From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk Sat May 1 16:52:26 2010 From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 16:52:26 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] MacBook or MBPro In-Reply-To: <4BD4361C.2070808@tomkershaw.com> References: <4BD4361C.2070808@tomkershaw.com> Message-ID: <3BCBB613-C036-4346-85C1-1270ECDB7529@themagic.me.uk> Thanks for the comments on the above. For quite a while the problem is deferred. Apple are exchanging my iMac for a new one so I am happy about that! Anthony From amlucas2003 at yahoo.co.uk Sat May 1 17:17:27 2010 From: amlucas2003 at yahoo.co.uk (Arthur Lucas) Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 17:17:27 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Printing problems Message-ID: This morning both my machine and my wife's would not printwirelessly to our Samsung laser printer as we have been doing for the last few years. Yesterday we had both applied security updates to our systems (mine 10.6.3, hers 10.5.8), so we thought it might have been that. However, my laptop (10.5.8) has not recently been updated, and it did not work either. Diagnostic steps taken: Connect laptop direct to ethernet printer port rather than via wireless to the BT Hub, thence by ethernet. Result: No connection with two different cables. Connect laptop via USB cable to printer Result: viable connection and printing. Connect Hub to printer by USB cable, although I didn't think that this is supposed to work as it is not a 'networkable' solution, and used laptop with its known working driver Result: "printer off line" message. I assume that this suggests that the trouble is within the printer's ethernet port or subsequent electronics. Any alternative diagnostic suggestions and / or solutions. I don't want to have to rearrange furniture to bring printer and computer close enough to use USB cable, as it inhibits easy printing form the other two machines. I did reinstall the gutenprint driver, 'just in case' but this, as expected, did not get a connection, although the printer 'paused', rather than reporting can't find printer at the saame stage in the previous installation. Arthur Lucas -- From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Sun May 2 09:05:00 2010 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 09:05:00 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] TV developments Message-ID: Hello All, There was recent discussion about HD TV etc. This site promises to keep you up to date. listadmin at filesaveas.co.uk From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Sun May 2 09:53:59 2010 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 09:53:59 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] finder Message-ID: Hi all On my macpro laptop the finder window opens on startup and cannot be closed! I find it annoying stuck in the middle of the screen. I have looked at all the prefs. etc but can't find out how to get rid of it, any ideas please? Martin From paul at durrant.co.uk Sun May 2 12:47:53 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 12:47:53 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] finder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7EF10888-14AB-4E49-9125-1249F7820348@durrant.co.uk> Sorry, I don't recognise the description. What do you mean by "the finder window"? regards, Paul On 2 May 2010, at 09:53, Martin Fry wrote: > On my macpro laptop the finder window opens on startup and cannot be > closed! I find it annoying stuck in the middle of the screen. From robharrington at mac.com Sun May 2 13:48:16 2010 From: robharrington at mac.com (Rob Harrington) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 13:48:16 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] TV developments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is that right - I mean the site address? RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob On 2 May 2010, at 09:05, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > Hello All, > > There was recent discussion about HD TV etc. > This site promises to keep you up to date. > > listadmin at filesaveas.co.uk > _______________________________________________ From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Sun May 2 14:35:19 2010 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 14:35:19 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] finder In-Reply-To: <7EF10888-14AB-4E49-9125-1249F7820348@durrant.co.uk> References: <7EF10888-14AB-4E49-9125-1249F7820348@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <02973C37-0F05-4D95-87C0-415403D81A31@virgin.net> hi Paul When you click on the finder in the dock, what I call the finder ' window / pop up window/ box' appears and I cannot close it. It just sits in the centre of the screen annoying me. If I try to move it it just duplicates itself and the 'original' still stays in the middle. martin > Sorry, I don't recognise the description. What do you mean by "the > finder window"? > > regards, > > Paul > > On 2 May 2010, at 09:53, Martin Fry wrote: >> On my macpro laptop the finder window opens on startup and cannot be >> closed! I find it annoying stuck in the middle of the screen. > From paul at durrant.co.uk Sun May 2 14:43:58 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 14:43:58 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] finder In-Reply-To: <02973C37-0F05-4D95-87C0-415403D81A31@virgin.net> References: <7EF10888-14AB-4E49-9125-1249F7820348@durrant.co.uk> <02973C37-0F05-4D95-87C0-415403D81A31@virgin.net> Message-ID: <3F9E9964-EA94-483E-B82F-A18E3EA2B432@durrant.co.uk> Hi Martin, I've still got no idea what you mean. Can you email me a screen shot (off-list, as attachements aren't allowed on the list). (Screen shot is command-option-3, and the image files appear on your Mac's desktop.) regards, Paul On 2 May 2010, at 14:35, Martin Fry wrote: > > When you click on the finder in the dock, what I call the finder ' > window / pop up window/ box' appears and I cannot close it. > > It just sits in the centre of the screen annoying me. > > If I try to move it it just duplicates itself and the 'original' still > stays in the middle. > >> Sorry, I don't recognise the description. What do you mean by "the >> finder window"? >> >> regards, >> >> Paul >> >> On 2 May 2010, at 09:53, Martin Fry wrote: >>> On my macpro laptop the finder window opens on startup and cannot be >>> closed! I find it annoying stuck in the middle of the screen. >> From penguinsplj at me.com Sun May 2 16:49:58 2010 From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman) Date: Sun, 02 May 2010 16:49:58 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] finder In-Reply-To: <3F9E9964-EA94-483E-B82F-A18E3EA2B432@durrant.co.uk> References: <7EF10888-14AB-4E49-9125-1249F7820348@durrant.co.uk> <02973C37-0F05-4D95-87C0-415403D81A31@virgin.net> <3F9E9964-EA94-483E-B82F-A18E3EA2B432@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: On May 2, 2010, at 14:43, Paul Durrant wrote: > I've still got no idea what you mean. Can you email me a screen shot > (off-list, as attachements aren't allowed on the list). Hopefully you will let us know the outcome Paul as I am sure there are several of us here who are intrigued to know what this "Finder" window is. Paul C From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Mon May 3 09:59:59 2010 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 09:59:59 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Notifying all contacts of ISP change Message-ID: <6DD35D83-BA06-4D7A-8832-C84317552072@virgin.net> Hello All, I'm expecting to change my ISP shortly. Can someone please tell me how to notify all my contacts using Bcc. I've found the option on my iPod Touch, but can't seem to find it on my iMac (Mail 4.2). Ken Arnoldi From karlhortt at me.com Mon May 3 10:17:32 2010 From: karlhortt at me.com (Karl Hortt) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 10:17:32 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Mac Mini for sale Message-ID: <242931F1-83F1-4EA4-8514-AE92D97B29E1@me.com> Hi all, I have an upgraded Mac Mini G4 for sale it is:- G4 1.25 processor 1 gig memory 60 gig hard drive Dvd, cd rewriter running Leopard like a dream !! ?100 can also supply LCD 15 inch screen, mighty mouse and Apple ali keyboard for extra these go for between ?125 and ?185 on ebay for the basic machine ! regards Karl From band1 at mac.com Mon May 3 10:21:36 2010 From: band1 at mac.com (David King) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 10:21:36 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Notifying all contacts of ISP change In-Reply-To: <6DD35D83-BA06-4D7A-8832-C84317552072@virgin.net> References: <6DD35D83-BA06-4D7A-8832-C84317552072@virgin.net> Message-ID: <47E64401-4A5A-4071-933C-4D89B7A94DCA@mac.com> With new mail pane showing, under view tick 'Bcc address field' this will add the line in under 'cc'. Then put addresses you want in there in normal way. David On 3 May 2010, at 09:59, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > Hello All, > > I'm expecting to change my ISP shortly. Can someone please tell me how to notify all my contacts using Bcc. > I've found the option on my iPod Touch, but can't seem to find it on my iMac (Mail 4.2). > > Ken Arnoldi > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Mon May 3 10:29:45 2010 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 10:29:45 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Notifying all contacts of ISP change In-Reply-To: <47E64401-4A5A-4071-933C-4D89B7A94DCA@mac.com> References: <6DD35D83-BA06-4D7A-8832-C84317552072@virgin.net> <47E64401-4A5A-4071-933C-4D89B7A94DCA@mac.com> Message-ID: Thanks for that David, but is there a way to select all contacts, rather than do them individually? Ken Arnoldi On 3 May 2010, at 10:21, David King wrote: > With new mail pane showing, under view tick 'Bcc address field' this will add the line in under 'cc'. Then put addresses you want in there in normal way. > > David > > > On 3 May 2010, at 09:59, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > >> Hello All, >> >> I'm expecting to change my ISP shortly. Can someone please tell me how to notify all my contacts using Bcc. >> I've found the option on my iPod Touch, but can't seem to find it on my iMac (Mail 4.2). >> >> Ken Arnoldi >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Mon May 3 10:30:49 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 10:30:49 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Notifying all contacts of ISP change In-Reply-To: <6DD35D83-BA06-4D7A-8832-C84317552072@virgin.net> References: <6DD35D83-BA06-4D7A-8832-C84317552072@virgin.net> Message-ID: <887386B4-DAE3-4B8B-BAAD-9282C972B13D@f2s.com> If you create a new group in AddressBook called, say, 'AllContacts", and drag all individual addresses into it, you can then create a new email, address it to yourself, place the cursor in the BCC field, click on the Address book in the Toolbar and choose that group. (If you don't have the BCC field showing by default, add it via the View Menu pulldown) Robbie On 3 May 2010, at 09:59, Ken Arnoldi wrote: Hello All, I'm expecting to change my ISP shortly. Can someone please tell me how to notify all my contacts using Bcc. I've found the option on my iPod Touch, but can't seem to find it on my iMac (Mail 4.2). Ken Arnoldi _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Robbie Murray 01603 620749 01603 516175 07882 007667 macman at f2s.com From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Mon May 3 11:04:59 2010 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 11:04:59 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Notifying all contacts of ISP change In-Reply-To: <887386B4-DAE3-4B8B-BAAD-9282C972B13D@f2s.com> References: <6DD35D83-BA06-4D7A-8832-C84317552072@virgin.net> <887386B4-DAE3-4B8B-BAAD-9282C972B13D@f2s.com> Message-ID: <7BE7D5BB-A2E4-44FE-9033-6327ACAC9CCF@virgin.net> Thanks Robbie, I've tried a 'dummy run' and it seems OK. Will await my change of ISP. Ken On 3 May 2010, at 10:30, Robbie Murray wrote: > If you create a new group in AddressBook called, say, 'AllContacts", > and drag all individual addresses into it, you can then create a new > email, address it to yourself, place the cursor in the BCC field, > click on the Address book in the Toolbar and choose that group. > > (If you don't have the BCC field showing by default, add it via the > View Menu pulldown) > > Robbie > > > > On 3 May 2010, at 09:59, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > > Hello All, > > I'm expecting to change my ISP shortly. Can someone please tell me how > to notify all my contacts using Bcc. > I've found the option on my iPod Touch, but can't seem to find it on > my iMac (Mail 4.2). > > Ken Arnoldi > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > Robbie Murray > 01603 620749 > 01603 516175 > 07882 007667 > macman at f2s.com > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From turrethouse at talktalk.net Mon May 3 11:56:12 2010 From: turrethouse at talktalk.net (Hugh Morgan) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 11:56:12 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] ?fetch Message-ID: I received a "multi-part message in MIME format" (photograhs I think) and after three paragraphs like this ------=_NextPart_001_0013_01CAE9E3.917C9770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit there is a final message:- "WARNING: The remainder of this 16M message has not been transferred. Turn on the "Fetch" button in the icon bar and check mail again to get the whole thing." I have no idea what a fetch button looks like and suspect I don't have one! In my Eudora settings "receive MIME digests as attachments" is checked and, under Encoding method, AppleDouble("MIME") is checked. I can't find any new attachments anywhere. Help please! Hugh Morgan From turrethouse at talktalk.net Mon May 3 12:26:23 2010 From: turrethouse at talktalk.net (Hugh Morgan) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 12:26:23 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] problem sorted! Message-ID: sorry about that - it was just the size - 4 x 4MB jpegs and I had my settings to refuse files over 10MB Hugh From macman at f2s.com Mon May 3 12:55:16 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 12:55:16 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Email Hosting: Any advice / Horror Stories? Message-ID: Paul's comment last week has prompted me to look at investing in a domain to give me the freedom to change ISP without losing email addresses. I have no desire for a website, and require only email hosting. There are a few come up on a search, and one or two, such as 123-reg, I have experience of, and wouldn't go near, but I'm looking at 1&1 and Rackspace which seem quite attractive. Both have some negative feedback, but it's hard to find any host without this. Does anyone have any experience of either or can recommend alternatives? Robbie From macman at f2s.com Mon May 3 12:59:32 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 12:59:32 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Notifying all contacts of ISP change In-Reply-To: <7BE7D5BB-A2E4-44FE-9033-6327ACAC9CCF@virgin.net> References: <6DD35D83-BA06-4D7A-8832-C84317552072@virgin.net> <887386B4-DAE3-4B8B-BAAD-9282C972B13D@f2s.com> <7BE7D5BB-A2E4-44FE-9033-6327ACAC9CCF@virgin.net> Message-ID: <4AFB84E7-382E-4495-9AF9-5EDFC04208B7@f2s.com> Another little tip Ken ... If you want to see the complete lists of addressees once you've added the group to the BCC field, you can choose the 'Expand Group' option by clicking on the group name. Robbie On 3 May 2010, at 11:04, Ken Arnoldi wrote: Thanks Robbie, I've tried a 'dummy run' and it seems OK. Will await my change of ISP. Ken From sc at davidviner.com Mon May 3 13:20:42 2010 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 13:20:42 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Email Hosting: Any advice / Horror Stories? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BDEBF9A.9000501@davidviner.com> Robbie Avoid FastHosts like the plague! They are b$%^&*y awful. Also avoid Positive-Internet (used to be ok-ish, but recently their service is rubbish) and Streamline (these may be part of FastHosts - they certainly use their servers). FastHosts merged with another company a few years ago (though both companies still retain their individual identities) - that company has a "one" in the name as well, though I can't remember exactly which one it is. If it's 1&1 (and I suspect it is) then avoid them as well! I use both Rackspace and PlugSocket (www.plugsocket.com) for hosting and email. Rackspace are not really into the domain name registration business (though they will do this for you if you have a web site) - they told me only a couple of days ago that they prefer you to use another company for the registration. I tend to use Rackspace for larger hosting requirements and PlugSocket for smaller ones. PlugSocket do domain name registration (which can do email forwarding) but I don't think they do email only without hosting. I did use Heart Internet (www.heartinternet.co.uk) for a while - not sure if they do email only accounts. They seemed reasonable enough - I moved away from them when I consolidated my own hosting with PlugSocket. David Robbie Murray wrote: > Paul's comment last week has prompted me to look at investing in a > domain to give me the freedom to change ISP without losing email > addresses. > > I have no desire for a website, and require only email hosting. There > are a few come up on a search, and one or two, such as 123-reg, I have > experience of, and wouldn't go near, but I'm looking at 1&1 and > Rackspace which seem quite attractive. Both have some negative > feedback, but it's hard to find any host without this. Does anyone > have any experience of either or can recommend alternatives? > > Robbie > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From simonroyal at live.co.uk Mon May 3 13:26:52 2010 From: simonroyal at live.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 13:26:52 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Email Hosting: Any advice / Horror Stories? Message-ID: Robbie If you are just after email and one that is not tied to your ISP, there are plenty of free alternatives. Since I ditched my domain I moved to Windows Live for an email address and it has been great. I also have a Yahoo and GMail email address. All of which I have found very reliable and all offer web access to your mail as well as POP access via a mail client. Simon --- http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - http://www.tinyurl.com/macspectrum (sent using Sony Ericsson P990i) From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Mon May 3 13:35:37 2010 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 13:35:37 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Notifying all contacts of ISP change In-Reply-To: <4AFB84E7-382E-4495-9AF9-5EDFC04208B7@f2s.com> References: <6DD35D83-BA06-4D7A-8832-C84317552072@virgin.net> <887386B4-DAE3-4B8B-BAAD-9282C972B13D@f2s.com> <7BE7D5BB-A2E4-44FE-9033-6327ACAC9CCF@virgin.net> <4AFB84E7-382E-4495-9AF9-5EDFC04208B7@f2s.com> Message-ID: <614914BC-EDC9-45CA-A33D-8B7FD148C62B@virgin.net> Robbie, Thanks again, that looks even better! Ken On 3 May 2010, at 12:59, Robbie Murray wrote: > Another little tip Ken ... > > If you want to see the complete lists of addressees once you've added > the group to the BCC field, you can choose the 'Expand Group' option > by clicking on the group name. > > Robbie > > > > > On 3 May 2010, at 11:04, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > > Thanks Robbie, > > I've tried a 'dummy run' and it seems OK. Will await my change of ISP. > > Ken > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Mon May 3 14:13:27 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 14:13:27 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Email Hosting: Any advice / Horror Stories? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you Simon, but I'm not looking for free alternatives. Whilst gmail is just about acceptable in the world of commerce, Hotmail and Yahoo addresses are most certainly not, and would destroy any credibility I may have built up over the years with customers and suppliers .... Robbie On 3 May 2010, at 13:26, Simon Royal wrote: Robbie If you are just after email and one that is not tied to your ISP, there are plenty of free alternatives. Since I ditched my domain I moved to Windows Live for an email address and it has been great. I also have a Yahoo and GMail email address. All of which I have found very reliable and all offer web access to your mail as well as POP access via a mail client. Simon From david at vanedwards.co.uk Mon May 3 14:39:37 2010 From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 14:39:37 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Email Hosting: Any advice / Horror Stories? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Robbie, Personally I've always used http://www.easily.co.uk they seem reliable and not expensive. Someone recently pointed me to http://www.domainmonster.com/ and they looked even cheaper. I suspect, but don't know, that the service you choose has to provide servers that re-direct your mail in real time, so it may be an issue that you ought to look for a company that has reliable servers that aren't easily overloaded or suffer from downtime. Best wishes, David >Paul's comment last week has prompted me to look at investing in a >domain to give me the freedom to change ISP without losing email >addresses. > >I have no desire for a website, and require only email hosting. There >are a few come up on a search, and one or two, such as 123-reg, I have >experience of, and wouldn't go near, but I'm looking at 1&1 and >Rackspace which seem quite attractive. Both have some negative >feedback, but it's hard to find any host without this. Does anyone >have any experience of either or can recommend alternatives? > >Robbie > > >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com Mon May 3 14:48:29 2010 From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (2003r2tech at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 14:48:29 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Email Hosting: Any advice / Horror Stories? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can a hosting address from any hosting company and assign that a gmail/googlemail account which will then use the address that you have bought. Simon Bainbridge On 3 May 2010, at 14:13, Robbie Murray wrote: > Thank you Simon, but I'm not looking for free alternatives. Whilst > gmail is just about acceptable in the world of commerce, Hotmail and > Yahoo addresses are most certainly not, and would destroy any > credibility I may have built up over the years with customers and > suppliers .... > > Robbie > > > > On 3 May 2010, at 13:26, Simon Royal wrote: > > Robbie > > If you are just after email and one that is not tied to your ISP, > there are plenty of free alternatives. > > Since I ditched my domain I moved to Windows Live for an email address > and it has been great. > > I also have a Yahoo and GMail email address. > > All of which I have found very reliable and all offer web access to > your mail as well as POP access via a mail client. > > Simon > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net Mon May 3 14:48:51 2010 From: Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net (Jeremy Webb) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 14:48:51 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Email Hosting: Any advice / Horror Stories? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi David & Robbie My webmaster Jack Webb-Heller also recommends domainmaster.com too... he's very good you know Jeremy Webb http://www.jeremywebbphotography.com On 3 May 2010, at 14:39, David Van Edwards wrote: > Dear Robbie, > > Personally I've always used http://www.easily.co.uk they seem > reliable and not expensive. > > Someone recently pointed me to http://www.domainmonster.com/ and they > looked even cheaper. > > I suspect, but don't know, that the service you choose has to provide > servers that re-direct your mail in real time, so it may be an issue > that you ought to look for a company that has reliable servers that > aren't easily overloaded or suffer from downtime. > > Best wishes, > > David > > >> Paul's comment last week has prompted me to look at investing in a >> domain to give me the freedom to change ISP without losing email >> addresses. >> >> I have no desire for a website, and require only email hosting. >> There >> are a few come up on a search, and one or two, such as 123-reg, I >> have >> experience of, and wouldn't go near, but I'm looking at 1&1 and >> Rackspace which seem quite attractive. Both have some negative >> feedback, but it's hard to find any host without this. Does anyone >> have any experience of either or can recommend alternatives? >> >> Robbie >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ >> listinfo/nmug > > > -- > The Smokehouse, > 6 Whitwell Road, > Norwich, NR1 4HB > England. > > Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 > Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Mon May 3 15:40:13 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 15:40:13 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] finder In-Reply-To: <02973C37-0F05-4D95-87C0-415403D81A31@virgin.net> References: <7EF10888-14AB-4E49-9125-1249F7820348@durrant.co.uk> <02973C37-0F05-4D95-87C0-415403D81A31@virgin.net> Message-ID: The Window troubling Martin is a Finder Window - i.e. an ordinary finder window the shows disks, files, folders, etc. This particular window is a view of his computer - showing the hard disks and the network icon. But it doesn't seem to want to come to the front to be closed. And it's now duplicated itself so many times that it's 'shadow' shows solid black (overlapping shadows). I've suggested a couple of things to try, but if anyone's come across a finder window that won't be closed, or has any suggestions of things to try, I'm sure Martin would appreciate them. Very peculiar - I've not come across this problem before. regards, Paul On 2 May 2010, at 14:35, Martin Fry wrote: > > When you click on the finder in the dock, what I call the finder ' > window / pop up window/ box' appears and I cannot close it. > > It just sits in the centre of the screen annoying me. > > If I try to move it it just duplicates itself and the 'original' still > stays in the middle. > >> Sorry, I don't recognise the description. What do you mean by "the >> finder window"? >> >> regards, >> >> Paul >> >> On 2 May 2010, at 09:53, Martin Fry wrote: >>> On my macpro laptop the finder window opens on startup and cannot be >>> closed! I find it annoying stuck in the middle of the screen. >> > ge your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From h.tamplin at btinternet.com Mon May 3 15:46:56 2010 From: h.tamplin at btinternet.com (Heather Tamplin) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 15:46:56 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] finder In-Reply-To: References: <7EF10888-14AB-4E49-9125-1249F7820348@durrant.co.uk> <02973C37-0F05-4D95-87C0-415403D81A31@virgin.net> Message-ID: <6A195548-18CB-442C-92F8-C385A0E3F916@btinternet.com> Found this while having a trawl http://www.justanswer.com/questions/26r0t-when-i-boot-up-my-macbook-pro-two-finder-windows-come-up similar problem but goes into finder prefs and how to change/delete prefs file Heather On 3 May 2010, at 15:40, Paul Durrant wrote: > The Window troubling Martin is a Finder Window - i.e. an ordinary > finder window the shows disks, files, folders, etc. > > This particular window is a view of his computer - showing the hard > disks and the network icon. But it doesn't seem to want to come to the > front to be closed. And it's now duplicated itself so many times that > it's 'shadow' shows solid black (overlapping shadows). > > I've suggested a couple of things to try, but if anyone's come across > a finder window that won't be closed, or has any suggestions of things > to try, I'm sure Martin would appreciate them. > > Very peculiar - I've not come across this problem before. > > regards, > > Paul > > On 2 May 2010, at 14:35, Martin Fry wrote: >> >> When you click on the finder in the dock, what I call the finder ' >> window / pop up window/ box' appears and I cannot close it. >> >> It just sits in the centre of the screen annoying me. >> >> If I try to move it it just duplicates itself and the 'original' >> still >> stays in the middle. >> >>> Sorry, I don't recognise the description. What do you mean by "the >>> finder window"? >>> >>> regards, >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> On 2 May 2010, at 09:53, Martin Fry wrote: >>>> On my macpro laptop the finder window opens on startup and cannot >>>> be >>>> closed! I find it annoying stuck in the middle of the screen. >>> >> ge your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Heather Tamplin www.heathertamplin.co.uk From sc at davidviner.com Mon May 3 15:49:10 2010 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 15:49:10 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] finder In-Reply-To: References: <7EF10888-14AB-4E49-9125-1249F7820348@durrant.co.uk> <02973C37-0F05-4D95-87C0-415403D81A31@virgin.net> Message-ID: <4BDEE266.5030606@davidviner.com> No, not seen this. However, something possible related seems to be happening here: http://forums.macnn.com/90/mac-os-x/226108/close-finder-window-restart/ and here: http://www.mac-forums.com/forums/os-x-operating-system/108149-copy-file-failed-finder-window-doesnt-close.html There's no answers to the latter and the former is rather old so may not be at relevant any more :( though it does contain a couple of suggestions to try. David Paul Durrant wrote: > The Window troubling Martin is a Finder Window - i.e. an ordinary > finder window the shows disks, files, folders, etc. > > This particular window is a view of his computer - showing the hard > disks and the network icon. But it doesn't seem to want to come to the > front to be closed. And it's now duplicated itself so many times that > it's 'shadow' shows solid black (overlapping shadows). > > I've suggested a couple of things to try, but if anyone's come across > a finder window that won't be closed, or has any suggestions of things > to try, I'm sure Martin would appreciate them. > > Very peculiar - I've not come across this problem before. > > regards, > > Paul > > On 2 May 2010, at 14:35, Martin Fry wrote: > >> When you click on the finder in the dock, what I call the finder ' >> window / pop up window/ box' appears and I cannot close it. >> >> It just sits in the centre of the screen annoying me. >> >> If I try to move it it just duplicates itself and the 'original' still >> stays in the middle. >> >> >>> Sorry, I don't recognise the description. What do you mean by "the >>> finder window"? >>> >>> regards, >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> On 2 May 2010, at 09:53, Martin Fry wrote: >>> >>>> On my macpro laptop the finder window opens on startup and cannot be >>>> closed! I find it annoying stuck in the middle of the screen. >>>> >> ge your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From paul at durrant.co.uk Mon May 3 16:29:15 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 16:29:15 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] finder In-Reply-To: References: <7EF10888-14AB-4E49-9125-1249F7820348@durrant.co.uk> <02973C37-0F05-4D95-87C0-415403D81A31@virgin.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the suggestions. They all seem to suggest it's a Finder preference problem, which seems to make sense. So deleting the finder prefs would probably have done the trick. But as it is, one of my suggestions to Martin worked: He opened a new Finder window (which brought up a properly-behaving Finder window), and then option-closed it (well, alt-closed it -- option == alt). Option-closing a Finder windows closes all Finder windows, and it did indeed close the mis-behaving finder window(s), which haven't re-appeared. regards, Paul On 3 May 2010, at 15:40, Paul Durrant wrote: > The Window troubling Martin is a Finder Window - i.e. an ordinary > finder window the shows disks, files, folders, etc. > > This particular window is a view of his computer - showing the hard > disks and the network icon. But it doesn't seem to want to come to the > front to be closed. And it's now duplicated itself so many times that > it's 'shadow' shows solid black (overlapping shadows). > > I've suggested a couple of things to try, but if anyone's come across > a finder window that won't be closed, or has any suggestions of things > to try, I'm sure Martin would appreciate them. > > Very peculiar - I've not come across this problem before. > > regards, > > Paul > > On 2 May 2010, at 14:35, Martin Fry wrote: >> >> When you click on the finder in the dock, what I call the finder ' >> window / pop up window/ box' appears and I cannot close it. >> >> It just sits in the centre of the screen annoying me. >> >> If I try to move it it just duplicates itself and the 'original' >> still >> stays in the middle. >> >>> Sorry, I don't recognise the description. What do you mean by "the >>> finder window"? >>> >>> regards, >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> On 2 May 2010, at 09:53, Martin Fry wrote: >>>> On my macpro laptop the finder window opens on startup and cannot >>>> be >>>> closed! I find it annoying stuck in the middle of the screen. >>> >> ge your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk Mon May 3 17:40:22 2010 From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 17:40:22 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Email Hosting: Any advice / Horror Stories? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Robbie We have also always used easily.co.uk - no problems. Phyll On 3 May 2010, at 14:39, David Van Edwards wrote: > Dear Robbie, > > Personally I've always used http://www.easily.co.uk they seem > reliable and not expensive. > > > Best wishes, > > David > From rrandlesome at mac.com Mon May 3 17:48:03 2010 From: rrandlesome at mac.com (Richard Randlesome) Date: Mon, 03 May 2010 17:48:03 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Email Hosting: Any advice / Horror Stories? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Robbie, I to have used easily.co.uk for many years, no problems and reasonable too. Richard On 3 May 2010, at 17:40, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: > Dear Robbie > > We have also always used easily.co.uk - no problems. > > Phyll > > On 3 May 2010, at 14:39, David Van Edwards wrote: > >> Dear Robbie, >> >> Personally I've always used http://www.easily.co.uk they seem >> reliable and not expensive. >> >> >> Best wishes, >> >> David >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug From email at johnstephens.me.uk Mon May 3 18:45:09 2010 From: email at johnstephens.me.uk (John Stephens) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 18:45:09 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Problem upgrade to Snow Leopard - Airport Message-ID: <12728D8A-DA86-4DD0-B8DD-D9011A259DF4@johnstephens.me.uk> Hello! I've recently upgraded my Macbook from Leopard to Snow Leopard. Everything seems to work fine except that I can no longer get online using Airport. Using Network Diagnostics I can see that AirPort is working, Airport settings are functional, Network Settings are fine and the ISP light is also green. However, the Internet light and the Server light show as failed, and therefore red. My main office iMac still connects wirelessly, and I can't see anything wrong with the settings. I've restarted everything, modem, router, the whole works. I'm stuck - Help??! Many thanks John Stephens From yahooist at anyisle.com Mon May 3 19:20:16 2010 From: yahooist at anyisle.com (Neil S.) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 19:20:16 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Email Hosting: Any advice / Horror Stories? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Robbie, I have used ClaraNet for my domain hosting for many years. They give me 10 email addresses, of which I have only ever used two, but unlimited aliases which I use to front my email, create publicly accessible group email addresses, and specific email addresses for specific uses (ie yahooist at anyisle.com). I use their web space as well for blogging content. I like them. They used to be a customer of a customer. They are probably not the cheapest but for ?30 a year I get what I want. Regards... Neil -- Neil Stevens Sent from my ? iMac G5 On 3 May 2010, at 12:55, Robbie Murray wrote: > Paul's comment last week has prompted me to look at investing in a > domain to give me the freedom to change ISP without losing email > addresses. > > I have no desire for a website, and require only email hosting. There > are a few come up on a search, and one or two, such as 123-reg, I have > experience of, and wouldn't go near, but I'm looking at 1&1 and > Rackspace which seem quite attractive. Both have some negative > feedback, but it's hard to find any host without this. Does anyone > have any experience of either or can recommend alternatives? > > Robbie > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From yahooist at anyisle.com Mon May 3 19:21:32 2010 From: yahooist at anyisle.com (Neil S.) Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 19:21:32 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Email Hosting: Any advice / Horror Stories? with Link In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42AAD55A-BCF4-4803-B406-9905005569D0@anyisle.com> Hi Robbie, I have used ClaraNet for my domain hosting for many years. They give me 10 email addresses, of which I have only ever used two, but unlimited aliases which I use to front my email, create publicly accessible group email addresses, and specific email addresses for specific uses (ie yahooist at anyisle.com). I use their web space as well for blogging content. I like them. They used to be a customer of a customer. They are probably not the cheapest but for ?30 a year I get what I want. http://www.claranet.co.uk/hosting/shared-web-hosting Regards... Neil -- Neil Stevens Sent from my ? iMac G5 On 3 May 2010, at 12:55, Robbie Murray wrote: > Paul's comment last week has prompted me to look at investing in a > domain to give me the freedom to change ISP without losing email > addresses. > > I have no desire for a website, and require only email hosting. There > are a few come up on a search, and one or two, such as 123-reg, I have > experience of, and wouldn't go near, but I'm looking at 1&1 and > Rackspace which seem quite attractive. Both have some negative > feedback, but it's hard to find any host without this. Does anyone > have any experience of either or can recommend alternatives? > > Robbie > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From jill at 2js.org Tue May 4 07:51:17 2010 From: jill at 2js.org (Jill Searle) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 07:51:17 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Security Message-ID: <9177D037-F9DC-49E1-A4C5-5BB347F08355@2js.org> Is Filevault the best answer? I only have a macbookpro now as offsprings/offsprings 'borrowed' my imac so ! would like to secure my home folder in case of loss/theft while travelling. I have Time Machine & SuperDuper backups. Filevault seems the obvious choice, is this the best way of proceeding? There are so many scare stories on line about problems with it. Jill Searle From paul at durrant.co.uk Tue May 4 08:54:35 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 08:54:35 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Security In-Reply-To: <9177D037-F9DC-49E1-A4C5-5BB347F08355@2js.org> References: <9177D037-F9DC-49E1-A4C5-5BB347F08355@2js.org> Message-ID: The only way to secure files against someone in physical possession of your hard disks is by encryption. FileVault is certainly one way of doing this. The main horror stories I've heard are from people who've forgotten their FileVault password - a certain way to lose data! Any problems after 2008 seem to be user error - people just not understanding what FileVault is. FileVault converts your entire home folder into an encrypted disk image. You can't safely back-up that disk image while it's mounted, so you can't do a Carbon Copy Cloner or SuperDuper! backup while logged in as a user with FileVault enabled. Note that by using FileVault, by default the files in your home folder will not be backup up by TimeMachine individually - instead, when you log out (or restart/shutdown), your entire home folder encrypted disk image will get backup up. This ensures that your encrypted files aren't backup up unencrypted. It is possible to change this, so that your files do get backed up individually, although them they'll be backup up in *unencypted* version. This might be what you want if you're only worried about loss of the laptop when away from home. regards, Paul On 4 May 2010, at 07:51, Jill Searle wrote: > Is Filevault the best answer? > I only have a macbookpro now as offsprings/offsprings 'borrowed' my > imac so ! would like to secure my home folder in case of loss/theft > while travelling. I have Time Machine & SuperDuper backups. > Filevault seems the obvious choice, is this the best way of > proceeding? There are so many scare stories on line about problems > with it. > > Jill Searle > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From macman at f2s.com Tue May 4 15:30:37 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 15:30:37 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Email Hosting: Any advice / Horror Stories? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks to all who responded - looks like easily.co.uk is easily the winner! Robbie From karlhortt at me.com Tue May 4 16:11:35 2010 From: karlhortt at me.com (Karl Hortt) Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 16:11:35 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Ipod Touch for sale Message-ID: Hi All, I have for sale my daughters Ipod touch she does not use it and would rather have the money !! it is an 8 gig model and she bought it one month ago from Argos it also has a white hard case it has normal fine scratches on the screen ?100 cash anyone interested ? regards Karl From jill at 2js.org Tue May 4 16:42:58 2010 From: jill at 2js.org (Jill Searle) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 16:42:58 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] security Message-ID: <2421C572-B633-4A99-BE03-730A55769ED8@2js.org> Thanks Paul Is there an option to encrypt for travel & to disable/discard at home in filevault or in anything else as that would be the answer for me, You are right in that I am only really concerned about travelling particularly in a motorhome as it does get left every day & it is not the most secure vehicle on the road. Remembering a master password is not a problem as I do use one known to my son who has to sort out all problems if I go under a bus - or even have a real senior moment! Jill From paul at durrant.co.uk Tue May 4 16:50:51 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 16:50:51 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] security In-Reply-To: <2421C572-B633-4A99-BE03-730A55769ED8@2js.org> References: <2421C572-B633-4A99-BE03-730A55769ED8@2js.org> Message-ID: It is possible to undo filevault - if you have enough free space on your hard drive. But I don't see any real advantage to enabling/ disabling it. If there's info you must protect on the laptop, I think FaileVault is probably what you want. Alternatives include who-disk encryption like PGP-DISK, but they don't seem very interested in consumer use at the moment, or creating your own encrypted disk images (Using Disk Utility) that you use only for your more sensitive documents. Just be sure not to save their password in your Keychain! regards, Paul On 4 May 2010, at 16:42, Jill Searle wrote: > Thanks Paul > Is there an option to encrypt for travel & to disable/discard at > home in filevault or in anything else as that would be the answer > for me, > > You are right in that I am only really concerned about travelling > particularly in a motorhome as it does get left every day & it is > not the most secure vehicle on the road. > > Remembering a master password is not a problem as I do use one known > to my son who has to sort out all problems if I go under a bus - or > even have a real senior moment! From ferrers_young at hotmail.com Tue May 4 17:24:57 2010 From: ferrers_young at hotmail.com (Ferrers Young) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 16:24:57 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] security In-Reply-To: References: <2421C572-B633-4A99-BE03-730A55769ED8@2js.org>, Message-ID: An alternative approach, would be to keep the sensitive data that you need to be portable, on a USB pendrive, rather than on the internal drive, then you could keep it with you at all times. I suggest that it is also kept secure at home too. I seem to remember seeing a Verbatim 4Gb pendrive with encryption that was Mac compatible, but I do not recognise it on the Verbatim site. Ferrers > From: paul at durrant.co.uk > To: nmug at nmug.org.uk > Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 16:50:51 +0100 > Subject: Re: [NMUG] security > > It is possible to undo filevault - if you have enough free space on > your hard drive. But I don't see any real advantage to enabling/ > disabling it. > > If there's info you must protect on the laptop, I think FaileVault is > probably what you want. > > Alternatives include who-disk encryption like PGP-DISK, but they don't > seem very interested in consumer use at the moment, or creating your > own encrypted disk images (Using Disk Utility) that you use only for > your more sensitive documents. Just be sure not to save their password > in your Keychain! > > regards, > > Paul > > On 4 May 2010, at 16:42, Jill Searle wrote: > > > Thanks Paul > > Is there an option to encrypt for travel & to disable/discard at > > home in filevault or in anything else as that would be the answer > > for me, > > > > You are right in that I am only really concerned about travelling > > particularly in a motorhome as it does get left every day & it is > > not the most secure vehicle on the road. > > > > Remembering a master password is not a problem as I do use one known > > to my son who has to sort out all problems if I go under a bus - or > > even have a real senior moment! > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Tue May 4 18:08:06 2010 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 18:08:06 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] security In-Reply-To: References: <2421C572-B633-4A99-BE03-730A55769ED8@2js.org>, Message-ID: <5084E63D-F001-440C-839D-C961311D2C23@virgin.net> You can also make a disk image (using Disk Utility) and encrypt it. This is useful if you don't want all your file/folders encrypted. Instructions may be found in Disk Utilities 'Help'. Ken Arnoldi On 4 May 2010, at 17:24, Ferrers Young wrote: > > An alternative approach, would be to keep the sensitive data that you need to be portable, on a USB pendrive, rather than on the internal drive, then you could keep it with you at all times. I suggest that it is also kept secure at home too. I seem to remember seeing a Verbatim 4Gb pendrive with encryption that was Mac compatible, but I do not recognise it on the Verbatim site. > > Ferrers > >> From: paul at durrant.co.uk >> To: nmug at nmug.org.uk >> Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 16:50:51 +0100 >> Subject: Re: [NMUG] security >> >> It is possible to undo filevault - if you have enough free space on >> your hard drive. But I don't see any real advantage to enabling/ >> disabling it. >> >> If there's info you must protect on the laptop, I think FaileVault is >> probably what you want. >> >> Alternatives include who-disk encryption like PGP-DISK, but they don't >> seem very interested in consumer use at the moment, or creating your >> own encrypted disk images (Using Disk Utility) that you use only for >> your more sensitive documents. Just be sure not to save their password >> in your Keychain! >> >> regards, >> >> Paul >> >> On 4 May 2010, at 16:42, Jill Searle wrote: >> >>> Thanks Paul >>> Is there an option to encrypt for travel & to disable/discard at >>> home in filevault or in anything else as that would be the answer >>> for me, >>> >>> You are right in that I am only really concerned about travelling >>> particularly in a motorhome as it does get left every day & it is >>> not the most secure vehicle on the road. >>> >>> Remembering a master password is not a problem as I do use one known >>> to my son who has to sort out all problems if I go under a bus - or >>> even have a real senior moment! >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ > We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com Tue May 4 18:37:37 2010 From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (2003r2tech at googlemail.com) Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 18:37:37 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] security In-Reply-To: <2421C572-B633-4A99-BE03-730A55769ED8@2js.org> References: <2421C572-B633-4A99-BE03-730A55769ED8@2js.org> Message-ID: <7F02F06C-A4BA-4E1A-A867-FFCD8FF36700@googlemail.com> Jill You may want to look at 'PGP Encryption for Mac' as this does whole disk encryption on your entire Mac hard drive. You can still use create backups while using this encryption software. Regards Simon Bainbridge On 4 May 2010, at 16:42, Jill Searle wrote: > Thanks Paul > Is there an option to encrypt for travel & to disable/discard at > home in filevault or in anything else as that would be the answer > for me, > > You are right in that I am only really concerned about travelling > particularly in a motorhome as it does get left every day & it is > not the most secure vehicle on the road. > > Remembering a master password is not a problem as I do use one known > to my son who has to sort out all problems if I go under a bus - or > even have a real senior moment! > Jill > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From robharrington at mac.com Wed May 5 10:12:10 2010 From: robharrington at mac.com (Rob Harrington) Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 10:12:10 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] keyboard In-Reply-To: References: <2421C572-B633-4A99-BE03-730A55769ED8@2js.org> Message-ID: <5A7F9E11-6386-4884-9EA3-410D0E493654@mac.com> Anyone recommend a reasonably priced small keyboard - without the number panel to the right - that works with 10.4.11? Too much to ask for a built-in track ball...... Rob Harrington From paul at durrant.co.uk Wed May 5 11:15:35 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 11:15:35 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] keyboard In-Reply-To: <5A7F9E11-6386-4884-9EA3-410D0E493654@mac.com> References: <2421C572-B633-4A99-BE03-730A55769ED8@2js.org> <5A7F9E11-6386-4884-9EA3-410D0E493654@mac.com> Message-ID: On 5 May 2010, at 10:12, Rob Harrington wrote: > Anyone recommend a reasonably priced small keyboard - without the > number panel to the right - that works with 10.4.11? > Too much to ask for a built-in track ball...... I suppose it depends on what you call "reasonably priced". I'd recommend the Apple wired small keyboard myself: http://store.apple.com/uk/product/MB869B/A But perhaps you're looking to spend less than ?29. Or there's the bluetooth version, of course, but that's ?56. regards, Paul From robharrington at mac.com Wed May 5 11:29:42 2010 From: robharrington at mac.com (Rob Harrington) Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 11:29:42 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] keyboard In-Reply-To: References: <2421C572-B633-4A99-BE03-730A55769ED8@2js.org> <5A7F9E11-6386-4884-9EA3-410D0E493654@mac.com> Message-ID: >> >> Nice , but it runs 10.5 and I'm 10.4.11 ...... RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob > > > I suppose it depends on what you call "reasonably priced". I'd > recommend the Apple wired small keyboard myself: > > http://store.apple.com/uk/product/MB869B/A > > But perhaps you're looking to spend less than ?29. > > Or there's the bluetooth version, of course, but that's ?56. > > regards, > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Wed May 5 11:50:49 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 11:50:49 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] keyboard In-Reply-To: References: <2421C572-B633-4A99-BE03-730A55769ED8@2js.org> <5A7F9E11-6386-4884-9EA3-410D0E493654@mac.com> Message-ID: <651FF440-A3EE-4317-81A8-A350ECCAFFD5@durrant.co.uk> On 5 May 2010, at 11:29, Rob Harrington wrote: > Nice , but it runs 10.5 and I'm 10.4.11 ...... > Hmm... it does say that, doesn't it? How odd. It can only have something to do with the function keys, I suppose. It never occurred to me to check for system version compatibility with a keyboard! regards, Paul From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com Wed May 5 12:29:41 2010 From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 12:29:41 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] keyboard In-Reply-To: <651FF440-A3EE-4317-81A8-A350ECCAFFD5@durrant.co.uk> References: <2421C572-B633-4A99-BE03-730A55769ED8@2js.org> <5A7F9E11-6386-4884-9EA3-410D0E493654@mac.com> <651FF440-A3EE-4317-81A8-A350ECCAFFD5@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: I have one of those little keyboards running on Tiger. The main difference is the function keys ? in the fact that the volume controls do not correspond under Tiger. Haven't found any other problem however. All the Expose functions seem to work. Ruth On 5 May 2010, at 11:50, Paul Durrant wrote: > > On 5 May 2010, at 11:29, Rob Harrington wrote: > >> Nice , but it runs 10.5 and I'm 10.4.11 ...... >> > > > Hmm... it does say that, doesn't it? How odd. It can only have > something to do with the function keys, I suppose. > > It never occurred to me to check for system version compatibility with > a keyboard! > > regards, > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug > Ruth Murray ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com Ruth Murray Graphic Design and Illustration 01603 632334 Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net From robharrington at mac.com Wed May 5 15:04:02 2010 From: robharrington at mac.com (Rob Harrington) Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 15:04:02 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] keyboard In-Reply-To: References: <2421C572-B633-4A99-BE03-730A55769ED8@2js.org> <5A7F9E11-6386-4884-9EA3-410D0E493654@mac.com> <651FF440-A3EE-4317-81A8-A350ECCAFFD5@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <3F2F5D71-C271-4518-85D4-C55695DF653D@mac.com> Thanks for that, Ruth- I do use the volume controls quite a lot. Maybe there is a work -around for it. RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob On 5 May 2010, at 12:29, Ruth Murray wrote: > I have one of those little keyboards running on Tiger. The main > difference is the function keys ? in the fact that the volume > controls do not correspond under Tiger. Haven't found any other > problem however. All the Expose functions seem to work. > > Ruth > From macman at f2s.com Wed May 5 15:25:57 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 15:25:57 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] keyboard In-Reply-To: <3F2F5D71-C271-4518-85D4-C55695DF653D@mac.com> References: <2421C572-B633-4A99-BE03-730A55769ED8@2js.org> <5A7F9E11-6386-4884-9EA3-410D0E493654@mac.com> <651FF440-A3EE-4317-81A8-A350ECCAFFD5@durrant.co.uk> <3F2F5D71-C271-4518-85D4-C55695DF653D@mac.com> Message-ID: <17769441-FF99-4729-A8DE-0A1404E3EFC9@f2s.com> You can always adjust the volume in the menu bar .... or is that 10.5 only? I doubt it, but it's amazing how quickly I forget previous OS revs I recently booted up my daughter's powerbook 180 running System 7 - a real blast from the past, but amazingly quick & clean! I love my aluminium keyboard, and would sacrifice just about anything to keep it. Robbie On 5 May 2010, at 15:04, Rob Harrington wrote: Thanks for that, Ruth- I do use the volume controls quite a lot. Maybe there is a work -around for it. RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob On 5 May 2010, at 12:29, Ruth Murray wrote: > I have one of those little keyboards running on Tiger. The main > difference is the function keys ? in the fact that the volume > controls do not correspond under Tiger. Haven't found any other > problem however. All the Expose functions seem to work. > > Ruth > _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Robbie Murray 01603 620749 01603 516175 07882 007667 macman at f2s.com From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com Wed May 5 15:40:15 2010 From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 15:40:15 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] keyboard In-Reply-To: <17769441-FF99-4729-A8DE-0A1404E3EFC9@f2s.com> References: <2421C572-B633-4A99-BE03-730A55769ED8@2js.org> <5A7F9E11-6386-4884-9EA3-410D0E493654@mac.com> <651FF440-A3EE-4317-81A8-A350ECCAFFD5@durrant.co.uk> <3F2F5D71-C271-4518-85D4-C55695DF653D@mac.com> <17769441-FF99-4729-A8DE-0A1404E3EFC9@f2s.com> Message-ID: Love the little keyboard, and as I work the small hours a lot it is also very quiet to use. The volume controls are along the top in the OS as usual. I just wish there was a way to quickly mute if needed. Ruth On 5 May 2010, at 15:25, Robbie Murray wrote: > You can always adjust the volume in the menu bar .... or is that 10.5 > only? I doubt it, but it's amazing how quickly I forget previous > OS revs > > I recently booted up my daughter's powerbook 180 running System 7 - a > real blast from the past, but amazingly quick & clean! > > I love my aluminium keyboard, and would sacrifice just about anything > to keep it. > > Robbie > > > > > > > On 5 May 2010, at 15:04, Rob Harrington wrote: > > Thanks for that, Ruth- I do use the volume controls quite a lot. > Maybe there is a work -around for it. > RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob > > > On 5 May 2010, at 12:29, Ruth Murray wrote: > >> I have one of those little keyboards running on Tiger. The main >> difference is the function keys ? in the fact that the volume >> controls do not correspond under Tiger. Haven't found any other >> problem however. All the Expose functions seem to work. >> >> Ruth >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug > > > Robbie Murray > 01603 620749 > 01603 516175 > 07882 007667 > macman at f2s.com > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug > Ruth Murray ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com Ruth Murray Graphic Design and Illustration 01603 632334 Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net From ernienmug at f2s.com Thu May 6 06:48:37 2010 From: ernienmug at f2s.com (Ernie Ives) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 06:48:37 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] MacSpeech recognition Message-ID: <2E077DF8-9594-4DD9-A55A-4D2CC4685ADE@f2s.com> Ernie Ives Marquetarian and microscopist Morning All Have any of you tried/used MacSpeech? /www.macspeech.com/index.php?ref=20033 Can you just speak to your Mac and it creates a text file? From the little I've read, it would appear you need to create an audio file first with etc spoken when you need punctuation. Probably in US English too. Are there any other speech recognition programmes that members have tried and found to work? I still get lengthy handwritten documents for magazine inclusion and not being a great typist, such a programme would be a great help. Best wishes Ernie From karlhortt at me.com Thu May 6 06:59:00 2010 From: karlhortt at me.com (Karl Hortt) Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 06:59:00 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] MacSpeech recognition In-Reply-To: <2E077DF8-9594-4DD9-A55A-4D2CC4685ADE@f2s.com> References: <2E077DF8-9594-4DD9-A55A-4D2CC4685ADE@f2s.com> Message-ID: <8C65DD97-8B28-410E-BCD8-213026F60C9B@me.com> Hi Ernie, I have used this program for the last 3 years !! it has changed the work I work !!! it is brilliant !! when buying the program, you need to order a mic and headphones My wife is in private practise as an OT, she writes her reports, or dictates them on a portable digital machine, i listen to this on the headphones, then at the same time speech it into the microphone I then dictate them into Word with Macspeech it is about 98-99% accurate ! correcting mistakes is also very easy, as it offers suggestions, were you just choose a numbered option and it makes the correction. You can also easily add your own words to the dictionary it is one of the programs that I can say is easily worth every penny regards Karl On 6 May 2010, at 06:48, Ernie Ives wrote: > Ernie Ives Marquetarian and microscopist > > Morning All > > Have any of you tried/used MacSpeech? /www.macspeech.com/index.php?ref=20033 > > Can you just speak to your Mac and it creates a text file? From the little I've read, it would appear you need to create an audio file first with etc spoken when you need punctuation. Probably in US English too. > > Are there any other speech recognition programmes that members have tried and found to work? I still get lengthy handwritten documents for magazine inclusion and not being a great typist, such a programme would be a great help. > > Best wishes > Ernie > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ernienmug at f2s.com Thu May 6 09:08:37 2010 From: ernienmug at f2s.com (Ernie Ives) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 09:08:37 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] MacSpeech recognition In-Reply-To: <8C65DD97-8B28-410E-BCD8-213026F60C9B@me.com> References: <2E077DF8-9594-4DD9-A55A-4D2CC4685ADE@f2s.com> <8C65DD97-8B28-410E-BCD8-213026F60C9B@me.com> Message-ID: <6A66C9D6-24CC-4FFA-8AAE-8EAAD64C2C90@f2s.com> Ernie Ives Marquetarian and microscopist Thanks Karl, I'll certainly look into it further. Best wishes Ernie On 6 May 2010, at 06:59, Karl Hortt wrote: Hi Ernie, I have used this program for the last 3 years !! it has changed the work I work !!! it is brilliant !! when buying the program, you need to order a mic and headphones My wife is in private practise as an OT, she writes her reports, or dictates them on a portable digital machine, i listen to this on the headphones, then at the same time speech it into the microphone I then dictate them into Word with Macspeech it is about 98-99% accurate ! correcting mistakes is also very easy, as it offers suggestions, were you just choose a numbered option and it makes the correction. You can also easily add your own words to the dictionary it is one of the programs that I can say is easily worth every penny regards Karl On 6 May 2010, at 06:48, Ernie Ives wrote: > Ernie Ives Marquetarian and microscopist > > Morning All > > Have any of you tried/used MacSpeech? /www.macspeech.com/index.php?ref=20033 > > Can you just speak to your Mac and it creates a text file? From the little I've read, it would appear you need to create an audio file first with etc spoken when you need punctuation. Probably in US English too. > > Are there any other speech recognition programmes that members have tried and found to work? I still get lengthy handwritten documents for magazine inclusion and not being a great typist, such a programme would be a great help. > > Best wishes > Ernie > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Thu May 6 16:21:45 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 16:21:45 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Free to a good home .... (Central Norwich) Message-ID: <5D13271C-723E-4529-98D2-A83647933694@f2s.com> Go Live 4 "Classroom in a Book" Go Live 6 User Guide - Adobe Go Live 6 - Dunning / Knox / Becker (QUE) Go Live 6 - "Real World". Carlson / Fleishman (Peachpit) A wealth of information, or ideal chocks for your private jet. Any takers before I Freegle them? Robbie From macman at f2s.com Fri May 7 13:14:46 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 13:14:46 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: Thank you for buying iTunes Gift Certificate! References: <000d01caedbf$4b7b7900$6400a8c0@kermith92> Message-ID: <57E94D45-BA4A-4239-9FEB-61D48459D57E@f2s.com> This is a bit naughty methinks .... Anyone else had one? Never come across it before. Included an apparent zip file called "iTunes_certificate_797.zip" Don't imagine it would cause any trouble on a Mac even if the attachment was opened, but pretty dangerous on a PC! Robbie Begin forwarded message: From: "Your iTunes Store" Date: 7 May 2010 10:28:39 BST To: Subject: Thank you for buying iTunes Gift Certificate! Hello! You have received an iTunes Gift Certificate in the amount of $50.00 You can find your certificate code in attachment below. Then you need to open iTunes. Once you verify your account, $50.00 will be credited to your account, so you can start buying music, games, video right away. iTunes Store. From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk Fri May 7 13:42:33 2010 From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 13:42:33 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: Thank you for buying iTunes Gift Certificate! In-Reply-To: <57E94D45-BA4A-4239-9FEB-61D48459D57E@f2s.com> References: <000d01caedbf$4b7b7900$6400a8c0@kermith92> <57E94D45-BA4A-4239-9FEB-61D48459D57E@f2s.com> Message-ID: I received one for each of two e-m addresses so promptly put both in trash. Anthony On 7 May 2010, at 13:14, Robbie Murray wrote: > This is a bit naughty methinks .... Anyone else had one? > > Never come across it before. Included an apparent zip file called > "iTunes_certificate_797.zip" > > Don't imagine it would cause any trouble on a Mac even if the > attachment was opened, but pretty dangerous on a PC! > > Robbie > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > From: "Your iTunes Store" > Date: 7 May 2010 10:28:39 BST > To: > Subject: Thank you for buying iTunes Gift Certificate! > > Hello! > > You have received an iTunes Gift Certificate in the amount of $50.00 > You can find your certificate code in attachment below. > > Then you need to open iTunes. Once you verify your account, $50.00 > will be credited to your account, so you can start buying music, > games, video right away. > > > iTunes Store. > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com Fri May 7 15:42:54 2010 From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 15:42:54 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] MacSpeech recognition In-Reply-To: <6A66C9D6-24CC-4FFA-8AAE-8EAAD64C2C90@f2s.com> References: <2E077DF8-9594-4DD9-A55A-4D2CC4685ADE@f2s.com> <8C65DD97-8B28-410E-BCD8-213026F60C9B@me.com> <6A66C9D6-24CC-4FFA-8AAE-8EAAD64C2C90@f2s.com> Message-ID: <341BBF0A-2885-47D1-9CB0-D8525946D688@ruthmurray.f2s.com> I was very interested in what was said about MacSpeech. Mainly so I can dictate my father's memoirs. Until I saw the price! Anyone know of any cheaper alternatives? Ruth On 6 May 2010, at 09:08, Ernie Ives wrote: > > Ernie Ives Marquetarian and microscopist > > Thanks Karl, I'll certainly look into it further. > > Best wishes > Ernie > > > > > On 6 May 2010, at 06:59, Karl Hortt wrote: > > > Hi Ernie, > > > I have used this program for the last 3 years !! > > it has changed the work I work !!! > > it is brilliant !! > > when buying the program, you need to order a mic and headphones > > My wife is in private practise as an OT, she writes her reports, or > dictates them on a portable digital machine, i listen to this on > the headphones, then at the same time speech it into the microphone > > I then dictate them into Word with Macspeech > > it is about 98-99% accurate ! > > correcting mistakes is also very easy, as it offers suggestions, > were you just choose a numbered option and it makes the correction. > > You can also easily add your own words to the dictionary > > it is one of the programs that I can say is easily worth every penny > > regards > > Karl > > > > On 6 May 2010, at 06:48, Ernie Ives wrote: > >> Ernie Ives Marquetarian and microscopist >> >> Morning All >> >> Have any of you tried/used MacSpeech? /www.macspeech.com/index.php? >> ref=20033 >> >> Can you just speak to your Mac and it creates a text file? From >> the little I've read, it would appear you need to create an audio >> file first with etc spoken when you need punctuation. >> Probably in US English too. >> >> Are there any other speech recognition programmes that members >> have tried and found to work? I still get lengthy handwritten >> documents for magazine inclusion and not being a great typist, >> such a programme would be a great help. >> >> Best wishes >> Ernie >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ >> listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug > Ruth Murray ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com Ruth Murray Graphic Design and Illustration 01603 632334 Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Fri May 7 15:54:47 2010 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 15:54:47 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] MacSpeech recognition In-Reply-To: <341BBF0A-2885-47D1-9CB0-D8525946D688@ruthmurray.f2s.com> References: <2E077DF8-9594-4DD9-A55A-4D2CC4685ADE@f2s.com> <8C65DD97-8B28-410E-BCD8-213026F60C9B@me.com> <6A66C9D6-24CC-4FFA-8AAE-8EAAD64C2C90@f2s.com> <341BBF0A-2885-47D1-9CB0-D8525946D688@ruthmurray.f2s.com> Message-ID: <124F3E01-1C0D-4102-BE8D-F0EB68D38636@virgin.net> Only for PCs! Ken Arnoldi On 7 May 2010, at 15:42, Ruth Murray wrote: > I was very interested in what was said about MacSpeech. Mainly so I > can dictate my father's memoirs. > > Until I saw the price! > > Anyone know of any cheaper alternatives? > > Ruth > > > > On 6 May 2010, at 09:08, Ernie Ives wrote: > >> >> Ernie Ives Marquetarian and microscopist >> >> Thanks Karl, I'll certainly look into it further. >> >> Best wishes >> Ernie >> >> >> >> >> On 6 May 2010, at 06:59, Karl Hortt wrote: >> >> >> Hi Ernie, >> >> >> I have used this program for the last 3 years !! >> >> it has changed the work I work !!! >> >> it is brilliant !! >> >> when buying the program, you need to order a mic and headphones >> >> My wife is in private practise as an OT, she writes her reports, or >> dictates them on a portable digital machine, i listen to this on >> the headphones, then at the same time speech it into the microphone >> >> I then dictate them into Word with Macspeech >> >> it is about 98-99% accurate ! >> >> correcting mistakes is also very easy, as it offers suggestions, >> were you just choose a numbered option and it makes the correction. >> >> You can also easily add your own words to the dictionary >> >> it is one of the programs that I can say is easily worth every penny >> >> regards >> >> Karl >> >> >> >> On 6 May 2010, at 06:48, Ernie Ives wrote: >> >>> Ernie Ives Marquetarian and microscopist >>> >>> Morning All >>> >>> Have any of you tried/used MacSpeech? /www.macspeech.com/index.php? >>> ref=20033 >>> >>> Can you just speak to your Mac and it creates a text file? From >>> the little I've read, it would appear you need to create an audio >>> file first with etc spoken when you need punctuation. >>> Probably in US English too. >>> >>> Are there any other speech recognition programmes that members >>> have tried and found to work? I still get lengthy handwritten >>> documents for magazine inclusion and not being a great typist, >>> such a programme would be a great help. >>> >>> Best wishes >>> Ernie >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ >>> listinfo/nmug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ >> listinfo/nmug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ >> listinfo/nmug >> > > Ruth Murray > ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com > > Ruth Murray > Graphic Design and Illustration > 01603 632334 > > Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From michelehurst at mac.com Fri May 7 18:57:40 2010 From: michelehurst at mac.com (Michele Hurst) Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 18:57:40 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] facebook app gone wrong Message-ID: Hi all my iphone app suddenly stopped loading the live feed page. works perfectly ok through safari but not on the app. tried all usual things, uninstalled, reinstalled, switched off etc. then googled it and general answer seemed to be to log in on laptop through firefox and looked for funny symbols on postings. well tried that but did not see anything out of the ordinary. Its soooooo frustrating. does anyone have any ideas or perhaps can explain it better in case I still havent got it right. Thanks Michele From swimwire at googlemail.com Fri May 7 20:08:08 2010 From: swimwire at googlemail.com (Jack Webb-Heller) Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 20:08:08 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] facebook app gone wrong In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9D96C412-6475-4A81-B3AB-F67D5CCC0736@googlemail.com> Just tried on my iPod Touch and not seeing any errors. What specifically is wrong? Does it give an error message? Are there any aesthetical differences? Jack On 7 May 2010, at 18:57, Michele Hurst wrote: > Hi all > my iphone app suddenly stopped loading the live feed page. works perfectly ok through safari but not on the app. tried all usual things, uninstalled, reinstalled, switched off etc. then googled it and general answer seemed to be to log in on laptop through firefox and looked for funny symbols on postings. well tried that but did not see anything out of the ordinary. Its soooooo frustrating. does anyone have any ideas or perhaps can explain it better in case I still havent got it right. > Thanks > Michele > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Jack Webb-Heller personal: jack at jackwebbheller.com general: swimwire at googlemail.com http://jackwebbheller.com From ferrers_young at hotmail.com Sat May 8 12:34:04 2010 From: ferrers_young at hotmail.com (Ferrers Young) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 11:34:04 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: Thank you for buying iTunes Gift Certificate! In-Reply-To: References: <000d01caedbf$4b7b7900$6400a8c0@kermith92>, <57E94D45-BA4A-4239-9FEB-61D48459D57E@f2s.com>, Message-ID: Yes, it appears to be a Trojan for the Windows environment. I found this Korean page translated by google: http://tinyurl.com/3256hkr that describes it nicely. (URL was 313 characters, hence tinyurl) Ferrers > From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk > Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 13:42:33 +0100 > To: nmug at nmug.org.uk > Subject: Re: [NMUG] Fwd: Thank you for buying iTunes Gift Certificate! > > I received one for each of two e-m addresses so promptly put both in trash. > Anthony > > On 7 May 2010, at 13:14, Robbie Murray wrote: > > > This is a bit naughty methinks .... Anyone else had one? > > > > Never come across it before. Included an apparent zip file called > > "iTunes_certificate_797.zip" > > > > Don't imagine it would cause any trouble on a Mac even if the > > attachment was opened, but pretty dangerous on a PC! > > > > Robbie > > > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > From: "Your iTunes Store" > > Date: 7 May 2010 10:28:39 BST > > To: > > Subject: Thank you for buying iTunes Gift Certificate! > > > > Hello! > > > > You have received an iTunes Gift Certificate in the amount of $50.00 > > You can find your certificate code in attachment below. > > > > Then you need to open iTunes. Once you verify your account, $50.00 > > will be credited to your account, so you can start buying music, > > games, video right away. > > > > > > iTunes Store. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ From simonroyal at live.co.uk Sat May 8 17:36:56 2010 From: simonroyal at live.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 17:36:56 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Cheap Broadband Message-ID: Hi I know you get what you pay for, but I need to cut my phone and broadband costs. BT are not cheap and to be fair not that great. Can anyone recommend a cheap phone and broadband provider. I would need a free router with it and preferrably anytime landline calls. Simon --- http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - http://www.tinyurl.com/macspectrum (sent using Sony Ericsson P990i) From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Sat May 8 17:55:59 2010 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 17:55:59 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Cheap Broadband In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7C11690E-5B35-4B19-A065-0B14074A142F@virgin.net> I've just signed up with TalkTalk. It's a 18 month contract and the prices seem good (with router). I don't go 'live' until 17 May, so I've not yet had experience of their service, but there are 30 days to cancel after that date if not satisfied. Ken Arnoldi On 8 May 2010, at 17:36, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi > > I know you get what you pay for, but I need to cut my phone and broadband costs. > > BT are not cheap and to be fair not that great. > > Can anyone recommend a cheap phone and broadband provider. > > I would need a free router with it and preferrably anytime landline calls. > > Simon > > --- http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - http://www.tinyurl.com/macspectrum (sent using Sony Ericsson P990i) > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From simonroyal at live.co.uk Sat May 8 18:27:08 2010 From: simonroyal at live.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 18:27:08 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Cheap Broadband Message-ID: Ken I was with Tiscali, who didnt provide a bad service but did suffer from a lot of outages, some for days at a time. Tiscali have just been taken over / bought out by Talk Talk. I did look at them as they do offer very cheap broadband. Simon --- http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - http://www.tinyurl.com/macspectrum (sent using Sony Ericsson P990i) From jinshinjewels at googlemail.com Sun May 9 09:41:10 2010 From: jinshinjewels at googlemail.com (Jules Slaughter) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 09:41:10 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Cheap Broadband In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I changed to TalkTalk in Jan after not very good experience with BT and as a 'novice' with computers, I don't want anything challenging! So far it has been brilliant except I have had 2 half days, practically, without a phone line. Don 't know why but they have fixed it quickly and didn't need it reporting - when I rang they had an automated response saying there was a fault and it would take 4 hours approx to fix and it was fixed within that time. Cheers Jules On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Simon Royal wrote: > Ken > > I was with Tiscali, who didnt provide a bad service but did suffer from a > lot of outages, some for days at a time. > > Tiscali have just been taken over / bought out by Talk Talk. I did look at > them as they do offer very cheap broadband. > > Simon > > --- http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - http://www.tinyurl.com/macspectrum(sent using Sony Ericsson P990i) > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- Jules CalmClasses & Therapies to improve your health. My business works on referrals. If you like what I do, please tell others. If not, please tell me. From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk Sun May 9 10:28:29 2010 From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 10:28:29 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Restoring Old B/W Photos Message-ID: I have just scanned 200 old black and white prints dating back to 1910 which I have been granted temporary permission to hold while I scan them. They are all taken from glass plates and are in varying condition. I have scanned them at 1200 dpi and saved as 16 bit tiffs. I intend keeping the originals scanned without alteration as a baseline. Damage varies from physical, edges, creases, emulsion damage, fading to horror of horrors, the silver leaching out leaving that horrible patina. Anyone had experience of restoring such items. These are pretty special, being of early UK and US aviators including the Wright brothers, as well as period aeroplanes. Steven Jefferson steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk From Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net Sun May 9 10:38:09 2010 From: Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net (Jeremy Webb) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 10:38:09 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Restoring Old B/W Photos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2A481F25-A7BE-4D97-B0ED-880359B98595@virgin.net> Hi Steve Wow! You've really got your work cut out. I'm afraid it's all down to a lot of blood, sweat and tears in Photoshop. Others may use different apps, but there's no getting around the fact that you'll have to treat each one individually. All the best Jeremy Webb http://jeremywebbphotography.com/digitalrestorationbeforeafter.php On 9 May 2010, at 10:28, Steven Jefferson wrote: > I have just scanned 200 old black and white prints dating back to > 1910 which I have been granted temporary permission to hold while I > scan them. > > They are all taken from glass plates and are in varying condition. > > I have scanned them at 1200 dpi and saved as 16 bit tiffs. I intend > keeping the originals scanned without alteration as a baseline. > > Damage varies from physical, edges, creases, emulsion damage, > fading to horror of horrors, the silver leaching out leaving that > horrible patina. > > Anyone had experience of restoring such items. > > These are pretty special, being of early UK and US aviators > including the Wright brothers, as well as period aeroplanes. > > Steven Jefferson > steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Sun May 9 10:48:37 2010 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 10:48:37 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Restoring Old B/W Photos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0F8C294E-868E-44C2-ABD2-89EB39538063@virgin.net> Hi steve Hours of fun! ( I don't think! ) Turn them black & white in Photoshop first to remove any bad staining colour. Boosting the contrast may also help, then it's tons of careful cloning. Good luck Martin > I have just scanned 200 old black and white prints dating back to > 1910 which I have been granted temporary permission to hold while I > scan them. > > They are all taken from glass plates and are in varying condition. > > I have scanned them at 1200 dpi and saved as 16 bit tiffs. I intend > keeping the originals scanned without alteration as a baseline. > > Damage varies from physical, edges, creases, emulsion damage, fading > to horror of horrors, the silver leaching out leaving that horrible > patina. > > Anyone had experience of restoring such items. > > These are pretty special, being of early UK and US aviators > including the Wright brothers, as well as period aeroplanes. > > Steven Jefferson > steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk > Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com From paul at durrant.co.uk Sun May 9 11:46:53 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 11:46:53 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Restoring Old B/W Photos In-Reply-To: <0F8C294E-868E-44C2-ABD2-89EB39538063@virgin.net> References: <0F8C294E-868E-44C2-ABD2-89EB39538063@virgin.net> Message-ID: <9A15E143-2625-430A-9BC3-AB1839A947EC@durrant.co.uk> On 9 May 2010, at 10:48, Martin Fry wrote: > Hours of fun! ( I don't think! ) > > Turn them black & white in Photoshop first to remove any bad staining > colour. Boosting the contrast may also help, then it's tons of > careful cloning. I'm reluctant to contradict Martin (seeing as he does photography for a living) but I wouldn't convert to B&W until the very last stage. The colour information can give useful help in working out what's actual image and what's damage or dust. regards, Paul From simonroyal at live.co.uk Sun May 9 12:34:56 2010 From: simonroyal at live.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 12:34:56 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Restoring Old B/W Photos Message-ID: Paul I have to agree with you. Converting to grayscale would be my last task. Seperate colour channels can provide a lot of useful information. Simon --- http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - http://www.tinyurl.com/macspectrum (sent using Sony Ericsson P990i) From h.tamplin at btinternet.com Sun May 9 13:41:40 2010 From: h.tamplin at btinternet.com (Heather Tamplin) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 13:41:40 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Restoring Old B/W Photos In-Reply-To: <9A15E143-2625-430A-9BC3-AB1839A947EC@durrant.co.uk> References: <0F8C294E-868E-44C2-ABD2-89EB39538063@virgin.net> <9A15E143-2625-430A-9BC3-AB1839A947EC@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <8D429117-D73A-478C-ABA5-F197F7AEDA58@btinternet.com> the best way is to always work on a duplicate image leaving your original in tact - just in case. and best of both worlds too with one colour and one black and white Heather On 9 May 2010, at 11:46, Paul Durrant wrote: > > On 9 May 2010, at 10:48, Martin Fry wrote: >> Hours of fun! ( I don't think! ) >> >> Turn them black & white in Photoshop first to remove any bad staining >> colour. Boosting the contrast may also help, then it's tons of >> careful cloning. > > I'm reluctant to contradict Martin (seeing as he does photography for > a living) but I wouldn't convert to B&W until the very last stage. The > colour information can give useful help in working out what's actual > image and what's damage or dust. > > regards, > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Heather Tamplin www.heathertamplin.co.uk From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk Sun May 9 15:12:39 2010 From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson) Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 15:12:39 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Restoring Old B/W Photos In-Reply-To: <8D429117-D73A-478C-ABA5-F197F7AEDA58@btinternet.com> References: <0F8C294E-868E-44C2-ABD2-89EB39538063@virgin.net> <9A15E143-2625-430A-9BC3-AB1839A947EC@durrant.co.uk> <8D429117-D73A-478C-ABA5-F197F7AEDA58@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <6CD3F919-87AE-4A63-89E5-6AEB717B0628@zen.co.uk> Thanks for this. This is what I'm thinking using the different colour channels to see if I can get rid of the sheen/staining etc. All images carefully backed up on two separate drives. I'm hoping to use Aperture and non destructive imaging as much as possible. Don't want to mess with the original scans. One of my late friends did that. Had to do a lot of rescanning.... Steven Jefferson steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk On 9 May 2010, at 13:41, Heather Tamplin wrote: > the best way is to always work on a duplicate image > leaving your original in tact - just in case. > and best of both worlds too with one colour and one black and white > > Heather > On 9 May 2010, at 11:46, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> >> On 9 May 2010, at 10:48, Martin Fry wrote: >>> Hours of fun! ( I don't think! ) >>> >>> Turn them black & white in Photoshop first to remove any bad staining >>> colour. Boosting the contrast may also help, then it's tons of >>> careful cloning. >> >> I'm reluctant to contradict Martin (seeing as he does photography for >> a living) but I wouldn't convert to B&W until the very last stage. The >> colour information can give useful help in working out what's actual >> image and what's damage or dust. >> >> regards, >> >> Paul >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > Heather Tamplin > www.heathertamplin.co.uk > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From sc at davidviner.com Sun May 9 12:08:53 2010 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Sun, 09 May 2010 12:08:53 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Restoring Old B/W Photos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BE697C5.4030507@davidviner.com> Hi Steven I'd agree with the other comments here. You need a lot of persistence and patience, and also need to experiment with different techniques to see which is best for each type of damage. I've managed to do what is probably a reasonable job on some old photos rescued from my grandmother's house - the house (and most of the road in Welling, South East London) was demolished by a V2 rocket near the end of WWII (which unfortunately killed my grandmother as well). Here's a before/after example of my mother and her younger sister posing in a studio photograph from around 1927 - the donkey was real but the background was painted! The box on the floor between the donkey's legs apparently showed the photograph number - 6320 in this case. Here's part of the original scan showing the number and some of the damage. David Steven Jefferson wrote: > I have just scanned 200 old black and white prints dating back to 1910 which I have been granted temporary permission to hold while I scan them. > > They are all taken from glass plates and are in varying condition. > > I have scanned them at 1200 dpi and saved as 16 bit tiffs. I intend keeping the originals scanned without alteration as a baseline. > > Damage varies from physical, edges, creases, emulsion damage, fading to horror of horrors, the silver leaching out leaving that horrible patina. > > Anyone had experience of restoring such items. > > These are pretty special, being of early UK and US aviators including the Wright brothers, as well as period aeroplanes. > > Steven Jefferson > steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From paul at durrant.co.uk Mon May 10 08:22:04 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 08:22:04 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Restoring Old B/W Photos In-Reply-To: <4BE697C5.4030507@davidviner.com> References: <4BE697C5.4030507@davidviner.com> Message-ID: <2CEC7558-832E-4C95-95ED-5B7D00CC0CDB@durrant.co.uk> On 9 May 2010, at 12:08, David Viner wrote: > The box on the floor between the donkey's legs apparently showed the > photograph number - 6320 in this case. Here's part of the original > scan > showing the number and some of the damage. Sorry, I don't allow attachments on the list - they get stripped automatically. If you have some web space, you could post the images there and send links to the list. regards, Paul From sc at davidviner.com Mon May 10 09:43:09 2010 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 09:43:09 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Restoring Old B/W Photos In-Reply-To: <4BE697C5.4030507@davidviner.com> References: <4BE697C5.4030507@davidviner.com> Message-ID: <4BE7C71D.2000508@davidviner.com> Hmm, obviously attachments don't work on this mailing list!!! If anyone is interested in the images I tried to post then I will upload them somewhere you can all get at! David David Viner wrote: > Hi Steven > > I'd agree with the other comments here. You need a lot of persistence > and patience, and also need to experiment with different techniques to > see which is best for each type of damage. I've managed to do what is > probably a reasonable job on some old photos rescued from my > grandmother's house - the house (and most of the road in Welling, South > East London) was demolished by a V2 rocket near the end of WWII (which > unfortunately killed my grandmother as well). Here's a before/after > example of my mother and her younger sister posing in a studio > photograph from around 1927 - the donkey was real but the background was > painted! > > > > The box on the floor between the donkey's legs apparently showed the > photograph number - 6320 in this case. Here's part of the original scan > showing the number and some of the damage. > > > > > David > > > Steven Jefferson wrote: > >> I have just scanned 200 old black and white prints dating back to 1910 which I have been granted temporary permission to hold while I scan them. >> >> They are all taken from glass plates and are in varying condition. >> >> I have scanned them at 1200 dpi and saved as 16 bit tiffs. I intend keeping the originals scanned without alteration as a baseline. >> >> Damage varies from physical, edges, creases, emulsion damage, fading to horror of horrors, the silver leaching out leaving that horrible patina. >> >> Anyone had experience of restoring such items. >> >> These are pretty special, being of early UK and US aviators including the Wright brothers, as well as period aeroplanes. >> >> Steven Jefferson >> steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From penguinsplj at me.com Mon May 10 09:58:49 2010 From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 09:58:49 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Restoring Old B/W Photos In-Reply-To: <4BE7C71D.2000508@davidviner.com> References: <4BE697C5.4030507@davidviner.com> <4BE7C71D.2000508@davidviner.com> Message-ID: On May 10, 2010, at 09:43, David Viner wrote: > Hmm, obviously attachments don't work on this mailing list!!! If > anyone > is interested in the images I tried to post then I will upload them > somewhere you can all get at! I think we would like to see these photos. If you don't have an obvious place to upload them then feel free to send them to me and I will do it for you and post the link. Paul C From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com Mon May 10 10:17:16 2010 From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (2003r2tech at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 10:17:16 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Restoring Old B/W Photos In-Reply-To: <4BE7C71D.2000508@davidviner.com> References: <4BE697C5.4030507@davidviner.com> <4BE7C71D.2000508@davidviner.com> Message-ID: If you would like an easy way to post messages with attachments to a group of people. Setup a Twitter account and send your messages (tweets) with #nmug included. Then everybody could search for #nmug tag in their favourite Twitter client see these messages. Simon Bainbridge On 10 May 2010, at 09:43, David Viner wrote: > Hmm, obviously attachments don't work on this mailing list!!! If > anyone > is interested in the images I tried to post then I will upload them > somewhere you can all get at! > > David > > > David Viner wrote: >> Hi Steven >> >> I'd agree with the other comments here. You need a lot of persistence >> and patience, and also need to experiment with different techniques >> to >> see which is best for each type of damage. I've managed to do what is >> probably a reasonable job on some old photos rescued from my >> grandmother's house - the house (and most of the road in Welling, >> South >> East London) was demolished by a V2 rocket near the end of WWII >> (which >> unfortunately killed my grandmother as well). Here's a before/after >> example of my mother and her younger sister posing in a studio >> photograph from around 1927 - the donkey was real but the >> background was >> painted! >> >> >> >> The box on the floor between the donkey's legs apparently showed the >> photograph number - 6320 in this case. Here's part of the original >> scan >> showing the number and some of the damage. >> >> >> >> >> David >> >> >> Steven Jefferson wrote: >> >>> I have just scanned 200 old black and white prints dating back to >>> 1910 which I have been granted temporary permission to hold while >>> I scan them. >>> >>> They are all taken from glass plates and are in varying condition. >>> >>> I have scanned them at 1200 dpi and saved as 16 bit tiffs. I >>> intend keeping the originals scanned without alteration as a >>> baseline. >>> >>> Damage varies from physical, edges, creases, emulsion damage, >>> fading to horror of horrors, the silver leaching out leaving that >>> horrible patina. >>> >>> Anyone had experience of restoring such items. >>> >>> These are pretty special, being of early UK and US aviators >>> including the Wright brothers, as well as period aeroplanes. >>> >>> Steven Jefferson >>> steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From sc at davidviner.com Mon May 10 10:44:19 2010 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 10:44:19 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Restoring Old B/W Photos In-Reply-To: References: <4BE697C5.4030507@davidviner.com> <4BE7C71D.2000508@davidviner.com> Message-ID: <4BE7D573.8060101@davidviner.com> Those images can be found here: http://www.davidviner.com/nmug/photo1.jpg and http://www.davidviner.com/nmug/photo2.jpg Photo 1: This shows a before/after example of my mother and her younger sister posing in a studio photograph from around 1927 - the donkey was real but the background was painted! The original photo (along with others) was rescued from my grandmother's house - the house (and most of the road in Welling, South East London) was demolished by a V2 rocket near the end of WWII (which unfortunately killed my grandmother as well). Photo 2: The box on the floor between the donkey's legs apparently showed the photograph number - 6320 in this case. This shows part of the original scan showing the number and some of the damage. Regards David Paul Chapman wrote: > On May 10, 2010, at 09:43, David Viner wrote: > > >> Hmm, obviously attachments don't work on this mailing list!!! If >> anyone >> is interested in the images I tried to post then I will upload them >> somewhere you can all get at! >> > > I think we would like to see these photos. If you don't have an > obvious place to upload them then feel free to send them to me and I > will do it for you and post the link. > > Paul C > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From penguinsplj at me.com Mon May 10 11:17:06 2010 From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 11:17:06 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iPad Message-ID: <0BE25A9B-8801-4375-ACD9-8FCB52B0000C@me.com> So the iPad will start from ?429. In the US it starts at $499 but there is tax to add onto that, who's going for it? Paul C From alanbarber at mac.com Mon May 10 12:24:11 2010 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 12:24:11 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iPad In-Reply-To: <0BE25A9B-8801-4375-ACD9-8FCB52B0000C@me.com> References: <0BE25A9B-8801-4375-ACD9-8FCB52B0000C@me.com> Message-ID: <44F19B29-4DAE-4CF0-903B-D9E8223121C4@mac.com> Not me Regards Alan On 10 May 2010, at 11:17, Paul Chapman wrote: > So the iPad will start from ?429. In the US it starts at $499 but > there is tax to add onto that, who's going for it? > > Paul C > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ricnev at mac.com Mon May 10 12:42:30 2010 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 12:42:30 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iPad In-Reply-To: <0BE25A9B-8801-4375-ACD9-8FCB52B0000C@me.com> References: <0BE25A9B-8801-4375-ACD9-8FCB52B0000C@me.com> Message-ID: <8E5BC80F-0641-4DB8-8F67-D8C3F187FE22@mac.com> I always wait for a product to mature a bit before deciding whether to buy. In this case, I am happy to wait a year or so to see if the bits people say are missing from the iPad = brilliant equation appear in an iPadG2 product. Richard. On 10 May 2010, at 11:17, Paul Chapman wrote: > So the iPad will start from ?429. In the US it starts at $499 but > there is tax to add onto that, who's going for it? > > Paul C > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Mon May 10 13:02:51 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 13:02:51 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iPad In-Reply-To: <0BE25A9B-8801-4375-ACD9-8FCB52B0000C@me.com> References: <0BE25A9B-8801-4375-ACD9-8FCB52B0000C@me.com> Message-ID: <3E7EC8A3-F7C7-47A3-9FF5-DC3D5B4579A0@f2s.com> I'd love one, but common sense and wallet rule .... Ho hum .. On 10 May 2010, at 11:17, Paul Chapman wrote: So the iPad will start from ?429. In the US it starts at $499 but there is tax to add onto that, who's going for it? Paul C _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Robbie Murray 01603 620749 01603 516175 07882 007667 macman at f2s.com From karlhortt at me.com Mon May 10 14:51:15 2010 From: karlhortt at me.com (Karl Hortt) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 14:51:15 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iPad In-Reply-To: <3E7EC8A3-F7C7-47A3-9FF5-DC3D5B4579A0@f2s.com> References: <0BE25A9B-8801-4375-ACD9-8FCB52B0000C@me.com> <3E7EC8A3-F7C7-47A3-9FF5-DC3D5B4579A0@f2s.com> Message-ID: I'd love one, but what would I really use it for ? I have Iphone and Ipod touch already But wouldn't it be nice.......... I'm like a small child when Apple brings out new shiny things !!! want one now !!!!!! Karl On 10 May 2010, at 13:02, Robbie Murray wrote: > I'd love one, but common sense and wallet rule .... > > Ho hum .. > > > On 10 May 2010, at 11:17, Paul Chapman wrote: > > So the iPad will start from ?429. In the US it starts at $499 but > there is tax to add onto that, who's going for it? > > Paul C > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > Robbie Murray > 01603 620749 > 01603 516175 > 07882 007667 > macman at f2s.com > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From simonroyal at live.co.uk Mon May 10 16:13:27 2010 From: simonroyal at live.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 16:13:27 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iBook Charge Light Message-ID: Hi I have a fully working iBook G3 500Mhz (touch wood) with an original Apple iBook charger and the different colour for charging/charged etc work fine. I have a second iBook G3 500Mhz - which I got from Karl - runs off the charger no problems but it shows no lights on this charger. Also in the menu bar the battery icon has a charger plug in it and not the lightning flash. Does this mean the battery is completely dead? Normally you get a cross in the battery icon if the battery is not detected. Pressing the button on the battery did flash some lights earlier, but now it doesn't even seem to be doing that. Simon Royal --- Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - LowEndMac: http://tinyurl.com/macspectrum - Skype: Simon-Royal. --- IBM ThinkPad 600 running Xubuntu 10.04 & Apple iBook G3 running OSX 10.4. _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com Mon May 10 17:42:28 2010 From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (2003r2tech at googlemail.com) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 17:42:28 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iPad In-Reply-To: <0BE25A9B-8801-4375-ACD9-8FCB52B0000C@me.com> References: <0BE25A9B-8801-4375-ACD9-8FCB52B0000C@me.com> Message-ID: <301B56EA-0E5D-4363-9584-6F6B53107A88@googlemail.com> Not me I'll be waiting for 2nd gen version of the iPad. Apples 2nd gen versions of products are so much better. Simon Bainbridge On 10 May 2010, at 11:17, Paul Chapman wrote: > So the iPad will start from ?429. In the US it starts at $499 but > there is tax to add onto that, who's going for it? > > Paul C > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Mon May 10 20:00:11 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 20:00:11 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Ancient PowerMac free to good home. References: Message-ID: <7CCF7CB0-A332-4407-8C91-0EBC5A07152B@durrant.co.uk> Hi All, Peter James is involved in a charity that re-homes unwanted computers. But an ancient PowerMac 7100/66 is just a bit too old to be useful for the charity's purposes. If anyone would like it, please contact Peter directly ? mailto:interjay2 at btinternet.com regards, Paul Begin forwarded message: > From: "Peter James" > Date: 10 May 2010 18:53:19 BST > To: > Subject: Questions Regarding The NMUG > Reply-To: "Peter James" > > Hi Paul, > I have been given a MAC , it's a Power PC 7100/66AX and comes with > Apple Keyboard and Mouse. I can supply a Monitor as well. > When I have been given Mac's in the past, I have not had that much > luck in finding homes for them. > That being so, would you know of anyone wanting this machine . As > usual, there is no charge. > Thanks and regards > Peter Jame > Recycle PC > http://recycle-pc.co.uk/index.html From bazyoungs at mac.com Mon May 10 20:09:58 2010 From: bazyoungs at mac.com (Barry Youngs) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 20:09:58 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Restoring Old B/W Photos In-Reply-To: <4BE7D573.8060101@davidviner.com> References: <4BE697C5.4030507@davidviner.com> <4BE7C71D.2000508@davidviner.com> <4BE7D573.8060101@davidviner.com> Message-ID: <19615366-4B69-4339-9226-89C758CB2939@mac.com> David, they are great. How long did it take you to enhance? I have tried to do some of my own pictures (using Photoshop) without too much success although passable. I need to learn how to use Photoshop properly but it's getting the time and inclination to do so. My problem is that I get distracted too easily and go off on tangents! Anyway, good job, well done. Barry On 10 May 2010, at 10:44, David Viner wrote: > Those images can be found here: > http://www.davidviner.com/nmug/photo1.jpg > and > http://www.davidviner.com/nmug/photo2.jpg Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity. From simonroyal at live.co.uk Mon May 10 20:12:43 2010 From: simonroyal at live.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 20:12:43 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Ancient PowerMac free to good home. Message-ID: Paul I am so tempted, but I musnt. Simon --- http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - http://www.tinyurl.com/macspectrum (sent using Sony Ericsson P990i) From sc at davidviner.com Mon May 10 21:00:14 2010 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 21:00:14 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Restoring Old B/W Photos In-Reply-To: <19615366-4B69-4339-9226-89C758CB2939@mac.com> References: <4BE697C5.4030507@davidviner.com> <4BE7C71D.2000508@davidviner.com> <4BE7D573.8060101@davidviner.com> <19615366-4B69-4339-9226-89C758CB2939@mac.com> Message-ID: <4BE865CE.9000501@davidviner.com> Hi Barry > David, they are great. > How long did it take you to enhance? I have tried to do some of my own pictures (using Photoshop) without too much success although passable. I need to learn how to use Photoshop properly but it's getting the time and inclination to do so. > My problem is that I get distracted too easily and go off on tangents! > Anyway, good job, well done. > Thanks! Well, it was over 4 years ago when I tackled the photos (there were 3 of them) but, checking the dates and times on the images I can see that I spent around 5 hours on the three. Once was in quite good condition apart from some gunk (the solid remains of sellotape glue, I guessed) from three of the corners so that probably didn't take too long. I've uploaded the third photo: http://www.davidviner.com/nmug/photo3.jpg which was quite damaged and had also been written on! As you will see I managed to "lose" some of the damage around the edges by cropping. As to the methods for rectifying the damage, as Martin said yesterday it's the "tons of careful cloning" from undamaged parts that will get you there. Using a "push" tool to spread some undamaged image over a damaged area is useful but care should be taken as pushing tends to smooth out the finer detail - in other words use sparingly and if it doesn't look right, undo and try again using some other method such as good ol' copy and paste. As Jeremy said you have to treat each photo individually - in fact I'd go as far as saying that you also need to treat each piece of damage individually as well depending on the type of damage and the complexity of the detail that needs to be fixed. Persistence will pay off! David From bazyoungs at mac.com Mon May 10 21:08:31 2010 From: bazyoungs at mac.com (Barry Youngs) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 21:08:31 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Restoring Old B/W Photos In-Reply-To: <4BE865CE.9000501@davidviner.com> References: <4BE697C5.4030507@davidviner.com> <4BE7C71D.2000508@davidviner.com> <4BE7D573.8060101@davidviner.com> <19615366-4B69-4339-9226-89C758CB2939@mac.com> <4BE865CE.9000501@davidviner.com> Message-ID: <6053FEB0-AEB5-4D92-8B98-649CCC25C6D5@mac.com> Thanks for that David,I must have a good "Go at it" As we all know the best way to learn is to keep trying, Methinks I will be going on a photoshop course in the future! I have a few dvd tutorials to look at to get me started so I'll go from there. Barry On 10 May 2010, at 21:00, David Viner wrote: >> > > Thanks! Well, it was over 4 years ago when I tackled the photos "Nothing is often a wise thing to do, and always a clever thing to say." From alanbarber at mac.com Mon May 10 22:40:43 2010 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 22:40:43 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Restoring Old B/W Photos In-Reply-To: <4BE865CE.9000501@davidviner.com> References: <4BE697C5.4030507@davidviner.com> <4BE7C71D.2000508@davidviner.com> <4BE7D573.8060101@davidviner.com> <19615366-4B69-4339-9226-89C758CB2939@mac.com> <4BE865CE.9000501@davidviner.com> Message-ID: <57AFAE14-8554-4952-BD3D-A12C6086EB53@mac.com> Would you like to run show us at the next beginners course - Saturday morning 13th June Regards Alan On 10 May 2010, at 21:00, David Viner wrote: > Hi Barry > >> David, they are great. >> How long did it take you to enhance? I have tried to do some of my own pictures (using Photoshop) without too much success although passable. I need to learn how to use Photoshop properly but it's getting the time and inclination to do so. >> My problem is that I get distracted too easily and go off on tangents! >> Anyway, good job, well done. >> > > Thanks! Well, it was over 4 years ago when I tackled the photos (there > were 3 of them) but, checking the dates and times on the images I can > see that I spent around 5 hours on the three. Once was in quite good > condition apart from some gunk (the solid remains of sellotape glue, I > guessed) from three of the corners so that probably didn't take too > long. I've uploaded the third photo: > http://www.davidviner.com/nmug/photo3.jpg > which was quite damaged and had also been written on! As you will see I > managed to "lose" some of the damage around the edges by cropping. > > As to the methods for rectifying the damage, as Martin said yesterday > it's the "tons of careful cloning" from undamaged parts that will get > you there. Using a "push" tool to spread some undamaged image over a > damaged area is useful but care should be taken as pushing tends to > smooth out the finer detail - in other words use sparingly and if it > doesn't look right, undo and try again using some other method such as > good ol' copy and paste. As Jeremy said you have to treat each photo > individually - in fact I'd go as far as saying that you also need to > treat each piece of damage individually as well depending on the type of > damage and the complexity of the detail that needs to be fixed. > Persistence will pay off! > > David > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From sc at davidviner.com Wed May 12 10:37:24 2010 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 10:37:24 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Restoring Old B/W Photos In-Reply-To: <57AFAE14-8554-4952-BD3D-A12C6086EB53@mac.com> References: <4BE697C5.4030507@davidviner.com> <4BE7C71D.2000508@davidviner.com> <4BE7D573.8060101@davidviner.com> <19615366-4B69-4339-9226-89C758CB2939@mac.com> <4BE865CE.9000501@davidviner.com> <57AFAE14-8554-4952-BD3D-A12C6086EB53@mac.com> Message-ID: <4BEA76D4.5030308@davidviner.com> A couple of problems with that.... first, I can't make it and secondly, I don't actually use Photoshop! You may be horrified to note that, although I possess a number of PCs and Macs (and the PCs run either Windows or some form of Linux), most of my graphics work is done on a PC using PaintShop Pro (though not the latest slow buggy thing that Corel have turned it into). Using PSP is a hangover from a job I had around 1999-2001 when it was supplied with the PC I was given to work on - despite several attempts, I never did get on with PhotoShop and always found it non-intuitive to use compared to PSP (this also probably explains why I never got on with the open source GIMP which, I believe, was modelled on PhotoShop). David Alan Barber wrote: > Would you like to run show us at the next beginners course - Saturday morning 13th June > > Regards > > Alan > > > On 10 May 2010, at 21:00, David Viner wrote: > > >> Hi Barry >> >> >>> David, they are great. >>> How long did it take you to enhance? I have tried to do some of my own pictures (using Photoshop) without too much success although passable. I need to learn how to use Photoshop properly but it's getting the time and inclination to do so. >>> My problem is that I get distracted too easily and go off on tangents! >>> Anyway, good job, well done. >>> >>> >> Thanks! Well, it was over 4 years ago when I tackled the photos (there >> were 3 of them) but, checking the dates and times on the images I can >> see that I spent around 5 hours on the three. Once was in quite good >> condition apart from some gunk (the solid remains of sellotape glue, I >> guessed) from three of the corners so that probably didn't take too >> long. I've uploaded the third photo: >> http://www.davidviner.com/nmug/photo3.jpg >> which was quite damaged and had also been written on! As you will see I >> managed to "lose" some of the damage around the edges by cropping. >> >> As to the methods for rectifying the damage, as Martin said yesterday >> it's the "tons of careful cloning" from undamaged parts that will get >> you there. Using a "push" tool to spread some undamaged image over a >> damaged area is useful but care should be taken as pushing tends to >> smooth out the finer detail - in other words use sparingly and if it >> doesn't look right, undo and try again using some other method such as >> good ol' copy and paste. As Jeremy said you have to treat each photo >> individually - in fact I'd go as far as saying that you also need to >> treat each piece of damage individually as well depending on the type of >> damage and the complexity of the detail that needs to be fixed. >> Persistence will pay off! >> >> David >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From alanbarber at mac.com Wed May 12 12:05:42 2010 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 12:05:42 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Restoring Old B/W Photos In-Reply-To: <4BEA76D4.5030308@davidviner.com> References: <4BE697C5.4030507@davidviner.com> <4BE7C71D.2000508@davidviner.com> <4BE7D573.8060101@davidviner.com> <19615366-4B69-4339-9226-89C758CB2939@mac.com> <4BE865CE.9000501@davidviner.com> <57AFAE14-8554-4952-BD3D-A12C6086EB53@mac.com> <4BEA76D4.5030308@davidviner.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the reply. Regards Alan On 12 May 2010, at 10:37, David Viner wrote: > A couple of problems with that.... first, I can't make it and secondly, > I don't actually use Photoshop! You may be horrified to note that, > although I possess a number of PCs and Macs (and the PCs run either > Windows or some form of Linux), most of my graphics work is done on a PC > using PaintShop Pro (though not the latest slow buggy thing that Corel > have turned it into). Using PSP is a hangover from a job I had around > 1999-2001 when it was supplied with the PC I was given to work on - > despite several attempts, I never did get on with PhotoShop and always > found it non-intuitive to use compared to PSP (this also probably > explains why I never got on with the open source GIMP which, I believe, > was modelled on PhotoShop). > > David > > Alan Barber wrote: >> Would you like to run show us at the next beginners course - Saturday morning 13th June >> >> Regards >> >> Alan >> >> >> On 10 May 2010, at 21:00, David Viner wrote: >> >> >>> Hi Barry >>> >>> >>>> David, they are great. >>>> How long did it take you to enhance? I have tried to do some of my own pictures (using Photoshop) without too much success although passable. I need to learn how to use Photoshop properly but it's getting the time and inclination to do so. >>>> My problem is that I get distracted too easily and go off on tangents! >>>> Anyway, good job, well done. >>>> >>>> >>> Thanks! Well, it was over 4 years ago when I tackled the photos (there >>> were 3 of them) but, checking the dates and times on the images I can >>> see that I spent around 5 hours on the three. Once was in quite good >>> condition apart from some gunk (the solid remains of sellotape glue, I >>> guessed) from three of the corners so that probably didn't take too >>> long. I've uploaded the third photo: >>> http://www.davidviner.com/nmug/photo3.jpg >>> which was quite damaged and had also been written on! As you will see I >>> managed to "lose" some of the damage around the edges by cropping. >>> >>> As to the methods for rectifying the damage, as Martin said yesterday >>> it's the "tons of careful cloning" from undamaged parts that will get >>> you there. Using a "push" tool to spread some undamaged image over a >>> damaged area is useful but care should be taken as pushing tends to >>> smooth out the finer detail - in other words use sparingly and if it >>> doesn't look right, undo and try again using some other method such as >>> good ol' copy and paste. As Jeremy said you have to treat each photo >>> individually - in fact I'd go as far as saying that you also need to >>> treat each piece of damage individually as well depending on the type of >>> damage and the complexity of the detail that needs to be fixed. >>> Persistence will pay off! >>> >>> David >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From brian at clearlight.uk.net Wed May 12 12:12:25 2010 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 12:12:25 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Restoring Old B/W Photos In-Reply-To: <4BE7D573.8060101@davidviner.com> Message-ID: Well I don't think the background looks other than a screen - but the photo looks well restored. I lived in Welling for a few years as a lad - it technically in Kent unless they've redrawn the boundaries - but effectively well inside the vast sprawl of London. Dropbox is a very free simple way of sharing files with a link. (Among so many others) - also of keeping smaller files in sync between two or more computers. all the best Brian > From: David Viner > Reply-To: "nmug at nmug.org.uk" > Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 10:44:19 +0100 > To: "nmug at nmug.org.uk" > Subject: Re: [NMUG] Restoring Old B/W Photos > > Those images can be found here: > http://www.davidviner.com/nmug/photo1.jpg > and > http://www.davidviner.com/nmug/photo2.jpg > > Photo 1: This shows a before/after example of my mother and her younger > sister posing in a studio photograph from around 1927 - the donkey was > real but the background was painted! The original photo (along with > others) was rescued from my grandmother's house - the house (and most of > the road in Welling, South East London) was demolished by a V2 rocket > near the end of WWII (which unfortunately killed my grandmother as well). > > Photo 2: The box on the floor between the donkey's legs apparently > showed the photograph number - 6320 in this case. This shows part of the > original scan showing the number and some of the damage. > > Regards > > David > > > > Paul Chapman wrote: >> On May 10, 2010, at 09:43, David Viner wrote: >> >> >>> Hmm, obviously attachments don't work on this mailing list!!! If >>> anyone >>> is interested in the images I tried to post then I will upload them >>> somewhere you can all get at! >>> >> >> I think we would like to see these photos. If you don't have an >> obvious place to upload them then feel free to send them to me and I >> will do it for you and post the link. >> >> Paul C >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From sc at davidviner.com Wed May 12 14:25:42 2010 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 14:25:42 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Restoring Old B/W Photos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BEAAC56.8030205@davidviner.com> Yes, you are right about Welling actually being in Kent - on an aerial map through it just looks like it's part of London. It was interesting to watch that Blitz Street programme on Channel 4 on Monday - if we hadn't fooled the German's into thinking their V2s were overshooting London then they might not have reprogrammed them to fall short and Welling (and my grandmother) may not have been hit. Brian Steere wrote: > Well I don't think the background looks other than a screen - but the photo > looks well restored. > I lived in Welling for a few years as a lad - it technically in Kent unless > they've redrawn the boundaries - but effectively well inside the vast sprawl > of London. > Dropbox is a very free simple way of sharing files with a link. (Among so > many others) - also of keeping smaller files in sync between two or more > computers. > > all the best > Brian > > >> From: David Viner >> Reply-To: "nmug at nmug.org.uk" >> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 10:44:19 +0100 >> To: "nmug at nmug.org.uk" >> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Restoring Old B/W Photos >> >> Those images can be found here: >> http://www.davidviner.com/nmug/photo1.jpg >> and >> http://www.davidviner.com/nmug/photo2.jpg >> >> Photo 1: This shows a before/after example of my mother and her younger >> sister posing in a studio photograph from around 1927 - the donkey was >> real but the background was painted! The original photo (along with >> others) was rescued from my grandmother's house - the house (and most of >> the road in Welling, South East London) was demolished by a V2 rocket >> near the end of WWII (which unfortunately killed my grandmother as well). >> >> Photo 2: The box on the floor between the donkey's legs apparently >> showed the photograph number - 6320 in this case. This shows part of the >> original scan showing the number and some of the damage. >> >> Regards >> >> David >> >> >> >> Paul Chapman wrote: >> >>> On May 10, 2010, at 09:43, David Viner wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hmm, obviously attachments don't work on this mailing list!!! If >>>> anyone >>>> is interested in the images I tried to post then I will upload them >>>> somewhere you can all get at! >>>> >>>> >>> I think we would like to see these photos. If you don't have an >>> obvious place to upload them then feel free to send them to me and I >>> will do it for you and post the link. >>> >>> Paul C >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: >>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net Wed May 12 19:09:57 2010 From: Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net (Jeremy Webb) Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 19:09:57 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Restoring Old B/W Photos In-Reply-To: <4BEA76D4.5030308@davidviner.com> References: <4BE697C5.4030507@davidviner.com> <4BE7C71D.2000508@davidviner.com> <4BE7D573.8060101@davidviner.com> <19615366-4B69-4339-9226-89C758CB2939@mac.com> <4BE865CE.9000501@davidviner.com> <57AFAE14-8554-4952-BD3D-A12C6086EB53@mac.com> <4BEA76D4.5030308@davidviner.com> Message-ID: <2C252699-BCC4-4912-90F5-E1D588F784D0@virgin.net> For anyone who may be interested, I'm running a few courses in Photoshop at Norwich Arts Centre, including a 4-session course in digital restoration of old prints. Details here http://norwichartscentre.co.uk/digital-restoration- introduction-july-5th/ and also a 1-day workshop on Photoshop for B&W enthusiasts on June 19th http://norwichartscentre.co.uk/photoshop-for-black-white%C2% A0film-introduction/ They have a wonderful suite of iMacs to work on and a large demonstration screen linked to the tutors monitor. Having just decommissioned their darkroom :-( they've now got more space to fill with even more lovely new macs :-) Plenty of other NAC courses of interest to mac users on over the next few months, not just mine ;-) Jeremy Webb http://www.jeremywebbphotography.com On 12 May 2010, at 10:37, David Viner wrote: > A couple of problems with that.... first, I can't make it and > secondly, > I don't actually use Photoshop! You may be horrified to note that, > although I possess a number of PCs and Macs (and the PCs run either > Windows or some form of Linux), most of my graphics work is done on > a PC > using PaintShop Pro (though not the latest slow buggy thing that Corel > have turned it into). Using PSP is a hangover from a job I had around > 1999-2001 when it was supplied with the PC I was given to work on - > despite several attempts, I never did get on with PhotoShop and always > found it non-intuitive to use compared to PSP (this also probably > explains why I never got on with the open source GIMP which, I > believe, > was modelled on PhotoShop). > > David > > Alan Barber wrote: >> Would you like to run show us at the next beginners course - >> Saturday morning 13th June >> >> Regards >> >> Alan >> >> >> On 10 May 2010, at 21:00, David Viner wrote: >> >> >>> Hi Barry >>> >>> >>>> David, they are great. >>>> How long did it take you to enhance? I have tried to do some of >>>> my own pictures (using Photoshop) without too much success >>>> although passable. I need to learn how to use Photoshop properly >>>> but it's getting the time and inclination to do so. >>>> My problem is that I get distracted too easily and go off on >>>> tangents! >>>> Anyway, good job, well done. >>>> >>>> >>> Thanks! Well, it was over 4 years ago when I tackled the photos >>> (there >>> were 3 of them) but, checking the dates and times on the images I >>> can >>> see that I spent around 5 hours on the three. Once was in quite good >>> condition apart from some gunk (the solid remains of sellotape >>> glue, I >>> guessed) from three of the corners so that probably didn't take too >>> long. I've uploaded the third photo: >>> http://www.davidviner.com/nmug/photo3.jpg >>> which was quite damaged and had also been written on! As you will >>> see I >>> managed to "lose" some of the damage around the edges by cropping. >>> >>> As to the methods for rectifying the damage, as Martin said >>> yesterday >>> it's the "tons of careful cloning" from undamaged parts that will >>> get >>> you there. Using a "push" tool to spread some undamaged image over a >>> damaged area is useful but care should be taken as pushing tends to >>> smooth out the finer detail - in other words use sparingly and if it >>> doesn't look right, undo and try again using some other method >>> such as >>> good ol' copy and paste. As Jeremy said you have to treat each photo >>> individually - in fact I'd go as far as saying that you also need to >>> treat each piece of damage individually as well depending on the >>> type of >>> damage and the complexity of the detail that needs to be fixed. >>> Persistence will pay off! >>> >>> David >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ >>> listinfo/nmug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ >> listinfo/nmug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug From brian at clearlight.uk.net Thu May 13 13:02:36 2010 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 13:02:36 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Restoring Old B/W Photos In-Reply-To: <4BEAAC56.8030205@davidviner.com> Message-ID: Yes its effectively a part of the London conurbation. My Grandmother knew Welling as a rural stage stop before the horseless carriage. Up here on the North Norfolk coast, I believe any remaining bombs were jettisoned before heading home. Not always on wasteland or the sea. WARNING! - Brian rambles philosophically - BELOW! That word 'if' - gives rise to a sense of infinite possibility along the lines of one's own thought. Perhaps useful looking forward in changing a present condition in order to experience a different present unfolding from the change - but tending to offer residence in never-never-land when looking backward - if not to turn into a 'pillar of salt'. If, 'if' had never been accorded such a private curiosity and identification, then 'is' would stand forth clearly without the shifting apparent contrast with 'was' and 'yet to be' and we'd experience everything on a totally different basis. There seems to be a creative tension between opposing polarities from which a program of experience arises - that at first seems fairly random - and yet expresses exact values within the structure of that experience. We like to think that we learn from history - yet if anything - the seemingly endless repetition of unrecognised algorithms of belief, desire and intent - perpetuate the same old show with all of its play of love and love lost, amidst a chaotic and often hostile sense of life. As one who is convinced that we can delete the filters set by our old 'preferences files' and be restored to the fullness and the colour of living, I have had the sense that computer technology is expanding the mapping and vocabulary for our mind - to allow a far more creative sense of life as a structure serving universal will rather than a chaotic rendering of conflicting will. 'If' - of course such a desire is active. (Which is a present observation or consideration and not a future condition). Hmmm - I tried to bring it round to Mac related but failed! But a practical example could be the change of "my wife wont let me buy an iPad" to "in the current context of a shared love and life, buying an iPad is not my true desire now". Or it may be "Dear wife, I want an iPad and don't need a justification beyond that" - and then negotiate if necessary amidst the funds and priorities. As one who has been married, I know how easy it can be to set up 'games' in which the other seems to deprive me - and resentment then seems justified. Then there's uneasy appeasements and periodic war. If this helps anyone to buy or not buy a bit of kit without any trace of remaining 'guilt' then maybe it isnt totally off topic. iPad? Maybe one day - when it has the ability to video skype as well. It could be great for the IT illiterate though all the best Brian > From: David Viner > Reply-To: "nmug at nmug.org.uk" > Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 14:25:42 +0100 > To: "nmug at nmug.org.uk" > Subject: Re: [NMUG] Restoring Old B/W Photos > > Yes, you are right about Welling actually being in Kent - on an aerial > map through it just looks like it's part of London. It was interesting > to watch that Blitz Street programme on Channel 4 on Monday - if we > hadn't fooled the German's into thinking their V2s were overshooting > London then they might not have reprogrammed them to fall short and > Welling (and my grandmother) may not have been hit. > > Brian Steere wrote: >> Well I don't think the background looks other than a screen - but the photo >> looks well restored. >> I lived in Welling for a few years as a lad - it technically in Kent unless >> they've redrawn the boundaries - but effectively well inside the vast sprawl >> of London. >> Dropbox is a very free simple way of sharing files with a link. (Among so >> many others) - also of keeping smaller files in sync between two or more >> computers. >> >> all the best >> Brian >> >> >>> From: David Viner >>> Reply-To: "nmug at nmug.org.uk" >>> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 10:44:19 +0100 >>> To: "nmug at nmug.org.uk" >>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Restoring Old B/W Photos >>> >>> Those images can be found here: >>> http://www.davidviner.com/nmug/photo1.jpg >>> and >>> http://www.davidviner.com/nmug/photo2.jpg >>> >>> Photo 1: This shows a before/after example of my mother and her younger >>> sister posing in a studio photograph from around 1927 - the donkey was >>> real but the background was painted! The original photo (along with >>> others) was rescued from my grandmother's house - the house (and most of >>> the road in Welling, South East London) was demolished by a V2 rocket >>> near the end of WWII (which unfortunately killed my grandmother as well). >>> >>> Photo 2: The box on the floor between the donkey's legs apparently >>> showed the photograph number - 6320 in this case. This shows part of the >>> original scan showing the number and some of the damage. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> David >>> >>> >>> >>> Paul Chapman wrote: >>> >>>> On May 10, 2010, at 09:43, David Viner wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hmm, obviously attachments don't work on this mailing list!!! If >>>>> anyone >>>>> is interested in the images I tried to post then I will upload them >>>>> somewhere you can all get at! >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I think we would like to see these photos. If you don't have an >>>> obvious place to upload them then feel free to send them to me and I >>>> will do it for you and post the link. >>>> >>>> Paul C >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>>> Manage your subscription at: >>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: >>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu May 13 16:54:04 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 16:54:04 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Interesting UK Apple news and reviews website References: <4927cd3a6578758ae51ad174e8a29108@applemob.co.uk> Message-ID: <7C7D0A95-DC34-4CFF-B963-2AE9ACA4C5C6@durrant.co.uk> I just received this notice about a new UK-based Apple news website. I've taken a quick look, and it seems to be an active and interesting site for UK Apple users. http://www.applemob.co.uk/ regards, Paul Begin forwarded message: > From: "info at applemob" > Date: 13 May 2010 15:57:58 BST > To: > Subject: New UK Apple news and reviews website > > Hi Paul > > I would like to introduce myself, my name is Pete Lawerence and I > have been working with Apple products for 16 years now, I am still > employed as a Pre Press Manager in a large print group, but decided > that I should share some of the information I have gleened over the > years. I have put together a website which I would like to share > with your members, applemob.co.uk is based around all Apple UK news, > and has a growing number of articles. The website has only been > running since April this year but is steadily growing. > I wondered whether this would be of interest to your usergroup. > > > Thanks for your time. > > > Regards > > > Peter Lawrence > applemob.co.uk > East Sussex > > > From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com Thu May 13 21:47:37 2010 From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (Simon Bainbridge) Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 21:47:37 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Apple Workshops Message-ID: <98715842-4285-4B64-9EC6-E147E4C599ED@googlemail.com> Hi All I don't know if you are all aware that there are free training workshops available everyday at the Norwich Apple Store. I was talking about this at the last NMug meetup and thought I would post it on here to. I have written a blog post all about my happy experience of using the workshops here - http://blog.bancomdesign.co.uk/ Regards Simon Bainbridge From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Fri May 14 14:34:39 2010 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 14:34:39 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Talk Talk Message-ID: <423C32E1-9152-49B3-8B63-1292041CA998@virgin.net> Advice needed! I've just had a guy at the door offering a deal to get me away from BT. Broadband Anytime free calls Line rental Free 0845 & 0870 calls free 01 to 054 tel nos. ( Not mobiles) free voice mail & caller ID inc VAT All for ?22.48 month. Only trouble is he is with Talk Talk! What do you think? I now pay ?25 month at BT for free calls up to an hour ( Not mobile) Plus ?14.99 with F2S broadband........................................................Total now ?39.99 Martin Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com From allanmacam at me.com Fri May 14 15:06:13 2010 From: allanmacam at me.com (Allan) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 15:06:13 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Talk Talk In-Reply-To: <423C32E1-9152-49B3-8B63-1292041CA998@virgin.net> References: <423C32E1-9152-49B3-8B63-1292041CA998@virgin.net> Message-ID: I've been using TalkTalk for just over a year on a similar package but including free international calls. No problems at all. Broadband has been very reliable and the telephone charges speak for themselves. Help is through a call centre which is either India or South Africa and on the two occasions I needed them, they were very good although I think milage will vary depending on the individual who answers the phone. I know some people have very negative attitudes towards TalkTalk, probably due to the early days, but in my experience they are as good and sometimes better than any other ISP (BT?). Apart that is from Zen. But then the prices are a tad different. Allan On 14 May 2010, at 14:34, Martin Fry wrote: > Advice needed! > > > I've just had a guy at the door offering a deal to get me away from BT. > > > Broadband > Anytime free calls > Line rental > Free 0845 & 0870 calls > free 01 to 054 tel nos. ( Not mobiles) > free voice mail & caller ID > inc VAT > > All for ?22.48 month. > > Only trouble is he is with Talk Talk! > > What do you think? > > > I now pay ?25 month at BT for free calls up to an hour ( Not mobile) > Plus ?14.99 with F2S > broadband........................................................Total > now ?39.99 > > Martin > From sc at davidviner.com Fri May 14 15:08:43 2010 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 15:08:43 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Talk Talk In-Reply-To: <423C32E1-9152-49B3-8B63-1292041CA998@virgin.net> References: <423C32E1-9152-49B3-8B63-1292041CA998@virgin.net> Message-ID: <4BED596B.8050507@davidviner.com> Martin A few years ago TalkTalk were quite notorious for their bad service. However, from what I hear, it seems they have improved since then (possibly because they couldn't get any worse). I've should say that I've never used them (though they did once send round two rather charming and pretty sales girls to try to change my mind) - they can't currently compete with the cable service I get via Virgin. Comparing TalkTalk with BT here: http://www.thinkbroadband.com/isp/compare.html doesn't show that one is any better than the other. One possible advantage of staying with BT is that, if there's a fault with your connection, then it's going to be BT's problem to fix (unless it's your modem/computer) - with other companies you can sometimes find yourself in the middle of a battle with the other company blaming BT's lines and BT blaming the other company (a friend who used to use AOL* had this several times). *Well I suppose someone had to.... Also, sometimes, it's better the devil you know! Just my thoughts... David Martin Fry wrote: > Advice needed! > > > I've just had a guy at the door offering a deal to get me away from BT. > > > Broadband > Anytime free calls > Line rental > Free 0845 & 0870 calls > free 01 to 054 tel nos. ( Not mobiles) > free voice mail & caller ID > inc VAT > > All for ?22.48 month. > > Only trouble is he is with Talk Talk! > > What do you think? > > > I now pay ?25 month at BT for free calls up to an hour ( Not mobile) > Plus ?14.99 with F2S > broadband........................................................Total > now ?39.99 > > Martin > > Martin Fry > www.martinfryphotography.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From ken.hamer at stackyard.org Fri May 14 15:26:13 2010 From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 15:26:13 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Talk Talk In-Reply-To: <4BED596B.8050507@davidviner.com> References: <423C32E1-9152-49B3-8B63-1292041CA998@virgin.net> <4BED596B.8050507@davidviner.com> Message-ID: <4BED5D85.6080602@stackyard.org> Not so, I'm afraid. BT Broadband have the same relationship with BT OpenReach as any other provider (OfCom enforced). The BT Broadband people will make as much effort to avoid calling OpenReach out as any other provider will. Caveat emptor. Ken II On 14/05/2010 15:08, David Viner wrote: > One possible advantage of staying with BT is that, if there's a fault > with your connection, then it's going to be BT's problem to fix (unless > it's your modem/computer) - with other companies you can sometimes find > yourself in the middle of a battle with the other company blaming BT's > lines and BT blaming the other company (a friend who used to use AOL* > had this several times). > From sc at davidviner.com Fri May 14 15:30:23 2010 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 15:30:23 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Talk Talk In-Reply-To: <4BED5D85.6080602@stackyard.org> References: <423C32E1-9152-49B3-8B63-1292041CA998@virgin.net> <4BED596B.8050507@davidviner.com> <4BED5D85.6080602@stackyard.org> Message-ID: <4BED5E7F.7090905@davidviner.com> Now why doesn't that surprise me ;-) Thanks for enlightening me, Ken. Well, at least us Virgin Media users won't have that problem (unless someone decides it's some sort of monopoly and breaks VM up into smaller parts). David Ken Hamer wrote: > Not so, I'm afraid. BT Broadband have the same relationship with BT > OpenReach as any other provider (OfCom enforced). The BT Broadband > people will make as much effort to avoid calling OpenReach out as any > other provider will. Caveat emptor. > > Ken II > > On 14/05/2010 15:08, David Viner wrote: > > >> One possible advantage of staying with BT is that, if there's a fault >> with your connection, then it's going to be BT's problem to fix (unless >> it's your modem/computer) - with other companies you can sometimes find >> yourself in the middle of a battle with the other company blaming BT's >> lines and BT blaming the other company (a friend who used to use AOL* >> had this several times). >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Fri May 14 15:41:24 2010 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 15:41:24 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Talk Talk In-Reply-To: <423C32E1-9152-49B3-8B63-1292041CA998@virgin.net> References: <423C32E1-9152-49B3-8B63-1292041CA998@virgin.net> Message-ID: <6D582C81-EA95-4837-B647-A283F8FEA29A@virgin.net> Hello Martin, I'm due to 'go live' with TalkTalk on Monday next. Although of course it's too soon to report my experience, everything, free router etc has arrived as promised, and there is a 30 trial period. If you sign up on line there is not the connection fee of ?29.99. Our neighbours have them and are satisfied, so?! Ken Arnoldi On 14 May 2010, at 02:34 PM, Martin Fry wrote: > Advice needed! > > > I've just had a guy at the door offering a deal to get me away from > BT. > > > Broadband > Anytime free calls > Line rental > Free 0845 & 0870 calls > free 01 to 054 tel nos. ( Not mobiles) > free voice mail & caller ID > inc VAT > > All for ?22.4 > 8 month. > > Only trouble is he is with Talk Talk! > > What do you think? > > > I now pay ?25 month at BT for free calls up to an hour ( Not mobile) > Plus ?14.99 with F2S > broadband........................................................Total > now ?39.99 > > Martin > > Martin Fry > www.martinfryphotography.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Fri May 14 16:02:58 2010 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 16:02:58 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Talk Talk In-Reply-To: <6D582C81-EA95-4837-B647-A283F8FEA29A@virgin.net> References: <423C32E1-9152-49B3-8B63-1292041CA998@virgin.net> <6D582C81-EA95-4837-B647-A283F8FEA29A@virgin.net> Message-ID: <041C01B0-6019-4286-89B1-442D44AF9931@virgin.net> > Interesting! > I have just phoned BT to see what they can do and they have come up > with Broadband and my 'old' anytime phone service for ?26.52. Both companies offer better than the ?39.99 I have been paying for years now. Thanks for all your comments Now I have to decide!!! martin Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com > > I'm due to 'go live' with TalkTalk on Monday next. Although of course > it's too soon to report my experience, everything, free router etc has > arrived as promised, and there is a 30 trial period. If you sign up on > line there is not the connection fee of ?29.99. > Our neighbours have them and are satisfied, so?! > > Ken Arnoldi > > >> >> I've just had a guy at the door offering a deal to get me away from >> BT. >> >> >> Broadband >> Anytime free calls >> Line rental >> Free 0845 & 0870 calls >> free 01 to 054 tel nos. ( Not mobiles) >> free voice mail & caller ID >> inc VAT >> >> All for ?22.4 >> 8 month. >> >> Only trouble is he is with Talk Talk! >> >> What do you think? >> >> >> I now pay ?25 month at BT for free calls up to an hour ( Not mobile) >> Plus ?14.99 with F2S >> broadband >> ........................................................Total now >> ?39.99 >> >> Martin From turrethouse at talktalk.net Fri May 14 17:20:59 2010 From: turrethouse at talktalk.net (Hugh Morgan) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 17:20:59 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Talk Talk Message-ID: I've been with TalkTalk for 3 years or so and have had no trouble at all. The only time I needed their helpline they were very helpful. Hug Morgan From ghowells at f2s.com Fri May 14 23:04:33 2010 From: ghowells at f2s.com (G.Howells) Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 23:04:33 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Talk Talk In-Reply-To: <423C32E1-9152-49B3-8B63-1292041CA998@virgin.net> References: <423C32E1-9152-49B3-8B63-1292041CA998@virgin.net> Message-ID: Martin. My f2s broadband at ?13-99 a month also gives me up to 500 mins free anytime 'normal'phone calls per month. Landline with BT. Gordon. >Advice needed! > > >I've just had a guy at the door offering a deal to get me away from BT. > > >Broadband >Anytime free calls >Line rental >Free 0845 & 0870 calls >free 01 to 054 tel nos. ( Not mobiles) >free voice mail & caller ID >inc VAT > > > > All for ?22.48 month. > >Only trouble is he is with Talk Talk! > >What do you think? > > >I now pay ?25 month at BT for free calls up to an hour ( Not mobile) >Plus ?14.99 with F2S >broadband........................................................Total >now ?39.99 > >Martin > >Martin Fry >www.martinfryphotography.com > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com Sat May 15 08:59:45 2010 From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (2003r2tech at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 08:59:45 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Talk Talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0BB50D0C-FD19-467E-BE7C-D62AF63E7ABB@googlemail.com> I used to be on TalkTalk about 3 years ago but when I moved to another house in Norwich. I asked them to change my location but to stay with them for broadband and telephone they tried to charge me ?75 for moving location. I then said that this was wrong and I wanted to leave them and they said I could not due to having 6 months left of an 18 month contract. This was miss sold to me when I signed up for it in Carphone Warehouse where they had told me it was a 12 month contract. When you signup in store the form does not state the contract length but instead states that it's subject to the contract length in the handbook. The handbook sent to you days afterwards. In the handbook it states that it's a 12 month contract when signing up for broadband only. But 18 months fora broadband and telephone contract. Be aware of this before you signup! Simon Bainbridge On 14 May 2010, at 17:20, Hugh Morgan wrote: > I've been with TalkTalk for 3 years or so and have had no trouble at > all. The only time I needed their helpline they were very helpful. > Hug Morgan > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Sat May 15 09:10:19 2010 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 09:10:19 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Talk Talk In-Reply-To: <0BB50D0C-FD19-467E-BE7C-D62AF63E7ABB@googlemail.com> References: <0BB50D0C-FD19-467E-BE7C-D62AF63E7ABB@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <5E2F8846-1AB8-404D-BFDC-17BD52D0BABB@virgin.net> Simon, Point taken. But current literature before signing up does state 18 months for phone and broadband contract. There is a 30 trial period promised when you may cancel and only pay for the period used ( and of course return the router). I imagine that you may also cancel at any time if TalkTalk don't supply the service contracted for! Ken Arnoldi On 15 May 2010, at 08:59 AM, "2003r2tech at googlemail.com" <2003r2tech at googlemail.com > wrote: > > I used to be on TalkTalk about 3 years ago but when I moved to another > house in Norwich. I asked them to change my location but to stay with > them for broadband and telephone they tried to charge me ?75 for > moving location. > > I then said that this was wrong and I wanted to leave them and they > said I could not due to having 6 months left of an 18 month contract. > This was miss sold to me when I signed up for it in Carphone Warehouse > where they had told me it was a 12 month contract. When you signup in > store the form does not state the contract length but instead states > that it's subject to the contract length in the handbook. The handbook > sent to you days afterwards. > > In the handbook it states that it's a 12 month contract when signing > up for broadband only. But 18 months fora broadband and telephone > contract. > > Be aware of this before you signup! > > Simon Bainbridge > > On 14 May 2010, at 17:20, Hugh Morgan > wrote: > >> I've been with TalkTalk for 3 years or so and have had no trouble at >> all. The only time I needed their helpline they were very helpful. >> Hug Morgan >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com Sat May 15 09:17:34 2010 From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (2003r2tech at googlemail.com) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 09:17:34 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Talk Talk In-Reply-To: <5E2F8846-1AB8-404D-BFDC-17BD52D0BABB@virgin.net> References: <0BB50D0C-FD19-467E-BE7C-D62AF63E7ABB@googlemail.com> <5E2F8846-1AB8-404D-BFDC-17BD52D0BABB@virgin.net> Message-ID: <6B4CC062-CE97-4912-A0D4-0FBD42566148@googlemail.com> Ken That was the problem I never got that literature beforehand which in hindsight maybe I should of asked to see before signing. There still is the issue of paying ?75 to move whatever the contract to stay with them. Simon Bainbridge On 15 May 2010, at 09:10, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > Simon, > > Point taken. But current literature before signing up does state 18 > months for phone and broadband contract. There is a 30 trial period > promised when you may cancel and only pay for the period used ( and of > course return the router). I imagine that you may also cancel at any > time if TalkTalk don't supply the service contracted for! > > Ken Arnoldi > > > > On 15 May 2010, at 08:59 AM, "2003r2tech at googlemail.com" <2003r2tech at googlemail.com >> wrote: > >> >> I used to be on TalkTalk about 3 years ago but when I moved to >> another >> house in Norwich. I asked them to change my location but to stay with >> them for broadband and telephone they tried to charge me ?75 for >> moving location. >> >> I then said that this was wrong and I wanted to leave them and they >> said I could not due to having 6 months left of an 18 month contract. >> This was miss sold to me when I signed up for it in Carphone >> Warehouse >> where they had told me it was a 12 month contract. When you signup in >> store the form does not state the contract length but instead states >> that it's subject to the contract length in the handbook. The >> handbook >> sent to you days afterwards. >> >> In the handbook it states that it's a 12 month contract when signing >> up for broadband only. But 18 months fora broadband and telephone >> contract. >> >> Be aware of this before you signup! >> >> Simon Bainbridge >> >> On 14 May 2010, at 17:20, Hugh Morgan >> wrote: >> >>> I've been with TalkTalk for 3 years or so and have had no trouble at >>> all. The only time I needed their helpline they were very >>> helpful. >>> Hug Morgan >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From simonroyal at live.co.uk Sat May 15 10:30:35 2010 From: simonroyal at live.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 10:30:35 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Talk Talk Message-ID: Ken If Talk Talk customer policy is anything like Tiscali (who are now owned by Talk Talk), then be aware that Tiscali called a 3 day outage acceptable. They do not offer a 100 percent fault free service. :) Simon --- http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - http://www.tinyurl.com/macspectrum (sent using Sony Ericsson P990i) From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Sat May 15 19:01:53 2010 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 19:01:53 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Mac code Message-ID: <52B9A88F-1F39-4242-9B01-9FD5AA10D863@virgin.net> To change from my F2S broadband provider to another company I need my F2S Mac code. What info will they request when ( and if I can ) Contact them? Martin Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com From macman at f2s.com Sat May 15 19:16:40 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 19:16:40 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Mac code In-Reply-To: <52B9A88F-1F39-4242-9B01-9FD5AA10D863@virgin.net> References: <52B9A88F-1F39-4242-9B01-9FD5AA10D863@virgin.net> Message-ID: Last time I threatened to leave f2s, my username was enough, but you may want to have your account number handy. May not even be necessary in this instance, as you're switching to TalkTalk from TalkTalk ! Robbie On 15 May 2010, at 19:01, Martin Fry wrote: To change from my F2S broadband provider to another company I need my F2S Mac code. What info will they request when ( and if I can ) Contact them? Martin Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Robbie Murray 01603 620749 01603 516175 07882 007667 macman at f2s.com From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Sat May 15 19:27:12 2010 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 19:27:12 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Mac code In-Reply-To: References: <52B9A88F-1F39-4242-9B01-9FD5AA10D863@virgin.net> Message-ID: <28B3BD49-B821-4E1D-A17C-5371E53D2D81@virgin.net> Hi Robbie (as you're switching to TalkTalk from TalkTalk !) Hmmm,! not decides yet about that. BT offered a counter offer that was not too bad, and as I am already with BT with my phones I may stay with them. I have changed phone companies several time but have always gone back to BT, as these special deals that other companies offer are not always that good in practice. However, I can't remember my F2S user name anyway! regards Martin > Martin Fry > www.martinfryphotography.com > Last time I threatened to leave f2s, my username was enough, but you > may want to have your account number handy. May not even be necessary > in this instance, as you're switching to TalkTalk from TalkTalk ! > Robbie > > > > On 15 May 2010, at 19:01, Martin Fry wrote: > > To change from my F2S broadband provider to another company I need my > F2S Mac code. > What info will they request when ( and if I can ) Contact them? > Martin > > > > > From macman at f2s.com Sat May 15 20:57:06 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 20:57:06 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Mac code In-Reply-To: <28B3BD49-B821-4E1D-A17C-5371E53D2D81@virgin.net> References: <52B9A88F-1F39-4242-9B01-9FD5AA10D863@virgin.net> <28B3BD49-B821-4E1D-A17C-5371E53D2D81@virgin.net> Message-ID: <6973FDD5-0A70-4994-BC15-4D9683BF25C1@f2s.com> Your username will be recorded in your router settings, but they can always find you from your personal details. I've stuck with BT for phones, not through any great sense of loyalty, but as I work from home, my greatest need is unlimited calls during the day and at ?4.99 pm for unlimited anytime calls plus ?11.54 line rental I've yet to see any other which excites me enough to want to change. TalkTalk as far as I can see is ?5.49 / ?11.49, so while their boast that their line rental is cheaper than BT is correct (by 5p per month) they omit to complete the sentence with "but our call charges are substantially more" I had a bad experience when I signed up for their phone service but specifically not broadband, (as they were unable to provide a fixed IP address), only to find that it was totally ignored and they were about to hijack my broadband against my wishes. They do seem, however, to have gradually got their act together, but I'll stay as I am, and having now taken the plunge and bought a domain for my emails, I'm beholden to no-one, so I may just be moving ISP to Plusnet, who have turned out to be pretty reliable and inexpensive with a generous bandwidth allocation and unlimited downloads overnight, which Is a bonus for my daily server backups which are quite large. I remember being constantly harried by NTL who were always 'cheaper than BT', but would never send a tariff. Wouldn't it be nice if ISPs, phone, mobile and media providers just told the truth (the whole truth, and nothing but the truth)? .... and that applies to gas & electricity suppliers too .... :-) Robbie On 15 May 2010, at 19:27, Martin Fry wrote: Hi Robbie (as you're switching to TalkTalk from TalkTalk !) Hmmm,! not decides yet about that. BT offered a counter offer that was not too bad, and as I am already with BT with my phones I may stay with them. I have changed phone companies several time but have always gone back to BT, as these special deals that other companies offer are not always that good in practice. However, I can't remember my F2S user name anyway! macman at f2s.com From ricnev at mac.com Sun May 16 12:32:12 2010 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 12:32:12 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] F1 iPad Alert! Message-ID: Jake Humphrey's waving one around!! How much did Apple pay him for that product placement?!! Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From turrethouse at talktalk.net Sun May 16 13:05:35 2010 From: turrethouse at talktalk.net (Hugh Morgan) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 13:05:35 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Mac code In-Reply-To: <6973FDD5-0A70-4994-BC15-4D9683BF25C1@f2s.com> References: <52B9A88F-1F39-4242-9B01-9FD5AA10D863@virgin.net> <28B3BD49-B821-4E1D-A17C-5371E53D2D81@virgin.net> <6973FDD5-0A70-4994-BC15-4D9683BF25C1@f2s.com> Message-ID: My talkTalk charges are :- Broadband 0.00 My TalkTalk 6.99 Line rental 11.49 Anytime UK landline 4.00 Total 22.48 (plus !.45 for a paper bill if you want one) ? why these small differences? Hugh > >I've stuck with BT for phones, not through any great sense of loyalty, >but as I work from home, my greatest need is unlimited calls during >the day and at ?4.99 pm for unlimited anytime calls plus ?11.54 line >rental I've yet to see any other which excites me enough to want to >change. > >TalkTalk as far as I can see is ?5.49 / ?11.49, so while their boast >that their line rental is cheaper than BT is correct (by 5p per month) >they omit to complete the sentence with "but our call charges are >substantially more" > > >Robbie > From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Sun May 16 14:18:08 2010 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 14:18:08 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] BT/TalkTalk call charges In-Reply-To: References: <52B9A88F-1F39-4242-9B01-9FD5AA10D863@virgin.net> <28B3BD49-B821-4E1D-A17C-5371E53D2D81@virgin.net> <6973FDD5-0A70-4994-BC15-4D9683BF25C1@f2s.com> Message-ID: <1BB9C33B-D811-4A1B-8FA3-03143C05E879@virgin.net> Both BT and Talk Talk have printable list of call call charges ranging from Afghanistan to Zimbabwe (not that I'm expecting to call either country!), and I think you will find that Talk talk is slightly cheaper. Ken Arnoldi On 16 May 2010, at 13:05, Hugh Morgan wrote: > My talkTalk charges are :- > Broadband 0.00 > My TalkTalk 6.99 > Line rental 11.49 > Anytime UK landline 4.00 > Total 22.48 (plus !.45 > for a paper bill if you want one) > > ? why these small differences? > > Hugh > >> >> I've stuck with BT for phones, not through any great sense of loyalty, >> but as I work from home, my greatest need is unlimited calls during >> the day and at ?4.99 pm for unlimited anytime calls plus ?11.54 line >> rental I've yet to see any other which excites me enough to want to >> change. >> >> TalkTalk as far as I can see is ?5.49 / ?11.49, so while their boast >> that their line rental is cheaper than BT is correct (by 5p per month) >> they omit to complete the sentence with "but our call charges are >> substantially more" >> >> >> Robbie >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Sun May 16 14:20:31 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 14:20:31 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Mac code In-Reply-To: References: <52B9A88F-1F39-4242-9B01-9FD5AA10D863@virgin.net> <28B3BD49-B821-4E1D-A17C-5371E53D2D81@virgin.net> <6973FDD5-0A70-4994-BC15-4D9683BF25C1@f2s.com> Message-ID: You may have a special deal - I took these figures from the website ... http://tinyurl.com/2eygs83 TalkTalk have a 12 month special price: BT offer 3 months free - in the long term there's probably not a lot of difference! (certainly not enough for me to endure the hassle of changing ....) Robbie On 16 May 2010, at 13:05, Hugh Morgan wrote: My talkTalk charges are :- Broadband 0.00 My TalkTalk 6.99 Line rental 11.49 Anytime UK landline 4.00 Total 22.48 (plus !.45 for a paper bill if you want one) ? why these small differences? Hugh > > I've stuck with BT for phones, not through any great sense of loyalty, > but as I work from home, my greatest need is unlimited calls during > the day and at ?4.99 pm for unlimited anytime calls plus ?11.54 line > rental I've yet to see any other which excites me enough to want to > change. > > TalkTalk as far as I can see is ?5.49 / ?11.49, so while their boast > that their line rental is cheaper than BT is correct (by 5p per month) > they omit to complete the sentence with "but our call charges are > substantially more" > > > Robbie > _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Robbie Murray 01603 620749 01603 516175 07882 007667 macman at f2s.com From tom at tomkershaw.com Sun May 16 18:15:19 2010 From: tom at tomkershaw.com (Tom Kershaw) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 18:15:19 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] F1 iPad Alert! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BF02827.80905@tomkershaw.com> Product placement as such isn't allowed on UK television. Tom Richard Nevill wrote: > Jake Humphrey's waving one around!! How much did Apple pay him for that product placement?!! > > > Richard Nevill > ricnev at mac.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From ricnev at mac.com Sun May 16 19:52:38 2010 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 19:52:38 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] F1 iPad Alert! In-Reply-To: <4BF02827.80905@tomkershaw.com> References: <4BF02827.80905@tomkershaw.com> Message-ID: Oh. So it was purely fortuitous. That Apple logo sure does stand out - fortuitously. ;-) Richard. On 16 May 2010, at 18:15, Tom Kershaw wrote: > Product placement as such isn't allowed on UK television. > > Tom > > Richard Nevill wrote: >> Jake Humphrey's waving one around!! How much did Apple pay him for that product placement?!! From rob at atvetsystems.com Sun May 16 20:39:57 2010 From: rob at atvetsystems.com (Robert Tillyard) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 20:39:57 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] F1 iPad Alert! In-Reply-To: References: <4BF02827.80905@tomkershaw.com> Message-ID: You often see Apple laptops and Cinema Displays where the logo has covered, I suspect that the next time you see it he may well have been told to cover the logo. But who's to say that Jake Humphrey didn't just buy in from the U.S. with his own money because he found it useful? I know at least two people who have had an iPad for a few weeks now both bought while they were visiting the US. Can't wait until the 28th when I should have one myself. Regards, Rob. On 16 May 2010, at 19:52, Richard Nevill wrote: > Oh. So it was purely fortuitous. > > That Apple logo sure does stand out - fortuitously. > > ;-) > > Richard. From ricnev at mac.com Sun May 16 20:58:24 2010 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 20:58:24 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] F1 iPad Alert! In-Reply-To: References: <4BF02827.80905@tomkershaw.com> Message-ID: Apparently Jake does have a practical use for his new toy - this culled from a Twitter Tweet of his yesterday: 'The clipboard is dead, long live the future...wondering what I'm tweeting about? See for yourself at 12.10! ' Clipboard = 50p Jakes iPad probably = clipboard cost x 1000 Hmm... So that's where my licence fee goes! Richard. On 16 May 2010, at 20:39, Robert Tillyard wrote: > You often see Apple laptops and Cinema Displays where the logo has covered, I suspect that the next time you see it he may well have been told to cover the logo. > > But who's to say that Jake Humphrey didn't just buy in from the U.S. with his own money because he found it useful? I know at least two people who have had an iPad for a few weeks now both bought while they were visiting the US. > > Can't wait until the 28th when I should have one myself. > > Regards, Rob. > > On 16 May 2010, at 19:52, Richard Nevill wrote: > >> Oh. So it was purely fortuitous. >> >> That Apple logo sure does stand out - fortuitously. >> >> ;-) >> >> Richard. > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From macman at f2s.com Sun May 16 21:01:24 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 21:01:24 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] F1 iPad Alert! In-Reply-To: References: <4BF02827.80905@tomkershaw.com> Message-ID: Yes, I have friends who have brought a couple back. Regarding logos, though, I'm forever seeing Dell & HP laptops on BBC news & current affairs programmes with no attempt to cover the badges ...... Robbie On 16 May 2010, at 20:39, Robert Tillyard wrote: You often see Apple laptops and Cinema Displays where the logo has covered, I suspect that the next time you see it he may well have been told to cover the logo. But who's to say that Jake Humphrey didn't just buy in from the U.S. with his own money because he found it useful? I know at least two people who have had an iPad for a few weeks now both bought while they were visiting the US. Can't wait until the 28th when I should have one myself. Regards, Rob. On 16 May 2010, at 19:52, Richard Nevill wrote: > Oh. So it was purely fortuitous. > > That Apple logo sure does stand out - fortuitously. > > ;-) > > Richard. From simonroyal at live.co.uk Sun May 16 21:59:17 2010 From: simonroyal at live.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 21:59:17 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] F1 iPad Alert! Message-ID: Robbie I remember going down this thread before. It does seem rather unfair, as you always see the Apple logo of some MacBook Pro covered in a hideous way. Yet, Dells and HPs are left for the world to see. However, most of the time the BBC use Apples so it annoys me that they have to cover it. Any half tech savvy person knows its an Apple as most of the time it runs OSX. As for not allowing product placements in UK programs, I feel that is an odd subject. As soon as the iPhone became available every person in a BBC program had one and within weeks of the silver Intel iMacs coming out the entire of Spooks were using them. Simon - http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - http://www.tinyurl.com/macspectrum (sent using Sony Ericsson P990i) From richard_kelham at yahoo.co.uk Mon May 17 00:17:47 2010 From: richard_kelham at yahoo.co.uk (Richard Kelham) Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 23:17:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [NMUG] blank desktop Message-ID: <449227.13179.qm@web24703.mail.ird.yahoo.com> A little poser for the collective wisdom of NMUG. My wife has been away for a few days. When she returned and booted up her MacBook all the files that had been on her desktop had vanished! The wallpaper was there as usual as was the MacHD icon but nothing else. What has happened? Where did everything go? Richard From paul at durrant.co.uk Mon May 17 08:14:23 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 08:14:23 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] blank desktop In-Reply-To: <449227.13179.qm@web24703.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <449227.13179.qm@web24703.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <39C8E31A-61BD-460D-86FB-D492B9C9DC00@durrant.co.uk> Does she have two accounts on the machine, and logged into the other one? regards, Paul On 17 May 2010, at 00:17, Richard Kelham wrote: > A little poser for the collective wisdom of NMUG. My wife has been > away for a few days. When she returned and booted up her MacBook all > the files that had been on her desktop had vanished! The wallpaper > was there as usual as was the MacHD icon but nothing else. What has > happened? Where did everything go? From simonroyal at live.co.uk Mon May 17 09:05:58 2010 From: simonroyal at live.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 09:05:58 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] blank desktop Message-ID: Hi Does OSX have such a thing as 'rebuilding desktop' from OS9 days. Simon -- http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - http://www.tinyurl.com/macspectrum (sent using Sony Ericsson P990i) From paul at durrant.co.uk Mon May 17 10:05:25 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 10:05:25 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] blank desktop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C41C630-8910-465C-9AF3-9D52DA8EB359@durrant.co.uk> The closest equivalent is to rebuild the Launch Services Database. Note that this will reset any global changes you've made as to which application launches a particular file name extension. There isn't a built-in method, as far as I know, but there are plenty of utility programs that will do it, or instructions on the web as to how it can be done through the command line. Make sure the utility or instructions match your version of Mac OS X. regards, Paul On 17 May 2010, at 09:05, Simon Royal wrote: > > Does OSX have such a thing as 'rebuilding desktop' from OS9 days. From macman at f2s.com Mon May 17 10:32:05 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 10:32:05 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] blank desktop In-Reply-To: <449227.13179.qm@web24703.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <449227.13179.qm@web24703.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <683E0CDC-6755-4C60-921D-25015D2AD2D1@f2s.com> I usually run Applejack for twisted knicker situations like this - if you're not used to it, it can look a bit scary the first time as it reverts to a black & white screen, but it has got me out of quite serious trouble several times. There are different versions for 10.4 and 10.5, but I'm not sure there is a Snow Leopard release. http://applejack.sourceforge.net/ http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/vt3/19596 ... and it's free .... Robbie A little poser for the collective wisdom of NMUG. My wife has been away for a few days. When she returned and booted up her MacBook all the files that had been on her desktop had vanished! The wallpaper was there as usual as was the MacHD icon but nothing else. What has happened? Where did everything go? Richard _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Robbie Murray 01603 620749 01603 516175 07882 007667 macman at f2s.com From paul at durrant.co.uk Mon May 17 10:36:16 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 10:36:16 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] blank desktop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3C6C8235-5C1E-4FD2-9DA8-6CAA54E4E3CA@durrant.co.uk> Just noticed that this was a comment on the blank desktop question. Rebuilding the Desktop had nothing to do with files that were on the desktop - it referred to the "Desktop" file(s) that kept track of file icons and which applications could launch which files. There's nothing in Mac OS X that I know about that would remove all files from the desktop. regards, Paul On 17 May 2010, at 09:05, Simon Royal wrote: > > Does OSX have such a thing as 'rebuilding desktop' from OS9 days. From cruachan.beatus at googlemail.com Mon May 17 17:12:55 2010 From: cruachan.beatus at googlemail.com (Campbell) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 17:12:55 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Advice about advertiser Message-ID: Hello All, An advertisement by The Norwich Computer Company, Edinburgh Road, gives what appears to be an attractive special offer to degunge/clean out and generally put an iMac back on the straight and narrow, { after years of largely ignorant mishandling,} for the sum of ?15 Has anyone out there taken advantage of the service and did it do the job? John From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com Mon May 17 17:31:09 2010 From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 17:31:09 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Advice about advertiser In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Edinburgh Road? That's my street but I would assume it is Joe Butler. Ruth On 17 May 2010, at 17:12, Campbell wrote: > Hello All, > An advertisement by The Norwich Computer Company, > Edinburgh > Road, gives what appears to be an attractive special offer to > degunge/clean > out and generally put an iMac back on the straight and narrow, > { after years > of largely ignorant mishandling,} for the sum of ?15 > > Has anyone out there taken advantage of the service > and did it > do the job? > John > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug > Ruth Murray ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com Ruth Murray Graphic Design and Illustration 01603 632334 Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net From simonroyal at live.co.uk Mon May 17 18:17:27 2010 From: simonroyal at live.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 18:17:27 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Advice about advertiser Message-ID: Ruth Yes that would be Joe. But I am pretty sure he is no longer at that address. Id be interested in what this service entails apart from possibly running Disk Utility or are we talking a physical clean? Simon --- http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - http://www.tinyurl.com/macspectrum (sent using Sony Ericsson P990i) From djr.massy at ntlworld.com Mon May 17 22:27:34 2010 From: djr.massy at ntlworld.com (DJR Massy) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 22:27:34 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Refurbished iMac and Applecare Message-ID: Hello, I am in the throes of considering an upgrade to my present Mac and wonder what, if any, are the downsides to purchasing a refurbished iMac from Apple and an Applecare plan from ebay? Taken together these could save quite a lot of money. I'm not in any great hurry, so I also wonder whether new iMac versions are likely in the near future. Any advice most welcome! Jim. From macman at f2s.com Mon May 17 23:08:46 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 23:08:46 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Refurbished iMac and Applecare In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1D0048D2-8CE2-4268-91BF-6198A2C90781@f2s.com> I've never had Applecare, but we always buy refurbs (iMac, Mini and Macbook Pro) and have never had a bad one. Robbie On 17 May 2010, at 22:27, DJR Massy wrote: Hello, I am in the throes of considering an upgrade to my present Mac and wonder what, if any, are the downsides to purchasing a refurbished iMac from Apple and an Applecare plan from ebay? Taken together these could save quite a lot of money. I'm not in any great hurry, so I also wonder whether new iMac versions are likely in the near future. Any advice most welcome! Jim. _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Robbie Murray 01603 620749 01603 516175 07882 007667 macman at f2s.com From ghowells at f2s.com Tue May 18 09:37:29 2010 From: ghowells at f2s.com (G.Howells) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 09:37:29 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Refurbished iMac and Applecare In-Reply-To: <1D0048D2-8CE2-4268-91BF-6198A2C90781@f2s.com> References: <1D0048D2-8CE2-4268-91BF-6198A2C90781@f2s.com> Message-ID: I've had two refurbs from Apple, and both have been satisfactory - unmarked and in good working order; though in a plain box rather than the usual one. When I got my iMac 24" Apple sold me Applecare as well and the whole lot came to less than a new iMac. Gordon. >I've never had Applecare, but we always buy refurbs (iMac, Mini and >Macbook Pro) and have never had a bad one. > >Robbie > > >On 17 May 2010, at 22:27, DJR Massy wrote: > >Hello, > >I am in the throes of considering an upgrade to my present Mac and >wonder what, if any, are the downsides to purchasing a refurbished >iMac from Apple and an Applecare plan from ebay? Taken together these >could save quite a lot of money. I'm not in any great hurry, so I >also wonder whether new iMac versions are likely in the near future. > >Any advice most welcome! > >Jim. > > >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > >Robbie Murray >01603 620749 >01603 516175 >07882 007667 >macman at f2s.com > >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From temp at sfppr.co.uk Tue May 18 09:53:44 2010 From: temp at sfppr.co.uk (Steve Forster) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 09:53:44 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Refurbished iMac and Applecare In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My last 2 Mac?s have been from the Apple refurb store and have been excellent. Some say they actually prefer to buy refurbs as they have been individually and thoroughly checked over by Apple engineers and so are much more likely to be problem free. Steve F From: DJR Massy Reply-To: Norwich Mac User Group list Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 22:27:34 +0100 To: Subject: [NMUG] Refurbished iMac and Applecare Hello, I am in the throes of considering an upgrade to my present Mac and wonder what, if any, are the downsides to purchasing a refurbished iMac from Apple and an Applecare plan from ebay? Taken together these could save quite a lot of money. I'm not in any great hurry, so I also wonder whether new iMac versions are likely in the near future. Any advice most welcome! Jim. _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From cruachan.beatus at googlemail.com Tue May 18 10:12:38 2010 From: cruachan.beatus at googlemail.com (Campbell) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 10:12:38 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Refurbished iMac and Applecare In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Jim, Although I haven't bought from Apple refurb, I have purchased their Applecare. Best thing I ever did. In the three years which the service runs, I phoned them 40 times [I gather] and the advice/assistance was impeccable,patient and long suffering, including the odd software difficulty which, strictly speaking, had nothing to do with Apple and really was not covered by the Plan. On the only occasion when telephone access was unsuccessful, the return to Apple, consultation whilst the engineer worked through the problem, replacement of parts and return to me, was all organised by the Apple contact and was as painless and trouble free as it was possible to be. He also chucked in an upgrade and a full electronic "valet" of the system. That was about four years ago but, assuming that the system is about the same, go for it. you'll sleep more soundly with one less thing to worry about. John On 17 May 2010 22:27, DJR Massy wrote: > Hello, > > I am in the throes of considering an upgrade to my present Mac and > wonder what, if any, are the downsides to purchasing a refurbished > iMac from Apple and an Applecare plan from ebay? Taken together these > could save quite a lot of money. I'm not in any great hurry, so I > also wonder whether new iMac versions are likely in the near future. > > Any advice most welcome! > > Jim. > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk Tue May 18 10:27:46 2010 From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 10:27:46 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Refurbished iMac and Applecare In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6953EF51-644B-400C-8D2A-14AB53B97A14@themagic.me.uk> A warning?I bought AppleCare on ebay and when the computer was replaced and I wanted to transfer the AppleCare I was told to take out a new agreement and they would refund balance on existing one. However they wanted to see original Apple receipt. I did get the refund without the receipt the first time but this time Apple are being stubborn. Anthony > From simonroyal at live.co.uk Tue May 18 17:04:06 2010 From: simonroyal at live.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 17:04:06 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] OT: Laptop Wanted Message-ID: Hi I know this is slightly off topic, so please could you reply direct rather than through the group. Does anyone have a laptop going spare or for sale? As you can see from my footer my current machines are slightly older. the ThinkPad is only a Pentium 2 300Mhz. A 500Mhz P2 or P3 laptop would suffice or a TiBook 400/500Mhz. I quite like my iBook - although my wife seems to have claimed it and I have grown very partial to Xubuntu of late. If you can help let me know. Simon Royal --- Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - LowEndMac: http://tinyurl.com/macspectrum - Skype: Simon-Royal. --- IBM ThinkPad 600 running Xubuntu 10.04 & Apple iBook G3 running OSX 10.4. _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Tue May 18 18:28:11 2010 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 18:28:11 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Laptop Message-ID: <5A8EFDD3-3085-41C4-A66C-5C3B8348E07C@virgin.net> I hate to swear on an nmug email, but I have a PC laptop for sale in case anyone know any mad people on the dark side who might be interested. I bought it a few years ago to run some art programs but hated it so much I never used it and bought my Macbook pro instead. My wife played with it for about six months and then it got put away and forgotten about until now and for is now sale in the Norwich ad trader mag at present Details are: > > > HP PAVILLION ZE 5705 > 40 GIG H/DRIVE > 192 MEG RAM > 2080 GHZ > A FEW YEARS OLD BUT ONLY USED FOR ABOUT 6 MONTHS BEFORE I BOUGHT MY > MACPRO ( I HATE PC'S) > > I have it for sale at only ?99.00 although it cost me ?700 at the > time! Martin Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com From homestuff49 at googlemail.com Tue May 18 19:04:04 2010 From: homestuff49 at googlemail.com (alan stephen) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 19:04:04 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Restoring Old B/W Photos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Steven If you're hoping to get the damaged originals conserved - and if the 'patina' is an ammonia thiosulphate 'fixer' problem then it will get worse if not tackled - you might check out Ian Moor's Centre for Photo Conservation on http://www.cpc.moor.dial.pipex.com/ Ian is a highly experienced conservator who, i understand, works for national museums and is a very good bloke to deal with. It should be well worth a phone call. Another outfit worth knowing about is archival materials suppliers Secol at Thetford: http://www.secol.co.uk/ these folk supply all sorts of acid-free photo storage materials - ordinary paper and plastics exude nasty chemicals which will carry on damaging you historic prints. Again, they're very helpful people in my experience. hope this is useful! Alan On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Steven Jefferson wrote: > I have just scanned 200 old black and white prints dating back to 1910 > which I have been granted temporary permission to hold while I scan them. > > They are all taken from glass plates and are in varying condition. > > I have scanned them at 1200 dpi and saved as 16 bit tiffs. I intend keeping > the originals scanned without alteration as a baseline. > > Damage varies from physical, edges, creases, emulsion damage, fading to > horror of horrors, the silver leaching out leaving that horrible patina. > > Anyone had experience of restoring such items. > > These are pretty special, being of early UK and US aviators including the > Wright brothers, as well as period aeroplanes. > > Steven Jefferson > steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Tue May 18 20:46:53 2010 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 20:46:53 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] finder Message-ID: <36F3E39D-E97A-4EEE-8051-BE0A215C0086@virgin.net> Can anyone tell me why my finder closes every time after ejecting a ext H/Drive or CD. I am burning 40 + CD's and its annoying! Martin Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com From penguinsplj at me.com Tue May 18 21:14:40 2010 From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman) Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 21:14:40 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] finder In-Reply-To: <36F3E39D-E97A-4EEE-8051-BE0A215C0086@virgin.net> References: <36F3E39D-E97A-4EEE-8051-BE0A215C0086@virgin.net> Message-ID: On May 18, 2010, at 20:46, Martin Fry wrote: > > > Can anyone tell me why my finder closes every time after ejecting a > ext H/Drive or CD. Probably because the window opened due to the disc so when it is ejected the computer thinks it's not needed any more. I know what you mean and I keep a second window open in those cases which doesn't automatically close. Paul C From marydaykin at mac.com Wed May 19 15:41:54 2010 From: marydaykin at mac.com (Mary Daykin) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 15:41:54 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Microsoft Word for Mac Message-ID: <2808C8C5-0E3A-4E5E-B56B-0348309480D1@mac.com> Hi My daughter has to number pages of a project 1 of 20 etc on each page. I know how to number them but not showing of how many pages. Could someone help please. Thanks Mary From paul at durrant.co.uk Wed May 19 15:51:04 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 15:51:04 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Microsoft Word for Mac In-Reply-To: <2808C8C5-0E3A-4E5E-B56B-0348309480D1@mac.com> References: <2808C8C5-0E3A-4E5E-B56B-0348309480D1@mac.com> Message-ID: <67FBEBC5-EFE1-4306-B8F4-CA5D9D8E37D2@durrant.co.uk> The simplest is Insert:AutoText:Header/Footer:Page X of Y There are other options, such as Insert/Field..., using Document Info and Number of Pages. regards, Paul On 19 May 2010, at 15:41, Mary Daykin wrote: > Hi > My daughter has to number pages of a project 1 of 20 etc on each > page. I know how to number them but not showing of how many pages. > Could someone help please. > From djr.massy at ntlworld.com Wed May 19 17:28:26 2010 From: djr.massy at ntlworld.com (DJR Massy) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 17:28:26 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Refurbished iMac and Applecare In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9A631F62-48E8-44D9-8A8D-A56E8D1D0A25@ntlworld.com> Many thanks to the five people who responded. It seems that "refurbs" are fine, but ebay Applecare can be dubious. Thanks, Jim. ====================================== On 18 May 2010, at 12:00, nmug-request at nmug.org.uk wrote: > I am in the throes of considering an upgrade to my present Mac and > wonder what, if any, are the downsides to purchasing a refurbished > iMac from Apple and an Applecare plan from ebay? Taken together these > could save quite a lot of money. I'm not in any great hurry, so I > also wonder whether new iMac versions are likely in the near future. > > Any advice most welcome! > > Jim. From karlhortt at me.com Wed May 19 17:41:46 2010 From: karlhortt at me.com (Karl Hortt) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 17:41:46 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Refurbished iMac and Applecare In-Reply-To: <9A631F62-48E8-44D9-8A8D-A56E8D1D0A25@ntlworld.com> References: <9A631F62-48E8-44D9-8A8D-A56E8D1D0A25@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <15E0F55B-75E6-421E-8BBF-FFEC252C78E4@me.com> Hi there , I have bought 2 applecare packages on Ebay ( Just check out the sellers feedback ! ) I have checked with Apple and they are fine and the items fully covered I would never pay full price for applecare again !! regards Karl On 19 May 2010, at 17:28, DJR Massy wrote: > Many thanks to the five people who responded. It seems that "refurbs" > are fine, but ebay Applecare can be dubious. > > Thanks, > > Jim. > ====================================== > On 18 May 2010, at 12:00, nmug-request at nmug.org.uk wrote: > >> I am in the throes of considering an upgrade to my present Mac and >> wonder what, if any, are the downsides to purchasing a refurbished >> iMac from Apple and an Applecare plan from ebay? Taken together these >> could save quite a lot of money. I'm not in any great hurry, so I >> also wonder whether new iMac versions are likely in the near future. >> >> Any advice most welcome! >> >> Jim. > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ricnev at mac.com Wed May 19 18:25:21 2010 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 18:25:21 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Refurbished iMac and Applecare In-Reply-To: <15E0F55B-75E6-421E-8BBF-FFEC252C78E4@me.com> References: <9A631F62-48E8-44D9-8A8D-A56E8D1D0A25@ntlworld.com> <15E0F55B-75E6-421E-8BBF-FFEC252C78E4@me.com> Message-ID: <4B32CC42-252D-4FCF-B60D-80C9F2EAB965@mac.com> On 19 May 2010, at 17:41, Karl Hortt wrote: > > > Hi there , > > I have bought 2 applecare packages on Ebay > > ( Just check out the sellers feedback ! ) A word of caution here - I was once scammed on eBay even though the seller's feedback and selling history appeared to be impeccable over seemingly 3 years of trading - about 200 outwardly intelligent people were stung for a few hundred pounds each! (I did get my money back from eBay, though). > > I have checked with Apple and they are fine and the items fully covered Again, there have been reports of people who checked positive with Apple when they first bought their eBay Applecare, only to experience problems when they eventually needed to make a claim. There is a finite risk with buying Applecare via eBay - some may be OK, others might have problems. It all depends what price you put on the certainty of having a direct relationship with Apple for your Applecare insurance cover. > > I would never pay full price for applecare again !! The full Applecare price is a reasonable deal when you look at what you might have to pay if you don't have cover and things go wrong. Apple price products appropriately for their market. > > regards > > Karl > > > > On 19 May 2010, at 17:28, DJR Massy wrote: > >> Many thanks to the five people who responded. It seems that "refurbs" >> are fine, but ebay Applecare can be dubious. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jim. >> ====================================== >> On 18 May 2010, at 12:00, nmug-request at nmug.org.uk wrote: >> >>> I am in the throes of considering an upgrade to my present Mac and >>> wonder what, if any, are the downsides to purchasing a refurbished >>> iMac from Apple and an Applecare plan from ebay? Taken together these >>> could save quite a lot of money. I'm not in any great hurry, so I >>> also wonder whether new iMac versions are likely in the near future. >>> >>> Any advice most welcome! >>> >>> Jim. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From brian at clearlight.uk.net Wed May 19 19:16:14 2010 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 19:16:14 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Refurbished iMac and Applecare In-Reply-To: <9A631F62-48E8-44D9-8A8D-A56E8D1D0A25@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: Yep - I wasted money on an ebay applecare - though Apple don't seem to pick on everyone - but can require proof of purchase at a later date even after its gone through. Just make sure to get a box - or the serial no AND reg no. regards Brian DJR Massy said recently: > Many thanks to the five people who responded. It seems that "refurbs" > are fine, but ebay Applecare can be dubious. > > Thanks, > > Jim. > ====================================== > On 18 May 2010, at 12:00, nmug-request at nmug.org.uk wrote: > >> I am in the throes of considering an upgrade to my present Mac and >> wonder what, if any, are the downsides to purchasing a refurbished >> iMac from Apple and an Applecare plan from ebay? Taken together these >> could save quite a lot of money. I'm not in any great hurry, so I >> also wonder whether new iMac versions are likely in the near future. >> >> Any advice most welcome! >> >> Jim. > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com Wed May 19 22:11:40 2010 From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 22:11:40 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Microsoft Word for Mac In-Reply-To: <2808C8C5-0E3A-4E5E-B56B-0348309480D1@mac.com> References: <2808C8C5-0E3A-4E5E-B56B-0348309480D1@mac.com> Message-ID: <420735C7-5B22-48B3-910A-54930DC93B7C@ntlworld.com> Try double clicking in the footer of the page, which opens a bar then second from right for page number (space or word "of") the third from left for number of pages. On 19 May 2010, at 15:41, Mary Daykin wrote: > Hi > My daughter has to number pages of a project 1 of 20 etc on each > page. I know how to number them but not showing of how many pages. > Could someone help please. > Thanks > Mary > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From richard_kelham at yahoo.co.uk Wed May 19 23:44:01 2010 From: richard_kelham at yahoo.co.uk (Richard Kelham) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 22:44:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [NMUG] blank desktop In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <763987.76784.qm@web24702.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi ~Guys Thanks for your suggestions. Like Paul I'd wondered whether it had somehow booted into another account ? but there is no other account on that machine, and all her other files were present as usual. I've not found anything like the old "desktop rebuild" facility. She says (now) that there was nothing of earth-shattering importance there but it is still puzzling. And a bit worrying. I might yet drag it off to the Apple store the next time I go to Norwich in the daylight. I have a niggle with my iPhone that they can sort at the same time! Cheers Richard From tech at robbiemurray.com Thu May 20 11:54:42 2010 From: tech at robbiemurray.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 11:54:42 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Test: please ignore .... Message-ID: <1FE4FFD0-5239-42FC-ACD0-6E2817940F71@robbiemurray.com> So who peeked? Robbie :-) From tom at tomkershaw.com Thu May 20 12:21:19 2010 From: tom at tomkershaw.com (Tom Kershaw) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 12:21:19 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Refurbished iMac and Applecare In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BF51B2F.5000902@tomkershaw.com> I'm not sure I understand through what mechanism can eBay merchants legitimately supply Applecare (a packaged service) at lower cost than Apple? Tom Brian Steere wrote: > Yep - I wasted money on an ebay applecare - though Apple don't seem to pick > on everyone - but can require proof of purchase at a later date even after > its gone through. Just make sure to get a box - or the serial no AND reg no. > regards > Brian > > > DJR Massy said recently: > > >> Many thanks to the five people who responded. It seems that "refurbs" >> are fine, but ebay Applecare can be dubious. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jim. >> ====================================== >> On 18 May 2010, at 12:00, nmug-request at nmug.org.uk wrote: >> >> >>> I am in the throes of considering an upgrade to my present Mac and >>> wonder what, if any, are the downsides to purchasing a refurbished >>> iMac from Apple and an Applecare plan from ebay? Taken together these >>> could save quite a lot of money. I'm not in any great hurry, so I >>> also wonder whether new iMac versions are likely in the near future. >>> >>> Any advice most welcome! >>> >>> Jim. >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From brian at clearlight.uk.net Thu May 20 12:35:05 2010 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 12:35:05 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Refurbished iMac and Applecare In-Reply-To: <4BF51B2F.5000902@tomkershaw.com> Message-ID: Nor me - unless they are selling the numbers to more than one customer? Though I'd have thought this would flag up on Apple's registration database. And feedback on the seller would be poor. (This wasn't so for the seller of my last eBay AppleCare). Apple - in my case - dissallowed my last such purchase - but seemed very unconcerned that they were on sale via eBay. Perhaps they convert most dissallowed customers to full AppleCare sales. My seller did give me another number - but Apple wouldn't restore my capacity to be able to enter it - without a receipt or serial no. I've hardly ever used AppleCare services - they are just a hardware insurance that has never been needed - for me. all the best Brian > From: Tom Kershaw > Reply-To: "nmug at nmug.org.uk" > Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 12:21:19 +0100 > To: "nmug at nmug.org.uk" > Subject: Re: [NMUG] Refurbished iMac and Applecare > > I'm not sure I understand through what mechanism can eBay merchants > legitimately supply Applecare (a packaged service) at lower cost than Apple? > > Tom > > Brian Steere wrote: >> Yep - I wasted money on an ebay applecare - though Apple don't seem to pick >> on everyone - but can require proof of purchase at a later date even after >> its gone through. Just make sure to get a box - or the serial no AND reg no. >> regards >> Brian >> >> >> DJR Massy said recently: >> >> >>> Many thanks to the five people who responded. It seems that "refurbs" >>> are fine, but ebay Applecare can be dubious. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Jim. >>> ====================================== >>> On 18 May 2010, at 12:00, nmug-request at nmug.org.uk wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I am in the throes of considering an upgrade to my present Mac and >>>> wonder what, if any, are the downsides to purchasing a refurbished >>>> iMac from Apple and an Applecare plan from ebay? Taken together these >>>> could save quite a lot of money. I'm not in any great hurry, so I >>>> also wonder whether new iMac versions are likely in the near future. >>>> >>>> Any advice most welcome! >>>> >>>> Jim. >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: >>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From tech at robbiemurray.com Thu May 20 14:08:44 2010 From: tech at robbiemurray.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 14:08:44 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Refurbished iMac and Applecare In-Reply-To: <4BF51B2F.5000902@tomkershaw.com> References: <4BF51B2F.5000902@tomkershaw.com> Message-ID: <3B75120B-7C44-4956-92B6-CDED14B8758A@robbiemurray.com> Maybe they're less greedy? If Apple is happy to supply 3rd Party Vendors, then obviously they're buying at a wholesale discount, and if there's no caveat that they must sell at the same price as Apple, (or the government of the country of origin forbids such fixing), then they may well be free to sell at whatever price they choose. We have bought a large number of Filemaker Licences from US 3rd Party vendors at substantial discounts to the official FIlemaker price (and Filemaker is an Apple owned company) Or maybe there's a grey market - legitimate copies intended for other countries. eBay is a real pain for legitimate traders - we are 100% kosher in everything we do, but are constantly being told much of our merchandise can be found much cheaper there, which is absolutely true, and if we were to operate out of a lock up without being VAT registered or paying taxes , National Insurance, Rates, employers and public liability and the raft of other costs required for 21st century 'compliance', we could sell much cheaper too, and probably be a lot more profitable. The trouble is that our suppliers are selling to these people Ho hum V Meldrew ... On 20 May 2010, at 12:21, Tom Kershaw wrote: I'm not sure I understand through what mechanism can eBay merchants legitimately supply Applecare (a packaged service) at lower cost than Apple? Tom From brian at clearlight.uk.net Thu May 20 14:56:31 2010 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 14:56:31 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Refurbished iMac and Applecare In-Reply-To: <3B75120B-7C44-4956-92B6-CDED14B8758A@robbiemurray.com> Message-ID: Well many of them will not supply a receipt - too much 'work' for such a low price. I don't like it that Apple make it possible for such an unclear situation as eBay AppleCare proves to be. They could simply insist on both numbers for registering it - and sellers would have to supply both numbers to in fact sell a product. I expect that as people lose their jobs, there will be more augmented subsistence activity - where people try to sell whatever via eBay or similar to supplement their income. I don't know how big your business is - but if it is important as a customer to these suppliers you speak of then you could make a strong case for differential rates - assuming you buy in a larger quantities. I'd like the domestic and micro economy to be deregulated and encouraged - as well as the macro economy to become truly accountable - oh yeah - and for our planet to become a joyful place... (Though I'm not waiting on everyone else for the latter). all the best Brian > From: Robbie Murray > Reply-To: "nmug at nmug.org.uk" > Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 14:08:44 +0100 > To: "nmug at nmug.org.uk" > Subject: Re: [NMUG] Refurbished iMac and Applecare > > Maybe they're less greedy? > > If Apple is happy to supply 3rd Party Vendors, then obviously they're > buying at a wholesale discount, and if there's no caveat that they > must sell at the same price as Apple, (or the government of the > country of origin forbids such fixing), then they may well be free to > sell at whatever price they choose. > > We have bought a large number of Filemaker Licences from US 3rd Party > vendors at substantial discounts to the official FIlemaker price (and > Filemaker is an Apple owned company) > > Or maybe there's a grey market - legitimate copies intended for other > countries. > > eBay is a real pain for legitimate traders - we are 100% kosher in > everything we do, but are constantly being told much of our > merchandise can be found much cheaper there, which is absolutely true, > and if we were to operate out of a lock up without being VAT > registered or paying taxes , National Insurance, Rates, employers and > public liability and the raft of other costs required for 21st > century 'compliance', we could sell much cheaper too, and probably be > a lot more profitable. The trouble is that our suppliers are selling > to these people > > Ho hum > > V Meldrew ... > > > > > On 20 May 2010, at 12:21, Tom Kershaw wrote: > > I'm not sure I understand through what mechanism can eBay merchants > legitimately supply Applecare (a packaged service) at lower cost than > Apple? > > Tom > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From tech at robbiemurray.com Thu May 20 15:05:42 2010 From: tech at robbiemurray.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:05:42 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Refurbished iMac and Applecare In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We certainly do buy at the best terms, Brian, but we have suppliers who run with the hare and the hound - last year I had one bemoaning the fact that someone was undercutting his own direct retail price on his website. When I asked him where they were getting the goods, he replied that he was supplying them. Work that one out .... :-) Robbie On 20 May 2010, at 14:56, Brian Steere wrote: I don't know how big your business is - but if it is important as a customer to these suppliers you speak of then you could make a strong case for differential rates - assuming you buy in a larger quantities. From simonroyal at live.co.uk Thu May 20 21:14:16 2010 From: simonroyal at live.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 21:14:16 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Windows Live IMAP Message-ID: Hi. I currently use Windows Live and GMX for my mail providers. I like them both as they are free and have webmail for when I am not home. GMX supports IMAP, great for switching between my Mac, my ThinkPad and my mobile but I cant find out if Windows Live does. I know it supports POP3, does anyone know if it does. Simon -- http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - http://www.tinyurl.com/macspectrum (sent using Sony Ericsson P990i) From brian at clearlight.uk.net Thu May 20 21:37:47 2010 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 21:37:47 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Refurbished iMac and Applecare In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well that's easy, Robbie! Sell to public at retail price and to trade at discount price. If traders sold with less markup than the discounted amount then they undercut the supplier - to the public. Used to happen to me occasionally when I ran a craft business. all the best Brian > From: Robbie Murray > Reply-To: "nmug at nmug.org.uk" > Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:05:42 +0100 > To: "nmug at nmug.org.uk" > Subject: Re: [NMUG] Refurbished iMac and Applecare > > We certainly do buy at the best terms, Brian, but we have suppliers > who run with the hare and the hound - last year I had one bemoaning > the fact that someone was undercutting his own direct retail price on > his website. When I asked him where they were getting the goods, he > replied that he was supplying them. > > Work that one out .... > > :-) > > > Robbie > > > > > On 20 May 2010, at 14:56, Brian Steere wrote: > > I don't know how big your business is - but if it is important as a > customer > to these suppliers you speak of then you could make a strong case for > differential rates - assuming you buy in a larger quantities. > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From brian at clearlight.uk.net Thu May 20 21:38:56 2010 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 21:38:56 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Windows Live IMAP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well you do for starters. ;-) I don't! regards Brian > From: Simon Royal > Reply-To: Simon Royal , "nmug at nmug.org.uk" > > Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 21:14:16 +0100 > To: "nmug at nmug.org.uk" > Subject: [NMUG] Windows Live IMAP > > I know it supports POP3, does anyone know if it does. From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk Fri May 21 09:14:35 2010 From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 09:14:35 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Genealogy software for Macs Message-ID: Hi, Does anyone know of some good Mac-friendly software for family tree work? Thanks, Ed From simon.gorton at virgin.net Fri May 21 09:23:58 2010 From: simon.gorton at virgin.net (Simon Gorton) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 09:23:58 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Genealogy software for Macs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Try ancestry.co.uk. There is only a charge if you use their search facilities. I have used it for my family and found it very easy. All the best Simon Sent from my iPhone On 21 May 2010, at 09:14, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: > Hi, > > Does anyone know of some good Mac-friendly software for family tree > work? > > Thanks, > > Ed > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Fri May 21 10:05:34 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 10:05:34 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Genealogy software for Macs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 21 May 2010, at 09:14, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: > Does anyone know of some good Mac-friendly software for family tree > work? Reunion http://www.leisterpro.com/ regards, Paul From richard_kelham at yahoo.co.uk Fri May 21 12:44:00 2010 From: richard_kelham at yahoo.co.uk (Richard Kelham) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 11:44:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [NMUG] genealogy software In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <280664.25639.qm@web24715.mail.ird.yahoo.com> I've been using SeeGEDCOMX ? it's shareware and described as work in progress but it is reasonably clutter-free. I've not tried the Ancestry software even though I'm a subscriber... http://www.eecs.qmul.ac.uk/~keithc/family-history/see-gedcom/ Richard ------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 09:14:35 +0100 From: Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn Subject: [NMUG] Genealogy software for Macs To: Norwich Mac User Group list Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, Does anyone know of some good Mac-friendly software for family tree work? Thanks, Ed ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug End of NMUG Digest, Vol 76, Issue 29 ************************************ From rrandlesome at mac.com Fri May 21 14:34:00 2010 From: rrandlesome at mac.com (Richard Randlesome) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 14:34:00 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] genealogy software In-Reply-To: <280664.25639.qm@web24715.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <280664.25639.qm@web24715.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <713EB8EA-3BA3-489A-9563-FDD659A3D4D0@mac.com> Hi Ed I have been using for a number of years a German program MacFamilyTree. http://www.synium.de/products/macfamilytree/index.html Regards Richard On 21 May 2010, at 12:44, Richard Kelham wrote: > I've been using SeeGEDCOMX ? it's shareware and described as work > in progress but it is reasonably clutter-free. I've not tried the > Ancestry software even though I'm a subscriber... > > http://www.eecs.qmul.ac.uk/~keithc/family-history/see-gedcom/ > > > > Richard > > > ------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 09:14:35 +0100 > From: Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn > Subject: [NMUG] Genealogy software for Macs > To: Norwich Mac User Group list > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi, > > Does anyone know of some good Mac-friendly software for family tree > work? > > Thanks, > > Ed > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug > > > End of NMUG Digest, Vol 76, Issue 29 > ************************************ > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug From ghowells at f2s.com Sat May 22 09:55:51 2010 From: ghowells at f2s.com (G.Howells) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 09:55:51 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Firefox strange experience! In-Reply-To: <2E077DF8-9594-4DD9-A55A-4D2CC4685ADE@f2s.com> References: <2E077DF8-9594-4DD9-A55A-4D2CC4685ADE@f2s.com> Message-ID: Hi everyone. Last evening I was attempting a search on firefox. When I had typed the 4th letter in the search box a loud jingle startied playing (like a mobile phone ring tone) for a few seconds and then there was a sound like a police car siren (the one with the rising frequency time after time - not the 2-tones) which went on and on. I couldn't get rid of this; quit and reopen friefox; trash firefox and download it again from the mozilla site, etc. This morning I went back to the iMac 2.16 GHz Intel on 10.6.3 and when I opened firefox all was well again. Any ideas? in case it happens again?! Gordon. From john at shrubberyfarm.co.uk Sat May 22 10:23:09 2010 From: john at shrubberyfarm.co.uk (John Garrett) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 10:23:09 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Firefox strange experience! In-Reply-To: References: <2E077DF8-9594-4DD9-A55A-4D2CC4685ADE@f2s.com> Message-ID: <0B477CCC-8931-4314-BE11-7F1388AD2D84@shrubberyfarm.co.uk> Try opening www.google.co.uk and clicking on "Insert Coin". I think that's what you must have triggered! Don't ask me the significance of it, tho. Cheers, John On 22/05/2010, at 09:55, G.Howells wrote: > Hi everyone. > > Last evening I was attempting a search on firefox. When I had > typed the 4th letter in the search box a loud jingle startied playing > (like a mobile phone ring tone) for a few seconds and then there was > a sound like a police car siren (the one with the rising > frequency time after time - not the 2-tones) which went on and on. From tech at robbiemurray.com Sat May 22 10:54:13 2010 From: tech at robbiemurray.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 10:54:13 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Firefox strange experience! In-Reply-To: References: <2E077DF8-9594-4DD9-A55A-4D2CC4685ADE@f2s.com> Message-ID: <22A7ED33-9778-458E-A981-92DDA02D437F@robbiemurray.com> Oh dear, you're too young to remember Pacman. I do feel old! Just don't click on 'Insert Coin" Robbie On 22 May 2010, at 09:55, G.Howells wrote: Hi everyone. Last evening I was attempting a search on firefox. When I had typed the 4th letter in the search box a loud jingle startied playing (like a mobile phone ring tone) for a few seconds and then there was a sound like a police car siren (the one with the rising frequency time after time - not the 2-tones) which went on and on. I couldn't get rid of this; quit and reopen friefox; trash firefox and download it again from the mozilla site, etc. This morning I went back to the iMac 2.16 GHz Intel on 10.6.3 and when I opened firefox all was well again. Any ideas? in case it happens again?! Gordon. _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From swimwire at googlemail.com Sat May 22 11:19:14 2010 From: swimwire at googlemail.com (Jack Webb-Heller) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 11:19:14 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Firefox strange experience! In-Reply-To: <22A7ED33-9778-458E-A981-92DDA02D437F@robbiemurray.com> References: <2E077DF8-9594-4DD9-A55A-4D2CC4685ADE@f2s.com> <22A7ED33-9778-458E-A981-92DDA02D437F@robbiemurray.com> Message-ID: <70915F02-0EE4-48E7-9C72-224732F4A886@googlemail.com> ManyFirefox users are reporting this issue. Check out the Gizmodo post here: http://gizmodo.com/5544804/the-spooky-pac+man-anniversary-coincidence It's not even necessarily because you clicked 'Insert Coin'. It may be to do with any extensions you have installed. Jack Sent from my iPod On 22 May 2010, at 10:54 AM, Robbie Murray wrote: > Just don't click on 'Insert Coin" From paul at durrant.co.uk Sat May 22 14:18:48 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 14:18:48 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Firefox strange experience! In-Reply-To: References: <2E077DF8-9594-4DD9-A55A-4D2CC4685ADE@f2s.com> Message-ID: <16AA7824-833B-4E85-ACB8-D07DCDDB3CFC@durrant.co.uk> It's sounds like Google's Pacman logo is a bit too complex for Firefox. They turned their logo into a complete, working, PacMan game. On 22 May 2010, at 09:55, G.Howells wrote: > Hi everyone. > > Last evening I was attempting a search on firefox. When I had > typed the 4th letter in the search box a loud jingle startied playing > (like a mobile phone ring tone) for a few seconds and then there was > a sound like a police car siren (the one with the rising > frequency time after time - not the 2-tones) which went on and on. I > couldn't get rid of this; quit and reopen friefox; trash firefox and > download it again from the mozilla site, etc. > > This morning I went back to the iMac 2.16 GHz Intel on 10.6.3 > and when I opened firefox all was well again. > > Any ideas? in case it happens again?! > > Gordon. > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From swimwire at googlemail.com Sat May 22 14:32:04 2010 From: swimwire at googlemail.com (Jack Webb-Heller) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 14:32:04 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Firefox strange experience! In-Reply-To: <16AA7824-833B-4E85-ACB8-D07DCDDB3CFC@durrant.co.uk> References: <2E077DF8-9594-4DD9-A55A-4D2CC4685ADE@f2s.com> <16AA7824-833B-4E85-ACB8-D07DCDDB3CFC@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <2C8EEB08-5D17-4EA3-8900-9A99F72880B3@googlemail.com> And - if you press 'Insert Coin' TWICE - it loads up Ms. Pac Man which you can play with your left hand using WASD! On 22 May 2010, at 14:18, Paul Durrant wrote: > It's sounds like Google's Pacman logo is a bit too complex for > Firefox. They turned their logo into a complete, working, PacMan game. Jack Webb-Heller personal: jack at jackwebbheller.com general: swimwire at googlemail.com http://jackwebbheller.com From ghowells at f2s.com Sat May 22 17:02:46 2010 From: ghowells at f2s.com (G.Howells) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 17:02:46 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Firefox strange experience! In-Reply-To: <2C8EEB08-5D17-4EA3-8900-9A99F72880B3@googlemail.com> References: <2E077DF8-9594-4DD9-A55A-4D2CC4685ADE@f2s.com> <16AA7824-833B-4E85-ACB8-D07DCDDB3CFC@durrant.co.uk> <2C8EEB08-5D17-4EA3-8900-9A99F72880B3@googlemail.com> Message-ID: Hi everyone. Thanks for all your responses. I've visited www.google.co.uk and seen the game, and also the information pages. I think I'm now au fait with the situation! I'm not too young to remember Pacman, Robbie - far from it!! But I didn't recognise the tune as it was accompanied by no images - only a blank screen. The sound just broke through the usual firefox screen and didn't show the "board game" version of the Google title page. Anyway, I'll know what to do if it happens again. Thanks again. An interesting experience! Best wishes, Gordon. From tech at robbiemurray.com Sat May 22 18:36:42 2010 From: tech at robbiemurray.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 18:36:42 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Firefox strange experience! In-Reply-To: References: <2E077DF8-9594-4DD9-A55A-4D2CC4685ADE@f2s.com> <16AA7824-833B-4E85-ACB8-D07DCDDB3CFC@durrant.co.uk> <2C8EEB08-5D17-4EA3-8900-9A99F72880B3@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <42DF4A0F-9760-4943-8D55-3FC5728D09AD@robbiemurray.com> Yes, it seems to have caused more consternation with Firefox, with PC dealers being inundated with 'I have a virus' calls. Opinion is divided: many (including me) think it's a great hoot, and an equal number seem to be livid. Can't win 'em all! (The one thing that hasn't been mentioned in any post I've seen is the mute button which was clearly visible when using Safari) Robbie On 22 May 2010, at 17:02, G.Howells wrote: Hi everyone. Thanks for all your responses. I've visited www.google.co.uk and seen the game, and also the information pages. I think I'm now au fait with the situation! I'm not too young to remember Pacman, Robbie - far from it!! But I didn't recognise the tune as it was accompanied by no images - only a blank screen. The sound just broke through the usual firefox screen and didn't show the "board game" version of the Google title page. Anyway, I'll know what to do if it happens again. Thanks again. An interesting experience! Best wishes, Gordon. _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From tammax at mac.com Sun May 23 11:01:38 2010 From: tammax at mac.com (Max Armishaw) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 11:01:38 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Firefox strange experience! In-Reply-To: References: <2E077DF8-9594-4DD9-A55A-4D2CC4685ADE@f2s.com> Message-ID: Same thing happened to me at the same time. On 22 May 2010, at 09:55, G.Howells wrote: > Hi everyone. > > Last evening I was attempting a search on firefox. When I had > typed the 4th letter in the search box a loud jingle startied playing > (like a mobile phone ring tone) for a few seconds and then there was > a sound like a police car siren (the one with the rising > frequency time after time - not the 2-tones) which went on and on. I > couldn't get rid of this; quit and reopen friefox; trash firefox and > download it again from the mozilla site, etc. > > This morning I went back to the iMac 2.16 GHz Intel on 10.6.3 > and when I opened firefox all was well again. > > Any ideas? in case it happens again?! > > Gordon. > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From penguinsplj at me.com Sun May 23 22:51:45 2010 From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 22:51:45 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] May meeting Message-ID: The next meeting will be on the 26th May 2010 that being the fourth Wednesday of the month. It will be held at The Quebec in a separate room from the bar and will be from 7.30. Quebec 93-97 Quebec Road Norwich NR1 4HY Here is a link to a map. See you all there Paul C From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk Mon May 24 09:50:38 2010 From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 09:50:38 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Genealogy software for Macs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <867ABCA2-097D-43FD-9928-38E3149AC849@mendelsohn.me.uk> Thank you everyone for your helpful advice regarding Genealogy software for Macs - I have passed the information onto a friend (who owns a PC) but wants to buy a gift for someone who uses a Mac. Thanks again. Ed From tech at robbiemurray.com Tue May 25 13:50:52 2010 From: tech at robbiemurray.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 13:50:52 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Free to a good home Message-ID: Apple 6GB 3.5" IDE PATA HD, donated by David Van Edwards Wiped, formatted (OSX Journalled Extended) & tested OK. Any Interest? Robbie From ken.arnoldi at talktalk.net Tue May 25 14:43:50 2010 From: ken.arnoldi at talktalk.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 14:43:50 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iPod Touch problem Message-ID: I can no longer send or delete mail (that is the App 'mail) on my iPod Touch. If I try to send I get the usual screen to insert 'To' and type message. But when I start to type, screen goes blank. Receiving is OK. If I try to delete messages, I can select and either put in trash or edit and delete. The messages disappear but then come back to the In box. I have checked settings in the 'Advance' options, but no adjustment fixes the problem. I haven't tried 'any of the 'resetting' options yet. All this is confined to the iPod - iMac is unaffected. Any ideas, please. Ken Arnoldi From swimwire at googlemail.com Tue May 25 17:51:01 2010 From: swimwire at googlemail.com (Jack Webb-Heller) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 17:51:01 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iPod Touch problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <299AA98A-7C86-4E5D-88DC-B2875AB37D29@googlemail.com> Firstly, which firmware version are you on? Is it the latest version? (3.1) - if not, you should update it as this may fix the problem. Have you tried Syncing since? If not, sync again. Let me know what happens and then you may need to do a restore. Jack On 25 May 2010, at 14:43, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > I can no longer send or delete mail (that is the App 'mail) on my iPod Touch. If I try to send I get the usual screen to insert 'To' and type message. > But when I start to type, screen goes blank. Receiving is OK. > If I try to delete messages, I can select and either put in trash or edit and delete. The messages disappear but then come back to the In box. > I have checked settings in the 'Advance' options, but no adjustment fixes the problem. I haven't tried 'any of the 'resetting' options yet. > All this is confined to the iPod - iMac is unaffected. > Any ideas, please. > > Ken Arnoldi > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Jack Webb-Heller personal: jack at jackwebbheller.com general: swimwire at googlemail.com http://jackwebbheller.com From ken.arnoldi at talktalk.net Tue May 25 20:01:06 2010 From: ken.arnoldi at talktalk.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 20:01:06 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iPod Touch Message-ID: <0184A923-1337-4C4C-AB96-81596F1EF102@talktalk.net> Thanks Jack, I have firmware 3.1.3 so it is the latest . But I did sync and have just done it again. No change, still can't delete or send, but received your advice on the iPod, but so far not on the iMac! A week ago I changed to talktalk (from Virgin), but I wouldn't expect that to be the problem. Ken Arnoldi From swimwire at googlemail.com Tue May 25 20:12:41 2010 From: swimwire at googlemail.com (Jack Webb-Heller) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 20:12:41 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iPod Touch In-Reply-To: <0184A923-1337-4C4C-AB96-81596F1EF102@talktalk.net> References: <0184A923-1337-4C4C-AB96-81596F1EF102@talktalk.net> Message-ID: <5504744E-F6EE-4AED-A6BC-636D4B1C8348@googlemail.com> Hi Ken, I've just had another thought. Plug your iPod into iTunes. Under the 'Devices' list, select your iPod. Next, click on the 'Info' tab. Next, scroll down to 'Advanced'. Finally, choose 'Replace Information on this iPod:' and put a tick beside 'Mail Accounts'. If that doesn't do the trick I would recommend a restore. As long as you take a backup first, you'll easily be able to keep all your data after the restore. Jack On 25 May 2010, at 20:01, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > Thanks Jack, > > I have firmware 3.1.3 so it is the latest . > But I did sync and have just done it again. > No change, still can't delete or send, but received your advice on the iPod, but so far not on the iMac! > A week ago I changed to talktalk (from Virgin), but I wouldn't expect that to be the problem. > > Ken Arnoldi > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Jack Webb-Heller personal: jack at jackwebbheller.com general: swimwire at googlemail.com http://jackwebbheller.com From david at vanedwards.co.uk Tue May 25 20:47:33 2010 From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 20:47:33 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Free to a good home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for that Robbie! See you soon, David >Apple 6GB 3.5" IDE PATA HD, donated by David Van Edwards > >Wiped, formatted (OSX Journalled Extended) & tested OK. > >Any Interest? > >Robbie > >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk From ken.arnoldi at talktalk.net Wed May 26 09:05:00 2010 From: ken.arnoldi at talktalk.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 09:05:00 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iPod Touch In-Reply-To: <5504744E-F6EE-4AED-A6BC-636D4B1C8348@googlemail.com> References: <0184A923-1337-4C4C-AB96-81596F1EF102@talktalk.net> <5504744E-F6EE-4AED-A6BC-636D4B1C8348@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <44E0EB97-A955-40D7-A8A4-93BB18FADD59@talktalk.net> Thanks again Jack, I didn't know so many options existed! However only a restore fixed the problem. I'm surprised that the fault doesn't get transferred with the backup. It didn't save all my settings and apps, but at least it works OK now. Ken On 25 May 2010, at 20:12, Jack Webb-Heller wrote: > Hi Ken, > > I've just had another thought. > > Plug your iPod into iTunes. Under the 'Devices' list, select your iPod. > Next, click on the 'Info' tab. > Next, scroll down to 'Advanced'. > Finally, choose 'Replace Information on this iPod:' and put a tick beside 'Mail Accounts'. > > If that doesn't do the trick I would recommend a restore. As long as you take a backup first, you'll easily be able to keep all your data after the restore. > > Jack From richard_kelham at yahoo.co.uk Wed May 26 14:18:54 2010 From: richard_kelham at yahoo.co.uk (Richard Kelham) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 13:18:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [NMUG] iPod touch mail probl Message-ID: <385058.93084.qm@web24704.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Oddly enough I have exactly the same problem on my iPhone. It works fine on web mail though. I'll try the routine as suggested. Thanks. Richard Sent from my iPhone On 26 May 2010, at 12:00, nmug-request at nmug.org.uk wrote: > Send NMUG mailing list submissions to > nmug at nmug.org.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nmug-request at nmug.org.uk > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nmug-owner at nmug.org.uk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of NMUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Free to a good home (Robbie Murray) > 2. iPod Touch problem (Ken Arnoldi) > 3. Re: iPod Touch problem (Jack Webb-Heller) > 4. iPod Touch (Ken Arnoldi) > 5. Re: iPod Touch (Jack Webb-Heller) > 6. Re: Free to a good home (David Van Edwards) > 7. Re: iPod Touch (Ken Arnoldi) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 13:50:52 +0100 > From: Robbie Murray > Subject: [NMUG] Free to a good home > To: Norwich Mac User Group list > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Apple 6GB 3.5" IDE PATA HD, donated by David Van Edwards > > Wiped, formatted (OSX Journalled Extended) & tested OK. > > Any Interest? > > Robbie > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 14:43:50 +0100 > From: Ken Arnoldi > Subject: [NMUG] iPod Touch problem > To: Norwich Mac User Group list > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I can no longer send or delete mail (that is the App 'mail) on my > iPod Touch. If I try to send I get the usual screen to insert 'To' > and type message. > But when I start to type, screen goes blank. Receiving is OK. > If I try to delete messages, I can select and either put in trash > or edit and delete. The messages disappear but then come back to the > In box. > I have checked settings in the 'Advance' options, but no adjustment > fixes the problem. I haven't tried 'any of the 'resetting' options > yet. > All this is confined to the iPod - iMac is unaffected. > Any ideas, please. > > Ken Arnoldi > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 17:51:01 +0100 > From: Jack Webb-Heller > Subject: Re: [NMUG] iPod Touch problem > To: Norwich Mac User Group list > Message-ID: <299AA98A-7C86-4E5D-88DC-B2875AB37D29 at googlemail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Firstly, which firmware version are you on? Is it the latest > version? (3.1) - if not, you should update it as this may fix the > problem. > > Have you tried Syncing since? If not, sync again. Let me know what > happens and then you may need to do a restore. > > Jack > > On 25 May 2010, at 14:43, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > >> I can no longer send or delete mail (that is the App 'mail) on my >> iPod Touch. If I try to send I get the usual screen to insert 'To' >> and type message. >> But when I start to type, screen goes blank. Receiving is OK. >> If I try to delete messages, I can select and either put in trash >> or edit and delete. The messages disappear but then come back to >> the In box. >> I have checked settings in the 'Advance' options, but no adjustment >> fixes the problem. I haven't tried 'any of the 'resetting' options >> yet. >> All this is confined to the iPod - iMac is unaffected. >> Any ideas, please. >> >> Ken Arnoldi >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > Jack Webb-Heller > personal: jack at jackwebbheller.com > general: swimwire at googlemail.com > http://jackwebbheller.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 20:01:06 +0100 > From: Ken Arnoldi > Subject: [NMUG] iPod Touch > To: Norwich Mac User Group list > Message-ID: <0184A923-1337-4C4C-AB96-81596F1EF102 at talktalk.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Thanks Jack, > > I have firmware 3.1.3 so it is the latest . > But I did sync and have just done it again. > No change, still can't delete or send, but received your advice on > the iPod, but so far not on the iMac! > A week ago I changed to talktalk (from Virgin), but I wouldn't > expect that to be the problem. > > Ken Arnoldi > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 20:12:41 +0100 > From: Jack Webb-Heller > Subject: Re: [NMUG] iPod Touch > To: Norwich Mac User Group list > Message-ID: <5504744E-F6EE-4AED-A6BC-636D4B1C8348 at googlemail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi Ken, > > I've just had another thought. > > Plug your iPod into iTunes. Under the 'Devices' list, select your > iPod. > Next, click on the 'Info' tab. > Next, scroll down to 'Advanced'. > Finally, choose 'Replace Information on this iPod:' and put a tick > beside 'Mail Accounts'. > > If that doesn't do the trick I would recommend a restore. As long as > you take a backup first, you'll easily be able to keep all your data > after the restore. > > Jack > > On 25 May 2010, at 20:01, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > >> Thanks Jack, >> >> I have firmware 3.1.3 so it is the latest . >> But I did sync and have just done it again. >> No change, still can't delete or send, but received your advice on >> the iPod, but so far not on the iMac! >> A week ago I changed to talktalk (from Virgin), but I wouldn't >> expect that to be the problem. >> >> Ken Arnoldi >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > Jack Webb-Heller > personal: jack at jackwebbheller.com > general: swimwire at googlemail.com > http://jackwebbheller.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 20:47:33 +0100 > From: David Van Edwards > Subject: Re: [NMUG] Free to a good home > To: Norwich Mac User Group list > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > Thanks for that Robbie! > > See you soon, > > David > > > > >> Apple 6GB 3.5" IDE PATA HD, donated by David Van Edwards >> >> Wiped, formatted (OSX Journalled Extended) & tested OK. >> >> Any Interest? >> >> Robbie >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > -- > The Smokehouse, > 6 Whitwell Road, > Norwich, NR1 4HB > England. > > Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 > Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 09:05:00 +0100 > From: Ken Arnoldi > Subject: Re: [NMUG] iPod Touch > To: Norwich Mac User Group list > Message-ID: <44E0EB97-A955-40D7-A8A4-93BB18FADD59 at talktalk.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Thanks again Jack, > > I didn't know so many options existed! > However only a restore fixed the problem. I'm surprised that the > fault doesn't get transferred with the backup. > It didn't save all my settings and apps, but at least it works OK now. > > Ken > On 25 May 2010, at 20:12, Jack Webb-Heller wrote: > >> Hi Ken, >> >> I've just had another thought. >> >> Plug your iPod into iTunes. Under the 'Devices' list, select your >> iPod. >> Next, click on the 'Info' tab. >> Next, scroll down to 'Advanced'. >> Finally, choose 'Replace Information on this iPod:' and put a tick >> beside 'Mail Accounts'. >> >> If that doesn't do the trick I would recommend a restore. As long >> as you take a backup first, you'll easily be able to keep all your >> data after the restore. >> >> Jack > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > End of NMUG Digest, Vol 76, Issue 34 > ************************************ From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Wed May 26 14:35:03 2010 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 14:35:03 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Deleting mail messages Message-ID: <5F829189-ADFD-441C-AB7D-D9AE15658747@virgin.net> Having just changed to BT internet with very few problems, but I have new 5 messages in my inbox that I wish to delete. I highlighted them and clicked delete ( as normal). The messages did not delete but just turned grey instead and now the delete button reads ' undelete'. Any ideas? Martin Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Wed May 26 14:39:06 2010 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 14:39:06 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] delete messages Message-ID: <945B360B-0601-4A43-B240-8BEEF1374958@virgin.net> OK!!! I sorted it I had the ' move deletes messages to another folder' checked, not realizing that the original stayed in place in the inbox. Martin Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com From marydaykin at mac.com Wed May 26 17:16:58 2010 From: marydaykin at mac.com (Mary Daykin) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 17:16:58 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Microsoft Word for Mac Message-ID: Just wanted to say thanks to Paul and Kerin for replying. For some reason the email went into my spam and I just found it this afternoon when I was checking before trashing. Thought nobody had replied ! Will have to start checking my spam folder more regularly ! Mary From ferrers_young at hotmail.com Wed May 26 23:29:01 2010 From: ferrers_young at hotmail.com (Ferrers Young) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 22:29:01 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Where is my exchange Message-ID: Hi, You can determine where your exchange is at http://www.broadband.co.uk/ Fill in your post code and telephone number under "Find me the best broadband package" then click on "Find me the best package" - this presents you with a Google map showing your home and the exchange. It tells me my "postcode area is 1.1km from the Thorpe exchange although the cable distance is likely to be longer." My virgin ?14.99 deal is currently very good, giving me a download speed of 3.9 Mb and upload of 0.7 Mb via the USB modem. : ) ? Cheers, Ferrers _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ From djr.massy at ntlworld.com Wed May 26 23:38:29 2010 From: djr.massy at ntlworld.com (DJR Massy) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 23:38:29 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] MouseWorks Background Message-ID: I've recently upgraded from Tiger to Leopard on my Power PC desktop G5, mostly without problems, but I now get the following message on start-up: "The application MouseWorks Background quit unexpectedly. Mac OS X and other applications are not affected. Click Relaunch to launch the application again. Click Report to see more details or send a report to Apple." From the lengthy and complex Report I can see that the path includes MouseWorks.prefPane and indeed there is a MouseWorks.prefPane in Library. But do I need it? If so, what should I do, as it will not launch on start-up? If I don't need it, can I just trash the prefPane to cure the annoying problem? I use a Wacom Graphire (ET) pad with mouse, and it's working fine in Leopard. Any comments or suggestions would be welcome. Thanks, Jim. From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu May 27 08:42:32 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 08:42:32 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Where is my exchange In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <145AC336-A33E-4545-89B1-C18C385EEDFF@durrant.co.uk> None of the comparison sites seem to list the Demon Internet offerings. It's worth checking them too - if you want something like a fixed IP address. www.demon.net regards, Paul On 26 May 2010, at 23:29, Ferrers Young wrote: > > Hi, > > You can determine where your exchange is at http:// > www.broadband.co.uk/ > > Fill in your post code and telephone number under "Find me the best > broadband package" then click on "Find me the best package" - this > presents you with a Google map showing your home and the exchange. > > It tells me my "postcode area is 1.1km from the Thorpe exchange > although the cable distance is likely to be longer." My virgin > ?14.99 deal is currently very good, giving me a download speed of > 3.9 Mb and upload of 0.7 Mb via the USB modem. : ) > > Cheers, > Ferrers > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From simonroyal at live.co.uk Thu May 27 09:21:30 2010 From: simonroyal at live.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 09:21:30 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] TiBook Wanted Message-ID: Hi Does anyone have an old TiBook gathering dust in a cupboard they would like to sell or donate :) I have an iBook G3 which my wife has claimed and would really like a G4 book. An early 400/500mhz model would be fine, it will run Leopard 'unofficially'. Cosmetic condition not important, if it is missing a few bits thats not too important I have some spares laying around. Regards Simon --- http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - http://www.tinyurl.com/macspectrum (sent using Sony Ericsson P990i) From munkt0n at gmail.com Thu May 27 09:42:41 2010 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 09:42:41 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] TiBook Wanted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: nope, but I do have a core duo Macbook pro for sale. bought in August 2006 2.0 Ghz Core Duo 2Gb Ram 80Gb HDD New battery bought just over a year ago original box + install DVDs ?300 o.n.o On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 9:21 AM, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi > > Does anyone have an old TiBook gathering dust in a cupboard they would like to sell or donate :) > > I have an iBook G3 which my wife has claimed and would really like a G4 book. > > An early 400/500mhz model would be fine, it will run Leopard 'unofficially'. > > Cosmetic condition not important, if it is missing a few bits thats not too important I have some spares laying around. > > > Regards > > Simon > > --- http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - http://www.tinyurl.com/macspectrum (sent using Sony Ericsson P990i) > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- :wq From tech at robbiemurray.com Thu May 27 09:50:05 2010 From: tech at robbiemurray.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 09:50:05 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Where is my exchange In-Reply-To: <145AC336-A33E-4545-89B1-C18C385EEDFF@durrant.co.uk> References: <145AC336-A33E-4545-89B1-C18C385EEDFF@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <9226908B-F637-4380-A2FE-92DB69766962@robbiemurray.com> Comparison sites really are a jungle, since they're unlikely to list providers who decline to cross their palm with silver, and finding a straightforward, unbiased, comprehensive source of information isn't easy. What is 'The Best Package'? Price is only part of the offer for me, as more than anything I require reliability, generous download limits and above all, no throttling (the comparison sites don't tell you about that one!) I have found this with Zen, Namesco and recently PlusNet, although I did drop a clanger with them when I unthinkingly went for a basic service, forgetting altogether that all of our addresses require a fixed IP in order to charge credit cards. (They did, however, upgrade it immediately when I realised my mistake, proving that prompt & efficient service is possible, even from a very low cost provider) I've always depended upon what was ADSLGuide as a good source of information, which I believe is unbiased, and the league tables are updated monthly based on user reports - http://www.thinkbroadband.com/ We had a bit of good news yesterday from Zen: they're doubling their download allowance, and upgrading to ADSL2 whenever exchanges are enabled, all without any increase in charges. I may be wrong, but with the demise of Tiscali, I hear fewer and fewer horror stories as time goes on: maybe the industry is finally getting its act together .... Robbie On 27 May 2010, at 08:42, Paul Durrant wrote: None of the comparison sites seem to list the Demon Internet offerings. It's worth checking them too - if you want something like a fixed IP address. www.demon.net regards, Paul On 26 May 2010, at 23:29, Ferrers Young wrote: > > Hi, > > You can determine where your exchange is at http:// > www.broadband.co.uk/ > > Fill in your post code and telephone number under "Find me the best > broadband package" then click on "Find me the best package" - this > presents you with a Google map showing your home and the exchange. From ken.arnoldi at talktalk.net Thu May 27 10:12:59 2010 From: ken.arnoldi at talktalk.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 10:12:59 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] VNC Message-ID: <0F8C8152-6272-4345-9C1C-E4C491DFA2FC@talktalk.net> At the meeting last night we were 'playing' with the intriguing app VNC. Can someone pleased tell me how to set it up. I still had 'Paul' on the 'Host List' (now deleted!), but don't know what settings would be appropriate for my setup, i.e VNC Server IP address, VNC Server Port etc. Ken Arnoldi From simonroyal at live.co.uk Thu May 27 10:33:25 2010 From: simonroyal at live.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 10:33:25 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] User Accounts, Browsers and Settings Message-ID: Hi. My wife and I share a computer from time to time. Because of login details like eBay, Windows Live and Yahoo to name a few of which we both have seperate accounts so far we have been using different browsers. My wife uses Firefox and I use Safari. However, I want to start using Firefox again and I know it can store multiple account settings for the same sites, but it would mean logging out of one and into the others everytime. Therefore, my question is, if I was to set up a completely new login so both my wife and I had seperate user accounts in Tiger and both used Firefox as our browser, would it remember her settings and site login details when I was logged into my user account or would both accounts have seperate preference files? Would this also stretch to all apps and OSX preferences too. In all the years I have used OSX I have never ran multiple user accounts. Simon -- http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - http://www.tinyurl.com/macspectrum (sent using Sony Ericsson P990i) From simonroyal at live.co.uk Thu May 27 10:35:50 2010 From: simonroyal at live.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 10:35:50 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] TiBook Wanted Message-ID: Scott Thanks but its way out of my price range and a bit of an overkill for my simple browsing and writing needs. Simon --- http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - http://www.tinyurl.com/macspectrum (sent using Sony Ericsson P990i) From simonroyal at live.co.uk Thu May 27 10:37:53 2010 From: simonroyal at live.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 10:37:53 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] VNC Message-ID: Hi I had a brief moment of using VNC software to keep an eye on my kids upstairs a few years ago. I used Chicken Of The VNC. It was quite easy to set up and use. Simon --- http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - http://www.tinyurl.com/macspectrum (sent using Sony Ericsson P990i) From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu May 27 11:46:06 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 11:46:06 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] NTFS disk format and Mac OS X Message-ID: Hi All, The question of the best disk format for cross-platform compatibility was raised at the meeting. I thought that perhaps Mac OS X 10.5 or 10.6 had read/write for NTFS built in. Not so - NTFS support is still read-only. There are third-party NTFS drivers that give read/write access, e.g. Paragon Software's NTFS for Mac OS X: http://www.paragon-software.com/home/ntfs-mac/ FAT-32 is the only file format that both Windows and Mac OS X can both read/write. Unfortunately, it isn't good for very big disks. Although it can theoretically handle disks up to 8TB, in practice it's best not to use it on disks bigger than 128GB, and for some Windows versions, larger than 32GB. regards, Paul From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu May 27 11:55:56 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 11:55:56 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] VNC In-Reply-To: <0F8C8152-6272-4345-9C1C-E4C491DFA2FC@talktalk.net> References: <0F8C8152-6272-4345-9C1C-E4C491DFA2FC@talktalk.net> Message-ID: <666F1A6F-0C52-4330-B3A5-AD3F7096CE5D@durrant.co.uk> On your Mac, go to System Preferences/Sharing. Check the check box next to "Screen Sharing". Highlight "Screen Sharing". Click on the "Computer Settings..." button in the screen sharing tab. In the dialog that pops up, check the "VNC viewers may control screen with password" and enter a password. On your iPod Touch/iPhone, you Mac should now appear in the list of available devices when you click on the button to the right of the IP Address field. Secelect you Mac. Leave the port number at the default. Enter the password you entered above on your Mac in the Password field. You should now be able to connect. regards, Paul On 27 May 2010, at 10:12, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > At the meeting last night we were 'playing' with the intriguing app > VNC. > Can someone pleased tell me how to set it up. I still had 'Paul' on > the 'Host List' > (now deleted!), but don't know what settings would be appropriate > for my setup, i.e VNC Server IP address, > VNC Server Port etc. > From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu May 27 11:58:02 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 11:58:02 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] User Accounts, Browsers and Settings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3CD915E7-3494-4E78-A45A-B6F577BB50B1@durrant.co.uk> Yes. It will all work as if you had separate machines. All user preferences are stored in the home folder, which are different for different user accounts. Enable fast user switching, and you won't even need to log out/login - just switch from one user to another, entering the user password when switching. regards, Paul On 27 May 2010, at 10:33, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi. > > My wife and I share a computer from time to time. > > Because of login details like eBay, Windows Live and Yahoo to name a > few of which we both have seperate accounts so far we have been > using different browsers. > > My wife uses Firefox and I use Safari. However, I want to start > using Firefox again and I know it can store multiple account > settings for the same sites, but it would mean logging out of one > and into the others everytime. > > Therefore, my question is, if I was to set up a completely new login > so both my wife and I had seperate user accounts in Tiger and both > used Firefox as our browser, would it remember her settings and site > login details when I was logged into my user account or would both > accounts have seperate preference files? > > Would this also stretch to all apps and OSX preferences too. In all > the years I have used OSX I have never ran multiple user accounts. From ken.arnoldi at talktalk.net Thu May 27 12:04:47 2010 From: ken.arnoldi at talktalk.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 12:04:47 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] VNC In-Reply-To: <666F1A6F-0C52-4330-B3A5-AD3F7096CE5D@durrant.co.uk> References: <0F8C8152-6272-4345-9C1C-E4C491DFA2FC@talktalk.net> <666F1A6F-0C52-4330-B3A5-AD3F7096CE5D@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Thanks Paul, Got as far as (below) but how do I get 'available devices' to show"? Ken On 27 May 2010, at 11:55, Paul Durrant wrote: > On your iPod Touch/iPhone, you Mac should now appear in the list of > available devices when you click on the button to the right of the IP > Address field. Secelect you Mac. Leave the port number at the default. > Enter the password you entered above on your Mac in the Password field. From fowler.j at mac.com Thu May 27 12:36:47 2010 From: fowler.j at mac.com (Jonathan Fowler) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 12:36:47 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iPad Message-ID: <3BFCCF77-2FC5-4259-A26F-42105A43A58C@mac.com> Hi all NMUGgers. For anybody that may be interested, the iPad will go on sale at 8am tomorrow morning at my Apple SiS inside PC World. We are the same price as direct from apple. I have a substantial amount of stock across all models but do expect to sell out before Monday. I cannot hold one for anybody but do feel free to come and see me should you want to either see or purchase one. Another reason for Apple to have become the biggest Market cap of computer companies (announced today that we have exceeded Microsoft!) Jon Apple Solutions Consultant From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu May 27 12:53:19 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 12:53:19 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] VNC In-Reply-To: References: <0F8C8152-6272-4345-9C1C-E4C491DFA2FC@talktalk.net> <666F1A6F-0C52-4330-B3A5-AD3F7096CE5D@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <0DF9D054-5EB9-4ABF-A6D1-4751B1E31687@durrant.co.uk> Well, not having the app... As far as I remember, if you get to the page with the fields to enter IP address, port number, etc., just to the right of the field for the IP address is a button (green?) of some kind, that when clicked, brings up a list of devices on the local network that are available to share screen. Make sure you Mac is on and connected, and that the iPod Touch is connected to the same network. regards, Paul On 27 May 2010, at 12:04, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > Got as far as (below) but how do I get 'available devices' to show"? > > On 27 May 2010, at 11:55, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> On your iPod Touch/iPhone, you Mac should now appear in the list of >> available devices when you click on the button to the right of the IP >> Address field. Secelect you Mac. Leave the port number at the >> default. >> Enter the password you entered above on your Mac in the Password >> field. From penguinsplj at me.com Thu May 27 13:54:29 2010 From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 13:54:29 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Router security Message-ID: As mentioned at last night's meeting my new Netgear router appears to be more powerful than my old LinkSys and so the signal goes well beyond the garden. I asked about security and was told that I should first change my SSID and the password which Netgear has as defaults, NETGEAR and password. I have done this but when accessing the router it asks for the password and also "User Name" and I cannot seem to find where to change this name which is still on 'admin'. Am I meant to change that as well and if so where do I do that please? I have managed to not broadcast my wifi signal so I feel a little more secure. Thank you Paul C From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu May 27 14:07:19 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 14:07:19 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Router security In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <30AE1529-266C-44F1-9CE8-DC74FADD056C@durrant.co.uk> There are two different passwords. One is the password used to access the router set-up web pages (which has user name admin), and one is the password used for connecting to the router with a client computer (i.e. your MacBook Pro). It sounds like you've only changed the password for connecting to the router's set-up pages. Look for tsomething that lets you turn on WPA or WPA-2 encryption - you'll enter a password for the encryption key, and this is the password that is then needed by any client to connect to the wireless network. regards, Paul On 27 May 2010, at 13:54, Paul Chapman wrote: > As mentioned at last night's meeting my new Netgear router appears to > be more powerful than my old LinkSys and so the signal goes well > beyond the garden. I asked about security and was told that I should > first change my SSID and the password which Netgear has as defaults, > NETGEAR and password. I have done this but when accessing the router > it asks for the password and also "User Name" and I cannot seem to > find where to change this name which is still on 'admin'. Am I meant > to change that as well and if so where do I do that please? > > I have managed to not broadcast my wifi signal so I feel a little more > secure. > From penguinsplj at me.com Thu May 27 14:15:44 2010 From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 14:15:44 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Router security In-Reply-To: <30AE1529-266C-44F1-9CE8-DC74FADD056C@durrant.co.uk> References: <30AE1529-266C-44F1-9CE8-DC74FADD056C@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <085FFE65-F4F5-4AB3-A5F0-42E6C5E0BE38@me.com> On May 27, 2010, at 14:07, Paul Durrant wrote: > One is the password used to access the router set-up web pages (which > has user name admin), So I don't change the name "admin" then? > It sounds like you've only changed the password for connecting to the > router's set-up pages. Look for tsomething that lets you turn on WPA > or WPA-2 encryption - you'll enter a password for the encryption key, > and this is the password that is then needed by any client to connect > to the wireless network. OK, done that and my main iMac is still connected. I will find out later if my MBP and Sarah's iMac can connect. Thank you Paul C From penguinsplj at me.com Thu May 27 14:17:06 2010 From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 14:17:06 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Router security In-Reply-To: <30AE1529-266C-44F1-9CE8-DC74FADD056C@durrant.co.uk> References: <30AE1529-266C-44F1-9CE8-DC74FADD056C@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: On May 27, 2010, at 14:07, Paul Durrant wrote: > One is the password used to access the router set-up web pages (which > has user name admin), So I don't change the name "admin" then? > It sounds like you've only changed the password for connecting to the > router's set-up pages. Look for tsomething that lets you turn on WPA > or WPA-2 encryption - you'll enter a password for the encryption key, > and this is the password that is then needed by any client to connect > to the wireless network. OK, done that and my main iMac is still connected. I will find out later if my MBP and Sarah's iMac can connect. Thank you Paul C From tech at robbiemurray.com Thu May 27 14:17:43 2010 From: tech at robbiemurray.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 14:17:43 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Router security In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The initial 'Admin' and 'Password' defaults are simply logins to access the router, (usually via 192.168.0.1) I've never bothered to reset these. I can't remember if Netgear uses the same defaults for the wireless settings, but when you go there you will have the option to choose the SSID, which is the name the Router displays to the world at large e.g. 'Paul' or something more exotic! The password is your security to prevent others trying to hack in and hijack your signal: it's generally recommended that this is WPA2 with a strong mix of numeric and Alpha characters, both lower & upper case, and again this is set up in the wireless section. Obviously, if you change this password, then you'll have to programme it into all devices which access it. I recently had heck of a job setting up my Apple TV, and in frustration changed my password to something shorter & simpler. I was then obliged, however, to reset the iMac, my iPod Touch, my wife's Netbook, my bedside Internet Radio, and my daughter's Macbook when she popped round. There is a further belt & braces feature on the Netgear, which is to set up an Access list, restricting access only to authorised devices, so even if someone gets hold of your password, the connection will be refused. It can, however, be rather a pig to set up .... Hope this helps Robbie On 27 May 2010, at 13:54, Paul Chapman wrote: As mentioned at last night's meeting my new Netgear router appears to be more powerful than my old LinkSys and so the signal goes well beyond the garden. I asked about security and was told that I should first change my SSID and the password which Netgear has as defaults, NETGEAR and password. I have done this but when accessing the router it asks for the password and also "User Name" and I cannot seem to find where to change this name which is still on 'admin'. Am I meant to change that as well and if so where do I do that please? I have managed to not broadcast my wifi signal so I feel a little more secure. Thank you Paul C _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Thu May 27 15:28:09 2010 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 15:28:09 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] mail Message-ID: <1FCAD99A-03DA-45B1-8A96-235524C5C441@virgin.net> I have just opened mail and the emails I received and read over the last few days are now empty / blank Where have they gone...anyone? Martin Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com From swimwire at googlemail.com Thu May 27 16:31:00 2010 From: swimwire at googlemail.com (Jack Webb-Heller) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 16:31:00 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Graphics-Heavy applications Message-ID: <3EA50939-10C1-4F0A-84C2-EA70DD450865@googlemail.com> Hi NMUGgers I'm looking for a couple of tips. I run some graphics-heavy apps (some 3D ones and things like Photoshop) on my MacBook (October 09 model). Obviously having an integrated chip doesn't make it ideal for this sort of thing but it seems to cope pretty well most of the time. However, especially when running 3D graphics, I'd like to know the best way to 'optimise' it for this. Firstly, I currently have a Dual-Monitor setup. I've got my MacBook and an external 18" screen. Does using two monitors add extra strain on the graphics chip from outputting to two sources, and would using one for graphics-heavy apps speed things up - or is a second monitor nothing to worry about? And secondly, are there any system tweaks or suggestions you may have as to how to make graphical apps run as fast as possible? Thanks, Jack From rob at atvetsystems.com Thu May 27 18:15:50 2010 From: rob at atvetsystems.com (Robert Tillyard) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 18:15:50 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iPad In-Reply-To: <0BE25A9B-8801-4375-ACD9-8FCB52B0000C@me.com> References: <0BE25A9B-8801-4375-ACD9-8FCB52B0000C@me.com> Message-ID: <654D5180-F7E8-4A49-8F15-E5C8E8B1FDD4@atvetsystems.com> Mine's just arrived. Wasn't quite sure why I need one but I'll know by the morning. Web browsing is far nicer on the iPad than it is on the iPhone. Now to start to write some apps the can use that screen size... Regards, Rob. On 10 May 2010, at 11:17, Paul Chapman wrote: > So the iPad will start from ?429. In the US it starts at $499 but > there is tax to add onto that, who's going for it? > > Paul C From david at vanedwards.co.uk Thu May 27 19:59:46 2010 From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 19:59:46 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iPad In-Reply-To: <654D5180-F7E8-4A49-8F15-E5C8E8B1FDD4@atvetsystems.com> References: <0BE25A9B-8801-4375-ACD9-8FCB52B0000C@me.com> <654D5180-F7E8-4A49-8F15-E5C8E8B1FDD4@atvetsystems.com> Message-ID: Hi folks, I think Private Eye's got our number! Have a look at this: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/iBores.jpg Is that the app you were going to write? Best wishes, David >Mine's just arrived. Wasn't quite sure why I >need one but I'll know by the morning. > >Web browsing is far nicer on the iPad than it is on the iPhone. > >Now to start to write some apps the can use that screen size... > >Regards, Rob. > >On 10 May 2010, at 11:17, Paul Chapman wrote: > >> So the iPad will start from ?429. In the US it starts at $499 but >> there is tax to add onto that, who's going for it? >> >> Paul C > >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk From rob at atvetsystems.com Thu May 27 22:02:35 2010 From: rob at atvetsystems.com (Robert Tillyard) Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 22:02:35 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iPad In-Reply-To: References: <0BE25A9B-8801-4375-ACD9-8FCB52B0000C@me.com> <654D5180-F7E8-4A49-8F15-E5C8E8B1FDD4@atvetsystems.com> Message-ID: <84BD4344-66E3-4F67-8518-5A1FD1F72588@atvetsystems.com> Findings so far: It doesn't seem to charge from a computer like the iPod/iPhone will, it needs to be plugged into the mains charger (comes with one in the box). Numbers is good in that I can edit my spreadsheets but it removed fonts that the iPad doesn't have and removed links. Pages changed a bunch of fonts, I had fixed pitch fonts for code examples that have been changed to proportionally spaced fonts and comments have been deleted as well as page breaks. No weather or Stocks app which I use daily on my iPhone. Everything else looks good. Regards, Rob. On 27 May 2010, at 19:59, David Van Edwards wrote: > Hi folks, > > I think Private Eye's got our number! Have a look at this: > http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/iBores.jpg > > Is that the app you were going to write? > > Best wishes, > > David From june.perrett at mac.com Fri May 28 11:35:24 2010 From: june.perrett at mac.com (June Perrett) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 11:35:24 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Can Tiger read iMovie created in Leopard? Message-ID: <9204CA4F-E219-4B53-976B-685411279CA2@mac.com> Hi I'd like to play a home-made movie on my G4 iBook laptop which has Tiger (OS X 10.4.11) installed. Unfortunately the laptop does not burn DVDs - but I think it reads DVDs. My desktop iMac has Leopard (OS X 10.5.8) and will burn DVDs. Can Tiger read a DVD created in Leopard? I wondered also - can movies be burnt on CDs? Or is it always on DVDs? Regards June From ricnev at mac.com Fri May 28 11:56:49 2010 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 11:56:49 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Can Tiger read iMovie created in Leopard? In-Reply-To: <9204CA4F-E219-4B53-976B-685411279CA2@mac.com> References: <9204CA4F-E219-4B53-976B-685411279CA2@mac.com> Message-ID: <9E46552D-75A4-4B9B-9507-29FD623FAF90@mac.com> On 28 May 2010, at 11:35, June Perrett wrote: > Hi > I'd like to play a home-made movie on my G4 iBook laptop which has > Tiger (OS X 10.4.11) installed. > Unfortunately the laptop does not burn DVDs - but I think it reads DVDs. > > My desktop iMac has Leopard (OS X 10.5.8) and will burn DVDs. > Can Tiger read a DVD created in Leopard? Any DVD player ought to be able to play a correctly produced video DVD (with reservations). The Tiger DVD player application should be able to handle the task OK. > I wondered also - can movies be burnt on CDs? Yes: http://www.thexlab.com/faqs/vcds.html > Or is it always on DVDs? No. Regards, Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From paul at durrant.co.uk Fri May 28 16:46:24 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 16:46:24 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Questions Regarding The NMUG - App development References: <000301cafe77$0a1ac3d0$1e504b70$@com> Message-ID: <4A77C207-8EDC-49FA-8893-962B50E7EC8E@durrant.co.uk> If anyone can help Joe Thompson, or can suggest someone, please contact him directly regards, Paul Begin forwarded message: > From: "Joe Thompson" > Date: 28 May 2010 16:04:13 BST > To: > Subject: Questions Regarding The NMUG - App development > > Dear Paul > > I am keen to find a local mentor (they cant ALL be in London!) I > could pay to help me learn iPhone app development and hoping that > you (or one of your members) could point me in the direction of > someone with a few hours to spare > > Thanks in anticipation > > Joe (Thompson) > 01379 652147 From djr.massy at ntlworld.com Fri May 28 17:55:09 2010 From: djr.massy at ntlworld.com (DJR Massy) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 17:55:09 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] MouseWorks Background In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59028AFB-869E-444C-A03F-0C8B6E312A1B@ntlworld.com> Hello there! Sorry to bother you again. Either my query (see below) defeated you all or it got overlooked. Probably the latter. However, one is always grateful for responses from nmug, and I hope I'm not being a nuisance by posting again. The problem is, after all, quite trivial, although annoying. Regards, Jim. =========================== On 26 May 2010, at 23:38, DJR Massy wrote: > I've recently upgraded from Tiger to Leopard on my Power PC desktop > G5, mostly without problems, but I now get the following message on > start-up: > > "The application MouseWorks Background quit unexpectedly. Mac OS X > and other applications are not affected. > > Click Relaunch to launch the application again. Click Report to see > more details or send a report to Apple." > > > > From the lengthy and complex Report I can see that the path includes > MouseWorks.prefPane and > indeed there is a MouseWorks.prefPane in Library. But do I need > it? If so, what should I do, as it will not launch on start-up? If > I don't need it, can I just trash the prefPane to cure the annoying > problem? > > I use a Wacom Graphire (ET) pad with mouse, and it's working fine in > Leopard. > > Any comments or suggestions would be welcome. > > Thanks, > > Jim. From paul at durrant.co.uk Fri May 28 18:16:41 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 18:16:41 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] MouseWorks Background In-Reply-To: <59028AFB-869E-444C-A03F-0C8B6E312A1B@ntlworld.com> References: <59028AFB-869E-444C-A03F-0C8B6E312A1B@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <7776E713-3D0B-469F-8483-E35B51D66DBF@durrant.co.uk> I'd go any look at your Login Items in the Users part of the System Preferences. MouseWorks Background is probably there, set to launch on startup. To fix the immediate problem, remove it from the list of Startup Items. That should stop the message appearing. It's probably something to do with your graphics pad. I'd check on- line to see if there's more recent software that works with it. regards, Paul On 28 May 2010, at 17:55, DJR Massy wrote: > Hello there! Sorry to bother you again. Either my query (see below) > defeated you all or it got overlooked. Probably the latter. However, > one is always grateful for responses from nmug, and I hope I'm not > being a nuisance by posting again. The problem is, after all, quite > trivial, although annoying. > > Regards, > > Jim. > =========================== > On 26 May 2010, at 23:38, DJR Massy wrote: > >> I've recently upgraded from Tiger to Leopard on my Power PC desktop >> G5, mostly without problems, but I now get the following message on >> start-up: >> >> "The application MouseWorks Background quit unexpectedly. Mac OS X >> and other applications are not affected. >> >> Click Relaunch to launch the application again. Click Report to see >> more details or send a report to Apple." >> >> >> >> From the lengthy and complex Report I can see that the path includes >> MouseWorks.prefPane and >> indeed there is a MouseWorks.prefPane in Library. But do I need >> it? If so, what should I do, as it will not launch on start-up? If >> I don't need it, can I just trash the prefPane to cure the annoying >> problem? >> >> I use a Wacom Graphire (ET) pad with mouse, and it's working fine in >> Leopard. >> >> Any comments or suggestions would be welcome. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jim. > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From tech at robbiemurray.com Fri May 28 18:42:42 2010 From: tech at robbiemurray.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 18:42:42 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] MouseWorks Background In-Reply-To: <59028AFB-869E-444C-A03F-0C8B6E312A1B@ntlworld.com> References: <59028AFB-869E-444C-A03F-0C8B6E312A1B@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <4F1E177A-130C-4A8E-82CD-CFA30D365816@robbiemurray.com> Sorry, don't have a clue, but this may help you decide what to do .... http://tinyurl.com/37m5jj On 28 May 2010, at 17:55, DJR Massy wrote: Hello there! Sorry to bother you again. Either my query (see below) defeated you all or it got overlooked. Probably the latter. However, one is always grateful for responses from nmug, and I hope I'm not being a nuisance by posting again. The problem is, after all, quite trivial, although annoying. Regards, Jim. =========================== On 26 May 2010, at 23:38, DJR Massy wrote: > I've recently upgraded from Tiger to Leopard on my Power PC desktop > G5, mostly without problems, but I now get the following message on > start-up: > > "The application MouseWorks Background quit unexpectedly. Mac OS X > and other applications are not affected. > > Click Relaunch to launch the application again. Click Report to see > more details or send a report to Apple." > > > > From the lengthy and complex Report I can see that the path includes > MouseWorks.prefPane and > indeed there is a MouseWorks.prefPane in Library. But do I need > it? If so, what should I do, as it will not launch on start-up? If > I don't need it, can I just trash the prefPane to cure the annoying > problem? > > I use a Wacom Graphire (ET) pad with mouse, and it's working fine in > Leopard. > > Any comments or suggestions would be welcome. > > Thanks, > > Jim. _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From simonroyal at live.co.uk Fri May 28 21:48:05 2010 From: simonroyal at live.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 21:48:05 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] PowerPC Linux Message-ID: Hi I know this is slightly OT, but has anyone had any experience in running Linux on PowerPC hardware. I have really gotten to like Ubuntu - especially the latest 10.04 version - running on my old ThinkPad, but it is very old. I have an iBook G3 (and the possibility of another one) and there are ports of Ubuntu for the PowerPC platform but I dont know what it is like. I know there is no direct Flash support although some claim to get it working and a lot of the software available for Ubuntu is for the x86 architecture and not the PPC, but it is worth a shot. Tiger is getting longer and older in the tooth and very quickly being left behind. I ran Ubuntu 5 a while ago and it was good, but I haven't tried it recently for the PowerPC. Any genuine help or advice appreciated. Simon Royal --- Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal - LowEndMac: http://tinyurl.com/macspectrum - Skype: Simon-Royal. --- IBM ThinkPad 600 running Ubuntu 10.04 & Apple iBook G3 running OSX 10.4. _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ From djr.massy at ntlworld.com Sat May 29 12:53:29 2010 From: djr.massy at ntlworld.com (DJR Massy) Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 12:53:29 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] MouseWorks Background In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92941F91-9494-4BEE-AF9D-9B16570E2FD7@ntlworld.com> Thanks very much Paul and Robbie. Yes, I have now removed the item from Login items in System Preferences. Problem solved! The link Robbie gave in his reply is also enlightening. MouseWorks is a driver for Kensington input devices. I once bought a Kensington mouse which I didn't like and the accompanying software must still on my hard drive. Regards, Jim. ====================================== On 29 May 2010, at 12:00, nmug-request at nmug.org.uk wrote: > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 18:16:41 +0100 > From: Paul Durrant > Subject: Re: [NMUG] MouseWorks Background > To: Norwich Mac User Group list > Message-ID: <7776E713-3D0B-469F-8483-E35B51D66DBF at durrant.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > I'd go any look at your Login Items in the Users part of the System > Preferences. MouseWorks Background is probably there, set to launch on > startup. > > To fix the immediate problem, remove it from the list of Startup > Items. That should stop the message appearing. > > It's probably something to do with your graphics pad. I'd check on- > line to see if there's more recent software that works with it. > > regards, > > Paul > > On 28 May 2010, at 17:55, DJR Massy wrote: > >> Hello there! Sorry to bother you again. Either my query (see below) >> defeated you all or it got overlooked. Probably the latter. However, >> one is always grateful for responses from nmug, and I hope I'm not >> being a nuisance by posting again. The problem is, after all, quite >> trivial, although annoying. >> >> Regards, >> >> Jim. >> =========================== >> On 26 May 2010, at 23:38, DJR Massy wrote: >> >>> I've recently upgraded from Tiger to Leopard on my Power PC desktop >>> G5, mostly without problems, but I now get the following message on >>> start-up: >>> >>> "The application MouseWorks Background quit unexpectedly. Mac OS X >>> and other applications are not affected. >>> >>> Click Relaunch to launch the application again. Click Report to see >>> more details or send a report to Apple." >>> >>> >>> >>> From the lengthy and complex Report I can see that the path includes >>> MouseWorks.prefPane and >>> indeed there is a MouseWorks.prefPane in Library. But do I need >>> it? If so, what should I do, as it will not launch on start-up? If >>> I don't need it, can I just trash the prefPane to cure the annoying >>> problem? >>> >>> I use a Wacom Graphire (ET) pad with mouse, and it's working fine in >>> Leopard. >>> >>> Any comments or suggestions would be welcome. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Jim. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 18:42:42 +0100 > From: Robbie Murray > Subject: Re: [NMUG] MouseWorks Background > To: Norwich Mac User Group list > Message-ID: <4F1E177A-130C-4A8E-82CD-CFA30D365816 at robbiemurray.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Sorry, don't have a clue, but this may help you decide what to do .... > > http://tinyurl.com/37m5jj > > From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk Sun May 30 09:55:22 2010 From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 09:55:22 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Sluggish iMac with Snow Leopard Message-ID: <98993484-D151-4596-B00F-DCF7633FF221@mendelsohn.me.uk> Hi Everyone Our computer is extremely sluggish at the moment - after having been really fast. Not really sure what has changed. Can't be memory as we have 4 GB. I have Activity monitor up, but am not sure what I am looking for.... I have downloaded Onyx which we used to use - should I do anything with the System or User cache? Is there anything else we could do? We have done Permissions. One other query - I noticed that System preferences are in the Applications folder - is that correct as I never noticed this before. Many thanks Phyll From paul at durrant.co.uk Sun May 30 10:25:37 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 10:25:37 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Sluggish iMac with Snow Leopard In-Reply-To: <98993484-D151-4596-B00F-DCF7633FF221@mendelsohn.me.uk> References: <98993484-D151-4596-B00F-DCF7633FF221@mendelsohn.me.uk> Message-ID: <66D6C17D-EEED-45BD-A2E5-E4F0B23F5DF8@durrant.co.uk> In Activity Monitor, look at CPU usage - sort bu CPU time. Is there any process taking up lots (>50%) CPU time? In the graphs of CPU usage at the bottom of the window, are the charts mostly green/red, or mostly black? Next look at System Memory.Do you have lots of green (free) and/or blue (inactive) memory? How about Page Outs? Should be zero or very small. regards, Paul On 30 May 2010, at 09:55, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: > Hi Everyone > > Our computer is extremely sluggish at the moment - after having been > really fast. Not really sure what has changed. Can't be memory as we > have 4 GB. > > I have Activity monitor up, but am not sure what I am looking for.... > > I have downloaded Onyx which we used to use - should I do anything > with the System or User cache? Is there anything else we could do? > We have done Permissions. > > One other query - I noticed that System preferences are in the > Applications folder - is that correct as I never noticed this before. > > Many thanks > > Phyll > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk Sun May 30 10:52:23 2010 From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 10:52:23 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Sluggish iMac with Snow Leopard In-Reply-To: <66D6C17D-EEED-45BD-A2E5-E4F0B23F5DF8@durrant.co.uk> References: <98993484-D151-4596-B00F-DCF7633FF221@mendelsohn.me.uk> <66D6C17D-EEED-45BD-A2E5-E4F0B23F5DF8@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Paul, Looked at CPU usage - by "sort by CPU time' - I looked under column headed % - is that correct. there doesn't appear to be any process taking up lots of time- nothng more than 2.1% (Window Server) . The graph of CPU usage shows mostly black (94.23) . System Memory: there is lots of green memory (2.57 GB) and some blue (362.5.mb) - Active and Wired seem about equal (591.3 mb and 532.8 mb) Page outs are zero. regards Phyll On 30 May 2010, at 10:25, Paul Durrant wrote: > In Activity Monitor, look at CPU usage - sort bu CPU time. Is there > any process taking up lots (>50%) CPU time? In the graphs of CPU usage > at the bottom of the window, are the charts mostly green/red, or > mostly black? > > Next look at System Memory.Do you have lots of green (free) and/or > blue (inactive) memory? How about Page Outs? Should be zero or very > small. > > regards, > > Paul > > On 30 May 2010, at 09:55, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: > >> Hi Everyone >> >> Our computer is extremely sluggish at the moment - after having been >> really fast. Not really sure what has changed. Can't be memory as we >> have 4 GB. >> >> >> I From penguinsplj at me.com Sun May 30 10:56:58 2010 From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 10:56:58 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Sluggish iMac with Snow Leopard In-Reply-To: <66D6C17D-EEED-45BD-A2E5-E4F0B23F5DF8@durrant.co.uk> References: <98993484-D151-4596-B00F-DCF7633FF221@mendelsohn.me.uk> <66D6C17D-EEED-45BD-A2E5-E4F0B23F5DF8@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <455ECEC3-D032-42AD-B22A-E19A41BC013A@me.com> On May 30, 2010, at 10:25, Paul Durrant wrote: > How about Page Outs? Should be zero or very > small. Can I piggyback onto this discussion please? What are Page Outs? I thought I would follow your directions Paul and I noticed that my Page Outs are at almost 700MB which isn't anything like zero, what should I do? Paul C From tech at robbiemurray.com Sun May 30 11:00:27 2010 From: tech at robbiemurray.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 11:00:27 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Sluggish iMac with Snow Leopard In-Reply-To: References: <98993484-D151-4596-B00F-DCF7633FF221@mendelsohn.me.uk> <66D6C17D-EEED-45BD-A2E5-E4F0B23F5DF8@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <835C8D1A-C2BE-41AD-9590-1DB3B7BC2244@robbiemurray.com> Is this happening with all activities/programmes? Did it happen suddenly or has it been gradually slowing down? Could something be downloading in the background? How much free disk space is there on your HD? On 30 May 2010, at 10:52, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: Paul, Looked at CPU usage - by "sort by CPU time' - I looked under column headed % - is that correct. there doesn't appear to be any process taking up lots of time- nothng more than 2.1% (Window Server) . The graph of CPU usage shows mostly black (94.23) . System Memory: there is lots of green memory (2.57 GB) and some blue (362.5.mb) - Active and Wired seem about equal (591.3 mb and 532.8 mb) Page outs are zero. regards Phyll On 30 May 2010, at 10:25, Paul Durrant wrote: > In Activity Monitor, look at CPU usage - sort bu CPU time. Is there > any process taking up lots (>50%) CPU time? In the graphs of CPU usage > at the bottom of the window, are the charts mostly green/red, or > mostly black? > > Next look at System Memory.Do you have lots of green (free) and/or > blue (inactive) memory? How about Page Outs? Should be zero or very > small. > > regards, > > Paul > > On 30 May 2010, at 09:55, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: > >> Hi Everyone >> >> Our computer is extremely sluggish at the moment - after having been >> really fast. Not really sure what has changed. Can't be memory as we >> have 4 GB. >> >> >> I _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk Sun May 30 11:10:46 2010 From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 11:10:46 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Sluggish iMac with Snow Leopard In-Reply-To: <835C8D1A-C2BE-41AD-9590-1DB3B7BC2244@robbiemurray.com> References: <98993484-D151-4596-B00F-DCF7633FF221@mendelsohn.me.uk> <66D6C17D-EEED-45BD-A2E5-E4F0B23F5DF8@durrant.co.uk> <835C8D1A-C2BE-41AD-9590-1DB3B7BC2244@robbiemurray.com> Message-ID: <8579690D-895E-4601-B0EF-4DA0C438F2E8@mendelsohn.me.uk> Hi Robbie, On 30 May 2010, at 11:00, Robbie Murray wrote: > Is this happening with all activities/programmes? Happens intermittently with most programmes but definitely happens when using Office. > Did it happen suddenly or has it been gradually slowing down? I think it has been gradually slowing down - not reakky aware if it until it got really irritating! > Could something be downloading in the background? Nothing we know of. > How much free disk space is there on your HD? 142 GB available Phyll > > > On 30 May 2010, at 10:52, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: > > Paul, > > > Looked at CPU usage - by "sort by CPU time' - I looked under column > headed % - is that correct. there doesn't appear to be any process > taking up lots of time- nothng more than 2.1% (Window Server) . The > graph of CPU usage shows mostly black (94.23) . > > System Memory: there is lots of green memory (2.57 GB) and some blue > (362.5.mb) - Active and Wired seem about equal (591.3 mb and 532.8 mb) > Page outs are zero. > > regards > > Phyll > >> >> >> On 30 May 2010, at 09:55, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: >> >>> Hi Everyone >>> >>> Our computer is extremely sluggish at the moment - after having been >>> really fast. Not really sure what has changed. Can't be memory as we >>> have 4 GB. >>> >>> >>> I > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From paul at durrant.co.uk Sun May 30 11:14:52 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 11:14:52 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Mac Memory Management In-Reply-To: <455ECEC3-D032-42AD-B22A-E19A41BC013A@me.com> References: <98993484-D151-4596-B00F-DCF7633FF221@mendelsohn.me.uk> <66D6C17D-EEED-45BD-A2E5-E4F0B23F5DF8@durrant.co.uk> <455ECEC3-D032-42AD-B22A-E19A41BC013A@me.com> Message-ID: On 30 May 2010, at 10:56, Paul Chapman wrote: > > On May 30, 2010, at 10:25, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> How about Page Outs? Should be zero or very >> small. > > Can I piggyback onto this discussion please? What are Page Outs? I > thought I would follow your directions Paul and I noticed that my Page > Outs are at almost 700MB which isn't anything like zero, what should I > do? When a program needs more memory, and there's no more free memory, some of the memory used by a background program is written out to disk, and that memory given to the program that needs it. The writing out to disk is a "Page Out". There's nothing wrong with occassional page outs - especially if you routinely keep large numbers (or memory-intensive) applications open simultaneously. But it does mean that switching between applications is slowed down, as the data that was paged out needs to be read back in to allow the background application to come to the front again. You also need to look at how much free and inactive memory you have - so long as that's not near zero in normal use with lots of page outs, there's no problem. regards, Paul From paul at durrant.co.uk Sun May 30 11:16:13 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 11:16:13 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Sluggish iMac with Snow Leopard In-Reply-To: References: <98993484-D151-4596-B00F-DCF7633FF221@mendelsohn.me.uk> <66D6C17D-EEED-45BD-A2E5-E4F0B23F5DF8@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <2BA75B3E-0FCA-4BFF-ABE7-2A8F911DC90E@durrant.co.uk> OK, it's not CPU or Memory. The next most likely think is network access. Does the slowdown happen when you're not connected to the internet? regards, Paul On 30 May 2010, at 10:52, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: > Looked at CPU usage - by "sort by CPU time' - I looked under column > headed % - is that correct. there doesn't appear to be any process > taking up lots of time- nothng more than 2.1% (Window Server) . The > graph of CPU usage shows mostly black (94.23) . > > System Memory: there is lots of green memory (2.57 GB) and some blue > (362.5.mb) - Active and Wired seem about equal (591.3 mb and 532.8 > mb) > Page outs are zero. > > On 30 May 2010, at 10:25, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> In Activity Monitor, look at CPU usage - sort bu CPU time. Is there >> any process taking up lots (>50%) CPU time? In the graphs of CPU >> usage >> at the bottom of the window, are the charts mostly green/red, or >> mostly black? >> >> Next look at System Memory.Do you have lots of green (free) and/or >> blue (inactive) memory? How about Page Outs? Should be zero or very >> small. >> >> regards, >> >> Paul >> >> On 30 May 2010, at 09:55, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: >> >>> Hi Everyone >>> >>> Our computer is extremely sluggish at the moment - after having been >>> really fast. Not really sure what has changed. Can't be memory as we >>> have 4 GB. From rbygrave at ntlworld.com Sun May 30 11:36:00 2010 From: rbygrave at ntlworld.com (Ruth Bygrave) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 11:36:00 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Any recommendations for long document management? Message-ID: <07063FAA-AF5E-45F0-BDF7-FA067C2DF517@ntlworld.com> Have got a document in chapters. Discovered TextEdit won't do (for example) hyperlinks, so I can't use the chapter list for hopping around the whole document. What's the best cheap way of doing this (i.e. not buying MS Word or something equally painful)? Regards, Ruth From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk Sun May 30 11:39:13 2010 From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 11:39:13 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Sluggish iMac with Snow Leopard In-Reply-To: <2BA75B3E-0FCA-4BFF-ABE7-2A8F911DC90E@durrant.co.uk> References: <98993484-D151-4596-B00F-DCF7633FF221@mendelsohn.me.uk> <66D6C17D-EEED-45BD-A2E5-E4F0B23F5DF8@durrant.co.uk> <2BA75B3E-0FCA-4BFF-ABE7-2A8F911DC90E@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: I think we are constantly connected to the internet - as we have Mail open all the time - and we are wireless networked. Phyll On 30 May 2010, at 11:16, Paul Durrant wrote: > OK, it's not CPU or Memory. The next most likely think is network > access. Does the slowdown happen when you're not connected to the > internet? > > regards, > > Paul >>> >>> On 30 May 2010, at 09:55, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Everyone >>>> >>>> Our computer is extremely sluggish at the moment - after having been >>>> really fast. Not really sure what has changed. Can't be memory as we >>>> have 4 GB. > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From fredericlandes at mac.com Sun May 30 11:55:41 2010 From: fredericlandes at mac.com (Frederic Landes) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 11:55:41 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Sluggish iMac with Snow Leopard (Paul Durrant) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > From: > Reply-To: > Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 11:16:16 +0100 > To: > Subject: NMUG Digest, Vol 76, Issue 40 > > Send NMUG mailing list submissions to > nmug at nmug.org.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nmug-request at nmug.org.uk > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nmug-owner at nmug.org.uk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of NMUG digest..." > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: MouseWorks Background (DJR Massy) > 2. Sluggish iMac with Snow Leopard (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) > 3. Re: Sluggish iMac with Snow Leopard (Paul Durrant) > 4. Re: Sluggish iMac with Snow Leopard (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) > 5. Re: Sluggish iMac with Snow Leopard (Paul Chapman) > 6. Re: Sluggish iMac with Snow Leopard (Robbie Murray) > 7. Re: Sluggish iMac with Snow Leopard (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) > 8. Mac Memory Management (Paul Durrant) > 9. Re: Sluggish iMac with Snow Leopard (Paul Durrant) > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug This is my first post since I joined recently this forum. So please let me know if I am not replying following the proper procedure. My iMac also slows down sometimes but I notice that it is happening specifically when iSync is updating my iDisk or Time Machine is also updating the back-up. Just a guess but it might be Paul's problem as well? Regards Frederic From allanmacam at me.com Sun May 30 12:00:58 2010 From: allanmacam at me.com (Allan) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 12:00:58 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Sluggish iMac with Snow Leopard In-Reply-To: <98993484-D151-4596-B00F-DCF7633FF221@mendelsohn.me.uk> References: <98993484-D151-4596-B00F-DCF7633FF221@mendelsohn.me.uk> Message-ID: <6D9DD9CD-52CA-42C8-B271-F6987E6826E9@me.com> My fIrst port of call would be to restart the machine and do an fsck -f in Single User mode. Restart the machine and see if performance has improved. if not, let us know. Allan. On 30 May 2010, at 09:55, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: > Our computer is extremely sluggish at the moment - after having been really fast. Not really sure what has changed. Can't be memory as we have 4 GB. > > I have Activity monitor up, but am not sure what I am looking for.... > > I have downloaded Onyx which we used to use - should I do anything with the System or User cache? Is there anything else we could do? We have done Permissions. From paul at durrant.co.uk Sun May 30 12:24:30 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 12:24:30 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Sluggish iMac with Snow Leopard In-Reply-To: References: <98993484-D151-4596-B00F-DCF7633FF221@mendelsohn.me.uk> <66D6C17D-EEED-45BD-A2E5-E4F0B23F5DF8@durrant.co.uk> <2BA75B3E-0FCA-4BFF-ABE7-2A8F911DC90E@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Just as a diagnostic - quit mail and turn off your wireless connection on your Mac. Then see if you still see the problem in Word. regards, Paul On 30 May 2010, at 11:39, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: > I think we are constantly connected to the internet - as we have > Mail open all the time - and we are wireless networked. > > Phyll > > On 30 May 2010, at 11:16, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> OK, it's not CPU or Memory. The next most likely think is network >> access. Does the slowdown happen when you're not connected to the >> internet? >> >> regards, >> >> Paul >>>> >>>> On 30 May 2010, at 09:55, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Everyone >>>>> >>>>> Our computer is extremely sluggish at the moment - after having >>>>> been >>>>> really fast. Not really sure what has changed. Can't be memory >>>>> as we >>>>> have 4 GB. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From tech at robbiemurray.com Sun May 30 12:28:07 2010 From: tech at robbiemurray.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 12:28:07 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Turkish Grand Prix: Norfolk boy glues iPad to hand .... Message-ID: I know it was mentioned a couple of weeks ago, but today Jake Humphrey is doing a really marvellous promotional job - waving it about like an extension of his left Palm! Robbie From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com Sun May 30 12:41:45 2010 From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (2003r2tech at googlemail.com) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 12:41:45 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Turkish Grand Prix: Norfolk boy glues iPad to hand .... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <496CDFD9-4DB2-407D-AEA3-93EDD416FADB@googlemail.com> I had noticed that Jake was using an iPad. I read some where that he reckons it's the perfect device for viewing data about what he has to talk about and stats etc. In the article it was saying that the BBC had developed a custom app to give him all that data. Simon Bainbridge On 30 May 2010, at 12:28, Robbie Murray wrote: > I know it was mentioned a couple of weeks ago, but today Jake Humphrey > is doing a really marvellous promotional job - waving it about like an > extension of his left Palm! > > > > Robbie > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From davidenglish at mac.com Sun May 30 13:04:58 2010 From: davidenglish at mac.com (David English) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 13:04:58 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Sluggish iMac with Snow Leopard In-Reply-To: <98993484-D151-4596-B00F-DCF7633FF221@mendelsohn.me.uk> References: <98993484-D151-4596-B00F-DCF7633FF221@mendelsohn.me.uk> Message-ID: <69875220325393026192828683654968043785-Webmail@me.com> Hi I had similar problems a few weeks back on my imac. Gradually got worse. Ended up with a new hard drive. I was just relieved to get a solution that I could give to someone else to sort out! Cheers David From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk Sun May 30 13:27:59 2010 From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 13:27:59 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] [Sluggish iMac with Snow Leopard Message-ID: <48DACCBC-27D1-497E-955F-3D9B0EB58132@mendelsohn.me.uk> Thanks Paul - quit mail etc - opening Word was slightly faster, all turned back on again, and Word still seems faster. I think what we will do is to monitor the situation over a few days, try to ascertain when it slows down etc and then come back to you. Thanks Alan. I have restarted the computer in fsck-f single mode in the past - I will have to refresh my memory and do this again. I haven't got time today but will have a go tomorrow sometime. In the meantime would deleting the system cache (and or user cache) using Onyx help at all? About a year ago I cleaned the user cache using Mainmenu and this helped at the time. I now have to buy MainMenu and don't want to do this. Phyll On 30 May 2010, at 12:24, Paul Durrant wrote: > Just as a diagnostic - quit mail and turn off your wireless connection > on your Mac. Then see if you still see the problem in Word. > > regards, > > Paul > >>> >>> >>>>> >>>>> On 30 May 2010, at 09:55, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Everyone >>>>>> >>>>>> Our computer is extremely sluggish at the moment - after having >>>>>> been >>>>>> really fast. Not really sure what has changed. Can't be memory >>>>>> as we >>>>>> have 4 GB. >>> > From paul at durrant.co.uk Sun May 30 13:46:16 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 13:46:16 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] [Sluggish iMac with Snow Leopard In-Reply-To: <48DACCBC-27D1-497E-955F-3D9B0EB58132@mendelsohn.me.uk> References: <48DACCBC-27D1-497E-955F-3D9B0EB58132@mendelsohn.me.uk> Message-ID: Clearing caches is unlikely to help, but also unlikely to hurt, so worth a try. Another thought - open the Console (Applications/Utilities) and see if some rogue process is sending lots of info to the system log or the console. By 'lots' I means tens or hundreds of messages a second. regards, Paul On 30 May 2010, at 13:27, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: > Thanks Paul - quit mail etc - opening Word was slightly faster, all > turned back on again, and Word still seems faster. > > I think what we will do is to monitor the situation over a few days, > try to ascertain when it slows down etc and then come back to you. > > Thanks Alan. I have restarted the computer in fsck-f single mode in > the past - I will have to refresh my memory and do this again. I > haven't got time today but will have a go tomorrow sometime. > > In the meantime would deleting the system cache (and or user cache) > using Onyx help at all? About a year ago I cleaned the user cache > using Mainmenu and this helped at the time. I now have to buy > MainMenu and don't want to do this. > > Phyll > > > On 30 May 2010, at 12:24, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> Just as a diagnostic - quit mail and turn off your wireless >> connection >> on your Mac. Then see if you still see the problem in Word. >> >> regards, >> >> Paul >> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 30 May 2010, at 09:55, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Everyone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Our computer is extremely sluggish at the moment - after having >>>>>>> been >>>>>>> really fast. Not really sure what has changed. Can't be memory >>>>>>> as we >>>>>>> have 4 GB. >>>> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk Sun May 30 14:17:03 2010 From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 14:17:03 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] [Sluggish iMac with Snow Leopard In-Reply-To: References: <48DACCBC-27D1-497E-955F-3D9B0EB58132@mendelsohn.me.uk> Message-ID: Thanks Paul. Checked the Console, the following kept coming up several times a second - even though the printer is swithched off.: 30/05/2010 13:57:01 com.epson.Epusp[196] The file /Library/Application Support/Epson/InkjetPrinter/Epudl.app does not exist. Some months ago we took our laptop into Apple when iMovie was giving trouble - and after a lot of time they isolated this thing called 'Epudl, feeling this may have caused the problems. On the laptop they put it in the trash. (not sure if it helped or not!). Checked on the Internet: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2274225&tstart=0&messageID=11175549 So decided to find it - it wasn't in the Epson folder, but I found it in the Applications folder - I have now put it in the trash, but wont empty the trash until someone tells me that this is not a valuable piece of software! Just checked the console 0 the message is not there, but the following is and I am not sure if it means anything: 30/05/2010 14:09:58 mobilemesyncclient[520] POST / (FAILED), httpStatusCode:402, errorType:100, transactionState:5, txnId:C1C373E6-5662-41B4-A9F4-30C588BA76A7, auto-retries=0, manual-retries=0 30/05/2010 14:09:58 mobilemesyncclient[520] DMMKPATH /Library/Application Support/SyncServices/Clients (FAILED), httpStatusCode:402, errorType:100, transactionState:5, txnId:DE8EBE48-26F7-4248-B745-496A26DB7690, auto-retries=0, manual-retries=0 30/05/2010 14:09:58 mobilemesyncclient[520] PROPFIND /Library/Application Support/SyncServices/Clients/A339AF89-5EA9-4E99-A8BC-F3032890DB9A.client (FAILED), httpStatusCode:402, errorType:100, transactionState:5, txnId:5A96C46E-78AC-44FC-A1AB-9E825C8DFB8A, auto-retries=0, manual-retries=0 Regards Phyll > Clearing caches is unlikely to help, but also unlikely to hurt, so > worth a try. > > Another thought - open the Console (Applications/Utilities) and see if > some rogue process is sending lots of info to the system log or the > console. By 'lots' I means tens or hundreds of messages a second. > > regards, > > Paul > > On 30 May 2010, at 13:27, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: > >> Thanks Paul - quit mail etc - opening Word was slightly faster, all >> turned back on again, and Word still seems faster. >> >> I think what we will do is to monitor the situation over a few days, >> try to ascertain when it slows down etc and then come back to you. >> >> Thanks Alan. I have restarted the computer in fsck-f single mode in >> the past - I will have to refresh my memory and do this again. I >> haven't got time today but will have a go tomorrow sometime. >> >> In the meantime would deleting the system cache (and or user cache) >> using Onyx help at all? About a year ago I cleaned the user cache >> using Mainmenu and this helped at the time. I now have to buy >> MainMenu and don't want to do this. >> >> Phyll >> >> >> On 30 May 2010, at 12:24, Paul Durrant wrote: >> >>> Just as a diagnostic - quit mail and turn off your wireless >>> connection >>> on your Mac. Then see if you still see the problem in Word. >>> >>> regards, >>> >>> Paul >>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 30 May 2010, at 09:55, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Everyone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Our computer is extremely sluggish at the moment - after having >>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>> really fast. Not really sure what has changed. Can't be memory >>>>>>>> as we >>>>>>>> have 4 GB. >>>>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com Sun May 30 17:59:20 2010 From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 17:59:20 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Any recommendations for long document management? In-Reply-To: <07063FAA-AF5E-45F0-BDF7-FA067C2DF517@ntlworld.com> References: <07063FAA-AF5E-45F0-BDF7-FA067C2DF517@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <97B1F8BA-0EE3-42A4-8AA9-E7FA774C5E19@ntlworld.com> Hi Download OpenOffice (http://download.openoffice.org) it's MS Office compatible just have to remember to do a save as and use word 97 - 2000 .doc to keep it compatible. and it's free On 30 May 2010, at 11:36, Ruth Bygrave wrote: > Have got a document in chapters. Discovered TextEdit won't do (for > example) hyperlinks, so I can't use the chapter list for hopping > around the whole document. What's the best cheap way of doing this > (i.e. not buying MS Word or something equally painful)? > > Regards, Ruth > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From rob at atvetsystems.com Sun May 30 18:07:10 2010 From: rob at atvetsystems.com (Robert Tillyard) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 18:07:10 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Turkish Grand Prix: Norfolk boy glues iPad to hand .... In-Reply-To: <496CDFD9-4DB2-407D-AEA3-93EDD416FADB@googlemail.com> References: <496CDFD9-4DB2-407D-AEA3-93EDD416FADB@googlemail.com> Message-ID: Also, there is an F1 timing app that shows the live timing and GPS positions of the cars during the race. I would have got that myself except that I have to watch most races on Sky+ because I'm not usually able to watch the race during the day. Also the iPad isn't light, you's know about it if you've been holding it like that for any period of time. Regards, Rob. On 30 May 2010, at 12:41, 2003r2tech at googlemail.com wrote: > I had noticed that Jake was using an iPad. > > I read some where that he reckons it's the perfect device for viewing > data about what he has to talk about and stats etc. In the article it > was saying that the BBC had developed a custom app to give him all > that data. > > Simon Bainbridge From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com Sun May 30 19:49:46 2010 From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (2003r2tech at googlemail.com) Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 19:49:46 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Turkish Grand Prix: Norfolk boy glues iPad to hand .... In-Reply-To: References: <496CDFD9-4DB2-407D-AEA3-93EDD416FADB@googlemail.com> Message-ID: I have the free F1 timing app on my iPhone and it's great. Simon Bainbridge On 30 May 2010, at 18:07, Robert Tillyard wrote: > Also, there is an F1 timing app that shows the live timing and GPS > positions of the cars during the race. > > I would have got that myself except that I have to watch most races > on Sky+ because I'm not usually able to watch the race during the day. > > Also the iPad isn't light, you's know about it if you've been > holding it like that for any period of time. > > Regards, Rob. > > On 30 May 2010, at 12:41, 2003r2tech at googlemail.com wrote: > >> I had noticed that Jake was using an iPad. >> >> I read some where that he reckons it's the perfect device for viewing >> data about what he has to talk about and stats etc. In the article it >> was saying that the BBC had developed a custom app to give him all >> that data. >> >> Simon Bainbridge > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ken.arnoldi at talktalk.net Mon May 31 11:54:59 2010 From: ken.arnoldi at talktalk.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 11:54:59 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Emails in Trash Message-ID: Hello All, Recently some of the messages or postings from nmug seem to be going directly into the trash. Now, I feel this is particularly insulting to mug members (at least it is before I've read them!). I have checked the mail preferences and have no 'rules' to account for this. Any advice, please? Ken Arnoldi From tech at robbiemurray.com Mon May 31 12:17:44 2010 From: tech at robbiemurray.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 12:17:44 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Emails in Trash In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Ken In your Junk Mail Prefs in Mail.app, there is a checkbox for "Trust Junk Mail Headers set by my Internet Service Providers" I have to admit I've never fully understood what this does, but knowing you have recently changed to Talktalk, could it be that they regard NMUG as an undesirable domain sending naughty messages, and are flagging them as such before Mail gets them? Perhaps unchecking this if checked may confirm one way or the other .... Robbie On 31 May 2010, at 11:54, Ken Arnoldi wrote: Hello All, Recently some of the messages or postings from nmug seem to be going directly into the trash. Now, I feel this is particularly insulting to mug members (at least it is before I've read them!). I have checked the mail preferences and have no 'rules' to account for this. Any advice, please? Ken Arnoldi _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From fredericlandes at mac.com Mon May 31 13:48:52 2010 From: fredericlandes at mac.com (=?utf-8?Q?Fr=C3=A9d=C3=A9ric_LANDES?=) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 13:48:52 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Mailing List unreadable on iPod Message-ID: <8DBDD578-9BD0-4734-B90D-1BDBCF99D200@mac.com> When opening my mails on my iPod, the NMUG listing is followed only with a "mime-attachment" for each listed post, which I cannot open. Is there a solution to correct this and be able to read the messages on the iPod or iPhone? Thank you. Frederic From ken.arnoldi at talktalk.net Mon May 31 14:00:36 2010 From: ken.arnoldi at talktalk.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 14:00:36 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Mailing List unreadable on iPod In-Reply-To: <8DBDD578-9BD0-4734-B90D-1BDBCF99D200@mac.com> References: <8DBDD578-9BD0-4734-B90D-1BDBCF99D200@mac.com> Message-ID: <3C11BC0E-F76C-463A-940F-C418B63DD0CA@talktalk.net> I've had this too, but not with mug messages. It seems to come from some 'undelivered mail' source. I would be interested in a reason/solution. Ken Arnoldi On 31 May 2010, at 13:48, Fr?d?ric LANDES wrote: > When opening my mails on my iPod, the NMUG listing is followed only > with a "mime-attachment" for each listed post, which I cannot open.