From minkennison at mac.com Fri Jan 1 09:17:59 2010 From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 09:17:59 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] 2010 Message-ID: <70F64FF6-7F0C-4059-B47B-09FB378C8060@mac.com> Happy New Year to you all Min From munkt0n at gmail.com Fri Jan 1 10:50:55 2010 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 10:50:55 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] ipod crash In-Reply-To: <8F9733DB-A7D5-4AE3-92B1-A295D34330A1@mac.com> References: <8F9733DB-A7D5-4AE3-92B1-A295D34330A1@mac.com> Message-ID: I seem to remember that holding the select and menu buttons for 10 seconds will reset the iPod. You can put them into 'disk mode' too, and then restore the iPod software from within iTunes. It's been a while since I owned an iPod, so can't remember how to do this, it's probably different for each model, so check Apple's support site. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1339 On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Alan Barber wrote: > Thanks for the limewire advice which I have passed on. > > Another workmate has an ipod touch 2nd gen which just shows a white > screen. > On one site it calls it the white screen of death. > Its about 15 months old so out of warranty. > I suggested take it back to the Apple store. > Any other ideas? > > Regards > > Alan > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- :wq From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com Fri Jan 1 11:14:22 2010 From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:14:22 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] VB In-Reply-To: References: <4FC97FDC-8730-40F6-9FC3-381F6A4A2BC9@virgin.net> Message-ID: Hi, Just tried VirtualBox seems ok installed XP Pro, although I have one problem I'm not able to get VB to recognise either Lan or my wireless adapter on my MacBook. I guess VB has to recognise the network adapters rather than Windows? Any idea's Kind regards Kerin From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Fri Jan 1 11:24:31 2010 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 11:24:31 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] VB In-Reply-To: References: <4FC97FDC-8730-40F6-9FC3-381F6A4A2BC9@virgin.net> Message-ID: Try changing the Network Adapters in the main VB menu. Also experiment with different adapters in the Devices menu when VB has opened. Ken Arnoldi On 1 Jan 2010, at 11:14 AM, Kerin Westgate wrote: > Hi, > Just tried VirtualBox seems ok installed XP Pro, although I have one > problem I'm not able to get VB to recognise either Lan or my > wireless adapter on my MacBook. > I guess VB has to recognise the network adapters rather than Windows? > > Any idea's > > Kind regards > Kerin > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From sc at davidviner.com Fri Jan 1 12:18:36 2010 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 12:18:36 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] VB In-Reply-To: References: <4FC97FDC-8730-40F6-9FC3-381F6A4A2BC9@virgin.net> Message-ID: <4B3DE81C.7070500@davidviner.com> Kerin Did you install the VB Guest Additions in XP? If not, it's in the devices menu. I've had no network problems with running both Windows 7, 2000 and Ubuntu 9.10 on my iMac - they can access both the internet and the linux server on my network. Windows 7 is running the simulated Intel PRO/1000 card and the others are using the default PCnet-FAST III card. David > Hi, > Just tried VirtualBox seems ok installed XP Pro, although I have one problem I'm not able to get VB to recognise either Lan or my wireless adapter on my MacBook. > I guess VB has to recognise the network adapters rather than Windows? > > Any idea's > > Kind regards > Kerin > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From macman at f2s.com Fri Jan 1 13:37:00 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 13:37:00 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] VB In-Reply-To: References: <4FC97FDC-8730-40F6-9FC3-381F6A4A2BC9@virgin.net> Message-ID: <58BF45A8-57F9-4B7A-A261-A94FFA92EA07@f2s.com> See Pg 4 of the VB Manual - Guest Additions. Robbie Robbie Murray 01603 620749 01603 516175 07882 007667 macman at f2s.com On 1 Jan 2010, at 11:14, Kerin Westgate wrote: Hi, Just tried VirtualBox seems ok installed XP Pro, although I have one problem I'm not able to get VB to recognise either Lan or my wireless adapter on my MacBook. I guess VB has to recognise the network adapters rather than Windows? Any idea's Kind regards Kerin _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com Fri Jan 1 15:29:55 2010 From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 15:29:55 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] VB In-Reply-To: <58BF45A8-57F9-4B7A-A261-A94FFA92EA07@f2s.com> References: <4FC97FDC-8730-40F6-9FC3-381F6A4A2BC9@virgin.net> <58BF45A8-57F9-4B7A-A261-A94FFA92EA07@f2s.com> Message-ID: Thanx for that, also found I needed VB set on Bridged Adapter Kerin On 1 Jan 2010, at 13:37, Robbie Murray wrote: > See Pg 4 of the VB Manual - Guest Additions. > > Robbie > > > > Robbie Murray > 01603 620749 > 01603 516175 > 07882 007667 > macman at f2s.com > > On 1 Jan 2010, at 11:14, Kerin Westgate wrote: > > Hi, > Just tried VirtualBox seems ok installed XP Pro, although I have one > problem I'm not able to get VB to recognise either Lan or my wireless > adapter on my MacBook. > I guess VB has to recognise the network adapters rather than Windows? > > Any idea's > > Kind regards > Kerin > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From alan at asw6000.plus.com Fri Jan 1 15:33:05 2010 From: alan at asw6000.plus.com (Alan Williams) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 15:33:05 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] limewirw In-Reply-To: References: <8699C168-DFC0-478C-85A3-D0EDDDEE3950@mac.com> Message-ID: <0D3BDE6F-A7EB-4B63-80CB-A04EAAD3E8F5@asw6000.plus.com> Alan Funnily enough the latest edition of MacFormat has a copy of AppDelete included which works the same as AppZapper. regards Alan > On 31 Dec 2009, at 12:14, Alan Barber wrote: > >> A colleague at work cannot uninstall Limewire from her imac G5. >> Apparently it cannot be removed from the dock nor the app removed. >> She has installed a 2nd app which is working. >> Any ideas on removing the original app completely >> Thanks >> Regards >> >> Alan >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > Alan Williams > alan at asw6000.plus.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Alan Williams alan at asw6000.plus.com From jonnykoi at tiscali.co.uk Fri Jan 1 15:54:07 2010 From: jonnykoi at tiscali.co.uk (JOHN MILLER) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 15:54:07 -0000 Subject: [NMUG] problem Message-ID: <586F6117400C450FA0EEBFB584132A98@DJDDLW1J> I have just purchased an imac 24 , which i am having trouble setting up, i want to transfer all my files over from a pc but when i open up programs like lightroom 2.6 , the text is unreadable , how can i sort this easily.John From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk Fri Jan 1 16:02:01 2010 From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:02:01 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] problem In-Reply-To: <586F6117400C450FA0EEBFB584132A98@DJDDLW1J> References: <586F6117400C450FA0EEBFB584132A98@DJDDLW1J> Message-ID: First thought. Are these programmes that are for PC? You will need a Mac version if they are. Michael Woodhouse mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ On 1 Jan 2010, at 15:54, JOHN MILLER wrote: > I have just purchased an imac 24 , which i am having trouble setting > up, i want to transfer all my files over from a pc but when i open > up programs like lightroom 2.6 , the text is unreadable , how can i > sort this easily.John > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From jonnykoi at tiscali.co.uk Fri Jan 1 16:07:45 2010 From: jonnykoi at tiscali.co.uk (JOHN MILLER) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:07:45 -0000 Subject: [NMUG] lightroom Message-ID: <1B1E0830CF044076A64F3A23FDC84102@DJDDLW1J> Many thanks for looking at my problem. All the programs that i run are suitable for mac and pc, ie photoshop , lightroom, its just i can transfer both programs across on a flash drive which opens up a folder , all seems well so far , then i go to the installer but when i click on it instead of being readable its all jargon. If i try to load the flash drive and software back on the pc it opens up straight away and starts to install. John Miller From ricnev at mac.com Fri Jan 1 16:21:33 2010 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:21:33 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] lightroom In-Reply-To: <1B1E0830CF044076A64F3A23FDC84102@DJDDLW1J> References: <1B1E0830CF044076A64F3A23FDC84102@DJDDLW1J> Message-ID: To get you going quickly, you could put the files you want to transfer into a zip file - this should keep filetypes intact as you move them between the two operating systems. You can then explore the relationship between Mac files and Windows files at your leisure as you learn more about your new computer. On 1 Jan 2010, at 16:07, JOHN MILLER wrote: > Many thanks for looking at my problem. All the programs that i run are suitable for mac and pc, ie photoshop , lightroom, its just i can transfer both programs across on a flash drive which opens up a folder , all seems well so far , then i go to the installer but when i click on it instead of being readable its all jargon. If i try to load the flash drive and software back on the pc it opens up straight away and starts to install. John Miller > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From paul at durrant.co.uk Fri Jan 1 16:26:04 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:26:04 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] problem In-Reply-To: <586F6117400C450FA0EEBFB584132A98@DJDDLW1J> References: <586F6117400C450FA0EEBFB584132A98@DJDDLW1J> Message-ID: <5D559C4B-BE3D-4A2B-99BC-6F1CB2399EDF@durrant.co.uk> Hi John, What kinds of documents do you have - and which Windows programs did you use in editing them? You just need to find the appropriate Mac program to open them with. Lightroom 2.6 should work fine - it's available for Mac and Windows, and I'd be surprised if the same files didn't work with either version. If you don't have the Mac version, go and download it from http://labs.adobe.com/wiki/index.php/Lightroom_2.6 - it seems to be a free download. regards, Paul On 1 Jan 2010, at 15:54, JOHN MILLER wrote: > I have just purchased an imac 24 , which i am having trouble setting > up, i want to transfer all my files over from a pc but when i open > up programs like lightroom 2.6 , the text is unreadable , how can i > sort this easily.John From paul at durrant.co.uk Fri Jan 1 16:27:41 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:27:41 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] lightroom In-Reply-To: <1B1E0830CF044076A64F3A23FDC84102@DJDDLW1J> References: <1B1E0830CF044076A64F3A23FDC84102@DJDDLW1J> Message-ID: Sorry I missed this message before writing my previous reply. While you can run Windows programs on a Mac in various ways, you can't just copy the Windows installer over to a new Mac and expect it to work. You should get the Mac version and install that, using the link from my previous message. regards, Paul On 1 Jan 2010, at 16:07, JOHN MILLER wrote: > Many thanks for looking at my problem. All the programs that i run > are suitable for mac and pc, ie photoshop , lightroom, its just i > can transfer both programs across on a flash drive which opens up a > folder , all seems well so far , then i go to the installer but when > i click on it instead of being readable its all jargon. If i try to > load the flash drive and software back on the pc it opens up > straight away and starts to install. John Miller From macman at f2s.com Fri Jan 1 16:28:39 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 16:28:39 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] lightroom In-Reply-To: <1B1E0830CF044076A64F3A23FDC84102@DJDDLW1J> References: <1B1E0830CF044076A64F3A23FDC84102@DJDDLW1J> Message-ID: <6DB0C7FB-1CE8-4EDD-B82E-B25F47C5BCD4@f2s.com> Are you clicking on exe files? Robbie On 1 Jan 2010, at 16:07, JOHN MILLER wrote: Many thanks for looking at my problem. All the programs that i run are suitable for mac and pc, ie photoshop , lightroom, its just i can transfer both programs across on a flash drive which opens up a folder , all seems well so far , then i go to the installer but when i click on it instead of being readable its all jargon. If i try to load the flash drive and software back on the pc it opens up straight away and starts to install. John Miller _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From lizbarnard at btinternet.com Fri Jan 1 20:09:46 2010 From: lizbarnard at btinternet.com (Liz) Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:09:46 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Burning a CD from iPhoto Message-ID: Thanks, folks for your help on this issue. I followed your instructions, opened ?burn to folder? in Finder and only to find the CD icon was nowhere to be found! Started again and again and eventually got the icon up on the screen. Dropped the folder in once, twice, three times only to be told the CD was blank. Eventually transferred each image separately, which worked in spite of window saying the device(?) was invalid (unreadable?). I just ignored it and the images seem to have been burned nonetheless and appear to be readable. Quite what is going on in my machine?s hard drive I?ve no idea but by some method, or lack of it I seem to have got there. But I could never replicate it! Liz From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com Fri Jan 1 21:32:19 2010 From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (Gmail) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 21:32:19 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iPhoto Message-ID: <7ED804E2-1092-4602-92EF-C3EA64F6233E@googlemail.com> This post is very helpful for anybody who is using or interested in using iPhoto. 5 Point iPhoto Workflow:http://bit.ly/5m8YnP For more from this person follow them at -http://twitter.com/digmo Simon Bainbridge From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com Fri Jan 1 21:44:25 2010 From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (Gmail) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 21:44:25 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iTunes Message-ID: Ripping CD's to iTunes & creating an mp3 CD - http://tinyurl.com/ybf63mx To follow more more about this person goto - http://twitter.com/patmahon Simon Bainbridge From jonnykoi at tiscali.co.uk Fri Jan 1 22:38:44 2010 From: jonnykoi at tiscali.co.uk (jonnykoi at tiscali.co.uk) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 23:38:44 +0100 (GMT+01:00) Subject: [NMUG] lightroom Message-ID: <7505675.1262385524177.JavaMail.root@ps35.mc.tiscali.sys> many thanks for the advice paul, i have now installed the version of lightroom 2.6 on my mac but as i am still not connected to the net as yet i cant insert my serial no. John 2009: A year in review - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/2009 From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Sat Jan 2 10:39:09 2010 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 10:39:09 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] lightroom In-Reply-To: <1B1E0830CF044076A64F3A23FDC84102@DJDDLW1J> References: <1B1E0830CF044076A64F3A23FDC84102@DJDDLW1J> Message-ID: <42D6DAA6-6772-4E63-8868-604E7900970F@virgin.net> John, the only way you can install is from the original disks which will contain the installer for the Mac/PC versions. The flash drive will only give you the PC version. Nat On 1 Jan 2010, at 16:07, JOHN MILLER wrote: > Many thanks for looking at my problem. All the programs that i run > are suitable for mac and pc, ie photoshop , lightroom, its just i > can transfer both programs across on a flash drive which opens up a > folder , all seems well so far , then i go to the installer but when > i click on it instead of being readable its all jargon. If i try to > load the flash drive and software back on the pc it opens up > straight away and starts to install. John Miller > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Sat Jan 2 12:03:34 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 12:03:34 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] lightroom In-Reply-To: <7505675.1262385524177.JavaMail.root@ps35.mc.tiscali.sys> References: <7505675.1262385524177.JavaMail.root@ps35.mc.tiscali.sys> Message-ID: <75A4A558-7708-4630-968A-BFF10E445477@durrant.co.uk> Connecting to the internet should be as simple as plugging in an ethernet cable, or connecting to your wireless router. But if your internet access is through a USB device, you might have more difficulty. What sort of internet connection do you have, and what problem have you encountered in trying to connect your new iMac? regards, Paul On 1 Jan 2010, at 22:38, jonnykoi at tiscali.co.uk wrote: > many thanks for the advice paul, i have now installed the version of > lightroom 2.6 on my mac but as i am still not connected to the net as > yet i cant insert my serial no. John From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com Sat Jan 2 17:08:36 2010 From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:08:36 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iTouch Message-ID: <89B47BCB-FFE3-4B82-BE63-0062392369F6@gmail.com> Hi, A Happy and I hope, a prosperous New Year to all you NMUGers. Lately, when I attempt to sync my iTouch, a message pops up to say"The 'my name' ipod cannot be synced,the required file cannot be found" How do I rectify this? Richard Stewart rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com From paul at durrant.co.uk Sat Jan 2 17:43:51 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 17:43:51 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] 100Mbps ethernet Switches - free! Message-ID: <0518A6AD-FC9B-4CCB-847D-1B08361BAD8F@durrant.co.uk> I'm having a bit of a clear-out, and I have some ethernet switches to go. These are switches, not hubs, and handle 10Mbps and 100Mbps ethernet. There's a 5-port DLink, a 16-port and a (rack mounting) 24-port. The 5- way comes with its external power supply, the other two take 'kettle' leads, and I'll happily supply a lead if you need one. So - who'd like to take these away? I'm happy to split them up, although if someone wanted them all, that's fine. I'm in Norwich - Park Lane/Earlham Road area. email direct to me, please - paul at durrant.co.uk Please state when you could come by to pick them up. thanks, Paul From bazyoungs at mac.com Sat Jan 2 23:05:20 2010 From: bazyoungs at mac.com (Barry Youngs) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 23:05:20 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Lightroom Message-ID: <21635B1E-5E0E-4595-8D04-2DE20CAB230B@mac.com> There have been some recent postings about Lightroom and I found this (I think) very interesting article about it for those who don't know what it is about (me included!) Think I might have to have a more in depth look! http://digital-photography-school.com/lightroom-what-is-it-and-when-should-you-consider-it BTW The articles from this site are really superb, they are based in Australia. Barry 42.7% of all statistics are made up on the spot. From jonnykoi at tiscali.co.uk Sat Jan 2 23:09:39 2010 From: jonnykoi at tiscali.co.uk (jonnykoi at tiscali.co.uk) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 00:09:39 +0100 (GMT+01:00) Subject: [NMUG] lightroom Message-ID: <6504461.1262473779483.JavaMail.root@ps32.mc.tiscali.sys> Hi Paul i have my router set up now through my ethernet connection , i have provided my IP address but still cannot connect , any ideas. John 2009: A year in review - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/2009 From ken.hamer at stackyard.org Sat Jan 2 23:27:12 2010 From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer) Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 23:27:12 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] lightroom In-Reply-To: <6504461.1262473779483.JavaMail.root@ps32.mc.tiscali.sys> References: <6504461.1262473779483.JavaMail.root@ps32.mc.tiscali.sys> Message-ID: <4B3FD650.6010606@stackyard.org> John, Sorry, I haven't been around much and haven't followed this thread. What sort of router do you have? What machines are you trying to connect and how (wireless or wired)? I presume from your email address that your ISP is Tiscali. I seem to remember you saying that you have a new mac but I can't find it in the archive. Ken Hamer On 02/01/2010 23:09, jonnykoi at tiscali.co.uk wrote: > Hi Paul i have my router set up now through my ethernet connection , i have provided my IP address but still cannot connect , any ideas. > John > > > > 2009: A year in review - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/2009 > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From macman at f2s.com Sat Jan 2 23:57:58 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 23:57:58 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] lightroom In-Reply-To: <6504461.1262473779483.JavaMail.root@ps32.mc.tiscali.sys> References: <6504461.1262473779483.JavaMail.root@ps32.mc.tiscali.sys> Message-ID: <9237489E-6382-4190-A6A0-51740266D3A4@f2s.com> Hello John Generally, you shouldn't need to worry about IP addresses - most modern routers need only your username & password, and will assign an IP address to each connected device - the iMac and router should simply find each other without any problem. It's a 2-stage process - your modem needs a connection to the ADSL network, then if your user details are correct, you should be automatically connected to your ISP. You do need at least one DNS Server set up, but again, this should be automatic via the defaults in the router. If you can supply more information on your modem/router model, what you have done and what the router is telling you, someone will, I'm sure, be able to help - the more information you provide, the easier it is to diagnose the problem. Robbie On 2 Jan 2010, at 23:09, jonnykoi at tiscali.co.uk wrote: Hi Paul i have my router set up now through my ethernet connection , i have provided my IP address but still cannot connect , any ideas. John 2009: A year in review - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/2009 _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com Sun Jan 3 09:33:28 2010 From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate) Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 09:33:28 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] lightroom In-Reply-To: <6504461.1262473779483.JavaMail.root@ps32.mc.tiscali.sys> References: <6504461.1262473779483.JavaMail.root@ps32.mc.tiscali.sys> Message-ID: <00E09F5B-ECF0-4AED-81B2-9C6B0CC76BC7@ntlworld.com> Have I missed something, when you say you can not connect, do you mean you cannot connect to the internet if so how did you manage to send your email or do you mean you cannot to intranet (your internal network) Kerin On 2 Jan 2010, at 23:09, jonnykoi at tiscali.co.uk wrote: > Hi Paul i have my router set up now through my ethernet connection , i have provided my IP address but still cannot connect , any ideas. > John > > > > 2009: A year in review - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/2009 > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk Mon Jan 4 16:45:20 2010 From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:45:20 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] A new scam Message-ID: <274B9D6B-DA77-45E1-B259-6690D68A1456@freeflightsupplies.co.uk> Guys I think that I may have just spotted a new scam. I purports to come from Adobe suggesting that update my reader et al. It looked on the surface as being OK. The e-mail was addressed to me by name which is good, but, then in the detail it refers to me as dear customer. I took another look at the PDF download and noticed it was from Abode not Adobe! I reckon it's another clever scam so It's now securely trashed. I received an e-mail from Michael Woodhouse mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ From macman at f2s.com Mon Jan 4 17:17:28 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 17:17:28 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] A new scam In-Reply-To: <274B9D6B-DA77-45E1-B259-6690D68A1456@freeflightsupplies.co.uk> References: <274B9D6B-DA77-45E1-B259-6690D68A1456@freeflightsupplies.co.uk> Message-ID: I know many PC users who have had machines badly crippled by 'Adobe Updates', but there are genuine ones from time to time, and it's not always easy to tell the difference ... Robbie On 4 Jan 2010, at 16:45, Michael Woodhouse wrote: Guys I think that I may have just spotted a new scam. I purports to come from Adobe suggesting that update my reader et al. It looked on the surface as being OK. The e-mail was addressed to me by name which is good, but, then in the detail it refers to me as dear customer. I took another look at the PDF download and noticed it was from Abode not Adobe! I reckon it's another clever scam so It's now securely trashed. I received an e-mail from Michael Woodhouse mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Mon Jan 4 22:18:30 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:18:30 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] A new scam In-Reply-To: <274B9D6B-DA77-45E1-B259-6690D68A1456@freeflightsupplies.co.uk> References: <274B9D6B-DA77-45E1-B259-6690D68A1456@freeflightsupplies.co.uk> Message-ID: <0041338F-3415-47EE-A6C1-B15F02ACBA10@durrant.co.uk> It might have been trying to take advantage of a known security hole: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/04/adobe_reader_attack/ Luckily for us, this only works on Windows machines. Well, the problem exists in the Mac versions of Adobe Reader, but the current attacks using the vulnerability only work on Windows. Always be careful of links in unsolicited emails. regards, Paul On 4 Jan 2010, at 16:45, Michael Woodhouse wrote: > > I think that I may have just spotted a new scam. I purports to come > from Adobe suggesting that update my reader et al. It looked on the > surface as being OK. The e-mail was addressed to me by name which is > good, but, then in the detail it refers to me as dear customer. I took > another look at the PDF download and noticed it was from Abode not > Adobe! I reckon it's another clever scam so It's now securely trashed. From ferrers_young at hotmail.com Tue Jan 5 02:17:56 2010 From: ferrers_young at hotmail.com (Ferrers Young) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 02:17:56 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] A new scam In-Reply-To: <0041338F-3415-47EE-A6C1-B15F02ACBA10@durrant.co.uk> References: <274B9D6B-DA77-45E1-B259-6690D68A1456@freeflightsupplies.co.uk>, <0041338F-3415-47EE-A6C1-B15F02ACBA10@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Well done Paul! On the ball as always... HNY 2 All.... Ferrers P.S. While I'm 'On Air' - I'd like to publicise a "Photographic Art show" - at the Sainsbury Centre for Visual Arts (all photographs processed on Mac's) by my friend Andy Crouch and his colleague Andi Sapey - see http://www.scva.org.uk/exhibitions/forthcoming/?exhibition=108 . Andy is exhibiting some of his striking images of Norfolk - you can see examples of Andy's work @ http://www.andycrouch.co.uk . Hope you can enjoy it.... F > From: paul at durrant.co.uk > To: nmug at nmug.org.uk > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 22:18:30 +0000 > Subject: Re: [NMUG] A new scam > > It might have been trying to take advantage of a known security hole: > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/04/adobe_reader_attack/ > > Luckily for us, this only works on Windows machines. Well, the problem > exists in the Mac versions of Adobe Reader, but the current attacks > using the vulnerability only work on Windows. > > Always be careful of links in unsolicited emails. > > regards, > > > Paul > > On 4 Jan 2010, at 16:45, Michael Woodhouse wrote: > > > > I think that I may have just spotted a new scam. I purports to come > > from Adobe suggesting that update my reader et al. It looked on the > > surface as being OK. The e-mail was addressed to me by name which is > > good, but, then in the detail it refers to me as dear customer. I took > > another look at the PDF download and noticed it was from Abode not > > Adobe! I reckon it's another clever scam so It's now securely trashed. > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _________________________________________________________________ Add your Gmail and Yahoo! Mail email accounts into Hotmail - it's easy http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394592/direct/01/ From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Tue Jan 5 09:06:10 2010 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:06:10 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] exhibition In-Reply-To: References: <274B9D6B-DA77-45E1-B259-6690D68A1456@freeflightsupplies.co.uk>, <0041338F-3415-47EE-A6C1-B15F02ACBA10@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Ferrers Your mate Andy seems to like his food! Martin Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com is exhibiting some of his > striking images of Norfolk - you can see examples of Andy's work @ http://www.andycrouch.co.uk > . > From ghowells at f2s.com Tue Jan 5 12:25:51 2010 From: ghowells at f2s.com (G.Howells) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 12:25:51 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] VirtualBox In-Reply-To: References: <274B9D6B-DA77-45E1-B259-6690D68A1456@freeflightsupplies.co.uk>, <0041338F-3415-47EE-A6C1-B15F02ACBA10@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi. Following recent queries on NMUG I have just received the February MacFormat which has an article on "How to Run Windows inside OS X" which features VirtualBox (a copy of which is included on the MacFormat monthly disc) and with two pages on explanation and colour photos of screen-shots. Gordon. From mail at edmarlodge.co.uk Tue Jan 5 16:14:45 2010 From: mail at edmarlodge.co.uk (Raymond Paine) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:14:45 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] DVD/CD RW internal drive for G5 Message-ID: Hi All, Can anybody help with my drive problem. Until now my CD/DVD Drive has been OK. No it cannot read or burn DVD's. Has anyone an idea of a possible problem. Or if it need replacing where would it be best to look. I have G5 Mac Pro intel tower. With OS X 10.4.11. With Sony DVD RW DW-150A Drive. Any ideas appreciated. Ray From david.maskell at ntlworld.com Tue Jan 5 16:28:21 2010 From: david.maskell at ntlworld.com (David Maskell) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 16:28:21 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] DVD/CD RW internal drive for G5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I had this problem with my new Macbook Pro too, after scouring the web, I decided to splash out on a CD/DVD drive lens cleaner just to see if it did anything... and hey presto, all perfect working order again, reading and writing discs with gusto.... Just read some accounts on google... there are loads of people getting this problem, and fixing it just like I did... So before pulling it apart, and declaring dead, or taking it someone and paying for it to be looked at, just try that.... I can't remember where I got the lens cleaner disc from because my wife got it....but im sure any electrical place would have them... Good Luck David On 5 Jan 2010, at 16:14, Raymond Paine wrote: > > > Hi All, > Can anybody help with my drive problem. > Until now my CD/DVD Drive has been OK. > No it cannot read or burn DVD's. Has anyone > an idea of a possible problem. > Or if it need replacing where would it be best to look. > > I have G5 Mac Pro intel tower. With OS X 10.4.11. > With Sony DVD RW DW-150A Drive. > > Any ideas appreciated. > > > Ray > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ricnev at mac.com Tue Jan 5 16:57:13 2010 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:57:13 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] DVD/CD RW internal drive for G5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2DA78111-1D9A-4D36-8954-B229887D2AD2@mac.com> If David's lens cleaner suggestion doesn't do the trick, a new optical drive is not hugely expensive, or difficult to fit yourself. You need an IDE optical drive, such as the ones shown below, but there are many more which are suitable. http://www.macupgrades.co.uk/store/machine.php?name=mac-pro#cd Fitting instructions here: http://support.apple.com/manuals#mac%20pro But if you are not comfortable with DIY computer repairs, there are a number of Mac repair workshops in Norwich. On 5 Jan 2010, at 16:28, David Maskell wrote: > ... [tried a] lens cleaner just to > see if it did anything... > and hey presto, all perfect working order again > On 5 Jan 2010, at 16:14, Raymond Paine wrote: > >> >> >> Hi All, >> Can anybody help with my drive problem. >> Until now my CD/DVD Drive has been OK. >> No it cannot read or burn DVD's. Has anyone >> an idea of a possible problem. >> Or if it need replacing where would it be best to look. >> >> I have G5 Mac Pro intel tower. With OS X 10.4.11. >> With Sony DVD RW DW-150A Drive. Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From robharrington at mac.com Tue Jan 5 17:36:44 2010 From: robharrington at mac.com (Rob Harrington) Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 17:36:44 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] DVD/CD RW internal drive for G5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I had/have this problem with my G5 imac and just went out and bought a Lacie dvd burner for under ?80 which comes with Toast. RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob On 5 Jan 2010, at 16:14, Raymond Paine wrote: > > > Hi All, > Can anybody help with my drive problem. > Until now my CD/DVD Drive has been OK. > No it cannot read or burn DVD's. Has anyone > an idea of a possible problem. > Or if it need replacing where would it be best to look. > > I have G5 Mac Pro intel tower. With OS X 10.4.11. > With Sony DVD RW DW-150A Drive. > > Any ideas appreciated. > > > Ray > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug From richard_kelham at yahoo.co.uk Tue Jan 5 18:18:01 2010 From: richard_kelham at yahoo.co.uk (Richard Kelham) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 18:18:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [NMUG] a new scam In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <353894.16511.qm@web24707.mail.ird.yahoo.com> So far as I know if Adobe, or anyone else for that matter, wants to push an upgrade they flag up it's availability when you boot up the program, never by e-mail. Richard --- On Tue, 5/1/10, nmug-request at nmug.org.uk wrote: From: nmug-request at nmug.org.uk Subject: NMUG Digest, Vol 72, Issue 5 To: nmug at nmug.org.uk Date: Tuesday, 5 January, 2010, 12:00 Send NMUG mailing list submissions to ??? nmug at nmug.org.uk Message: 1 Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:45:20 +0000 From: Michael Woodhouse Subject: [NMUG] A new scam To: Norwich Mac User Group list Message-ID: ??? <274B9D6B-DA77-45E1-B259-6690D68A1456 at freeflightsupplies.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Guys I think that I may have just spotted a new scam. I purports to come? from Adobe suggesting that update my reader et al. It looked on the? surface as being OK. The e-mail was addressed to me by name which is? good, but, then in the detail it refers to me as dear customer. I took? another look at the PDF download and noticed it was from Abode not? Adobe! I reckon it's another clever scam so It's now securely trashed. I received an e-mail? from Michael Woodhouse mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ From valeriehardman at btinternet.com Wed Jan 6 11:47:28 2010 From: valeriehardman at btinternet.com (VALERIE HARDMAN) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:47:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [NMUG] map software for Mac In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <904091.27987.qm@web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Is there such a thing as a map of Europe much the same as on a satnav That can be bought and downloaded onto a Mac. I am looking for something that can be browsed on the computer zooming in and out for greater or less detail when planning a route. I want to download the complete map so that I can use it even when I am not connected to the internet. I know there are some for PC but can't find anything for Mac, thanks Valerie From karl.hortt at btinternet.com Wed Jan 6 11:58:23 2010 From: karl.hortt at btinternet.com (Karl hortt) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:58:23 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] problem with desktop Message-ID: <9E1F224D-82FB-4D23-85E7-3CD097FC32F0@btinternet.com> Hi All, I am using 10.6.2 on my Mac Pro when I turn off and restart the machine, the desktop icons, about 30 ! are all grouped in 3 columns on the right side of the screen I then have to spend 5 minutes re arranging them any ideas, how to stop them jumping around really annoying !! regards Karl From penguinsplj at me.com Wed Jan 6 12:00:07 2010 From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:00:07 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] map software for Mac In-Reply-To: <904091.27987.qm@web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <904091.27987.qm@web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <26ABB1C9-6D96-4369-8707-36097F435ACC@me.com> On Jan 6, 2010, at 11:47, VALERIE HARDMAN wrote: > Is there such a thing as a map of Europe much the same as on a satnav > That can be bought and downloaded onto a Mac. I am looking for > something that can be browsed on the computer zooming in and out for > greater or less detail when planning a route. I want to download the > complete map so that I can use it even when I am not connected to > the internet. With Google Earth you can plan routes and going to Print gives you the options to print the Driving Instructions for the route, print the map and print any particular areas of the route in detail like a tricky junction. Paul C From penguinsplj at me.com Wed Jan 6 12:03:05 2010 From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:03:05 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] problem with desktop In-Reply-To: <9E1F224D-82FB-4D23-85E7-3CD097FC32F0@btinternet.com> References: <9E1F224D-82FB-4D23-85E7-3CD097FC32F0@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <03374476-8022-40DD-BA8E-F37C45C2D89F@me.com> On Jan 6, 2010, at 11:58, Karl hortt wrote: > I am using 10.6.2 on my Mac Pro > when I turn off and restart the machine, the desktop icons, about 30 ! > are all grouped in 3 columns on the right side of the screen > I then have to spend 5 minutes re arranging them > any ideas, how to stop them jumping around > really annoying !! Look at View Options and see whether you have them set for Snap to Grid. Paul C From minkennison at mac.com Wed Jan 6 12:06:29 2010 From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:06:29 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] map software for Mac In-Reply-To: <26ABB1C9-6D96-4369-8707-36097F435ACC@me.com> References: <904091.27987.qm@web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <26ABB1C9-6D96-4369-8707-36097F435ACC@me.com> Message-ID: <0E2A38A4-C0D5-4ADD-9595-9B2B7CBD04C7@mac.com> I also use via Michelin. always printable and easy to follow Min On 6 Jan 2010, at 12:006 Jan 2010, Paul Chapman wrote: > > On Jan 6, 2010, at 11:47, VALERIE HARDMAN wrote: > >> Is there such a thing as a map of Europe much the same as on a satnav >> That can be bought and downloaded onto a Mac. I am looking for >> something that can be browsed on the computer zooming in and out for >> greater or less detail when planning a route. I want to download the >> complete map so that I can use it even when I am not connected to >> the internet. > > With Google Earth you can plan routes and going to Print gives you the > options to print the Driving Instructions for the route, print the map > and print any particular areas of the route in detail like a tricky > junction. > > Paul C > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Wed Jan 6 12:07:48 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:07:48 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] map software for Mac In-Reply-To: <904091.27987.qm@web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <904091.27987.qm@web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <95839031-8FF7-4313-B03C-A65538B8A75A@durrant.co.uk> http://www.routebuddy.com/routebuddy/index.html RouteBuddy seems to be the only current one available. You buy the software ($99.50) then buy maps. UK & Ireland is $39.99 for a road map. All of Europe is $199.99, Western Europe $149.99 and individual countries mostly $39.99. You can also buy OS maps. regards, Paul On 6 Jan 2010, at 11:47, VALERIE HARDMAN wrote: > Is there such a thing as a map of Europe much the same as on a satnav > That can be bought and downloaded onto a Mac. I am looking for > something that can be browsed on the computer zooming in and out for > greater or less detail when planning a route. I want to download the > complete map so that I can use it even when I am not connected to > the internet. > I know there are some for PC but can't find anything for Mac, > thanks > Valerie > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From macman at f2s.com Wed Jan 6 12:07:58 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:07:58 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] map software for Mac In-Reply-To: <904091.27987.qm@web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <904091.27987.qm@web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Don't know about downloadable maps, but you can use the RAC route planner: http://www.rac.co.uk/plan-a-trip/ Try Norwich - Paris as an example - you'll get every move detailed, plus a map door to door, right down to street level .... Robbie On 6 Jan 2010, at 11:47, VALERIE HARDMAN wrote: Is there such a thing as a map of Europe much the same as on a satnav That can be bought and downloaded onto a Mac. I am looking for something that can be browsed on the computer zooming in and out for greater or less detail when planning a route. I want to download the complete map so that I can use it even when I am not connected to the internet. I know there are some for PC but can't find anything for Mac, thanks Valerie _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ricnev at mac.com Wed Jan 6 12:11:29 2010 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 12:11:29 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] map software for Mac In-Reply-To: <904091.27987.qm@web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <904091.27987.qm@web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Route 66 Europe Mac is still available via Amazon, but its development stopped in 2004, so the maps will be somewhat out of date. Route Buddy is a Mac mapping program and does what you want - but the maps are not cheap. Having said that, they are not really expensive in comparison with paper/book maps. http://www.routebuddy.com/maps/road/index.html On 6 Jan 2010, at 11:47, VALERIE HARDMAN wrote: > Is there such a thing as a map of Europe much the same as on a satnav > That can be bought and downloaded onto a Mac. I am looking for something that can be browsed on the computer zooming in and out for greater or less detail when planning a route. I want to download the complete map so that I can use it even when I am not connected to the internet. > I know there are some for PC but can't find anything for Mac, > thanks > Valerie > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From macman at f2s.com Wed Jan 6 12:10:55 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:10:55 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] problem with desktop In-Reply-To: <9E1F224D-82FB-4D23-85E7-3CD097FC32F0@btinternet.com> References: <9E1F224D-82FB-4D23-85E7-3CD097FC32F0@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <456B3327-B6FF-4EFE-BADE-050B63F67EB4@f2s.com> View > Show View Options > Arrange > "None' will leave as is; 'Snap to Grid' will tidy into columns. Robbie On 6 Jan 2010, at 11:58, Karl hortt wrote: Hi All, I am using 10.6.2 on my Mac Pro when I turn off and restart the machine, the desktop icons, about 30 ! are all grouped in 3 columns on the right side of the screen I then have to spend 5 minutes re arranging them any ideas, how to stop them jumping around really annoying !! regards Karl _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From karl.hortt at btinternet.com Wed Jan 6 12:14:28 2010 From: karl.hortt at btinternet.com (Karl hortt) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:14:28 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] problem with desktop In-Reply-To: <03374476-8022-40DD-BA8E-F37C45C2D89F@me.com> References: <9E1F224D-82FB-4D23-85E7-3CD097FC32F0@btinternet.com> <03374476-8022-40DD-BA8E-F37C45C2D89F@me.com> Message-ID: <65A9BCF2-D6C6-4309-9FDD-29E0CE2AE745@btinternet.com> Hi Paul, No all turned off Karl On 6 Jan 2010, at 12:03, Paul Chapman wrote: > > On Jan 6, 2010, at 11:58, Karl hortt wrote: > >> I am using 10.6.2 on my Mac Pro >> when I turn off and restart the machine, the desktop icons, about 30 ! >> are all grouped in 3 columns on the right side of the screen >> I then have to spend 5 minutes re arranging them >> any ideas, how to stop them jumping around >> really annoying !! > > Look at View Options and see whether you have them set for Snap to Grid. > > Paul C > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From karl.hortt at btinternet.com Wed Jan 6 12:16:00 2010 From: karl.hortt at btinternet.com (Karl hortt) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:16:00 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] problem with desktop In-Reply-To: <456B3327-B6FF-4EFE-BADE-050B63F67EB4@f2s.com> References: <9E1F224D-82FB-4D23-85E7-3CD097FC32F0@btinternet.com> <456B3327-B6FF-4EFE-BADE-050B63F67EB4@f2s.com> Message-ID: <760D4C51-0247-43E4-97DC-4F2DF99D50AD@btinternet.com> Setting are "None", but it still re arranges ???? Karl On 6 Jan 2010, at 12:10, Robbie Murray wrote: > View > Show View Options > Arrange > > > "None' will leave as is; 'Snap to Grid' will tidy into columns. > > Robbie > > > > On 6 Jan 2010, at 11:58, Karl hortt wrote: > > > Hi All, > > I am using 10.6.2 on my Mac Pro > > when I turn off and restart the machine, the desktop icons, about 30 ! > > are all grouped in 3 columns on the right side of the screen > > I then have to spend 5 minutes re arranging them > > any ideas, how to stop them jumping around > > really annoying !! > > regards > > Karl > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Wed Jan 6 12:27:46 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:27:46 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] problem with desktop In-Reply-To: <760D4C51-0247-43E4-97DC-4F2DF99D50AD@btinternet.com> References: <9E1F224D-82FB-4D23-85E7-3CD097FC32F0@btinternet.com> <456B3327-B6FF-4EFE-BADE-050B63F67EB4@f2s.com> <760D4C51-0247-43E4-97DC-4F2DF99D50AD@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Did you jumble them up again first? Robbie On 6 Jan 2010, at 12:16, Karl hortt wrote: Setting are "None", but it still re arranges ???? Karl On 6 Jan 2010, at 12:10, Robbie Murray wrote: > View > Show View Options > Arrange > > > "None' will leave as is; 'Snap to Grid' will tidy into columns. > > Robbie > > > > On 6 Jan 2010, at 11:58, Karl hortt wrote: > > > Hi All, > > I am using 10.6.2 on my Mac Pro > > when I turn off and restart the machine, the desktop icons, about 30 ! > > are all grouped in 3 columns on the right side of the screen > > I then have to spend 5 minutes re arranging them > > any ideas, how to stop them jumping around > > really annoying !! > > regards > > Karl > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From karl.hortt at btinternet.com Wed Jan 6 12:53:39 2010 From: karl.hortt at btinternet.com (Karl hortt) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:53:39 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] problem with desktop In-Reply-To: References: <9E1F224D-82FB-4D23-85E7-3CD097FC32F0@btinternet.com> <456B3327-B6FF-4EFE-BADE-050B63F67EB4@f2s.com> <760D4C51-0247-43E4-97DC-4F2DF99D50AD@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <7EECE188-A5A6-462F-9F24-BCC9636B545B@btinternet.com> The setting have always been on "None" I re arrange them, reboot and they are back in columns Karl On 6 Jan 2010, at 12:27, Robbie Murray wrote: > Did you jumble them up again first? > > Robbie > > On 6 Jan 2010, at 12:16, Karl hortt wrote: > > > > Setting are "None", but it still re arranges ???? > > > Karl > > > > > On 6 Jan 2010, at 12:10, Robbie Murray wrote: > >> View > Show View Options > Arrange > >> >> "None' will leave as is; 'Snap to Grid' will tidy into columns. >> >> Robbie >> >> >> >> On 6 Jan 2010, at 11:58, Karl hortt wrote: >> >> >> Hi All, >> >> I am using 10.6.2 on my Mac Pro >> >> when I turn off and restart the machine, the desktop icons, about 30 ! >> >> are all grouped in 3 columns on the right side of the screen >> >> I then have to spend 5 minutes re arranging them >> >> any ideas, how to stop them jumping around >> >> really annoying !! >> >> regards >> >> Karl >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From brian at clearlight.uk.net Wed Jan 6 19:09:28 2010 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:09:28 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] problem with desktop In-Reply-To: <9E1F224D-82FB-4D23-85E7-3CD097FC32F0@btinternet.com> Message-ID: they are behaving as if they are set to be 'organised'. Look in Finder : View : Show view options hope this helps regards Brian Karl hortt said recently: > > Hi All, > > I am using 10.6.2 on my Mac Pro > > when I turn off and restart the machine, the desktop icons, about 30 ! > > are all grouped in 3 columns on the right side of the screen > > I then have to spend 5 minutes re arranging them > > any ideas, how to stop them jumping around > > really annoying !! > > regards > > Karl > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From jill at 2js.org Wed Jan 6 19:22:19 2010 From: jill at 2js.org (Jill Searle) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:22:19 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] GooogleMaps Message-ID: <7F0A53B3-F481-4031-901E-C8C838D46889@2js.org> Hi Valerie I simply use Google 'maps', traffic/terrain etc they are so useful in many ways for touring & immediately to hand! Jill From ghowells at f2s.com Wed Jan 6 22:27:44 2010 From: ghowells at f2s.com (G.Howells) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 22:27:44 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] problem with desktop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Karl. Does the heading on that small window where you show view options as "Arrange by: NONE" say "Desktop" : it should. Gordon. >they are behaving as if they are set to be 'organised'. >Look in Finder : View : Show view options > >hope this helps > >regards >Brian > > >Karl hortt said recently: > >> >> Hi All, >> >> I am using 10.6.2 on my Mac Pro >> >> when I turn off and restart the machine, the desktop icons, about 30 ! >> >> are all grouped in 3 columns on the right side of the screen >> >> I then have to spend 5 minutes re arranging them >> >> any ideas, how to stop them jumping around >> >> really annoying !! >> >> regards >> >> Karl >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: >>http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Thu Jan 7 11:39:27 2010 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 11:39:27 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Time Machine Message-ID: I have two spare 500 GB La Cie hard disks. Can I use them together asa 1TB disk for time machine? Nathan From valeriehardman at btinternet.com Thu Jan 7 12:15:16 2010 From: valeriehardman at btinternet.com (VALERIE HARDMAN) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:15:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 72, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <126322.7861.qm@web86502.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Thanks to everyone who gave me some advice. It is much appreciated. I am looking at Route Buddy for Europe and will find out a bit more about the maps. I do already use Google as a planning tool and yes it is great but I think I have to be online. I want something I can use when travelling, in other words journeys that aren't pre-planned. We do have a good satnav and for planning I use this in conjunction with Google but always online. If I can get Google Maps to use offline would somebody please let me know. best wishes Valerie > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 19:22:19 +0000 > From: Jill Searle > Subject: [NMUG] GooogleMaps > To: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Message-ID: <7F0A53B3-F481-4031-901E-C8C838D46889 at 2js.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi Valerie > I simply use Google 'maps', traffic/terrain etc they are so > useful in many ways for touring & immediately to hand! > Jill > From alanbarber at mac.com Thu Jan 7 12:38:13 2010 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 12:38:13 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] audiophile Message-ID: I have moved my hifi equipment to a more convenient place to record lp's tapes etc to digital. But not having used my double cassette deck for years I find 1 side runs slow and stops the other will not play. Both will fast forward and rewind. I have cleaned the heads, wheels etc. but wondered if anyone out there has any tips to get it going again. Or if not a reasonably priced repairer. Regards Alan From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Thu Jan 7 12:49:23 2010 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:49:23 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] AppleCare Message-ID: <98415B83-ED2D-4994-994F-27C1C35B7066@virgin.net> Hello, May I please have thoughts and experience of Applecare? I believe Paul C and Paul D have had favourable experience. If bought on Ebay how does one know if is genuine ( without waiting to see 'if it works' if/when you need it!)? Lastly, at the December meeting, Apple's tight pricing control was mentioned. How does this accord with cut price Applecare bought on eBay? Ken Arnoldi From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu Jan 7 12:53:02 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:53:02 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Time Machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <90CF9CCB-4737-4EC7-AF12-DE2971978267@durrant.co.uk> Yes, you just need to format them using Disk Utility as a concatenated RAID. Look in the disk utility help for instructions on how to do this. Note that by doing this you double the chances of failure, as if either disk breaks down, the entire concatenated RAID structure fails. regards, Paul On 7 Jan 2010, at 11:39, nathan crosby wrote: > I have two spare 500 GB La Cie hard disks. Can I use them together asa > 1TB disk for time machine? From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu Jan 7 12:55:24 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 12:55:24 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] AppleCare In-Reply-To: <98415B83-ED2D-4994-994F-27C1C35B7066@virgin.net> References: <98415B83-ED2D-4994-994F-27C1C35B7066@virgin.net> Message-ID: <4757A614-8AF3-4D66-A6CC-1CBE16FF560F@durrant.co.uk> I look for people with good feedback from people who have bought AppleCare. I think that AppleCare probably has quite a high retail margin (unlike Apple's hardware), and also varies from country to country. But I must admit to not being entirely sure how they manage it. regards, Paul On 7 Jan 2010, at 12:49, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > Hello, > May I please have thoughts and experience of Applecare? > I believe Paul C and Paul D have had favourable experience. > If bought on Ebay how does one know if is genuine ( without waiting to > see 'if it works' if/when you need it!)? > Lastly, at the December meeting, Apple's tight pricing control was > mentioned. > How does this accord with cut price Applecare bought on eBay? From kelvinyoungs at mac.com Thu Jan 7 12:55:53 2010 From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 12:55:53 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] AppleCare In-Reply-To: <98415B83-ED2D-4994-994F-27C1C35B7066@virgin.net> References: <98415B83-ED2D-4994-994F-27C1C35B7066@virgin.net> Message-ID: <4A2CDEA2-01B9-44C7-A7D2-23C5CD3E0837@mac.com> I know that my brother has used it and found it superb although he purchased from Apple. I also have it but not had the misfortune to use it as yet. Worth every penny I understand ? especially as they get older. Kelvin On 7 Jan 2010, at 12:49, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > Hello, > May I please have thoughts and experience of Applecare? From ricnev at mac.com Thu Jan 7 12:58:56 2010 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 12:58:56 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 72, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: <126322.7861.qm@web86502.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <126322.7861.qm@web86502.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <082AF85C-123F-436C-A3A4-52C97FFD92C4@mac.com> Google use Tele Atlas data (with other data) for their GoogleMaps service. Route Buddy also use Tele Atlas for their mapping. On 7 Jan 2010, at 12:15, VALERIE HARDMAN wrote: > Thanks to everyone who gave me some advice. It is much appreciated. > I am looking at Route Buddy for Europe and will find out a bit more about the maps. I do already use Google as a planning tool and yes it is great but I think I have to be online. I want something I can use when travelling, in other words journeys that aren't pre-planned. We do have a good satnav and for planning I use this in conjunction with Google but always online. If I can get Google Maps to use offline would somebody please let me know. > best wishes > Valerie > > Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From swimwire at googlemail.com Thu Jan 7 13:23:51 2010 From: swimwire at googlemail.com (Jack Webb-Heller) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 13:23:51 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iTouch In-Reply-To: <89B47BCB-FFE3-4B82-BE63-0062392369F6@gmail.com> References: <89B47BCB-FFE3-4B82-BE63-0062392369F6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <23F7BDC8-A128-470B-8ED6-9392A9C1467A@googlemail.com> Sorry I didn't reply sooner, if you haven't yet got your problem sorted out I'd recommend backing up your iPod Touch (right click it in iTunes, choose back up) then Restoring it (right click, Restore). It should keep all your data intact, just refresh the filesystem so hopefully you won't have any errors again. Good luck. On 2 Jan 2010, at 17:08, Richard Stewart wrote: > Hi, A Happy and I hope, a prosperous New Year to all you NMUGers. Lately, when I attempt to sync my iTouch, a message pops up to say"The 'my name' ipod cannot be synced,the required file cannot be found" How do I rectify this? > > Richard Stewart > rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Jack Webb-Heller personal: jack at jackwebbheller.com general: swimwire at googlemail.com http://jackwebbheller.com From swimwire at googlemail.com Thu Jan 7 13:30:41 2010 From: swimwire at googlemail.com (Jack Webb-Heller) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 13:30:41 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Spacers in the Dock Message-ID: <67D0FBE9-99FE-43F8-9151-7F0875793665@googlemail.com> Hi all, If you're using 10.5 or above I discovered this nifty trick to add Spacers to your dock. It simply inserts a blank space into the dock that you can use to separate applications with - for example, I have Finder, Dashboard, iCal - then a spacer - then Safari, Mail, and Tweetie - then a spacer - then all the iLife programs - etc. I'll admit 'installing' it is a little tricky but is fairly simple. 1. Launch Terminal 2. Copy and paste this command: defaults write com.apple.dock persistent-apps -array-add '{tile-data={}; tile-type="spacer-tile";}' 3. Now type in killall Dock 4. The dock will disappear then reappear, and you'll have a blank space at the end of your dock. You can drag it around like a normal icon, and if you want to get rid of it just drag it out of the dock like you would a normal icon. You can shift it left and right to seperate out all your different groups of programs. Hope this is helpful to some, Jack Webb-Heller personal: jack at jackwebbheller.com general: swimwire at googlemail.com http://jackwebbheller.com From macman at f2s.com Thu Jan 7 13:44:38 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 13:44:38 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] audiophile In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <594BEB63-EA42-4F18-AAB7-C7E6C94854B5@f2s.com> Could be deterioration and slipping of drive belts, Alan. I had a similar problem once before, and was able to get a replacement from Hubbards in Aylsham Road (just up from St Augustines traffic lights), but I had stripped it down to get to the faulty part and then reassembled. If you need someone to look at it, in my experience it's generally not worth it as they often charge about ?40.00 just to diagnose the problem, and you could well find one on eBay for much less. You may want to have a look on Freegle - there seem to be plenty being given away on a regular basis, but usually with the same phrase you used yourself - 'hasn't been used for years'! Robbie On 7 Jan 2010, at 12:38, Alan Barber wrote: I have moved my hifi equipment to a more convenient place to record lp's tapes etc to digital. But not having used my double cassette deck for years I find 1 side runs slow and stops the other will not play. Both will fast forward and rewind. I have cleaned the heads, wheels etc. but wondered if anyone out there has any tips to get it going again. Or if not a reasonably priced repairer. Regards Alan _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ricnev at mac.com Thu Jan 7 13:57:48 2010 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 13:57:48 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] audiophile In-Reply-To: <594BEB63-EA42-4F18-AAB7-C7E6C94854B5@f2s.com> References: <594BEB63-EA42-4F18-AAB7-C7E6C94854B5@f2s.com> Message-ID: <65878EFD-3DA1-49B7-9CF1-13AA8FF18344@mac.com> For perhaps less than probable repair costs, Alan, you might consider one of these: http://www.johnlewis.com/230674643/Product.aspx?source=14798 On 7 Jan 2010, at 13:44, Robbie Murray wrote: > Could be deterioration and slipping of drive belts, Alan. > > I had a similar problem once before, and was able to get a replacement > from Hubbards in Aylsham Road (just up from St Augustines traffic > lights), but I had stripped it down to get to the faulty part and then > reassembled. > > If you need someone to look at it, in my experience it's generally not > worth it as they often charge about ?40.00 just to diagnose the > problem, and you could well find one on eBay for much less. > > You may want to have a look on Freegle - there seem to be plenty being > given away on a regular basis, but usually with the same phrase you > used yourself - 'hasn't been used for years'! > > > Robbie > > > > On 7 Jan 2010, at 12:38, Alan Barber wrote: > > I have moved my hifi equipment to a more convenient place > to record lp's tapes etc to digital. > But not having used my double cassette deck for years I find > 1 side runs slow and stops the other will not play. Both will fast > forward and rewind. > I have cleaned the heads, wheels etc. but wondered if anyone out there > has any tips to get it going again. > Or if not a reasonably priced repairer. > > Regards > > Alan > Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From alanbarber at mac.com Thu Jan 7 14:16:15 2010 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 14:16:15 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] audiophile In-Reply-To: <65878EFD-3DA1-49B7-9CF1-13AA8FF18344@mac.com> References: <594BEB63-EA42-4F18-AAB7-C7E6C94854B5@f2s.com> <65878EFD-3DA1-49B7-9CF1-13AA8FF18344@mac.com> Message-ID: Thanks Robbie and Richard I kinda thought that was the case. Having been listening to music mostly via ipod and mp3 I am staggered by the quality of my old hifi system. My Dual turntable has stopped working now - oh well! Regards Alan On 7 Jan 2010, at 13:57, Richard Nevill wrote: > For perhaps less than probable repair costs, Alan, you might > consider one of these: > > http://www.johnlewis.com/230674643/Product.aspx?source=14798 > > > On 7 Jan 2010, at 13:44, Robbie Murray wrote: > >> Could be deterioration and slipping of drive belts, Alan. >> >> I had a similar problem once before, and was able to get a >> replacement >> from Hubbards in Aylsham Road (just up from St Augustines traffic >> lights), but I had stripped it down to get to the faulty part and >> then >> reassembled. >> >> If you need someone to look at it, in my experience it's generally >> not >> worth it as they often charge about ?40.00 just to diagnose the >> problem, and you could well find one on eBay for much less. >> >> You may want to have a look on Freegle - there seem to be plenty >> being >> given away on a regular basis, but usually with the same phrase you >> used yourself - 'hasn't been used for years'! >> >> >> Robbie >> >> >> >> On 7 Jan 2010, at 12:38, Alan Barber wrote: >> >> I have moved my hifi equipment to a more convenient place >> to record lp's tapes etc to digital. >> But not having used my double cassette deck for years I find >> 1 side runs slow and stops the other will not play. Both will fast >> forward and rewind. >> I have cleaned the heads, wheels etc. but wondered if anyone out >> there >> has any tips to get it going again. >> Or if not a reasonably priced repairer. >> >> Regards >> >> Alan >> > > Richard Nevill > ricnev at mac.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ricnev at mac.com Thu Jan 7 14:24:54 2010 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 14:24:54 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] audiophile In-Reply-To: References: <594BEB63-EA42-4F18-AAB7-C7E6C94854B5@f2s.com> <65878EFD-3DA1-49B7-9CF1-13AA8FF18344@mac.com> Message-ID: The most likely cause of this is a perished or stretched belt - these are easily replaced, and can be obtained quite cheaply: http://www.musonic.co.uk/turntable-belts-by-name-dual-c-24_28_43.html But if the motor has gone, that's another matter... On 7 Jan 2010, at 14:16, Alan Barber wrote: > My Dual turntable has stopped working now - oh well! Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From alanbarber at mac.com Thu Jan 7 14:43:20 2010 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 14:43:20 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] audiophile In-Reply-To: References: <594BEB63-EA42-4F18-AAB7-C7E6C94854B5@f2s.com> <65878EFD-3DA1-49B7-9CF1-13AA8FF18344@mac.com> Message-ID: <31F890FE-782C-427B-8C29-5A2984FFAF2A@mac.com> Actually its not the mechanics its the sound. Was playing an lp ok changed to another and nothing. Guess its a switch or a cable am looking at it again tomorrow. Often just leaving well alone works for me. Regards Alan On 7 Jan 2010, at 14:24, Richard Nevill wrote: > The most likely cause of this is a perished or stretched belt - > these are easily replaced, and can be obtained quite cheaply: > > http://www.musonic.co.uk/turntable-belts-by-name-dual-c-24_28_43.html > > But if the motor has gone, that's another matter... > > > On 7 Jan 2010, at 14:16, Alan Barber wrote: > >> My Dual turntable has stopped working now - oh well! > > Richard Nevill > ricnev at mac.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ricnev at mac.com Thu Jan 7 14:56:05 2010 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 14:56:05 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] audiophile In-Reply-To: <31F890FE-782C-427B-8C29-5A2984FFAF2A@mac.com> References: <594BEB63-EA42-4F18-AAB7-C7E6C94854B5@f2s.com> <65878EFD-3DA1-49B7-9CF1-13AA8FF18344@mac.com> <31F890FE-782C-427B-8C29-5A2984FFAF2A@mac.com> Message-ID: Sounds (!) like dirty headshell or stylus contacts to me. Just removing and replacing the stylus and the headshell wires/assembly should be enough to wipe the oxides off the contacts. If this doesn't cure it, then checking the audio signal electrical path (cable connectors etc) back to the pre-amp/amplifier might be in order. Switches can play up if they haven't been used for a while, but flicking them back and forth a few times often brings them back to good health. On 7 Jan 2010, at 14:43, Alan Barber wrote: > Actually its not the mechanics its the sound. > Was playing an lp ok changed to another and nothing. > Guess its a switch or a cable am looking at it again tomorrow. > Often just leaving well alone works for me. > > Regards > > Alan > > > On 7 Jan 2010, at 14:24, Richard Nevill wrote: > >> The most likely cause of this is a perished or stretched belt - >> these are easily replaced, and can be obtained quite cheaply: >> >> http://www.musonic.co.uk/turntable-belts-by-name-dual-c-24_28_43.html >> >> But if the motor has gone, that's another matter... >> >> >> On 7 Jan 2010, at 14:16, Alan Barber wrote: >> >>> My Dual turntable has stopped working now - oh well! >> >> Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From alanbarber at mac.com Thu Jan 7 15:20:48 2010 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 15:20:48 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] audiophile In-Reply-To: References: <594BEB63-EA42-4F18-AAB7-C7E6C94854B5@f2s.com> <65878EFD-3DA1-49B7-9CF1-13AA8FF18344@mac.com> <31F890FE-782C-427B-8C29-5A2984FFAF2A@mac.com> Message-ID: Thank you Regards Alan On 7 Jan 2010, at 14:56, Richard Nevill wrote: > Sounds (!) like dirty headshell or stylus contacts to me. Just > removing and replacing the stylus and the headshell wires/assembly > should be enough to wipe the oxides off the contacts. If this > doesn't cure it, then checking the audio signal electrical path > (cable connectors etc) back to the pre-amp/amplifier might be in > order. Switches can play up if they haven't been used for a while, > but flicking them back and forth a few times often brings them back > to good health. > > > On 7 Jan 2010, at 14:43, Alan Barber wrote: > >> Actually its not the mechanics its the sound. >> Was playing an lp ok changed to another and nothing. >> Guess its a switch or a cable am looking at it again tomorrow. >> Often just leaving well alone works for me. >> >> Regards >> >> Alan >> >> >> On 7 Jan 2010, at 14:24, Richard Nevill wrote: >> >>> The most likely cause of this is a perished or stretched belt - >>> these are easily replaced, and can be obtained quite cheaply: >>> >>> http://www.musonic.co.uk/turntable-belts-by-name-dual- >>> c-24_28_43.html >>> >>> But if the motor has gone, that's another matter... >>> >>> >>> On 7 Jan 2010, at 14:16, Alan Barber wrote: >>> >>>> My Dual turntable has stopped working now - oh well! >>> >>> > > Richard Nevill > ricnev at mac.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Thu Jan 7 16:02:38 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 16:02:38 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] audiophile In-Reply-To: References: <594BEB63-EA42-4F18-AAB7-C7E6C94854B5@f2s.com> <65878EFD-3DA1-49B7-9CF1-13AA8FF18344@mac.com> Message-ID: But you can play the iPod through the Hi Fi - all you need is an AUX input to the Amp, and if there isn't a 3.5mm jack socket, you can buy a charging Cradle / Dock with remote control and stereo RCA inputs to your Hi Fi - I have a Kensington with remote control and it's brilliant! Robbie On 7 Jan 2010, at 14:16, Alan Barber wrote: Thanks Robbie and Richard I kinda thought that was the case. Having been listening to music mostly via ipod and mp3 I am staggered by the quality of my old hifi system. My Dual turntable has stopped working now - oh well! Regards Alan On 7 Jan 2010, at 13:57, Richard Nevill wrote: > For perhaps less than probable repair costs, Alan, you might > consider one of these: > > http://www.johnlewis.com/230674643/Product.aspx?source=14798 > > > On 7 Jan 2010, at 13:44, Robbie Murray wrote: > >> Could be deterioration and slipping of drive belts, Alan. >> >> I had a similar problem once before, and was able to get a >> replacement >> from Hubbards in Aylsham Road (just up from St Augustines traffic >> lights), but I had stripped it down to get to the faulty part and >> then >> reassembled. >> >> If you need someone to look at it, in my experience it's generally >> not >> worth it as they often charge about ?40.00 just to diagnose the >> problem, and you could well find one on eBay for much less. >> >> You may want to have a look on Freegle - there seem to be plenty >> being >> given away on a regular basis, but usually with the same phrase you >> used yourself - 'hasn't been used for years'! >> >> >> Robbie >> >> >> >> On 7 Jan 2010, at 12:38, Alan Barber wrote: >> >> I have moved my hifi equipment to a more convenient place >> to record lp's tapes etc to digital. >> But not having used my double cassette deck for years I find >> 1 side runs slow and stops the other will not play. Both will fast >> forward and rewind. >> I have cleaned the heads, wheels etc. but wondered if anyone out >> there >> has any tips to get it going again. >> Or if not a reasonably priced repairer. >> >> Regards >> >> Alan >> > > Richard Nevill > ricnev at mac.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com Thu Jan 7 18:37:02 2010 From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 18:37:02 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Mac Book? Message-ID: <908E2649-CF55-4342-9281-A63EC51DBA2C@ruthmurray.f2s.com> A friend of mine is thinking about coming over from the dark side. Anyone got a MacBook for sale. Sorry, Paul D - I have only just heard about this! Ruth Ruth Murray ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com Ruth Murray Graphic Design and Illustration 01603 632334 Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu Jan 7 19:30:34 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 19:30:34 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Mac Book? In-Reply-To: <908E2649-CF55-4342-9281-A63EC51DBA2C@ruthmurray.f2s.com> References: <908E2649-CF55-4342-9281-A63EC51DBA2C@ruthmurray.f2s.com> Message-ID: <6289F311-FFA5-4C00-9513-5ECB8AA8FB8A@durrant.co.uk> Apple currently have a White 2.13 refurb (with firewire) for ?659 http://store.apple.com/uk/product/FC240B/A?mco=MTA4MzIxNjk comes with Snow Leopard and iLife '09. regards, Paul On 7 Jan 2010, at 18:37, Ruth Murray wrote: > A friend of mine is thinking about coming over from the dark side. > > Anyone got a MacBook for sale. > > Sorry, Paul D - I have only just heard about this! > > Ruth > > Ruth Murray > ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com > > Ruth Murray > Graphic Design and Illustration > 01603 632334 > > Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From mail at edmarlodge.co.uk Thu Jan 7 19:51:33 2010 From: mail at edmarlodge.co.uk (Raymond Paine) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 19:51:33 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] DVD/CD RW internalDrive G5. Message-ID: <641439AE-E43F-444D-859F-711F93281457@edmarlodge.co.uk> Hi All, Many thanks to those who answered my problem. David. I did try the lens cleaner but the drive had completely stopped. Richard. many thanks for the site address for the Manual. I managed to buy an LG New Black22 X IDE CD.DVDRW internal drive in the city and fitted it within 30 minutes. Everything is now up and working. Ray From swimwire at googlemail.com Thu Jan 7 20:06:27 2010 From: swimwire at googlemail.com (Jack Webb-Heller) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 20:06:27 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] SPODs Message-ID: <73AE74D2-CD9B-458D-9481-1F5C1765AC77@googlemail.com> Hi all, I know it's quite an ambiguous question, so, I'm sorry. But recently (since this morning) I've been having a high number of recurring SPODs appearing roughly once every 5 minutes, although it can be as often as every 1 minute on my new MacBook running Snow Leopard with the latest updates. I've done the obvious stuff - namely closed all my applications and only run whatever's necessary, restarted (twice), etc. I've looked in Activity Monitor but there isn't really much information in there I can make sense of... not only is the Mac making the spinning pizzas but it does also seem generally more laggy than normal. Earlier on in the day, Finder/the Dock/Expose all seemed to crash together. The dock (which is set to auto-hide) would not appear when I moved my mouse in the area. Expose worked fine when switching between applications using the horizontal grid of icons method, but when I tried to use it in the darken-screen-show-all-windows method (if you get what I mean...) whenever I clicked on a window to switch to, Expose controlled the window from the grid itself! And Finder seemed regularly buggy and wouldn't move forward/back a folder etc. A restart fixed all this, but I think the problems have been happening since these errors. Like I say, I know it's only been a few hours but I thought with the reliability of a Mac things would've cleared up by now with a restart and refresh etc. I haven't installed any new applications in about a week, either. Thanks very much for your help! Jack Webb-Heller personal: jack at jackwebbheller.com general: swimwire at googlemail.com http://jackwebbheller.com From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com Thu Jan 7 20:15:42 2010 From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 20:15:42 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] SPODs In-Reply-To: <73AE74D2-CD9B-458D-9481-1F5C1765AC77@googlemail.com> References: <73AE74D2-CD9B-458D-9481-1F5C1765AC77@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <86E92B9D-B3BF-4FB2-B090-63D09088B2F0@gmail.com> I know that perhaps I'm showing my ignorance but I don't mind if I'm the only one. What the h*** is a SPOD On 7 Jan 2010, at 20:06, Jack Webb-Heller wrote: high number of recurring SPODs From swimwire at googlemail.com Thu Jan 7 20:19:43 2010 From: swimwire at googlemail.com (Jack Webb-Heller) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 20:19:43 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] SPODs In-Reply-To: <86E92B9D-B3BF-4FB2-B090-63D09088B2F0@gmail.com> References: <73AE74D2-CD9B-458D-9481-1F5C1765AC77@googlemail.com> <86E92B9D-B3BF-4FB2-B090-63D09088B2F0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <60379B99-51BF-4919-98CB-F57F41E18860@googlemail.com> Oh damn sorry, it's just what I've always called them and haven't known them as anything else - Spinning Pizza of Death. Those shiny multi-coloured spinning wheels that appear when Mac stops responding and is being difficult. I should have mentioned it! On 7 Jan 2010, at 20:15, Richard Stewart wrote: > I know that perhaps I'm showing my ignorance but I don't mind if I'm the only one. What the h*** is a SPOD > On 7 Jan 2010, at 20:06, Jack Webb-Heller wrote: > > high number of recurring SPODs > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Jack Webb-Heller personal: jack at jackwebbheller.com general: swimwire at googlemail.com http://jackwebbheller.com From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com Thu Jan 7 20:24:51 2010 From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 20:24:51 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] SPODs In-Reply-To: <60379B99-51BF-4919-98CB-F57F41E18860@googlemail.com> References: <73AE74D2-CD9B-458D-9481-1F5C1765AC77@googlemail.com> <86E92B9D-B3BF-4FB2-B090-63D09088B2F0@gmail.com> <60379B99-51BF-4919-98CB-F57F41E18860@googlemail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the info clear up. Sounds like a case for - Time Machine. Have you downloaded something that might have given your machine indigestion? On 7 Jan 2010, at 20:19, Jack Webb-Heller wrote: Spinning Pizza of Death. From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu Jan 7 20:25:18 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 20:25:18 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] SPODs In-Reply-To: <73AE74D2-CD9B-458D-9481-1F5C1765AC77@googlemail.com> References: <73AE74D2-CD9B-458D-9481-1F5C1765AC77@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <90975DC6-61C6-43FC-BE9C-5B9254727795@durrant.co.uk> One common cause of SPODs is running out of memory, causing the Mac to pause while it pages some memory out to disk. And, of course, also pausing when you switch applications to page that memory back from disk. Check the memory tab of the activity monitor window - are there lots of page outs? regards, Paul On 7 Jan 2010, at 20:06, Jack Webb-Heller wrote: > Hi all, > > I know it's quite an ambiguous question, so, I'm sorry. But recently > (since this morning) I've been having a high number of recurring > SPODs appearing roughly once every 5 minutes, although it can be as > often as every 1 minute on my new MacBook running Snow Leopard with > the latest updates. From swimwire at googlemail.com Thu Jan 7 20:27:24 2010 From: swimwire at googlemail.com (Jack Webb-Heller) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 20:27:24 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] SPODs In-Reply-To: <90975DC6-61C6-43FC-BE9C-5B9254727795@durrant.co.uk> References: <73AE74D2-CD9B-458D-9481-1F5C1765AC77@googlemail.com> <90975DC6-61C6-43FC-BE9C-5B9254727795@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <7C77E3D6-9836-4E98-A4B6-3AAE2647ECD4@googlemail.com> Kept an eye on it for a few minutes whilst using it normally - Page Outs are sticking at around 10MB... I'm trusting that's a good sign? On 7 Jan 2010, at 20:25, Paul Durrant wrote: > > Check the memory tab of the activity monitor window - are there lots > of page outs? > > regards, > > Paul From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu Jan 7 20:32:50 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 20:32:50 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] SPODs In-Reply-To: <7C77E3D6-9836-4E98-A4B6-3AAE2647ECD4@googlemail.com> References: <73AE74D2-CD9B-458D-9481-1F5C1765AC77@googlemail.com> <90975DC6-61C6-43FC-BE9C-5B9254727795@durrant.co.uk> <7C77E3D6-9836-4E98-A4B6-3AAE2647ECD4@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <2F85B861-BE5A-46C3-9BF3-32D1CAFEE49D@durrant.co.uk> 10MB isn't much. But that there are any at all show that you're at times running to your limit of memory. So long as you have Free and Inactive memory showing, you have free memory (Inactive memory has data in it, but it's not data that's needed anymore) It might be worth leaving up the Floating CPU Window in a corner of the screen - that way, when you get a SPOD, you'll be able to tell if it's CPU overload or something else. It's usually something else. The SPOD essentially says that the OS is waiting for some resource to become available. See how things go while you're using it normally for a bit. And then check memory again. regards, Paul On 7 Jan 2010, at 20:27, Jack Webb-Heller wrote: > Kept an eye on it for a few minutes whilst using it normally - Page > Outs are sticking at around 10MB... I'm trusting that's a good sign? > > On 7 Jan 2010, at 20:25, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> >> Check the memory tab of the activity monitor window - are there lots >> of page outs? From swimwire at googlemail.com Thu Jan 7 20:47:15 2010 From: swimwire at googlemail.com (Jack Webb-Heller) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 20:47:15 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] SPODs In-Reply-To: <2F85B861-BE5A-46C3-9BF3-32D1CAFEE49D@durrant.co.uk> References: <73AE74D2-CD9B-458D-9481-1F5C1765AC77@googlemail.com> <90975DC6-61C6-43FC-BE9C-5B9254727795@durrant.co.uk> <7C77E3D6-9836-4E98-A4B6-3AAE2647ECD4@googlemail.com> <2F85B861-BE5A-46C3-9BF3-32D1CAFEE49D@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Cheers Paul for your help. It seems quite clear to me that in about 10 minutes 'regular' usage, it's not to do with CPU. The CPU indicator remained in the bottom 25% throughout most of the time, yet I counted 9 SPODs in total... more than I initially thought. I was still getting these SPODs earlier on when booted up 'fresh', literally it had restarted five minutes ago and all I had open was Mail and Safari and still I would be SPODded regularly. So what's next? You say 'as long as you have free and inactive memory showing, you have free memory' - I have according to Activity Monitor at most times around 600MB free. Just a couple of small queries - 1. Does the SPOD have an 'official' name? 2. (Off-topic) I notice most of you on the mailing list usually only quote a significant part of what you're replying to below the email, whereas when clicking 'Reply' the entire previous conversation is automatically added below where you type. Is there a way to select which part you'd like placed below, i.e. by highlighting the significant paragraph then replying or something? I tried this but it didn't seem to work, so, do you all typically just erase manually? Thank you everyone for your help, it is much appreciated. I've had 3 SPODs so far just typing this! On 7 Jan 2010, at 20:32, Paul Durrant wrote: > 10MB isn't much. But that there are any at all show that you're at > times running to your limit of memory. So long as you have Free and > Inactive memory showing, you have free memory (Inactive memory has > data in it, but it's not data that's needed anymore) > > It might be worth leaving up the Floating CPU Window in a corner of > the screen - that way, when you get a SPOD, you'll be able to tell if > it's CPU overload or something else. It's usually something else. The > SPOD essentially says that the OS is waiting for some resource to > become available. > > See how things go while you're using it normally for a bit. And then > check memory again. > > regards, > > Paul > > On 7 Jan 2010, at 20:27, Jack Webb-Heller wrote: > >> Kept an eye on it for a few minutes whilst using it normally - Page >> Outs are sticking at around 10MB... I'm trusting that's a good sign? >> >> On 7 Jan 2010, at 20:25, Paul Durrant wrote: >> >>> >>> Check the memory tab of the activity monitor window - are there lots >>> of page outs? > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Jack Webb-Heller personal: jack at jackwebbheller.com general: swimwire at googlemail.com http://jackwebbheller.com From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu Jan 7 20:50:49 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 20:50:49 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Quoting messages In-Reply-To: References: <73AE74D2-CD9B-458D-9481-1F5C1765AC77@googlemail.com> <90975DC6-61C6-43FC-BE9C-5B9254727795@durrant.co.uk> <7C77E3D6-9836-4E98-A4B6-3AAE2647ECD4@googlemail.com> <2F85B861-BE5A-46C3-9BF3-32D1CAFEE49D@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <3342A6BA-5CE4-4ED5-8F7E-987B5E60E3FB@durrant.co.uk> On my copy of Mail, selecting text before clicking on reply does just quote that bit of text. But mostly I just edit it manually. It only takes a moment, and it's being read by up to 187 other people, so it's worth doing. regards, Paul On 7 Jan 2010, at 20:47, Jack Webb-Heller wrote: > select which part you'd like placed below From swimwire at googlemail.com Thu Jan 7 20:53:37 2010 From: swimwire at googlemail.com (Jack Webb-Heller) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 20:53:37 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Quoting messages In-Reply-To: <3342A6BA-5CE4-4ED5-8F7E-987B5E60E3FB@durrant.co.uk> References: <73AE74D2-CD9B-458D-9481-1F5C1765AC77@googlemail.com> <90975DC6-61C6-43FC-BE9C-5B9254727795@durrant.co.uk> <7C77E3D6-9836-4E98-A4B6-3AAE2647ECD4@googlemail.com> <2F85B861-BE5A-46C3-9BF3-32D1CAFEE49D@durrant.co.uk> <3342A6BA-5CE4-4ED5-8F7E-987B5E60E3FB@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Oh... so it does! Sorry, I think I was right-clicking (as such) the selected text and expecting a reply link instead. Having a bit of a ditsy day! Jack On 7 Jan 2010, at 20:50, Paul Durrant wrote: > On my copy of Mail, selecting text before clicking on reply does just > quote that bit of text. Jack Webb-Heller personal: jack at jackwebbheller.com general: swimwire at googlemail.com http://jackwebbheller.com From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu Jan 7 20:58:20 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 20:58:20 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] SPODs In-Reply-To: References: <73AE74D2-CD9B-458D-9481-1F5C1765AC77@googlemail.com> <90975DC6-61C6-43FC-BE9C-5B9254727795@durrant.co.uk> <7C77E3D6-9836-4E98-A4B6-3AAE2647ECD4@googlemail.com> <2F85B861-BE5A-46C3-9BF3-32D1CAFEE49D@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <3A104A1D-AAF0-47CE-822F-51AE651EB055@durrant.co.uk> Wikipedia has a pretty good article on it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinning_wait_cursor SPOD is as good a name as any other. It should be associated with a particular application - moveing the cursor over another application's windows (even Finder) should make it go away, re-appearing only when it's back over the errant application. One other posible cause, especially for internet applications, is a problem with the internet connection - the application calls an internet comms routine, which usually returns almost instantaneously. but some comms problem causes the call to hand for several seconds - leading to a SPOD. Perhaps it's DNS - if your DNS server is being slow, any domain name lookup could lead to a SPOD. You could try adding Google's public DNS server to your settings. They're supposed to be pretty good. The IP addresses are 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4. Go to System Preferences/Network, and add these two adddresses into the DNS Server section, separated by commas. regards, Paul On 7 Jan 2010, at 20:47, Jack Webb-Heller wrote: > I was still getting these SPODs earlier on when booted up 'fresh', > literally it had restarted five minutes ago and all I had open was > Mail and Safari and still I would be SPODded regularly. > > So what's next? You say 'as long as you have free and inactive > memory showing, you have free memory' - I have according to Activity > Monitor at most times around 600MB free. > > Does the SPOD have an 'official' name? > > On 7 Jan 2010, at 20:32, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> 10MB isn't much. But that there are any at all show that you're at >> times running to your limit of memory. So long as you have Free and >> Inactive memory showing, you have free memory (Inactive memory has >> data in it, but it's not data that's needed anymore) >> >> It might be worth leaving up the Floating CPU Window in a corner of >> the screen - that way, when you get a SPOD, you'll be able to tell if >> it's CPU overload or something else. It's usually something else. The >> SPOD essentially says that the OS is waiting for some resource to >> become available. >> >> See how things go while you're using it normally for a bit. And then >> check memory again. >> >> On 7 Jan 2010, at 20:27, Jack Webb-Heller wrote: >> >>> Kept an eye on it for a few minutes whilst using it normally - Page >>> Outs are sticking at around 10MB... I'm trusting that's a good sign? >>> >>> On 7 Jan 2010, at 20:25, Paul Durrant wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Check the memory tab of the activity monitor window - are there >>>> lots >>>> of page outs? From swimwire at googlemail.com Thu Jan 7 21:31:13 2010 From: swimwire at googlemail.com (Jack Webb-Heller) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 21:31:13 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] SPODs In-Reply-To: <3A104A1D-AAF0-47CE-822F-51AE651EB055@durrant.co.uk> References: <73AE74D2-CD9B-458D-9481-1F5C1765AC77@googlemail.com> <90975DC6-61C6-43FC-BE9C-5B9254727795@durrant.co.uk> <7C77E3D6-9836-4E98-A4B6-3AAE2647ECD4@googlemail.com> <2F85B861-BE5A-46C3-9BF3-32D1CAFEE49D@durrant.co.uk> <3A104A1D-AAF0-47CE-822F-51AE651EB055@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <98D18DD9-43B5-4B1A-B21C-30C372AD471D@googlemail.com> Thanks for the tip Paul. I've been working on the Macbook for about half an hour now - I restarted and all I have open at the moment is Safari, Mail and Photoshop. I've turned Airport off but unfortunately the SPODs still persist - does this mean we can assume the problem isn't to do with DNS or internet configuration? Normally my MacBook (with 2GB of RAM, by the way Allan) has coped fine with these three apps open in the past and even more without a hassle. I can still change the DNS settings if it might make a difference but I'm assuming there's no point if the SPODs persist without any internet connection? On 7 Jan 2010, at 20:58, Paul Durrant wrote: > Perhaps it's DNS - if your DNS server is being slow, any domain name > lookup could lead to a SPOD. You could try adding Google's public DNS > server to your settings. They're supposed to be pretty good. The IP > addresses are 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4. Go to System Preferences/Network, > and add these two adddresses into the DNS Server section, separated by Jack Webb-Heller personal: jack at jackwebbheller.com general: swimwire at googlemail.com http://jackwebbheller.com From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu Jan 7 22:04:54 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 22:04:54 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] SPODs In-Reply-To: <98D18DD9-43B5-4B1A-B21C-30C372AD471D@googlemail.com> References: <73AE74D2-CD9B-458D-9481-1F5C1765AC77@googlemail.com> <90975DC6-61C6-43FC-BE9C-5B9254727795@durrant.co.uk> <7C77E3D6-9836-4E98-A4B6-3AAE2647ECD4@googlemail.com> <2F85B861-BE5A-46C3-9BF3-32D1CAFEE49D@durrant.co.uk> <3A104A1D-AAF0-47CE-822F-51AE651EB055@durrant.co.uk> <98D18DD9-43B5-4B1A-B21C-30C372AD471D@googlemail.com> Message-ID: If there's no internet connection, it's very unlikely to be DNS problems. I'll have a think. regards, Paul On 7 Jan 2010, at 21:31, Jack Webb-Heller wrote: > Thanks for the tip Paul. I've been working on the Macbook for about > half an hour now - I restarted and all I have open at the moment is > Safari, Mail and Photoshop. I've turned Airport off but > unfortunately the SPODs still persist - does this mean we can assume > the problem isn't to do with DNS or internet configuration? Normally > my MacBook (with 2GB of RAM, by the way Allan) has coped fine with > these three apps open in the past and even more without a hassle. > > I can still change the DNS settings if it might make a difference > but I'm assuming there's no point if the SPODs persist without any > internet connection? > > On 7 Jan 2010, at 20:58, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> Perhaps it's DNS - if your DNS server is being slow, any domain name >> lookup could lead to a SPOD. You could try adding Google's public DNS >> server to your settings. They're supposed to be pretty good. The IP >> addresses are 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4. Go to System Preferences/Network, >> and add these two adddresses into the DNS Server section, separated >> by > From paul at durrant.co.uk Fri Jan 8 09:36:07 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 09:36:07 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iPod Shuffle at Refurb Store Message-ID: The previous generation 1GB iPod Shuffle (blue) is currently in the refurb store. ?26 with free shipping. The cheapest iPod ever.... The new iPod shuffle is OK, but needing special earphones is awkward. With the older model you can use any earphones. I suspect these refurbs will disappear quickly, so if you've wanted one, now's the time to buy. http://store.apple.com/uk/browse/home/specialdeals/ipod/ipod_shuffle regards, Paul From swimwire at googlemail.com Fri Jan 8 09:53:18 2010 From: swimwire at googlemail.com (Jack Webb-Heller) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 09:53:18 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iPod Shuffle at Refurb Store In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3B893487-A6B2-44B6-8D53-5592992DFF20@googlemail.com> I personally really like the new earphones with Remote - I use them with my iPod Touch. The remote is really lightweight so it doesn't tug out of your ear - and is invaluable on cold and snowy days (when I'd normally have to take the iPod out of my pocket, remove gloves to get multitouch to work, change track, put iPod back, put gloves back on etc etc!). Sure it might be awkward in that you're limited to only headphones with these remotes on, but other companies are producing more. Sent from iPod Touch On 8 Jan 2010, at 09:36, Paul Durrant wrote: > The previous generation 1GB iPod Shuffle (blue) is currently in the > refurb store. ?26 with free shipping. The cheapest iPod ever.... > > The new iPod shuffle is OK, but needing special earphones is awkward. > With the older model you can use any earphones. I suspect these > refurbs will disappear quickly, so if you've wanted one, now's the > time to buy. > > http://store.apple.com/uk/browse/home/specialdeals/ipod/ipod_shuffle > > regards, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From alanbarber at mac.com Fri Jan 8 10:13:52 2010 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:13:52 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] audiophile In-Reply-To: References: <594BEB63-EA42-4F18-AAB7-C7E6C94854B5@f2s.com> <65878EFD-3DA1-49B7-9CF1-13AA8FF18344@mac.com> <31F890FE-782C-427B-8C29-5A2984FFAF2A@mac.com> Message-ID: <0ECE412A-7B08-4B15-8B32-524020FEDE94@mac.com> Richard Another day with the mind clear seems to show that I have knocked the connections into the amp. The black one is broken. I have opened it and there are 2 silver metal pieces one of which is broken. Can you please tell me the correct name for this - I assume Maplins stock them. Is it very difficult or fiddly to change. 1st glance looks like soldering involved? Regards Alan On 7 Jan 2010, at 14:56, Richard Nevill wrote: > Sounds (!) like dirty headshell or stylus contacts to me. Just > removing and replacing the stylus and the headshell wires/assembly > should be enough to wipe the oxides off the contacts. If this > doesn't cure it, then checking the audio signal electrical path > (cable connectors etc) back to the pre-amp/amplifier might be in > order. Switches can play up if they haven't been used for a while, > but flicking them back and forth a few times often brings them back > to good health. > > > On 7 Jan 2010, at 14:43, Alan Barber wrote: > >> Actually its not the mechanics its the sound. >> Was playing an lp ok changed to another and nothing. >> Guess its a switch or a cable am looking at it again tomorrow. >> Often just leaving well alone works for me. >> >> Regards >> >> Alan >> >> >> On 7 Jan 2010, at 14:24, Richard Nevill wrote: >> >>> The most likely cause of this is a perished or stretched belt - >>> these are easily replaced, and can be obtained quite cheaply: >>> >>> http://www.musonic.co.uk/turntable-belts-by-name-dual- >>> c-24_28_43.html >>> >>> But if the motor has gone, that's another matter... >>> >>> >>> On 7 Jan 2010, at 14:16, Alan Barber wrote: >>> >>>> My Dual turntable has stopped working now - oh well! >>> >>> > > Richard Nevill > ricnev at mac.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Fri Jan 8 10:18:27 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 10:18:27 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] audiophile In-Reply-To: <0ECE412A-7B08-4B15-8B32-524020FEDE94@mac.com> References: <594BEB63-EA42-4F18-AAB7-C7E6C94854B5@f2s.com> <65878EFD-3DA1-49B7-9CF1-13AA8FF18344@mac.com> <31F890FE-782C-427B-8C29-5A2984FFAF2A@mac.com> <0ECE412A-7B08-4B15-8B32-524020FEDE94@mac.com> Message-ID: At a guess you need a new phono plug lead. (Or a soldering iron.0 http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=1020 Do the ends of these leads look like the broken one? regards, Paul On 8 Jan 2010, at 10:13, Alan Barber wrote: > Richard > Another day with the mind clear seems to show > that I have knocked the connections into the amp. > The black one is broken. > I have opened it and there are 2 silver metal pieces one of which is > broken. > Can you please tell me the correct name for this - I assume Maplins > stock them. > Is it very difficult or fiddly to change. > 1st glance looks like soldering involved? > > Regards > > Alan > > > On 7 Jan 2010, at 14:56, Richard Nevill wrote: > >> Sounds (!) like dirty headshell or stylus contacts to me. Just >> removing and replacing the stylus and the headshell wires/assembly >> should be enough to wipe the oxides off the contacts. If this >> doesn't cure it, then checking the audio signal electrical path >> (cable connectors etc) back to the pre-amp/amplifier might be in >> order. Switches can play up if they haven't been used for a while, >> but flicking them back and forth a few times often brings them back >> to good health. >> >> >> On 7 Jan 2010, at 14:43, Alan Barber wrote: >> >>> Actually its not the mechanics its the sound. >>> Was playing an lp ok changed to another and nothing. >>> Guess its a switch or a cable am looking at it again tomorrow. >>> Often just leaving well alone works for me. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> >>> On 7 Jan 2010, at 14:24, Richard Nevill wrote: >>> >>>> The most likely cause of this is a perished or stretched belt - >>>> these are easily replaced, and can be obtained quite cheaply: >>>> >>>> http://www.musonic.co.uk/turntable-belts-by-name-dual- >>>> c-24_28_43.html >>>> >>>> But if the motor has gone, that's another matter... >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7 Jan 2010, at 14:16, Alan Barber wrote: >>>> >>>>> My Dual turntable has stopped working now - oh well! >>>> >>>> >> >> Richard Nevill >> ricnev at mac.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Fri Jan 8 10:29:35 2010 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 10:29:35 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] audiophile In-Reply-To: <0ECE412A-7B08-4B15-8B32-524020FEDE94@mac.com> References: <594BEB63-EA42-4F18-AAB7-C7E6C94854B5@f2s.com> <65878EFD-3DA1-49B7-9CF1-13AA8FF18344@mac.com> <31F890FE-782C-427B-8C29-5A2984FFAF2A@mac.com> <0ECE412A-7B08-4B15-8B32-524020FEDE94@mac.com> Message-ID: <0591E25C-3E27-419C-A675-54F84EDF8E6A@virgin.net> Alan, Don't be frightened of soldering-- I have a small adjustable temperature iron which you may borrow, or I would do it for when the snow clears! Ken On 8 Jan 2010, at 10:13 AM, Alan Barber wrote: > Richard > Another day with the mind clear seems to show > that I have knocked the connections into the amp. > The black one is broken. > I have opened it and there are 2 silver metal pieces one of which is > broken. > Can you please tell me the correct name for this - I assume Maplins > stock them. > Is it very difficult or fiddly to change. > 1st glance looks like soldering involved? > > Regards > > Alan > > > On 7 Jan 2010, at 14:56, Richard Nevill wrote: > >> Sounds (!) like dirty headshell or stylus contacts to me. Just >> removing and replacing the stylus and the headshell wires/assembly >> should be enough to wipe the oxides off the contacts. If this >> doesn't cure it, then checking the audio signal electrical path >> (cable connectors etc) back to the pre-amp/amplifier might be in >> order. Switches can play up if they haven't been used for a while, >> but flicking them back and forth a few times often brings them back >> to good health. >> >> >> On 7 Jan 2010, at 14:43, Alan Barber wrote: >> >>> Actually its not the mechanics its the sound. >>> Was playing an lp ok changed to another and nothing. >>> Guess its a switch or a cable am looking at it again tomorrow. >>> Often just leaving well alone works for me. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> >>> On 7 Jan 2010, at 14:24, Richard Nevill wrote: >>> >>>> The most likely cause of this is a perished or stretched belt - >>>> these are easily replaced, and can be obtained quite cheaply: >>>> >>>> http://www.musonic.co.uk/turntable-belts-by-name-dual- >>>> c-24_28_43.html >>>> >>>> But if the motor has gone, that's another matter... >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7 Jan 2010, at 14:16, Alan Barber wrote: >>>> >>>>> My Dual turntable has stopped working now - oh well! >>>> >>>> >> >> Richard Nevill >> ricnev at mac.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From alanbarber at mac.com Fri Jan 8 10:42:37 2010 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:42:37 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] audiophile In-Reply-To: <0591E25C-3E27-419C-A675-54F84EDF8E6A@virgin.net> References: <594BEB63-EA42-4F18-AAB7-C7E6C94854B5@f2s.com> <65878EFD-3DA1-49B7-9CF1-13AA8FF18344@mac.com> <31F890FE-782C-427B-8C29-5A2984FFAF2A@mac.com> <0ECE412A-7B08-4B15-8B32-524020FEDE94@mac.com> <0591E25C-3E27-419C-A675-54F84EDF8E6A@virgin.net> Message-ID: <2F8FF1BC-158C-437B-8591-5C1E12C3007D@mac.com> Thanks Ken Regards Alan On 8 Jan 2010, at 10:29, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > Alan, > Don't be frightened of soldering-- I have a small adjustable > temperature iron which you may borrow, or I would do it for when the > snow clears! > > Ken > > > On 8 Jan 2010, at 10:13 AM, Alan Barber wrote: > >> Richard >> Another day with the mind clear seems to show >> that I have knocked the connections into the amp. >> The black one is broken. >> I have opened it and there are 2 silver metal pieces one of which is >> broken. >> Can you please tell me the correct name for this - I assume Maplins >> stock them. >> Is it very difficult or fiddly to change. >> 1st glance looks like soldering involved? >> >> Regards >> >> Alan >> >> >> On 7 Jan 2010, at 14:56, Richard Nevill wrote: >> >>> Sounds (!) like dirty headshell or stylus contacts to me. Just >>> removing and replacing the stylus and the headshell wires/assembly >>> should be enough to wipe the oxides off the contacts. If this >>> doesn't cure it, then checking the audio signal electrical path >>> (cable connectors etc) back to the pre-amp/amplifier might be in >>> order. Switches can play up if they haven't been used for a while, >>> but flicking them back and forth a few times often brings them back >>> to good health. >>> >>> >>> On 7 Jan 2010, at 14:43, Alan Barber wrote: >>> >>>> Actually its not the mechanics its the sound. >>>> Was playing an lp ok changed to another and nothing. >>>> Guess its a switch or a cable am looking at it again tomorrow. >>>> Often just leaving well alone works for me. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Alan >>>> >>>> >>>> On 7 Jan 2010, at 14:24, Richard Nevill wrote: >>>> >>>>> The most likely cause of this is a perished or stretched belt - >>>>> these are easily replaced, and can be obtained quite cheaply: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.musonic.co.uk/turntable-belts-by-name-dual- >>>>> c-24_28_43.html >>>>> >>>>> But if the motor has gone, that's another matter... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 7 Jan 2010, at 14:16, Alan Barber wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> My Dual turntable has stopped working now - oh well! >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> Richard Nevill >>> ricnev at mac.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From alanbarber at mac.com Fri Jan 8 10:44:28 2010 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:44:28 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] bookmarks Message-ID: <33E1916F-4B9D-40D1-A6A5-C6CCF3335BBC@mac.com> Paul I have lost my ebay bookmarks again. I did not mess about with them this time. Please remind me where there are so I can restore through time machine Regards Alan From paul at durrant.co.uk Fri Jan 8 12:21:57 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:21:57 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] bookmarks In-Reply-To: <33E1916F-4B9D-40D1-A6A5-C6CCF3335BBC@mac.com> References: <33E1916F-4B9D-40D1-A6A5-C6CCF3335BBC@mac.com> Message-ID: <7EBEE74B-C195-4028-8096-FCBB57233F90@durrant.co.uk> The bookmarks are stored in a file, Bookmarks.plist, stored in [home folder]/Library/Safari Quit Safari! In Finder Go/Home. Open The Library Folder Open the Safari folder that's in the Library folder. Open Time Machine. Go back to when the bookmark hadn't been deleted. Select the Bookmarks.plist file and click restore. When asked, Select "Replace" to replace the new Bookmarks file with the one you've just asked to be restored. Start Safari. Your bookmarks should be back. regards, Paul On 8 Jan 2010, at 10:44, Alan Barber wrote: > Paul > I have lost my ebay bookmarks again. > I did not mess about with them this time. > > Please remind me where there are so I can restore through time machine From alanbarber at mac.com Fri Jan 8 12:36:03 2010 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:36:03 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] bookmarks In-Reply-To: <7EBEE74B-C195-4028-8096-FCBB57233F90@durrant.co.uk> References: <33E1916F-4B9D-40D1-A6A5-C6CCF3335BBC@mac.com> <7EBEE74B-C195-4028-8096-FCBB57233F90@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <7A9ACA6D-A9B0-4A05-AF23-0839114DE9E8@mac.com> Paul No safari folder in Library Regards Alan On 8 Jan 2010, at 12:21, Paul Durrant wrote: > The bookmarks are stored in a file, Bookmarks.plist, stored in > > [home folder]/Library/Safari > > Quit Safari! > In Finder Go/Home. > Open The Library Folder > Open the Safari folder that's in the Library folder. > Open Time Machine. Go back to when the bookmark hadn't been deleted. > Select the Bookmarks.plist file and click restore. > When asked, Select "Replace" to replace the new Bookmarks file with > the one you've just asked to be restored. > Start Safari. Your bookmarks should be back. > > regards, > > Paul > > On 8 Jan 2010, at 10:44, Alan Barber wrote: > >> Paul >> I have lost my ebay bookmarks again. >> I did not mess about with them this time. >> >> Please remind me where there are so I can restore through time >> machine > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Fri Jan 8 12:47:29 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 12:47:29 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] bookmarks In-Reply-To: <7A9ACA6D-A9B0-4A05-AF23-0839114DE9E8@mac.com> References: <33E1916F-4B9D-40D1-A6A5-C6CCF3335BBC@mac.com> <7EBEE74B-C195-4028-8096-FCBB57233F90@durrant.co.uk> <7A9ACA6D-A9B0-4A05-AF23-0839114DE9E8@mac.com> Message-ID: <56286EB5-4B97-4BE4-80AF-27B92D137F56@durrant.co.uk> Are you sure you're looking in the Library in your home folder, and not the Library at the top level of your disk? If you are looking in your home folder's Library, you'll need to use time Machine to get back the entire "Safari" folder. regards, Paul On 8 Jan 2010, at 12:36, Alan Barber wrote: > No safari folder in Library > > On 8 Jan 2010, at 12:21, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> The bookmarks are stored in a file, Bookmarks.plist, stored in >> >> [home folder]/Library/Safari >> >> Quit Safari! >> In Finder Go/Home. >> Open The Library Folder >> Open the Safari folder that's in the Library folder. >> Open Time Machine. Go back to when the bookmark hadn't been deleted. >> Select the Bookmarks.plist file and click restore. >> When asked, Select "Replace" to replace the new Bookmarks file with >> the one you've just asked to be restored. >> Start Safari. Your bookmarks should be back. >> >> >> On 8 Jan 2010, at 10:44, Alan Barber wrote: >>> I have lost my ebay bookmarks again. >>> I did not mess about with them this time. >>> >>> Please remind me where there are so I can restore through time >>> machine From alanbarber at mac.com Fri Jan 8 13:35:53 2010 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 13:35:53 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] bookmarks In-Reply-To: <56286EB5-4B97-4BE4-80AF-27B92D137F56@durrant.co.uk> References: <33E1916F-4B9D-40D1-A6A5-C6CCF3335BBC@mac.com> <7EBEE74B-C195-4028-8096-FCBB57233F90@durrant.co.uk> <7A9ACA6D-A9B0-4A05-AF23-0839114DE9E8@mac.com> <56286EB5-4B97-4BE4-80AF-27B92D137F56@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Paul I did have to restore Safari and could then restore bookmarks. Am keeping your email incase it happens again Thanks Regards Alan On 8 Jan 2010, at 12:47, Paul Durrant wrote: > Are you sure you're looking in the Library in your home folder, and > not the Library at the top level of your disk? > > If you are looking in your home folder's Library, you'll need to use > time Machine to get back the entire "Safari" folder. > > regards, > > Paul > > On 8 Jan 2010, at 12:36, Alan Barber wrote: > >> No safari folder in Library >> >> On 8 Jan 2010, at 12:21, Paul Durrant wrote: >> >>> The bookmarks are stored in a file, Bookmarks.plist, stored in >>> >>> [home folder]/Library/Safari >>> >>> Quit Safari! >>> In Finder Go/Home. >>> Open The Library Folder >>> Open the Safari folder that's in the Library folder. >>> Open Time Machine. Go back to when the bookmark hadn't been deleted. >>> Select the Bookmarks.plist file and click restore. >>> When asked, Select "Replace" to replace the new Bookmarks file with >>> the one you've just asked to be restored. >>> Start Safari. Your bookmarks should be back. >>> >>> >>> On 8 Jan 2010, at 10:44, Alan Barber wrote: >>>> I have lost my ebay bookmarks again. >>>> I did not mess about with them this time. >>>> >>>> Please remind me where there are so I can restore through time >>>> machine > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Fri Jan 8 13:48:11 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 13:48:11 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] bookmarks In-Reply-To: References: <33E1916F-4B9D-40D1-A6A5-C6CCF3335BBC@mac.com> <7EBEE74B-C195-4028-8096-FCBB57233F90@durrant.co.uk> <7A9ACA6D-A9B0-4A05-AF23-0839114DE9E8@mac.com> <56286EB5-4B97-4BE4-80AF-27B92D137F56@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <715AEB6F-F0D0-423C-B378-6B115BE4D6A6@durrant.co.uk> How peculiar. I can't think of anything that would delete the Safari folder from your Library. Paul On 8 Jan 2010, at 13:35, Alan Barber wrote: > I did have to restore Safari and could then restore bookmarks. > > On 8 Jan 2010, at 12:47, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> Are you sure you're looking in the Library in your home folder, and >> not the Library at the top level of your disk? >> >> If you are looking in your home folder's Library, you'll need to use >> time Machine to get back the entire "Safari" folder. >> >> On 8 Jan 2010, at 12:36, Alan Barber wrote: >> >>> No safari folder in Library >>> >>> On 8 Jan 2010, at 12:21, Paul Durrant wrote: >>> >>>> The bookmarks are stored in a file, Bookmarks.plist, stored in >>>> >>>> [home folder]/Library/Safari >>>> >>>> Quit Safari! >>>> In Finder Go/Home. >>>> Open The Library Folder >>>> Open the Safari folder that's in the Library folder. >>>> Open Time Machine. Go back to when the bookmark hadn't been >>>> deleted. >>>> Select the Bookmarks.plist file and click restore. >>>> When asked, Select "Replace" to replace the new Bookmarks file with >>>> the one you've just asked to be restored. >>>> Start Safari. Your bookmarks should be back. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8 Jan 2010, at 10:44, Alan Barber wrote: >>>>> I have lost my ebay bookmarks again. >>>>> I did not mess about with them this time. >>>>> >>>>> Please remind me where there are so I can restore through time >>>>> machine From alanbarber at mac.com Fri Jan 8 14:21:38 2010 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:21:38 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] bookmarks In-Reply-To: <715AEB6F-F0D0-423C-B378-6B115BE4D6A6@durrant.co.uk> References: <33E1916F-4B9D-40D1-A6A5-C6CCF3335BBC@mac.com> <7EBEE74B-C195-4028-8096-FCBB57233F90@durrant.co.uk> <7A9ACA6D-A9B0-4A05-AF23-0839114DE9E8@mac.com> <56286EB5-4B97-4BE4-80AF-27B92D137F56@durrant.co.uk> <715AEB6F-F0D0-423C-B378-6B115BE4D6A6@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Well its back now. Odd things have been going on with this PB but I put it down to the snow. Regards Alan On 8 Jan 2010, at 13:48, Paul Durrant wrote: > How peculiar. I can't think of anything that would delete the Safari > folder from your Library. > > Paul > > On 8 Jan 2010, at 13:35, Alan Barber wrote: > >> I did have to restore Safari and could then restore bookmarks. >> >> On 8 Jan 2010, at 12:47, Paul Durrant wrote: >> >>> Are you sure you're looking in the Library in your home folder, and >>> not the Library at the top level of your disk? >>> >>> If you are looking in your home folder's Library, you'll need to use >>> time Machine to get back the entire "Safari" folder. >>> >>> On 8 Jan 2010, at 12:36, Alan Barber wrote: >>> >>>> No safari folder in Library >>>> >>>> On 8 Jan 2010, at 12:21, Paul Durrant wrote: >>>> >>>>> The bookmarks are stored in a file, Bookmarks.plist, stored in >>>>> >>>>> [home folder]/Library/Safari >>>>> >>>>> Quit Safari! >>>>> In Finder Go/Home. >>>>> Open The Library Folder >>>>> Open the Safari folder that's in the Library folder. >>>>> Open Time Machine. Go back to when the bookmark hadn't been >>>>> deleted. >>>>> Select the Bookmarks.plist file and click restore. >>>>> When asked, Select "Replace" to replace the new Bookmarks file >>>>> with >>>>> the one you've just asked to be restored. >>>>> Start Safari. Your bookmarks should be back. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 8 Jan 2010, at 10:44, Alan Barber wrote: >>>>>> I have lost my ebay bookmarks again. >>>>>> I did not mess about with them this time. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remind me where there are so I can restore through time >>>>>> machine > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From brian at clearlight.uk.net Fri Jan 8 19:30:42 2010 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 19:30:42 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] AppleCare In-Reply-To: <4757A614-8AF3-4D66-A6CC-1CBE16FF560F@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: I lost out on buying from one with Excellent ratings and feedback. You need more than just a number - your need the serial number also - as is on the box. If anyone wants to try my replacement code sent me before the seller was deleted from eBay (they'd had over 10000 and 99%) that I cant use - for an iMac then ask me. all the best Brian Paul Durrant said recently: > I look for people with good feedback from people who have bought > AppleCare. > > I think that AppleCare probably has quite a high retail margin (unlike > Apple's hardware), and also varies from country to country. But I must > admit to not being entirely sure how they manage it. > > regards, > > Paul > > On 7 Jan 2010, at 12:49, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > >> Hello, >> May I please have thoughts and experience of Applecare? >> I believe Paul C and Paul D have had favourable experience. >> If bought on Ebay how does one know if is genuine ( without waiting to >> see 'if it works' if/when you need it!)? >> Lastly, at the December meeting, Apple's tight pricing control was >> mentioned. >> How does this accord with cut price Applecare bought on eBay? > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From swimwire at googlemail.com Fri Jan 8 22:00:14 2010 From: swimwire at googlemail.com (Jack Webb-Heller) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 22:00:14 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] SPODs In-Reply-To: <3A104A1D-AAF0-47CE-822F-51AE651EB055@durrant.co.uk> References: <73AE74D2-CD9B-458D-9481-1F5C1765AC77@googlemail.com> <90975DC6-61C6-43FC-BE9C-5B9254727795@durrant.co.uk> <7C77E3D6-9836-4E98-A4B6-3AAE2647ECD4@googlemail.com> <2F85B861-BE5A-46C3-9BF3-32D1CAFEE49D@durrant.co.uk> <3A104A1D-AAF0-47CE-822F-51AE651EB055@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <91E3DA09-C8B8-4C1B-840C-CF77B5BD13CE@googlemail.com> Do we have any other ideas regarding the SPODs? My father recommended I downloaded OnyX, which I ran all the maintenance and clearing up with - unfortunately it hasn't made a difference and the SPODs still haunt me. Even when I quit quite literally every single program except the Finder I am still getting them just switching between windows or moving back/forward in the Finder browser. Are there any other cleaning up tools etc. that may help? Also, I will give it a go with another user account if you think it may help as Allan suggested to me. Jack On 7 Jan 2010, at 20:58, Paul Durrant wrote: > Wikipedia has a pretty good article on it. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinning_wait_cursor > > SPOD is as good a name as any other. It should be associated with a > particular application - moveing the cursor over another application's > windows (even Finder) should make it go away, re-appearing only when > it's back over the errant application. > > One other posible cause, especially for internet applications, is a > problem with the internet connection - the application calls an > internet comms routine, which usually returns almost instantaneously. > but some comms problem causes the call to hand for several seconds - > leading to a SPOD. > > Perhaps it's DNS - if your DNS server is being slow, any domain name > lookup could lead to a SPOD. You could try adding Google's public DNS > server to your settings. They're supposed to be pretty good. The IP > addresses are 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4. Go to System Preferences/Network, > and add these two adddresses into the DNS Server section, separated by > commas. > > regards, > > Paul > > > > On 7 Jan 2010, at 20:47, Jack Webb-Heller wrote: > >> I was still getting these SPODs earlier on when booted up 'fresh', >> literally it had restarted five minutes ago and all I had open was >> Mail and Safari and still I would be SPODded regularly. >> >> So what's next? You say 'as long as you have free and inactive >> memory showing, you have free memory' - I have according to Activity >> Monitor at most times around 600MB free. >> >> Does the SPOD have an 'official' name? >> >> On 7 Jan 2010, at 20:32, Paul Durrant wrote: >> >>> 10MB isn't much. But that there are any at all show that you're at >>> times running to your limit of memory. So long as you have Free and >>> Inactive memory showing, you have free memory (Inactive memory has >>> data in it, but it's not data that's needed anymore) >>> >>> It might be worth leaving up the Floating CPU Window in a corner of >>> the screen - that way, when you get a SPOD, you'll be able to tell if >>> it's CPU overload or something else. It's usually something else. The >>> SPOD essentially says that the OS is waiting for some resource to >>> become available. >>> >>> See how things go while you're using it normally for a bit. And then >>> check memory again. >>> >>> On 7 Jan 2010, at 20:27, Jack Webb-Heller wrote: >>> >>>> Kept an eye on it for a few minutes whilst using it normally - Page >>>> Outs are sticking at around 10MB... I'm trusting that's a good sign? >>>> >>>> On 7 Jan 2010, at 20:25, Paul Durrant wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Check the memory tab of the activity monitor window - are there >>>>> lots >>>>> of page outs? > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Jack Webb-Heller personal: jack at jackwebbheller.com general: swimwire at googlemail.com http://jackwebbheller.com From paul at durrant.co.uk Fri Jan 8 22:12:47 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 22:12:47 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] SPODs In-Reply-To: <91E3DA09-C8B8-4C1B-840C-CF77B5BD13CE@googlemail.com> References: <73AE74D2-CD9B-458D-9481-1F5C1765AC77@googlemail.com> <90975DC6-61C6-43FC-BE9C-5B9254727795@durrant.co.uk> <7C77E3D6-9836-4E98-A4B6-3AAE2647ECD4@googlemail.com> <2F85B861-BE5A-46C3-9BF3-32D1CAFEE49D@durrant.co.uk> <3A104A1D-AAF0-47CE-822F-51AE651EB055@durrant.co.uk> <91E3DA09-C8B8-4C1B-840C-CF77B5BD13CE@googlemail.com> Message-ID: Certainly try creating a fresh test user account - an excellent trouble-shooting step. If this persists, however, your best bet might be a re-install of the system software using Archive and Install. There must be something wrong with the system software, but working out exactly what will take a lot more time and hassle than installing a fresh copy. regards, Paul On 8 Jan 2010, at 22:00, Jack Webb-Heller wrote: > Are there any other cleaning up tools etc. that may help? Also, I > will give it a go with another user account if you think it may help > as Allan suggested to me. From macman at f2s.com Fri Jan 8 22:39:52 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 22:39:52 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] SPODs In-Reply-To: <91E3DA09-C8B8-4C1B-840C-CF77B5BD13CE@googlemail.com> References: <73AE74D2-CD9B-458D-9481-1F5C1765AC77@googlemail.com> <90975DC6-61C6-43FC-BE9C-5B9254727795@durrant.co.uk> <7C77E3D6-9836-4E98-A4B6-3AAE2647ECD4@googlemail.com> <2F85B861-BE5A-46C3-9BF3-32D1CAFEE49D@durrant.co.uk> <3A104A1D-AAF0-47CE-822F-51AE651EB055@durrant.co.uk> <91E3DA09-C8B8-4C1B-840C-CF77B5BD13CE@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <131DD5E3-793D-4A56-BF85-56A08B2CB053@f2s.com> I'm not sure if you said you had tried booting in safe mode? That's always worth a try My weapon of choice is Applejack: http://applejack.sourceforge.net/ But be sure to download the correct version. May not help, but won't do any harm ..... Robbie On 8 Jan 2010, at 22:00, Jack Webb-Heller wrote: Are there any other cleaning up tools etc. that may help? Also, I will give it a go with another user account if you think it may help as Allan suggested to me. Jack On 7 Jan 2010, at 20:58, Paul Durrant wrote: > Wikipedia has a pretty good article on it. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinning_wait_cursor > > SPOD is as good a name as any other. It should be associated with a > particular application - moveing the cursor over another application's > windows (even Finder) should make it go away, re-appearing only when > it's back over the errant application. > > One other posible cause, especially for internet applications, is a > problem with the internet connection - the application calls an > internet comms routine, which usually returns almost instantaneously. > but some comms problem causes the call to hand for several seconds - > leading to a SPOD. > > Perhaps it's DNS - if your DNS server is being slow, any domain name > lookup could lead to a SPOD. You could try adding Google's public DNS > server to your settings. They're supposed to be pretty good. The IP > addresses are 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4. Go to System Preferences/Network, > and add these two adddresses into the DNS Server section, separated by > commas. > > regards, > > Paul > > > > On 7 Jan 2010, at 20:47, Jack Webb-Heller wrote: > >> I was still getting these SPODs earlier on when booted up 'fresh', >> literally it had restarted five minutes ago and all I had open was >> Mail and Safari and still I would be SPODded regularly. >> >> So what's next? You say 'as long as you have free and inactive >> memory showing, you have free memory' - I have according to Activity >> Monitor at most times around 600MB free. >> >> Does the SPOD have an 'official' name? >> >> On 7 Jan 2010, at 20:32, Paul Durrant wrote: >> >>> 10MB isn't much. But that there are any at all show that you're at >>> times running to your limit of memory. So long as you have Free and >>> Inactive memory showing, you have free memory (Inactive memory has >>> data in it, but it's not data that's needed anymore) >>> >>> It might be worth leaving up the Floating CPU Window in a corner of >>> the screen - that way, when you get a SPOD, you'll be able to tell >>> if >>> it's CPU overload or something else. It's usually something else. >>> The >>> SPOD essentially says that the OS is waiting for some resource to >>> become available. >>> >>> See how things go while you're using it normally for a bit. And then >>> check memory again. >>> >>> On 7 Jan 2010, at 20:27, Jack Webb-Heller wrote: >>> >>>> Kept an eye on it for a few minutes whilst using it normally - Page >>>> Outs are sticking at around 10MB... I'm trusting that's a good >>>> sign? >>>> >>>> On 7 Jan 2010, at 20:25, Paul Durrant wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Check the memory tab of the activity monitor window - are there >>>>> lots >>>>> of page outs? > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Jack Webb-Heller personal: jack at jackwebbheller.com general: swimwire at googlemail.com http://jackwebbheller.com _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From munkt0n at gmail.com Sat Jan 9 10:07:25 2010 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 10:07:25 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] SPODs In-Reply-To: <91E3DA09-C8B8-4C1B-840C-CF77B5BD13CE@googlemail.com> References: <73AE74D2-CD9B-458D-9481-1F5C1765AC77@googlemail.com> <90975DC6-61C6-43FC-BE9C-5B9254727795@durrant.co.uk> <7C77E3D6-9836-4E98-A4B6-3AAE2647ECD4@googlemail.com> <2F85B861-BE5A-46C3-9BF3-32D1CAFEE49D@durrant.co.uk> <3A104A1D-AAF0-47CE-822F-51AE651EB055@durrant.co.uk> <91E3DA09-C8B8-4C1B-840C-CF77B5BD13CE@googlemail.com> Message-ID: have you tried ordering by "%CPU" in activity monitor? open activity monitor and click on the column header labeled "%CPU" until it displays a downward pointing black triangle. The process using the most CPU will always jump to the top of the list, this may help identify what's causing the problem. On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Jack Webb-Heller wrote: > Do we have any other ideas regarding the SPODs? > > My father recommended I downloaded OnyX, which I ran all the maintenance and clearing up with - unfortunately it hasn't made a difference and the SPODs still haunt me. > > Even when I quit quite literally every single program except the Finder I am still getting them just switching between windows or moving back/forward in the Finder browser. > > Are there any other cleaning up tools etc. that may help? Also, I will give it a go with another user account if you think it may help as Allan suggested to me. > > Jack > From swimwire at googlemail.com Sat Jan 9 10:13:34 2010 From: swimwire at googlemail.com (Jack Webb-Heller) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 10:13:34 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] SPODs In-Reply-To: References: <73AE74D2-CD9B-458D-9481-1F5C1765AC77@googlemail.com> <90975DC6-61C6-43FC-BE9C-5B9254727795@durrant.co.uk> <7C77E3D6-9836-4E98-A4B6-3AAE2647ECD4@googlemail.com> <2F85B861-BE5A-46C3-9BF3-32D1CAFEE49D@durrant.co.uk> <3A104A1D-AAF0-47CE-822F-51AE651EB055@durrant.co.uk> <91E3DA09-C8B8-4C1B-840C-CF77B5BD13CE@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <7CE876C9-8992-472D-9FD9-E9B8AE2A0C55@googlemail.com> I will give it a try, however we concluded in earlier posts that it likely is not a CPU issue, I used the computer with the floating CPU monitor open in the corner and it remained at around 25% throughout 10 minutes use, although I still got around 6 or 7 SPODs - but il give it a shot in case it leads us a bit further. I'll report back soon (on the iPod right now) Jack Sent from iPod Touch On 9 Jan 2010, at 10:07, Scott Matthews wrote: > have you tried ordering by "%CPU" in activity monitor? > > open activity monitor and click on the column header labeled "%CPU" > until it displays a downward pointing black triangle. > > The process using the most CPU will always jump to the top of the > list, this may help identify what's causing the problem. > > On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Jack Webb-Heller > wrote: >> Do we have any other ideas regarding the SPODs? >> >> My father recommended I downloaded OnyX, which I ran all the >> maintenance and clearing up with - unfortunately it hasn't made a >> difference and the SPODs still haunt me. >> >> Even when I quit quite literally every single program except the >> Finder I am still getting them just switching between windows or >> moving back/forward in the Finder browser. >> >> Are there any other cleaning up tools etc. that may help? Also, I >> will give it a go with another user account if you think it may >> help as Allan suggested to me. >> >> Jack >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From swimwire at googlemail.com Sat Jan 9 11:15:20 2010 From: swimwire at googlemail.com (Jack Webb-Heller) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 11:15:20 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] SPODs In-Reply-To: References: <73AE74D2-CD9B-458D-9481-1F5C1765AC77@googlemail.com> <90975DC6-61C6-43FC-BE9C-5B9254727795@durrant.co.uk> <7C77E3D6-9836-4E98-A4B6-3AAE2647ECD4@googlemail.com> <2F85B861-BE5A-46C3-9BF3-32D1CAFEE49D@durrant.co.uk> <3A104A1D-AAF0-47CE-822F-51AE651EB055@durrant.co.uk> <91E3DA09-C8B8-4C1B-840C-CF77B5BD13CE@googlemail.com> Message-ID: Hello NMUGgers, It's not good news. I created two new user accounts (One admin, one standard) and both SPODded like crazy. I'll admit it's not as bad as on my regular account, but still - a fresh user account, I open Safari, and it SPODs and lags just whilst playing Apple's own Safari introduction video. If there's any last things I can try before using Archive and Install I'd really appreciate knowing, only, reinstall the whole OS seems like quite a drastic step. Jack On 8 Jan 2010, at 22:12, Paul Durrant wrote: > Certainly try creating a fresh test user account - an excellent > trouble-shooting step. > > If this persists, however, your best bet might be a re-install of the > system software using Archive and Install. There must be something > wrong with the system software, but working out exactly what will take > a lot more time and hassle than installing a fresh copy. Jack Webb-Heller personal: jack at jackwebbheller.com general: swimwire at googlemail.com http://jackwebbheller.com From swimwire at googlemail.com Sat Jan 9 11:23:42 2010 From: swimwire at googlemail.com (Jack Webb-Heller) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 11:23:42 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] SPODs In-Reply-To: References: <73AE74D2-CD9B-458D-9481-1F5C1765AC77@googlemail.com> <90975DC6-61C6-43FC-BE9C-5B9254727795@durrant.co.uk> <7C77E3D6-9836-4E98-A4B6-3AAE2647ECD4@googlemail.com> <2F85B861-BE5A-46C3-9BF3-32D1CAFEE49D@durrant.co.uk> <3A104A1D-AAF0-47CE-822F-51AE651EB055@durrant.co.uk> <91E3DA09-C8B8-4C1B-840C-CF77B5BD13CE@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <3668C6E2-F314-480A-9CB1-4BD66C69BD07@googlemail.com> Just to update you: I have to go into town this afternoon 3 until 6 for a Theatre rehearsal. I have booked a Genius Bar appointment for 6:20 regarding a problem I have had previously (I'll open a new thread for that) and also mentioned about the SPODs. If a 'Genius' can't sort me out then I'll definitely try the reinstalling of the OS. Thank you everyone for your help - It's very much appreciated. I'll let you know what they say. Jack On 8 Jan 2010, at 22:12, Paul Durrant wrote: > If this persists, however, your best bet might be a re-install of the > system software using Archive and Install. There must be something > wrong with the system software, but working out exactly what will take > a lot more time and hassle than installing a fresh copy. Jack Webb-Heller personal: jack at jackwebbheller.com general: swimwire at googlemail.com http://jackwebbheller.com From swimwire at googlemail.com Sat Jan 9 11:27:44 2010 From: swimwire at googlemail.com (Jack Webb-Heller) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 11:27:44 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Screws underneath MacBook Message-ID: <77AAC5C5-8321-41B7-B864-FFE1D8B5D1EA@googlemail.com> Hello, I'm wondering - does anyone else have one of the latest MacBooks - the white ones? I've had mine about 3 months now. It's fantastic, except, I noticed a few weeks ago one of the screws on the bottom had come loose. It was starting to actually wobble out of place... worrying, considering Apple's attention to build quality. I screwed it back into place as tightly as I could. Now last week I noticed it had dropped right out. Completely fallen out of the MacBook - somewhere, and I have no idea where it could be. Also another two screws were loose and looked like they might drop out too. Took it into Apple Store who said they'd 'never seen this before' and ordered me in some parts. Got a phone call from them the other day to say my screws had arrived, and to book up a Genius appointment sometime soon. I did it for yesterday, but couldn't make it in because of the snow (I'll be trying today). So what I want to know is: - If you have a new MacBook, check the base - are any screws loose? And, do you think it was a fib when they said they'd 'never seen it before'? Am I seriously just a one off or are they protecting their reputation? Jack Jack Webb-Heller personal: jack at jackwebbheller.com general: swimwire at googlemail.com http://jackwebbheller.com From bazyoungs at mac.com Sat Jan 9 13:58:40 2010 From: bazyoungs at mac.com (Barry Youngs) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 13:58:40 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] map software for Mac In-Reply-To: <904091.27987.qm@web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <904091.27987.qm@web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Valerie If you have an Iphone or an Ipod Touch there is an app called " City Maps 2Go" Not sure if it is any good but may be worth a look Barry On 6 Jan 2010, at 11:47, VALERIE HARDMAN wrote: > Is there such a thing as a map of Europe much the same as on a satnav The true meaning of VISTA is: Virus Inside Switch To Apple! From swimwire at googlemail.com Sat Jan 9 20:25:22 2010 From: swimwire at googlemail.com (Jack Webb-Heller) Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 20:25:22 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] SPODs In-Reply-To: References: <73AE74D2-CD9B-458D-9481-1F5C1765AC77@googlemail.com> <90975DC6-61C6-43FC-BE9C-5B9254727795@durrant.co.uk> <7C77E3D6-9836-4E98-A4B6-3AAE2647ECD4@googlemail.com> <2F85B861-BE5A-46C3-9BF3-32D1CAFEE49D@durrant.co.uk> <3A104A1D-AAF0-47CE-822F-51AE651EB055@durrant.co.uk> <91E3DA09-C8B8-4C1B-840C-CF77B5BD13CE@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <5FCAE8FA-E054-42DA-9BB5-9378DCBF6469@googlemail.com> Hello NMUG, My problem is solved, with many thanks to Paul Durrant. I had a theory on what the problem might be and emailed him off the list to confirm it. Basically, to make a really long story short: On Thursday I went to my friend's house to teach him some things in PHP. I was demonstrating how to send emails with PHP code and put this inside a code loop. Unfortunately I got the programming syntax incorrect and as such the script was left to execute for about 10 minutes: this syntax error meant that the PHP script added thousands of identical emails to the Mail queue! Although it was using little CPU, the email queue was processing and my friend received hundreds of emails from me (luckily they all went to his spam folder) - like I say, we only meant to send one but an error in the code caused this. At the time I didn't realise the SPODs I was receiving were associated with the fact that constantly in the background my MacBook was sending my friend thousands of emails. This morning he called me to say his spam folder now had over 10,000 messages in, and we worked out that they weren't in an online mail queue, but rather were being sent whenever my Mac was on and connected to WiFi. Thanks to Paul confirming my code error he pointed out that I needed to clear the Postfix mail queue. A bit of googling told me some commands to type into Terminal: this was the output - Jack-Webb-Hellers-MacBook:~ Jack$ sudo postsuper -d ALL Password: postsuper: Deleted: 12505 messages Twelve thousand five hundred and five more messages were queued for delivery to my friend! Oops... an error I'll not make again! Thank you to everyone at NMUG for their helpful comments. They were much appreciated, thank you. Jack On 8 Jan 2010, at 22:12, Paul Durrant wrote: > Certainly try creating a fresh test user account - an excellent > trouble-shooting step. > > If this persists, however, your best bet might be a re-install of the > system software using Archive and Install. There must be something > wrong with the system software, but working out exactly what will take > a lot more time and hassle than installing a fresh copy. > > regards, > > Paul > > On 8 Jan 2010, at 22:00, Jack Webb-Heller wrote: > >> Are there any other cleaning up tools etc. that may help? Also, I >> will give it a go with another user account if you think it may help >> as Allan suggested to me. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Jack Webb-Heller personal: jack at jackwebbheller.com general: swimwire at googlemail.com http://jackwebbheller.com From ferrers_young at hotmail.com Sun Jan 10 03:21:38 2010 From: ferrers_young at hotmail.com (Ferrers Young) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 03:21:38 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] problem with desktop In-Reply-To: <9E1F224D-82FB-4D23-85E7-3CD097FC32F0@btinternet.com> References: <9E1F224D-82FB-4D23-85E7-3CD097FC32F0@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Hello Karl, This could be a work-around, especially if the AppleScript is added to startup items - http://www.macefficiency.com/me101/1999/18_AppleScript_Broom.html I use Bill's "Broom" Script on my G3 iMac running OS 9.1 - I haven't tried it under OS X - I try (unsuccessfully) to keep the desktop clear! I just love its simplicity. Hope that is of some use, Ferrers > From: karl.hortt at btinternet.com > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 11:58:23 +0000 > To: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Subject: [NMUG] problem with desktop > > > Hi All, > > I am using 10.6.2 on my Mac Pro > > when I turn off and restart the machine, the desktop icons, about 30 ! > > are all grouped in 3 columns on the right side of the screen > > I then have to spend 5 minutes re arranging them > > any ideas, how to stop them jumping around > > really annoying !! > > regards > > Karl > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _________________________________________________________________ Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ From valeriehardman at btinternet.com Sun Jan 10 15:53:05 2010 From: valeriehardman at btinternet.com (VALERIE HARDMAN) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 15:53:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 72, Issue 15 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <469403.1017.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Thanks Barry, I shall look at this. I'll also see if there are any more 'map' apps that might be useful. Valerie > Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 13:58:40 +0000 > From: Barry Youngs > Subject: Re: [NMUG] map software for Mac > To: Norwich Mac User Group list > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Valerie > If you have an Iphone or an Ipod Touch there is an app > called " City Maps 2Go" > Not sure if it is any good but may be worth a look > Barry > On 6 Jan 2010, at 11:47, VALERIE HARDMAN wrote: > > > Is there such a thing as a map of Europe much the same > as on a satnav > > ********** > From penguinsplj at me.com Sun Jan 10 17:47:53 2010 From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:47:53 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] CD Labels Message-ID: <7F283946-E4A7-43B9-9DD3-D34E63C72810@me.com> Does anyone still use these? The ones where you print to a sticky label and then place on your owned burned CDs and DVDs. I stopped using them when I got my direct to disc printer several years ago but in the new year sort out I have found a refill pack and more so free to anyone who wants them. I can bring the pack to the next meeting on the 27th January. Regards Paul C From michelehurst at mac.com Sun Jan 10 18:05:00 2010 From: michelehurst at mac.com (Michele Hurst) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:05:00 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iphone ringtone Message-ID: <0E284F4E-DA4F-4939-98D4-63FCEEC3EDB3@mac.com> Must be the snow or something as have spent about 4 hours trying to turn Dr who theme purchased from itunes into ringtone. Having googled and tried loads of suggestions, changed store to usa and it now appears in ipod as "ringtone" as opposed to "soundtrack" but will not appear on ringtone list in iphone settings. After much trial and error it seems that it has to be in computer ringtone folder before it can be synced onto ringtone list in iphone settings. when I try to drag it into that folder, instead of just that one highlighting, the library and everything (for computer not iphone) highlight as one huge box. Is this a problem with latest version of itunes. Obviously I need to get a life but it is frustrating the hell out of me. Can anyone help as I have run out of ideas as to how to google the problem??? Thanks Michele From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Sun Jan 10 18:24:59 2010 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:24:59 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] CD Labels In-Reply-To: <7F283946-E4A7-43B9-9DD3-D34E63C72810@me.com> References: <7F283946-E4A7-43B9-9DD3-D34E63C72810@me.com> Message-ID: Paul, I have a device called 'pressit' for positioning such labels. I have never used it so I too can bring to the meeting if anyone wants it. Ken On 10 Jan 2010, at 05:47 PM, Paul Chapman wrote: > Does anyone still use these? The ones where you print to a sticky > label and then place on your owned burned CDs and DVDs. I stopped > using them when I got my direct to disc printer several years ago but > in the new year sort out I have found a refill pack and more so free > to anyone who wants them. I can bring the pack to the next meeting on > the 27th January. > > Regards > > Paul C > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From kelvinyoungs at mac.com Sun Jan 10 18:30:49 2010 From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:30:49 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] CD Labels In-Reply-To: References: <7F283946-E4A7-43B9-9DD3-D34E63C72810@me.com> Message-ID: They are both great items that I am always using ? alas work strange shifts at the hospital and unable to make it to the meetings. Kelvin http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com From penguinsplj at me.com Sun Jan 10 18:33:43 2010 From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:33:43 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] CD Labels In-Reply-To: References: <7F283946-E4A7-43B9-9DD3-D34E63C72810@me.com> Message-ID: <04351388-2F0B-43D8-9286-9DBF05FB2A74@me.com> On Jan 10, 2010, at 18:30, Kelvin Youngs wrote: > They are both great items that I am always using ? alas work strange > shifts at the hospital and unable to make it to the meetings. Where are you Kelvin? Maybe I can leave them somewhere/with someone for you to pick up if you want them. Paul C From kelvinyoungs at mac.com Sun Jan 10 18:39:08 2010 From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs) Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 18:39:08 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] CD Labels In-Reply-To: <04351388-2F0B-43D8-9286-9DBF05FB2A74@me.com> References: <7F283946-E4A7-43B9-9DD3-D34E63C72810@me.com> <04351388-2F0B-43D8-9286-9DBF05FB2A74@me.com> Message-ID: <33277541-7194-4567-A212-2512DD79A0F4@mac.com> I live in sunny Great Yarmouth Paul. But would be great to have them I have a brother who lives in Spixworth if anyone goes to that area (Mmm maybe no one goes there though) ? maybe when the member has finished with the USB turntable perhaps? Kelvin From munkt0n at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 09:14:01 2010 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:14:01 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iphone ringtone In-Reply-To: <0E284F4E-DA4F-4939-98D4-63FCEEC3EDB3@mac.com> References: <0E284F4E-DA4F-4939-98D4-63FCEEC3EDB3@mac.com> Message-ID: you can use any sound file in iTunes as an iPhone ring tone. 1. find the file you want to use as a ring tone 2. right click on the file, select 'convert selection to AAC' 3. this will make a duplicate of your song/sound file. right click on the duplicate and select 'delete' choose to 'keep file' 4. now you'll have to find this converted file, it will be in your iTunes library folder. it will have a .m4a extension 5. change the file extension to .m4r 6. double click the file, iTunes will import it, and it will appear in your ringtone folder in iTunes. This sounds complicated, but it sure beats having to pay Apple each time you want a new ringtone. there are some more detailed instructions here http://www.ehow.com/how_2160460_custom-iphone-ringtones-free.html On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Michele Hurst wrote: > Must be the snow or something as have spent about 4 hours trying to > turn Dr who theme purchased from itunes into ringtone. Having googled > and tried loads of suggestions, changed store to usa and it now > appears in ipod as "ringtone" as opposed to "soundtrack" but will not > appear on ringtone list in iphone settings. After much trial and error > it seems that it has to be in computer ringtone folder before it can > be synced onto ringtone list in iphone settings. when I try to drag it > into that folder, instead of just that one highlighting, the library > and everything (for computer not iphone) highlight as one huge box. Is > this a problem with latest version of itunes. Obviously I need to get > a life but it is frustrating the hell out of me. Can anyone help as I > have run out of ideas as to how to google the problem??? > Thanks > Michele > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- :wq From hidunc at ntlworld.com Mon Jan 11 09:26:01 2010 From: hidunc at ntlworld.com (J L Duncan Bradford) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:26:01 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] ntlworld account Message-ID: <54A2294C-798E-4730-8C5C-90770C63E87F@ntlworld.com> Hi All I've been trying to make a new email address on Virgin/ntlworld. Does anyone else on ex-ntlworld cable find they can't do the 'household management' side of things? I CAN get in to read my emails but any time I try to manage something it says 'error - not possible to retrieve your.....etc' It's always been this way for me but last year after numerous calls someone got me in. Now they are denying that & generally stonewalling or saying its a Mac problem, so I need advice or at least evidence. [And please don't just say 'switch ISP'] From what I can understand this doesn't happen with Virgin a/cs, or ex-blueyonder, just ex-ntlworld. Can anyone verify from experience? I'm looking for about 100 punters in the end I guess, for them to listen From macman at f2s.com Mon Jan 11 09:47:46 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:47:46 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] ntlworld account In-Reply-To: <54A2294C-798E-4730-8C5C-90770C63E87F@ntlworld.com> References: <54A2294C-798E-4730-8C5C-90770C63E87F@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: In my experience, any 'Mac problem' quoted by ISPs is simply dodging the issue, or to use a technical term, bollix. Maybe you could call their bluff and try it on a PC? Robbie On 11 Jan 2010, at 09:26, J L Duncan Bradford wrote: Hi All I've been trying to make a new email address on Virgin/ntlworld. Does anyone else on ex-ntlworld cable find they can't do the 'household management' side of things? I CAN get in to read my emails but any time I try to manage something it says 'error - not possible to retrieve your.....etc' It's always been this way for me but last year after numerous calls someone got me in. Now they are denying that & generally stonewalling or saying its a Mac problem, so I need advice or at least evidence. [And please don't just say 'switch ISP'] From what I can understand this doesn't happen with Virgin a/cs, or ex-blueyonder, just ex-ntlworld. Can anyone verify from experience? I'm looking for about 100 punters in the end I guess, for them to listen _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From karl.hortt at btinternet.com Mon Jan 11 12:52:09 2010 From: karl.hortt at btinternet.com (Karl hortt) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:52:09 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] For O2 Iphone users Message-ID: <3147DC39-D835-4983-A9E3-8DE22833A9FF@btinternet.com> Hi All, My Iphone contract with O2 has just come to an end after 18 months I want to wait to see if Apple bring out a new iphone in June, same as the last couple of years I dont think the upgrade from 3G to 3GS is worth tying in for another 18 months Just contacted O2, to request going over to a pay as you go basis I have been paying ?35 per month for 600 minutes, 500 texts and unlimited internet They told me I could change to to a special deal for Iphone users... 600 minutes, 1200 texts and unlimited internet. this is a rolling 30 day contract, can upgrade when ever new iphone is issued for .... ?20 per month...... nice surprise thought it might interest other group members Karl From munkt0n at gmail.com Mon Jan 11 12:56:45 2010 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:56:45 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] For O2 Iphone users In-Reply-To: <3147DC39-D835-4983-A9E3-8DE22833A9FF@btinternet.com> References: <3147DC39-D835-4983-A9E3-8DE22833A9FF@btinternet.com> Message-ID: perfect timing! my contract is due to end this month too. Thanks for the info Karl On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Karl hortt wrote: > > Hi All, > > My Iphone contract with O2 has just come to an end after 18 months > > I want to wait to see if Apple bring out a new iphone in June, same as the last couple of years > > I dont think the upgrade from 3G to 3GS is worth tying in for another 18 months > > Just contacted O2, to request going over to a pay as you go basis > > I have been paying ?35 per month for 600 minutes, 500 texts and unlimited internet > > They told me I could change to to a special deal for Iphone users... > > 600 minutes, 1200 texts and unlimited internet. > > this is a rolling 30 day contract, can upgrade when ever new iphone is issued for .... > > ?20 per month...... > > nice surprise > > thought it might interest other group members > > Karl > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- :wq From hidunc at ntlworld.com Mon Jan 11 13:08:56 2010 From: hidunc at ntlworld.com (J L Duncan Bradford) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:08:56 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] ntlworld account Message-ID: <5D4F5D2D-C415-4557-8FF9-AB75C10FE58C@ntlworld.com> Hi Robbie et al <> Sorry, should have added that I've tried it on PC, and with several versions of several browsers. It's always the same. All I really want to know is proof that it happens to other ex-ntl customers. If ex-ntl customers could email me direct on hidunc at ntlworld.com rather than clog up NMUG space I'd be very grateful, whether you CAN access your webspace / organise your account or you CANT. ps Accessing my webspace is the other main thing I can't do from their website, though have been able to in the past, and can go the unlinked direct route from the bookmark I made & use ftptransfer. From minkennison at mac.com Mon Jan 11 14:13:09 2010 From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:13:09 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] For O2 Iphone users In-Reply-To: References: <3147DC39-D835-4983-A9E3-8DE22833A9FF@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Thanks Karl - mine won't be long befor it finishes Min On 11 Jan 2010, at 12:5611 Jan 2010, Scott Matthews wrote: > perfect timing! my contract is due to end this month too. > Thanks for the info Karl > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Karl hortt wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> My Iphone contract with O2 has just come to an end after 18 months >> >> I want to wait to see if Apple bring out a new iphone in June, same as the last couple of years >> >> I dont think the upgrade from 3G to 3GS is worth tying in for another 18 months >> >> Just contacted O2, to request going over to a pay as you go basis >> >> I have been paying ?35 per month for 600 minutes, 500 texts and unlimited internet >> >> They told me I could change to to a special deal for Iphone users... >> >> 600 minutes, 1200 texts and unlimited internet. >> >> this is a rolling 30 day contract, can upgrade when ever new iphone is issued for .... >> >> ?20 per month...... >> >> nice surprise >> >> thought it might interest other group members >> >> Karl >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > > > -- > :wq > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From band1 at mac.com Mon Jan 11 17:35:44 2010 From: band1 at mac.com (David King) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:35:44 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iphoto library Message-ID: <7A6A4556-F7EB-4B1B-B27F-ABB124C1E96A@mac.com> My neighbour has a new Macbook and an iMac. Both are running Snow Leopard. We want put all his photos on the iMac onto the Macbook. The iMac is running iPhoto 08 and the new Mac book iPhoto 09. The computers are communicating happily over a wireless network and I have copied the IMacs iPhoto Library to the new laptop. How do I now get those photos into iPhoto? If I try to import them the library I am trying to import is greyed out. Should I remove the existing library to another location, move the new library to 'pictures' and then open iPhoto and create a new library by directing it to this new one? I have had a look at the package contents of the new iPhoto and I see there is a face recognition folder there, for example, that isn't in the older version. Does this recreate too? David From paul at durrant.co.uk Mon Jan 11 17:40:18 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:40:18 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iphoto library In-Reply-To: <7A6A4556-F7EB-4B1B-B27F-ABB124C1E96A@mac.com> References: <7A6A4556-F7EB-4B1B-B27F-ABB124C1E96A@mac.com> Message-ID: <43ABC522-86CA-432F-81FA-96FC6C759B5D@durrant.co.uk> Assuming there are currently no photos he wants to keep in the MacBook iPhoto library: Start with iPhoto not running on either machine. Copy the iPhoto Library from the iMac to the MacBook, replacing the existing iPhoto Library on the MacBook completely. When you start up iPhoto on the MacBook, it will convert the library format to the iPhoto '09 format. regards, Paul > My neighbour has a new Macbook and an iMac. Both are running Snow > Leopard. We want put all his photos on the iMac onto the Macbook. > The iMac is running iPhoto 08 and the new Mac book iPhoto 09. The > computers are communicating happily over a wireless network and I > have copied the IMacs iPhoto Library to the new laptop. How do I > now get those photos into iPhoto? If I try to import them the > library I am trying to import is greyed out. > > Should I remove the existing library to another location, move the > new library to 'pictures' and then open iPhoto and create a new > library by directing it to this new one? I have had a look at the > package contents of the new iPhoto and I see there is a face > recognition folder there, for example, that isn't in the older > version. Does this recreate too? > From stairbooks at yahoo.co.uk Mon Jan 11 17:49:34 2010 From: stairbooks at yahoo.co.uk (Stair) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:49:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [NMUG] Screws underneath MacBook In-Reply-To: <77AAC5C5-8321-41B7-B864-FFE1D8B5D1EA@googlemail.com> References: <77AAC5C5-8321-41B7-B864-FFE1D8B5D1EA@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <213022.50197.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Jack, You don't seem to have had a lot of response to this thread so I thought I'd break the silence by saying I don't seem to have a (MacBook) screw loose. Mine's a white one a little over a year old. I'd take it by the silence that no one else seems to have experienced this? Hope it gets sorted. All the best, Stair ________________________________ From: Jack Webb-Heller To: NMUG Mailing List Sent: Sat, 9 January, 2010 11:27:44 Subject: [NMUG] Screws underneath MacBook Hello, I'm wondering - does anyone else have one of the latest MacBooks - the white ones? I've had mine about 3 months now. It's fantastic, except, I noticed a few weeks ago one of the screws on the bottom had come loose. It was starting to actually wobble out of place... worrying, considering Apple's attention to build quality. I screwed it back into place as tightly as I could. Now last week I noticed it had dropped right out. Completely fallen out of the MacBook - somewhere, and I have no idea where it could be. Also another two screws were loose and looked like they might drop out too. Took it into Apple Store who said they'd 'never seen this before' and ordered me in some parts. Got a phone call from them the other day to say my screws had arrived, and to book up a Genius appointment sometime soon. I did it for yesterday, but couldn't make it in because of the snow (I'll be trying today). So what I want to know is: - If you have a new MacBook, check the base - are any screws loose? And, do you think it was a fib when they said they'd 'never seen it before'? Am I seriously just a one off or are they protecting their reputation? Jack Jack Webb-Heller personal: jack at jackwebbheller.com general: swimwire at googlemail.com http://jackwebbheller.com _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From band1 at mac.com Mon Jan 11 17:51:09 2010 From: band1 at mac.com (David King) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:51:09 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iphoto library In-Reply-To: <43ABC522-86CA-432F-81FA-96FC6C759B5D@durrant.co.uk> References: <7A6A4556-F7EB-4B1B-B27F-ABB124C1E96A@mac.com> <43ABC522-86CA-432F-81FA-96FC6C759B5D@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Thanks for that Paul. So that is more or less what I have said I think. I will go and do that now. best regards David On 11 Jan 2010, at 17:40, Paul Durrant wrote: > Assuming there are currently no photos he wants to keep in the MacBook > iPhoto library: > > Start with iPhoto not running on either machine. Copy the iPhoto > Library from the iMac to the MacBook, replacing the existing iPhoto > Library on the MacBook completely. When you start up iPhoto on the > MacBook, it will convert the library format to the iPhoto '09 format. > > regards, > > Paul > >> My neighbour has a new Macbook and an iMac. Both are running Snow >> Leopard. We want put all his photos on the iMac onto the Macbook. >> The iMac is running iPhoto 08 and the new Mac book iPhoto 09. The >> computers are communicating happily over a wireless network and I >> have copied the IMacs iPhoto Library to the new laptop. How do I >> now get those photos into iPhoto? If I try to import them the >> library I am trying to import is greyed out. >> >> Should I remove the existing library to another location, move the >> new library to 'pictures' and then open iPhoto and create a new >> library by directing it to this new one? I have had a look at the >> package contents of the new iPhoto and I see there is a face >> recognition folder there, for example, that isn't in the older >> version. Does this recreate too? >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From band1 at mac.com Mon Jan 11 18:41:41 2010 From: band1 at mac.com (David King) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:41:41 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iphoto library In-Reply-To: References: <7A6A4556-F7EB-4B1B-B27F-ABB124C1E96A@mac.com> <43ABC522-86CA-432F-81FA-96FC6C759B5D@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Paul I have just returned from doing as you said and a most strange thing is happening. After taking out old library and putting in new I opened iPhoto. All the photo albums and slide shows are listed down left side as you would expect. 1. In 'events' the events are named but no pictures appear in the squares. 2. If I move the side bar down a picture appears in the events squares but disappears when I let go. 3. If I click on an event to bring up the photos in that event empty squares appear where the pictures should be. 4. If I double click on an empty square to open the picture that should be there the picture opens and is there as normal. So clearly all the pictures are there but why are they not showing in the events and pictures pane? Could the copy of the Library be corrupted in some way and therefore need a new copy? After this I subsequently also changed the name of the library to library2 to make iPhoto ask me to select the library and no difference as everything continued to appear as described. regards David On 11 Jan 2010, at 17:51, David King wrote: > Thanks for that Paul. So that is more or less what I have said I think. I will go and do that now. > > best regards > David > > > On 11 Jan 2010, at 17:40, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> Assuming there are currently no photos he wants to keep in the MacBook >> iPhoto library: >> >> Start with iPhoto not running on either machine. Copy the iPhoto >> Library from the iMac to the MacBook, replacing the existing iPhoto >> Library on the MacBook completely. When you start up iPhoto on the >> MacBook, it will convert the library format to the iPhoto '09 format. >> >> regards, >> >> Paul >> >>> My neighbour has a new Macbook and an iMac. Both are running Snow >>> Leopard. We want put all his photos on the iMac onto the Macbook. >>> The iMac is running iPhoto 08 and the new Mac book iPhoto 09. The >>> computers are communicating happily over a wireless network and I >>> have copied the IMacs iPhoto Library to the new laptop. How do I >>> now get those photos into iPhoto? If I try to import them the >>> library I am trying to import is greyed out. >>> >>> Should I remove the existing library to another location, move the >>> new library to 'pictures' and then open iPhoto and create a new >>> library by directing it to this new one? I have had a look at the >>> package contents of the new iPhoto and I see there is a face >>> recognition folder there, for example, that isn't in the older >>> version. Does this recreate too? >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Mon Jan 11 19:01:10 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:01:10 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iphoto library In-Reply-To: References: <7A6A4556-F7EB-4B1B-B27F-ABB124C1E96A@mac.com> <43ABC522-86CA-432F-81FA-96FC6C759B5D@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi David, How peculiar. In that case, there is another option. AFTER MAKING SURE YOU HAVE A FULL BACKUP OF THE iMAC Copy iPhoto '09 to the iMac and run it there. That will definitely convert the Library to iPhoto '09 format. Copy that library to the MacBook, and then restore the iPhoto '08 library from your backup. I can only think that there's some other preference on the MacBook that tells iPhoto '09 it's not on its initial launch, and so it isn't doing a proper conversion of the iPhoto '08 library format. Or as another option, try deleting all iPhoto '09 preference files anywhere on the MacBook, and re-copy the library from the iMac, to get the iPhoto '09 on the MacBook to think that it's a first run. NB I haven't tried any of these things myself - they're just what I'd try in your situation. regards, Paul On 11 Jan 2010, at 18:41, David King wrote: > Paul I have just returned from doing as you said and a most strange > thing is happening. > > After taking out old library and putting in new I opened iPhoto. > All the photo albums and slide shows are listed down left side as > you would expect. > > 1. In 'events' the events are named but no pictures appear in the > squares. > > 2. If I move the side bar down a picture appears in the events > squares but disappears when I let go. > > 3. If I click on an event to bring up the photos in that event empty > squares appear where the pictures should be. > > 4. If I double click on an empty square to open the picture that > should be there the picture opens and is there as normal. > > So clearly all the pictures are there but why are they not showing > in the events and pictures pane? Could the copy of the Library be > corrupted in some way and therefore need a new copy? > > After this I subsequently also changed the name of the library to > library2 to make iPhoto ask me to select the library and no > difference as everything continued to appear as described. From band1 at mac.com Mon Jan 11 19:22:39 2010 From: band1 at mac.com (David King) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:22:39 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iphoto library In-Reply-To: References: <7A6A4556-F7EB-4B1B-B27F-ABB124C1E96A@mac.com> <43ABC522-86CA-432F-81FA-96FC6C759B5D@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <847EF162-DFEC-4C81-B81B-37652CFB46ED@mac.com> Thanks Paul Of those two options I rather like the second best as deleting the preferences folders and what amounts to resetting iPhoto to thinking its the first run would be easier for me especially as its not my computer! I will initiate another copy of the library tomorrow, which is a long job, and go from there. If that fails then I'll try the first suggestion. Thanks very much for you help. regards David On 11 Jan 2010, at 19:01, Paul Durrant wrote: > Hi David, > > How peculiar. In that case, there is another option. > > AFTER MAKING SURE YOU HAVE A FULL BACKUP OF THE iMAC > > Copy iPhoto '09 to the iMac and run it there. That will definitely > convert the Library to iPhoto '09 format. Copy that library to the > MacBook, and then restore the iPhoto '08 library from your backup. > > I can only think that there's some other preference on the MacBook > that tells iPhoto '09 it's not on its initial launch, and so it isn't > doing a proper conversion of the iPhoto '08 library format. > > Or as another option, try deleting all iPhoto '09 preference files > anywhere on the MacBook, and re-copy the library from the iMac, to get > the iPhoto '09 on the MacBook to think that it's a first run. > > NB I haven't tried any of these things myself - they're just what I'd > try in your situation. > > > regards, > > Paul > > On 11 Jan 2010, at 18:41, David King wrote: > >> Paul I have just returned from doing as you said and a most strange >> thing is happening. >> >> After taking out old library and putting in new I opened iPhoto. >> All the photo albums and slide shows are listed down left side as >> you would expect. >> >> 1. In 'events' the events are named but no pictures appear in the >> squares. >> >> 2. If I move the side bar down a picture appears in the events >> squares but disappears when I let go. >> >> 3. If I click on an event to bring up the photos in that event empty >> squares appear where the pictures should be. >> >> 4. If I double click on an empty square to open the picture that >> should be there the picture opens and is there as normal. >> >> So clearly all the pictures are there but why are they not showing >> in the events and pictures pane? Could the copy of the Library be >> corrupted in some way and therefore need a new copy? >> >> After this I subsequently also changed the name of the library to >> library2 to make iPhoto ask me to select the library and no >> difference as everything continued to appear as described. > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk Mon Jan 11 19:30:39 2010 From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:30:39 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iphoto library In-Reply-To: References: <7A6A4556-F7EB-4B1B-B27F-ABB124C1E96A@mac.com> <43ABC522-86CA-432F-81FA-96FC6C759B5D@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Rebuild the library and also get iPhoto Library Manager! Steven Jefferson steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk On 11 Jan 2010, at 18:41, David King wrote: > Paul I have just returned from doing as you said and a most strange thing is happening. > > After taking out old library and putting in new I opened iPhoto. All the photo albums and slide shows are listed down left side as you would expect. > > 1. In 'events' the events are named but no pictures appear in the squares. > > 2. If I move the side bar down a picture appears in the events squares but disappears when I let go. > > 3. If I click on an event to bring up the photos in that event empty squares appear where the pictures should be. > > 4. If I double click on an empty square to open the picture that should be there the picture opens and is there as normal. > > So clearly all the pictures are there but why are they not showing in the events and pictures pane? Could the copy of the Library be corrupted in some way and therefore need a new copy? > > After this I subsequently also changed the name of the library to library2 to make iPhoto ask me to select the library and no difference as everything continued to appear as described. > > regards > > David > > > > On 11 Jan 2010, at 17:51, David King wrote: > >> Thanks for that Paul. So that is more or less what I have said I think. I will go and do that now. >> >> best regards >> David >> >> >> On 11 Jan 2010, at 17:40, Paul Durrant wrote: >> >>> Assuming there are currently no photos he wants to keep in the MacBook >>> iPhoto library: >>> >>> Start with iPhoto not running on either machine. Copy the iPhoto >>> Library from the iMac to the MacBook, replacing the existing iPhoto >>> Library on the MacBook completely. When you start up iPhoto on the >>> MacBook, it will convert the library format to the iPhoto '09 format. >>> >>> regards, >>> >>> Paul >>> >>>> My neighbour has a new Macbook and an iMac. Both are running Snow >>>> Leopard. We want put all his photos on the iMac onto the Macbook. >>>> The iMac is running iPhoto 08 and the new Mac book iPhoto 09. The >>>> computers are communicating happily over a wireless network and I >>>> have copied the IMacs iPhoto Library to the new laptop. How do I >>>> now get those photos into iPhoto? If I try to import them the >>>> library I am trying to import is greyed out. >>>> >>>> Should I remove the existing library to another location, move the >>>> new library to 'pictures' and then open iPhoto and create a new >>>> library by directing it to this new one? I have had a look at the >>>> package contents of the new iPhoto and I see there is a face >>>> recognition folder there, for example, that isn't in the older >>>> version. Does this recreate too? >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ricnev at mac.com Mon Jan 11 22:06:53 2010 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:06:53 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Screws underneath MacBook In-Reply-To: <213022.50197.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <77AAC5C5-8321-41B7-B864-FFE1D8B5D1EA@googlemail.com> <213022.50197.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Stair - you might be mildly reassured to know that you probably have a different model MacBook to Jack - he says his is a new model, i.e. I presume his is a new 'Unibody' style white MacBook. In terms of loose screws in general, I could only find some references to Alumin(i)um Unibody MacBooks (& Pro's) having a possible problem with loose screws. Seems that over-tightening during assembly is the most likely cause. Of course, over-tightening of screws (and hence thread stripping) should be unlikely with correctly set up torque clutch screwdrivers, but production engineering is not as exact a process sometimes as it could be. There seems to be virtually no reports of white Unibody MacBooks with loose screws (as discernible via Google, that is). Richard. On 11 Jan 2010, at 17:49, Stair wrote: > Hi Jack, > > You don't seem to have had a lot of response to this thread so I thought I'd break the silence by saying I don't seem to have a (MacBook) screw loose. > > Mine's a white one a little over a year old. I'd take it by the silence that no one else seems to have experienced this? > > Hope it gets sorted. > > All the best, > Stair > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Jack Webb-Heller > To: NMUG Mailing List > Sent: Sat, 9 January, 2010 11:27:44 > Subject: [NMUG] Screws underneath MacBook > > Hello, > > I'm wondering - does anyone else have one of the latest MacBooks - the white ones? > > Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Mon Jan 11 22:40:33 2010 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:40:33 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] f2s Message-ID: Hi all For some reason my outgoing mail has stopped outgoing! SMTP is "outmail.f2s.com Also, I am not sure what the port number (in advanced) should be which was ( around 5oo ) as I changed it to 110 as per my laptop, and forgot to write down the old number (twit!) My laptop sends & receives mail OK so it is something on my Macpro that's at fault Before it went wrong I had changed nothing! Any ideas Martin From paul at durrant.co.uk Mon Jan 11 22:42:15 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:42:15 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] f2s In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <523B70E7-CB70-45E4-8237-F8A9FB979A74@durrant.co.uk> 110 is the port number for /incoming/ mail. (POP3) For the outgoing port number you need 25 or 587 regards, Paul On 11 Jan 2010, at 22:40, Martin Fry wrote: > For some reason my outgoing mail has stopped outgoing! > > SMTP is "outmail.f2s.com > > Also, I am not sure what the port number (in advanced) should be > which was ( around 5oo ) as I changed it to 110 as per my laptop, and > forgot to write down the old number (twit!) > > My laptop sends & receives mail OK so it is something on my Macpro > that's at fault > > Before it went wrong I had changed nothing! From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Mon Jan 11 22:49:03 2010 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:49:03 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] f2s In-Reply-To: <523B70E7-CB70-45E4-8237-F8A9FB979A74@durrant.co.uk> References: <523B70E7-CB70-45E4-8237-F8A9FB979A74@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <9E7A9120-DD04-42B5-BF32-35E221D80AAF@virgin.net> Hi Paul Tried both of those & still no go! Do I need to restart mail each time for changes to work? Martin > 110 is the port number for /incoming/ mail. (POP3) > For the outgoing port number you need 25 or 587 > > regards, > > Paul > > > On 11 Jan 2010, at 22:40, Martin Fry wrote: >> For some reason my outgoing mail has stopped outgoing! >> >> SMTP is "outmail.f2s.com >> >> Also, I am not sure what the port number (in advanced) should be >> which was ( around 5oo ) as I changed it to 110 as per my laptop, and >> forgot to write down the old number (twit!) >> >> My laptop sends & receives mail OK so it is something on my Macpro >> that's at fault >> >> Before it went wrong I had changed nothing! > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Mon Jan 11 23:17:29 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:17:29 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] f2s In-Reply-To: <9E7A9120-DD04-42B5-BF32-35E221D80AAF@virgin.net> References: <523B70E7-CB70-45E4-8237-F8A9FB979A74@durrant.co.uk> <9E7A9120-DD04-42B5-BF32-35E221D80AAF@virgin.net> Message-ID: <1710ACDE-0C45-4CE5-8593-56DE2A4D85FD@durrant.co.uk> No, the changes take place immediately. What results do you get from Connection Doctor? (Window/Connection Doctor) That should at least give some kind of error message to help diagnose the problem. regards, Paul On 11 Jan 2010, at 22:49, Martin Fry wrote: > Tried both of those & still no go! > > Do I need to restart mail each time for changes to work? > > >> For the outgoing port number you need 25 or 587 >> >> >> On 11 Jan 2010, at 22:40, Martin Fry wrote: >>> For some reason my outgoing mail has stopped outgoing! >>> >>> SMTP is "outmail.f2s.com >>> >>> Also, I am not sure what the port number (in advanced) should be >>> which was ( around 5oo ) as I changed it to 110 as per my laptop, >>> and >>> forgot to write down the old number (twit!) >>> >>> My laptop sends & receives mail OK so it is something on my Macpro >>> that's at fault >>> >>> Before it went wrong I had changed nothing! From macman at f2s.com Mon Jan 11 23:22:34 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:22:34 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] f2s In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Martin Oddly enough I've been struggling with a similar, but slightly more complex problem now for 2 days, as a script I have used daily to send a series of emails to customers using an f2s hosted domain, which has worked seamlessly for years, suddenly refuses to work, and each time returns an error message "Greeting/Authentication Failed", which I presume indicates that the f2s server has rejected the call. Nothing has changed at our end - all settings are as they have been since 2008. My f2s account, however, is working perfectly, but the domain may well be located in a different server which is down. Bother is, the 'techsupport' people haven't a clue, so I'm not hopeful they'll even know what I'm talking about if I call. They're certainly not admitting to any problem on their service status, but I long ago learned that means nothing, as they just lie and deny everything. I'm presently trying to pin this down, so far unsuccessfully, but there are some other tests I can perform in the morning. Don't assume it's always your fault! Time & time again I've battled with f2s/Pipex/Tiscali/TalkTalk to persuade them the problem is at their end and can't be solved by me "unplugging the little box with all the lights, counting to 20, then plugging it in again" I'll keep you informed, but I'm really starting to think it's time I called it a day with them. Shame, as f2s were a great little ISP until Pipex came along, and it's just gone further and further down the hill with each takeover. I've hung on because of my 14 '@f2s' email addresses, but maybe I have to grasp the nettle: at least I'm prepared with several gmail addresses up & running. Robbie On 11 Jan 2010, at 22:40, Martin Fry wrote: Hi all For some reason my outgoing mail has stopped outgoing! SMTP is "outmail.f2s.com Also, I am not sure what the port number (in advanced) should be which was ( around 5oo ) as I changed it to 110 as per my laptop, and forgot to write down the old number (twit!) My laptop sends & receives mail OK so it is something on my Macpro that's at fault Before it went wrong I had changed nothing! Any ideas Martin _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Mon Jan 11 23:45:03 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:45:03 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] f2s MORE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <192F30B7-1149-41CD-B494-45362536A10E@f2s.com> FYI Martin I have just changed the outgoing server to my f2s one, and it works perfectly, so it looks like as suspected - there's at least one f2s SMTP server down. Funny it should happen the same day Talktalk announced the burial of the Tiscali brand ....... http://tinyurl.com/byebyetiscali Robbie Hi Martin Oddly enough I've been struggling with a similar, but slightly more complex problem now for 2 days, as a script I have used daily to send a series of emails to customers using an f2s hosted domain, which has worked seamlessly for years, suddenly refuses to work, and each time returns an error message "Greeting/Authentication Failed", which I presume indicates that the f2s server has rejected the call. Nothing has changed at our end - all settings are as they have been since 2008. My f2s account, however, is working perfectly, but the domain may well be located in a different server which is down. Bother is, the 'techsupport' people haven't a clue, so I'm not hopeful they'll even know what I'm talking about if I call. They're certainly not admitting to any problem on their service status, but I long ago learned that means nothing, as they just lie and deny everything. I'm presently trying to pin this down, so far unsuccessfully, but there are some other tests I can perform in the morning. Don't assume it's always your fault! Time & time again I've battled with f2s/Pipex/Tiscali/TalkTalk to persuade them the problem is at their end and can't be solved by me "unplugging the little box with all the lights, counting to 20, then plugging it in again" I'll keep you informed, but I'm really starting to think it's time I called it a day with them. Shame, as f2s were a great little ISP until Pipex came along, and it's just gone further and further down the hill with each takeover. I've hung on because of my 14 '@f2s' email addresses, but maybe I have to grasp the nettle: at least I'm prepared with several gmail addresses up & running. Robbie On 11 Jan 2010, at 22:40, Martin Fry wrote: Hi all For some reason my outgoing mail has stopped outgoing! SMTP is "outmail.f2s.com Also, I am not sure what the port number (in advanced) should be which was ( around 5oo ) as I changed it to 110 as per my laptop, and forgot to write down the old number (twit!) My laptop sends & receives mail OK so it is something on my Macpro that's at fault Before it went wrong I had changed nothing! Any ideas Martin _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ernienmug at f2s.com Tue Jan 12 04:36:08 2010 From: ernienmug at f2s.com (Ernie Ives) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 04:36:08 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] f2s In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1FD3FFC0-1C54-4972-84DE-C8DD783FF4CF@f2s.com> Ernie Ives Marquetarian and microscopist Hi Martin I had exactly that problem with F2S the other day and after not having outmail for 24 hours and finding that it worked on an old machine running Tiger, I remembered someone had mentioned unchecking ssl Mail>preferences>accounts>advanced There's a little box labeled ssl and I unchecked that and immediately had outgoing mail on the iMac with Snow Leopard Hope that cures it for you too. Don't ask me why it worked! Best wishes Ernie On 11 Jan 2010, at 22:40, Martin Fry wrote: > Hi all > > For some reason my outgoing mail has stopped outgoing! > > SMTP is "outmail.f2s.com > > Also, I am not sure what the port number (in advanced) should be > which was ( around 5oo ) as I changed it to 110 as per my laptop, and > forgot to write down the old number (twit!) > > My laptop sends & receives mail OK so it is something on my Macpro > that's at fault > > Before it went wrong I had changed nothing! > > Any ideas > > Martin > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk Tue Jan 12 09:04:52 2010 From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:04:52 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Problems syncing my Palm (Palm Tungsten) Message-ID: Hi, For some unknown reason my Palm handheld device has suddenly stopped synchronising data with the desktop. I have tried all the usual remedies such as disconnecting leads, restarting etc. It was fine the last time I synchronised on the 30th December. When I purchased the device (from and NMUG member), I downloaded software from The Missing Sync and it has been woking faultlessly for a number of years. I am sure it is only something minor that has changed or been altered in error - I am going away on Thursday for a few weeks and would be grateful for some assistance before then if possible, Many thanks, Ed From paul at durrant.co.uk Tue Jan 12 09:14:02 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:14:02 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Problems syncing my Palm (Palm Tungsten) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As a wild guess, could it possibly be a 2010 bug? Perhaps you should contact the Missing Sync people - you might need an update. regards, Paul On 12 Jan 2010, at 09:04, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: > For some unknown reason my Palm handheld device has suddenly > stopped synchronising data with the desktop. I have tried all the > usual remedies such as disconnecting leads, restarting etc. It was > fine the last time I synchronised on the 30th December. From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk Tue Jan 12 09:17:21 2010 From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:17:21 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Problems syncing my Palm (Palm Tungsten) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Paul. I had a similar thought - I'll give it a try. Ed On 12 Jan 2010, at 09:14, Paul Durrant wrote: > As a wild guess, could it possibly be a 2010 bug? Perhaps you should > contact the Missing Sync people - you might need an update. > > regards, > > Paul > > On 12 Jan 2010, at 09:04, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: >> For some unknown reason my Palm handheld device has suddenly >> stopped synchronising data with the desktop. I have tried all the >> usual remedies such as disconnecting leads, restarting etc. It was >> fine the last time I synchronised on the 30th December. > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Tue Jan 12 09:51:53 2010 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 09:51:53 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] f2s In-Reply-To: <1710ACDE-0C45-4CE5-8593-56DE2A4D85FD@durrant.co.uk> References: <523B70E7-CB70-45E4-8237-F8A9FB979A74@durrant.co.uk> <9E7A9120-DD04-42B5-BF32-35E221D80AAF@virgin.net> <1710ACDE-0C45-4CE5-8593-56DE2A4D85FD@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: hi Paul I can now send mail but have lost incoming mail! my servers: outmail.freedom2surf.net & smtp.virgin.net are working OK but 3 others are not working, including outmail.f2s.com I see Robbie is also having problems with f2s. Regards Martin > No, the changes take place immediately. > > What results do you get from Connection Doctor? (Window/Connection > Doctor) That should at least give some kind of error message to help > diagnose the problem. > > regards, > > Paul > > On 11 Jan 2010, at 22:49, Martin Fry wrote: > >> Tried both of those & still no go! >> >> Do I need to restart mail each time for changes to work? >> >> >>> For the outgoing port number you need 25 or 587 >>> >>> >>> On 11 Jan 2010, at 22:40, Martin Fry wrote: >>>> For some reason my outgoing mail has stopped outgoing! >>>> >>>> SMTP is "outmail.f2s.com >>>> >>>> Also, I am not sure what the port number (in advanced) should be >>>> which was ( around 5oo ) as I changed it to 110 as per my laptop, >>>> and >>>> forgot to write down the old number (twit!) >>>> >>>> My laptop sends & receives mail OK so it is something on my Macpro >>>> that's at fault >>>> >>>> Before it went wrong I had changed nothing! > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk Tue Jan 12 10:01:36 2010 From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:01:36 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Problems syncing my Palm (Palm Tungsten) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3398F7A0-1C30-40B5-B8C8-9888D21A7C38@mendelsohn.me.uk> Just looked for an upgrade. I need to contact Myssing Sync as I am not sure which software I need for my 5 year old Palm. Their technical support takes 3 to 4 days to answer, by which time we will be away on holiday for a month so I will wait until we get back in February before contacting them. Ed On 12 Jan 2010, at 09:17, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: > Thanks Paul. > > I had a similar thought - I'll give it a try. > > Ed > > On 12 Jan 2010, at 09:14, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> As a wild guess, could it possibly be a 2010 bug? Perhaps you should >> contact the Missing Sync people - you might need an update. >> >> regards, >> >> Paul >> >> On 12 Jan 2010, at 09:04, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: >>> For some unknown reason my Palm handheld device has suddenly >>> stopped synchronising data with the desktop. I have tried all the >>> usual remedies such as disconnecting leads, restarting etc. It was >>> fine the last time I synchronised on the 30th December. >> _______________________________________________ From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk Tue Jan 12 10:34:41 2010 From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:34:41 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] f2s In-Reply-To: References: <523B70E7-CB70-45E4-8237-F8A9FB979A74@durrant.co.uk> <9E7A9120-DD04-42B5-BF32-35E221D80AAF@virgin.net> <1710ACDE-0C45-4CE5-8593-56DE2A4D85FD@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Noticed all the comments re f2s - we were having problems yesterday and today in picking up mail - kept asking for a password - as it did this morning. Once I enter the password it is OK. Never done this before! Phyll On 12 Jan 2010, at 09:51, Martin Fry wrote: > hi Paul > > I can now send mail but have lost incoming mail! > > my servers: outmail.freedom2surf.net & smtp.virgin.net are working > OK but 3 others are not working, including outmail.f2s.com > > I see Robbie is also having problems with f2s. > > Regards > > Martin > > > >> No, the changes take place immediately. >> >> What results do you get from Connection Doctor? (Window/Connection >> Doctor) That should at least give some kind of error message to help >> diagnose the problem. >> >> regards, >> >> Paul >> >> On 11 Jan 2010, at 22:49, Martin Fry wrote: >> >>> Tried both of those & still no go! >>> >>> Do I need to restart mail each time for changes to work? >>> >>> >>>> For the outgoing port number you need 25 or 587 >>>> >>>> >>>> On 11 Jan 2010, at 22:40, Martin Fry wrote: >>>>> For some reason my outgoing mail has stopped outgoing! >>>>> >>>>> SMTP is "outmail.f2s.com >>>>> >>>>> Also, I am not sure what the port number (in advanced) should be >>>>> which was ( around 5oo ) as I changed it to 110 as per my laptop, >>>>> and >>>>> forgot to write down the old number (twit!) >>>>> >>>>> My laptop sends & receives mail OK so it is something on my Macpro >>>>> that's at fault >>>>> >>>>> Before it went wrong I had changed nothing! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ >> listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From paul at durrant.co.uk Tue Jan 12 10:45:07 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:45:07 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Problems syncing my Palm (Palm Tungsten) In-Reply-To: <3398F7A0-1C30-40B5-B8C8-9888D21A7C38@mendelsohn.me.uk> References: <3398F7A0-1C30-40B5-B8C8-9888D21A7C38@mendelsohn.me.uk> Message-ID: You almost certainly want this: http://www.markspace.com/products/palm/palm-sync-software.html a $29.95 upgrade. regards, Paul On 12 Jan 2010, at 10:01, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: > Just looked for an upgrade. I need to contact Myssing Sync as I am > not sure which software I need for my 5 year old Palm. Their > technical support takes 3 to 4 days to answer, by which time we will > be away on holiday for a month so I will wait until we get back in > February before contacting them. > > > On 12 Jan 2010, at 09:17, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: > >> I had a similar thought - I'll give it a try. >> >> >> On 12 Jan 2010, at 09:14, Paul Durrant wrote: >> >>> As a wild guess, could it possibly be a 2010 bug? Perhaps you should >>> contact the Missing Sync people - you might need an update. >>> >>> regards, >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> On 12 Jan 2010, at 09:04, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: >>>> For some unknown reason my Palm handheld device has suddenly >>>> stopped synchronising data with the desktop. I have tried all the >>>> usual remedies such as disconnecting leads, restarting etc. It was >>>> fine the last time I synchronised on the 30th December. From macman at f2s.com Tue Jan 12 11:55:26 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:55:26 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] f2s UPDATE In-Reply-To: References: <523B70E7-CB70-45E4-8237-F8A9FB979A74@durrant.co.uk> <9E7A9120-DD04-42B5-BF32-35E221D80AAF@virgin.net> <1710ACDE-0C45-4CE5-8593-56DE2A4D85FD@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <4B0839CF-225C-499D-84EE-D1B05B071A6C@f2s.com> Hi Martin In view of your latest email, this may or may not get to you, but in the hope that it does ..... I have just been talking to f2s, and after 20 minutes we have gone from "We have no known issues" to "We are aware that some customers are experiencing authentication problems, but it's not official" In the same period the story has also changed from "Nothing is any different" to "there may have been some changes made to the authentication procedure" The advice I was given was that for outgoing mail, delete all references to authentication, which may well solve your problem, but not, I'm afraid, mine if any of my colleagues with a different ISP try to do the same. You will, though, still need your settings for incoming mail, although authentication may not be necessary - what happens when you try to collect mail? Robbie On 12 Jan 2010, at 09:51, Martin Fry wrote: hi Paul I can now send mail but have lost incoming mail! my servers: outmail.freedom2surf.net & smtp.virgin.net are working OK but 3 others are not working, including outmail.f2s.com I see Robbie is also having problems with f2s. Regards Martin From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Tue Jan 12 12:43:52 2010 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:43:52 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] f2s UPDATE In-Reply-To: <4B0839CF-225C-499D-84EE-D1B05B071A6C@f2s.com> References: <523B70E7-CB70-45E4-8237-F8A9FB979A74@durrant.co.uk> <9E7A9120-DD04-42B5-BF32-35E221D80AAF@virgin.net> <1710ACDE-0C45-4CE5-8593-56DE2A4D85FD@durrant.co.uk> <4B0839CF-225C-499D-84EE-D1B05B071A6C@f2s.com> Message-ID: <192A6871-4699-46D2-AA3E-841B5864C5AC@virgin.net> Hi Robbie All my issues are sorted now and all working fine....Till the next time!!! hope you sort out yours soon Martin > > In view of your latest email, this may or may not get to you, but in > the hope that it does ..... > > I have just been talking to f2s, and after 20 minutes we have gone > from "We have no known issues" to "We are aware that some customers > are experiencing authentication problems, but it's not official" > > In the same period the story has also changed from "Nothing is any > different" to "there may have been some changes made to the > authentication procedure" > > The advice I was given was that for outgoing mail, delete all > references to authentication, which may well solve your problem, but > not, I'm afraid, mine if any of my colleagues with a different ISP try > to do the same. > > You will, though, still need your settings for incoming mail, although > authentication may not be necessary - what happens when you try to > collect mail? > > > > Robbie > > On 12 Jan 2010, at 09:51, Martin Fry wrote: > > hi Paul > > I can now send mail but have lost incoming mail! > > my servers: outmail.freedom2surf.net & smtp.virgin.net are working > OK but 3 others are not working, including outmail.f2s.com > > I see Robbie is also having problems with f2s. > > Regards > > Martin > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk Tue Jan 12 16:13:58 2010 From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:13:58 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Problems syncing my Palm (Palm Tungsten) In-Reply-To: References: <3398F7A0-1C30-40B5-B8C8-9888D21A7C38@mendelsohn.me.uk> Message-ID: <0B1D50E5-FB91-46F2-ABDC-D595EE33BBF2@mendelsohn.me.uk> Thanks Paul. I downloaded the upgrade - the Palm connects to the desk top but is not syncing the data - I followed all the instructions regarding deleting certain conduits etc. Still no luck. I have contacted their Tech support and hope they can help me. As it is I am leaving it all well alone till we get back at the end of Feb. Regards Ed On 12 Jan 2010, at 10:45, Paul Durrant wrote: > You almost certainly want this: > http://www.markspace.com/products/palm/palm-sync-software.html > > a $29.95 upgrade. > > regards, > > Paul > >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12 Jan 2010, at 09:04, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: >>>>> For some unknown reason my Palm handheld device has suddenly >>>>> stopped synchronising data with the desktop. I have tried all the >>>>> usual remedies such as disconnecting leads, restarting etc. It was >>>>> fine the last time I synchronised on the 30th December. > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From band1 at mac.com Tue Jan 12 17:34:37 2010 From: band1 at mac.com (David King) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 17:34:37 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iphoto library In-Reply-To: References: <7A6A4556-F7EB-4B1B-B27F-ABB124C1E96A@mac.com> <43ABC522-86CA-432F-81FA-96FC6C759B5D@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <08388332-E805-441A-8A93-3EF28325CDC1@mac.com> Paul I have just tried your first suggestion of copying the 09 iPhoto to the iMac but it wouldn't open. Is this because it needs to be installed from an installer? Prior to this as a first step I tried throwing away the iphoto preferences on the Macbook but that didn't work either. As it took 9 hours to get the iMac's library copied to the Macbook before we haven't yet done this a second time but seem to be heading that way now although it will still be the 08 library. We did try importing some pictures from a card onto the Macbook. We were able to see the pictures to choose which to import but after importing they don't show in the events panel or when events are double clicked. The resulting panel is empty but double click on that panel and each picture will appear as normal. As the second disc for the Macbook with the applications package was available we have reinstalled them incase there was corruption but that made no difference. We can recopy the 08 library again incase there is corruption on the original and then throw away the preferences to trick the Macbook as you suggested and get it to convert the library. Is this a good idea? If so is it better to do this wirelessly or should we connect the two computers by firewire or ethernet (through the router)? If all else fails would it be better to create a new empty library and reimport all the photos (there are 16000!) We presumably could get at the originals in the 08 library by opening the package and copying the folder to the Macbook as long as that is ok and import from there. Sorry there are so many questions but we know the pictures are there but don't really know what to do next/ best regards David On 11 Jan 2010, at 19:01, Paul Durrant wrote: > Hi David, > > How peculiar. In that case, there is another option. > > AFTER MAKING SURE YOU HAVE A FULL BACKUP OF THE iMAC > > Copy iPhoto '09 to the iMac and run it there. That will definitely > convert the Library to iPhoto '09 format. Copy that library to the > MacBook, and then restore the iPhoto '08 library from your backup. > > I can only think that there's some other preference on the MacBook > that tells iPhoto '09 it's not on its initial launch, and so it isn't > doing a proper conversion of the iPhoto '08 library format. > > Or as another option, try deleting all iPhoto '09 preference files > anywhere on the MacBook, and re-copy the library from the iMac, to get > the iPhoto '09 on the MacBook to think that it's a first run. > > NB I haven't tried any of these things myself - they're just what I'd > try in your situation. > > > regards, > > Paul > > On 11 Jan 2010, at 18:41, David King wrote: > >> Paul I have just returned from doing as you said and a most strange >> thing is happening. >> >> After taking out old library and putting in new I opened iPhoto. >> All the photo albums and slide shows are listed down left side as >> you would expect. >> >> 1. In 'events' the events are named but no pictures appear in the >> squares. >> >> 2. If I move the side bar down a picture appears in the events >> squares but disappears when I let go. >> >> 3. If I click on an event to bring up the photos in that event empty >> squares appear where the pictures should be. >> >> 4. If I double click on an empty square to open the picture that >> should be there the picture opens and is there as normal. >> >> So clearly all the pictures are there but why are they not showing >> in the events and pictures pane? Could the copy of the Library be >> corrupted in some way and therefore need a new copy? >> >> After this I subsequently also changed the name of the library to >> library2 to make iPhoto ask me to select the library and no >> difference as everything continued to appear as described. > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ken.hamer at stackyard.org Tue Jan 12 23:10:43 2010 From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer) Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:10:43 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Problems syncing my Palm (Palm Tungsten) In-Reply-To: <0B1D50E5-FB91-46F2-ABDC-D595EE33BBF2@mendelsohn.me.uk> References: <3398F7A0-1C30-40B5-B8C8-9888D21A7C38@mendelsohn.me.uk> <0B1D50E5-FB91-46F2-ABDC-D595EE33BBF2@mendelsohn.me.uk> Message-ID: <4B4D0173.1060509@stackyard.org> Ed, I don't know if this will help but sometimes, iSync on my Mini loses the ability to get information onto my Nokia 5800. It doesn't fail - it just doesn't transfer any information. There is a program which gives Sync Services a kick up the backside and gets things working again. If your Palm syncing software uses Sync Services, this might work for you. The program is: /System/Library/Frameworks/SyncServices.framework/Versions/A/Resources/resetsync.pl and the usage is: resetsync.pl full Apparently the "full" parameter makes the difference between the command working and not working. http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1627 is quite interesting. Good Luck. Ken Hamer On 12/01/2010 16:13, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: > Thanks Paul. I downloaded the upgrade - the Palm connects to the desk top but is not syncing the data - I followed all the instructions regarding deleting certain conduits etc. Still no luck. > > I have contacted their Tech support and hope they can help me. As it is I am leaving it all well alone till we get back at the end of Feb. > > Regards > > Ed > > On 12 Jan 2010, at 10:45, Paul Durrant wrote: > > >> You almost certainly want this: >> http://www.markspace.com/products/palm/palm-sync-software.html >> >> a $29.95 upgrade. >> >> regards, >> >> Paul >> >> >>>>> >>>>> On 12 Jan 2010, at 09:04, Ed& Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> For some unknown reason my Palm handheld device has suddenly >>>>>> stopped synchronising data with the desktop. I have tried all the >>>>>> usual remedies such as disconnecting leads, restarting etc. It was >>>>>> fine the last time I synchronised on the 30th December. >>>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From michelehurst at mac.com Wed Jan 13 12:06:32 2010 From: michelehurst at mac.com (Michele Hurst) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:06:32 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Tv catch up Message-ID: Hi My tv catch up on iPhone is playing up again. Was working fine on Monday but today puts up window saying movie could not be found. Anyone know if they have changed something like they did before? As I said before it was working perfectly on mon. Now it wants me to log in again which I haven't been having to so as stayed logged in. Any help please??? Could not find any new postings on google yet about it Thanks, Michele Sent from Michele's iPhone From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk Wed Jan 13 17:36:01 2010 From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:36:01 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Problems syncing my Palm (Palm Tungsten) In-Reply-To: <4B4D0173.1060509@stackyard.org> References: <3398F7A0-1C30-40B5-B8C8-9888D21A7C38@mendelsohn.me.uk> <0B1D50E5-FB91-46F2-ABDC-D595EE33BBF2@mendelsohn.me.uk> <4B4D0173.1060509@stackyard.org> Message-ID: Thanks Ken. As we are going away tomorrow for a long holiday - I will give this a go when we get back. I need to check to see if it works with MissingSync which is what I use. Regards Ed On 12 Jan 2010, at 23:10, Ken Hamer wrote: > Ed, > > I don't know if this will help but sometimes, iSync on my Mini loses the > ability to get information onto my Nokia 5800. It doesn't fail - it > just doesn't transfer any information. There is a program which gives > Sync Services a kick up the backside and gets things working again. If > your Palm syncing software uses Sync Services, this might work for you. > The program is: > > /System/Library/Frameworks/SyncServices.framework/Versions/A/Resources/resetsync.pl > > and the usage is: > > resetsync.pl full > > Apparently the "full" parameter makes the difference between the command > working and not working. > > http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1627 is quite interesting. > > Good Luck. > > Ken Hamer > From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Wed Jan 13 18:35:22 2010 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:35:22 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] IPod touch transfer. Message-ID: <6FBE6FB7-A3E4-40FC-8EBA-0947E619E550@virgin.net> Apologies. I have seen this subject discussed and forgotten how. My IPod touch contains my music collection. How do I get it back in to a new computer? Nathan From richardivers at mac.com Wed Jan 13 18:58:08 2010 From: richardivers at mac.com (Richard Ivers) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:58:08 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] IPod touch transfer. In-Reply-To: <6FBE6FB7-A3E4-40FC-8EBA-0947E619E550@virgin.net> References: <6FBE6FB7-A3E4-40FC-8EBA-0947E619E550@virgin.net> Message-ID: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1329 The link above might be helpful Regards Richard On 13 Jan 2010, at 18:35, Nathan Crosby wrote: > Apologies. I have seen this subject discussed and forgotten how. > My IPod touch contains my music collection. How do I get it > back in to a new computer? > > Nathan > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Wed Jan 13 19:07:56 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:07:56 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] IPod touch transfer. In-Reply-To: <6FBE6FB7-A3E4-40FC-8EBA-0947E619E550@virgin.net> References: <6FBE6FB7-A3E4-40FC-8EBA-0947E619E550@virgin.net> Message-ID: By sucking it in from the old one along with everything else you're transferring! Although there are several ripping programmes, it's by far the simplest method, and what Apple wants you to do. Afterwards you can sync your ipod with the new machine, but if the old one is moving on, then the ipod should be de-registered. Is that a problem? Robbie On 13 Jan 2010, at 18:35, Nathan Crosby wrote: Apologies. I have seen this subject discussed and forgotten how. My IPod touch contains my music collection. How do I get it back in to a new computer? Nathan _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From david at vanedwards.co.uk Wed Jan 13 19:11:20 2010 From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:11:20 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin slowness? Message-ID: Is anyone else on Virgin cable in Norwich having extreme slowness today? I'm getting download speeds of 0.30 mb/s and upload speeds of 0.49 Yet the Virgin status report pages says there are no "issues"! Best wishes, David -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk From ferrers_young at hotmail.com Wed Jan 13 19:32:39 2010 From: ferrers_young at hotmail.com (Ferrers Young) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:32:39 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin slowness? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Virgin over telephone line OK - download speeds of 4 mb/s and upload speeds of 0.7 Ferrers > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:11:20 +0000 > To: nmug at durrant.co.uk > From: david at vanedwards.co.uk > Subject: [NMUG] Virgin slowness? > > Is anyone else on Virgin cable in Norwich having extreme slowness today? > > > I'm getting download speeds of 0.30 mb/s and upload speeds of 0.49 > Yet the Virgin status report pages says there are no "issues"! > > Best wishes, > > David > -- > The Smokehouse, > 6 Whitwell Road, > Norwich, NR1 4HB > England. > > Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 > Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _________________________________________________________________ Send us your Hotmail stories and be featured in our newsletter http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ From macman at f2s.com Wed Jan 13 19:43:13 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:43:13 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin slowness? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Have you tried re-booting the modem David? Robbie Robbie Murray 01603 620749 01603 516175 07882 007667 macman at f2s.com On 13 Jan 2010, at 19:11, David Van Edwards wrote: Is anyone else on Virgin cable in Norwich having extreme slowness today? I'm getting download speeds of 0.30 mb/s and upload speeds of 0.49 Yet the Virgin status report pages says there are no "issues"! Best wishes, David -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From sc at davidviner.com Wed Jan 13 20:19:56 2010 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:19:56 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin slowness? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B4E2AEC.4060206@davidviner.com> Cable connection is fine here at the eastern end of Thorpe St Andrew - 9.78Mb/s down, 0.49Mb/s up (about normal for a 10M connection in the evening). David Ferrers Young wrote: > Virgin over telephone line OK - download speeds of 4 mb/s and upload speeds of 0.7 > > Ferrers > > >> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:11:20 +0000 >> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk >> From: david at vanedwards.co.uk >> Subject: [NMUG] Virgin slowness? >> >> Is anyone else on Virgin cable in Norwich having extreme slowness today? >> >> >> I'm getting download speeds of 0.30 mb/s and upload speeds of 0.49 >> Yet the Virgin status report pages says there are no "issues"! >> >> Best wishes, >> >> David >> -- >> The Smokehouse, >> 6 Whitwell Road, >> Norwich, NR1 4HB >> England. >> >> Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 >> Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send us your Hotmail stories and be featured in our newsletter > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Wed Jan 13 21:48:26 2010 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:48:26 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] IPod touch transfer. In-Reply-To: References: <6FBE6FB7-A3E4-40FC-8EBA-0947E619E550@virgin.net> Message-ID: I did use migration assistant robbie but I had some problems with it and panicked. Just had another look and it's all there! Nathan On 13 Jan 2010, at 19:07, Robbie Murray wrote: > By sucking it in from the old one along with everything else you're > transferring! > > Although there are several ripping programmes, it's by far the > simplest method, and what Apple wants you to do. > > Afterwards you can sync your ipod with the new machine, but if the old > one is moving on, then the ipod should be de-registered. > > Is that a problem? > > > Robbie > > On 13 Jan 2010, at 18:35, Nathan Crosby wrote: > > Apologies. I have seen this subject discussed and forgotten how. > My IPod touch contains my music collection. How do I get it > back in to a new computer? > > Nathan > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From phil.charnley at ntlworld.com Wed Jan 13 21:48:49 2010 From: phil.charnley at ntlworld.com (Phil Charnley) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:48:49 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Tv catch up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <823D8944-AB00-4A69-B22C-5BF718D85A01@ntlworld.com> It is working OK for me Michele, albeit I have recently had to sign up which I didn't have to do before. Plus, as you say, you now have to log in to watch. Phil On 13 Jan 2010, at 12:06, Michele Hurst wrote: > Hi > My tv catch up on iPhone is playing up again. Was working fine on > Monday but today puts up window saying movie could not be found. > Anyone know if they have changed something like they did before? As I > said before it was working perfectly on mon. Now it wants me to log in > again which I haven't been having to so as stayed logged in. Any help > please??? Could not find any new postings on google yet about it > From david at vanedwards.co.uk Wed Jan 13 21:50:03 2010 From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:50:03 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin slowness? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Robbie, Well I've just unplugged the router and modem for a few minutes and started up again and got 0.25mbps download and 0.49 upload, so worse! But maybe that's not what you mean by rebooting? Best wishes, David >Have you tried re-booting the modem David? > >Robbie > >Robbie Murray >01603 620749 >01603 516175 >07882 007667 >macman at f2s.com > >On 13 Jan 2010, at 19:11, David Van Edwards wrote: > >Is anyone else on Virgin cable in Norwich having extreme slowness today? > > >I'm getting download speeds of 0.30 mb/s and upload speeds of 0.49 >Yet the Virgin status report pages says there are no "issues"! > >Best wishes, > >David >-- >The Smokehouse, >6 Whitwell Road, >Norwich, NR1 4HB >England. > >Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 >Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk > > >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk From macman at f2s.com Wed Jan 13 22:08:25 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:08:25 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin slowness? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sadly, David, it's exactly what I meant! (and what I suspect Virgin TechSupport would suggest - they usually try to blame the customer) I'm afraid I have no experience of cable - with landlines there are several things to check such as filters, etc, but if it's not the signal, then perhaps the router is faulty, and I suppose the only way to find out would be to try with another known good one ..... Hopefully a cable user may have some suggestions ..... Robbie On 13 Jan 2010, at 21:50, David Van Edwards wrote: Dear Robbie, Well I've just unplugged the router and modem for a few minutes and started up again and got 0.25mbps download and 0.49 upload, so worse! But maybe that's not what you mean by rebooting? Best wishes, David > Have you tried re-booting the modem David? > > Robbie > > Robbie Murray > 01603 620749 > 01603 516175 > 07882 007667 > macman at f2s.com > > On 13 Jan 2010, at 19:11, David Van Edwards wrote: > > Is anyone else on Virgin cable in Norwich having extreme slowness > today? > > > I'm getting download speeds of 0.30 mb/s and upload speeds of 0.49 > Yet the Virgin status report pages says there are no "issues"! > > Best wishes, > > David > -- > The Smokehouse, > 6 Whitwell Road, > Norwich, NR1 4HB > England. > > Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 > Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mghc.repps at virgin.net Wed Jan 13 22:08:36 2010 From: mghc.repps at virgin.net (Michael Crook) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:08:36 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin slowness? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You should be so lucky! Virgin over the telephone line typically download speeds of 940 Kbps and upload speeds of 320 Kbps. I'm increasingly getting periods of no internet connection at all - last Sunday for 12 hours. My telephone contract is with the Post Office. Has anyone got any experience of them as an ISP? - Michael. 13.01.10. On 13 Jan 2010, at 19:32, Ferrers Young wrote: > > Virgin over telephone line OK - download speeds of 4 mb/s and upload > speeds of 0.7 > > Ferrers > >> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:11:20 +0000 >> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk >> From: david at vanedwards.co.uk >> Subject: [NMUG] Virgin slowness? >> >> Is anyone else on Virgin cable in Norwich having extreme slowness >> today? >> >> >> I'm getting download speeds of 0.30 mb/s and upload speeds of 0.49 >> Yet the Virgin status report pages says there are no "issues"! >> >> Best wishes, >> >> David >> -- >> The Smokehouse, >> 6 Whitwell Road, >> Norwich, NR1 4HB >> England. >> >> Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 >> Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send us your Hotmail stories and be featured in our newsletter > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com Wed Jan 13 22:31:04 2010 From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:31:04 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin slowness? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I'm a ntlworld customer (cable) and everything seems fine, can you tell me how to check my seed for you (NR1 4LE) thorpe Kerin On 13 Jan 2010, at 22:08, Michael Crook wrote: > You should be so lucky! > > Virgin over the telephone line typically download speeds of 940 Kbps > and upload speeds of 320 Kbps. > I'm increasingly getting periods of no internet connection at all - > last Sunday for 12 hours. > > My telephone contract is with the Post Office. Has anyone got any > experience of them as an ISP? > > - Michael. > 13.01.10. > > > On 13 Jan 2010, at 19:32, Ferrers Young wrote: > >> >> Virgin over telephone line OK - download speeds of 4 mb/s and upload >> speeds of 0.7 >> >> Ferrers >> >>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:11:20 +0000 >>> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk >>> From: david at vanedwards.co.uk >>> Subject: [NMUG] Virgin slowness? >>> >>> Is anyone else on Virgin cable in Norwich having extreme slowness >>> today? >>> >>> >>> I'm getting download speeds of 0.30 mb/s and upload speeds of 0.49 >>> Yet the Virgin status report pages says there are no "issues"! >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> David >>> -- >>> The Smokehouse, >>> 6 Whitwell Road, >>> Norwich, NR1 4HB >>> England. >>> >>> Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 >>> Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Send us your Hotmail stories and be featured in our newsletter >> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From david.maskell at ntlworld.com Wed Jan 13 23:05:36 2010 From: david.maskell at ntlworld.com (David Maskell) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:05:36 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin slowness? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2A0B1269-42D3-4776-8670-124E322061EC@ntlworld.com> All OK here, Ntlworld/Virgin customer... NR3 City Centre... Download@ 9.8Mbps, Upload .5Mbps So all OK here, couple of E-Mail Dropouts but only for 5 mins www.speedtest.net I find is the best place to check your speed... David Maskell On 13 Jan 2010, at 22:31, Kerin Westgate wrote: > Hi, I'm a ntlworld customer (cable) and everything seems fine, can > you tell me how to check my seed for you (NR1 4LE) thorpe > > Kerin > > > > On 13 Jan 2010, at 22:08, Michael Crook wrote: > >> You should be so lucky! >> >> Virgin over the telephone line typically download speeds of 940 Kbps >> and upload speeds of 320 Kbps. >> I'm increasingly getting periods of no internet connection at all - >> last Sunday for 12 hours. >> >> My telephone contract is with the Post Office. Has anyone got any >> experience of them as an ISP? >> >> - Michael. >> 13.01.10. >> >> >> On 13 Jan 2010, at 19:32, Ferrers Young wrote: >> >>> >>> Virgin over telephone line OK - download speeds of 4 mb/s and upload >>> speeds of 0.7 >>> >>> Ferrers >>> >>>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:11:20 +0000 >>>> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk >>>> From: david at vanedwards.co.uk >>>> Subject: [NMUG] Virgin slowness? >>>> >>>> Is anyone else on Virgin cable in Norwich having extreme slowness >>>> today? >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm getting download speeds of 0.30 mb/s and upload speeds of 0.49 >>>> Yet the Virgin status report pages says there are no "issues"! >>>> >>>> Best wishes, >>>> >>>> David >>>> -- >>>> The Smokehouse, >>>> 6 Whitwell Road, >>>> Norwich, NR1 4HB >>>> England. >>>> >>>> Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 >>>> Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Send us your Hotmail stories and be featured in our newsletter >>> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com Wed Jan 13 23:29:17 2010 From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 23:29:17 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin slowness? In-Reply-To: <2A0B1269-42D3-4776-8670-124E322061EC@ntlworld.com> References: <2A0B1269-42D3-4776-8670-124E322061EC@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <1C2B7A4A-8D98-4DF4-B67A-4DD9EB79B75A@ntlworld.com> according to that site download is 16.41 and upload is 0.41 hope that helps Kerin On 13 Jan 2010, at 23:05, David Maskell wrote: > All OK here, Ntlworld/Virgin customer... > NR3 City Centre... Download@ 9.8Mbps, Upload .5Mbps > So all OK here, couple of E-Mail Dropouts but only for 5 mins > > www.speedtest.net I find is the best place to check your speed... > > David Maskell > On 13 Jan 2010, at 22:31, Kerin Westgate wrote: > >> Hi, I'm a ntlworld customer (cable) and everything seems fine, can >> you tell me how to check my seed for you (NR1 4LE) thorpe >> >> Kerin >> >> >> >> On 13 Jan 2010, at 22:08, Michael Crook wrote: >> >>> You should be so lucky! >>> >>> Virgin over the telephone line typically download speeds of 940 Kbps >>> and upload speeds of 320 Kbps. >>> I'm increasingly getting periods of no internet connection at all - >>> last Sunday for 12 hours. >>> >>> My telephone contract is with the Post Office. Has anyone got any >>> experience of them as an ISP? >>> >>> - Michael. >>> 13.01.10. >>> >>> >>> On 13 Jan 2010, at 19:32, Ferrers Young wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Virgin over telephone line OK - download speeds of 4 mb/s and upload >>>> speeds of 0.7 >>>> >>>> Ferrers >>>> >>>>> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 19:11:20 +0000 >>>>> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk >>>>> From: david at vanedwards.co.uk >>>>> Subject: [NMUG] Virgin slowness? >>>>> >>>>> Is anyone else on Virgin cable in Norwich having extreme slowness >>>>> today? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm getting download speeds of 0.30 mb/s and upload speeds of 0.49 >>>>> Yet the Virgin status report pages says there are no "issues"! >>>>> >>>>> Best wishes, >>>>> >>>>> David >>>>> -- >>>>> The Smokehouse, >>>>> 6 Whitwell Road, >>>>> Norwich, NR1 4HB >>>>> England. >>>>> >>>>> Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 >>>>> Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Send us your Hotmail stories and be featured in our newsletter >>>> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From invite+zrdohog=cdif at facebookmail.com Thu Jan 14 00:18:58 2010 From: invite+zrdohog=cdif at facebookmail.com (William Jeffrey Hurst) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:18:58 -0800 Subject: [NMUG] Check out my photos on Facebook Message-ID: I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and events and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. 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From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Thu Jan 14 10:22:07 2010 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:22:07 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] BBC iPlayer Message-ID: Hello, Does anyone know (or can think of a reason) why some programes are listed but 'are not currently available'? Ken Arnoldi From david at vanedwards.co.uk Wed Jan 13 22:11:52 2010 From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards) Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 22:11:52 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin slowness? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Robbie! I'll try again tomorrow and then maybe ring Virgin...........! Best wishes, David >Sadly, David, it's exactly what I meant! (and what I suspect Virgin >TechSupport would suggest - they usually try to blame the customer) > >I'm afraid I have no experience of cable - with landlines there are >several things to check such as filters, etc, but if it's not the >signal, then perhaps the router is faulty, and I suppose the only way >to find out would be to try with another known good one ..... > >Hopefully a cable user may have some suggestions ..... > > >Robbie > >On 13 Jan 2010, at 21:50, David Van Edwards wrote: > >Dear Robbie, > >Well I've just unplugged the router and modem for a few minutes and >started up again and got 0.25mbps download and 0.49 upload, so worse! > >But maybe that's not what you mean by rebooting? > >Best wishes, > > >David > > >> Have you tried re-booting the modem David? >> >> Robbie >> >> Robbie Murray >> 01603 620749 >> 01603 516175 >> 07882 007667 >> macman at f2s.com >> >> On 13 Jan 2010, at 19:11, David Van Edwards wrote: >> >> Is anyone else on Virgin cable in Norwich having extreme slowness >> today? >> >> >> I'm getting download speeds of 0.30 mb/s and upload speeds of 0.49 >> Yet the Virgin status report pages says there are no "issues"! >> >> Best wishes, >> >> David >> -- >> The Smokehouse, >> 6 Whitwell Road, >> Norwich, NR1 4HB >> England. >> >> Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 >> Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: >>http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: >>http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > >-- >The Smokehouse, >6 Whitwell Road, >Norwich, NR1 4HB >England. > >Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 >Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk > >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk From alanbarber at mac.com Thu Jan 14 12:33:06 2010 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:33:06 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] broadband speed Message-ID: <76B493C7-7394-4BDB-B23F-1BB43283844D@mac.com> I'm on cable with virgin and I have just done a check. 3288 download 462 upload. Is that good or bad. I think I am paying for 10mb Regards Alan From ricnev at mac.com Thu Jan 14 12:43:56 2010 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:43:56 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] broadband speed In-Reply-To: <76B493C7-7394-4BDB-B23F-1BB43283844D@mac.com> References: <76B493C7-7394-4BDB-B23F-1BB43283844D@mac.com> Message-ID: 3288 whats? 3288 thingamagigs per second is faster than 3288 whatchamacallits per second. So 3288 is both good and bad. As is 462. And 10mb is a very small bit of digital information which has no speed. 10 Mb, however, is a lot bigger, but still has no speed. (Sorry, feeling capricious today). On 14 Jan 2010, at 12:33, Alan Barber wrote: > I'm on cable with virgin and I have just done a check. > 3288 download > 462 upload. > Is that good or bad. > I think I am paying for 10mb > Regards > > Alan > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From sc at davidviner.com Thu Jan 14 13:17:02 2010 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:17:02 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] broadband speed In-Reply-To: <76B493C7-7394-4BDB-B23F-1BB43283844D@mac.com> References: <76B493C7-7394-4BDB-B23F-1BB43283844D@mac.com> Message-ID: <4B4F194E.1090708@davidviner.com> Alan > I'm on cable with virgin and I have just done a check. > 3288 download > 462 upload. > Is that good or bad. > I think I am paying for 10mb > It also depends on which speed test site you used and the distance (number of hops) between you and their server. I'm on a 10Mb cable connection (in Thorpe St Andrew) and have just got the following results: http://www.speedtest.net Ashford server 9.87 Mb/s down 0.49 Mb/s up Sittingbourne server 9.51 Mb/s down 0.49 Mb/s up Milton Keynes server 9.93 Mb/s down 0.49 Mb/s up http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest.html 8924.37 Kb/s down 480.57 Kb/s up http://www.mybroadbandspeed.co.uk/ 9912 Kb/s down 493 Kb/s up http://www.speed.io/index_en.html 9369 Kb/s down 509 Kb/s up As you can see these are all quite consistent, though I did try a McAfee one that I think is in the US and that decided I had a "more than 2Mb/s connection" but was no more specific than that! Which speed test site did you use? I will also test against that to see the results. David From macman at f2s.com Thu Jan 14 13:28:20 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:28:20 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] BBC iPlayer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've wondered too, Ken - very frustrating! Perhaps they haven't finished showing them as repeats, but then why list them? Or it just a plot to confuse those of us who are getting on a bit - at least we'll now have the option to have the ?250,00 Norfolk Constabulary website to listen to instead ...... I think some of our members could have saved them a few bob! Robbie On 14 Jan 2010, at 10:22, Ken Arnoldi wrote: Hello, Does anyone know (or can think of a reason) why some programes are listed but 'are not currently available'? Ken Arnoldi _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com Thu Jan 14 13:32:34 2010 From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:32:34 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] BBC iPlayer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <75F10D8C-C3B8-42EB-A8F0-5F965DDD9082@gmail.com> I experienced the same problem yesterday evening, I eventually resolved it by first uninstalling iPlayer grabber then re-installing it. After that it worked ok Richard rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com On 14 Jan 2010, at 13:28, Robbie Murray wrote: Does anyone know (or can think of a reason) why some programes are listed but 'are not currently available'? From david at vanedwards.co.uk Thu Jan 14 13:35:11 2010 From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:35:11 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] broadband speed In-Reply-To: <4B4F194E.1090708@davidviner.com> References: <76B493C7-7394-4BDB-B23F-1BB43283844D@mac.com> <4B4F194E.1090708@davidviner.com> Message-ID: Dear Robbie and David, Yes, clearly you and the other Thorpe people are all getting the sort of rates that I used to get until a couple of days ago, so it probably is some problem with my end rather than a virgin/ntl problem. Though an IT friend has just suggested that the DHCP system might have assigned someone else to the same IP address and so we might be getting contention issues from virgin rather than hardware issues of our own. Our rates of 0.29 Mbps download seem bizarrely poor compared to the upload rates of 0.49 Mbps which seem in line with your normal rates. We'll try actually disconnecting the virgin modem from the cable and then rebooting and then if that doesn't work we'll bite the bullet and try to phone the notorious virgin helpdesk. I'll report back Best wishes, David >Alan >> I'm on cable with virgin and I have just done a check. >> 3288 download >> 462 upload. >> Is that good or bad. >> I think I am paying for 10mb >> > >It also depends on which speed test site you used and the distance >(number of hops) between you and their server. I'm on a 10Mb cable >connection (in Thorpe St Andrew) and have just got the following results: > > http://www.speedtest.net > Ashford server > 9.87 Mb/s down > 0.49 Mb/s up > > Sittingbourne server > 9.51 Mb/s down > 0.49 Mb/s up > > Milton Keynes server > 9.93 Mb/s down > 0.49 Mb/s up > > http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest.html > 8924.37 Kb/s down > 480.57 Kb/s up > > http://www.mybroadbandspeed.co.uk/ > 9912 Kb/s down > 493 Kb/s up > > http://www.speed.io/index_en.html > 9369 Kb/s down > 509 Kb/s up > >As you can see these are all quite consistent, though I did try a McAfee >one that I think is in the US and that decided I had a "more than 2Mb/s >connection" but was no more specific than that! > >Which speed test site did you use? I will also test against that to see >the results. > >David > > >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk From macman at f2s.com Thu Jan 14 13:38:35 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:38:35 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin slowness? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just spoke to a friend in the city who are on Virgin cable (Earlham Road beyond the Ring Road, so probably a different exchange), and they have no problem ... Robbie On 13 Jan 2010, at 22:11, David Van Edwards wrote: Thanks Robbie! I'll try again tomorrow and then maybe ring Virgin...........! Best wishes, David > Sadly, David, it's exactly what I meant! (and what I suspect Virgin > TechSupport would suggest - they usually try to blame the customer) > > I'm afraid I have no experience of cable - with landlines there are > several things to check such as filters, etc, but if it's not the > signal, then perhaps the router is faulty, and I suppose the only way > to find out would be to try with another known good one ..... > > Hopefully a cable user may have some suggestions ..... > > > Robbie > > On 13 Jan 2010, at 21:50, David Van Edwards wrote: > > Dear Robbie, > > Well I've just unplugged the router and modem for a few minutes and > started up again and got 0.25mbps download and 0.49 upload, so worse! > > But maybe that's not what you mean by rebooting? > > Best wishes, > > > David > > >> Have you tried re-booting the modem David? >> >> Robbie >> >> Robbie Murray >> 01603 620749 >> 01603 516175 >> 07882 007667 >> macman at f2s.com >> >> On 13 Jan 2010, at 19:11, David Van Edwards wrote: >> >> Is anyone else on Virgin cable in Norwich having extreme slowness >> today? >> >> >> I'm getting download speeds of 0.30 mb/s and upload speeds of 0.49 >> Yet the Virgin status report pages says there are no "issues"! >> >> Best wishes, >> >> David >> -- >> The Smokehouse, >> 6 Whitwell Road, >> Norwich, NR1 4HB >> England. >> >> Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 >> Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > -- > The Smokehouse, > 6 Whitwell Road, > Norwich, NR1 4HB > England. > > Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 > Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From david at vanedwards.co.uk Thu Jan 14 15:13:48 2010 From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:13:48 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin slowness? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Robbie et al, Bingo! I unplugged everything and then [I suspect crucially] unscrewed the cable from the modem and then screwed and replugged everything extra firmly. And now I'm getting a respectable 5.91 Mbps down and 0.49 up. Phew! And thanks to all who compared notes for the local area. It did mean that I didn't immediately blame virgin entirely in speite of my paranoia and suspicions! Best wishes, David >I just spoke to a friend in the city who are on Virgin cable (Earlham >Road beyond the Ring Road, so probably a different exchange), and they >have no problem ... > > >Robbie > >On 13 Jan 2010, at 22:11, David Van Edwards wrote: > >Thanks Robbie! I'll try again tomorrow and then maybe ring >Virgin...........! > >Best wishes, > >David > > > > >> Sadly, David, it's exactly what I meant! (and what I suspect Virgin >> TechSupport would suggest - they usually try to blame the customer) >> >> I'm afraid I have no experience of cable - with landlines there are >> several things to check such as filters, etc, but if it's not the >> signal, then perhaps the router is faulty, and I suppose the only way >> to find out would be to try with another known good one ..... >> >> Hopefully a cable user may have some suggestions ..... >> >> >> Robbie >> >> On 13 Jan 2010, at 21:50, David Van Edwards wrote: >> >> Dear Robbie, >> >> Well I've just unplugged the router and modem for a few minutes and >> started up again and got 0.25mbps download and 0.49 upload, so worse! >> >> But maybe that's not what you mean by rebooting? >> >> Best wishes, >> >> >> David >> >> >>> Have you tried re-booting the modem David? >>> >>> Robbie >>> >>> Robbie Murray >>> 01603 620749 >>> 01603 516175 >>> 07882 007667 >>> macman at f2s.com >>> >>> On 13 Jan 2010, at 19:11, David Van Edwards wrote: >>> >>> Is anyone else on Virgin cable in Norwich having extreme slowness >>> today? >>> >>> >>> I'm getting download speeds of 0.30 mb/s and upload speeds of 0.49 >>> Yet the Virgin status report pages says there are no "issues"! >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> David >>> -- >>> The Smokehouse, >>> 6 Whitwell Road, >>> Norwich, NR1 4HB >>> England. >>> >>> Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 >>> Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: >>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: >>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> >> -- >> The Smokehouse, >> 6 Whitwell Road, >> Norwich, NR1 4HB >> England. >> >> Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 >> Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: >>http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: >>http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > >-- >The Smokehouse, >6 Whitwell Road, >Norwich, NR1 4HB >England. > >Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 >Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk > >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk From sc at davidviner.com Thu Jan 14 15:42:32 2010 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:42:32 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin slowness? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B4F3B68.1060702@davidviner.com> David That's worth remembering! My cable modem has been in place since 2003 and I expect the plug connection contacts may occasionally tarnish and cause a drop in speed as packets are occasionally corrupted. David > Dear Robbie et al, > > Bingo! I unplugged everything and then [I suspect crucially] > unscrewed the cable from the modem and then screwed and replugged > everything extra firmly. And now I'm getting a respectable 5.91 Mbps > down and 0.49 up. > > Phew! > > And thanks to all who compared notes for the local area. It did mean > that I didn't immediately blame virgin entirely in speite of my > paranoia and suspicions! > > Best wishes, > > David > > > >> I just spoke to a friend in the city who are on Virgin cable (Earlham >> Road beyond the Ring Road, so probably a different exchange), and they >> have no problem ... >> >> >> Robbie >> >> On 13 Jan 2010, at 22:11, David Van Edwards wrote: >> >> Thanks Robbie! I'll try again tomorrow and then maybe ring >> Virgin...........! >> >> Best wishes, >> >> David >> >> >> >> >> >>> Sadly, David, it's exactly what I meant! (and what I suspect Virgin >>> TechSupport would suggest - they usually try to blame the customer) >>> >>> I'm afraid I have no experience of cable - with landlines there are >>> several things to check such as filters, etc, but if it's not the >>> signal, then perhaps the router is faulty, and I suppose the only way >>> to find out would be to try with another known good one ..... >>> >>> Hopefully a cable user may have some suggestions ..... >>> >>> >>> Robbie >>> >>> On 13 Jan 2010, at 21:50, David Van Edwards wrote: >>> >>> Dear Robbie, >>> >>> Well I've just unplugged the router and modem for a few minutes and >>> started up again and got 0.25mbps download and 0.49 upload, so worse! >>> >>> But maybe that's not what you mean by rebooting? >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> >>> David >>> >>> >>> >>>> Have you tried re-booting the modem David? >>>> >>>> Robbie >>>> >>>> Robbie Murray >>>> 01603 620749 >>>> 01603 516175 >>>> 07882 007667 >>>> macman at f2s.com >>>> >>>> On 13 Jan 2010, at 19:11, David Van Edwards wrote: >>>> >>>> Is anyone else on Virgin cable in Norwich having extreme slowness >>>> today? >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm getting download speeds of 0.30 mb/s and upload speeds of 0.49 >>>> Yet the Virgin status report pages says there are no "issues"! >>>> >>>> Best wishes, >>>> >>>> David >>>> -- >>>> The Smokehouse, >>>> 6 Whitwell Road, >>>> Norwich, NR1 4HB >>>> England. >>>> >>>> Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 >>>> Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>>> Manage your subscription at: >>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>>> Manage your subscription at: >>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>>> >>> -- >>> The Smokehouse, >>> 6 Whitwell Road, >>> Norwich, NR1 4HB >>> England. >>> >>> Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 >>> Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: >>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: >>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >> -- >> The Smokehouse, >> 6 Whitwell Road, >> Norwich, NR1 4HB >> England. >> >> Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 >> Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > > From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com Thu Jan 14 20:42:18 2010 From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:42:18 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Time Machine Message-ID: <15AE087D-E2C7-49D8-8A97-1835623A534F@ntlworld.com> Hi, can anyone help, I have a 500gb Time Machine and over the last few week about every 3 days my Macbook tries to back 21.49gb which I left to run Monday nite and it took 3 1/4 hrs, I could not understand why it wanted back up that much as I had not make any changes ie added music, photo's or new app, well tonite it's now trying to back the same amount again. Any ideas Regards Kerin ps I have temporally turned it of From ricnev at mac.com Thu Jan 14 21:08:17 2010 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:08:17 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Time Machine In-Reply-To: <15AE087D-E2C7-49D8-8A97-1835623A534F@ntlworld.com> References: <15AE087D-E2C7-49D8-8A97-1835623A534F@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <4D403068-8249-4D9C-96C4-DA470989946C@mac.com> Are you running a virtual machine on your MacBook? On 14 Jan 2010, at 20:42, Kerin Westgate wrote: > Hi, > > can anyone help, I have a 500gb Time Machine and over the last few week about every 3 days my Macbook tries to back 21.49gb which I left to run Monday nite and it took 3 1/4 hrs, I could not understand why it wanted back up that much as I had not make any changes ie added music, photo's or new app, well tonite it's now trying to back the same amount again. > > Any ideas > > Regards > Kerin > > ps I have temporally turned it of > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com Thu Jan 14 21:15:18 2010 From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:15:18 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Time Machine In-Reply-To: <4D403068-8249-4D9C-96C4-DA470989946C@mac.com> References: <15AE087D-E2C7-49D8-8A97-1835623A534F@ntlworld.com> <4D403068-8249-4D9C-96C4-DA470989946C@mac.com> Message-ID: yes have been trying out VirtalBox and XP had some updates, OK thanx. Dam Windows lol On 14 Jan 2010, at 21:08, Richard Nevill wrote: > Are you running a virtual machine on your MacBook? > > > On 14 Jan 2010, at 20:42, Kerin Westgate wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> can anyone help, I have a 500gb Time Machine and over the last few week about every 3 days my Macbook tries to back 21.49gb which I left to run Monday nite and it took 3 1/4 hrs, I could not understand why it wanted back up that much as I had not make any changes ie added music, photo's or new app, well tonite it's now trying to back the same amount again. >> >> Any ideas >> >> Regards >> Kerin >> >> ps I have temporally turned it of >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > Richard Nevill > ricnev at mac.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com Thu Jan 14 22:34:31 2010 From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate) Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:34:31 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Time Machine In-Reply-To: <4D403068-8249-4D9C-96C4-DA470989946C@mac.com> References: <15AE087D-E2C7-49D8-8A97-1835623A534F@ntlworld.com> <4D403068-8249-4D9C-96C4-DA470989946C@mac.com> Message-ID: <531762D7-B04B-493F-B7FA-CEF2F912577C@ntlworld.com> Thanx for that, I have now excluded the User ~ VirtaulBox and seem to be back to normal backups Kerin On 14 Jan 2010, at 21:08, Richard Nevill wrote: > Are you running a virtual machine on your MacBook? > > > On 14 Jan 2010, at 20:42, Kerin Westgate wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> can anyone help, I have a 500gb Time Machine and over the last few week about every 3 days my Macbook tries to back 21.49gb which I left to run Monday nite and it took 3 1/4 hrs, I could not understand why it wanted back up that much as I had not make any changes ie added music, photo's or new app, well tonite it's now trying to back the same amount again. >> >> Any ideas >> >> Regards >> Kerin >> >> ps I have temporally turned it of >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > Richard Nevill > ricnev at mac.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Fri Jan 15 19:25:13 2010 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:25:13 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] PowerBook 3400 Message-ID: Hello, I've just been given an ancient Powerbook. I get the startup chime and after about 15 seconds a 'breaking glass' sound. Then nothing except a faint hissing sound indicating that the speakers are OK. Any ideas, please? Ken Arnoldi From macman at f2s.com Fri Jan 15 19:45:03 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:45:03 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] PowerBook 3400 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2BAE4991-77CD-405C-ACCC-5205B6C6109E@f2s.com> Have you tried repeating the boot Ken? There used to be an alert sound which was of breaking glass, and some naughty people used it just to frighten those not in on the joke! No matter how ancient it is, I think it's unlikely to be valve ........ Robbie On 15 Jan 2010, at 19:25, Ken Arnoldi wrote: Hello, I've just been given an ancient Powerbook. I get the startup chime and after about 15 seconds a 'breaking glass' sound. Then nothing except a faint hissing sound indicating that the speakers are OK. Any ideas, please? Ken Arnoldi _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Fri Jan 15 19:59:27 2010 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:59:27 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] PowerBook 3400 In-Reply-To: <2BAE4991-77CD-405C-ACCC-5205B6C6109E@f2s.com> References: <2BAE4991-77CD-405C-ACCC-5205B6C6109E@f2s.com> Message-ID: Thanks Robbie, I will try that- although it might be the accumulator! On 15 Jan 2010, at 07:45 PM, Robbie Murray wrote: > Have you tried repeating the boot Ken? > There used to be an alert sound which was of breaking glass, and some > naughty people used it just to frighten those not in on the joke! > > No matter how ancient it is, I think it's unlikely to be > valve ........ > > Robbie > > > On 15 Jan 2010, at 19:25, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > > > Hello, > > I've just been given an ancient Powerbook. I get the startup chime and > after about 15 seconds a 'breaking glass' sound. Then nothing except a > faint hissing sound indicating that the speakers are OK. > Any ideas, please? > > Ken Arnoldi > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From tom at tomkershaw.com Fri Jan 15 20:38:17 2010 From: tom at tomkershaw.com (Tom Kershaw) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:38:17 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] PowerBook 3400 In-Reply-To: References: <2BAE4991-77CD-405C-ACCC-5205B6C6109E@f2s.com> Message-ID: <4B50D239.8040905@tomkershaw.com> Where is Simon Royal? Tom Ken Arnoldi wrote: > Thanks Robbie, > I will try that- although it might be the accumulator! > > > > On 15 Jan 2010, at 07:45 PM, Robbie Murray wrote: > > >> Have you tried repeating the boot Ken? >> There used to be an alert sound which was of breaking glass, and some >> naughty people used it just to frighten those not in on the joke! >> >> No matter how ancient it is, I think it's unlikely to be >> valve ........ >> >> Robbie >> >> >> On 15 Jan 2010, at 19:25, Ken Arnoldi wrote: >> >> >> Hello, >> >> I've just been given an ancient Powerbook. I get the startup chime and >> after about 15 seconds a 'breaking glass' sound. Then nothing except a >> faint hissing sound indicating that the speakers are OK. >> Any ideas, please? >> >> Ken Arnoldi >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From paul at durrant.co.uk Fri Jan 15 21:45:22 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:45:22 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] PowerBook 3400 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83E6E64E-B3BE-446A-9E6C-53D1A02B5E75@durrant.co.uk> This is one of the sounds made during the power-on tests http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=51579&coll=ap It sounds to me like the hard disk my be dead. Do you have a floppy you can try booting from? regards, Paul On 15 Jan 2010, at 19:25, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > I've just been given an ancient Powerbook. I get the startup chime and > after about 15 seconds a 'breaking glass' sound. Then nothing except a > faint hissing sound indicating that the speakers are OK. > Any ideas, please? From paul at durrant.co.uk Fri Jan 15 21:46:54 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:46:54 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] PowerBook 3400 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78E3C09C-2411-476B-B02F-CC1955E2D7E8@durrant.co.uk> Oh - and here's an article from TidBITS, from when the PowerBook 3400 was the latest and greatest: http://db.tidbits.com/article/702 regards, Paul On 15 Jan 2010, at 19:25, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > I've just been given an ancient Powerbook. From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Fri Jan 15 22:15:42 2010 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:15:42 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] PowerBook 3400 In-Reply-To: <78E3C09C-2411-476B-B02F-CC1955E2D7E8@durrant.co.uk> References: <78E3C09C-2411-476B-B02F-CC1955E2D7E8@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Thanks for response. There is no floppy drive, it has the optional CD Rom instead. I tried booting from that using a CD with OS 9.1 which is I believe the latest OS it can handle, but to no avail. Trouble is I don't know what OS is already installed. Would it matter if I tried an earlier OS, say, OS 8.6? Ken Arnoldi On 15 Jan 2010, at 09:46 PM, Paul Durrant wrote: > Oh - and here's an article from TidBITS, from when the PowerBook 3400 > was the latest and greatest: > > http://db.tidbits.com/article/702 > > regards, > > Paul > > On 15 Jan 2010, at 19:25, Ken Arnoldi wrote: >> I've just been given an ancient Powerbook. > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Fri Jan 15 22:44:26 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:44:26 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] PowerBook 3400 In-Reply-To: References: <78E3C09C-2411-476B-B02F-CC1955E2D7E8@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <2DA550A3-783C-46BD-BC7E-C4DB57685546@durrant.co.uk> It makes no difference what OS is on the internal hard disk to booting off the CD-ROM. How are you trying to get it to boot off the CD-ROM? There are two ways I know of: 1. hold down the C key while booting. This should make it try to boot off the CD-ROM drive 2. hold down command-option-shift-delete while booting. This should make it ignore the internal drive and boot of anything else it can find, i.e. the CD-ROM drive. Option 2 might work where 1 doesn't, if there's some corrruption on the internal drive that's upsetting the boot process. regards, Paul On 15 Jan 2010, at 22:15, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > Thanks for response. > There is no floppy drive, it has the optional CD Rom instead. I tried > booting from that using a CD with OS 9.1 which is I believe the latest > OS it can handle, but to no avail. Trouble is I don't know what OS is > already installed. Would it matter if I tried an earlier OS, say, OS > 8.6? From david at vanedwards.co.uk Sat Jan 16 16:05:55 2010 From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 16:05:55 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Faxes? Message-ID: Dear All, Is there a way to send and receive faxes using the computer and the Virgin cable modem rather than a fax machine on the telephone line? I'm with Virgin for both telephone and cable broadband. Best wishes, DAvid -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk From macman at f2s.com Sat Jan 16 16:42:01 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 16:42:01 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Faxes? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0EBEABE4-976C-475C-8E30-F9C9CD9BAF3B@f2s.com> You would expect it to be simple, David, but unfortunately the 2 technologies (ADSL and Dial-up) are so dis-similar that the simple answer is probably no, unless anyone in the group has found a solution. (If so, I'm keen to hear!) If you still have a phone socket and dialup modem you're half way there, and there are also such things as USB modems, but anyone I know who has a fax via computer facility usually has opted for one of the third party services which are available, usually on a monthly subscription. I dumped my fax about 2 years ago and don't miss it one little bit - if I need to send a copy of a physical piece of paper, I simply scan it and send as an attachment to an email, but I realise this may not suit everyone. How's the speed? Robbie On 16 Jan 2010, at 16:05, David Van Edwards wrote: Dear All, Is there a way to send and receive faxes using the computer and the Virgin cable modem rather than a fax machine on the telephone line? I'm with Virgin for both telephone and cable broadband. Best wishes, DAvid -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Sat Jan 16 18:03:34 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 18:03:34 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Faxes? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15C47395-C1E9-4568-888A-89CF3BA15497@durrant.co.uk> There are plenty of internet fax companies, which will let you send and/or receive faxes via email. eg http://interfax.net/ My incoming faxes have worked this way for years through my Demon account. I don't have a good outgoing fax method at the moment, because I so rarely have to send faxes. Come to that - I haven't received an important fax for years either! regards, Paul On 16 Jan 2010, at 16:05, David Van Edwards wrote: > Is there a way to send and receive faxes using the computer and the > Virgin cable modem rather than a fax machine on the telephone line? > > I'm with Virgin for both telephone and cable broadband. From ricnev at mac.com Sat Jan 16 19:22:48 2010 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:22:48 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Faxes? In-Reply-To: <15C47395-C1E9-4568-888A-89CF3BA15497@durrant.co.uk> References: <15C47395-C1E9-4568-888A-89CF3BA15497@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <0A587678-886F-4A4D-B48A-9B6D6C05FB14@mac.com> Obviously, Lute Lovers Favour Faxes! On 16 Jan 2010, at 18:03, Paul Durrant wrote: > There are plenty of internet fax companies, which will let you send > and/or receive faxes via email. eg http://interfax.net/ > > My incoming faxes have worked this way for years through my Demon > account. I don't have a good outgoing fax method at the moment, > because I so rarely have to send faxes. > > Come to that - I haven't received an important fax for years either! > > regards, > > Paul > > On 16 Jan 2010, at 16:05, David Van Edwards wrote: >> Is there a way to send and receive faxes using the computer and the >> Virgin cable modem rather than a fax machine on the telephone line? >> >> I'm with Virgin for both telephone and cable broadband. > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From david at vanedwards.co.uk Sat Jan 16 20:49:51 2010 From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:49:51 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Faxes? In-Reply-To: <0EBEABE4-976C-475C-8E30-F9C9CD9BAF3B@f2s.com> References: <0EBEABE4-976C-475C-8E30-F9C9CD9BAF3B@f2s.com> Message-ID: Dear Robbie, Paul and Richard. Thanks for the warning and the advice. I don't normally need fax but one of my suppliers in Germany has asked for payment by credit card with the number to be emailed or faxed to him!! Knowing how insecure email is I therefore wondered if fax was easy. I had heard about the idea of emailing one's fax to a service but of course in this case it would just add to the security issues! I think I'll just visit my local post office to send it. And thanks for asking Robbie, my speeds are still fine, still better in fact with 7.02 down and 0.48 up. Best wishes, David >You would expect it to be simple, David, but unfortunately the 2 >technologies (ADSL and Dial-up) are so dis-similar that the simple >answer is probably no, unless anyone in the group has found a >solution. (If so, I'm keen to hear!) > >If you still have a phone socket and dialup modem you're half way >there, and there are also such things as USB modems, but anyone I know >who has a fax via computer facility usually has opted for one of the >third party services which are available, usually on a monthly >subscription. > >I dumped my fax about 2 years ago and don't miss it one little bit - >if I need to send a copy of a physical piece of paper, I simply scan >it and send as an attachment to an email, but I realise this may not >suit everyone. > >How's the speed? > > >Robbie > > > >On 16 Jan 2010, at 16:05, David Van Edwards wrote: > >Dear All, > >Is there a way to send and receive faxes using the computer and the >Virgin cable modem rather than a fax machine on the telephone line? > >I'm with Virgin for both telephone and cable broadband. > >Best wishes, > >DAvid >-- >The Smokehouse, >6 Whitwell Road, >Norwich, NR1 4HB >England. > >Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 >Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk > > >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk From ricnev at mac.com Sat Jan 16 21:17:24 2010 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:17:24 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Faxes? In-Reply-To: References: <0EBEABE4-976C-475C-8E30-F9C9CD9BAF3B@f2s.com> Message-ID: <28385A9D-F0A2-4BF5-ADA1-C578D42FC742@mac.com> You could either send your credit number to him in an encrypted zip file (or even two separate files for extra security), or you could scan a peculiar handwritten copy of your number (to confound intelligent automatic credit card number recognition) as a jpeg file and send it as an attachment. With either method, for extra security, try to avoid giving your number in groups of four or as a complete 16 digit sequence. 12 345 6 7890 And try inserting some spoiler text to disguise the sixteenness of the sequence. 12345 And lastly: 6 On 16 Jan 2010, at 20:49, David Van Edwards wrote: > one of my suppliers in Germany has asked for payment by credit card > with the number to be emailed or faxed to him Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From macman at f2s.com Sat Jan 16 21:16:28 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:16:28 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Faxes? In-Reply-To: References: <0EBEABE4-976C-475C-8E30-F9C9CD9BAF3B@f2s.com> Message-ID: We often suggest to customers who are nervous of giving their card number over the phone, to send 2 emails - one with the card number only; the second with the expiry, CVV, and if relevant, the start date/ issue number (Maestro cards) Most seem happy with this, and to my knowledge, there has never been a problem. Robbie On 16 Jan 2010, at 20:49, David Van Edwards wrote: Dear Robbie, Paul and Richard. Thanks for the warning and the advice. I don't normally need fax but one of my suppliers in Germany has asked for payment by credit card with the number to be emailed or faxed to him!! Knowing how insecure email is I therefore wondered if fax was easy. I had heard about the idea of emailing one's fax to a service but of course in this case it would just add to the security issues! I think I'll just visit my local post office to send it. And thanks for asking Robbie, my speeds are still fine, still better in fact with 7.02 down and 0.48 up. Best wishes, David > You would expect it to be simple, David, but unfortunately the 2 > technologies (ADSL and Dial-up) are so dis-similar that the simple > answer is probably no, unless anyone in the group has found a > solution. (If so, I'm keen to hear!) > > If you still have a phone socket and dialup modem you're half way > there, and there are also such things as USB modems, but anyone I know > who has a fax via computer facility usually has opted for one of the > third party services which are available, usually on a monthly > subscription. > > I dumped my fax about 2 years ago and don't miss it one little bit - > if I need to send a copy of a physical piece of paper, I simply scan > it and send as an attachment to an email, but I realise this may not > suit everyone. > > How's the speed? > > > Robbie > > > > On 16 Jan 2010, at 16:05, David Van Edwards wrote: > > Dear All, > > Is there a way to send and receive faxes using the computer and the > Virgin cable modem rather than a fax machine on the telephone line? > > I'm with Virgin for both telephone and cable broadband. > > Best wishes, > > DAvid > -- > The Smokehouse, > 6 Whitwell Road, > Norwich, NR1 4HB > England. > > Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 > Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From john at shrubberyfarm.co.uk Sun Jan 17 18:27:27 2010 From: john at shrubberyfarm.co.uk (John Garrett) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:27:27 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] SSEsurf Message-ID: <4CFB77A4-4CF4-46B0-A903-8BEC2080F29B@shrubberyfarm.co.uk> If anyone uses SSEsurf and would be willing to help me get SMTP mail to work, please contact me off list. Thanks, John From ricnev at mac.com Sun Jan 17 18:46:35 2010 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 18:46:35 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] SSEsurf In-Reply-To: <4CFB77A4-4CF4-46B0-A903-8BEC2080F29B@shrubberyfarm.co.uk> References: <4CFB77A4-4CF4-46B0-A903-8BEC2080F29B@shrubberyfarm.co.uk> Message-ID: Why off list? On list, we all get to benefit from whatever pearls of wisdom come your way. If it starts to get involved or personal, then by all means take it off list, but please remember to subsequently give the group a short post outlining the problem and how it was resolved. Just to get the ball rolling, SSESurf seems to be provided by BT, so anyone familiar with SMTP mail with a BT account might be able to help. If you describe your specific problem here it could generate a very useful discussion. On 17 Jan 2010, at 18:27, John Garrett wrote: > If anyone uses SSEsurf and would be willing to help me get SMTP mail to work, please contact me off list. > > Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From john at shrubberyfarm.co.uk Sun Jan 17 19:12:36 2010 From: john at shrubberyfarm.co.uk (John Garrett) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 19:12:36 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] SSEsurf In-Reply-To: References: <4CFB77A4-4CF4-46B0-A903-8BEC2080F29B@shrubberyfarm.co.uk> Message-ID: <7897D417-CB94-4B69-801A-8D4F6417F265@shrubberyfarm.co.uk> Thanks for responding, Richard, I suggested off-list as the friend with the problem is using Outlook Express on a Windows XP PC. That may or may not be relevant. Symptom is that every attempt to send, using the mail servers given in SSEsurf's very limited help info, produces an error message similar to: smtp server response 554, client host rejected, access denied, port: 25, secure [SSL]: no server error 554 error number 0x800CCC79 Some Googling gave me a few ideas, but were mostly related to SMTP relay, which isn't what his problem is. We have tried with and without "my server requires authentication" ticked (plus appropriate, as far as I can tell, settings ). As you suggested, it might be worth trying mail.btinternet.com and ignoring the SSEsurf bit. I'll try it next time I get access to his computer. Regards, John On 17/01/2010, at 18:46, Richard Nevill wrote: > Why off list? > > On list, we all get to benefit from whatever pearls of wisdom come your way. > > If it starts to get involved or personal, then by all means take it off list, but please remember to subsequently give the group a short post outlining the problem and how it was resolved. > > > Just to get the ball rolling, SSESurf seems to be provided by BT, so anyone familiar with SMTP mail with a BT account might be able to help. > > If you describe your specific problem here it could generate a very useful discussion. > > > On 17 Jan 2010, at 18:27, John Garrett wrote: > >> If anyone uses SSEsurf and would be willing to help me get SMTP mail to work, please contact me off list. >> >> > > Richard Nevill > ricnev at mac.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From ken.hamer at stackyard.org Sun Jan 17 20:16:49 2010 From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:16:49 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] SSEsurf In-Reply-To: <7897D417-CB94-4B69-801A-8D4F6417F265@shrubberyfarm.co.uk> References: <4CFB77A4-4CF4-46B0-A903-8BEC2080F29B@shrubberyfarm.co.uk> <7897D417-CB94-4B69-801A-8D4F6417F265@shrubberyfarm.co.uk> Message-ID: <4B537031.6010808@stackyard.org> John, The problem could exist no matter what email client or OS is being used so don't worry about it not being a Mac. The SMTP settings will depend on what network your friend is using. If he is using ssesurf for both broadband and email, there shouldn't be a problem using the ssesurf SMTP server. In this case, trying to use mail.btinternet.com would involve extra effort and a valid BT login. According to ssesurf, their SMTP server is aptly-named smtp.ssesurf.co.uk and they imply that outgoing authentication is not necessary. I don't know if that is what your friend has configured. The error message appears to indicate that the machine sending the email is NOT on the ssesurf network or that the reply address is not @ssesurf.co.uk. What network is the machine using, i.e. who is the ISP? Without doing some messing about, it is best to use the SMTP server for the network the machine is connected to. Give us more information. Ken Hamer On 17/01/2010 19:12, John Garrett wrote: > Thanks for responding, Richard, > > I suggested off-list as the friend with the problem is using Outlook Express on a Windows XP PC. That may or may not be relevant. > > Symptom is that every attempt to send, using the mail servers given in SSEsurf's very limited help info, produces an error message similar to: > > smtp server response 554, client host rejected, access denied, port: 25, secure [SSL]: no > server error 554 > error number 0x800CCC79 > > Some Googling gave me a few ideas, but were mostly related to SMTP relay, which isn't what his problem is. > We have tried with and without "my server requires authentication" ticked (plus appropriate, as far as I can tell, settings ). > > As you suggested, it might be worth trying mail.btinternet.com and ignoring the SSEsurf bit. I'll try it next time I get access to his computer. > > Regards, > John > > On 17/01/2010, at 18:46, Richard Nevill wrote: > > >> Why off list? >> >> On list, we all get to benefit from whatever pearls of wisdom come your way. >> >> If it starts to get involved or personal, then by all means take it off list, but please remember to subsequently give the group a short post outlining the problem and how it was resolved. >> >> >> Just to get the ball rolling, SSESurf seems to be provided by BT, so anyone familiar with SMTP mail with a BT account might be able to help. >> >> If you describe your specific problem here it could generate a very useful discussion. >> >> >> On 17 Jan 2010, at 18:27, John Garrett wrote: >> >> >>> If anyone uses SSEsurf and would be willing to help me get SMTP mail to work, please contact me off list. >>> >>> >>> >> Richard Nevill >> ricnev at mac.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From john at shrubberyfarm.co.uk Sun Jan 17 20:24:54 2010 From: john at shrubberyfarm.co.uk (John Garrett) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:24:54 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] SSEsurf In-Reply-To: <4B537031.6010808@stackyard.org> References: <4CFB77A4-4CF4-46B0-A903-8BEC2080F29B@shrubberyfarm.co.uk> <7897D417-CB94-4B69-801A-8D4F6417F265@shrubberyfarm.co.uk> <4B537031.6010808@stackyard.org> Message-ID: <7D39EF19-CE1D-4273-87B7-D041B0C944F3@shrubberyfarm.co.uk> Thanks, Ken. SSEsurf is his ISP and the reply to address is set to his SSEsurf address. I tried to make it easy for him!! Web access and POP3 works ok. It's just SMTP that fails. I shall take my iBook next time I visit him and see if I get any joy with that. Cheers, John On 17/01/2010, at 20:16, Ken Hamer wrote: > The SMTP settings will depend on what network your friend is using. If > he is using ssesurf for both broadband and email, there shouldn't be a > problem using the ssesurf SMTP server. From ken.hamer at stackyard.org Sun Jan 17 20:40:43 2010 From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:40:43 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] SSEsurf In-Reply-To: <7D39EF19-CE1D-4273-87B7-D041B0C944F3@shrubberyfarm.co.uk> References: <4CFB77A4-4CF4-46B0-A903-8BEC2080F29B@shrubberyfarm.co.uk> <7897D417-CB94-4B69-801A-8D4F6417F265@shrubberyfarm.co.uk> <4B537031.6010808@stackyard.org> <7D39EF19-CE1D-4273-87B7-D041B0C944F3@shrubberyfarm.co.uk> Message-ID: <4B5375CB.6040203@stackyard.org> Without seeing the machine in question, I would suspect a typo. But many ISPs take a while to enable email. How long has your friend had the account? Also, some ISPs need the email account to be sent an email from outside the domain to get enabled. Try sending one to the ssesurf address and see what you get back. If you get a "User Unknown" then it looks like ssesurf need to be queried. If there is no bounce, get your friend to try again. From the look of their minimalist docs, SMTP authentication should be switched off. Ken On 17/01/2010 20:24, John Garrett wrote: > Thanks, Ken. > > SSEsurf is his ISP and the reply to address is set to his SSEsurf address. I tried to make it easy for him!! Web access and POP3 works ok. It's just SMTP that fails. > > I shall take my iBook next time I visit him and see if I get any joy with that. > > Cheers, > John > > On 17/01/2010, at 20:16, Ken Hamer wrote: > >> The SMTP settings will depend on what network your friend is using. If >> he is using ssesurf for both broadband and email, there shouldn't be a >> problem using the ssesurf SMTP server. >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From john at shrubberyfarm.co.uk Sun Jan 17 20:50:26 2010 From: john at shrubberyfarm.co.uk (John Garrett) Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:50:26 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] SSEsurf In-Reply-To: <4B5375CB.6040203@stackyard.org> References: <4CFB77A4-4CF4-46B0-A903-8BEC2080F29B@shrubberyfarm.co.uk> <7897D417-CB94-4B69-801A-8D4F6417F265@shrubberyfarm.co.uk> <4B537031.6010808@stackyard.org> <7D39EF19-CE1D-4273-87B7-D041B0C944F3@shrubberyfarm.co.uk> <4B5375CB.6040203@stackyard.org> Message-ID: <515C8E76-ECF4-453E-97ED-725EB148EEDD@shrubberyfarm.co.uk> He has had the account for 5 days only but his new POP3 e-mail address works OK. It's just the outgoing that is giving trouble. ". . . minimalist docs" - aye! They didn't even bother to do screen shots of OE with SSEsurf info entered, did they! Cheers, John On 17/01/2010, at 20:40, Ken Hamer wrote: > Without seeing the machine in question, I would suspect a typo. But > many ISPs take a while to enable email. How long has your friend had > the account? Also, some ISPs need the email account to be sent an email > from outside the domain to get enabled. Try sending one to the ssesurf > address and see what you get back. If you get a "User Unknown" then it > looks like ssesurf need to be queried. If there is no bounce, get your > friend to try again. From the look of their minimalist docs, SMTP > authentication should be switched off. From june.perrett at mac.com Mon Jan 18 08:27:42 2010 From: june.perrett at mac.com (June Perrett) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:27:42 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Help wanted to make C5 size leaflets Message-ID: <3320DAB5-9E33-4067-B008-C6508A16B262@mac.com> I am using Apple 6 and working in Word Processing and want to make C5 size leaflets (not A4 size posters) to advertise my classes. I have typed and printed identical pieces of text side by side on A4 paper (turned on its side). I then cut the page in half BUT end up with leaflets that have uneven white borders at the sides. One side has a wider white border than the other and the leaflets don't look professional. I haven't found anything in iWork '06 with a suitable template to produce C5 size leaflets. Can anyone recommend another application I can use? Many thanks June Perrett From june.perrett at mac.com Mon Jan 18 08:36:09 2010 From: june.perrett at mac.com (June Perrett) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:36:09 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Re- Help wanted to make C5 leaflets Message-ID: <5EFB2BAD-0139-4564-ADDF-C93A64D8B1F3@mac.com> In my previous message (re C5 leaflets) I meant to say I am working in AppleWorks 6 - not Apple 6. Regards June From paul at durrant.co.uk Mon Jan 18 09:22:45 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:22:45 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Help wanted to make C5 size leaflets In-Reply-To: <3320DAB5-9E33-4067-B008-C6508A16B262@mac.com> References: <3320DAB5-9E33-4067-B008-C6508A16B262@mac.com> Message-ID: <41B4D4C7-C4E5-4167-B463-538901D05898@durrant.co.uk> C5 is an envelope size, suitable for a A4 page folded once. Perhaps you mean A5 - exactly half of an A4 sheet? Appleworks has always had poor column control - I can never get the columns to be the size I want. It looks like a long-standing bug to me, which will now never be fixed. In Pages, open a blank Word processing document. In Page Setup, select A4 and Landscape. From the View menu, choose "Show Layout" if it's not already showing, also show "Show Inspector". In the Inspector palette, choose the document tab (leftmost). Set all the margins to 1cm, set the header & footer to 0cm, and then uncheck the header and footer check boxes. Now choose the Layout tab in the Inspector palette (next to the document tab). Select 2 equal width columns. Change the Gutter value to 2cm. The column widths will automatically adjust to be 12.85cm. Now enter your text in the document, in the two columns. You can use a column break between the columns to make sure they both start at the top of the page. When printed and cut in two, the A5 leaflets will have 1cm margins. regards, Paul On 18 Jan 2010, at 08:27, June Perrett wrote: > > I am using Apple 6 and working in Word Processing and want to make C5 > size leaflets (not A4 size posters) to advertise my classes. > > I have typed and printed identical pieces of text side by side on A4 > paper (turned on its side). I then cut the page in half BUT end up > with leaflets that have uneven white borders at the sides. One side > has a wider white border than the other and the leaflets don't look > professional. > > I haven't found anything in iWork '06 with a suitable template to > produce C5 size leaflets. > > Can anyone recommend another application I can use? > > Many thanks > > June Perrett > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From june.perrett at mac.com Mon Jan 18 13:14:07 2010 From: june.perrett at mac.com (June Perrett) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 13:14:07 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Re- A5 leaflets Message-ID: <8C16E00C-A7E7-4749-B29F-2995FB638705@mac.com> Thank you Paul (D) and John (G) for your help with the set up. Your instructions were very easy to follow, Paul. Thanks for going to all that trouble. And thank you both for mentioning the leaflets are called A5 ... I knew it was a capital letter and number 5 - but didn't quite get it right! Regards June From swimwire at googlemail.com Mon Jan 18 21:02:20 2010 From: swimwire at googlemail.com (Jack Webb-Heller) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:02:20 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Apple Event - 27th January - Tablet? Message-ID: So, Apple have announced their next event: http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/18/its-on-apple-holding-january-27th-event-to-show-off-its-lates/ Take a look at the link, and look at the invite: does this suggest 'Apple Tablet' to you? Paint splatters and creativity...? What do we think? Jack Jack Webb-Heller personal: jack at jackwebbheller.com general: swimwire at googlemail.com http://jackwebbheller.com From ricnev at mac.com Mon Jan 18 21:19:33 2010 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:19:33 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Apple Event - 27th January - Tablet? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0FEE7F8C-E9B1-47D0-AA06-1DA02FEDAC8C@mac.com> As has been suggested elsewhere, it almost looks to be an invitation to a team-building paintball fest! I'm hoping it will be something Apple-y radical, with plenty of innovations to put a modern spin on a theme which has been hanging around for a few years now. No one seems to have been able to come up with a sufficiently integrated, intuitively ergonomic set of new tools to make the Tablet idea work yet, so lets hope Apple can break the mould. Of course, it could be something much more mundane - the overdue Windows 7 set of Boot Camp drivers, perhaps? On 18 Jan 2010, at 21:02, Jack Webb-Heller wrote: > So, Apple have announced their next event: > > http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/18/its-on-apple-holding-january-27th-event-to-show-off-its-lates/ > > Take a look at the link, and look at the invite: does this suggest 'Apple Tablet' to you? Paint splatters and creativity...? > > What do we think? > Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From brian at clearlight.uk.net Mon Jan 18 21:41:02 2010 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 21:41:02 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Help wanted to make C5 size leaflets In-Reply-To: <41B4D4C7-C4E5-4167-B463-538901D05898@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Another way to get a scaled to A5 version printed of an A4 page if you first print the original to pdf from the print dialog - then in Adobe Reader (free) set the page setup to A5 and choose scale to size in the printing options. I use this to print to A5 paper. in case it helps. regards Brian Paul Durrant said recently: > C5 is an envelope size, suitable for a A4 page folded once. Perhaps > you mean A5 - exactly half of an A4 sheet? > > Appleworks has always had poor column control - I can never get the > columns to be the size I want. It looks like a long-standing bug to > me, which will now never be fixed. > > In Pages, open a blank Word processing document. In Page Setup, select > A4 and Landscape. From the View menu, choose "Show Layout" if it's not > already showing, also show "Show Inspector". > > In the Inspector palette, choose the document tab (leftmost). Set all > the margins to 1cm, set the header & footer to 0cm, and then uncheck > the header and footer check boxes. > > Now choose the Layout tab in the Inspector palette (next to the > document tab). Select 2 equal width columns. Change the Gutter value > to 2cm. The column widths will automatically adjust to be 12.85cm. > > Now enter your text in the document, in the two columns. You can use a > column break between the columns to make sure they both start at the > top of the page. > > When printed and cut in two, the A5 leaflets will have 1cm margins. > > regards, > > Paul > > On 18 Jan 2010, at 08:27, June Perrett wrote: > >> >> I am using Apple 6 and working in Word Processing and want to make C5 >> size leaflets (not A4 size posters) to advertise my classes. >> >> I have typed and printed identical pieces of text side by side on A4 >> paper (turned on its side). I then cut the page in half BUT end up >> with leaflets that have uneven white borders at the sides. One side >> has a wider white border than the other and the leaflets don't look >> professional. >> >> I haven't found anything in iWork '06 with a suitable template to >> produce C5 size leaflets. >> >> Can anyone recommend another application I can use? >> >> Many thanks >> >> June Perrett >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Mon Jan 18 22:03:30 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:03:30 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Apple Event - 27th January - Tablet? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <048DE20E-E08F-44F8-B6F5-00B23E0B8F8F@f2s.com> Obviously they're launching a pharmaceutical tablet - probably Lysergic acid diethylamide, since this is more or less how the world looks after dropping a tab of the stuff (I am told ...) Steve did go through a hippy stage remember ........ Robbie On 18 Jan 2010, at 21:02, Jack Webb-Heller wrote: So, Apple have announced their next event: http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/18/its-on-apple-holding-january-27th-event-to-show-off-its-lates/ Take a look at the link, and look at the invite: does this suggest 'Apple Tablet' to you? Paint splatters and creativity...? What do we think? Jack Jack Webb-Heller personal: jack at jackwebbheller.com general: swimwire at googlemail.com http://jackwebbheller.com _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From alanbarber at mac.com Tue Jan 19 14:14:45 2010 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:14:45 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] scanner Message-ID: Anyone have room for a snapscan 1212 usb c/w manual and cd. Regards Alan From macman at f2s.com Tue Jan 19 15:17:32 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:17:32 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] calling all f2s users ...... Message-ID: After having no incoming mail at all yesterday, I'm now being flooded with duplicates of previously downloaded messages. (500+ so far) Anyone else experiencing the same? (This has happened as I have been planning to move the domain as I've had enough - do you think they may have found out and are punishing me? :-) Robbie From ernienmug at f2s.com Tue Jan 19 15:23:49 2010 From: ernienmug at f2s.com (Ernie Ives) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:23:49 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] calling all f2s users ...... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <188ACA90-7E76-4182-9762-9BAA80818863@f2s.com> Ernie Ives Marquetarian and microscopist I had exactly the same experience Best wishes Ernie On 19 Jan 2010, at 15:17, Robbie Murray wrote: After having no incoming mail at all yesterday, I'm now being flooded with duplicates of previously downloaded messages. (500+ so far) Anyone else experiencing the same? (This has happened as I have been planning to move the domain as I've had enough - do you think they may have found out and are punishing me? :-) Robbie _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ken.hamer at stackyard.org Tue Jan 19 15:58:14 2010 From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:58:14 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] calling all f2s users ...... In-Reply-To: <188ACA90-7E76-4182-9762-9BAA80818863@f2s.com> References: <188ACA90-7E76-4182-9762-9BAA80818863@f2s.com> Message-ID: <4B55D696.1000108@stackyard.org> Actually, I'm finding life a bit boring at the moment. My email has always worked perfectly for some unfathomable reason and I'm getting really fed up and jealous of all you folks with TalkTalk/Tiscali/AOL or Virgin/NTL accounts who have lots of interesting email adventures, never knowing what is going to happen next, whether you will receive any email at all or copies of some you received 10 years ago. It just sounds like an enormous amount of fun that I am missing out on. So I think I need a change. I need to get a different ISP and email server who will give me something to do and fascinating puzzles to solve. Shall I choose Tiscali? No, Damn! TalkTalk killed off the brand. I'm afraid that if I choose F2S, they'll do the same thing. Maybe Virgin - that shouldn't disappear very soon. There certainly appears to be a lot of interesting chat about Virgin email conundrums. And here am I sitting miserably with nothing but boring old email coming in and going out as you would expect. I'm soooooooooo bored. Ken ;-) On 19/01/2010 15:23, Ernie Ives wrote: > Ernie Ives Marquetarian and microscopist > > I had exactly the same experience > > Best wishes > Ernie > > > > > On 19 Jan 2010, at 15:17, Robbie Murray wrote: > > After having no incoming mail at all yesterday, I'm now being flooded > with duplicates of previously downloaded messages. (500+ so far) > Anyone else experiencing the same? > > (This has happened as I have been planning to move the domain as I've > had enough - do you think they may have found out and are punishing me? > > :-) > > Robbie > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Tue Jan 19 16:07:50 2010 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:07:50 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] calling all f2s users ...... In-Reply-To: <4B55D696.1000108@stackyard.org> References: <188ACA90-7E76-4182-9762-9BAA80818863@f2s.com> <4B55D696.1000108@stackyard.org> Message-ID: <72322873-6ADA-40CF-B86A-7FBF78B74EED@virgin.net> Why not try to contact Simon Royal? HE always found something interesting! Ken Arnoldi On 19 Jan 2010, at 03:58 PM, Ken Hamer wrote: > Actually, I'm finding life a bit boring at the moment. My email has > always worked perfectly for some unfathomable reason and I'm getting > really fed up and jealous of all you folks with TalkTalk/Tiscali/AOL > or > Virgin/NTL accounts who have lots of interesting email adventures, > never > knowing what is going to happen next, whether you will receive any > email > at all or copies of some you received 10 years ago. It just sounds > like > an enormous amount of fun that I am missing out on. > > So I think I need a change. I need to get a different ISP and email > server who will give me something to do and fascinating puzzles to > solve. Shall I choose Tiscali? No, Damn! TalkTalk killed off the > brand. I'm afraid that if I choose F2S, they'll do the same thing. > Maybe Virgin - that shouldn't disappear very soon. There certainly > appears to be a lot of interesting chat about Virgin email conundrums. > And here am I sitting miserably with nothing but boring old email > coming > in and going out as you would expect. > > I'm soooooooooo bored. > > Ken > ;-) > > On 19/01/2010 15:23, Ernie Ives wrote: >> Ernie Ives Marquetarian and microscopist >> >> I had exactly the same experience >> >> Best wishes >> Ernie >> >> >> >> >> On 19 Jan 2010, at 15:17, Robbie Murray wrote: >> >> After having no incoming mail at all yesterday, I'm now being flooded >> with duplicates of previously downloaded messages. (500+ so far) >> Anyone else experiencing the same? >> >> (This has happened as I have been planning to move the domain as I've >> had enough - do you think they may have found out and are punishing >> me? >> >> :-) >> >> Robbie >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ken.hamer at stackyard.org Tue Jan 19 16:12:31 2010 From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:12:31 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] calling all f2s users ...... In-Reply-To: <72322873-6ADA-40CF-B86A-7FBF78B74EED@virgin.net> References: <188ACA90-7E76-4182-9762-9BAA80818863@f2s.com> <4B55D696.1000108@stackyard.org> <72322873-6ADA-40CF-B86A-7FBF78B74EED@virgin.net> Message-ID: <4B55D9EF.3020105@stackyard.org> Good idea! Something with valves and relays would do nicely. On 19/01/2010 16:07, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > Why not try to contact Simon Royal? > HE always found something interesting! > > Ken Arnoldi > > > > From macman at f2s.com Tue Jan 19 16:39:00 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:39:00 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] calling all f2s users ...... In-Reply-To: <72322873-6ADA-40CF-B86A-7FBF78B74EED@virgin.net> References: <188ACA90-7E76-4182-9762-9BAA80818863@f2s.com> <4B55D696.1000108@stackyard.org> <72322873-6ADA-40CF-B86A-7FBF78B74EED@virgin.net> Message-ID: Usually involving a clapped out Mac, an anvil, a mig welder and much paint and Elastoplast! On 19 Jan 2010, at 16:07, Ken Arnoldi wrote: Why not try to contact Simon Royal? HE always found something interesting! From bazyoungs at mac.com Tue Jan 19 16:51:09 2010 From: bazyoungs at mac.com (Barry Youngs) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:51:09 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] calling all f2s users ...... In-Reply-To: References: <188ACA90-7E76-4182-9762-9BAA80818863@f2s.com> <4B55D696.1000108@stackyard.org> <72322873-6ADA-40CF-B86A-7FBF78B74EED@virgin.net> Message-ID: <1C6B19F4-1715-4FAA-8C23-397A3A41F057@mac.com> But boy oh boy don't we miss him? Barry On 19 Jan 2010, at 16:39, Robbie Murray wrote: > Usually involving a clapped out Mac, an anvil, a mig welder and much > paint and Elastoplast! > > On 19 Jan 2010, at 16:07, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > > Why not try to contact Simon Royal? > HE always found something interesting! > All those who believe in psycho kinesis, raise my hand. From macman at f2s.com Tue Jan 19 17:19:06 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:19:06 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] calling all f2s users ...... In-Reply-To: <4B55D696.1000108@stackyard.org> References: <188ACA90-7E76-4182-9762-9BAA80818863@f2s.com> <4B55D696.1000108@stackyard.org> Message-ID: <426CFE87-FF6A-423A-844D-45B92A013B15@f2s.com> You jest, Ken, but making the change is a big step when you've been with one ISP for many years: I have a certain affection for f2s, as, for a long time, they were totally reliable and almost flawless to the point of being as boring as your current provider. Also, from a practical point of view, I have a slew of different email addresses '@f2s.com '. The rot set in with the takeover by Pipex, who destroyed everything they touched, then accelerated when it was in turn swallowed up by Tiscali, and now all of it is in Mr Dunstone's trophy cupboard. I've just set up a domain move to Zen, with whom we have 3 x ADSL contracts and they've been good as gold, but perhaps only as long as they remain independent..... The big boys have deep pockets and it must be difficult to turn away an offer, but I'd hate to see us end up with a world where the only choice was between BT, TalkTalk and Virgin. Robbie On 19 Jan 2010, at 15:58, Ken Hamer wrote: Actually, I'm finding life a bit boring at the moment. My email has always worked perfectly for some unfathomable reason and I'm getting really fed up and jealous of all you folks with TalkTalk/Tiscali/AOL or Virgin/NTL accounts who have lots of interesting email adventures, never knowing what is going to happen next, whether you will receive any email at all or copies of some you received 10 years ago. It just sounds like an enormous amount of fun that I am missing out on. So I think I need a change. I need to get a different ISP and email server who will give me something to do and fascinating puzzles to solve. Shall I choose Tiscali? No, Damn! TalkTalk killed off the brand. I'm afraid that if I choose F2S, they'll do the same thing. Maybe Virgin - that shouldn't disappear very soon. There certainly appears to be a lot of interesting chat about Virgin email conundrums. And here am I sitting miserably with nothing but boring old email coming in and going out as you would expect. I'm soooooooooo bored. Ken ;-) From brian at clearlight.uk.net Tue Jan 19 17:36:04 2010 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 17:36:04 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] calling all f2s users ...... In-Reply-To: <4B55D696.1000108@stackyard.org> Message-ID: Ha! Be careful what you wish for! I'm on F2s and haven't had anything awry for years. For which I am grateful. I realize you are having a laugh but found myself writing: Is boredom a supreme human accomplishment? It cant be life that's boring - only what the mind makes of it. I confess that I've lost much of my interest in solving computer problems and keeping up with the Mac universe. Though I enjoyed it while it felt alive. Life is too full - even in silence. My mind wont do it anymore - because my heart's not in it. all the best Brian Ken Hamer said recently: > Actually, I'm finding life a bit boring at the moment. My email has > always worked perfectly for some unfathomable reason and I'm getting > really fed up and jealous of all you folks with TalkTalk/Tiscali/AOL or > Virgin/NTL accounts who have lots of interesting email adventures, never > knowing what is going to happen next, whether you will receive any email > at all or copies of some you received 10 years ago. It just sounds like > an enormous amount of fun that I am missing out on. > > So I think I need a change. I need to get a different ISP and email > server who will give me something to do and fascinating puzzles to > solve. Shall I choose Tiscali? No, Damn! TalkTalk killed off the > brand. I'm afraid that if I choose F2S, they'll do the same thing. > Maybe Virgin - that shouldn't disappear very soon. There certainly > appears to be a lot of interesting chat about Virgin email conundrums. > And here am I sitting miserably with nothing but boring old email coming > in and going out as you would expect. > > I'm soooooooooo bored. > > Ken > ;-) > > On 19/01/2010 15:23, Ernie Ives wrote: >> Ernie Ives Marquetarian and microscopist >> >> I had exactly the same experience >> >> Best wishes >> Ernie >> >> >> >> >> On 19 Jan 2010, at 15:17, Robbie Murray wrote: >> >> After having no incoming mail at all yesterday, I'm now being flooded >> with duplicates of previously downloaded messages. (500+ so far) >> Anyone else experiencing the same? >> >> (This has happened as I have been planning to move the domain as I've >> had enough - do you think they may have found out and are punishing me? >> >> :-) >> >> Robbie >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ken.hamer at stackyard.org Tue Jan 19 18:42:06 2010 From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:42:06 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] calling all f2s users ...... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B55FCFE.4040407@stackyard.org> Oh No! This is the way Simon Royal spoke before his departure! Don't tell me it's catching. On 19/01/2010 17:36, Brian Steere wrote: > I confess that I've lost much of my interest in solving computer problems > and keeping up with the Mac universe. Though I enjoyed it while it felt > alive. Life is too full - even in silence. My mind wont do it anymore - > because my heart's not in it. > > From david.maskell at ntlworld.com Tue Jan 19 18:53:29 2010 From: david.maskell at ntlworld.com (David Maskell) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:53:29 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] calling all f2s users ...... In-Reply-To: <4B55FCFE.4040407@stackyard.org> References: <4B55FCFE.4040407@stackyard.org> Message-ID: <31D2EAC9-DA7D-45FB-BF6D-FC91C5ACEBAF@ntlworld.com> I must confess... my hearts not in it anymore..... all this Mac stuff... staring at a boring mac screen....boring ol imac, and a boring ol' macbook pro..... hang on... what am I on about...... The MAC is freakin' awesome, and makes me want to create stuff..... i have never written so much music in my life... ahh... now off to not be bored with the 'puter world...weeeeee...... lovely old snow leopard David On 19 Jan 2010, at 18:42, Ken Hamer wrote: > Oh No! This is the way Simon Royal spoke before his departure! Don't > tell me it's catching. > > On 19/01/2010 17:36, Brian Steere wrote: >> I confess that I've lost much of my interest in solving computer problems >> and keeping up with the Mac universe. Though I enjoyed it while it felt >> alive. Life is too full - even in silence. My mind wont do it anymore - >> because my heart's not in it. >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From homestuff49 at googlemail.com Tue Jan 19 18:59:43 2010 From: homestuff49 at googlemail.com (alan stephen) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:59:43 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] scanner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <110c6d491001191059y382e9429o3762ef46f009d1d@mail.gmail.com> Hi Alan will it run on that G3 iMac? If so, how much are you asking for it? Alan S. On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Alan Barber wrote: > Anyone have room for a snapscan 1212 usb c/w manual and cd. > > Regards > > Alan > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From brian at clearlight.uk.net Tue Jan 19 20:39:08 2010 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:39:08 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] calling all f2s users ...... In-Reply-To: <4B55FCFE.4040407@stackyard.org> Message-ID: I didn't say I didn't use my Mac - I'm just less willing or interested in 'keeping up' or exploring under the hood - or letting it take away the time I'd rather use in more creative ways or in ways that let life (Creation) be enjoyed and shared. I remain an active participant and observer of the overview of digital technology and society - which is perhaps the most rapidly evolving catalyst for change that has come out of the technological impulse in human endeavour. And I remain interested in how much the computer replicates and reflects aspects of human intelligence. (I nearly wrote 'so called' there). Technology feeds language and language shapes the world view. But we also suckle on it and become shaped by it in more ways than we know. There's so much that is both good and bad - but better still - there's so much that reveals more about us to ourselves if we care to take a look. I could ask a Mac question here but it should have a new subject so I'll ask on another post. all the best Brian Ken Hamer said recently: > Oh No! This is the way Simon Royal spoke before his departure! Don't > tell me it's catching. > > On 19/01/2010 17:36, Brian Steere wrote: >> I confess that I've lost much of my interest in solving computer problems >> and keeping up with the Mac universe. Though I enjoyed it while it felt >> alive. Life is too full - even in silence. My mind wont do it anymore - >> because my heart's not in it. >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From brian at clearlight.uk.net Tue Jan 19 20:43:08 2010 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:43:08 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Sharing dissapeared Message-ID: On my iMac running 10.5.x The Sharing section in the Finder Window sidebar disappeared. I can still access shared servers on the network by drilling down into the network icon under the Computer (Root level) window ? but I'd like the Shared back. Has anyone any suggestions that might get it back? all the best Brian From david.maskell at ntlworld.com Tue Jan 19 20:54:57 2010 From: david.maskell at ntlworld.com (David Maskell) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 20:54:57 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Sharing dissapeared In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hmm I sometimes have this problem on my G5 imac.... on the sharing device, I usually change the sharing prefs from SMB to AFP, or the other way round...... and then the files are there to share again... I don't know if this will help you? but that's what I do... it just seems to restart the server.. Best Wishes David On 19 Jan 2010, at 20:43, Brian Steere wrote: > On my iMac running 10.5.x The Sharing section in the Finder Window sidebar > disappeared. I can still access shared servers on the network by drilling > down into the network icon under the Computer (Root level) window ? but I'd > like the Shared back. > Has anyone any suggestions that might get it back? > all the best > Brian > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ricnev at mac.com Tue Jan 19 21:06:02 2010 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 21:06:02 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Sharing dissapeared In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <09604748-B1EF-4482-8125-52B554F0CE93@mac.com> Repairing Disk Permissions can sometimes get shy 'Shared' lists to reappear. Another trick to try is to get the relevant plist to rebuild - try deleting "/Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/com.apple.network.identification.plist" and re-boot. On 19 Jan 2010, at 20:43, Brian Steere wrote: > On my iMac running 10.5.x The Sharing section in the Finder Window sidebar > disappeared. I can still access shared servers on the network by drilling > down into the network icon under the Computer (Root level) window ? but I'd > like the Shared back. > Has anyone any suggestions that might get it back? > all the best > Brian > Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From macman at f2s.com Tue Jan 19 22:12:56 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:12:56 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Any advice please? Message-ID: <64DED19D-8F82-4CB4-A15E-BF8BC4971FEA@f2s.com> I've had a Mac Mini arrive today - (?329+Vat on clearance from Jigsaw), but forgot they now come with a mini DVI port, and the adaptor included is Mini DVI - DVI, but the monitor is VGA. I can pick up a mini DVI - VGA adaptor from Apple, but could also look for a DVI-VGA adaptor to connect to the supplied lead, which would save a few ???s, but would mean the signal passing through an extra gizmo - can anyone advise if this would make much difference? (The Mini will be no more than a home workhorse for a staff member accessing our database on our remote server via Terminal Services, which screws the colours anyway - it's a Windows machine) Any comments? Robbie From ricnev at mac.com Tue Jan 19 22:25:19 2010 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:25:19 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Apple Event - 27th January - Tablet? In-Reply-To: <0FEE7F8C-E9B1-47D0-AA06-1DA02FEDAC8C@mac.com> References: <0FEE7F8C-E9B1-47D0-AA06-1DA02FEDAC8C@mac.com> Message-ID: <7FD8B470-B32A-4EA0-8BD3-9AF5C6F1F2A4@mac.com> Apparently not: http://support.apple.com/kb/DL979 On 18 Jan 2010, at 21:19, Richard Nevill wrote: > Of course, it could be something much more mundane - the overdue Windows 7 set of Boot Camp drivers, perhaps? Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From paul at durrant.co.uk Tue Jan 19 22:36:24 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 22:36:24 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Any advice please? In-Reply-To: <64DED19D-8F82-4CB4-A15E-BF8BC4971FEA@f2s.com> References: <64DED19D-8F82-4CB4-A15E-BF8BC4971FEA@f2s.com> Message-ID: <59D751AD-59EB-4F14-A4D6-2D8F6B306D65@durrant.co.uk> VGA is analog, but even so I can't see the extra connection causing much degradation in the signal. But that's assuming that the mini DVI- DVI also carries the analogue VGA signals. I've no idea if it does or not. regards, Paul On 19 Jan 2010, at 22:12, Robbie Murray wrote: > I've had a Mac Mini arrive today - (?329+Vat on clearance from > Jigsaw), but forgot they now come with a mini DVI port, and the > adaptor included is Mini DVI - DVI, but the monitor is VGA. > > I can pick up a mini DVI - VGA adaptor from Apple, but could also look > for a DVI-VGA adaptor to connect to the supplied lead, which would > save a few ???s, but would mean the signal passing through an extra > gizmo - can anyone advise if this would make much difference? > > (The Mini will be no more than a home workhorse for a staff member > accessing our database on our remote server via Terminal Services, > which screws the colours anyway - it's a Windows machine) > > Any comments? From macman at f2s.com Tue Jan 19 23:02:06 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:02:06 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Any advice please? In-Reply-To: <59D751AD-59EB-4F14-A4D6-2D8F6B306D65@durrant.co.uk> References: <64DED19D-8F82-4CB4-A15E-BF8BC4971FEA@f2s.com> <59D751AD-59EB-4F14-A4D6-2D8F6B306D65@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: A good point, Paul - you could argue that since Mini DVI - VGA and DVI- VGA adaptors exist, it's a fair assumption that the analogue signal must be in there somewhere, but I think for the sake of a few extra quid, I'll go for the Apple solution! (I just hate going into the city, though - I've yet to find the Apple Store) Thanks for your help. Robbie On 19 Jan 2010, at 22:36, Paul Durrant wrote: VGA is analog, but even so I can't see the extra connection causing much degradation in the signal. But that's assuming that the mini DVI- DVI also carries the analogue VGA signals. I've no idea if it does or not. regards, Paul On 19 Jan 2010, at 22:12, Robbie Murray wrote: > I've had a Mac Mini arrive today - (?329+Vat on clearance from > Jigsaw), but forgot they now come with a mini DVI port, and the > adaptor included is Mini DVI - DVI, but the monitor is VGA. > > I can pick up a mini DVI - VGA adaptor from Apple, but could also look > for a DVI-VGA adaptor to connect to the supplied lead, which would > save a few ???s, but would mean the signal passing through an extra > gizmo - can anyone advise if this would make much difference? > > (The Mini will be no more than a home workhorse for a staff member > accessing our database on our remote server via Terminal Services, > which screws the colours anyway - it's a Windows machine) > > Any comments? _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From june.perrett at mac.com Wed Jan 20 06:14:06 2010 From: june.perrett at mac.com (June Perrett) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 06:14:06 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Re-A5 leaflets Message-ID: <7565E61F-CC18-42D2-B1DE-86751329A333@mac.com> Thank you Paul, John and Brian for your help re my problem with the A5 leaflets. Regards June From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk Wed Jan 20 08:27:06 2010 From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:27:06 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Any advice please? In-Reply-To: References: <64DED19D-8F82-4CB4-A15E-BF8BC4971FEA@f2s.com> <59D751AD-59EB-4F14-A4D6-2D8F6B306D65@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: If you do, will we ever see you again as you might not want to come out!! ;-) Steven Jefferson steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk On 19 Jan 2010, at 23:02, Robbie Murray wrote: > A good point, Paul - you could argue that since Mini DVI - VGA and DVI- > VGA adaptors exist, it's a fair assumption that the analogue signal > must be in there somewhere, but I think for the sake of a few extra > quid, I'll go for the Apple solution! > > (I just hate going into the city, though - I've yet to find the Apple > Store) > > Thanks for your help. > > > Robbie > > > > On 19 Jan 2010, at 22:36, Paul Durrant wrote: > > VGA is analog, but even so I can't see the extra connection causing > much degradation in the signal. But that's assuming that the mini DVI- > DVI also carries the analogue VGA signals. I've no idea if it does or > not. > > regards, > > Paul > > On 19 Jan 2010, at 22:12, Robbie Murray wrote: > >> I've had a Mac Mini arrive today - (?329+Vat on clearance from >> Jigsaw), but forgot they now come with a mini DVI port, and the >> adaptor included is Mini DVI - DVI, but the monitor is VGA. >> >> I can pick up a mini DVI - VGA adaptor from Apple, but could also look >> for a DVI-VGA adaptor to connect to the supplied lead, which would >> save a few ???s, but would mean the signal passing through an extra >> gizmo - can anyone advise if this would make much difference? >> >> (The Mini will be no more than a home workhorse for a staff member >> accessing our database on our remote server via Terminal Services, >> which screws the colours anyway - it's a Windows machine) >> >> Any comments? > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Wed Jan 20 08:43:11 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:43:11 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Any advice please? In-Reply-To: References: <64DED19D-8F82-4CB4-A15E-BF8BC4971FEA@f2s.com> <59D751AD-59EB-4F14-A4D6-2D8F6B306D65@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: I've only ever experienced the Regent Street store, which was very impressive, but I couldn't get near anything for antipodean visitors hogging all the machines to email their aunties in Waggawagga, and that was before Facebook and Twitter appeared on the scene, so I shudder to think what it's like now. I think I'll be fairly safe, as I never buy on impulse and for big stuff always research the best deals (usually ending up with a refurb), so hopefully I'll be in and out in 2 ticks and straight home again - the old phart bus pass is a godsend! :-) On 20 Jan 2010, at 08:27, Steven Jefferson wrote: If you do, will we ever see you again as you might not want to come out!! ;-) Steven Jefferson steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk On 19 Jan 2010, at 23:02, Robbie Murray wrote: > A good point, Paul - you could argue that since Mini DVI - VGA and > DVI- > VGA adaptors exist, it's a fair assumption that the analogue signal > must be in there somewhere, but I think for the sake of a few extra > quid, I'll go for the Apple solution! > > (I just hate going into the city, though - I've yet to find the Apple > Store) > > Thanks for your help. > > > Robbie > > > > On 19 Jan 2010, at 22:36, Paul Durrant wrote: > > VGA is analog, but even so I can't see the extra connection causing > much degradation in the signal. But that's assuming that the mini DVI- > DVI also carries the analogue VGA signals. I've no idea if it does or > not. > > regards, > > Paul > > On 19 Jan 2010, at 22:12, Robbie Murray wrote: > >> I've had a Mac Mini arrive today - (?329+Vat on clearance from >> Jigsaw), but forgot they now come with a mini DVI port, and the >> adaptor included is Mini DVI - DVI, but the monitor is VGA. >> >> I can pick up a mini DVI - VGA adaptor from Apple, but could also >> look >> for a DVI-VGA adaptor to connect to the supplied lead, which would >> save a few ???s, but would mean the signal passing through an extra >> gizmo - can anyone advise if this would make much difference? >> >> (The Mini will be no more than a home workhorse for a staff member >> accessing our database on our remote server via Terminal Services, >> which screws the colours anyway - it's a Windows machine) >> >> Any comments? > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Wed Jan 20 08:44:42 2010 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:44:42 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] calling all f2s users ...... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2279BAC3-F76D-4422-8B99-37AC2ACFF0A1@virgin.net> Hi all I too am not really bothered by the tech side of Macs, I do love the simplicity of Macs over the dark side, but as for 'keeping up' etc I'm not bothered. If boring means that the computer and all it's programs open & work without problems, if I can send & receive mail and do my job which I love, then I am happy to be boring! But saying that My MacPro is Soooooooo fast! Martin Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com > I didn't say I didn't use my Mac - I'm just less willing or > interested in > 'keeping up' or exploring under the hood - or letting it take away > the time > I'd rather use in more creative ways or in ways that let life > (Creation) be > enjoyed and shared. > I remain an active participant and observer of the overview of digital > technology and society - which is perhaps the most rapidly evolving > catalyst > for change that has come out of the technological impulse in human > endeavour. And I remain interested in how much the computer > replicates and > reflects aspects of human intelligence. (I nearly wrote 'so called' > there). > Technology feeds language and language shapes the world view. > But we also suckle on it and become shaped by it in more ways than > we know. > There's so much that is both good and bad - but better still - > there's so > much that reveals more about us to ourselves if we care to take a > look. > > From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Wed Jan 20 09:27:57 2010 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:27:57 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Bondi blue iMac Message-ID: Hello, I've been given an old iMac. It works fine except for having to re-set the time on startup. I suspect the battery and have a new one, but can someone, please, tell me how to gain access- open the case? Ken Arnoldi From paul at durrant.co.uk Wed Jan 20 09:50:56 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:50:56 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Bondi blue iMac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1128ADA0-04C4-4F8E-AA4E-1ADFBA6F38F8@durrant.co.uk> If your iMac has a tray-loading optical drive, see http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2348 Once you have the logic board removed, the battery is on the logic board and easy to replace. If you Mac has a slot-loading optical drive, it's /just/ possible to replace the battery through the small door on the bottom, if you have small and dexterous hands. I find it a lot easier to remove the bottom case and the EMI cover. See http://fastmac.com/downloads/imac_sl_cpuinstall.pdf Up to step 9. The battery is then exposed and easy to replace. regards, Paul On 20 Jan 2010, at 09:27, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > I've been given an old iMac. > It works fine except for having to re-set the time on startup. > I suspect the battery and have a new one, but can someone, please, > tell me how to gain access- open the case? > From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Wed Jan 20 10:02:49 2010 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:02:49 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Bondi blue iMac In-Reply-To: <1128ADA0-04C4-4F8E-AA4E-1ADFBA6F38F8@durrant.co.uk> References: <1128ADA0-04C4-4F8E-AA4E-1ADFBA6F38F8@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Thanks Paul, The references and links you gave me will keep me quiet for an hour or two! It is a tray- loading optical drive. Ken On 20 Jan 2010, at 09:50 AM, Paul Durrant wrote: > If your iMac has a tray-loading optical drive, see > > http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2348 > > Once you have the logic board removed, the battery is on the logic > board and easy to replace. > > If you Mac has a slot-loading optical drive, it's /just/ possible to > replace the battery through the small door on the bottom, if you have > small and dexterous hands. I find it a lot easier to remove the bottom > case and the EMI cover. See > > http://fastmac.com/downloads/imac_sl_cpuinstall.pdf > > Up to step 9. The battery is then exposed and easy to replace. > > regards, > > Paul > > On 20 Jan 2010, at 09:27, Ken Arnoldi wrote: >> I've been given an old iMac. >> It works fine except for having to re-set the time on startup. >> I suspect the battery and have a new one, but can someone, please, >> tell me how to gain access- open the case? >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Wed Jan 20 10:10:21 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:10:21 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Bondi blue iMac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56B9C326-57E6-4873-85A5-7A0661FD5F56@f2s.com> Do you mean a G3 fruity coloured one Ken? You'll find it by undoing the memory access cover. It may be under a little plastic hat, and it's useful to have a pair of tweezers to catch the old one as you lever it out .... http://www.zipzap.co.uk/imac.htm It's a half-AA 3.6 V which you can get on the Net for ?2-4, or in Maplins for ?7.99 (Maxell ER3S) Hope this helps Robbie On 20 Jan 2010, at 09:27, Ken Arnoldi wrote: Hello, I've been given an old iMac. It works fine except for having to re-set the time on startup. I suspect the battery and have a new one, but can someone, please, tell me how to gain access- open the case? Ken Arnoldi _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ghowells at f2s.com Wed Jan 20 10:20:04 2010 From: ghowells at f2s.com (G.Howells) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:20:04 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Help wanted to make C5 size leaflets In-Reply-To: <3320DAB5-9E33-4067-B008-C6508A16B262@mac.com> References: <3320DAB5-9E33-4067-B008-C6508A16B262@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi June. I know the problem as I use AppleWorks for most things. As Paul says, the column width control has always been difficult, and when I have managed a size I want (after many trials) I save a copy and then just reopen it and change the text and then save under a new name ad infinitum..... For posters or leaflets I use the AppleWorks Drawing document: press the uppercase arrow and control and P together (whioh will show the whole sheet of A4 including the margin round the printed area); click on the text box, and with the mouse pull out a box on the document to the required size to insert the text; move the text box around to the position I want it so that two boxes can have equal borders on the page. Using this method you can also quite easily produce 3-column leaflets to fold along two lines to a page size of 1/3 of A4 If necessary, you can go to Format...Document to change the size of the margins on the printable page quite easily. Unfortunately templates don't always do what you want,and Pages doesn't seem to have drawing documents though I suppose you could open a template like StoryBoard, delete any t ext boxes you don't want and resize the others... Not quite as simple? Perhaps Apple will add drawing documents at some future date and give us back the functionality of AppleWorks. Gordon. >I am using Apple 6 and working in Word Processing and want to make C5 >size leaflets (not A4 size posters) to advertise my classes. > >I have typed and printed identical pieces of text side by side on A4 >paper (turned on its side). I then cut the page in half BUT end up >with leaflets that have uneven white borders at the sides. One side >has a wider white border than the other and the leaflets don't look >professional. > >I haven't found anything in iWork '06 with a suitable template to >produce C5 size leaflets. > >Can anyone recommend another application I can use? > >Many thanks > >June Perrett >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Wed Jan 20 10:25:14 2010 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:25:14 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Bondi blue iMac In-Reply-To: <56B9C326-57E6-4873-85A5-7A0661FD5F56@f2s.com> References: <56B9C326-57E6-4873-85A5-7A0661FD5F56@f2s.com> Message-ID: <20817330-7E98-4EA7-9EDD-5E9CAA39089F@virgin.net> Thanks Robbie, Yes, the genuine Bondi blue, cobber! Ken On 20 Jan 2010, at 10:10 AM, Robbie Murray wrote: > Do you mean a G3 fruity coloured one Ken? > > You'll find it by undoing the memory access cover. It may be under a > little plastic hat, and it's useful to have a pair of tweezers to > catch the old one as you lever it out .... > > http://www.zipzap.co.uk/imac.htm > > It's a half-AA 3.6 V which you can get on the Net for ?2-4, or in > Maplins for ?7.99 (Maxell ER3S) > > Hope this helps > > > Robbie > > On 20 Jan 2010, at 09:27, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > > > Hello, > > I've been given an old iMac. > It works fine except for having to re-set the time on startup. > I suspect the battery and have a new one, but can someone, please, > tell me how to gain access- open the case? > > Ken Arnoldi > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ghowells at f2s.com Wed Jan 20 10:45:53 2010 From: ghowells at f2s.com (G.Howells) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 10:45:53 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] calling all f2s users ...... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Robbie. I've been having duplicate bunches of emails via f2s on and off for some weeks now. I was getting a bit fed up, too. When I heard that Talk Talk was taking over Tiscali (which had taken iover Pipex inc f2s) I tried their web site to see what they offered. Someone (who didn't know what f2s was) phoned me back and eventually after taking the service bit by bit and telling me how cheap it was, etc., produced some extra charge out of the blue. The conversation ended when I said "WHAT you mean is that for the same speed you'll give me more download capacity which I don't need, you won't give me free calls during the day, which I get at the moment, and you charge me considerably more per month. At which p[oint he simply wished me a good day and said goodbye. I'm still not sure how TalkTalk "up to 6" speed is better that f2s "Up to 8" ! Gordon >After having no incoming mail at all yesterday, I'm now being flooded >with duplicates of previously downloaded messages. (500+ so far) >Anyone else experiencing the same? > >(This has happened as I have been planning to move the domain as I've >had enough - do you think they may have found out and are punishing me? > >:-) > >Robbie >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Wed Jan 20 11:18:36 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:18:36 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] calling all f2s users ...... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gordon I've had enough, and have made the decision to switch to Zen, principally because we've had very good service from them, but also as they're offering free upgrades to the faster speeds as soon as BT upgrades exchanges, and I think Norwich City, which, according to Samknows, is 21Cn enabled as of today. They're not the cheapest, but i believe Broadband is now very much "you get what you pay for", and above all I need a reliable, unexciting provider, so I can have a boring life just like Ken! Robbie On 20 Jan 2010, at 10:45, G.Howells wrote: Hi Robbie. I've been having duplicate bunches of emails via f2s on and off for some weeks now. I was getting a bit fed up, too. When I heard that Talk Talk was taking over Tiscali (which had taken iover Pipex inc f2s) I tried their web site to see what they offered. Someone (who didn't know what f2s was) phoned me back and eventually after taking the service bit by bit and telling me how cheap it was, etc., produced some extra charge out of the blue. The conversation ended when I said "WHAT you mean is that for the same speed you'll give me more download capacity which I don't need, you won't give me free calls during the day, which I get at the moment, and you charge me considerably more per month. At which p[oint he simply wished me a good day and said goodbye. I'm still not sure how TalkTalk "up to 6" speed is better that f2s "Up to 8" ! Gordon > After having no incoming mail at all yesterday, I'm now being flooded > with duplicates of previously downloaded messages. (500+ so far) > Anyone else experiencing the same? > > (This has happened as I have been planning to move the domain as I've > had enough - do you think they may have found out and are punishing > me? > > :-) > > Robbie > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From sc at davidviner.com Wed Jan 20 11:44:13 2010 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:44:13 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] calling all f2s users ...... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B56EC8D.1020902@davidviner.com> I've nothing but good things about Zen and they would be my first choice if I am ever forced to move off Virgin. The only reason I'm with Virgin the first place is that they were first in my street to offer broadband (beating BT by several months). It's also convenient that one of my next door neighbours also uses them so that, when things go wrong (which they do once or twice a year), we always compare symptoms and then this gives us more "ammo" when phoning them up as it's then a problem that affects multiple users and stops them going through the "stupid user remedy" things like "have you tried unplugging it" etc. I don't use their email service though as that's definitely pants! David Robbie Murray wrote: > Hi Gordon > > I've had enough, and have made the decision to switch to Zen, > principally because we've had very good service from them, but also as > they're offering free upgrades to the faster speeds as soon as BT > upgrades exchanges, and I think Norwich City, which, according to > Samknows, is 21Cn enabled as of today. > > They're not the cheapest, but i believe Broadband is now very much > "you get what you pay for", and above all I need a reliable, > unexciting provider, so I can have a boring life just like Ken! > > Robbie > > On 20 Jan 2010, at 10:45, G.Howells wrote: > > Hi Robbie. > > I've been having duplicate bunches of emails via f2s on and off for > some weeks now. > I was getting a bit fed up, too. > When I heard that Talk Talk was taking over Tiscali (which had taken > iover Pipex inc f2s) I tried their web site to see what they offered. > Someone (who didn't know what f2s was) phoned me back and eventually > after taking the service bit by bit and telling me how cheap it was, > etc., produced some extra charge out of the blue. The conversation > ended when I said "WHAT you mean is that for the same speed you'll > give me more download capacity which I don't need, you won't give me > free calls during the day, which I get at the moment, and you charge > me considerably more per month. At which p[oint he simply wished me a > good day and said goodbye. > I'm still not sure how TalkTalk "up to 6" speed is better that f2s "Up > to 8" ! > > Gordon > > > >> After having no incoming mail at all yesterday, I'm now being flooded >> with duplicates of previously downloaded messages. (500+ so far) >> Anyone else experiencing the same? >> >> (This has happened as I have been planning to move the domain as I've >> had enough - do you think they may have found out and are punishing >> me? >> >> :-) >> >> Robbie >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From lizbarnard at btinternet.com Wed Jan 20 13:23:49 2010 From: lizbarnard at btinternet.com (Liz) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:23:49 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Calling all f2s users In-Reply-To: Message-ID: free calls during the day, which I get at the moment, Wow! Tell me more Gordon! Liz From macman at f2s.com Wed Jan 20 13:46:02 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:46:02 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Calling all f2s users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59D9678F-1C47-422D-A71D-1A537BC1C470@f2s.com> Well according to their website: "We're full of bright ideas" Surely that has to be the clincher! :-) Robbie On 20 Jan 2010, at 13:23, Liz wrote: free calls during the day, which I get at the moment, Wow! Tell me more Gordon! Liz _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Robbie Murray 01603 620749 01603 516175 07882 007667 macman at f2s.com From turrethouse at talktalk.net Wed Jan 20 14:43:09 2010 From: turrethouse at talktalk.net (hugh morgan) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:43:09 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Performa 450 outfit 1994 Message-ID: I have this lot to dispose of for a friend. If anyone wants it, please collect! (Otherwise it's the dump I suppose). Friend says the hard drive was A/F and it is has been removed and is not present. Performa 450 HQ 4/20 Serial No. CK3511QM/OY New from Jarrolds 30/03/1994. One fussy owner. With keyboard, mouse, all original cables, system discs (floppies), handbooks, etc etc. and with a Stylewriter II said to be in g.w.o. also with discs, handbook etc Hugh Morgan, at Wymondham. From ghowells at f2s.com Wed Jan 20 14:53:10 2010 From: ghowells at f2s.com (G.Howells) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:53:10 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Calling all f2s users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Liz. I have been with f2s for quite a long time. In summer 2007 they offered me 500 minutes of free anytime phone calls per month (not including 0845 calls, etc) just for the accepting, which I did, and I have been having them ever since.It was called "Freedom to Talk" (as the ISP is "Freedom to Surf".) If you felt that 500 mins wasn't enough you could have 3,000 mins for ?4-99 a month. This offer was available only to their Broadband customers. It might be worth a phone call to them but unfortunately I can't find any reference to this on their website or Terms and Conditions at the moment so perhaps they've withdrawn the offer to new customers. Let me know if you have any luck. Their website is www.f2s.com However, I'm still getting the free 500 mins/month. I just hope that I, and others like me, are in some hidden corner of their computer system that they've forgotten about, especially as Talk Talk, who have apparently taken them over, seem to say that although many customers will pay less after the takeover, some will pay more. As others have said, f2s was a good little ISP for those who wanted mainly to surf the net rather than download or play games, but has had its ups and downs since the series of takeovers began. Gordon. >free calls during the day, which I get at the moment, > >Wow! Tell me more Gordon! > >Liz > >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From tom at tomkershaw.com Wed Jan 20 15:47:00 2010 From: tom at tomkershaw.com (Tom Kershaw) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:47:00 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Performa 450 outfit 1994 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B572574.5020009@tomkershaw.com> When did the old Jarrolds 'Apple Centre' close down, near a more recent health club if I recall correctly? Tom hugh morgan wrote: > I have this lot to dispose of for a friend. If anyone wants it, > please collect! (Otherwise it's the dump I suppose). Friend says > the hard drive was A/F and it is has been removed and is not present. > > Performa 450 HQ 4/20 Serial No. CK3511QM/OY > New from Jarrolds 30/03/1994. One fussy owner. > > With keyboard, mouse, all original cables, system discs (floppies), > handbooks, etc etc. and with a Stylewriter II said to be in g.w.o. > also with discs, handbook etc > > Hugh Morgan, at Wymondham. > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From turrethouse at talktalk.net Wed Jan 20 16:04:13 2010 From: turrethouse at talktalk.net (hugh morgan) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:04:13 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Performa 450 outfit 1994 In-Reply-To: <4B572574.5020009@tomkershaw.com> References: <4B572574.5020009@tomkershaw.com> Message-ID: No idea but I bough my own Performa from them in Barrack Street at about the same time. >When did the old Jarrolds 'Apple Centre' close down, near a more recent >health club if I recall correctly? > >Tom > >hugh morgan wrote: > > I have this lot to dispose of for a friend. If anyone wants it, From macman at f2s.com Wed Jan 20 16:21:33 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:21:33 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Performa 450 outfit 1994 In-Reply-To: <4B572574.5020009@tomkershaw.com> References: <4B572574.5020009@tomkershaw.com> Message-ID: <38551951-84CD-4753-908D-020E86C94676@f2s.com> They lost the Apple franchise a long time ago - probably about the mid 90s, but continued to sell PCs at the Barrack street site until they sold the business, and the building was finally demolished a couple of years ago. My first computer was their Apple 2c demonstrator, bought 2nd hand in 1984 - I still have it, and it still works. Robbie On 20 Jan 2010, at 15:47, Tom Kershaw wrote: When did the old Jarrolds 'Apple Centre' close down, near a more recent health club if I recall correctly? Tom hugh morgan wrote: > I have this lot to dispose of for a friend. If anyone wants it, > please collect! (Otherwise it's the dump I suppose). Friend says > the hard drive was A/F and it is has been removed and is not present. > > Performa 450 HQ 4/20 Serial No. CK3511QM/OY > New from Jarrolds 30/03/1994. One fussy owner. > > With keyboard, mouse, all original cables, system discs (floppies), > handbooks, etc etc. and with a Stylewriter II said to be in g.w.o. > also with discs, handbook etc > > Hugh Morgan, at Wymondham. > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Robbie Murray 01603 620749 01603 516175 07882 007667 macman at f2s.com From june.perrett at mac.com Wed Jan 20 19:38:22 2010 From: june.perrett at mac.com (June Perrett) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:38:22 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Re- A5 leaflets Message-ID: NMUGgers to the rescue! Thank you Gordon for explaining how I can overcome the problem of uneven side borders with the A5 leaflets. I will have a go later on. Kind regards June (Perrett) From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Wed Jan 20 19:47:26 2010 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:47:26 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Bondi Blue iMac Message-ID: Thanks Paul and Robbie, Battery now fitted, I was a bit frightened of breaking the plastic back when pulling it off ( most plastics become brittle with age). Ken From macman at f2s.com Wed Jan 20 21:25:26 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:25:26 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Bondi Blue iMac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm getting that way myself, Ken! Robbie On 20 Jan 2010, at 19:47, Ken Arnoldi wrote: ( most plastics become brittle with age). Ken _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From djr.massy at ntlworld.com Wed Jan 20 23:00:01 2010 From: djr.massy at ntlworld.com (DJR Massy) Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:00:01 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Old Apple keyboards Message-ID: <3F9CC57B-A8F7-40B5-BDEC-18B753B0FDBB@ntlworld.com> A friend of mine was given four Apple keyboards + mice, dating from around 1998. They are pre-USB. He is reluctant to bin them in case anyone would like to have them. Does anyone have any interest? Regards, Jim. From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk Thu Jan 21 10:30:15 2010 From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:30:15 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Performa 450 outfit 1994 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Have you tried freecycle? Michael Woodhouse mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ On 20 Jan 2010, at 14:43, hugh morgan wrote: > I have this lot to dispose of for a friend. If anyone wants it, > please collect! (Otherwise it's the dump I suppose). Friend says > the hard drive was A/F and it is has been removed and is not present. > > Performa 450 HQ 4/20 Serial No. CK3511QM/OY > New from Jarrolds 30/03/1994. One fussy owner. > > With keyboard, mouse, all original cables, system discs (floppies), > handbooks, etc etc. and with a Stylewriter II said to be in g.w.o. > also with discs, handbook etc > > Hugh Morgan, at Wymondham. > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From lizbarnard at btinternet.com Thu Jan 21 11:09:04 2010 From: lizbarnard at btinternet.com (Liz) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:09:04 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Calling all f2s users Message-ID: Thanks Gordon, I?ll follow that up. By the way, is the training group meeting as usual on the second saturday of the month? Liz From ricnev at mac.com Thu Jan 21 11:33:13 2010 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:33:13 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Calling all f2s users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3C647547-2698-4DA0-BDD9-D69DB132BA1B@mac.com> Hopefully - if the weather is clement and I stay fit. I have nothing specific planned as yet for the meeting - anyone got any particular interests or projects they want to discuss or should I continue to develop the Photoshop Elements theme? On 21 Jan 2010, at 11:09, Liz wrote: > By the way, is the training group meeting as usual on the second saturday of > the month? Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From ricnev at mac.com Thu Jan 21 11:36:18 2010 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:36:18 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] February Saturday Session - Was Re: Calling all f2s users In-Reply-To: <3C647547-2698-4DA0-BDD9-D69DB132BA1B@mac.com> References: <3C647547-2698-4DA0-BDD9-D69DB132BA1B@mac.com> Message-ID: <4CFD7AED-56E4-4008-92DD-69C7B08AF290@mac.com> Sorry - should have changed the subject. On 21 Jan 2010, at 11:33, Richard Nevill wrote: > Hopefully - if the weather is clement and I stay fit. > > I have nothing specific planned as yet for the meeting - anyone got any particular interests or projects they want to discuss or should I continue to develop the Photoshop Elements theme? > > > On 21 Jan 2010, at 11:09, Liz wrote: > >> By the way, is the training group meeting as usual on the second saturday of >> the month? > Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From ghowells at f2s.com Thu Jan 21 11:35:32 2010 From: ghowells at f2s.com (G.Howells) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:35:32 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Calling all f2s users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Liz. Sorry; I don't know. I now live in North Wales and it's a bit far to come to meetings! \ Perhaps someone else will answer your query. As I was about to press "send" another email from Richard arrived which seems to answer your question! Gordon. >Thanks Gordon, I'll follow that up. > >By the way, is the training group meeting as usual on the second saturday of >the month? > >Liz >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From dale at ukonline.co.uk Thu Jan 21 12:40:09 2010 From: dale at ukonline.co.uk (Dale Wright) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:40:09 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Performa 450 outfit 1994 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 20/1/10 14:43, "hugh morgan" wrote: > I have this lot to dispose of for a friend. If anyone wants it, > please collect! (Otherwise it's the dump I suppose). Friend says > the hard drive was A/F and it is has been removed and is not present. > > Performa 450 HQ 4/20 Serial No. CK3511QM/OY If no one else what's this, I'll take the lot off your hands! Hate to see this lot go to a dump etc! Collect Retro Apple stuff in any case :-) Will come & collect this weekend if that's ok with you? ATB..Dale A CoCo the Clown Production. [ Spooky RIP 1988-2007 :-( ] From robharrington at mac.com Thu Jan 21 13:08:24 2010 From: robharrington at mac.com (Rob Harrington) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:08:24 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Living in North Wales In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry , but I can't resist it- do you know by chance a Mrs. Trellis? She must be getting on a bit by now.... RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob On 21 Jan 2010, at 11:35, G.Howells wrote: > Hi Liz. > > Sorry; I don't know. I now live in North Wales and it's a bit far to > come to meetings! > \ > Perhaps someone else will answer your query. > As I was about to press "send" another email from Richard arrived > which seems to answer your question! > > Gordon. From macman at f2s.com Thu Jan 21 13:24:31 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:24:31 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Living in North Wales In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I understood she had moved into a retirement home in Mornington Crescent ...... Robbie On 21 Jan 2010, at 13:08, Rob Harrington wrote: Sorry , but I can't resist it- do you know by chance a Mrs. Trellis? She must be getting on a bit by now.... RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob On 21 Jan 2010, at 11:35, G.Howells wrote: > Hi Liz. > > Sorry; I don't know. I now live in North Wales and it's a bit far to > come to meetings! > \ > Perhaps someone else will answer your query. > As I was about to press "send" another email from Richard arrived > which seems to answer your question! > > Gordon. _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Robbie Murray 01603 620749 01603 516175 07882 007667 macman at f2s.com From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu Jan 21 14:27:49 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:27:49 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Living in North Wales In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49EA44EB-ECCB-4FE7-9BA8-8247FAE2813A@durrant.co.uk> Unless you want to announce late arrivals at the Mac Users' show, this is definitely off-topic... Paul On 21 Jan 2010, at 13:24, Robbie Murray wrote: > I understood she had moved into a retirement home in Mornington > Crescent ...... > > On 21 Jan 2010, at 13:08, Rob Harrington wrote: >> Sorry , but I can't resist it- do you know by chance a Mrs. Trellis? >> She must be getting on a bit by now.... From sc at davidviner.com Thu Jan 21 14:39:47 2010 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:39:47 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Living in North Wales In-Reply-To: <49EA44EB-ECCB-4FE7-9BA8-8247FAE2813A@durrant.co.uk> References: <49EA44EB-ECCB-4FE7-9BA8-8247FAE2813A@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <4B586733.3080508@davidviner.com> Mr and Mrs Abyte, and their daughter Meg. Paul Durrant wrote: > Unless you want to announce late arrivals at the Mac Users' show, this > is definitely off-topic... > > Paul > > On 21 Jan 2010, at 13:24, Robbie Murray wrote: > >> I understood she had moved into a retirement home in Mornington >> Crescent ...... >> >> On 21 Jan 2010, at 13:08, Rob Harrington wrote: >> >>> Sorry , but I can't resist it- do you know by chance a Mrs. Trellis? >>> She must be getting on a bit by now.... >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From penguinsplj at me.com Thu Jan 21 14:41:00 2010 From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:41:00 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Living in North Wales In-Reply-To: <49EA44EB-ECCB-4FE7-9BA8-8247FAE2813A@durrant.co.uk> References: <49EA44EB-ECCB-4FE7-9BA8-8247FAE2813A@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <73886CA9-4A5C-4589-BD5E-2CAEB73D1539@me.com> On Jan 21, 2010, at 14:27, Paul Durrant wrote: > Unless you want to announce late arrivals at the Mac Users' show, this > is definitely off-topic... Please welcome the Scottish couple Mr and Mrs Te and their daughter Isla Te. Paul C From macman at f2s.com Thu Jan 21 14:51:50 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:51:50 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Living in North Wales In-Reply-To: <49EA44EB-ECCB-4FE7-9BA8-8247FAE2813A@durrant.co.uk> References: <49EA44EB-ECCB-4FE7-9BA8-8247FAE2813A@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <78043E1A-330A-4F90-9960-54B84FE33701@f2s.com> Sorry, Paul. Does that mean I can introduce Mr & Mrs Light, and their dog Spot? ... and I could offer Mr & Mrs Rosoft and their son Mike, but I won't. I'm off now to show Samantha my big Hard Drive ..... Robbie On 21 Jan 2010, at 14:27, Paul Durrant wrote: Unless you want to announce late arrivals at the Mac Users' show, this is definitely off-topic... Paul On 21 Jan 2010, at 13:24, Robbie Murray wrote: > I understood she had moved into a retirement home in Mornington > Crescent ...... > > On 21 Jan 2010, at 13:08, Rob Harrington wrote: >> Sorry , but I can't resist it- do you know by chance a Mrs. Trellis? >> She must be getting on a bit by now.... _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Robbie Murray 01603 620749 01603 516175 07882 007667 macman at f2s.com From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Fri Jan 22 10:07:07 2010 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:07:07 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Tablet Message-ID: Does anyone remember the TEVION graphics tablets that were on offer at Aldi a few years ago? I bought on but have lost the pen, so before I dump the 'almost new condition' tablet I thought I would ask if anyone wants it ( Collect from Poringland) Regards Martin Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Fri Jan 22 10:24:16 2010 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:24:16 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Tablet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47711E14-390D-479B-8E31-71C8398E1606@virgin.net> Martin, I have one too (with pen and mouse). Don't feel too bad about it as I don't think drivers are available for the more recent Mac OS's Ken Arnoldi On 22 Jan 2010, at 10:07 AM, Martin Fry wrote: > Does anyone remember the TEVION graphics tablets that were on offer at > Aldi a few years ago? > > I bought on but have lost the pen, so before I dump the 'almost new > condition' tablet I thought I would ask if anyone wants it ( Collect > from Poringland) > > Regards > > Martin > > > Martin Fry > www.martinfryphotography.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Fri Jan 22 10:42:58 2010 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 10:42:58 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Tablet In-Reply-To: <47711E14-390D-479B-8E31-71C8398E1606@virgin.net> References: <47711E14-390D-479B-8E31-71C8398E1606@virgin.net> Message-ID: Thanks Ken I'll dump it then! I bought a Wacom Pen & Touch the other day although I've still not played with it much as I am so used to editing my pictures with a mouse that it will take some getting used to! Martin Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com > Martin, > I have one too (with pen and mouse). > Don't feel too bad about it as I don't think drivers are available for > the more recent Mac OS's > >> Does anyone remember the TEVION graphics tablets that were on offer >> at >> Aldi a few years ago? >> >> I bought on but have lost the pen, so before I dump the 'almost new >> condition' tablet I thought I would ask if anyone wants it ( Collect >> from Poringland) >> Regards >> Martin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com Fri Jan 22 17:59:52 2010 From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (Simon Bainbridge) Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:59:52 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Tablet In-Reply-To: References: <47711E14-390D-479B-8E31-71C8398E1606@virgin.net> Message-ID: <592B6592-9402-4B7B-A0F5-ABFD4384A2CA@googlemail.com> I have had a Wacom Pen & Touch for about 6 months now and it is fantastic. I use it with a 3 year old Mac Mini and it's so useful to be able to use the same finger gestures that can be used on the latest Macbook Pro's. I use the pen loads when using another great Mac app called Pixelmator which is a good alternative to Photoshop Elements. The pen & tablet is very presure sensitive so it imitates real pencil & paper very well. I would recomend this device to anyone who wants to be more creative or productive. Simon Bainbridge On 22 Jan 2010, at 10:42, Martin Fry wrote: > > Thanks Ken > > I'll dump it then! > > I bought a Wacom Pen & Touch the other day although I've still not > played with it much as I am so used to editing my pictures with a > mouse that it will take some getting used to! > > Martin > > Martin Fry > www.martinfryphotography.com > > > > > > >> Martin, >> I have one too (with pen and mouse). >> Don't feel too bad about it as I don't think drivers are available >> for >> the more recent Mac OS's >> > >>> Does anyone remember the TEVION graphics tablets that were on offer >>> at >>> Aldi a few years ago? >>> >>> I bought on but have lost the pen, so before I dump the 'almost new >>> condition' tablet I thought I would ask if anyone wants it ( Collect >>> from Poringland) >>> Regards >>> Martin >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > Martin Fry > www.martinfryphotography.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From hidunc at ntlworld.com Sat Jan 23 16:24:09 2010 From: hidunc at ntlworld.com (J L Duncan Bradford) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:24:09 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] NTLworld success! Message-ID: <9092B8AD-8D9D-4034-8ECA-4B19CF97C070@ntlworld.com> After 2 phone calls to NTL re my inability to access the management side of my email account [although I was able to for a while last year] 3rd time I explained, listened to the same spiel [ie 'we'll sort it soon] THEN I asked for a reference number for my case. He excused himself for 5 minutes, came back, gave me a ref no. and said 'if it isn't OK in 24 hours please ring back, quoting no.' No need - it was magically sorted. I guess you have to make them realise you're serious, otherwise they just hope you forget about it. I now have a new email address for each of my lodgers, plus a 'junk' one to give when websites want one in return for signing up, so they can bombard you with spam. -------------- next part -------------- From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Sat Jan 23 17:39:56 2010 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:39:56 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] NTLworld success! In-Reply-To: <9092B8AD-8D9D-4034-8ECA-4B19CF97C070@ntlworld.com> References: <9092B8AD-8D9D-4034-8ECA-4B19CF97C070@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: Hi Duncan I love the idea of this...I think I might do the same Martin Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com plus a 'junk' one to give when websites want one in return for signing up, so they can bombard you with spam. From macman at f2s.com Sat Jan 23 17:59:57 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:59:57 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] NTLworld success! In-Reply-To: References: <9092B8AD-8D9D-4034-8ECA-4B19CF97C070@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <81A68F9B-6690-435A-9E80-E19AC7C3ACA9@f2s.com> It's what hotmail and yahoo were made for! .... and since they're webmail, you don't ever have to see the inboxes ...... Robbie On 23 Jan 2010, at 17:39, Martin Fry wrote: Hi Duncan I love the idea of this...I think I might do the same Martin Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com plus a 'junk' one to give when websites want one in return for signing up, so they can bombard you with spam. From brian at clearlight.uk.net Sat Jan 23 18:00:14 2010 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:00:14 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] NTLworld success! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You can also use http://www.spamgourmet.com all the best Brian Martin Fry said recently: > > Hi Duncan > > I love the idea of this...I think I might do the same > > Martin > > Martin Fry > www.martinfryphotography.com > > > > plus a 'junk' one to give when websites want one in return for signing > up, so they can bombard you with spam. > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From penguinsplj at me.com Sun Jan 24 07:13:27 2010 From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 07:13:27 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] January meeting Message-ID: <1A272F27-A3BC-4F63-8920-BEE9FC7A0F51@me.com> The next meeting will be on the 27th January 2010 that being the fourth Wednesday of the month. It will be held at The Quebec in a separate room from the bar and will be from 7.30. Quebec 93-97 Quebec Road Norwich NR1 4HY Here is a link to a map. See you all there Paul C From mghc.repps at virgin.net Sun Jan 24 11:25:19 2010 From: mghc.repps at virgin.net (Michael Crook) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:25:19 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Microsoft Excel formulae In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5B25B894-22F6-4C5C-BE9F-19CC7F6DBA5D@virgin.net> Please can someone help me with Microsoft Excel formulae? I'm using a spreadsheet and want to add a column of figures on lines 8 to 56 but excluding those on lines 40 and 41. The clearly incorrect formula that I'm using is: =SUM((H8:H39)+(H42:H56)) The result shows as: Hash VALUE! Where am I going wrong? From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk Sun Jan 24 11:36:26 2010 From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:36:26 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Microsoft Excel formulae In-Reply-To: <5B25B894-22F6-4C5C-BE9F-19CC7F6DBA5D@virgin.net> References: <5B25B894-22F6-4C5C-BE9F-19CC7F6DBA5D@virgin.net> Message-ID: Try =SUM(D5:D11)+SUM(D14:D21) Substitute your cells. OK? Michael Woodhouse mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ On 24 Jan 2010, at 11:25, Michael Crook wrote: > Please can someone help me with Microsoft Excel formulae? > > I'm using a spreadsheet and want to add a column of figures on lines 8 > to 56 but excluding those on lines 40 and 41. > > The clearly incorrect formula that I'm using is: > =SUM((H8:H39)+(H42:H56)) > > The result shows as: Hash VALUE! > > Where am I going wrong? > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Sun Jan 24 11:41:08 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 11:41:08 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Microsoft Excel formulae In-Reply-To: <5B25B894-22F6-4C5C-BE9F-19CC7F6DBA5D@virgin.net> References: <5B25B894-22F6-4C5C-BE9F-19CC7F6DBA5D@virgin.net> Message-ID: <6AEBCABA-2EC0-4130-8B3D-1AD3F58B3877@f2s.com> Have you tried =SUM(H8:H39)+SUM(H42:H56) Robbie On 24 Jan 2010, at 11:25, Michael Crook wrote: Please can someone help me with Microsoft Excel formulae? I'm using a spreadsheet and want to add a column of figures on lines 8 to 56 but excluding those on lines 40 and 41. The clearly incorrect formula that I'm using is: =SUM((H8:H39)+(H42:H56)) The result shows as: Hash VALUE! Where am I going wrong? _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Robbie Murray 01603 620749 01603 516175 07882 007667 macman at f2s.com From mghc.repps at virgin.net Sun Jan 24 12:24:31 2010 From: mghc.repps at virgin.net (Michael Crook) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:24:31 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Microsoft Excel formulae In-Reply-To: <5B25B894-22F6-4C5C-BE9F-19CC7F6DBA5D@virgin.net> References: <5B25B894-22F6-4C5C-BE9F-19CC7F6DBA5D@virgin.net> Message-ID: <6465513E-B993-4FA9-844B-BCD62101289E@virgin.net> Many thanks to Michael Woodhouse and Robbie Murray for their instant responses. Problem solved! - Michael. On 24 Jan 2010, at 11:25, Michael Crook wrote: > Please can someone help me with Microsoft Excel formulae? > > I'm using a spreadsheet and want to add a column of figures on lines 8 > to 56 but excluding those on lines 40 and 41. > > The clearly incorrect formula that I'm using is: > =SUM((H8:H39)+(H42:H56)) > > The result shows as: Hash VALUE! > > Where am I going wrong? > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From philcharnley at me.com Sun Jan 24 13:24:24 2010 From: philcharnley at me.com (Phil Charnley) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:24:24 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Airport Message-ID: Is it possible for an airport card to start malfunctioning? I have a white intel 13" macbook running SL. Its fitted with an Airport Extreme card. When I open the MacBook it connects to one of my wifi networks but after a couple of minutes the connection is lost and then it won't "see" any wifi network. Turning airport off and on does not help and neither does re-booting the macbook. This has been happening for the last three days. Its not the networks as my iPhone still sees them with no problem. Thanks Phil -------------- next part -------------- From hidunc at ntlworld.com Sun Jan 24 14:21:39 2010 From: hidunc at ntlworld.com (J L Duncan Bradford) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:21:39 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Windows needed Message-ID: <14DA6319-E636-4932-B91C-EB27ED09EDFA@ntlworld.com> OK shoot me down, but... A needy friend needs a genuine copy of Windows XP. Is it legal to buy a copy no longer in use from someone who has upgraded to, say, Vista or 7? Like you can with the Mac OS? He really doesn't have the money to buy a new copy, and isn't very PC- savvy. He thinks you can't do this legally, and is trying, without success, to get Linux to work. Duncan From ricnev at mac.com Sun Jan 24 14:34:53 2010 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:34:53 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Windows needed In-Reply-To: <14DA6319-E636-4932-B91C-EB27ED09EDFA@ntlworld.com> References: <14DA6319-E636-4932-B91C-EB27ED09EDFA@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: In my opinion it is always best to try to be as legal as possible with operating systems. Microsoft employ(ed) a lot of very clever people to make XP, and they all are due their just rewards for the effort they put into it. I got one of these recently - proper legal pack, no worries and not a lot of money for that peace of mind: http://tinyurl.com/ye9cmt7 On 24 Jan 2010, at 14:21, J L Duncan Bradford wrote: > OK shoot me down, but... > A needy friend needs a genuine copy of Windows XP. Is it legal to > buy a copy no longer in use from someone who has upgraded to, say, > Vista or 7? Like you can with the Mac OS? > He really doesn't have the money to buy a new copy, and isn't very PC- > savvy. He thinks you can't do this legally, and is trying, without > success, to get Linux to work. > Duncan > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From ricnev at mac.com Sun Jan 24 16:10:43 2010 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 16:10:43 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Windows needed In-Reply-To: <14DA6319-E636-4932-B91C-EB27ED09EDFA@ntlworld.com> References: <14DA6319-E636-4932-B91C-EB27ED09EDFA@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <3FA54153-0DCF-4C20-B541-CF55B6878B01@mac.com> What version of Linux is he trying to install and on what computer? Current versions of Ubuntu Linux should be easy to install on almost any recent standard (!) PC, i.e. comprised of reputably branded components less than five years old. Any system using components much older than this could be at increasing risk of board-level component failure (often power supply capacitors). What problems does you friend have with his attempts to install Linux? On 24 Jan 2010, at 14:21, J L Duncan Bradford wrote: > is trying, without > success, to get Linux to work. From paul at durrant.co.uk Sun Jan 24 17:25:40 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 17:25:40 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Airport In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It sounds like a hardware problem (perhaps heat related). Is it in warranty? regards, Paul On 24 Jan 2010, at 13:24, Phil Charnley wrote: > Is it possible for an airport card to start malfunctioning? > > I have a white intel 13" macbook running SL. Its fitted with an > Airport Extreme card. > When I open the MacBook it connects to one of my wifi networks but > after a couple of minutes the connection is lost and then it won't > "see" any wifi network. Turning airport off and on does not help and > neither does re-booting the macbook. > This has been happening for the last three days. > Its not the networks as my iPhone still sees them with no problem. From philcharnley at me.com Sun Jan 24 18:17:08 2010 From: philcharnley at me.com (Phil Charnley) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:17:08 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Airport In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Paul Astonishingly I bought it from John Lewis on 13.2.08 so have a two year warranty with only three weeks left to run. I will take it in immediately! Is this a record? Phil On 24 Jan 2010, at 17:25:40, Paul Durrant wrote: > It sounds like a hardware problem (perhaps heat related). Is it in > warranty? > > regards, > > Paul > > On 24 Jan 2010, at 13:24, Phil Charnley wrote: > >> Is it possible for an airport card to start malfunctioning? >> >> I have a white intel 13" macbook running SL. Its fitted with an >> Airport Extreme card. >> When I open the MacBook it connects to one of my wifi networks but >> after a couple of minutes the connection is lost and then it won't >> "see" any wifi network. Turning airport off and on does not help and >> neither does re-booting the macbook. >> This has been happening for the last three days. >> Its not the networks as my iPhone still sees them with no problem. > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug -------------- next part -------------- From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Sun Jan 24 18:24:15 2010 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:24:15 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Airport In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <84823FC2-7985-4ABE-A0F0-601AE6C9293C@virgin.net> Hello Phil, I shall be interested to hear how you get on at JL as I have an iMac with their 2 year guarantee, Ken Arnoldi On 24 Jan 2010, at 06:17 PM, Phil Charnley wrote: > Hi Paul > > Astonishingly I bought it from John Lewis on 13.2.08 so have a two > year warranty with only three weeks left to run. I will take it in > immediately! Is this a record? > > Phil > > > On 24 Jan 2010, at 17:25:40, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> It sounds like a hardware problem (perhaps heat related). Is it in >> warranty? >> >> regards, >> >> Paul >> >> On 24 Jan 2010, at 13:24, Phil Charnley wrote: >> >>> Is it possible for an airport card to start malfunctioning? >>> >>> I have a white intel 13" macbook running SL. Its fitted with an >>> Airport Extreme card. >>> When I open the MacBook it connects to one of my wifi networks but >>> after a couple of minutes the connection is lost and then it won't >>> "see" any wifi network. Turning airport off and on does not help and >>> neither does re-booting the macbook. >>> This has been happening for the last three days. >>> Its not the networks as my iPhone still sees them with no problem. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ricnev at mac.com Mon Jan 25 00:04:25 2010 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:04:25 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] February 13th. Saturday Session In-Reply-To: <4CFD7AED-56E4-4008-92DD-69C7B08AF290@mac.com> References: <3C647547-2698-4DA0-BDD9-D69DB132BA1B@mac.com> <4CFD7AED-56E4-4008-92DD-69C7B08AF290@mac.com> Message-ID: As I have now got an OU tutorial to go to on the 13th. February I will not be available to run the session. I have had no response to my email dated 21/1/2010. If anybody has suggestions for alternative arrangements, including what in particular they would like to do, please email me. > On 21 Jan 2010, at 11:33, Richard Nevill wrote: > >> Hopefully - if the weather is clement and I stay fit. >> >> I have nothing specific planned as yet for the meeting - anyone got any particular interests or projects they want to discuss or should I continue to develop the Photoshop Elements theme? >> >> >> On 21 Jan 2010, at 11:09, Liz wrote: >> >>> By the way, is the training group meeting as usual on the second saturday of >>> the month? > Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From band1 at mac.com Mon Jan 25 00:13:07 2010 From: band1 at mac.com (David King) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:13:07 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] February 13th. Saturday Session In-Reply-To: References: <3C647547-2698-4DA0-BDD9-D69DB132BA1B@mac.com> <4CFD7AED-56E4-4008-92DD-69C7B08AF290@mac.com> Message-ID: <3EE90D4B-5764-4695-9C88-D98C63B6036D@mac.com> I would certainly like to come to a PE session if there is one although February Saturdays are not that good for me. David On 25 Jan 2010, at 00:04, Richard Nevill wrote: > > As I have now got an OU tutorial to go to on the 13th. February I will not be available to run the session. > > I have had no response to my email dated 21/1/2010. > > If anybody has suggestions for alternative arrangements, including what in particular they would like to do, please email me. > > > >> On 21 Jan 2010, at 11:33, Richard Nevill wrote: >> >>> Hopefully - if the weather is clement and I stay fit. >>> >>> I have nothing specific planned as yet for the meeting - anyone got any particular interests or projects they want to discuss or should I continue to develop the Photoshop Elements theme? >>> >>> >>> On 21 Jan 2010, at 11:09, Liz wrote: >>> >>>> By the way, is the training group meeting as usual on the second saturday of >>>> the month? >> > > Richard Nevill > ricnev at mac.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From minkennison at mac.com Mon Jan 25 10:35:24 2010 From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:35:24 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] February 13th. Saturday Session In-Reply-To: <3EE90D4B-5764-4695-9C88-D98C63B6036D@mac.com> References: <3C647547-2698-4DA0-BDD9-D69DB132BA1B@mac.com> <4CFD7AED-56E4-4008-92DD-69C7B08AF290@mac.com> <3EE90D4B-5764-4695-9C88-D98C63B6036D@mac.com> Message-ID: I had intended to go to the Saturday session.As Richard cannot go I would be prepared to bring my projector if anyone wants to run the course for us. However - I do not have a portable screen Min M On 25 Jan 2010, at 00:1325 Jan 2010, David King wrote: > I would certainly like to come to a PE session if there is one although February Saturdays are not that good for me. > > David > > > On 25 Jan 2010, at 00:04, Richard Nevill wrote: > >> >> As I have now got an OU tutorial to go to on the 13th. February I will not be available to run the session. >> >> I have had no response to my email dated 21/1/2010. >> >> If anybody has suggestions for alternative arrangements, including what in particular they would like to do, please email me. >> >> >> >>> On 21 Jan 2010, at 11:33, Richard Nevill wrote: >>> >>>> Hopefully - if the weather is clement and I stay fit. >>>> >>>> I have nothing specific planned as yet for the meeting - anyone got any particular interests or projects they want to discuss or should I continue to develop the Photoshop Elements theme? >>>> >>>> >>>> On 21 Jan 2010, at 11:09, Liz wrote: >>>> >>>>> By the way, is the training group meeting as usual on the second saturday of >>>>> the month? >>> >> >> Richard Nevill >> ricnev at mac.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From penguinsplj at me.com Mon Jan 25 11:24:33 2010 From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:24:33 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Batch changing of files query Message-ID: In the last year or three I have been working my way through our old slides and negatives and scanning them all into the computer. I don't usually use iPhoto but Sarah does and the other day she tried to import a folder of scans of old glass black and white negatives to view them. Only a few were showing up properly though and most showed a thumbnail which was black and when viewed as a single picture the brightness was bizarre. I tried it on my computer and got the same results. Opening these problem files in PhotoShop or Preview gave no problems at all so I asked on another list and was told that iPhoto has always had a problem with images saved in greyscale. I opened one up in PhotoShop, converted to RGB and saved it. This imported and now showed up fine in iPhoto. I have seen others ask about changing files in a batch but never really took it in as I didn't see where I would need it but now it would be useful to be able to change all these scans from greyscale to RGB without having to do it individually as there are a few hundred of them. I would probably still keep the original greyscale files as I believe they print out better than black and white photos saved as RGB and then printed. I have a feeling that the word 'script' is going to appear in any answer so if it does could you please assume I know nothing about them! Paul C From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Mon Jan 25 11:36:45 2010 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:36:45 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Batch changing of files query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Paul You can make an action in P/shop and in File/Batch click on that action and the folder of images you wish to convert and sit back and let it run...Easy Martin > In the last year or three I have been working my way through our old > slides and negatives and scanning them all into the computer. I don't > usually use iPhoto but Sarah does and the other day she tried to > import a folder of scans of old glass black and white negatives to > view them. Only a few were showing up properly though and most showed > a thumbnail which was black and when viewed as a single picture the > brightness was bizarre. I tried it on my computer and got the same > results. Opening these problem files in PhotoShop or Preview gave no > problems at all so I asked on another list and was told that iPhoto > has always had a problem with images saved in greyscale. I opened one > up in PhotoShop, converted to RGB and saved it. This imported and now > showed up fine in iPhoto. > > I have seen others ask about changing files in a batch but never > really took it in as I didn't see where I would need it but now it > would be useful to be able to change all these scans from greyscale to > RGB without having to do it individually as there are a few hundred of > them. I would probably still keep the original greyscale files as I > believe they print out better than black and white photos saved as RGB > and then printed. I have a feeling that the word 'script' is going to > appear in any answer so if it does could you please assume I know > nothing about them! > > Paul C > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com From stairbooks at yahoo.co.uk Mon Jan 25 11:49:58 2010 From: stairbooks at yahoo.co.uk (Stair) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:49:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [NMUG] February 13th. Saturday Session In-Reply-To: References: <3C647547-2698-4DA0-BDD9-D69DB132BA1B@mac.com> <4CFD7AED-56E4-4008-92DD-69C7B08AF290@mac.com> Message-ID: <450008.80038.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Richard and all, I had and still have the 13th pencilled in for a Photoshop Elements exploration if anyone is interested in running it. Sorry for not replying to the earlier thread Richard. I just felt I generally wanted to turn up and understand the basics first and ask appropriate questions at the event. Best wishes, Stair ________________________________ From: Richard Nevill To: Norwich Mac User Group list Sent: Mon, 25 January, 2010 0:04:25 Subject: Re: [NMUG] February 13th. Saturday Session As I have now got an OU tutorial to go to on the 13th. February I will not be available to run the session. I have had no response to my email dated 21/1/2010. If anybody has suggestions for alternative arrangements, including what in particular they would like to do, please email me. > On 21 Jan 2010, at 11:33, Richard Nevill wrote: > >> Hopefully - if the weather is clement and I stay fit. >> >> I have nothing specific planned as yet for the meeting - anyone got any particular interests or projects they want to discuss or should I continue to develop the Photoshop Elements theme? >> >> >> On 21 Jan 2010, at 11:09, Liz wrote: >> >>> By the way, is the training group meeting as usual on the second saturday of >>> the month? > Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From brian at clearlight.uk.net Mon Jan 25 11:53:48 2010 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:53:48 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Batch changing of files query In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Photoshop Have a candidate ready to convert. New action from actions pallet - name it. click the record button. Select image mode - rgb ok save as. Save to location. close. Stop action. Now that action can be used manually from the pallet, or using an assigned shortcut - or chosen in the batch command. If you do not want to overwrite files you have to pay attention to the save and location. TEST it carefully before running. Actually for this Graphic Converter is probably a lot easier. hope this helps Have a play and see it at work. Very useful. regards Brian Paul Chapman said recently: > In the last year or three I have been working my way through our old > slides and negatives and scanning them all into the computer. I don't > usually use iPhoto but Sarah does and the other day she tried to > import a folder of scans of old glass black and white negatives to > view them. Only a few were showing up properly though and most showed > a thumbnail which was black and when viewed as a single picture the > brightness was bizarre. I tried it on my computer and got the same > results. Opening these problem files in PhotoShop or Preview gave no > problems at all so I asked on another list and was told that iPhoto > has always had a problem with images saved in greyscale. I opened one > up in PhotoShop, converted to RGB and saved it. This imported and now > showed up fine in iPhoto. > > I have seen others ask about changing files in a batch but never > really took it in as I didn't see where I would need it but now it > would be useful to be able to change all these scans from greyscale to > RGB without having to do it individually as there are a few hundred of > them. I would probably still keep the original greyscale files as I > believe they print out better than black and white photos saved as RGB > and then printed. I have a feeling that the word 'script' is going to > appear in any answer so if it does could you please assume I know > nothing about them! > > Paul C > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From andrew at acetuk.com Mon Jan 25 12:39:25 2010 From: andrew at acetuk.com (Andrew Forde) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:39:25 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Windows needed Message-ID: <2275408A-3CBD-42F5-B6E5-CB57411A0E60@acetuk.com> My belief is that as long as the copy of Windows being purchased is genuine and retail (ie not OEM) then you can sell on an unwanted copy as long as the serial number is also sold (which obviously you will need to install it). The copy needs to not be installed on any other PC for this to be ok. When activating the copy your friend will probably find that the initial activation will fail and he will need follow the prompts in Windows to get the activation to work (calling a number, following the automated prompts etc). From paul at durrant.co.uk Mon Jan 25 13:34:35 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:34:35 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Batch changing of files query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39EF2228-057A-442C-BAE3-6B0DD9122368@durrant.co.uk> On 25 Jan 2010, at 11:24, Paul Chapman wrote: > I have seen others ask about changing files in a batch but never > really took it in as I didn't see where I would need it but now it > would be useful to be able to change all these scans from greyscale to > RGB without having to do it individually GraphicConverter ($34.95 shareware) will do that. There's a Convert & Modify... menu item that brings up a batch processing window. http://www.lemkesoft.com/ regards, Paul From gill at cerise.org.uk Mon Jan 25 17:01:05 2010 From: gill at cerise.org.uk (Gill Seyfang) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:01:05 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] foolproof simple broadband or dial-up internet? Message-ID: <28F1C0E5-A323-4BDD-9852-5BEE719325C7@cerise.org.uk> Hi everyone, I'm setting up an old Mac as an idiot-proof internet-only machine for some elderly friends, and am a bit daunted by the choice of broadband options etc available, as I need them to get something that's foolproof and simple. Also the Mac doesn't have wireless. Any recommendations? The 2001 iMac comes with an internal modem - is dial-up internet an option these days? does anyone know a good ISP for this? is the internet usable on those speeds? thanks, Gill From paul at durrant.co.uk Mon Jan 25 17:16:30 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:16:30 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] foolproof simple broadband or dial-up internet? In-Reply-To: <28F1C0E5-A323-4BDD-9852-5BEE719325C7@cerise.org.uk> References: <28F1C0E5-A323-4BDD-9852-5BEE719325C7@cerise.org.uk> Message-ID: <43D7732C-2268-4D8B-9587-3113931753C0@durrant.co.uk> Hi Gill, Don't get them dial-up. It's painfully slow for anything except text- only email. Broadband is easy - you just need any broadband that supports Ethernet. That means either a package where you supply your own ADSL Modem with an ethernet port, or where the supplied ADLS model has an ethernet port. Don't get one with USB, even if they claim Mac compatibility. Judging how much data is needed for the broadband package is tricky. If they get into iPlayer and the other on-line video sources, they could get through a lot. OTOH, just a little web browsing and email wouldn't tax even the smallest package. Perhaps get them one with a small limit, and upgrade if they need it. regards, Paul On 25 Jan 2010, at 17:01, Gill Seyfang wrote: > > I'm setting up an old Mac as an idiot-proof internet-only machine for > some elderly friends, and am a bit daunted by the choice of broadband > options etc available, as I need them to get something that's > foolproof and simple. Also the Mac doesn't have wireless. Any > recommendations? > > The 2001 iMac comes with an internal modem - is dial-up internet an > option these days? does anyone know a good ISP for this? is the > internet usable on those speeds? From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk Mon Jan 25 17:17:24 2010 From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:17:24 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] foolproof simple broadband or dial-up internet? In-Reply-To: <28F1C0E5-A323-4BDD-9852-5BEE719325C7@cerise.org.uk> References: <28F1C0E5-A323-4BDD-9852-5BEE719325C7@cerise.org.uk> Message-ID: <0DE3C042-E85D-46EC-8E08-8FFB844DE728@freeflightsupplies.co.uk> I had a 2001 IMac on dial up. I replaced it a couple of years back with a new IMac. Two years ago it was becoming a slow labourious activity and it would often simply hang and then drop out, both on e- mail and the web. I would think pretty well without exception web sites now expect broad band interface and things could be very slow at best. With e-mail the situation might not be as bad except if your friends suddenly get a lot of spam then the line could be held up for some little time. Michael Woodhouse mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ On 25 Jan 2010, at 17:01, Gill Seyfang wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm setting up an old Mac as an idiot-proof internet-only machine for > some elderly friends, and am a bit daunted by the choice of broadband > options etc available, as I need them to get something that's > foolproof and simple. Also the Mac doesn't have wireless. Any > recommendations? > > The 2001 iMac comes with an internal modem - is dial-up internet an > option these days? does anyone know a good ISP for this? is the > internet usable on those speeds? > > thanks, Gill > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Mon Jan 25 17:23:32 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:23:32 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] foolproof simple broadband or dial-up internet? In-Reply-To: <28F1C0E5-A323-4BDD-9852-5BEE719325C7@cerise.org.uk> References: <28F1C0E5-A323-4BDD-9852-5BEE719325C7@cerise.org.uk> Message-ID: <2E27FB53-1E7F-48C7-9766-60014DDE61E6@f2s.com> http://tinyurl.com/yz8ch45 If they're not in a hurry to see it load - I did it for my mother in law, but couldn't bear to watch it crawling along. Also, there's all that connect/disconnect business, which is much more confusing than always on ADSL (I eventually gave up with mother in law) If they're not planning to watch everything on iPlayer, (or download loads of porn...) , some of the ADSL deals are really inexpensive - there are one or two at ?5.99 p.m - even with a free modem/router, e.g http://tinyurl.com/y9obglf But it's not easy to persuade them! Robbie On 25 Jan 2010, at 17:01, Gill Seyfang wrote: Hi everyone, I'm setting up an old Mac as an idiot-proof internet-only machine for some elderly friends, and am a bit daunted by the choice of broadband options etc available, as I need them to get something that's foolproof and simple. Also the Mac doesn't have wireless. Any recommendations? The 2001 iMac comes with an internal modem - is dial-up internet an option these days? does anyone know a good ISP for this? is the internet usable on those speeds? thanks, Gill _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Robbie Murray 01603 620749 01603 516175 07882 007667 macman at f2s.com From ricnev at mac.com Mon Jan 25 18:06:48 2010 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:06:48 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] foolproof simple broadband or dial-up internet? In-Reply-To: <2E27FB53-1E7F-48C7-9766-60014DDE61E6@f2s.com> References: <28F1C0E5-A323-4BDD-9852-5BEE719325C7@cerise.org.uk> <2E27FB53-1E7F-48C7-9766-60014DDE61E6@f2s.com> Message-ID: <175333BB-32CF-4977-8304-73F4436EF10A@mac.com> On 25 Jan 2010, at 17:23, Robbie Murray wrote: > some of the ADSL deals are really inexpensive - > there are one or two at ?5.99 p.m - even with a free modem/router, > e.g > > http://tinyurl.com/y9obglf I would agree that Plusnet offer a good service and a good deal, but be aware that the ?5.99 a month goes up to ?11.99 after three months if you are not in a Plusnet 'low cost' area. On a positive note, their wireless modem can be used a wire (ethernet cable) if you don't want to set up wireless networking. > On 25 Jan 2010, at 17:01, Gill Seyfang wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I'm setting up an old Mac as an idiot-proof internet-only machine for > some elderly friends, and am a bit daunted by the choice of broadband > options etc available, as I need them to get something that's > foolproof and simple. Also the Mac doesn't have wireless. Any > recommendations? > > The 2001 iMac comes with an internal modem - is dial-up internet an > option these days? Not really with the volume of audio and video streams we consume getting bigger all the time. > is the > internet usable on those speeds? Only for textual uses - email etc. - and simple web browsing if you switch graphics and especially flash off. From robharrington at mac.com Mon Jan 25 21:18:18 2010 From: robharrington at mac.com (Rob Harrington) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:18:18 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] foolproof simple broadband or dial-up internet? In-Reply-To: <175333BB-32CF-4977-8304-73F4436EF10A@mac.com> References: <28F1C0E5-A323-4BDD-9852-5BEE719325C7@cerise.org.uk> <2E27FB53-1E7F-48C7-9766-60014DDE61E6@f2s.com> <175333BB-32CF-4977-8304-73F4436EF10A@mac.com> Message-ID: I would second Plusnet-real people on the phone, clear and helpful. RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob On 25 Jan 2010, at 18:06, Richard Nevill wrote: > > On 25 Jan 2010, at 17:23, Robbie Murray wrote: >> some of the ADSL deals are really inexpensive - >> there are one or two at ?5.99 p.m - even with a free modem/router, >> e.g >> >> http://tinyurl.com/y9obglf > > > I would agree that Plusnet offer a good service and a good deal, but > be aware that the ?5.99 a month goes up to ?11.99 after three months > if you are not in a Plusnet 'low cost' area. > > > On a positive note, their wireless modem can be used a wire > (ethernet cable) if you don't want to set up wireless networking. > From penguinsplj at me.com Mon Jan 25 21:24:03 2010 From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman) Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:24:03 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Batch changing of files query In-Reply-To: <39EF2228-057A-442C-BAE3-6B0DD9122368@durrant.co.uk> References: <39EF2228-057A-442C-BAE3-6B0DD9122368@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <6102D65D-5780-40DE-936D-DF5B95971494@me.com> Thank you to all those who provided such useful information. I will be experimenting tomorrow. Paul C From turrethouse at talktalk.net Tue Jan 26 15:44:49 2010 From: turrethouse at talktalk.net (hugh morgan) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:44:49 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] fogotten password Message-ID: I can't boot up my G3 because I've forgotten the password - at least it doesn't recognise any of a string of possible password I have tried. And it seems I never did write it down! Any suggestions anyone ?? Hugh Morgan From paul at durrant.co.uk Tue Jan 26 16:03:16 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:03:16 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] fogotten password In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If it's a Mac OS X machine, there are various ways to reset the password. However, none of them will recover the Keychain password, that is normally set to be the same as the log in password. But provided you're OK with losing the keychain, the easiest way is to boot of a Mac OS X DVD-ROM, and I think under Utilities there's a reset password utility. regards, Paul On 26 Jan 2010, at 15:44, hugh morgan wrote: > I can't boot up my G3 because I've forgotten the password - at least > it doesn't recognise any of a string of possible password I have > tried. And it seems I never did write it down! Any suggestions > anyone ?? From macman at f2s.com Tue Jan 26 16:08:31 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:08:31 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] fogotten password In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <633B3348-3537-424F-967F-55ADF018BF7E@f2s.com> Are you sure it has one? When you first set the machine up, you can choose not to enter one, but still have to click in the empty field when asked. If you have the original system disk and can boot from that, there's an option to change the password.... Robbie "Follow these steps to reset a password when there is only one administrator account on the computer, or if the original administrator account needs a password reset. "Original" administrator account refers to the one that was created immediately after installing Mac OS X. If the original administrator password is known, that administrator account may be used to reset the passwords of other administrator accounts using the steps described above. These steps require an optical drive; if your Mac does not have an optical drive and you have a Mac OS X v10.6 Install disc, see below. ? Start up from a Mac OS X Install disc (one whose version is closest to the version of Mac OS X installed). Usually, you can start from the disc by putting it in your computer, restarting, and holding the C key. Or, put it in the computer and click the Install or Restore icon you see in the disc's main window (after which the computer will start from the disc without you needing to hold C). Or, you can use Startup Manager or the Startup Disk preference pane to select the Install disc. ? Choose a language, click the arrow button to continue, ? Mac OS X v10.6 or later: Choose Password Reset from the Utilities menu. Mac OS X v10.5 or v10.4: Choose Reset Password from the Utilities menu. Mac OS X v10.3: Choose Reset Password from the Installer menu. Tip: If you don't see this menu or menu choice, you're probably not started from the disc yet. Note: The default keyboard layout is U.S. English while started from the installation disc. If you use a keyboard layout other than U.S English, use the Input menu (the flag icon on the right side of the menu bar) to select the desired layout before typing a new password. ? Select your Mac OS X hard disk volume. ? Select the user name of your original administrator account. Important: Do not select "System Administrator (root)". This is actually the root user. You should not confuse it with a normal administrator account." On 26 Jan 2010, at 15:44, hugh morgan wrote: I can't boot up my G3 because I've forgotten the password - at least it doesn't recognise any of a string of possible password I have tried. And it seems I never did write it down! Any suggestions anyone ?? Hugh Morgan _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Robbie Murray 01603 620749 01603 516175 07882 007667 macman at f2s.com From turrethouse at talktalk.net Tue Jan 26 17:29:25 2010 From: turrethouse at talktalk.net (hugh morgan) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:29:25 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] G3 password Message-ID: Thanks to Paul and Robbie - I duly managed to reset it! Hugh From macman at f2s.com Tue Jan 26 18:01:36 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:01:36 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] G3 password In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D299F7B-013E-47D1-9581-28142AB02CBC@f2s.com> Hope you made a note of the password this time! :-) Robbie On 26 Jan 2010, at 17:29, hugh morgan wrote: Thanks to Paul and Robbie - I duly managed to reset it! Hugh From turrethouse at talktalk.net Tue Jan 26 18:06:41 2010 From: turrethouse at talktalk.net (hugh morgan) Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:06:41 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] G3 password In-Reply-To: <4D299F7B-013E-47D1-9581-28142AB02CBC@f2s.com> References: <4D299F7B-013E-47D1-9581-28142AB02CBC@f2s.com> Message-ID: Absolutely! >Hope you made a note of the password this time! > >:-) > >Robbie > > >On 26 Jan 2010, at 17:29, hugh morgan wrote: > >Thanks to Paul and Robbie - I duly managed to reset it! >Hugh >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From gill at cerise.org.uk Wed Jan 27 10:46:31 2010 From: gill at cerise.org.uk (Gill Seyfang) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:46:31 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] foolproof simple broadband or dial-up internet? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: thanks everyone for your helpful comments - I've decided to go for a compromise - set them up with dial-up first as it's instant, and then if they get on with the computer OK, get them onto a broadband contract/router which will take a few weeks. And yes, I remember the horrors of USB modems - never again! Gill From macman at f2s.com Wed Jan 27 11:07:38 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:07:38 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] foolproof simple broadband or dial-up internet? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just a word of warning ..... If they're on a simple penny a minute, they have to be sure to disconnect when finishing the session, otherwise they could be connected 24/7, and it's surprising how those pennies can add up .... One day can cost more than a month's ADSL! Robbie On 27 Jan 2010, at 10:46, Gill Seyfang wrote: thanks everyone for your helpful comments - I've decided to go for a compromise - set them up with dial-up first as it's instant, and then if they get on with the computer OK, get them onto a broadband contract/router which will take a few weeks. And yes, I remember the horrors of USB modems - never again! Gill _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Robbie Murray 01603 620749 01603 516175 07882 007667 macman at f2s.com From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Wed Jan 27 12:17:59 2010 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:17:59 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Vuescan Message-ID: Does anyone know why Vuescan suddenly changed to open it's scans in 'Preview' when always before it opened in 'Photoshop' as requested? Also why it wants to over right the previous scan in the same location when before it just changed the number to 2-3-4 etc. Martin Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com From macman at f2s.com Wed Jan 27 12:28:22 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:28:22 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Vuescan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <608C623A-98A7-4AE7-B5EB-89834B464AFB@f2s.com> Normally files of a particular extension will all open with the same programme, which you set by 1. Clicking on any file of that type 2. Doing a 'get info' 3. Choosing the programme you want to open it, using 'Open With' 4. Taking the option to change all. Robbie On 27 Jan 2010, at 12:17, Martin Fry wrote: Does anyone know why Vuescan suddenly changed to open it's scans in 'Preview' when always before it opened in 'Photoshop' as requested? Also why it wants to over right the previous scan in the same location when before it just changed the number to 2-3-4 etc. Martin Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Robbie Murray 01603 620749 01603 516175 07882 007667 macman at f2s.com From penguinsplj at me.com Wed Jan 27 13:35:56 2010 From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:35:56 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] One more thing Message-ID: <5AA9E9E5-AB05-43F9-AD8B-86BF8DCD8C87@me.com> For those desperate souls who need to know immediately you can follow the speech here: or There are others as well. It starts at 10 am Pacific Time which is ...err.... in a few hours or so. If you want to know what will happen before the show then here it is: Have fun Paul C From brian at clearlight.uk.net Wed Jan 27 14:02:19 2010 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:02:19 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] foolproof simple broadband or dial-up internet? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Gill First impressions are often hard to shift. To experience the internet as a long drawn out and frustrating wait can compound all the other frustrations and fears a new user is likely to meet. To dip one's toe into a new arena is often to justify withdrawal! Whereas a clear step carries a clear willingness and yields a better result in my opinion. However - its of course whatever you want and if they understand that the net is now primarily designed for networks of a magnitude more capacity to send and receive than dial up - they might add a proviso note to their attempts to use it. all the best Brian Gill Seyfang said recently: > > thanks everyone for your helpful comments - I've decided to go for a > compromise - set them up with dial-up first as it's instant, and then > if they get on with the computer OK, get them onto a broadband > contract/router which will take a few weeks. And yes, I remember the > horrors of USB modems - never again! > > Gill > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Wed Jan 27 14:09:55 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:09:55 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] One more thing In-Reply-To: <5AA9E9E5-AB05-43F9-AD8B-86BF8DCD8C87@me.com> References: <5AA9E9E5-AB05-43F9-AD8B-86BF8DCD8C87@me.com> Message-ID: 6 p.m. here! Leo, Andy and the Macbreak Weekly gang are there live from 5pm. http://live.twit.tv/ On 27 Jan 2010, at 13:35, Paul Chapman wrote: It starts at 10 am Pacific Time which is ...err.... in a few hours or so. From ricnev at mac.com Wed Jan 27 14:43:37 2010 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:43:37 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] One more thing In-Reply-To: References: <5AA9E9E5-AB05-43F9-AD8B-86BF8DCD8C87@me.com> Message-ID: i('ll) Slate that for watching, then! i (might need quite a few) Tablet (s) to calm me down. Can i Book or will e Book? But if "And another thing" is Verizon on the horizon, i'll not gasp. Let's hope Steve's new iCreation isn't an iCarus. On 27 Jan 2010, at 14:09, Robbie Murray wrote: > 6 p.m. here! > > Leo, Andy and the Macbreak Weekly gang are there live from 5pm. > > http://live.twit.tv/ > > > On 27 Jan 2010, at 13:35, Paul Chapman wrote: > > It starts at 10 am Pacific Time which is ...err.... in a few hours or > so. Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From macman at f2s.com Wed Jan 27 15:02:32 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:02:32 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] One more thing In-Reply-To: References: <5AA9E9E5-AB05-43F9-AD8B-86BF8DCD8C87@me.com> Message-ID: Seems like you're deliberately Kindling speculation there Richard... On 27 Jan 2010, at 14:43, Richard Nevill wrote: i('ll) Slate that for watching, then! i (might need quite a few) Tablet (s) to calm me down. Can i Book or will e Book? But if "And another thing" is Verizon on the horizon, i'll not gasp. Let's hope Steve's new iCreation isn't an iCarus. On 27 Jan 2010, at 14:09, Robbie Murray wrote: > 6 p.m. here! > > Leo, Andy and the Macbreak Weekly gang are there live from 5pm. > > http://live.twit.tv/ > > > On 27 Jan 2010, at 13:35, Paul Chapman wrote: > > It starts at 10 am Pacific Time which is ...err.... in a few hours or > so. Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Robbie Murray 01603 620749 01603 516175 07882 007667 macman at f2s.com From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Wed Jan 27 15:20:53 2010 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:20:53 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] One more thing In-Reply-To: References: <5AA9E9E5-AB05-43F9-AD8B-86BF8DCD8C87@me.com> Message-ID: <3E098B98-A66B-4190-83E9-6446B3A78FF0@virgin.net> You should be on the stage. The next one leaves in two minutes. Nathan On 27 Jan 2010, at 14:43, Richard Nevill wrote: > i('ll) Slate that for watching, then! > > i (might need quite a few) Tablet (s) to calm me down. > > Can i Book or will e Book? > > But if "And another thing" is Verizon on the horizon, i'll not gasp. > > Let's hope Steve's new iCreation isn't an iCarus. > > > From ghowells at f2s.com Wed Jan 27 17:46:28 2010 From: ghowells at f2s.com (G.Howells) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:46:28 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] f2s In-Reply-To: <1FD3FFC0-1C54-4972-84DE-C8DD783FF4CF@f2s.com> References: <1FD3FFC0-1C54-4972-84DE-C8DD783FF4CF@f2s.com> Message-ID: Further to the question about free all-day phone calls (called Freedom to Talk) on f2s. I couldn't find a current note on their website and wondered if it had been discontinued. I have now found faq on their technical website where it is mentioned as though it is still possible to obtain. That's at http://www.freedom2surf.net/help/talk-faq.php Perhaps it's still possible to get it. Gordon. From paul at durrant.co.uk Wed Jan 27 18:11:07 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:11:07 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iPad Message-ID: <0B0BED6B-B966-463A-B16C-DE96ED68BED7@durrant.co.uk> Apple's new device will be called iPad From paul at durrant.co.uk Wed Jan 27 18:13:53 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:13:53 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iPad Message-ID: <6DB50F1C-8FB0-4B33-80D7-21BB48302F42@durrant.co.uk> It looks like a MacBook Pro screen with an iPhone button. Black surround. Aluminium back. On-screen keyboard. Auto rotate "better than a laptop at browsing the web? Enjoying and sharing photos, videos, enjoying music, playing games, reading e-books" From paul at durrant.co.uk Wed Jan 27 18:36:08 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:36:08 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iPad In-Reply-To: <6DB50F1C-8FB0-4B33-80D7-21BB48302F42@durrant.co.uk> References: <6DB50F1C-8FB0-4B33-80D7-21BB48302F42@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <477FB28B-BDB9-4E7D-9438-0D709A24F3B2@durrant.co.uk> Ah - tech details at last. 9.7" display 0.5" thick 1.5 pounds LCD display touch screen (obviously) 802.11n Bluetooth Their own processor (presumably a new kind of Arm) the A4 running at 1GHz 16, 32 or 64GB flash storage accelerometer, compass, speaker, mic, iPod Dock connector 10 hour battery life 1 month 'standby' battery life Runs iPhone apps Hmm.... no mention of 3G connection. No mention of video camera. A shame - I'd have loved video iChat on it. From munkt0n at gmail.com Wed Jan 27 18:39:00 2010 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:39:00 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iPad In-Reply-To: <477FB28B-BDB9-4E7D-9438-0D709A24F3B2@durrant.co.uk> References: <6DB50F1C-8FB0-4B33-80D7-21BB48302F42@durrant.co.uk> <477FB28B-BDB9-4E7D-9438-0D709A24F3B2@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: all very exciting, I wasn't expecting an Apple CPU On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Paul Durrant wrote: > Ah - tech details at last. > > 9.7" display > 0.5" thick > 1.5 pounds > LCD display > touch screen (obviously) > 802.11n > Bluetooth > Their own processor (presumably a new kind of Arm) the A4 running at > 1GHz > 16, 32 or 64GB flash storage > accelerometer, compass, speaker, mic, iPod Dock connector > > 10 hour battery life > 1 month 'standby' battery life > > Runs iPhone apps > > > > Hmm.... no mention of 3G connection. No mention of video camera. A > shame - I'd have loved video iChat on it. > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- :wq From penguinsplj at me.com Wed Jan 27 18:52:52 2010 From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:52:52 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iPad Message-ID: <2559ADB6-C885-4206-B660-CDAE19441C09@me.com> Got to get ready to go but I haven't heard anything about the two cameras some were saying it would have. Did I miss that? Should have an HD videocam like the Nano at least. Paul From paul at durrant.co.uk Wed Jan 27 20:25:32 2010 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:25:32 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Removing Saft add-on for Safari In-Reply-To: <89CDE52B-8115-41D5-9694-B02C9D4285CC@googlemail.com> References: <89CDE52B-8115-41D5-9694-B02C9D4285CC@googlemail.com> Message-ID: Someone asked about removing the Saft add-on for Safari. Instructions are at the developer's web site: "Removal Move Saft in /Library/InputManagers to Trash and restart Safari. Finder may say that Saft is in use when trying to empty the Trash. Logout and login again (or restart mac) to solve this problem." http://haoli.dnsalias.com/Saft/Installation/index.html regards, Paul From penguinsplj at me.com Wed Jan 27 22:55:41 2010 From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:55:41 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Excel problem Message-ID: <55B34F1B-4ED3-4F5C-AD16-31D2EC558C08@me.com> As mentioned to a few at the meeting tonight a problem/annoyance started with Excel a few months ago whereby I couldn't copy a figure from say a web page and then paste it into an Excel document. I use one to do my finances every Friday and have done for years now and for most of that time there has been no problem, I would copy a figure, my current account balance say, and then paste it into the relevant box in Excel but now I get the warning box which says "MicroSoft Excel cannot paste the data" and I have to type in every figure myself. It was suggested I try pasting into a new Excel document and so have tried but with the same result. It was also suggested I try and paste into an old document I used in a previous year when it worked, I tried but still it wouldn't. The figure is definitely copying as I can paste it into anything else I want to like a Word document. Part two: Further experimenting has now found that the figure pasted into the Word document can now be copied and pasted into the Excel document! This is bizarre. Why can't it just copy and paste direct into the Excel doc? Just to give more detail I have tried copying from web pages in Safari as well as Firefox and the pages are different, some are Yahoo, others are home banking sites. Any thoughts? Paul C From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk Wed Jan 27 23:30:23 2010 From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:30:23 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Excel problem In-Reply-To: <55B34F1B-4ED3-4F5C-AD16-31D2EC558C08@me.com> References: <55B34F1B-4ED3-4F5C-AD16-31D2EC558C08@me.com> Message-ID: Interesting. Just tried it with no worries. Opened up my on line bank account Select all Copy Opened up excel Paste There it be in all its glory, no worries! Where from here? Michael Woodhouse mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ On 27 Jan 2010, at 22:55, Paul Chapman wrote: > As mentioned to a few at the meeting tonight a problem/annoyance > started with Excel a few months ago whereby I couldn't copy a figure > from say a web page and then paste it into an Excel document. I use > one to do my finances every Friday and have done for years now and for > most of that time there has been no problem, I would copy a figure, my > current account balance say, and then paste it into the relevant box > in Excel but now I get the warning box which says "MicroSoft Excel > cannot paste the data" and I have to type in every figure myself. It > was suggested I try pasting into a new Excel document and so have > tried but with the same result. It was also suggested I try and paste > into an old document I used in a previous year when it worked, I tried > but still it wouldn't. The figure is definitely copying as I can paste > it into anything else I want to like a Word document. > > Part two: Further experimenting has now found that the figure pasted > into the Word document can now be copied and pasted into the Excel > document! This is bizarre. Why can't it just copy and paste direct > into the Excel doc? Just to give more detail I have tried copying from > web pages in Safari as well as Firefox and the pages are different, > some are Yahoo, others are home banking sites. > > Any thoughts? > > Paul C > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ferrers_young at hotmail.com Thu Jan 28 01:10:12 2010 From: ferrers_young at hotmail.com (Ferrers Young) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 01:10:12 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Excel problem In-Reply-To: <55B34F1B-4ED3-4F5C-AD16-31D2EC558C08@me.com> References: <55B34F1B-4ED3-4F5C-AD16-31D2EC558C08@me.com> Message-ID: Hi Paul, It appears you are not alone - I found this: http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/thread-3871631.php So, perhaps some maintenance applied may have introduced this feature? Do you have a system where you can perform a clean install of Excel? As I'm a sad person, as well as taking backups of my system before & post upgrade spasms, I also log all updates with time & date in an Excel spreadsheet. I just went to http://www.digitallook.com/ and copied the value of the FTSE 100 (5217.47) successfully into a cell of Excel OK, using both Firefox & Safari (Excel 2004 with latest update: 11.5.6 dated 10/11/2009) "Just so that we're all singing from the same hymn book". My G3, running OS 9.1 has Excel 2001, so I hooked that up to the internet and repeated the experiment... apart from finding that I had to double click the figure, as my cursor had become a four-way pointing arrow (Internet Explorer 5.0 (2022)), to highlight it before cmd-C, it pasted OK into a new Excel sheet. Regarding my other suggestion for keeping label cells visible, assuming the labels are in the first column "A", then move the Cursor to cell B1 then click on Window on the menu bar, then click on Freeze Panes. Column A will always be visible. Hope that is of some help. Cheers, Ferrers > From: penguinsplj at me.com > To: nmug at nmug.org.uk > Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:55:41 +0000 > Subject: [NMUG] Excel problem > > As mentioned to a few at the meeting tonight a problem/annoyance > started with Excel a few months ago whereby I couldn't copy a figure > from say a web page and then paste it into an Excel document. I use > one to do my finances every Friday and have done for years now and for > most of that time there has been no problem, I would copy a figure, my > current account balance say, and then paste it into the relevant box > in Excel but now I get the warning box which says "MicroSoft Excel > cannot paste the data" and I have to type in every figure myself. It > was suggested I try pasting into a new Excel document and so have > tried but with the same result. It was also suggested I try and paste > into an old document I used in a previous year when it worked, I tried > but still it wouldn't. The figure is definitely copying as I can paste > it into anything else I want to like a Word document. > > Part two: Further experimenting has now found that the figure pasted > into the Word document can now be copied and pasted into the Excel > document! This is bizarre. Why can't it just copy and paste direct > into the Excel doc? Just to give more detail I have tried copying from > web pages in Safari as well as Firefox and the pages are different, > some are Yahoo, others are home banking sites. > > Any thoughts? > > Paul C > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _________________________________________________________________ Tell us your greatest, weirdest and funniest Hotmail stories http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ From ferrers_young at hotmail.com Thu Jan 28 01:35:43 2010 From: ferrers_young at hotmail.com (Ferrers Young) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 01:35:43 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iPlayer & YouTube Message-ID: Hello NMUG'ers, Seeing the wonders of the great iPlayer Grabber - only available to Leopards.... I wondered if all you Mac Cats would like to download YouTube videos... Here is a YouTube video that demonstrates how you can download from YouTube, for when you are not online, with no software ? it works, I?ve used it... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7cKzWD_H_U Cheers, Ferrers P.S. works on the "Dark Side" too (allegedly). _________________________________________________________________ Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk Thu Jan 28 10:43:20 2010 From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:43:20 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Removing Saft add-on for Safari In-Reply-To: References: <89CDE52B-8115-41D5-9694-B02C9D4285CC@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <87A289FC-D14E-496E-83CB-8E3C22A32E8E@themagic.me.uk> Paul, Thanks for information. Saft now removed. Regards, Anthony On 27 Jan 2010, at 20:25, Paul Durrant wrote: > Someone asked about removing the Saft add-on for Safari. Instructions > are at the developer's web site: > > "Removal > Move Saft in /Library/InputManagers to Trash and restart Safari. > Finder may say that Saft is in use when trying to empty the Trash. > Logout and login again (or restart mac) to solve this problem." > > > > http://haoli.dnsalias.com/Saft/Installation/index.html > > > > regards, > > > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Thu Jan 28 11:03:43 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:03:43 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Removing Saft add-on for Safari In-Reply-To: <87A289FC-D14E-496E-83CB-8E3C22A32E8E@themagic.me.uk> References: <89CDE52B-8115-41D5-9694-B02C9D4285CC@googlemail.com> <87A289FC-D14E-496E-83CB-8E3C22A32E8E@themagic.me.uk> Message-ID: <4C30A48F-6E1E-4A56-B923-5DA24CBE8CD0@f2s.com> I've never come across this plugin - it seems quite well thought of. Is it worthwhile installing in Leopard with Safari 4.04, and are you only removing it to run in 64 bit Snow Leopard, or this there something we should know? Robbie On 28 Jan 2010, at 10:43, Anthony Brahams wrote: Paul, Thanks for information. Saft now removed. Regards, Anthony On 27 Jan 2010, at 20:25, Paul Durrant wrote: > Someone asked about removing the Saft add-on for Safari. Instructions > are at the developer's web site: > > "Removal > Move Saft in /Library/InputManagers to Trash and restart Safari. > Finder may say that Saft is in use when trying to empty the Trash. > Logout and login again (or restart mac) to solve this problem." > > > > http://haoli.dnsalias.com/Saft/Installation/index.html > > > > regards, > > > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Robbie Murray 01603 620749 01603 516175 07882 007667 macman at f2s.com From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk Thu Jan 28 11:29:55 2010 From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:29:55 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Removing Saft add-on for Safari In-Reply-To: <4C30A48F-6E1E-4A56-B923-5DA24CBE8CD0@f2s.com> References: <89CDE52B-8115-41D5-9694-B02C9D4285CC@googlemail.com> <87A289FC-D14E-496E-83CB-8E3C22A32E8E@themagic.me.uk> <4C30A48F-6E1E-4A56-B923-5DA24CBE8CD0@f2s.com> Message-ID: <84C86C70-7616-4936-A3B3-663C46FC0F8F@themagic.me.uk> From a brief look I did not think the "features" were worth paying for and I did not like the panel appearing about upgrading each time I launched the program. Furthermore I do not like Safari occasionally telling me they cannot access a site because I a m not connected to the internet. This is rubbish?I could switch to Mail and immediately get or send mail or sometimes get another website up in Safari. Some time ago, speaking to Apple on something else I mentioned this and they said they know of it and were working on it. The next upgrade of OS and Safari made no difference but I do not have snow Leopard so maybe that cured it. Anyway, I am using Chrome which seems very good, two friends are very enthusiastic about it. It is a beta version, so incomplete but stable. HTH Anthony On 28 Jan 2010, at 11:03, Robbie Murray wrote: > I've never come across this plugin - it seems quite well thought of. > Is it worthwhile installing in Leopard with Safari 4.04, and are you > only removing it to run in 64 bit Snow Leopard, or this there > something we should know? > > Robbie > > On 28 Jan 2010, at 10:43, Anthony Brahams wrote: > > Paul, > > Thanks for information. Saft now removed. > > Regards, > > Anthony > > On 27 Jan 2010, at 20:25, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> Someone asked about removing the Saft add-on for Safari. Instructions >> are at the developer's web site: >> >> "Removal >> Move Saft in /Library/InputManagers to Trash and restart Safari. >> Finder may say that Saft is in use when trying to empty the Trash. >> Logout and login again (or restart mac) to solve this problem." >> >> >> >> http://haoli.dnsalias.com/Saft/Installation/index.html >> >> >> >> regards, >> >> >> >> Paul >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > Robbie Murray > 01603 620749 > 01603 516175 > 07882 007667 > macman at f2s.com > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Thu Jan 28 11:49:31 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:49:31 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Removing Saft add-on for Safari In-Reply-To: <84C86C70-7616-4936-A3B3-663C46FC0F8F@themagic.me.uk> References: <89CDE52B-8115-41D5-9694-B02C9D4285CC@googlemail.com> <87A289FC-D14E-496E-83CB-8E3C22A32E8E@themagic.me.uk> <4C30A48F-6E1E-4A56-B923-5DA24CBE8CD0@f2s.com> <84C86C70-7616-4936-A3B3-663C46FC0F8F@themagic.me.uk> Message-ID: Thanks Anthony: I'll give it a bye! Robbie On 28 Jan 2010, at 11:29, Anthony Brahams wrote: From a brief look I did not think the "features" were worth paying for and I did not like the panel appearing about upgrading each time I launched the program. Furthermore I do not like Safari occasionally telling me they cannot access a site because I a m not connected to the internet. This is rubbish?I could switch to Mail and immediately get or send mail or sometimes get another website up in Safari. Some time ago, speaking to Apple on something else I mentioned this and they said they know of it and were working on it. The next upgrade of OS and Safari made no difference but I do not have snow Leopard so maybe that cured it. Anyway, I am using Chrome which seems very good, two friends are very enthusiastic about it. It is a beta version, so incomplete but stable. HTH Anthony On 28 Jan 2010, at 11:03, Robbie Murray wrote: > I've never come across this plugin - it seems quite well thought of. > Is it worthwhile installing in Leopard with Safari 4.04, and are you > only removing it to run in 64 bit Snow Leopard, or this there > something we should know? > > Robbie > > On 28 Jan 2010, at 10:43, Anthony Brahams wrote: > > Paul, > > Thanks for information. Saft now removed. > > Regards, > > Anthony > > On 27 Jan 2010, at 20:25, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> Someone asked about removing the Saft add-on for Safari. Instructions >> are at the developer's web site: >> >> "Removal >> Move Saft in /Library/InputManagers to Trash and restart Safari. >> Finder may say that Saft is in use when trying to empty the Trash. >> Logout and login again (or restart mac) to solve this problem." >> >> >> >> http://haoli.dnsalias.com/Saft/Installation/index.html >> >> >> >> regards, >> >> >> >> Paul >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > Robbie Murray > 01603 620749 > 01603 516175 > 07882 007667 > macman at f2s.com > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Robbie Murray 01603 620749 01603 516175 07882 007667 macman at f2s.com From sc at davidviner.com Thu Jan 28 13:59:25 2010 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:59:25 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iPad In-Reply-To: References: <6DB50F1C-8FB0-4B33-80D7-21BB48302F42@durrant.co.uk> <477FB28B-BDB9-4E7D-9438-0D709A24F3B2@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <4B61983D.7040109@davidviner.com> Here come the funnies: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/28/its_like_a_tiny_ipad/ David Scott Matthews wrote: > all very exciting, I wasn't expecting an Apple CPU > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> Ah - tech details at last. >> >> 9.7" display >> 0.5" thick >> 1.5 pounds >> LCD display >> touch screen (obviously) >> 802.11n >> Bluetooth >> Their own processor (presumably a new kind of Arm) the A4 running at >> 1GHz >> 16, 32 or 64GB flash storage >> accelerometer, compass, speaker, mic, iPod Dock connector >> >> 10 hour battery life >> 1 month 'standby' battery life >> >> Runs iPhone apps >> >> >> >> Hmm.... no mention of 3G connection. No mention of video camera. A >> shame - I'd have loved video iChat on it. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> > > > > From lizbarnard at btinternet.com Thu Jan 28 18:06:23 2010 From: lizbarnard at btinternet.com (Liz) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:06:23 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Printer Service needed Message-ID: Help. Does anyone know someone who could change the inkpad on an Epson Stylus Photo R1800? It won?t print until it is changed! It?s attached to a MacBook down near Eye, Suffolk. Liz From david.maskell at ntlworld.com Thu Jan 28 21:50:10 2010 From: david.maskell at ntlworld.com (David Maskell) Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:50:10 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Printer Service needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You could try Jarrolds in Norwich? They have an Epson service centre... I think they do go out for repairs etc around east Anglia so you could give them a ring. They are located on exchange st in Norwich if you want to google thier number..... Thanks David Maskell Sent from my iPhone On 28 Jan 2010, at 18:06, Liz wrote: > Help. Does anyone know someone who could change the inkpad on an > Epson > Stylus Photo R1800? It won?t print until it is changed! It?s > attached to a > MacBook down near Eye, Suffolk. > > Liz > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Fri Jan 29 11:21:01 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:21:01 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] For anyone not currently taking precautions .... Message-ID: <9D2FB770-2D03-4515-9E48-D30F998F98DA@f2s.com> This looks like rather a good deal - much cheaper than it used to be, although Amazon also have it at this price with free delivery. Not clear if this one includes a phone line protector, which is always useful. The big benefit of the Belkin is the lifetime guarantee to replace any damaged equipment up to ?25,000. (And they do pay out - I know someone who claimed!) http://tinyurl.com/yfwbc2o Robbie Robbie Murray 01603 620749 01603 516175 07882 007667 macman at f2s.com From lizbarnard at btinternet.com Fri Jan 29 15:51:27 2010 From: lizbarnard at btinternet.com (Liz) Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:51:27 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 72, Issue 45 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > You could try Jarrolds in Norwich? They have an Epson service > centre... I think they do go out for repairs etc around east Anglia so > you could give them a ring. They are located on exchange st in > Norwich if you want to google thier number..... Thanks David, yes I recommended Jarrolds to her but she says the printer is too heavy for her to carry, she's an hour and half's journey away and needed to use the printer by today! She found a download on Google which lets you reset the Waste Ink Counter. She also lashed out on a Waste Ink kit to attach to the computer so the ink drains out and not on to the waste ink pads. ?9.85 and much cheaper than getting a service engineer out. Worth knowing if anyone finds themselves in a similar situation. Liz From ghowells at f2s.com Sat Jan 30 12:40:36 2010 From: ghowells at f2s.com (G.Howells) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 12:40:36 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] For anyone not currently taking precautions .... In-Reply-To: <9D2FB770-2D03-4515-9E48-D30F998F98DA@f2s.com> References: <9D2FB770-2D03-4515-9E48-D30F998F98DA@f2s.com> Message-ID: The power pack for my Belkin Modem-Router broke down this week. A call to Belkin and a new power pack arrived next day - free of charge. As I've had the modem-router in service for a few years, that's good service. Gordon >This looks like rather a good deal - much cheaper than it used to be, >although Amazon also have it at this price with free delivery. >Not clear if this one includes a phone line protector, which is always >useful. > >The big benefit of the Belkin is the lifetime guarantee to replace any >damaged equipment up to ?25,000. (And they do pay out - I know someone >who claimed!) > >http://tinyurl.com/yfwbc2o > > >Robbie > > > >Robbie Murray >01603 620749 >01603 516175 >07882 007667 >macman at f2s.com > >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ferrers_young at hotmail.com Sat Jan 30 21:03:29 2010 From: ferrers_young at hotmail.com (Ferrers Young) Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:03:29 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Polaroid PoGo Digital Instant Mobile Printer In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: ...make your own postcards when on holiday... Mentioned at this month's meeting as being available on Ebay for about ?20. Now available at Maplin for ?29.99 - link gives reviews & FAQ's http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?moduleno=344771&C=email-newsletter&U=10P02-1-N57HJ&T=173984 Happy holidaze... Ferrers _________________________________________________________________ Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ From david at vanedwards.co.uk Sun Jan 31 12:08:03 2010 From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:08:03 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Macintosh discs offered Message-ID: Dear All, Just on the very unlikely off-chance they're useful to someone before I bin them, 4 old Apple floppy discs: StyleWriterII installation, Printer software 2, Printer software 3, Printer software 4, Utilitie. Come back Simon all is forgiven! Best wishes, David -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk From kelvinyoungs at mac.com Sun Jan 31 13:45:08 2010 From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 13:45:08 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Applecare experience Message-ID: Just thought that I would post a message about Applecare as some members were wondering if it is any good. Well, I have a 24' iMac and after calling the applecare helpline they decided that the problem was the hard disk and that they would collect the machine via UPS. As that would take till the Monday (This was a Saturday so that is good service anyway) I decided to make an appointment at Chapelfield Apple and take it in on that day. Went in ? great team and said OK, will order the new hard disk ? that will be in on Tuesday - repair it Wednesday you can have it back Wednesday PM. Wednesday PM - not ready Thursday - not ready Friday - not ready. So I called applecare again and got through to customer services in Ireland - they said they would sort it out. Within the hour Chapelfield rang and said it was ready and so off I went and collected it. Then after I returned home could not restore and the machine then went into what is known as a Kernel Panic - rang applecare and after speaking to several people from India - South Africa it was decided that it should be seen by an engineer so off I trot to Norwich again. The service in the shop was first class and the manager assured me I would leave the store a happy Apple man. They ejected the stuck disk from the drive and all was fine. Left with a very nice gift for my troubles and I was indeed a happy Apple man. Went home and tried again to restore the machine ? same again ? so I then called the applecare team and after a few minutes the Indian (who was superb) put me through to Ireland and within 30 seconds the problem was resolved. I had used Snow Leopard previously and they had installed leopard ? placed the S/L in the drive and all was fine. The cost for a replacement hard drive (Which they upgraded to a much larger one) ? was ?130.00 plus VAT they also removed the screen to clean it inside ? cost of that ?46. Would I recommend Applecare - yes, worth every penny ? just a simple mistake that the applecare had made created the problems after the repair? However I am sure that somewhere in the applecare agreement is that desktop apples are sorted out with a visit on-site? Kelvin PS - Had a magic mouse for my birthday and it is fantastic ? if anyone else has one check out http://magicprefs.com/index.php and you can do loads more with it ? almost changes all the functions to work like the iPhone and iPod touch! From swimwire at googlemail.com Sun Jan 31 14:19:17 2010 From: swimwire at googlemail.com (Jack Webb-Heller) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:19:17 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Polaroid PoGo Digital Instant Mobile Printer In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: I have one of these! They're good fun, especially when out and about, and I have a special photo album designed specifically for their prints (which have a peel-off backing so you can stick them in books, on walls, etc.). Although they don't work with iPhone - just a warning. Jack On 30 Jan 2010, at 21:03, Ferrers Young wrote: > > ...make your own postcards when on holiday... > > Mentioned at this month's meeting as being available on Ebay for about ?20. > > Now available at Maplin for ?29.99 - link gives reviews & FAQ's > > http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?moduleno=344771&C=email-newsletter&U=10P02-1-N57HJ&T=173984 > > Happy holidaze... > > Ferrers > > _________________________________________________________________ > Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Jack Webb-Heller personal: jack at jackwebbheller.com general: swimwire at googlemail.com http://jackwebbheller.com From penguinsplj at me.com Sun Jan 31 14:41:25 2010 From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:41:25 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Polaroid PoGo Digital Instant Mobile Printer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71704C0D-2E69-411A-B277-743E77E205C0@me.com> On Jan 30, 2010, at 21:03, Ferrers Young wrote: > Mentioned at this month's meeting as being available on Ebay for > about ?20. > > Now available at Maplin for ?29.99 - link gives reviews & FAQ's Kicking myself I didn't buy that one in the auction I was showing at the meeting as the typical eBay price seems to have risen to ?22-?23 now which is still cheaper than Maplins. If you have a jailbroken iPhone you can use a BlueTooth App to connect to the Pogo which is also BlueTooth enabled. Paul C From jinshinjewels at googlemail.com Sun Jan 31 15:43:02 2010 From: jinshinjewels at googlemail.com (Jules Slaughter) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:43:02 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Applecare experience In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear All I recently bought an ipod and couldn't work out why it looked as if it was downloading but nothing reached the ipod. Applecare were marvellous, very polite, kind to a computer idiot such as myself, and fixed the problem without any hesitation (outdated software). Wish they were running the country.... Jules On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Kelvin Youngs wrote: > Just thought that I would post a message about Applecare as some members > were wondering if it is any good. > > Well, I have a 24' iMac and after calling the applecare helpline they > decided that the problem was the hard disk and that they would collect the > machine via UPS. > As that would take till the Monday (This was a Saturday so that is good > service anyway) I decided to make an appointment at Chapelfield Apple and > take it in on that day. > Went in ? great team and said OK, will order the new hard disk ? that will > be in on Tuesday - repair it Wednesday you can have it back Wednesday PM. > Wednesday PM - not ready > Thursday - not ready > Friday - not ready. So I called applecare again and got through to customer > services in Ireland - they said they would sort it out. > Within the hour Chapelfield rang and said it was ready and so off I went > and collected it. > Then after I returned home could not restore and the machine then went into > what is known as a Kernel Panic - rang applecare and after speaking to > several people from India - South Africa it was decided that it should be > seen by an engineer so off I trot to Norwich again. > The service in the shop was first class and the manager assured me I would > leave the store a happy Apple man. > They ejected the stuck disk from the drive and all was fine. Left with a > very nice gift for my troubles and I was indeed a happy Apple man. > Went home and tried again to restore the machine ? same again ? so I then > called the applecare team and after a few minutes the Indian (who was > superb) put me through to Ireland and within 30 seconds the problem was > resolved. > I had used Snow Leopard previously and they had installed leopard ? placed > the S/L in the drive and all was fine. > The cost for a replacement hard drive (Which they upgraded to a much larger > one) ? was ?130.00 plus VAT they also removed the screen to clean it inside > ? cost of that ?46. > > Would I recommend Applecare - yes, worth every penny ? just a simple > mistake that the applecare had made created the problems after the repair? > > However I am sure that somewhere in the applecare agreement is that desktop > apples are sorted out with a visit on-site? > > Kelvin > > PS - Had a magic mouse for my birthday and it is fantastic ? if anyone else > has one check out http://magicprefs.com/index.php and you can do loads > more with it ? almost changes all the functions to work like the iPhone and > iPod touch! > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- Jules CalmClasses & Therapies to improve your health. My business works on referrals. If you like what I do, please tell others. If not, please tell me. From macman at f2s.com Sun Jan 31 16:53:14 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:53:14 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Applecare experience In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Santa brought me one too (I would never have even thought about it, although my bugbear with every mouse I've ever had has always been clogging of the mechanicals). I absolutely love it - can't praise it highly enough, although I'm very happy simply with left & right clickers and scrolling. I was concerned at first about the sideways swiping - having to keep it in one place with thumb and finger while swiping with index and middle, but this resolved within 24 hours - all it needed was sufficient gunge on the bottom to make it a tiny bit sticky on the desktop! On 31 Jan 2010, at 13:45, Kelvin Youngs wrote: PS - Had a magic mouse for my birthday and it is fantastic ? if anyone else has one check out http://magicprefs.com/index.php and you can do loads more with it ? almost changes all the functions to work like the iPhone and iPod touch! From macman at f2s.com Sun Jan 31 16:58:48 2010 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:58:48 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Polaroid PoGo Digital Instant Mobile Printer In-Reply-To: <71704C0D-2E69-411A-B277-743E77E205C0@me.com> References: <71704C0D-2E69-411A-B277-743E77E205C0@me.com> Message-ID: <990618BE-E2C6-4FDA-8424-656BAB0507FC@f2s.com> ?23.00 on Amazon, and discounted consumables. ?25.00 on Play.com with free P&P The pink one is more expensive, though ...... Robbie On 31 Jan 2010, at 14:41, Paul Chapman wrote: Kicking myself I didn't buy that one in the auction I was showing at the meeting as the typical eBay price seems to have risen to ?22-?23 now which is still cheaper than Maplins. If you have a jailbroken iPhone you can use a BlueTooth App to connect to the Pogo which is also BlueTooth enabled. Paul C _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Robbie Murray 01603 620749 01603 516175 07882 007667 macman at f2s.com From lizbarnard at btinternet.com Sun Jan 31 23:46:56 2010 From: lizbarnard at btinternet.com (Liz) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:46:56 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Polaroid printer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Polaroid PoGo Digital Instant Mobile Printer Groan ? 2?x3? is everso small. If only they would make it A4 it would take the world by storm. Imagine being able to print A4 letters from remote locations? Taking a laptop on holiday is great but with a lightweight printer too ? brill! Unfortunately it won?t print from an iPhone but just imagine the the iPad + a A4 Polaroid printer! Every foreign correspondent?s dream. By the way am I right in thinking you can plug the iPad into a Mac and print text and images from it? If not, it?s pretty useless. Liz