From paul at durrant.co.uk Tue Sep 1 10:07:12 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 10:07:12 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Archives - Administratrivia In-Reply-To: <3D829085-6CE5-4D86-9C56-BFC664B08B33@f2s.com> References: <90B95400-FEE3-4A5D-9C2E-FBC891F442D6@gmail.com> <3D829085-6CE5-4D86-9C56-BFC664B08B33@f2s.com> Message-ID: <9AA75943-9ECB-485F-988C-D603C02CB176@durrant.co.uk> For those who don't know, the messages on this list are archived, and are available at http://server.durrant.co.uk/pipermail/nmug/ The NMUG archives broke in mid-July. (That's the last time I try to edit them!) The index there doesn't seem to be showing the June, July, or August 2009 archives. The June archives and half of July are available here: http://server.durrant.co.uk/pipermail/nmug/2009-June/date.html http://server.durrant.co.uk/pipermail/nmug/2009-July/date.html There are no archives for August. Hopefully the archives are now working properly again. regards, Paul NMUG listmanager From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com Tue Sep 1 10:12:46 2009 From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 10:12:46 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Firewire 400 to 800 In-Reply-To: <3D829085-6CE5-4D86-9C56-BFC664B08B33@f2s.com> References: <90B95400-FEE3-4A5D-9C2E-FBC891F442D6@gmail.com> <3D829085-6CE5-4D86-9C56-BFC664B08B33@f2s.com> Message-ID: <0006EF5B-47A9-4092-B68A-F1DDD28B0466@gmail.com> As Robbie says, that jobbie does the trick and at least you're not buying YET another cable. Richard Stewart rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com On 1 Sep 2009, at 09:51, Robbie Murray wrote: Haven't got a spare, Stefan, but this one does the trick .... From karl.hortt at btinternet.com Tue Sep 1 10:31:34 2009 From: karl.hortt at btinternet.com (Karl hortt) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 10:31:34 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Itunes Message-ID: <35DA40EC-2969-4334-8DE1-65A797FF7603@btinternet.com> Hi All, I have not been a big user of itunes in the past apart from podcasts is there a way of ripping CD's to itunes and getting the track names, not just track 1, track 2, etc ) without being connected to the internet ? regards Karl From munkt0n at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 10:41:05 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 10:41:05 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Itunes In-Reply-To: <35DA40EC-2969-4334-8DE1-65A797FF7603@btinternet.com> References: <35DA40EC-2969-4334-8DE1-65A797FF7603@btinternet.com> Message-ID: no, you need an internet connection so iTunes can connect to a remote CD database to retrieve the track names. On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Karl hortt wrote: > > Hi All, > > I have not been a big user of itunes in the past apart from podcasts > > is there a way of ripping CD's to itunes and getting the track names, > not just track 1, track 2, etc ) > without being connected to the internet ? > > > regards > > Karl > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- :wq From david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk Tue Sep 1 10:48:22 2009 From: david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk (David Reynolds) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 10:48:22 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Itunes In-Reply-To: References: <35DA40EC-2969-4334-8DE1-65A797FF7603@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <375429DF-6023-4E79-816A-92A243FAE0D7@reynoldsfamily.org.uk> On 1 Sep 2009, at 10:41, Scott Matthews wrote: > no, you need an internet connection so iTunes can connect to a remote > CD database to retrieve the track names. Well you can type them in, if you really want to... (I have in the past, but it's a bit of a PITA). -- David Reynolds david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk From batchsteve at googlemail.com Tue Sep 1 11:14:38 2009 From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 11:14:38 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Itunes In-Reply-To: References: <35DA40EC-2969-4334-8DE1-65A797FF7603@btinternet.com> Message-ID: However, you can rip CDs offline and at a later date when you have internet access go in to iTunes "Opt + A" to select all and then click "Advanced" > "Get CD Track Names". Steve. On 1 Sep 2009, at 10:41, Scott Matthews wrote: > no, you need an internet connection so iTunes can connect to a remote > CD database to retrieve the track names. > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Karl > hortt wrote: >> >> >> is there a way of ripping CD's to itunes and getting the track names, >> not just track 1, track 2, etc ) >> without being connected to the internet ? From davidenglish at mac.com Tue Sep 1 11:35:38 2009 From: davidenglish at mac.com (David English) Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 11:35:38 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iphone Message-ID: <119238197561807348992491427926996391590-Webmail@me.com> Hi all I have been using an iphone for a while now. I have always assumed that if someone leaves a a voicemail message that I would also get a missed call message. .....and that generally seems to be the case. Awkward for me then when recently I missed a voicemail message which was definitely there when I knew to look for it. However still definitely not recorded as a missed call in my 'recents'. Any thoughts? Why or when would I get missed call message with a voicemail and when wouldn't I? David From karl.hortt at btinternet.com Tue Sep 1 11:47:47 2009 From: karl.hortt at btinternet.com (Karl hortt) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 11:47:47 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Mac friendly ISP's Message-ID: <2BD3CBBB-0A19-4884-9275-1056C337C60F@btinternet.com> Hi All, A friend needs a mac friendly ISP who has a less than 1 year tie in or a month by month contract any ideas ? regards Karl From munkt0n at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 11:50:45 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 11:50:45 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Mac friendly ISP's In-Reply-To: <2BD3CBBB-0A19-4884-9275-1056C337C60F@btinternet.com> References: <2BD3CBBB-0A19-4884-9275-1056C337C60F@btinternet.com> Message-ID: not sure about 'mac friendly' - that's pretty much irrelevant as far as most ISPs are concerned. But I recommend adsl24.co.uk - very reliable and offer plenty of month-at-a-time contracts On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Karl hortt wrote: > > Hi All, > > > A friend needs a mac friendly ISP who has a less than 1 year tie in or > a month by month contract > > any ideas ? > > regards > > > Karl > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- :wq From yahooist at anyisle.com Tue Sep 1 12:21:20 2009 From: yahooist at anyisle.com (Neil S.) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 12:21:20 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iphone In-Reply-To: <119238197561807348992491427926996391590-Webmail@me.com> References: <119238197561807348992491427926996391590-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: Hi David, Could it be that the phone didn't miss the call as it never saw it because of being switched off or without a signal, as opposed to the call ringing out unnoticed. Regards... Neil On 1 Sep 2009, at 11:35, David English wrote: > Hi all > > I have been using an iphone for a while now. I have always assumed > that if someone leaves a a voicemail message that I would also get > a missed call message. .....and that generally seems to be the > case. Awkward for me then when recently I missed a voicemail > message which was definitely there when I knew to look for it. > However still definitely not recorded as a missed call in my > 'recents'. > Any thoughts? Why or when would I get missed call message with a > voicemail and when wouldn't I? > > David -- Neil Stevens Sent from my ? iMac G5 From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk Tue Sep 1 12:33:02 2009 From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 12:33:02 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Mac friendly ISP's In-Reply-To: <2BD3CBBB-0A19-4884-9275-1056C337C60F@btinternet.com> References: <2BD3CBBB-0A19-4884-9275-1056C337C60F@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I've used Blackfoot since 2001 and all has gone well. http://www.blackfoot.co.uk/ Michael Woodhouse mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ On 1 Sep 2009, at 11:47, Karl hortt wrote: > > Hi All, > > > A friend needs a mac friendly ISP who has a less than 1 year tie in or > a month by month contract > > any ideas ? > > regards > > > Karl > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From tomkershaw at mac.com Tue Sep 1 12:35:54 2009 From: tomkershaw at mac.com (Tom Kershaw) Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 12:35:54 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Mac friendly ISP's In-Reply-To: References: <2BD3CBBB-0A19-4884-9275-1056C337C60F@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <4A9D071A.1030407@mac.com> Zen Internet www.zen.co.uk Michael Woodhouse wrote: > I've used Blackfoot since 2001 and all has gone well. > > http://www.blackfoot.co.uk/ > > Michael Woodhouse > mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk > http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ > > > > > On 1 Sep 2009, at 11:47, Karl hortt wrote: > > >> Hi All, >> >> >> A friend needs a mac friendly ISP who has a less than 1 year tie in or >> a month by month contract >> >> any ideas ? >> >> regards >> >> >> Karl >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From munkt0n at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 15:09:15 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 15:09:15 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] slow DNS lookups on snow leopard? Message-ID: Hi, I've just upgraded to Snow Leopard, and now web pages are taking an age to resolve - pages still load just as fast, but the initial DNS lookup is sluggish, has anyone else noticed similar? Scott From munkt0n at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 15:12:56 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 15:12:56 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] slow DNS lookups on snow leopard? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: sorry, just answered my own question. it looks like Snow Leopard sets IPv6 to 'automatic' on all network adaptors, setting this to 'off' fixed the problem immediately! On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 3:09 PM, Scott Matthews wrote: > Hi, > > I've just upgraded to Snow Leopard, and now web pages are taking an > age to resolve - pages still load just as fast, but the initial DNS > lookup is sluggish, has anyone else noticed similar? > > Scott > -- :wq From robharrington at mac.com Tue Sep 1 18:32:11 2009 From: robharrington at mac.com (ROB HARRINGTON) Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:32:11 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Mac friendly ISP's In-Reply-To: <2BD3CBBB-0A19-4884-9275-1056C337C60F@btinternet.com> References: <2BD3CBBB-0A19-4884-9275-1056C337C60F@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I am a fairly low user on ?10 a month with PlusNet. No long term contract and human beings on the help phone who know what they're talking about. RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob On 1 Sep 2009, at 11:47, Karl hortt wrote: > > Hi All, > > > A friend needs a mac friendly ISP who has a less than 1 year tie in or > a month by month contract > > any ideas ? > > regards > > > Karl From davidenglish at mac.com Wed Sep 2 05:42:36 2009 From: davidenglish at mac.com (David English) Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 05:42:36 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iphone Message-ID: <165292055354623775343307805475171669275-Webmail@me.com> Hi Neil Yes thanks for that and I have tried that scenario and it does seem to be the case. However I am still stuck with the potential for missing voicemails because they are not flagged enough. On some mobile phone systems it is possible to have a text sent to the phone and I am exploring that potential. So far the dedicated 02 and iphone helplines have not been that useful. David From band1 at mac.com Wed Sep 2 09:31:32 2009 From: band1 at mac.com (David King) Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 09:31:32 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] start up Message-ID: <51E536BB-FB57-41DC-8378-71CF2CEF97E7@mac.com> A friend has my old G4 Quicksilver which she now cannot start up. When I had a look at it I got it to go with some difficulty after holding in the start button for some time. Since then it has refused to start. I noticed the clock on it was slow so think the internal battery wants replacing. Would a failed internal battery stop it from starting? If not what else could it be? If I have to take it to be repaired for her where do group members favour at the moment? David From michelehurst at mac.com Wed Sep 2 09:51:36 2009 From: michelehurst at mac.com (Michele Hurst) Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 01:51:36 -0700 Subject: [NMUG] mobile me Message-ID: <17718884875192893835265557401470795725-Webmail@me.com> Hi I have subscribed to .mac/mobile me for a few years now but to be honest I only use my .mac address from the service. Does anyone know for sure whether I can keep this address and stop joining as it is about ?60 a year? Hard to get a proper answer out of them. Many thanks Michele Michele Hurst michelehurst at mac.com From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com Wed Sep 2 10:05:43 2009 From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (Gmail) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 10:05:43 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] start up In-Reply-To: <51E536BB-FB57-41DC-8378-71CF2CEF97E7@mac.com> References: <51E536BB-FB57-41DC-8378-71CF2CEF97E7@mac.com> Message-ID: I would recommend Bite Systems as they are an Apple authorised repair center. Also are very knowledgable about power pc macs. Simon Bainbridge On 2 Sep 2009, at 09:31, David King wrote: > A friend has my old G4 Quicksilver which she now cannot start up. > When I had a look at it I got it to go with some difficulty after > holding in the start button for some time. Since then it has refused > to start. I noticed the clock on it was slow so think the internal > battery wants replacing. Would a failed internal battery stop it from > starting? If not what else could it be? If I have to take it to be > repaired for her where do group members favour at the moment? > > David > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Wed Sep 2 10:36:24 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 10:36:24 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] start up In-Reply-To: <51E536BB-FB57-41DC-8378-71CF2CEF97E7@mac.com> References: <51E536BB-FB57-41DC-8378-71CF2CEF97E7@mac.com> Message-ID: For some models a dead battery causes problems. I don't know if this is true for the G4 Quicksilver, but since a dead battery is easy to replace, it's worth trying before taking it in to a repair shop. All the PowerMac G4s use the usual (for Apple) 3.6V 1/2AA lithium battery. Here's where to buy it on-line: http://cpc.farnell.com/maxell/er3s-tc/battery-lith-1-2aa-large-pip-3/dp/BT01178 regards, Paul On 2 Sep 2009, at 09:31, David King wrote: > A friend has my old G4 Quicksilver which she now cannot start up. > When I had a look at it I got it to go with some difficulty after > holding in the start button for some time. Since then it has refused > to start. I noticed the clock on it was slow so think the internal > battery wants replacing. Would a failed internal battery stop it from > starting? If not what else could it be? If I have to take it to be > repaired for her where do group members favour at the moment? From munkt0n at gmail.com Wed Sep 2 10:48:12 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 10:48:12 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] mobile me In-Reply-To: <17718884875192893835265557401470795725-Webmail@me.com> References: <17718884875192893835265557401470795725-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: I would say no, if you stop paying then you'll lose your email address. On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Michele Hurst wrote: > Hi > I have subscribed to .mac/mobile me for a few years now but to be > honest I only use my .mac address from the service. Does anyone know > for sure whether I can keep this address and stop joining as it is > about ?60 a year? Hard to get a proper answer out of them. > Many thanks > Michele > > Michele Hurst > michelehurst at mac.com > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- :wq From bazyoungs at mac.com Wed Sep 2 10:47:57 2009 From: bazyoungs at mac.com (Barry Youngs) Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 10:47:57 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] mobile me In-Reply-To: <17718884875192893835265557401470795725-Webmail@me.com> References: <17718884875192893835265557401470795725-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: Michele I like you mostly only use the email address (as it's cool) but since I got myself an Ipod Touch recently and use the Idisk to show people photo's etc I am now thinking that it is worth it for just over a pound a week. After reading your email I googled the benefits (before I just used to pay and be happy to have a @mac.com email address (nerd or what?) ) Lots of good views and uses on here: http://forums.macrumors.com/archive/index.php/t-390729.html Baz On 2 Sep 2009, at 09:51, Michele Hurst wrote: > Hi > I have subscribed to .mac/mobile me for a few years now but to be > honest I only use my .mac address from the service. I doubt, therefore I might be. From penguin.999 at virgin.net Wed Sep 2 10:56:07 2009 From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 10:56:07 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] mobile me In-Reply-To: References: <17718884875192893835265557401470795725-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: On Sep 2, 2009, at 10:47, Barry Youngs wrote: > I am now thinking that it is worth it for just over a > pound a week. And remember that like Apple Care you can get at a hefty discount on eBay. Paul C From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Wed Sep 2 11:03:09 2009 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 11:03:09 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] start up In-Reply-To: <51E536BB-FB57-41DC-8378-71CF2CEF97E7@mac.com> References: <51E536BB-FB57-41DC-8378-71CF2CEF97E7@mac.com> Message-ID: <98548C6F-03FA-4B2D-82B7-C58B23C62A95@virgin.net> On 2 Sep 2009, at 09:31, David King wrote: > Would a failed internal battery stop it from > starting? If not what else could it be? If I have to take it to be > repaired for her where do group members favour at the moment? Yes, Battery can be bought from Maplins, should be easy to fit, although there may be some other fault. Ken Arnoldi From jeremyknight at mac.com Wed Sep 2 11:27:12 2009 From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight) Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 11:27:12 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] registration In-Reply-To: <98548C6F-03FA-4B2D-82B7-C58B23C62A95@virgin.net> References: <51E536BB-FB57-41DC-8378-71CF2CEF97E7@mac.com> <98548C6F-03FA-4B2D-82B7-C58B23C62A95@virgin.net> Message-ID: Morning all, I have been offered some genuine software that the present owner has registered. Any comments from members? jeremy From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com Wed Sep 2 11:29:32 2009 From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 11:29:32 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard Message-ID: <264025E4-F457-45BF-AC62-E4F8D6D049F7@ruthmurray.f2s.com> Just for info 'Regretful upgrade' http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-337613.html Ruth From munkt0n at gmail.com Wed Sep 2 11:35:05 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 11:35:05 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard In-Reply-To: <264025E4-F457-45BF-AC62-E4F8D6D049F7@ruthmurray.f2s.com> References: <264025E4-F457-45BF-AC62-E4F8D6D049F7@ruthmurray.f2s.com> Message-ID: The only app I miss from that list is iStat Menus. Other apps I've had issues with are mainly 'input manager' hacks, which were never officially supported, so no surprises there! On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Ruth Murray wrote: > Just for info > > 'Regretful upgrade' > > http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-337613.html > > Ruth > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- :wq From band1 at mac.com Wed Sep 2 11:53:23 2009 From: band1 at mac.com (David King) Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 11:53:23 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] start up In-Reply-To: References: <51E536BB-FB57-41DC-8378-71CF2CEF97E7@mac.com> Message-ID: <99A47F3F-587A-42FC-AFC2-3E865FC8B8EA@mac.com> Thanks Paul. Will change the battery first. regards David On 2 Sep 2009, at 10:36, Paul Durrant wrote: > For some models a dead battery causes problems. I don't know if this > is true for the G4 Quicksilver, but since a dead battery is easy to > replace, it's worth trying before taking it in to a repair shop. > > All the PowerMac G4s use the usual (for Apple) 3.6V 1/2AA lithium > battery. Here's where to buy it on-line: > > http://cpc.farnell.com/maxell/er3s-tc/battery-lith-1-2aa-large-pip-3/dp/BT01178 > > regards, > > Paul > > On 2 Sep 2009, at 09:31, David King wrote: > >> A friend has my old G4 Quicksilver which she now cannot start up. >> When I had a look at it I got it to go with some difficulty after >> holding in the start button for some time. Since then it has refused >> to start. I noticed the clock on it was slow so think the internal >> battery wants replacing. Would a failed internal battery stop it >> from >> starting? If not what else could it be? If I have to take it to be >> repaired for her where do group members favour at the moment? > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Wed Sep 2 11:55:50 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 11:55:50 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Tevion graphics pad Message-ID: <96709B79-6358-4F55-8951-F8F3867F5913@virgin.net> Does anyone remember the TEVION graphics pad that a few of us bought cheap at Aldi a long while ago? Will this still work with O/S 10.5.8 ? If so, has anyone got the "Stylus/pen" that came with it that they do not need anymore, as I has gone walkabout! Regards Martin Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com From macman at f2s.com Wed Sep 2 12:12:44 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:12:44 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] registration In-Reply-To: References: <51E536BB-FB57-41DC-8378-71CF2CEF97E7@mac.com> <98548C6F-03FA-4B2D-82B7-C58B23C62A95@virgin.net> Message-ID: <207997D4-F90B-4815-89B4-63884BA45BD0@f2s.com> Provided it has been removed from the original machine, and only you are running it on one machine, you should be on the moral high ground ..... What does the EULA say? Robbie On 2 Sep 2009, at 11:27, jeremy knight wrote: Morning all, I have been offered some genuine software that the present owner has registered. Any comments from members? jeremy _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Wed Sep 2 12:17:24 2009 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:17:24 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Tevion graphics pad In-Reply-To: <96709B79-6358-4F55-8951-F8F3867F5913@virgin.net> References: <96709B79-6358-4F55-8951-F8F3867F5913@virgin.net> Message-ID: I have a Tevion pad too. Seems to work only on OS9 (and Windows!) although a driver might be available? Ken Arnoldi On 2 Sep 2009, at 11:55, Martin Fry wrote: > Does anyone remember the TEVION graphics pad that a few of us bought > cheap at Aldi a long while ago? > > Will this still work with O/S 10.5.8 ? > > If so, has anyone got the "Stylus/pen" that came with it that they do > not need anymore, as I has gone walkabout! > > Regards From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Wed Sep 2 12:38:48 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:38:48 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] start up In-Reply-To: References: <51E536BB-FB57-41DC-8378-71CF2CEF97E7@mac.com> Message-ID: <63812E29-407B-46CC-96AA-43B617AD20F6@simonroyal.co.uk> Hi. You might also wanna try resetting the PMU. There is a button on the door. I had one that failed to startup after a power cut and this solved it. Simon On 2 Sep 2009, at 10:36, Paul Durrant wrote: > For some models a dead battery causes problems. I don't know if this > is true for the G4 Quicksilver, but since a dead battery is easy to > replace, it's worth trying before taking it in to a repair shop. > > All the PowerMac G4s use the usual (for Apple) 3.6V 1/2AA lithium > battery. Here's where to buy it on-line: > > http://cpc.farnell.com/maxell/er3s-tc/battery-lith-1-2aa-large-pip-3/dp/BT01178 > > regards, > > Paul > > On 2 Sep 2009, at 09:31, David King wrote: > >> A friend has my old G4 Quicksilver which she now cannot start up. >> When I had a look at it I got it to go with some difficulty after >> holding in the start button for some time. Since then it has refused >> to start. I noticed the clock on it was slow so think the internal >> battery wants replacing. Would a failed internal battery stop it >> from >> starting? If not what else could it be? If I have to take it to be >> repaired for her where do group members favour at the moment? > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From paul at durrant.co.uk Wed Sep 2 12:49:19 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:49:19 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] registration In-Reply-To: References: <51E536BB-FB57-41DC-8378-71CF2CEF97E7@mac.com> <98548C6F-03FA-4B2D-82B7-C58B23C62A95@virgin.net> Message-ID: <4D012B8C-13ED-4EAA-8F92-BE61834E1341@durrant.co.uk> It's fine so long as the software company will let you transfer the registration. You'll probably need help from the seller to do this. Paul On 2 Sep 2009, at 11:27, jeremy knight wrote: > Morning all, > I have been offered some genuine software that the present owner has > registered. > Any comments from members? > jeremy > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From batchsteve at googlemail.com Wed Sep 2 22:44:59 2009 From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 22:44:59 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Messing about with Snow Leopard Message-ID: <4DFE4160-D5AC-4949-A671-42CD257B1D79@gmail.com> I found a blue screen of death in SL (sorta) :p Go in to Expose (usually F9) hold down Tab key and move the mouse about... From penguin.999 at virgin.net Wed Sep 2 22:56:57 2009 From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 22:56:57 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Messing about with Snow Leopard In-Reply-To: <4DFE4160-D5AC-4949-A671-42CD257B1D79@gmail.com> References: <4DFE4160-D5AC-4949-A671-42CD257B1D79@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0F7F8429-343D-4A2D-96E3-4C3F05F52AB5@virgin.net> On Sep 2, 2009, at 22:44, Steve Batch wrote: > I found a blue screen of death in SL (sorta) :p > > Go in to Expose (usually F9) hold down Tab key and move the mouse > about... Need more information please. I'm just using Leopard and using Expos? moves makes all windows visible. Moving the mouse over a window highlights it in blue. Using Tab and the selected window changes rapidly, going through all the available windows. I think you are expected not to hold down Tab but just tap it to move to the next window. Paul C From alanbarber at mac.com Thu Sep 3 08:22:30 2009 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 08:22:30 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] beginners course Message-ID: The next "beginners course will be on the 12th Sept at St Matthews Church Telegraph Lane West. http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&tab=wl Paul Durrant has kindly offered to do a session on the Finder. Could we start sharp at 10.00 please. Regards Alan From ehitchins at aol.com Thu Sep 3 09:29:56 2009 From: ehitchins at aol.com (ehitchins at aol.com) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 04:29:56 -0400 Subject: [NMUG] beginners course In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CBFA87DA3F0BD4-E08-DFFB@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com> Alan Sorry cannot make this one due to previous commitments regards Eric Hitchins -----Original Message----- From: Alan Barber To: nmugs Group list Sent: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 8:22 Subject: [NMUG] beginners course The next "beginners course will be on the 12th Sept at St Matthews Church Telegraph Lane West. http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&tab=wl Paul Durrant has kindly offered to do a session on the Finder. Could we start sharp at 10.00 please. Regards Alan _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From turrethouse at talktalk.net Thu Sep 3 10:35:16 2009 From: turrethouse at talktalk.net (Hugh Morgan) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 10:35:16 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] beginners course In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alan - Please count me in for this. Thanks for the reminder. Hugh Morgan >The next "beginners course will be on the 12th Sept >at St Matthews Church Telegraph Lane West. >http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&tab=wl > > > >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Thu Sep 3 11:07:05 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 11:07:05 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Bookmarks Message-ID: <3F26C6DA-044F-41AF-82B3-2940D93C2D31@virgin.net> How can I arrange Safari bookmarks in alphabetical order? Nathan From macman at f2s.com Thu Sep 3 11:16:01 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 11:16:01 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Bookmarks In-Reply-To: <3F26C6DA-044F-41AF-82B3-2940D93C2D31@virgin.net> References: <3F26C6DA-044F-41AF-82B3-2940D93C2D31@virgin.net> Message-ID: <83B24C07-E146-4D17-8E46-E6DC6779D531@f2s.com> Manually! Drag them left and right in the toolbar, or up & down in the folder .... .... or search Safari help for "organize bookmarks" (I know, they can't spell over the other side .....) Have fun! Robbie On 3 Sep 2009, at 11:07, nathan crosby wrote: How can I arrange Safari bookmarks in alphabetical order? Nathan _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From turrethouse at talktalk.net Thu Sep 3 11:24:19 2009 From: turrethouse at talktalk.net (Hugh Morgan) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 11:24:19 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Bookmarks In-Reply-To: <3F26C6DA-044F-41AF-82B3-2940D93C2D31@virgin.net> References: <3F26C6DA-044F-41AF-82B3-2940D93C2D31@virgin.net> Message-ID: By highlighting and dragging, item by item! Either along the top bar or up & down the list of all Bookmarks. If there is a quicker way, I haven't found it either. Hugh >How can I arrange Safari bookmarks in alphabetical order? > >Nathan >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Thu Sep 3 11:37:14 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 11:37:14 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Bookmarks In-Reply-To: <83B24C07-E146-4D17-8E46-E6DC6779D531@f2s.com> References: <3F26C6DA-044F-41AF-82B3-2940D93C2D31@virgin.net> <83B24C07-E146-4D17-8E46-E6DC6779D531@f2s.com> Message-ID: Robbie. I had thought about manually, but since I have about 50 bookmarks I am trying to avoid it. Also in this age of wonderful technology I just can't believe that a simple button will not achieve this, or even better - it should just happen. Typing 'book marks alphabetically' in safari help, produces nothing. 'organize book marks' produces information about everything but. This has been exasperating me for years! nathan On 3 Sep 2009, at 11:16, Robbie Murray wrote: > Manually! > > Drag them left and right in the toolbar, or up & down in the > folder .... > > > .... or search Safari help for "organize bookmarks" (I know, they > can't spell over the other side .....) > > > Have fun! > > > Robbie > On 3 Sep 2009, at 11:07, nathan crosby wrote: > > How can I arrange Safari bookmarks in alphabetical order? > > Nathan > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com Thu Sep 3 11:50:08 2009 From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (Stefan Pietrzak Youngs) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 11:50:08 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Safari bookmarks organized Message-ID: <4A1B742C-5EFD-4B7C-A154-176603B9C16E@gmail.com> >button will not achieve this, or even better - it should just happen. >Typing 'book marks alphabetically' in safari help, produces nothing. >'organize book marks' produces information >about everything but. >This has been exasperating me for years! >nathan Import Safari Bookmarks into Firefox Then delete all Safari bookmarks in Safari In Firefox clicking the bookmarks column at the top will sorts the alphabetically Export them to Safari Do I get a prize? From turrethouse at talktalk.net Thu Sep 3 11:54:16 2009 From: turrethouse at talktalk.net (Hugh Morgan) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 11:54:16 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Bookmarks In-Reply-To: References: <3F26C6DA-044F-41AF-82B3-2940D93C2D31@virgin.net> <83B24C07-E146-4D17-8E46-E6DC6779D531@f2s.com> Message-ID: I just tried copying the list into a spread sheet, sorting it and pasting back. Sorts OK but pasting back gave me trouble. Might be worth your while to try it. Hugh >Robbie. I had thought about manually, but since I have about 50 >bookmarks I am trying to avoid it. From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Thu Sep 3 12:06:14 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 12:06:14 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Safari bookmarks organized In-Reply-To: <4A1B742C-5EFD-4B7C-A154-176603B9C16E@gmail.com> References: <4A1B742C-5EFD-4B7C-A154-176603B9C16E@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes you do get a virtual prize. But why can't Safari achieve this. I don't use Firefox. I have just discovered software called 'bookdog' which claims to sort this out. It also contains a rather spooky quick time movie. http://sheepsystems.com/products/bookdog/movies/verifying_and_fixing_broken.html Nathan On 3 Sep 2009, at 11:50, Stefan Pietrzak Youngs wrote: > >> button will not achieve this, or even better - it should just happen. >> Typing 'book marks alphabetically' in safari help, produces nothing. >> 'organize book marks' produces information >> about everything but. > >> This has been exasperating me for years! > >> nathan > > > Import Safari Bookmarks into Firefox > > Then delete all Safari bookmarks in Safari > > In Firefox clicking the bookmarks column at the top will sorts the > alphabetically > > Export them to Safari > > Do I get a prize? > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Thu Sep 3 12:09:21 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 12:09:21 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Bookmarks In-Reply-To: References: <3F26C6DA-044F-41AF-82B3-2940D93C2D31@virgin.net> <83B24C07-E146-4D17-8E46-E6DC6779D531@f2s.com> Message-ID: <61D6DA57-492B-480F-87EC-E03CEAA22A8B@virgin.net> My point Hugh is that you shouldn't have to go to such lengths for what is just a simple and obvious piece of programming. Nathan On 3 Sep 2009, at 11:54, Hugh Morgan wrote: > I just tried copying the list into a spread sheet, sorting it and > pasting back. Sorts OK but pasting back gave me trouble. Might be > worth your while to try it. Hugh > >> Robbie. I had thought about manually, but since I have about 50 >> bookmarks I am trying to avoid it. > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Thu Sep 3 12:31:39 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 12:31:39 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: Safari bookmarks organized References: Message-ID: <9E3C21BA-6BBD-41E0-9A8E-86D05CA5D108@virgin.net> > From: nathan crosby > Date: 3 September 2009 12:06:14 BST > To: Norwich Mac User Group list > Subject: Re: [NMUG] Safari bookmarks organized > > Yes you do get a virtual prize. But why can't Safari achieve this. I > don't use Firefox. > > I have just discovered software called 'bookdog' which claims to > sort this out. It also contains a rather spooky quick time movie. > > http://sheepsystems.com/products/bookdog/movies/verifying_and_fixing_broken.html > > Nathan > > > On 3 Sep 2009, at 11:50, Stefan Pietrzak Youngs wrote: > >> >>> button will not achieve this, or even better - it should just >>> happen. >>> Typing 'book marks alphabetically' in safari help, produces >>> nothing. >>> 'organize book marks' produces information >>> about everything but. >> >>> This has been exasperating me for years! >> >>> nathan >> >> >> Import Safari Bookmarks into Firefox >> >> Then delete all Safari bookmarks in Safari >> >> In Firefox clicking the bookmarks column at the top will sorts the >> alphabetically >> >> Export them to Safari >> >> Do I get a prize? >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From jinshinjewels at googlemail.com Thu Sep 3 13:35:03 2009 From: jinshinjewels at googlemail.com (Jules Slaughter) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 13:35:03 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] beginners course In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Alan I can make this one, unless I get some work coming in in the meantime. Regards Jules Slaughter On 9/3/09, Alan Barber wrote: > The next "beginners course will be on the 12th Sept > at St Matthews Church Telegraph Lane West. http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&tab=wl > > Paul Durrant has kindly offered to do a session on the Finder. > > Could we start sharp at 10.00 please. > > Regards > > Alan > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- Jules CalmClasses & Therapies to improve your health. My business works on referrals. If you like what I do, please tell others. If not, please tell me. From allanmacam at me.com Thu Sep 3 14:18:47 2009 From: allanmacam at me.com (Allan) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 14:18:47 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Important security for all Snow Leopard users Message-ID: http://blogs.adobe.com/psirt/2009/09/flash_player_update_and_snow_l.html Allan Johns. From jeremyknight at mac.com Thu Sep 3 14:25:56 2009 From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 14:25:56 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] hmm living on the edge In-Reply-To: <61D6DA57-492B-480F-87EC-E03CEAA22A8B@virgin.net> References: <3F26C6DA-044F-41AF-82B3-2940D93C2D31@virgin.net> <83B24C07-E146-4D17-8E46-E6DC6779D531@f2s.com> <61D6DA57-492B-480F-87EC-E03CEAA22A8B@virgin.net> Message-ID: <8BE32C5C-21C6-4DFE-8085-C68162BA0C48@mac.com> Hi All. in May I bought a new Imac,this morning i was emptying the waste and it froze did a relaunch of the finder no joy. Did a switch off and restart grey screen and a spinning cog that stopped ( repeated this several times) tried to start from diskwarrior,same grey screen and stopped . tried to access the h/d through my wife's computer it didn't appear. switched off and disconnected ,left to speak to service people. came back and ok. So any thoughts from members and will it do it again? fortunately I do have time capsule. jeremy From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Thu Sep 3 15:32:26 2009 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 15:32:26 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] hmm living on the edge In-Reply-To: <8BE32C5C-21C6-4DFE-8085-C68162BA0C48@mac.com> References: <3F26C6DA-044F-41AF-82B3-2940D93C2D31@virgin.net> <83B24C07-E146-4D17-8E46-E6DC6779D531@f2s.com> <61D6DA57-492B-480F-87EC-E03CEAA22A8B@virgin.net> <8BE32C5C-21C6-4DFE-8085-C68162BA0C48@mac.com> Message-ID: <2033D859-F652-40E5-9DF1-CCCF66BF10C4@virgin.net> I have an iMac (March), haven't that problem, but would rather re-start using the supplied system install disk and using Disk Utility, Disk Warrior may not be OK for Leopard. Ken Arnoldi On 3 Sep 2009, at 14:25, jeremy knight wrote: > Hi All. > in May I bought a new Imac,this morning i was emptying the waste and > it froze did a relaunch of the finder no joy. > Did a switch off and restart grey screen and a spinning cog that > stopped ( repeated this several times) > tried to start from diskwarrior,same grey screen and stopped . > tried to access the h/d through my wife's computer it didn't appear. > switched off and disconnected ,left to speak to service people. > came back and ok. > So any thoughts from members and will it do it again? > fortunately I do have time capsule. > jeremy From macman at f2s.com Thu Sep 3 14:44:41 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 14:44:41 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] hmm living on the edge In-Reply-To: <2033D859-F652-40E5-9DF1-CCCF66BF10C4@virgin.net> References: <3F26C6DA-044F-41AF-82B3-2940D93C2D31@virgin.net> <83B24C07-E146-4D17-8E46-E6DC6779D531@f2s.com> <61D6DA57-492B-480F-87EC-E03CEAA22A8B@virgin.net> <8BE32C5C-21C6-4DFE-8085-C68162BA0C48@mac.com> <2033D859-F652-40E5-9DF1-CCCF66BF10C4@virgin.net> Message-ID: Starting in Safe Mode is always worth a try, as it will disable bells & whistles and run preference repair - may be all that's required. It does, however, take a long time, so requires patience. I generally use Applejack, which usually fixes knickers and twist situations, but I'm sure you're all sick of hearing me bang on about it, so I shan't mention! Robbie On 3 Sep 2009, at 14:25, jeremy knight wrote: > Hi All. > in May I bought a new Imac,this morning i was emptying the waste and > it froze did a relaunch of the finder no joy. > Did a switch off and restart grey screen and a spinning cog that > stopped ( repeated this several times) > tried to start from diskwarrior,same grey screen and stopped . > tried to access the h/d through my wife's computer it didn't appear. > switched off and disconnected ,left to speak to service people. > came back and ok. > So any thoughts from members and will it do it again? > fortunately I do have time capsule. > jeremy _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From jeremyknight at mac.com Thu Sep 3 15:02:39 2009 From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 15:02:39 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] hmm living on the edge In-Reply-To: References: <3F26C6DA-044F-41AF-82B3-2940D93C2D31@virgin.net> <83B24C07-E146-4D17-8E46-E6DC6779D531@f2s.com> <61D6DA57-492B-480F-87EC-E03CEAA22A8B@virgin.net> <8BE32C5C-21C6-4DFE-8085-C68162BA0C48@mac.com> <2033D859-F652-40E5-9DF1-CCCF66BF10C4@virgin.net> Message-ID: Interesting how people are wary of Diskwarrior. what is start-up in safe mode ? What is preference repair and how do you do it? Thinking back I was deleting the trash in an old pendrive. I tried to continue the delete just now and it froze but I immediately switched off and restarted. I am beginning to think that pendrives are only good for months? jeremy On 3 Sep 2009, at 14:44, Robbie Murray wrote: > Starting in Safe Mode is always worth a try, as it will disable bells > & whistles and run preference repair - may be all that's required. > It does, however, take a long time, so requires patience. > > I generally use Applejack, which usually fixes knickers and twist > situations, but I'm sure you're all sick of hearing me bang on about > it, so I shan't mention! > > Robbie > > > On 3 Sep 2009, at 14:25, jeremy knight wrote: > >> Hi All. >> in May I bought a new Imac,this morning i was emptying the waste and >> it froze did a relaunch of the finder no joy. >> Did a switch off and restart grey screen and a spinning cog that >> stopped ( repeated this several times) >> tried to start from diskwarrior,same grey screen and stopped . >> tried to access the h/d through my wife's computer it didn't appear. >> switched off and disconnected ,left to speak to service people. >> came back and ok. >> So any thoughts from members and will it do it again? >> fortunately I do have time capsule. >> jeremy > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Thu Sep 3 15:05:05 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 15:05:05 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] hmm living on the edge In-Reply-To: References: <3F26C6DA-044F-41AF-82B3-2940D93C2D31@virgin.net> <83B24C07-E146-4D17-8E46-E6DC6779D531@f2s.com> <61D6DA57-492B-480F-87EC-E03CEAA22A8B@virgin.net> <8BE32C5C-21C6-4DFE-8085-C68162BA0C48@mac.com> <2033D859-F652-40E5-9DF1-CCCF66BF10C4@virgin.net> Message-ID: Jeremy I have had a Iomega Mini 128MB pen drive for about 8 years and it has never given me any trouble. I trust it enough to keep my website stored on it. Simon On 3 Sep 2009, at 15:02, jeremy knight wrote: > Interesting how people are wary of Diskwarrior. > what is start-up in safe mode ? > What is preference repair and how do you do it? > Thinking back I was deleting the trash in an old pendrive. > I tried to continue the delete just now and it froze but I > immediately switched off and restarted. > I am beginning to think that pendrives are only good for months? > jeremy > > On 3 Sep 2009, at 14:44, Robbie Murray wrote: > >> Starting in Safe Mode is always worth a try, as it will disable bells >> & whistles and run preference repair - may be all that's required. >> It does, however, take a long time, so requires patience. >> >> I generally use Applejack, which usually fixes knickers and twist >> situations, but I'm sure you're all sick of hearing me bang on about >> it, so I shan't mention! >> >> Robbie >> >> >> On 3 Sep 2009, at 14:25, jeremy knight wrote: >> >>> Hi All. >>> in May I bought a new Imac,this morning i was emptying the waste and >>> it froze did a relaunch of the finder no joy. >>> Did a switch off and restart grey screen and a spinning cog that >>> stopped ( repeated this several times) >>> tried to start from diskwarrior,same grey screen and stopped . >>> tried to access the h/d through my wife's computer it didn't appear. >>> switched off and disconnected ,left to speak to service people. >>> came back and ok. >>> So any thoughts from members and will it do it again? >>> fortunately I do have time capsule. >>> jeremy >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com Thu Sep 3 15:10:38 2009 From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (Stefan Pietrzak Youngs) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 15:10:38 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Safari Bookmarksfest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > My point Hugh is that you shouldn't have to go to such lengths for > what > is just a simple and obvious piece of programming. > > Nathan Stop being a spoilsport. I wouldn't get a prize your way. From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Thu Sep 3 18:31:47 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 18:31:47 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Apple Jack. Ta Robbie Message-ID: Hi I have been listening to Robbie 'bang on' about AppleJack for so long, I thought I would check it out. Wow! A truely excellent piece of software. Thanks Robbie. Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From hidunc at ntlworld.com Thu Sep 3 20:34:18 2009 From: hidunc at ntlworld.com (J L Duncan Bradford) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 20:34:18 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Book dog Message-ID: <> Spooky? Scared the pants off me. Glad I had the light on. Wish the cat hadn't jumped onto the chairback as it ended, may well need to source replacement cat. Dunc From homestuff49 at googlemail.com Fri Sep 4 02:08:32 2009 From: homestuff49 at googlemail.com (alan stephen) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 02:08:32 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Mac friendly ISP's In-Reply-To: <2BD3CBBB-0A19-4884-9275-1056C337C60F@btinternet.com> References: <2BD3CBBB-0A19-4884-9275-1056C337C60F@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <110c6d490909031808u3179b77bgd610bc657d1a2d9d@mail.gmail.com> Hi Karl I use Zen - they have Mac specialists and I'm on a monthly contract. Cheap they ain't, but very friendly, helpful and really know their stuff in my experience. On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Karl hortt wrote: > > Hi All, > > > A friend needs a mac friendly ISP who has a less than 1 year tie in or > a month by month contract > > any ideas ? > > regards > > > Karl > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Fri Sep 4 07:14:10 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 07:14:10 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Book dog In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <36AE47A3-4D92-40BC-859D-7890D55E225F@virgin.net> I Know Duncan. That voice was straight out of a horror film. Nathan On 3 Sep 2009, at 20:34, J L Duncan Bradford wrote: > < sort > this out. It also contains a rather spooky quick time movie.>> > > Spooky? Scared the pants off me. Glad I had the light on. Wish the > cat hadn't jumped onto the chairback as it ended, may well need to > source replacement cat. > Dunc > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com Fri Sep 4 08:53:50 2009 From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 08:53:50 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Multiple entries in iTunes Message-ID: What have I done now, after a recent 'archive n Install' I find in my iTunes music not just one copy, not two but three copies of some of the music. Is there a remedy, apart from being known as cack-handed Richard? Richard Stewart rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com From munkt0n at gmail.com Fri Sep 4 09:03:06 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 09:03:06 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Multiple entries in iTunes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Richard, I've used this script in the past for sorting out iTunes dupes. http://dougscripts.com/itunes/scripts/ss.php?sp=corraldupes On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Richard Stewart wrote: > What have I done now, after a recent 'archive n Install' I find in my > iTunes music not just one copy, not two but three copies of some of > the music. Is there a remedy, apart from being known as cack-handed > Richard? > Richard Stewart > rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- :wq From ken.hamer at stackyard.org Fri Sep 4 09:06:42 2009 From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer) Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 09:06:42 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Anyone want a G4 iMac (maybe 2) Message-ID: <4AA0CA92.4000407@stackyard.org> Dear All, I think I may be given one or even two old G4 iMacs (anglepoise variety). I believe one is a 17 inch and the other is a 15 inch. The 17 inch one is an 800MHz model with 512MB of RAM and an 80GB hard disk. If anyone is interested, let me know. I'll have more details on Monday. Ken From macman at f2s.com Fri Sep 4 10:59:51 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 10:59:51 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Advice Please! Message-ID: Last week my daughter came across the Powerbook 180 which I bought 2nd hand for her when she went to university in '95. Plugged it in, and it's up & running straight away - a real piece of OS 7.5 nostalgia, and for simple word processing, Appleworks does everything I would ever need, just as fast as the massive programmes we run today, bloated as they are with so many bells & whistles that no-one uses... Also has Filemaker Pro 3 and 'Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing', which she swears by. She has decided to advertise it on eBay, and of course it's up to dad to write the copy ..... I don't want to misrepresent, so I'd be grateful for confirmation that I'm reading the spec correctly. 1. The Hard Drive For some reason the icon calls itself 'Fujitsu 240', but it reads 102.1 MB The original spec offered 80 or 120 MB - is it safest to call it 100 MB? 2. Ram This reads 6,114k, doubled to 12,288 with Ram Doubler, which I remember installing. Original spec was 4MB, so I presume it's safe enough to advertise as 6MB? Any comments will be appreciated ..... Robbie P.S. she's rather excited, as this is mint and there are broken ones with no power supply on eBay USA for over $200, but they've been there a while. I reckon it might fetch about ?30 - ?50, but you never know .... Original RSP was $3,870.00! From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Fri Sep 4 11:10:19 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 11:10:19 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Animated GIF Maker Message-ID: <7C975116-3CDA-4A40-AE98-56596046A777@simonroyal.co.uk> Hi. I know animated GIFs are a little old these days, surpassed by high quality flash animations. Does anyone know of a good and easy way to make animated GIFs in OSX. I normally use Adobe ImageReady which is quite good, but wondered if there was an easier way or will any package I use need all the frames as separate images? Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk Fri Sep 4 11:15:44 2009 From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 11:15:44 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] LaCie USB external hard drive Message-ID: <9B7F359B-06C2-4B29-90E4-6CD737518163@mendelsohn.me.uk> Hi, Can anyone help or suggest what we should do? Our external hard drive seems to have stopped working - we use it solely for Time Machine back- ups and it has not worked since Monday. The hard drive icon does not appear in the finder or the desktop and we have tried restarting, disconnecting and reconnecting cables - pressing the reset button all with no success. If the hard drive has "died" who can we go to get this checked out and how does one retrieve the data off the hard disc? Thanks, Ed and Phyll From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Fri Sep 4 11:24:59 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 11:24:59 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Photoshop Advice Message-ID: <9FCF2F5D-C185-4191-BBD2-940312FF7FE2@simonroyal.co.uk> Hi. I need a little help with Photoshop, can anyone help? I am trying to create an animated GIF. One of the layers needs to get bigger with each frame. I am using the transform tool to grow it each time. Actually I am doing it in reverse so the layer gets smaller each time. However, the transform tool stretches from the corner. Is there anyway to change the way the transform tool stretches. I want to grow the layer from the middle, giving you an equal stretch all the way round rather than one corner. Or is there a different way to do it? I hope I have made it clear enough, it was quite hard to explain it. Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From alanbarber at mac.com Fri Sep 4 12:30:32 2009 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 12:30:32 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] flat screen monitor Message-ID: <53C1A295-16A1-4495-8847-9D794E5FA5F6@mac.com> If anyone has one of the above, at a reasonable price, would they contact me off group please. Regards Alan From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Fri Sep 4 13:03:28 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 13:03:28 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Photoshop Advice In-Reply-To: <9FCF2F5D-C185-4191-BBD2-940312FF7FE2@simonroyal.co.uk> References: <9FCF2F5D-C185-4191-BBD2-940312FF7FE2@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: <755C9BE3-286B-4F87-900D-AB4AADC1464E@virgin.net> Hi Simon Are you asking for the transform tool to 'transform' Equally ie. Pull one corner and the whole image resizes without distortion? If so, hold down the shift key when resizing. if not then sorry! Martin > I am trying to create an animated GIF. One of the layers needs to get > bigger with each frame. I am using the transform tool to grow it each > time. > > Actually I am doing it in reverse so the layer gets smaller each time. > However, the transform tool stretches from the corner. Is there anyway > to change the way the transform tool stretches. I want to grow the > layer from the middle, giving you an equal stretch all the way round > rather than one corner. > > Or is there a different way to do it? > > I hope I have made it clear enough, it was quite hard to explain it. > > Simon Royal > --- > Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on > 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, > SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Fri Sep 4 13:10:43 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 13:10:43 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Photoshop Advice In-Reply-To: <755C9BE3-286B-4F87-900D-AB4AADC1464E@virgin.net> References: <9FCF2F5D-C185-4191-BBD2-940312FF7FE2@simonroyal.co.uk> <755C9BE3-286B-4F87-900D-AB4AADC1464E@virgin.net> Message-ID: Martin I know the shift key will resize without distortion. I want to know if you could resize without distortion from the centre of an object. I worked it out. If you hold down shift and alt while dragging one of the corners it will resize from the centre point and not one edge. Simon On 4 Sep 2009, at 13:03, Martin Fry wrote: > > Hi Simon > > Are you asking for the transform tool to 'transform' Equally ie. Pull > one corner and the whole image resizes without distortion? > > If so, hold down the shift key when resizing. if not then sorry! > > Martin > > > > > > > > > > >> I am trying to create an animated GIF. One of the layers needs to get >> bigger with each frame. I am using the transform tool to grow it each >> time. >> >> Actually I am doing it in reverse so the layer gets smaller each >> time. >> However, the transform tool stretches from the corner. Is there >> anyway >> to change the way the transform tool stretches. I want to grow the >> layer from the middle, giving you an equal stretch all the way round >> rather than one corner. >> >> Or is there a different way to do it? >> >> I hope I have made it clear enough, it was quite hard to explain it. >> >> Simon Royal >> --- >> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on >> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, >> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > Martin Fry > www.martinfryphotography.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net Fri Sep 4 13:11:30 2009 From: Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net (Jeremy Webb) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 13:11:30 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Photoshop Advice In-Reply-To: <9FCF2F5D-C185-4191-BBD2-940312FF7FE2@simonroyal.co.uk> References: <9FCF2F5D-C185-4191-BBD2-940312FF7FE2@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: <31689D35-A429-4FC2-BC5A-335D3152AD22@virgin.net> Hi Simon You could (a) either put a finger on the shift key as you pull a corner box (this will keep the proportions the same as you resize) and then pull by same amount on opposite corner but this depends on how precise you want to be. You might already have taken this route. or (b) You might simply have to crop and resize copies of the original or (c) There's always the Canvas Size. Make copies of your image and for each copy use Canvas Size (with the centre box checked) to marginally increase each copy until you have the number required. Then simply duplicate each copy by dragging the Background onto "create additional layer" icon at foot of palette and then copy and paste the layers onto a new file (with same resolution set) and arrange them in the order you require. It's not an issue I've had to deal with if I need real precision. I'd usually use (a) but there may be better options, so I don't know if there are other more effective methods anyone else can chip in with.... Good luck :-) Jeremy Webb Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net On 4 Sep 2009, at 11:24, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi. > > I need a little help with Photoshop, can anyone help? > > I am trying to create an animated GIF. One of the layers needs to get > bigger with each frame. I am using the transform tool to grow it each > time. > > Actually I am doing it in reverse so the layer gets smaller each time. > However, the transform tool stretches from the corner. Is there anyway > to change the way the transform tool stretches. I want to grow the > layer from the middle, giving you an equal stretch all the way round > rather than one corner. > > Or is there a different way to do it? > > I hope I have made it clear enough, it was quite hard to explain it. > > Simon Royal > --- > Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on > 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, > SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug From Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net Fri Sep 4 13:16:38 2009 From: Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net (Jeremy Webb) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 13:16:38 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Photoshop Advice In-Reply-To: References: <9FCF2F5D-C185-4191-BBD2-940312FF7FE2@simonroyal.co.uk> <755C9BE3-286B-4F87-900D-AB4AADC1464E@virgin.net> Message-ID: <219E9084-3DC7-47A2-A09F-1B793990A536@virgin.net> Great tip Simon. I'll remember that one. Jeremy Webb Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net On 4 Sep 2009, at 13:10, Simon Royal wrote: > Martin > > I know the shift key will resize without distortion. I want to know if > you could resize without distortion from the centre of an object. > > I worked it out. > > If you hold down shift and alt while dragging one of the corners it > will resize from the centre point and not one edge. > > Simon > > On 4 Sep 2009, at 13:03, Martin Fry wrote: > >> >> Hi Simon >> >> Are you asking for the transform tool to 'transform' Equally ie. >> Pull >> one corner and the whole image resizes without distortion? >> >> If so, hold down the shift key when resizing. if not then sorry! >> >> Martin >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> I am trying to create an animated GIF. One of the layers needs to >>> get >>> bigger with each frame. I am using the transform tool to grow it >>> each >>> time. >>> >>> Actually I am doing it in reverse so the layer gets smaller each >>> time. >>> However, the transform tool stretches from the corner. Is there >>> anyway >>> to change the way the transform tool stretches. I want to grow the >>> layer from the middle, giving you an equal stretch all the way round >>> rather than one corner. >>> >>> Or is there a different way to do it? >>> >>> I hope I have made it clear enough, it was quite hard to explain it. >>> >>> Simon Royal >>> --- >>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on >>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, >>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ >>> listinfo/nmug >> >> Martin Fry >> www.martinfryphotography.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ >> listinfo/nmug >> > > Simon Royal > --- > Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on > 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, > SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug From sc at davidviner.com Fri Sep 4 13:41:07 2009 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 13:41:07 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Grab a Mac In-Reply-To: <79FA80D2-AF42-4780-9061-33094CA12631@simonroyal.co.uk> References: <79FA80D2-AF42-4780-9061-33094CA12631@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: <4AA10AE3.3070303@davidviner.com> Gone in 31 seconds. Well, that's one way of getting a new Mac! http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/03/apple_store_robbery/ http://bit.ly/grabamac Hopefully, the new Chapelfield store won't be quite as vulnerable to this sort of attack! David From sc at davidviner.com Fri Sep 4 13:42:23 2009 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 13:42:23 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard Update news In-Reply-To: <79FA80D2-AF42-4780-9061-33094CA12631@simonroyal.co.uk> References: <79FA80D2-AF42-4780-9061-33094CA12631@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: <4AA10B2F.1030109@davidviner.com> http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=5327&tag=nl.e589 Article contains a list of fixes. David From brian at clearlight.uk.net Fri Sep 4 18:23:02 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 18:23:02 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] LaCie USB external hard drive In-Reply-To: <9B7F359B-06C2-4B29-90E4-6CD737518163@mendelsohn.me.uk> Message-ID: If it is dead but the drive inside is ok - which is quite possible - you can open it up and connect it in another case or means of connection - and transfer data. But if it is only Time Machine data - you could sit on it and only pursue the data if a real need for an old file arose - for you can make a new backup of current files on a new disk. You need someone near you to try a few things to check it out. I presume its out of warranty? I presume the drive turns on ok and that you tried connecting this directly as the only usb device? all the best Brian Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn said recently: > Hi, > > Can anyone help or suggest what we should do? Our external hard drive > seems to have stopped working - we use it solely for Time Machine back- > ups and it has not worked since Monday. The hard drive icon does not > appear in the finder or the desktop and we have tried restarting, > disconnecting and reconnecting cables - pressing the reset button all > with no success. > > If the hard drive has "died" who can we go to get this checked out and > how does one retrieve the data off the hard disc? > > Thanks, > > Ed and Phyll > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From brian at clearlight.uk.net Fri Sep 4 18:25:09 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 18:25:09 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Photoshop Advice In-Reply-To: <9FCF2F5D-C185-4191-BBD2-940312FF7FE2@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: I haven't got it open but have you tried moving a corner handle while option is down? This is a way of making marquee selections from a centre - so it may work. If it changes proportion try shift as well - after having started dragging. all the best Brian Simon Royal said recently: > Hi. > > I need a little help with Photoshop, can anyone help? > > I am trying to create an animated GIF. One of the layers needs to get > bigger with each frame. I am using the transform tool to grow it each > time. > > Actually I am doing it in reverse so the layer gets smaller each time. > However, the transform tool stretches from the corner. Is there anyway > to change the way the transform tool stretches. I want to grow the > layer from the middle, giving you an equal stretch all the way round > rather than one corner. > > Or is there a different way to do it? > > I hope I have made it clear enough, it was quite hard to explain it. > > Simon Royal > --- > Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on > 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, > SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From rob at lucking.idps.co.uk Fri Sep 4 18:30:33 2009 From: rob at lucking.idps.co.uk (Rob Lucking) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 18:30:33 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] External DVD drives Message-ID: <5B7DD86A-A99D-4671-BC75-AE003D9DA716@lucking.idps.co.uk> Hi all I'm after an external DVD drive to back up my photo library and was wondering whether anyone had any recommendations on what's good or what should be avoided. Thanks in advance. Rob From macman at f2s.com Fri Sep 4 18:38:18 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 18:38:18 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] External DVD drives In-Reply-To: <5B7DD86A-A99D-4671-BC75-AE003D9DA716@lucking.idps.co.uk> References: <5B7DD86A-A99D-4671-BC75-AE003D9DA716@lucking.idps.co.uk> Message-ID: <0895E54E-D3E0-483C-B89F-EB96F4AA80F7@f2s.com> I've been very happy with LaCie .... Firewire is always worth considering, since it can be used to boot and installation drive from a system disk if your machine ever goes down. Also, despite all the stats , claims and comparisons, for me, in practice Firewire 400 has always been faster than USB2. Robbie On 4 Sep 2009, at 18:30, Rob Lucking wrote: Hi all I'm after an external DVD drive to back up my photo library and was wondering whether anyone had any recommendations on what's good or what should be avoided. Thanks in advance. Rob _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From brian at clearlight.uk.net Fri Sep 4 18:40:59 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 18:40:59 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] External DVD drives In-Reply-To: <5B7DD86A-A99D-4671-BC75-AE003D9DA716@lucking.idps.co.uk> Message-ID: I don't know if anything I knew is current but you can get an enclosure - I've always gone for firewire - and put in the latest Pioneer drive. Pretty simple to do and cheap. There are (usually) some already done on eBay if you don't like screwdrivers. http://www.xlr8yourmac is the place to look if you want to check other's experiences. Or you can just pay extra and get via a Mac reseller. I don't know about USB2 but USB1 was very poor for optical drives. Not a bad idea for photos to keep a back up elsewhere but a lot more kfaffle than a hard drive though you can probably keep track of them via various software even if they are offdisk. hope this helps regards Brian Rob Lucking said recently: > Hi all > > I'm after an external DVD drive to back up my photo library and was > wondering whether anyone had any recommendations on what's good or > what should be avoided. > > Thanks in advance. > > Rob > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk Fri Sep 4 22:24:53 2009 From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 22:24:53 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] LaCie USB external hard drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Brian. The drive does not turn on, so presume it is dead. On the advice of our son in London (an experienced Mac user) we have ordered a new external hard drive - Seagate this time - as he said he has had trouble in the past with Lacie, and has 2 Lacie "dead" hard drives lying around. It is only Time Machine data, so we will just hang onto it in case we ever need to retrieve any data, which is doubtful. We will try and see if we can connect it to our daughter's iMac and see what happens. All the best Ed On 4 Sep 2009, at 18:23, Brian Steere wrote: > If it is dead but the drive inside is ok - which is quite possible - > you can > open it up and connect it in another case or means of connection - and > transfer data. But if it is only Time Machine data - you could sit > on it and > only pursue the data if a real need for an old file arose - for you > can make > a new backup of current files on a new disk. > > You need someone near you to try a few things to check it out. > I presume its out of warranty? > > I presume the drive turns on ok and that you tried connecting this > directly > as the only usb device? > > all the best > Brian > it > From brian at clearlight.uk.net Sat Sep 5 00:27:00 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 00:27:00 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] LaCie USB external hard drive In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You almost certainly only needed a new power adapter for the La Cie - not that they are that cheap. For my D2 triple it cost 20 something pounds. Maybe someone else reading uses a similar supply and could use the drive - or indeed test their own power adapter. La Cie's are not unknown for this liability as I found when mine went and I googled about. all the best Brian Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn said recently: > Thanks Brian. > > The drive does not turn on, so presume it is dead. On the advice of > our son in London (an experienced Mac user) we have ordered a new > external hard drive - Seagate this time - as he said he has had > trouble in the past with Lacie, and has 2 Lacie "dead" hard drives > lying around. It is only Time Machine data, so we will just hang onto > it in case we ever need to retrieve any data, which is doubtful. We > will try and see if we can connect it to our daughter's iMac and see > what happens. > > All the best > > Ed > > > On 4 Sep 2009, at 18:23, Brian Steere wrote: > >> If it is dead but the drive inside is ok - which is quite possible - >> you can >> open it up and connect it in another case or means of connection - and >> transfer data. But if it is only Time Machine data - you could sit >> on it and >> only pursue the data if a real need for an old file arose - for you >> can make >> a new backup of current files on a new disk. >> >> You need someone near you to try a few things to check it out. >> I presume its out of warranty? >> >> I presume the drive turns on ok and that you tried connecting this >> directly >> as the only usb device? >> >> all the best >> Brian >> it >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From brian at clearlight.uk.net Sat Sep 5 00:30:41 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 00:30:41 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard Update news In-Reply-To: <4AA10B2F.1030109@davidviner.com> Message-ID: So come on folks - what's the new experience like? Or does it need longer to come through? I use Photoshop CS1 and don't want to do without it or be forced to upgrade so I haven't put it on mine as yet - and cant use it for ppc Powerbooks. regards Brian From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk Sat Sep 5 07:14:26 2009 From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 07:14:26 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] LaCie USB external hard drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2D1763F6-C0F5-415B-9123-93AEAD2075FF@mendelsohn.me.uk> Thanks for the information Brian. We have emailed Lacie about it and it will be interesting to see how they respond. If it is only the power adapter, then we will have an extra external hard drive, which we can always make use of. All the best Ed On 5 Sep 2009, at 00:27, Brian Steere wrote: > You almost certainly only needed a new power adapter for the La Cie > - not > that they are that cheap. > For my D2 triple it cost 20 something pounds. > Maybe someone else reading uses a similar supply and could use the > drive - > or indeed test their own power adapter. > La Cie's are not unknown for this liability as I found when mine > went and I > googled about. > > all the best > Brian > > > Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn said recently: > >> Thanks Brian. >> >> The drive does not turn on, so presume it is dead. On the advice of >> our son in London (an experienced Mac user) we have ordered a new >> external hard drive - Seagate this time - as he said he has had >> trouble in the past with Lacie, and has 2 Lacie "dead" hard drives >> lying around. It is only Time Machine data, so we will just hang onto >> it in case we ever need to retrieve any data, which is doubtful. We >> will try and see if we can connect it to our daughter's iMac and see >> what happens. >> >> All the best >> >> Ed >> >> >> On 4 Sep 2009, at 18:23, Brian Steere wrote: >> >>> If it is dead but the drive inside is ok - which is quite possible - >>> you can >>> open it up and connect it in another case or means of connection - >>> and >>> transfer data. But if it is only Time Machine data - you could sit >>> on it and >>> only pursue the data if a real need for an old file arose - for you >>> can make >>> a new backup of current files on a new disk. >>> >>> You need someone near you to try a few things to check it out. >>> I presume its out of warranty? >>> >>> I presume the drive turns on ok and that you tried connecting this >>> directly >>> as the only usb device? > From karl.hortt at btinternet.com Sat Sep 5 08:41:24 2009 From: karl.hortt at btinternet.com (Karl hortt) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 08:41:24 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard Message-ID: <449829AB-3A79-472B-AFC9-DED8756C84A2@btinternet.com> Hi All, I installed SL on day one and was very excited....... really cannot say that its been great computer has crashed on a number of occasions... never did with Leopard on restarting, all icons are all over the place on the desktop !! cannot use Macspeech Dictate, waiting for an update, as I use it everyday, am disappointed ! not one of Apples best I think !! dont think it is worth ?25, although I only paid ?7.95 thought Apple stated that finder is faster and that spotlight did more, have not found either regards Karl From allanmacam at me.com Sat Sep 5 09:39:13 2009 From: allanmacam at me.com (Allan) Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 09:39:13 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] LaCie USB external hard drive In-Reply-To: <2D1763F6-C0F5-415B-9123-93AEAD2075FF@mendelsohn.me.uk> References: <2D1763F6-C0F5-415B-9123-93AEAD2075FF@mendelsohn.me.uk> Message-ID: I had the same problem with a 'dead' Lacie drive when in fact, the problem was only a failed power supply. As you say, they are not expensive to replace and a much cheaper option than a new drive. AJ On 5 Sep 2009, at 07:14, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: >> You almost certainly only needed a new power adapter for the La Cie >> - not >> that they are that cheap. >> For my D2 triple it cost 20 something pounds. >> Maybe someone else reading uses a similar supply and could use the >> drive - >> or indeed test their own power adapter. >> La Cie's are not unknown for this liability as I found when mine >> went and I >> googled about. From allanmacam at me.com Sat Sep 5 09:40:57 2009 From: allanmacam at me.com (Allan) Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 09:40:57 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard In-Reply-To: <449829AB-3A79-472B-AFC9-DED8756C84A2@btinternet.com> References: <449829AB-3A79-472B-AFC9-DED8756C84A2@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <1921A420-5BF5-47B6-9471-D5B67D5DC406@me.com> Did you upgrade or do a clean install? On 5 Sep 2009, at 08:41, Karl hortt wrote: > > Hi All, > > I installed SL on day one and was very excited....... > > thought Apple stated that finder is faster and that spotlight did > more, have not found either > From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Sat Sep 5 09:48:02 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 09:48:02 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard In-Reply-To: <1921A420-5BF5-47B6-9471-D5B67D5DC406@me.com> References: <449829AB-3A79-472B-AFC9-DED8756C84A2@btinternet.com> <1921A420-5BF5-47B6-9471-D5B67D5DC406@me.com> Message-ID: Hi I have always had bad experiences when doing an upgrade. Well, not bad, but a clean install always seems to give a faster, sleeker system. It just seems to clear out all the dross. After a year and a half to two years of having the same install on your hard drive it fills up with random apps and preferences. While mac apps are usually contained in one file in your Applications folder they still splatter little files in other places that don't go when you remove the app. I think you can never get a true judge of an OS if you install it over your existing one. I upgraded to Leopard from Tiger and it worked fine, but then I did a fresh install and it was so much better and quicker. Simon On 5 Sep 2009, at 09:40, Allan wrote: > Did you upgrade or do a clean install? > > > On 5 Sep 2009, at 08:41, Karl hortt wrote: > >> >> Hi All, >> >> I installed SL on day one and was very excited....... >> >> thought Apple stated that finder is faster and that spotlight did >> more, have not found either >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From munkt0n at gmail.com Sat Sep 5 10:01:02 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 10:01:02 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard Update news In-Reply-To: References: <4AA10B2F.1030109@davidviner.com> Message-ID: I'm liking it so far. The new finder is great, the icon size slider in icon view is a great idea, so is the dimmed device icon when you eject a drive/volume - it's nice to know something's actually happening when you hit the eject key. The animated transition when you click the 'tic tac' is pointless but nice to look at! Java has been cleaned up, I used to have 6 versions of Java cluttering up the place, now there's only 2 - Java 6 32 or 64 bit. boot and shut down is much faster. it freed up nearly 8GB of disk space There have been a few minor problems WMV files popped up a dialog saying they need quicktime player 7 to run, but changing the file association for WMV from 'wmv player' to quicktime player fixed this. Quicksilver didn't work properly, but I've since found an update. Most of my custom pref-panes were broken, I missed iStat menus the most, but this has now been fixed with a new version. I'm quite surprised that these were the only issues, my MBP started life as Tiger, was upgraded to Leopard and then Snow Leopard. There's been a lot of interesting (for geeks anyway) 'invisible' updates in the background, a lot of them seem to be just future proofing OS X, it's worth reading the arstechnica 23 page review for all the gory details http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2009/08/mac-os-x-10-6.ars On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 12:30 AM, Brian Steere wrote: > So come on folks - what's the new experience like? > Or does it need longer to come through? > I use Photoshop CS1 and don't want to do without it or be forced to upgrade > so I haven't put it on mine as yet - and cant use it for ppc Powerbooks. > > regards > Brian I'm liking it so far. The new finder is great, the icon size slider in icon view is a great idea, so is the dimmed device icon when you eject a drive/volume - it's nice to know something's actually happening when you hit the eject key. The animated transition when you click the 'tic tac' is pointless but nice to look at! Java has been cleaned up, I used to have 6 versions of Java cluttering up the place, now there's only 2 - Java 6 32 or 64 bit. boot and shut down is much faster. it freed up nearly 8GB of disk space There have been a few minor problems WMV files popped up a dialog saying they need quicktime player 7 to run, but changing the file association for WMV from 'wmv player' to quicktime player fixed this. Quicksilver didn't work properly, but I've since found an update. Most of my custom pref-panes were broken, I missed iStat menus the most, but this has now been fixed with a new version. I'm quite surprised that these were the only issues, my MBP started life as Tiger, was upgraded to Leopard and then Snow Leopard. There's been a lot of interesting (for geeks anyway) 'invisible' updates in the background, a lot of them seem to be just future proofing OS X, it's worth reading the arstechnica 23 page review for all the gory details http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2009/08/mac-os-x-10-6.ars -- :wq From hannaford at sizzel.net Sat Sep 5 11:28:57 2009 From: hannaford at sizzel.net (Jennifer Hannaford) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 11:28:57 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 68, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F1BF71B-13D6-4892-94F6-87E37D0A715F@sizzel.net> > Message: 12 > Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 11:24:59 +0100 > From: Simon Royal > Subject: [NMUG] Photoshop Advice > To: nmug at durrant.co.uk > Message-ID: <9FCF2F5D-C185-4191-BBD2-940312FF7FE2 at simonroyal.co.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Hi. > > I need a little help with Photoshop, can anyone help? > > I am trying to create an animated GIF. One of the layers needs to get > bigger with each frame. I am using the transform tool to grow it each > time. > > Actually I am doing it in reverse so the layer gets smaller each time. > However, the transform tool stretches from the corner. Is there anyway > to change the way the transform tool stretches. I want to grow the > layer from the middle, giving you an equal stretch all the way round > rather than one corner. > > Or is there a different way to do it? > > I hope I have made it clear enough, it was quite hard to explain it. > > Simon Royal Hi Simon when in transform hold the shift button to change size, in proportion, hold the option button to alter from centre, and hold both to adjust size from the centre. Jennifer From david at vanedwards.co.uk Sat Sep 5 11:37:57 2009 From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 11:37:57 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard In-Reply-To: References: <449829AB-3A79-472B-AFC9-DED8756C84A2@btinternet.com> <1921A420-5BF5-47B6-9471-D5B67D5DC406@me.com> Message-ID: Hi Simon, Thea's just about to install Snow Leopard as present from me so how should she do a clean install rather than upgrade? Will a dialogue come up offering the choice and will she then have to reinstall all her other applications and documents from the back up? Sorry to be a bit dim. Best wishes, David >Hi > >I have always had bad experiences when doing an upgrade. Well, not >bad, but a clean install always seems to give a faster, sleeker system. > >It just seems to clear out all the dross. After a year and a half to >two years of having the same install on your hard drive it fills up >with random apps and preferences. While mac apps are usually contained >in one file in your Applications folder they still splatter little >files in other places that don't go when you remove the app. > >I think you can never get a true judge of an OS if you install it over >your existing one. > >I upgraded to Leopard from Tiger and it worked fine, but then I did a >fresh install and it was so much better and quicker. > >Simon > >On 5 Sep 2009, at 09:40, Allan wrote: > >> Did you upgrade or do a clean install? >> >> >> On 5 Sep 2009, at 08:41, Karl hortt wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I installed SL on day one and was very excited....... >>> >>> thought Apple stated that finder is faster and that spotlight did >>> more, have not found either >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: >>http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > >Simon Royal >--- >Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on >'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, >SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk From allanmacam at me.com Sat Sep 5 12:19:24 2009 From: allanmacam at me.com (Allan) Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 12:19:24 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard In-Reply-To: References: <449829AB-3A79-472B-AFC9-DED8756C84A2@btinternet.com> <1921A420-5BF5-47B6-9471-D5B67D5DC406@me.com> Message-ID: When you insert the disk and click the install icon, an option appears in the bottom left corner named Utilities. Clicking this will restart the machine and it will boot from the installation disk. Once booted the language you wish to use is chosen, go to the menu bar and select Disk Utility. Here you can reformat/erase the boot drive on your machine. Once finished you are back in the installer and you can continue with a clean Install. Don't worry if the machine reboots itself a couple of times, it's normal. Once booted into Snow Leopard you can reinstall your applications and bring back any data you require from a backup. AJ On 5 Sep 2009, at 11:37, David Van Edwards wrote: > Hi Simon, > > Thea's just about to install Snow Leopard as present from me so how > should she do a clean install rather than upgrade? Will a dialogue > come up offering the choice and will she then have to reinstall all > her other applications and documents from the back up? > > Sorry to be a bit dim. > > Best wishes, > > David > > > >> Hi >> >> I have always had bad experiences when doing an upgrade. Well, not >> bad, but a clean install always seems to give a faster, sleeker >> system. >> >> It just seems to clear out all the dross. After a year and a half to >> two years of having the same install on your hard drive it fills up >> with random apps and preferences. While mac apps are usually >> contained >> in one file in your Applications folder they still splatter little >> files in other places that don't go when you remove the app. >> >> I think you can never get a true judge of an OS if you install it >> over >> your existing one. >> >> I upgraded to Leopard from Tiger and it worked fine, but then I did a >> fresh install and it was so much better and quicker. >> >> Simon >> >> On 5 Sep 2009, at 09:40, Allan wrote: >> >>> Did you upgrade or do a clean install? >>> >>> >>> On 5 Sep 2009, at 08:41, Karl hortt wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> I installed SL on day one and was very excited....... >>>> >>>> thought Apple stated that finder is faster and that spotlight did >>>> more, have not found either >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: >>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >> >> Simon Royal >> --- >> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on >> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, >> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > -- > The Smokehouse, > 6 Whitwell Road, > Norwich, NR1 4HB > England. > > Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 > Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From david at vanedwards.co.uk Sat Sep 5 12:40:50 2009 From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 12:40:50 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard In-Reply-To: References: <449829AB-3A79-472B-AFC9-DED8756C84A2@btinternet.com> <1921A420-5BF5-47B6-9471-D5B67D5DC406@me.com> Message-ID: Thanks Allan, that's very clear and helpful! Best wishes, David >When you insert the disk and click the install icon, an option appears >in the bottom left corner named Utilities. Clicking this will restart >the machine and it will boot from the installation disk. Once booted >the language you wish to use is chosen, go to the menu bar and select >Disk Utility. Here you can reformat/erase the boot drive on your >machine. Once finished you are back in the installer and you can >continue with a clean Install. > >Don't worry if the machine reboots itself a couple of times, it's >normal. Once booted into Snow Leopard you can reinstall your >applications and bring back any data you require from a backup. > > >AJ -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk From paul at durrant.co.uk Sat Sep 5 13:22:56 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 13:22:56 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard In-Reply-To: References: <449829AB-3A79-472B-AFC9-DED8756C84A2@btinternet.com> <1921A420-5BF5-47B6-9471-D5B67D5DC406@me.com> Message-ID: <20B66E09-E7EE-4ADD-AD56-F183A6AF3800@durrant.co.uk> That's certainly a very clean install. A half-way house that gets you most of the benefits of a completely clean install without the time- consuming re-install of everything it to do an "Archive and Install". I again recommend the Take Control ebook on upgrading system software. There's one specifically for Snow Leopard: http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/snow-leopard-upgrading regards, Paul On 5 Sep 2009, at 12:19, Allan wrote: > When you insert the disk and click the install icon, an option appears > in the bottom left corner named Utilities. Clicking this will restart > the machine and it will boot from the installation disk. Once booted > the language you wish to use is chosen, go to the menu bar and select > Disk Utility. Here you can reformat/erase the boot drive on your > machine. Once finished you are back in the installer and you can > continue with a clean Install. > > Don't worry if the machine reboots itself a couple of times, it's > normal. Once booted into Snow Leopard you can reinstall your > applications and bring back any data you require from a backup. > > On 5 Sep 2009, at 11:37, David Van Edwards wrote: > >> Thea's just about to install Snow Leopard as present from me so how >> should she do a clean install rather than upgrade? Will a dialogue >> come up offering the choice and will she then have to reinstall all >> her other applications and documents from the back up? From richardivers at mac.com Sat Sep 5 15:27:30 2009 From: richardivers at mac.com (Richard Ivers) Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 15:27:30 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] beginners course In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6167CCB7-DE03-409E-AE18-37DB4C76F830@mac.com> Count me in also. Regards Richard Ivers From hidunc at ntlworld.com Sun Sep 6 01:29:09 2009 From: hidunc at ntlworld.com (J L Duncan Bradford) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 01:29:09 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Help for Madeline? Message-ID: <55E0AB53-A0BB-4985-8B50-0C24367B459B@ntlworld.com> Madeline, whom some of you may remember, has contacted me with a problem. For various reasons she has upgraded to cable broadband from Virgin/BT ADSL. She can access the internet but email doesn't function. After 4 hours on phone Virgin have reached the end of their tether & basically said, after trying all suggestions, that it was nothing they could help her with. I cannot help thinking it's a simple matter of deleting old settings properly & resetting correctly, but I'm not much further ahead technically than she is. I think Kevan is going to have a go, but has anyone any obvious things to try [apart from 'preferences' which have been correctly updated.] Is there a cache of settings somewhere? Can't find one on my system. -------------- next part -------------- From tomkershaw at mac.com Sun Sep 6 01:40:10 2009 From: tomkershaw at mac.com (Tom Kershaw) Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 01:40:10 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Help for Madeline? In-Reply-To: <55E0AB53-A0BB-4985-8B50-0C24367B459B@ntlworld.com> References: <55E0AB53-A0BB-4985-8B50-0C24367B459B@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <4AA304EA.5030105@mac.com> To reconfirm, Madeline can connect to the internet and browse the world wide web? How is she trying to work with e-mail? Tom. J L Duncan Bradford wrote: > Madeline, whom some of you may remember, has contacted me with a > problem. For various reasons she has upgraded to cable broadband from > Virgin/BT ADSL. She can access the internet but email doesn't > function. After 4 hours on phone Virgin have reached the end of their > tether & basically said, after trying all suggestions, that it was > nothing they could help her with. I cannot help thinking it's a > simple matter of deleting old settings properly & resetting correctly, > but I'm not much further ahead technically than she is. > I think Kevan is going to have a go, but has anyone any obvious things > to try [apart from 'preferences' which have been correctly updated.] > Is there a cache of settings somewhere? Can't find one on my system. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Sun Sep 6 09:35:15 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 09:35:15 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Help for Madeline? In-Reply-To: <4AA304EA.5030105@mac.com> References: <55E0AB53-A0BB-4985-8B50-0C24367B459B@ntlworld.com> <4AA304EA.5030105@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi. Virgin offer webmail access as well as POP for their email addresses, so even if you cannot get POP to work you should be able to get into webmail as she has access to the internet. If it is another provider, then what program is she using? Simon On 6 Sep 2009, at 01:40, Tom Kershaw wrote: > To reconfirm, Madeline can connect to the internet and browse the > world > wide web? How is she trying to work with e-mail? Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From paul at durrant.co.uk Sun Sep 6 15:18:38 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 15:18:38 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard "Up-To-Date" Disk Message-ID: <1FF99F02-4B32-4C7F-B0C6-A094A107C332@durrant.co.uk> Hi All, I've just found out that I was wrong about something. I thought that Snow Leopard would always install without checking for Mc OS X 10.5 This isn't true. The disk I got with the Mac OS X Up-To-Date programme won't install on a blank machine, it requires an installation of Mac OS X 10.5 before it'll install. I was trying to install on a fairly old machine - one that came out before Mac OS X 10.5 came out. I suspect that the 10.5 OS check only applies when being installed on a Mac that came out before Mac OS 10.5 was released, but I haven't experimented further. Paul From ken.hamer at stackyard.org Sun Sep 6 23:52:33 2009 From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer) Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2009 23:52:33 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Help for Madeline? In-Reply-To: <55E0AB53-A0BB-4985-8B50-0C24367B459B@ntlworld.com> References: <55E0AB53-A0BB-4985-8B50-0C24367B459B@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <4AA43D31.1040100@stackyard.org> 4 hours on the phone!? Pretty impressive. That's stamina. First, I am either not reading properly or your second sentence is wrong. You can either have a cable or ADSL connection from Virgin Media or an ADSL connection from BT but you are unlikely to have both unless you have been misled and are paying twice. So let's assume that she has a Virgin cable connection and NOT ADSL broadband from BT (you could actually use both but that would be mad). In what way is her email not functioning? Is it not sending or not receiving? Or is it both? One would have thought that the Virgin support people would know what is required but this can be a naive assumption. If email doesn't work, it is because one or more of the settings is wrong or the account has not been set up correctly or at least not with the known credentials. I've never seen any cached settings. Without knowing anything about the situation, e.g. what sort of machine/OS Madeline has or what error message is appearing, a starting point would be http://tinyurl.com/lqkhjw which is the page for setting up Apple Mail for use with a Virgin Media cable connection but without more info, I can go no further. As others have indicated, if she can get see web pages, it should also be possible for her to see her email through the Virgin webmail gateway which bypasses any local email settings. If this doesn't work either, then there is a problem with her account, i.e. it has not been set up yet. Any chance of more information? Ken J L Duncan Bradford wrote: > Madeline, whom some of you may remember, has contacted me with a > problem. For various reasons she has upgraded to cable broadband from > Virgin/BT ADSL. She can access the internet but email doesn't > function. After 4 hours on phone Virgin have reached the end of their > tether & basically said, after trying all suggestions, that it was > nothing they could help her with. I cannot help thinking it's a > simple matter of deleting old settings properly & resetting correctly, > but I'm not much further ahead technically than she is. > I think Kevan is going to have a go, but has anyone any obvious things > to try [apart from 'preferences' which have been correctly updated.] > Is there a cache of settings somewhere? Can't find one on my system. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From hidunc at ntlworld.com Mon Sep 7 10:51:54 2009 From: hidunc at ntlworld.com (J L Duncan Bradford) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 10:51:54 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Help for Madeline Message-ID: Using Mail; set up is as before [ie 'vanilla', as it came out of the box] Account reconfigured with new settings as given by Virgin, but it just reverts to the old Virgin ADSL settings. Kevan is round there as I type but having backed up the messages and binned the plist it still won't accept the new account settings. Accessing her old email account via selfcare is not an option because once one changes from VirginADSL to cable the Virgin site seems to erase all memory. If you try to access, it just says 'no longer supported' in effect. Will let you know how it pans out... Duncan < To reconfirm, Madeline can connect to the internet and browse the > world > wide web? How is she trying to work with e-mail?>> > -------------- next part -------------- From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Mon Sep 7 10:53:47 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 10:53:47 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Flickr Organising Message-ID: <1855A341-5B22-4358-9AF3-2ED1478E825A@simonroyal.co.uk> Hi. I have a Flickr account which housing picture of me and pictures of my Mac ventures. http://www.flickr.com/photos/meandmymacs/ I started it about six months ago, but had pictures older than that. I labelled each picture as to which month they were taken but when I view the Flickr gallery it puts them all over the place. I have tried the Flickr organiser but it doesn't work very well. Is there an easy way to reorder the pictures or would I have to set it to 'sort by date' and then manually change the dates on the pictures? Or is there a Flickr standalone app for reordering photos? Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From brian at clearlight.uk.net Mon Sep 7 11:02:54 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 11:02:54 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Numbers and pages question Message-ID: In AppleWorks SS I could print a selected range of cells ? I cant find this in Numbers ? is it hiding somewhere?? In AppleWorks I could publish and subscribe so that the selected spreadsheet was effectively embedded in a word processing document and editing either updated both. Tidbits suggested this facility had been introduced into iWork 09 ? but I cant find it ??? I can paste selected cells from Numbers into Pages and retain all formatting and cells etc ? but if I can find a way of live embedding I?d rather do that so as not to have to manually update every time I edit the data. My end result is to print a booklet of tabular data laid out as facing pages. As far as I can see it ? Numbers printing and layout options are limited. Choosing names like Pages and Numbers is microsoftian ? trying to equate the universal with their specific software. It also makes googling for information much more unlikely to succeed. all the best Brian From yahooist at anyisle.com Mon Sep 7 13:50:33 2009 From: yahooist at anyisle.com (Neil S.) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 13:50:33 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Time Machine Qs Message-ID: Hello again Macognoscenti, Last week I upgraded my iMac G5 2Mhz 2MB from Tiger to Leopard along with upgrades to iLife and iWork 09. I have been most impressed. I want to make use of Time Machine so have ordered a Seagate FreeAgent Desk 1TB For Mac, for delivery tomorrow. I intend to attach this by FW400. I have a few options which I hope the group can advise on: 1. Should I partition the drive and do a bootable OSX install on it? 2. What should I tell TM not to back up? I'm thinking of caches here but am wondering if there are other areas as well. 3. Are there other issues I need consider before I embark on a strategy? All your thoughts and comments welcomed. Regards... Neil -- Sent from my ? iPhone From macman at f2s.com Mon Sep 7 14:46:10 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 14:46:10 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Time Machine Qs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9FD70D6E-A049-4EED-B8A6-19CA94151905@f2s.com> Hi Neil I would recommend partitioning and using SuperDuper to maintain a regular bootable clone on one partition, and time Machine on the other, so you have the best of both worlds, as in the event of any disaster you can run straight off the clone, or use it to restore everything to your Hard Drive. Remember, however, that it will only restore it to the state it was in at exactly the point when SuperDuper last backed up, as it's snapshot of your machine. Time Machine, on the other hand, is a chronological series of snapshots, and unlike SuperDuper will have hourly backups for the current day, and daily backups going back as far as the available space allows, since it will fill up, then drop the oldest file off the cliff at the back to add new backups. In each case, the space to allocate is dependent on the volume of used space on the internal HD, and will obviously vary from machine to machine - my iMac is currently using 180GB out of 300, and this is fairly consistent, so my 200GB SuperDuper partition on an external drive has just over 20GB Free, which I'm comfortable with (I use another 100GB on this drive for long term storage of Video) I use a separate External drive for Time machine, also partitioned, with 200GB allocated, and this gives me daily backups going back about 3 weeks, but if your internal drive has less space in use, you would get a longer history. It's personal choice but I would guess you would be pretty safe allocating 1.5 times the current file volume of your internal drive to a SuperDuper partition, then Time machine will take care if itself on the other. You may even consider 3 partitions on your 1TB, with the third for long term archive storage! Regarding what to backup and what to exclude, everything will be on the SuperDuper clone, so you may choose only to backup your personal user folder (and possibly Apps) to Time Machine, as you always have the alternative recovery scenario of booting from the Restore Disk and pulling all your personal data from TM. Hope this helps. Robbie On 7 Sep 2009, at 13:50, Neil S. wrote: Hello again Macognoscenti, Last week I upgraded my iMac G5 2Mhz 2MB from Tiger to Leopard along with upgrades to iLife and iWork 09. I have been most impressed. I want to make use of Time Machine so have ordered a Seagate FreeAgent Desk 1TB For Mac, for delivery tomorrow. I intend to attach this by FW400. I have a few options which I hope the group can advise on: 1. Should I partition the drive and do a bootable OSX install on it? 2. What should I tell TM not to back up? I'm thinking of caches here but am wondering if there are other areas as well. 3. Are there other issues I need consider before I embark on a strategy? All your thoughts and comments welcomed. Regards... Neil -- Sent from my ? iPhone _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From brian at clearlight.uk.net Mon Sep 7 14:51:26 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2009 14:51:26 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Time Machine Qs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If all you want is Time Machine then I wouldn't make a boot partition. If you also want it to hold a clone of your system that you can boot from then you can do so. As for what not to back up - I would only exclude those very large files that change frequently - such as an email database. Not worth getting involved in 'what caches?' - in my opinion. Let Time Machine save time. all the best Brian Neil S. said recently: > Hello again Macognoscenti, Last week I upgraded my iMac G5 2Mhz 2MB from > Tiger to Leopard along with upgrades to iLife and iWork 09. I have been most > impressed. I want to make use of Time Machine so have ordered a Seagate > FreeAgent Desk 1TB For Mac, for delivery tomorrow. I intend to attach this > by FW400. I have a few options which I hope the group can advise on: 1. > Should I partition the drive and do a bootable OSX install on it? 2. What > should I tell TM not to back up? I'm thinking of caches here but am > wondering if there are other areas as well. 3. Are there other issues I need > consider before I embark on a strategy? All your thoughts and comments > welcomed. Regards... Neil -- Sent from my ? > iPhone _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG > list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk Manage your subscription at: > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Mon Sep 7 16:57:11 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 16:57:11 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iPhone Or MacBook Message-ID: Hi. I am looking at buying an iPhone and a MacBook, however I can't do both at the same time - financial reasons as usual - so which one would you lot go for first? I have a PowerBook G4 (it is a Titanium 867Mhz with 1GB of RAM, so still pretty nippy) which I have had for about six months and it copes with everything I do, just about. I don't do anything to heavy on it. No video compression, very little music conversion. I use it for web, emailing, writing and updating my iPod. I have a Nokia E65 smartphone, which is a great phone and great device when I am not at home. It has 3G, wifi, average web browser and email client, plus the usual standard phone stuff, but a standard phone keyboard. Both my PowerBook and my phone do what I want them to just about. My PowerBook is getting a little old and will soon need replacing, my phone too. A MacBook - even an old one - is going to be ?300 ish. An iPhone 2G (i don't live in a 3G area nor have an unlimited data package on my contract) is going to be around ?100-?150. If I got an iPhone it would be jailbroken. I am wondering whether an iPhone would kind of replace my laptop for the majority of my online time. It would be a great browsing and emailing device as well as a replacement for my aging iPod Photo and Nokia. I already use my Nokia a lot for emailing and browsing when at home as it has wifi and it is in my pocket and handy. An iPhone has a much better browser and mail client than my current phone and besides burning discs, design and picture editing apps, does everything my PowerBook does - just in a smaller handier package. I'm torn. Which one first. I should point out my PowerBook has an Airport Extreme card and a USB 2.0 card - two of the main limitation why people upgraded to an Aluminum or MacBook already. Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com Mon Sep 7 18:53:41 2009 From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (Gmail) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 18:53:41 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iPhone Or MacBook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would go for an iPhone as you still have a half decent Mac. iPhones have only just been upgraded where Macbooks were refreshed about 4 months ago. This will give you time to save in time for the next revision of Macbooks. The next Macbook Pros are supposed to have quad core processors which be blindingly quick. Simon Bainbridge On 7 Sep 2009, at 16:57, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi. > > I am looking at buying an iPhone and a MacBook, however I can't do > both at the same time - financial reasons as usual - so which one > would you lot go for first? > > I have a PowerBook G4 (it is a Titanium 867Mhz with 1GB of RAM, so > still pretty nippy) which I have had for about six months and it copes > with everything I do, just about. I don't do anything to heavy on it. > No video compression, very little music conversion. I use it for web, > emailing, writing and updating my iPod. > > I have a Nokia E65 smartphone, which is a great phone and great device > when I am not at home. It has 3G, wifi, average web browser and email > client, plus the usual standard phone stuff, but a standard phone > keyboard. > > Both my PowerBook and my phone do what I want them to just about. My > PowerBook is getting a little old and will soon need replacing, my > phone too. > > A MacBook - even an old one - is going to be ?300 ish. An iPhone 2G > (i > don't live in a 3G area nor have an unlimited data package on my > contract) is going to be around ?100-?150. If I got an iPhone it wou > ld > be jailbroken. > > I am wondering whether an iPhone would kind of replace my laptop for > the majority of my online time. It would be a great browsing and > emailing device as well as a replacement for my aging iPod Photo and > Nokia. I already use my Nokia a lot for emailing and browsing when at > home as it has wifi and it is in my pocket and handy. > > An iPhone has a much better browser and mail client than my current > phone and besides burning discs, design and picture editing apps, does > everything my PowerBook does - just in a smaller handier package. > > I'm torn. Which one first. I should point out my PowerBook has an > Airport Extreme card and a USB 2.0 card - two of the main limitation > why people upgraded to an Aluminum or MacBook already. > > Simon Royal > > --- > Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on > 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, > SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From batchsteve at googlemail.com Mon Sep 7 18:55:43 2009 From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 18:55:43 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iPhone Or MacBook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <723934B3-2AA5-415E-81E0-DCB418FF2953@gmail.com> Based on what you use the systems for I'd say go for an iPhone and keep the Powerbook for the tasks that the iPhone can't do. However, you could hang on and see if the Apple tablet device is better suited for you as it covers the middle ground between an iPhone and a MacBook (one device to rule them all). Steve. On 7 Sep 2009, at 16:57, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi. > > I am looking at buying an iPhone and a MacBook, however I can't do > both at the same time - financial reasons as usual - so which one > would you lot go for first? From batchsteve at googlemail.com Mon Sep 7 19:47:30 2009 From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 19:47:30 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Time Machine Qs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <064D2F41-AB13-4502-9C86-2F4F6163109F@gmail.com> Hi Neil, In my humble opinion you don't need a strategy or worry yourself about cache files, just plug the drive in, start TimeMachine and forget about it. 1TB is the size you want for your backup drive, if you start partitioning this down then you give yourself unnecessary concern with what files are going to be replaced with newer backups. Also, I don't think snapshot/clone backups are necessary for most people, firstly you burden yourself with trying to remember to backup your entire system on a weekly basis, which I guarantee you will forget to do so. Secondly in the possible but unlikely event that you suffer a complete hard drive failure and need to restore the whole system you can do this easily using your TimeMachine drive - Pop in a new hard drive to replace the failed one, insert the OS X install DVD and select "restore from TimeMachine backup", I think it's a misconception that TimeMachine is only used to copy back individual files and folders. Steve. On 7 Sep 2009, at 13:50, Neil S. wrote: > I want to make use of Time Machine so have ordered a Seagate FreeAgent > Desk 1TB For Mac, for delivery tomorrow. I intend to attach this by > FW400. I have a few options which I hope the group can advise on: From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk Mon Sep 7 19:55:12 2009 From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 19:55:12 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Time Machine Qs In-Reply-To: <064D2F41-AB13-4502-9C86-2F4F6163109F@gmail.com> References: <064D2F41-AB13-4502-9C86-2F4F6163109F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8FAC1FD4-9A15-48AA-BF5C-CD1A2620BE69@freeflightsupplies.co.uk> I just plugged in and played so to speak. I let Time Machine back up the whole of the system on a daily basis. Its been doing this for the last eighteen months with no bother. On a couple occasions I've gotten a message that there was a problem with a file. However the next back up covered this. Only twice have I resorted to recovering a file. Each of these exercises was a result of incompetence on my part, when I deleted a file or made changes that I wanted to reverse. The recovery was very to do simple. I have an Iomega hard drive. Michael Woodhouse mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ On 7 Sep 2009, at 19:47, Steve Batch wrote: > Hi Neil, > > In my humble opinion you don't need a strategy or worry yourself about > cache files, just plug the drive in, start TimeMachine and forget > about it. > > 1TB is the size you want for your backup drive, if you start > partitioning this down then you give yourself unnecessary concern with > what files are going to be replaced with newer backups. > > Also, I don't think snapshot/clone backups are necessary for most > people, firstly you burden yourself with trying to remember to backup > your entire system on a weekly basis, which I guarantee you will > forget to do so. Secondly in the possible but unlikely event that you > suffer a complete hard drive failure and need to restore the whole > system you can do this easily using your TimeMachine drive - Pop in a > new hard drive to replace the failed one, insert the OS X install DVD > and select "restore from TimeMachine backup", I think it's a > misconception that TimeMachine is only used to copy back individual > files and folders. > > Steve. > > > On 7 Sep 2009, at 13:50, Neil S. wrote: > >> I want to make use of Time Machine so have ordered a Seagate >> FreeAgent >> Desk 1TB For Mac, for delivery tomorrow. I intend to attach this by >> FW400. I have a few options which I hope the group can advise on: > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From yahooist at anyisle.com Mon Sep 7 21:39:19 2009 From: yahooist at anyisle.com (Neil S.) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 21:39:19 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Time Machine Qs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Guys, Thank You Robbie, Brian, Steve and Micheal. Your responses have been most interesting and helpful. I believe I can now formulate a strategy that meets my current needs and stop me having to have a re-think in a few months time.. So: 1. I will install OS X 10.5.6 from my installation disk to the new external drive with a partition size of 128GB. 2. I will then upgrade this boot image to the latest version - 10.5.8 without any of my apps - and leave it alone until an alternate boot OS is needed. 3. I will then create two further partitions, one for Time Machine (512GB) and another of 384GB for future use. My current HD is 250GB so there should be plenty of room for TM to expand. 4. Above that I may well do occasional DVD back-ups of my own data. I reckon this is an ACE strategy, better than I have ever had before. Regards... Neil On 7 Sep 2009, at 13:50, Neil S. wrote: > I want to make use of Time Machine so have ordered a Seagate FreeAgent > Desk 1TB For Mac, for delivery tomorrow. I intend to attach this by > FW400. I have a few options which I hope the group can advise on: -- Neil Stevens Sent from my ? iMac G5 From yahooist at anyisle.com Mon Sep 7 22:12:35 2009 From: yahooist at anyisle.com (Neil S.) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 22:12:35 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iPhone Or MacBook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <626B4352-26B4-4385-8884-C70C33F26C2E@anyisle.com> Hi Simon, I am an iPod then iMac then iPhone user and have come to love all things OS X and mobile. You can't beat the IPhone. So, in your position you must have one. An O2 one from where you can comment on the claims of the UNLOCKED. -- Sent from my ? iPhone On 7 Sep 2009, at 16:57, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi. > > I am looking at buying an iPhone and a MacBook, however I can't do > both at the same time - financial reasons as usual - so which one > would you lot go for first? From h.tamplin at btinternet.com Mon Sep 7 23:17:27 2009 From: h.tamplin at btinternet.com (Heather Tamplin) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 23:17:27 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] how to watch TV on a mac Message-ID: a question - to NUMGgers my daughter is off to UNI in London and wants to watch tv on her tft monitor rather than get a TV as well in her tiny room. She has seen usb tv sticks - is it as easy as buying a mac compatible tv stick? the computer is a G5 powermac dual processor and has an airport extreme card installed. thanks Heather From macman at f2s.com Mon Sep 7 23:27:41 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 23:27:41 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] how to watch TV on a mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <27E2F1CF-9711-4A59-B402-4580502CE637@f2s.com> google 'tv tuner Mac' Heather ...... Elgato is probably the best known. Robbie On 7 Sep 2009, at 23:17, Heather Tamplin wrote: a question - to NUMGgers my daughter is off to UNI in London and wants to watch tv on her tft monitor rather than get a TV as well in her tiny room. She has seen usb tv sticks - is it as easy as buying a mac compatible tv stick? the computer is a G5 powermac dual processor and has an airport extreme card installed. thanks Heather _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Tue Sep 8 01:07:51 2009 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 01:07:51 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] how to watch TV on a mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <174D06F4-C383-435A-A159-35E5EE0B9430@virgin.net> Hello Heather, Most of them work OK, but depending on the reception area, the aerial supplied with them is often inadequate: she may need a better one. Ken Arnoldi On 7 Sep 2009, at 11:17 PM, Heather Tamplin wrote: > a question - to NUMGgers > > my daughter is off to UNI in London and wants to watch tv on her tft > monitor rather than get a TV as well in her tiny room. She has seen > usb > tv sticks - is it as easy as buying a mac compatible tv stick? > the computer is a G5 powermac dual processor and has an airport > extreme > card installed. > > thanks > Heather > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Tue Sep 8 08:33:09 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 08:33:09 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Free FreeHand Message-ID: Hi Adobe is planning to abandon FreeHand, possibly one of the best vector drawing programs ever. It works under 10.5 and 10.6 but it has a few bugs that Adobe aren't apparently going to sort out. Those still using it have started up a Free FreeHand group to try and get them to release the source code and open it up to the open source community. Adobe answer is to get users to move to Illustrator, which is another great program. Join the fight. http://www.freefreehand.org/ Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From paul at durrant.co.uk Tue Sep 8 08:54:07 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 08:54:07 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] how to watch TV on a mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <89C95C4E-19B5-46C8-8715-AFDDC42A9B9C@durrant.co.uk> I'd recommend ElGato's EyeTV 3 software. Since it's as cheap to buy the software with some of ElGato's hardware as on its own, I'd recommend getting a TV tuner & software from Elgato, perhaps this one: http://www.elgato.com/elgato/int/mainmenu/products/tuner/DTTdeluxe/product1.en.html Don't forget that she'll need a TV licence for her Uni address. See http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/information/students.jsp I use the EyeTV software, and I'm pleased with it. regards, Paul On 7 Sep 2009, at 23:17, Heather Tamplin wrote: > a question - to NUMGgers > > my daughter is off to UNI in London and wants to watch tv on her tft > monitor rather than get a TV as well in her tiny room. She has seen > usb > tv sticks - is it as easy as buying a mac compatible tv stick? > the computer is a G5 powermac dual processor and has an airport > extreme > card installed. > > thanks > Heather > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From munkt0n at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 09:09:52 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 09:09:52 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Free FreeHand In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi > > Adobe is planning to abandon FreeHand, possibly one of the best vector > drawing programs ever. so good they're abandoning it? From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Tue Sep 8 09:26:11 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 09:26:11 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Free FreeHand In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60A24553-3123-40FC-91BD-20546D2E00BB@simonroyal.co.uk> Scott Who knows why the choose to abandon things. Probably because Adobe wants to focus on Creative Suite. Pagemaker was an excellent piece of software but they canned that in favour of InDesign. Simon On 8 Sep 2009, at 09:09, Scott Matthews wrote: > On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Simon Royal > wrote: >> Hi >> >> Adobe is planning to abandon FreeHand, possibly one of the best >> vector >> drawing programs ever. > > so good they're abandoning it? > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From batchsteve at googlemail.com Tue Sep 8 10:47:35 2009 From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 10:47:35 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Free FreeHand In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FCA8487-F608-4678-990D-FE30F55DDF11@gmail.com> Good luck with trying to obtain the source, however, Adobe would probably see this as a competitor to Illustrator and therefore will not want to cooperate. Steve. On 8 Sep 2009, at 08:33, Simon Royal wrote: > Adobe answer is to get users to move to Illustrator, which > is another great program. From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com Tue Sep 8 12:21:29 2009 From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (Stefan Pietrzak Youngs) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 12:21:29 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] TV on Mac.. VERBOTEN In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2929173F-0312-4C7B-87A5-7006FB94C084@gmail.com> > From: Heather Tamplin > Subject: [NMUG] how to watch TV on a mac > > > my daughter is off to UNI in London and wants to watch tv on her tft > monitor rather than get a TV as well in her tiny room. She has seen > usb > tv sticks - is it as easy as buying a mac compatible tv stick? > the computer is a G5 powermac dual processor and has an airport > extreme > card installed. > > thanks > Heather Your daughter has no time for TV at Uni. She needs to spend all her time studying so she can earn enough to pay enough taxes to keep we old codgers in our pension! Some one has to do it! BBC iPlayer and its equivalents from other broadcasters allow TV programmes to be watched without requiring a license, and no extra hardware is needed as the signal comes in over the internet. BBC also offers live feeds which do require a license. From macman at f2s.com Tue Sep 8 12:33:55 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 12:33:55 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] TV on Mac.. VERBOTEN In-Reply-To: <2929173F-0312-4C7B-87A5-7006FB94C084@gmail.com> References: <2929173F-0312-4C7B-87A5-7006FB94C084@gmail.com> Message-ID: <91BFFF5F-3FD6-460C-B51A-9A4F7D96BC30@f2s.com> ... but of course you must always be mindful of download caps - streaming can get a bit expensive - or do universities now offer free unlimited ADSL? Robbie On 8 Sep 2009, at 12:21, Stefan Pietrzak Youngs wrote: > From: Heather Tamplin > Subject: [NMUG] how to watch TV on a mac > > > my daughter is off to UNI in London and wants to watch tv on her tft > monitor rather than get a TV as well in her tiny room. She has seen > usb > tv sticks - is it as easy as buying a mac compatible tv stick? > the computer is a G5 powermac dual processor and has an airport > extreme > card installed. > > thanks > Heather Your daughter has no time for TV at Uni. She needs to spend all her time studying so she can earn enough to pay enough taxes to keep we old codgers in our pension! Some one has to do it! BBC iPlayer and its equivalents from other broadcasters allow TV programmes to be watched without requiring a license, and no extra hardware is needed as the signal comes in over the internet. BBC also offers live feeds which do require a license. _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From band1 at mac.com Tue Sep 8 14:03:20 2009 From: band1 at mac.com (David King) Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:03:20 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] start up Message-ID: <593CF1AD-1CEF-4AC8-B699-66E08DAADFA1@mac.com> A little while ago I wrote about a G4 Quicksilver not starting up and thought it might be the battery which was also indicated as a possible reason for not starting in the G4 manual. This morning I replaced the battery in my friends machine and still it will not start. What else could be awry in the starting process and is it worth trying to get an 8 year old machine repaired? Would it be better to put the money towards a newer computer? Has any one any newer computers for sale that we could considered for her? David From paul at durrant.co.uk Tue Sep 8 14:11:12 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 14:11:12 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] start up In-Reply-To: <593CF1AD-1CEF-4AC8-B699-66E08DAADFA1@mac.com> References: <593CF1AD-1CEF-4AC8-B699-66E08DAADFA1@mac.com> Message-ID: <6A17C2D0-0F52-4C95-91E1-0B70FC976E37@durrant.co.uk> As Simon said, the G4 Quicksilver does have a reset button on the motherboard - this is worth trying. Paul On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:03, David King wrote: > A little while ago I wrote about a G4 Quicksilver not starting up and > thought it might be the battery which was also indicated as a possible > reason for not starting in the G4 manual. > > This morning I replaced the battery in my friends machine and still it > will not start. What else could be awry in the starting process and > is it worth trying to get an 8 year old machine repaired? Would it be > better to put the money towards a newer computer? > > Has any one any newer computers for sale that we could considered for > her? From band1 at mac.com Tue Sep 8 14:14:08 2009 From: band1 at mac.com (David King) Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:14:08 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] start up In-Reply-To: <6A17C2D0-0F52-4C95-91E1-0B70FC976E37@durrant.co.uk> References: <593CF1AD-1CEF-4AC8-B699-66E08DAADFA1@mac.com> <6A17C2D0-0F52-4C95-91E1-0B70FC976E37@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <58B01022-8C20-4823-98DD-367D96F2B309@mac.com> Yes. I tried that as well and still no good. David On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:11, Paul Durrant wrote: > As Simon said, the G4 Quicksilver does have a reset button on the > motherboard - this is worth trying. > > Paul > > On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:03, David King wrote: > >> A little while ago I wrote about a G4 Quicksilver not starting up and >> thought it might be the battery which was also indicated as a >> possible >> reason for not starting in the G4 manual. >> >> This morning I replaced the battery in my friends machine and still >> it >> will not start. What else could be awry in the starting process and >> is it worth trying to get an 8 year old machine repaired? Would it >> be >> better to put the money towards a newer computer? >> >> Has any one any newer computers for sale that we could considered for >> her? > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Tue Sep 8 14:17:25 2009 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 14:17:25 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] start up In-Reply-To: <58B01022-8C20-4823-98DD-367D96F2B309@mac.com> References: <593CF1AD-1CEF-4AC8-B699-66E08DAADFA1@mac.com> <6A17C2D0-0F52-4C95-91E1-0B70FC976E37@durrant.co.uk> <58B01022-8C20-4823-98DD-367D96F2B309@mac.com> Message-ID: Have you tried starting up from the install disk by holding down the C key? Ken Arnoldi On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:14, David King wrote: > Yes. I tried that as well and still no good. > > David From band1 at mac.com Tue Sep 8 14:19:29 2009 From: band1 at mac.com (David King) Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:19:29 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] start up In-Reply-To: References: <593CF1AD-1CEF-4AC8-B699-66E08DAADFA1@mac.com> <6A17C2D0-0F52-4C95-91E1-0B70FC976E37@durrant.co.uk> <58B01022-8C20-4823-98DD-367D96F2B309@mac.com> Message-ID: <61325B20-5F2E-4A39-A618-F0BD00F07BED@mac.com> Problem would be getting the install disc into the computer as nothing works when you hit the start up button. David On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:17, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > Have you tried starting up from the install disk by holding down the C > key? > > Ken Arnoldi > > > On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:14, David King wrote: > >> Yes. I tried that as well and still no good. >> >> David > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Tue Sep 8 14:20:47 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 14:20:47 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] start up In-Reply-To: <61325B20-5F2E-4A39-A618-F0BD00F07BED@mac.com> References: <593CF1AD-1CEF-4AC8-B699-66E08DAADFA1@mac.com> <6A17C2D0-0F52-4C95-91E1-0B70FC976E37@durrant.co.uk> <58B01022-8C20-4823-98DD-367D96F2B309@mac.com> <61325B20-5F2E-4A39-A618-F0BD00F07BED@mac.com> Message-ID: David Dumb question, have you tried a different power cable? Simon On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:19, David King wrote: > Problem would be getting the install disc into the computer as nothing > works when you hit the start up button. > > David > > > On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:17, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > >> Have you tried starting up from the install disk by holding down >> the C >> key? >> >> Ken Arnoldi >> >> >> On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:14, David King wrote: >> >>> Yes. I tried that as well and still no good. >>> >>> David >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Tue Sep 8 14:29:05 2009 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 14:29:05 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] start up In-Reply-To: <61325B20-5F2E-4A39-A618-F0BD00F07BED@mac.com> References: <593CF1AD-1CEF-4AC8-B699-66E08DAADFA1@mac.com> <6A17C2D0-0F52-4C95-91E1-0B70FC976E37@durrant.co.uk> <58B01022-8C20-4823-98DD-367D96F2B309@mac.com> <61325B20-5F2E-4A39-A618-F0BD00F07BED@mac.com> Message-ID: <7368B22C-C484-4D41-BE20-8379A52850BD@virgin.net> Can you open the case and see if there is any sign of 'life' ie neons, leds etc glowing? or as Simon suggested, test the power cord. Ken On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:19, David King wrote: > Problem would be getting the install disc into the computer as nothing > works when you hit the start up button. From paul at durrant.co.uk Tue Sep 8 14:29:57 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 14:29:57 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] start up In-Reply-To: <593CF1AD-1CEF-4AC8-B699-66E08DAADFA1@mac.com> References: <593CF1AD-1CEF-4AC8-B699-66E08DAADFA1@mac.com> Message-ID: It sounds like it might be the power supply. I'd suggest that spending any more on this old computer might not be worth it. While you might be able to find a power supply on eBay for a small sum, but it might be cheaper to buy a whole new Quicksilver G4! (For example, an 800MHz/1.5GB/80GB/Wifi/DVD-RW model sold for just ?82 on the 2nd September - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQitemZ150368634196 Time to get a new computer, I think. Paul On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:03, David King wrote: > A little while ago I wrote about a G4 Quicksilver not starting up and > thought it might be the battery which was also indicated as a possible > reason for not starting in the G4 manual. > > This morning I replaced the battery in my friends machine and still it > will not start. What else could be awry in the starting process and > is it worth trying to get an 8 year old machine repaired? Would it be > better to put the money towards a newer computer? > > Has any one any newer computers for sale that we could considered for > her? From band1 at mac.com Tue Sep 8 14:32:00 2009 From: band1 at mac.com (David King) Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:32:00 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] start up In-Reply-To: References: <593CF1AD-1CEF-4AC8-B699-66E08DAADFA1@mac.com> Message-ID: Yes thanks Paul. That is exactly what I said this morning so I will pass on the news. So my follow up question of anyone with any computers for sale is now live! David On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:29, Paul Durrant wrote: > It sounds like it might be the power supply. > > I'd suggest that spending any more on this old computer might not be > worth it. While you might be able to find a power supply on eBay for a > small sum, but it might be cheaper to buy a whole new Quicksilver G4! > (For example, an 800MHz/1.5GB/80GB/Wifi/DVD-RW model sold for just ?82 > on the 2nd September - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQitemZ150368634196 > > Time to get a new computer, I think. > > Paul > > On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:03, David King wrote: > >> A little while ago I wrote about a G4 Quicksilver not starting up and >> thought it might be the battery which was also indicated as a >> possible >> reason for not starting in the G4 manual. >> >> This morning I replaced the battery in my friends machine and still >> it >> will not start. What else could be awry in the starting process and >> is it worth trying to get an 8 year old machine repaired? Would it >> be >> better to put the money towards a newer computer? >> >> Has any one any newer computers for sale that we could considered for >> her? > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From band1 at mac.com Tue Sep 8 14:32:47 2009 From: band1 at mac.com (David King) Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:32:47 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] start up In-Reply-To: References: <593CF1AD-1CEF-4AC8-B699-66E08DAADFA1@mac.com> <6A17C2D0-0F52-4C95-91E1-0B70FC976E37@durrant.co.uk> <58B01022-8C20-4823-98DD-367D96F2B309@mac.com> <61325B20-5F2E-4A39-A618-F0BD00F07BED@mac.com> Message-ID: There is power as the switch on light comes on. David On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:20, Simon Royal wrote: > David > > Dumb question, have you tried a different power cable? > > Simon > > On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:19, David King wrote: > >> Problem would be getting the install disc into the computer as >> nothing >> works when you hit the start up button. >> >> David >> >> >> On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:17, Ken Arnoldi wrote: >> >>> Have you tried starting up from the install disk by holding down >>> the C >>> key? >>> >>> Ken Arnoldi >>> >>> >>> On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:14, David King wrote: >>> >>>> Yes. I tried that as well and still no good. >>>> >>>> David >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > Simon Royal > --- > Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on > 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, > SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Tue Sep 8 14:35:09 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 14:35:09 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] start up In-Reply-To: References: <593CF1AD-1CEF-4AC8-B699-66E08DAADFA1@mac.com> Message-ID: <40DC7557-68B3-4347-A839-5D6B00222AE9@simonroyal.co.uk> Paul Interesting. I was talking in another group about a similar topic. The release of Snow Leopard is going to see a lot of people go 'ooh I need a new Mac' meaning there will be an influx of PowerPC Macs on eBay over the coming months and thus dropping their prices. About 18 months ago my sister-in-law bought a 733Mhz Quicksilver with no wifi and it cost her ?170, which was cheap at the time. The recent auction you mentioned is an absolute steal at ?82. Simon On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:29, Paul Durrant wrote: > I'd suggest that spending any more on this old computer might not be > worth it. While you might be able to find a power supply on eBay for a > small sum, but it might be cheaper to buy a whole new Quicksilver G4! > (For example, an 800MHz/1.5GB/80GB/Wifi/DVD-RW model sold for just ?82 > on the 2nd September - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQitemZ150368634196 > > Time to get a new computer, I think. Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Tue Sep 8 14:40:09 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 14:40:09 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] start up In-Reply-To: References: <593CF1AD-1CEF-4AC8-B699-66E08DAADFA1@mac.com> <6A17C2D0-0F52-4C95-91E1-0B70FC976E37@durrant.co.uk> <58B01022-8C20-4823-98DD-367D96F2B309@mac.com> <61325B20-5F2E-4A39-A618-F0BD00F07BED@mac.com> Message-ID: <8C8391DA-6735-4EA4-8739-FED85EEBE0B6@simonroyal.co.uk> David Are you saying the light on the front goes green or one of the lights on the board goes green? Are you sure that the drives are connected correctly and all the ports on the board are connected correctly. A dud power cable will not produce lights on a board. I had a G4 Cube not so long ago that would power up the lights on the board and sometimes even the power light on the front, ended up being a dodgy logic board. Simon On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:32, David King wrote: > There is power as the switch on light comes on. > > David > > On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:20, Simon Royal wrote: > >> David >> >> Dumb question, have you tried a different power cable? >> >> Simon >> >> On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:19, David King wrote: >> >>> Problem would be getting the install disc into the computer as >>> nothing >>> works when you hit the start up button. >>> >>> David >>> >>> >>> On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:17, Ken Arnoldi wrote: >>> >>>> Have you tried starting up from the install disk by holding down >>>> the C >>>> key? >>>> >>>> Ken Arnoldi >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:14, David King wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes. I tried that as well and still no good. >>>>> >>>>> David >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >> >> Simon Royal >> --- >> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on >> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, >> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From paul at durrant.co.uk Tue Sep 8 15:13:05 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 15:13:05 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Second-hand prices In-Reply-To: <40DC7557-68B3-4347-A839-5D6B00222AE9@simonroyal.co.uk> References: <593CF1AD-1CEF-4AC8-B699-66E08DAADFA1@mac.com> <40DC7557-68B3-4347-A839-5D6B00222AE9@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: It was among the most expensive Quicksilver models that have been sold in that past month. Some were a lot cheaper, e.g. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQitemZ130327988610 ? ?10.50 The old G4s have very little resale value anymore. Paul On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:35, Simon Royal wrote: > > About 18 months ago my sister-in-law bought a 733Mhz Quicksilver with > no wifi and it cost her ?170, which was cheap at the time. The recent > auction you mentioned is an absolute steal at ?82. > > On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:29, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> (For example, an 800MHz/1.5GB/80GB/Wifi/DVD-RW model sold for just >> ?82 >> on the 2nd September - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQitemZ150368634196 From valeriehardman at btinternet.com Tue Sep 8 15:34:02 2009 From: valeriehardman at btinternet.com (VALERIE HARDMAN) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 14:34:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [NMUG] photos on ipod Message-ID: <927227.99455.qm@web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com> I have been looking through the NMUG posts and saw the one from Min Kerrison about transferring selected photos into ipod so that they can be quickly accessed instead of having to trawl through the library. I have the same problem and it's very frustrating when you want to show someone selected photos but have to trawl through masses to find them. I realise this is a repeat question but would really be grateful for some advice. Valerie From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Tue Sep 8 16:20:42 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 16:20:42 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Second-hand prices In-Reply-To: References: <593CF1AD-1CEF-4AC8-B699-66E08DAADFA1@mac.com> <40DC7557-68B3-4347-A839-5D6B00222AE9@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: <0C42AF08-22CC-4C32-84D6-AFC976E5C87F@simonroyal.co.uk> Paul They may have very little resale value, but a high end G4 can easily cope with the average computer users needs and run Leopard comfortably. A Mac for a tenner is pretty good. Simon On 8 Sep 2009, at 15:13, Paul Durrant wrote: > It was among the most expensive Quicksilver models that have been sold > in that past month. Some were a lot cheaper, e.g. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQitemZ130327988610 > ? ?10.50 > > The old G4s have very little resale value anymore. > > Paul > > > On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:35, Simon Royal wrote: >> >> About 18 months ago my sister-in-law bought a 733Mhz Quicksilver with >> no wifi and it cost her ?170, which was cheap at the time. The recent >> auction you mentioned is an absolute steal at ?82. >> >> On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:29, Paul Durrant wrote: >> >>> (For example, an 800MHz/1.5GB/80GB/Wifi/DVD-RW model sold for just >>> ?82 >>> on the 2nd September - http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQitemZ150368634196 > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From band1 at mac.com Tue Sep 8 16:31:56 2009 From: band1 at mac.com (David King) Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 16:31:56 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] start up In-Reply-To: <8C8391DA-6735-4EA4-8739-FED85EEBE0B6@simonroyal.co.uk> References: <593CF1AD-1CEF-4AC8-B699-66E08DAADFA1@mac.com> <6A17C2D0-0F52-4C95-91E1-0B70FC976E37@durrant.co.uk> <58B01022-8C20-4823-98DD-367D96F2B309@mac.com> <61325B20-5F2E-4A39-A618-F0BD00F07BED@mac.com> <8C8391DA-6735-4EA4-8739-FED85EEBE0B6@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: Normally when you press the front button to start the computer the white light comes on and it starts up. Now when you press the light comes on but nothing happens and the light goes out when you let go. I assume from this there is power getting to that point. As to inside the machine, I have no idea, and as its housed 2 miles away I can't have a quick look! My technical knowledge of the inside reaches to changing the battery and pressing the PMU hence the questions. Really what I wanted to know was if it was worth pursuing repair or telling my elderly friend that it is time to get another computer. I think Paul probably answered that and I suspect that is the route we will have to go down. David On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:40, Simon Royal wrote: > David > > Are you saying the light on the front goes green or one of the lights > on the board goes green? > > Are you sure that the drives are connected correctly and all the ports > on the board are connected correctly. A dud power cable will not > produce lights on a board. > > I had a G4 Cube not so long ago that would power up the lights on the > board and sometimes even the power light on the front, ended up being > a dodgy logic board. > > Simon > > On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:32, David King wrote: > >> There is power as the switch on light comes on. >> >> David >> >> On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:20, Simon Royal wrote: >> >>> David >>> >>> Dumb question, have you tried a different power cable? >>> >>> Simon >>> >>> On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:19, David King wrote: >>> >>>> Problem would be getting the install disc into the computer as >>>> nothing >>>> works when you hit the start up button. >>>> >>>> David >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:17, Ken Arnoldi wrote: >>>> >>>>> Have you tried starting up from the install disk by holding down >>>>> the C >>>>> key? >>>>> >>>>> Ken Arnoldi >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:14, David King wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes. I tried that as well and still no good. >>>>>> >>>>>> David >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>>> >>> >>> Simon Royal >>> --- >>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on >>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, >>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > Simon Royal > --- > Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on > 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, > SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Tue Sep 8 16:39:23 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 16:39:23 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] start up In-Reply-To: References: <593CF1AD-1CEF-4AC8-B699-66E08DAADFA1@mac.com> <6A17C2D0-0F52-4C95-91E1-0B70FC976E37@durrant.co.uk> <58B01022-8C20-4823-98DD-367D96F2B309@mac.com> <61325B20-5F2E-4A39-A618-F0BD00F07BED@mac.com> <8C8391DA-6735-4EA4-8739-FED85EEBE0B6@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: <13A722E1-E7C5-47DF-BD36-7EE2EBB9179B@simonroyal.co.uk> David To me it sounds like a power or logic board issue. Like I said my G4 Cube did the same. The front light would glow for a few seconds and then go off, it turned out to be a logic board problem, caused by some sort of power fault. I would take Pauls advice, buy a new machine or even a machine without drives and RAM and cobble a top notch machine out of the two. If the Quicksilver was working fine and has an OSX installation and files etc... I would suggest taking the hard drive out and putting it in the new Quicksilver or at least hooking it up to the new one and cloning it across (if the new machine come with a bigger hard drive). It would save a lot of time. Simon On 8 Sep 2009, at 16:31, David King wrote: > Normally when you press the front button to start the computer the > white light comes on and it starts up. Now when you press the light > comes on but nothing happens and the light goes out when you let go. > I assume from this there is power getting to that point. > > As to inside the machine, I have no idea, and as its housed 2 miles > away I can't have a quick look! My technical knowledge of the inside > reaches to changing the battery and pressing the PMU hence the > questions. Really what I wanted to know was if it was worth pursuing > repair or telling my elderly friend that it is time to get another > computer. I think Paul probably answered that and I suspect that is > the route we will have to go down. > > David > > > On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:40, Simon Royal wrote: > >> David >> >> Are you saying the light on the front goes green or one of the lights >> on the board goes green? >> >> Are you sure that the drives are connected correctly and all the >> ports >> on the board are connected correctly. A dud power cable will not >> produce lights on a board. >> >> I had a G4 Cube not so long ago that would power up the lights on the >> board and sometimes even the power light on the front, ended up being >> a dodgy logic board. >> >> Simon >> >> On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:32, David King wrote: >> >>> There is power as the switch on light comes on. >>> >>> David >>> >>> On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:20, Simon Royal wrote: >>> >>>> David >>>> >>>> Dumb question, have you tried a different power cable? >>>> >>>> Simon >>>> >>>> On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:19, David King wrote: >>>> >>>>> Problem would be getting the install disc into the computer as >>>>> nothing >>>>> works when you hit the start up button. >>>>> >>>>> David >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:17, Ken Arnoldi wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Have you tried starting up from the install disk by holding down >>>>>> the C >>>>>> key? >>>>>> >>>>>> Ken Arnoldi >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:14, David King wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes. I tried that as well and still no good. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> David >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>>>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>>>> >>>> >>>> Simon Royal >>>> --- >>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on >>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, >>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >> >> Simon Royal >> --- >> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on >> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, >> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From band1 at mac.com Tue Sep 8 16:45:25 2009 From: band1 at mac.com (David King) Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 16:45:25 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] start up In-Reply-To: <13A722E1-E7C5-47DF-BD36-7EE2EBB9179B@simonroyal.co.uk> References: <593CF1AD-1CEF-4AC8-B699-66E08DAADFA1@mac.com> <6A17C2D0-0F52-4C95-91E1-0B70FC976E37@durrant.co.uk> <58B01022-8C20-4823-98DD-367D96F2B309@mac.com> <61325B20-5F2E-4A39-A618-F0BD00F07BED@mac.com> <8C8391DA-6735-4EA4-8739-FED85EEBE0B6@simonroyal.co.uk> <13A722E1-E7C5-47DF-BD36-7EE2EBB9179B@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: Thanks Simon. I am not into cobbling as I wouldn't know where to start so I think a different machine is the answer. If she gets another G4 (and I have an offer of one already) I will need to get the hard drive out and get it into the new machine. I think I can do that. Problem of transferring data will arise if she decides to have a new computer so I will need advice as and when. David On 8 Sep 2009, at 16:39, Simon Royal wrote: > David > > To me it sounds like a power or logic board issue. > > Like I said my G4 Cube did the same. The front light would glow for a > few seconds and then go off, it turned out to be a logic board > problem, caused by some sort of power fault. > > I would take Pauls advice, buy a new machine or even a machine without > drives and RAM and cobble a top notch machine out of the two. If the > Quicksilver was working fine and has an OSX installation and files > etc... I would suggest taking the hard drive out and putting it in the > new Quicksilver or at least hooking it up to the new one and cloning > it across (if the new machine come with a bigger hard drive). It would > save a lot of time. > > Simon > > On 8 Sep 2009, at 16:31, David King wrote: > >> Normally when you press the front button to start the computer the >> white light comes on and it starts up. Now when you press the light >> comes on but nothing happens and the light goes out when you let go. >> I assume from this there is power getting to that point. >> >> As to inside the machine, I have no idea, and as its housed 2 miles >> away I can't have a quick look! My technical knowledge of the inside >> reaches to changing the battery and pressing the PMU hence the >> questions. Really what I wanted to know was if it was worth pursuing >> repair or telling my elderly friend that it is time to get another >> computer. I think Paul probably answered that and I suspect that is >> the route we will have to go down. >> >> David >> >> >> On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:40, Simon Royal wrote: >> >>> David >>> >>> Are you saying the light on the front goes green or one of the >>> lights >>> on the board goes green? >>> >>> Are you sure that the drives are connected correctly and all the >>> ports >>> on the board are connected correctly. A dud power cable will not >>> produce lights on a board. >>> >>> I had a G4 Cube not so long ago that would power up the lights on >>> the >>> board and sometimes even the power light on the front, ended up >>> being >>> a dodgy logic board. >>> >>> Simon >>> >>> On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:32, David King wrote: >>> >>>> There is power as the switch on light comes on. >>>> >>>> David >>>> >>>> On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:20, Simon Royal wrote: >>>> >>>>> David >>>>> >>>>> Dumb question, have you tried a different power cable? >>>>> >>>>> Simon >>>>> >>>>> On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:19, David King wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Problem would be getting the install disc into the computer as >>>>>> nothing >>>>>> works when you hit the start up button. >>>>>> >>>>>> David >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:17, Ken Arnoldi wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Have you tried starting up from the install disk by holding down >>>>>>> the C >>>>>>> key? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ken Arnoldi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 8 Sep 2009, at 14:14, David King wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes. I tried that as well and still no good. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> David >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>>>>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>>>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Simon Royal >>>>> --- >>>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on >>>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, >>>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>>> >>> >>> Simon Royal >>> --- >>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on >>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, >>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > Simon Royal > --- > Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on > 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, > SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From valeriehardman at btinternet.com Tue Sep 8 17:32:22 2009 From: valeriehardman at btinternet.com (VALERIE HARDMAN) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 16:32:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [NMUG] Mac laptop needed Message-ID: <439061.68637.qm@web86504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> I need to have a laptop which will be used only occasionally while travelling (so it needs to be wifi enabled) for looking at websites, sending emails, and adding photos to iphoto. We will sometimes watch DVDs on it so a 15.6 screen would be preferable. I have looked at a new or refurbished MacPro but it really is too expensive for the use it will get. Anybody got anything for sale that might do? thanks Valerie From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Tue Sep 8 18:23:24 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 18:23:24 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Given Up On Rules Message-ID: Hi. I have a lot of emails come in. I am a member of a lot of groups and mailing lists. After listening to you lot for a while I switched to mail and then set up rules so that different groups and what not went in to different boxes. Well I have just given up on it. It is too confusing. I have just dumped all the rules and folders and now everything flooding back into one box thick and fast. Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From david.tillyer at googlemail.com Tue Sep 8 18:26:16 2009 From: david.tillyer at googlemail.com (David Tillyer) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 18:26:16 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Given Up On Rules In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Simon, I'm still using the online version of Gmail. It makes being an NMUG member so much easier as it groups all replies to the same subject into one e-mail. I love Apple products but I have yet to love mail (Although I have not tried it on Snow Leopard). Dave 2009/9/8 Simon Royal > Hi. > > I have a lot of emails come in. I am a member of a lot of groups and > mailing lists. > > After listening to you lot for a while I switched to mail and then set > up rules so that different groups and what not went in to different > boxes. Well I have just given up on it. It is too confusing. I have > just dumped all the rules and folders and now everything flooding back > into one box thick and fast. > > Simon Royal > --- > Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on > 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, > SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- David Tillyer Photography http://www.davidthephotographer.co.uk http://davidthephotographer.blogspot.com/ From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Tue Sep 8 18:28:03 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 18:28:03 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] start up In-Reply-To: References: <593CF1AD-1CEF-4AC8-B699-66E08DAADFA1@mac.com> <6A17C2D0-0F52-4C95-91E1-0B70FC976E37@durrant.co.uk> <58B01022-8C20-4823-98DD-367D96F2B309@mac.com> <61325B20-5F2E-4A39-A618-F0BD00F07BED@mac.com> <8C8391DA-6735-4EA4-8739-FED85EEBE0B6@simonroyal.co.uk> <13A722E1-E7C5-47DF-BD36-7EE2EBB9179B@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: David Well, maybe cobbling is a bad word. If you get another Quicksilver, I had in mind taking out your existing hard drive - if it contained a working OSX - and putting it in the new machine. The other part of 'cobbling' would be picking the biggest sticks of RAM from both machine and putting as much in the new machine as you can. G4's love RAM especially when it comes to OSX. If you are close to me I can help with the data transfer or hard drive transfer or maybe another group member could help you make the best machine out of the two. It really isn't too complicated. Simon On 8 Sep 2009, at 16:45, David King wrote: > Thanks Simon. I am not into cobbling as I wouldn't know where to > start so I think a different machine is the answer. If she gets > another G4 (and I have an offer of one already) I will need to get > the hard drive out and get it into the new machine. I think I can do > that. Problem of transferring data will arise if she decides to have > a new computer so I will need advice as and when. > > David Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Tue Sep 8 18:29:07 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 18:29:07 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Given Up On Rules In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98E35BD7-1919-4B29-88B4-EE82DFFCBE11@simonroyal.co.uk> David Couldn't get on with the GMail way of clumping mail together. I prefer the old fashioned way of totally separate emails. Simon On 8 Sep 2009, at 18:26, David Tillyer wrote: > Simon, > I'm still using the online version of Gmail. It makes being an NMUG > member > so much easier as it groups all replies to the same subject into one > e-mail. > I love Apple products but I have yet to love mail (Although I have > not tried > it on Snow Leopard). > > Dave > > 2009/9/8 Simon Royal > >> Hi. >> >> I have a lot of emails come in. I am a member of a lot of groups and >> mailing lists. >> >> After listening to you lot for a while I switched to mail and then >> set >> up rules so that different groups and what not went in to different >> boxes. Well I have just given up on it. It is too confusing. I have >> just dumped all the rules and folders and now everything flooding >> back >> into one box thick and fast. >> >> Simon Royal >> --- >> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on >> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, >> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > > > -- > David Tillyer Photography > > http://www.davidthephotographer.co.uk > > http://davidthephotographer.blogspot.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From david.tillyer at googlemail.com Tue Sep 8 18:32:28 2009 From: david.tillyer at googlemail.com (David Tillyer) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 18:32:28 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Given Up On Rules In-Reply-To: <98E35BD7-1919-4B29-88B4-EE82DFFCBE11@simonroyal.co.uk> References: <98E35BD7-1919-4B29-88B4-EE82DFFCBE11@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: I'm quite anal about my inbox. I hate it being full so it works for me. I have 17000 e-mails according to Gmail but its actually closer to 30000 if you separate all the NMUG ones. 2009/9/8 Simon Royal > David > > Couldn't get on with the GMail way of clumping mail together. I prefer > the old fashioned way of totally separate emails. > > Simon > > -- :: :: :: :: http://www.twitter.com/davetillyer From paul at durrant.co.uk Tue Sep 8 19:03:47 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 19:03:47 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Given Up On Rules In-Reply-To: References: <98E35BD7-1919-4B29-88B4-EE82DFFCBE11@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: <7CEBC2C2-CAB4-4006-90F2-E6B824A2A4C0@durrant.co.uk> Counting both the Topica list (2000-2003) and this one (2003-), there have been around 28,000 messages posted to NMUG. regards, Paul NMUG listmaster On 8 Sep 2009, at 18:32, David Tillyer wrote: > I'm quite anal about my inbox. I hate it being full so it works for > me. I > have 17000 e-mails according to Gmail but its actually closer to > 30000 if > you separate all the NMUG ones. > From ricnev at mac.com Tue Sep 8 20:55:20 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 20:55:20 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] IPhone photo sync In-Reply-To: <1E3A5EDB-A84F-4529-9FAD-34EA3DB2DA6A@mac.com> References: <1E3A5EDB-A84F-4529-9FAD-34EA3DB2DA6A@mac.com> Message-ID: <14C0809E-004D-4538-B1C9-ABD34D20027B@mac.com> Val Hardiman's recent posting made me have another look at this - I don't know if this discussion will help: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2134718&tstart=0 Another solution might be to use an app like Ecamm's PhoneView which can transfer all sorts of different types of file, including photos, back and forth: http://www.ecamm.com/mac/phoneview/ On 31 Aug 2009, at 09:46, Min Kennison wrote: > Until recently I was able to pick selected events from Iphoto to have > on my iPhone if I wanted to take them with me to show to someone. I > now find that this is impossible and I can only sync photos from > ceratin time periods eg Lastr 12 months, all photos etc. This > happened after Apple replaced my iPhone when the casing developed a > crack which was through no fault of mine! When I activated it on my > MBP all was well until I wanted to sync just a few photos to show my > son. > > I have looked in the preferences but I cannot find anything which will > bring up the events in the sync pane and let me choose which ones I > want. > > > It is probably me being dosey but can any one please help. > > Min > Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From ghowells at f2s.com Wed Sep 9 15:20:28 2009 From: ghowells at f2s.com (G.Howells) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 15:20:28 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] LaCie USB external hard drive In-Reply-To: <9B7F359B-06C2-4B29-90E4-6CD737518163@mendelsohn.me.uk> References: <9B7F359B-06C2-4B29-90E4-6CD737518163@mendelsohn.me.uk> Message-ID: Hi. I had one stop working. The problem? The power pack had failed and needed replacing. Gordon. >Hi, > >Can anyone help or suggest what we should do? Our external hard drive >seems to have stopped working - we use it solely for Time Machine back- >ups and it has not worked since Monday. The hard drive icon does not >appear in the finder or the desktop and we have tried restarting, >disconnecting and reconnecting cables - pressing the reset button all >with no success. > >If the hard drive has "died" who can we go to get this checked out and >how does one retrieve the data off the hard disc? > >Thanks, > >Ed and Phyll >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From minkennison at mac.com Wed Sep 9 15:36:41 2009 From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison) Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 15:36:41 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] IPhone photo sync In-Reply-To: <14C0809E-004D-4538-B1C9-ABD34D20027B@mac.com> References: <1E3A5EDB-A84F-4529-9FAD-34EA3DB2DA6A@mac.com> <14C0809E-004D-4538-B1C9-ABD34D20027B@mac.com> Message-ID: <76977532-7BDC-4DE5-B6B4-182D04F808C7@mac.com> Richard I think I have solved the problem which both Val and myself were having. If one makes an album in IPhoto and then puts selected photos in the album then, when syncing the iPhoe with the computer it is posssible to select the album and thus, the photos that you wished to put on the iPhone Min On 8 Sep 2009, at 20:558 Sep 2009, Richard Nevill wrote: > Val Hardiman's recent posting made me have another look at this - I > don't know if this discussion will help: > > http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2134718&tstart=0 > > Another solution might be to use an app like Ecamm's PhoneView which > can transfer all sorts of different types of file, including photos, > back and forth: > > http://www.ecamm.com/mac/phoneview/ > > > On 31 Aug 2009, at 09:46, Min Kennison wrote: > >> Until recently I was able to pick selected events from Iphoto to have >> on my iPhone if I wanted to take them with me to show to someone. I >> now find that this is impossible and I can only sync photos from >> ceratin time periods eg Lastr 12 months, all photos etc. This >> happened after Apple replaced my iPhone when the casing developed a >> crack which was through no fault of mine! When I activated it on my >> MBP all was well until I wanted to sync just a few photos to show my >> son. >> >> I have looked in the preferences but I cannot find anything which >> will >> bring up the events in the sync pane and let me choose which ones I >> want. >> >> >> It is probably me being dosey but can any one please help. >> >> Min >> > > Richard Nevill > ricnev at mac.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ernienmug at f2s.com Wed Sep 9 15:48:20 2009 From: ernienmug at f2s.com (Ernie Ives) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 15:48:20 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] LaCie USB external hard drive In-Reply-To: References: <9B7F359B-06C2-4B29-90E4-6CD737518163@mendelsohn.me.uk> Message-ID: <24A73718-465C-4F4A-8E80-7ED03DF6398D@f2s.com> Ernie Ives Marquetarian and microscopist I had exactly the same thing happen. It was still in warranty and LaCie replaced the pwerpack Best wishes Ernie On 9 Sep 2009, at 15:20, G.Howells wrote: > Hi. > I had one stop working. The problem? The power pack had > failed and needed replacing. > > Gordon. > > >> Hi, >> >> Can anyone help or suggest what we should do? Our external hard drive >> seems to have stopped working - we use it solely for Time Machine >> back- >> ups and it has not worked since Monday. The hard drive icon does not >> appear in the finder or the desktop and we have tried restarting, >> disconnecting and reconnecting cables - pressing the reset button all >> with no success. >> >> If the hard drive has "died" who can we go to get this checked out >> and >> how does one retrieve the data off the hard disc? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ed and Phyll >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Wed Sep 9 16:08:02 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 16:08:02 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Booting With A Hard Drive Message-ID: Hi. I think I know the answer to this, but I want to make sure. I am awaiting the arrival of a 1Ghz TiBook. It has no RAM or hard drive and we are not 100% sure it works fully, but if it does it will be slightly faster than my 867Mhz and has double the video RAM. It is also in excellent cosmetic condition - something mine isn't. If I knew it worked I would simply swap the hard drive in the new one. As I don't would Target mode work? Could I boot the new TiBook off the hard drive in my current TiBook to test out the new TiBook? Would this mess up my current set up in anyway? Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From macman at f2s.com Wed Sep 9 16:13:31 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 16:13:31 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] LaCie USB external hard drive In-Reply-To: <24A73718-465C-4F4A-8E80-7ED03DF6398D@f2s.com> References: <9B7F359B-06C2-4B29-90E4-6CD737518163@mendelsohn.me.uk> <24A73718-465C-4F4A-8E80-7ED03DF6398D@f2s.com> Message-ID: <1B3BCB9F-45FF-4427-808C-E144243F17EC@f2s.com> I just had a power brick delivered today - had to buy, as was about 6 years old ... Ordered from Jigsaw 3.20pm yesterday : delivered 08:50 this morning. It's worth noting that they can still appear to be working - LED lights up & flickers, but won't mount. I really only diagnosed it properly by swapping power supplies with my other D2. As result of all the testing I've done, however, I've discovered the Firewire 800 port on my iMac is duff ... Ho hum Robbie On 9 Sep 2009, at 15:48, Ernie Ives wrote: Ernie Ives Marquetarian and microscopist I had exactly the same thing happen. It was still in warranty and LaCie replaced the pwerpack Best wishes Ernie On 9 Sep 2009, at 15:20, G.Howells wrote: > Hi. > I had one stop working. The problem? The power pack had > failed and needed replacing. > > Gordon. > > >> Hi, >> >> Can anyone help or suggest what we should do? Our external hard drive >> seems to have stopped working - we use it solely for Time Machine >> back- >> ups and it has not worked since Monday. The hard drive icon does not >> appear in the finder or the desktop and we have tried restarting, >> disconnecting and reconnecting cables - pressing the reset button all >> with no success. >> >> If the hard drive has "died" who can we go to get this checked out >> and >> how does one retrieve the data off the hard disc? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ed and Phyll >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Wed Sep 9 18:06:48 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 18:06:48 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Booting With A Hard Drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1656C515-02F3-417E-A919-284EE9BF8C11@durrant.co.uk> Yes, put your Powerbook into firewire mode, connect up to the new powerbook, and it should boot of your disk, and it shouldn't mess up your disk (but you do have a back-up, don't you?) The worst case scenario is that the new powerbook's motherboard is fried, and when you connect up, you fry your own PowerBook's firewire port or motherboard. So I'd boot the other machine first, and make sure you get to a flashing disk before connecting up- that at least shows it's not completely dead. Paul On 9 Sep 2009, at 16:08, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi. > > I think I know the answer to this, but I want to make sure. > > I am awaiting the arrival of a 1Ghz TiBook. It has no RAM or hard > drive and we are not 100% sure it works fully, but if it does it will > be slightly faster than my 867Mhz and has double the video RAM. It is > also in excellent cosmetic condition - something mine isn't. > > If I knew it worked I would simply swap the hard drive in the new one. > As I don't would Target mode work? Could I boot the new TiBook off the > hard drive in my current TiBook to test out the new TiBook? > > Would this mess up my current set up in anyway? From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk Wed Sep 9 18:20:16 2009 From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 18:20:16 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Problem with shutting down Message-ID: Hi all, We upgraded to 10.5.8 last week. A couple of days later had problems previously mentioned with our Lacie hard drive - bought a new hard drive and set up Time Machine (which incidentally took 2 days to back up 130 GB). Now, for the last couple of days the computer will not shut down. It shuts down all the applications, but then we are left with the desktop screen and the small revolving disc. This continues until eventually we use the power button to shut down. Any ideas please. We have run disc permissions. Also verified the hard drive which appears to be OK. Phyll and Ed From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Wed Sep 9 18:30:23 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 18:30:23 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Booting With A Hard Drive In-Reply-To: <1656C515-02F3-417E-A919-284EE9BF8C11@durrant.co.uk> References: <1656C515-02F3-417E-A919-284EE9BF8C11@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Paul Back Up? What that? Thought it was one of those things you thought of when everything goes wrong. Simon On 9 Sep 2009, at 18:06, Paul Durrant wrote: > (but you do have a back-up, don't you?) Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From macman at f2s.com Wed Sep 9 18:33:03 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 18:33:03 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] IPhone photo sync In-Reply-To: <76977532-7BDC-4DE5-B6B4-182D04F808C7@mac.com> References: <1E3A5EDB-A84F-4529-9FAD-34EA3DB2DA6A@mac.com> <14C0809E-004D-4538-B1C9-ABD34D20027B@mac.com> <76977532-7BDC-4DE5-B6B4-182D04F808C7@mac.com> Message-ID: <9F8CF490-2C66-42DC-A07A-77A7314F8918@f2s.com> You might be interested in what Steve's just said Min .... http://tinyurl.com/ksvvvq Robbie On 9 Sep 2009, at 15:36, Min Kennison wrote: Richard I think I have solved the problem which both Val and myself were having. If one makes an album in IPhoto and then puts selected photos in the album then, when syncing the iPhoe with the computer it is posssible to select the album and thus, the photos that you wished to put on the iPhone From munkt0n at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 18:46:36 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 18:46:36 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Problem with shutting down In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: it's probably something running in the background that's taking a while to respond to the shut down. it could be spotlight indexing - a dot inside the magnifying glass on the menu bar means spotlight is busy. it may be something to do with time machine. I'm not sure if this will work, but next time you're left with just the desktop hit option+command+esc to bring up the 'force quit' dialog and see if anything is listed as 'not responding' there may be a hint to the problem in the system logs, viewable using the 'console' application On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: > Hi all, > > We upgraded to 10.5.8 last week. A couple of days later had problems > previously mentioned with our Lacie hard drive - bought a new hard > drive and set up Time Machine (which incidentally took 2 days to back > up 130 GB). > > Now, for the last ?couple of days the computer will not shut down. It > shuts down all the applications, but then we are left with the desktop > screen and the small revolving disc. This continues until eventually > we use the power button to shut down. > > Any ideas please. We have run disc permissions. Also verified the hard > drive which appears to be OK. > > Phyll and Ed > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- :wq From penguin.999 at virgin.net Wed Sep 9 19:04:53 2009 From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 19:04:53 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] So who wants a new iPod Nano? Message-ID: <57C35C88-5049-445D-8CC8-11731559CD55@virgin.net> FM radio, pedometer, voice recorder, video recorder to rival a Flip and speaker! Paul C From wjhurst44 at hotmail.com Wed Sep 9 19:13:57 2009 From: wjhurst44 at hotmail.com (Jeff Hurst) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 13:13:57 -0500 Subject: [NMUG] HELP Message-ID: The other morning I tried to arouse my Mac Pro out of sleep and was unsu ccesful. I took the battery out and pressed on the power button to reset pram,etc. When I try and turn it back on, it makes the sound as it its attempting to power up, no chime, and it sounds like the fan or hard drive is running and the sleep light is pulsating. I have tried this several times, no go. I upgraded to Snow Leopard last week, that is all I can tell you. What do you think? Kind of bummed Jeff From paul at durrant.co.uk Wed Sep 9 19:21:01 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 19:21:01 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Mac won't start In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8441ABED-BFA9-425F-BABD-CC9253F724F5@durrant.co.uk> Can you confirm what Mac you have - you said Mac Pro, but then mentioned taking out the battery? Lots of troubleshooting steps to go before it's a repair job. Paul On 9 Sep 2009, at 19:13, Jeff Hurst wrote: > > The other morning I tried to arouse my Mac Pro out of sleep and was > unsu > ccesful. I took the battery out and pressed on the power button to > reset pram,etc. When I try and turn it back on, it makes the sound > as it its attempting to power up, no chime, and it sounds like the > fan or hard drive is running and the sleep light is pulsating. I > have tried this several times, no go. > I upgraded to Snow Leopard last week, that is all I can tell you. > What do you think? > Kind of bummed From paul at durrant.co.uk Wed Sep 9 19:28:58 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 19:28:58 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] So who wants a new iPod Nano? In-Reply-To: <57C35C88-5049-445D-8CC8-11731559CD55@virgin.net> References: <57C35C88-5049-445D-8CC8-11731559CD55@virgin.net> Message-ID: The iPod Nano does look very nice indeed. An excellent upgrade to the iPod Nano. (I was puzzled by the FM radio - until I checked and found that, unlike analogue TV, there's no switch off date planned for FM Radio - it will be around until at least 2017 in the UK, and probably a lot longer.) It does make the iPod Touch update look a bit weak - I was hoping to see camera, compass and GPS added to it. I guess they were working on getting the price down to $199 instead of adding features. I still don't like the new iPod Shuffle, and I see that they've now dropped the old version at 1GB. The iPod Nano is certainly the star of the show this time around. Paul On 9 Sep 2009, at 19:04, Paul Chapman wrote: > FM radio, pedometer, voice recorder, video recorder to rival a Flip > and speaker! From wjhurst44 at hotmail.com Wed Sep 9 20:11:50 2009 From: wjhurst44 at hotmail.com (Jeff Hurst) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 14:11:50 -0500 Subject: [NMUG] Mac won't start In-Reply-To: <8441ABED-BFA9-425F-BABD-CC9253F724F5@durrant.co.uk> References: <8441ABED-BFA9-425F-BABD-CC9253F724F5@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Macbook Pro 2007 editiion 2007 2.6 ghz 4gb ram > From: paul at durrant.co.uk > To: nmug at durrant.co.uk > Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 19:21:01 +0100 > Subject: Re: [NMUG] Mac won't start > > Can you confirm what Mac you have - you said Mac Pro, but then > mentioned taking out the battery? > > Lots of troubleshooting steps to go before it's a repair job. > > Paul > > On 9 Sep 2009, at 19:13, Jeff Hurst wrote: > > > > > The other morning I tried to arouse my Mac Pro out of sleep and was > > unsu > > ccesful. I took the battery out and pressed on the power button to > > reset pram,etc. When I try and turn it back on, it makes the sound > > as it its attempting to power up, no chime, and it sounds like the > > fan or hard drive is running and the sleep light is pulsating. I > > have tried this several times, no go. > > I upgraded to Snow Leopard last week, that is all I can tell you. > > What do you think? > > Kind of bummed > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk Wed Sep 9 20:30:14 2009 From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 20:30:14 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Problem with shutting down In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87F3D19E-C5E7-4488-AE8D-F8B5E02218E7@mendelsohn.me.uk> Thanks Scott - I will check this all out tomorrow and let you know what happens Phyll On 9 Sep 2009, at 18:46, Scott Matthews wrote: > it's probably something running in the background that's taking a > while to respond to the shut down. > it could be spotlight indexing - a dot inside the magnifying glass on > the menu bar means spotlight is busy. > it may be something to do with time machine. > I'm not sure if this will work, but next time you're left with just > the desktop hit option+command+esc to bring up the 'force quit' dialog > and see if anything is listed as 'not responding' > there may be a hint to the problem in the system logs, viewable using > the 'console' application > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Ed & Phyll > Mendelsohn wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> We upgraded to 10.5.8 last week. >> Now, for the last couple of days the computer will not shut down. It >> shuts down all the applications, but then we are left with the >> desktop >> screen and the small revolving disc. This continues until eventually >> we use the power button to shut down. >> From paul at durrant.co.uk Wed Sep 9 22:18:27 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 22:18:27 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Mac won't start In-Reply-To: References: <8441ABED-BFA9-425F-BABD-CC9253F724F5@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <79524AD1-4835-4DBF-AE11-BDFC55E3860C@durrant.co.uk> Right. Well, it sounds like you've already tried the SMC reset without success. I'd give it one more go, following these instructions to the letter (from http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1411 ): ? If the computer is on, turn it off. ? Disconnect the AC adapter and remove the computer's battery. ? Press and hold the power button for 5 seconds and then release the button. ? Reconnect the battery and AC Adapter. ? Press the power button to restart the computer If that fails, and it won't boot off a DVD either, it sounds like hardware failure. If you have AppleCare, just call Apple. Otherwise you'll need to take it to an Apple authorised repair place (Bite Systems?) to get it examined and get a quote for a repair. Paul On 9 Sep 2009, at 20:11, Jeff Hurst wrote: > Macbook Pro 2007 editiion 2007 2.6 ghz 4gb ram > >> From: paul at durrant.co.uk >> >> Can you confirm what Mac you have - you said Mac Pro, but then >> mentioned taking out the battery? >> >> On 9 Sep 2009, at 19:13, Jeff Hurst wrote: >> >>> >>> The other morning I tried to arouse my Mac Pro out of sleep and was >>> unsu >>> ccesful. I took the battery out and pressed on the power button to >>> reset pram,etc. When I try and turn it back on, it makes the sound >>> as it its attempting to power up, no chime, and it sounds like the >>> fan or hard drive is running and the sleep light is pulsating. I >>> have tried this several times, no go. >>> I upgraded to Snow Leopard last week, that is all I can tell you. >>> What do you think? >>> Kind of bummed From macman at f2s.com Wed Sep 9 22:38:39 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 22:38:39 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] LaCie USB external hard drive In-Reply-To: <1B3BCB9F-45FF-4427-808C-E144243F17EC@f2s.com> References: <9B7F359B-06C2-4B29-90E4-6CD737518163@mendelsohn.me.uk> <24A73718-465C-4F4A-8E80-7ED03DF6398D@f2s.com> <1B3BCB9F-45FF-4427-808C-E144243F17EC@f2s.com> Message-ID: <5A4CE90F-AA21-4076-BD7A-DF722AF171FD@f2s.com> UPDATE .... I had a trawl for "Firewire 800 won't mount" and found a very simple solution - reset the PMU. 2 minutes and both D2 external drives back in business on FW800. Next worry was that I'd bought the new power supply un-necessarily, but when I hooked up the old one it was indeed shot, so can sleep in peace. Hum Ho! Robbie On 9 Sep 2009, at 16:13, Robbie Murray wrote: I just had a power brick delivered today - had to buy, as was about 6 years old ... Ordered from Jigsaw 3.20pm yesterday : delivered 08:50 this morning. It's worth noting that they can still appear to be working - LED lights up & flickers, but won't mount. I really only diagnosed it properly by swapping power supplies with my other D2. As result of all the testing I've done, however, I've discovered the Firewire 800 port on my iMac is duff ... Ho hum Robbie On 9 Sep 2009, at 15:48, Ernie Ives wrote: Ernie Ives Marquetarian and microscopist I had exactly the same thing happen. It was still in warranty and LaCie replaced the pwerpack Best wishes Ernie On 9 Sep 2009, at 15:20, G.Howells wrote: > Hi. > I had one stop working. The problem? The power pack had > failed and needed replacing. > > Gordon. > > >> Hi, >> >> Can anyone help or suggest what we should do? Our external hard drive >> seems to have stopped working - we use it solely for Time Machine >> back- >> ups and it has not worked since Monday. The hard drive icon does not >> appear in the finder or the desktop and we have tried restarting, >> disconnecting and reconnecting cables - pressing the reset button all >> with no success. >> >> If the hard drive has "died" who can we go to get this checked out >> and >> how does one retrieve the data off the hard disc? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ed and Phyll >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From karl.hortt at btinternet.com Thu Sep 10 08:57:41 2009 From: karl.hortt at btinternet.com (Karl hortt) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:57:41 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: new hard drive and clean install, SL References: Message-ID: <61DB3CA5-7CE9-4725-B356-C3E117333B0E@btinternet.com> > > > HI All, > > getting fed up with SL...... > > > > Mail keeps crashing,, TV tuner does the same, desktop keeps getting > re-arranged !!! > > > so, Idea > > buy new 1TB hard drive... > > install clean copy of Snow Leopard > > can I then use migration assistant to move data and programs from > old drive to the new ?? > > or does this only operate between 2 different machines ? > > > regards > > Karl From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu Sep 10 09:14:37 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:14:37 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: new hard drive and clean install, SL In-Reply-To: <61DB3CA5-7CE9-4725-B356-C3E117333B0E@btinternet.com> References: <61DB3CA5-7CE9-4725-B356-C3E117333B0E@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Yes, Migration assistant can move from disk to disk (if both system disks) even on the same machine. After all, when connecting up a machine in firewire target mode, that's effectively what you have, regards, Paul On 10 Sep 2009, at 08:57, Karl hortt wrote: >> >> getting fed up with SL...... >> >> >> >> Mail keeps crashing,, TV tuner does the same, desktop keeps getting >> re-arranged !!! >> >> >> so, Idea >> >> buy new 1TB hard drive... >> >> install clean copy of Snow Leopard >> >> can I then use migration assistant to move data and programs from >> old drive to the new ?? >> >> or does this only operate between 2 different machines ? >> From karl.hortt at btinternet.com Thu Sep 10 09:43:47 2009 From: karl.hortt at btinternet.com (Karl hortt) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 09:43:47 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: new hard drive and clean install, SL In-Reply-To: References: <61DB3CA5-7CE9-4725-B356-C3E117333B0E@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Thanks for that Paul, Karl On 10 Sep 2009, at 09:14, Paul Durrant wrote: > Yes, Migration assistant can move from disk to disk (if both system > disks) even on the same machine. > > After all, when connecting up a machine in firewire target mode, > that's effectively what you have, > > regards, > > Paul > > On 10 Sep 2009, at 08:57, Karl hortt wrote: > >>> >>> getting fed up with SL...... >>> >>> >>> >>> Mail keeps crashing,, TV tuner does the same, desktop keeps getting >>> re-arranged !!! >>> >>> >>> so, Idea >>> >>> buy new 1TB hard drive... >>> >>> install clean copy of Snow Leopard >>> >>> can I then use migration assistant to move data and programs from >>> old drive to the new ?? >>> >>> or does this only operate between 2 different machines ? >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From angieking at mac.com Thu Sep 10 10:24:47 2009 From: angieking at mac.com (Angie King) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:24:47 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] PHOTOS Message-ID: Can anyone help please? I attempted to back up my i-photo library onto an external hard drive yesterday. As I had previously backed up my i-photo library to this ext. drive I needed to change the name otherwise the new b/up would have overwritten the previous one. Unfortunately I had forgotten that i-photo was open and of course it all went pear-shaped and came up with an error message! Panic set in when I could find no photos at all. I-Photo shows no photos. I-Photo on the hard drive shows no photos but if I go to the hard drive and go to SEARCH FOR there are loads of JPEGS in the folder ALL DOCUMENTS but completely muddled up. The folder ALL IMAGES has disappeared! I am just not sure how to re-instate these into i-photo or at very least save them to the ext hard drive? I'm running Mac Os 10.5.8 on G4 Titanium Powerbook, I-Photo 08 v. 7.1.5 La Cie ext h/d 40GB USB. Help! Thanks Angie King From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu Sep 10 10:50:42 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:50:42 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] PHOTOS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <495AA4B8-DA71-488D-AFFF-706D28D2B30F@durrant.co.uk> For future reference change the name of the stuff on the backup drive, not the live stuff. OK, iPhoto '08 stores the pictures inside an iPhoto package in the Pictures folder in your home folder. Is this what you changed the name of? What did you change the name to? Is that newly named thing still around? regards, Paul On 10 Sep 2009, at 10:24, Angie King wrote: > Can anyone help please? > > I attempted to back up my i-photo library onto an external hard drive > yesterday. As I had previously backed up my i-photo library to this > ext. drive I needed to change the name otherwise the new b/up would > have overwritten the previous one. > > Unfortunately I had forgotten that i-photo was open and of course it > all went pear-shaped and came up with an error message! Panic set in > when I could find no photos at all. I-Photo shows no photos. I-Photo > on the hard drive shows no photos but if I go to the hard drive and go > to SEARCH FOR there are loads of JPEGS in the folder ALL DOCUMENTS but > completely muddled up. The folder ALL IMAGES has disappeared! > > I am just not sure how to re-instate these into i-photo or at very > least save them to the ext hard drive? > > I'm running Mac Os 10.5.8 on G4 Titanium Powerbook, I-Photo 08 v. > 7.1.5 La Cie ext h/d 40GB USB. > > Help! From angieking at mac.com Thu Sep 10 10:59:30 2009 From: angieking at mac.com (Angie King) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:59:30 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] PHOTOS In-Reply-To: <495AA4B8-DA71-488D-AFFF-706D28D2B30F@durrant.co.uk> References: <495AA4B8-DA71-488D-AFFF-706D28D2B30F@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <7F507374-EFA6-4A1C-98EF-6022D592C42A@mac.com> Hi Paul I changed the name to I-Photo Library 2 in the Pictures folder and both the I-Photo Library and I-Photo Library 2 are visible in the Pictures folder but when you open them there is nothing there! Angie On 10 Sep 2009, at 10:50, Paul Durrant wrote: > For future reference change the name of the stuff on the backup drive, > not the live stuff. > > OK, iPhoto '08 stores the pictures inside an iPhoto package in the > Pictures folder in your home folder. > > Is this what you changed the name of? What did you change the name to? > Is that newly named thing still around? > > regards, > > Paul > > On 10 Sep 2009, at 10:24, Angie King wrote: > >> Can anyone help please? >> >> I attempted to back up my i-photo library onto an external hard drive >> yesterday. As I had previously backed up my i-photo library to this >> ext. drive I needed to change the name otherwise the new b/up would >> have overwritten the previous one. >> >> Unfortunately I had forgotten that i-photo was open and of course it >> all went pear-shaped and came up with an error message! Panic set in >> when I could find no photos at all. I-Photo shows no photos. I-Photo >> on the hard drive shows no photos but if I go to the hard drive and >> go >> to SEARCH FOR there are loads of JPEGS in the folder ALL DOCUMENTS >> but >> completely muddled up. The folder ALL IMAGES has disappeared! >> >> I am just not sure how to re-instate these into i-photo or at very >> least save them to the ext hard drive? >> >> I'm running Mac Os 10.5.8 on G4 Titanium Powerbook, I-Photo 08 v. >> 7.1.5 La Cie ext h/d 40GB USB. >> >> Help! > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu Sep 10 11:01:51 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:01:51 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] PHOTOS In-Reply-To: <7F507374-EFA6-4A1C-98EF-6022D592C42A@mac.com> References: <495AA4B8-DA71-488D-AFFF-706D28D2B30F@durrant.co.uk> <7F507374-EFA6-4A1C-98EF-6022D592C42A@mac.com> Message-ID: OK, First, quit iPhoto. Then move "iPhoto Library" to the desktop. Then rename "iPhoto Library 2" to "iPhoto Library". Then start iPhoto. All your pictures should be back. regards, Paul On 10 Sep 2009, at 10:59, Angie King wrote: > Hi Paul > > I changed the name to I-Photo Library 2 in the Pictures folder and > both the I-Photo Library and I-Photo Library 2 are visible in the > Pictures folder but when you open them there is nothing there! > > Angie > > On 10 Sep 2009, at 10:50, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> For future reference change the name of the stuff on the backup >> drive, >> not the live stuff. >> >> OK, iPhoto '08 stores the pictures inside an iPhoto package in the >> Pictures folder in your home folder. >> >> Is this what you changed the name of? What did you change the name >> to? >> Is that newly named thing still around? >> >> regards, >> >> Paul >> >> On 10 Sep 2009, at 10:24, Angie King wrote: >> >>> Can anyone help please? >>> >>> I attempted to back up my i-photo library onto an external hard >>> drive >>> yesterday. As I had previously backed up my i-photo library to this >>> ext. drive I needed to change the name otherwise the new b/up would >>> have overwritten the previous one. >>> >>> Unfortunately I had forgotten that i-photo was open and of course it >>> all went pear-shaped and came up with an error message! Panic set in >>> when I could find no photos at all. I-Photo shows no photos. I-Photo >>> on the hard drive shows no photos but if I go to the hard drive and >>> go >>> to SEARCH FOR there are loads of JPEGS in the folder ALL DOCUMENTS >>> but >>> completely muddled up. The folder ALL IMAGES has disappeared! >>> >>> I am just not sure how to re-instate these into i-photo or at very >>> least save them to the ext hard drive? >>> >>> I'm running Mac Os 10.5.8 on G4 Titanium Powerbook, I-Photo 08 v. >>> 7.1.5 La Cie ext h/d 40GB USB. >>> >>> Help! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From angieking at mac.com Thu Sep 10 11:13:45 2009 From: angieking at mac.com (Angie King) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:13:45 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] PHOTOS In-Reply-To: References: <495AA4B8-DA71-488D-AFFF-706D28D2B30F@durrant.co.uk> <7F507374-EFA6-4A1C-98EF-6022D592C42A@mac.com> Message-ID: <0841D1B1-DF3E-46CF-82F4-3930009EAACE@mac.com> Paul All photos are now restored into i-Photo - THANK YOU! Where did I go wrong? I did realise that I should not have changed the name with i-Photo open (it was minimized at the time) but apart from that I could not really work out where the photos went. Thanks very much - I'll be able to sleep tonight! Angie On 10 Sep 2009, at 11:01, Paul Durrant wrote: > OK, First, quit iPhoto. > Then move "iPhoto Library" to the desktop. > Then rename "iPhoto Library 2" to "iPhoto Library". > Then start iPhoto. All your pictures should be back. > > regards, > > Paul > > On 10 Sep 2009, at 10:59, Angie King wrote: > >> Hi Paul >> >> I changed the name to I-Photo Library 2 in the Pictures folder and >> both the I-Photo Library and I-Photo Library 2 are visible in the >> Pictures folder but when you open them there is nothing there! >> >> Angie >> >> On 10 Sep 2009, at 10:50, Paul Durrant wrote: >> >>> For future reference change the name of the stuff on the backup >>> drive, >>> not the live stuff. >>> >>> OK, iPhoto '08 stores the pictures inside an iPhoto package in the >>> Pictures folder in your home folder. >>> >>> Is this what you changed the name of? What did you change the name >>> to? >>> Is that newly named thing still around? >>> >>> regards, >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> On 10 Sep 2009, at 10:24, Angie King wrote: >>> >>>> Can anyone help please? >>>> >>>> I attempted to back up my i-photo library onto an external hard >>>> drive >>>> yesterday. As I had previously backed up my i-photo library to this >>>> ext. drive I needed to change the name otherwise the new b/up would >>>> have overwritten the previous one. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately I had forgotten that i-photo was open and of course >>>> it >>>> all went pear-shaped and came up with an error message! Panic set >>>> in >>>> when I could find no photos at all. I-Photo shows no photos. I- >>>> Photo >>>> on the hard drive shows no photos but if I go to the hard drive and >>>> go >>>> to SEARCH FOR there are loads of JPEGS in the folder ALL DOCUMENTS >>>> but >>>> completely muddled up. The folder ALL IMAGES has disappeared! >>>> >>>> I am just not sure how to re-instate these into i-photo or at very >>>> least save them to the ext hard drive? >>>> >>>> I'm running Mac Os 10.5.8 on G4 Titanium Powerbook, I-Photo 08 v. >>>> 7.1.5 La Cie ext h/d 40GB USB. >>>> >>>> Help! >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From alanbarber at mac.com Thu Sep 10 12:42:12 2009 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 12:42:12 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Course Message-ID: <2D2D1450-AAF6-4CFF-960D-F74E10871197@mac.com> A quick reminder for those who may have been away or for any new Nmuggers. This Saturday 12th there is a course on the Finder given by Paul Durrant. Starts 10.00 - 12.00 cost ?5,00 including coffee. At St Matthews Church Telegraph Lane West Thorpe Hamlet. For directions see http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&tab=wl Heres hoping for a good turn out Regards Alan From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu Sep 10 13:32:17 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:32:17 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] PHOTOS In-Reply-To: <0841D1B1-DF3E-46CF-82F4-3930009EAACE@mac.com> References: <495AA4B8-DA71-488D-AFFF-706D28D2B30F@durrant.co.uk> <7F507374-EFA6-4A1C-98EF-6022D592C42A@mac.com> <0841D1B1-DF3E-46CF-82F4-3930009EAACE@mac.com> Message-ID: <0537BAB8-A0E8-42CB-AAA0-47DB2B9FD3A1@durrant.co.uk> Hi Angie, The "iPhoto Library" looks like a file, but is really a directory - inside it contains all your photos, and all the information about the photos iPhoto knows where it is because it has a particular name and is in a particular place. By changing the name, iPhoto could no longer find it, and so made itself a new one. The new one, of course, contained no photos. So my moving the new one out of the way and renaming the old one back again, iPhoto could find it again. regards, Paul On 10 Sep 2009, at 11:13, Angie King wrote: > Paul > > All photos are now restored into i-Photo - THANK YOU! > > Where did I go wrong? I did realise that I should not have changed the > name with i-Photo open (it was minimized at the time) but apart from > that I could not really work out where the photos went. > > Thanks very much - I'll be able to sleep tonight! > > Angie > > On 10 Sep 2009, at 11:01, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> OK, First, quit iPhoto. >> Then move "iPhoto Library" to the desktop. >> Then rename "iPhoto Library 2" to "iPhoto Library". >> Then start iPhoto. All your pictures should be back. >> >> regards, >> >> Paul >> >> On 10 Sep 2009, at 10:59, Angie King wrote: >> >>> Hi Paul >>> >>> I changed the name to I-Photo Library 2 in the Pictures folder and >>> both the I-Photo Library and I-Photo Library 2 are visible in the >>> Pictures folder but when you open them there is nothing there! >>> >>> Angie >>> >>> On 10 Sep 2009, at 10:50, Paul Durrant wrote: >>> >>>> For future reference change the name of the stuff on the backup >>>> drive, >>>> not the live stuff. >>>> >>>> OK, iPhoto '08 stores the pictures inside an iPhoto package in the >>>> Pictures folder in your home folder. >>>> >>>> Is this what you changed the name of? What did you change the name >>>> to? >>>> Is that newly named thing still around? >>>> >>>> regards, >>>> >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> On 10 Sep 2009, at 10:24, Angie King wrote: >>>> >>>>> Can anyone help please? >>>>> >>>>> I attempted to back up my i-photo library onto an external hard >>>>> drive >>>>> yesterday. As I had previously backed up my i-photo library to >>>>> this >>>>> ext. drive I needed to change the name otherwise the new b/up >>>>> would >>>>> have overwritten the previous one. >>>>> >>>>> Unfortunately I had forgotten that i-photo was open and of course >>>>> it >>>>> all went pear-shaped and came up with an error message! Panic set >>>>> in >>>>> when I could find no photos at all. I-Photo shows no photos. I- >>>>> Photo >>>>> on the hard drive shows no photos but if I go to the hard drive >>>>> and >>>>> go >>>>> to SEARCH FOR there are loads of JPEGS in the folder ALL DOCUMENTS >>>>> but >>>>> completely muddled up. The folder ALL IMAGES has disappeared! >>>>> >>>>> I am just not sure how to re-instate these into i-photo or at very >>>>> least save them to the ext hard drive? >>>>> >>>>> I'm running Mac Os 10.5.8 on G4 Titanium Powerbook, I-Photo 08 v. >>>>> 7.1.5 La Cie ext h/d 40GB USB. >>>>> >>>>> Help! >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From yahooist at anyisle.com Thu Sep 10 14:53:50 2009 From: yahooist at anyisle.com (Neil S.) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:53:50 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Seagate FreeAgent For Mac ext. drives Message-ID: <801FD857-AE32-4AB3-A98B-BD0F3DD8FEB0@anyisle.com> Guys, Over the last week I have connected one of these drives - the 1TB - to my iMac G5 Leopard system. It connects by FireWire 400/800 so I have a fresh, bootable Leopard install on the first partition. Then, a 500GB Time Machine partition and a third, as yet unused partition of over 300GB. It was easy to install, has Mac power saving inbuilt, and is quiet and looks great. Much, much better than my LaCie Ethernet Mini Disk. I thought this might be of interest. Regards... Neil -- Sent from my ? iPhone From minkennison at mac.com Thu Sep 10 17:19:29 2009 From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:19:29 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Course In-Reply-To: <2D2D1450-AAF6-4CFF-960D-F74E10871197@mac.com> References: <2D2D1450-AAF6-4CFF-960D-F74E10871197@mac.com> Message-ID: <75230608-7006-4582-9ABE-932A81D4112D@mac.com> Hi Alan Unfortunately I will not be able to attend this time but hopefully I shall be back in October! Min On 10 Sep 2009, at 12:4210 Sep 2009, Alan Barber wrote: > A quick reminder for those who may have been away or for any new > Nmuggers. > This Saturday 12th there is a course on the Finder given by Paul > Durrant. > > Starts 10.00 - 12.00 cost ?5,00 including coffee. > > At St Matthews Church Telegraph Lane West Thorpe Hamlet. > For directions see http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&tab=wl > > Heres hoping for a good turn out > > Regards > > Alan > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk Thu Sep 10 17:36:33 2009 From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:36:33 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: new hard drive and clean install, SL In-Reply-To: References: <61DB3CA5-7CE9-4725-B356-C3E117333B0E@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I've done it several times with SLD and it works a treat. Beware transferring your users/library though. Some of your grief may be buried there! Steven Jefferson steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk On 10 Sep 2009, at 09:43, Karl hortt wrote: > > Thanks for that Paul, > > > Karl > > > > On 10 Sep 2009, at 09:14, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> Yes, Migration assistant can move from disk to disk (if both system >> disks) even on the same machine. >> >> After all, when connecting up a machine in firewire target mode, >> that's effectively what you have, >> >> regards, >> >> Paul >> >> On 10 Sep 2009, at 08:57, Karl hortt wrote: >> >>>> >>>> getting fed up with SL...... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mail keeps crashing,, TV tuner does the same, desktop keeps getting >>>> re-arranged !!! >>>> >>>> >>>> so, Idea >>>> >>>> buy new 1TB hard drive... >>>> >>>> install clean copy of Snow Leopard >>>> >>>> can I then use migration assistant to move data and programs from >>>> old drive to the new ?? >>>> >>>> or does this only operate between 2 different machines ? >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Thu Sep 10 18:04:11 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:04:11 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Boot From iPhone? Message-ID: Hi. In my quest for an iPhone I am still finding questions that need answering. An iPhone would replace my current iPod, which has been very reliable and a life saver at times. Its an old Photo model which has both firewire and usb support. I restored my install dvd to it and when I need to install or boot from dvd I boot from it. Its quicker and easier and being on a PowerPC Mac I do it over firewire. I presume an iPhone doesnt have firewire support and it usb only, but can you boot a Mac from it. Does it still have this function? Simon --- visit http://www.simonroyal.co.uk (sent using Nokia E65) From dan_tombs at hotmail.com Thu Sep 10 18:16:13 2009 From: dan_tombs at hotmail.com (Dan Tombs) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:16:13 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Boot From iPhone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Simon, I have to say that was one of my few dissapointments with the iPhone that it can't be used (as far as i know) as an USB disc, i used to own a 5G iPod Video and regualry used that for moving large files around. Seeing as it can't be used as a disc, i doubt you can boot from it. of course this is based on my experience only using the 3G iPhone, in its standard happy Apple and O2 configuration, there way well be work arounds for other models of iPhone and or Jailbroken OS's Hope that helps Best Dan > From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk > To: nmug at durrant.co.uk > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:04:11 +0100 > Subject: [NMUG] Boot From iPhone? > > Hi. > > In my quest for an iPhone I am still finding questions that need answering. > > An iPhone would replace my current iPod, which has been very reliable and a life saver at times. Its an old Photo model which has both firewire and usb support. > > I restored my install dvd to it and when I need to install or boot from dvd I boot from it. Its quicker and easier and being on a PowerPC Mac I do it over firewire. > > I presume an iPhone doesnt have firewire support and it usb only, but can you boot a Mac from it. Does it still have this function? > > Simon > > --- visit http://www.simonroyal.co.uk (sent using Nokia E65) > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _________________________________________________________________ Learn how to add other email accounts to Hotmail in 3 easy steps. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/ From yahooist at anyisle.com Thu Sep 10 18:48:49 2009 From: yahooist at anyisle.com (Neil S.) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:48:49 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Time Machine - First Impressions, years on... Message-ID: <62737760-F6EA-4DAF-B8FC-3410B8BE3B4B@anyisle.com> Wow, I've expected Time Machine to work with Finder but I am amazed at how it works with Mail too. I have just tried iPhoto 09 with it and it seems to work with that in similar fashion too. Whoa! Time Machine seems to have met the needs of the personal computer user in a most friendly and unobtrusive way. Why isn't everyone now using Macs? I want to shout this from the rooftops but I know I'm two years behind everyone else. Is there a catch with TM that, as yet, I am not aware of? Regards... Neil OS X Leopard Newbie iLfie 09 Newbie iWork 09 Newbie SAAB, Triumph, Apple, Real Ale - That's me!!! -- Neil Stevens Sent from my ? iMac G5 From brian at clearlight.uk.net Thu Sep 10 18:50:54 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:50:54 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: new hard drive and clean install, SL In-Reply-To: <61DB3CA5-7CE9-4725-B356-C3E117333B0E@btinternet.com> Message-ID: No - that could work fine but you may have to be booted from the one to migrate in. - but why not clone current system to external - and boot from it to check ok. Then you can erase and install to Mac and migrate into Mac - which is probably a better place to have it. I am enjoying Snow Leopard - still on a shelf in front of me - unwrapped! Nice picture ;-) I daresay a 10.6.1 is soon to come. all the best Brian Karl hortt said recently: > > >> >> >> HI All, >> >> getting fed up with SL...... >> >> >> >> Mail keeps crashing,, TV tuner does the same, desktop keeps getting >> re-arranged !!! >> >> >> so, Idea >> >> buy new 1TB hard drive... >> >> install clean copy of Snow Leopard >> >> can I then use migration assistant to move data and programs from >> old drive to the new ?? >> >> or does this only operate between 2 different machines ? >> >> >> regards >> >> Karl > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk Thu Sep 10 18:51:25 2009 From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:51:25 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Time Machine - First Impressions, years on... In-Reply-To: <62737760-F6EA-4DAF-B8FC-3410B8BE3B4B@anyisle.com> References: <62737760-F6EA-4DAF-B8FC-3410B8BE3B4B@anyisle.com> Message-ID: <9E18EF7C-BD40-42FA-9F04-C1EFCC5E8018@freeflightsupplies.co.uk> No, no catches. It's good in't it?! Michael Woodhouse mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ On 10 Sep 2009, at 18:48, Neil S. wrote: > Wow, > > I've expected Time Machine to work with Finder but I am amazed at how > it works with Mail too. I have just tried iPhoto 09 with it and it > seems to work with that in similar fashion too. Whoa! > > Time Machine seems to have met the needs of the personal computer > user in a most friendly and unobtrusive way. Why isn't everyone now > using Macs? I want to shout this from the rooftops but I know I'm two > years behind everyone else. Is there a catch with TM that, as yet, I > am not aware of? > > Regards... > Neil > > OS X Leopard Newbie > iLfie 09 Newbie > iWork 09 Newbie > > SAAB, Triumph, Apple, Real Ale - That's me!!! > > -- > Neil Stevens > Sent from my ? iMac G5 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From brian at clearlight.uk.net Thu Sep 10 18:57:34 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:57:34 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] PHOTOS In-Reply-To: <0841D1B1-DF3E-46CF-82F4-3930009EAACE@mac.com> Message-ID: Maybe irrelevant but I recently bought iPhoto Library Manager which makes easy to have more than one library - and relaunch iPhoto with any chosen Library as 'The' Library. I find this useful beyond that I got it to merge two libraries together for a client. http://www.fatcatsoftware.com (The Libraries can be on any mounted disk). all the best Brian Angie King said recently: > Paul > > All photos are now restored into i-Photo - THANK YOU! > > Where did I go wrong? I did realise that I should not have changed the > name with i-Photo open (it was minimized at the time) but apart from > that I could not really work out where the photos went. > > Thanks very much - I'll be able to sleep tonight! > > Angie > > On 10 Sep 2009, at 11:01, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> OK, First, quit iPhoto. >> Then move "iPhoto Library" to the desktop. >> Then rename "iPhoto Library 2" to "iPhoto Library". >> Then start iPhoto. All your pictures should be back. >> >> regards, >> >> Paul >> >> On 10 Sep 2009, at 10:59, Angie King wrote: >> >>> Hi Paul >>> >>> I changed the name to I-Photo Library 2 in the Pictures folder and >>> both the I-Photo Library and I-Photo Library 2 are visible in the >>> Pictures folder but when you open them there is nothing there! >>> >>> Angie >>> >>> On 10 Sep 2009, at 10:50, Paul Durrant wrote: >>> >>>> For future reference change the name of the stuff on the backup >>>> drive, >>>> not the live stuff. >>>> >>>> OK, iPhoto '08 stores the pictures inside an iPhoto package in the >>>> Pictures folder in your home folder. >>>> >>>> Is this what you changed the name of? What did you change the name >>>> to? >>>> Is that newly named thing still around? >>>> >>>> regards, >>>> >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> On 10 Sep 2009, at 10:24, Angie King wrote: >>>> >>>>> Can anyone help please? >>>>> >>>>> I attempted to back up my i-photo library onto an external hard >>>>> drive >>>>> yesterday. As I had previously backed up my i-photo library to this >>>>> ext. drive I needed to change the name otherwise the new b/up would >>>>> have overwritten the previous one. >>>>> >>>>> Unfortunately I had forgotten that i-photo was open and of course >>>>> it >>>>> all went pear-shaped and came up with an error message! Panic set >>>>> in >>>>> when I could find no photos at all. I-Photo shows no photos. I- >>>>> Photo >>>>> on the hard drive shows no photos but if I go to the hard drive and >>>>> go >>>>> to SEARCH FOR there are loads of JPEGS in the folder ALL DOCUMENTS >>>>> but >>>>> completely muddled up. The folder ALL IMAGES has disappeared! >>>>> >>>>> I am just not sure how to re-instate these into i-photo or at very >>>>> least save them to the ext hard drive? >>>>> >>>>> I'm running Mac Os 10.5.8 on G4 Titanium Powerbook, I-Photo 08 v. >>>>> 7.1.5 La Cie ext h/d 40GB USB. >>>>> >>>>> Help! >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>>> Manage your subscription at: >>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: >>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From brian at clearlight.uk.net Thu Sep 10 18:59:32 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:59:32 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Seagate FreeAgent For Mac ext. drives In-Reply-To: <801FD857-AE32-4AB3-A98B-BD0F3DD8FEB0@anyisle.com> Message-ID: Good to hear news of something going right! thanks Brian Neil S. said recently: > Guys, Over the last week I have connected one of these drives - the 1TB - to > my iMac G5 Leopard system. It connects by FireWire 400/800 so I have a > fresh, bootable Leopard install on the first partition. Then, a 500GB Time > Machine partition and a third, as yet unused partition of over 300GB. It > was easy to install, has Mac power saving inbuilt, and is quiet and looks > great. Much, much better than my LaCie Ethernet Mini Disk. I thought this > might be of interest. Regards... Neil -- Sent from my ? > iPhone _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG > list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk Manage your subscription at: > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From batchsteve at googlemail.com Thu Sep 10 19:08:22 2009 From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:08:22 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Time Machine - First Impressions, years on... In-Reply-To: <62737760-F6EA-4DAF-B8FC-3410B8BE3B4B@anyisle.com> References: <62737760-F6EA-4DAF-B8FC-3410B8BE3B4B@anyisle.com> Message-ID: I am 99% happy with TimeMachine but I have one niggling issue, if you take a TimeMachine disc that was backing up over WIFI/network and connect it directly to the computer TimeMachine will not recognise the data.. Same goes for moving a local disc on to the network. Steve. On 10 Sep 2009, at 18:48, Neil S. wrote: > Wow, > > I've expected Time Machine to work with Finder but I am amazed at how > it works with Mail too. I have just tried iPhoto 09 with it and it > seems to work with that in similar fashion too. Whoa! > > Time Machine seems to have met the needs of the personal computer > user in a most friendly and unobtrusive way. Why isn't everyone now > using Macs? I want to shout this from the rooftops but I know I'm two > years behind everyone else. Is there a catch with TM that, as yet, I > am not aware of? > > Regards... > Neil > > OS X Leopard Newbie > iLfie 09 Newbie > iWork 09 Newbie > > SAAB, Triumph, Apple, Real Ale - That's me!!! > > -- > Neil Stevens > Sent from my ? iMac G5 > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com Thu Sep 10 19:10:06 2009 From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (Stefan Pietrzak Youngs) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:10:06 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Is TimeMachine really that good? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0F3D8B4F-7368-4B89-9A62-A16A3BB2F03C@gmail.com> On 10 Sep 2009, at 18:51, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote: > Time Machine seems to have met the needs of the personal computer > user in a most friendly and unobtrusive way. Why isn't everyone now > using Macs? I want to shout this from the rooftops but I know I'm two > years behind everyone else. Is there a catch with TM that, as yet, I > am not aware of? > > Regards... > Neil The answer is No. IT'S EVEN BETTER THAN GOOD! There are no drawbacks to Time Machine. It does exactly what Apple specified. It works flawlessly and it is an absolute dream for when you really need it, namely to recover an accidentally deleted file. It's interface is out of this world. It's the sort of product only Apple comes up with. And if you should ever lose an internal disk - or more likely - upgrade to another Mac, then TM restores onto the new disk (or Mac) EVERYTHING you had before. Turn on and go. I just did exactly that, moved from my MacBook onto an iMac... an hour or so and I was back in biz. No decisions required. One click and it was done. There may be functionality that others consider important but missing from TimeMachine but so far as I am concerned, I am very happy for the byteheads to go buy a more comprehensive but more complex solution. My bet is when their disk craps out, they won't be back live in anywhere near as fast as if they had been using TM. The thing I REALLY like about this solution is that it just works. It doesn't require any thought and it's always there. Hence its popularity. You would have to be nuts not to use it. For the cost of a few tens of nicker for an external? I have spent 30 years telling people they have to back up... until TM came along my bet is that no more than 5% were heeding the call... why? because all the solutions required thought, knowledge of the file structure, understanding where little but essential bits of code were located so you could invoke them after a crash.. now with TM all that is sayonara baby. Rock on Apple! From batchsteve at googlemail.com Thu Sep 10 19:18:10 2009 From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:18:10 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: new hard drive and clean install, SL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E78EE64-E64D-4A58-B2B9-6613C6B2F88B@gmail.com> Karl, 10.6.1 is not going to resolve problems related to 3rd party drivers such as TV tuners May I suggest you install Leopard and wait before installing Snow Leopard, early adopters usually expect minor issues and deal with them. I have had no problems at all with my Leopard to Snow Leopard upgrade but I did have to remove a couple of incompatible applications and replace them with working alternatives. Steve. On 10 Sep 2009, at 18:50, Brian Steere wrote: > > I daresay a 10.6.1 is soon to come. > > > Karl hortt said recently: > >> >> >>> >>> >>> HI All, >>> >>> getting fed up with SL...... From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk Thu Sep 10 19:20:12 2009 From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:20:12 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: new hard drive and clean install, SL In-Reply-To: <3E78EE64-E64D-4A58-B2B9-6613C6B2F88B@gmail.com> References: <3E78EE64-E64D-4A58-B2B9-6613C6B2F88B@gmail.com> Message-ID: All my problem apps have been small apps. Even El Gato eyeTV works Steven Jefferson steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk On 10 Sep 2009, at 19:18, Steve Batch wrote: > > Karl, 10.6.1 is not going to resolve problems related to 3rd party > drivers such as TV tuners > > May I suggest you install Leopard and wait before installing Snow > Leopard, early adopters usually expect minor issues and deal with > them. > > I have had no problems at all with my Leopard to Snow Leopard upgrade > but I did have to remove a couple of incompatible applications and > replace them with working alternatives. > > Steve. > > > On 10 Sep 2009, at 18:50, Brian Steere wrote: >> >> I daresay a 10.6.1 is soon to come. >> >> >> Karl hortt said recently: >> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> HI All, >>>> >>>> getting fed up with SL...... > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Steven Jefferson steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk Thu Sep 10 19:21:16 2009 From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:21:16 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Is TimeMachine really that good? In-Reply-To: <0F3D8B4F-7368-4B89-9A62-A16A3BB2F03C@gmail.com> References: <0F3D8B4F-7368-4B89-9A62-A16A3BB2F03C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50EC4616-778E-4461-927D-E019E854187D@freeflightsupplies.co.uk> Regardless of anything else that a Mac does the time machine is a must. It's a secret that Apple doesn't seem to push like it should. Michael Woodhouse mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ On 10 Sep 2009, at 19:10, Stefan Pietrzak Youngs wrote: > > On 10 Sep 2009, at 18:51, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote: > >> Time Machine seems to have met the needs of the personal computer >> user in a most friendly and unobtrusive way. Why isn't everyone now >> using Macs? I want to shout this from the rooftops but I know I'm two >> years behind everyone else. Is there a catch with TM that, as yet, I >> am not aware of? >> >> Regards... >> Neil > > > > The answer is No. IT'S EVEN BETTER THAN GOOD! > > There are no drawbacks to Time Machine. > > It does exactly what Apple specified. It works flawlessly and it is an > absolute dream for when you really need it, namely to recover an > accidentally deleted file. It's interface is out of this world. It's > the sort of product only Apple comes up with. And if you should ever > lose an internal disk - or more likely - upgrade to another Mac, then > TM restores onto the new disk (or Mac) EVERYTHING you had before. Turn > on and go. I just did exactly that, moved from my MacBook onto an > iMac... an hour or so and I was back in biz. No decisions required. > One click and it was done. > > There may be functionality that others consider important but missing > from TimeMachine but so far as I am concerned, I am very happy for the > byteheads to go buy a more comprehensive but more complex solution. My > bet is when their disk craps out, they won't be back live in anywhere > near as fast as if they had been using TM. > > The thing I REALLY like about this solution is that it just works. It > doesn't require any thought and it's always there. Hence its > popularity. You would have to be nuts not to use it. For the cost of a > few tens of nicker for an external? > > I have spent 30 years telling people they have to back up... until TM > came along my bet is that no more than 5% were heeding the call... > why? because all the solutions required thought, knowledge of the file > structure, understanding where little but essential bits of code were > located so you could invoke them after a crash.. now with TM all that > is sayonara baby. > > Rock on Apple! > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From munkt0n at gmail.com Thu Sep 10 19:37:19 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 19:37:19 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Is TimeMachine really that good? In-Reply-To: <0F3D8B4F-7368-4B89-9A62-A16A3BB2F03C@gmail.com> References: <0F3D8B4F-7368-4B89-9A62-A16A3BB2F03C@gmail.com> Message-ID: it's not so great if you primarily use a laptop. you have to do tricky brain tricks like "remembering to do something", like plug your laptop into your external drive every day, instead of waiting for OS X to nag you. this probably doesn't apply to people with normal attention spa.... ooh look, a kitten. apart from that, I agree with everything you said, in fact I'm running a back-up as I type, first time since I installed Snow Leopard, it seems to be a lot faster than I remember. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 7:10 PM, Stefan Pietrzak Youngs wrote: > The answer is No. IT'S EVEN BETTER THAN GOOD! > > There are no drawbacks to Time Machine. > > It does exactly what Apple specified. It works flawlessly and it is an > absolute dream for when you really need it, namely to recover an > accidentally deleted file. It's interface is out of this world. It's > the sort of product only Apple comes up with. And if you should ever > lose an internal disk - or more likely - upgrade to another Mac, then > TM restores onto the new disk (or Mac) EVERYTHING you had before. Turn > on and go. I just did exactly that, moved from my MacBook onto an > iMac... an hour or so and I was back in biz. No decisions required. > One click and it was done. > > There may be functionality that others consider important but missing > from TimeMachine but so far as I am concerned, I am very happy for the > byteheads to go buy a more comprehensive but more complex solution. My > bet is when their disk craps out, they won't be back live in anywhere > near as fast as if they had been using TM. > > The thing I REALLY like about this solution is that it just works. It > doesn't require any thought and it's always there. Hence its > popularity. You would have to be nuts not to use it. For the cost of a > few tens of nicker for an external? > > I have spent 30 years telling people they have to back up... until TM > came along my bet is that no more than 5% were heeding the call... > why? because all the solutions required thought, knowledge of the file > structure, understanding where little but essential bits of code were > located so you could invoke them after a crash.. now with TM all that > is sayonara baby. > > Rock on Apple! > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- :wq From batchsteve at googlemail.com Thu Sep 10 20:04:38 2009 From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:04:38 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Is TimeMachine really that good? In-Reply-To: References: <0F3D8B4F-7368-4B89-9A62-A16A3BB2F03C@gmail.com> Message-ID: SL has made speed improvements to TM, especially the initial backup. On 10 Sep 2009, at 19:37, Scott Matthews wrote: > I'm running > a back-up as I type, first time since I installed Snow Leopard, it > seems to be a lot faster than I remember. From clokejo at talktalk.net Thu Sep 10 20:26:49 2009 From: clokejo at talktalk.net (Ivor Cloke) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:26:49 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Training Course Message-ID: Hi Alan, apologies from Paul Bloy and myself, we will not be able to attend the meeting this Saturday. Regards, Ivor. From angieking at mac.com Thu Sep 10 20:43:41 2009 From: angieking at mac.com (Angie King) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 20:43:41 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] PHOTOS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EEAB732-DBFD-423C-8E69-F81D5EFD9456@mac.com> Thanks Brian I will certainly check it out. Angie Sent from my iPhone On 10 Sep 2009, at 18:57, Brian Steere wrote: > Maybe irrelevant but I recently bought iPhoto Library Manager which > makes > easy to have more than one library - and relaunch iPhoto with any > chosen > Library as 'The' Library. I find this useful beyond that I got it to > merge > two libraries together for a client. > http://www.fatcatsoftware.com > (The Libraries can be on any mounted disk). > > all the best > Brian > > Angie King said recently: > >> Paul >> >> All photos are now restored into i-Photo - THANK YOU! >> >> Where did I go wrong? I did realise that I should not have changed >> the >> name with i-Photo open (it was minimized at the time) but apart from >> that I could not really work out where the photos went. >> >> Thanks very much - I'll be able to sleep tonight! >> >> Angie >> >> On 10 Sep 2009, at 11:01, Paul Durrant wrote: >> >>> OK, First, quit iPhoto. >>> Then move "iPhoto Library" to the desktop. >>> Then rename "iPhoto Library 2" to "iPhoto Library". >>> Then start iPhoto. All your pictures should be back. >>> >>> regards, >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> On 10 Sep 2009, at 10:59, Angie King wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Paul >>>> >>>> I changed the name to I-Photo Library 2 in the Pictures folder and >>>> both the I-Photo Library and I-Photo Library 2 are visible in the >>>> Pictures folder but when you open them there is nothing there! >>>> >>>> Angie >>>> >>>> On 10 Sep 2009, at 10:50, Paul Durrant wrote: >>>> >>>>> For future reference change the name of the stuff on the backup >>>>> drive, >>>>> not the live stuff. >>>>> >>>>> OK, iPhoto '08 stores the pictures inside an iPhoto package in the >>>>> Pictures folder in your home folder. >>>>> >>>>> Is this what you changed the name of? What did you change the name >>>>> to? >>>>> Is that newly named thing still around? >>>>> >>>>> regards, >>>>> >>>>> Paul >>>>> >>>>> On 10 Sep 2009, at 10:24, Angie King wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Can anyone help please? >>>>>> >>>>>> I attempted to back up my i-photo library onto an external hard >>>>>> drive >>>>>> yesterday. As I had previously backed up my i-photo library to >>>>>> this >>>>>> ext. drive I needed to change the name otherwise the new b/up >>>>>> would >>>>>> have overwritten the previous one. >>>>>> >>>>>> Unfortunately I had forgotten that i-photo was open and of course >>>>>> it >>>>>> all went pear-shaped and came up with an error message! Panic set >>>>>> in >>>>>> when I could find no photos at all. I-Photo shows no photos. I- >>>>>> Photo >>>>>> on the hard drive shows no photos but if I go to the hard drive >>>>>> and >>>>>> go >>>>>> to SEARCH FOR there are loads of JPEGS in the folder ALL >>>>>> DOCUMENTS >>>>>> but >>>>>> completely muddled up. The folder ALL IMAGES has disappeared! >>>>>> >>>>>> I am just not sure how to re-instate these into i-photo or at >>>>>> very >>>>>> least save them to the ext hard drive? >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm running Mac Os 10.5.8 on G4 Titanium Powerbook, I-Photo 08 v. >>>>>> 7.1.5 La Cie ext h/d 40GB USB. >>>>>> >>>>>> Help! >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>>>> Manage your subscription at: >>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>>> Manage your subscription at: >>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: >>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From jeremyknight at mac.com Thu Sep 10 22:24:47 2009 From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:24:47 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Is TimeMachine really that good? In-Reply-To: References: <0F3D8B4F-7368-4B89-9A62-A16A3BB2F03C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0CA52B7A-D253-4B05-961A-B429DF1AAE96@mac.com> My wife had a mac book and used ot at her desk with a time vault. She decided to buy an imac a year or so back. we plugged in the time vault and within about 20 minutes her screen was as it had been when she switched off the macbook. Just excellent. jeremy On 10 Sep 2009, at 20:04, Steve Batch wrote: > SL has made speed improvements to TM, especially the initial backup. > > On 10 Sep 2009, at 19:37, Scott Matthews wrote: > >> I'm running >> a back-up as I type, first time since I installed Snow Leopard, it >> seems to be a lot faster than I remember. > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com Thu Sep 10 22:25:04 2009 From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (Gmail) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:25:04 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Is TimeMachine really that good? In-Reply-To: <0F3D8B4F-7368-4B89-9A62-A16A3BB2F03C@gmail.com> References: <0F3D8B4F-7368-4B89-9A62-A16A3BB2F03C@gmail.com> Message-ID: I ditto all of below, plus this gives Mac users on Leopard or Snow Leopard no excuse not to back up. Simon Bainbridge On 10 Sep 2009, at 19:10, Stefan Pietrzak Youngs wrote: > > On 10 Sep 2009, at 18:51, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote: > >> Time Machine seems to have met the needs of the personal computer >> user in a most friendly and unobtrusive way. Why isn't everyone now >> using Macs? I want to shout this from the rooftops but I know I'm two >> years behind everyone else. Is there a catch with TM that, as yet, I >> am not aware of? >> >> Regards... >> Neil > > > > The answer is No. IT'S EVEN BETTER THAN GOOD! > > There are no drawbacks to Time Machine. > > It does exactly what Apple specified. It works flawlessly and it is an > absolute dream for when you really need it, namely to recover an > accidentally deleted file. It's interface is out of this world. It's > the sort of product only Apple comes up with. And if you should ever > lose an internal disk - or more likely - upgrade to another Mac, then > TM restores onto the new disk (or Mac) EVERYTHING you had before. Turn > on and go. I just did exactly that, moved from my MacBook onto an > iMac... an hour or so and I was back in biz. No decisions required. > One click and it was done. > > There may be functionality that others consider important but missing > from TimeMachine but so far as I am concerned, I am very happy for the > byteheads to go buy a more comprehensive but more complex solution. My > bet is when their disk craps out, they won't be back live in anywhere > near as fast as if they had been using TM. > > The thing I REALLY like about this solution is that it just works. It > doesn't require any thought and it's always there. Hence its > popularity. You would have to be nuts not to use it. For the cost of a > few tens of nicker for an external? > > I have spent 30 years telling people they have to back up... until TM > came along my bet is that no more than 5% were heeding the call... > why? because all the solutions required thought, knowledge of the file > structure, understanding where little but essential bits of code were > located so you could invoke them after a crash.. now with TM all that > is sayonara baby. > > Rock on Apple! > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From yahooist at anyisle.com Thu Sep 10 23:17:38 2009 From: yahooist at anyisle.com (Neil S.) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:17:38 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Is TimeMachine really that good? In-Reply-To: References: <0F3D8B4F-7368-4B89-9A62-A16A3BB2F03C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5CA55C1A-B4DA-4995-A2EF-0B30D26D9DBC@anyisle.com> On 10 Sep 2009, at 19:37, Scott Matthews wrote: > it's not so great if you primarily use a laptop. you have to do tricky > brain tricks like "remembering to do something" I went to PC World, at first, for a discontinued 500GB Time Capsule as I thought such was best for me & my iMac. A guy there said there's little point in a wireless solution if I have a permanently placed system such as an iMac. So I went away from a Time Capsule, wireless solution. However, this is what a MacBook user needs. Yes, the Time Capsule is expensive on a Gigabyte to Gigabyte comparison, but it offers 4 Ethernet ports and a USB for a shared printer too. However, somewhere in my research I found a 'hack' that would allow other network drives to be Time Machine target drives. Now that's what a laptop user needs, me thinks. Regards... Neil -- Neil Stevens Sent from my ? iMac G5 From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Thu Sep 10 23:23:32 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:23:32 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] 10.6.1 Is Out Message-ID: <5D5189A7-4598-4E15-989C-F0E40A209EDD@simonroyal.co.uk> Hi. For all you Snow Leopard users out there, 10.6.1 is out already. Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From rob at atvetsystems.com Fri Sep 11 01:06:11 2009 From: rob at atvetsystems.com (Robert Tillyard) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 01:06:11 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] 10.6.1 Is Out In-Reply-To: <5D5189A7-4598-4E15-989C-F0E40A209EDD@simonroyal.co.uk> References: <5D5189A7-4598-4E15-989C-F0E40A209EDD@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: <1CC67DAA-C918-4FDE-B9BA-58A7051B3DF0@atvetsystems.com> It's a very small 9MB update. Installed fine on a 17" MacBook Pro and and an 8-core "Nehalem" Mac- Pro. Regards, Rob. On 10 Sep 2009, at 23:23, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi. > > For all you Snow Leopard users out there, 10.6.1 is out already. > > Simon Royal > --- > Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on > 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, > SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Fri Sep 11 08:34:10 2009 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 08:34:10 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iMovie Message-ID: <485D5AB4-A040-4D17-8EE0-296E05A9139F@virgin.net> Hello, Does anyone have experience of the 09 version? I have imported a movie from camcorder and am trying to burn to DVD, but a message tells Me I have to open in 'shared' but that menu is greyed out. Any help please? Ken Arnoldi From band1 at mac.com Fri Sep 11 09:01:03 2009 From: band1 at mac.com (David King) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:01:03 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] 10.6.1 Is Out In-Reply-To: <1CC67DAA-C918-4FDE-B9BA-58A7051B3DF0@atvetsystems.com> References: <5D5189A7-4598-4E15-989C-F0E40A209EDD@simonroyal.co.uk> <1CC67DAA-C918-4FDE-B9BA-58A7051B3DF0@atvetsystems.com> Message-ID: <616939AE-AFB3-4BD9-A429-1C2378295C5A@mac.com> Thats odd my system update shows it as 75.1MB David On 11 Sep 2009, at 01:06, Robert Tillyard wrote: > It's a very small 9MB update. > > Installed fine on a 17" MacBook Pro and and an 8-core "Nehalem" Mac- > Pro. > > Regards, Rob. > > On 10 Sep 2009, at 23:23, Simon Royal wrote: > >> Hi. >> >> For all you Snow Leopard users out there, 10.6.1 is out already. >> >> Simon Royal >> --- >> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on >> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, >> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From munkt0n at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 09:03:20 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:03:20 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] 10.6.1 Is Out In-Reply-To: <616939AE-AFB3-4BD9-A429-1C2378295C5A@mac.com> References: <5D5189A7-4598-4E15-989C-F0E40A209EDD@simonroyal.co.uk> <1CC67DAA-C918-4FDE-B9BA-58A7051B3DF0@atvetsystems.com> <616939AE-AFB3-4BD9-A429-1C2378295C5A@mac.com> Message-ID: 75MB for me too On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 9:01 AM, David King wrote: > Thats odd my system update shows it as 75.1MB > > David > > On 11 Sep 2009, at 01:06, Robert Tillyard wrote: > >> It's a very small 9MB update. >> >> Installed fine on a 17" MacBook Pro and ?and an 8-core "Nehalem" Mac- >> Pro. >> >> Regards, Rob. >> >> On 10 Sep 2009, at 23:23, Simon Royal wrote: >> >>> Hi. >>> >>> For all you Snow Leopard users out there, 10.6.1 is out already. >>> >>> Simon Royal >>> --- >>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on >>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, >>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- :wq From penguin.999 at virgin.net Fri Sep 11 09:32:47 2009 From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:32:47 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] 10.6.1 Is Out In-Reply-To: <616939AE-AFB3-4BD9-A429-1C2378295C5A@mac.com> References: <5D5189A7-4598-4E15-989C-F0E40A209EDD@simonroyal.co.uk> <1CC67DAA-C918-4FDE-B9BA-58A7051B3DF0@atvetsystems.com> <616939AE-AFB3-4BD9-A429-1C2378295C5A@mac.com> Message-ID: <7AED43B2-8109-4C74-A9BA-E3EF53541B28@virgin.net> On Sep 11, 2009, at 09:01, David King wrote: > Thats odd my system update shows it as 75.1MB I think it depends which computer it is on. Paul C From batchsteve at googlemail.com Fri Sep 11 09:46:55 2009 From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:46:55 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] 10.6.1 Is Out In-Reply-To: <616939AE-AFB3-4BD9-A429-1C2378295C5A@mac.com> References: <5D5189A7-4598-4E15-989C-F0E40A209EDD@simonroyal.co.uk> <1CC67DAA-C918-4FDE-B9BA-58A7051B3DF0@atvetsystems.com> <616939AE-AFB3-4BD9-A429-1C2378295C5A@mac.com> Message-ID: <53B5D80B-519F-4841-92BD-E49F0F503E50@gmail.com> I noticed that my update was a mare 9.8MB I believe the difference is if you have Adobe Flash Player plug-in installed (I don't have it) if you do it will update Flash Player plug- in to version 10.0.32.18 that's what the other 65.3MB is. Steve. On 11 Sep 2009, at 09:01, David King wrote: > Thats odd my system update shows it as 75.1MB > > David > > On 11 Sep 2009, at 01:06, Robert Tillyard wrote: > >> It's a very small 9MB update. >> >> Installed fine on a 17" MacBook Pro and and an 8-core "Nehalem" Mac- >> Pro. >> >> Regards, Rob. >> >> On 10 Sep 2009, at 23:23, Simon Royal wrote: >> >>> Hi. >>> >>> For all you Snow Leopard users out there, 10.6.1 is out already. >>> >>> Simon Royal >>> --- >>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on >>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, >>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Fri Sep 11 10:03:06 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:03:06 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] 10.6.1 Is Out In-Reply-To: <53B5D80B-519F-4841-92BD-E49F0F503E50@gmail.com> References: <5D5189A7-4598-4E15-989C-F0E40A209EDD@simonroyal.co.uk> <1CC67DAA-C918-4FDE-B9BA-58A7051B3DF0@atvetsystems.com> <616939AE-AFB3-4BD9-A429-1C2378295C5A@mac.com> <53B5D80B-519F-4841-92BD-E49F0F503E50@gmail.com> Message-ID: <57C1E1F9-4104-4CD1-8780-F6815F963579@virgin.net> I couldn't download it this morning 'due to a network problem' Heavy traffic I suppose Nathan >>>> For all you Snow Leopard users out there, 10.6.1 is out already. >>>> >>>> Simon Royal From munkt0n at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 10:26:19 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:26:19 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] 10.6.1 Is Out In-Reply-To: <53B5D80B-519F-4841-92BD-E49F0F503E50@gmail.com> References: <5D5189A7-4598-4E15-989C-F0E40A209EDD@simonroyal.co.uk> <1CC67DAA-C918-4FDE-B9BA-58A7051B3DF0@atvetsystems.com> <616939AE-AFB3-4BD9-A429-1C2378295C5A@mac.com> <53B5D80B-519F-4841-92BD-E49F0F503E50@gmail.com> Message-ID: hmmm, not sure about that. from the Adobe site Adobe Flash Player version 10.0.32.18 Universal Binary for Macs | 5.66 MB On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Steve Batch wrote: > I noticed that my update was a mare 9.8MB > > I believe the difference is if you have Adobe Flash Player plug-in > installed (I don't have it) if you do it will update Flash Player plug- > in to version 10.0.32.18 that's what the other 65.3MB is. > > Steve. > > > On 11 Sep 2009, at 09:01, David King wrote: > >> Thats odd my system update shows it as 75.1MB >> >> David >> >> On 11 Sep 2009, at 01:06, Robert Tillyard wrote: >> >>> It's a very small 9MB update. >>> >>> Installed fine on a 17" MacBook Pro and ?and an 8-core "Nehalem" Mac- >>> Pro. >>> >>> Regards, Rob. >>> >>> On 10 Sep 2009, at 23:23, Simon Royal wrote: >>> >>>> Hi. >>>> >>>> For all you Snow Leopard users out there, 10.6.1 is out already. >>>> >>>> Simon Royal >>>> --- >>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on >>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, >>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- :wq From peterforrester at waitrose.com Fri Sep 11 10:39:42 2009 From: peterforrester at waitrose.com (Peter Forrester) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:39:42 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] {NMUG} Training Course In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm intending to be at tomorrow's session. Peter. From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Fri Sep 11 10:40:30 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:40:30 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] 10.6.1 Is Out In-Reply-To: References: <5D5189A7-4598-4E15-989C-F0E40A209EDD@simonroyal.co.uk> <1CC67DAA-C918-4FDE-B9BA-58A7051B3DF0@atvetsystems.com> <616939AE-AFB3-4BD9-A429-1C2378295C5A@mac.com> <53B5D80B-519F-4841-92BD-E49F0F503E50@gmail.com> Message-ID: Has anyone else downloaded 10.6.1 update very recently? recently. Software update reports a network error. The rest of my internet connection is working OK. Nathan From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com Fri Sep 11 11:03:41 2009 From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:03:41 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] 10.6.1 Is Out In-Reply-To: References: <5D5189A7-4598-4E15-989C-F0E40A209EDD@simonroyal.co.uk> <1CC67DAA-C918-4FDE-B9BA-58A7051B3DF0@atvetsystems.com> <616939AE-AFB3-4BD9-A429-1C2378295C5A@mac.com> <53B5D80B-519F-4841-92BD-E49F0F503E50@gmail.com> Message-ID: <70115027-50C8-47B9-AF41-8BD6014FC2A2@gmail.com> I downloaded it at around midnight and it works as I 'think' it should! Richard Stewart rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com On 11 Sep 2009, at 10:40, Nathan Crosby wrote: downloaded 10.6.1 update very recently From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Fri Sep 11 11:06:51 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:06:51 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] 10.6.1 Is Out In-Reply-To: <70115027-50C8-47B9-AF41-8BD6014FC2A2@gmail.com> References: <5D5189A7-4598-4E15-989C-F0E40A209EDD@simonroyal.co.uk> <1CC67DAA-C918-4FDE-B9BA-58A7051B3DF0@atvetsystems.com> <616939AE-AFB3-4BD9-A429-1C2378295C5A@mac.com> <53B5D80B-519F-4841-92BD-E49F0F503E50@gmail.com> <70115027-50C8-47B9-AF41-8BD6014FC2A2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1FA29C33-23BE-4F7C-804A-B58EA127B18C@virgin.net> I first tried about an hour ago and several times since. So I guess it could be 'them' rather than me! Nathan On 11 Sep 2009, at 11:03, Richard Stewart wrote: > I downloaded it at around midnight and it works as I 'think' it > should! > Richard Stewart > rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com > > > > > On 11 Sep 2009, at 10:40, Nathan Crosby wrote: > > downloaded 10.6.1 update very recently > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ghowells at f2s.com Fri Sep 11 12:11:18 2009 From: ghowells at f2s.com (G.Howells) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:11:18 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] (no subject) Message-ID: Hi. Having moved over to SnowLeopard I found that my Canon Pixma iP4600 was able to print straight away but the Epson Stylus SX400 all-in-one would not. I tried the Epson web sites (UK and USA) but the only thing they offered didn't work either and I suspect it was the same driver that had come with the SX400. (This was still the situation after upgrading to 10.6.1.) I seem to remember this sort of thing happening with an Epson with a previous system update and that they or someone else had then suggested Gimp. I went on to the Apple website and did a search for "Epson SX400 + Snow Leopard" and the first solution offered sent me to a page labelled "Mac OS X v10.6: Printer and scanner software". The Gutenprint v5.2.3 was suggested but now seems to be v4.2.4 and this was downloaded and when I followed the very simple instructions for putting it into use it seems to work well. Time will tell! Simple, but I hope this may help anyone else who has problems. Gordon. From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Fri Sep 11 12:26:06 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:26:06 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] 10.6.1 Is Out In-Reply-To: <70115027-50C8-47B9-AF41-8BD6014FC2A2@gmail.com> References: <5D5189A7-4598-4E15-989C-F0E40A209EDD@simonroyal.co.uk> <1CC67DAA-C918-4FDE-B9BA-58A7051B3DF0@atvetsystems.com> <616939AE-AFB3-4BD9-A429-1C2378295C5A@mac.com> <53B5D80B-519F-4841-92BD-E49F0F503E50@gmail.com> <70115027-50C8-47B9-AF41-8BD6014FC2A2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <44E17394-165D-4EF3-9EE8-9E13226860A7@virgin.net> I finally downloaded it direct from the Apple website, Weird that software update wouldn't work. Nathan On 11 Sep 2009, at 11:03, Richard Stewart wrote: > I downloaded it at around midnight and it works as I 'think' it > should! > Richard Stewart > rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com > > > > > On 11 Sep 2009, at 10:40, Nathan Crosby wrote: > > downloaded 10.6.1 update very recently > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Fri Sep 11 12:51:05 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 12:51:05 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Bridge Message-ID: <80BA8115-6220-418B-A8A5-0FC9D82A2C6A@virgin.net> Does anyone know how to save the metadata in bridge to enable me to quickly add it to new pictures? Martin Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com From allanmacam at me.com Fri Sep 11 13:59:12 2009 From: allanmacam at me.com (Allan) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:59:12 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard Compatibility Message-ID: <1DEC22C0-C630-4003-9F40-3898CD79472F@me.com> A website that has the current status on over 600 applications at: http://doesitworkonsnowleopard.com. AJ From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Fri Sep 11 14:45:37 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:45:37 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Android Phone Message-ID: <1114523A-22DD-4774-9E41-827270944953@simonroyal.co.uk> Hi. Does anyone have one of the Google G1 Android phones? Have been looking at them and was pretty impressed. It's not an iPhone, but it is pretty close and has a lot of features the early iPhones don't have. Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From allanmacam at me.com Fri Sep 11 17:00:58 2009 From: allanmacam at me.com (Allan) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:00:58 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Create complex Smart Playlists in iTunes 9 Message-ID: <061D4305-A66F-4624-AEE6-F5E5EB276857@me.com> From Mac OS X Hints. Smart Playlists in iTunes 9 can now be more than just (A and B) or (A or B or C) to build a playlist. Now the rules can be combined and nested. In addition to the plus and minus buttons, there's a new three- dot (ellipsis-like) button to generate the nested rules. For example, A and (B or C) was previously not possible. In iTunes 9, you can now do this. First add rule A and set the top "Match" criteria to All. After you have rule A done, click on the three-dot button to get a lower level rule, add rule B and set its applicability pop-up to Any. Finally, click the plus sign and add rule C. This will create the logical structure ofA and (B or C). You can get even more fancy and click the three-dot button again, and add a D or E conditional, giving you a final rule structure of A and (B or C and (D or E)). The iTunes 9 help is silent about this new feature. AJ From band1 at mac.com Fri Sep 11 17:24:31 2009 From: band1 at mac.com (David King) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:24:31 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] 10.6.1 Is Out In-Reply-To: <53B5D80B-519F-4841-92BD-E49F0F503E50@gmail.com> References: <5D5189A7-4598-4E15-989C-F0E40A209EDD@simonroyal.co.uk> <1CC67DAA-C918-4FDE-B9BA-58A7051B3DF0@atvetsystems.com> <616939AE-AFB3-4BD9-A429-1C2378295C5A@mac.com> <53B5D80B-519F-4841-92BD-E49F0F503E50@gmail.com> Message-ID: Don't think it can be Adobe as I already have that version installed. David On 11 Sep 2009, at 09:46, Steve Batch wrote: > I noticed that my update was a mare 9.8MB > > I believe the difference is if you have Adobe Flash Player plug-in > installed (I don't have it) if you do it will update Flash Player > plug- > in to version 10.0.32.18 that's what the other 65.3MB is. > > Steve. > > > On 11 Sep 2009, at 09:01, David King wrote: > >> Thats odd my system update shows it as 75.1MB >> >> David >> >> On 11 Sep 2009, at 01:06, Robert Tillyard wrote: >> >>> It's a very small 9MB update. >>> >>> Installed fine on a 17" MacBook Pro and and an 8-core "Nehalem" >>> Mac- >>> Pro. >>> >>> Regards, Rob. >>> >>> On 10 Sep 2009, at 23:23, Simon Royal wrote: >>> >>>> Hi. >>>> >>>> For all you Snow Leopard users out there, 10.6.1 is out already. >>>> >>>> Simon Royal >>>> --- >>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on >>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, >>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From batchsteve at googlemail.com Fri Sep 11 20:01:15 2009 From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:01:15 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] 10.6.1 Is Out In-Reply-To: References: <5D5189A7-4598-4E15-989C-F0E40A209EDD@simonroyal.co.uk> <1CC67DAA-C918-4FDE-B9BA-58A7051B3DF0@atvetsystems.com> <616939AE-AFB3-4BD9-A429-1C2378295C5A@mac.com> <53B5D80B-519F-4841-92BD-E49F0F503E50@gmail.com> Message-ID: You are correct, the size difference is not flash. Steve. On 11 Sep 2009, at 10:26, Scott Matthews wrote: > hmmm, not sure about that > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 9:46 AM, Steve Batch > wrote: >> I noticed that my update was a mare 9.8MB >> >> I believe the difference is if you have Adobe Flash Player plug-in >> installed From alan.barber3 at ntlworld.com Sat Sep 12 15:32:11 2009 From: alan.barber3 at ntlworld.com (Alan Barber) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:32:11 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Finder course Message-ID: <3DCD5866-B094-4123-85D9-F704AA920C07@ntlworld.com> Thanks to Paul Durrant who gave a very good demo this morning on the Finder. I have already put into practice a couple of the things he suggested. I have also just upgraded to itunes 9 and found the exercise on editing lists etc worked in the new format of 9. Please can we have a finder 2. course Regards Alan From ricnev at mac.com Sat Sep 12 16:03:59 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:03:59 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Issues Arising from today's 'Beginners course' on The Finder Message-ID: <7E6803C5-968D-4408-A9E4-BAFCF4F51413@mac.com> Hi, all. Many thanks to Paul Durrant for his masterly session on The Finder this morning. I know everyone present learned a lot from his presentation, including him! A couple of things were brought up during the casual wind-down period which I thought were worth mentioning here for us all to discuss. Firstly, there was mention of the BBC's iPlayer, and how it might be used without stuttering on a G4 Powerbook. Are there any tips on how to make iPlayer run smoothly? My impression is that a good internet connection speed is as important as the speed and power of the machine being used. What needs to be done to ensure a reasonable buffer is available to overcome slow streaming problems? I believe there is something called iPlayer Grabber which might help - could someone who has experience with this let us know how to download and use it. Secondly, and possibly related to the above, what views do people have on when one should retire a mac and upgrade to a new machine. My view for Wintel machines has always been that machines can be considered current for a couple of years after their launch, will begin to creak a bit in year 3, and are usually past it after year 4. We need to be aware of the currency of the underlying technology when we remember back to when we bought a machine - cheaper PC's were frequently 'old' technology i.e they may not be man enough to run the latest operating system without problems and might have issues with the latest (most bloated) software. We are probably insulated from these effects to a degree with Macs, but is it still a factor to remember when considering whether our old friend needs to be put out to pasture? It was good to see and discuss things with people this morning. In particular, a number of you asked for a session on iPhoto. We will try to set his up for the October 'Beginners Course'. Is there anyone with reasonable iPhoto experience out there who would be willing to lead the session? Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Sat Sep 12 16:51:59 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:51:59 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Issues Arising from today's 'Beginners course' on The F inder Message-ID: <3Slmynk7SQH6.jCbnxnqh@mail.simonroyal.co.uk> Richard Most people upgrade because they can and not just because they need to. When considering whether to retire a machine you need to consider whether it does what you want it to do with enough oomph to keep you satisfied daily. For the most Tiger will suffice for older machines. A high end G3 will handle Tiger and the basics. It may struggle with flash rich sites but for general surfing, emailing and writing it would do fine. I only retired my G3 PowerBook Pismo (a 400Mhz with 1gb ram) 10 months ago and that was because I was offered my current G4 PowerBook (an 867mhz) at a ridiculous price otherwise I would probably still be using the Pismo now. For Leopard a high end G4 or a G5 stacked with RAM will handle pretty much anything you throw at it, even professional quality image editing and video work. Macs do last longer than Windows machines. My PowerBook is 8 years old. Show me a Windows machine of that age that still keeps up. Of course a spangling new Mac is nice but we are not always in a position to do it and what a waste when yours suits your needs why bother. Simon --- visit http://www.simonroyal.co.uk (sent using Nokia E65) From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk Sat Sep 12 17:06:09 2009 From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 17:06:09 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Issues Arising from today's 'Beginners course' on The F inder In-Reply-To: <3Slmynk7SQH6.jCbnxnqh@mail.simonroyal.co.uk> References: <3Slmynk7SQH6.jCbnxnqh@mail.simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: <112ABCB5-0FEC-4DD3-945E-3ED23DF07002@zen.co.uk> Steve Jobs will be most disappointed with that, Simon! On 12 Sep 2009, at 16:51, Simon Royal wrote: Steven Jefferson steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk > Richard > > Most people upgrade because they can and not just because they need > to. When considering whether to retire a machine you need to > consider whether it does what you want it to do with enough oomph to > keep you satisfied daily. > > For the most Tiger will suffice for older machines. A high end G3 > will handle Tiger and the basics. It may struggle with flash rich > sites but for general surfing, emailing and writing it would do fine. > > I only retired my G3 PowerBook Pismo (a 400Mhz with 1gb ram) 10 > months ago and that was because I was offered my current G4 > PowerBook (an 867mhz) at a ridiculous price otherwise I would > probably still be using the Pismo now. > > For Leopard a high end G4 or a G5 stacked with RAM will handle > pretty much anything you throw at it, even professional quality > image editing and video work. > > Macs do last longer than Windows machines. My PowerBook is 8 years > old. Show me a Windows machine of that age that still keeps up. > > Of course a spangling new Mac is nice but we are not always in a > position to do it and what a waste when yours suits your needs why > bother. > > Simon > > --- visit http://www.simonroyal.co.uk (sent using Nokia E65) > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Sat Sep 12 17:25:45 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 17:25:45 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Issues Arising from today's 'Beginners course' on The Finder In-Reply-To: <7E6803C5-968D-4408-A9E4-BAFCF4F51413@mac.com> References: <7E6803C5-968D-4408-A9E4-BAFCF4F51413@mac.com> Message-ID: I use iPlayer Grabber and also iPlayer Downloader all the time for 2 reasons. 1. They're not time limited - once downloaded, you can keep them forever. 2. They're very quick to download. There is a reason - as I understand it, these are lower resolution .mov files and as a result are much smaller - very useful if you're on a download cap. iPlayer Grabber only allows one download at a time, but you can set a path to a specific file where you can keep them all together - in my case a Folder on one of my external drives. (There is a hack to allow multiple downloads, but it's so quick I've never bothered to go down that route) iPlayer Downloader allows simultaneous downloads, but puts them on the desktop. it may be possible to set a similar download path but so far I haven't been able to work this out The downside is that by definition, there will be a compromise on quality, but as I have both hearing problems and quite elderly eyes, High Definition Video and CD quality audio make little difference, so they look and sound fine to me - even at full screen on my 20" iMac They certainly play beautifully in QuickTime! Robbie On 12 Sep 2009, at 16:03, Richard Nevill wrote: Firstly, there was mention of the BBC's iPlayer, and how it might be used without stuttering on a G4 Powerbook. Are there any tips on how to make iPlayer run smoothly? My impression is that a good internet connection speed is as important as the speed and power of the machine being used. What needs to be done to ensure a reasonable buffer is available to overcome slow streaming problems? I believe there is something called iPlayer Grabber which might help - could someone who has experience with this let us know how to download and use it. From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk Sun Sep 13 10:35:38 2009 From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 10:35:38 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Problem with shutting down In-Reply-To: <87F3D19E-C5E7-4488-AE8D-F8B5E02218E7@mendelsohn.me.uk> References: <87F3D19E-C5E7-4488-AE8D-F8B5E02218E7@mendelsohn.me.uk> Message-ID: <704815A7-1370-4227-A93D-29498BCBE571@mendelsohn.me.uk> Hi Hi We had no problems with shutting down until last night. Wanted to shut down while Time Machine running - in the past (before installing new external hard drive for TM last week) we have been able to go into System preferences, switch TM off, and then shut down. Last night, we were unable to switch TM off, system preferences wouldn't quit, tried to force quit but no response at all and machine refused to switch off. Had to use power button. Looked at System Log this morning but don't understand it, but I do think it has something to do with TM. Below is a copy of the log for last night - can anyone throw any light on this. Many thanks Phyll and Ed Sep 12 22:29:21 Macintosh kernel[0]: Auth result for: 00:22:75:2a: 46:ed MAC AUTH succeeded Sep 12 22:34:08 Macintosh /usr/sbin/spindump[825]: process 821 is being monitored Sep 12 22:34:10 Macintosh /usr/sbin/spindump[825]: process 821 is being force quit Sep 12 22:34:13 Macintosh /usr/sbin/spindump[825]: process 821 is being no longer being monitored Sep 12 22:35:01 Macintosh /Applications/Palm/Palm Desktop/Contents/ MacOSClassic/Palm Desktop[828]: *** Warning: Line option kATSLineIsDisplayOnly has been deprecated. *** Sep 12 22:36:42 Macintosh [0x0-0x1b01b].com.skype.skype[197]: Main starting Sep 12 22:36:42 Macintosh [0x0-0x1b01b].com.skype.skype[197]: Starting the process... Sep 12 22:36:42 Macintosh com.apple.launchd[97] ([0x0-0xe00e].com.apple.dock[181]): Stray process with PGID equal to this dead job: PID 458 PPID 1 DashboardClient Sep 12 22:36:42 Macintosh com.apple.launchd[97] ([0x0-0xe00e].com.apple.dock[181]): Stray process with PGID equal to this dead job: PID 457 PPID 1 DashboardClient Sep 12 22:36:43 Macintosh loginwindow[26]: DEAD_PROCESS: 0 console Sep 12 22:36:44 Macintosh shutdown[832]: halt by edandphyllmendelsohn: Sep 12 22:36:44 Macintosh shutdown[832]: SHUTDOWN_TIME: 1252791404 124834 Sep 12 22:36:44 Macintosh com.apple.loginwindow[26]: Shutdown NOW! Sep 12 22:36:44 Macintosh mDNSResponder mDNSResponder-176.3 (Sep 30 2008 16:59:38)[25]: stopping Sep 12 22:36:44 Macintosh com.apple.loginwindow[26]: System shutdown time has arrived^G^G Sep 12 22:36:44 Macintosh com.apple.launchd[1] (com.parallels.desktop.launchdaemon[42]): Stray process with PGID equal to this dead job: PID 149 PPID 1 prl_disp_service > > > On 9 Sep 2009, at 18:46, Scott Matthews wrote: > >> it's probably something running in the background that's taking a >> while to respond to the shut down. >> >> it may be something to do with time machine. >> >> there may be a hint to the problem in the system logs, viewable using >> the 'console' application >> >> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Ed & Phyll >> Mendelsohn wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> We upgraded to 10.5.8 last week. >>> Now, for the last couple of days the computer will not shut down. >>> It >>> shuts down all the applications, but then we are left with the >>> desktop >>> screen and the small revolving disc. This continues until eventually >>> we use the power button to shut down. >>> From macman at f2s.com Sun Sep 13 11:36:16 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 11:36:16 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Problem with shutting down In-Reply-To: <704815A7-1370-4227-A93D-29498BCBE571@mendelsohn.me.uk> References: <87F3D19E-C5E7-4488-AE8D-F8B5E02218E7@mendelsohn.me.uk> <704815A7-1370-4227-A93D-29498BCBE571@mendelsohn.me.uk> Message-ID: What do you mean by "running"? Actually Backing up or simply ticking over awaiting the next scheduled backup? I would never attempt a shutdown during a running backup, unless it had been hanging for a long time - remember that if you have made substantial changes to the files since the last backup, it will take much longer to complete. Also, why switch it off at all - if it's passive, the programme will be closed as part of the orderly shutdown, then reload when you reboot. What's it doing this morning? Robbie On 13 Sep 2009, at 10:35, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: Hi Hi We had no problems with shutting down until last night. Wanted to shut down while Time Machine running - in the past (before installing new external hard drive for TM last week) we have been able to go into System preferences, switch TM off, and then shut down. Last night, we were unable to switch TM off, system preferences wouldn't quit, tried to force quit but no response at all and machine refused to switch off. Had to use power button. Looked at System Log this morning but don't understand it, but I do think it has something to do with TM. Below is a copy of the log for last night - can anyone throw any light on this. Many thanks Phyll and Ed Sep 12 22:29:21 Macintosh kernel[0]: Auth result for: 00:22:75:2a: 46:ed MAC AUTH succeeded Sep 12 22:34:08 Macintosh /usr/sbin/spindump[825]: process 821 is being monitored Sep 12 22:34:10 Macintosh /usr/sbin/spindump[825]: process 821 is being force quit Sep 12 22:34:13 Macintosh /usr/sbin/spindump[825]: process 821 is being no longer being monitored Sep 12 22:35:01 Macintosh /Applications/Palm/Palm Desktop/Contents/ MacOSClassic/Palm Desktop[828]: *** Warning: Line option kATSLineIsDisplayOnly has been deprecated. *** Sep 12 22:36:42 Macintosh [0x0-0x1b01b].com.skype.skype[197]: Main starting Sep 12 22:36:42 Macintosh [0x0-0x1b01b].com.skype.skype[197]: Starting the process... Sep 12 22:36:42 Macintosh com.apple.launchd[97] ([0x0-0xe00e].com.apple.dock[181]): Stray process with PGID equal to this dead job: PID 458 PPID 1 DashboardClient Sep 12 22:36:42 Macintosh com.apple.launchd[97] ([0x0-0xe00e].com.apple.dock[181]): Stray process with PGID equal to this dead job: PID 457 PPID 1 DashboardClient Sep 12 22:36:43 Macintosh loginwindow[26]: DEAD_PROCESS: 0 console Sep 12 22:36:44 Macintosh shutdown[832]: halt by edandphyllmendelsohn: Sep 12 22:36:44 Macintosh shutdown[832]: SHUTDOWN_TIME: 1252791404 124834 Sep 12 22:36:44 Macintosh com.apple.loginwindow[26]: Shutdown NOW! Sep 12 22:36:44 Macintosh mDNSResponder mDNSResponder-176.3 (Sep 30 2008 16:59:38)[25]: stopping Sep 12 22:36:44 Macintosh com.apple.loginwindow[26]: System shutdown time has arrived^G^G Sep 12 22:36:44 Macintosh com.apple.launchd[1] (com.parallels.desktop.launchdaemon[42]): Stray process with PGID equal to this dead job: PID 149 PPID 1 prl_disp_service > > > On 9 Sep 2009, at 18:46, Scott Matthews wrote: > >> it's probably something running in the background that's taking a >> while to respond to the shut down. >> >> it may be something to do with time machine. >> >> there may be a hint to the problem in the system logs, viewable using >> the 'console' application >> >> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Ed & Phyll >> Mendelsohn wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> We upgraded to 10.5.8 last week. >>> Now, for the last couple of days the computer will not shut down. >>> It >>> shuts down all the applications, but then we are left with the >>> desktop >>> screen and the small revolving disc. This continues until eventually >>> we use the power button to shut down. >>> _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From jeremyknight at mac.com Sun Sep 13 11:51:00 2009 From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 11:51:00 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Problem with shutting down In-Reply-To: References: <87F3D19E-C5E7-4488-AE8D-F8B5E02218E7@mendelsohn.me.uk> <704815A7-1370-4227-A93D-29498BCBE571@mendelsohn.me.uk> Message-ID: <223E767F-AB85-48B8-B3DD-93541658F172@mac.com> Hi, If you go to Force quit ( below the apple) you may find something has not quitted. I used to find that mail was often the culprit. jeremy On 13 Sep 2009, at 11:36, Robbie Murray wrote: > What do you mean by "running"? Actually Backing up or simply > ticking over awaiting the next scheduled backup? > > I would never attempt a shutdown during a running backup, unless it > had been hanging for a long time - remember that if you have made > substantial changes to the files since the last backup, it will take > much longer to complete. Also, why switch it off at all - if it's > passive, the programme will be closed as part of the orderly shutdown, > then reload when you reboot. > > What's it doing this morning? > > Robbie > > On 13 Sep 2009, at 10:35, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: > > Hi > > Hi > > We had no problems with shutting down until last night. Wanted to shut > down while Time Machine running - in the past (before installing new > external hard drive for TM last week) we have been able to go into > System preferences, switch TM off, and then shut down. > > Last night, we were unable to switch TM off, system preferences > wouldn't quit, tried to force quit but no response at all and machine > refused to switch off. Had to use power button. > > Looked at System Log this morning but don't understand it, but I do > think it has something to do with TM. > Below is a copy of the log for last night - can anyone throw any light > on this. > > Many thanks > > Phyll and Ed > > Sep 12 22:29:21 Macintosh kernel[0]: Auth result for: 00:22:75:2a: > 46:ed MAC AUTH succeeded > Sep 12 22:34:08 Macintosh /usr/sbin/spindump[825]: process 821 is > being monitored > Sep 12 22:34:10 Macintosh /usr/sbin/spindump[825]: process 821 is > being force quit > Sep 12 22:34:13 Macintosh /usr/sbin/spindump[825]: process 821 is > being no longer being monitored > Sep 12 22:35:01 Macintosh /Applications/Palm/Palm Desktop/Contents/ > MacOSClassic/Palm Desktop[828]: *** Warning: Line option > kATSLineIsDisplayOnly has been deprecated. *** > Sep 12 22:36:42 Macintosh [0x0-0x1b01b].com.skype.skype[197]: Main > starting > Sep 12 22:36:42 Macintosh [0x0-0x1b01b].com.skype.skype[197]: Starting > the process... > Sep 12 22:36:42 Macintosh com.apple.launchd[97] > ([0x0-0xe00e].com.apple.dock[181]): Stray process with PGID equal to > this dead job: PID 458 PPID 1 DashboardClient > Sep 12 22:36:42 Macintosh com.apple.launchd[97] > ([0x0-0xe00e].com.apple.dock[181]): Stray process with PGID equal to > this dead job: PID 457 PPID 1 DashboardClient > Sep 12 22:36:43 Macintosh loginwindow[26]: DEAD_PROCESS: 0 console > Sep 12 22:36:44 Macintosh shutdown[832]: halt by edandphyllmendelsohn: > Sep 12 22:36:44 Macintosh shutdown[832]: SHUTDOWN_TIME: 1252791404 > 124834 > Sep 12 22:36:44 Macintosh com.apple.loginwindow[26]: Shutdown NOW! > Sep 12 22:36:44 Macintosh mDNSResponder mDNSResponder-176.3 (Sep 30 > 2008 16:59:38)[25]: stopping > Sep 12 22:36:44 Macintosh com.apple.loginwindow[26]: System shutdown > time has arrived^G^G > Sep 12 22:36:44 Macintosh com.apple.launchd[1] > (com.parallels.desktop.launchdaemon[42]): Stray process with PGID > equal to this dead job: PID 149 PPID 1 prl_disp_service > >> >> >> On 9 Sep 2009, at 18:46, Scott Matthews wrote: >> >>> it's probably something running in the background that's taking a >>> while to respond to the shut down. >>> >>> it may be something to do with time machine. >>> >>> there may be a hint to the problem in the system logs, viewable >>> using >>> the 'console' application >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Ed & Phyll >>> Mendelsohn wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> We upgraded to 10.5.8 last week. >>>> Now, for the last couple of days the computer will not shut down. >>>> It >>>> shuts down all the applications, but then we are left with the >>>> desktop >>>> screen and the small revolving disc. This continues until >>>> eventually >>>> we use the power button to shut down. >>>> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk Sun Sep 13 12:29:38 2009 From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 12:29:38 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Problem with shutting down and Time Machine In-Reply-To: References: <87F3D19E-C5E7-4488-AE8D-F8B5E02218E7@mendelsohn.me.uk> <704815A7-1370-4227-A93D-29498BCBE571@mendelsohn.me.uk> Message-ID: Thanks Robbie. On 13 Sep 2009, at 11:36, Robbie Murray wrote: > What do you mean by "running"? Actually backing up > passive, the programme will be closed as part of the orderly shutdown, Just tried it now while it was backing up - shut down fine. Used to shut down fine while backing up, - but more problematic recently - ie the other day and lat night > > What's it doing this morning? Worked normally as expected. Noticed two other issues with Time Machine - when I go into it (as though I was going to restore something) - it just comes up with Mail and Mail boxes. When it occasionally opens showing replica of my desk top it takes ages for the 'cancel' command to operate. Hope this is clear! Not sure why this happens. Phyll. From eastamber at btinternet.com Sun Sep 13 12:53:04 2009 From: eastamber at btinternet.com (Roger Brown) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 12:53:04 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] BT Hub slow internet connection Message-ID: Hello I am a new member and novice of Leopard 10.5. Have installed a second hub due to previous problems with sending emails with video attachments. Have chosen to go with ethernet connection this time as wireless proved to be unsuitable. Speed of internet connection is now very slow. BT have checked the line and find no faults. Can someone please help in basic language, as previously stated I am a novice at computers. Roger Brown From david at vanedwards.co.uk Sun Sep 13 13:07:05 2009 From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:07:05 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin snail mail In-Reply-To: References: <7E6803C5-968D-4408-A9E4-BAFCF4F51413@mac.com> Message-ID: Has anyone else noticed that Virgin takes an age to start to send emails? It seems as if the sending is about as fast as usual but the handshake and system is very slow, maybe overloaded by all us cable broadbanders in Norwich. And on checking with their status page it says there are no issues in the region. It seems more general than a particular fault. The trouble is we have no leverage since cable is such an attractive option, where available. Best wishes, David -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk From paul at durrant.co.uk Sun Sep 13 13:32:41 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:32:41 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] BT Hub slow internet connection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <563DC6E1-ECA8-4574-8BEF-1EAC84772E22@durrant.co.uk> I suspect that this is your problem. The email system isn't designed for very large attachements - which ae probably what your video attachements are. Anything over 1MB may be problematic. Anything over 10MB is unlikely to get through. I'd be astonished if anyone managed to send a 100MB attachment. Many mail servers will just refuse to handle email with very large attachments. What you should do instead is upload the file to some server on the internet and send an email to the recipient telling them where to download it. regards, Paul On 13 Sep 2009, at 12:53, Roger Brown wrote: > previous problems with sending > emails with video attachments. From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk Sun Sep 13 13:54:00 2009 From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:54:00 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Problem with shutting down and Time Machine In-Reply-To: <6916AF92-77EF-4E56-BB81-14E6C81097E4@f2s.com> References: <87F3D19E-C5E7-4488-AE8D-F8B5E02218E7@mendelsohn.me.uk> <704815A7-1370-4227-A93D-29498BCBE571@mendelsohn.me.uk> <747097F6-94BF-4915-963B-96916B8EF790@mendelsohn.me.uk> <6916AF92-77EF-4E56-BB81-14E6C81097E4@f2s.com> Message-ID: Thanks again Robbie. On 13 Sep 2009, at 13:35, Robbie Murray wrote: > The Star Trek screen should come up showing whatever is to the front > on your current desktop when you enter. The star trek screen comes up, but often only show Mail and not the finder (which is always open) only if we highlight the Macintosh HD on the finder, does the finder show up on the Star Trek Screen. > > I'm still not clear why you decide to shut it down whilst backing > up, as It should only take a few minutes to complete, then you can > safely shut down. > > I would recommend at least using the 'Stop Backing Up' option > rather than just shut down when active. We have in the past used the 'stop backing up option' if we wanted to shut down while it was backing up - but using that yesterday and a few days back seemed to cause all the problems. Not sure why. Phyll From ricnev at mac.com Sun Sep 13 14:26:01 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 14:26:01 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] BT Hub slow internet connection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <776E29B6-5295-455B-BB87-AA03386C592C@mac.com> Hi, Roger. Just to re-assure you, there are plenty of novices around here, as well as quite a few friendly experienced people who are more than willing to lend a hand. A couple of things might help you and us to figure out what is happening. Firstly, which BT package are you on? Secondly, have you performed an independent broadband speed check to see if you are getting something like the speed you might expect with your package? e.g. http://www.broadbandspeedchecker.co.uk/ As Paul noted, because of their size, sending video as an attachment can often cause problems. Even a short, heavily compressed video on a fast connection can take a long time to send, and might be rejected due to size by either your isp or the isp of the person you are trying to send it to. If you need to have more info about the file uploading services Paul mentioned, just get back to us here and I'm sure there will be lots of suggestions and recommendations. Do let us know if the language veers away from being basic - some of us can get a bit carried away sometimes ;-) On 13 Sep 2009, at 12:53, Roger Brown wrote: > Hello > I am a new member and novice of Leopard 10.5. > Have installed a second hub due to previous problems with sending > emails with video attachments. Have chosen to go with ethernet > connection this time as wireless proved to be unsuitable. Speed of > internet connection is now very slow. BT have checked the line and > find no faults. > Can someone please help in basic language, as previously stated I am a > novice at computers. Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Sun Sep 13 15:33:24 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:33:24 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: Mac problem References: <8F9B26C4-D682-4B2A-B1F8-9233F2A0D1A0@tommackie.com> Message-ID: A friend of mine has the following problem on his laptop, Can anyone help please? > "I'm on Tiger on my laptop. There is no finder and no dock. If I > click on an application on the desktop an error message says" The > application "(null)" could not be launched because of a shared > library error. " Martin Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com Sun Sep 13 15:47:08 2009 From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (Gmail) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:47:08 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin snail mail In-Reply-To: References: <7E6803C5-968D-4408-A9E4-BAFCF4F51413@mac.com> Message-ID: <57F6FA0D-35D1-4C9B-B1D0-9A42404C4492@googlemail.com> I'm with Virgin Broadband and have had no problems with the speed of sending and recieving emails. Virgin do slow down my fast connection if I download a few movies from iTunes. Cheers Simon Bainbridge On 13 Sep 2009, at 13:07, David Van Edwards wrote: > Has anyone else noticed that Virgin takes an age to start to send > emails? > > It seems as if the sending is about as fast as usual but the > handshake and system is very slow, maybe overloaded by all us cable > broadbanders in Norwich. > > And on checking with their status page it says there are no issues in > the region. It seems more general than a particular fault. > > The trouble is we have no leverage since cable is such an attractive > option, where available. > > Best wishes, > > David > -- > The Smokehouse, > 6 Whitwell Road, > Norwich, NR1 4HB > England. > > Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 > Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From steve.forst at virgin.net Sun Sep 13 16:16:45 2009 From: steve.forst at virgin.net (Steve Forster) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 16:16:45 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin snail mail In-Reply-To: <57F6FA0D-35D1-4C9B-B1D0-9A42404C4492@googlemail.com> Message-ID: My Virgin connection has been noticeably slower for emails in the past few days, as David says it seems to be the ?handshake?, one the connection is made sending/receiving is fine, website connections seem normal too. S From: Gmail <2003r2tech at googlemail.com> Reply-To: Norwich Mac User Group list Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 15:47:08 +0100 To: Norwich Mac User Group list Subject: Re: [NMUG] Virgin snail mail I'm with Virgin Broadband and have had no problems with the speed of sending and recieving emails. Virgin do slow down my fast connection if I download a few movies from iTunes. Cheers Simon Bainbridge On 13 Sep 2009, at 13:07, David Van Edwards wrote: > Has anyone else noticed that Virgin takes an age to start to send > emails? > > It seems as if the sending is about as fast as usual but the > handshake and system is very slow, maybe overloaded by all us cable > broadbanders in Norwich. > > And on checking with their status page it says there are no issues in > the region. It seems more general than a particular fault. > > The trouble is we have no leverage since cable is such an attractive > option, where available. > > Best wishes, > > David > -- > The Smokehouse, > 6 Whitwell Road, > Norwich, NR1 4HB > England. > > Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 > Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Sun Sep 13 18:33:25 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 18:33:25 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: Mac problem In-Reply-To: References: <8F9B26C4-D682-4B2A-B1F8-9233F2A0D1A0@tommackie.com> Message-ID: <15EA9D9F-4FC2-4D27-9EBC-F48D58B13613@durrant.co.uk> I'd try shutting down* and restarting. If that doesn't work, it sounds like a re-install of the system software is in order. Something is very much in the wrong place or missing. regards, Paul *If no other way, by holding down the power on button for about 15 seconds On 13 Sep 2009, at 15:33, Martin Fry wrote: > > A friend of mine has the following problem on his laptop, Can anyone > help please? > >> "I'm on Tiger on my laptop. There is no finder and no dock. If I >> click on an application on the desktop an error message says" The >> application "(null)" could not be launched because of a shared >> library error. " From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Sun Sep 13 18:37:53 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 18:37:53 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: Mac problem In-Reply-To: <15EA9D9F-4FC2-4D27-9EBC-F48D58B13613@durrant.co.uk> References: <8F9B26C4-D682-4B2A-B1F8-9233F2A0D1A0@tommackie.com> <15EA9D9F-4FC2-4D27-9EBC-F48D58B13613@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Opps, please ignore the latest email I sent as Paul has just replied and they must have overlapped Martin >> >> A friend of mine has the following problem on his laptop, Can anyone >> help please? >> >>> "I'm on Tiger on my laptop. There is no finder and no dock. If I >>> click on an application on the desktop an error message says" The >>> application "(null)" could not be launched because of a shared >>> library error. " > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com From richardivers at mac.com Sun Sep 13 20:07:50 2009 From: richardivers at mac.com (Richard Ivers) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:07:50 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Finder Course Message-ID: I would also like to thank Paul for the excellent session on the Finder. Regards Richard Ivers From djr.massy at ntlworld.com Sun Sep 13 20:17:02 2009 From: djr.massy at ntlworld.com (DJR Massy) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:17:02 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Energy Saver unlocks itself Message-ID: <70F2DCD6-A9FC-4820-81E8-419C26522770@ntlworld.com> Hello! I have an annoying little problem. Having set the Sleep conditions in System Preferences and "locked" the settings, the computer often wakes up when it shouldn't. In all such cases I have found that the padlock in System Preferences, Energy Saver, Sleep settings window has become unlocked. I have also noticed that the said padlock often becomes unlocked even when the sleep functon has not misbehaved. I don't want to go to any great lengths to solve this problem as it is only a minor inconvenience, but it occurred to me that there might be a simple solution which others had found. Details of my set-up are: PowerPC, 2 x 2GHZ, Tiger (10.4.11), plenty of HD space and RAM. In System Preferences I have set: Put the computer to sleep when it is inactive for 10 min Put the display to sleep when it is inactive for 10 min "Put the hard disk(s) to sleep when possible" is checked "Schedule" is zeros all round "Options" are all unchecked; "Processor Performance" is greyed out, but has "automatic" selected from the drop down menu. No other lock/unlock choices in the whole of my System Preferences are affected. Any ideas? Jim. From stuartfidler_uk at yahoo.co.uk Sun Sep 13 21:04:21 2009 From: stuartfidler_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Stuart Fidler) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:04:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [NMUG] Tethering Hacks Message-ID: <699958.69278.qm@web24107.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Quote from a recent article: ? "It seems that the new 3.1 iPhone OS update kills both tethering hacks and the ultrasn0w unlock hack. Be especially careful since there might be no way to undo the?iPhone update - update and be damned." ? Can someone tell me, in simple?terms,?what tethering hacks are? From penguin.999 at virgin.net Sun Sep 13 21:15:10 2009 From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 21:15:10 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Tethering Hacks In-Reply-To: <699958.69278.qm@web24107.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <699958.69278.qm@web24107.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sep 13, 2009, at 21:04, Stuart Fidler wrote: > Can someone tell me, in simple terms, what tethering hacks are? A quick Google as I didn't know either: "Transform your iPhone into a wireless router, allowing you to connect your wifi deprived laptop to the internet anywhere phone service is available. It?s also perfect when you?re browsing the web but the small screen is too cramped. Now you can easily switch over to your laptop for a larger viewing window." Paul C From ricnev at mac.com Sun Sep 13 21:19:06 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 21:19:06 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Tethering Hacks In-Reply-To: <699958.69278.qm@web24107.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <699958.69278.qm@web24107.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <53CBEC99-B24E-40AE-A29D-2E61F130B7A2@mac.com> If you were to want to use your laptop out in the wilds, where there is no wi-fi signal, you would need to have some device which could connect using, say, a 3g phone signal to connect to the internet. Such a device is said to be 'tethered' in wireless, electronic terms to your laptop. Many other 3g phones do allow tethering to laptops, but Apple/O2/ AT&T didn't see fit to allow this with previous incarnations of iPhone. With the 3G S iPhone, Apple and O2 in the UK will allow you to tether, but previously one had to use a hack to unofficially tether. On 13 Sep 2009, at 21:04, Stuart Fidler wrote: > Quote from a recent article: > > "It seems that the new 3.1 iPhone OS update kills both tethering > hacks and the ultrasn0w unlock hack. Be especially careful since > there might be no way to undo the iPhone update - update and be > damned." > > Can someone tell me, in simple terms, what tethering hacks are? > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From stewart.grant at ntlworld.com Sun Sep 13 22:54:29 2009 From: stewart.grant at ntlworld.com (stewart) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 22:54:29 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] looking for 2nd hand laptop Message-ID: <366BE404622240AF96465B03E4D02933@stewartzgixzcc> I'm trying to find a laptop for my daughter - just starting a levels including photography. Does anyone have anything suitable for sale? Stewart From ken.hamer at stackyard.org Mon Sep 14 01:30:44 2009 From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 01:30:44 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] BT Hub slow internet connection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AAD8EB4.4050606@stackyard.org> Hi Roger, A couple things. First of all, as others have already pointed out, video clips may be too big to be sent through email. How big are the ones you are trying to send? Second, standard ADSL broadband (presume that's what you have - it's what most people have) is slow for uploading. The very term ADSL stands for Asymmetric Digital Subscriber Line - the critical word being Asymmetric - the download speed is different from the upload speed. The standard upload data speed that most people now have is 488Kbps (kilobits per second) which while brilliant compared to dial-up speeds, is only about 1/16th of theoretical maximum download speeds which can, in good conditions, reach 8Mbps (megabits per second). So large files will take much longer to upload (send) than to download and this is just the way it is. Of course, you may also have a general connection problem. These can be caused by lots of things including the distance of your house from your telephone exchange, the age and complexity of your house telephone wiring, the state of the telephone line between your house and the telephone exchange and contention on the "backhaul" (loading of the connection from the telephone exchange to BT's network). Another thing - when an ISP (BT or otherwise) say that they have checked the line, this is usually meaningless. The only check the ISP can usually make is whether or not the line is broken. Sometimes they can't even do that. But, in my experience, they will always say that they have checked the line and that it's all wonderful at their end (implying that it's all your fault). So, first things first. When you say that the speed of the internet connection is very slow, do you mean downloading web pages is slow? Also, I presume you have a HomeHub of some nature. These usually have a light in the shape of a lower-case "b" which flashes orange and then turns steady blue if you are lucky. What does your "b" light do? Does it flash, turn steady blue and then start flashing again? Or is it always steady blue? If it keeps flashing orange, there is some sort of connection problem with your wiring or the BT line. Regards, Ken Roger Brown wrote: > Hello > I am a new member and novice of Leopard 10.5. > Have installed a second hub due to previous problems with sending > emails with video attachments. Have chosen to go with ethernet > connection this time as wireless proved to be unsuitable. Speed of > internet connection is now very slow. BT have checked the line and > find no faults. > Can someone please help in basic language, as previously stated I am a > novice at computers. > Roger Brown > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk Mon Sep 14 08:08:47 2009 From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:08:47 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] BT Hub slow internet connection In-Reply-To: <4AAD8EB4.4050606@stackyard.org> References: <4AAD8EB4.4050606@stackyard.org> Message-ID: <124CA067-6577-46D3-85BC-005F91355A77@freeflightsupplies.co.uk> I don't know if this has anything to do with it. I use BT and over the weekend I experienced a couple of problems with the broad band connection. I was experiencing the internet hanging. I checked and found that the speed was wobbling and it dropped out for a short time on a couple of occasions. However all is well again. Michael Woodhouse mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ On 14 Sep 2009, at 01:30, Ken Hamer wrote: > Hi Roger, > > A couple things. First of all, as others have already pointed out, > video clips may be too big to be sent through email. How big are the > ones you are trying to send? > > Second, standard ADSL broadband (presume that's what you have - it's > what most people have) is slow for uploading. The very term ADSL > stands > for Asymmetric Digital Subscriber Line - the critical word being > Asymmetric - the download speed is different from the upload speed. > The standard upload data speed that most people now have is 488Kbps > (kilobits per second) which while brilliant compared to dial-up > speeds, > is only about 1/16th of theoretical maximum download speeds which can, > in good conditions, reach 8Mbps (megabits per second). > > So large files will take much longer to upload (send) than to download > and this is just the way it is. > > Of course, you may also have a general connection problem. These > can be > caused by lots of things including the distance of your house from > your > telephone exchange, the age and complexity of your house telephone > wiring, the state of the telephone line between your house and the > telephone exchange and contention on the "backhaul" (loading of the > connection from the telephone exchange to BT's network). > > Another thing - when an ISP (BT or otherwise) say that they have > checked > the line, this is usually meaningless. The only check the ISP can > usually make is whether or not the line is broken. Sometimes they > can't > even do that. But, in my experience, they will always say that they > have checked the line and that it's all wonderful at their end > (implying > that it's all your fault). > > So, first things first. When you say that the speed of the internet > connection is very slow, do you mean downloading web pages is slow? > Also, I presume you have a HomeHub of some nature. These usually > have a > light in the shape of a lower-case "b" which flashes orange and then > turns steady blue if you are lucky. What does your "b" light do? > Does > it flash, turn steady blue and then start flashing again? Or is it > always steady blue? If it keeps flashing orange, there is some sort > of > connection problem with your wiring or the BT line. > > Regards, > > Ken > > Roger Brown wrote: >> Hello >> I am a new member and novice of Leopard 10.5. >> Have installed a second hub due to previous problems with sending >> emails with video attachments. Have chosen to go with ethernet >> connection this time as wireless proved to be unsuitable. Speed of >> internet connection is now very slow. BT have checked the line and >> find no faults. >> Can someone please help in basic language, as previously stated I >> am a >> novice at computers. >> Roger Brown >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ken.hamer at stackyard.org Mon Sep 14 09:00:08 2009 From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:00:08 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] BT Hub slow internet connection In-Reply-To: <124CA067-6577-46D3-85BC-005F91355A77@freeflightsupplies.co.uk> References: <4AAD8EB4.4050606@stackyard.org> <124CA067-6577-46D3-85BC-005F91355A77@freeflightsupplies.co.uk> Message-ID: <4AADF808.1000702@stackyard.org> Yes, all ISPs experience temporary glitches. BT have had several recently including one about a month ago when there was a day without DNS for many people. But it sounds like Roger's problems were more long-term. Perhaps he'll let us know what happens. Michael Woodhouse wrote: > I don't know if this has anything to do with it. I use BT and over the > weekend I experienced a couple of problems with the broad band > connection. I was experiencing the internet hanging. I checked and > found that the speed was wobbling and it dropped out for a short time > on a couple of occasions. However all is well again. > > Michael Woodhouse > mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk > http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk Mon Sep 14 09:24:08 2009 From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:24:08 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] BT Hub slow internet connection In-Reply-To: <4AADF808.1000702@stackyard.org> References: <4AAD8EB4.4050606@stackyard.org> <124CA067-6577-46D3-85BC-005F91355A77@freeflightsupplies.co.uk> <4AADF808.1000702@stackyard.org> Message-ID: <9BF5A052-784E-4280-BD95-FC9F8DFCA940@freeflightsupplies.co.uk> Fair enough, t'was just a thought. I usually get into a state of mild panic when these sort of issues occur. The thought being "God I've pressed the wrong button again and broken it!' Michael Woodhouse mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ On 14 Sep 2009, at 09:00, Ken Hamer wrote: > Yes, all ISPs experience temporary glitches. BT have had several > recently including one about a month ago when there was a day without > DNS for many people. But it sounds like Roger's problems were more > long-term. Perhaps he'll let us know what happens. > > Michael Woodhouse wrote: >> I don't know if this has anything to do with it. I use BT and over >> the >> weekend I experienced a couple of problems with the broad band >> connection. I was experiencing the internet hanging. I checked and >> found that the speed was wobbling and it dropped out for a short time >> on a couple of occasions. However all is well again. >> >> Michael Woodhouse >> mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk >> http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ken.hamer at stackyard.org Mon Sep 14 09:37:10 2009 From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:37:10 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] BT Hub slow internet connection In-Reply-To: <9BF5A052-784E-4280-BD95-FC9F8DFCA940@freeflightsupplies.co.uk> References: <4AAD8EB4.4050606@stackyard.org> <124CA067-6577-46D3-85BC-005F91355A77@freeflightsupplies.co.uk> <4AADF808.1000702@stackyard.org> <9BF5A052-784E-4280-BD95-FC9F8DFCA940@freeflightsupplies.co.uk> Message-ID: <4AAE00B6.1060009@stackyard.org> You're not alone by any means. However, everyone must remember that almost all computer problems are caused by hardware designers, software engineers and network administrators. It's hardly ever the fault of the poor old user. Michael Woodhouse wrote: > Fair enough, t'was just a thought. I usually get into a state of mild > panic when these sort of issues occur. The thought being "God I've > pressed the wrong button again and broken it!' > > Michael Woodhouse > mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk > http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ > > From ghowells at f2s.com Mon Sep 14 10:18:10 2009 From: ghowells at f2s.com (G.Howells) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:18:10 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] BT Hub slow internet connection In-Reply-To: <9BF5A052-784E-4280-BD95-FC9F8DFCA940@freeflightsupplies.co.uk> References: <4AAD8EB4.4050606@stackyard.org> <124CA067-6577-46D3-85BC-005F91355A77@freeflightsupplies.co.uk> <4AADF808.1000702@stackyard.org> <9BF5A052-784E-4280-BD95-FC9F8DFCA940@freeflightsupplies.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Michael. When I was teaching Physics and computers were just beginning to come into schools the Education Department's computer adviser said that the first thing he had to persuade people of was that whatever you pressed it wouldn't blow up! I think the fear back then was a bit of a throwback to the days of valves. Gordon. >Fair enough, t'was just a thought. I usually get into a state of mild >panic when these sort of issues occur. The thought being "God I've >pressed the wrong button again and broken it!' > >Michael Woodhouse >mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk >http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ > From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk Mon Sep 14 10:30:07 2009 From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:30:07 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] BT Hub slow internet connection In-Reply-To: References: <4AAD8EB4.4050606@stackyard.org> <124CA067-6577-46D3-85BC-005F91355A77@freeflightsupplies.co.uk> <4AADF808.1000702@stackyard.org> <9BF5A052-784E-4280-BD95-FC9F8DFCA940@freeflightsupplies.co.uk> Message-ID: <12483664-DEC2-47A0-BB2C-4107FCC2411F@freeflightsupplies.co.uk> Gordon It's called old age! When I first encountered computers it was in the late '50s and it was paper tape, controlled environments and a white coat. The buggers in those days used to get quite twitchy. I've been through all the phases since and I never really come to terms with the ease and simplicity of the stuff we have now. It now seems to easy to be possible! Michael Woodhouse mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ On 14 Sep 2009, at 10:18, G.Howells wrote: > Hi Michael. > When I was teaching Physics and computers were just beginning > to come into schools the Education Department's computer adviser said > that the first thing he had to persuade people of was that whatever > you pressed it wouldn't blow up! > I think the fear back then was a bit of a throwback to the > days of valves. > > Gordon. > > > >> Fair enough, t'was just a thought. I usually get into a state of mild >> panic when these sort of issues occur. The thought being "God I've >> pressed the wrong button again and broken it!' >> >> Michael Woodhouse >> mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk >> http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From brian at clearlight.uk.net Mon Sep 14 10:45:29 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:45:29 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] BT Hub slow internet connection In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Such fear cripples the ability to learn - whereas a grounded orientation can allow due respect for the system of relationships. It isn't just 'fear' of something - but expresses a lack of self belief or a negative self expectation. Old preferences that could simply be deleted. regards Brian G.Howells said recently: > Hi Michael. > When I was teaching Physics and computers were just beginning > to come into schools the Education Department's computer adviser said > that the first thing he had to persuade people of was that whatever > you pressed it wouldn't blow up! > I think the fear back then was a bit of a throwback to the > days of valves. > > Gordon. > > > >> Fair enough, t'was just a thought. I usually get into a state of mild >> panic when these sort of issues occur. The thought being "God I've >> pressed the wrong button again and broken it!' >> >> Michael Woodhouse >> mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk >> http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk Mon Sep 14 10:54:32 2009 From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:54:32 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] BT Hub slow internet connection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Cor! this is getting all a bit esoteric! However I understand the point that you are making. We mustn't get caught up in the trap being in fear of itself. Now back to should I upgrade to Snow Leopard or not! Michael Woodhouse mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ On 14 Sep 2009, at 10:45, Brian Steere wrote: > Such fear cripples the ability to learn - whereas a grounded > orientation can > allow due respect for the system of relationships. It isn't just > 'fear' of > something - but expresses a lack of self belief or a negative self > expectation. Old preferences that could simply be deleted. > > regards > Brian > > > > G.Howells said recently: > >> Hi Michael. >> When I was teaching Physics and computers were just beginning >> to come into schools the Education Department's computer adviser said >> that the first thing he had to persuade people of was that whatever >> you pressed it wouldn't blow up! >> I think the fear back then was a bit of a throwback to the >> days of valves. >> >> Gordon. >> >> >> >>> Fair enough, t'was just a thought. I usually get into a state of >>> mild >>> panic when these sort of issues occur. The thought being "God I've >>> pressed the wrong button again and broken it!' >>> >>> Michael Woodhouse >>> mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk >>> http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ghowells at f2s.com Mon Sep 14 12:38:33 2009 From: ghowells at f2s.com (G.Howells) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:38:33 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard Compatibility - AppleWorks Drawing/Photo enlarge/reduce. In-Reply-To: <1DEC22C0-C630-4003-9F40-3898CD79472F@me.com> References: <1DEC22C0-C630-4003-9F40-3898CD79472F@me.com> Message-ID: Hi Snow Leopard working well so far apart from:- A. It is taking a very long time to boot up. B. When changing fonts in AppleWorks I have a font list that extends beyond the bottom of the screen. The font list is taking much longer to drop down. C. At the moment the facility to enlarge or reduce drawings / photographs in AppleWorks does not work. Has anyone found this elsewhere? Gordon. From brian at clearlight.uk.net Mon Sep 14 14:13:09 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:13:09 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] BT Hub slow internet connection In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Michael Well I didn't mean to go OT - but in my experience of supporting people with computers I find some aspect of technophobia to be a major factor. Of course there are very many aspects to it and we are all different. A fearful interpretation of events recycles past hurts and failings - and tends to set up the same kind of conditions. Groups like this are a great way to share support - for one of the unnecessary beliefs is "I am alone in having to manage this situation" - or variants like "I ought to be able to do this all by myself". I'm waiting before upgrading to SL as the benefits - as far as I have a sense of them - are not compelling. Whereas the prospect of sorting glitches is happily consigned to not now. But with 10.6.1 and more apps compatible - its probably less problematic. Of course for some it wont be at all problematic. all the best Brian Michael Woodhouse said recently: > Cor! this is getting all a bit esoteric! However I understand the > point that you are making. We mustn't get caught up in the trap being > in fear of itself. > > Now back to should I upgrade to Snow Leopard or not! > > Michael Woodhouse > mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk > http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ > > > > > On 14 Sep 2009, at 10:45, Brian Steere wrote: > >> Such fear cripples the ability to learn - whereas a grounded >> orientation can >> allow due respect for the system of relationships. It isn't just >> 'fear' of >> something - but expresses a lack of self belief or a negative self >> expectation. Old preferences that could simply be deleted. >> >> regards >> Brian >> >> >> >> G.Howells said recently: >> >>> Hi Michael. >>> When I was teaching Physics and computers were just beginning >>> to come into schools the Education Department's computer adviser said >>> that the first thing he had to persuade people of was that whatever >>> you pressed it wouldn't blow up! >>> I think the fear back then was a bit of a throwback to the >>> days of valves. >>> >>> Gordon. >>> >>> >>> >>>> Fair enough, t'was just a thought. I usually get into a state of >>>> mild >>>> panic when these sort of issues occur. The thought being "God I've >>>> pressed the wrong button again and broken it!' >>>> >>>> Michael Woodhouse >>>> mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk >>>> http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: >>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From robharrington at mac.com Mon Sep 14 14:30:43 2009 From: robharrington at mac.com (ROB HARRINGTON) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:30:43 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] BT Hub slow internet connection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01CF0328-94D7-4606-A3B4-C7D646ACC8E5@mac.com> Brian- I have been on the other end of the fear/superstition thing when, after a series of faults on my film-editing computer, the'boss' asks ' why is it always your machine that breaks down? A bit like when did you stop beating your wife......... Rob Harrington On 14 Sep 2009, at 14:13, Brian Steere wrote: > Hi Michael > Well I didn't mean to go OT - but in my experience of supporting > people with > computers I find some aspect of technophobia to be a major factor. > Of course there are very many aspects to it and we are all different. > A fearful interpretation of events recycles past hurts and failings > - and > tends to set up the same kind of conditions. > > all the best > Brian > > Michael Woodhouse said recently: > >> Cor! this is getting all a bit esoteric! However I understand the >> point that you are making. We mustn't get caught up in the trap being >> in fear of itself. >> >> From brian at clearlight.uk.net Mon Sep 14 15:57:42 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:57:42 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] BT Hub slow internet connection In-Reply-To: <01CF0328-94D7-4606-A3B4-C7D646ACC8E5@mac.com> Message-ID: well yes thats maybe a bit of the other aspect - scapegoating. (A blame 'convenience') But computers and life are full of innumerable and freak variables such that pathways can occur that reflect aspects of the mind - and give rise perhaps to superstition. Don't anthromorphise computers. They hate it when you do that! ;-) all the best Brian ROB HARRINGTON said recently: > Brian- > I have been on the other end of the fear/superstition thing when, > after a series of faults on my film-editing computer, the'boss' asks > ' why is it always your machine that breaks down? > A bit like when did you stop beating your wife......... > Rob Harrington > > On 14 Sep 2009, at 14:13, Brian Steere wrote: > >> Hi Michael >> Well I didn't mean to go OT - but in my experience of supporting >> people with >> computers I find some aspect of technophobia to be a major factor. >> Of course there are very many aspects to it and we are all different. >> A fearful interpretation of events recycles past hurts and failings >> - and >> tends to set up the same kind of conditions. >> >> all the best >> Brian >> >> Michael Woodhouse said recently: >> >>> Cor! this is getting all a bit esoteric! However I understand the >>> point that you are making. We mustn't get caught up in the trap being >>> in fear of itself. >>> >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk Mon Sep 14 16:05:39 2009 From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:05:39 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] BT Hub slow internet connection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0B9EF706-9B2F-4C30-9E42-735C8A7DD627@freeflightsupplies.co.uk> I don't care what you say I know its watching me! I hope that its not reading this e-mail! Michael Woodhouse mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ On 14 Sep 2009, at 15:57, Brian Steere wrote: > well yes thats maybe a bit of the other aspect - scapegoating. > (A blame 'convenience') > > But computers and life are full of innumerable and freak variables > such that > pathways can occur that reflect aspects of the mind - and give rise > perhaps > to superstition. > > Don't anthromorphise computers. They hate it when you do that! > ;-) > > all the best > Brian > > > > > ROB HARRINGTON said recently: > >> Brian- >> I have been on the other end of the fear/superstition thing when, >> after a series of faults on my film-editing computer, the'boss' asks >> ' why is it always your machine that breaks down? >> A bit like when did you stop beating your wife......... >> Rob Harrington >> >> On 14 Sep 2009, at 14:13, Brian Steere wrote: >> >>> Hi Michael >>> Well I didn't mean to go OT - but in my experience of supporting >>> people with >>> computers I find some aspect of technophobia to be a major factor. >>> Of course there are very many aspects to it and we are all >>> different. >>> A fearful interpretation of events recycles past hurts and failings >>> - and >>> tends to set up the same kind of conditions. >>> >>> all the best >>> Brian >>> >>> Michael Woodhouse said recently: >>> >>>> Cor! this is getting all a bit esoteric! However I understand the >>>> point that you are making. We mustn't get caught up in the trap >>>> being >>>> in fear of itself. >>>> >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Mon Sep 14 16:17:59 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:17:59 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] BT Hub slow internet connection In-Reply-To: <0B9EF706-9B2F-4C30-9E42-735C8A7DD627@freeflightsupplies.co.uk> References: <0B9EF706-9B2F-4C30-9E42-735C8A7DD627@freeflightsupplies.co.uk> Message-ID: <5BD94BB3-4C23-41FE-BE47-0FCACB5DEF61@simonroyal.co.uk> Hi. I have for a long time subscribed to the 'ghost in the machine' theory. They are alive. They can act by themselves. It won't be long before they rebel and take over the human race. The only thing keeping me safe is I know my PowerBook only lasts 30 minutes on battery at best. So I only have to fight it off for a short time before it dies with only its sleep light blinking at me. Simon On 14 Sep 2009, at 16:05, Michael Woodhouse wrote: > I don't care what you say I know its watching me! I hope that its not > reading this e-mail! > > Michael Woodhouse > mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk > http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ > > > > > On 14 Sep 2009, at 15:57, Brian Steere wrote: > >> well yes thats maybe a bit of the other aspect - scapegoating. >> (A blame 'convenience') >> >> But computers and life are full of innumerable and freak variables >> such that >> pathways can occur that reflect aspects of the mind - and give rise >> perhaps >> to superstition. >> >> Don't anthromorphise computers. They hate it when you do that! >> ;-) >> >> all the best >> Brian >> >> >> >> >> ROB HARRINGTON said recently: >> >>> Brian- >>> I have been on the other end of the fear/superstition thing when, >>> after a series of faults on my film-editing computer, the'boss' asks >>> ' why is it always your machine that breaks down? >>> A bit like when did you stop beating your wife......... >>> Rob Harrington >>> >>> On 14 Sep 2009, at 14:13, Brian Steere wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Michael >>>> Well I didn't mean to go OT - but in my experience of supporting >>>> people with >>>> computers I find some aspect of technophobia to be a major factor. >>>> Of course there are very many aspects to it and we are all >>>> different. >>>> A fearful interpretation of events recycles past hurts and failings >>>> - and >>>> tends to set up the same kind of conditions. >>>> >>>> all the best >>>> Brian >>>> >>>> Michael Woodhouse said recently: >>>> >>>>> Cor! this is getting all a bit esoteric! However I understand the >>>>> point that you are making. We mustn't get caught up in the trap >>>>> being >>>>> in fear of itself. >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com Mon Sep 14 17:20:42 2009 From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (Stefan Pietrzak Youngs) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:20:42 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] FTP failing on 10.6.1 Message-ID: My regular and - to me vital - use of ftp has ceased because upon installation of 10.6, NONE of my clients (Fetch, FileZilla, Cyberduck, all latest versions said to be 10.6 OK) will upload to ANY of the servers I support. In all cases I receive a connection timeout when I attempt an upload. I am able to connect to each server and am able to download from each server. I have not touched any of the settings used successfully in 10.5 Same behaviour on 2 MacBooks, and iMac, and my brother reports same thing happening on his 10.6 iMac. Anybody got any clues? From brian at clearlight.uk.net Mon Sep 14 17:24:22 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:24:22 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] BT Hub slow internet connection In-Reply-To: <5BD94BB3-4C23-41FE-BE47-0FCACB5DEF61@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: Oh that happened long ago - and is called the human race - or 'Adam's sleep while the movies loop and repeat'. The cost of habitual mechanism is the mechanisation of our mind's experience. But not if guided by the heart. Now that probably is esoteric. If you think the net is slow now - wait until sensory communication devices get holographic user interfaces. They might be called 'bodies'. rescue programs will be needed to bring back the addicted - who will develop ever more clever defences against being woke up. all the best Brian Simon Royal said recently: > It won't be long > before they rebel and take over the human race. From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk Mon Sep 14 17:55:17 2009 From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 17:55:17 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] FTP failing on 10.6.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9C4229AE-BD64-4B71-9A96-92897155A2EE@freeflightsupplies.co.uk> I don't know but try Classic FTP. This was a free download and works OK on Leopard. I haven't as yet updated to Snowie. Or perhaps somebody else on the list could give this FTP a shot on Snow Leopard? Michael Woodhouse mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ On 14 Sep 2009, at 17:20, Stefan Pietrzak Youngs wrote: > My regular and - to me vital - use of ftp has ceased because upon > installation of 10.6, NONE of my clients (Fetch, FileZilla, Cyberduck, > all latest versions said to be 10.6 OK) will upload to ANY of the > servers I support. > > In all cases I receive a connection timeout when I attempt an upload. > > I am able to connect to each server and am able to download from each > server. > > I have not touched any of the settings used successfully in 10.5 > > Same behaviour on 2 MacBooks, and iMac, and my brother reports same > thing happening on his 10.6 iMac. > > Anybody got any clues? > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com Mon Sep 14 18:06:27 2009 From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (Stefan Pietrzak Youngs) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:06:27 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Classic FTP on 10.6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8E447AF8-B871-4386-85C6-FCF2704351AE@gmail.com> > > > Subject: Re: [NMUG] FTP failing on 10.6.1 > > > I don't know but try Classic FTP. This was a free download and works > OK on Leopard. I haven't as yet updated to Snowie. Thanks but doesn't run From band1 at mac.com Mon Sep 14 18:31:08 2009 From: band1 at mac.com (David King) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:31:08 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] FTP failing on 10.6.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B65B395-B9E7-46FA-9662-2113C690127B@mac.com> Was somewhat alarmed when I read you note as I use Fetch 4.0.3 to upload certain files to two web sites I run. I have just tested it in 10.6.1 and all seems to be working as it should. I uploaded a small file to one folder on the site. It arrived and I then deleted it just as it should be. So no problems here. Could it be something on the server as I occasionally get problems but they seem to be sorted on a later try. David On 14 Sep 2009, at 17:20, Stefan Pietrzak Youngs wrote: > My regular and - to me vital - use of ftp has ceased because upon > installation of 10.6, NONE of my clients (Fetch, FileZilla, Cyberduck, > all latest versions said to be 10.6 OK) will upload to ANY of the > servers I support. > > In all cases I receive a connection timeout when I attempt an upload. > > I am able to connect to each server and am able to download from each > server. > > I have not touched any of the settings used successfully in 10.5 > > Same behaviour on 2 MacBooks, and iMac, and my brother reports same > thing happening on his 10.6 iMac. > > Anybody got any clues? > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com Mon Sep 14 18:54:37 2009 From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (Stefan Pietrzak Youngs) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 18:54:37 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Continuing FTP Problems with 10.6 Message-ID: <8B613D58-E9A5-4155-80D3-5224E0A85A44@gmail.com> Perhaps someone with more network knowledge than I can shed some light on the problems I am experiencing. Since upgrading to 10.6 none of my ftp clients will upload to any of the servers I am servicing. I have the same problem on all 3 Macs, all running 10.6 They all report a connection timeout after connecting to the remote server and starting the download. Bizarrely, I can download from each server quite happily. Even more bizarrely, the behaviour is the same with a Windows client running on my iMac's VM machine. I get the same problem ever Ethernet or Airport. I've tried rebooting the router. The fact that it happens in my XP environment as well as in 10.6 would seem to rule out a problem in the application layer, which is supported by all 3 vendors claiming their code is OK with 10.6 My suspicion is that 10.6 has interfered with something on the router which affects outbound ftp traffic only (since I can send out email with attachments) Does this additional info help some bright spark come up with a theory.. and possibly a solution? From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Mon Sep 14 19:11:30 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:11:30 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Continuing FTP Problems with 10.6 In-Reply-To: <8B613D58-E9A5-4155-80D3-5224E0A85A44@gmail.com> References: <8B613D58-E9A5-4155-80D3-5224E0A85A44@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7342968F-8D1A-4FB5-8632-D9E55FD5C355@simonroyal.co.uk> Stefan The fact you are having problems with machines running 10.6 and an XP machine would tend to rule out it was a problem with 10.6 directly. It may just be coincidental that happened around the time you upgraded to 10.6. Have you tried a different FTP server or are you trying to connect all the machines to the same server? I wouldn't have thought 10.6 could have interfered with anything router side without user intervention first. Sorry I can't be of more help. Simon On 14 Sep 2009, at 18:54, Stefan Pietrzak Youngs wrote: > Perhaps someone with more network knowledge than I can shed some light > on the problems I am experiencing. > > Since upgrading to 10.6 none of my ftp clients will upload to any of > the servers I am servicing. I have the same problem on all 3 Macs, all > running 10.6 > > They all report a connection timeout after connecting to the remote > server and starting the download. > > Bizarrely, I can download from each server quite happily. > > Even more bizarrely, the behaviour is the same with a Windows client > running on my iMac's VM machine. > > I get the same problem ever Ethernet or Airport. > > I've tried rebooting the router. > > The fact that it happens in my XP environment as well as in 10.6 would > seem to rule out a problem in the application layer, which is > supported by all 3 vendors claiming their code is OK with 10.6 > > My suspicion is that 10.6 has interfered with something on the router > which affects outbound ftp traffic only (since I can send out email > with attachments) > > Does this additional info help some bright spark come up with a > theory.. and possibly a solution? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From ken.hamer at stackyard.org Mon Sep 14 19:19:43 2009 From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:19:43 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Continuing FTP Problems with 10.6 In-Reply-To: <8B613D58-E9A5-4155-80D3-5224E0A85A44@gmail.com> References: <8B613D58-E9A5-4155-80D3-5224E0A85A44@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AAE893F.1090003@stackyard.org> Stefan, Just a long shot but have you tried disabling IPv6 in the network system preferences? I have heard of situations where a Mac's attempt at using IPv6 is not handled predictably by some routers. Or it may have nothing to do with it. BTW, did your filter faceplate make any difference? Ken Stefan Pietrzak Youngs wrote: > Perhaps someone with more network knowledge than I can shed some light > on the problems I am experiencing. > > Since upgrading to 10.6 none of my ftp clients will upload to any of > the servers I am servicing. I have the same problem on all 3 Macs, all > running 10.6 > > They all report a connection timeout after connecting to the remote > server and starting the download. > > Bizarrely, I can download from each server quite happily. > > Even more bizarrely, the behaviour is the same with a Windows client > running on my iMac's VM machine. > > I get the same problem ever Ethernet or Airport. > > I've tried rebooting the router. > > The fact that it happens in my XP environment as well as in 10.6 would > seem to rule out a problem in the application layer, which is > supported by all 3 vendors claiming their code is OK with 10.6 > > My suspicion is that 10.6 has interfered with something on the router > which affects outbound ftp traffic only (since I can send out email > with attachments) > > Does this additional info help some bright spark come up with a > theory.. and possibly a solution? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk Mon Sep 14 20:11:42 2009 From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:11:42 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Time Machine - Help! Message-ID: Hi Our problem with shutting down seems to be to do with Time machine. Yesterday Back ups going well until 15.24. When we next looked at machine it said at about 17.30 is said last back up 15.24 and it appeared to be backing up. When ever we looked it was still backing up and eventually wanted to go to bed we had problems shutting down and had to press power button. Thus morning I have kept TIme Machine preferences open on desk top so we could keep a check on it. First back had lengthy preparation time - probably because it had not back up properly before shutting down. Then backed up regularly and quickly every hour. Latest back up was 14.56. We went out at 15.40, and when we returned at 17.00 it was running back up and was 'preparing' . This has not changed in the last 3 plus hours. last three entries on system log are: Sep 14 15:54:38 Macintosh /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[670]: Starting standard backup Sep 14 16:42:18 Macintosh kernel[0]: Auth result for: 00:22:75:2a: 46:ed MAC AUTH succeeded Sep 14 17:29:25 Macintosh kernel[0]: Auth result for: 00:22:75:2a: 46:ed MAC AUTH succeeded Does anyone have any idea what is going on? - and what do we do next??? Phyll From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk Mon Sep 14 20:30:09 2009 From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:30:09 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Classic FTP on 10.6 In-Reply-To: <8E447AF8-B871-4386-85C6-FCF2704351AE@gmail.com> References: <8E447AF8-B871-4386-85C6-FCF2704351AE@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks. Michael Woodhouse mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ On 14 Sep 2009, at 18:06, Stefan Pietrzak Youngs wrote: > >> >> >> Subject: Re: [NMUG] FTP failing on 10.6.1 >> >> >> I don't know but try Classic FTP. This was a free download and works >> OK on Leopard. I haven't as yet updated to Snowie. > > > Thanks but doesn't run > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Mon Sep 14 20:43:54 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:43:54 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Time Machine - Help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2831C432-A9A3-4D51-8967-65DC65C807E3@durrant.co.uk> I'm mystified. Check Apple's support forums? Phone Apple Support (if you have AppleCare or within 90 days of purchase.) regards, Paul On 14 Sep 2009, at 20:11, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: > First back had lengthy preparation time - > probably because it had not back up properly before shutting down. > Then backed up regularly and quickly every hour. Latest back up was > 14.56. > We went out at 15.40, and when we returned at 17.00 it was running > back up and was 'preparing' . This has not changed in the last 3 plus > hours. > > last three entries on system log are: > Sep 14 15:54:38 Macintosh /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[670]: > Starting standard backup > Sep 14 16:42:18 Macintosh kernel[0]: Auth result for: 00:22:75:2a: > 46:ed MAC AUTH succeeded > Sep 14 17:29:25 Macintosh kernel[0]: Auth result for: 00:22:75:2a: > 46:ed MAC AUTH succeeded > > Does anyone have any idea what is going on? - and what do we do > next??? From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk Mon Sep 14 21:23:58 2009 From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:23:58 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Time Machine - Help! In-Reply-To: <2831C432-A9A3-4D51-8967-65DC65C807E3@durrant.co.uk> References: <2831C432-A9A3-4D51-8967-65DC65C807E3@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Don't really know where to go from here. I checked Apple's support forums - talks about lengthy preparation time if: 1: recently installed software up date ( 2 weeks ago) 2: use computer without performing back up - not applicable here 3. use of anti-virus software or 3rd party software - not applicable We don't have Applecare and computer is over 90 days old. Only thing different is new external hard drive - set up a week ago and the initial back up took 2 days (131 GB) but most of the time since then it has been running fine (I think) other than those times we had to shut down computer at bed time. Not sure what to do next. Phyll On 14 Sep 2009, at 20:43, Paul Durrant wrote: > I'm mystified. Check Apple's support forums? Phone Apple Support (if > you have AppleCare or within 90 days of purchase.) > > regards, > > Paul > > On 14 Sep 2009, at 20:11, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: > >> First back had lengthy preparation time - >> probably because it had not back up properly before shutting down. >> Then backed up regularly and quickly every hour. Latest back up was >> 14.56. >> We went out at 15.40, and when we returned at 17.00 it was running >> back up and was 'preparing' . This has not changed in the last 3 plus >> hours. >> >> last three entries on system log are: >> Sep 14 15:54:38 Macintosh /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[670]: >> Starting standard backup >> Sep 14 16:42:18 Macintosh kernel[0]: Auth result for: 00:22:75:2a: >> 46:ed MAC AUTH succeeded >> Sep 14 17:29:25 Macintosh kernel[0]: Auth result for: 00:22:75:2a: >> 46:ed MAC AUTH succeeded >> >> Does anyone have any idea what is going on? - and what do we do >> next??? > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From macman at f2s.com Mon Sep 14 21:35:35 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:35:35 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Time Machine - Help! In-Reply-To: References: <2831C432-A9A3-4D51-8967-65DC65C807E3@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Is the external drive formatted as Mac OS Extended (Journaled)? Robbie On 14 Sep 2009, at 21:23, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: Don't really know where to go from here. I checked Apple's support forums - talks about lengthy preparation time if: 1: recently installed software up date ( 2 weeks ago) 2: use computer without performing back up - not applicable here 3. use of anti-virus software or 3rd party software - not applicable We don't have Applecare and computer is over 90 days old. Only thing different is new external hard drive - set up a week ago and the initial back up took 2 days (131 GB) but most of the time since then it has been running fine (I think) other than those times we had to shut down computer at bed time. Not sure what to do next. Phyll On 14 Sep 2009, at 20:43, Paul Durrant wrote: > I'm mystified. Check Apple's support forums? Phone Apple Support (if > you have AppleCare or within 90 days of purchase.) > > regards, > > Paul > > On 14 Sep 2009, at 20:11, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: > >> First back had lengthy preparation time - >> probably because it had not back up properly before shutting down. >> Then backed up regularly and quickly every hour. Latest back up was >> 14.56. >> We went out at 15.40, and when we returned at 17.00 it was running >> back up and was 'preparing' . This has not changed in the last 3 plus >> hours. >> >> last three entries on system log are: >> Sep 14 15:54:38 Macintosh /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[670]: >> Starting standard backup >> Sep 14 16:42:18 Macintosh kernel[0]: Auth result for: 00:22:75:2a: >> 46:ed MAC AUTH succeeded >> Sep 14 17:29:25 Macintosh kernel[0]: Auth result for: 00:22:75:2a: >> 46:ed MAC AUTH succeeded >> >> Does anyone have any idea what is going on? - and what do we do >> next??? > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From brian at clearlight.uk.net Mon Sep 14 21:44:15 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:44:15 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Time Machine - Help! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Phyll I have only skimmed in passing but if you have very large files that are frequently modified then these will be forever backing up on every TM back up edition. There are various that fit this description but one might be an email database. The discussion about such files is around the topic of files to exclude from TM backups. don't know if this helps but it just may. Does the system let you sleep when this occurs? That might be a workaround if so. Can you (save and quit in running apps) and then shut down using held down power button? Can you eject (unmount) designated TM hard disk and then see if you can shut down normally? (Turn off and then on again will remount itlater). all the best Brian Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn said recently: > Don't really know where to go from here. I checked Apple's support > forums - talks about lengthy preparation time if: > 1: recently installed software up date ( 2 weeks ago) > 2: use computer without performing back up - not applicable here > 3. use of anti-virus software or 3rd party software - not applicable > > We don't have Applecare and computer is over 90 days old. > > Only thing different is new external hard drive - set up a week ago > and the initial back up took 2 days (131 GB) but most of the time > since then it has been running fine (I think) other than those times > we had to shut down computer at bed time. > > Not sure what to do next. > > Phyll > > > > > > On 14 Sep 2009, at 20:43, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> I'm mystified. Check Apple's support forums? Phone Apple Support (if >> you have AppleCare or within 90 days of purchase.) >> >> regards, >> >> Paul >> >> On 14 Sep 2009, at 20:11, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: >> >>> First back had lengthy preparation time - >>> probably because it had not back up properly before shutting down. >>> Then backed up regularly and quickly every hour. Latest back up was >>> 14.56. >>> We went out at 15.40, and when we returned at 17.00 it was running >>> back up and was 'preparing' . This has not changed in the last 3 plus >>> hours. >>> >>> last three entries on system log are: >>> Sep 14 15:54:38 Macintosh /System/Library/CoreServices/backupd[670]: >>> Starting standard backup >>> Sep 14 16:42:18 Macintosh kernel[0]: Auth result for: 00:22:75:2a: >>> 46:ed MAC AUTH succeeded >>> Sep 14 17:29:25 Macintosh kernel[0]: Auth result for: 00:22:75:2a: >>> 46:ed MAC AUTH succeeded >>> >>> Does anyone have any idea what is going on? - and what do we do >>> next??? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From munkt0n at gmail.com Mon Sep 14 21:49:52 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:49:52 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] FTP failing on 10.6.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: just tried 'Transmit' on Snow Leopard, works fine. On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Stefan Pietrzak Youngs wrote: > My regular and - to me vital - use of ftp has ceased because upon > installation of 10.6, NONE of my clients (Fetch, FileZilla, Cyberduck, > all latest versions said to be 10.6 OK) will upload to ANY of the > servers I support. > > In all cases I receive a connection timeout when I attempt an upload. > > I am able to connect to each server and am able to download from each > server. > > I have not touched any of the settings used successfully in 10.5 > > Same behaviour on 2 MacBooks, and iMac, and my brother reports same > thing happening on his 10.6 iMac. > > Anybody got any clues? > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- :wq From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk Mon Sep 14 22:36:55 2009 From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:36:55 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Time Machine - Help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0392F57E-4BA9-488F-9715-4F5236F670E0@mendelsohn.me.uk> Thanks for suggestions and help, Brian, Robbie and Paul. We think the problem is solved. Contacted our son in London who did a screen share with us - looked at logs, activity monitors etc. Quit TM by going into Activity Monitor/Processes to quit time machine ( which wasn't quitting any other way). He realised we had our TM hard disc plugged into a hub and he thought this might be what was causing the problem, We then plugged TM hard drive into computer and the hub (which was previously directly into the computer) into the keyboard. Restarted computer, instructed it to 'Back up now' . Preparing took a few minutes and back up was very quick. I hope it is all going to be fine now. Thanks again. Phyll and Ed > Hi Phyll > > I have only skimmed in passing but if you have very large files that > are > frequently modified then these will be forever backing up on every > TM back > up edition. > There are various that fit this description but one might be an email > database. The discussion about such files is around the topic of > files to > exclude from TM backups. > > don't know if this helps but it just may. > > Does the system let you sleep when this occurs? > That might be a workaround if so. > > Can you (save and quit in running apps) and then shut down using > held down > power button? > > Can you eject (unmount) designated TM hard disk and then see if you > can shut > down normally? (Turn off and then on again will remount itlater). > > all the best > Brian > > > From allanmacam at me.com Mon Sep 14 23:33:49 2009 From: allanmacam at me.com (Allan) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:33:49 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Free training Message-ID: <5A8748EF-C798-420C-A9CE-2C5123DB74FC@me.com> I'm not sure whether this has been mentioned before. If it has I apologise for the repeat. (It's well worth repeating anyway.) CreativeTechs are running a series of free training webinars which they see as worldwide classrooms. Each webinar lasts for around one hour, followed by a question and answer session. There is no special software to install and the overall quality is very good, they use GoToWebinar. Some courses last for ten weeks, while the the complete course for Photoshop is for six months! Courses cover from basics through to advanced - The Retouch sessions are magic! Current courses include (There are others in the pipeline.) Free Photoshop Course Free Digital Photography Course Free Lightroom Course Free Flash CS4 Course Free Dreamweaver Course Free Retouch Course Registration is simple and timely reminders are sent out at four and one hours before the event begins. (They have a limit of 1000 attendees for each session so log in early to avoid disappointment. Each seminar is free to download for one week after transmission. There is also an option to purchase a package that allows you download extra stuff but this is not necessary to take advantage of the free webinars. CreativeTechs is a professional Mac support for Seattle-area creative teams. They provide Mac IT support for graphic design firms, advertising agencies, in-house creative departments, photography studios, marketing and PR firms, web design studios, and video houses. I have no connection with CtreativeTechs and I'm not advertising, but I have watched a number of sessions and find them very good. The session leaders really know their subjects in depth, are enthusiastic and there are always things to learn and discover. The atmosphere is relaxed and at no time do you feel that you are listening to a scripted presentation. There's a training FAQ at - http://creativetechs.com/training/faq/ Details of current and upcoming courses at - http://creativetechs.com/training/ Highly recommended. Allan Johns From kelvinyoungs at mac.com Mon Sep 14 23:36:43 2009 From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:36:43 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Free training In-Reply-To: <5A8748EF-C798-420C-A9CE-2C5123DB74FC@me.com> References: <5A8748EF-C798-420C-A9CE-2C5123DB74FC@me.com> Message-ID: Thanks Allan Looks good. Kelvin From tomkershaw at mac.com Tue Sep 15 00:13:39 2009 From: tomkershaw at mac.com (Tom Kershaw) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:13:39 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] MacExpo (London) 2009 Message-ID: <4AAECE23.9020506@mac.com> I'm not intending to go, but has anyone heard whether the Mac Expo / CreativePro expo will be running this year? Tom From tomkershaw at mac.com Tue Sep 15 00:21:34 2009 From: tomkershaw at mac.com (Tom Kershaw) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 00:21:34 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Mac Magazines Message-ID: <4AAECFFE.4010604@mac.com> Semi-related to my last post; does anyone here on NMUG still subscribe to printed mac magazines? I had an apparently free subscription to Mac User until about 3 years ago, but no longer take any printed mac magazines, although I do subscribe to several non-mac publications. Do general readership Macintosh magazines still have a place in the market? Tom From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk Tue Sep 15 08:43:49 2009 From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:43:49 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Free training In-Reply-To: <5A8748EF-C798-420C-A9CE-2C5123DB74FC@me.com> References: <5A8748EF-C798-420C-A9CE-2C5123DB74FC@me.com> Message-ID: I took a look and finished late to bed. I picked up on the digital camera course. I thought that I knew most stuff but this was good. Thanks. I 'll have to do next week as well now! Michael Woodhouse mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ On 14 Sep 2009, at 23:33, Allan wrote: > I'm not sure whether this has been mentioned before. If it has I > apologise for the repeat. (It's well worth repeating anyway.) > > CreativeTechs are running a series of free training webinars which > they see as worldwide classrooms. Each webinar lasts for around one > hour, followed by a question and answer session. There is no special > software to install and the overall quality is very good, they use > GoToWebinar. Some courses last for ten weeks, while the the complete > course for Photoshop is for six months! Courses cover from basics > through to advanced - The Retouch sessions are magic! > > Current courses include (There are others in the pipeline.) > > Free Photoshop Course Free Digital Photography Course Free Lightroom > Course Free Flash CS4 Course Free Dreamweaver Course Free Retouch > Course > > Registration is simple and timely reminders are sent out at four and > one hours before the event begins. (They have a limit of 1000 > attendees for each session so log in early to avoid disappointment. > Each seminar is free to download for one week after transmission. > There is also an option to purchase a package that allows you download > extra stuff but this is not necessary to take advantage of the free > webinars. > > CreativeTechs is a professional Mac support for Seattle-area creative > teams. They provide Mac IT support for graphic design firms, > advertising agencies, in-house creative departments, photography > studios, marketing and PR firms, web design studios, and video houses. > > I have no connection with CtreativeTechs and I'm not advertising, but > I have watched a number of sessions and find them very good. The > session leaders really know their subjects in depth, are enthusiastic > and there are always things to learn and discover. The atmosphere is > relaxed and at no time do you feel that you are listening to a > scripted presentation. > > There's a training FAQ at - http://creativetechs.com/training/faq/ > > Details of current and upcoming courses at - http://creativetechs.com/training/ > > Highly recommended. > > Allan Johns > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Tue Sep 15 12:14:53 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 12:14:53 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Mac Magazines In-Reply-To: <4AAECFFE.4010604@mac.com> References: <4AAECFFE.4010604@mac.com> Message-ID: <07563D8F-D92F-445E-B59E-984E1DC30EA6@simonroyal.co.uk> Tom I used to subscribe to both MacFormat and MacUser, the latter being the better. MacFormat was monthly and MacUser was fortnightly. However, I found that most of the stories and news I was reading I had already read online days or even weeks before hand and for free. The tutorials were good, but very few of them applied to me or the apps I was using and a lot of the guides were more aimed at new users. They stopped doing cover discs some time ago, which I missed and was another nail in the coffin. About a year ago I felt their cost wasn't warranted for what I was getting out of them, so I stopped subscribing. Simon On 15 Sep 2009, at 00:21, Tom Kershaw wrote: > Semi-related to my last post; does anyone here on NMUG still subscribe > to printed mac magazines? I had an apparently free subscription to Mac > User until > about 3 years ago, but no longer take any printed mac magazines, > although I do subscribe to several non-mac publications. Do general > readership Macintosh magazines still have a place in the market? > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From karl.hortt at btinternet.com Tue Sep 15 12:26:37 2009 From: karl.hortt at btinternet.com (Karl hortt) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 12:26:37 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Iphone or TI Message-ID: Hi Simon, what did you decide about mobiles in the end ? did you go for an iphone or the goggle phone (or still thinking it through ) I looked at the google phone this morning in vodaphone, was very impressed ! am about to see how it integrates with apple software regards Karl From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Tue Sep 15 12:32:39 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 12:32:39 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Iphone or TI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Karl I still haven't really decided. I have a 1Ghz TiBook coming, which needs a bit of work. I will use a few parts from my current 867Mhz one. That will give me a 13% faster machine so keep me going for a bit longer. On the phone front, the Google phone is very impressive and has more features than the iPhone, but then so does my current Nokia handset. I am interested in how the Google phone integrates with Apple software. iSync for contacts and calendar entries is make or break for me in a phone. I am drawn to an iPhone and I think if I get anything else I will still be looking longingly at one. So I have decided iPhone first, new laptop later. Simon On 15 Sep 2009, at 12:26, Karl hortt wrote: > > Hi Simon, > > > what did you decide about mobiles in the end ? > > did you go for an iphone or the goggle phone (or still thinking it > through ) > > I looked at the google phone this morning in vodaphone, was very > impressed ! > > am about to see how it integrates with apple software > > regards > > Karl > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From mghc.repps at virgin.net Tue Sep 15 14:38:34 2009 From: mghc.repps at virgin.net (Michael Crook) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:38:34 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Mac Magazines In-Reply-To: <07563D8F-D92F-445E-B59E-984E1DC30EA6@simonroyal.co.uk> References: <4AAECFFE.4010604@mac.com> <07563D8F-D92F-445E-B59E-984E1DC30EA6@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: Simon Not quite true! MacFormat has always included a cover disc. - Michael. 15.09.09. On 15 Sep 2009, at 12:14, Simon Royal wrote: > Tom > > I used to subscribe to both MacFormat and MacUser, the latter being > the better. MacFormat was monthly and MacUser was fortnightly. > > However, I found that most of the stories and news I was reading I had > already read online days or even weeks before hand and for free. The > tutorials were good, but very few of them applied to me or the apps I > was using and a lot of the guides were more aimed at new users. > > They stopped doing cover discs some time ago, which I missed and was > another nail in the coffin. About a year ago I felt their cost wasn't > warranted for what I was getting out of them, so I stopped > subscribing. > > Simon From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Tue Sep 15 14:44:51 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:44:51 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Mac Magazines In-Reply-To: References: <4AAECFFE.4010604@mac.com> <07563D8F-D92F-445E-B59E-984E1DC30EA6@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: <7093B534-C4C4-4718-BD86-FDB699FE37D9@simonroyal.co.uk> Michael At one time both magazines did, I always preferred MacUser, purely because it was fortnightly and I am impatient. Simon On 15 Sep 2009, at 14:38, Michael Crook wrote: > Simon > > Not quite true! MacFormat has always included a cover disc. > > - Michael. > 15.09.09. > > On 15 Sep 2009, at 12:14, Simon Royal wrote: > >> Tom >> >> I used to subscribe to both MacFormat and MacUser, the latter being >> the better. MacFormat was monthly and MacUser was fortnightly. >> >> However, I found that most of the stories and news I was reading I >> had >> already read online days or even weeks before hand and for free. The >> tutorials were good, but very few of them applied to me or the apps I >> was using and a lot of the guides were more aimed at new users. >> >> They stopped doing cover discs some time ago, which I missed and was >> another nail in the coffin. About a year ago I felt their cost wasn't >> warranted for what I was getting out of them, so I stopped >> subscribing. >> >> Simon > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From alanbarber at mac.com Tue Sep 15 15:31:47 2009 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:31:47 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Michael Crook Message-ID: <7CB16325-B401-4654-9BEF-1E1F2644FA7A@mac.com> Is that the Michael Crook who has been poorly. Welcome Back Assume you are fit and well again Regards Alan From richardivers at mac.com Tue Sep 15 15:40:32 2009 From: richardivers at mac.com (Richard Ivers) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:40:32 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Michael Crook Message-ID: <281DE150-5F54-4988-BA20-3FC294F58C92@mac.com> Hope all is fine and that u are on the mend. Maybe see u in Tescos some Saturday morning soon. Regards Richard From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com Tue Sep 15 17:30:47 2009 From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (Stefan Pietrzak Youngs) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:30:47 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] FTP failing on 10.6.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > Subject: Re: [NMUG] FTP failing on 10.6.1 > To: Norwich Mac User Group list > > > just tried 'Transmit' on Snow Leopard, works fine. I took one of my Macs to another location. Everything is fine with ftp from this machine. Therefore the problem must be related to the router or my ISP. Somehow 10.6 (or just something random that coincided) has screwed the router or ISP up. So I just replaced the router and everything is now back to normal. So it can't have been the ISP. Ergo: it was the router wot dun it. Be nice to figure this out. I know ftp uses ports 20 and 21, 21 for inbound I think. Somehow 21 was not allowing inbound, which meant as soon as the server acknowledged the receipt of a file I was trying to upload, it waited for the ACK to arrive from my end, which of course ever appeared. because the router blocked the inbound from the server. PS I don't want any real expert to assume from the above I know what I am talking about here.. I am - if you will recall - Manuel and I am from Barcelona. So if anyone there really knows what's what, do share! From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Tue Sep 15 17:37:46 2009 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:37:46 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Mac Magazines Message-ID: Re the recent comments on MacFormat etc, I am looking at an advert for a Quadra 950, 66Mhz, 230Mb hard drive, 8Mb ram Price ?2395. anyone interested? Oh I forgot the date is May 1994! MacFormat came with a floppy disk in those days. Kn Arnoldi From paul at durrant.co.uk Tue Sep 15 18:47:12 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:47:12 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Mac Magazines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39A8F922-34C1-4BED-A09A-443BEDBFAB22@durrant.co.uk> I have the December 1984 Personal Computer World And then you could get the Macintosh (8MHz, 128KB, 9" screen, 400K floppy) for just ?1953.85! But the big news was the ICL OPD - the combined computer and telephone, based on the Sinclair QL, ... and the IBM PC AT - the base model (256KB, 1.2MB floppy) coming in at ?2951 with PC-DOS 3. Paul On 15 Sep 2009, at 17:37, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > Re the recent comments on MacFormat etc, > > I am looking at an advert for a Quadra 950, 66Mhz, 230Mb hard drive, > 8Mb ram Price ?2395. anyone interested? > > Oh I forgot the date is May 1994! From macman at f2s.com Tue Sep 15 18:56:45 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:56:45 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] FTP failing on 10.6.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Que? Robbie On 15 Sep 2009, at 17:30, Stefan Pietrzak Youngs wrote: I am from Barcelona. From ken.hamer at stackyard.org Tue Sep 15 23:43:32 2009 From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 23:43:32 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] FTP failing on 10.6.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AB01894.5010900@stackyard.org> Who knows? Your explanation sounds fabulous... except it doesn't explain why everything worked on 10.5. But it's a great explanation anyway. What are make and model of both routers? Did you look for firmware updates for the mischievous router? Suspect it's probably some sort of NAT issue with FTP otherwise there wouldn't be the interaction with machine/OS. Have a look at http://tinyurl.com/b95s which will tell you more than you will want to know. Ken Stefan Pietrzak Youngs wrote: > >> Subject: Re: [NMUG] FTP failing on 10.6.1 >> To: Norwich Mac User Group list >> >> >> just tried 'Transmit' on Snow Leopard, works fine. >> > > > I took one of my Macs to another location. Everything is fine with ftp > from this machine. Therefore the problem must be related to the router > or my ISP. Somehow 10.6 (or just something random that coincided) has > screwed the router or ISP up. > > So I just replaced the router and everything is now back to normal. So > it can't have been the ISP. > > Ergo: it was the router wot dun it. > > Be nice to figure this out. I know ftp uses ports 20 and 21, 21 for > inbound I think. Somehow 21 was not allowing inbound, which meant as > soon as the server acknowledged the receipt of a file I was trying to > upload, it waited for the ACK to arrive from my end, which of course > ever appeared. because the router blocked the inbound from the server. > > PS I don't want any real expert to assume from the above I know what I > am talking about here.. I am - if you will recall - Manuel and I am > from Barcelona. > > So if anyone there really knows what's what, do share! > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk Wed Sep 16 08:08:38 2009 From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 08:08:38 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] FTP failing on 10.6.1 In-Reply-To: <4AB01894.5010900@stackyard.org> References: <4AB01894.5010900@stackyard.org> Message-ID: Stefan, Have you tried the Apple Discussions? I seem to recall some FTP issues discussed there? Steven On 15 Sep 2009, at 23:43, Ken Hamer wrote: > Who knows? Your explanation sounds fabulous... except it doesn't > explain why everything worked on 10.5. But it's a great explanation > anyway. What are make and model of both routers? Did you look for > firmware updates for the mischievous router? Suspect it's probably > some > sort of NAT issue with FTP otherwise there wouldn't be the interaction > with machine/OS. Have a look at http://tinyurl.com/b95s which will > tell > you more than you will want to know. > > Ken > > Stefan Pietrzak Youngs wrote: >> >>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] FTP failing on 10.6.1 >>> To: Norwich Mac User Group list >>> >>> >>> just tried 'Transmit' on Snow Leopard, works fine. >>> >> >> >> I took one of my Macs to another location. Everything is fine with >> ftp >> from this machine. Therefore the problem must be related to the >> router >> or my ISP. Somehow 10.6 (or just something random that coincided) has >> screwed the router or ISP up. >> >> So I just replaced the router and everything is now back to normal. >> So >> it can't have been the ISP. >> >> Ergo: it was the router wot dun it. >> >> Be nice to figure this out. I know ftp uses ports 20 and 21, 21 for >> inbound I think. Somehow 21 was not allowing inbound, which meant as >> soon as the server acknowledged the receipt of a file I was trying to >> upload, it waited for the ACK to arrive from my end, which of course >> ever appeared. because the router blocked the inbound from the >> server. >> >> PS I don't want any real expert to assume from the above I know >> what I >> am talking about here.. I am - if you will recall - Manuel and I am >> from Barcelona. >> >> So if anyone there really knows what's what, do share! >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Wed Sep 16 10:11:08 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:11:08 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Free IRC Client Message-ID: Hi Does anyone know of a good free IRC client? Back in my Windows days I used mIRC, but it isn't available on the Mac. I have tried Ircle and now trying Snak, but both are trials. Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk Wed Sep 16 10:30:17 2009 From: david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk (David Reynolds) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:30:17 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Free IRC Client In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 16 Sep 2009, at 10:11, Simon Royal wrote: > Does anyone know of a good free IRC client? Back in my Windows days I > used mIRC, but it isn't available on the Mac. Also, mIRC isn't actually free... > I have tried Ircle and now trying Snak, but both are trials. Colloquy is the best free client that I know of. I use Linkinus which isn't free, but I prefer the way it works. -- David Reynolds david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk From munkt0n at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 10:37:49 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 10:37:49 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Free IRC Client In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: chatzilla, it's a firefox plugin On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi > > Does anyone know of a good free IRC client? Back in my Windows days I > used mIRC, but it isn't available on the Mac. > > I have tried Ircle and now trying Snak, but both are trials. > > Simon Royal > --- > Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on > 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, > SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- :wq From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk Wed Sep 16 11:41:57 2009 From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:41:57 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Time to part with an old friend! Message-ID: Guys It's taken me 18 months plus but I've now at last sorted my stuff onto my new machine. So I now have an old friend and associated bits and pieces to part with. What's the best way to do this? The set up is: 400 MHZ G3 Imac in graphite 128mb ram, 13GB hard drive complete with stand Qfire CD writer Agfa snap scan Epson stylus photo 870 printer Macally hub Plus a heap of software to go with it I even have some of the boxes as well, so gives an idea of the treatment I have given the system! I would really like to have it go as a single item to a good home! Thoughts please. Thanks. Michael Woodhouse mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com Wed Sep 16 12:56:33 2009 From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (Stefan Pietrzak Youngs) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:56:33 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Old friends parting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01D460A6-565D-42C0-8E96-D4C0156B511B@gmail.com> On 16 Sep 2009, at 12:00, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote: > So I now have an old friend and associated bits and pieces to part > with. > > What's the best way to do this? Que? Senor Royale I tink. Manuel From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Wed Sep 16 12:59:02 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 12:59:02 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Old friends parting In-Reply-To: <01D460A6-565D-42C0-8E96-D4C0156B511B@gmail.com> References: <01D460A6-565D-42C0-8E96-D4C0156B511B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6CD77C2A-81BE-4221-9AE3-18DBEFEA773C@simonroyal.co.uk> Stefan I was itching to ask what Michael had in mind. It has been a while since one of those beauties have been in my house. It seems my reputation goes before me. Simon On 16 Sep 2009, at 12:56, Stefan Pietrzak Youngs wrote: > > On 16 Sep 2009, at 12:00, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote: > >> So I now have an old friend and associated bits and pieces to part >> with. >> >> What's the best way to do this? > > > Que? Senor Royale I tink. > > Manuel > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Wed Sep 16 17:26:34 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:26:34 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] PowerBook 2400 Wanted Message-ID: <3CE6DF38-ED38-41C2-8B75-CD267E2DB11C@simonroyal.co.uk> Hi. I'm looking for a small older PowerBook. I really would like to get my hands on a PowerBook 2400. I want it for running Mac OS 8.6 or 9.1 at most and hopefully with a wireless card. I had a 1400cs about a year ago but it was only a 117Mhz model and the RAM limit on them is quite low at 64MB and uses specific RAM modules for that machine, whereas the 2400 is 180Mhz (240Mhz in Japan) and from what I can see uses a standard 144pin SO- DIMM. I know it is a long shot, but does anyone have one of these laying around begging for someone to make use of it? Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk Wed Sep 16 21:50:37 2009 From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:50:37 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Opening files Message-ID: Just had a file sent to me an .XLW. Anyone know what this is and how to open? Michael Woodhouse mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ From sc at davidviner.com Wed Sep 16 21:58:50 2009 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:58:50 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Opening files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AB1518A.2070008@davidviner.com> Google will usually find this sort of info - in this case it's an Excel Workspace - see: http://filext.com/file-extension/XLW This site is often useful too: http://www.wotsit.org/ though not in this case... David Michael Woodhouse wrote: > Just had a file sent to me an .XLW. Anyone know what this is and how > to open? > > Michael Woodhouse > mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk > http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From macman at f2s.com Wed Sep 16 22:08:02 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 22:08:02 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Opening files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02C5D001-F6F6-4318-BE01-940FC51BAEA9@f2s.com> http://www.fileinfo.com/extension/xlw Robbie On 16 Sep 2009, at 21:50, Michael Woodhouse wrote: Just had a file sent to me an .XLW. Anyone know what this is and how to open? Michael Woodhouse mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk Wed Sep 16 23:39:50 2009 From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:39:50 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Opening files In-Reply-To: <4AB1518A.2070008@davidviner.com> References: <4AB1518A.2070008@davidviner.com> Message-ID: Thanks guys I took a look and the advice but the download was in PC not Mac format. Where from here? Michael Woodhouse mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ On 16 Sep 2009, at 21:58, David Viner wrote: > Google will usually find this sort of info - in this case it's an > Excel > Workspace - see: > http://filext.com/file-extension/XLW > > This site is often useful too: > http://www.wotsit.org/ > though not in this case... > > David > > Michael Woodhouse wrote: >> Just had a file sent to me an .XLW. Anyone know what this is and how >> to open? >> >> Michael Woodhouse >> mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk >> http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From kelvinyoungs at mac.com Wed Sep 16 23:43:57 2009 From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:43:57 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Opening files In-Reply-To: References: <4AB1518A.2070008@davidviner.com> Message-ID: <41808BF8-FE7B-40B7-9945-46F51EBFB844@mac.com> Well, if it is an excel file a mac will read that even from a peeeceee. You need the micro-daft for mac programme though? Kelvin On 16 Sep 2009, at 23:39, Michael Woodhouse wrote: > Thanks guys I took a look and the advice but the download was in PC > not Mac format. > > Where from here? From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk Thu Sep 17 00:12:09 2009 From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 00:12:09 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Opening files In-Reply-To: <41808BF8-FE7B-40B7-9945-46F51EBFB844@mac.com> References: <4AB1518A.2070008@davidviner.com> <41808BF8-FE7B-40B7-9945-46F51EBFB844@mac.com> Message-ID: <4D95F380-A0CF-4D09-A48F-F620D7F4138A@freeflightsupplies.co.uk> Kelvin I've attached the file. I'm running the latest Mac version of Excel and I can't get at it! -------------- next part -------------- Michael Woodhouse mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ On 16 Sep 2009, at 23:43, Kelvin Youngs wrote: > Well, if it is an excel file a mac will read that even from a > peeeceee. > You need the micro-daft for mac programme though? > Kelvin > > On 16 Sep 2009, at 23:39, Michael Woodhouse wrote: > >> Thanks guys I took a look and the advice but the download was in PC >> not Mac format. >> >> Where from here? > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From kelvinyoungs at mac.com Thu Sep 17 00:16:01 2009 From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 00:16:01 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Opening files In-Reply-To: <4D95F380-A0CF-4D09-A48F-F620D7F4138A@freeflightsupplies.co.uk> References: <4AB1518A.2070008@davidviner.com> <41808BF8-FE7B-40B7-9945-46F51EBFB844@mac.com> <4D95F380-A0CF-4D09-A48F-F620D7F4138A@freeflightsupplies.co.uk> Message-ID: <8CD37209-B9C2-468F-A467-A7D8E79DD2C4@mac.com> You cant sent attachments on this forum Mike - send it to me - if it is a virus you are dead! kelvinyoungs at mac.com On 17 Sep 2009, at 00:12, Michael Woodhouse wrote: > Kelvin > > I've attached the file. I'm running the latest Mac version of Excel > and I can't get at it! > > Micha From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Thu Sep 17 11:25:36 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:25:36 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Online Photo Album... Help Message-ID: Hi. I use Flickr, but I don't really like it. It will only let you date a picture after the date your Flickr account was created. I have pictures I took years ago, but can only go back as far as December 2008 because thats when my Flickr account was created. So I have been looking around at others and would like your help. I need an online photo album that will allow me to sort by date and that date needs to be before I created the online album/account. That album then needs to be accessible to the public without them having to sign up to an account with them, so they can browse my pictures. Also, I have just downloaded all the pics from Flickr and it has given a create/modify date of today. It's one of the drawbacks of FlickrEdit. How can I edit these dates back to what they should be? Any help appreciated. Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Follow me on Twitter at http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From munkt0n at gmail.com Thu Sep 17 11:54:07 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:54:07 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Online Photo Album... Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > It will only let you date a picture after the date your Flickr account was created. nonsense, I just re-dated a photo to 1812! you have to use the 'Organize' feature. click on 'Organize' - select your photo, click edit dates, enter a date, there is no lower limit to the date you can set. You cannot change the 'uploaded' date to before your flickr account creation date. On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi. > > I use Flickr, but I don't really like it. It will only let you date a > picture after the date your Flickr account was created. I have > pictures I took years ago, but can only go back as far as December > 2008 because thats when my Flickr account was created. So I have been > looking around at others and would like your help. > > I need an online photo album that will allow me to sort by date and > that date needs to be before I created the online album/account. That > album then needs to be accessible to the public without them having to > sign up to an account with them, so they can browse my pictures. > > Also, I have just downloaded all the pics from Flickr and it has given > a create/modify date of today. It's one of the drawbacks of > FlickrEdit. How can I edit these dates back to what they should be? > > Any help appreciated. > > Simon Royal > --- > Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Follow me on Twitter > at http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple > PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- :wq From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Thu Sep 17 12:26:05 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:26:05 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Online Photo Album... Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6589D3FA-2FA8-4536-A6AA-4A14B052047F@simonroyal.co.uk> Scott On looking closer, I was trying to input the date in the wrong format. Thanks. I have just sorted them out. That saved me a lot of hard work. Is there anyway of ordering the photos in a set by date taken and not by date uploaded? I can't find an option anywhere. Simon On 17 Sep 2009, at 11:54, Scott Matthews wrote: >> It will only let you date a picture after the date your Flickr >> account was created. > > nonsense, I just re-dated a photo to 1812! you have to use the > 'Organize' feature. click on 'Organize' - select your photo, click > edit dates, enter a date, there is no lower limit to the date you can > set. You cannot change the 'uploaded' date to before your flickr > account creation date. > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Simon Royal > wrote: >> Hi. >> >> I use Flickr, but I don't really like it. It will only let you date a >> picture after the date your Flickr account was created. I have >> pictures I took years ago, but can only go back as far as December >> 2008 because thats when my Flickr account was created. So I have been >> looking around at others and would like your help. >> >> I need an online photo album that will allow me to sort by date and >> that date needs to be before I created the online album/account. That >> album then needs to be accessible to the public without them having >> to >> sign up to an account with them, so they can browse my pictures. >> >> Also, I have just downloaded all the pics from Flickr and it has >> given >> a create/modify date of today. It's one of the drawbacks of >> FlickrEdit. How can I edit these dates back to what they should be? >> >> Any help appreciated. >> >> Simon Royal >> --- >> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Follow me on >> Twitter >> at http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. >> (Apple >> PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > > > -- > :wq > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Follow me on Twitter at http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net Thu Sep 17 12:44:53 2009 From: Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net (Jeremy Webb) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:44:53 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Online Photo Album... Help In-Reply-To: <6589D3FA-2FA8-4536-A6AA-4A14B052047F@simonroyal.co.uk> References: <6589D3FA-2FA8-4536-A6AA-4A14B052047F@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Simon You can go to You > your archives to see "date taken" and "date uploaded" but I don't think you can re-order the Photostream. Jeremy Webb Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net http://www.flickr.com/photos/jezzajoy/ On 17 Sep 2009, at 12:26, Simon Royal wrote: > Scott > > On looking closer, I was trying to input the date in the wrong format. > Thanks. I have just sorted them out. > > That saved me a lot of hard work. > > Is there anyway of ordering the photos in a set by date taken and not > by date uploaded? I can't find an option anywhere. > > Simon > > On 17 Sep 2009, at 11:54, Scott Matthews wrote: > >>> It will only let you date a picture after the date your Flickr >>> account was created. >> >> nonsense, I just re-dated a photo to 1812! you have to use the >> 'Organize' feature. click on 'Organize' - select your photo, click >> edit dates, enter a date, there is no lower limit to the date you can >> set. You cannot change the 'uploaded' date to before your flickr >> account creation date. >> >> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Simon Royal >> wrote: >>> Hi. >>> >>> I use Flickr, but I don't really like it. It will only let you >>> date a >>> picture after the date your Flickr account was created. I have >>> pictures I took years ago, but can only go back as far as December >>> 2008 because thats when my Flickr account was created. So I have >>> been >>> looking around at others and would like your help. >>> >>> I need an online photo album that will allow me to sort by date and >>> that date needs to be before I created the online album/account. >>> That >>> album then needs to be accessible to the public without them having >>> to >>> sign up to an account with them, so they can browse my pictures. >>> >>> Also, I have just downloaded all the pics from Flickr and it has >>> given >>> a create/modify date of today. It's one of the drawbacks of >>> FlickrEdit. How can I edit these dates back to what they should be? >>> >>> Any help appreciated. >>> >>> Simon Royal >>> --- >>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Follow me on >>> Twitter >>> at http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. >>> (Apple >>> PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ >>> listinfo/nmug >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> :wq >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ >> listinfo/nmug >> > > Simon Royal > --- > Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Follow me on Twitter > at http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple > PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Thu Sep 17 12:45:55 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:45:55 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Online Photo Album... Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <06759D87-345C-403F-9C69-779FA79D3C57@simonroyal.co.uk> Scott Sorted it. It seems you can't put your Photostream into date taken order, but you can arrange sets into date taken order. Bizarre. It seems to working if you go into the set. There is an Arrange By drop down menu which will arrange them to what ever you want. http://www.flickr.com/photos/meandmymacs/sets/72157611371180150/ Simon On 17 Sep 2009, at 11:54, Scott Matthews wrote: >> It will only let you date a picture after the date your Flickr >> account was created. > > nonsense, I just re-dated a photo to 1812! you have to use the > 'Organize' feature. click on 'Organize' - select your photo, click > edit dates, enter a date, there is no lower limit to the date you can > set. You cannot change the 'uploaded' date to before your flickr > account creation date. > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Simon Royal > wrote: >> Hi. >> >> I use Flickr, but I don't really like it. It will only let you date a >> picture after the date your Flickr account was created. I have >> pictures I took years ago, but can only go back as far as December >> 2008 because thats when my Flickr account was created. So I have been >> looking around at others and would like your help. >> >> I need an online photo album that will allow me to sort by date and >> that date needs to be before I created the online album/account. That >> album then needs to be accessible to the public without them having >> to >> sign up to an account with them, so they can browse my pictures. >> >> Also, I have just downloaded all the pics from Flickr and it has >> given >> a create/modify date of today. It's one of the drawbacks of >> FlickrEdit. How can I edit these dates back to what they should be? >> >> Any help appreciated. >> >> Simon Royal >> --- >> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Follow me on >> Twitter >> at http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. >> (Apple >> PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > > > -- > :wq > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Follow me on Twitter at http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From ken.hamer at stackyard.org Thu Sep 17 13:20:52 2009 From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:20:52 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Opening files In-Reply-To: References: <4AB1518A.2070008@davidviner.com> Message-ID: <4AB229A4.9010300@stackyard.org> Numbers in iWork will open an Excel file and failing that, download OpenOffice (http://www.openoffice.org/) which can both open and save Microsoft Office file formats. You don't need Microsoft Office. I do wish people wouldn't send Office format files just assuming that everyone will have something which reads them. Even PC users don't always have Office. Ken Michael Woodhouse wrote: > Thanks guys I took a look and the advice but the download was in PC > not Mac format. > > Where from here? > > Michael Woodhouse > mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk > http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ > > > > > On 16 Sep 2009, at 21:58, David Viner wrote: > > >> Google will usually find this sort of info - in this case it's an >> Excel >> Workspace - see: >> http://filext.com/file-extension/XLW >> >> This site is often useful too: >> http://www.wotsit.org/ >> though not in this case... >> >> David >> >> Michael Woodhouse wrote: >> >>> Just had a file sent to me an .XLW. Anyone know what this is and how >>> to open? >>> >>> Michael Woodhouse >>> mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk >>> http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Thu Sep 17 13:35:21 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:35:21 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Opening files In-Reply-To: <4AB229A4.9010300@stackyard.org> References: <4AB1518A.2070008@davidviner.com> <4AB229A4.9010300@stackyard.org> Message-ID: <55C541F3-19FE-4478-9569-A68FF479EB57@simonroyal.co.uk> Ken I couldn't agree more. I don't have MS Office or iWork. I use OpenOffice. If I want a quick word processor I use Bean or AbiWord. And they all save to MS office compatible files. Simon On 17 Sep 2009, at 13:20, Ken Hamer wrote: > Numbers in iWork will open an Excel file and failing that, download > OpenOffice (http://www.openoffice.org/) which can both open and save > Microsoft Office file formats. You don't need Microsoft Office. I do > wish people wouldn't send Office format files just assuming that > everyone will have something which reads them. Even PC users don't > always have Office. > > Ken > > > Michael Woodhouse wrote: >> Thanks guys I took a look and the advice but the download was in PC >> not Mac format. >> >> Where from here? >> >> Michael Woodhouse >> mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk >> http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ >> >> >> >> >> On 16 Sep 2009, at 21:58, David Viner wrote: >> >> >>> Google will usually find this sort of info - in this case it's an >>> Excel >>> Workspace - see: >>> http://filext.com/file-extension/XLW >>> >>> This site is often useful too: >>> http://www.wotsit.org/ >>> though not in this case... >>> >>> David >>> >>> Michael Woodhouse wrote: >>> >>>> Just had a file sent to me an .XLW. Anyone know what this is and >>>> how >>>> to open? >>>> >>>> Michael Woodhouse >>>> mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk >>>> http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Follow me on Twitter at http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From ricnev at mac.com Thu Sep 17 13:52:09 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:52:09 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Opening files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <38C06315-BFF2-4140-98B6-1544A7CF36E2@mac.com> I have just downloaded a sample .XLW file and can confirm that the Mac version of OpenOffice 3.1.1 opens it in its standard Spreadsheet application. You can download OpenOffice from http://www.openoffice.org/ On 16 Sep 2009, at 21:50, Michael Woodhouse wrote: > Just had a file sent to me an .XLW. Anyone know what this is and how > to open? > Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk Thu Sep 17 14:05:22 2009 From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:05:22 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Opening files In-Reply-To: <4AB229A4.9010300@stackyard.org> References: <4AB1518A.2070008@davidviner.com> <4AB229A4.9010300@stackyard.org> Message-ID: Ken Thanks. I've downloaded open office and opened the file and it is full of rubbish. So return to sender! Michael Woodhouse mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ On 17 Sep 2009, at 13:20, Ken Hamer wrote: > Numbers in iWork will open an Excel file and failing that, download > OpenOffice (http://www.openoffice.org/) which can both open and save > Microsoft Office file formats. You don't need Microsoft Office. I do > wish people wouldn't send Office format files just assuming that > everyone will have something which reads them. Even PC users don't > always have Office. > > Ken > > > Michael Woodhouse wrote: >> Thanks guys I took a look and the advice but the download was in PC >> not Mac format. >> >> Where from here? >> >> Michael Woodhouse >> mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk >> http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ >> >> >> >> >> On 16 Sep 2009, at 21:58, David Viner wrote: >> >> >>> Google will usually find this sort of info - in this case it's an >>> Excel >>> Workspace - see: >>> http://filext.com/file-extension/XLW >>> >>> This site is often useful too: >>> http://www.wotsit.org/ >>> though not in this case... >>> >>> David >>> >>> Michael Woodhouse wrote: >>> >>>> Just had a file sent to me an .XLW. Anyone know what this is and >>>> how >>>> to open? >>>> >>>> Michael Woodhouse >>>> mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk >>>> http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ken.hamer at stackyard.org Thu Sep 17 14:57:47 2009 From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:57:47 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Opening files In-Reply-To: References: <4AB1518A.2070008@davidviner.com> <4AB229A4.9010300@stackyard.org> Message-ID: <4AB2405B.1070504@stackyard.org> No, there's no point in reading rubbish. There's too much of it in our lives already. Michael Woodhouse wrote: > Ken > > Thanks. I've downloaded open office and opened the file and it is full > of rubbish. So return to sender! > > Michael Woodhouse > mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk > http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ > > > > > On 17 Sep 2009, at 13:20, Ken Hamer wrote: > > >> Numbers in iWork will open an Excel file and failing that, download >> OpenOffice (http://www.openoffice.org/) which can both open and save >> Microsoft Office file formats. You don't need Microsoft Office. I do >> wish people wouldn't send Office format files just assuming that >> everyone will have something which reads them. Even PC users don't >> always have Office. >> >> Ken >> >> >> Michael Woodhouse wrote: >> >>> Thanks guys I took a look and the advice but the download was in PC >>> not Mac format. >>> >>> Where from here? >>> >>> Michael Woodhouse >>> mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk >>> http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 16 Sep 2009, at 21:58, David Viner wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Google will usually find this sort of info - in this case it's an >>>> Excel >>>> Workspace - see: >>>> http://filext.com/file-extension/XLW >>>> >>>> This site is often useful too: >>>> http://www.wotsit.org/ >>>> though not in this case... >>>> >>>> David >>>> >>>> Michael Woodhouse wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Just had a file sent to me an .XLW. Anyone know what this is and >>>>> how >>>>> to open? >>>>> >>>>> Michael Woodhouse >>>>> mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk >>>>> http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk Thu Sep 17 15:09:03 2009 From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:09:03 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Opening files In-Reply-To: <4AB2405B.1070504@stackyard.org> References: <4AB1518A.2070008@davidviner.com> <4AB229A4.9010300@stackyard.org> <4AB2405B.1070504@stackyard.org> Message-ID: <45C1F9AD-7374-4BE4-9E68-48AF4EA17627@freeflightsupplies.co.uk> The problem is the sender has a new system and he's a strugglin' with it. So The intended content is God knows where! I refer to life as a wheelbarrow and guess what's in mine! Michael Woodhouse mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ On 17 Sep 2009, at 14:57, Ken Hamer wrote: > No, there's no point in reading rubbish. There's too much of it in > our > lives already. > > Michael Woodhouse wrote: >> Ken >> >> Thanks. I've downloaded open office and opened the file and it is >> full >> of rubbish. So return to sender! >> >> Michael Woodhouse >> mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk >> http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ >> >> >> >> >> On 17 Sep 2009, at 13:20, Ken Hamer wrote: >> >> >>> Numbers in iWork will open an Excel file and failing that, download >>> OpenOffice (http://www.openoffice.org/) which can both open and save >>> Microsoft Office file formats. You don't need Microsoft Office. >>> I do >>> wish people wouldn't send Office format files just assuming that >>> everyone will have something which reads them. Even PC users don't >>> always have Office. >>> >>> Ken >>> >>> >>> Michael Woodhouse wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks guys I took a look and the advice but the download was in PC >>>> not Mac format. >>>> >>>> Where from here? >>>> >>>> Michael Woodhouse >>>> mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk >>>> http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 16 Sep 2009, at 21:58, David Viner wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Google will usually find this sort of info - in this case it's an >>>>> Excel >>>>> Workspace - see: >>>>> http://filext.com/file-extension/XLW >>>>> >>>>> This site is often useful too: >>>>> http://www.wotsit.org/ >>>>> though not in this case... >>>>> >>>>> David >>>>> >>>>> Michael Woodhouse wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Just had a file sent to me an .XLW. Anyone know what this is and >>>>>> how >>>>>> to open? >>>>>> >>>>>> Michael Woodhouse >>>>>> mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk >>>>>> http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>>>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk Thu Sep 17 17:04:06 2009 From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:04:06 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Toolbar Message-ID: <21C257E0-D5AF-484A-8F46-3A9A0ADFB5E8@themagic.me.uk> Every time I open Safari I see a panel in the centre of the screen headed "CT Loader", then "Toolbar has not been tested on this version. Toolbar bundle will not be loaded. (No quote marks) I want to get rid of this (even if I do not get the CT Toolbar, whatever it is). At the last meeting it was suggested I looked for something relevant but could find nothing except to do with Google toolbar which I deleted. Any ideas to remove this annoying thing, please? Anthony From penguin.999 at virgin.net Thu Sep 17 17:11:19 2009 From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:11:19 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Toolbar In-Reply-To: <21C257E0-D5AF-484A-8F46-3A9A0ADFB5E8@themagic.me.uk> References: <21C257E0-D5AF-484A-8F46-3A9A0ADFB5E8@themagic.me.uk> Message-ID: <54AE2A42-6024-42FE-ACB2-B2DED4FF6328@virgin.net> On Sep 17, 2009, at 17:04, Anthony Brahams wrote: > I want to get rid of this (even if I do not get the CT Toolbar, > whatever it is). At the last meeting it was suggested I looked for > something relevant but could find nothing except to do with Google > toolbar which I deleted. > > Any ideas to remove this annoying thing, please? Do you use Azureus now called Vuze? If so, go to Finder > Applications > Toolbar > Vuze and click uninstall. Good luck Paul From penguin.999 at virgin.net Thu Sep 17 17:12:45 2009 From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:12:45 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Toolbar In-Reply-To: <54AE2A42-6024-42FE-ACB2-B2DED4FF6328@virgin.net> References: <21C257E0-D5AF-484A-8F46-3A9A0ADFB5E8@themagic.me.uk> <54AE2A42-6024-42FE-ACB2-B2DED4FF6328@virgin.net> Message-ID: <50342A04-E566-42A3-AF10-8ED77F880CF4@virgin.net> That should be: Do you use Azureus now called Vuze? If so, go to Finder > Applications > Toolbar > Vuze and then click uninstall. Paul From penguin.999 at virgin.net Thu Sep 17 17:15:48 2009 From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:15:48 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Toolbar In-Reply-To: <50342A04-E566-42A3-AF10-8ED77F880CF4@virgin.net> References: <21C257E0-D5AF-484A-8F46-3A9A0ADFB5E8@themagic.me.uk> <54AE2A42-6024-42FE-ACB2-B2DED4FF6328@virgin.net> <50342A04-E566-42A3-AF10-8ED77F880CF4@virgin.net> Message-ID: <54605BCF-10C4-4153-82ED-59F95C7BB716@virgin.net> Very strange, my last two messages looked fine when i sent them but turned up with half my message showing as a quote. I wonder why. Hopefully you can still understand what to do Anthony. Paul C From macman at f2s.com Thu Sep 17 17:17:27 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:17:27 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Toolbar In-Reply-To: <21C257E0-D5AF-484A-8F46-3A9A0ADFB5E8@themagic.me.uk> References: <21C257E0-D5AF-484A-8F46-3A9A0ADFB5E8@themagic.me.uk> Message-ID: I've never heard of it but it's googles instantly - http://thect.ourtoolbar.com/ It's nothing to do with Mac OS or Safari, so someone must have downloaded it at some point. it's certainly a naughty one, as I hardly clicked on their website and it had downloaded and invited me to install! Somewhere you should have an installer/uninstaller called "The_CT.pkg" which should get rid of it. Robbie On 17 Sep 2009, at 17:04, Anthony Brahams wrote: Every time I open Safari I see a panel in the centre of the screen headed "CT Loader", then "Toolbar has not been tested on this version. Toolbar bundle will not be loaded. (No quote marks) I want to get rid of this (even if I do not get the CT Toolbar, whatever it is). At the last meeting it was suggested I looked for something relevant but could find nothing except to do with Google toolbar which I deleted. Any ideas to remove this annoying thing, please? Anthony _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com Thu Sep 17 20:37:18 2009 From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:37:18 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Hi new to your User Group Message-ID: <5EC4B181-E152-45C1-8DED-15512196C6DA@ntlworld.com> Hello, I'm new to Mac's and your Group, I live and work in Norwich. I have spent many years playing with Windows and Linux. I do have a question for the Group, is it possible to write some sort of alias or short cut on the Desktop that I can click on to run the Maintenance Script without opening a Terminal then typing in the script. Hope this makes sense. Kind regards K Westgate kj.westgate at ntlworld.com From macman at f2s.com Thu Sep 17 20:43:34 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:43:34 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Hi new to your User Group In-Reply-To: <5EC4B181-E152-45C1-8DED-15512196C6DA@ntlworld.com> References: <5EC4B181-E152-45C1-8DED-15512196C6DA@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <916917C7-008A-4239-84C5-4E7D42216806@f2s.com> Hello Kerin I'm not quite sure what 'maintenance' script you're referring to, as the beauty of The Mac OS is that it does it all for you - usually about 3 o'clock in the morning! Is there something specific you want to run? Robbie On 17 Sep 2009, at 20:37, Kerin Westgate wrote: Hello, I'm new to Mac's and your Group, I live and work in Norwich. I have spent many years playing with Windows and Linux. I do have a question for the Group, is it possible to write some sort of alias or short cut on the Desktop that I can click on to run the Maintenance Script without opening a Terminal then typing in the script. Hope this makes sense. Kind regards K Westgate kj.westgate at ntlworld.com _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ricnev at mac.com Thu Sep 17 20:45:29 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:45:29 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Hi new to your User Group In-Reply-To: <5EC4B181-E152-45C1-8DED-15512196C6DA@ntlworld.com> References: <5EC4B181-E152-45C1-8DED-15512196C6DA@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: Hi, Kerin - welcome to NMUG I think this might fit the bill http://www.giantmike.com/widgets/Maintidget.html On 17 Sep 2009, at 20:37, Kerin Westgate wrote: > Hello, I'm new to Mac's and your Group, I live and work in Norwich. I > have spent many years playing with Windows and Linux. > > I do have a question for the Group, is it possible to write some sort > of alias or short cut on the Desktop that I can click on to run the > Maintenance Script without opening a Terminal then typing in the > script. Hope this makes sense. > > Kind regards > > K Westgate > kj.westgate at ntlworld.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From david at vanedwards.co.uk Thu Sep 17 20:47:27 2009 From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:47:27 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Hi new to your User Group In-Reply-To: <916917C7-008A-4239-84C5-4E7D42216806@f2s.com> References: <5EC4B181-E152-45C1-8DED-15512196C6DA@ntlworld.com> <916917C7-008A-4239-84C5-4E7D42216806@f2s.com> Message-ID: Dear Kerin, There is a programme called MacJanitor http://www.freemacware.com/macjanitor which does all that stuff at the click of a button. Best wishes, David At 20:43 +0100 17/9/09, Robbie Murray wrote: >Hello Kerin > >I'm not quite sure what 'maintenance' script you're referring to, as >the beauty of The Mac OS is that it does it all for you - usually >about 3 o'clock in the morning! > >Is there something specific you want to run? > >Robbie > > > >On 17 Sep 2009, at 20:37, Kerin Westgate wrote: > >Hello, I'm new to Mac's and your Group, I live and work in Norwich. I >have spent many years playing with Windows and Linux. > >I do have a question for the Group, is it possible to write some sort >of alias or short cut on the Desktop that I can click on to run the >Maintenance Script without opening a Terminal then typing in the >script. Hope this makes sense. > >Kind regards > >K Westgate >kj.westgate at ntlworld.com > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu Sep 17 21:02:12 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:02:12 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Hi new to your User Group In-Reply-To: <5EC4B181-E152-45C1-8DED-15512196C6DA@ntlworld.com> References: <5EC4B181-E152-45C1-8DED-15512196C6DA@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <2E966977-CF5D-47BC-803B-BA2779369ACA@durrant.co.uk> You can write an Applescript to do it if you want it customised in some particular way. Open the script editor (Application/AppleScript/Script Editor) In the window that opens, copy and paste this code: on run do shell script "commands here; separated by semicolons" end run then File/Save As... Give it a name, choose "Application Bundle" from the pop-up, uncheck the "Run Only, Stay Open, Startup Screen" check boxes, and save the application to the desktop. Now whenever you double-click the applescript the command will run. If you also want to see the result of the commands, change to this: on run set noErrors to true try set result to do shell script "ftp w6.demon.co.uk" on error result set noErrors to false display dialog "Problem with script: " & result with title ? "Shell Script " with icon caution ? buttons ("Bother") default button 1 end try if noErrors then display dialog "Script ran OK: " & result with title ? "Shell Script" buttons ("OK") default button 1 end if end run Applescript's great. regards, Paul On 17 Sep 2009, at 20:37, Kerin Westgate wrote: > Hello, I'm new to Mac's and your Group, I live and work in Norwich. I > have spent many years playing with Windows and Linux. > > I do have a question for the Group, is it possible to write some sort > of alias or short cut on the Desktop that I can click on to run the > Maintenance Script without opening a Terminal then typing in the > script. Hope this makes sense. > > Kind regards > > K Westgate > kj.westgate at ntlworld.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu Sep 17 21:26:50 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:26:50 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Hi new to your User Group In-Reply-To: <2E966977-CF5D-47BC-803B-BA2779369ACA@durrant.co.uk> References: <5EC4B181-E152-45C1-8DED-15512196C6DA@ntlworld.com> <2E966977-CF5D-47BC-803B-BA2779369ACA@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <181CD8C8-12AE-4542-9415-30FBA3262142@durrant.co.uk> Oh - and obviously you have to replace the commands here ; ... text with the commands you want run! regards, Paul On 17 Sep 2009, at 21:02, Paul Durrant wrote: > on run > do shell script "commands here; separated by semicolons" > end run From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com Fri Sep 18 07:35:11 2009 From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 07:35:11 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Hi new to your User Group In-Reply-To: <916917C7-008A-4239-84C5-4E7D42216806@f2s.com> References: <5EC4B181-E152-45C1-8DED-15512196C6DA@ntlworld.com> <916917C7-008A-4239-84C5-4E7D42216806@f2s.com> Message-ID: Hi. Thanx for the reply, but this is it my MacBook is not on at 3am hence the running of maintenance scripts myself. On 17 Sep 2009, at 20:43, Robbie Murray wrote: > Hello Kerin > > I'm not quite sure what 'maintenance' script you're referring to, as > the beauty of The Mac OS is that it does it all for you - usually > about 3 o'clock in the morning! > > Is there something specific you want to run? > > Robbie > > > > On 17 Sep 2009, at 20:37, Kerin Westgate wrote: > > Hello, I'm new to Mac's and your Group, I live and work in Norwich. I > have spent many years playing with Windows and Linux. > > I do have a question for the Group, is it possible to write some sort > of alias or short cut on the Desktop that I can click on to run the > Maintenance Script without opening a Terminal then typing in the > script. Hope this makes sense. > > Kind regards > > K Westgate > kj.westgate at ntlworld.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Fri Sep 18 08:26:30 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:26:30 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Hi new to your User Group In-Reply-To: References: <5EC4B181-E152-45C1-8DED-15512196C6DA@ntlworld.com> <916917C7-008A-4239-84C5-4E7D42216806@f2s.com> Message-ID: <8EA09E82-0DB5-4AC3-A00F-B9389651C150@durrant.co.uk> If you're running Leopard (10.5.x) then the maintainance scripts run at the next opportunity anyway. regards, Paul On 18 Sep 2009, at 07:35, Kerin Westgate wrote: > Hi. Thanx for the reply, but this is it my MacBook is not on at 3am > hence the running of maintenance scripts myself. > > > > On 17 Sep 2009, at 20:43, Robbie Murray wrote: > >> Hello Kerin >> >> I'm not quite sure what 'maintenance' script you're referring to, as >> the beauty of The Mac OS is that it does it all for you - usually >> about 3 o'clock in the morning! >> >> Is there something specific you want to run? >> >> Robbie >> >> >> >> On 17 Sep 2009, at 20:37, Kerin Westgate wrote: >> >> Hello, I'm new to Mac's and your Group, I live and work in Norwich. I >> have spent many years playing with Windows and Linux. >> >> I do have a question for the Group, is it possible to write some sort >> of alias or short cut on the Desktop that I can click on to run the >> Maintenance Script without opening a Terminal then typing in the >> script. Hope this makes sense. >> >> Kind regards >> >> K Westgate >> kj.westgate at ntlworld.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From macman at f2s.com Fri Sep 18 09:20:06 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:20:06 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Hi new to your User Group In-Reply-To: References: <5EC4B181-E152-45C1-8DED-15512196C6DA@ntlworld.com> <916917C7-008A-4239-84C5-4E7D42216806@f2s.com> Message-ID: <0569CA5B-9D4B-48CD-B9C0-A68BE92B7C34@f2s.com> In that case, you may find this useful .. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2319 Another free option is Onyx: http://tinyurl.com/yawo58 Hope this helps Robbie On 18 Sep 2009, at 07:35, Kerin Westgate wrote: Hi. Thanx for the reply, but this is it my MacBook is not on at 3am hence the running of maintenance scripts myself. On 17 Sep 2009, at 20:43, Robbie Murray wrote: > Hello Kerin > > I'm not quite sure what 'maintenance' script you're referring to, as > the beauty of The Mac OS is that it does it all for you - usually > about 3 o'clock in the morning! > > Is there something specific you want to run? > > Robbie > > > > On 17 Sep 2009, at 20:37, Kerin Westgate wrote: > > Hello, I'm new to Mac's and your Group, I live and work in Norwich. I > have spent many years playing with Windows and Linux. > > I do have a question for the Group, is it possible to write some sort > of alias or short cut on the Desktop that I can click on to run the > Maintenance Script without opening a Terminal then typing in the > script. Hope this makes sense. > > Kind regards > > K Westgate > kj.westgate at ntlworld.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Fri Sep 18 09:37:02 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:37:02 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Hi new to your User Group In-Reply-To: <8EA09E82-0DB5-4AC3-A00F-B9389651C150@durrant.co.uk> References: <5EC4B181-E152-45C1-8DED-15512196C6DA@ntlworld.com> <916917C7-008A-4239-84C5-4E7D42216806@f2s.com> <8EA09E82-0DB5-4AC3-A00F-B9389651C150@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <89A8BC8A-8DF6-4F31-882F-21C1C0639A56@simonroyal.co.uk> Paul Explain that a bit more can you. Do you mean if your Mac isn't on at 3 am then the next time you turn it on it will run the maintenance scripts. Will it do it at any time. For example if I turn it on at 8 am, it will do it then. If that is the case there is no longer any need to leave a Mac on at night to do its magic self maintenance. Simon On 18 Sep 2009, at 08:26, Paul Durrant wrote: > If you're running Leopard (10.5.x) then the maintainance scripts run > at the next opportunity anyway. Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Follow me on Twitter at http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Fri Sep 18 09:42:27 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:42:27 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Hits Or Visits? Message-ID: <546E10B9-CC3E-47EA-BC7E-6BD973406841@simonroyal.co.uk> Hi. A while ago we were discussing web statistics. I couldn't remember which one is more important hits or visits. My site is having a slow patch. The last few weeks visits have dropped from an a average of 300+ visits a day to 150 visits a day. But what exactly is a visit? And what is a hit? Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Follow me on Twitter at http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From paul at durrant.co.uk Fri Sep 18 09:46:42 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:46:42 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Hi new to your User Group In-Reply-To: <89A8BC8A-8DF6-4F31-882F-21C1C0639A56@simonroyal.co.uk> References: <5EC4B181-E152-45C1-8DED-15512196C6DA@ntlworld.com> <916917C7-008A-4239-84C5-4E7D42216806@f2s.com> <8EA09E82-0DB5-4AC3-A00F-B9389651C150@durrant.co.uk> <89A8BC8A-8DF6-4F31-882F-21C1C0639A56@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: <4883B2E0-053A-4C4B-8E61-B8072BD1AD3D@durrant.co.uk> Having checked further, it isn't quite that simple. If you Mac is asleep overnight, when it wakes it will run the appropriate maintenance scripts. If it's turned off completely, I think it might not do them until the next scheduled time (has passed). So if you shut down every night you might still 'need' to run them every so often manually. But the only thing that happens if you don't run them is that the log files get large. Paul On 18 Sep 2009, at 09:37, Simon Royal wrote: > Paul > > Explain that a bit more can you. > > Do you mean if your Mac isn't on at 3 am then the next time you turn > it on it will run the maintenance scripts. Will it do it at any time. > > For example if I turn it on at 8 am, it will do it then. If that is > the case there is no longer any need to leave a Mac on at night to do > its magic self maintenance. > > Simon > > On 18 Sep 2009, at 08:26, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> If you're running Leopard (10.5.x) then the maintainance scripts run >> at the next opportunity anyway. From ricnev at mac.com Fri Sep 18 09:52:31 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:52:31 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Hi new to your User Group In-Reply-To: <89A8BC8A-8DF6-4F31-882F-21C1C0639A56@simonroyal.co.uk> References: <5EC4B181-E152-45C1-8DED-15512196C6DA@ntlworld.com> <916917C7-008A-4239-84C5-4E7D42216806@f2s.com> <8EA09E82-0DB5-4AC3-A00F-B9389651C150@durrant.co.uk> <89A8BC8A-8DF6-4F31-882F-21C1C0639A56@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: <03E814B9-2AEB-46E0-866E-2C7308BF79F1@mac.com> Just been doing a bit of ferreting around and the most complete explanation I can find is here: http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html#Anchor-54380 On 18 Sep 2009, at 09:37, Simon Royal wrote: > Paul > > Explain that a bit more can you. > > Do you mean if your Mac isn't on at 3 am then the next time you turn > it on it will run the maintenance scripts. Will it do it at any time. > > For example if I turn it on at 8 am, it will do it then. If that is > the case there is no longer any need to leave a Mac on at night to do > its magic self maintenance. > > Simon > > On 18 Sep 2009, at 08:26, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> If you're running Leopard (10.5.x) then the maintainance scripts run >> at the next opportunity anyway. > Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From sc at davidviner.com Fri Sep 18 09:55:59 2009 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 09:55:59 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Hits Or Visits? In-Reply-To: <546E10B9-CC3E-47EA-BC7E-6BD973406841@simonroyal.co.uk> References: <546E10B9-CC3E-47EA-BC7E-6BD973406841@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: <4AB34B1F.4030406@davidviner.com> Simon I think this explains it quite well: http://www.modwest.com/help/kb17-129.html David > Hi. > > A while ago we were discussing web statistics. > > I couldn't remember which one is more important hits or visits. > > My site is having a slow patch. The last few weeks visits have dropped > from an a average of 300+ visits a day to 150 visits a day. > > But what exactly is a visit? And what is a hit? > > Simon Royal > --- > Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Follow me on Twitter > at http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple > PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From allanmacam at me.com Fri Sep 18 11:50:38 2009 From: allanmacam at me.com (Allan) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:50:38 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Language Message-ID: <6365B667-9A98-4794-B483-EAF3B9970887@me.com> So who needs a thesaurus? http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/102967/Footage.mp4.zip Allan From macman at f2s.com Fri Sep 18 12:05:02 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:05:02 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Language In-Reply-To: <6365B667-9A98-4794-B483-EAF3B9970887@me.com> References: <6365B667-9A98-4794-B483-EAF3B9970887@me.com> Message-ID: <9F1F7B46-14C5-4DA7-8A16-8AB89DAFD83F@f2s.com> Typical Apple - keep it modest and low key! Robbie On 18 Sep 2009, at 11:50, Allan wrote: So who needs a thesaurus? http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/102967/Footage.mp4.zip Allan _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Fri Sep 18 12:10:18 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:10:18 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Hi new to your User Group In-Reply-To: <03E814B9-2AEB-46E0-866E-2C7308BF79F1@mac.com> References: <5EC4B181-E152-45C1-8DED-15512196C6DA@ntlworld.com> <916917C7-008A-4239-84C5-4E7D42216806@f2s.com> <8EA09E82-0DB5-4AC3-A00F-B9389651C150@durrant.co.uk> <89A8BC8A-8DF6-4F31-882F-21C1C0639A56@simonroyal.co.uk> <03E814B9-2AEB-46E0-866E-2C7308BF79F1@mac.com> Message-ID: <83038708-9447-4511-AE40-C0000CA7FC75@f2s.com> Couldn't you find anything a bit more comprehensive Richard? :-) A very useful find - bookmarked for the future (particularly those nights when I can't sleep .......) Robbie On 18 Sep 2009, at 09:52, Richard Nevill wrote: Just been doing a bit of ferreting around and the most complete explanation I can find is here: http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html#Anchor-54380 From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Fri Sep 18 12:35:45 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:35:45 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Hits Or Visits? In-Reply-To: <4AB34B1F.4030406@davidviner.com> References: <546E10B9-CC3E-47EA-BC7E-6BD973406841@simonroyal.co.uk> <4AB34B1F.4030406@davidviner.com> Message-ID: <84E02C50-54F4-4D00-8655-C1FFDD095932@simonroyal.co.uk> David Thanks. So visitors is what I should look out for. 1 visit to a webpage with 5 images would register as 6 hits. So 150 visitors a day is 150 individuals going to a page on my site. I know 78% of them are new visitors, so 22% of visitors have been there before and are returning. So yesterday 117 new people visited my site plus 33 returning visitors. Simon On 18 Sep 2009, at 09:55, David Viner wrote: > Simon > > I think this explains it quite well: > http://www.modwest.com/help/kb17-129.html > > David > >> Hi. >> >> A while ago we were discussing web statistics. >> >> I couldn't remember which one is more important hits or visits. >> >> My site is having a slow patch. The last few weeks visits have >> dropped >> from an a average of 300+ visits a day to 150 visits a day. >> >> But what exactly is a visit? And what is a hit? >> >> Simon Royal >> --- >> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Follow me on >> Twitter >> at http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. >> (Apple >> PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Follow me on Twitter at http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Fri Sep 18 12:39:10 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:39:10 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Language In-Reply-To: <6365B667-9A98-4794-B483-EAF3B9970887@me.com> References: <6365B667-9A98-4794-B483-EAF3B9970887@me.com> Message-ID: Allan That was great. :) Simon On 18 Sep 2009, at 11:50, Allan wrote: > So who needs a thesaurus? > > http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/102967/Footage.mp4.zip > > Allan > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Follow me on Twitter at http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk Fri Sep 18 12:41:35 2009 From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:41:35 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Toolbar In-Reply-To: <50342A04-E566-42A3-AF10-8ED77F880CF4@virgin.net> References: <21C257E0-D5AF-484A-8F46-3A9A0ADFB5E8@themagic.me.uk> <54AE2A42-6024-42FE-ACB2-B2DED4FF6328@virgin.net> <50342A04-E566-42A3-AF10-8ED77F880CF4@virgin.net> Message-ID: <4263A622-0085-420F-B21A-C59A3A9BF515@themagic.me.uk> Thanks, Paul and Robbie for your help. I don't use the Apps. Paul mentioned and cannot find CT in my computer (not surprised as I have a very poor opinion regarding finding but that's another story/question). So I went for a download of CT, hoping to find uninstall. When I started this I was asked if I wanted to continue with the uninstall I had started. Anyway, it installed, no uninstall option seen but may be somewhere if I ever want it. There's an extra line in the toolbar, which I have shortened, the message does not appear now but most important, the row of bookmarks is now black on light grey, instead of the dark grey of some impractical designer's whim! So much clearer to see. So I am sticking with this and will find out what the items in this new bar are. Renewed thanks. Anthony From macman at f2s.com Fri Sep 18 13:03:17 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 13:03:17 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Toolbar In-Reply-To: <4263A622-0085-420F-B21A-C59A3A9BF515@themagic.me.uk> References: <21C257E0-D5AF-484A-8F46-3A9A0ADFB5E8@themagic.me.uk> <54AE2A42-6024-42FE-ACB2-B2DED4FF6328@virgin.net> <50342A04-E566-42A3-AF10-8ED77F880CF4@virgin.net> <4263A622-0085-420F-B21A-C59A3A9BF515@themagic.me.uk> Message-ID: The Uninstall option is probably in the installation splash screen you will see when you open the downloaded package - often under 'Options' or 'Customise' (or, God help us, 'Customize') Robbie On 18 Sep 2009, at 12:41, Anthony Brahams wrote: Thanks, Paul and Robbie for your help. I don't use the Apps. Paul mentioned and cannot find CT in my computer (not surprised as I have a very poor opinion regarding finding but that's another story/question). So I went for a download of CT, hoping to find uninstall. When I started this I was asked if I wanted to continue with the uninstall I had started. Anyway, it installed, no uninstall option seen but may be somewhere if I ever want it. There's an extra line in the toolbar, which I have shortened, the message does not appear now but most important, the row of bookmarks is now black on light grey, instead of the dark grey of some impractical designer's whim! So much clearer to see. So I am sticking with this and will find out what the items in this new bar are. Renewed thanks. Anthony _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From sc at davidviner.com Fri Sep 18 14:31:26 2009 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:31:26 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Hits Or Visits? In-Reply-To: <84E02C50-54F4-4D00-8655-C1FFDD095932@simonroyal.co.uk> References: <546E10B9-CC3E-47EA-BC7E-6BD973406841@simonroyal.co.uk> <4AB34B1F.4030406@davidviner.com> <84E02C50-54F4-4D00-8655-C1FFDD095932@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: <4AB38BAE.3060603@davidviner.com> Yep, that sounds about right. Services such as Google Analytics (which I see you are using) will attempt to follow a user's progess through your web site and count that as a single visit. David Simon Royal wrote: > David > > Thanks. So visitors is what I should look out for. 1 visit to a > webpage with 5 images would register as 6 hits. > > So 150 visitors a day is 150 individuals going to a page on my site. I > know 78% of them are new visitors, so 22% of visitors have been there > before and are returning. So yesterday 117 new people visited my site > plus 33 returning visitors. > > Simon > > On 18 Sep 2009, at 09:55, David Viner wrote: > > >> Simon >> >> I think this explains it quite well: >> http://www.modwest.com/help/kb17-129.html >> >> David >> >> >>> Hi. >>> >>> A while ago we were discussing web statistics. >>> >>> I couldn't remember which one is more important hits or visits. >>> >>> My site is having a slow patch. The last few weeks visits have >>> dropped >>> from an a average of 300+ visits a day to 150 visits a day. >>> >>> But what exactly is a visit? And what is a hit? >>> >>> Simon Royal >>> --- >>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Follow me on >>> Twitter >>> at http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. >>> (Apple >>> PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> > > Simon Royal > --- > Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Follow me on Twitter > at http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple > PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com Fri Sep 18 16:53:31 2009 From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:53:31 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Hi Message-ID: <516F5854-66E8-4399-B988-4D62C620C97E@ntlworld.com> As I'm now running 10.6 that means the Maintenance script that should run at 3am will run when I first boot up the next day? This is the script I have been running "sudo periodic daily weekly monthly" Kind regards K Westgate kj.westgate at ntlworld.com From karl.hortt at btinternet.com Fri Sep 18 17:21:49 2009 From: karl.hortt at btinternet.com (Karl hortt) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:21:49 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard Upgrade ?? Message-ID: Hi All, I upgraded my main mac from leopard to snow leopard, the day Snow leopard came out Have not been too impressed with mail crashing, desktop being re- arranged !! so bought a new 1TB hard drive installed it today and tried to do a clean install of Snow Leopard started it off, then Snow Leopard came up after 20 seconds.. cannot instal software as Leopard cannot be found on this machine... so, beware if you upgrade your main drive from Leopard to Snow Leopard, and then at some point wish to re-install, it wont do it, because it needs Leopard to upgrade I had Leopard on another hard drive, so booted from that and got around it ! what do others think ? regards Karl From ricnev at mac.com Fri Sep 18 17:33:45 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:33:45 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Hi In-Reply-To: <516F5854-66E8-4399-B988-4D62C620C97E@ntlworld.com> References: <516F5854-66E8-4399-B988-4D62C620C97E@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <926A4501-C3BA-4A05-A064-B406130AFBB6@mac.com> Here are the relevant words culled from the aforementioned Macattorney webpage: " New for OS X 10.5: You don't need to use any utility, or perform any procedure, to make sure OS X's built-in maintenance tasks have run under OS X 10.5 and later. OS X 10.5 will run its cron jobs automatically (actually, they are no longer handled by the UNIX facility "cron", they are now handled by a similar facility called "launchd". if that means anything to you) whether you have left your computer on all night or not. You no longer need a utility to run missed maintenance as of OS X 10.5. It will run automatically at the next available opportunity. Actually, this was the case as of OS X 10.4, but a bug kept the maintenance routines from running more than once per restart under OS X 10.4. This was fixed in OS X 10.5 http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=6552347 http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/macosx-10.4.ars/5 http://developer.apple.com/macosx/launchd.html " In fact, most Mac users have never worried about any of this - in general, their machines just run without any user intervention or knowledge of 'maintenance scripts' or 'cron jobs'. Some people aren't even aware of 'steve jobs' ! ;-) On 18 Sep 2009, at 16:53, Kerin Westgate wrote: > As I'm now running 10.6 that means the Maintenance script that should > run at 3am will run when I first boot up the next day? This is the > script I have been running "sudo periodic daily weekly monthly" > Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk Fri Sep 18 17:37:57 2009 From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:37:57 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard Upgrade ?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Strange My MacPro has two drives with SL installs and during playtime the first weekend installed SL over Leopard on one drive then did a wipe/clean install on the 2nd. Have done that twice more since with no problems. Steven Jefferson steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk On 18 Sep 2009, at 17:21, Karl hortt wrote: > > Hi All, > > I upgraded my main mac from leopard to snow leopard, the day Snow > leopard came out > > Have not been too impressed with mail crashing, desktop being re- > arranged !! > > so bought a new 1TB hard drive > > installed it today and tried to do a clean install of Snow Leopard > > started it off, then Snow Leopard came up after 20 seconds.. > > cannot instal software as Leopard cannot be found on this machine... > > > so, beware if you upgrade your main drive from Leopard to Snow > Leopard, and then at some point wish to > > re-install, it wont do it, because it needs Leopard to upgrade > > I had Leopard on another hard drive, so booted from that and got > around it ! > > > what do others think ? > > > regards > > Karl > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Fri Sep 18 17:43:41 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:43:41 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard Upgrade ?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14F88B9E-871E-4237-B7C4-150915F957BC@durrant.co.uk> I suspect that the difference is whether the Mac originally shipped with Leopard or not. Paul On 18 Sep 2009, at 17:37, Steven Jefferson wrote: > Strange My MacPro has two drives with SL installs and during playtime > the first weekend installed SL over Leopard on one drive then did a > wipe/clean install on the 2nd. Have done that twice more since with no > problems. > > Steven Jefferson > steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk > > > > On 18 Sep 2009, at 17:21, Karl hortt wrote: > >> >> Hi All, >> >> I upgraded my main mac from leopard to snow leopard, the day Snow >> leopard came out >> >> Have not been too impressed with mail crashing, desktop being re- >> arranged !! >> >> so bought a new 1TB hard drive >> >> installed it today and tried to do a clean install of Snow Leopard >> >> started it off, then Snow Leopard came up after 20 seconds.. >> >> cannot instal software as Leopard cannot be found on this machine... >> >> >> so, beware if you upgrade your main drive from Leopard to Snow >> Leopard, and then at some point wish to >> >> re-install, it wont do it, because it needs Leopard to upgrade >> >> I had Leopard on another hard drive, so booted from that and got >> around it ! >> >> >> what do others think ? From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk Fri Sep 18 18:36:13 2009 From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 18:36:13 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard Upgrade ?? In-Reply-To: <14F88B9E-871E-4237-B7C4-150915F957BC@durrant.co.uk> References: <14F88B9E-871E-4237-B7C4-150915F957BC@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <5D75218B-C05E-441C-8171-0ED924E943C8@zen.co.uk> Good point.... Steven Jefferson steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk On 18 Sep 2009, at 17:43, Paul Durrant wrote: > I suspect that the difference is whether the Mac originally shipped > with Leopard or not. > > Paul > > On 18 Sep 2009, at 17:37, Steven Jefferson wrote: > >> Strange My MacPro has two drives with SL installs and during playtime >> the first weekend installed SL over Leopard on one drive then did a >> wipe/clean install on the 2nd. Have done that twice more since with >> no >> problems. >> >> Steven Jefferson >> steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk >> >> >> >> On 18 Sep 2009, at 17:21, Karl hortt wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I upgraded my main mac from leopard to snow leopard, the day Snow >>> leopard came out >>> >>> Have not been too impressed with mail crashing, desktop being re- >>> arranged !! >>> >>> so bought a new 1TB hard drive >>> >>> installed it today and tried to do a clean install of Snow Leopard >>> >>> started it off, then Snow Leopard came up after 20 seconds.. >>> >>> cannot instal software as Leopard cannot be found on this machine... >>> >>> >>> so, beware if you upgrade your main drive from Leopard to Snow >>> Leopard, and then at some point wish to >>> >>> re-install, it wont do it, because it needs Leopard to upgrade >>> >>> I had Leopard on another hard drive, so booted from that and got >>> around it ! >>> >>> >>> what do others think ? > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From munkt0n at gmail.com Fri Sep 18 19:12:13 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:12:13 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Hi In-Reply-To: <926A4501-C3BA-4A05-A064-B406130AFBB6@mac.com> References: <516F5854-66E8-4399-B988-4D62C620C97E@ntlworld.com> <926A4501-C3BA-4A05-A064-B406130AFBB6@mac.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Richard Nevill wrote: > > Some people aren't even aware of 'steve jobs' ! ?;-) > that's another launchd task isn't it? daily jobs, weekly jobs, monthly jobs, steve jobs it's run once or twice a year and activates the fabled reality distortion field built into every Mac From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com Sat Sep 19 13:27:04 2009 From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (Stefan Pietrzak Youngs) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:27:04 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Myths and Fables and Macs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <68A0F556-7C93-4D82-8BF4-42D7008D8B60@gmail.com> > > From: Scott Matthews >> Some people aren't even aware of 'steve jobs' ! ?;-) >> > that's another launchd task isn't it? > > daily jobs, weekly jobs, monthly jobs, steve jobs > > it's run once or twice a year and activates the fabled reality > distortion field built into every Mac Now that's what I call wit! Let's have more of it. From penguin.999 at virgin.net Sat Sep 19 22:08:37 2009 From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 22:08:37 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] September meeting Message-ID: The next meeting will be on the 23rd September 2009 that being the fourth Wednesday of the month. It will be held at The Quebec in a separate room from the bar and will be from 7.30. Quebec 93-97 Quebec Road Norwich NR1 4HY Here is a link to a map. I hope to be able to come to this one. Paul C From turrethouse at talktalk.net Sun Sep 20 11:12:48 2009 From: turrethouse at talktalk.net (hugh morgan) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 11:12:48 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] September meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry but I can't make this one. Hugh. >The next meeting will be on the 23rd September > >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Sun Sep 20 12:13:24 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 12:13:24 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Gene Roddenberry's Mac Up For Auction Message-ID: Hi. The first ever Macintosh Plus was given to Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry. It is now up for auction. http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/2009/09/gene-roddenberrys-mac-up-for-auction.html Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Follow me on Twitter at http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Sun Sep 20 13:16:41 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 13:16:41 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iPhone Price Message-ID: Hi. As you probably know I have been trying to get hold of an iPhone. I am only after an original 2G iPhone. I have been looking at eBay. Paul suggested a few weeks ago I check out the completed listings to see what sort of price they go for. I have just done that but they vary so much it is hard to tell. I have seen a few go for ?130 and then some go for about ?200. Some even more. What is a good price for one? Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Follow me on Twitter at http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From macman at f2s.com Sun Sep 20 13:26:33 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 13:26:33 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iPhone Price In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Whatever you're prepared to pay .... :-) On 20 Sep 2009, at 13:16, Simon Royal wrote: Hi. As you probably know I have been trying to get hold of an iPhone. I am only after an original 2G iPhone. I have been looking at eBay. What is a good price for one? Simon Royal From paul at durrant.co.uk Sun Sep 20 14:52:01 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:52:01 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iPhone Price In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Umm... it looks like a good price for one is ?130, and a fair price is between ?130 and ?200, depending on condition. regards, Paul On 20 Sep 2009, at 13:16, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi. > > As you probably know I have been trying to get hold of an iPhone. I am > only after an original 2G iPhone. I have been looking at eBay. > > Paul suggested a few weeks ago I check out the completed listings to > see what sort of price they go for. I have just done that but they > vary so much it is hard to tell. I have seen a few go for ?130 and > then some go for about ?200. Some even more. > > What is a good price for one? From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Mon Sep 21 00:16:10 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 00:16:10 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] RDRAM Message-ID: Hi. This is PC related so sorry, but does anyone have an RDRAM sticks. It is an odd type of ram, used briefly in between pc133 and ddr, around 2000 in early Pentium 4 machines. It is a bizarre ram with its own built in heatsink on each stick. Simon --- visit http://www.simonroyal.co.uk (sent using Nokia E65) From ken.hamer at stackyard.org Mon Sep 21 00:36:07 2009 From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 00:36:07 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] RDRAM In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AB6BC67.3070407@stackyard.org> Sorry Simon, I think you might struggle with this one. It was one of those things that sounded like a great idea at the time and then was overtaken by better, more ordinary and cheaper technologies. Very weird configuration with all slots either needing to be filled with modules or dummies. Still available to buy but fearsomely expensive. What do you need it for? If a PC, surely a new motherboard would be far less grief. I know it would be new instead of old which is against your principles but still.... Ken Simon Royal wrote: > Hi. > > This is PC related so sorry, but does anyone have an RDRAM sticks. > > It is an odd type of ram, used briefly in between pc133 and ddr, around 2000 in early Pentium 4 machines. > > It is a bizarre ram with its own built in heatsink on each stick. > > Simon --- visit http://www.simonroyal.co.uk (sent using Nokia E65) > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Mon Sep 21 12:59:59 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 12:59:59 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard Disc... How Much Is It Worth? Message-ID: <1EA6F0B7-19AC-4376-9BB5-E0DE3B460A2A@simonroyal.co.uk> Hi. I won a copy of Snow Leopard from PowerBook Medic, and after a lot of hassle and some kind help from Stefan, it arrived this morning. My question is... how much is it worth? It is not an update disc, but the retail disc (2Z691-6428-A) and the box say 10.6 RETAIL. Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Follow me on Twitter at http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From batchsteve at googlemail.com Mon Sep 21 13:07:00 2009 From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:07:00 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard Disc... How Much Is It Worth? In-Reply-To: <1EA6F0B7-19AC-4376-9BB5-E0DE3B460A2A@simonroyal.co.uk> References: <1EA6F0B7-19AC-4376-9BB5-E0DE3B460A2A@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi, my ?25 'upgrade' says "10.6 RETAIL" The different part number is probably because you have US instead of UK. On 21 Sep 2009, at 12:59, Simon Royal wrote: > the box say 10.6 RETAIL From paul at durrant.co.uk Mon Sep 21 13:52:58 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 13:52:58 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard Disc... How Much Is It Worth? In-Reply-To: <1EA6F0B7-19AC-4376-9BB5-E0DE3B460A2A@simonroyal.co.uk> References: <1EA6F0B7-19AC-4376-9BB5-E0DE3B460A2A@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: <96E46DA7-366A-4846-8F6F-A38DFC8CC303@durrant.co.uk> Hi Simon, A quick look around shows that there /are/ two kinds of Snow Leopard disks about. There's the disks sent under the "up-to-date" scheme, which are number 2Z691-6557-A (& other numbers), and these disks check what kind of mac it's being installed on and/or look for Leopard already installed. They also say "Upgrade DVD" on the disk label. And then there's the disks in the retail boxes, 2Z691-6428-A, like yours, which are the full thing and don't check for a pre-installed copy of Leopard. They are labelled "Install DVD". I'd say your Leopard disk is worth about ?20 on eBay. It's ?25 to buy new from Apple. regards, Paul On 21 Sep 2009, at 12:59, Simon Royal wrote: > 2Z691-6428-A From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Mon Sep 21 14:02:53 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:02:53 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] What Size Alternative Message-ID: <0475E288-1BD6-41E5-953E-4D5F98169D7D@simonroyal.co.uk> Hi. I used to use WhatSize to check out what was eating up my hard drive. However it isn't free anymore and wondered if anyone has any recommendations on a similar free piece of software. Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Follow me on Twitter at http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Mon Sep 21 14:08:22 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:08:22 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard Disc... How Much Is It Worth? In-Reply-To: <96E46DA7-366A-4846-8F6F-A38DFC8CC303@durrant.co.uk> References: <1EA6F0B7-19AC-4376-9BB5-E0DE3B460A2A@simonroyal.co.uk> <96E46DA7-366A-4846-8F6F-A38DFC8CC303@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Paul Guess I might as well keep it. ?20 isn't too much. I can't use it at the mo though. Suppose it could go towards my iPhone fund. Simon On 21 Sep 2009, at 13:52, Paul Durrant wrote: > Hi Simon, > > A quick look around shows that there /are/ two kinds of Snow Leopard > disks about. > > There's the disks sent under the "up-to-date" scheme, which are number > 2Z691-6557-A (& other numbers), and these disks check what kind of mac > it's being installed on and/or look for Leopard already installed. > They also say "Upgrade DVD" on the disk label. > > And then there's the disks in the retail boxes, 2Z691-6428-A, like > yours, which are the full thing and don't check for a pre-installed > copy of Leopard. They are labelled "Install DVD". > > I'd say your Leopard disk is worth about ?20 on eBay. It's ?25 to buy > new from Apple. > > regards, > > Paul > > On 21 Sep 2009, at 12:59, Simon Royal wrote: > >> 2Z691-6428-A > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Follow me on Twitter at http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From munkt0n at gmail.com Mon Sep 21 14:36:50 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2009 14:36:50 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] What Size Alternative In-Reply-To: <0475E288-1BD6-41E5-953E-4D5F98169D7D@simonroyal.co.uk> References: <0475E288-1BD6-41E5-953E-4D5F98169D7D@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: disk inventory x is free - http://www.derlien.com/ daisy disk looks great, but you have to pay - http://www.daisydiskapp.com/ On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi. > > I used to use WhatSize to check out what was eating up my hard drive. > However it isn't free anymore and wondered if anyone has any > recommendations on a similar free piece of software. > > Simon Royal > --- > Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Follow me on Twitter > at http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple > PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- :wq From bazyoungs at mac.com Tue Sep 22 16:33:53 2009 From: bazyoungs at mac.com (Barry Youngs) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:33:53 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] It's Official! Message-ID: Hey people, What are you doing on Saturday? Me, I'm working so I'll miss it! http://www.apple.com/uk/retail/chapelfield/ Baz OS X: Where software installation doesn't require wizards with shields. From paul at durrant.co.uk Tue Sep 22 16:58:16 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:58:16 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] It's Official! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7C0D4373-7357-4274-A052-32D60FF28C6B@durrant.co.uk> Oh, splendid. I think I can get along there. An Apple Store in Norwich. And about time too. Paul On 22 Sep 2009, at 16:33, Barry Youngs wrote: > Hey people, > What are you doing on Saturday? > Me, I'm working so I'll miss it! > http://www.apple.com/uk/retail/chapelfield/ From minkennison at mac.com Tue Sep 22 16:59:29 2009 From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 16:59:29 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] It's Official! In-Reply-To: <7C0D4373-7357-4274-A052-32D60FF28C6B@durrant.co.uk> References: <7C0D4373-7357-4274-A052-32D60FF28C6B@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <7C84B108-8F10-4C83-ACDA-6F28C309196A@mac.com> Couldn't come soon enough. Cambridge is a step too far! Min On 22 Sep 2009, at 16:5822 Sep 2009, Paul Durrant wrote: > Oh, splendid. I think I can get along there. An Apple Store in > Norwich. And about time too. > > Paul > > On 22 Sep 2009, at 16:33, Barry Youngs wrote: > >> Hey people, >> What are you doing on Saturday? >> Me, I'm working so I'll miss it! >> http://www.apple.com/uk/retail/chapelfield/ > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Tue Sep 22 17:21:47 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 17:21:47 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Checking warranty information with Apple Message-ID: Having just spent several minutes trying to find it, I though the web address was worth a mention on the list. This is the page at Apple's web site where you can type in your serial number and get back the warranty information - i.e. when it expires/ expired. https://selfsolve.apple.com/GetWarranty.do regards, Paul From penguin.999 at virgin.net Tue Sep 22 18:00:35 2009 From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:00:35 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Checking warranty information with Apple In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9FCDD139-EDF8-4239-8B76-F88B18DEC185@virgin.net> On Sep 22, 2009, at 17:21, Paul Durrant wrote: > Having just spent several minutes trying to find it, I though the web > address was worth a mention on the list. Thanks for that Paul. I don't need it myself at the moment but I have thought that over the years Apple have been doing their best to hide it more and more on their site. Paul C From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com Tue Sep 22 18:52:38 2009 From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 18:52:38 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] It's Official! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7FC430AE-8F41-4900-8CC2-430E22B77585@ruthmurray.f2s.com> Woohoo! And I've already signed up for a Garageband workshop! Ruth On 22 Sep 2009, at 16:33, Barry Youngs wrote: > Hey people, > What are you doing on Saturday? > Me, I'm working so I'll miss it! > http://www.apple.com/uk/retail/chapelfield/ > > Baz > > OS X: Where software installation doesn't require wizards with > shields. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug > Ruth Murray ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com Ruth Murray Graphic Design and Illustration 01603 632334 Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net From june.perrett at mac.com Tue Sep 22 19:41:54 2009 From: june.perrett at mac.com (June Perrett) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 19:41:54 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Problem with uploading photos Message-ID: <48F949DB-D4E0-4D52-8A40-E17D0B733A0B@mac.com> Hi I wonder if anyone uses www.myPix.com to order photo prints online? I am a customer/member and have used them in the past. But at the moment I am having problems getting my pictures onto their site. I dragged some photos off the desktop (as instructed) on to their page but could not find a button to click and upload them. My photos then vanished! Have tried several times. Apologies if I don't use the correct terminology. I have rung the Customer Care phone number (Tel: 0905 879 0879) several times and am told to press 'Button 2'. But then their phone cuts out. I've also emailed their Customer Care Services but no luck there. I am getting rather disheartened as I have about 600 photos (pre paid) which need to be uploaded and ordered by Sunday 27th September - the deadline. I suppose I could post the photos on CDs. Should I limit the number of pics to 50 per disc? Or is it OK for more? I'd be grateful for any help and suggestions. Regards June Perrett 01603 505297 From paul at durrant.co.uk Tue Sep 22 20:31:09 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 20:31:09 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Problem with uploading photos In-Reply-To: <48F949DB-D4E0-4D52-8A40-E17D0B733A0B@mac.com> References: <48F949DB-D4E0-4D52-8A40-E17D0B733A0B@mac.com> Message-ID: <8A64A2D8-30DC-481F-B7CE-6C72FCEA4B16@durrant.co.uk> OK, I've registered at the site. I'm using Safari 4.0.3 on Mac OS X 10.5.8 You need to allow the Java applet to run when it asks. Click on "Upload My Photos" A list of all the disks and the desktop folder should appear on the left of the item "2. Choose and upload your photos" If the photos you want to upload are all on your desktop, just click on your desktop /in the browser window/ A list of the photos found in the Desktop folder should appear to the right /in the browser window/ If nothing appears, it may be because your photos are in a folder on the desktop, not 'loose'. Click the arrow next the the Desktop icon to show folder on the desktop. Click the folder icon /in the browser window/ that contains your photos. Then pictures should appear on the right Once you have the photos showing, click on one - it should highlight with a red/blue box around it. Then click the Add button below the pictures. The picture will be displayed in the bottom right area of the browser window. Now to actually upload this one picture. Click on the "Send the photos" button. A window should appear showing the progress of the upload. regards, Paul On 22 Sep 2009, at 19:41, June Perrett wrote: > www.myPix.com From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Wed Sep 23 09:11:41 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:11:41 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard... Is This Right Message-ID: Hi. Can someone confirm if this is correct? There are two versions of Snow Leopard. 1. The full ?25 version, which says you need Leopard installed. 2. The up-to-date ?9 version, which says you need Leopard installed. The ?25 version can be used on a machine without Leopard, but is priced at ?25 because Apple assumes you already own Leopard. However, you can wipe and do a fresh install on a hard drive. The ?9 version actually looks for Leopard on your hard drive and you cannot do a wipe and install, but an archive and install. The earliest Intel Macs shipped with Tiger, later ones shipped with Leopard. You could technically skip buying Leopard if your Mac has Tiger and install the ?25 version of Snow Leopard, but this would be breaking the Snow Leopard EULA. Basically, the ?25 version says you should own Leopard but does no checks, but the ?9 version actually checks for it. Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Follow me on Twitter at http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com Wed Sep 23 09:25:19 2009 From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:25:19 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard... Is This Right In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Simon, I think the deal with the two apparent versions of SL is: the ?9.00 version is if you have very recently bought a new Mac with Intel processor in which case it is a concession. The ?25.00 version is if you bought you Mac some time ago,ie before June 2009 but don't quote me on the precise date. They both do exactly the same thing, just the lower price version if you bought just before the upgrade otherwise 'newbies' would feel aggrieved at having to shell out yet more bucks Richard Stewart rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com On 23 Sep 2009, at 09:11, Simon Royal wrote: versions of Snow Leopard. From karl.hortt at btinternet.com Wed Sep 23 09:26:29 2009 From: karl.hortt at btinternet.com (Karl hortt) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:26:29 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] New Apple Store Message-ID: Hi All, Just managed to persuade my wife that we need to go shopping in Norwich on Saturday !! Anyone know what time the big event starts ?? regards Karl From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com Wed Sep 23 09:30:17 2009 From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:30:17 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] New Apple Store In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8B0300E6-5F9F-452D-A202-5CF4BBC6BB51@gmail.com> Apple says it's at 10.00 am Richard Stewart rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com On 23 Sep 2009, at 09:26, Karl hortt wrote: big event starts ?? From macman at f2s.com Wed Sep 23 09:30:20 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:30:20 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] New Apple Store In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6BC56CB9-FE4C-4CE4-A0FA-A175BD6CFB9E@f2s.com> No idea, but I'll be staying well clear - if it's anything like the others, you won't be able to move for Australian backpackers emailing home .... :-) Robbie On 23 Sep 2009, at 09:26, Karl hortt wrote: Hi All, Just managed to persuade my wife that we need to go shopping in Norwich on Saturday !! Anyone know what time the big event starts ?? regards Karl _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Wed Sep 23 09:33:36 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:33:36 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] New Apple Store In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49F50B52-B69D-459F-B1BE-6383F37D064E@f2s.com> .... but for those who want to go, this just arrived .... http://tinyurl.com/mend4j Robbie No idea, but I'll be staying well clear - if it's anything like the others, you won't be able to move for Australian backpackers emailing home .... :-) Robbie On 23 Sep 2009, at 09:26, Karl hortt wrote: Hi All, Just managed to persuade my wife that we need to go shopping in Norwich on Saturday !! Anyone know what time the big event starts ?? regards Karl _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com Wed Sep 23 09:53:53 2009 From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 09:53:53 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] New Apple Store In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <33EBE868-3918-401A-B89D-D22FBEA0A5AE@ruthmurray.f2s.com> http://www.apple.com/uk/retail/chapelfield/?cid=CDM-EU-2615 And I want to be one of the first thousand to get an Apple Tshirt, oops shouldn't have said that - you'll all want one now! Ruth On 23 Sep 2009, at 09:26, Karl hortt wrote: > > Hi All, > > Just managed to persuade my wife that we need to go shopping in > Norwich on Saturday !! > > Anyone know what time the big event starts ?? > > regards > > Karl > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug > Ruth Murray ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com Ruth Murray Graphic Design and Illustration 01603 632334 Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Wed Sep 23 11:00:49 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:00:49 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Preview Is Great Message-ID: <00D0EE2C-8C71-420A-9E0D-E7D888ADF310@simonroyal.co.uk> Hi. Is it new in Leopard or have I just missed the whole Preview thing. I know it was a picture viewer, but only recently have I worked out it can do basic image editing such as resize, crop etc... I know Snow Leopard has even more features. For adjusting or cropping images for the web it is a brilliant piece of kit. So good I haven't used Seashore which used to be my other basic editor for ages. Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Follow me on Twitter at http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From paul at durrant.co.uk Wed Sep 23 11:47:24 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:47:24 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard... Is This Right In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11A49F51-30A0-47B5-8B96-AAA79BA2114B@durrant.co.uk> Hi Simon, Yes, this is completely correct. The official way to upgrade to Snow Leopard from Tiger without buying Leopard is to buy the Snow Leopard/iLife '09/iWorks '09 bundle. I have the up-to-date version, which will not install on a blank hard disk on my 2006 Intel iMac. regards, Paul On 23 Sep 2009, at 09:11, Simon Royal wrote: > Can someone confirm if this is correct? > > There are two versions of Snow Leopard. > > > 1. The full ?25 version, which says you need Leopard installed. > 2. The up-to-date ?9 version, which says you need Leopard installed. > > > The ?25 version can be used on a machine without Leopard, but is > priced at ?25 because Apple assumes you already own Leopard. However, > you can wipe and do a fresh install on a hard drive. The ?9 version > actually looks for Leopard on your hard drive and you cannot do a wipe > and install, but an archive and install. > > The earliest Intel Macs shipped with Tiger, later ones shipped with > Leopard. You could technically skip buying Leopard if your Mac has > Tiger and install the ?25 version of Snow Leopard, but this would be > breaking the Snow Leopard EULA. > > Basically, the ?25 version says you should own Leopard but does no > checks, but the ?9 version actually checks for it. From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com Wed Sep 23 12:06:47 2009 From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (Stefan Pietrzak Youngs) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:06:47 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Preview In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 23 Sep 2009, at 12:00, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote: > Subject: [NMUG] Preview Is Great > . > > Is it new in Leopard or have I just missed the whole Preview thing. Preview does great things with PDF's that Adobe reader can't do..check it out, it may come in handy... it's a very impressive piece of coding... From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Wed Sep 23 13:22:56 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 13:22:56 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Convert To AMR Message-ID: <717F0EDE-5B5F-402E-AC2C-2E4747D9433C@simonroyal.co.uk> Hi. Does anyone know of a program or way of converting audio to AMR? I have an old phone that doesn't support MP3, but it does support AMR and need to convert various audio files to AMR. I can get them into any other audio format except AMR. Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Follow me on Twitter at http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com Wed Sep 23 14:02:21 2009 From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:02:21 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] SL Message-ID: <8782FC96-29C9-4CB3-88A5-640709B4F723@ntlworld.com> Hi. I bought my MacBook back in March so missed the ?9 upgrade (offer), so I bought the ?25 disc from Apple which seems to be an upgrade as I was unable to install on a clean hard drive and it complained about not finding Leopard, so my choice was to do a clean install of Leopard then installed my new Snow Leopard on that (ie an upgrade), I think the cost of a Snow Leopard install disc that you can install onto a clean hard drive by it's self is around ?89? I hope this information is correct as I am a newbie to Apple but have been watching for many years :) Love it, great OS plus it's MY laptop :) many Windows Laptops in the house :( Kerin kj.westgate at ntlworld.com ps please don't moan at me if I'm wrong, just publish the correct information. From ricnev at mac.com Wed Sep 23 14:09:29 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:09:29 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] SL In-Reply-To: <8782FC96-29C9-4CB3-88A5-640709B4F723@ntlworld.com> References: <8782FC96-29C9-4CB3-88A5-640709B4F723@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: We never moan on this list - we are all in the same boat. I want to learn from you as much as you want to learn from me. On 23 Sep 2009, at 14:02, Kerin Westgate wrote: > ps please don't moan at me if I'm wrong, just publish the correct > information. Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From ricnev at mac.com Wed Sep 23 14:11:49 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:11:49 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Kerin: Maintenance scripts Message-ID: <5CFD3A8C-B66C-4CF3-A621-E7D3BB9C208B@mac.com> Hi, Kerin. Did our input on maintenance scripts help you at all? Do you need any more help? Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From ricnev at mac.com Wed Sep 23 14:51:08 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:51:08 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Convert To AMR In-Reply-To: <717F0EDE-5B5F-402E-AC2C-2E4747D9433C@simonroyal.co.uk> References: <717F0EDE-5B5F-402E-AC2C-2E4747D9433C@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: Does this help? http://www.free-ringtones.ie/ringtone-converter/mp3-to-amr/ On 23 Sep 2009, at 13:22, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi. > > Does anyone know of a program or way of converting audio to AMR? > > I have an old phone that doesn't support MP3, but it does support AMR > and need to convert various audio files to AMR. I can get them into > any other audio format except AMR. Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Wed Sep 23 14:56:43 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 14:56:43 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Convert To AMR In-Reply-To: References: <717F0EDE-5B5F-402E-AC2C-2E4747D9433C@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: <299F524E-1312-4AF0-AE06-6E84E66212A2@simonroyal.co.uk> Richard. You star. That is great. Simon On 23 Sep 2009, at 14:51, Richard Nevill wrote: > Does this help? > > http://www.free-ringtones.ie/ringtone-converter/mp3-to-amr/ > > > > On 23 Sep 2009, at 13:22, Simon Royal wrote: > >> Hi. >> >> Does anyone know of a program or way of converting audio to AMR? >> >> I have an old phone that doesn't support MP3, but it does support AMR >> and need to convert various audio files to AMR. I can get them into >> any other audio format except AMR. > > > > > Richard Nevill > ricnev at mac.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Follow me on Twitter at http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com Wed Sep 23 16:39:14 2009 From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (Stefan Pietrzak Youngs) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 16:39:14 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Preview: Ok, OK... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7516F351-76A2-4363-BF8E-E225FF96F963@gmail.com> The response to my earlier posting has been overwhelming (2 people have emailed me, which only goes to show what a lonely existence I must lead if this represents a deluge) I wrote earlier, but did not elaborate: "Preview does great things with PDF's that Adobe reader can't do..check it out, it may come in handy... it's a very impressive piece of coding..." Well, pop-pickers, part of the skinny on Preview can be found on the super-excellent Ask Dave site ( a real treasure trove of useful information) http://www.askdavetaylor.com/how_to_merge_two_pdf_files_mac.html From paul at durrant.co.uk Wed Sep 23 19:21:59 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:21:59 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Apologies for absence Message-ID: <255D95F3-0DDA-4222-8BC5-C79765E2959A@durrant.co.uk> Sorry I'm not at the meeting tonight. I've got a bit of a cold and I don't feel up to going out. And I don't suppose you lot want to catch my cold either. :-) regards, Paul From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Wed Sep 23 19:24:16 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:24:16 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Apologies for absence In-Reply-To: <255D95F3-0DDA-4222-8BC5-C79765E2959A@durrant.co.uk> References: <255D95F3-0DDA-4222-8BC5-C79765E2959A@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <3A1BA4A9-A6F0-485E-A80C-54A5E83E1CA7@simonroyal.co.uk> Paul While it seems our machines are not prone to Viruses, we are. Hope you feel well soon. Simon On 23 Sep 2009, at 19:21, Paul Durrant wrote: > Sorry I'm not at the meeting tonight. I've got a bit of a cold and I > don't feel up to going out. And I don't suppose you lot want to catch > my cold either. :-) > > regards, > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Follow me on Twitter at http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From ricnev at mac.com Wed Sep 23 19:38:16 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:38:16 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Apologies for absence In-Reply-To: <255D95F3-0DDA-4222-8BC5-C79765E2959A@durrant.co.uk> References: <255D95F3-0DDA-4222-8BC5-C79765E2959A@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Us here are sad you can't be here. Hope you get fit for the big day on Saturday Sent from my iPhone On 23 Sep 2009, at 19:21, Paul Durrant wrote: > Sorry I'm not at the meeting tonight. I've got a bit of a cold and I > don't feel up to going out. And I don't suppose you lot want to catch > my cold either. :-) > > regards, > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ricnev at mac.com Wed Sep 23 19:39:38 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:39:38 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Apologies for absence In-Reply-To: <255D95F3-0DDA-4222-8BC5-C79765E2959A@durrant.co.uk> References: <255D95F3-0DDA-4222-8BC5-C79765E2959A@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Ruth says do you need your DVD urgently? Sent from my iPhone On 23 Sep 2009, at 19:21, Paul Durrant wrote: > Sorry I'm not at the meeting tonight. I've got a bit of a cold and I > don't feel up to going out. And I don't suppose you lot want to catch > my cold either. :-) > > regards, > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com Wed Sep 23 19:46:08 2009 From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 19:46:08 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Meeting Message-ID: <964CD9BA-7AC5-4882-97B5-8825D027BE61@ntlworld.com> Sorry at the meeting would liked to have met you all, but family ill etc so better stop away incase I spread any nasties :) have a good meeting maybe see you all at the next meeting or in store :) Kerin From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Thu Sep 24 00:08:13 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 00:08:13 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] SL In-Reply-To: <8782FC96-29C9-4CB3-88A5-640709B4F723@ntlworld.com> References: <8782FC96-29C9-4CB3-88A5-640709B4F723@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: Kevin That is interesting as the ?25 disc from Apple is supposed to be the full version. It should install without requiring Tiger/Leopard already there. I asked this question a few days ago. The up-to-date ?9 disc is supposed to check for Leopard. Simon On 23 Sep 2009, at 14:02, Kerin Westgate wrote: > Hi. I bought my MacBook back in March so missed the ?9 upgrade > (offer), so I bought the ?25 disc from Apple which seems to be an > upgrade as I was unable to install on a clean hard drive and it > complained about not finding Leopard, so my choice was to do a clean > install of Leopard then installed my new Snow Leopard on that (ie an > upgrade), I think the cost of a Snow Leopard install disc that you > can install onto a clean hard drive by it's self is around ?89? > > I hope this information is correct as I am a newbie to Apple but have > been watching for many years :) > > Love it, great OS plus it's MY laptop :) many Windows Laptops in the > house :( > > Kerin > > kj.westgate at ntlworld.com > > > > > ps please don't moan at me if I'm wrong, just publish the correct > information. > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Follow me on Twitter at http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From june.perrett at mac.com Thu Sep 24 06:24:42 2009 From: june.perrett at mac.com (June Perrett) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 06:24:42 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Problem uploading photos solved Message-ID: Thank you Paul (D) for coming to the rescue. I am now uploading my pics successfully. It was kind of you to take the trouble to register with www.mypix.com and then send me instructions, especially as you weren't feeling too good. I hope your cold clears up soon. Many thanks. June From cruachan.beatus at googlemail.com Thu Sep 24 07:31:42 2009 From: cruachan.beatus at googlemail.com (Campbell) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 07:31:42 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iPhoto and Googlemail Message-ID: <58ab5cce0909232331t275407f5q83ff18cb786d164@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, I have recently converted to Googlemail and am fairly happy overall. One so far insurmountable problem to date. I want to attach iPhoto material to email, and yet I cannot for the life of me get the pix to open in anything other than AOL [my current ISP] or Tesco, [my previous one]. I would like to delete Tesco and add Googlemail, leaving AOL as a backup. All contributions would be gratefully received. John Murray From cruachan.beatus at googlemail.com Thu Sep 24 07:36:31 2009 From: cruachan.beatus at googlemail.com (Campbell) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 07:36:31 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iPhoto and googlemail Message-ID: <58ab5cce0909232336i3613796bn6cb9308c22588952@mail.gmail.com> Hi Again, Oh STUPID boy ! I left the important bits out of my plea for help. 800MHz Power PC G4 OS 10.4.11 iMac John M From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu Sep 24 09:39:06 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:39:06 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] DVD In-Reply-To: <7FC430AE-8F41-4900-8CC2-430E22B77585@ruthmurray.f2s.com> References: <7FC430AE-8F41-4900-8CC2-430E22B77585@ruthmurray.f2s.com> Message-ID: <3DD47173-A261-46F8-AFD8-E94B8A966772@durrant.co.uk> Hi Ruth, Thanks for asking. I'm in no urgent need of my external DVD-RW. Feel free to use it until I ask for it back, or you want to stop worrying about it. Regards, Paul From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu Sep 24 09:40:40 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:40:40 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] DVD In-Reply-To: <3DD47173-A261-46F8-AFD8-E94B8A966772@durrant.co.uk> References: <7FC430AE-8F41-4900-8CC2-430E22B77585@ruthmurray.f2s.com> <3DD47173-A261-46F8-AFD8-E94B8A966772@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Hmm.... I'll blame that on not being well. :-) Paul On 24 Sep 2009, at 09:39, Paul Durrant wrote: > Thanks for asking. I'm in no urgent need of my external DVD-RW. Feel > free to use it until I ask for it back, or you want to stop worrying > about it. From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com Thu Sep 24 09:42:04 2009 From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 09:42:04 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] DVD In-Reply-To: References: <7FC430AE-8F41-4900-8CC2-430E22B77585@ruthmurray.f2s.com> <3DD47173-A261-46F8-AFD8-E94B8A966772@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <433894FA-68BF-4250-9CE5-78C3C2E9627C@ruthmurray.f2s.com> Thanks Paul, you're a cherub. I hope you feel better soon. Ruth x On 24 Sep 2009, at 09:40, Paul Durrant wrote: > Hmm.... I'll blame that on not being well. :-) > > Paul > > > On 24 Sep 2009, at 09:39, Paul Durrant wrote: >> Thanks for asking. I'm in no urgent need of my external DVD-RW. Feel >> free to use it until I ask for it back, or you want to stop worrying >> about it. > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug > Ruth Murray ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com Ruth Murray Graphic Design and Illustration 01603 632334 Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net From ricnev at mac.com Thu Sep 24 10:25:50 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:25:50 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iPhoto and Googlemail In-Reply-To: <58ab5cce0909232331t275407f5q83ff18cb786d164@mail.gmail.com> References: <58ab5cce0909232331t275407f5q83ff18cb786d164@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <37AC531A-7369-4D49-AFAF-A17F39C88171@mac.com> Hello John. Like a lot of things in life, I wouldn't start from there. Because attaching photos (or indeed any large file) to emails often ends in tears. I like to use things from the same stable when I'm doing tasks, and Google provides a super tool to help you organise your pictures and let others view and/or download them. It is called Picasa web albums, and links very nicely with Picasa for Mac and Googlemail. https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?service=lh2 On 24 Sep 2009, at 07:31, Campbell wrote: > Hi All, I have recently converted to Googlemail and am fairly > happy > overall. > One so far insurmountable problem to date. > I want to attach iPhoto material to email, and yet I cannot > for the > life of me get the pix to open in anything other than AOL [my > current ISP] > or Tesco, [my previous one]. I would like to delete Tesco and add > Googlemail, leaving AOL as a backup. > All contributions would be gratefully received. > John Murray Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu Sep 24 15:46:39 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:46:39 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] External hard disk recommendation In-Reply-To: <37AC531A-7369-4D49-AFAF-A17F39C88171@mac.com> References: <58ab5cce0909232331t275407f5q83ff18cb786d164@mail.gmail.com> <37AC531A-7369-4D49-AFAF-A17F39C88171@mac.com> Message-ID: <00534EAD-87C1-4391-8186-C544C53B4578@durrant.co.uk> I've only had it a couple of days, but so far I'm very pleased with my Seagate FreeAgent|Desk for Mac. It's a 1TB (500GB/1TB/1.5TB/2TB) external hard disk with Firewire 800 and USB 2.0. http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/products/external/freeagent/freeagent_desk_mac/ I bought mine from dabs.com for ?93.81 and free delivery. Ordered on 14th, arrived 22nd. It seems to be discontinued at Dabs now which is odd. It seems to be at spam.com http://www.span.com/product_info.php?products_id=22687&source=gbaseuk¤cy=GBP What I like about it: No fan - so silent when not in operation. Held vertically with ventilation holes top and bottom, so it doesn't get too hot. Firewire 800 - to go with the firewire 800 on my new MacBook Pro Comes with Firewire 800/800 cable /and/ a firewire 800/400 cable. Quiet in operation too. Fast! What I don't like: External power supply. Although I haven't yet come across an external disk that doesn't use an external power supply... So - if your Mac has Firewire 800 and you don't yet have a Time Machine backup disk, I recommend the Seagate FreeAgent|Disk for Mac. regards, Paul From thegees at jennygee.f2s.com Thu Sep 24 16:31:38 2009 From: thegees at jennygee.f2s.com (Malcolm Gee) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:31:38 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] External hard disk recommendation In-Reply-To: <00534EAD-87C1-4391-8186-C544C53B4578@durrant.co.uk> References: <58ab5cce0909232331t275407f5q83ff18cb786d164@mail.gmail.com> <37AC531A-7369-4D49-AFAF-A17F39C88171@mac.com> <00534EAD-87C1-4391-8186-C544C53B4578@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Dear all, I second Paul's recommendation for the Seagate FreeAgent hard drive range for the Mac. I bought the 1.5GB model from Misco for around ?144, and delivery time was just under 24 hours!!! Malcolm. On 24 Sep 2009, at 15:46, Paul Durrant wrote: > I've only had it a couple of days, but so far I'm very pleased with my > Seagate FreeAgent|Desk for Mac. It's a 1TB (500GB/1TB/1.5TB/2TB) > external hard disk with Firewire 800 and USB 2.0. > > http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/products/external/freeagent/ > freeagent_desk_mac/ > > I bought mine from dabs.com for ?93.81 and free delivery. Ordered on > 14th, arrived 22nd. > > It seems to be discontinued at Dabs now which is odd. It seems to be > at spam.com > > http://www.span.com/product_info.php? > products_id=22687&source=gbaseuk¤cy=GBP > > What I like about it: > > No fan - so silent when not in operation. Held vertically with > ventilation holes top and bottom, so it doesn't get too hot. > Firewire 800 - to go with the firewire 800 on my new MacBook Pro > Comes with Firewire 800/800 cable /and/ a firewire 800/400 cable. > Quiet in operation too. > Fast! > > What I don't like: > External power supply. Although I haven't yet come across an external > disk that doesn't use an external power supply... > > > So - if your Mac has Firewire 800 and you don't yet have a Time > Machine backup disk, I recommend the Seagate FreeAgent|Disk for Mac. > > > regards, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug > From thegees at jennygee.f2s.com Thu Sep 24 16:36:50 2009 From: thegees at jennygee.f2s.com (Malcolm Gee) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 16:36:50 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] External hard disk recommendation In-Reply-To: References: <58ab5cce0909232331t275407f5q83ff18cb786d164@mail.gmail.com> <37AC531A-7369-4D49-AFAF-A17F39C88171@mac.com> <00534EAD-87C1-4391-8186-C544C53B4578@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <87F6408D-EF1E-4DFD-AB2E-E96AC8FFA9E0@jennygee.f2s.com> Correction: a slip of the keys -- Yes I meant 1.5TB not 1.5GB!!! On 24 Sep 2009, at 16:31, Malcolm Gee wrote: > Dear all, > > I second Paul's recommendation for the Seagate FreeAgent hard drive > range for the Mac. I bought the 1.5GB model from Misco for around > ?144, and delivery time was just under 24 hours!!! > > Malcolm. > > > On 24 Sep 2009, at 15:46, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> I've only had it a couple of days, but so far I'm very pleased >> with my >> Seagate FreeAgent|Desk for Mac. It's a 1TB (500GB/1TB/1.5TB/2TB) >> external hard disk with Firewire 800 and USB 2.0. >> >> http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/products/external/freeagent/ >> freeagent_desk_mac/ >> >> I bought mine from dabs.com for ?93.81 and free delivery. Ordered on >> 14th, arrived 22nd. >> >> It seems to be discontinued at Dabs now which is odd. It seems to be >> at spam.com >> >> http://www.span.com/product_info.php? >> products_id=22687&source=gbaseuk¤cy=GBP >> >> What I like about it: >> >> No fan - so silent when not in operation. Held vertically with >> ventilation holes top and bottom, so it doesn't get too hot. >> Firewire 800 - to go with the firewire 800 on my new MacBook Pro >> Comes with Firewire 800/800 cable /and/ a firewire 800/400 cable. >> Quiet in operation too. >> Fast! >> >> What I don't like: >> External power supply. Although I haven't yet come across an external >> disk that doesn't use an external power supply... >> >> >> So - if your Mac has Firewire 800 and you don't yet have a Time >> Machine backup disk, I recommend the Seagate FreeAgent|Disk for Mac. >> >> >> regards, >> >> Paul >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ >> listinfo/nmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug > From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu Sep 24 19:29:14 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:29:14 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] External hard disk recommendation In-Reply-To: <00534EAD-87C1-4391-8186-C544C53B4578@durrant.co.uk> References: <58ab5cce0909232331t275407f5q83ff18cb786d164@mail.gmail.com> <37AC531A-7369-4D49-AFAF-A17F39C88171@mac.com> <00534EAD-87C1-4391-8186-C544C53B4578@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <99A034D5-01CF-4B06-8A00-0E1E018DF623@durrant.co.uk> On 24 Sep 2009, at 15:46, Paul Durrant wrote: > What I don't like: > External power supply. Although I haven't yet come across an external > disk that doesn't use an external power supply... Correction - I meant "I haven't yet come across an external (3.5" or 'desktop') disk that..." It's one of the great things about 2.5" (portable) external hard drives with firewire that they can draw enough power from the firewire connection and don't need a mains power supply at all. But I wanted a disk that was /much/ bigger than my powerbook's hard drive (4x), and you don't (yet) get 1TB 2.5" disks. Paul From macman at f2s.com Thu Sep 24 19:58:58 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:58:58 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] External hard disk recommendation In-Reply-To: <99A034D5-01CF-4B06-8A00-0E1E018DF623@durrant.co.uk> References: <58ab5cce0909232331t275407f5q83ff18cb786d164@mail.gmail.com> <37AC531A-7369-4D49-AFAF-A17F39C88171@mac.com> <00534EAD-87C1-4391-8186-C544C53B4578@durrant.co.uk> <99A034D5-01CF-4B06-8A00-0E1E018DF623@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <580FD12B-1C35-48F3-8F43-6C40461159C1@f2s.com> ... not yet Paul, but give it a week or so .... ! Robbie On 24 Sep 2009, at 19:29, Paul Durrant wrote: But I wanted a disk that was /much/ bigger than my powerbook's hard drive (4x), and you don't (yet) get 1TB 2.5" disks. Paul _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From rbygrave at ntlworld.com Thu Sep 24 23:40:28 2009 From: rbygrave at ntlworld.com (Ruth Bygrave) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 23:40:28 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Airport ad-hoc network Message-ID: <2ABED0A8-417D-4F4C-BC96-8350FCA35512@ntlworld.com> I used to have my Macbook being a network so that smaller devices could connect to it (while it's on an Ethernet network). I cannot see any reference to this now in the Airport stuff. What have I forgotten? Regards, Ruth From paul at durrant.co.uk Fri Sep 25 03:44:40 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 03:44:40 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Airport ad-hoc network In-Reply-To: <2ABED0A8-417D-4F4C-BC96-8350FCA35512@ntlworld.com> References: <2ABED0A8-417D-4F4C-BC96-8350FCA35512@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <09202EC3-AF43-4C3D-8D8E-A26D899F19A8@durrant.co.uk> Set Airport to show in the menu bar (System Preferences/Network/Airport) From the menu bar menu, Airport (curving bars icon)/Create Network regards, Paul On 24 Sep 2009, at 23:40, Ruth Bygrave wrote: > I used to have my Macbook being a network so that smaller devices > could connect to it (while it's on an Ethernet network). I cannot see > any reference to this now in the Airport stuff. What have I forgotten? From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Fri Sep 25 08:41:12 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 08:41:12 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Stormtrooper 365... Hilarious Message-ID: Hi. This is off topic, but it is one of the funniest things I have seen in a long time so I thought I would share it with you all. http://www.flickr.com/photos/st3f4n/sets/72157616350171741/ Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Follow me on Twitter at http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From robharrington at mac.com Fri Sep 25 09:18:21 2009 From: robharrington at mac.com (ROB HARRINGTON) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 08:18:21 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] QMP emails not received Message-ID: <151957061208985770259152159060533736379-Webmail@me.com> Good morning I have a friend, a Mac user, who uses Quick Mail Pro for her emails. Occasionally, recipients say they have not received her email and there have been other occasions when she has not received theirs. This can happen even if she returns the sender's original email to them (sometimes sent to Mac Mail or gmail). Given that no error window pops up, she always assumes that the email has been sent and received. She has examined her email traffic on the server and the failed messages are not shown there, so where are they? Rob Harrington From paul at durrant.co.uk Fri Sep 25 09:22:31 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:22:31 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] QMP emails not received In-Reply-To: <151957061208985770259152159060533736379-Webmail@me.com> References: <151957061208985770259152159060533736379-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <4BE91311-2D5D-46C5-8CCD-A42C6297665A@durrant.co.uk> There are two separate problems here, even if they sounds similar. Messages that are sent to her and don't arrive: If they don't show up in the traffic on her server, then it's the sender's problem, or her ISP's problem (perhaps MX records aren't completely right), not a QMP problem. Messages that she sends that don't arrive: If they don't show up in the traffic on her server then it's a QMP problem - talk to the developers and try to isolate the problem. regards, Paul On 25 Sep 2009, at 09:18, ROB HARRINGTON wrote: > I have a friend, a Mac user, who uses Quick Mail Pro for her > emails. Occasionally, recipients say they have not received her > email and there have been other occasions when she has not received > theirs. This can happen even if she returns the sender's original > email to them (sometimes sent to Mac Mail or gmail). Given that no > error window pops up, she always assumes that the email has been > sent and received. She has examined her email traffic on the server > and the failed messages are not shown there, so where are they? From cruachan.beatus at googlemail.com Fri Sep 25 10:28:29 2009 From: cruachan.beatus at googlemail.com (Campbell) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:28:29 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Googlemail and iphoto Message-ID: <58ab5cce0909250228p377f8809j9da18c8443c43ef9@mail.gmail.com> Hello Richard, Oh woe is me, and thrice cursed. My Mac is of the Power PC G4 variety, whereas Picasa co-operates only when blessed with Intel. I don't suppose that you have a plan B? Many thanks, anyway, John. From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Fri Sep 25 10:30:00 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:30:00 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Flash/SSD Drive In PowerBook Message-ID: <7FF8F3A2-2CDC-4319-8F99-E7BBE0092D28@simonroyal.co.uk> Hi. On yet another crazy mission. I have been reading about people running old pre-G3 machines. This guy has a 1400cs running from Compact Flash. I have owned one of these and his does boot a lot quicker - plus its deadly silent. http://retromaccast.ning.com/video/1672786:Video:20281 I wondered if it was possible to do it with my PowerBook. I don't particularly want to replace the 80GB hard drive, but was thinking of using a PCMCIA to Compact Flash adapter. If the Compact Flash was big enough it could back up some of my very important files and also my Leopard installer. With this in mind it, it would need to be bootable. I would need about 8GB. I'm not sure if Compact Flash goes that high, if not a PCMCIA to SD reader might be an option if there is such a thing. Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Follow me on Twitter at http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Fri Sep 25 10:30:13 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:30:13 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] old emails Message-ID: Hi all Not sure if its Virgin mail up the spout or something more sinister? I have just received about 40 of my old emails that I sent to other people, even some from 2008 Any ideas what going on? Martin Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com From ricnev at mac.com Fri Sep 25 10:42:48 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:42:48 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Googlemail and iphoto In-Reply-To: <58ab5cce0909250228p377f8809j9da18c8443c43ef9@mail.gmail.com> References: <58ab5cce0909250228p377f8809j9da18c8443c43ef9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I didn't know that the newer version of Picasa was Intel only, sorry. However, for what you want to do, you don't need Picasa, just Picasa Web Albums, which my researches lead me to believe works with PPC Macs. On 25 Sep 2009, at 10:28, Campbell wrote: > Hello Richard, > Oh woe is me, and thrice cursed. > My Mac is of the Power PC G4 variety, whereas > Picasa > co-operates only when blessed with Intel. > I don't suppose that you have a plan B? > Many thanks, anyway, > John. > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Fri Sep 25 10:46:46 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 10:46:46 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Airport Card Wanted Message-ID: <0E1C22DB-EC6A-4295-B621-04108B38DDF6@simonroyal.co.uk> Hi. I am using a Buffalo WLI-CB-54G in my PowerBook PCMCIA slot. It is great, it is recognised as an Airport Extreme card (giving me Extreme speeds) and works without any drivers as it uses the same Broadcom chip as Apples cards. However, it is a bit unsightly, sticking out about an inch and it also hogs my card slot, which annoying as I also have a USB 2 card for when I need high speed USB. Does anyone have an older Airport Card that I can use internally. It is the original card not the Extreme. Also (and I think I have asked this before), is it true the Airport Card can handle WPA? I know most 11b cards stop at WEP but have read a lot of people claiming to have used it on a WPA encrypted network. Simon Royal --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Follow me on Twitter at http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal. Or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5) From ricnev at mac.com Fri Sep 25 11:00:10 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:00:10 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Googlemail and iphoto In-Reply-To: References: <58ab5cce0909250228p377f8809j9da18c8443c43ef9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: If Picasa Web Albums doesn't suit, you can put your pictures in a remote store, e.g. Dropbox http://www.getdropbox.com/ You then just send your friends/family a link to where your pictures are, and they can view or download them at their leisure. On 25 Sep 2009, at 10:42, Richard Nevill wrote: > > However, for what you want to do, you don't need Picasa, just Picasa > Web Albums, which my researches lead me to believe works with PPC > Macs. > > > On 25 Sep 2009, at 10:28, Campbell wrote: > >> Hello Richard, >> Oh woe is me, and thrice cursed. >> My Mac is of the Power PC G4 variety, whereas >> Picasa >> co-operates only when blessed with Intel. >> I don't suppose that you have a plan B? Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From david at vanedwards.co.uk Fri Sep 25 11:34:13 2009 From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 11:34:13 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Word for Mac hanging Message-ID: I know it's the spawn of the devil but it always worked after its fashion before, but now my Word for Mac hangs and won't open. Is there some preference file that I could try deleting? Or some other incantation? OS Tiger on a PPC Mac G5 Best wishes, David -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk From Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net Fri Sep 25 12:04:27 2009 From: Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net (Jeremy Webb) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:04:27 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] old emails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Martin They're doing all sorts of work at the moment all in the name of "improvements" of course but I'm checking webmail regularly. I've been telephoned on several occasions by various people wondering why I haven't replied to their emails, only to locate them through webmail in s spam folder or just sitting there in the inbox. Useless lot. Jeremy Webb Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net On 25 Sep 2009, at 10:30, Martin Fry wrote: > Hi all > > Not sure if its Virgin mail up the spout or something more sinister? > > I have just received about 40 of my old emails that I sent to other > people, even some from 2008 > > Any ideas what going on? > > Martin > > Martin Fry > www.martinfryphotography.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com Fri Sep 25 14:05:56 2009 From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:05:56 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Googlemail and iphoto In-Reply-To: <58ab5cce0909250228p377f8809j9da18c8443c43ef9@mail.gmail.com> References: <58ab5cce0909250228p377f8809j9da18c8443c43ef9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Not true, not true. I use Picassa, and I am on a PowerPC G5 and in Tiger! Ruth On 25 Sep 2009, at 10:28, Campbell wrote: > Hello Richard, > Oh woe is me, and thrice cursed. > My Mac is of the Power PC G4 variety, whereas > Picasa > co-operates only when blessed with Intel. > I don't suppose that you have a plan B? > Many thanks, anyway, > John. > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug > Ruth Murray ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com Ruth Murray Graphic Design and Illustration 01603 632334 Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk Fri Sep 25 16:12:29 2009 From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:12:29 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iWorks (misnomer?) Message-ID: <400E3356-2973-4E7F-AF4A-EE266F1B9963@themagic.me.uk> 2 days ago I used Numbers for the first time, creating a spreadsheet and entering numbers, saving continually (to the Desktop). Today when I opened this file, all the entries had gone except the headings so it was just like a Template but I had not saved it as such. I had not thought the app was very user-friendly but never expected to get it this far. What have I done wrong or omitted to do, please? Or should I look for another spreadsheet programme? Anthony From paul at durrant.co.uk Fri Sep 25 16:40:00 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:40:00 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iWorks (misnomer?) In-Reply-To: <400E3356-2973-4E7F-AF4A-EE266F1B9963@themagic.me.uk> References: <400E3356-2973-4E7F-AF4A-EE266F1B9963@themagic.me.uk> Message-ID: I'm inclined to suspect user error. It sounds to me like you may have made a mistake about where you were saving the file - check in the Numbers File menu/Open Recent If that doesn't help, do a search for numbers documents. As a last resort, check in time-machine and see if you can locate an earlier version of the file that still has data in it. If you were saving frequently, hopefully one of Time machine's hourly backups will have caught it. I haven't had any problems with Numbers. regards, Paul On 25 Sep 2009, at 16:12, Anthony Brahams wrote: > 2 days ago I used Numbers for the first time, creating a spreadsheet > and entering numbers, saving continually (to the Desktop). > > Today when I opened this file, all the entries had gone except the > headings so it was just like a Template but I had not saved it as > such. I had not thought the app was very user-friendly but never > expected to get it this far. > > What have I done wrong or omitted to do, please? Or should I look for > another spreadsheet programme? > > Anthony > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com Fri Sep 25 16:51:29 2009 From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:51:29 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Wacom tablets at Aldi Message-ID: <21641C4C-AF70-45BB-82E4-37E5DE0F6873@ruthmurray.f2s.com> HI folks I have just noticed that Aldi are selling Wacom Graphic Tablets I use one all the time, invaluable in my line of work! Ruth http://www.aldi.co.uk/uk/html/offers/2827_11342.htm? WT.mc_id=2009-09-25-16-40 From stuartfidler_uk at yahoo.co.uk Fri Sep 25 17:23:59 2009 From: stuartfidler_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Stuart Fidler) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:23:59 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [NMUG] Wacom tablets at Aldi In-Reply-To: <21641C4C-AF70-45BB-82E4-37E5DE0F6873@ruthmurray.f2s.com> Message-ID: <680184.14489.qm@web24104.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi Ruth, ? Good tip, Aldi have some good savings. I have had a quick look at the offer and it does not say if it is Mac compatable, is there any way of finding out? The reason I ask it that I have a Graphics Pad but it will only work on the Dark Side. ? Stuart --- On Fri, 25/9/09, Ruth Murray wrote: From: Ruth Murray Subject: [NMUG] Wacom tablets at Aldi To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" Date: Friday, 25 September, 2009, 4:51 PM HI folks I have just noticed that Aldi are selling Wacom Graphic Tablets I use one all the time, invaluable in my line of work! Ruth http://www.aldi.co.uk/uk/html/offers/2827_11342.htm? WT.mc_id=2009-09-25-16-40 _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From cruachan.beatus at googlemail.com Fri Sep 25 17:44:34 2009 From: cruachan.beatus at googlemail.com (Campbell) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:44:34 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] googlemail / iPhoto Message-ID: <58ab5cce0909250944w6ef38bc9p1debf8c37bd5dff9@mail.gmail.com> Hi Richard, Many thanks for your latest advice. Overwhelmed by house guests at the moment but shall attack the problem, as soon as time permits. You'll be the second to know! John From paul at durrant.co.uk Fri Sep 25 18:14:54 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:14:54 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Wacom tablets at Aldi In-Reply-To: <680184.14489.qm@web24104.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <680184.14489.qm@web24104.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <97CB56FB-6C7F-4813-889C-D01A63BBC76F@durrant.co.uk> Is this the Aldi on Dereham road? If anyone's passing and can make a note of the model number and price, it would be good to know. Paul On 25 Sep 2009, at 17:23, Stuart Fidler wrote: > > Good tip, Aldi have some good savings. I have had a quick look at > the offer and it does not say if it is Mac compatable, is there any > way of finding out? The reason I ask it that I have a Graphics Pad > but it will only work on the Dark Side. > > From: Ruth Murray > Subject: [NMUG] Wacom tablets at Aldi > Date: Friday, 25 September, 2009, 4:51 PM > > I have just noticed that Aldi are selling Wacom Graphic Tablets > > I use one all the time, invaluable in my line of work! > From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com Fri Sep 25 18:21:33 2009 From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:21:33 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Wacom tablets at Aldi In-Reply-To: <680184.14489.qm@web24104.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <680184.14489.qm@web24104.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: HI Stuart Perhaps if someone NMUG-ger goes up there they could let us all know? Unless they are saving all their pennies up for tomorrow morning? Ruth On 25 Sep 2009, at 17:23, Stuart Fidler wrote: > Hi Ruth, > > Good tip, Aldi have some good savings. I have had a quick look at > the offer and it does not say if it is Mac compatable, is there any > way of finding out? The reason I ask it that I have a Graphics Pad > but it will only work on the Dark Side. > > Stuart > > --- On Fri, 25/9/09, Ruth Murray wrote: > > > From: Ruth Murray > Subject: [NMUG] Wacom tablets at Aldi > To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" > Date: Friday, 25 September, 2009, 4:51 PM > > > HI folks > > I have just noticed that Aldi are selling Wacom Graphic Tablets > > I use one all the time, invaluable in my line of work! > > Ruth > > http://www.aldi.co.uk/uk/html/offers/2827_11342.htm? > WT.mc_id=2009-09-25-16-40 > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug > Ruth Murray ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com Ruth Murray Graphic Design and Illustration 01603 632334 Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com Fri Sep 25 18:22:27 2009 From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:22:27 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iWorks (misnomer?) In-Reply-To: <400E3356-2973-4E7F-AF4A-EE266F1B9963@themagic.me.uk> References: <400E3356-2973-4E7F-AF4A-EE266F1B9963@themagic.me.uk> Message-ID: <4D5F3620-74CB-4B03-A89A-4721B5AB2641@ntlworld.com> If you look for another Spread Sheet Program, Try Open Office from OpenOffice.org very compatible with Office Excel/Word as long as you change the 'save as' within the general settings, but I have Numbers and I'm not sure what has gone wrong with your file. Cheers Kerin On 25 Sep 2009, at 16:12, Anthony Brahams wrote: > 2 days ago I used Numbers for the first time, creating a spreadsheet > and entering numbers, saving continually (to the Desktop). > > Today when I opened this file, all the entries had gone except the > headings so it was just like a Template but I had not saved it as > such. I had not thought the app was very user-friendly but never > expected to get it this far. > > What have I done wrong or omitted to do, please? Or should I look for > another spreadsheet programme? > > Anthony > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Fri Sep 25 18:52:00 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:52:00 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Wacom tablets at Aldi In-Reply-To: <97CB56FB-6C7F-4813-889C-D01A63BBC76F@durrant.co.uk> References: <680184.14489.qm@web24104.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <97CB56FB-6C7F-4813-889C-D01A63BBC76F@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: There's also new one in Plumstead Road now, near the Heartsease Roundabout ... opened yesterday I'll maybe check it out when you're all in the Apple Store with the Antipodeans! Robbie On 25 Sep 2009, at 18:14, Paul Durrant wrote: Is this the Aldi on Dereham road? If anyone's passing and can make a note of the model number and price, it would be good to know. Paul On 25 Sep 2009, at 17:23, Stuart Fidler wrote: > > Good tip, Aldi have some good savings. I have had a quick look at > the offer and it does not say if it is Mac compatable, is there any > way of finding out? The reason I ask it that I have a Graphics Pad > but it will only work on the Dark Side. > > From: Ruth Murray > Subject: [NMUG] Wacom tablets at Aldi > Date: Friday, 25 September, 2009, 4:51 PM > > I have just noticed that Aldi are selling Wacom Graphic Tablets > > I use one all the time, invaluable in my line of work! > _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From robharrington at mac.com Fri Sep 25 18:59:37 2009 From: robharrington at mac.com (ROB HARRINGTON) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:59:37 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Quick Mail Pro problem In-Reply-To: <3962449939118655091444473270693179890-Webmail@me.com> References: <3962449939118655091444473270693179890-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <160453308749602313717156642730051891898-Webmail@me.com> Here is the thing- this problem I wrote about this morning about my friend who has sent and received some e-mails that never arrive and are not on her server either,using Quick Mail Pro - well as no-one so far has chipped in with any thoughts I am not sure whether that email done through her system has not also entered the black hole................... Just to spark some interest in case this one arrives she may have held the record for the number of items I found in her trash on one of her computers. 789,000. Took a long time to delete. Anyone beat that? Rob Harrington From paul at durrant.co.uk Fri Sep 25 20:00:25 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 20:00:25 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Quick Mail Pro problem In-Reply-To: <160453308749602313717156642730051891898-Webmail@me.com> References: <3962449939118655091444473270693179890-Webmail@me.com> <160453308749602313717156642730051891898-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: I saw your message this morning and responded at 09:22. Check the NMUG archive if you're unsure whether a message got through. and check your spam traps for my reply. http://server.durrant.co.uk/pipermail/nmug/ regards, Paul PS 789,000 is a lot of mail! On 25 Sep 2009, at 18:59, ROB HARRINGTON wrote: > Here is the thing- this problem I wrote about this morning about my > friend who has sent and received some e-mails that never arrive and > are not on her server either,using Quick Mail Pro - well as no-one > so far has chipped in with any thoughts I am not sure whether that > email done through her system has not also entered the black > hole................... > Just to spark some interest in case this one arrives she may have > held the record for the number of items I found in her trash on one > of her computers. 789,000. Took a long time to delete. Anyone beat > that? From paul at durrant.co.uk Fri Sep 25 20:34:54 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 20:34:54 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Quick Mail Pro problem In-Reply-To: References: <3962449939118655091444473270693179890-Webmail@me.com> <160453308749602313717156642730051891898-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <8C4AB17E-A060-4060-A9D3-C57C05EDBB71@durrant.co.uk> This came out a little sharper than I intended. Sorry. Paul On 25 Sep 2009, at 20:00, Paul Durrant wrote: > I saw your message this morning and responded at 09:22. > > Check the NMUG archive if you're unsure whether a message got through. > and check your spam traps for my reply. > > http://server.durrant.co.uk/pipermail/nmug/ From ken.hamer at stackyard.org Fri Sep 25 21:04:47 2009 From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:04:47 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Word for Mac hanging In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ABD225F.2040204@stackyard.org> David, This may be totally wrong for your particular situation, but in Word for Windows, hanging can be caused by a corrupted normal.dot file. It is possible that Word for MacOS suffers from the same problem. I don't have it on my Mac Mini so I can't confirm but try running a search for said file, if found, rename any you find and try Word again. In the Windows version, the file will be automatically recreated. It can hide in a few different places. Ken David Van Edwards wrote: > I know it's the spawn of the devil but it always worked after its > fashion before, but now my Word for Mac hangs and won't open. Is > there some preference file that I could try deleting? Or some other > incantation? > > OS Tiger on a PPC Mac G5 > > Best wishes, > > David > > From lizbarnard at btinternet.com Fri Sep 25 23:01:21 2009 From: lizbarnard at btinternet.com (Liz) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 23:01:21 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] All-in-one In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Now that Ryanair are not taking hold baggage any more I can?t take my beloved 12? PowerBook on my travels ? it weighs too much. What I really need is a machine that is a camera, video camera, mobile ?phone AND computer in one (thereby saving on the weight of four separate chargers too). Something capable of connecting to the internet is key, as is a keyboard able to accommodate fat fingers for my travel articles. Any suggestions? Liz From ricnev at mac.com Fri Sep 25 23:52:08 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 23:52:08 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] All-in-one In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2234A11B-3155-4527-8F85-9AA0D1175990@mac.com> Soon... (Perhaps) On 25 Sep 2009, at 23:01, Liz wrote: > Now that Ryanair are not taking hold baggage any more I can?t take my > beloved 12? PowerBook on my travels ? it weighs too much. What I > really > need is a machine that is a camera, video camera, mobile ?phone AND > computer > in one (thereby saving on the weight of four separate chargers too). > Something capable of connecting to the internet is key, as is a > keyboard > able to accommodate fat fingers for my travel articles. Any > suggestions? > > Liz > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From macman at f2s.com Sat Sep 26 00:20:59 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 00:20:59 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] All-in-one In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8E7A790A-1BA5-4A20-B470-061379FFAE8B@f2s.com> Sounds like the fabled Mac tablet! May be worth waiting a little longer. Think about it, though - to be a credible machine with a proper keyboard it has to be about the size of a netbook - would you really want to be holding that up to your ear to make a call? Or in front of you to take a photo? Maybe a slightly bigger iPhone, with a foldaway keyboard, headphones and a mike? Could perhaps be a workable compromise. Have a look at Andy Ihnatko's musings in the Chicago Sun-Times - he's been banging on about such a beast for most of the year, and did actually attend a preview of something rather good the other week (but it's not Apple.....) My midnight brainwave! How about a netbook - just screen and keyboard - with a removable iPhone docked in it like a mini version of the old Duo? No-one's suggested that so far! Any reason why not? The iPhone is a proper computer after all ..... Robbie On 25 Sep 2009, at 23:01, Liz wrote: Now that Ryanair are not taking hold baggage any more I can?t take my beloved 12? PowerBook on my travels ? it weighs too much. What I really need is a machine that is a camera, video camera, mobile ?phone AND computer in one (thereby saving on the weight of four separate chargers too). Something capable of connecting to the internet is key, as is a keyboard able to accommodate fat fingers for my travel articles. Any suggestions? Liz _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk Sat Sep 26 08:08:31 2009 From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 08:08:31 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iWorks (misnomer?) In-Reply-To: References: <400E3356-2973-4E7F-AF4A-EE266F1B9963@themagic.me.uk> Message-ID: <5A77130A-C2E2-4437-B47B-82C0A5322939@themagic.me.uk> Thanks, Paul. I, too, suspect user error but where? and can I prevent in future? are my worries. I've given up on the old figures and have re-entered as only about 30. I am finding strange things happening I did not expect, usually with no specific action from me. I may have to look for another program. Anthony On 25 Sep 2009, at 16:40, Paul Durrant wrote: > I'm inclined to suspect user error. > > It sounds to me like you may have made a mistake about where you were > saving the file - check in the Numbers File menu/Open Recent > > If that doesn't help, do a search for numbers documents. > > As a last resort, check in time-machine and see if you can locate an > earlier version of the file that still has data in it. If you were > saving frequently, hopefully one of Time machine's hourly backups will > have caught it. > > I haven't had any problems with Numbers. > > regards, > > Paul > > On 25 Sep 2009, at 16:12, Anthony Brahams wrote: > >> 2 days ago I used Numbers for the first time, creating a spreadsheet >> and entering numbers, saving continually (to the Desktop). >> >> Today when I opened this file, all the entries had gone except the >> headings so it was just like a Template but I had not saved it as >> such. I had not thought the app was very user-friendly but never >> expected to get it this far. >> >> What have I done wrong or omitted to do, please? Or should I look for >> another spreadsheet programme? >> >> Anthony >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From cruachan.beatus at googlemail.com Sat Sep 26 08:26:38 2009 From: cruachan.beatus at googlemail.com (Campbell) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 08:26:38 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Googlemail /iPhoto Message-ID: <58ab5cce0909260026m2142d882p3d74fcc10f6f604b@mail.gmail.com> Hi Ruth, You are indeed fortunate with G5, it would seem. When I have attempted to "Download Picasa 3.5 for Mac", the rotten blighters firstly excite me by assuring me that the programme is "For Mac. OSX 10.4.9+ " and then put the boot in. " Requires Intel CPU. " So it is back to Richard's Plan B, when I have a moment from my meeting and greeting duties...........unless you come up with Plan C ! Thanks for trying. John From ricnev at mac.com Sat Sep 26 08:33:03 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 08:33:03 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iWorks (misnomer?) In-Reply-To: <5A77130A-C2E2-4437-B47B-82C0A5322939@themagic.me.uk> References: <400E3356-2973-4E7F-AF4A-EE266F1B9963@themagic.me.uk> <5A77130A-C2E2-4437-B47B-82C0A5322939@themagic.me.uk> Message-ID: <39B58520-9A4A-45B4-9128-1DEFA048398B@mac.com> Have you tried familiarising yourself with the way Numbers does things before using it for a particular job? It does have a few quirks, so can cause a bit of confusion at first, particularly if you are used to another spreadsheet. It often helps to follow a few tutorials and knock up a sample spreadsheet or two to see how it all hangs together. Apple has some good tutorial videos at: http://www.apple.com/iwork/tutorials/#numbers And lynda.com has a free tutorial at: http://www.lynda.com/home/ViewCourses.aspx?lpk0=349 On 26 Sep 2009, at 08:08, Anthony Brahams wrote: > Thanks, Paul. I, too, suspect user error but where? and can I prevent > in future? are my worries. I've given up on the old figures and have > re-entered as only about 30. I am finding strange things happening I > did not expect, usually with no specific action from me. I may have to > look for another program. > Anthony > > On 25 Sep 2009, at 16:40, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> I'm inclined to suspect user error. >> >> It sounds to me like you may have made a mistake about where you were >> saving the file - check in the Numbers File menu/Open Recent >> >> If that doesn't help, do a search for numbers documents. >> >> As a last resort, check in time-machine and see if you can locate an >> earlier version of the file that still has data in it. If you were >> saving frequently, hopefully one of Time machine's hourly backups >> will >> have caught it. >> >> I haven't had any problems with Numbers. Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From brian at clearlight.uk.net Sat Sep 26 08:57:42 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 08:57:42 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iWorks (misnomer?) In-Reply-To: <5A77130A-C2E2-4437-B47B-82C0A5322939@themagic.me.uk> Message-ID: Have you verified your disk with Disk Utility and verified or repaired permissions. The fault is not innate to the program. There is not enough information to reveal the likely cause. But it does sound as if a template was saved instead of a document. regards Brian Anthony Brahams said recently: > Thanks, Paul. I, too, suspect user error but where? and can I prevent > in future? are my worries. I've given up on the old figures and have > re-entered as only about 30. I am finding strange things happening I > did not expect, usually with no specific action from me. I may have to > look for another program. > Anthony > > On 25 Sep 2009, at 16:40, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> I'm inclined to suspect user error. >> >> It sounds to me like you may have made a mistake about where you were >> saving the file - check in the Numbers File menu/Open Recent >> >> If that doesn't help, do a search for numbers documents. >> >> As a last resort, check in time-machine and see if you can locate an >> earlier version of the file that still has data in it. If you were >> saving frequently, hopefully one of Time machine's hourly backups will >> have caught it. >> >> I haven't had any problems with Numbers. >> >> regards, >> >> Paul >> >> On 25 Sep 2009, at 16:12, Anthony Brahams wrote: >> >>> 2 days ago I used Numbers for the first time, creating a spreadsheet >>> and entering numbers, saving continually (to the Desktop). >>> >>> Today when I opened this file, all the entries had gone except the >>> headings so it was just like a Template but I had not saved it as >>> such. I had not thought the app was very user-friendly but never >>> expected to get it this far. >>> >>> What have I done wrong or omitted to do, please? Or should I look for >>> another spreadsheet programme? >>> >>> Anthony >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: >>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From david at vanedwards.co.uk Sat Sep 26 09:24:06 2009 From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 09:24:06 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Word for Mac hanging In-Reply-To: <4ABD225F.2040204@stackyard.org> References: <4ABD225F.2040204@stackyard.org> Message-ID: Dear Ken, Thanks for this suggestion, however it seems from Spotlight that there isn't a file with that name in the Mac version. The problem seems intermittent so it's only a problem when someone sends me a Word file. And thanks too to David Miller, for suggesting corrupted fonts can cause the problem. But again my fonts appear to be all in order. But I'm very glad to discover thereby the fonts app, which I shall now use to prune the huge list of unused fonts! Do I really ever use Japanese and Hebrew fonts? Best wishes, David >David, > >This may be totally wrong for your particular situation, but in Word for >Windows, hanging can be caused by a corrupted normal.dot file. It is >possible that Word for MacOS suffers from the same problem. I don't >have it on my Mac Mini so I can't confirm but try running a search for >said file, if found, rename any you find and try Word again. In the >Windows version, the file will be automatically recreated. It can hide >in a few different places. > >Ken > >David Van Edwards wrote: >> I know it's the spawn of the devil but it always worked after its >> fashion before, but now my Word for Mac hangs and won't open. Is >> there some preference file that I could try deleting? Or some other >> incantation? >> >> OS Tiger on a PPC Mac G5 >> >> Best wishes, >> >> David >> >> >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk From alanbarber at mac.com Sat Sep 26 10:19:01 2009 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 10:19:01 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] chapelfield Message-ID: <33615169220452733903670863574059766720-Webmail@me.com> hi sent from the Apple store. on a macbook pro From band1 at mac.com Sat Sep 26 10:41:26 2009 From: band1 at mac.com (David King) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 10:41:26 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] chapelfield In-Reply-To: <33615169220452733903670863574059766720-Webmail@me.com> References: <33615169220452733903670863574059766720-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: Have you got the T Shirt? D On 26 Sep 2009, at 10:19, Alan Barber wrote: > hi > sent from the Apple store. > on a macbook pro > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From djpbet at polbet.co.uk Sat Sep 26 10:56:54 2009 From: djpbet at polbet.co.uk (Betty Pooley) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 10:56:54 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] chapelfield In-Reply-To: <33615169220452733903670863574059766720-Webmail@me.com> References: <33615169220452733903670863574059766720-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <7D8919961F564953AB6956F2229CA7F6@BettyPC> Couldn't stand in the long long long queue but easy to have words with staff at the door. What a welcome store, though. Looking forward to meeting you all at a meeting. Betty Pooley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Barber" To: "nmugs Group list" Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:19 AM Subject: [NMUG] chapelfield > hi > sent from the Apple store. > on a macbook pro > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com Sat Sep 26 12:26:10 2009 From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (Stefan Pietrzak Youngs) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:26:10 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Hello, I'm a Mac.. and he's a dork. Message-ID: <070D0407-3BC2-4206-9A3A-10731075F882@gmail.com> With appropriate smugness that you made the right choice, sit back, relax and check out these Microsoft ads: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2009/sep/25/microsoft-advertising From macman at f2s.com Sat Sep 26 12:36:27 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:36:27 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Hello, I'm a Mac.. and he's a dork. In-Reply-To: <070D0407-3BC2-4206-9A3A-10731075F882@gmail.com> References: <070D0407-3BC2-4206-9A3A-10731075F882@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0E8CD7CD-7802-41B6-B15C-095F7DEAF37E@f2s.com> Leo Laporte's having a party during a Macbreak Weekly broadcast - with his Mac running Windows 7 .... You get a free copy plus balloons & napkins: goody goody! Robbie On 26 Sep 2009, at 12:26, Stefan Pietrzak Youngs wrote: With appropriate smugness that you made the right choice, sit back, relax and check out these Microsoft ads: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2009/sep/25/microsoft-advertising _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From yahooist at anyisle.com Sat Sep 26 12:57:04 2009 From: yahooist at anyisle.com (Neil S.) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:57:04 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] chapelfield In-Reply-To: <7D8919961F564953AB6956F2229CA7F6@BettyPC> References: <33615169220452733903670863574059766720-Webmail@me.com> <7D8919961F564953AB6956F2229CA7F6@BettyPC> Message-ID: <46A137AC-EF9D-40B1-90BF-64E271B70FE9@anyisle.com> Are there any 1st day / weekend / week offers? Neil -- Sent from my ? iPhone On 26 Sep 2009, at 10:56, "Betty Pooley" wrote: > Couldn't stand in the long long long queue but easy to have words > with staff > at the door. > > What a welcome store, though. > > Looking forward to meeting you all at a meeting. > > Betty Pooley ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Barber" > To: "nmugs Group list" > Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:19 AM > Subject: [NMUG] chapelfield > > >> hi >> sent from the Apple store. >> on a macbook pro >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Sat Sep 26 12:59:42 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:59:42 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] chapelfield In-Reply-To: <46A137AC-EF9D-40B1-90BF-64E271B70FE9@anyisle.com> References: <33615169220452733903670863574059766720-Webmail@me.com> <7D8919961F564953AB6956F2229CA7F6@BettyPC> <46A137AC-EF9D-40B1-90BF-64E271B70FE9@anyisle.com> Message-ID: <964F5CEF-6F61-474C-80A1-98A485C6B9C1@durrant.co.uk> As far as I could tell the only special was the free T-shirts, which are now all gone. If you got a T-Shirt, and attend the next meeting (28th October), you / must/ wear it! :-) I'll be wearing mine.... (And no, I shouldn't have gone in. I'm still not over this wretched sore throat!) Paul On 26 Sep 2009, at 12:57, Neil S. wrote: > Are there any 1st day / weekend / week offers? > > Neil > > -- > Sent from my ? iPhone > > On 26 Sep 2009, at 10:56, "Betty Pooley" wrote: > >> Couldn't stand in the long long long queue but easy to have words >> with staff >> at the door. >> >> What a welcome store, though. >> >> Looking forward to meeting you all at a meeting. >> >> Betty Pooley ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Alan Barber" >> To: "nmugs Group list" >> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:19 AM >> Subject: [NMUG] chapelfield >> >> >>> hi >>> sent from the Apple store. >>> on a macbook pro >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: >>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From sc at davidviner.com Sat Sep 26 14:20:54 2009 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 14:20:54 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] chapelfield In-Reply-To: <964F5CEF-6F61-474C-80A1-98A485C6B9C1@durrant.co.uk> References: <33615169220452733903670863574059766720-Webmail@me.com> <7D8919961F564953AB6956F2229CA7F6@BettyPC> <46A137AC-EF9D-40B1-90BF-64E271B70FE9@anyisle.com> <964F5CEF-6F61-474C-80A1-98A485C6B9C1@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <4ABE1536.6080106@davidviner.com> Well, I went in and got deafened by the cheerleaders on the door. I whispered the customary "It's so sterile" as I walked in ;-) Nice to see that any Mac unattended for a few seconds seemed to start displaying the NMUG home page - I never saw anyone setting this and it definitely wasn't me doing it! I'm thinking that I will probably need to upgrade my various PPC Macs to an Intel version soonish so was looking at the iMac and mini (nearly ?2K for a tower is definitely out of the question). But, those keyboards...... I hadn't played with one before - ugh, what were they thinking? I was never keen on the original iMac keyboard with its lack of those "extra" keys in beween the main block and numeric keypad. But, a few months ago, David Van Edwards kindly gave me one of those white keyboards to go with an eMac I'd picked up off Freecycle - now THAT is a proper keyboard. The new ones - well, I can understand the comparisons with the ole rubber-keyed Sinclair Spectrum... is anyone else using one of them? If so, what do you think of it and is it easy to get used to? David Paul Durrant wrote: > As far as I could tell the only special was the free T-shirts, which > are now all gone. > > If you got a T-Shirt, and attend the next meeting (28th October), you / > must/ wear it! :-) > > I'll be wearing mine.... > > (And no, I shouldn't have gone in. I'm still not over this wretched > sore throat!) > > Paul > > > > On 26 Sep 2009, at 12:57, Neil S. wrote: > > >> Are there any 1st day / weekend / week offers? >> >> Neil >> >> -- >> Sent from my ? iPhone >> >> On 26 Sep 2009, at 10:56, "Betty Pooley" wrote: >> >> >>> Couldn't stand in the long long long queue but easy to have words >>> with staff >>> at the door. >>> >>> What a welcome store, though. >>> >>> Looking forward to meeting you all at a meeting. >>> >>> Betty Pooley ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Alan Barber" >>> To: "nmugs Group list" >>> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:19 AM >>> Subject: [NMUG] chapelfield >>> >>> >>> >>>> hi >>>> sent from the Apple store. >>>> on a macbook pro >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>>> Manage your subscription at: >>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From ricnev at mac.com Sat Sep 26 14:24:42 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 14:24:42 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] chapelfield In-Reply-To: <4ABE1536.6080106@davidviner.com> References: <33615169220452733903670863574059766720-Webmail@me.com> <7D8919961F564953AB6956F2229CA7F6@BettyPC> <46A137AC-EF9D-40B1-90BF-64E271B70FE9@anyisle.com> <964F5CEF-6F61-474C-80A1-98A485C6B9C1@durrant.co.uk> <4ABE1536.6080106@davidviner.com> Message-ID: <98BA3011-E4FB-465B-9CFB-22D6E69DAEAD@mac.com> What kind of vandal would think of being so crass!! ;-)) On 26 Sep 2009, at 14:20, David Viner wrote: > Nice to see that any Mac unattended for a few seconds seemed to start > displaying the NMUG home page - I never saw anyone setting this and it > definitely wasn't me doing it! Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From paul at durrant.co.uk Sat Sep 26 14:35:23 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 14:35:23 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] chapelfield In-Reply-To: <98BA3011-E4FB-465B-9CFB-22D6E69DAEAD@mac.com> References: <33615169220452733903670863574059766720-Webmail@me.com> <7D8919961F564953AB6956F2229CA7F6@BettyPC> <46A137AC-EF9D-40B1-90BF-64E271B70FE9@anyisle.com> <964F5CEF-6F61-474C-80A1-98A485C6B9C1@durrant.co.uk> <4ABE1536.6080106@davidviner.com> <98BA3011-E4FB-465B-9CFB-22D6E69DAEAD@mac.com> Message-ID: <1FF157D9-E1A8-46AB-A947-3ABDC0944C49@durrant.co.uk> We currently have 186 different email addresses registered. I'd guess we have around 150 actual members, as some will be additional email addresses for those with more than one. I'll be interesting to see if the number goes up significantly over the next week. Paul On 26 Sep 2009, at 14:24, Richard Nevill wrote: > What kind of vandal would think of being so crass!! > > ;-)) > > On 26 Sep 2009, at 14:20, David Viner wrote: > >> Nice to see that any Mac unattended for a few seconds seemed to start >> displaying the NMUG home page - I never saw anyone setting this and >> it >> definitely wasn't me doing it! From alanbarber at mac.com Sat Sep 26 14:41:02 2009 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 14:41:02 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] chapelfield In-Reply-To: References: <33615169220452733903670863574059766720-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <263255B9-2D78-4765-B4AB-3AED7C594F25@mac.com> Yes Regards Alan On 26 Sep 2009, at 10:41, David King wrote: > Have you got the T Shirt? > > D > > > On 26 Sep 2009, at 10:19, Alan Barber wrote: > >> hi >> sent from the Apple store. >> on a macbook pro >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ricnev at mac.com Sat Sep 26 14:53:02 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 14:53:02 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] chapelfield In-Reply-To: <4ABE1536.6080106@davidviner.com> References: <33615169220452733903670863574059766720-Webmail@me.com> <7D8919961F564953AB6956F2229CA7F6@BettyPC> <46A137AC-EF9D-40B1-90BF-64E271B70FE9@anyisle.com> <964F5CEF-6F61-474C-80A1-98A485C6B9C1@durrant.co.uk> <4ABE1536.6080106@davidviner.com> Message-ID: If you want an alternative to the Apple offerings, there are still a few of these Logitech white and brushed alumin(i)um wireless keyboard and mouse sets around, and they can be had for a good price now: http://tinyurl.com/yba5bm4 On 26 Sep 2009, at 14:20, David Viner wrote: > But, those > keyboards...... I hadn't played with one before - ugh, what were they > thinking? Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From sc at davidviner.com Sat Sep 26 15:27:45 2009 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 15:27:45 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] chapelfield In-Reply-To: References: <33615169220452733903670863574059766720-Webmail@me.com> <7D8919961F564953AB6956F2229CA7F6@BettyPC> <46A137AC-EF9D-40B1-90BF-64E271B70FE9@anyisle.com> <964F5CEF-6F61-474C-80A1-98A485C6B9C1@durrant.co.uk> <4ABE1536.6080106@davidviner.com> Message-ID: <4ABE24E1.1080905@davidviner.com> Thanks Richard! Richard Nevill wrote: > If you want an alternative to the Apple offerings, there are still a > few of these Logitech white and brushed alumin(i)um wireless keyboard > and mouse sets around, and they can be had for a good price now: > > http://tinyurl.com/yba5bm4 > > On 26 Sep 2009, at 14:20, David Viner wrote: > > >> But, those >> keyboards...... I hadn't played with one before - ugh, what were they >> thinking? >> > > Richard Nevill > ricnev at mac.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From ricnev at mac.com Sat Sep 26 15:56:01 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 15:56:01 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] chapelfield In-Reply-To: <263255B9-2D78-4765-B4AB-3AED7C594F25@mac.com> References: <33615169220452733903670863574059766720-Webmail@me.com> <263255B9-2D78-4765-B4AB-3AED7C594F25@mac.com> Message-ID: Have you unfolded the box? It's a typically Apple simple but elegant design, prettier on the inside than the outside, unless you prefer your Macs white! On 26 Sep 2009, at 14:41, Alan Barber wrote: > Yes > > Regards > > Alan > > > On 26 Sep 2009, at 10:41, David King wrote: > >> Have you got the T Shirt? >> Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From rbygrave at ntlworld.com Sat Sep 26 16:10:10 2009 From: rbygrave at ntlworld.com (Ruth Bygrave) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 16:10:10 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Chapelfield Message-ID: <253ED902-BE44-4DC3-B8CE-7AE45E573CFE@ntlworld.com> I have the t-shirt (w00t!); it says 'Chapelfield' on it. Really surprised as quite late in after massive queue, but worth it for lovely t-shirt and useful advice and plenty of shiny things to look at. Regards, "I don't need another shiny thing. Really" Ruth From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com Sat Sep 26 16:51:34 2009 From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 16:51:34 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] chapelfield In-Reply-To: <33615169220452733903670863574059766720-Webmail@me.com> References: <33615169220452733903670863574059766720-Webmail@me.com> Message-ID: <61A1D285-B370-4C37-948D-5FDAA279B88B@ruthmurray.f2s.com> Been there - got the T-shirt literally! Such a hoot! Never seen the staff of a store line dancing before! A very enthusiastic bunch! Lovely to see some NMUG stalwarts there, even those who "Don't do queuing"... you know who you are... It's good to finally have a store and to have somewhere in the city we can use our iTouch's. Kept my credit card securely in my pocket though - for now.... Ruth On 26 Sep 2009, at 10:19, Alan Barber wrote: > hi > sent from the Apple store. > on a macbook pro > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug > Ruth Murray ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com Ruth Murray Graphic Design and Illustration 01603 632334 Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com Sat Sep 26 16:52:55 2009 From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 16:52:55 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] chapelfield In-Reply-To: <4ABE1536.6080106@davidviner.com> References: <33615169220452733903670863574059766720-Webmail@me.com> <7D8919961F564953AB6956F2229CA7F6@BettyPC> <46A137AC-EF9D-40B1-90BF-64E271B70FE9@anyisle.com> <964F5CEF-6F61-474C-80A1-98A485C6B9C1@durrant.co.uk> <4ABE1536.6080106@davidviner.com> Message-ID: <576D6835-153E-46A9-8012-9F6DE9248571@ruthmurray.f2s.com> T'was I - I admit it! R On 26 Sep 2009, at 14:20, David Viner wrote: > > > Nice to see that any Mac unattended for a few seconds seemed to start > displaying the NMUG home page - I never saw anyone setting this and it > definitely wasn't me doing it! > > I > > David > > Paul Durrant wrote: >> As far as I could tell the only special was the free T-shirts, which >> are now all gone. >> >> If you got a T-Shirt, and attend the next meeting (28th October), >> you / >> must/ wear it! :-) >> >> I'll be wearing mine.... >> >> (And no, I shouldn't have gone in. I'm still not over this wretched >> sore throat!) >> >> Paul >> >> >> >> On 26 Sep 2009, at 12:57, Neil S. wrote: >> >> >>> Are there any 1st day / weekend / week offers? >>> >>> Neil >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from my ? iPhone >>> >>> On 26 Sep 2009, at 10:56, "Betty Pooley" >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Couldn't stand in the long long long queue but easy to have words >>>> with staff >>>> at the door. >>>> >>>> What a welcome store, though. >>>> >>>> Looking forward to meeting you all at a meeting. >>>> >>>> Betty Pooley ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Alan Barber" >>>> To: "nmugs Group list" >>>> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 10:19 AM >>>> Subject: [NMUG] chapelfield >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> hi >>>>> sent from the Apple store. >>>>> on a macbook pro >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>>>> Manage your subscription at: >>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ >>>> listinfo/nmug >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ >>> listinfo/nmug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ >> listinfo/nmug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug Ruth Murray ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com Ruth Murray Graphic Design and Illustration 01603 632334 Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net From djpbet at polbet.co.uk Sat Sep 26 17:02:58 2009 From: djpbet at polbet.co.uk (Betty Pooley) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:02:58 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] chapelfield In-Reply-To: <61A1D285-B370-4C37-948D-5FDAA279B88B@ruthmurray.f2s.com> References: <33615169220452733903670863574059766720-Webmail@me.com> <61A1D285-B370-4C37-948D-5FDAA279B88B@ruthmurray.f2s.com> Message-ID: <15EE19D0FD7A4E49A87DEDEB52625121@BettyPC> Like it. You don't know me yet but you soon will. I am very very very old but newly converted. I get my first workshop on Monday!!!! Betty Pooley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Murray" To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [NMUG] chapelfield > Been there - got the T-shirt literally! > > Such a hoot! Never seen the staff of a store line dancing before! A > very enthusiastic bunch! > > Lovely to see some NMUG stalwarts there, even those who "Don't do > queuing"... you know who you are... > > > > It's good to finally have a store and to have somewhere in the city > we can use our iTouch's. > > Kept my credit card securely in my pocket though - for now.... > > > Ruth > > > > > On 26 Sep 2009, at 10:19, Alan Barber wrote: > >> hi >> sent from the Apple store. >> on a macbook pro >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ >> listinfo/nmug >> > > Ruth Murray > ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com > > Ruth Murray > Graphic Design and Illustration > 01603 632334 > > Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From penguin.999 at virgin.net Sat Sep 26 17:06:13 2009 From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:06:13 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] New Apple Store Message-ID: <89586F67-C935-4B33-A683-253628E1A470@virgin.net> I have created a MobileMe album of some pictures I took today at the new Apple Store. They include a few familiar faces and I see that Alan features quite a lot but then again, he was first in the queue. The album allows downloading and uploading so feel free to grab a picture if you want or upload a few pictures of your own to add to it. I cut file sizes down to about 100-150kb to make loading easier but if anyone wants a particular photo in its original size then let me know and I will email it to you. They are in random time order and apart from making the file size smaller I have not done any editing. http://gallery.me.com/penguinsplj#100115 Quite a party atmosphere. Paul C From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com Sat Sep 26 17:06:28 2009 From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:06:28 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] chapelfield In-Reply-To: <15EE19D0FD7A4E49A87DEDEB52625121@BettyPC> References: <33615169220452733903670863574059766720-Webmail@me.com> <61A1D285-B370-4C37-948D-5FDAA279B88B@ruthmurray.f2s.com> <15EE19D0FD7A4E49A87DEDEB52625121@BettyPC> Message-ID: Looking forward to meeting you Betty. Was great to see some more women there (of a certain age). Apple will keep us trendy and young at heart! Welcome to NMUG. Ruth On 26 Sep 2009, at 17:02, Betty Pooley wrote: > Like it. You don't know me yet but you soon will. I am very very > very old > but newly converted. I get my first workshop on Monday!!!! > > Betty Pooley > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ruth Murray" > To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" > Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 4:51 PM > Subject: Re: [NMUG] chapelfield > > >> Been there - got the T-shirt literally! >> >> Such a hoot! Never seen the staff of a store line dancing before! A >> very enthusiastic bunch! >> >> Lovely to see some NMUG stalwarts there, even those who "Don't do >> queuing"... you know who you are... >> >> >> >> It's good to finally have a store and to have somewhere in the city >> we can use our iTouch's. >> >> Kept my credit card securely in my pocket though - for now.... >> >> >> Ruth >> >> >> >> >> On 26 Sep 2009, at 10:19, Alan Barber wrote: >> >>> hi >>> sent from the Apple store. >>> on a macbook pro >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ >>> listinfo/nmug >>> >> >> Ruth Murray >> ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com >> >> Ruth Murray >> Graphic Design and Illustration >> 01603 632334 >> >> Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug > Ruth Murray ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com Ruth Murray Graphic Design and Illustration 01603 632334 Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com Sat Sep 26 17:13:24 2009 From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:13:24 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] New Apple Store In-Reply-To: <89586F67-C935-4B33-A683-253628E1A470@virgin.net> References: <89586F67-C935-4B33-A683-253628E1A470@virgin.net> Message-ID: <80B21DD9-38CF-4F0A-A836-1E43A267CD36@ruthmurray.f2s.com> Thank you Paul - they're great. Captured the atmosphere perfectly. Wonderful Ruth On 26 Sep 2009, at 17:06, Paul Chapman wrote: > I have created a MobileMe album of some pictures I took today at the > new Apple Store. They include a few familiar faces and I see that Alan > features quite a lot but then again, he was first in the queue. The > album allows downloading and uploading so feel free to grab a picture > if you want or upload a few pictures of your own to add to it. I cut > file sizes down to about 100-150kb to make loading easier but if > anyone wants a particular photo in its original size then let me know > and I will email it to you. > > They are in random time order and apart from making the file size > smaller I have not done any editing. > > http://gallery.me.com/penguinsplj#100115 > > Quite a party atmosphere. > > Paul C > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug > Ruth Murray ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com Ruth Murray Graphic Design and Illustration 01603 632334 Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net From shaunwilkinson at mac.com Sat Sep 26 17:13:40 2009 From: shaunwilkinson at mac.com (Shaun Wilkinson) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:13:40 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] New Apple Store In-Reply-To: <89586F67-C935-4B33-A683-253628E1A470@virgin.net> References: <89586F67-C935-4B33-A683-253628E1A470@virgin.net> Message-ID: <699EB4C7-289A-498B-AFA6-6B55DC90F54A@mac.com> Cool, I'll check them out. I have added some photos to my Flickr account you can find them here http://www.flickr.com/photos/shaunwilkinson/sets/72157622333851949/ A short film will be up on youtube and Vimeo soon. Enjoy! Shaun Wilkinson http://www.flickr.com/photos/shaunwilkinson/ http://twitter.com/shaun_wilkinson www.dissfilmsociety.com Tel: 07891933121 Email: shaunwilkinson at mac.com On 26 Sep 2009, at 17:06, Paul Chapman wrote: > I have created a MobileMe album of some pictures I took today at the > new Apple Store. They include a few familiar faces and I see that Alan > features quite a lot but then again, he was first in the queue. The > album allows downloading and uploading so feel free to grab a picture > if you want or upload a few pictures of your own to add to it. I cut > file sizes down to about 100-150kb to make loading easier but if > anyone wants a particular photo in its original size then let me know > and I will email it to you. > > They are in random time order and apart from making the file size > smaller I have not done any editing. > > http://gallery.me.com/penguinsplj#100115 > > Quite a party atmosphere. > > Paul C > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From batchsteve at googlemail.com Sat Sep 26 17:18:25 2009 From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:18:25 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] New Apple Store In-Reply-To: <89586F67-C935-4B33-A683-253628E1A470@virgin.net> References: <89586F67-C935-4B33-A683-253628E1A470@virgin.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the pics, I slept through the event as I was working nights. I recognise one of the 'enthusiastic' employees as as a guy I used to work with. On 26 Sep 2009, at 17:06, Paul Chapman wrote: > http://gallery.me.com/penguinsplj#100115 From ricnev at mac.com Sat Sep 26 17:22:59 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:22:59 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] New Apple Store In-Reply-To: <89586F67-C935-4B33-A683-253628E1A470@virgin.net> References: <89586F67-C935-4B33-A683-253628E1A470@virgin.net> Message-ID: No editing?!! Where's number 5 gone, then?!!! Censorship, that's what I call it! On 26 Sep 2009, at 17:06, Paul Chapman wrote: > They are in random time order and apart from making the file size > smaller I have not done any editing. Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From penguin.999 at virgin.net Sat Sep 26 17:29:00 2009 From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:29:00 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] New Apple Store In-Reply-To: References: <89586F67-C935-4B33-A683-253628E1A470@virgin.net> Message-ID: On Sep 26, 2009, at 17:22, Richard Nevill wrote: > No editing?!! Where's number 5 gone, then?!!! > > Censorship, that's what I call it! I will reinstate number 5 if you like. I did take over 70 photos so there was some culling involved but no individual editing like cropping or light/dark etc. The group photo smiling at the camera was taken in Photo Booth from the MacBook in front of us. Paul From minkennison at mac.com Sat Sep 26 17:32:32 2009 From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:32:32 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] New Apple Store In-Reply-To: References: <89586F67-C935-4B33-A683-253628E1A470@virgin.net> Message-ID: <6091F0FD-0E03-421E-A5CD-DB963F17AB94@mac.com> Thanks for the pictures. They're great. When I went this afternoon much of the hype seemed to have gone although the store was busy. Much better than keep going to Cambridge!! Min On 26 Sep 2009, at 17:2926 Sep 2009, Paul Chapman wrote: > > On Sep 26, 2009, at 17:22, Richard Nevill wrote: > >> No editing?!! Where's number 5 gone, then?!!! >> >> Censorship, that's what I call it! > > I will reinstate number 5 if you like. I did take over 70 photos so > there was some culling involved but no individual editing like > cropping or light/dark etc. > > The group photo smiling at the camera was taken in Photo Booth from > the MacBook in front of us. > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ricnev at mac.com Sat Sep 26 17:41:52 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 17:41:52 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] New Apple Store In-Reply-To: References: <89586F67-C935-4B33-A683-253628E1A470@virgin.net> Message-ID: <0D12ED8C-1A47-4883-A2AE-A2CBA0163F00@mac.com> No need to reinstate - it was there long enough for me to recognise the long-haired gap-toothed fat guy - I see him every morning in the mirror and that's quite enough! On 26 Sep 2009, at 17:29, Paul Chapman wrote: > > On Sep 26, 2009, at 17:22, Richard Nevill wrote: > >> No editing?!! Where's number 5 gone, then?!!! >> >> Censorship, that's what I call it! > > I will reinstate number 5 if you like. I did take over 70 photos so > there was some culling involved but no individual editing like > cropping or light/dark etc. > > The group photo smiling at the camera was taken in Photo Booth from > the MacBook in front of us. I thought that group photo wasn't quite up to the same standard as all the others - your own camera must have resolution than the MacBook's iSight! Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Sat Sep 26 18:10:11 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:10:11 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] No Apple Store Visit For Me Message-ID: Hi. Sadly I couldnt make it to the store opening today, even though I was in Norwich. I had intended to go, covered in as much Apple bumpf as possible - badges, pins, patches, tattoos, hat and ipod showing etc in true geek style. Alas, that experience will have to wait for another day. Simon --- visit http://www.simonroyal.co.uk (sent using Nokia E65) From angieking at mac.com Sat Sep 26 21:23:06 2009 From: angieking at mac.com (Angie King) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 21:23:06 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Appleworks Message-ID: I am about to buy a new computer for my Dad (95 years young), probably a Macbook running Snow Leopard and wondered if anyone can tell me if he will be able to run Appleworks OR open his Appleworks documents from Pages? Thanks Angie King From ricnev at mac.com Sat Sep 26 21:30:32 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 21:30:32 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Appleworks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I found this which seems to say some or even most Appleworks documents will open OK in Pages under Snow Leopard: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-10359471-263.html Unless anyone else knows better? On 26 Sep 2009, at 21:23, Angie King wrote: > I am about to buy a new computer for my Dad (95 years young), > probably a Macbook running Snow Leopard and wondered if anyone can > tell me if he will be able to run Appleworks OR open his Appleworks > documents from Pages? > > Thanks > > Angie King > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From angieking at mac.com Sat Sep 26 21:33:31 2009 From: angieking at mac.com (Angie King) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 21:33:31 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Appleworks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Richard. On 26 Sep 2009, at 21:30, Richard Nevill wrote: > I found this which seems to say some or even most Appleworks documents > will open OK in Pages under Snow Leopard: > > http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-10359471-263.html > > Unless anyone else knows better? > > On 26 Sep 2009, at 21:23, Angie King wrote: > >> I am about to buy a new computer for my Dad (95 years young), >> probably a Macbook running Snow Leopard and wondered if anyone can >> tell me if he will be able to run Appleworks OR open his Appleworks >> documents from Pages? >> >> Thanks >> >> Angie King >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > Richard Nevill > ricnev at mac.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ghowells at f2s.com Sat Sep 26 23:41:59 2009 From: ghowells at f2s.com (G.Howells) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2009 23:41:59 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Appleworks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Angie. I have AppleWorks version 6.2.2 (printed on the AppleWorks disc) which it says is for "Mac OS 8.1 or later; built for Mac OS X". It worked as soon as I installed Snow Leopard (once it had downloaded Rosetta from the internet - if you are going to use AppleWorks you can do a custom install of Snow Leopard and tick the Rosetta box that will install Rosetta off that disc.) Later I discovered that the Arrange command for resizing drawings and photos didn't work. I did an uninstall (using the AppleWorks disc) and then reinstalled it and now everything seems to work ok. Thought I'd let you know that this might be necessary. Incidentally my Epson printer wouldn't work either until I had uninstalled and reinstalled its driver from the disc that came with the printer - downloading the prog from the Epson site didn't seem to work. Gordon. >I am about to buy a new computer for my Dad (95 years young), >probably a Macbook running Snow Leopard and wondered if anyone can >tell me if he will be able to run Appleworks OR open his Appleworks >documents from Pages? > >Thanks > >Angie King >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From turrethouse at talktalk.net Sun Sep 27 08:59:46 2009 From: turrethouse at talktalk.net (hugh morgan) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 08:59:46 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Appleworks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Angie For what it's worth, I use Appleworks 6.2.9 with Leopard without any problems but have not yet loaded Snow Leopard. >I am about to buy a new computer for my Dad (95 years young), >Angie King >_______________________________________________ From ricnev at mac.com Sun Sep 27 09:07:50 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:07:50 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Welcome back: Was:Re: Appleworks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13671206-32F7-41CB-AF17-746C5A9EA69E@mac.com> Hi, Hugh Glad to see you back on line - is your machine OK now? On 27 Sep 2009, at 08:59, hugh morgan wrote: > I use Appleworks 6.2.9 with Leopard without any > problems but have not yet loaded Snow Leopard. > Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From turrethouse at talktalk.net Sun Sep 27 09:08:14 2009 From: turrethouse at talktalk.net (hugh morgan) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:08:14 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Paul's Chapelfield album In-Reply-To: <89586F67-C935-4B33-A683-253628E1A470@virgin.net> References: <89586F67-C935-4B33-A683-253628E1A470@virgin.net> Message-ID: Many thanks Paul - excellent picturess which caught the party scene very well. Hugh. >I have created a MobileMe album of some pictures >http://gallery.me.com/penguinsplj#100115 > >Quite a party atmosphere. > >Paul C >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com Sun Sep 27 10:31:01 2009 From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:31:01 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard Install Message-ID: Hi, sorry to harp on about installing Snow Leopard, many people were asking if you can perform a clean install from the ?25 disc, well i've just found these three http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/171028/installing_snow_leopard_what_you_need_to_know.html (read the section about Why Erase and Install and Two Versions.) this http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=777681 and also http://www.youtube.com/user/bullychris#play/uploads/1/NhLUcng-kog It seems you can perform a clean install if you use Disc Utility which I did not :( never mind I'lll wait till I upgrade my hard drive next year Kerin From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com Sun Sep 27 10:37:41 2009 From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:37:41 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Tiger discs? Message-ID: <2A5CEC95-DC4D-435F-9B08-A293B1ACE544@ruthmurray.f2s.com> HI Now some of you have migrated to Leopard and the Snowy variety, does anyone want to sell me their Tiger disks? They will need to load onto a Powermac G5. Thank you Ruth From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Sun Sep 27 11:30:03 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:30:03 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Tiger discs? In-Reply-To: <2A5CEC95-DC4D-435F-9B08-A293B1ACE544@ruthmurray.f2s.com> References: <2A5CEC95-DC4D-435F-9B08-A293B1ACE544@ruthmurray.f2s.com> Message-ID: <45D4C4B4-EC70-4ABC-946B-3190821A92A2@simonroyal.co.uk> Ruth Why Tiger, why not Leopard? Simon On 27 Sep 2009, at 10:37, Ruth Murray wrote: > HI > > Now some of you have migrated to Leopard and the Snowy variety, does > anyone want to sell me their Tiger disks? > > They will need to load onto a Powermac G5. > > Thank you > > Ruth > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) From munkt0n at gmail.com Sun Sep 27 11:38:16 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:38:16 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] New Apple Store In-Reply-To: <89586F67-C935-4B33-A683-253628E1A470@virgin.net> References: <89586F67-C935-4B33-A683-253628E1A470@virgin.net> Message-ID: looks great, I'm amazed you weren't frogmarched out of the building by the chapelfield security, they really don't like people using cameras in their shopping centre, which must presumably be full of very well hidden state secrets On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Paul Chapman wrote: > I have created a MobileMe album of some pictures I took today at the > new Apple Store. They include a few familiar faces and I see that Alan > features quite a lot but then again, he was first in the queue. The > album allows downloading and uploading so feel free to grab a picture > if you want or upload a few pictures of your own to add to it. I cut > file sizes down to about 100-150kb to make loading easier but if > anyone wants a particular photo in its original size then let me know > and I will email it to you. > > They are in random time order and apart from making the file size > smaller I have not done any editing. > > http://gallery.me.com/penguinsplj#100115 > > Quite a party atmosphere. > > Paul C > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- :wq From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Sun Sep 27 11:53:41 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 11:53:41 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Safari Downloading Message-ID: Hi. I've been using Safari for a few weeks - after switching from Firefox and one thing is annoying me and I can't find how to turn it off. When you download something it automatically opens it. I download a lot of music - from free legal sites - and it will open iTunes and start playing it. How do you stop this? Simon Royal --- Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) From band1 at mac.com Sun Sep 27 12:01:51 2009 From: band1 at mac.com (David King) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:01:51 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Safari Downloading In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <88AED73D-33D5-48ED-A681-2C9626A5E38A@mac.com> In Safari preferences there is a box that says 'Open "safe" files after downloading'. If the box is ticked presumably it will if it is not presumably it won't. David. On 27 Sep 2009, at 11:53, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi. > > I've been using Safari for a few weeks - after switching from Firefox > and one thing is annoying me and I can't find how to turn it off. > > When you download something it automatically opens it. I download a > lot of music - from free legal sites - and it will open iTunes and > start playing it. How do you stop this? > > Simon Royal > --- > Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal > . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, > SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ricnev at mac.com Sun Sep 27 12:27:25 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:27:25 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] New Apple Store In-Reply-To: <89586F67-C935-4B33-A683-253628E1A470@virgin.net> References: <89586F67-C935-4B33-A683-253628E1A470@virgin.net> Message-ID: <17A9D738-B762-4E89-B3AE-318BA64548E6@mac.com> To reflect the American queueness of the first few hours, I've added AppleDisney. Taken with my iPhone, so not quite up to Paul's standard ;-) If you look closely at AppleDisney, there are quite a few logos around, all making some statement about the flavour of the event. On 26 Sep 2009, at 17:06, Paul Chapman wrote: > feel free to grab a picture > if you want or upload a few pictures of your own to add to it. Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From shaunwilkinson at mac.com Sun Sep 27 12:35:29 2009 From: shaunwilkinson at mac.com (Shaun Wilkinson) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:35:29 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] New Apple Store In-Reply-To: <17A9D738-B762-4E89-B3AE-318BA64548E6@mac.com> References: <89586F67-C935-4B33-A683-253628E1A470@virgin.net> <17A9D738-B762-4E89-B3AE-318BA64548E6@mac.com> Message-ID: <8EC0621C-AB00-4438-A6B0-27222E108CC5@mac.com> Here is a short film from the Opening of the Apple Store Norwich. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1DfW8DZh1Y shaun http://www.flickr.com/photos/shaunwilkinson/ http://twitter.com/shaun_wilkinson www.dissfilmsociety.com Tel: 07891933121 Email: shaunwilkinson at mac.com From dmillergbr at mac.com Sun Sep 27 12:47:53 2009 From: dmillergbr at mac.com (David Miller) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:47:53 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard Message-ID: <6D348FC6-1183-4B94-A0F2-25ED6716D827@mac.com> Hi I noticed Snow Leopard reports my HDD capacity differently to Leopard. This article explains why: http://lifehacker.com/5367910/force-snow-leopard-to-report-hard-drive-capacity-in-base-2 Thought you might be interested. David Miller I raise money for charity with Everyclick.com Join me: http://www.everyclick.com/norwichdoor2door From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com Sun Sep 27 14:13:30 2009 From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:13:30 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Tiger discs? In-Reply-To: <45D4C4B4-EC70-4ABC-946B-3190821A92A2@simonroyal.co.uk> References: <2A5CEC95-DC4D-435F-9B08-A293B1ACE544@ruthmurray.f2s.com> <45D4C4B4-EC70-4ABC-946B-3190821A92A2@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: I still like to have the Classic environment on my desktop, I run Leopard on my MacBook. Ruth On 27 Sep 2009, at 11:30, Simon Royal wrote: > Ruth > > Why Tiger, why not Leopard? > > Simon > > On 27 Sep 2009, at 10:37, Ruth Murray wrote: > >> HI >> >> Now some of you have migrated to Leopard and the Snowy variety, does >> anyone want to sell me their Tiger disks? >> >> They will need to load onto a Powermac G5. >> >> Thank you >> >> Ruth >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ >> listinfo/nmug >> > > Simon Royal > --- > Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/ > SimonRoyal > . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, > SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug > Ruth Murray ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com Ruth Murray Graphic Design and Illustration 01603 632334 Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Sun Sep 27 14:16:54 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:16:54 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Tiger discs? In-Reply-To: References: <2A5CEC95-DC4D-435F-9B08-A293B1ACE544@ruthmurray.f2s.com> <45D4C4B4-EC70-4ABC-946B-3190821A92A2@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: <95BD0453-8820-4973-B410-FA2D5C9E0B80@simonroyal.co.uk> Ruth Fair point. Simon On 27 Sep 2009, at 14:13, Ruth Murray wrote: > I still like to have the Classic environment on my desktop, I run > Leopard on my MacBook. > > Ruth > > > On 27 Sep 2009, at 11:30, Simon Royal wrote: > >> Ruth >> >> Why Tiger, why not Leopard? >> >> Simon >> >> On 27 Sep 2009, at 10:37, Ruth Murray wrote: >> >>> HI >>> >>> Now some of you have migrated to Leopard and the Snowy variety, does >>> anyone want to sell me their Tiger disks? >>> >>> They will need to load onto a Powermac G5. >>> >>> Thank you >>> >>> Ruth >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ >>> listinfo/nmug >>> >> >> Simon Royal >> --- >> Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/ >> SimonRoyal >> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, >> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ >> listinfo/nmug >> > > Ruth Murray > ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com > > Ruth Murray > Graphic Design and Illustration > 01603 632334 > > Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Sun Sep 27 14:25:10 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:25:10 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] New Apple Store In-Reply-To: <8EC0621C-AB00-4438-A6B0-27222E108CC5@mac.com> References: <89586F67-C935-4B33-A683-253628E1A470@virgin.net> <17A9D738-B762-4E89-B3AE-318BA64548E6@mac.com> <8EC0621C-AB00-4438-A6B0-27222E108CC5@mac.com> Message-ID: <120D2946-CA51-4D0A-B8FF-904F68398EFC@simonroyal.co.uk> Shaun Fantastic video. I wonder how many of those pouring in the door are true Apple fans and whether any of the t-shirts have been eBayed yet? Simon On 27 Sep 2009, at 12:35, Shaun Wilkinson wrote: > Here is a short film from the Opening of the Apple Store Norwich. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1DfW8DZh1Y > > shaun > > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/shaunwilkinson/ > > http://twitter.com/shaun_wilkinson > > www.dissfilmsociety.com > > Tel: 07891933121 > > Email: shaunwilkinson at mac.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk Sun Sep 27 14:50:52 2009 From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 14:50:52 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] New Apple Store In-Reply-To: <120D2946-CA51-4D0A-B8FF-904F68398EFC@simonroyal.co.uk> References: <89586F67-C935-4B33-A683-253628E1A470@virgin.net> <17A9D738-B762-4E89-B3AE-318BA64548E6@mac.com> <8EC0621C-AB00-4438-A6B0-27222E108CC5@mac.com> <120D2946-CA51-4D0A-B8FF-904F68398EFC@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: Snob!, I was there yesterday and while some of the schoolkids might not have been I reckon most people there were Apple oriented. (Or at least curious...) Quite a few UEA students too, the Apple education deals are said to be quite good. It was surprising how many people were there and the age spread. Pretty amazing too to see youngsters sitting down in front of a Mac and just getting on with it. Especially as Apple have kiddy sized tables too so they couldn't get bounced off by spotty teenagers who were pretty quick to migrate to the laptops. The Genius Bar was in full swing as well. I have some pix and video I may get round to posting, as I videoed going in through the line of staff. Wow! Wonder if some of the staff have yet to come off the ceiling yet. Steven Jefferson steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk On 27 Sep 2009, at 14:25, Simon Royal wrote: > Shaun > > Fantastic video. I wonder how many of those pouring in the door are > true Apple fans and whether any of the t-shirts have been eBayed yet? > > Simon > > On 27 Sep 2009, at 12:35, Shaun Wilkinson wrote: > >> Here is a short film from the Opening of the Apple Store Norwich. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1DfW8DZh1Y >> >> shaun >> >> >> >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/shaunwilkinson/ >> >> http://twitter.com/shaun_wilkinson >> >> www.dissfilmsociety.com >> >> Tel: 07891933121 >> >> Email: shaunwilkinson at mac.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > Simon Royal > --- > Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal > . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, > SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From batchsteve at googlemail.com Sun Sep 27 15:07:04 2009 From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:07:04 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] New Apple Store In-Reply-To: References: <89586F67-C935-4B33-A683-253628E1A470@virgin.net> <17A9D738-B762-4E89-B3AE-318BA64548E6@mac.com> <8EC0621C-AB00-4438-A6B0-27222E108CC5@mac.com> <120D2946-CA51-4D0A-B8FF-904F68398EFC@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: Remember that being an Apple fan does not necessarily make you a fan of Mac, a lot of people would have been there to check out "teh ipodz". Also students who just started in September have a student loan burning a hole in their pocket itching to be spent on booze, gigs and gadgets. As for the staff, it reminds me of when UCI cinemas opened in Norwich and at first the staff were hyper-super-crazy about film but now if you ask about a film they have to read the description of it off their terminal as they have no idea. Do I sound grumpy today? Steve. On 27 Sep 2009, at 14:50, Steven Jefferson wrote: > I reckon most people there were Apple oriented From minkennison at mac.com Sun Sep 27 15:11:44 2009 From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:11:44 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] New Apple Store In-Reply-To: References: <89586F67-C935-4B33-A683-253628E1A470@virgin.net> <17A9D738-B762-4E89-B3AE-318BA64548E6@mac.com> <8EC0621C-AB00-4438-A6B0-27222E108CC5@mac.com> <120D2946-CA51-4D0A-B8FF-904F68398EFC@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: <072F0FC9-7ADE-4071-8C4B-9A3FA6149FED@mac.com> Yes On 27 Sep 2009, at 15:0727 Sep 2009, Steve Batch wrote: > > Remember that being an Apple fan does not necessarily make you a fan > of Mac, a lot of people would have been there to check out "teh > ipodz". > > Also students who just started in September have a student loan > burning a hole in their pocket itching to be spent on booze, gigs and > gadgets. > > As for the staff, it reminds me of when UCI cinemas opened in Norwich > and at first the staff were hyper-super-crazy about film but now if > you ask about a film they have to read the description of it off their > terminal as they have no idea. > > Do I sound grumpy today? > > Steve. > > > > On 27 Sep 2009, at 14:50, Steven Jefferson wrote: > >> I reckon most people there were Apple oriented > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Sun Sep 27 16:55:01 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 16:55:01 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] New Apple Store In-Reply-To: References: <89586F67-C935-4B33-A683-253628E1A470@virgin.net> <17A9D738-B762-4E89-B3AE-318BA64548E6@mac.com> <8EC0621C-AB00-4438-A6B0-27222E108CC5@mac.com> <120D2946-CA51-4D0A-B8FF-904F68398EFC@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: <23BF7EF9-EC8C-4648-A27D-ABB0B77824D9@f2s.com> My experience of staff in other Apple Stores which have been open for some time is that they know their products and continue to appear motivated and enthusiastic. We all know how controlling the company is at all levels, so this could, of course, be caused by fear or bullying, or perhaps financial reward, but I would like to think it's genuine, and perhaps it is a bit different from 'working in a shop or cinema' (or worse, flogging warranties in PCW ....) Robbie On 27 Sep 2009, at 15:07, Steve Batch wrote: As for the staff, it reminds me of when UCI cinemas opened in Norwich and at first the staff were hyper-super-crazy about film but now if you ask about a film they have to read the description of it off their terminal as they have no idea. Do I sound grumpy today? Steve. On 27 Sep 2009, at 14:50, Steven Jefferson wrote: > I reckon most people there were Apple oriented _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From fowler.j at me.com Sun Sep 27 17:08:26 2009 From: fowler.j at me.com (Jon Fowler) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 17:08:26 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] New Apple Store In-Reply-To: <23BF7EF9-EC8C-4648-A27D-ABB0B77824D9@f2s.com> References: <89586F67-C935-4B33-A683-253628E1A470@virgin.net> <17A9D738-B762-4E89-B3AE-318BA64548E6@mac.com> <8EC0621C-AB00-4438-A6B0-27222E108CC5@mac.com> <120D2946-CA51-4D0A-B8FF-904F68398EFC@simonroyal.co.uk> <23BF7EF9-EC8C-4648-A27D-ABB0B77824D9@f2s.com> Message-ID: <5F3DD8AE-1D94-4F77-9579-E95161AD6055@me.com> I think some infantile minds need to revisit the PCW mentalities. A number of the apple store's employees have come from PCW! Sent from my iPhone On 27 Sep 2009, at 16:55, Robbie Murray wrote: > My experience of staff in other Apple Stores which have been open for > some time is that they know their products and continue to appear > motivated and enthusiastic. We all know how controlling the company > is at all levels, so this could, of course, be caused by fear or > bullying, or perhaps financial reward, but I would like to think it's > genuine, and perhaps it is a bit different from 'working in a shop or > cinema' (or worse, flogging warranties in PCW ....) > > Robbie > > > On 27 Sep 2009, at 15:07, Steve Batch wrote: > > As for the staff, it reminds me of when UCI cinemas opened in Norwich > and at first the staff were hyper-super-crazy about film but now if > you ask about a film they have to read the description of it off their > terminal as they have no idea. > > Do I sound grumpy today? > > Steve. > > > > On 27 Sep 2009, at 14:50, Steven Jefferson wrote: > >> I reckon most people there were Apple oriented > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From alanbarber at mac.com Sun Sep 27 18:03:55 2009 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:03:55 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] New Apple Store In-Reply-To: <8EC0621C-AB00-4438-A6B0-27222E108CC5@mac.com> References: <89586F67-C935-4B33-A683-253628E1A470@virgin.net> <17A9D738-B762-4E89-B3AE-318BA64548E6@mac.com> <8EC0621C-AB00-4438-A6B0-27222E108CC5@mac.com> Message-ID: <97D2302D-355E-4A44-840A-8ED6E290F121@mac.com> Brilliant Thanks so much Regards Alan On 27 Sep 2009, at 12:35, Shaun Wilkinson wrote: > Here is a short film from the Opening of the Apple Store Norwich. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1DfW8DZh1Y > > shaun > > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/shaunwilkinson/ > > http://twitter.com/shaun_wilkinson > > www.dissfilmsociety.com > > Tel: 07891933121 > > Email: shaunwilkinson at mac.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ricnev at mac.com Sun Sep 27 18:11:20 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:11:20 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] New Apple Store In-Reply-To: <97D2302D-355E-4A44-840A-8ED6E290F121@mac.com> References: <89586F67-C935-4B33-A683-253628E1A470@virgin.net> <17A9D738-B762-4E89-B3AE-318BA64548E6@mac.com> <8EC0621C-AB00-4438-A6B0-27222E108CC5@mac.com> <97D2302D-355E-4A44-840A-8ED6E290F121@mac.com> Message-ID: You picked the right colour shirt to wear yesterday, Alan. You seem to be prominent in most pictures and videos of the opening I have looked at! On 27 Sep 2009, at 18:03, Alan Barber wrote: > Brilliant > Thanks so much > > Regards > > Alan > > > On 27 Sep 2009, at 12:35, Shaun Wilkinson wrote: > >> Here is a short film from the Opening of the Apple Store Norwich. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1DfW8DZh1Y >> >> Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From macman at f2s.com Sun Sep 27 18:23:48 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 18:23:48 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] New Apple Store In-Reply-To: <97D2302D-355E-4A44-840A-8ED6E290F121@mac.com> References: <89586F67-C935-4B33-A683-253628E1A470@virgin.net> <17A9D738-B762-4E89-B3AE-318BA64548E6@mac.com> <8EC0621C-AB00-4438-A6B0-27222E108CC5@mac.com> <97D2302D-355E-4A44-840A-8ED6E290F121@mac.com> Message-ID: Star of the show Alan - Can I have your autograph? (P.S. The beans were delicious...) :-) Robbie On 27 Sep 2009, at 18:03, Alan Barber wrote: Brilliant Thanks so much Regards Alan On 27 Sep 2009, at 12:35, Shaun Wilkinson wrote: > Here is a short film from the Opening of the Apple Store Norwich. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1DfW8DZh1Y > > shaun > > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/shaunwilkinson/ > > http://twitter.com/shaun_wilkinson > > www.dissfilmsociety.com > > Tel: 07891933121 > > Email: shaunwilkinson at mac.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From penguin.999 at virgin.net Mon Sep 28 07:23:25 2009 From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 07:23:25 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] The new Apple Store...again Message-ID: <289946EE-E775-4615-8253-1B7E83E266FD@virgin.net> OK, so who did this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SDPB_1d_L0 Paul C From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk Mon Sep 28 07:31:22 2009 From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 07:31:22 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] New Apple Store In-Reply-To: <5F3DD8AE-1D94-4F77-9579-E95161AD6055@me.com> References: <89586F67-C935-4B33-A683-253628E1A470@virgin.net> <17A9D738-B762-4E89-B3AE-318BA64548E6@mac.com> <8EC0621C-AB00-4438-A6B0-27222E108CC5@mac.com> <120D2946-CA51-4D0A-B8FF-904F68398EFC@simonroyal.co.uk> <23BF7EF9-EC8C-4648-A27D-ABB0B77824D9@f2s.com> <5F3DD8AE-1D94-4F77-9579-E95161AD6055@me.com> Message-ID: <9DF938AF-540F-4647-A9C3-A80CE9242F6C@zen.co.uk> Where you one of those people having public dance sessions then running around Chapelfield a whooping & a hollerin? Steven Jefferson steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk On 27 Sep 2009, at 17:08, Jon Fowler wrote: > I think some infantile minds need to revisit the PCW mentalities. A > number of the apple store's employees have come from PCW! > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 27 Sep 2009, at 16:55, Robbie Murray wrote: > >> My experience of staff in other Apple Stores which have been open for >> some time is that they know their products and continue to appear >> motivated and enthusiastic. We all know how controlling the company >> is at all levels, so this could, of course, be caused by fear or >> bullying, or perhaps financial reward, but I would like to think it's >> genuine, and perhaps it is a bit different from 'working in a shop or >> cinema' (or worse, flogging warranties in PCW ....) >> >> Robbie >> >> >> On 27 Sep 2009, at 15:07, Steve Batch wrote: >> >> As for the staff, it reminds me of when UCI cinemas opened in Norwich >> and at first the staff were hyper-super-crazy about film but now if >> you ask about a film they have to read the description of it off >> their >> terminal as they have no idea. >> >> Do I sound grumpy today? >> >> Steve. >> >> >> >> On 27 Sep 2009, at 14:50, Steven Jefferson wrote: >> >>> I reckon most people there were Apple oriented >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From batchsteve at googlemail.com Mon Sep 28 07:59:35 2009 From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 07:59:35 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] The new Apple Store...again In-Reply-To: <289946EE-E775-4615-8253-1B7E83E266FD@virgin.net> References: <289946EE-E775-4615-8253-1B7E83E266FD@virgin.net> Message-ID: Awesome! On 28 Sep 2009, at 07:23, Paul Chapman wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SDPB_1d_L0 From alanbarber at mac.com Mon Sep 28 08:09:06 2009 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 08:09:06 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] The new Apple Store...again In-Reply-To: <289946EE-E775-4615-8253-1B7E83E266FD@virgin.net> References: <289946EE-E775-4615-8253-1B7E83E266FD@virgin.net> Message-ID: <0CFE2183-24FC-4441-99C6-EE9C4794BBDC@mac.com> Fantastic - who ever did it I hope they do actually live in Norwich. Very clever - does anyone actually have 20 ipods? If not how many? I'll start the bidding with 3 inc a touch Regards Alan On 28 Sep 2009, at 07:23, Paul Chapman wrote: > OK, so who did this one? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SDPB_1d_L0 > > > Paul C > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Mon Sep 28 09:28:00 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:28:00 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Ti Help From Balkins Message-ID: Hi. I have been contacted by a guy in the Balkins (not sure where that is), who is having problems with his 1Ghz TiBook. It all works fine, except the screen brightness. I checked mine and it sits on about 8 (when you do the F1-F2 screen brightness), when he gets to about 4, the screen is so bright it is unusable. This doesn't give me a lot of scope as you can imagine. He is running Leopard and it was working fine until he upgraded to 10.5.8 which was also the time he hooked up an external monitor. I have asked his to reset the pram and nvram which hasn't helped. The 1Ghz had a lot of problems with the video chips and a sign they are failing was the video RAM would only show 32MB (instead of 64MB), but this isn't the case. Any ideas. Simon Royal --- Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) From brian at clearlight.uk.net Mon Sep 28 09:48:52 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:48:52 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Ti Help From Balkins In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Try clicking 'detect displays' from display Control Panel? can they re calibrate it from display Control Panel? I suspect you mean the Balkans. all the best Brian Simon Royal said recently: > Hi. > > I have been contacted by a guy in the Balkins (not sure where that > is), who is having problems with his 1Ghz TiBook. > > It all works fine, except the screen brightness. I checked mine and it > sits on about 8 (when you do the F1-F2 screen brightness), when he > gets to about 4, the screen is so bright it is unusable. This doesn't > give me a lot of scope as you can imagine. > > He is running Leopard and it was working fine until he upgraded to > 10.5.8 which was also the time he hooked up an external monitor. > > I have asked his to reset the pram and nvram which hasn't helped. The > 1Ghz had a lot of problems with the video chips and a sign they are > failing was the video RAM would only show 32MB (instead of 64MB), but > this isn't the case. > > Any ideas. > > > Simon Royal > --- > Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal > . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, > SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Mon Sep 28 09:50:32 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:50:32 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] The new Apple Store...again In-Reply-To: <289946EE-E775-4615-8253-1B7E83E266FD@virgin.net> References: <289946EE-E775-4615-8253-1B7E83E266FD@virgin.net> Message-ID: <18F59169-09C4-4342-B7DC-F3E3762083A2@simonroyal.co.uk> Hi. Well if anyone fancies an mp3 version of this. http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/Apple-Norwich-Store-Tribute-Song.mp3 Simon On 28 Sep 2009, at 07:23, Paul Chapman wrote: > OK, so who did this one? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SDPB_1d_L0 > > > Paul C > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Mon Sep 28 09:56:18 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 09:56:18 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] The new Apple Store...again In-Reply-To: <289946EE-E775-4615-8253-1B7E83E266FD@virgin.net> References: <289946EE-E775-4615-8253-1B7E83E266FD@virgin.net> Message-ID: <0F40564C-E36E-4589-A654-767AEFC71AC6@virgin.net> Hi Paul This is brilliant!!! I didn't know you could sing so well Pauyl Martin Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com > OK, so who did this one? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SDPB_1d_L0 > > > Paul C > From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Mon Sep 28 10:12:23 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:12:23 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] 10.5.8 & SPOD Message-ID: Hi. Leopard has always run pretty well on my aging TiBook. However, since upgrading to 10.5.8 I have noticed a lot more 'spinning pizzas of death'. Apps do not crash, they just take a bit longer to process things at times - even the Finder - and then I see the spod for a few seconds. I upgraded to the latest version of iTunes a couple of days ago and this has been even worse. I know my machine is a little old, but it is officially supported by Leopard (albiet only just) and never had a problem before. Anyone else noticed a lot more spinning wheels in 10.5.8? Simon Royal --- Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Mon Sep 28 11:00:32 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:00:32 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Orange To Get iPhone Message-ID: <874AE133-97D4-471C-AEB9-AF1C5CF12CB9@simonroyal.co.uk> Hi. It looks like Orange are to get the iPhone next. Not sure whether it will mean an end to the deal with O2 or whether it will be with both. The first Orange iPhones should be this year. Simon Royal --- Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com Mon Sep 28 11:11:18 2009 From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (Stefan Pietrzak Youngs) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:11:18 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] PCW menatlities In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 28 Sep 2009, at 09:50, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote: > Subject: Re: [NMUG] New Apple Store > To: Norwich Mac User Group list > > > I think some infantile minds need to revisit the PCW mentalities. A > number of the apple store's employees have come from PCW! I can only speak from my experience of working with Jon Fowler at PCW. He's an Apple employee and has proven to be knowledgeable and very attentive so far5 as I am concerned. It's maybe OK to have a wee go at PCW from the PC perspective but I'd hope we would exclude the Apple presence in this store from criticism. Seems a lot of Jon Fowler's sales are conversions of folks walking in intending to pay ?149 for a fully loaded PC and walking out with a ?999 Mac, so all power to the converter I say! As a matter of principle I don't speak with PC salesmen, though I do carry a phrasebook in case of emergencies. From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Mon Sep 28 11:15:00 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:15:00 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Ti Help From Balkins In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <594AEEB0-166C-456B-91EB-8C00A8C0F036@virgin.net> On 28 Sep 2009, at 09:28, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi. > > I have been contacted by a guy in the Balkins (not sure where that > is), > It's between the knees and the waist. Hope this helps Nathan From david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk Mon Sep 28 11:17:49 2009 From: david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk (David Reynolds) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:17:49 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Orange To Get iPhone In-Reply-To: <874AE133-97D4-471C-AEB9-AF1C5CF12CB9@simonroyal.co.uk> References: <874AE133-97D4-471C-AEB9-AF1C5CF12CB9@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: <46308BE5-CD0B-4828-B7FA-9CEDD4082BF7@reynoldsfamily.org.uk> On 28 Sep 2009, at 11:00, Simon Royal wrote: > It looks like Orange are to get the iPhone next. Not sure whether it > will mean an end to the deal with O2 or whether it will be with both. > > The first Orange iPhones should be this year. O2 say their relationship is continuing too [0]. Hopefully this might mean some more competitive pricing though! 0-http://blog.o2.co.uk/home/2009/09/o2-iphone-update.html -- David Reynolds david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk From david at vanedwards.co.uk Mon Sep 28 11:35:13 2009 From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:35:13 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Do we recognise ourselves? Message-ID: He would have hated the Chapelfiel opening I suspect! http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/sep/28/charlie-brooker-microsoft-mac-windows or if that gets messed up by your email http://tinyurl.com/ycuxrj7 It ends up being rather a paean in praise of Mac's superiotity, a kind of understated advert for us! Best wishes, David -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk From macman at f2s.com Mon Sep 28 12:32:00 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:32:00 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Ti Help From Balkins In-Reply-To: <594AEEB0-166C-456B-91EB-8C00A8C0F036@virgin.net> References: <594AEEB0-166C-456B-91EB-8C00A8C0F036@virgin.net> Message-ID: <42F13759-2133-4D5E-BBB0-AAAD847C58CA@f2s.com> and very painful when kicked ... Robbie On 28 Sep 2009, at 11:15, Nathan Crosby wrote: On 28 Sep 2009, at 09:28, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi. > > I have been contacted by a guy in the Balkins (not sure where that > is), > It's between the knees and the waist. Hope this helps Nathan _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Mon Sep 28 12:34:22 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:34:22 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Ti Help From Balkins In-Reply-To: <42F13759-2133-4D5E-BBB0-AAAD847C58CA@f2s.com> References: <594AEEB0-166C-456B-91EB-8C00A8C0F036@virgin.net> <42F13759-2133-4D5E-BBB0-AAAD847C58CA@f2s.com> Message-ID: <30779534-B023-48BB-8388-413EDB0948D0@virgin.net> Ouch! Nathan On 28 Sep 2009, at 12:32, Robbie Murray wrote: > and very painful when kicked ... > > Robbie > > > > On 28 Sep 2009, at 09:28, Simon Royal wrote: > >> Hi. >> >> I have been contacted by a guy in the Balkins (not sure where that >> is), >> > It's between the knees and the waist. > > Hope this helps Nathan > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Mon Sep 28 14:18:01 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:18:01 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Orange To Get iPhone In-Reply-To: <46308BE5-CD0B-4828-B7FA-9CEDD4082BF7@reynoldsfamily.org.uk> References: <874AE133-97D4-471C-AEB9-AF1C5CF12CB9@simonroyal.co.uk> <46308BE5-CD0B-4828-B7FA-9CEDD4082BF7@reynoldsfamily.org.uk> Message-ID: David It might also mean Apple relax the rules a little on unlocking/ jailbreaking. Simon On 28 Sep 2009, at 11:17, David Reynolds wrote: > O2 say their relationship is continuing too [0]. Hopefully this might > mean some more competitive pricing though! Simon Royal --- Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) From brian at clearlight.uk.net Mon Sep 28 14:35:01 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:35:01 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Do we recognise ourselves? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks David I enjoyed reading this - it is quite astute really and gives a humourous - and therefore more acceptable - profile of mentalities. The mentality that needs to engage in terms of superiority/inferiority is somewhat banal in my opinion. I used to evangelise Mac - but that was in terms of an idea of making the computer tool fit to the personal human sense - rather than the other way round. The Windows OS became accepted as default platform for Desktop computers - in the mind at large - and so most did not really feel there was a choice in the 'real world'. (Which is a human euphanism for the accepted default presumptions of the current era and society). As it happens my Mac often 'misbehaves' or throws up anomalies when I am doing things in front of others. Too often to be mere chance.... (But that is another issue). The perception of the Mac user here is certainly not one of helpful friend or guide. Mac users are often seen as smugly superior - therefore derisible - or indeed as dumb users who have no sense of the actual technology because of living in a 'protected, proprietary and disconnected universe that traps them into a limited and expensive range of options. That there is more digital convergence is part of an emerging technical infrastructure that in effect becoming an externalised shared 'mind'. This may of may not benefit us depending on what uses it is put to. I suspect it will be a means by which we learn fundamental truths about ourselves that were much less obvious before - though no less true. Part of the wonder of the world is that we each have a freedom as to how we see it - (not that we use it much in a default mindset). 'Do as you would be done by' remains a good ethos - assuming that you are willing to enjoy and value - being valued. Rather than personify technologies or firms I would address the mentality behind it. I deplore being forced or bullied by systems put in place by careless or indeed devaluing mentalities. If a user base accepts poor treatment without giving feedback then it validates that treatment being served out to them again and yet again. But maybe the feedback isn't simply to the makers or firms themselves - but simply shared at a grass roots level. For when the ground changes - the climate of thought changes - and all changes with it - whether one is a successful dinosaur big or small. all the best Brian David Van Edwards said recently: > He would have hated the Chapelfiel opening I suspect! > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/sep/28/charlie-brooker-microsoft- > mac-windows > > or if that gets messed up by your email > http://tinyurl.com/ycuxrj7 > > It ends up being rather a paean in praise of Mac's superiotity, a > kind of understated advert for us! > > Best wishes, > > David From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Mon Sep 28 17:01:10 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:01:10 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Do we recognise ourselves? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <624987EB-D696-4AD9-BA85-26CEA546B0CF@simonroyal.co.uk> Brian I am a Mac fan. I am not a fanboy, who loves everything Apple brings out or believes they can do no wrong. They do make bad decisions and bad hardware at times. While I detest Microsoft and all things from the Redmond camp (except Excel), I also understand there are those who love them and it is their decision or choice. Not so much these days with a lot of things being web based - meaning OS is in some ways redundant - but a computer is only as useful as it is reliable. It is only useful if it suits your needs. Just as I see that older machines have there place if your computing needs are minimal, I also understand that a Mac is not for everyone. Windows became accepted purely through market penetration and lack of substantial competition. It has grown so much that it is now hard to overthrow. Most people follow the trend. Most people believe they need Windows or other Microsoft products because others do. While I agree a Mac is not faultless, it is a lot less troublesome than Windows by a long stretch. It isn't hassle free, but the whole feel of Mac OSX is much more streamlined, sensible and organised than Windows. Newer versions of Windows are much better than early incarnations, but still more hassle than they should be. I am not an arrogant Mac user. I love being a Mac user, but people don't want to hear it all the time. Most of my computer buddies are Windows users and I do not hold it over them that I own/use a Mac. I frequently get called upon to fix or assist them in their computing troubles. Most Mac users have to live in a Windows world. In my experience it is the other way round. The 'can you do that on your Mac' or 'you need a PC (meaning Windows) for that' sayings are still about today. Most PC users are arrogant towards Mac users, mostly without even touching a Mac. I don't think Mac users are unhelpful or smug. As Mac users we have already exercised freedom, but wanting something more than what Microsoft offers. If we were happy with the Mac experience or in some way felt it was better than Windows, then we wouldn't continue using it and paying the extra it costs. With the iPod and the iPhone, Apple has suddenly become 'cool' and this is being reflected in the number of those 'cool' people buying Macs. Simon On 28 Sep 2009, at 14:35, Brian Steere wrote: > Thanks David > I enjoyed reading this - it is quite astute really and gives a > humourous - > and therefore more acceptable - profile of mentalities. > > The mentality that needs to engage in terms of superiority/ > inferiority is > somewhat banal in my opinion. I used to evangelise Mac - but that > was in > terms of an idea of making the computer tool fit to the personal > human sense > - rather than the other way round. > > > The Windows OS became accepted as default platform for Desktop > computers - > in the mind at large - and so most did not really feel there was a > choice in > the 'real world'. (Which is a human euphanism for the accepted default > presumptions of the current era and society). > > As it happens my Mac often 'misbehaves' or throws up anomalies when > I am > doing things in front of others. Too often to be mere chance.... > (But that is another issue). > > The perception of the Mac user here is certainly not one of helpful > friend > or guide. Mac users are often seen as smugly superior - therefore > derisible > - or indeed as dumb users who have no sense of the actual technology > because > of living in a 'protected, proprietary and disconnected universe > that traps > them into a limited and expensive range of options. > > That there is more digital convergence is part of an emerging > technical > infrastructure that in effect becoming an externalised shared > 'mind'. This > may of may not benefit us depending on what uses it is put to. > I suspect it will be a means by which we learn fundamental truths > about > ourselves that were much less obvious before - though no less true. > > Part of the wonder of the world is that we each have a freedom as to > how we > see it - (not that we use it much in a default mindset). > > 'Do as you would be done by' remains a good ethos - assuming that > you are > willing to enjoy and value - being valued. Rather than personify > technologies or firms I would address the mentality behind it. I > deplore > being forced or bullied by systems put in place by careless or indeed > devaluing mentalities. > > If a user base accepts poor treatment without giving feedback then it > validates that treatment being served out to them again and yet again. > > But maybe the feedback isn't simply to the makers or firms > themselves - but > simply shared at a grass roots level. For when the ground changes - > the > climate of thought changes - and all changes with it - whether one > is a > successful dinosaur big or small. > > all the best > Brian > > > > > David Van Edwards said recently: > >> He would have hated the Chapelfiel opening I suspect! >> >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/sep/28/charlie-brooker-microsoft- >> mac-windows >> >> or if that gets messed up by your email >> http://tinyurl.com/ycuxrj7 >> >> It ends up being rather a paean in praise of Mac's superiotity, a >> kind of understated advert for us! >> >> Best wishes, >> >> David > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Mon Sep 28 18:06:41 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:06:41 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Fatty Spins Message-ID: Hi. While we seem to be sharing YouTube moments, I thought this might raise an eyebrow. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7C8tJos0zE And don't worry. It's Apple related and clean. Parent supervision not required :) Simon Royal --- Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Tue Sep 29 09:12:28 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 09:12:28 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] BT Webspace Message-ID: Hi. My webspace doesn't support PHP which is a real shame. I just moved to BT broadband and wondered if they offered web space, but I have checked their website and cannot find any reference to it. Does anyone know if they offer any space. Simon Royal --- Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Tue Sep 29 10:05:35 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:05:35 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iPhone Fund Idea Message-ID: <0F75280C-4FF8-44A4-A6E0-8659A6244D45@simonroyal.co.uk> Hi. My attempts at getting an iPhone are not getting very far. The usual reason. Funds. I was wondering the legality issues behind setting up a PayPal account and asking for donations to my iPhone fund. I know it might sound a bit desperate and a bit cheeky, but thinking about it I wouldn't need a huge amount of people to donate to my worthy cause for it to become a reality. I am a member of a lot of groups, social network sites and of course my own website. Is this perfectly legal? Can I get into trouble for it? What do you think my chances are? Simon Royal --- Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Tue Sep 29 10:11:07 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:11:07 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] DVD to Video Question Message-ID: Hi. I had a lot of video clips of my kids when they were younger stored on my Mac. However, I lost these when my Intel iMac went down - and no I hadn't backed them up. However, I just found two DVDs that I made containing most of them. They were made in Toast and are Video-DVDs. What is the best way of pulling these back off the DVD as separate video clips and hopefully retaining their names. Luckily each clip is a seperate chapter on the DVD and each clip still has it's original file name with it. Would something like Handbrake be best? Simon Royal --- Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) From paul at durrant.co.uk Tue Sep 29 10:15:32 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:15:32 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iPhone Fund Idea In-Reply-To: <0F75280C-4FF8-44A4-A6E0-8659A6244D45@simonroyal.co.uk> References: <0F75280C-4FF8-44A4-A6E0-8659A6244D45@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: It doesn't seem to be illegal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_begging I rather doubt it works now-a-days. Paul On 29 Sep 2009, at 10:05, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi. > > My attempts at getting an iPhone are not getting very far. The usual > reason. Funds. > > I was wondering the legality issues behind setting up a PayPal account > and asking for donations to my iPhone fund. I know it might sound a > bit desperate and a bit cheeky, but thinking about it I wouldn't need > a huge amount of people to donate to my worthy cause for it to become > a reality. I am a member of a lot of groups, social network sites and > of course my own website. > > Is this perfectly legal? Can I get into trouble for it? What do you > think my chances are? From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com Tue Sep 29 10:25:29 2009 From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:25:29 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iPhone Fund Idea In-Reply-To: <0F75280C-4FF8-44A4-A6E0-8659A6244D45@simonroyal.co.uk> References: <0F75280C-4FF8-44A4-A6E0-8659A6244D45@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: To me Simon, that sounds suspiciously like begging and while not illegal, still can be a nuisance. How do you react when you come across someone begging in the street? Do you think "lazy sod, get a job - like me" or do you resist judging and give what you can? or do you try to find some way to help? So, what do you want, charity or help? Richard Stewart rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com On 29 Sep 2009, at 10:05, Simon Royal wrote: What do you think my chances are? From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Tue Sep 29 10:31:35 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:31:35 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iPhone Fund Idea In-Reply-To: References: <0F75280C-4FF8-44A4-A6E0-8659A6244D45@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: <2B279678-C1AA-4446-845D-6ED139D2C255@simonroyal.co.uk> Richard Desperate minds turn to desperate measures. I realise this thread may have made me sound like a charity case or just a bit cheeky and in actual reality I probably shouldn't have asked. To make it clear I am not begging on NMUG and probably won't be begging anywhere else, but I was wondering more about the legality of it. If I do see someone begging for money on the street, I do help. Believe it or not I am not all bad. As for what do I want... the message title says it all. Simon PS. Paul sent me a link to answer my original query, so I think we should bury this thread. On 29 Sep 2009, at 10:25, Richard Stewart wrote: > To me Simon, that sounds suspiciously like begging and while not > illegal, still can be a nuisance. How do you react when you come > across someone begging in the street? Do you think "lazy sod, get a > job - like me" or do you resist judging and give what you can? or do > you try to find some way to help? So, what do you want, charity or > help? > Richard Stewart > rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com > > > > > On 29 Sep 2009, at 10:05, Simon Royal wrote: > > What do you > think my chances are? > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) From munkt0n at gmail.com Tue Sep 29 10:41:51 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:41:51 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] BT Webspace In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: how much space do you need? how much traffic are you expecting? I can offer you some space on my home server if you want. On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi. > > My webspace doesn't support PHP which is a real shame. I just moved to > BT broadband and wondered if they offered web space, but I have > checked their website and cannot find any reference to it. > > Does anyone know if they offer any space. > > Simon Royal > --- > Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal > . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, > SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- :wq From batchsteve at googlemail.com Tue Sep 29 10:50:33 2009 From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:50:33 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] DVD to Video Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah, I'd handbrake it, for camcorder footage you will want to turn on deinterlace. Steve. On 29 Sep 2009, at 10:11, Simon Royal wrote: > Would something like Handbrake be best? From batchsteve at googlemail.com Tue Sep 29 10:52:07 2009 From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:52:07 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iPhone Fund Idea In-Reply-To: <2B279678-C1AA-4446-845D-6ED139D2C255@simonroyal.co.uk> References: <0F75280C-4FF8-44A4-A6E0-8659A6244D45@simonroyal.co.uk> <2B279678-C1AA-4446-845D-6ED139D2C255@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: You might get some donations if you organised a fund raiser, I dunno, an open day to show off your mac hardware collection..? Steve. On 29 Sep 2009, at 10:31, Simon Royal wrote: > Desperate minds turn to desperate measures. From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Tue Sep 29 11:40:11 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:40:11 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] BT Webspace In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3A6BC576-52EA-4FFD-AAF2-C65317E93A7B@simonroyal.co.uk> Scott I am only after a small amount of space so I can start learning different net languages. My current provider only supports HTML and CSS. Simon On 29 Sep 2009, at 10:41, Scott Matthews wrote: > how much space do you need? how much traffic are you expecting? > I can offer you some space on my home server if you want. > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Simon Royal > wrote: >> Hi. >> >> My webspace doesn't support PHP which is a real shame. I just moved >> to >> BT broadband and wondered if they offered web space, but I have >> checked their website and cannot find any reference to it. >> >> Does anyone know if they offer any space. >> >> Simon Royal >> --- >> Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal >> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, >> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > > > -- > :wq > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Tue Sep 29 11:41:33 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:41:33 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] iPhone Fund Idea In-Reply-To: References: <0F75280C-4FF8-44A4-A6E0-8659A6244D45@simonroyal.co.uk> <2B279678-C1AA-4446-845D-6ED139D2C255@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: Steve My Mac hardware collection is very lacking at the moment, as in I only have one machine. It is a beauty though. :) Simon On 29 Sep 2009, at 10:52, Steve Batch wrote: > You might get some donations if you organised a fund raiser, I dunno, > an open day to show off your mac hardware collection..? > > Steve. > > > On 29 Sep 2009, at 10:31, Simon Royal wrote: > >> Desperate minds turn to desperate measures. > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Tue Sep 29 11:44:14 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 11:44:14 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] DVD to Video Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Steve I had a go with Handbrake this morning. It will do it, but it requires a bit of work. Each chapter has to be queued separately and each file is called the same so they would all need to be renamed individually before processing. But it looks like it do it. Simon On 29 Sep 2009, at 10:50, Steve Batch wrote: > Yeah, I'd handbrake it, for camcorder footage you will want to turn on > deinterlace. > > Steve. > > > On 29 Sep 2009, at 10:11, Simon Royal wrote: > >> Would something like Handbrake be best? > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) From munkt0n at gmail.com Tue Sep 29 12:22:37 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:22:37 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] BT Webspace In-Reply-To: <3A6BC576-52EA-4FFD-AAF2-C65317E93A7B@simonroyal.co.uk> References: <3A6BC576-52EA-4FFD-AAF2-C65317E93A7B@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: ok, I'll set you up an account and send you the details. On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Simon Royal wrote: > Scott > > I am only after a small amount of space so I can start learning > different net languages. > > My current provider only supports HTML and CSS. > > Simon > > On 29 Sep 2009, at 10:41, Scott Matthews wrote: > >> how much space do you need? how much traffic are you expecting? >> I can offer you some space on my home server if you want. >> >> On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:12 AM, Simon Royal >> wrote: >>> Hi. >>> >>> My webspace doesn't support PHP which is a real shame. I just moved >>> to >>> BT broadband and wondered if they offered web space, but I have >>> checked their website and cannot find any reference to it. >>> >>> Does anyone know if they offer any space. >>> >>> Simon Royal >>> --- >>> Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal >>> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, >>> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> :wq >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > Simon Royal > --- > Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal > . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, > SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- :wq From ken.hamer at stackyard.org Tue Sep 29 13:16:31 2009 From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:16:31 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] DVD to Video Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AC1FA9F.4000508@stackyard.org> Just to check, Simon... I assume it was the hard disk that died on your iMac. If not, the data is still there. How badly did it die, i.e. what was the failure mode? Was it making constant click-whir, click-whir noises (classic Western Digital death throes)? Ken Simon Royal wrote: > Hi. > > I had a lot of video clips of my kids when they were younger stored on > my Mac. However, I lost these when my Intel iMac went down - and no I > hadn't backed them up. However, I just found two DVDs that I made > containing most of them. They were made in Toast and are Video-DVDs. > > What is the best way of pulling these back off the DVD as separate > video clips and hopefully retaining their names. Luckily each clip is > a seperate chapter on the DVD and each clip still has it's original > file name with it. > > Would something like Handbrake be best? > > Simon Royal > --- > Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal > . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, > SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Tue Sep 29 13:21:37 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:21:37 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] DVD to Video Question In-Reply-To: <4AC1FA9F.4000508@stackyard.org> References: <4AC1FA9F.4000508@stackyard.org> Message-ID: <99D62E38-C19D-4C70-87E3-D8799A11DA47@simonroyal.co.uk> Ken First the internal hard drive failed to be detected. It was as if it wasn't there. I tried it also in a USB-to-SATA connector and the damn thing smelt like it was burning. Then after a few weeks off of running it on an external drive the whole machine failed to boot one morning. Nothing, no life, no light nothing. I reset the PMU and the machine would come on all fans blazing and nothing else. Simon On 29 Sep 2009, at 13:16, Ken Hamer wrote: > Just to check, Simon... I assume it was the hard disk that died on > your > iMac. If not, the data is still there. How badly did it die, i.e. > what > was the failure mode? Was it making constant click-whir, click-whir > noises (classic Western Digital death throes)? > > Ken > > Simon Royal wrote: >> Hi. >> >> I had a lot of video clips of my kids when they were younger stored >> on >> my Mac. However, I lost these when my Intel iMac went down - and no I >> hadn't backed them up. However, I just found two DVDs that I made >> containing most of them. They were made in Toast and are Video-DVDs. >> >> What is the best way of pulling these back off the DVD as separate >> video clips and hopefully retaining their names. Luckily each clip is >> a seperate chapter on the DVD and each clip still has it's original >> file name with it. >> >> Would something like Handbrake be best? >> >> Simon Royal >> --- >> Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal >> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, >> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Tue Sep 29 13:34:09 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:34:09 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Noisy Fan Again Message-ID: <76CE7FCA-8EBD-4C24-87C6-DE2885AA3B50@simonroyal.co.uk> Hi. For the last few months I have been having some trouble with a noise fan on my TiBook. At first I thought it was the one on the right hand side (under the power button), but after closer inspection today it sounded like the middle one. There are three on this model, one under ear speaker grill and one directly in the middle at the back. I took the bottom casing off a few weeks ago, blew out as much dust and rubbish as I could and it seemed to have solved it. However, the last few days the noise is back and worse than ever. It is a horrible dry grinding noise, but I still can't 100% tell where it is coming from. Today I took the bottom off again, this time with the machine running, stood it on one end and then ran a number of heavy apps - iTunes, OpenOffice, Scribus, GIMP, Sequel 2 and MacTracker - at the same time to try and stress it out enough to get the fans on. Only the middle one came on and it was pretty quiet, just a normal fan noise. The other two didn't come on. I put it all back together and within minutes the noise was back again - and is still doing it now. Listening carefully it sounds like it is the right hand side fan. I cannot feel any air coming out of the left or the back vent, but when I put my hand over the right vent the fan seems like it gets faster and the noise worsens. I have checked and there is nothing stuck in it and no wires over it/ near it. 1. Is it dangerous, as in will it stop working? 2. Is it a known/common problem with the TiBooks? 3. Should replace it? 4. I cannot remember ever feeling the left hand side fan come on (no air coming out), would this put additional stress on the other two fans? 5. Can anyone with a Ti tell me if their left hand side fan comes on? 6. Can I spray it with WD40 or anything similar? 7. Is it the fan or is it just a noise vibration through some of the casing? 8. What would be needed for all the fans to come on? I know I have probably asked this before, but I never got to the bottom of it. This TiBook is my only Mac and I do not want it to die. Simon Royal --- Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) From ken.hamer at stackyard.org Tue Sep 29 13:48:29 2009 From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:48:29 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] DVD to Video Question In-Reply-To: <99D62E38-C19D-4C70-87E3-D8799A11DA47@simonroyal.co.uk> References: <4AC1FA9F.4000508@stackyard.org> <99D62E38-C19D-4C70-87E3-D8799A11DA47@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: <4AC2021D.90504@stackyard.org> Yeah, well if it smelled like it was burning when you plugged it into a USB adapter and the adapter didn't see it, it sounds highly dead. Oh well. Simon Royal wrote: > Ken > > First the internal hard drive failed to be detected. It was as if it > wasn't there. I tried it also in a USB-to-SATA connector and the damn > thing smelt like it was burning. > > Then after a few weeks off of running it on an external drive the > whole machine failed to boot one morning. Nothing, no life, no light > nothing. > > I reset the PMU and the machine would come on all fans blazing and > nothing else. > > Simon > > On 29 Sep 2009, at 13:16, Ken Hamer wrote: > > >> Just to check, Simon... I assume it was the hard disk that died on >> your >> iMac. If not, the data is still there. How badly did it die, i.e. >> what >> was the failure mode? Was it making constant click-whir, click-whir >> noises (classic Western Digital death throes)? >> >> Ken >> >> Simon Royal wrote: >> >>> Hi. >>> >>> I had a lot of video clips of my kids when they were younger stored >>> on >>> my Mac. However, I lost these when my Intel iMac went down - and no I >>> hadn't backed them up. However, I just found two DVDs that I made >>> containing most of them. They were made in Toast and are Video-DVDs. >>> >>> What is the best way of pulling these back off the DVD as separate >>> video clips and hopefully retaining their names. Luckily each clip is >>> a seperate chapter on the DVD and each clip still has it's original >>> file name with it. >>> >>> Would something like Handbrake be best? >>> >>> Simon Royal >>> --- >>> Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal >>> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, >>> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> > > Simon Royal > --- > Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal > . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, > SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Tue Sep 29 13:54:19 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:54:19 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Vodaphone To Get iPhone Too Message-ID: <1C4A7DE1-C3B5-44B9-A405-B13D35D971FE@simonroyal.co.uk> Wow! It was announced earlier this week that Orange were to start selling iPhones in the UK later this year. Vodaphone have also now announced they will be getting the iPhone in early 2010. Seems the iPhone is wide open. Simon Royal --- Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Tue Sep 29 15:10:16 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:10:16 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Paypal In-Reply-To: <4A7DEB05.6080406@davidviner.com> References: <4A7DE194.6020609@davidviner.com> <4A7DEB05.6080406@davidviner.com> Message-ID: <9BD04422-ADB9-4C4E-B438-B13D6A169960@virgin.net> Hi David Further to what you did this morning, the layout is great, but now all the pictures are out of focus and look blurred although they are OK when clicked on and they enlarge Regards Martin From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com Tue Sep 29 17:31:49 2009 From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:31:49 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Antivirus on Mac's ?? In-Reply-To: <9BD04422-ADB9-4C4E-B438-B13D6A169960@virgin.net> References: <4A7DE194.6020609@davidviner.com> <4A7DEB05.6080406@davidviner.com> <9BD04422-ADB9-4C4E-B438-B13D6A169960@virgin.net> Message-ID: Hi, I'm new to Apple (6 months) my question is, does anyone else worry about having antivirus on their Mac's. I do some online banking with my Mac and have been running ProtectMac but the trial period is about to run out, so I just wondered if it was worth spending ?34.99 on a license, and yes I know you can get free Antivirus App's. I'm also hiding behind my Mac's firewall and my route's firewall, and the ProtectMac should keep an eye open for malware too. I have far more faith in my Mac than my old PC. Kerin From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com Tue Sep 29 17:42:07 2009 From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:42:07 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Antivirus on Mac's ?? In-Reply-To: References: <4A7DE194.6020609@davidviner.com> <4A7DEB05.6080406@davidviner.com> <9BD04422-ADB9-4C4E-B438-B13D6A169960@virgin.net> Message-ID: <987F526D-7315-42AB-9AEF-84B6B1E3EFAF@gmail.com> Hi Kerin, I think others will back me up if I recommend 'iAntivirus'. It does the trick for me and several others as well AND it's free. Do a browser search,iAntiVirus - Free AntiVirus for Mac or click this link and be sure to select the correct OS as required. rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com On 29 Sep 2009, at 17:31, Kerin Westgate wrote: Antivirus From batchsteve at googlemail.com Tue Sep 29 17:47:24 2009 From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:47:24 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Antivirus on Mac's ?? In-Reply-To: References: <4A7DE194.6020609@davidviner.com> <4A7DEB05.6080406@davidviner.com> <9BD04422-ADB9-4C4E-B438-B13D6A169960@virgin.net> Message-ID: <7A1BE1EF-B071-454E-84F6-772E194C3F45@gmail.com> I don't use any antivirus software and don't plan to for the foreseeable future. Steve. On 29 Sep 2009, at 17:31, Kerin Westgate wrote: > does anyone else worry about having antivirus on their Mac From paul at durrant.co.uk Tue Sep 29 17:59:08 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:59:08 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Antivirus on Mac's ?? In-Reply-To: References: <4A7DE194.6020609@davidviner.com> <4A7DEB05.6080406@davidviner.com> <9BD04422-ADB9-4C4E-B438-B13D6A169960@virgin.net> Message-ID: <091B60D0-C106-46FD-9B6D-4D6882CB3C9C@durrant.co.uk> I don't use any anti-virus on my macs. I don't think it's needed currently. See also this TidBITS article: http://db.tidbits.com/article/9511 regards, Paul On 29 Sep 2009, at 17:31, Kerin Westgate wrote: > > Hi, I'm new to Apple (6 months) my question is, > does anyone else worry about having antivirus on their Mac's. I do > some online banking with my Mac and have been running ProtectMac but > the trial period is about to run out, so I just wondered if it was > worth spending ?34.99 on a license, and yes I know you can get free > Antivirus App's. I'm also hiding behind my Mac's firewall and my > route's firewall, and the ProtectMac should keep an eye open for > malware too. I have far more faith in my Mac than my old PC. From macman at f2s.com Tue Sep 29 18:19:17 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:19:17 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Antivirus on Mac's ?? In-Reply-To: References: <4A7DE194.6020609@davidviner.com> <4A7DEB05.6080406@davidviner.com> <9BD04422-ADB9-4C4E-B438-B13D6A169960@virgin.net> Message-ID: Years ago, pre OSX, I had Norton installed on our machines, but in all the years I've used Macs, I can only remember one instance of Malware - a worm which slowed everything down to a crawl - within 24 hours a 14 year old in South America came up with a fix which restored everything to normal. We have had no Antivirus since, and whilst never complacent, are certainly relaxed about it. Most gurus whom I respect consider it un- necessary, and Apple itself does not, as far as I know, advise it. I subscribe to the adage that the most vulnerable component of any system is the person sitting at the keyboard, and clicking on banners promising acres of nubile female flesh does tend to be a bit foolhardy, certainly for Windows users, as is opening attachments on emails from obscure senders! The only slight Mac scare recently was some dodgy crawler coming from an illegal release of, I think, iLife or iWork, but then downloading software from torrent sites such as Limewire is always risky. I only bank online, with several financial institutions, and have no concerns whatsoever regarding the security, but I do ignore the pleas to update my details from 'Barclays'; 'Lloyds'; NatWest'; 'Citibank'; 'CapitalOne' and the like, with whom I don't have accounts. The giveaway is usually the originating Hotmail address of the 12 year old in Nigeria! The choice is yours, but a google for 'Mac antivirus' may help you decide. Hope this helps Robbie On 29 Sep 2009, at 17:31, Kerin Westgate wrote: Hi, I'm new to Apple (6 months) my question is, does anyone else worry about having antivirus on their Mac's. I do some online banking with my Mac and have been running ProtectMac but the trial period is about to run out, so I just wondered if it was worth spending ?34.99 on a license, and yes I know you can get free Antivirus App's. I'm also hiding behind my Mac's firewall and my route's firewall, and the ProtectMac should keep an eye open for malware too. I have far more faith in my Mac than my old PC. Kerin _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Tue Sep 29 18:21:50 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:21:50 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Antivirus on Mac's ?? In-Reply-To: <091B60D0-C106-46FD-9B6D-4D6882CB3C9C@durrant.co.uk> References: <4A7DE194.6020609@davidviner.com> <4A7DEB05.6080406@davidviner.com> <9BD04422-ADB9-4C4E-B438-B13D6A169960@virgin.net> <091B60D0-C106-46FD-9B6D-4D6882CB3C9C@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <8996C372-D12E-4460-ACD9-7F844D3DB5BC@simonroyal.co.uk> Hi. Just to add my 2 pence in. I don't and never have used anti-virus on my Mac. I don't intend to either. Simon PS. Norton, when advertising their Antivirus 2008 for PC, used a picture of a Titanium PowerBook in some of their ads. Kind of ironic I thought. On 29 Sep 2009, at 17:59, Paul Durrant wrote: > I don't use any anti-virus on my macs. I don't think it's needed > currently. > > See also this TidBITS article: > > http://db.tidbits.com/article/9511 > > regards, > > Paul > > On 29 Sep 2009, at 17:31, Kerin Westgate wrote: > >> >> Hi, I'm new to Apple (6 months) my question is, >> does anyone else worry about having antivirus on their Mac's. I do >> some online banking with my Mac and have been running ProtectMac but >> the trial period is about to run out, so I just wondered if it was >> worth spending ?34.99 on a license, and yes I know you can get free >> Antivirus App's. I'm also hiding behind my Mac's firewall and my >> route's firewall, and the ProtectMac should keep an eye open for >> malware too. I have far more faith in my Mac than my old PC. > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Tue Sep 29 18:23:18 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:23:18 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Antivirus on Mac's ?? In-Reply-To: References: <4A7DE194.6020609@davidviner.com> <4A7DEB05.6080406@davidviner.com> <9BD04422-ADB9-4C4E-B438-B13D6A169960@virgin.net> Message-ID: Robbie I must stop doing this then. :) It might be fool hardy, but it is fun. Simon On 29 Sep 2009, at 18:19, Robbie Murray wrote: > and clicking on banners > promising acres of nubile female flesh does tend to be a bit > foolhardy Simon Royal --- Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com Tue Sep 29 19:49:45 2009 From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:49:45 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Antivirus on Mac's ?? In-Reply-To: <7A1BE1EF-B071-454E-84F6-772E194C3F45@gmail.com> References: <4A7DE194.6020609@davidviner.com> <4A7DEB05.6080406@davidviner.com> <9BD04422-ADB9-4C4E-B438-B13D6A169960@virgin.net> <7A1BE1EF-B071-454E-84F6-772E194C3F45@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Thanx for all your replies, I'll think about it . Just a legacy of > Windows for two many years :) > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From bazyoungs at mac.com Tue Sep 29 20:02:40 2009 From: bazyoungs at mac.com (Barry Youngs) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 20:02:40 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] BT Webspace In-Reply-To: References: <3A6BC576-52EA-4FFD-AAF2-C65317E93A7B@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: <48DE5141-10C7-4D11-B2DB-16ABE8858FB3@mac.com> May I just say this just typical of you Nmuggers out there! I would like to add my thanks to all of you who contribute in whatever way you all do. I know that I have learnt a heck of a lot about Macs etc. from this group and I also stick any emails that I receive that I think may be relevant to my needs at a later date in a separate mailbox. Once gain Tank You NMUG! Baz On 29 Sep 2009, at 12:22, Scott Matthews wrote: > ok, I'll set you up an account and send you the details. > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Simon Royal > wrote: >> Scott >> >> I am only after a small amount of space so I can start learning >> different net languages. "No matter how high the throne upon which a man sits, he still sits upon his ass." Montaigne From brian at clearlight.uk.net Tue Sep 29 21:31:03 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:31:03 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Antivirus on Mac's ?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Kerin presently I don't feel the risk of catching viruses is greater than the risk of issues arising from anti virus software - which has to intercept everything to check it. If you stay in touch, you will soon know if anything really comes out that breaches the Mac - as well as advice as to best practice. It hasn't done so in many years of Mac OSX. I'm not aware of malware for Mac - excepting maybe anti virus software! (Well, Norton in particular). I wouldn't have thought you'd need Mac and Router firewalls on at the same time. But if you are all working - what do I know! Protecting via firewall is a different and necessary act for all networked computers. The Mac seems to be more secure than PC - though some just say it isn't considered a worthy enough target for the folks who make viri. all the best Brian Kerin Westgate said recently: > > Hi, I'm new to Apple (6 months) my question is, > does anyone else worry about having antivirus on their Mac's. I do > some online banking with my Mac and have been running ProtectMac but > the trial period is about to run out, so I just wondered if it was > worth spending ?34.99 on a license, and yes I know you can get free > Antivirus App's. I'm also hiding behind my Mac's firewall and my > route's firewall, and the ProtectMac should keep an eye open for > malware too. I have far more faith in my Mac than my old PC. > > Kerin > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Tue Sep 29 21:33:25 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:33:25 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Antivirus on Mac's ?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <300EFDE2-6DBA-449E-BA1E-35AFF825B6F4@simonroyal.co.uk> Brian But why is this? Is it just not a worthy enough target, or is it because of its unix underpinnings it makes it harder to deploy. Simon On 29 Sep 2009, at 21:31, Brian Steere wrote: > The Mac seems to be more secure than PC - though some just say it > isn't > considered a worthy enough target for the folks who make viri. Simon Royal --- Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Tue Sep 29 21:42:25 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:42:25 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Who Doesn't Own Message-ID: <3E692516-DF40-4D52-8A5C-ECA0BD6BCADD@simonroyal.co.uk> Hi. In this tech world we often get pushed into going along with the crowd, but some people stick to their principles or drag their feet - or simply feel they have no need for the latest thing and therefore do not go with it. Do any of you or do you know any who... Doesn't own an iPod? Doesn't own a mobile phone? Hasn't upgraded to OSX yet? Is still using dial up? Doesn't have an email address? Doesn't have digital tv? Haven't used eBay? Just a bit of fun. Simon Royal --- Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) From penguin.999 at virgin.net Tue Sep 29 21:53:10 2009 From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:53:10 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Antivirus on Mac's ?? In-Reply-To: <300EFDE2-6DBA-449E-BA1E-35AFF825B6F4@simonroyal.co.uk> References: <300EFDE2-6DBA-449E-BA1E-35AFF825B6F4@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: <63CDD15D-47DA-43C0-B78B-072B20A5B74B@virgin.net> On Sep 29, 2009, at 21:33, Simon Royal wrote: > But why is this? > Is it just not a worthy enough target, or is it because of its unix > underpinnings it makes it harder to deploy. It's the latter. The idea that there are no viruses on a Mac because there aren't many of them is a story put out by PC users. The truth is that those hard core virus writers are desperate to be the first one to create a true Mac virus, it's their Holy Grail. Paul C From penguin.999 at virgin.net Tue Sep 29 21:55:43 2009 From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:55:43 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Who Doesn't Own In-Reply-To: <3E692516-DF40-4D52-8A5C-ECA0BD6BCADD@simonroyal.co.uk> References: <3E692516-DF40-4D52-8A5C-ECA0BD6BCADD@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: <382B6EF1-067A-4073-BA82-C22AE2770982@virgin.net> On Sep 29, 2009, at 21:42, Simon Royal wrote: > Do any of you or do you know any who... > > Doesn't own an iPod? > Doesn't own a mobile phone? > Hasn't upgraded to OSX yet? > Is still using dial up? > Doesn't have an email address? > Doesn't have digital tv? > Haven't used eBay? Yes, my wife's 90 year old aunt. Paul C From alanbarber at mac.com Tue Sep 29 21:59:08 2009 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:59:08 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Who Doesn't Own In-Reply-To: <382B6EF1-067A-4073-BA82-C22AE2770982@virgin.net> References: <3E692516-DF40-4D52-8A5C-ECA0BD6BCADD@simonroyal.co.uk> <382B6EF1-067A-4073-BA82-C22AE2770982@virgin.net> Message-ID: <126B6B10-EE14-418B-9EBC-9DB75242FB36@mac.com> Also my 84 year old mum regards Alan sent from my iPod touch On 29 Sep 2009, at 21:55, Paul Chapman wrote: > > On Sep 29, 2009, at 21:42, Simon Royal wrote: > >> Do any of you or do you know any who... >> >> Doesn't own an iPod? >> Doesn't own a mobile phone? >> Hasn't upgraded to OSX yet? >> Is still using dial up? >> Doesn't have an email address? >> Doesn't have digital tv? >> Haven't used eBay? > > Yes, my wife's 90 year old aunt. > > Paul C > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From brian at clearlight.uk.net Tue Sep 29 22:01:43 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:01:43 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Antivirus on Mac's ?? In-Reply-To: <300EFDE2-6DBA-449E-BA1E-35AFF825B6F4@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Simon I'm not geeky enough to know. Watever the reasons - at present it is much safer on a Mac. I don't have to spend time or worry about that stuff. And I appreciate that. I don't know if it is as secure as we'd like to believe - all sorts of vulnerabilities are constantly being found and patched or closed. But in practical terms these or other vulnerabilities are not being exploited - as of yet. all the best Brian Simon Royal said recently: > Brian > > But why is this? > > Is it just not a worthy enough target, or is it because of its unix > underpinnings it makes it harder to deploy. > > Simon > > On 29 Sep 2009, at 21:31, Brian Steere wrote: > >> The Mac seems to be more secure than PC - though some just say it >> isn't >> considered a worthy enough target for the folks who make viri. > > Simon Royal > --- > Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal > . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, > SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From kelvinyoungs at mac.com Tue Sep 29 22:01:58 2009 From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:01:58 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Who Doesn't Own In-Reply-To: <126B6B10-EE14-418B-9EBC-9DB75242FB36@mac.com> References: <3E692516-DF40-4D52-8A5C-ECA0BD6BCADD@simonroyal.co.uk> <382B6EF1-067A-4073-BA82-C22AE2770982@virgin.net> <126B6B10-EE14-418B-9EBC-9DB75242FB36@mac.com> Message-ID: <5D4479C0-4813-4DE9-B589-50BC559916C3@mac.com> My mum and dad ? and they are deadish! Though think sometimes that they do listen to me by some strange means ...... Kelvin From brian at clearlight.uk.net Tue Sep 29 22:04:04 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:04:04 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Who Doesn't Own In-Reply-To: <3E692516-DF40-4D52-8A5C-ECA0BD6BCADD@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: Yes I know plenty who qualify for the list - excepting perhaps the mobile phone. I think that has penetrated where the others havent. regards Brian Simon Royal said recently: > Hi. > > In this tech world we often get pushed into going along with the > crowd, but some people stick to their principles or drag their feet - > or simply feel they have no need for the latest thing and therefore do > not go with it. > > Do any of you or do you know any who... > > Doesn't own an iPod? > Doesn't own a mobile phone? > Hasn't upgraded to OSX yet? > Is still using dial up? > Doesn't have an email address? > Doesn't have digital tv? > Haven't used eBay? > > Just a bit of fun. > > Simon Royal > --- > Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal > . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, > SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Tue Sep 29 22:04:50 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:04:50 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Who Doesn't Own In-Reply-To: <3E692516-DF40-4D52-8A5C-ECA0BD6BCADD@simonroyal.co.uk> References: <3E692516-DF40-4D52-8A5C-ECA0BD6BCADD@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: Yes, in excess of 50,000 active customers of our Mail Order Catalogue, 80% of whom pay by cheque or even Postal order .... Robbie On 29 Sep 2009, at 21:42, Simon Royal wrote: Hi. In this tech world we often get pushed into going along with the crowd, but some people stick to their principles or drag their feet - or simply feel they have no need for the latest thing and therefore do not go with it. Do any of you or do you know any who... Doesn't own an iPod? Doesn't own a mobile phone? Hasn't upgraded to OSX yet? Is still using dial up? Doesn't have an email address? Doesn't have digital tv? Haven't used eBay? Just a bit of fun. Simon Royal --- Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com Tue Sep 29 22:05:48 2009 From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:05:48 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Who Doesn't Own In-Reply-To: <126B6B10-EE14-418B-9EBC-9DB75242FB36@mac.com> References: <3E692516-DF40-4D52-8A5C-ECA0BD6BCADD@simonroyal.co.uk> <382B6EF1-067A-4073-BA82-C22AE2770982@virgin.net> <126B6B10-EE14-418B-9EBC-9DB75242FB36@mac.com> Message-ID: <2CF64BC4-A104-4B42-8597-C8951D15DFD6@ntlworld.com> My mum who is 79 has a diary on a PC but struggles to use it lol bless her On 29 Sep 2009, at 21:59, Alan Barber wrote: > Also my 84 year old mum > > > regards > Alan > > sent from my iPod touch > > On 29 Sep 2009, at 21:55, Paul Chapman wrote: > >> >> On Sep 29, 2009, at 21:42, Simon Royal wrote: >> >>> Do any of you or do you know any who... >>> >>> Doesn't own an iPod? >>> Doesn't own a mobile phone? >>> Hasn't upgraded to OSX yet? >>> Is still using dial up? >>> Doesn't have an email address? >>> Doesn't have digital tv? >>> Haven't used eBay? >> >> Yes, my wife's 90 year old aunt. >> >> Paul C >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From kelvinyoungs at mac.com Tue Sep 29 22:06:42 2009 From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:06:42 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Who Doesn't Own In-Reply-To: References: <3E692516-DF40-4D52-8A5C-ECA0BD6BCADD@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: Now, that is an interesting post Robbie. Are you saying that 80% of all of your orders come this way rather than on-line? Kelvin On 29 Sep 2009, at 22:04, Robbie Murray wrote: > Yes, in excess of 50,000 active customers of our Mail Order Catalogue, > 80% of whom pay by cheque or even Postal order .... > > Rob From sc at davidviner.com Tue Sep 29 22:07:07 2009 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:07:07 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Who Doesn't Own In-Reply-To: <3E692516-DF40-4D52-8A5C-ECA0BD6BCADD@simonroyal.co.uk> References: <3E692516-DF40-4D52-8A5C-ECA0BD6BCADD@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: <4AC276FB.8010006@davidviner.com> I can only hold my hand up to one of those - and that's the iPod one. As I work from home and have access to my music via my network server on any of the PCs and Macs dotted around the house, I can't say I need one. Also, I don't get on with in-the-ear type earphones and walking round with proper headphones on is not something I like doing. Mind you, I come pretty close to a 'no' on a couple of others: * My mobile phone is ancient - a Sendo - how long since they stopped making those? It can be a phone and do text messages and not a lot else - no camera, no bluetooth, apparently it's possible to do internet access on it but I wouldn't want to with a screen that small! It /is/ colour though ;-) * I've did once (and once only) bid on something on eBay but didn't continue once the price shot up near the end of the bidding. I think my eBay account is rusty with non-use! Other non-techie people I know: * My 90-year-old mother only has a mobile phone (which she only vaguely knows how to use). She doesn't even have dial up - bit pointless without a computer - so I can definitely say she's not upgraded to OSX yet! * My brother - almost the same as mum except he has a better mobile phone (unless he's lost it or it's been stolen again - neither of which are uncommon occurrences) David Simon Royal wrote: > Hi. > > In this tech world we often get pushed into going along with the > crowd, but some people stick to their principles or drag their feet - > or simply feel they have no need for the latest thing and therefore do > not go with it. > > Do any of you or do you know any who... > > Doesn't own an iPod? > Doesn't own a mobile phone? > Hasn't upgraded to OSX yet? > Is still using dial up? > Doesn't have an email address? > Doesn't have digital tv? > Haven't used eBay? > > Just a bit of fun. > > Simon Royal > --- > Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal > . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, > SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From macman at f2s.com Tue Sep 29 22:19:13 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:19:13 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Who Doesn't Own In-Reply-To: References: <3E692516-DF40-4D52-8A5C-ECA0BD6BCADD@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: No, that's how they pay - 92% come in by post or phone - 8% via the web. Robbie On 29 Sep 2009, at 22:06, Kelvin Youngs wrote: Now, that is an interesting post Robbie. Are you saying that 80% of all of your orders come this way rather than on-line? Kelvin On 29 Sep 2009, at 22:04, Robbie Murray wrote: > Yes, in excess of 50,000 active customers of our Mail Order Catalogue, > 80% of whom pay by cheque or even Postal order .... > > Rob _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ken.hamer at stackyard.org Wed Sep 30 04:31:41 2009 From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 23:31:41 -0400 Subject: [NMUG] Antivirus on Mac's ?? In-Reply-To: <300EFDE2-6DBA-449E-BA1E-35AFF825B6F4@simonroyal.co.uk> References: <300EFDE2-6DBA-449E-BA1E-35AFF825B6F4@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: <4AC2D11D.7020906@stackyard.org> I'm afraid that it's just a question of numbers. Computer malware is no longer written by teenage boys out to impress their friends. It's distributed by criminals for the express purpose of making a LOT of money. One can write a virus for anything, UNIX or otherwise, but Macs have lacked the critical mass which makes them attractive to the criminal gangs who pay for the writing and dissemination of virii. They have bigger fish to fry (the vastly larger numbers of Windows PCs). There have even been significant security holes left open for months by Apple which have not been exploited because it just wasn't worth the effort. However, as Apple gains market share, there may come a point in the future where malware for Macs becomes a problem. Whether one should use internet security software is another question altogether. If such software is not absolutely perfect, it has failed totally and most do, in fact, fail. Many people prefer this or that anti-malware software but you only know that your anti-malware software has been successful. If you are lucky, you will know that it has failed but very often, you won't. There are many infected PCs out there with up-to-date anti-virus software, the Zeus trojan being a very high-profile example of the problem. The detection of ALL malware is more or less impossible because it requires the reverse-engineering of any program, browser add-on or script to find out its intentions. Some anti-virus programs claim to be able to do something similar but I am not convinced. So to answer the question, I don't run anti-malware software on my Mac.... yet. Maybe sometime I'll have to. Ken Simon Royal wrote: > Brian > > But why is this? > > Is it just not a worthy enough target, or is it because of its unix > underpinnings it makes it harder to deploy. > > Simon > > On 29 Sep 2009, at 21:31, Brian Steere wrote: > > >> The Mac seems to be more secure than PC - though some just say it >> isn't >> considered a worthy enough target for the folks who make viri. >> > > Simon Royal > --- > Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal > . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, > SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From batchsteve at googlemail.com Wed Sep 30 09:13:18 2009 From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 09:13:18 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Who Doesn't Own In-Reply-To: <3E692516-DF40-4D52-8A5C-ECA0BD6BCADD@simonroyal.co.uk> References: <3E692516-DF40-4D52-8A5C-ECA0BD6BCADD@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: <76DA4610-D2D5-4AB4-A081-E56E42719712@gmail.com> I don't! iPod, phone and desktop OSX on separate devices? Thats like soo pre iPhone! email address? digital tv? Thats like soo pre social networking! Actually I'm joking but can you see what I'm saying? these 'modern techs' are already outdated... Steve. On 29 Sep 2009, at 21:42, Simon Royal wrote: > Do any of you or do you know any who... > > Doesn't own an iPod? > Doesn't own a mobile phone? > Hasn't upgraded to OSX yet? > Is still using dial up? > Doesn't have an email address? > Doesn't have digital tv? > Haven't used eBay? From munkt0n at gmail.com Wed Sep 30 09:22:58 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 09:22:58 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Who Doesn't Own In-Reply-To: <3E692516-DF40-4D52-8A5C-ECA0BD6BCADD@simonroyal.co.uk> References: <3E692516-DF40-4D52-8A5C-ECA0BD6BCADD@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: I think this is probably more appropriate Have used eBay without getting ripped off? On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi. > > In this tech world we often get pushed into going along with the > crowd, but some people stick to their principles or drag their feet - > or simply feel they have no need for the latest thing and therefore do > not go with it. > > Do any of you or do you know any who... > > Doesn't own an iPod? > Doesn't own a mobile phone? > Hasn't upgraded to OSX yet? > Is still using dial up? > Doesn't have an email address? > Doesn't have digital tv? > Haven't used eBay? > > Just a bit of fun. > > Simon Royal > --- > Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal > . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, > SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- :wq From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Wed Sep 30 10:00:47 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 10:00:47 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Who Doesn't Own In-Reply-To: References: <3E692516-DF40-4D52-8A5C-ECA0BD6BCADD@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: <701F146D-1EC0-4611-B60F-EA3A4CFF5CA6@simonroyal.co.uk> Scott I don't think anyone has. It seems part of the territory. You know your an experienced eBayer when you have had your first rip off. Simon On 30 Sep 2009, at 09:22, Scott Matthews wrote: > I think this is probably more appropriate > > Have used eBay without getting ripped off? > > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Simon Royal > wrote: >> Hi. >> >> In this tech world we often get pushed into going along with the >> crowd, but some people stick to their principles or drag their feet - >> or simply feel they have no need for the latest thing and therefore >> do >> not go with it. >> >> Do any of you or do you know any who... >> >> Doesn't own an iPod? >> Doesn't own a mobile phone? >> Hasn't upgraded to OSX yet? >> Is still using dial up? >> Doesn't have an email address? >> Doesn't have digital tv? >> Haven't used eBay? >> >> Just a bit of fun. >> >> Simon Royal >> --- >> Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal >> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, >> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > > > -- > :wq > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Simon Royal --- Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) From jinshinjewels at googlemail.com Wed Sep 30 11:59:10 2009 From: jinshinjewels at googlemail.com (Jules Slaughter) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 11:59:10 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Who Doesn't Own In-Reply-To: References: <3E692516-DF40-4D52-8A5C-ECA0BD6BCADD@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: Dear Geeks Surely that is the point: how not to get ripped off by ebay. Then us folk who haven't used it because we think we would be ripped off, would know what to do. Perhaps we are the more intelligent - fools and their money..... I glance at your chatter and wonder why you don't have a life outside of a screen...???!!! Have you not experienced the wonderful summer we've just had, been outside and smelt the roses.... Just a bit of fun... before you send me a mail from your Blackberry's - juicy and mechanical - from the veg patch. Jules The CaveWoman, where's my flint to sharpen to write another missile. On 9/30/09, Scott Matthews wrote: > I think this is probably more appropriate > > Have used eBay without getting ripped off? > > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Simon Royal wrote: > > Hi. > > > > In this tech world we often get pushed into going along with the > > crowd, but some people stick to their principles or drag their feet - > > or simply feel they have no need for the latest thing and therefore do > > not go with it. > > > > > Do any of you or do you know any who... > > > > Doesn't own an iPod? > > Doesn't own a mobile phone? > > Hasn't upgraded to OSX yet? > > Is still using dial up? > > Doesn't have an email address? > > Doesn't have digital tv? > > Haven't used eBay? > > > > > Just a bit of fun. > > > > Simon Royal > > --- > > Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal > > . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, > > SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > > > > > -- > :wq > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- Jules CalmClasses & Therapies to improve your health. My business works on referrals. If you like what I do, please tell others. If not, please tell me. From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Wed Sep 30 12:16:48 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:16:48 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Who Doesn't Own In-Reply-To: References: <3E692516-DF40-4D52-8A5C-ECA0BD6BCADD@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: Jules Of course I experienced the summer, emailing and FaceBooking from the garden on my smart phone. :) Simon On 30 Sep 2009, at 11:59, Jules Slaughter wrote: > I glance at your chatter and wonder why you don't have a life outside > of a screen...???!!! Have you not experienced the wonderful summer > we've just had, been outside and smelt the roses.... Simon Royal --- Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) From ricnev at mac.com Wed Sep 30 12:21:05 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:21:05 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Who Doesn't Own In-Reply-To: References: <3E692516-DF40-4D52-8A5C-ECA0BD6BCADD@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: And that's the critical thing - modern technology and traditional pursuits aren't mutually exclusive. Although it seems as if we are always here, tied to our keyboards, in reality some of us have rich and varied lives outside this Mac community. I for one am here to help, and generally so are most other posters. Computers, nay all modern technologies, ought to enrich and enable. I want everyone to enjoy the new horizons, and see how much more one can achieve with mundane tasks banished from our lives. Progress, per se, is not bad. Traditional arts, crafts and pursuits all benefit from new ideas and new ways of doing things. A good variety in our endeavours should help us to maximise our potential. Oops... I bit, didn't I?! ;-) On 30 Sep 2009, at 11:59, Jules Slaughter wrote: > Just a bit of fun... before you send me a mail from your Blackberry's > - juicy and mechanical - from the veg patch. Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From jinshinjewels at googlemail.com Wed Sep 30 12:21:25 2009 From: jinshinjewels at googlemail.com (Jules Slaughter) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:21:25 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Who Doesn't Own In-Reply-To: References: <3E692516-DF40-4D52-8A5C-ECA0BD6BCADD@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: But isn't it lovely to allow the brain to s t o p .... What is life if full of care We have no time to stop and stare To stop and stare like sheep and cows, or hens........ I think you all need to come to my yoga classes and experience what it's like to allow the body to stop - moving and thinking. Bliss. Happy thinking!!! Jules On 9/30/09, Simon Royal wrote: > Jules > > Of course I experienced the summer, emailing and FaceBooking from the > garden on my smart phone. :) > > > Simon > > > On 30 Sep 2009, at 11:59, Jules Slaughter wrote: > > > I glance at your chatter and wonder why you don't have a life outside > > of a screen...???!!! Have you not experienced the wonderful summer > > we've just had, been outside and smelt the roses.... > > > Simon Royal > --- > Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal > . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, > SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- Jules CalmClasses & Therapies to improve your health. My business works on referrals. If you like what I do, please tell others. If not, please tell me. From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Wed Sep 30 12:40:59 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 12:40:59 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Who Doesn't Own In-Reply-To: References: <3E692516-DF40-4D52-8A5C-ECA0BD6BCADD@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: <2F293C46-BE23-446C-A775-BA122BDE7A43@simonroyal.co.uk> Jules Hens don't stop and stare, they are always on the go, scrapping for food and digging holes. Simon --- sent from my chicken pen. On 30 Sep 2009, at 12:21, Jules Slaughter wrote: > To stop and stare like sheep and cows, or hens........ Simon Royal --- Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) From yahooist at anyisle.com Wed Sep 30 23:24:52 2009 From: yahooist at anyisle.com (Neil S.) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:24:52 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Bento 3 Message-ID: Guys, I see Bento 3 is out. I downloaded an evaluation copy of Bento 2 but have struggled to get involved with it. As a personal user as opposed to a for-business user, Address Book and iCal without fancy presentations work fine for me, on both my iMac & iPhone, so I am struggling to see its attraction. True, I don't build databases - maybe I should instead of Excel spreadsheets - but would that be its only attraction for me? Regards... Neil -- Neil Stevens Sent from my ? iMac G5 From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk Wed Sep 30 18:26:53 2009 From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 18:26:53 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Who Doesn't Own In-Reply-To: <2F293C46-BE23-446C-A775-BA122BDE7A43@simonroyal.co.uk> References: <3E692516-DF40-4D52-8A5C-ECA0BD6BCADD@simonroyal.co.uk> <2F293C46-BE23-446C-A775-BA122BDE7A43@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: But ultimately someone wrings their necks.....!!!! ;-) On 30 Sep 2009, at 12:40, Simon Royal wrote: > Jules > > Hens don't stop and stare, they are always on the go, scrapping for > food and digging holes. > > Simon > > --- sent from my chicken pen. > > > On 30 Sep 2009, at 12:21, Jules Slaughter wrote: > >> To stop and stare like sheep and cows, or hens........ > > Simon Royal > --- > Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal > . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, > SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Wed Sep 30 23:47:18 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:47:18 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Who Doesn't Own In-Reply-To: References: <3E692516-DF40-4D52-8A5C-ECA0BD6BCADD@simonroyal.co.uk> <2F293C46-BE23-446C-A775-BA122BDE7A43@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D302234-72EE-47D5-A9C8-37763DA0E86E@f2s.com> ... instead of ringing their mobile? ;-) Robbie On 30 Sep 2009, at 18:26, Steven Jefferson wrote: But ultimately someone wrings their necks.....!!!! ;-) On 30 Sep 2009, at 12:40, Simon Royal wrote: > Jules > > Hens don't stop and stare, they are always on the go, scrapping for > food and digging holes. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From batchsteve at googlemail.com Wed Sep 30 15:02:09 2009 From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:02:09 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Who Doesn't Own In-Reply-To: References: <3E692516-DF40-4D52-8A5C-ECA0BD6BCADD@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: <9E9557FB-22F1-4190-966F-2AFA1DEE8909@gmail.com> Hi Jules, I'm not sure what it is you are trying to say. You wan't people to be able to help you and offer well informed advice yet you criticise the same people for spending too much time actually doing the research and becoming informed. Everyone is different and I choose not to do yoga or smell roses but instead spend my time educating myself so I do not have a fear of advancements technology such as eBay. I would not think for a second to be arrogant enough to criticise someone else because they chose a different path. Steve. P.S. I was working on a farm this summer and probably saw more of the sun than you did. On 30 Sep 2009, at 11:59, Jules Slaughter wrote: > I glance at your chatter and wonder why you don't have a life outside > of a screen...???!!! Have you not experienced the wonderful summer > we've just had, been outside and smelt the roses.... > > Just a bit of fun... From djr.massy at ntlworld.com Wed Sep 30 14:50:08 2009 From: djr.massy at ntlworld.com (DJR Massy) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:50:08 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 68, Issue 63 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <691AE857-E29F-417F-BB18-95B25271B222@ntlworld.com> no iPod, no mobile phone, no digital TV (is Freeview digital?), only used eBay once and my bid was refused! Furthermore I don't: wear jeans or trainers patronise Macdonalds My wife has a mobile phone and she has to explain it to me when I borrow it. Have a slight hankering after an iPhone myself. Will I get there in the end, I wonder? Jim. ============================================== On 30 Sep 2009, at 04:31, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote: > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 22:04:04 +0100 > From: Brian Steere > Subject: Re: [NMUG] Who Doesn't Own > To: "nmug durrant.co.uk" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Yes I know plenty who qualify for the list - excepting perhaps the > mobile > phone. > I think that has penetrated where the others havent. > > regards > Brian > > > Simon Royal said recently: > >> Hi. >> >> In this tech world we often get pushed into going along with the >> crowd, but some people stick to their principles or drag their feet - >> or simply feel they have no need for the latest thing and >> therefore do >> not go with it. >> >> Do any of you or do you know any who... >> >> Doesn't own an iPod? >> Doesn't own a mobile phone? >> Hasn't upgraded to OSX yet? >> Is still using dial up? >> Doesn't have an email address? >> Doesn't have digital tv? >> Haven't used eBay? >> >> Just a bit of fun. >> >> Simon Royal From jinshinjewels at googlemail.com Wed Sep 30 13:23:56 2009 From: jinshinjewels at googlemail.com (Jules Slaughter) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 13:23:56 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Who Doesn't Own In-Reply-To: <2F293C46-BE23-446C-A775-BA122BDE7A43@simonroyal.co.uk> References: <3E692516-DF40-4D52-8A5C-ECA0BD6BCADD@simonroyal.co.uk> <2F293C46-BE23-446C-A775-BA122BDE7A43@simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: Simon, That's because they have picked up your manic movement energy! We absorb each other's energies - positive and negative. My hens stand and turn their heads to stare up at me.... presumably they are wondering where my iphone is and why they have to live with such a calming caveperson instead of someone connected to the manic world and cyberspace as well!!!! Sent from my heart... Jules On 9/30/09, Simon Royal wrote: > Jules > > Hens don't stop and stare, they are always on the go, scrapping for > food and digging holes. > > Simon > > --- sent from my chicken pen. > > > > On 30 Sep 2009, at 12:21, Jules Slaughter wrote: > > > To stop and stare like sheep and cows, or hens........ > > > Simon Royal > --- > Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal > . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, > SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- Jules CalmClasses & Therapies to improve your health. My business works on referrals. If you like what I do, please tell others. If not, please tell me. From david at vanedwards.co.uk Wed Sep 30 14:57:47 2009 From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:57:47 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Little fan offered Message-ID: I've got a 12v DC fan from a hard drive enclosure, a little square job 40 x 40mm x 8mm pretty well brand new, only worth pennies but seems a shame to just bin it. Free to good, or even bad, home! Best wishes, David -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk From minkennison at mac.com Wed Sep 30 14:41:32 2009 From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:41:32 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Parallels Message-ID: <8D5E4C61-9124-4CB7-8B06-1EC10734A23B@mac.com> Since upgrading to Snow leopard I have not had cause to use Parallels on my MBP. Today, having decided that a trip to the darker side was necessary to complete some work, I opened the application and got a notice saying You can't use this version of the application Parallels Desktop.app with this version of Mac OXX. You have Parallels Desktop .app 3.0 I have been unable to find any upgrade to this to make it compatible with SL. Has anyone else found one or can they point me in the right direction. Thanks in advance Min From brian at clearlight.uk.net Wed Sep 30 14:34:44 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 14:34:44 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] Who Doesn't Own In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I cant seem to get mine going again ... But then it was mostly only a running commentary layer, like a movie running over the top of the real thing. Augmented reality - the new thing? (Or the same old thing at another level). I refer to the increasing capacity to obtain contextual information on iPhone etc when out in the world. Leading to something like the 'Terminator' screen on our retina? I run circle dance in Norwich - which I use as a moving meditation. You're welcome to join the dance - but not too talk computer stuff!! all the best Brian Jules Slaughter said recently: > But isn't it lovely to allow the brain to s t o p .... > > What is life if full of care > We have no time to stop and stare > To stop and stare like sheep and cows, or hens........ > > I think you all need to come to my yoga classes and experience what > it's like to allow the body to stop - moving and thinking. > > Bliss. > > Happy thinking!!! > > Jules > > > On 9/30/09, Simon Royal wrote: >> Jules >> >> Of course I experienced the summer, emailing and FaceBooking from the >> garden on my smart phone. :) >> >> >> Simon >> >> >> On 30 Sep 2009, at 11:59, Jules Slaughter wrote: >> >>> I glance at your chatter and wonder why you don't have a life outside >>> of a screen...???!!! Have you not experienced the wonderful summer >>> we've just had, been outside and smelt the roses.... >> >> >> Simon Royal >> --- >> Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal >> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, >> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> Manage your subscription at: >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >