From yahooist at anyisle.com  Thu Oct  1 00:18:34 2009
From: yahooist at anyisle.com (Neil S.)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 00:18:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Who Doesn't Own
In-Reply-To: <3E692516-DF40-4D52-8A5C-ECA0BD6BCADD@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <3E692516-DF40-4D52-8A5C-ECA0BD6BCADD@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <95A3342A-A4D3-4259-A438-9ED7FD3C4283@anyisle.com>

All,

	I, as many here, hold my hand up to those mentioned plus many more  
technological advances for my home and person such as:

Wireless networking
Wireless print server
Wireless Internet radio
iTunes to HiFi wireless-ly
iPhone
Blah, Blah, Blah

Those that don't have such because they have no need or interest, so  
be it.

Those that don't have broadband, email, mobile phones and digital  
media and have a superiority complex because of it - sod 'um. Techno  
REFUSENIKS one and all. See what happened to King Cnut, I say.

Don't get me started....

Regards...
Neil


On 29 Sep 2009, at 21:42, Simon Royal wrote:

> Doesn't own an iPod?
> Doesn't own a mobile phone?
> Hasn't upgraded to OSX yet?
> Is still using dial up?   -   aka  Doesn't have Broadband
> Doesn't have an email address?
> Doesn't have digital tv?
> Haven't used eBay?

--
Neil Stevens
Sent from my ? iMac G5




From allanmacam at me.com  Thu Oct  1 00:29:59 2009
From: allanmacam at me.com (Allan)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 00:29:59 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Parallels
In-Reply-To: <8D5E4C61-9124-4CB7-8B06-1EC10734A23B@mac.com>
References: <8D5E4C61-9124-4CB7-8B06-1EC10734A23B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E13ABB00-29DB-467B-A0B2-FFCA98BCAB45@me.com>

http://www.parallels.com/uk/products/desktop/?ClickID=asnszznwnrzntkr0n5v9loa9nktysovrarll


AJ


On 30 Sep 2009, at 14:41, Min Kennison wrote:

> Since upgrading to Snow leopard I have not had cause to use Parallels
> on my MBP.  Today, having decided that a trip to the darker side was
> necessary to complete some work, I opened the application and got a
> notice saying
>
>
> You can't use this version of the application Parallels Desktop.app
> with this version of Mac OXX.
> You have Parallels Desktop .app 3.0
>
>
>
>
> I have been unable to find any upgrade to this to make it compatible
> with SL.  Has anyone else found one or can they point me in the right
> direction.
> Thanks in advance
>
> Min
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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From kelvinyoungs at mac.com  Thu Oct  1 02:14:23 2009
From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 02:14:23 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New iMacs coming?
Message-ID: <AA377E4D-354B-4FA9-9833-BBB1E14E918D@mac.com>

http://macs.about.com/b/2009/09/24/new-imacs-may-be-closer-than-you-think.htm

Mmm maybe.

Kelvin


From minkennison at mac.com  Thu Oct  1 07:25:21 2009
From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 07:25:21 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Fwd:  Parallels
References: <E13ABB00-29DB-467B-A0B2-FFCA98BCAB45@me.com>
Message-ID: <4FC5C62D-E748-4697-AAD1-56A06D07D990@mac.com>

Thanks Allan. I think I found every Parallels page except the one you  
have sent.  Now for the download!

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Allan <allanmacam at me.com>
> Date: 1 October 2009 00:29:59 GMT+01:00
> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Parallels
> Reply-To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>
> http://www.parallels.com/uk/products/desktop/?ClickID=asnszznwnrzntkr0n5v9loa9nktysovrarll
>
>
> AJ
>
>


From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Thu Oct  1 07:26:04 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 07:26:04 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Parallels
In-Reply-To: <E13ABB00-29DB-467B-A0B2-FFCA98BCAB45@me.com>
References: <8D5E4C61-9124-4CB7-8B06-1EC10734A23B@mac.com>
	<E13ABB00-29DB-467B-A0B2-FFCA98BCAB45@me.com>
Message-ID: <75287FEB-E9BF-4DA2-BFBF-6E0A53CC87A2@zen.co.uk>

I believe Parallels 4 can be had in the Apple Store in Norwich and is  
compatible.
On 1 Oct 2009, at 00:29, Allan wrote:

> http://www.parallels.com/uk/products/desktop/?ClickID=asnszznwnrzntkr0n5v9loa9nktysovrarll
>
>
> AJ
>
>
> On 30 Sep 2009, at 14:41, Min Kennison wrote:
>
>> Since upgrading to Snow leopard I have not had cause to use Parallels
>> on my MBP.  Today, having decided that a trip to the darker side was
>> necessary to complete some work, I opened the application and got a
>> notice saying
>>
>>
>> You can't use this version of the application Parallels Desktop.app
>> with this version of Mac OXX.
>> You have Parallels Desktop .app 3.0
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I have been unable to find any upgrade to this to make it compatible
>> with SL.  Has anyone else found one or can they point me in the right
>> direction.
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> Min
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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From jinshinjewels at googlemail.com  Thu Oct  1 07:42:17 2009
From: jinshinjewels at googlemail.com (Jules Slaughter)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 07:42:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Who Doesn't Own
In-Reply-To: <95A3342A-A4D3-4259-A438-9ED7FD3C4283@anyisle.com>
References: <3E692516-DF40-4D52-8A5C-ECA0BD6BCADD@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<95A3342A-A4D3-4259-A438-9ED7FD3C4283@anyisle.com>
Message-ID: <adb0e98a0909302342j7a7dc436seca33e7506727635@mail.gmail.com>

Guys, guys, guys,

Remember how this started - just a banter, sense of humour, a little
jesting, just putting over another point of view even - we can all get
too absorbed in our pursuits.  If we were in the pub, face to face
with a broad smile, you would know this was humour, not arrogance,
just pulling legs...

BIG SMILE....

Jules





On 10/1/09, Neil S. <yahooist at anyisle.com> wrote:
> All,
>
>         I, as many here, hold my hand up to those mentioned plus many more
>  technological advances for my home and person such as:
>
>  Wireless networking
>  Wireless print server
>  Wireless Internet radio
>  iTunes to HiFi wireless-ly
>  iPhone
>  Blah, Blah, Blah
>
>  Those that don't have such because they have no need or interest, so
>  be it.
>
>  Those that don't have broadband, email, mobile phones and digital
>  media and have a superiority complex because of it - sod 'um. Techno
>  REFUSENIKS one and all. See what happened to King Cnut, I say.
>
>  Don't get me started....
>
>  Regards...
>  Neil
>
>
>
>  On 29 Sep 2009, at 21:42, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>  > Doesn't own an iPod?
>  > Doesn't own a mobile phone?
>  > Hasn't upgraded to OSX yet?
>
> > Is still using dial up?   -   aka  Doesn't have Broadband
>
> > Doesn't have an email address?
>  > Doesn't have digital tv?
>  > Haven't used eBay?
>
>
> --
>  Neil Stevens
>  Sent from my ? iMac G5
>
>
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>  Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>


-- 
Jules

CalmClasses & Therapies
to improve your health.

My business works on referrals.
If you like what I do, please tell others.
If not, please tell me.

From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Thu Oct  1 08:09:01 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 08:09:01 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Who Doesn't Own
In-Reply-To: <adb0e98a0909302342j7a7dc436seca33e7506727635@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3E692516-DF40-4D52-8A5C-ECA0BD6BCADD@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<95A3342A-A4D3-4259-A438-9ED7FD3C4283@anyisle.com>
	<adb0e98a0909302342j7a7dc436seca33e7506727635@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C48B0786-38A4-4729-B90C-2AE86E4B45A9@gmail.com>


Hi Jules,

Thats the trouble with email/text, it's not always clear when someone  
is joking and things an be taken the wrong way.  Ending the email with  
"Just a bit of fun" might not be enough to make your statements come  
across as funny.
If you walked up to someone in a bar and made a rude comment about her  
hair but then ended with "no offence" would she still take offence?

Anyways, sit on the naughty step for 5 minutes.

By the way have you tried out Wii fit you can do a whole Yoga class  
standing on a electronic wireless balance board. haha.

Steve.



On 1 Oct 2009, at 07:42, Jules Slaughter wrote:

> If we were in the pub, face to face
> with a broad smile, you would know this was humour, not arrogance,
> just pulling legs...
>
> BIG SMILE....


From allanmacam at me.com  Thu Oct  1 08:21:50 2009
From: allanmacam at me.com (Allan)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 08:21:50 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] UK broadband 'not fit' for future
Message-ID: <78AE483F-524A-433C-843F-CCC3DCCBBDF7@me.com>

As if we didn't know.

http://thurly.net//5qk

From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Thu Oct  1 08:24:10 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 08:24:10 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New iMacs coming?
In-Reply-To: <AA377E4D-354B-4FA9-9833-BBB1E14E918D@mac.com>
References: <AA377E4D-354B-4FA9-9833-BBB1E14E918D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <A874D561-D298-42B6-9315-18C0AA71618C@gmail.com>


Yep, new iMacs just around the corner also I think we will see a new  
Mac mini soon too as stocks of the old mini have been depleted.  The  
basic MacBook is getting updated too...

Some say Blu-Ray drives will appear in this iMac refresh, I really  
don't know what to think about that.

I would like to see the AppleTV get updated too, but have not heard  
anything about the ATV.

Steve.



On 1 Oct 2009, at 02:14, Kelvin Youngs wrote:

> http://macs.about.com/b/2009/09/24/new-imacs-may-be-closer-than-you-think.htm
>
> Mmm maybe.
>
> Kelvin
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Oct  1 09:11:37 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 09:11:37 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New iMacs coming?
In-Reply-To: <AA377E4D-354B-4FA9-9833-BBB1E14E918D@mac.com>
References: <AA377E4D-354B-4FA9-9833-BBB1E14E918D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <2D70BD07-182D-4008-8262-B83A90B22048@simonroyal.co.uk>

Kelvin

Stocks have been running out of Macs all over the place and no word of  
whether they will be restocked.

Looks like they are selling off their last ones before the new models  
come out.

Simon

On 1 Oct 2009, at 02:14, Kelvin Youngs wrote:

> http://macs.about.com/b/2009/09/24/new-imacs-may-be-closer-than-you-think.htm
>
> Mmm maybe.
>
> Kelvin
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
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. Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)









From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Oct  1 09:13:41 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 09:13:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Who Doesn't Own
In-Reply-To: <adb0e98a0909302342j7a7dc436seca33e7506727635@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3E692516-DF40-4D52-8A5C-ECA0BD6BCADD@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<95A3342A-A4D3-4259-A438-9ED7FD3C4283@anyisle.com>
	<adb0e98a0909302342j7a7dc436seca33e7506727635@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <10FF7A95-9133-4A25-AD00-019D918E8F7B@simonroyal.co.uk>

Jules

It was just started as a bit of fun.

Everyone has different tastes. Some prefer to sit in the sun on their  
garden furniture reading a novel and sipping a nice bottle of wine,  
others like to sit in the sun (of course making sure it doesn't glare  
on their screens) and surf away the glorious summer.

Each to their own.

Simon

On 1 Oct 2009, at 07:42, Jules Slaughter wrote:

> Guys, guys, guys,
>
> Remember how this started - just a banter, sense of humour, a little
> jesting, just putting over another point of view even - we can all get
> too absorbed in our pursuits.  If we were in the pub, face to face
> with a broad smile, you would know this was humour, not arrogance,
> just pulling legs...
>
> BIG SMILE....
>
> Jules
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10/1/09, Neil S. <yahooist at anyisle.com> wrote:
>> All,
>>
>>        I, as many here, hold my hand up to those mentioned plus  
>> many more
>> technological advances for my home and person such as:
>>
>> Wireless networking
>> Wireless print server
>> Wireless Internet radio
>> iTunes to HiFi wireless-ly
>> iPhone
>> Blah, Blah, Blah
>>
>> Those that don't have such because they have no need or interest, so
>> be it.
>>
>> Those that don't have broadband, email, mobile phones and digital
>> media and have a superiority complex because of it - sod 'um. Techno
>> REFUSENIKS one and all. See what happened to King Cnut, I say.
>>
>> Don't get me started....
>>
>> Regards...
>> Neil
>>
>>
>>
>> On 29 Sep 2009, at 21:42, Simon Royal wrote:
>>
>>> Doesn't own an iPod?
>>> Doesn't own a mobile phone?
>>> Hasn't upgraded to OSX yet?
>>
>>> Is still using dial up?   -   aka  Doesn't have Broadband
>>
>>> Doesn't have an email address?
>>> Doesn't have digital tv?
>>> Haven't used eBay?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Neil Stevens
>> Sent from my ? iMac G5
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Jules
>
> CalmClasses & Therapies
> to improve your health.
>
> My business works on referrals.
> If you like what I do, please tell others.
> If not, please tell me.
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

Simon Royal
---
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. Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)









From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com  Thu Oct  1 09:19:03 2009
From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 09:19:03 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Who Doesn't Own
In-Reply-To: <10FF7A95-9133-4A25-AD00-019D918E8F7B@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <3E692516-DF40-4D52-8A5C-ECA0BD6BCADD@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<95A3342A-A4D3-4259-A438-9ED7FD3C4283@anyisle.com>
	<adb0e98a0909302342j7a7dc436seca33e7506727635@mail.gmail.com>
	<10FF7A95-9133-4A25-AD00-019D918E8F7B@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4E10E1BB-72F7-4333-BDAD-DC715E0CFC14@gmail.com>

Here in Norwich we're more refined, we sip glasses of wine while we  
figure out how to wind up our Mac buddies
On 1 Oct 2009, at 09:13, Simon Royal wrote:

  sipping a nice bottle of wine,

Richard Stewart
rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com




From karl.hortt at btinternet.com  Thu Oct  1 09:31:38 2009
From: karl.hortt at btinternet.com (Karl hortt)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 09:31:38 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Who Doesn't Own
In-Reply-To: <4E10E1BB-72F7-4333-BDAD-DC715E0CFC14@gmail.com>
References: <3E692516-DF40-4D52-8A5C-ECA0BD6BCADD@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<95A3342A-A4D3-4259-A438-9ED7FD3C4283@anyisle.com>
	<adb0e98a0909302342j7a7dc436seca33e7506727635@mail.gmail.com>
	<10FF7A95-9133-4A25-AD00-019D918E8F7B@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4E10E1BB-72F7-4333-BDAD-DC715E0CFC14@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <72AA3038-53E0-4E9F-9048-64A7D375AC47@btinternet.com>


> sipping a nice bottle of wine,

This time of the morning !!!!


Karl




On 1 Oct 2009, at 09:19, Richard Stewart wrote:

> Here in Norwich we're more refined, we sip glasses of wine while we
> figure out how to wind up our Mac buddies
> On 1 Oct 2009, at 09:13, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>
>
> Richard Stewart
> rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com  Thu Oct  1 09:36:48 2009
From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 09:36:48 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Who Doesn't Own
In-Reply-To: <72AA3038-53E0-4E9F-9048-64A7D375AC47@btinternet.com>
References: <3E692516-DF40-4D52-8A5C-ECA0BD6BCADD@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<95A3342A-A4D3-4259-A438-9ED7FD3C4283@anyisle.com>
	<adb0e98a0909302342j7a7dc436seca33e7506727635@mail.gmail.com>
	<10FF7A95-9133-4A25-AD00-019D918E8F7B@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4E10E1BB-72F7-4333-BDAD-DC715E0CFC14@gmail.com>
	<72AA3038-53E0-4E9F-9048-64A7D375AC47@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <BFCF0A4D-AB2F-4CC2-B89E-7648EC78B855@gmail.com>

I did say I was trying figure out ways to wind you up!!!! And it's so  
uncouth to drink beer while emailing, don't you agree?
On 1 Oct 2009, at 09:31, Karl hortt wrote:

This time of the morning !!!!

Richard Stewart
rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com





From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Thu Oct  1 12:11:10 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 07:11:10 -0400
Subject: [NMUG] UK broadband 'not fit' for future
In-Reply-To: <78AE483F-524A-433C-843F-CCC3DCCBBDF7@me.com>
References: <78AE483F-524A-433C-843F-CCC3DCCBBDF7@me.com>
Message-ID: <4AC48E4E.6040800@stackyard.org>

Don't get me started!  Thank you very much to successive governments and 
successive BT management for woefully inadequate network investment!  
After all, who needs data communication anyway?  That's the sort of 
thing FOREIGN people use.

Allan wrote:
> As if we didn't know.
>
> http://thurly.net//5qk
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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>   

From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Thu Oct  1 12:26:30 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:26:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows 7
Message-ID: <E30C1457-BEDE-4E7B-BF32-A4C80D7DC694@gmail.com>

Hi,
now that Snow Leopard is settled in is anyone planning to install  
windows 7 on Oct 22nd?

Anyone having a Windows 7 launch party?

I don't have a need for Windows 7, XP currently does what I need it to.


Steve. 

From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Oct  1 12:30:03 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:30:03 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <E30C1457-BEDE-4E7B-BF32-A4C80D7DC694@gmail.com>
References: <E30C1457-BEDE-4E7B-BF32-A4C80D7DC694@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DDB35AA6-223B-41CE-9C15-03F3A5C5FE0B@simonroyal.co.uk>

Steve

I won't be installing it, as like you say XP does everything my wife  
needs. But I have tried it out and it is everything Vista should have  
been.

Also on the same hardware Windows 7 runs so much better and smoother  
than Windows Vista.

Simon

On 1 Oct 2009, at 12:26, Steve Batch wrote:

> Hi,
> now that Snow Leopard is settled in is anyone planning to install
> windows 7 on Oct 22nd?
>
> Anyone having a Windows 7 launch party?
>
> I don't have a need for Windows 7, XP currently does what I need it  
> to.
>
>
> Steve.
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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From cruachan.beatus at googlemail.com  Thu Oct  1 12:35:52 2009
From: cruachan.beatus at googlemail.com (Campbell)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 12:35:52 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhone v Googlemail
Message-ID: <58ab5cce0910010435i16e20810s22e7906e0ce0b488@mail.gmail.com>

Hello again Richard,
                               Home now guest free. Returned to what passes
for normal.
                               Bingo!   Picasa Web wotsit [sorry about the
geek speak!] has neatly and comprehensibly solved the problem.
                                Most grateful,
                                    John

From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Thu Oct  1 12:45:59 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 07:45:59 -0400
Subject: [NMUG] Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <E30C1457-BEDE-4E7B-BF32-A4C80D7DC694@gmail.com>
References: <E30C1457-BEDE-4E7B-BF32-A4C80D7DC694@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AC49677.9070109@stackyard.org>

Probably not exactly on October 22nd but as soon as I get the media and 
have the time.  I've been running the release candidate on my Toshiba 
laptop and it has been fine.  Very fast to boot and shut down.  Sort of 
like Vista without the irritations and horrible performance (I would 
love to know what Vista does on boot-up to take as long as it does - 
agonizing).

I think I might just pass on the party.  This is a great example of 
really embarrassing marketing.

Ken

Steve Batch wrote:
> Hi,
> now that Snow Leopard is settled in is anyone planning to install  
> windows 7 on Oct 22nd?
>
> Anyone having a Windows 7 launch party?
>
> I don't have a need for Windows 7, XP currently does what I need it to.
>
>
> Steve. 
> _______________________________________________
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>   

From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com  Thu Oct  1 13:22:02 2009
From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 13:22:02 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Arranging bookmarks
Message-ID: <85C880D1-B636-49C3-B01F-5CB7451B1A4B@gmail.com>

Can anyone tell me how to arrange my Safari Bookmarks alphabetically?
Richard Stewart
rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com




From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Thu Oct  1 13:26:38 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 13:26:38 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Arranging bookmarks
In-Reply-To: <85C880D1-B636-49C3-B01F-5CB7451B1A4B@gmail.com>
References: <85C880D1-B636-49C3-B01F-5CB7451B1A4B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <80809B81-EA65-46AA-A509-A669A4DF0B46@gmail.com>


Hi,

Ths thread may help:

http://server.durrant.co.uk/pipermail/nmug/2009-September/021760.html

Steve.

On 1 Oct 2009, at 13:22, Richard Stewart wrote:

> Can anyone tell me how to arrange my Safari Bookmarks alphabetically?


From macman at f2s.com  Thu Oct  1 13:34:35 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 13:34:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <E30C1457-BEDE-4E7B-BF32-A4C80D7DC694@gmail.com>
References: <E30C1457-BEDE-4E7B-BF32-A4C80D7DC694@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EEC2E679-8DD6-42C5-A1EA-3CE0288BDF5F@f2s.com>

I've been running the free Release Candidate for a couple of months  
under VirtualBox, and it's certainly seems the nicest and slickest  
Windows so far.  My only difficulty has been getting it to see the  
printer, but to be fair, I haven't tried too hard, as I only want it  
to see how our website looks in IE.

May come as a shock to some of you, but I've just bought a little  
Netbook running XP for my disabled wife - she is bedridden and I want  
her to have some simple means of communication and diversion.    It's  
light & small, and just fits nicely on the bedside table so she can  
surf, watch video and use the webcam.  It has, however, reinforced my  
loyalty to Apple, as setting it all up has taken me hours!

Not at all intuitive: all seems very cack handed after the Mac........

Robbie





On 1 Oct 2009, at 12:26, Steve Batch wrote:

Hi,
now that Snow Leopard is settled in is anyone planning to install
windows 7 on Oct 22nd?

Anyone having a Windows 7 launch party?

I don't have a need for Windows 7, XP currently does what I need it to.


Steve.
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From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Thu Oct  1 19:23:47 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (Stefan Pietrzak Youngs)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 19:23:47 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Apple at PC World
Message-ID: <88CCBCF1-521A-491E-9B9F-06977260EB04@gmail.com>

In the euphoria of the new AppleStore it might be easy to forget the  
efforts made by fellow NMUG member and Apple employee Jon Fowler up  
there at PC World Sweetbriar Road Norwich. He's battling against the  
PC tide on a daily basis and seemingly has been doing a grand job  
converting a fair number each month to abandon the Dark Side. I heard  
from an Apple source that one of the reasons Norwich got its own Apple  
store is the success Jon has had to date in the Norwich area.

So just a suggestion here: if you're in the market for another Mac or  
know someone who is, don't forget to give Jon a crack at the business.  
In the end, it's all Apple anyway, and I personally like to give  
anyone battling the PC tide all the help I can.

From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Thu Oct  1 20:08:06 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 20:08:06 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Apple at PC World
In-Reply-To: <88CCBCF1-521A-491E-9B9F-06977260EB04@gmail.com>
References: <88CCBCF1-521A-491E-9B9F-06977260EB04@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <72809D01-428C-481D-92CA-E7E001451994@gmail.com>

I remember going in to PCW before the Mac section was there and they  
had about 3 or 4 Macs on a shelf, I was drooling over a 12 inch  
powerbook G4, I'd never seen workmanship like this before in a  
computer every curve every detail was refined.  A fat bloke in a  
purple shirt waddled over and said "Mac huh, we don't get much demand  
for them, if you are interested in laptops have you seen these ones  
over here they are 64bit ready" but I was already sold on the Mac.

Steve.


On 1 Oct 2009, at 19:23, Stefan Pietrzak Youngs wrote:

> don't forget to give Jon a crack


From rrandlesome at mac.com  Thu Oct  1 20:21:28 2009
From: rrandlesome at mac.com (Richard Randlesome)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 20:21:28 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Apple at PC World
In-Reply-To: <72809D01-428C-481D-92CA-E7E001451994@gmail.com>
References: <88CCBCF1-521A-491E-9B9F-06977260EB04@gmail.com>
	<72809D01-428C-481D-92CA-E7E001451994@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FF5D4DEA-C0FA-4493-9ED3-18F9A43576B2@mac.com>

I bought my Bondi G3 iMac from PC World in 1998,  later upgraded to a  
Blueberry one.
That is the only time I have ever bought a computer from PC world,  
others since have been from the online Apple store.
Don't know if I upgraded macs again I would use PCW.

Richard


On 1 Oct 2009, at 20:08, Steve Batch wrote:

> I remember going in to PCW before the Mac section was there and they
> had about 3 or 4 Macs on a shelf, I was drooling over a 12 inch
> powerbook G4, I'd never seen workmanship like this before in a
> computer every curve every detail was refined.  A fat bloke in a
> purple shirt waddled over and said "Mac huh, we don't get much demand
> for them, if you are interested in laptops have you seen these ones
> over here they are 64bit ready" but I was already sold on the Mac.
>
> Steve.
>
>
> On 1 Oct 2009, at 19:23, Stefan Pietrzak Youngs wrote:
>
>> don't forget to give Jon a crack
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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> listinfo/nmug


From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com  Thu Oct  1 20:33:23 2009
From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 20:33:23 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhoto
Message-ID: <857E58C2-8938-47B7-A2E6-EE86E0363B50@ruthmurray.f2s.com>

Does anyone know whether iPhoto can be 'pointed' to photos on an  
external drive in the same way as iTunes can be pointed to music held  
externally.

I have just loaded Panther onto a Powerbook G4 and the iPhoto which  
comes with that is iPhoto 2.0!  He only has a 20GB hard drive so I  
can't overload it.

Any ideas folks?

Ruth


From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Thu Oct  1 20:36:25 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 20:36:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhoto
In-Reply-To: <857E58C2-8938-47B7-A2E6-EE86E0363B50@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
References: <857E58C2-8938-47B7-A2E6-EE86E0363B50@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
Message-ID: <B7F5C933-E6C7-4AA7-8DDE-47242DDF2F63@gmail.com>


Yesh, hold down 'alt' key when clicking on the iPhoto icon, keep  
holding the key down until you get a message saying "choose photo  
library" from here you can choose a different library or create a new  
library on an external drive.

Steve.


On 1 Oct 2009, at 20:33, Ruth Murray wrote:

> Does anyone know whether iPhoto can be 'pointed' to photos on an
> external drive in the same way as iTunes can be pointed to music held
> externally.


From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Thu Oct  1 20:41:10 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 20:41:10 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhoto
In-Reply-To: <B7F5C933-E6C7-4AA7-8DDE-47242DDF2F63@gmail.com>
References: <857E58C2-8938-47B7-A2E6-EE86E0363B50@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
	<B7F5C933-E6C7-4AA7-8DDE-47242DDF2F63@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <95F89B76-8603-4336-A31E-6762486AF0BD@zen.co.uk>

My Dad had major issues with what seems a corrupt iPhoto Library after  
upgrading to 10.6.

There is an app called iPhoto Library Manager which manages multiple  
libraries. Free until you want to use specific items. Can be used to  
rebuild the library if the built in Apple version doesn't

Ace!

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 1 Oct 2009, at 20:36, Steve Batch wrote:

>
> Yesh, hold down 'alt' key when clicking on the iPhoto icon, keep
> holding the key down until you get a message saying "choose photo
> library" from here you can choose a different library or create a new
> library on an external drive.
>
> Steve.
>
>
> On 1 Oct 2009, at 20:33, Ruth Murray wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know whether iPhoto can be 'pointed' to photos on an
>> external drive in the same way as iTunes can be pointed to music held
>> externally.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com  Thu Oct  1 20:45:11 2009
From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 20:45:11 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhoto
In-Reply-To: <B7F5C933-E6C7-4AA7-8DDE-47242DDF2F63@gmail.com>
References: <857E58C2-8938-47B7-A2E6-EE86E0363B50@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
	<B7F5C933-E6C7-4AA7-8DDE-47242DDF2F63@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2381082D-3D37-436F-9E32-EDF67B8A290F@ruthmurray.f2s.com>

HI guys

Thanks but I'm not sure you quite get my question. Creating different  
libraries are no problem. But because iPhoto creates a folder (which  
looks like a file) with all your photo content inside it on your main  
hard drive I cannot store it there. (not enough room)

Ruth


On 1 Oct 2009, at 20:36, Steve Batch wrote:

>
> Yesh, hold down 'alt' key when clicking on the iPhoto icon, keep
> holding the key down until you get a message saying "choose photo
> library" from here you can choose a different library or create a new
> library on an external drive.
>
> Steve.
>
>
> On 1 Oct 2009, at 20:33, Ruth Murray wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know whether iPhoto can be 'pointed' to photos on an
>> external drive in the same way as iTunes can be pointed to music held
>> externally.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ 
> listinfo/nmug
>

Ruth Murray
ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com

Ruth Murray
Graphic Design and Illustration
01603 632334

Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net





From allanmacam at me.com  Thu Oct  1 20:49:36 2009
From: allanmacam at me.com (Allan)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2009 20:49:36 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhoto
In-Reply-To: <2381082D-3D37-436F-9E32-EDF67B8A290F@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
References: <857E58C2-8938-47B7-A2E6-EE86E0363B50@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
	<B7F5C933-E6C7-4AA7-8DDE-47242DDF2F63@gmail.com>
	<2381082D-3D37-436F-9E32-EDF67B8A290F@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
Message-ID: <9595A82D-E97A-4A5D-94B9-8A0DC824D552@me.com>

It's no problem. I do it all the time with iPhoto and Aperture  
libraries. Saves having them backed up again and again.

Just move/make a copy of the library to were you want it to live and  
use the technique mentioned  below to point to the library you have  
moved. if all works well, you can delete the library in the oroginal  
location.

AJ


On 1 Oct 2009, at 20:45, Ruth Murray wrote:

> HI guys
>
> Thanks but I'm not sure you quite get my question. Creating different
> libraries are no problem. But because iPhoto creates a folder (which
> looks like a file) with all your photo content inside it on your main
> hard drive I cannot store it there. (not enough room)
>
> Ruth
>
>
> On 1 Oct 2009, at 20:36, Steve Batch wrote:
>
>>
>> Yesh, hold down 'alt' key when clicking on the iPhoto icon, keep
>> holding the key down until you get a message saying "choose photo
>> library" from here you can choose a different library or create a new
>> library on an external drive.
>>
>> Steve.
>>
>>
>> On 1 Oct 2009, at 20:33, Ruth Murray wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone know whether iPhoto can be 'pointed' to photos on an
>>> external drive in the same way as iTunes can be pointed to music  
>>> held
>>> externally.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/
>> listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> Ruth Murray
> ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com
>
> Ruth Murray
> Graphic Design and Illustration
> 01603 632334
>
> Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net
>
>
>
>
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From therealcazorla at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Oct  2 09:49:50 2009
From: therealcazorla at yahoo.co.uk (julia cazorla)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 01:49:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NMUG] re G4 start up disc: Help!
Message-ID: <881709.34936.qm@web24301.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

I have a G4 laptop, bought in 2004:?we've moved twice in the year, had stuff in storage and found that when we try to start it up, the spinning wheel begins to turn and then the screen goes to black with a prompt for the password (which I can't remember).

?Apple have said that inserting the start up disc and pressing 'c' should give an option to create a new password, but I can't find where I've put the?discs during the moves,though I've been searching for weeks.

Is it possible to use any start up disc and does the start up disc have to be for the same version of Os X ?

Could someone lend me a compatible start up disc so I can get the mac up and running again until I find my own disc?

I found a thread on a forum about this, where someone gave some commands to enter into the mac, to get round the problem without start up discs, but the user got to a point where?she was stuck and uncertain how to continue: Link follows: ??http://www.notebookforums.com/thread190423.html

Best 

Julia Cazorla
Once you have pure and sincere motivation, all the rest follows.? You can develop this right attitude toward others on the basis of kindness, love and respect, and on the clear realisation of the oneness of all human beings.? This is important because others benefit by this motivation as much as by anything we do. Then, with a pure heart, you can carry on any work....and your profession becomes a real instrument to help the community.
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From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Fri Oct  2 10:25:03 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 10:25:03 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Who Doesn't Own
In-Reply-To: <C6E91D04.2FE19%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
References: <C6E91D04.2FE19%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
Message-ID: <5BB9FC68-E636-4EFF-B7A3-9251375AA392@gmail.com>


You say it like its a bad thing, I will be the first in line to get an  
iRetina installed

Steve.


On 30 Sep 2009, at 14:34, Brian Steere wrote:

> I refer to the increasing capacity to obtain contextual information on
> iPhone etc when out in the world. Leading to something like the  
> 'Terminator'
> screen on our retina?


From macman at f2s.com  Fri Oct  2 11:08:52 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:08:52 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Who Doesn't Own
In-Reply-To: <5BB9FC68-E636-4EFF-B7A3-9251375AA392@gmail.com>
References: <C6E91D04.2FE19%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
	<5BB9FC68-E636-4EFF-B7A3-9251375AA392@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BB897734-C1F4-48CD-ADBB-4FE58A506A34@f2s.com>

... or an iiRis?


Robbie

On 2 Oct 2009, at 10:25, Steve Batch wrote:


You say it like its a bad thing, I will be the first in line to get an
iRetina installed

Steve.


On 30 Sep 2009, at 14:34, Brian Steere wrote:

> I refer to the increasing capacity to obtain contextual information on
> iPhone etc when out in the world. Leading to something like the
> 'Terminator'
> screen on our retina?

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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Fri Oct  2 11:29:17 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:29:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] re G4 start up disc: Help!
In-Reply-To: <881709.34936.qm@web24301.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
References: <881709.34936.qm@web24301.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <99084675-0D0D-485B-A157-C73B3215910F@durrant.co.uk>

I'd try giving the suggestion in that article a go. It should work.

Or you could try giving the new Norwich Apple Store a ring - perhaps  
book a time at the "genius" bar. 01603 21 66 00 http://www.apple.com/uk/retail/chapelfield/

regards,

Paul


On 2 Oct 2009, at 09:49, julia cazorla wrote:

> I have a G4 laptop, bought in 2004: we've moved twice in the year,  
> had stuff in storage and found that when we try to start it up, the  
> spinning wheel begins to turn and then the screen goes to black with  
> a prompt for the password (which I can't remember).
>
>  Apple have said that inserting the start up disc and pressing 'c'  
> should give an option to create a new password, but I can't find  
> where I've put the discs during the moves,though I've been searching  
> for weeks.
>
> Is it possible to use any start up disc and does the start up disc  
> have to be for the same version of Os X ?
>
> Could someone lend me a compatible start up disc so I can get the  
> mac up and running again until I find my own disc?
>
> I found a thread on a forum about this, where someone gave some  
> commands to enter into the mac, to get round the problem without  
> start up discs, but the user got to a point where she was stuck and  
> uncertain how to continue: Link follows:   http://www.notebookforums.com/thread190423.html
>
> Best
>
> Julia Cazorla


From p.hunter at ntlworld.com  Fri Oct  2 13:13:04 2009
From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 13:13:04 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] QuickTime Problem (Maybe!)
Message-ID: <B2390709-3DC8-444C-B005-4A7D3560007F@ntlworld.com>

Hi all you 'experts'.

Can anyone help me resolve a problem please.

Some time ago I purchased a DVD set of 'Standard & Advanced'  
Dictionaries for BSL. I have been using these with no problems on a  
Windows PC for some time. However, as I have now been able to move  
back permanently to Mac, and as the DVDs say 'suitable for use on  
Windows, Mac & Linux' I assumed they would work ok.

My Mac is an eMac with a 1.42 GHz G4 processor, 1 GB RAM. Running OS  
X 10.4.11 (Tiger).

The DVDs installed and run ok, giving the list of words and ability  
to type in the word I am looking for, no problem there. What is meant  
to happen next, after I click on the word, is that a video screen  
opens up and displays a clip of a person signing that word.

What actually happens is that the video window opens, but instead of  
the video clip playing I get a greyed out 'Q' with a question mark in  
the middle. It's as if Quicktime can't find the video clips (which  
are on the DVD).

The DVD has to be in the drive all the time, and the Mac version of  
the program is designed to use Quicktime.

My version of QT Player is 7.2.?

I have searched the makers website for a solution, with no joy. I  
have also sent them an email, but had no reply so far.

Any help or assistance with this would be most appreciated.

Best regards.

Peter


From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Fri Oct  2 14:45:01 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 14:45:01 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] QuickTime Problem (Maybe!)
In-Reply-To: <B2390709-3DC8-444C-B005-4A7D3560007F@ntlworld.com>
References: <B2390709-3DC8-444C-B005-4A7D3560007F@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <65BE9804-D165-453E-8134-87667D6ADD56@gmail.com>

Hi Peter, I'm not an expert but I'll have a go.

Make sure you have Adobe Shockwave plug-in installed <http://get.adobe.com/shockwave/ 
 > as the BSL software requires it.

Steve.


On 2 Oct 2009, at 13:13, Peter Hunter wrote:

> the video window opens, but instead of
> the video clip playing I get a greyed out 'Q' with a question mark in
> the middle


From p.hunter at ntlworld.com  Fri Oct  2 17:18:31 2009
From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 17:18:31 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] QuickTime Problem (Maybe!)
In-Reply-To: <65BE9804-D165-453E-8134-87667D6ADD56@gmail.com>
References: <B2390709-3DC8-444C-B005-4A7D3560007F@ntlworld.com>
	<65BE9804-D165-453E-8134-87667D6ADD56@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B79AFE19-6203-4702-B21F-B9FBE62C55EA@ntlworld.com>

Hi Steve, thanks for that. I installed the Shockwave plug-in, but  
still the same.

I don't know if this helps, but when I click on the word and the  
window opens with the Q and ? in it, the address line points to this  
location for the clip (which is on the DVD). I don't quite understand  
all of this, but someone might.

file:///Applications/The%20Standard%20BSL%20Dictionary%20(DVD% 
20Version).app/Contents/Resources/app/text/frame.html

Regards,  Peter



On 2 Oct 2009, at 14:45, Steve Batch wrote:

> Hi Peter, I'm not an expert but I'll have a go.
>
> Make sure you have Adobe Shockwave plug-in installed <http:// 
> get.adobe.com/shockwave/
>>

From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk  Fri Oct  2 18:15:55 2009
From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 18:15:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Bookmarks gone_Help!
Message-ID: <2CA29509-3A99-42F6-96D3-AB0342B4FDDA@themagic.me.uk>

I was editing Safari Bookmarks Bar when, from the bottom of the list  
they scrolled upwards, disappearing as they went, leaving only one  
which had been the bottom one. I hope and assume TimeMachine has them  
from earlier today but where, please!
Anthony


From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Fri Oct  2 18:30:06 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 18:30:06 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Bookmarks gone_Help!
In-Reply-To: <2CA29509-3A99-42F6-96D3-AB0342B4FDDA@themagic.me.uk>
References: <2CA29509-3A99-42F6-96D3-AB0342B4FDDA@themagic.me.uk>
Message-ID: <D58D547A-DFD5-490E-B95A-2F106927A24E@gmail.com>


Hi, the Safari bookmarks are held in:  /users/user/Library/Safari/ 
Bookmarks.plist

You should be able to copy the backed up .plist file over the current  
one (close Safari first)

Steve.


On 2 Oct 2009, at 18:15, Anthony Brahams wrote:

> I hope and assume TimeMachine has them
> from earlier today but where, please!


From munkt0n at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 19:23:39 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:23:39 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] QuickTime Problem (Maybe!)
In-Reply-To: <B79AFE19-6203-4702-B21F-B9FBE62C55EA@ntlworld.com>
References: <B2390709-3DC8-444C-B005-4A7D3560007F@ntlworld.com>
	<65BE9804-D165-453E-8134-87667D6ADD56@gmail.com>
	<B79AFE19-6203-4702-B21F-B9FBE62C55EA@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0910021123m3fc3b3d8n9447f10334a1e882@mail.gmail.com>

that's an html file contained within

"The Standard BSL Dictionary (DVD Version)" which should be in your
Applications folder.

If it's not in your Applications folder you may need to run an
installer or copy something from the DVD to your Applications folder.

what happens if you paste this into the address bar in safari?

file:///Applications/The%20Standard%20BSL%20Dictionary%20(DVD%20Version).app/Content/Resources/app/text/frame.html

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Peter Hunter <p.hunter at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Hi Steve, thanks for that. I installed the Shockwave plug-in, but
> still the same.
>
> I don't know if this helps, but when I click on the word and the
> window opens with the Q and ? in it, the address line points to this
> location for the clip (which is on the DVD). I don't quite understand
> all of this, but someone might.
>
> file:///Applications/The%20Standard%20BSL%20Dictionary%20(DVD%
> 20Version).app/Contents/Resources/app/text/frame.html
>
> Regards, ?Peter
>
>
>
> On 2 Oct 2009, at 14:45, Steve Batch wrote:
>
>> Hi Peter, I'm not an expert but I'll have a go.
>>
>> Make sure you have Adobe Shockwave plug-in installed <http://
>> get.adobe.com/shockwave/
>>>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Oct  2 19:29:00 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:29:00 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Blinking Lights
Message-ID: <2181C88B-B958-4825-B1BF-B57FFF8B6FB9@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

Am I the only one who missing blinking lights or activity lights on  
computers.

Once upon a time there was a light for hard drive activity and a light  
for optical drive (or floppy drive) activity. But we don't seem to see  
those anymore.

I have a PCMCIA card in the slot (instead of an internal Airport card)  
of my PowerBook for wireless and it has a solid power light and a  
light that flashes whenever I transfer data, other than that no other  
lights.

Sometimes these were handy to tell whether something was working of not.

Simon Royal
---
Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal 
. Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)









From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Fri Oct  2 19:58:17 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:58:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Blinking Lights
In-Reply-To: <2181C88B-B958-4825-B1BF-B57FFF8B6FB9@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <2181C88B-B958-4825-B1BF-B57FFF8B6FB9@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <48E1A576-A133-4C83-893E-BD32414F03E3@gmail.com>


Strangely I was thinking about this too..  I was thinking that I don't  
really mind not having blinking lights as most of the time they are an  
annoyance BUT I do find the subtle grinding noise of the hard drive  
useful to know when there is disk activity going on and when I upgrade  
to an SSD which will be silent I will actually miss the hard drive  
noise...

I used to have a little app on windows that sat in the system tray and  
indicated hdd activity with pretend blinking lights, I don't know if  
something similar is available for OS X but I might need it with SSD.

Steve.



On 2 Oct 2009, at 19:29, Simon Royal wrote:

> Sometimes these were handy to tell whether something was working of  
> not.


From p.hunter at ntlworld.com  Fri Oct  2 20:07:04 2009
From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 20:07:04 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] QuickTime Problem (Maybe!)
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0910021123m3fc3b3d8n9447f10334a1e882@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B2390709-3DC8-444C-B005-4A7D3560007F@ntlworld.com>
	<65BE9804-D165-453E-8134-87667D6ADD56@gmail.com>
	<B79AFE19-6203-4702-B21F-B9FBE62C55EA@ntlworld.com>
	<ac224bde0910021123m3fc3b3d8n9447f10334a1e882@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8634EFB8-6B4F-4E7F-9DCA-9A83662E2415@ntlworld.com>

Hi Scot,
It just says safari can't find the file.

On 2 Oct 2009, at 19:23, Scott Matthews wrote:

> that's an html file contained within
>
> "The Standard BSL Dictionary (DVD Version)" which should be in your
> Applications folder.
>
> If it's not in your Applications folder you may need to run an
> installer or copy something from the DVD to your Applications folder.
>
> what happens if you paste this into the address bar in safari?
>
> file:///Applications/The%20Standard%20BSL%20Dictionary%20(DVD% 
> 20Version).app/Content/Resources/app/text/frame.html
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Peter Hunter  
> <p.hunter at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> Hi Steve, thanks for that. I installed the Shockwave plug-in, but
>> still the same.
>>
>> I don't know if this helps, but when I click on the word and the
>> window opens with the Q and ? in it, the address line points to this
>> location for the clip (which is on the DVD). I don't quite understand
>> all of this, but someone might.
>>
>> file:///Applications/The%20Standard%20BSL%20Dictionary%20(DVD%
>> 20Version).app/Contents/Resources/app/text/frame.html
>>
>> Regards,  Peter
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2 Oct 2009, at 14:45, Steve Batch wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Peter, I'm not an expert but I'll have a go.
>>>
>>> Make sure you have Adobe Shockwave plug-in installed <http://
>>> get.adobe.com/shockwave/
>>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ 
>> listinfo/nmug
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> :wq
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ 
> listinfo/nmug


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Oct  2 21:48:11 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 21:48:11 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Blinking Lights
In-Reply-To: <48E1A576-A133-4C83-893E-BD32414F03E3@gmail.com>
References: <2181C88B-B958-4825-B1BF-B57FFF8B6FB9@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<48E1A576-A133-4C83-893E-BD32414F03E3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B5AE6485-EDF5-46BE-8EF5-ABAAB0DC7EF8@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

I have searched Google and cannot find a program that does this. A  
simple thing in the menu bar would be excellent and it seems a lot of  
other people would like one too.

Simon

On 2 Oct 2009, at 19:58, Steve Batch wrote:

>
> Strangely I was thinking about this too..  I was thinking that I don't
> really mind not having blinking lights as most of the time they are an
> annoyance BUT I do find the subtle grinding noise of the hard drive
> useful to know when there is disk activity going on and when I upgrade
> to an SSD which will be silent I will actually miss the hard drive
> noise...
>
> I used to have a little app on windows that sat in the system tray and
> indicated hdd activity with pretend blinking lights, I don't know if
> something similar is available for OS X but I might need it with SSD.
>
> Steve.
>
>
>
> On 2 Oct 2009, at 19:29, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> Sometimes these were handy to tell whether something was working of
>> not.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal 
. Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)









From munkt0n at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 21:52:56 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 21:52:56 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Blinking Lights
In-Reply-To: <B5AE6485-EDF5-46BE-8EF5-ABAAB0DC7EF8@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <2181C88B-B958-4825-B1BF-B57FFF8B6FB9@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<48E1A576-A133-4C83-893E-BD32414F03E3@gmail.com>
	<B5AE6485-EDF5-46BE-8EF5-ABAAB0DC7EF8@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0910021352x709dc5dev5d8923ff10bc3a72@mail.gmail.com>

try iStat Menus

http://www.islayer.com/apps/istatmenus/

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I have searched Google and cannot find a program that does this. A
> simple thing in the menu bar would be excellent and it seems a lot of
> other people would like one too.
>
> Simon
>
> On 2 Oct 2009, at 19:58, Steve Batch wrote:
>
>>
>> Strangely I was thinking about this too.. ?I was thinking that I don't
>> really mind not having blinking lights as most of the time they are an
>> annoyance BUT I do find the subtle grinding noise of the hard drive
>> useful to know when there is disk activity going on and when I upgrade
>> to an SSD which will be silent I will actually miss the hard drive
>> noise...
>>
>> I used to have a little app on windows that sat in the system tray and
>> indicated hdd activity with pretend blinking lights, I don't know if
>> something similar is available for OS X but I might need it with SSD.
>>
>> Steve.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2 Oct 2009, at 19:29, Simon Royal wrote:
>>
>>> Sometimes these were handy to tell whether something was working of
>>> not.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal
> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



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From munkt0n at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 21:54:07 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 21:54:07 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] QuickTime Problem (Maybe!)
In-Reply-To: <8634EFB8-6B4F-4E7F-9DCA-9A83662E2415@ntlworld.com>
References: <B2390709-3DC8-444C-B005-4A7D3560007F@ntlworld.com>
	<65BE9804-D165-453E-8134-87667D6ADD56@gmail.com>
	<B79AFE19-6203-4702-B21F-B9FBE62C55EA@ntlworld.com>
	<ac224bde0910021123m3fc3b3d8n9447f10334a1e882@mail.gmail.com>
	<8634EFB8-6B4F-4E7F-9DCA-9A83662E2415@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0910021354s5e062f2dmddbc5b2825b60c5c@mail.gmail.com>

do you have an application called "The Standard BSL Dictionary (DVD
Version)" in your Applications folder?

On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Peter Hunter <p.hunter at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Hi Scot,
> It just says safari can't find the file.
>
> On 2 Oct 2009, at 19:23, Scott Matthews wrote:
>
>> that's an html file contained within
>>
>> "The Standard BSL Dictionary (DVD Version)" which should be in your
>> Applications folder.
>>
>> If it's not in your Applications folder you may need to run an
>> installer or copy something from the DVD to your Applications folder.
>>
>> what happens if you paste this into the address bar in safari?
>>
>> file:///Applications/The%20Standard%20BSL%20Dictionary%20(DVD%
>> 20Version).app/Content/Resources/app/text/frame.html
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Peter Hunter
>> <p.hunter at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Steve, thanks for that. I installed the Shockwave plug-in, but
>>> still the same.
>>>
>>> I don't know if this helps, but when I click on the word and the
>>> window opens with the Q and ? in it, the address line points to this
>>> location for the clip (which is on the DVD). I don't quite understand
>>> all of this, but someone might.
>>>
>>> file:///Applications/The%20Standard%20BSL%20Dictionary%20(DVD%
>>> 20Version).app/Contents/Resources/app/text/frame.html
>>>
>>> Regards, ?Peter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2 Oct 2009, at 14:45, Steve Batch wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Peter, I'm not an expert but I'll have a go.
>>>>
>>>> Make sure you have Adobe Shockwave plug-in installed <http://
>>>> get.adobe.com/shockwave/
>>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/
>>> listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> :wq
>> _______________________________________________
>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/
>> listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Oct  2 22:00:16 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 22:00:16 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Blinking Lights
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0910021352x709dc5dev5d8923ff10bc3a72@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2181C88B-B958-4825-B1BF-B57FFF8B6FB9@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<48E1A576-A133-4C83-893E-BD32414F03E3@gmail.com>
	<B5AE6485-EDF5-46BE-8EF5-ABAAB0DC7EF8@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0910021352x709dc5dev5d8923ff10bc3a72@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <25D6BC7D-BF36-44B2-93FE-9EEAB4E8C002@simonroyal.co.uk>

Scott

Cheers. Will check it out.

Simon

On 2 Oct 2009, at 21:52, Scott Matthews wrote:

> try iStat Menus
>
> http://www.islayer.com/apps/istatmenus/
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>  
> wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> I have searched Google and cannot find a program that does this. A
>> simple thing in the menu bar would be excellent and it seems a lot of
>> other people would like one too.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> On 2 Oct 2009, at 19:58, Steve Batch wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Strangely I was thinking about this too..  I was thinking that I  
>>> don't
>>> really mind not having blinking lights as most of the time they  
>>> are an
>>> annoyance BUT I do find the subtle grinding noise of the hard drive
>>> useful to know when there is disk activity going on and when I  
>>> upgrade
>>> to an SSD which will be silent I will actually miss the hard drive
>>> noise...
>>>
>>> I used to have a little app on windows that sat in the system tray  
>>> and
>>> indicated hdd activity with pretend blinking lights, I don't know if
>>> something similar is available for OS X but I might need it with  
>>> SSD.
>>>
>>> Steve.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2 Oct 2009, at 19:29, Simon Royal wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sometimes these were handy to tell whether something was working of
>>>> not.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal
>> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> :wq
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal 
. Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)









From paul at durrant.co.uk  Fri Oct  2 22:06:15 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 22:06:15 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Blinking Lights
In-Reply-To: <2181C88B-B958-4825-B1BF-B57FFF8B6FB9@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <2181C88B-B958-4825-B1BF-B57FFF8B6FB9@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <E1D35E85-4CB5-4F56-BDAA-E81A19A16D81@durrant.co.uk>

ACHTUNG!  ALLES LOOKENSPEEPERS!

Alles touristen und non-technischen looken peepers! Das  
computermachine ist nicht fur gefingerpoken und mittengrabben. Ist  
easy schnappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen mit loudische  
poppencorken und spitzensparken. Ist nicht fur gewerken bei das  
dumpkopfen. Das rubbernecken sichtseeren und stupidisch volk, das hans  
in das pockets muss keepen; relaxen und watchen das blinkenlichten.

regards,

Paul

(ref: http://www.catb.org/esr/jargon/html/B/blinkenlights.html )

On 2 Oct 2009, at 19:29, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi.
>
> Am I the only one who missing blinking lights or activity lights on
> computers.
>
> Once upon a time there was a light for hard drive activity and a light
> for optical drive (or floppy drive) activity. But we don't seem to see
> those anymore.
>
> I have a PCMCIA card in the slot (instead of an internal Airport card)
> of my PowerBook for wireless and it has a solid power light and a
> light that flashes whenever I transfer data, other than that no other
> lights.
>
> Sometimes these were handy to tell whether something was working of  
> not.


From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk  Fri Oct  2 22:13:52 2009
From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 22:13:52 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Bookmarks gone_Help!
In-Reply-To: <D58D547A-DFD5-490E-B95A-2F106927A24E@gmail.com>
References: <2CA29509-3A99-42F6-96D3-AB0342B4FDDA@themagic.me.uk>
	<D58D547A-DFD5-490E-B95A-2F106927A24E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <038D69B3-2EBF-4FF3-8D94-FE28BFFD4FE6@themagic.me.uk>

Thank you very much, Steve. All restored and working.

Anthony

On 2 Oct 2009, at 18:30, Steve Batch wrote:

>
> Hi, the Safari bookmarks are held in:  /users/user/Library/Safari/
> Bookmarks.plist
>
> You should be able to copy the backed up .plist file over the current
> one (close Safari first)
>
> Steve.
>
>
> On 2 Oct 2009, at 18:15, Anthony Brahams wrote:
>
>> I hope and assume TimeMachine has them
>> from earlier today but where, please!
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


From p.hunter at ntlworld.com  Fri Oct  2 22:36:35 2009
From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 22:36:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] QuickTime Problem (Maybe!)
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0910021354s5e062f2dmddbc5b2825b60c5c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B2390709-3DC8-444C-B005-4A7D3560007F@ntlworld.com>
	<65BE9804-D165-453E-8134-87667D6ADD56@gmail.com>
	<B79AFE19-6203-4702-B21F-B9FBE62C55EA@ntlworld.com>
	<ac224bde0910021123m3fc3b3d8n9447f10334a1e882@mail.gmail.com>
	<8634EFB8-6B4F-4E7F-9DCA-9A83662E2415@ntlworld.com>
	<ac224bde0910021354s5e062f2dmddbc5b2825b60c5c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E41FBCB9-4F52-4F23-B7FF-40D0B000A8EE@ntlworld.com>

Yes.

On 2 Oct 2009, at 21:54, Scott Matthews wrote:

> do you have an application called "The Standard BSL Dictionary (DVD
> Version)" in your Applications folder?
>
> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Peter Hunter  
> <p.hunter at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> Hi Scot,
>> It just says safari can't find the file.
>>
>> On 2 Oct 2009, at 19:23, Scott Matthews wrote:
>>
>>> that's an html file contained within
>>>
>>> "The Standard BSL Dictionary (DVD Version)" which should be in your
>>> Applications folder.
>>>
>>> If it's not in your Applications folder you may need to run an
>>> installer or copy something from the DVD to your Applications  
>>> folder.
>>>
>>> what happens if you paste this into the address bar in safari?
>>>
>>> file:///Applications/The%20Standard%20BSL%20Dictionary%20(DVD%
>>> 20Version).app/Content/Resources/app/text/frame.html
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Peter Hunter
>>> <p.hunter at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Steve, thanks for that. I installed the Shockwave plug-in, but
>>>> still the same.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know if this helps, but when I click on the word and the
>>>> window opens with the Q and ? in it, the address line points to  
>>>> this
>>>> location for the clip (which is on the DVD). I don't quite  
>>>> understand
>>>> all of this, but someone might.
>>>>
>>>> file:///Applications/The%20Standard%20BSL%20Dictionary%20(DVD%
>>>> 20Version).app/Contents/Resources/app/text/frame.html
>>>>
>>>> Regards,  Peter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2 Oct 2009, at 14:45, Steve Batch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Peter, I'm not an expert but I'll have a go.
>>>>>
>>>>> Make sure you have Adobe Shockwave plug-in installed <http://
>>>>> get.adobe.com/shockwave/
>>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/
>>>> listinfo/nmug
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Fri Oct  2 22:52:23 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 22:52:23 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Blinking Lights
In-Reply-To: <E1D35E85-4CB5-4F56-BDAA-E81A19A16D81@durrant.co.uk>
References: <2181C88B-B958-4825-B1BF-B57FFF8B6FB9@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<E1D35E85-4CB5-4F56-BDAA-E81A19A16D81@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <77B5265E-14B5-4435-BB40-B391725080B0@virgin.net>


On Oct 2, 2009, at 22:06, Paul Durrant wrote:

> ACHTUNG!  ALLES LOOKENSPEEPERS!

And the Germans have a mock English version of the same text!

Paul C


From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Fri Oct  2 22:53:42 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2009 17:53:42 -0400
Subject: [NMUG] Blinking Lights
In-Reply-To: <2181C88B-B958-4825-B1BF-B57FFF8B6FB9@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <2181C88B-B958-4825-B1BF-B57FFF8B6FB9@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4AC67666.6060403@stackyard.org>

Absolutely!  One feature I really dislike about Macs is their lack of 
disk activity light.  I have a software one on the desktop (can't 
remember which one - only have my W7 Toshiba with me at present) but if 
the graphics were to hang, it wouldn't be much use.  In fact, previous 
patch levels of Leopard DID hang when the Mini came out of standby - and 
no disk light - grrrrrr.  A disk light is one of the most useful 
diagnostic devices there is but it's not very "Steve-ish" so I'm not 
expecting them to make a reappearance any time soon.  I've often thought 
of doing a hardware hack but I haven't got to that state yet.

Ken

Simon Royal wrote:
> Hi.
>
> Am I the only one who missing blinking lights or activity lights on  
> computers.
>
> Once upon a time there was a light for hard drive activity and a light  
> for optical drive (or floppy drive) activity. But we don't seem to see  
> those anymore.
>
> I have a PCMCIA card in the slot (instead of an internal Airport card)  
> of my PowerBook for wireless and it has a solid power light and a  
> light that flashes whenever I transfer data, other than that no other  
> lights.
>
> Sometimes these were handy to tell whether something was working of not.
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal 
> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Sat Oct  3 06:22:03 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 06:22:03 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Blinking Lights
In-Reply-To: <4AC67666.6060403@stackyard.org>
References: <2181C88B-B958-4825-B1BF-B57FFF8B6FB9@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4AC67666.6060403@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <8CF1E707-9F8F-40BB-9C25-42807D25B743@zen.co.uk>

Why all the fuss?

Activity monitor can show Disk Activity in the Dock......


On 2 Oct 2009, at 22:53, Ken Hamer wrote:

> Absolutely!  One feature I really dislike about Macs is their lack of
> disk activity light.  I have a software one on the desktop (can't
> remember which one - only have my W7 Toshiba with me at present) but  
> if
> the graphics were to hang, it wouldn't be much use.  In fact, previous
> patch levels of Leopard DID hang when the Mini came out of standby -  
> and
> no disk light - grrrrrr.  A disk light is one of the most useful
> diagnostic devices there is but it's not very "Steve-ish" so I'm not
> expecting them to make a reappearance any time soon.  I've often  
> thought
> of doing a hardware hack but I haven't got to that state yet.
>
> Ken
>
> Simon Royal wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> Am I the only one who missing blinking lights or activity lights on
>> computers.
>>
>> Once upon a time there was a light for hard drive activity and a  
>> light
>> for optical drive (or floppy drive) activity. But we don't seem to  
>> see
>> those anymore.
>>
>> I have a PCMCIA card in the slot (instead of an internal Airport  
>> card)
>> of my PowerBook for wireless and it has a solid power light and a
>> light that flashes whenever I transfer data, other than that no other
>> lights.
>>
>> Sometimes these were handy to tell whether something was working of  
>> not.
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal
>> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Sat Oct  3 10:07:17 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 10:07:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Blinking Lights
In-Reply-To: <8CF1E707-9F8F-40BB-9C25-42807D25B743@zen.co.uk>
References: <2181C88B-B958-4825-B1BF-B57FFF8B6FB9@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4AC67666.6060403@stackyard.org>
	<8CF1E707-9F8F-40BB-9C25-42807D25B743@zen.co.uk>
Message-ID: <9206C52C-7365-4AD4-A72D-68BDA22403C8@gmail.com>


ooh I divent knaa daat.

fanks.


On 3 Oct 2009, at 06:22, Steven Jefferson wrote:

> Activity monitor can show Disk Activity in the Dock


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat Oct  3 10:37:20 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sat,  3 Oct 2009 10:37:20 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Blinking Lights
Message-ID: <QRtgGsxHRGm0.XMWqNt1g@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Ken

I too had thought of doing a hardware hack too.

Might get round to it at some point.
Simon  --- visit http://www.simonroyal.co.uk (sent using Nokia E65)



From h.tamplin at btinternet.com  Sat Oct  3 13:12:22 2009
From: h.tamplin at btinternet.com (Heather Tamplin)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 13:12:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Good Food, with few blinking lights
Message-ID: <F4B0E31D-6909-4AD9-8C89-9307DCA3FE12@btinternet.com>

Hello all,

the preview for my show at The Swan House, in Beccles is this  
Wednesday, 7th October 7 - 11pm.



I hear the food is amazing !

It would be lovely to see some of you there if only for the food ......

I will be putting latest 2 paintings up on my web site in the next  
week so have a look if you can't get to the show.

Familiar Norfolk Scene II and Leaping Dog, both sold from the 18/21  
Gallery show, they are on the web site, the sales were great but mean  
I have to paint another piece for the New English Open at the Mall  
Galleries.



Heather

www.heathertamplin.co.uk

"Art is the only way to run away without leaving home."
Twyla Tharp





From minkennison at mac.com  Sat Oct  3 16:08:34 2009
From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 16:08:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG]  Good Food, with few blinking lights
References: <F4B0E31D-6909-4AD9-8C89-9307DCA3FE12@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <70559FD0-E259-418C-8761-1B656DCC0771@mac.com>


>
> Sorry won't be able to be there but look forward to seeing the  
> paintings on the website.  Good luck
Min
>
>
> I hear the food is amazing !
>
> It would be lovely to see some of you there if only for the  
> food ......
>
> I
>
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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sat Oct  3 17:34:21 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 17:34:21 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Spare G3 iMac on offer
Message-ID: <56FCA769-D836-41F9-B82A-6632522D41C1@durrant.co.uk>

Hi All,

A friend has finally upgraded to a new Mac, and there's now an old  
iMac G3 needing a new home.

In working order, but no mouse/keyboard. It's a fairly early model -  
no firewire, but I think (from memory) that it's a model C rather than  
the A or B version. Only a CD-ROM drive, I'm sure. Currently running  
Mac OS 8.6!

Would anyone be interested? If so, please contact me off-list. paul at durrant.co.uk

regards,

Paul


From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Sat Oct  3 19:12:03 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:12:03 -0400
Subject: [NMUG] Blinking Lights
In-Reply-To: <8CF1E707-9F8F-40BB-9C25-42807D25B743@zen.co.uk>
References: <2181C88B-B958-4825-B1BF-B57FFF8B6FB9@simonroyal.co.uk>	<4AC67666.6060403@stackyard.org>
	<8CF1E707-9F8F-40BB-9C25-42807D25B743@zen.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4AC793F3.6020109@stackyard.org>

Yes, but the system has to be up, running and happy for this to work.  
Disk lights are at their most useful when the machine is feeling poorly.

Steven Jefferson wrote:
> Why all the fuss?
>
> Activity monitor can show Disk Activity in the Dock......
>
>
> On 2 Oct 2009, at 22:53, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
>   
>> Absolutely!  One feature I really dislike about Macs is their lack of
>> disk activity light.  I have a software one on the desktop (can't
>> remember which one - only have my W7 Toshiba with me at present) but  
>> if
>> the graphics were to hang, it wouldn't be much use.  In fact, previous
>> patch levels of Leopard DID hang when the Mini came out of standby -  
>> and
>> no disk light - grrrrrr.  A disk light is one of the most useful
>> diagnostic devices there is but it's not very "Steve-ish" so I'm not
>> expecting them to make a reappearance any time soon.  I've often  
>> thought
>> of doing a hardware hack but I haven't got to that state yet.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>> Am I the only one who missing blinking lights or activity lights on
>>> computers.
>>>
>>> Once upon a time there was a light for hard drive activity and a  
>>> light
>>> for optical drive (or floppy drive) activity. But we don't seem to  
>>> see
>>> those anymore.
>>>
>>> I have a PCMCIA card in the slot (instead of an internal Airport  
>>> card)
>>> of my PowerBook for wireless and it has a solid power light and a
>>> light that flashes whenever I transfer data, other than that no other
>>> lights.
>>>
>>> Sometimes these were handy to tell whether something was working of  
>>> not.
>>>
>>> Simon Royal
>>> ---
>>> Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal
>>> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>>       
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From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Sat Oct  3 19:40:29 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:40:29 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Blinking Lights
In-Reply-To: <4AC793F3.6020109@stackyard.org>
References: <2181C88B-B958-4825-B1BF-B57FFF8B6FB9@simonroyal.co.uk>	<4AC67666.6060403@stackyard.org>
	<8CF1E707-9F8F-40BB-9C25-42807D25B743@zen.co.uk>
	<4AC793F3.6020109@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <79ABAF9A-17F6-46CE-BDC2-8A9A607A1690@zen.co.uk>

In 10 years of having a Mac I have never ever needed to have flashing  
lights to tell me I have a problem. If a disk is working but the rest  
of the machine is dead regardless of response I would imagine most  
people have a diagnostics process independent of blinking lights. And  
I've had a monitor and a G5 die....

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 3 Oct 2009, at 19:12, Ken Hamer wrote:

> Yes, but the system has to be up, running and happy for this to work.
> Disk lights are at their most useful when the machine is feeling  
> poorly.
>
> Steven Jefferson wrote:
>> Why all the fuss?
>>
>> Activity monitor can show Disk Activity in the Dock......
>>
>>
>> On 2 Oct 2009, at 22:53, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Absolutely!  One feature I really dislike about Macs is their lack  
>>> of
>>> disk activity light.  I have a software one on the desktop (can't
>>> remember which one - only have my W7 Toshiba with me at present) but
>>> if
>>> the graphics were to hang, it wouldn't be much use.  In fact,  
>>> previous
>>> patch levels of Leopard DID hang when the Mini came out of standby -
>>> and
>>> no disk light - grrrrrr.  A disk light is one of the most useful
>>> diagnostic devices there is but it's not very "Steve-ish" so I'm not
>>> expecting them to make a reappearance any time soon.  I've often
>>> thought
>>> of doing a hardware hack but I haven't got to that state yet.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi.
>>>>
>>>> Am I the only one who missing blinking lights or activity lights on
>>>> computers.
>>>>
>>>> Once upon a time there was a light for hard drive activity and a
>>>> light
>>>> for optical drive (or floppy drive) activity. But we don't seem to
>>>> see
>>>> those anymore.
>>>>
>>>> I have a PCMCIA card in the slot (instead of an internal Airport
>>>> card)
>>>> of my PowerBook for wireless and it has a solid power light and a
>>>> light that flashes whenever I transfer data, other than that no  
>>>> other
>>>> lights.
>>>>
>>>> Sometimes these were handy to tell whether something was working of
>>>> not.
>>>>
>>>> Simon Royal
>>>> ---
>>>> Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal
>>>> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>>> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
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>>>>
>>>>
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat Oct  3 20:18:15 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 20:18:15 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Blinking Lights
In-Reply-To: <79ABAF9A-17F6-46CE-BDC2-8A9A607A1690@zen.co.uk>
References: <2181C88B-B958-4825-B1BF-B57FFF8B6FB9@simonroyal.co.uk>	<4AC67666.6060403@stackyard.org>
	<8CF1E707-9F8F-40BB-9C25-42807D25B743@zen.co.uk>
	<4AC793F3.6020109@stackyard.org>
	<79ABAF9A-17F6-46CE-BDC2-8A9A607A1690@zen.co.uk>
Message-ID: <A803D4CD-4E0B-471A-B8D9-400F511E7FD1@simonroyal.co.uk>

Steven

It is not necessarily a need for them, I just like them, a hang up  
from the old days.

Simon

On 3 Oct 2009, at 19:40, Steven Jefferson wrote:

> In 10 years of having a Mac I have never ever needed to have flashing
> lights to tell me I have a problem. If a disk is working but the rest
> of the machine is dead regardless of response I would imagine most
> people have a diagnostics process independent of blinking lights. And
> I've had a monitor and a G5 die....
>
> Steven Jefferson
> steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk
>
>
>
> On 3 Oct 2009, at 19:12, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
>> Yes, but the system has to be up, running and happy for this to work.
>> Disk lights are at their most useful when the machine is feeling
>> poorly.
>>
>> Steven Jefferson wrote:
>>> Why all the fuss?
>>>
>>> Activity monitor can show Disk Activity in the Dock......
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2 Oct 2009, at 22:53, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Absolutely!  One feature I really dislike about Macs is their lack
>>>> of
>>>> disk activity light.  I have a software one on the desktop (can't
>>>> remember which one - only have my W7 Toshiba with me at present)  
>>>> but
>>>> if
>>>> the graphics were to hang, it wouldn't be much use.  In fact,
>>>> previous
>>>> patch levels of Leopard DID hang when the Mini came out of  
>>>> standby -
>>>> and
>>>> no disk light - grrrrrr.  A disk light is one of the most useful
>>>> diagnostic devices there is but it's not very "Steve-ish" so I'm  
>>>> not
>>>> expecting them to make a reappearance any time soon.  I've often
>>>> thought
>>>> of doing a hardware hack but I haven't got to that state yet.
>>>>
>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>
>>>>> Am I the only one who missing blinking lights or activity lights  
>>>>> on
>>>>> computers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Once upon a time there was a light for hard drive activity and a
>>>>> light
>>>>> for optical drive (or floppy drive) activity. But we don't seem to
>>>>> see
>>>>> those anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a PCMCIA card in the slot (instead of an internal Airport
>>>>> card)
>>>>> of my PowerBook for wireless and it has a solid power light and a
>>>>> light that flashes whenever I transfer data, other than that no
>>>>> other
>>>>> lights.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sometimes these were handy to tell whether something was working  
>>>>> of
>>>>> not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Simon Royal
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal
>>>>> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>>>> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
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---
Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal 
. Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)









From tom at tomkershaw.com  Sat Oct  3 21:28:34 2009
From: tom at tomkershaw.com (Tom Kershaw)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 21:28:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Blinking Lights
In-Reply-To: <A803D4CD-4E0B-471A-B8D9-400F511E7FD1@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <2181C88B-B958-4825-B1BF-B57FFF8B6FB9@simonroyal.co.uk>	<4AC67666.6060403@stackyard.org>	<8CF1E707-9F8F-40BB-9C25-42807D25B743@zen.co.uk>	<4AC793F3.6020109@stackyard.org>	<79ABAF9A-17F6-46CE-BDC2-8A9A607A1690@zen.co.uk>
	<A803D4CD-4E0B-471A-B8D9-400F511E7FD1@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4AC7B3F2.6000209@tomkershaw.com>

Somewhat related to flashing lights, NMUG members might well be 
interested in the current 'Archive on 4' programme, first broadcast at 
20:00 this evening. See: 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00mz53r/Archive_on_4_In_the_Beginning_Was_the_Nerd/ 


Tom

Simon Royal wrote:
> Steven
>
> It is not necessarily a need for them, I just like them, a hang up  
> from the old days.
>
> Simon
>
> On 3 Oct 2009, at 19:40, Steven Jefferson wrote:
>
>   
>> In 10 years of having a Mac I have never ever needed to have flashing
>> lights to tell me I have a problem. If a disk is working but the rest
>> of the machine is dead regardless of response I would imagine most
>> people have a diagnostics process independent of blinking lights. And
>> I've had a monitor and a G5 die....
>>
>> Steven Jefferson
>> steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3 Oct 2009, at 19:12, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Yes, but the system has to be up, running and happy for this to work.
>>> Disk lights are at their most useful when the machine is feeling
>>> poorly.
>>>
>>> Steven Jefferson wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Why all the fuss?
>>>>
>>>> Activity monitor can show Disk Activity in the Dock......
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2 Oct 2009, at 22:53, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Absolutely!  One feature I really dislike about Macs is their lack
>>>>> of
>>>>> disk activity light.  I have a software one on the desktop (can't
>>>>> remember which one - only have my W7 Toshiba with me at present)  
>>>>> but
>>>>> if
>>>>> the graphics were to hang, it wouldn't be much use.  In fact,
>>>>> previous
>>>>> patch levels of Leopard DID hang when the Mini came out of  
>>>>> standby -
>>>>> and
>>>>> no disk light - grrrrrr.  A disk light is one of the most useful
>>>>> diagnostic devices there is but it's not very "Steve-ish" so I'm  
>>>>> not
>>>>> expecting them to make a reappearance any time soon.  I've often
>>>>> thought
>>>>> of doing a hardware hack but I haven't got to that state yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken
>>>>>
>>>>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am I the only one who missing blinking lights or activity lights  
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> computers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once upon a time there was a light for hard drive activity and a
>>>>>> light
>>>>>> for optical drive (or floppy drive) activity. But we don't seem to
>>>>>> see
>>>>>> those anymore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a PCMCIA card in the slot (instead of an internal Airport
>>>>>> card)
>>>>>> of my PowerBook for wireless and it has a solid power light and a
>>>>>> light that flashes whenever I transfer data, other than that no
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> lights.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sometimes these were handy to tell whether something was working  
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Simon Royal
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal
>>>>>> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>>>>> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat Oct  3 22:33:03 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 22:33:03 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Video In?
Message-ID: <2E5797A5-FEB8-432C-9ABA-9672DEA6D060@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

This might sound an odd question, but the S-Video and DVI ports are  
they just video out.

I know it is a long shot, but can the screen be used as a video in?

Simon Royal
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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sat Oct  3 22:42:13 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 22:42:13 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Video In?
In-Reply-To: <2E5797A5-FEB8-432C-9ABA-9672DEA6D060@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <2E5797A5-FEB8-432C-9ABA-9672DEA6D060@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <D0D8FA63-D886-4578-A997-BDD438DB401B@durrant.co.uk>

Mac video ports are video out only. For input you'd need some USB or  
Firewire peripheral.

Paul

On 3 Oct 2009, at 22:33, Simon Royal wrote:

> This might sound an odd question, but the S-Video and DVI ports are
> they just video out.
>
> I know it is a long shot, but can the screen be used as a video in?


From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Sun Oct  4 02:44:13 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 21:44:13 -0400
Subject: [NMUG] Blinking Lights
In-Reply-To: <79ABAF9A-17F6-46CE-BDC2-8A9A607A1690@zen.co.uk>
References: <2181C88B-B958-4825-B1BF-B57FFF8B6FB9@simonroyal.co.uk>	<4AC67666.6060403@stackyard.org>	<8CF1E707-9F8F-40BB-9C25-42807D25B743@zen.co.uk>	<4AC793F3.6020109@stackyard.org>
	<79ABAF9A-17F6-46CE-BDC2-8A9A607A1690@zen.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4AC7FDED.6010302@stackyard.org>

It's not a big deal but I've had quite a few situations where a disk 
light would have been really useful.  The disk in my Mini is really 
quiet and there is no audible access chatter but when the machine has 
hung, I've just had to switch off and restart.  Like I say, not a big 
deal.  There would probably have been the same outcome with or without a 
disk light, but I just really like having the light.

But I'm ecstatically happy for all those who hate disk lights.  I think 
you're safe.  Steve is on your side.

Ken


Steven Jefferson wrote:
> In 10 years of having a Mac I have never ever needed to have flashing  
> lights to tell me I have a problem. If a disk is working but the rest  
> of the machine is dead regardless of response I would imagine most  
> people have a diagnostics process independent of blinking lights. And  
> I've had a monitor and a G5 die....
>
> Steven Jefferson
> steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk
>
>
>
> On 3 Oct 2009, at 19:12, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
>   
>> Yes, but the system has to be up, running and happy for this to work.
>> Disk lights are at their most useful when the machine is feeling  
>> poorly.
>>
>> Steven Jefferson wrote:
>>     
>>> Why all the fuss?
>>>
>>> Activity monitor can show Disk Activity in the Dock......
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2 Oct 2009, at 22:53, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Absolutely!  One feature I really dislike about Macs is their lack  
>>>> of
>>>> disk activity light.  I have a software one on the desktop (can't
>>>> remember which one - only have my W7 Toshiba with me at present) but
>>>> if
>>>> the graphics were to hang, it wouldn't be much use.  In fact,  
>>>> previous
>>>> patch levels of Leopard DID hang when the Mini came out of standby -
>>>> and
>>>> no disk light - grrrrrr.  A disk light is one of the most useful
>>>> diagnostic devices there is but it's not very "Steve-ish" so I'm not
>>>> expecting them to make a reappearance any time soon.  I've often
>>>> thought
>>>> of doing a hardware hack but I haven't got to that state yet.
>>>>
>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>
>>>>> Am I the only one who missing blinking lights or activity lights on
>>>>> computers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Once upon a time there was a light for hard drive activity and a
>>>>> light
>>>>> for optical drive (or floppy drive) activity. But we don't seem to
>>>>> see
>>>>> those anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a PCMCIA card in the slot (instead of an internal Airport
>>>>> card)
>>>>> of my PowerBook for wireless and it has a solid power light and a
>>>>> light that flashes whenever I transfer data, other than that no  
>>>>> other
>>>>> lights.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sometimes these were handy to tell whether something was working of
>>>>> not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Simon Royal
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal
>>>>> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>>>> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Sun Oct  4 06:58:38 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 06:58:38 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Blinking Lights
In-Reply-To: <4AC7FDED.6010302@stackyard.org>
References: <2181C88B-B958-4825-B1BF-B57FFF8B6FB9@simonroyal.co.uk>	<4AC67666.6060403@stackyard.org>	<8CF1E707-9F8F-40BB-9C25-42807D25B743@zen.co.uk>	<4AC793F3.6020109@stackyard.org>
	<79ABAF9A-17F6-46CE-BDC2-8A9A607A1690@zen.co.uk>
	<4AC7FDED.6010302@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <17D5E04F-D46F-4D04-AD32-F743AF6C56B4@zen.co.uk>

Activity monitor shows hung processes. They can be force quit. Also  
both SL & L will show a non responsive tag in the dock icon IIRC.

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 4 Oct 2009, at 02:44, Ken Hamer wrote:

> It's not a big deal but I've had quite a few situations where a disk
> light would have been really useful.  The disk in my Mini is really
> quiet and there is no audible access chatter but when the machine has
> hung, I've just had to switch off and restart.  Like I say, not a big
> deal.  There would probably have been the same outcome with or  
> without a
> disk light, but I just really like having the light.
>
> But I'm ecstatically happy for all those who hate disk lights.  I  
> think
> you're safe.  Steve is on your side.
>
> Ken
>
>
> Steven Jefferson wrote:
>> In 10 years of having a Mac I have never ever needed to have flashing
>> lights to tell me I have a problem. If a disk is working but the rest
>> of the machine is dead regardless of response I would imagine most
>> people have a diagnostics process independent of blinking lights. And
>> I've had a monitor and a G5 die....
>>
>> Steven Jefferson
>> steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3 Oct 2009, at 19:12, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Yes, but the system has to be up, running and happy for this to  
>>> work.
>>> Disk lights are at their most useful when the machine is feeling
>>> poorly.
>>>
>>> Steven Jefferson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why all the fuss?
>>>>
>>>> Activity monitor can show Disk Activity in the Dock......
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 2 Oct 2009, at 22:53, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Absolutely!  One feature I really dislike about Macs is their lack
>>>>> of
>>>>> disk activity light.  I have a software one on the desktop (can't
>>>>> remember which one - only have my W7 Toshiba with me at present)  
>>>>> but
>>>>> if
>>>>> the graphics were to hang, it wouldn't be much use.  In fact,
>>>>> previous
>>>>> patch levels of Leopard DID hang when the Mini came out of  
>>>>> standby -
>>>>> and
>>>>> no disk light - grrrrrr.  A disk light is one of the most useful
>>>>> diagnostic devices there is but it's not very "Steve-ish" so I'm  
>>>>> not
>>>>> expecting them to make a reappearance any time soon.  I've often
>>>>> thought
>>>>> of doing a hardware hack but I haven't got to that state yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken
>>>>>
>>>>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am I the only one who missing blinking lights or activity  
>>>>>> lights on
>>>>>> computers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once upon a time there was a light for hard drive activity and a
>>>>>> light
>>>>>> for optical drive (or floppy drive) activity. But we don't seem  
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> see
>>>>>> those anymore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a PCMCIA card in the slot (instead of an internal Airport
>>>>>> card)
>>>>>> of my PowerBook for wireless and it has a solid power light and a
>>>>>> light that flashes whenever I transfer data, other than that no
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> lights.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sometimes these were handy to tell whether something was  
>>>>>> working of
>>>>>> not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Simon Royal
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal
>>>>>> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>>>>> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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From phil.charnley at ntlworld.com  Sun Oct  4 09:09:58 2009
From: phil.charnley at ntlworld.com (Phil Charnley)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 09:09:58 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Help: MacBook won't start
Message-ID: <B5BB892A-98F3-4FDD-99B0-A67CFF254E2E@ntlworld.com>

Hello everybody,

I have a 1.83GHz Intel Core Duo (13-inch White) MacBook with 512MB  
RAM, running Leopard.
I ordered some more RAM from Crucial and relied on their scanner to  
pick the correct modules.
It arrived yesterday and I had a go at fitting it.
I'm not 100% confident its fitted correctly as I couldn't get it to  
click as I pushed it in. I've tried it over a dozen times with the  
same result.

I also think I may have made a faux pas as I didn't shut the MacBook  
down before taking the battery out. The lid was closed so I took it  
that it was "off".

On pressing the power button now I get a black screen, the whirring  
noise as the Mac Book checks the optical drive and a flashing instead  
of a pulsing light at the front. Nothing else, even when connected via  
the power cable.

I have a SL disk waiting in the wings. There is no desperately  
important information on the MacBook as all that is kept on the G5 and  
backed up with Time Machine. I wondered about trying a fresh install  
with SL.

Any thoughts on this please? Or am I doing something wrong with the  
memory? I have tried putting the old modules back (2 x 256mb) with the  
same results ie no clicks and black screens.

Any advice would be gratefully received

Phil






From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Sun Oct  4 10:33:35 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 10:33:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Help: MacBook won't start
In-Reply-To: <B5BB892A-98F3-4FDD-99B0-A67CFF254E2E@ntlworld.com>
References: <B5BB892A-98F3-4FDD-99B0-A67CFF254E2E@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <FBCB0C13-42C4-44EF-812B-C2DA257178EB@gmail.com>

Hi,
Taking out the battery before shutting down will not cause any problems.

This sounds very much like incorrectly installed RAM, when inserting  
the chips make sure you fill both RAM slots not just one slot, make  
sure the ram is the right way around some will only go in one way  
round and it must click in to place, if it does not click it's not  
inserted correctly.

Steve.


On 4 Oct 2009, at 09:09, Phil Charnley wrote:

> On pressing the power button now I get a black screen, the whirring
> noise as the Mac Book checks the optical drive and a flashing instead
> of a pulsing light at the fron


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sun Oct  4 10:44:47 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 10:44:47 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Help: MacBook won't start
In-Reply-To: <FBCB0C13-42C4-44EF-812B-C2DA257178EB@gmail.com>
References: <B5BB892A-98F3-4FDD-99B0-A67CFF254E2E@ntlworld.com>
	<FBCB0C13-42C4-44EF-812B-C2DA257178EB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79AB0376-4641-4A5F-833B-E2509603EFF9@durrant.co.uk>

Phil's MacBook is now booting happily again.

In the MacBooks there's no 'click' as the RAM goes in - it's not that  
kind of receptacle. You just have to be sure of how you're inserting  
the RAM, and be prepared to push rather hard to seat it properly. It's  
quite worrying the first time you do it - it doesn't feel right to  
have to apply that much force.

Paul

On 4 Oct 2009, at 10:33, Steve Batch wrote:

> Hi,
> Taking out the battery before shutting down will not cause any  
> problems.
>
> This sounds very much like incorrectly installed RAM, when inserting
> the chips make sure you fill both RAM slots not just one slot, make
> sure the ram is the right way around some will only go in one way
> round and it must click in to place, if it does not click it's not
> inserted correctly.
>
> Steve.
>
>
> On 4 Oct 2009, at 09:09, Phil Charnley wrote:
>
>> On pressing the power button now I get a black screen, the whirring
>> noise as the Mac Book checks the optical drive and a flashing instead
>> of a pulsing light at the fron
>
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From phil.charnley at ntlworld.com  Sun Oct  4 10:45:31 2009
From: phil.charnley at ntlworld.com (Phil Charnley)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 10:45:31 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Help: MacBook won't start
In-Reply-To: <FBCB0C13-42C4-44EF-812B-C2DA257178EB@gmail.com>
References: <B5BB892A-98F3-4FDD-99B0-A67CFF254E2E@ntlworld.com>
	<FBCB0C13-42C4-44EF-812B-C2DA257178EB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A3BC13E4-4993-4E89-9281-9DBA9037CFCD@ntlworld.com>

Paul has very kindly just popped round and pushed the new RAM home  
properly. What a gent!
Phil
On 4 Oct 2009, at 10:33:35, Steve Batch wrote:

> Hi,
> Taking out the battery before shutting down will not cause any  
> problems.
>
> This sounds very much like incorrectly installed RAM, when inserting
> the chips make sure you fill both RAM slots not just one slot, make
> sure the ram is the right way around some will only go in one way
> round and it must click in to place, if it does not click it's not
> inserted correctly.
>
> Steve.
>
>
> On 4 Oct 2009, at 09:09, Phil Charnley wrote:
>
>> On pressing the power button now I get a black screen, the whirring
>> noise as the Mac Book checks the optical drive and a flashing instead
>> of a pulsing light at the fron
>
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> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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From june.perrett at mac.com  Sun Oct  4 10:50:52 2009
From: june.perrett at mac.com (June Perrett)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2009 10:50:52 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Heather's website
Message-ID: <27F5AE16-1D46-43AB-AA70-7AD0D4756FE1@mac.com>

Enjoyed looking at your website, Heather. Some wonderful and very  
interesting pictures!

From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Oct  4 12:56:07 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 12:56:07 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Slow MP3
Message-ID: <62AAEF15-B467-46E2-9004-5453C886BCBE@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

I do a lot of MP3 editing, usually for ringtones.

A combination of QuickTime, Audacity and iTunes to make them.

I normally import the MP3 straight into Audacity and it always works.  
I cut it up how I want it, export it to WAV (as I cannot get the MP3  
exporter to work), then bring it into iTunes, edit the ID3 tags and  
convert to MP3.

However, this morning I imported one MP3 into Audacity and when I  
played it, it had slowed it right down. I tried it again and the same  
results. Never had it before.

I converted it to an AIFF with another program and then reimported  
that AIFF into Audacity and it worked fine.

Any ideas why.

Simon Royal
---
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. Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)









From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Oct  4 15:13:33 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 15:13:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Growl
Message-ID: <2C3FC02A-0B51-4FB8-8630-008F1295E15E@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

Does anyone else use Growl?

It is probably the best little app I have come across for the Mac. It  
is just such an awesome app that interacts with lots of other apps to  
tell you what is going on.

Brilliant.

Simon Royal
---
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. Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sun Oct  4 15:23:35 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 15:23:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Slow MP3
In-Reply-To: <62AAEF15-B467-46E2-9004-5453C886BCBE@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <62AAEF15-B467-46E2-9004-5453C886BCBE@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <163B67A6-10F2-45DF-9BDA-B6962968D8D2@durrant.co.uk>

I would guess that there's some tag in the MP3 identifying the bit  
rate of the data, and that Audacity doesn't handle this correctly for  
certain strange mp3 files.

But that is just a guess.

regards,

Paul

On 4 Oct 2009, at 12:56, Simon Royal wrote:

> However, this morning I imported one MP3 into Audacity and when I
> played it, it had slowed it right down. I tried it again and the same
> results. Never had it before.
>
> I converted it to an AIFF with another program and then reimported
> that AIFF into Audacity and it worked fine.
>
> Any ideas why.


From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Sun Oct  4 18:05:27 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 18:05:27 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Growl
In-Reply-To: <2C3FC02A-0B51-4FB8-8630-008F1295E15E@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <2C3FC02A-0B51-4FB8-8630-008F1295E15E@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <46C74DFF-58A9-451B-A6A7-8C9FC552B1C4@gmail.com>

I was patiently waiting for the software to be updated to support Snow  
Leopard and it looks like the 28th September update v1.2 now supports  
SL (mostly).  Downloading now...

Thanks for the heads up.


On 4 Oct 2009, at 15:13, Simon Royal wrote:

> Does anyone else use Growl?


From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Sun Oct  4 18:45:46 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 18:45:46 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Growl
In-Reply-To: <2C3FC02A-0B51-4FB8-8630-008F1295E15E@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <2C3FC02A-0B51-4FB8-8630-008F1295E15E@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <D38DCC22-7542-49B7-A01A-2055848B1F7A@gmail.com>

Simon,
I'm looking at Growl now but It doesn't seem to be that great, perhaps  
I'm missing something, what apps have you found growl to work best with?

Steve.


On 4 Oct 2009, at 15:13, Simon Royal wrote:

> It is probably the best little app I have come across for the Mac.


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Oct  4 20:18:54 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:18:54 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Growl
In-Reply-To: <D38DCC22-7542-49B7-A01A-2055848B1F7A@gmail.com>
References: <2C3FC02A-0B51-4FB8-8630-008F1295E15E@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<D38DCC22-7542-49B7-A01A-2055848B1F7A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30F85B6C-A5E7-4A75-BFF4-69AA1C72B40B@simonroyal.co.uk>

Steve

Skype, CyberDuck, Firefox, FaceBook Notifications, Yahoo Messenger,  
Adium, iStumbler to name a few.

Simon

On 4 Oct 2009, at 18:45, Steve Batch wrote:

> Simon,
> I'm looking at Growl now but It doesn't seem to be that great, perhaps
> I'm missing something, what apps have you found growl to work best  
> with?
>
> Steve.
>
>
> On 4 Oct 2009, at 15:13, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> It is probably the best little app I have come across for the Mac.
>
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From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com  Sun Oct  4 20:49:53 2009
From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 20:49:53 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Growl
In-Reply-To: <2C3FC02A-0B51-4FB8-8630-008F1295E15E@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <2C3FC02A-0B51-4FB8-8630-008F1295E15E@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <19CEB51D-6D8C-42C1-9CCE-4934BF04C55D@ntlworld.com>

Sorry maybe I'm a little thick, I've read the web site but I still  
don't really know what it does?

Kerin

On 4 Oct 2009, at 15:13, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi.
>
> Does anyone else use Growl?
>
> It is probably the best little app I have come across for the Mac. It
> is just such an awesome app that interacts with lots of other apps to
> tell you what is going on.
>
> Brilliant.
>
> Simon Royal
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From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Sun Oct  4 22:56:48 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 22:56:48 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Apple ads hint at thinner iMacs, lighter MacBooks,
	cheaper Mac minis
Message-ID: <D754863A-6DB1-47F7-B562-11031FC77FB1@virgin.net>

Just in case anyone was thinking about a new Mac.

Might be a hoax but then again...

<http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/10/03/apple_ads_hint_at_thinner_imacs_lighter_macbooks_cheaper_mac_minis.html 
 >

Paul C

From nathan.crosby at virgin.net  Mon Oct  5 07:43:58 2009
From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 07:43:58 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Apple ads hint at thinner iMacs, lighter MacBooks,
	cheaper Mac minis
In-Reply-To: <D754863A-6DB1-47F7-B562-11031FC77FB1@virgin.net>
References: <D754863A-6DB1-47F7-B562-11031FC77FB1@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <68725A0F-33E9-4FC2-9CAF-1DCE213D7614@virgin.net>

Hmm.. I have been thinking it's time I had a new iMac. However I don't  
see the point of a thinner iMac. I'd rather have a fatter
machine if it meant increased performance.

Nathan


On 4 Oct 2009, at 22:56, Paul Chapman wrote:

> Just in case anyone was thinking about a new Mac.
>
> Might be a hoax but then again...
>
> <http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/10/03/apple_ads_hint_at_thinner_imacs_lighter_macbooks_cheaper_mac_minis.html
>>
>
> Paul C
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From alan.barber3 at ntlworld.com  Mon Oct  5 08:24:48 2009
From: alan.barber3 at ntlworld.com (Alan Barber)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 08:24:48 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] mighty mouse
Message-ID: <F813FAD7-9DFD-467D-8801-A8050BE36F98@ntlworld.com>

The scroll wheel on my corded mighty mouse has stopped working.
Any ideas on how to get it going again?

I believe it may need cleaning.
Easiest way?

Regards

Alan





From alanbarber at mac.com  Mon Oct  5 08:26:49 2009
From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 08:26:49 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] mighty mouse
Message-ID: <41187A4B-43A6-4B3E-B1EC-08418F19E274@mac.com>

Panic over it started working again
Perhaps it was just asleep.

Regards

Alan
		


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Oct  5 08:32:13 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 08:32:13 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] mighty mouse
In-Reply-To: <41187A4B-43A6-4B3E-B1EC-08418F19E274@mac.com>
References: <41187A4B-43A6-4B3E-B1EC-08418F19E274@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B5D09435-32ED-441B-9716-0A6D53E4A7FF@durrant.co.uk>

Now would be a good time to clean it. Get a sheet of plain paper on a  
hard surface. turn mouse upside down, and roll the scroll ball across  
the paper in lots of different directions.

The scroll ball seems to be prone to getting clogged with dirt. A  
design flaw, IMO. I have heard rumours that the next mouse will have a  
sensor area rather than a physical scroll. But that's just rumour.

Paul


On 5 Oct 2009, at 08:26, Alan Barber wrote:

> Panic over it started working again
> Perhaps it was just asleep.
>


From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Mon Oct  5 08:54:15 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 08:54:15 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] mighty mouse
In-Reply-To: <B5D09435-32ED-441B-9716-0A6D53E4A7FF@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C6EF64B7.2FF96%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

I do this periodically and press fairly hard while doodling it about in
lines and squiggles.
One can see the muck come out.
And it then works perfectly.
regards
Brian


Paul Durrant said recently:

> Now would be a good time to clean it. Get a sheet of plain paper on a
> hard surface. turn mouse upside down, and roll the scroll ball across
> the paper in lots of different directions.
> 
> The scroll ball seems to be prone to getting clogged with dirt. A
> design flaw, IMO. I have heard rumours that the next mouse will have a
> sensor area rather than a physical scroll. But that's just rumour.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> On 5 Oct 2009, at 08:26, Alan Barber wrote:
> 
>> Panic over it started working again
>> Perhaps it was just asleep.
>> 
> 
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From munkt0n at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 09:00:07 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:00:07 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] mighty mouse
In-Reply-To: <F813FAD7-9DFD-467D-8801-A8050BE36F98@ntlworld.com>
References: <F813FAD7-9DFD-467D-8801-A8050BE36F98@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0910050100w517b5b64w4137b3d8f49f9a34@mail.gmail.com>

I've heard that turning the mouse upside down and rubbing the scroll
'ball' against a piece of paper works.
I got fed up with mine clogging up, it seemed to need cleaning every
two weeks, got fed up with it and replaced it with *gasp* a spare
Microsoft mouse I had

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Alan Barber <alan.barber3 at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> The scroll wheel on my corded mighty mouse has stopped working.
> Any ideas on how to get it going again?
>
> I believe it may need cleaning.
> Easiest way?
>
> Regards
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
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From macman at f2s.com  Mon Oct  5 09:25:25 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:25:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] mighty mouse
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0910050100w517b5b64w4137b3d8f49f9a34@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F813FAD7-9DFD-467D-8801-A8050BE36F98@ntlworld.com>
	<ac224bde0910050100w517b5b64w4137b3d8f49f9a34@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9E91BE52-D3F4-46C0-80CA-A56DC1936981@f2s.com>

I've had mine to pieces and completely cleaned it, but it's not for  
the faint hearted, as the ball sits in a tiny little cup held in place  
by 4 miniscule bearings and magnets which are very tricky for fat  
fingers to replace.

I was beginning to regret it, but eventually got there.  I would,  
however, be loath to do it again!


Robbie

On 5 Oct 2009, at 09:00, Scott Matthews wrote:

I've heard that turning the mouse upside down and rubbing the scroll
'ball' against a piece of paper works.
I got fed up with mine clogging up, it seemed to need cleaning every
two weeks, got fed up with it and replaced it with *gasp* a spare
Microsoft mouse I had

On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Alan Barber  
<alan.barber3 at ntlworld.com> wrote:

> The scroll wheel on my corded mighty mouse has stopped working.
> Any ideas on how to get it going again?
>
> I believe it may need cleaning.
> Easiest way?
>
> Regards
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
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From alanbarber at mac.com  Mon Oct  5 09:31:56 2009
From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 09:31:56 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] mighty mouse
In-Reply-To: <9E91BE52-D3F4-46C0-80CA-A56DC1936981@f2s.com>
References: <F813FAD7-9DFD-467D-8801-A8050BE36F98@ntlworld.com>
	<ac224bde0910050100w517b5b64w4137b3d8f49f9a34@mail.gmail.com>
	<9E91BE52-D3F4-46C0-80CA-A56DC1936981@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <212BE89F-C599-4435-9EA2-EE3AF3FD52D3@mac.com>

So you dont want me to bring it round?

Regards

Alan
		

On 5 Oct 2009, at 09:25, Robbie Murray wrote:

> I've had mine to pieces and completely cleaned it, but it's not for
> the faint hearted, as the ball sits in a tiny little cup held in place
> by 4 miniscule bearings and magnets which are very tricky for fat
> fingers to replace.
>
> I was beginning to regret it, but eventually got there.  I would,
> however, be loath to do it again!
>
>
> Robbie
>
> On 5 Oct 2009, at 09:00, Scott Matthews wrote:
>
> I've heard that turning the mouse upside down and rubbing the scroll
> 'ball' against a piece of paper works.
> I got fed up with mine clogging up, it seemed to need cleaning every
> two weeks, got fed up with it and replaced it with *gasp* a spare
> Microsoft mouse I had
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Alan Barber
> <alan.barber3 at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> The scroll wheel on my corded mighty mouse has stopped working.
>> Any ideas on how to get it going again?
>>
>> I believe it may need cleaning.
>> Easiest way?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From alanbarber at mac.com  Mon Oct  5 09:35:16 2009
From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 09:35:16 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] mighty mouse
In-Reply-To: <B5D09435-32ED-441B-9716-0A6D53E4A7FF@durrant.co.uk>
References: <41187A4B-43A6-4B3E-B1EC-08418F19E274@mac.com>
	<B5D09435-32ED-441B-9716-0A6D53E4A7FF@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <9FB581EA-15CE-4100-87D2-FE1E6ED3AF7E@mac.com>

Thanks for all the tips
cleaned and working fine

Regards

Alan
		

On 5 Oct 2009, at 08:32, Paul Durrant wrote:

> Now would be a good time to clean it. Get a sheet of plain paper on a
> hard surface. turn mouse upside down, and roll the scroll ball across
> the paper in lots of different directions.
>
> The scroll ball seems to be prone to getting clogged with dirt. A
> design flaw, IMO. I have heard rumours that the next mouse will have a
> sensor area rather than a physical scroll. But that's just rumour.
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 5 Oct 2009, at 08:26, Alan Barber wrote:
>
>> Panic over it started working again
>> Perhaps it was just asleep.
>>
>
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Oct  5 10:17:59 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 10:17:59 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Apple ads hint at thinner iMacs, lighter MacBooks,
	cheaper Mac minis
In-Reply-To: <D754863A-6DB1-47F7-B562-11031FC77FB1@virgin.net>
References: <D754863A-6DB1-47F7-B562-11031FC77FB1@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <1DD053F5-F013-4616-9FA4-5CC61ED44213@simonroyal.co.uk>

Paul

Stocks of Macs have been running low, some places like Amazon have  
sold out.

Simon

On 4 Oct 2009, at 22:56, Paul Chapman wrote:

> Just in case anyone was thinking about a new Mac.
>
> Might be a hoax but then again...
>
> <http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/10/03/apple_ads_hint_at_thinner_imacs_lighter_macbooks_cheaper_mac_minis.html
>>
>
> Paul C
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From macman at f2s.com  Mon Oct  5 11:30:58 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 11:30:58 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] mighty mouse
In-Reply-To: <212BE89F-C599-4435-9EA2-EE3AF3FD52D3@mac.com>
References: <F813FAD7-9DFD-467D-8801-A8050BE36F98@ntlworld.com>
	<ac224bde0910050100w517b5b64w4137b3d8f49f9a34@mail.gmail.com>
	<9E91BE52-D3F4-46C0-80CA-A56DC1936981@f2s.com>
	<212BE89F-C599-4435-9EA2-EE3AF3FD52D3@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E359E3D1-4BB4-4403-8E26-80AB8EFFC37E@f2s.com>

Not just at the moment thank you Alan ..


Robbie Murray
01603 620749
01603 516175
07882 007667
macman at f2s.com

On 5 Oct 2009, at 09:31, Alan Barber wrote:

So you dont want me to bring it round?

Regards

Alan
		

On 5 Oct 2009, at 09:25, Robbie Murray wrote:

> I've had mine to pieces and completely cleaned it, but it's not for
> the faint hearted, as the ball sits in a tiny little cup held in place
> by 4 miniscule bearings and magnets which are very tricky for fat
> fingers to replace.
>
> I was beginning to regret it, but eventually got there.  I would,
> however, be loath to do it again!
>
>
> Robbie
>
> On 5 Oct 2009, at 09:00, Scott Matthews wrote:
>
> I've heard that turning the mouse upside down and rubbing the scroll
> 'ball' against a piece of paper works.
> I got fed up with mine clogging up, it seemed to need cleaning every
> two weeks, got fed up with it and replaced it with *gasp* a spare
> Microsoft mouse I had
>
> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Alan Barber
> <alan.barber3 at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> The scroll wheel on my corded mighty mouse has stopped working.
>> Any ideas on how to get it going again?
>>
>> I believe it may need cleaning.
>> Easiest way?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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From stuartfidler_uk at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Oct  5 13:20:24 2009
From: stuartfidler_uk at yahoo.co.uk (Stuart Fidler)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 05:20:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NMUG] Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <E30C1457-BEDE-4E7B-BF32-A4C80D7DC694@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <414782.86910.qm@web24105.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

I have been running Windows 7 RC on a Mac Leopard laptop using Parallels and everything seems fine except, like all new operating systems, it takes a bit of getting used to. The real test is going to see which programs will fully migrate across ? at the moment I am only using Office 2003 and that seems fine. I have used Vista but have avoided installing as I did not like it. My desktop operating system is XP3 which seems fairly stable so I may be tempted to try XP with Parallels on the laptop.
?
I am holding out on Snow Leopard until I hear some more positive reports.
?
Bring back DOS, I say.
?
Stuart

?
--- On Thu, 1/10/09, Steve Batch <batchsteve at googlemail.com> wrote:


From: Steve Batch <batchsteve at googlemail.com>
Subject: [NMUG] Windows 7
To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Date: Thursday, 1 October, 2009, 12:26 PM


Hi,
now that Snow Leopard is settled in is anyone planning to install? 
windows 7 on Oct 22nd?

Anyone having a Windows 7 launch party?

I don't have a need for Windows 7, XP currently does what I need it to.


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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Oct  5 14:49:10 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 14:49:10 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Videos For DVD
Message-ID: <6A7D309E-7B5A-4103-9CAB-A9753E26514B@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

I have a bunch of clips I want to burn to DVD. They are currently in  
FLV format.

I can burn them directly with Toast, but it takes ages due to it  
having to re-encode (and having a relatively slow machine). Is it  
worth re-encoding them with something else or converting with another  
program?

Really what I am asking is, would another program encode them to DVD  
format faster or does Toast just pull in from the same source?

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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Oct  5 14:55:11 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 14:55:11 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Growl
In-Reply-To: <19CEB51D-6D8C-42C1-9CCE-4934BF04C55D@ntlworld.com>
References: <2C3FC02A-0B51-4FB8-8630-008F1295E15E@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<19CEB51D-6D8C-42C1-9CCE-4934BF04C55D@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <25F4FAF2-140A-4896-A73C-E5FCB5266196@simonroyal.co.uk>

Kerin

It's a notification tool.

Firefox: it will notify you when downloads are finished or when a new  
update.
Yahoo Messenger: it will tell you when new emails and messages come in.
Skype: it tells you when contacts come online and will even show you  
when a chat message comes in.
CyberDuck: it tells you when connections are open and when transfers  
are complete.

To name but a few uses. It just displays a small pop up that fades  
after a few seconds. It is handy so you dont have to keep switching  
apps to see what is going on.

Simon

On 4 Oct 2009, at 20:49, Kerin Westgate wrote:

> Sorry maybe I'm a little thick, I've read the web site but I still
> don't really know what it does?
>
> Kerin
>
> On 4 Oct 2009, at 15:13, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> Does anyone else use Growl?
>>
>> It is probably the best little app I have come across for the Mac. It
>> is just such an awesome app that interacts with lots of other apps to
>> tell you what is going on.
>>
>> Brilliant.
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
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>> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Mon Oct  5 15:14:05 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:14:05 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Videos For DVD
In-Reply-To: <6A7D309E-7B5A-4103-9CAB-A9753E26514B@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <6A7D309E-7B5A-4103-9CAB-A9753E26514B@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <9E5BA373-54A4-4666-8111-DC9D908FCB32@virgin.net>


On Oct 5, 2009, at 14:49, Simon Royal wrote:

> Really what I am asking is, would another program encode them to DVD
> format faster or does Toast just pull in from the same source?

I've been creating DVDs since my G3 iMac days and found that Toast is  
as fast as most other programs. These days on my latest machine the  
encoding is quick but back then I would get it all set up ready then  
tell it to start before I went to bed. Usually it was done by the  
morning so didn't get in the way of doing anything else.

Paul C

From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Oct  5 15:26:55 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:26:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Videos For DVD
In-Reply-To: <9E5BA373-54A4-4666-8111-DC9D908FCB32@virgin.net>
References: <6A7D309E-7B5A-4103-9CAB-A9753E26514B@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<9E5BA373-54A4-4666-8111-DC9D908FCB32@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <2960BF04-F64D-41CE-BACB-3072D4B91A9D@simonroyal.co.uk>

Paul

Thanks. I thought Toast was pretty good but I just wanted to make sure.

Looks like my PowerBook will be up all night.

Simon

On 5 Oct 2009, at 15:14, Paul Chapman wrote:

>
> On Oct 5, 2009, at 14:49, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> Really what I am asking is, would another program encode them to DVD
>> format faster or does Toast just pull in from the same source?
>
> I've been creating DVDs since my G3 iMac days and found that Toast is
> as fast as most other programs. These days on my latest machine the
> encoding is quick but back then I would get it all set up ready then
> tell it to start before I went to bed. Usually it was done by the
> morning so didn't get in the way of doing anything else.
>
> Paul C
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From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Mon Oct  5 15:28:56 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:28:56 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Problems with iPlayer Grabber
Message-ID: <8E940D62-7D7C-4DB0-9C6F-98563913C9F8@virgin.net>

I haven't been able to download any Radio or TV programmes in the last  
few days via iPlayer Grabber. After selecting a programme to get there  
appears a box telling me that "The program you selected could not be  
downloaded! There is no page for this programme. This probably means  
that the programme does not exist." I have tried with iPlayer  
Downloader and that also has problems. This was on my Intel iMac and I  
have tried with my MacBook Pro with the same results. Anyone else  
having problems? Has the BBC changed things again?

Paul C


From band1 at mac.com  Mon Oct  5 15:35:26 2009
From: band1 at mac.com (David King)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:35:26 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Problems with iPlayer Grabber
In-Reply-To: <8E940D62-7D7C-4DB0-9C6F-98563913C9F8@virgin.net>
References: <8E940D62-7D7C-4DB0-9C6F-98563913C9F8@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <90BBE08A-A545-432B-B633-0857444B0079@mac.com>

Yes exactly the same but you can now use the BBC downloader.  If you  
go to the BBC iPlayer site you need to install BBC iPlayer desktop -  
it does it all for you - and then the programme will download.  Not  
sure when all this changed but presumably means the other programmes  
are now defunct.  This may be intel only of course.

David


On 5 Oct 2009, at 15:28, Paul Chapman wrote:

> I haven't been able to download any Radio or TV programmes in the last
> few days via iPlayer Grabber. After selecting a programme to get there
> appears a box telling me that "The program you selected could not be
> downloaded! There is no page for this programme. This probably means
> that the programme does not exist." I have tried with iPlayer
> Downloader and that also has problems. This was on my Intel iMac and I
> have tried with my MacBook Pro with the same results. Anyone else
> having problems? Has the BBC changed things again?
>
> Paul C
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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From munkt0n at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 15:36:45 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:36:45 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Problems with iPlayer Grabber
In-Reply-To: <8E940D62-7D7C-4DB0-9C6F-98563913C9F8@virgin.net>
References: <8E940D62-7D7C-4DB0-9C6F-98563913C9F8@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0910050736q13e863f9l2de8b7294363cc23@mail.gmail.com>

yep, BBC have changed things again. from the iPlayer Grabber site

"iPlayer Grabber is currently broken. The maintainer of the script
that powers iPlayer Grabber is away until October 10th so there will
be no fix for a while yet. Sorry for the inconvenience!"



On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Paul Chapman <penguin.999 at virgin.net> wrote:
> I haven't been able to download any Radio or TV programmes in the last
> few days via iPlayer Grabber. After selecting a programme to get there
> appears a box telling me that "The program you selected could not be
> downloaded! There is no page for this programme. This probably means
> that the programme does not exist." I have tried with iPlayer
> Downloader and that also has problems. This was on my Intel iMac and I
> have tried with my MacBook Pro with the same results. Anyone else
> having problems? Has the BBC changed things again?
>
> Paul C
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
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From macman at f2s.com  Mon Oct  5 15:50:30 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:50:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Problems with iPlayer Grabber
In-Reply-To: <8E940D62-7D7C-4DB0-9C6F-98563913C9F8@virgin.net>
References: <8E940D62-7D7C-4DB0-9C6F-98563913C9F8@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <B4BEF0EF-8F9E-4EA7-9AB1-72A6C8016D97@f2s.com>

Yes, same here Paul ...


Robbie

On 5 Oct 2009, at 15:28, Paul Chapman wrote:

I haven't been able to download any Radio or TV programmes in the last
few days via iPlayer Grabber. After selecting a programme to get there
appears a box telling me that "The program you selected could not be
downloaded! There is no page for this programme. This probably means
that the programme does not exist." I have tried with iPlayer
Downloader and that also has problems. This was on my Intel iMac and I
have tried with my MacBook Pro with the same results. Anyone else
having problems? Has the BBC changed things again?

Paul C

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From macman at f2s.com  Mon Oct  5 15:55:00 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 15:55:00 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Problems with iPlayer Grabber
In-Reply-To: <90BBE08A-A545-432B-B633-0857444B0079@mac.com>
References: <8E940D62-7D7C-4DB0-9C6F-98563913C9F8@virgin.net>
	<90BBE08A-A545-432B-B633-0857444B0079@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4DC8EE23-B5AC-44FA-BCE2-2E1CA58F0457@f2s.com>

Problem with that are that It's a much bigger file, and time limited,  
whereas you can keep the Grabber & Downloader files for ever ...

(I don't want to get into a discussion about the legality though - I  
understand it's very grey ....)

They've also done away with the option to listen to Radio on a  
standalone Real Player, which I found very convenient.

Robbie


On 5 Oct 2009, at 15:35, David King wrote:

Yes exactly the same but you can now use the BBC downloader.  If you
go to the BBC iPlayer site you need to install BBC iPlayer desktop -
it does it all for you - and then the programme will download.  Not
sure when all this changed but presumably means the other programmes
are now defunct.  This may be intel only of course.

David


On 5 Oct 2009, at 15:28, Paul Chapman wrote:

> I haven't been able to download any Radio or TV programmes in the last
> few days via iPlayer Grabber. After selecting a programme to get there
> appears a box telling me that "The program you selected could not be
> downloaded! There is no page for this programme. This probably means
> that the programme does not exist." I have tried with iPlayer
> Downloader and that also has problems. This was on my Intel iMac and I
> have tried with my MacBook Pro with the same results. Anyone else
> having problems? Has the BBC changed things again?
>
> Paul C
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

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From band1 at mac.com  Mon Oct  5 15:57:29 2009
From: band1 at mac.com (David King)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 15:57:29 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Problems with iPlayer Grabber
In-Reply-To: <4DC8EE23-B5AC-44FA-BCE2-2E1CA58F0457@f2s.com>
References: <8E940D62-7D7C-4DB0-9C6F-98563913C9F8@virgin.net>
	<90BBE08A-A545-432B-B633-0857444B0079@mac.com>
	<4DC8EE23-B5AC-44FA-BCE2-2E1CA58F0457@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <A8315B6D-06B0-4567-96D8-A0D39F3C92E2@mac.com>

But if you want a programme yesterday or today or tomorrow it appears  
to be the only answer until the others are upgraded.

David


On 5 Oct 2009, at 15:55, Robbie Murray wrote:

> Problem with that are that It's a much bigger file, and time limited,
> whereas you can keep the Grabber & Downloader files for ever ...
>
> (I don't want to get into a discussion about the legality though - I
> understand it's very grey ....)
>
> They've also done away with the option to listen to Radio on a
> standalone Real Player, which I found very convenient.
>
> Robbie
>
>
> On 5 Oct 2009, at 15:35, David King wrote:
>
> Yes exactly the same but you can now use the BBC downloader.  If you
> go to the BBC iPlayer site you need to install BBC iPlayer desktop -
> it does it all for you - and then the programme will download.  Not
> sure when all this changed but presumably means the other programmes
> are now defunct.  This may be intel only of course.
>
> David
>
>
> On 5 Oct 2009, at 15:28, Paul Chapman wrote:
>
>> I haven't been able to download any Radio or TV programmes in the  
>> last
>> few days via iPlayer Grabber. After selecting a programme to get  
>> there
>> appears a box telling me that "The program you selected could not be
>> downloaded! There is no page for this programme. This probably means
>> that the programme does not exist." I have tried with iPlayer
>> Downloader and that also has problems. This was on my Intel iMac  
>> and I
>> have tried with my MacBook Pro with the same results. Anyone else
>> having problems? Has the BBC changed things again?
>>
>> Paul C
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Oct  5 17:37:08 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:37:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard vs Windows 7
References: <A8315B6D-06B0-4567-96D8-A0D39F3C92E2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <784746D0-A87A-41F8-B239-48CBE74756EA@durrant.co.uk>

The Joy of Tech amused me with this cartoon:

http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1286.html

Paul


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Oct  5 17:43:56 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:43:56 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard vs Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <784746D0-A87A-41F8-B239-48CBE74756EA@durrant.co.uk>
References: <A8315B6D-06B0-4567-96D8-A0D39F3C92E2@mac.com>
	<784746D0-A87A-41F8-B239-48CBE74756EA@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <F19F842E-EE41-4516-AF91-E3523909F39F@simonroyal.co.uk>

Paul

Hilarious.

Simon

On 5 Oct 2009, at 17:37, Paul Durrant wrote:

> The Joy of Tech amused me with this cartoon:
>
> http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/1286.html
>
> Paul
>
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From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com  Mon Oct  5 18:14:59 2009
From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 18:14:59 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard vs Windows
Message-ID: <CB255E84-2BED-4C9D-95AE-5E1D51376959@gmail.com>

It's very cruel to laugh at Windows shortcomings, but oh! so funny.  
Thanks Paul
Richard Stewart
rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com





From minkennison at mac.com  Mon Oct  5 18:24:11 2009
From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:24:11 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard vs Windows
In-Reply-To: <CB255E84-2BED-4C9D-95AE-5E1D51376959@gmail.com>
References: <CB255E84-2BED-4C9D-95AE-5E1D51376959@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C9FBDE5D-7ED5-4B6D-B4E9-071743099010@mac.com>

EXCELLENT  Paul.  Thank you

Min
On 5 Oct 2009, at 18:145 Oct 2009, Richard Stewart wrote:

> It's very cruel to laugh at Windows shortcomings, but oh! so funny.
> Thanks Paul
> Richard Stewart
> rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Oct  5 20:21:22 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 20:21:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Free iPod Ripper
Message-ID: <8B9D0715-FAEE-479E-93FB-1F96A2C12492@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

I need a tool to take music off of my iPod. It has to be free of course.

I used to use Senuti, but it has expired. YamiPod doesn't seem to work  
with iTunes 9. iPodRip is free but it requires auto-sync with iTunes  
on your iPod and mine is manual.

Can anyone help. I only want to pull one song from my iPod.

Simon Royal
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Oct  5 21:19:17 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 21:19:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Vocal Removal / Instrumentals
Message-ID: <6DE47532-F7BE-41C8-8551-CB8FB45EDED4@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

A while ago I removed the vocals from a song and it worked amazingly  
well. I am sure I used Audacity to do it. However, I just tried again  
with a different track and I don't remember the process being like  
that and the end results were not very good at all.

So.

1. Does anyone know of a piece of software that does this?
2. Does anyone know where I can get instrumental versions of songs...  
instrumentals and not horrible karaoke versions?
3. Or perhaps by some long shot, does somebody has an instrumental  
version of Paul Young - Wherever I Lay My Hat?

Simon Royal
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From Tgoldensection at aol.com  Mon Oct  5 22:28:40 2009
From: Tgoldensection at aol.com (Tgoldensection at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 17:28:40 EDT
Subject: [NMUG] Updating Tiger
Message-ID: <be0.666e1421.37fbbf08@aol.com>

I downloaded the 10.4.11 update for my version 10.4.3 Tiger that was  
already installed on a secondhand eMac.
 
I copied it to a reader then to the HD on the Mac in question, doubled  
clicked it, it opened, I then double clicked and the installation procedure  
started. It got as far as asking where to install it and I highlighted the  HD.
 
I then got the message words to the effect 'you can't install this volume  
as it doesn't meet the installation requirements.'
 
I thought that maybe the leap to 10.4.11 was too much, so I tried again  
with 10.4.6 but with the same result.
 
The machine is a 1.25Ghz G4 with 1 gig ram and 40 gig hard  drive.
 
Am I doing something wrong? I'm not used to OS X.
 
Any thoughts gratefully received.

From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Oct  5 22:45:32 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:45:32 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Updating Tiger
In-Reply-To: <be0.666e1421.37fbbf08@aol.com>
References: <be0.666e1421.37fbbf08@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2C1F26AF-BE02-4F3F-8025-0C1146CD45A9@durrant.co.uk>

Make sure you download the 'combo' updater, then you should be able to  
go from 10.4.3 to 10.4.11 in one step.

The combo updater you want is here: http://support.apple.com/kb/DL170

180MB of download!

And then you'll need all the security updates... It's a lot easier  
just to use the built-in Software Update if you can hook the machine  
up to the internet.

regards,

Paul



On 5 Oct 2009, at 22:28, Tgoldensection at aol.com wrote:

> I downloaded the 10.4.11 update for my version 10.4.3 Tiger that was
> already installed on a secondhand eMac.
>
> I copied it to a reader then to the HD on the Mac in question, doubled
> clicked it, it opened, I then double clicked and the installation  
> procedure
> started. It got as far as asking where to install it and I  
> highlighted the  HD.
>
> I then got the message words to the effect 'you can't install this  
> volume
> as it doesn't meet the installation requirements.'
>
> I thought that maybe the leap to 10.4.11 was too much, so I tried  
> again
> with 10.4.6 but with the same result.
>
> The machine is a 1.25Ghz G4 with 1 gig ram and 40 gig hard  drive.
>
> Am I doing something wrong? I'm not used to OS X.
>
> Any thoughts gratefully received.


From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Mon Oct  5 22:52:55 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:52:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Problems with iPlayer Grabber
In-Reply-To: <8E940D62-7D7C-4DB0-9C6F-98563913C9F8@virgin.net>
References: <8E940D62-7D7C-4DB0-9C6F-98563913C9F8@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <06579EB8-4635-4FEA-B667-327C2EB4903E@virgin.net>

Now trying to go the 'official' route for downloading programmes with  
BBC iPlayer and I cannot find any that have the download button  
available. I can listen again but I don't know where the option is to  
download for listening later.

Any thoughts where I'm going wrong? I used to be able to do this but  
either I have forgotten or they have changed something.

Paul C

From allanmacam at me.com  Mon Oct  5 23:08:24 2009
From: allanmacam at me.com (Allan)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 23:08:24 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] This should put the cat amongst the pidgeons
Message-ID: <2ABDCADD-9A4D-494C-A386-0D921FF5950E@me.com>

If this is trues, that is..

http://thurly.net//5yv

AJ

From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Oct  5 23:12:37 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 23:12:37 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] This should put the cat amongst the pidgeons
In-Reply-To: <2ABDCADD-9A4D-494C-A386-0D921FF5950E@me.com>
References: <2ABDCADD-9A4D-494C-A386-0D921FF5950E@me.com>
Message-ID: <87F6F4E9-643D-4953-8402-29E336E73C0F@simonroyal.co.uk>

Alan

Yes, another company offered a USB dongle that enabled this.

Simon

On 5 Oct 2009, at 23:08, Allan wrote:

> If this is trues, that is..
>
> http://thurly.net//5yv
>
> AJ
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Oct  5 23:17:27 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 23:17:27 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Interesting
Message-ID: <0E120A7D-3091-4640-8998-91EEEEE7D2B6@simonroyal.co.uk>

Interesting stat:

85% of Mac owners also own a Windows machine.

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-348905.html

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From nathan.crosby at virgin.net  Mon Oct  5 23:21:34 2009
From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 23:21:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mail problems
Message-ID: <E156508C-8549-4645-9CC1-74ADCFDEF33C@virgin.net>

Does anyone else using virgin.net have a mail problem?
I receive different emails on my macbook than I do on my iMac.
They used to be duplicated but not anymore.
I know Virgin have been changing their mail systems.
If I only check one computer I am missing some emails.

Nathan

From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com  Mon Oct  5 23:31:13 2009
From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 23:31:13 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mail problems
In-Reply-To: <E156508C-8549-4645-9CC1-74ADCFDEF33C@virgin.net>
References: <E156508C-8549-4645-9CC1-74ADCFDEF33C@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <F29309B2-C7BA-43D8-870B-6972A478F16F@ntlworld.com>

I use to (virgin media now), but my daughter still use virgin.net on  
pc it's running smooth on her's either.   Sorry cant help more than  
that.

Kerin

On 5 Oct 2009, at 23:21, Nathan Crosby wrote:

> Does anyone else using virgin.net have a mail problem?
> I receive different emails on my macbook than I do on my iMac.
> They used to be duplicated but not anymore.
> I know Virgin have been changing their mail systems.
> If I only check one computer I am missing some emails.
>
> Nathan
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From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Tue Oct  6 02:47:44 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:47:44 -0400
Subject: [NMUG] Mail problems
In-Reply-To: <E156508C-8549-4645-9CC1-74ADCFDEF33C@virgin.net>
References: <E156508C-8549-4645-9CC1-74ADCFDEF33C@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <4ACAA1C0.2040504@stackyard.org>

Nathan,

I'd love to say that it's Virgin (many people write in with Virgin mail 
problems) but I suspect that what's happening is that the email client 
on one or both of your machines has had its config changed by someone 
and has started to delete email from the server immediately after 
downloading instead of leaving it on the server long enough for the 
other machine to download the same emails.  In Apple Mail, the setting 
is under Preferences -> Accounts -> Advanced -> "Remove copy from server 
after retrieving a message:".  The trick is to choose a useful option 
such as "After one week" or "After one month", in other words, long 
enough to give the other machine time to download the emails but not so 
long that the email is there forever and crashes your quota.

This may not be the problem but it would explain the symptoms.

Ken

Nathan Crosby wrote:
> Does anyone else using virgin.net have a mail problem?
> I receive different emails on my macbook than I do on my iMac.
> They used to be duplicated but not anymore.
> I know Virgin have been changing their mail systems.
> If I only check one computer I am missing some emails.
>
> Nathan
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From nathan.crosby at virgin.net  Tue Oct  6 08:16:10 2009
From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 08:16:10 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mail problems
In-Reply-To: <4ACAA1C0.2040504@stackyard.org>
References: <E156508C-8549-4645-9CC1-74ADCFDEF33C@virgin.net>
	<4ACAA1C0.2040504@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <8BEB11CB-0F69-45E2-A5A7-B52128EB157A@virgin.net>

Thanks Ken this sounded logical but when I checked, both machine  
settings were 'After one week"
Any more ideas?

Nathan


On 6 Oct 2009, at 02:47, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
>  I suspect that what's happening is that the email client
> on one or both of your machines has had its config changed by someone
> and has started to delete email from the server immediately after
> downloading instead of leaving it on the server long enough for the
> other machine to download the same emails.
>
> Nathan Crosby wrote:
>> Does anyone else using virgin.net have a mail problem?
>> I receive different emails on my macbook than I do on my iMac.
>> They used to be duplicated but not anymore.
>> I know Virgin have been changing their mail systems.
>> If I only check one computer I am missing some emails.
>>



From Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net  Tue Oct  6 08:30:14 2009
From: Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net (Jeremy Webb)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 08:30:14 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mail problems
In-Reply-To: <8BEB11CB-0F69-45E2-A5A7-B52128EB157A@virgin.net>
References: <E156508C-8549-4645-9CC1-74ADCFDEF33C@virgin.net>
	<4ACAA1C0.2040504@stackyard.org>
	<8BEB11CB-0F69-45E2-A5A7-B52128EB157A@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <47F12524-4953-46CD-BD67-416EF879132C@virgin.net>

You're not alone Nathan. I had 3 or 4 days worth of problems going on  
- emails stuck on the server, or being held in spam folders etc on a  
machine only I use. I never touched the settings (honest guv) but  
after a quick sort out in webmail, things are back to normal now. I  
was notified by email from Virgin that "improvements" were being  
made. ho hum.

Jeremy Webb
Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net



On 6 Oct 2009, at 08:16, Nathan Crosby wrote:

> Thanks Ken this sounded logical but when I checked, both machine
> settings were 'After one week"
> Any more ideas?
>
> Nathan
>
>
> On 6 Oct 2009, at 02:47, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>
>>  I suspect that what's happening is that the email client
>> on one or both of your machines has had its config changed by someone
>> and has started to delete email from the server immediately after
>> downloading instead of leaving it on the server long enough for the
>> other machine to download the same emails.
>>
>> Nathan Crosby wrote:
>>> Does anyone else using virgin.net have a mail problem?
>>> I receive different emails on my macbook than I do on my iMac.
>>> They used to be duplicated but not anymore.
>>> I know Virgin have been changing their mail systems.
>>> If I only check one computer I am missing some emails.
>>>
>
>
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> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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> listinfo/nmug


From nathan.crosby at virgin.net  Tue Oct  6 08:37:08 2009
From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 08:37:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mail problems
In-Reply-To: <47F12524-4953-46CD-BD67-416EF879132C@virgin.net>
References: <E156508C-8549-4645-9CC1-74ADCFDEF33C@virgin.net>
	<4ACAA1C0.2040504@stackyard.org>
	<8BEB11CB-0F69-45E2-A5A7-B52128EB157A@virgin.net>
	<47F12524-4953-46CD-BD67-416EF879132C@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <5CBD9696-A564-4A96-A22A-A5EC9CDF2181@virgin.net>

Right. Why is it that 'improvements' inevitably make things worse!

Nathan


On 6 Oct 2009, at 08:30, Jeremy Webb wrote:

> You're not alone Nathan. I had 3 or 4 days worth of problems going on
> - emails stuck on the server, or being held in spam folders etc on a
> machine only I use. I never touched the settings (honest guv) but
> after a quick sort out in webmail, things are back to normal now. I
> was notified by email from Virgin that "improvements" were being
> made. ho hum.
>
> Jeremy Webb
> Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net
>
>
>
> On 6 Oct 2009, at 08:16, Nathan Crosby wrote:
>
>> Thanks Ken this sounded logical but when I checked, both machine
>> settings were 'After one week"
>> Any more ideas?
>>
>> Nathan
>>
>>
>> On 6 Oct 2009, at 02:47, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>>
>>> I suspect that what's happening is that the email client
>>> on one or both of your machines has had its config changed by  
>>> someone
>>> and has started to delete email from the server immediately after
>>> downloading instead of leaving it on the server long enough for the
>>> other machine to download the same emails.
>>>
>>> Nathan Crosby wrote:
>>>> Does anyone else using virgin.net have a mail problem?
>>>> I receive different emails on my macbook than I do on my iMac.
>>>> They used to be duplicated but not anymore.
>>>> I know Virgin have been changing their mail systems.
>>>> If I only check one computer I am missing some emails.
>>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/
>> listinfo/nmug
>
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From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net  Tue Oct  6 08:50:16 2009
From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 08:50:16 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mail problems
In-Reply-To: <47F12524-4953-46CD-BD67-416EF879132C@virgin.net>
References: <E156508C-8549-4645-9CC1-74ADCFDEF33C@virgin.net>
	<4ACAA1C0.2040504@stackyard.org>
	<8BEB11CB-0F69-45E2-A5A7-B52128EB157A@virgin.net>
	<47F12524-4953-46CD-BD67-416EF879132C@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <A3347A1C-2E42-4A8F-B146-CE91F6D0D15E@virgin.net>

Hello,

I too have problems (Virgin). I receive mail on 3 computers (1 PC  
running Windows XP) + iPod Touch.
However, reception is irregular i.e sometimes I receive a message on  
all 4, sometimes on 1 or 2, sometimes none.

I have altered my settings in 'Advanced',  as suggest by Ken Hamer,  
and will see what happens, however if that is was the reason, I would  
expect
those using other ISPs to have the same problem.

Virgin say that they are making changes and improvements to mail, so I  
await the result.

Ken Arnoldi


On 6 Oct 2009, at 08:30, Jeremy Webb wrote:

>>>> Does anyone else using virgin.net have a mail problem?


From ricnev at mac.com  Tue Oct  6 09:00:20 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 09:00:20 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG iPhoto learners Workshop
Message-ID: <C221DE49-88B2-4755-8498-B9A6D1BAF491@mac.com>

After the first few 'beginners' courses, we had a number of requests  
to have a session on iPhoto, so the course next Saturday (10/10/09)  
will be an iPhoto workshop.

As usual it will be held in the back meeting room at St. Matthews  
Church Telegraph Lane West Thorpe Hamlet.
For directions see http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&tab=wl

The 2 hour session (10-12 noon) will give people the opportunity to  
explore the program and to help each other with tips. tricks and  
hidden features.

If there is a member out there who is comfortably familiar with iPhoto  
who could spare the time to help lead the session, please let me know.  
We don't need a full blown expert (although that would be great), just  
somebody who knows how to drive it.

Could those people who are intending to come to the workshop please  
let me know either on or off list, so that catering arrangements can  
be made.

A sprinkling of MacBooks/MacBookPros with iPhoto and some problematic  
pics on them might be useful, as well.

See you Saturday,

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com




From richardivers at mac.com  Tue Oct  6 09:14:07 2009
From: richardivers at mac.com (Richard Ivers)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 09:14:07 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Problems with iPlayer Grabber
In-Reply-To: <06579EB8-4635-4FEA-B667-327C2EB4903E@virgin.net>
References: <8E940D62-7D7C-4DB0-9C6F-98563913C9F8@virgin.net>
	<06579EB8-4635-4FEA-B667-327C2EB4903E@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <5F62BB0C-43A5-4C1F-8C6F-9B360F448920@mac.com>

Paul, the BBC iPlayer site states that there are very few radio  
programs available to download and the reason they give for that is  
Digital Rights Management. I can see that there might be a problem  
with music. Programs are available to stream for up to seven days  
after original broadcast. You could see if the program you are  
interested in is available as a podcast which you can download and  
tailor for the device you intend to play it on. By the way I couldn't  
find ANY radio programs to download.
Regards
Richard
On 5 Oct 2009, at 22:52, Paul Chapman wrote:

> Now trying to go the 'official' route for downloading programmes with
> BBC iPlayer and I cannot find any that have the download button
> available. I can listen again but I don't know where the option is to
> download for listening later.
>
> Any thoughts where I'm going wrong? I used to be able to do this but
> either I have forgotten or they have changed something.
>
> Paul C
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From Tgoldensection at aol.com  Tue Oct  6 09:23:09 2009
From: Tgoldensection at aol.com (Tgoldensection at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 04:23:09 EDT
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG iPhoto learners Workshop
Message-ID: <c58.52b69fc6.37fc586d@aol.com>

I'm new to this site and would like to learn a website programme, have you  
had any intros on this subject?
 
Terry

From ricnev at mac.com  Tue Oct  6 09:46:32 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 09:46:32 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Website design programs intro Course: Was: Re: NMUG iPhoto
 learners Workshop
In-Reply-To: <c58.52b69fc6.37fc586d@aol.com>
References: <c58.52b69fc6.37fc586d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4F7EFBD4-858A-4611-9385-FDD2D08C79B5@mac.com>

Hello Terry, Welcome to NMUG. How did you find out about us?

We've not yet done website programs. We ran a survey of attendees at  
the first couple of beginners courses and website construction/design  
<was> one of the things which people expressed some interest in.

We may run an introductory session at some stage, depending on demand.

Your interest is noted and helps to measure demand.


On 6 Oct 2009, at 09:23, Tgoldensection at aol.com wrote:

> I'm new to this site and would like to learn a website programme,  
> have you
> had any intros on this subject?
>
> Terry

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com




From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Tue Oct  6 09:58:42 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (Stefan Youngs)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:58:42 +0200
Subject: [NMUG] Virgin mail problems
Message-ID: <cfa1ffb00910060158n687ef8bbv3710287210cd43aa@mail.gmail.com>

In respect of mail problems possibly originating elsewhere, please bear in
mind an axiom of computing stipulating use of Virgin Media in any way shape
or form involves problems.
This is an immutable law of the Universe determined by the use of 'Virgin
Media' and 'service' in close proximity.

Sent from Mallorca Spain where I am involved in proving the square on the
playa is equal to the other two squares in the bar.

-- 
Stefan Youngs
Tel:   +44 (01603) 702714 UK Landline
Tel:   +1 (415) 449 1771 US Landline
FAX: +1 (206) 237 4155
skype me at stefanyoungs

From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Oct  6 10:06:45 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:06:45 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 12" Alu vs 15" Ti
Message-ID: <5A31B8FE-AE76-4F42-8A22-34133470493D@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

It's comparison time again. I've got a 1Ghz TiBook coming (it needs a  
little work and a few donor parts from my Ti) and I might be in with a  
chance of a 12" Aluminium PowerBook and wondered how they compared to  
the Titanium.

The AlBook is either an 867Mhz or a 1Ghz - so farely comparable to my  
current TiBook.

The TiBook has L3 cache. The AlBook doesn't.
Both are 133Mhz system bus.
The TiBook uses PC133 RAM and tops at 1GB. The AlBook uses DDR RAM and  
tops at 1.1GB.
The TiBook has a 15.2" screen 1280x768 native. The AlBook has a 12"  
screen 1024x768 native.
The TiBook has 10/100/1000 ethernet. The ABook has 10/100 ethernet.

I love my TiBook, but if I can get a little extra ooomph for little  
pennies then I'm up for it. There isn't much difference in spec, but  
would the fact it the AlBook has DDR RAM and a slightly higher limit  
make a big difference. Also they both have 32MB AGP 4x graphics cards,  
but the AlBook has a smaller, lower resolution screen to power.

The 1Ghz TiBook ups its video RAM to 64MB whereas the 1Ghz 12" AlBook  
only has 32MB of RAM, but has a RAM limit of 1.25Ghz vs the 1GB of all  
the TiBooks.

Out of the 4 which one is better. I know a MacBook is my best option,  
but it is out of reach at the moment.

Simon Royal
---
Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal 
. Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)









From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue Oct  6 10:27:11 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:27:11 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 12" Alu vs 15" Ti
In-Reply-To: <5A31B8FE-AE76-4F42-8A22-34133470493D@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <5A31B8FE-AE76-4F42-8A22-34133470493D@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <A1ACF3D6-57DE-4BF2-A629-FDE8CBABCA18@durrant.co.uk>

The 1GHz Titanium Powerbook is clearly the better machine unless you  
need extreme portability.

Having the Mobility Radeon 9000 video chip will make the display  
faster. Having Gigabit ethernet is a big plus for home networking. And  
the bigger screen! And the DVI out instead of VGA.

regards,

Paul

On 6 Oct 2009, at 10:06, Simon Royal wrote:

> It's comparison time again. I've got a 1Ghz TiBook coming (it needs a
> little work and a few donor parts from my Ti) and I might be in with a
> chance of a 12" Aluminium PowerBook and wondered how they compared to
> the Titanium.


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue Oct  6 10:29:19 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:29:19 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 12" Alu vs 15" Ti
In-Reply-To: <5A31B8FE-AE76-4F42-8A22-34133470493D@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <5A31B8FE-AE76-4F42-8A22-34133470493D@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <2FA09ADD-9FBC-4800-B8C7-1B44454DF2CF@durrant.co.uk>

The 1GHz Titanium Powerbook is clearly the better machine unless you  
need extreme portability.

Having the Mobility Radeon 9000 video chip will make the screen  
better. Having Gigabit ethernet is a big plus for home networking. And  
the bigger screen! And the DVI out instead of VGA.

regards,

Paul

On 6 Oct 2009, at 10:06, Simon Royal wrote:

> It's comparison time again. I've got a 1Ghz TiBook coming (it needs a
> little work and a few donor parts from my Ti) and I might be in with a
> chance of a 12" Aluminium PowerBook and wondered how they compared to
> the Titanium.


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Oct  6 10:48:50 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 10:48:50 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 12" Alu vs 15" Ti
In-Reply-To: <A1ACF3D6-57DE-4BF2-A629-FDE8CBABCA18@durrant.co.uk>
References: <5A31B8FE-AE76-4F42-8A22-34133470493D@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<A1ACF3D6-57DE-4BF2-A629-FDE8CBABCA18@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <D07EA3DB-8FFE-4348-BD26-3B678B9EF6DC@simonroyal.co.uk>

Paul

Would the extra video RAM and better video card out way the higher RAM  
limit and faster system bus?

Bear in mind my TiBook is my main Mac so it gets everything from  
Photoshop and Illustrator work to audio and video processing.

Simon

On 6 Oct 2009, at 10:27, Paul Durrant wrote:

> The 1GHz Titanium Powerbook is clearly the better machine unless you
> need extreme portability.
>
> Having the Mobility Radeon 9000 video chip will make the display
> faster. Having Gigabit ethernet is a big plus for home networking. And
> the bigger screen! And the DVI out instead of VGA.
>
> regards,
>
> Paul
>
> On 6 Oct 2009, at 10:06, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> It's comparison time again. I've got a 1Ghz TiBook coming (it needs a
>> little work and a few donor parts from my Ti) and I might be in  
>> with a
>> chance of a 12" Aluminium PowerBook and wondered how they compared to
>> the Titanium.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
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. Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)









From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Oct  6 11:20:55 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:20:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 12" PowerBook
Message-ID: <46AAFE78-2097-4312-94A9-3F8928E1868E@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

I know a couple of you are using a 12" PowerBook. Can you let me know  
what you think of them and whether you have had any problems with it.

I've been reading about the whole AlBook range and seemed to be  
plagued with major problems like faulty logic boards, over heating,  
dodgy screen connections, but I don't know whether this is just web- 
slander. Also people only write they have problems.

I'd like to know how it handles Leopard. My 867Mhz TiBook runs it  
lovely, the latest update has caused a few SPODs more than usual.

Simon Royal
---
Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal 
. Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)









From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com  Tue Oct  6 11:33:17 2009
From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:33:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] RAM
Message-ID: <6189C761-FD88-4C1D-828E-4D532A82E810@ruthmurray.f2s.com>

HI folks

Does anyone have a 512MB SD RAM PC133MHZ  chip for sale?

To go in a Powerbook G4?

I need this upgrade a friends machine in order to load Tiger.

Many thanks

Ruth Murray
ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com

Ruth Murray
Graphic Design and Illustration
01603 632334

Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net





From ricnev at mac.com  Tue Oct  6 11:36:26 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 11:36:26 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Problems with iPlayer Grabber
In-Reply-To: <8E940D62-7D7C-4DB0-9C6F-98563913C9F8@virgin.net>
References: <8E940D62-7D7C-4DB0-9C6F-98563913C9F8@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <5DC02905-C0D0-4508-ADDD-EDB9DE20E371@mac.com>

The Beeb iPlayer seems to be in a state of flux at present,  
particularly with radio streams. This hiatus is affecting most grabbers.

For sound, you could try :

http://www.rogueamoeba.com/audiohijackpro/

or, more expensive :

http://www.ambrosiasw.com/utilities/wiretap/



On 5 Oct 2009, at 15:28, Paul Chapman wrote:

> I haven't been able to download any Radio or TV programmes in the last
> few days via iPlayer Grabber. After selecting a programme to get there
> appears a box telling me that "The program you selected could not be
> downloaded! There is no page for this programme. This probably means
> that the programme does not exist." I have tried with iPlayer
> Downloader and that also has problems. This was on my Intel iMac and I
> have tried with my MacBook Pro with the same results. Anyone else
> having problems? Has the BBC changed things again?



Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Oct  6 11:39:22 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 11:39:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] RAM
In-Reply-To: <6189C761-FD88-4C1D-828E-4D532A82E810@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
References: <6189C761-FD88-4C1D-828E-4D532A82E810@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
Message-ID: <B22FD5CC-78B8-45F4-88CC-E83B7627E816@simonroyal.co.uk>

Ruth

What model PowerBook G4 and how much RAM is in there at present?

Simon

On 6 Oct 2009, at 11:33, Ruth Murray wrote:

> HI folks
>
> Does anyone have a 512MB SD RAM PC133MHZ  chip for sale?
>
> To go in a Powerbook G4?
>
> I need this upgrade a friends machine in order to load Tiger.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Ruth Murray
> ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com
>
> Ruth Murray
> Graphic Design and Illustration
> 01603 632334
>
> Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
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. Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)









From robharrington at mac.com  Tue Oct  6 11:39:57 2009
From: robharrington at mac.com (ROB HARRINGTON)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 11:39:57 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mail problems
Message-ID: <424B79BA-1E14-4557-8A96-FB840CE56A51@mac.com>

I feel very hesitant in raising this particular problem again but  
here I go.

On 25th Sept I asked if anyone could shed light on a friend's - who  
lives abroad- QuickMail Pro problem: not always successfully sending  
or receiving e-mails.
I sent my enquiry from Annercy in France, using Mobileme through  
Safari. Paul Durrant kindly sent a reply very quickly but I did not  
receive it. I have never had any problems before using this set-up in  
other places.
I used, in my friend's house, a laptop which was basically a clone of  
her iMac in her office.
Now that I have returned to my own iMac back home (where all my  
correspondence was waiting for me) Ken Hamer's suggestion of checking  
Mail prefs>Accounts>Advanced>'Remove copy from server after  
retrieving message' seems like a good idea.
In my 2.1.3 version I cannot find that precise line.
I would like to know what checks I should make, either in Safari,  
Firefox, Mobilme or Mail, before I send further e-mails away from home.

I do not think I can help solve my friend's problem, one reason being  
is that she is hoping it will go away or is waiting until it gets  
dangerous and then call someone to sort it out.....
(It was interesting how quickly failed communication can become an  
irritation - I hesitated in raising this problem again as I had that  
response in both directions; must be a bit like making the effort to  
repeat conversation to a deaf person.)

Rob Harrington

From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Tue Oct  6 11:51:10 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 06:51:10 -0400
Subject: [NMUG] Virgin mail problems
In-Reply-To: <cfa1ffb00910060158n687ef8bbv3710287210cd43aa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cfa1ffb00910060158n687ef8bbv3710287210cd43aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ACB211E.1010904@stackyard.org>

Yes, couldn't agree more, Stefan.  When you consider that Virgin Media 
is just NTL in disguise, it's not surprising.  Actually, I believe they 
are in the process of cutting their email service over to Google but I 
can't confirm.  Almost every post to this list regarding email problems 
involves Virgin.

Salud!


Stefan Youngs wrote:
> In respect of mail problems possibly originating elsewhere, please bear in
> mind an axiom of computing stipulating use of Virgin Media in any way shape
> or form involves problems.
> This is an immutable law of the Universe determined by the use of 'Virgin
> Media' and 'service' in close proximity.
>
> Sent from Mallorca Spain where I am involved in proving the square on the
> playa is equal to the other two squares in the bar.
>
>   

From Tgoldensection at aol.com  Tue Oct  6 11:57:46 2009
From: Tgoldensection at aol.com (Tgoldensection at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 06:57:46 EDT
Subject: [NMUG] Upgrade Tiger
Message-ID: <d2a.585924bb.37fc7caa@aol.com>

Thanks for the advice Tiger now upgraded and quark 8 working.
 
 

From skipmeg at skipmeg.plus.com  Tue Oct  6 12:17:31 2009
From: skipmeg at skipmeg.plus.com (skipmeg at skipmeg.plus.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 12:17:31 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG iPhoto learners Workshop
In-Reply-To: <C221DE49-88B2-4755-8498-B9A6D1BAF491@mac.com>
References: <C221DE49-88B2-4755-8498-B9A6D1BAF491@mac.com>
Message-ID: <699c6922917a7db1b6e1c27562ba2c6b.squirrel@webmail.plus.net>

Looking forward to meeting all and the workshop. Brian Coman




 After the first few 'beginners' courses, we had a number of requests
> to have a session on iPhoto, so the course next Saturday (10/10/09)
> will be an iPhoto workshop.
>
>


From david at vanedwards.co.uk  Tue Oct  6 12:39:11 2009
From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 12:39:11 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG iPhoto learners Workshop
In-Reply-To: <C221DE49-88B2-4755-8498-B9A6D1BAF491@mac.com>
References: <C221DE49-88B2-4755-8498-B9A6D1BAF491@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06240803c6f0dcbab355@[192.168.1.100]>

We'd very much like to be there if there's space.

Best wishes,

David and Thea




>After the first few 'beginners' courses, we had a number of requests 
>to have a session on iPhoto, so the course next Saturday (10/10/09) 
>will be an iPhoto workshop.
>
>As usual it will be held in the back meeting room at St. Matthews 
>Church Telegraph Lane West Thorpe Hamlet.
>For directions see http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&tab=wl
>
>The 2 hour session (10-12 noon) will give people the opportunity to 
>explore the program and to help each other with tips. tricks and 
>hidden features.
>
>If there is a member out there who is comfortably familiar with iPhoto 
>who could spare the time to help lead the session, please let me know. 
>We don't need a full blown expert (although that would be great), just 
>somebody who knows how to drive it.
>
>Could those people who are intending to come to the workshop please 
>let me know either on or off list, so that catering arrangements can 
>be made.
>
>A sprinkling of MacBooks/MacBookPros with iPhoto and some problematic 
>pics on them might be useful, as well.
>
>See you Saturday,
>
>Richard Nevill
>ricnev at mac.com
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


-- 
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6 Whitwell Road,
Norwich,  NR1 4HB      
England.

Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899
Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk


From richardivers at mac.com  Tue Oct  6 13:04:45 2009
From: richardivers at mac.com (Richard Ivers)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:04:45 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhoto workshop
Message-ID: <E5B32C19-9545-4E4D-B6D3-B8D50E4827C1@mac.com>

Richard, count me in please

Regards
Richard

From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Tue Oct  6 13:13:00 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 08:13:00 -0400
Subject: [NMUG] Mail problems
In-Reply-To: <424B79BA-1E14-4557-8A96-FB840CE56A51@mac.com>
References: <424B79BA-1E14-4557-8A96-FB840CE56A51@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4ACB344C.4040208@stackyard.org>

Rob,

When you use MobileMe through Safari, you are getting a remote view of 
your email which is sitting on a server somewhere on Apple's network.  
The network or machine you are viewing it on are not involved in an 
email sense, they are merely displaying a web page for you.  If Paul's 
response to you did not appear on the MobileMe page, it was because, for 
whatever reason, the email wasn't on the MobileMe server at the point at 
which you looked and it had nothing to do with the network you were on, 
the location or the machine you were using at the time.

The reasons for an email not to show on any webmail service such as 
MobileMe are legion. One possible reason is that the email had already 
been downloaded by the email client on a computer somewhere else which 
was set to delete the email from the server immediately after download.  
When you were in France, were any family members using your computer at 
home?  Could they have checked your email, thus deleting it from the 
server, making it disappear from the MobileMe page?

I'm not familiar with QuickMail Pro but when there are OCCASIONAL 
send/receive failures with any email client, it usually means that there 
are network or infrastructure problems, i.e. somewhere between the 
Ethernet port on the back of your machine and the hard disk of the email 
server so probably outside of your control.  It's difficult to know 
where to look without seeing an error message.  Your friend probably 
fits into this category and she might want to look for another ISP or 
some sort of improvement to her connection.  Virgin users are also in 
this category.

Regarding the wording of the advanced email settings, yes, there could 
well be differences between different versions of Apple Mail. I only 
have 10.4 in front of me at this particular moment.  Most email clients 
have similar settings.  If you are using two or more machines to view 
the same email account, you must make sure that any email clients 
involved do not immediately delete email after downloading.  The default 
setting on Microsoft email clients is always to delete immediately.  I 
can't now remember what the default Apple Mail setting is.  Perhaps 
someone will remind us.

Ken

ROB HARRINGTON wrote:
> I feel very hesitant in raising this particular problem again but  
> here I go.
>
> On 25th Sept I asked if anyone could shed light on a friend's - who  
> lives abroad- QuickMail Pro problem: not always successfully sending  
> or receiving e-mails.
> I sent my enquiry from Annercy in France, using Mobileme through  
> Safari. Paul Durrant kindly sent a reply very quickly but I did not  
> receive it. I have never had any problems before using this set-up in  
> other places.
> I used, in my friend's house, a laptop which was basically a clone of  
> her iMac in her office.
> Now that I have returned to my own iMac back home (where all my  
> correspondence was waiting for me) Ken Hamer's suggestion of checking  
> Mail prefs>Accounts>Advanced>'Remove copy from server after  
> retrieving message' seems like a good idea.
> In my 2.1.3 version I cannot find that precise line.
> I would like to know what checks I should make, either in Safari,  
> Firefox, Mobilme or Mail, before I send further e-mails away from home.
>
> I do not think I can help solve my friend's problem, one reason being  
> is that she is hoping it will go away or is waiting until it gets  
> dangerous and then call someone to sort it out.....
> (It was interesting how quickly failed communication can become an  
> irritation - I hesitated in raising this problem again as I had that  
> response in both directions; must be a bit like making the effort to  
> repeat conversation to a deaf person.)
>
> Rob Harrington
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   

From jinshinjewels at googlemail.com  Tue Oct  6 13:41:23 2009
From: jinshinjewels at googlemail.com (Jules Slaughter)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 13:41:23 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Website design programs intro Course: Was: Re: NMUG
	iPhoto learners Workshop
In-Reply-To: <4F7EFBD4-858A-4611-9385-FDD2D08C79B5@mac.com>
References: <c58.52b69fc6.37fc586d@aol.com>
	<4F7EFBD4-858A-4611-9385-FDD2D08C79B5@mac.com>
Message-ID: <adb0e98a0910060541n6832cd8fm3506285029b0b133@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Richard

I would like a space if there is still room and probably Helen as
well.  I have emailed her to remind.

Regards
Jules

On 10/6/09, Richard Nevill <ricnev at mac.com> wrote:
> Hello Terry, Welcome to NMUG. How did you find out about us?
>
>  We've not yet done website programs. We ran a survey of attendees at
>  the first couple of beginners courses and website construction/design
>  <was> one of the things which people expressed some interest in.
>
>  We may run an introductory session at some stage, depending on demand.
>
>  Your interest is noted and helps to measure demand.
>
>
>  On 6 Oct 2009, at 09:23, Tgoldensection at aol.com wrote:
>
>  > I'm new to this site and would like to learn a website programme,
>  > have you
>  > had any intros on this subject?
>  >
>  > Terry
>
>  Richard Nevill
>  ricnev at mac.com
>
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>  Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>


-- 
Jules

CalmClasses & Therapies
to improve your health.

My business works on referrals.
If you like what I do, please tell others.
If not, please tell me.

From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue Oct  6 14:00:21 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:00:21 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 12" Alu vs 15" Ti
In-Reply-To: <D07EA3DB-8FFE-4348-BD26-3B678B9EF6DC@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <5A31B8FE-AE76-4F42-8A22-34133470493D@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<A1ACF3D6-57DE-4BF2-A629-FDE8CBABCA18@durrant.co.uk>
	<D07EA3DB-8FFE-4348-BD26-3B678B9EF6DC@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BBD62161-4259-44DB-86E7-86EADEFB3D5B@durrant.co.uk>

The extra 128MB of Ram possible on the 12" PBG4 is insignificant, IMO.

The faster memory bus might make a difference, but I think that the  
extra processor speed will more than make up for that, especially  
since the Ti has the 1MB level 3 DDR memory.

Whatever difference there is in performance is going to be very small.  
Even if the 12" was marginally faster for your uses, I think the  
bigger screen would more than make up for it.


Paul

On 6 Oct 2009, at 10:48, Simon Royal wrote:

> Paul
>
> Would the extra video RAM and better video card out way the higher RAM
> limit and faster system bus?
>
> Bear in mind my TiBook is my main Mac so it gets everything from
> Photoshop and Illustrator work to audio and video processing.
>
> Simon
>
> On 6 Oct 2009, at 10:27, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
>> The 1GHz Titanium Powerbook is clearly the better machine unless you
>> need extreme portability.
>>
>> Having the Mobility Radeon 9000 video chip will make the display
>> faster. Having Gigabit ethernet is a big plus for home networking.  
>> And
>> the bigger screen! And the DVI out instead of VGA.
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On 6 Oct 2009, at 10:06, Simon Royal wrote:
>>
>>> It's comparison time again. I've got a 1Ghz TiBook coming (it  
>>> needs a
>>> little work and a few donor parts from my Ti) and I might be in
>>> with a
>>> chance of a 12" Aluminium PowerBook and wondered how they compared  
>>> to
>>> the Titanium.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal
> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>


From minkennison at mac.com  Tue Oct  6 15:31:23 2009
From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:31:23 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG iPhoto learners Workshop
In-Reply-To: <699c6922917a7db1b6e1c27562ba2c6b.squirrel@webmail.plus.net>
References: <C221DE49-88B2-4755-8498-B9A6D1BAF491@mac.com>
	<699c6922917a7db1b6e1c27562ba2c6b.squirrel@webmail.plus.net>
Message-ID: <1C2C45AD-70C7-4A13-A179-D65E85A29D12@mac.com>

We look forward to meting you too Brian

Richard - I will be there this time

Min
On 6 Oct 2009, at 12:176 Oct 2009, skipmeg at skipmeg.plus.com wrote:

> Looking forward to meeting all and the workshop. Brian Coman
>
>
>
>
> After the first few 'beginners' courses, we had a number of requests
>> to have a session on iPhoto, so the course next Saturday (10/10/09)
>> will be an iPhoto workshop.
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net  Tue Oct  6 16:34:44 2009
From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:34:44 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Saturday class
Message-ID: <40B43D57-D4E3-4D62-8104-8F012D19486B@virgin.net>

Hello,

I expect to attend the iPhoto class next Saturday.

Celia Arnoldi

From djr.massy at ntlworld.com  Tue Oct  6 17:36:27 2009
From: djr.massy at ntlworld.com (DJR Massy)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 17:36:27 +0100
Subject: [NMUG]  256MB RAM going for S.A.E.
Message-ID: <770F914A-B9F7-4072-BCD4-179C084B999B@ntlworld.com>

Having just upgraded an iBook, there is a spare 256MB RAM piece going  
free.  I doubt if anyone wants it, but if so, please contact me offline.

Jim.

From june.perrett at mac.com  Tue Oct  6 17:37:40 2009
From: june.perrett at mac.com (June Perrett)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 17:37:40 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG iPhoto learners Workshop
Message-ID: <63932C1B-B53D-4EBD-AA2E-4EC9138174EC@mac.com>

Richard
I'm sorry I cannot attend the Beginners' courses for quite a while.
I am studying for another Keep Fit qualification and the training  
takes place on Saturdays. I hope all goes well on Saturday. Sorry to  
miss it.
Regards
June 
  

From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com  Tue Oct  6 17:43:16 2009
From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 17:43:16 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG iPhoto learners Workshop
In-Reply-To: <63932C1B-B53D-4EBD-AA2E-4EC9138174EC@mac.com>
References: <63932C1B-B53D-4EBD-AA2E-4EC9138174EC@mac.com>
Message-ID: <94F49B6C-3E96-4629-A532-EB862A451638@ruthmurray.f2s.com>

HI June

You can always book yourself on one of the free workshops on iPhoto  
held at the new Apple Store.

There is one on Sunday 11th Oct and the 18th Oct. 12-1pm

http://concierge.apple.com/WebObjects/Concierge.woa/12/wo/ 
AA1u9rSOTt5dRkpLcX1ij0/0.0.25.1#

Ruth


On 6 Oct 2009, at 17:37, June Perrett wrote:

> Richard
> I'm sorry I cannot attend the Beginners' courses for quite a while.
> I am studying for another Keep Fit qualification and the training
> takes place on Saturdays. I hope all goes well on Saturday. Sorry to
> miss it.
> Regards
> June
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ 
> listinfo/nmug
>

Ruth Murray
ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com

Ruth Murray
Graphic Design and Illustration
01603 632334

Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net





From kelvinyoungs at mac.com  Tue Oct  6 20:10:56 2009
From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:10:56 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG iPhoto learners Workshop
In-Reply-To: <c58.52b69fc6.37fc586d@aol.com>
References: <c58.52b69fc6.37fc586d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <830FD821-C3C5-4D29-802E-60D8CD8F67DF@mac.com>

Terry
I have never done web work before and taught myself using a mac based  
programme Rapid Weaver.
It really is a great programme and very easy to learn ? it must be for  
me to use it!
Not expensive either (Free I think for up to 5 pages.) Then around ?50  
for the programme.
They also have a superb forum where you can get answers to problems  
very quickly.
http://www.realmacsoftware.com/rapidweaver/

Kelvin
http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com

On 6 Oct 2009, at 09:23, Tgoldensection at aol.com wrote:

> I'm new to this site and would like to learn a website programme,  
> have you
> had any intros on this subject?
>
> Terry
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com




From ehitchins at aol.com  Tue Oct  6 20:59:13 2009
From: ehitchins at aol.com (ehitchins at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 15:59:13 -0400
Subject: [NMUG] ReSaturday IPhoto Session
Message-ID: <8CC14D69C8FBACB-311C-13D1D@webmail-d008.sysops.aol.com>

Hope to be there


Eric Hitchins

From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Wed Oct  7 03:09:03 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2009 22:09:03 -0400
Subject: [NMUG] Mail problems
In-Reply-To: <8BEB11CB-0F69-45E2-A5A7-B52128EB157A@virgin.net>
References: <E156508C-8549-4645-9CC1-74ADCFDEF33C@virgin.net>	<4ACAA1C0.2040504@stackyard.org>
	<8BEB11CB-0F69-45E2-A5A7-B52128EB157A@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <4ACBF83F.4060605@stackyard.org>

Sorry this is such a late reply to this thread - long story.  If both of 
your machines are set to leave the email on the server for long enough 
for the other one to download a copy, then it might just be a Virgin 
problem. I assume you ticked the tick box next to "Remove copy from 
server after retrieving a message:".  I presume also that you have only 
one account and that there aren't actually two email addresses here.  
See what happens if you use the Virgin webmail page to read your email.

Ken

Nathan Crosby wrote:
> Thanks Ken this sounded logical but when I checked, both machine  
> settings were 'After one week"
> Any more ideas?
>
> Nathan
>
>
> On 6 Oct 2009, at 02:47, Ken Hamer wrote:
>   
>>  I suspect that what's happening is that the email client
>> on one or both of your machines has had its config changed by someone
>> and has started to delete email from the server immediately after
>> downloading instead of leaving it on the server long enough for the
>> other machine to download the same emails.
>>
>> Nathan Crosby wrote:
>>     
>>> Does anyone else using virgin.net have a mail problem?
>>> I receive different emails on my macbook than I do on my iMac.
>>> They used to be duplicated but not anymore.
>>> I know Virgin have been changing their mail systems.
>>> If I only check one computer I am missing some emails.
>>>
>>>       
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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From alan at asw6000.plus.com  Wed Oct  7 07:59:38 2009
From: alan at asw6000.plus.com (Alan Williams)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 07:59:38 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] new MAC
Message-ID: <29C2D779-FA3A-43CD-8864-43495A5843EB@asw6000.plus.com>

Good though my ibook is I am being seriously tempted by a new Macbook  
Pro . What is the best way of transferring my info across as I would  
like to keep the system as " clean " as possible. Also I remember the  
debate on Applecare warranties from Ebay  but how did it conclude ?  
Are they legal & proper.

Alan Williams
alan at asw6000.plus.com





From nathan.crosby at virgin.net  Wed Oct  7 07:59:43 2009
From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 07:59:43 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mail problems
In-Reply-To: <4ACBF83F.4060605@stackyard.org>
References: <E156508C-8549-4645-9CC1-74ADCFDEF33C@virgin.net>	<4ACAA1C0.2040504@stackyard.org>
	<8BEB11CB-0F69-45E2-A5A7-B52128EB157A@virgin.net>
	<4ACBF83F.4060605@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <87372142-8EF6-47EB-88A4-01C1C3AF5C4F@virgin.net>

  Yes Ken, box ticked. I have one account and one email address.
I checked the Virgin Webmail page and as far as I could see, all the  
mail was there.
But, for instance, your email appeared on my iMac but has not appeared
on my Macbook. I'll check with the Virgin help line.
Thanks for your input.

Nathan


On 7 Oct 2009, at 03:09, Ken Hamer wrote:

> Sorry this is such a late reply to this thread - long story.  If  
> both of
> your machines are set to leave the email on the server for long enough
> for the other one to download a copy, then it might just be a Virgin
> problem. I assume you ticked the tick box next to "Remove copy from
> server after retrieving a message:".  I presume also that you have  
> only
> one account and that there aren't actually two email addresses here.
> See what happens if you use the Virgin webmail page to read your  
> email.
>


From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net  Wed Oct  7 08:20:55 2009
From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 08:20:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mail problems
In-Reply-To: <4ACBF83F.4060605@stackyard.org>
References: <E156508C-8549-4645-9CC1-74ADCFDEF33C@virgin.net>	<4ACAA1C0.2040504@stackyard.org>
	<8BEB11CB-0F69-45E2-A5A7-B52128EB157A@virgin.net>
	<4ACBF83F.4060605@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <22F913BB-045B-4F5D-A33E-7299F051F31C@virgin.net>

Hope you don't mind me joining in - I have a similar problem!

But doesn't ticking the box  "remove copy from server after retrieving  
message"
mean that the next machine is unable to get a message already read by  
the previous machine?

However my receiving or not receiving message results seen  
inconsistent eg
I got your message this morning on all machines.

Ken Arnoldi

> ticked the tick box next to "Remove copy from
> server after retrieving a message:"


From macman at f2s.com  Wed Oct  7 08:35:55 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 08:35:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] new MAC
In-Reply-To: <29C2D779-FA3A-43CD-8864-43495A5843EB@asw6000.plus.com>
References: <29C2D779-FA3A-43CD-8864-43495A5843EB@asw6000.plus.com>
Message-ID: <188B2E74-A6D7-4E2E-A037-B5E0761D9509@f2s.com>

For me, Migration Assistant every time - brings in Programmes,  
Accounts, Settings, Preferences and Passwords seamlessly.


Robbie


On 7 Oct 2009, at 07:59, Alan Williams wrote:

Good though my ibook is I am being seriously tempted by a new Macbook
Pro . What is the best way of transferring my info across as I would
like to keep the system as " clean " as possible. Also I remember the
debate on Applecare warranties from Ebay  but how did it conclude ?
Are they legal & proper.

Alan Williams
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From alan at asw6000.plus.com  Wed Oct  7 08:51:25 2009
From: alan at asw6000.plus.com (Alan Williams)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 08:51:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] new MAC
In-Reply-To: <188B2E74-A6D7-4E2E-A037-B5E0761D9509@f2s.com>
References: <29C2D779-FA3A-43CD-8864-43495A5843EB@asw6000.plus.com>
	<188B2E74-A6D7-4E2E-A037-B5E0761D9509@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <23DFCBE1-6BB3-4861-873F-7F3A73ED6BD7@asw6000.plus.com>

Yes but wont this also bring any accumulated bugs problems etc
  with the ex system ?

On 7 Oct 2009, at 08:35, Robbie Murray wrote:

> For me, Migration Assistant every time - brings in Programmes,
> Accounts, Settings, Preferences and Passwords seamlessly.
>
>
> Robbie
>
>
>
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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>
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From macman at f2s.com  Wed Oct  7 09:04:35 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 09:04:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] new MAC
In-Reply-To: <23DFCBE1-6BB3-4861-873F-7F3A73ED6BD7@asw6000.plus.com>
References: <29C2D779-FA3A-43CD-8864-43495A5843EB@asw6000.plus.com>
	<188B2E74-A6D7-4E2E-A037-B5E0761D9509@f2s.com>
	<23DFCBE1-6BB3-4861-873F-7F3A73ED6BD7@asw6000.plus.com>
Message-ID: <3DA0740E-07CF-448B-82A7-A185DFA481DF@f2s.com>

It doesn't pull across any part of the actual system - just the  
personalisation and programmes and personal data, and applies them to  
the system in the new machine.


http://www.apple.com/pro/tips/migration.html


Robbie



On 7 Oct 2009, at 08:51, Alan Williams wrote:

Yes but wont this also bring any accumulated bugs problems etc
  with the ex system ?

On 7 Oct 2009, at 08:35, Robbie Murray wrote:

> For me, Migration Assistant every time - brings in Programmes,
> Accounts, Settings, Preferences and Passwords seamlessly.
>
>
> Robbie
>
>
>
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed Oct  7 09:13:01 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 09:13:01 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] new MAC
In-Reply-To: <29C2D779-FA3A-43CD-8864-43495A5843EB@asw6000.plus.com>
References: <29C2D779-FA3A-43CD-8864-43495A5843EB@asw6000.plus.com>
Message-ID: <55EBAFF9-1F83-4068-89F4-4A9C4871A769@durrant.co.uk>

I have bought Applecare on eBay for four systems now - two iMacs, a  
MacBook and a MacBook Pro.

In all cases, I chose sellers with good feedback for previous  
Applecare sales. The one problem I had was with someone selling a  
boxed Applecare package, where they'd made a mistake and it didn't  
include the code - and I got a swift refund.

For the sellers where I just got emailed the code, it has all worked  
fine. And at <?100 instead of ?279 for the MacBook Pro, well worth  
doing!

The only exception is if you're eligible for education discount. The  
education discount on Applecare is even better than your can get on  
eBay.

regards,

Paul

On 7 Oct 2009, at 07:59, Alan Williams wrote:
>  Also I remember the
> debate on Applecare warranties from Ebay  but how did it conclude ?
> Are they legal & proper.



From david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk  Wed Oct  7 09:17:02 2009
From: david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk (David Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 09:17:02 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mail problems
In-Reply-To: <E156508C-8549-4645-9CC1-74ADCFDEF33C@virgin.net>
References: <E156508C-8549-4645-9CC1-74ADCFDEF33C@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <F37FF235-9DFB-41AD-AFF3-01B24BD0E047@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>


On 5 Oct 2009, at 23:21, Nathan Crosby wrote:

> Does anyone else using virgin.net have a mail problem?
> I receive different emails on my macbook than I do on my iMac.
> They used to be duplicated but not anymore.
> I know Virgin have been changing their mail systems.
> If I only check one computer I am missing some emails.

Nathan (and other people with a similar setup),

The best thing to do if you check your email on multiple computers is  
to use IMAP instead of POP - that is what IMAP is for.

With IMAP you basically see the same email setup on whichever computer  
you look at, because all of your email is stored on the server.

I'm not sure if Virgin offer IMAP, I know NTL used to - worth asking  
them though.

-- 
David Reynolds
david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk






From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Oct  7 09:25:06 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 09:25:06 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 12" Alu vs 15" Ti
In-Reply-To: <BBD62161-4259-44DB-86E7-86EADEFB3D5B@durrant.co.uk>
References: <5A31B8FE-AE76-4F42-8A22-34133470493D@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<A1ACF3D6-57DE-4BF2-A629-FDE8CBABCA18@durrant.co.uk>
	<D07EA3DB-8FFE-4348-BD26-3B678B9EF6DC@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<BBD62161-4259-44DB-86E7-86EADEFB3D5B@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <E23155BC-4091-4909-B50B-7314B4E829E1@simonroyal.co.uk>

Paul

I think I would miss the large wide screen of the Ti.

I'm still awaiting the arrival of the 1Ghz Ti - so I will cobble a top  
notch Ti out of the two and keep the higher spec one.

I do like the Ti's.

Simon

On 6 Oct 2009, at 14:00, Paul Durrant wrote:

> The extra 128MB of Ram possible on the 12" PBG4 is insignificant, IMO.
>
> The faster memory bus might make a difference, but I think that the
> extra processor speed will more than make up for that, especially
> since the Ti has the 1MB level 3 DDR memory.
>
> Whatever difference there is in performance is going to be very small.
> Even if the 12" was marginally faster for your uses, I think the
> bigger screen would more than make up for it.
>
>
> Paul
>
> On 6 Oct 2009, at 10:48, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> Paul
>>
>> Would the extra video RAM and better video card out way the higher  
>> RAM
>> limit and faster system bus?
>>
>> Bear in mind my TiBook is my main Mac so it gets everything from
>> Photoshop and Illustrator work to audio and video processing.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> On 6 Oct 2009, at 10:27, Paul Durrant wrote:
>>
>>> The 1GHz Titanium Powerbook is clearly the better machine unless you
>>> need extreme portability.
>>>
>>> Having the Mobility Radeon 9000 video chip will make the display
>>> faster. Having Gigabit ethernet is a big plus for home networking.
>>> And
>>> the bigger screen! And the DVI out instead of VGA.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> On 6 Oct 2009, at 10:06, Simon Royal wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's comparison time again. I've got a 1Ghz TiBook coming (it
>>>> needs a
>>>> little work and a few donor parts from my Ti) and I might be in
>>>> with a
>>>> chance of a 12" Aluminium PowerBook and wondered how they compared
>>>> to
>>>> the Titanium.
>>>
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>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal
>> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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. Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)









From alan at asw6000.plus.com  Wed Oct  7 10:35:42 2009
From: alan at asw6000.plus.com (Alan Williams)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:35:42 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] new Mac
Message-ID: <7184295F-2635-4EB5-9B9A-AA83905152F0@asw6000.plus.com>

Thanks for that Robbie -I will try it. Going to Norwich tomorrow &  
will probably buy in John Lewis.Wish I got one in Boston recently they  
were ?800 for the Macbook Pro, about ?100 cheaper but I was worried  
about customs .
regards


Alan Williams
alan at asw6000.plus.com





From alan at asw6000.plus.com  Wed Oct  7 10:38:01 2009
From: alan at asw6000.plus.com (Alan Williams)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 10:38:01 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] new MAC
In-Reply-To: <55EBAFF9-1F83-4068-89F4-4A9C4871A769@durrant.co.uk>
References: <29C2D779-FA3A-43CD-8864-43495A5843EB@asw6000.plus.com>
	<55EBAFF9-1F83-4068-89F4-4A9C4871A769@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <D334A706-7876-4C13-BBFC-07738D8C73C2@asw6000.plus.com>

Thanks Paul @ that price its worth it .

regards

On 7 Oct 2009, at 09:13, Paul Durrant wrote:

>
> For the sellers where I just got emailed the code, it has all worked
> fine. And at <?100 instead of ?279 for the MacBook Pro, well worth
> doing!
>
>
>
> regards,
>
> Paul
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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From macman at f2s.com  Wed Oct  7 11:08:17 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 11:08:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] new Mac
In-Reply-To: <7184295F-2635-4EB5-9B9A-AA83905152F0@asw6000.plus.com>
References: <7184295F-2635-4EB5-9B9A-AA83905152F0@asw6000.plus.com>
Message-ID: <C70D19B4-011D-4762-82AE-E32736386C05@f2s.com>

Well, you will get a 2 year warranty!

Or there's that little place in Chapelfield .....?

Or PC World ....

Personally, I always buy refurb from Apple - worthwhile savings and  
have never had a problem.....


Robbie



On 7 Oct 2009, at 10:35, Alan Williams wrote:

Thanks for that Robbie -I will try it. Going to Norwich tomorrow &
will probably buy in John Lewis.Wish I got one in Boston recently they
were ?800 for the Macbook Pro, about ?100 cheaper but I was worried
about customs .
regards


Alan Williams
alan at asw6000.plus.com




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From alan at asw6000.plus.com  Wed Oct  7 12:43:24 2009
From: alan at asw6000.plus.com (Alan Williams)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:43:24 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] new Mac
In-Reply-To: <C70D19B4-011D-4762-82AE-E32736386C05@f2s.com>
References: <7184295F-2635-4EB5-9B9A-AA83905152F0@asw6000.plus.com>
	<C70D19B4-011D-4762-82AE-E32736386C05@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <D0A400CE-D0A1-40C3-969D-5622E092F817@asw6000.plus.com>

Yes I've been checking the refurbs but they dont seem to have the  
lower end Macbooks.

On 7 Oct 2009, at 11:08, Robbie Murray wrote:

> Well, you will get a 2 year warranty!
>
> Or there's that little place in Chapelfield .....?
>
> Or PC World ....
>
> Personally, I always buy refurb from Apple - worthwhile savings and
> have never had a problem.....
>
>
> Robbie
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From nathan.crosby at virgin.net  Wed Oct  7 12:43:30 2009
From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:43:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mail problems
In-Reply-To: <F37FF235-9DFB-41AD-AFF3-01B24BD0E047@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>
References: <E156508C-8549-4645-9CC1-74ADCFDEF33C@virgin.net>
	<F37FF235-9DFB-41AD-AFF3-01B24BD0E047@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>
Message-ID: <B26FF7B9-5D95-40F8-BD83-5E4CF23A791F@virgin.net>

Thanks David but this has only been happening since Virgin changed  
their system.

Nathan


On 7 Oct 2009, at 09:17, David Reynolds wrote:

>
> On 5 Oct 2009, at 23:21, Nathan Crosby wrote:
>
>> Does anyone else using virgin.net have a mail problem?
>> I receive different emails on my macbook than I do on my iMac.
>> They used to be duplicated but not anymore.
>> I know Virgin have been changing their mail systems.
>> If I only check one computer I am missing some emails.
>
> Nathan (and other people with a similar setup),
>
> The best thing to do if you check your email on multiple computers is
> to use IMAP instead of POP - that is what IMAP is for.
>
> With IMAP you basically see the same email setup on whichever computer
> you look at, because all of your email is stored on the server.
>
> I'm not sure if Virgin offer IMAP, I know NTL used to - worth asking
> them though.
>
> -- 
> David Reynolds
> david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk
>
>
>
>
>
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From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Wed Oct  7 12:46:13 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 07:46:13 -0400
Subject: [NMUG] Mail problems
In-Reply-To: <22F913BB-045B-4F5D-A33E-7299F051F31C@virgin.net>
References: <E156508C-8549-4645-9CC1-74ADCFDEF33C@virgin.net>	<4ACAA1C0.2040504@stackyard.org>	<8BEB11CB-0F69-45E2-A5A7-B52128EB157A@virgin.net>	<4ACBF83F.4060605@stackyard.org>
	<22F913BB-045B-4F5D-A33E-7299F051F31C@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <4ACC7F85.5090908@stackyard.org>

Yes, ticking the box allows you to select a delay time from the 
drop-down menu.  If you don't tick the box, your email will never be 
deleted from the server and eventually, you will overflow your quota.

Ken Arnoldi wrote:
> Hope you don't mind me joining in - I have a similar problem!
>
> But doesn't ticking the box  "remove copy from server after retrieving  
> message"
> mean that the next machine is unable to get a message already read by  
> the previous machine?
>
> However my receiving or not receiving message results seen  
> inconsistent eg
> I got your message this morning on all machines.
>
> Ken Arnoldi
>
>   
>> ticked the tick box next to "Remove copy from
>> server after retrieving a message:"
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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>   

From david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk  Wed Oct  7 12:49:33 2009
From: david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk (David Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:49:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mail problems
In-Reply-To: <B26FF7B9-5D95-40F8-BD83-5E4CF23A791F@virgin.net>
References: <E156508C-8549-4645-9CC1-74ADCFDEF33C@virgin.net>
	<F37FF235-9DFB-41AD-AFF3-01B24BD0E047@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>
	<B26FF7B9-5D95-40F8-BD83-5E4CF23A791F@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <11722514-132A-4FCB-AD0D-05AD41BF8405@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>


On 7 Oct 2009, at 12:43, nathan crosby wrote:

> Thanks David but this has only been happening since Virgin changed
> their system.

It's still worth considering - POP isn't really designed for what you  
are trying to do with it.

-- 
David Reynolds
david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk






From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Wed Oct  7 12:52:54 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 07:52:54 -0400
Subject: [NMUG] Mail problems
In-Reply-To: <87372142-8EF6-47EB-88A4-01C1C3AF5C4F@virgin.net>
References: <E156508C-8549-4645-9CC1-74ADCFDEF33C@virgin.net>	<4ACAA1C0.2040504@stackyard.org>	<8BEB11CB-0F69-45E2-A5A7-B52128EB157A@virgin.net>	<4ACBF83F.4060605@stackyard.org>
	<87372142-8EF6-47EB-88A4-01C1C3AF5C4F@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <4ACC8116.5030402@stackyard.org>

If an email message appears on one machine and not the other, log into 
the Virgin webmail page and see if the message is there.  If it is, it 
sounds like some sort of communication problem between your machine and 
Virgin.  If it isn't, it really sounds like the first machine is telling 
the server to delete immediately.

Nathan Crosby wrote:
>   Yes Ken, box ticked. I have one account and one email address.
> I checked the Virgin Webmail page and as far as I could see, all the  
> mail was there.
> But, for instance, your email appeared on my iMac but has not appeared
> on my Macbook. I'll check with the Virgin help line.
> Thanks for your input.
>
> Nathan
>
>
> On 7 Oct 2009, at 03:09, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
>   
>> Sorry this is such a late reply to this thread - long story.  If  
>> both of
>> your machines are set to leave the email on the server for long enough
>> for the other one to download a copy, then it might just be a Virgin
>> problem. I assume you ticked the tick box next to "Remove copy from
>> server after retrieving a message:".  I presume also that you have  
>> only
>> one account and that there aren't actually two email addresses here.
>> See what happens if you use the Virgin webmail page to read your  
>> email.
>>
>>     
>
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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed Oct  7 12:56:29 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 12:56:29 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] new Mac
In-Reply-To: <D0A400CE-D0A1-40C3-969D-5622E092F817@asw6000.plus.com>
References: <7184295F-2635-4EB5-9B9A-AA83905152F0@asw6000.plus.com>
	<C70D19B4-011D-4762-82AE-E32736386C05@f2s.com>
	<D0A400CE-D0A1-40C3-969D-5622E092F817@asw6000.plus.com>
Message-ID: <6FF5DF7E-1686-4585-B791-634E812AD659@durrant.co.uk>

Bear in mind that there have been several recent rumours to the effect  
that the low end MacBook is going to be updated with a new model  
within the next month.

It is only rumour, so might not happen. But the low end MacBook has  
been revised in October or early November in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006,  
2007, and 2008. (not 2005). Mostly in second half of October, once as  
late as 8th November. Given the way the weeks fall this year, I'd be  
surprised if we don't see an update on or before 3rd November.

See http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#MacBook for details.

regards,

Paul

On 7 Oct 2009, at 12:43, Alan Williams wrote:

> Yes I've been checking the refurbs but they dont seem to have the
> lower end Macbooks.
>
> On 7 Oct 2009, at 11:08, Robbie Murray wrote:
>
>> Well, you will get a 2 year warranty!
>>
>> Or there's that little place in Chapelfield .....?
>>
>> Or PC World ....
>>
>> Personally, I always buy refurb from Apple - worthwhile savings and
>> have never had a problem.....
>>
>>
>> Robbie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
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>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> Alan Williams
> alan at asw6000.plus.com
>
>
>
>
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From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Wed Oct  7 13:09:14 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 08:09:14 -0400
Subject: [NMUG] Mail problems
In-Reply-To: <11722514-132A-4FCB-AD0D-05AD41BF8405@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>
References: <E156508C-8549-4645-9CC1-74ADCFDEF33C@virgin.net>	<F37FF235-9DFB-41AD-AFF3-01B24BD0E047@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>	<B26FF7B9-5D95-40F8-BD83-5E4CF23A791F@virgin.net>
	<11722514-132A-4FCB-AD0D-05AD41BF8405@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>
Message-ID: <4ACC84EA.1080600@stackyard.org>

I've not really had an issue with POP3 when using multiple machines.  
The ability to delete messages later SHOULD work fine if your email 
provider isn't playing silly wotsits.  I've got 6 accounts with 2 
services and they all work fine on multiple machines with delayed 
message delete.

The other thing people who have ISPs with unreliable email can do is to 
open an email account with someone like MobileMe (yes, ok there's a 
charge), GoogleMail or Yahoo (both free).  The last two, despite being 
free, allow the setup of  POP download and I believe Google allows IMAP 
as well. The other advantage is that you can change your ISP when you 
get fed up with it and don't have to change your email address.

Ken

David Reynolds wrote:
> On 7 Oct 2009, at 12:43, nathan crosby wrote:
>
>   
>> Thanks David but this has only been happening since Virgin changed
>> their system.
>>     
>
> It's still worth considering - POP isn't really designed for what you  
> are trying to do with it.
>
>   

From macman at f2s.com  Wed Oct  7 13:31:33 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:31:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] new Mac
In-Reply-To: <D0A400CE-D0A1-40C3-969D-5622E092F817@asw6000.plus.com>
References: <7184295F-2635-4EB5-9B9A-AA83905152F0@asw6000.plus.com>
	<C70D19B4-011D-4762-82AE-E32736386C05@f2s.com>
	<D0A400CE-D0A1-40C3-969D-5622E092F817@asw6000.plus.com>
Message-ID: <9D4D1331-B44B-448A-B754-8EA7FDC7CB0E@f2s.com>

It's a waiting game, as the stock can change daily, but worth it if  
you're not desperate.


Robbie

On 7 Oct 2009, at 12:43, Alan Williams wrote:

Yes I've been checking the refurbs but they dont seem to have the
lower end Macbooks.

On 7 Oct 2009, at 11:08, Robbie Murray wrote:

> Well, you will get a 2 year warranty!
>
> Or there's that little place in Chapelfield .....?
>
> Or PC World ....
>
> Personally, I always buy refurb from Apple - worthwhile savings and
> have never had a problem.....
>
>
> Robbie
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From alan at asw6000.plus.com  Wed Oct  7 13:38:13 2009
From: alan at asw6000.plus.com (Alan Williams)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:38:13 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] new Mac
In-Reply-To: <9D4D1331-B44B-448A-B754-8EA7FDC7CB0E@f2s.com>
References: <7184295F-2635-4EB5-9B9A-AA83905152F0@asw6000.plus.com>
	<C70D19B4-011D-4762-82AE-E32736386C05@f2s.com>
	<D0A400CE-D0A1-40C3-969D-5622E092F817@asw6000.plus.com>
	<9D4D1331-B44B-448A-B754-8EA7FDC7CB0E@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <E01D2A18-B514-4907-A6FC-942A284BB4C7@asw6000.plus.com>

I am desperate , I also hear what Paul says about  revised models & I  
dont care .

regards

On 7 Oct 2009, at 13:31, Robbie Murray wrote:

> It's a waiting game, as the stock can change daily, but worth it if
> you're not desperate.
>
>
> Robbie
>
>>
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> Alan Williams
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From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Wed Oct  7 14:38:13 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 14:38:13 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] new MAC
In-Reply-To: <55EBAFF9-1F83-4068-89F4-4A9C4871A769@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C6F25855.300F3%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

I bought iMac applecare from an eBay seller with a 99% record and 5 figure
sales record.
The number I applied worked - but then (curiously after posting here) was
queried by Apple who wanted proof of purchase. (Not an ebay receipt but the
original applecare receipt. Alternatively the serial number from the box).

I emailed the seller through eBay messaging and was told that yes they had
had problems and this meant a new number was being allocated - which I then
received.
The online registration cannot be re enetered though and Apple will not
reset the applecare status. I waited a month or more as the Apple email
originally said it would be rendered void if not supported by meeting
demands - and I thought this would 'reset the system' and allow me to enter
the new number.
But what actually occurred is that the status remains 'pending verification'
and the eBay seller has been deleted from eBay records entirely. EBay
themselves will have nothing to do with it and will not even comment - as it
is beyond the period within which they set in their terms.

Now it just maybe that I bought from a hacked eBay account. But I have no
way of proceeding that I can justify in terms of time and money - so it is
money lost. (Though the second number I was sent may well be completely
kosher)

I feel that the same seller is simply operating under a new name - as the
items are described and sold in the same way.

So I would add from my experience that you either want the boxed product or
the serial as well as the reg no.

If anyone with a new iMac wants to try the newer number I was given - I cant
use it.

I haven't any way of communicating with the seller as all communication was
via the eBay messaging.

The numbers clearly show that many many thousands of applecares are
successfully bought and used via these sellers. And I have had four previous
instances identical but which did not lead to any issue at all.

I'll probably end up buying one somewhere - but I got a bit fed up with the
whole thing and put it to one side for a while.

Legally Apple could at any time ask for the supporting evidence for an
applecare reg but they generally dont.

Jon of PC World-Apple warned me off of buying applecare from eBay as they
might be stolen. 
I suspect that was the case or else why would Apple have queried it.
Jon also warned me off of buying from John Lewis as their warranty system
was entirely separate from Apple's and couldn't be extended with Applecare.
The latter is simply not true and he must have been misinformed.

In future I will need confirmation that an applecare purchase will provide
more than just the reg no.

all the best
Brian




Paul Durrant said recently:

> I have bought Applecare on eBay for four systems now - two iMacs, a
> MacBook and a MacBook Pro.
> 
> In all cases, I chose sellers with good feedback for previous
> Applecare sales. The one problem I had was with someone selling a
> boxed Applecare package, where they'd made a mistake and it didn't
> include the code - and I got a swift refund.
> 
> For the sellers where I just got emailed the code, it has all worked
> fine. And at <?100 instead of ?279 for the MacBook Pro, well worth
> doing!
> 
> The only exception is if you're eligible for education discount. The
> education discount on Applecare is even better than your can get on
> eBay.
> 
> regards,
> 
> Paul
> 
> On 7 Oct 2009, at 07:59, Alan Williams wrote:
>>  Also I remember the
>> debate on Applecare warranties from Ebay  but how did it conclude ?
>> Are they legal & proper.
> 
> 
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From richardivers at mac.com  Wed Oct  7 15:11:21 2009
From: richardivers at mac.com (Richard Ivers)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 15:11:21 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhoto Workshop
Message-ID: <DE3DC99D-0293-4811-8D57-4A6099CBF25E@mac.com>

Richard, unfortunately I am now unable to attend the iPhoto workshop  
on Sat, I have been asked to look after my twin granddaughters who are  
nearly 12 yrs. Would it be possible to take them along, I know space  
might be a problem. They are Mac users
Regards
Richard


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed Oct  7 15:17:04 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:17:04 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] [OT] Google and Barcodes
Message-ID: <32521837-62FB-4CB5-8C06-E0A4B54FE71B@durrant.co.uk>

Today is the 57th anniversary of the issuing of the first patent for  
barcodes.

Google's icon has changed to a bar code.

I happen to have a USB barcode scanner. Printing out the Google home  
page and scanning it with the scanner does indeed produce "Google".

Nice to see that Google pays attention to the technical details.

Paul

(Yes, completely off-topic. Well, except that my barcode scanner works  
very nicely with my Mac!)

From ricnev at mac.com  Wed Oct  7 18:01:49 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 18:01:49 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhoto Workshop
In-Reply-To: <DE3DC99D-0293-4811-8D57-4A6099CBF25E@mac.com>
References: <DE3DC99D-0293-4811-8D57-4A6099CBF25E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <D3450DD0-119E-4866-B898-74899359BF6C@mac.com>

I'm pretty certain we'd all want the club to be open to every Mac user  
- no age or other discrimination here!

Space shouldn't be a problem on Saturday - I expect comfortable  
numbers unless we get a late rush.

On 7 Oct 2009, at 15:11, Richard Ivers wrote:

> Richard, unfortunately I am now unable to attend the iPhoto workshop
> on Sat, I have been asked to look after my twin granddaughters who are
> nearly 12 yrs. Would it be possible to take them along, I know space
> might be a problem. They are Mac users
> Regards
> Richard



Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com




From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com  Wed Oct  7 20:07:46 2009
From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 20:07:46 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] FileFault
Message-ID: <91737488-6004-4800-8DE9-A80EF525370E@ntlworld.com>

Hi,
just wondered if anyone is using FileFault on their Mac,  and if you  
switch it on can you switch it off if you change your mind.

Kerin


From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Wed Oct  7 20:11:44 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 20:11:44 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] FileFault
In-Reply-To: <91737488-6004-4800-8DE9-A80EF525370E@ntlworld.com>
References: <91737488-6004-4800-8DE9-A80EF525370E@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <CB22DDA6-2959-4E42-A81B-9DC0DDCA963D@gmail.com>


Did you mean: FileVault


On 7 Oct 2009, at 20:07, Kerin Westgate wrote:

> Hi,
> just wondered if anyone is using FileFault on their Mac,  and if you
> switch it on can you switch it off if you change your mind.
>
> Kerin
>
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From ricnev at mac.com  Wed Oct  7 20:14:23 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 20:14:23 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] [OT] Google and Barcodes
In-Reply-To: <32521837-62FB-4CB5-8C06-E0A4B54FE71B@durrant.co.uk>
References: <32521837-62FB-4CB5-8C06-E0A4B54FE71B@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8C344B8A-8475-4CC8-861D-F4141BDABC6C@mac.com>


On 7 Oct 2009, at 15:17, Paul Durrant wrote:

> Today is the 57th anniversary of the issuing of the first patent for
> barcodes.

For Baked Beans cans?

>
> Google's icon has changed to a bar code.
>
> I happen to have a USB barcode scanner. Printing out the Google home
> page and scanning it with the scanner does indeed produce "Google".
>
> Nice to see that Google pays attention to the technical details.
>
> Paul
>
> (Yes, completely off-topic. Well, except that my barcode scanner works
> very nicely with my Mac!)



As does Google!

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com




From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com  Wed Oct  7 20:14:04 2009
From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 20:14:04 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] FileFault
In-Reply-To: <CB22DDA6-2959-4E42-A81B-9DC0DDCA963D@gmail.com>
References: <91737488-6004-4800-8DE9-A80EF525370E@ntlworld.com>
	<CB22DDA6-2959-4E42-A81B-9DC0DDCA963D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A3032C04-9FD4-4790-BCA4-5152EFD6B85C@ntlworld.com>

Prat yes I did     'FileVault'


On 7 Oct 2009, at 20:11, Steve Batch wrote:

>
> Did you mean: FileVault
>
>
> On 7 Oct 2009, at 20:07, Kerin Westgate wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> just wondered if anyone is using FileFault on their Mac,  and if you
>> switch it on can you switch it off if you change your mind.
>>
>> Kerin
>>
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Oct  7 22:55:07 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 22:55:07 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Web Domination
Message-ID: <37386A9B-3912-4F54-89C1-59D954A4E911@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

I am on a mission to have a greater web presence, by having a page on  
all the latest and greatest social sites (FaceBook, Twitter, MySpace,  
Bebo) all pointing back to my website.

I just Googled my own name - yes I know how sad and self obsessed that  
sounds - but I was pleasantly surprised and the results were better  
than they were six months ago.

1. My website.
2. My blog.
3. My LowEndMac column.
4. Not me.
5. Not me.
6. My Twitter page.
7. Not me.
8. A mention to my site from a fellow computer enthusiast.

I thought that was pretty good going, but it is not enough. What else  
can I do to achieve web domination, without having to pay for it  
obviously?

Simon Royal
---
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. Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)









From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Wed Oct  7 23:07:40 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 23:07:40 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Web Domination
In-Reply-To: <37386A9B-3912-4F54-89C1-59D954A4E911@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <37386A9B-3912-4F54-89C1-59D954A4E911@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1EEF4F42-C55C-4203-B0C9-4B54BCDC5F85@gmail.com>


You have got to be joking, I've been on a mission to remove my web  
presence, I don't wan't people collecting my personal details from the  
web, you might think I am being paranoid but I ran an example for  
someone a few weeks back, all I knew about her to begin with was her  
online nickname/handle and what country she was from using this I was  
able to run various searches and eventually had her name, photos of  
her, age, current email, where she worked, working hours, mobile phone  
number, names of her friends/co workers, where she went to school, map/ 
satellite image of her home.

Steve.


On 7 Oct 2009, at 22:55, Simon Royal wrote:

> I am on a mission to have a greater web presence


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Oct  7 23:17:13 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 23:17:13 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Web Domination
In-Reply-To: <1EEF4F42-C55C-4203-B0C9-4B54BCDC5F85@gmail.com>
References: <37386A9B-3912-4F54-89C1-59D954A4E911@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<1EEF4F42-C55C-4203-B0C9-4B54BCDC5F85@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <36FE6DB0-36B2-4B58-BBF1-1D040267E474@simonroyal.co.uk>

Steve

I am trying every avenue to get further up the online ladder. I am  
doing pretty well so far.

I take the attitude, it is going to be pretty hard to fight having  
your details online so why do it. Grab it with both hands, embrace it,  
run with it, use it your advantage.

I even tried to write my own Wikipedia page, but you are not allowed  
auto-biographical pages. It got pulled off within minutes.

As you can tell I am a little self obsessed.

Simon

On 7 Oct 2009, at 23:07, Steve Batch wrote:

>
> You have got to be joking, I've been on a mission to remove my web
> presence, I don't wan't people collecting my personal details from the
> web, you might think I am being paranoid but I ran an example for
> someone a few weeks back, all I knew about her to begin with was her
> online nickname/handle and what country she was from using this I was
> able to run various searches and eventually had her name, photos of
> her, age, current email, where she worked, working hours, mobile phone
> number, names of her friends/co workers, where she went to school,  
> map/
> satellite image of her home.
>
> Steve.
>
>
> On 7 Oct 2009, at 22:55, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> I am on a mission to have a greater web presence
>
> _______________________________________________
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. Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)









From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Wed Oct  7 23:25:11 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 23:25:11 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Web Domination
In-Reply-To: <36FE6DB0-36B2-4B58-BBF1-1D040267E474@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <37386A9B-3912-4F54-89C1-59D954A4E911@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<1EEF4F42-C55C-4203-B0C9-4B54BCDC5F85@gmail.com>
	<36FE6DB0-36B2-4B58-BBF1-1D040267E474@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <83D3C279-4297-4825-BE43-ADD68668C7C8@gmail.com>


The way I understand it is that the more sites that link back to your  
sites the higher google will rate your site in it's searches, so  
having good content that people will want to link to is the key.

Steve.


On 7 Oct 2009, at 23:17, Simon Royal wrote:

> I am trying every avenue to get further up the online ladder.


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Oct  7 23:33:41 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 23:33:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Web Domination
In-Reply-To: <83D3C279-4297-4825-BE43-ADD68668C7C8@gmail.com>
References: <37386A9B-3912-4F54-89C1-59D954A4E911@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<1EEF4F42-C55C-4203-B0C9-4B54BCDC5F85@gmail.com>
	<36FE6DB0-36B2-4B58-BBF1-1D040267E474@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<83D3C279-4297-4825-BE43-ADD68668C7C8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6A981795-766F-48D9-85C3-E8758EABC914@simonroyal.co.uk>

Steve

The content is there and ever growing.

Simon

On 7 Oct 2009, at 23:25, Steve Batch wrote:

>
> The way I understand it is that the more sites that link back to your
> sites the higher google will rate your site in it's searches, so
> having good content that people will want to link to is the key.
>
> Steve.
>
>
> On 7 Oct 2009, at 23:17, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> I am trying every avenue to get further up the online ladder.
>
> _______________________________________________
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From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Wed Oct  7 23:43:26 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 23:43:26 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Web Domination
In-Reply-To: <6A981795-766F-48D9-85C3-E8758EABC914@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <37386A9B-3912-4F54-89C1-59D954A4E911@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<1EEF4F42-C55C-4203-B0C9-4B54BCDC5F85@gmail.com>
	<36FE6DB0-36B2-4B58-BBF1-1D040267E474@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<83D3C279-4297-4825-BE43-ADD68668C7C8@gmail.com>
	<6A981795-766F-48D9-85C3-E8758EABC914@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BE9C968F-7215-49D8-9216-3836E4CF0A6B@gmail.com>

Have you tried vlogging on youtube?


On 7 Oct 2009, at 23:33, Simon Royal wrote:

> The content is there and ever growing.


From kelvinyoungs at mac.com  Wed Oct  7 23:52:42 2009
From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2009 23:52:42 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Web Domination
In-Reply-To: <83D3C279-4297-4825-BE43-ADD68668C7C8@gmail.com>
References: <37386A9B-3912-4F54-89C1-59D954A4E911@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<1EEF4F42-C55C-4203-B0C9-4B54BCDC5F85@gmail.com>
	<36FE6DB0-36B2-4B58-BBF1-1D040267E474@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<83D3C279-4297-4825-BE43-ADD68668C7C8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8DD08ADF-937F-4377-A127-7337C04A053D@mac.com>

I think that you are absolutely spot on Steve.

These links from other websites are the key and that you should  
contact others ? if you have a good website others will want to link  
to you ? and you them.
Use google analytics or another site stat counter and that will prove  
the point.

Kelvin

On 7 Oct 2009, at 23:25, Steve Batch wrote:

>
> The way I understand it is that the more sites that link back to your
> sites the higher google will rate your site in it's searches, so
> having good content that people will want to link to is the key.
>
> Steve.


From macman at f2s.com  Thu Oct  8 00:20:01 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 00:20:01 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Web Domination
In-Reply-To: <1EEF4F42-C55C-4203-B0C9-4B54BCDC5F85@gmail.com>
References: <37386A9B-3912-4F54-89C1-59D954A4E911@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<1EEF4F42-C55C-4203-B0C9-4B54BCDC5F85@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C1F2129F-5E64-4EB7-B6C3-6AB9BD5AF5E0@f2s.com>

I'd like to know how 'lovelyjuicyladyseekingfun' and other similar  
would-be contacts all got a hold of my Skype name at the same time and  
wanted to be my friend!

Robbie


On 7 Oct 2009, at 23:07, Steve Batch wrote:


You have got to be joking, I've been on a mission to remove my web
presence, I don't wan't people collecting my personal details from the
web, you might think I am being paranoid but I ran an example for
someone a few weeks back, all I knew about her to begin with was her
online nickname/handle and what country she was from using this I was
able to run various searches and eventually had her name, photos of
her, age, current email, where she worked, working hours, mobile phone
number, names of her friends/co workers, where she went to school, map/
satellite image of her home.

Steve.


On 7 Oct 2009, at 22:55, Simon Royal wrote:

> I am on a mission to have a greater web presence


From richardivers at mac.com  Thu Oct  8 08:23:06 2009
From: richardivers at mac.com (Richard Ivers)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 08:23:06 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] FileFault
In-Reply-To: <A3032C04-9FD4-4790-BCA4-5152EFD6B85C@ntlworld.com>
References: <91737488-6004-4800-8DE9-A80EF525370E@ntlworld.com>
	<CB22DDA6-2959-4E42-A81B-9DC0DDCA963D@gmail.com>
	<A3032C04-9FD4-4790-BCA4-5152EFD6B85C@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <84C77AF2-5920-4B4F-835F-AE7737188899@mac.com>

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=Mac/10.4/en/mh1908.html

Go to the above address

Regards
Richard


On 7 Oct 2009, at 20:14, Kerin Westgate wrote:

>>
>>> Hi,
>>> just wondered if anyone is using FileFault on their Mac,  and if you
>>> switch it on can you switch it off if you change your mind.
>>>
>>> Kerin
>>>
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Oct  8 09:06:55 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 09:06:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Web Domination
In-Reply-To: <8DD08ADF-937F-4377-A127-7337C04A053D@mac.com>
References: <37386A9B-3912-4F54-89C1-59D954A4E911@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<1EEF4F42-C55C-4203-B0C9-4B54BCDC5F85@gmail.com>
	<36FE6DB0-36B2-4B58-BBF1-1D040267E474@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<83D3C279-4297-4825-BE43-ADD68668C7C8@gmail.com>
	<8DD08ADF-937F-4377-A127-7337C04A053D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <DACE3E4A-D657-4B1C-9D6C-20A050CB9F54@simonroyal.co.uk>

Kelvin

I am gaining links from other sites. I've been around all the Mac  
sites and offered link swapping and it seems to be working.

I have used Google Analytics for about two years and I had a drop in  
traffic about a year ago, but it has steadily inclined over the last  
few months to an all time high. I am sure this is due to my LowEndMac  
column and new content on my site, plus the redesign and links from  
other sites.

Maybe I am just being greedy, but I want better and more traffic,  
better and more web presence.

I am going to see if I can write for other websites and not just Mac  
related ones, as my LEM column has done me wonders, as it always  
offers a link back to my site.

Simon

On 7 Oct 2009, at 23:52, Kelvin Youngs wrote:

> I think that you are absolutely spot on Steve.
>
> These links from other websites are the key and that you should
> contact others ? if you have a good website others will want to link
> to you ? and you them.
> Use google analytics or another site stat counter and that will prove
> the point.
>
> Kelvin
>
> On 7 Oct 2009, at 23:25, Steve Batch wrote:
>
>>
>> The way I understand it is that the more sites that link back to your
>> sites the higher google will rate your site in it's searches, so
>> having good content that people will want to link to is the key.
>>
>> Steve.
>
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From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Thu Oct  8 09:16:49 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2009 09:16:49 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] FileFault
In-Reply-To: <84C77AF2-5920-4B4F-835F-AE7737188899@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C6F35E81.30157%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

It converts your whole user folder into and encrypted disk image. This is to
put all your eggs into one basket.
I would reckon generally that it would be better to use custom encrypted
sparse disk image or images only for the data that you feel is sensitive.
Unless almost all the data is confidential at a level that demands higher
protection. But then you really need a considered rotating back up also.

Disk image files can become corrupted.

hope this helps

regards
Brian


Richard Ivers said recently:

>>>> just wondered if anyone is using FileFault on their Mac,  and if you
>>>> switch it on can you switch it off if you change your mind.



From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Thu Oct  8 11:39:45 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 11:39:45 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Web Domination
In-Reply-To: <C1F2129F-5E64-4EB7-B6C3-6AB9BD5AF5E0@f2s.com>
References: <37386A9B-3912-4F54-89C1-59D954A4E911@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<1EEF4F42-C55C-4203-B0C9-4B54BCDC5F85@gmail.com>
	<C1F2129F-5E64-4EB7-B6C3-6AB9BD5AF5E0@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <FDAFEFF6-489C-42A3-909F-51F9956A4A4C@virgin.net>


>
> HEY !

You leave my friend  'lovelyjuicyladyseekingfun' out of this  
conversation!

martin


From nathan.crosby at virgin.net  Thu Oct  8 12:57:11 2009
From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 12:57:11 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Web Domination
In-Reply-To: <FDAFEFF6-489C-42A3-909F-51F9956A4A4C@virgin.net>
References: <37386A9B-3912-4F54-89C1-59D954A4E911@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<1EEF4F42-C55C-4203-B0C9-4B54BCDC5F85@gmail.com>
	<C1F2129F-5E64-4EB7-B6C3-6AB9BD5AF5E0@f2s.com>
	<FDAFEFF6-489C-42A3-909F-51F9956A4A4C@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <7BE3E5CF-F72B-46B6-ACFF-484E5536441D@virgin.net>

She told me I was the only one!

Nathan


On 8 Oct 2009, at 11:39, Martin Fry wrote:

>
>>
>> HEY !
>
> You leave my friend  'lovelyjuicyladyseekingfun' out of this
> conversation!
>
> martin
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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From macman at f2s.com  Thu Oct  8 13:05:44 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 13:05:44 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Web Domination
In-Reply-To: <7BE3E5CF-F72B-46B6-ACFF-484E5536441D@virgin.net>
References: <37386A9B-3912-4F54-89C1-59D954A4E911@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<1EEF4F42-C55C-4203-B0C9-4B54BCDC5F85@gmail.com>
	<C1F2129F-5E64-4EB7-B6C3-6AB9BD5AF5E0@f2s.com>
	<FDAFEFF6-489C-42A3-909F-51F9956A4A4C@virgin.net>
	<7BE3E5CF-F72B-46B6-ACFF-484E5536441D@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <E5120D0C-C8D0-4B66-9010-873C00672DE3@f2s.com>

Well if you're both looking after her, I'll withdraw ....

....  or would "end the relationship" be more appropriate?

:-)


Robbie



On 8 Oct 2009, at 12:57, nathan crosby wrote:

She told me I was the only one!

Nathan


On 8 Oct 2009, at 11:39, Martin Fry wrote:

>
>>
>> HEY !
>
> You leave my friend  'lovelyjuicyladyseekingfun' out of this
> conversation!
>
> martin
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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From h.tamplin at btinternet.com  Thu Oct  8 14:01:13 2009
From: h.tamplin at btinternet.com (Heather Tamplin)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:01:13 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Web Domination
In-Reply-To: <E5120D0C-C8D0-4B66-9010-873C00672DE3@f2s.com>
References: <37386A9B-3912-4F54-89C1-59D954A4E911@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<1EEF4F42-C55C-4203-B0C9-4B54BCDC5F85@gmail.com>
	<C1F2129F-5E64-4EB7-B6C3-6AB9BD5AF5E0@f2s.com>
	<FDAFEFF6-489C-42A3-909F-51F9956A4A4C@virgin.net>
	<7BE3E5CF-F72B-46B6-ACFF-484E5536441D@virgin.net>
	<E5120D0C-C8D0-4B66-9010-873C00672DE3@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <336B74FE-EA4B-4E13-A9DE-2BED024F9D91@btinternet.com>

I have something you boys need to know - she also writes to me .......



Heather


On 8 Oct 2009, at 13:05, Robbie Murray wrote:

> Well if you're both looking after her, I'll withdraw ....
>
> ....  or would "end the relationship" be more appropriate?
>
> :-)
>
>
> Robbie
>
>
>
> On 8 Oct 2009, at 12:57, nathan crosby wrote:
>
> She told me I was the only one!
>
> Nathan
>
>
> On 8 Oct 2009, at 11:39, Martin Fry wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>> HEY !
>>
>> You leave my friend  'lovelyjuicyladyseekingfun' out of this
>> conversation!
>>
>> martin
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ 
>> listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
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"Art is the only way to run away without leaving home."
Twyla Tharp





From alan at asw6000.plus.com  Thu Oct  8 14:39:02 2009
From: alan at asw6000.plus.com (Alan Williams)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 14:39:02 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] new Mac
Message-ID: <D7D23811-1939-48E6-AE02-7D9F53A0C079@asw6000.plus.com>

Just got back from Norwich with my gleaming new Macbook Pro , well I  
think its gleaming its still in the box. I bought in John Lewis but  
was surprised that ALL their Macs come with Leopard & that they wanted  
?25 for the Snow Leopard disc. A gentle push & mention of Chapelfield  
& they caved in & gave me the disc for free however.
Now wheres the scissors & what did Robbie say about migration  
assistant .....


Alan Williams
alan at asw6000.plus.com





From nathan.crosby at virgin.net  Thu Oct  8 15:01:28 2009
From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 15:01:28 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Web Domination
In-Reply-To: <336B74FE-EA4B-4E13-A9DE-2BED024F9D91@btinternet.com>
References: <37386A9B-3912-4F54-89C1-59D954A4E911@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<1EEF4F42-C55C-4203-B0C9-4B54BCDC5F85@gmail.com>
	<C1F2129F-5E64-4EB7-B6C3-6AB9BD5AF5E0@f2s.com>
	<FDAFEFF6-489C-42A3-909F-51F9956A4A4C@virgin.net>
	<7BE3E5CF-F72B-46B6-ACFF-484E5536441D@virgin.net>
	<E5120D0C-C8D0-4B66-9010-873C00672DE3@f2s.com>
	<336B74FE-EA4B-4E13-A9DE-2BED024F9D91@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <95428317-9E75-46F3-BEEF-48A5753591CF@virgin.net>

Oh no. Not a PC user!

Nathan



On 8 Oct 2009, at 14:01, Heather Tamplin wrote:

> I have something you boys need to know - she also writes to me .......
>
>
>
> Heather
>
>
> On 8 Oct 2009, at 13:05, Robbie Murray wrote:
>
>> Well if you're both looking after her, I'll withdraw ....
>>
>> ....  or would "end the relationship" be more appropriate?
>>
>> :-)
>>
>>
>> Robbie
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8 Oct 2009, at 12:57, nathan crosby wrote:
>>
>> She told me I was the only one!
>>
>> Nathan
>>
>>
>> On 8 Oct 2009, at 11:39, Martin Fry wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> HEY !
>>>
>>> You leave my friend  'lovelyjuicyladyseekingfun' out of this
>>> conversation!
>>>
>>> martin
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/
>>> listinfo/nmug
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
> Heather Tamplin
>
> www.heathertamplin.co.uk
>
> "Art is the only way to run away without leaving home."
> Twyla Tharp
>
>
>
>
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From macman at f2s.com  Thu Oct  8 16:57:35 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:57:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Web Domination
In-Reply-To: <336B74FE-EA4B-4E13-A9DE-2BED024F9D91@btinternet.com>
References: <37386A9B-3912-4F54-89C1-59D954A4E911@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<1EEF4F42-C55C-4203-B0C9-4B54BCDC5F85@gmail.com>
	<C1F2129F-5E64-4EB7-B6C3-6AB9BD5AF5E0@f2s.com>
	<FDAFEFF6-489C-42A3-909F-51F9956A4A4C@virgin.net>
	<7BE3E5CF-F72B-46B6-ACFF-484E5536441D@virgin.net>
	<E5120D0C-C8D0-4B66-9010-873C00672DE3@f2s.com>
	<336B74FE-EA4B-4E13-A9DE-2BED024F9D91@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <9A9DCF87-7AA8-4133-B490-A4D0F1EBBE19@f2s.com>

Obviously enjoys a bit of variety!


Robbie



On 8 Oct 2009, at 14:01, Heather Tamplin wrote:

I have something you boys need to know - she also writes to me .......



Heather


On 8 Oct 2009, at 13:05, Robbie Murray wrote:

> Well if you're both looking after her, I'll withdraw ....
>
> ....  or would "end the relationship" be more appropriate?
>
> :-)
>
>
> Robbie
>
>
>
> On 8 Oct 2009, at 12:57, nathan crosby wrote:
>
> She told me I was the only one!
>
> Nathan
>
>
> On 8 Oct 2009, at 11:39, Martin Fry wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>> HEY !
>>
>> You leave my friend  'lovelyjuicyladyseekingfun' out of this
>> conversation!
>>
>> martin
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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>> listinfo/nmug
>
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From alan at asw6000.plus.com  Thu Oct  8 18:55:42 2009
From: alan at asw6000.plus.com (Alan Williams)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:55:42 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] new Mac
Message-ID: <36DD0331-1B2D-4BCD-BBD7-A6C523E73494@asw6000.plus.com>

Further to my prev email it would appear that John Lewis were talking  
rubbish - my MBP is already running 10.6 which I am sure is Snow  
Leopard so the extra boxed disc they have given me is superfluous .  
Glad I never paid the ?25 they wanted.

Alan Williams
alan at asw6000.plus.com





From jinshinjewels at googlemail.com  Fri Oct  9 08:32:34 2009
From: jinshinjewels at googlemail.com (Jules Slaughter)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:32:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Saturday
Message-ID: <adb0e98a0910090032o5704765ftc771d2b08c8358a@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Richard

I'm going to have to miss tomorrow's session much to my regret.  I'm
going on hols on Monday and am beginning to lag behind with all I need
to do before hand.  Sorry but hope to see you at the next one.

Kind regards
-- 
Jules

From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Oct  9 10:29:37 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri,  9 Oct 2009 10:29:37 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Google Car Spotted
Message-ID: <b0gTj39HZzQ4.JwVGKngj@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi. Just travelling along the Watton Road (B1108) towards Watton and the Google camera car drove past the other way.

Simon

 --- visit http://www.simonroyal.co.uk (sent using Nokia E65)


From sc at davidviner.com  Fri Oct  9 10:32:52 2009
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 10:32:52 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Google Car Spotted
In-Reply-To: <b0gTj39HZzQ4.JwVGKngj@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <b0gTj39HZzQ4.JwVGKngj@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4ACF0344.8080205@davidviner.com>

Well, you wanted a higher web profile - what better than appearing on 
Google Street View ;-)

Simon Royal wrote:
> Hi. Just travelling along the Watton Road (B1108) towards Watton and the Google camera car drove past the other way.
>
> Simon
>
>  --- visit http://www.simonroyal.co.uk (sent using Nokia E65)
>
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>   

From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Oct  9 11:12:52 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 11:12:52 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Google Car Spotted
In-Reply-To: <4ACF0344.8080205@davidviner.com>
References: <b0gTj39HZzQ4.JwVGKngj@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4ACF0344.8080205@davidviner.com>
Message-ID: <AA0DBCC6-3894-42BC-B9AC-DB40621CBE35@simonroyal.co.uk>

David

Just wish I was at my house when it snapped a pic and I would have  
stood outside with a massive banner with my web address on it.

:)

Simon

On 9 Oct 2009, at 10:32, David Viner wrote:

> Well, you wanted a higher web profile - what better than appearing on
> Google Street View ;-)
>
> Simon Royal wrote:
>> Hi. Just travelling along the Watton Road (B1108) towards Watton  
>> and the Google camera car drove past the other way.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> --- visit http://www.simonroyal.co.uk (sent using Nokia E65)
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com  Fri Oct  9 18:37:12 2009
From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 18:37:12 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Word
Message-ID: <55D73F66-4C3E-4D69-908E-41536554D4C7@ntlworld.com>

Hi, just wondered who use which Office set ie Apple's iWork, M/S  
Office or Open Office etc on there Mac and why?

Kerin

From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk  Fri Oct  9 18:45:48 2009
From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 18:45:48 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Word
In-Reply-To: <55D73F66-4C3E-4D69-908E-41536554D4C7@ntlworld.com>
References: <55D73F66-4C3E-4D69-908E-41536554D4C7@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <486BFB1C-E875-472A-8EC5-1A63E36421FE@freeflightsupplies.co.uk>

I have all three and use MS Office in preference to IWorks, practice  
is probably the reason. I have Open Office but I have not really  
explored it fully, but it looks good.

Michael Woodhouse
mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk
http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/




On 9 Oct 2009, at 18:37, Kerin Westgate wrote:

> Hi, just wondered who use which Office set ie Apple's iWork, M/S
> Office or Open Office etc on there Mac and why?
>
> Kerin
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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From rrandlesome at mac.com  Fri Oct  9 18:59:54 2009
From: rrandlesome at mac.com (Richard Randlesome)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 18:59:54 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Word
In-Reply-To: <55D73F66-4C3E-4D69-908E-41536554D4C7@ntlworld.com>
References: <55D73F66-4C3E-4D69-908E-41536554D4C7@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <432F1C39-034A-4AE5-B403-31B4F14D49E6@mac.com>

Kerin

I use Word, iWork, Appleworks and Nisus Writer and have done for many  
years.

Richard

On 9 Oct 2009, at 18:37, Kerin Westgate wrote:

> Hi, just wondered who use which Office set ie Apple's iWork, M/S
> Office or Open Office etc on there Mac and why?
>
> Kerin
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ 
> listinfo/nmug


From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com  Fri Oct  9 19:25:56 2009
From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 19:25:56 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Slow Conection
Message-ID: <942E2C76-6A43-41AB-BD56-3A3035927954@ntlworld.com>

Hi, does anyone else have this problem,   Within the family we have  
several PC's plus my Macbook, I use a Time Capsule for the  net and  
storage, Now I can connect and view,copy photo's from the Time Capsule  
(T/C) with no slowing of speed but my wife's laptop (Vista Ultimate)  
with enough memory and processor speed is really slow to view and copy  
photo's from the T/C.   Have I missed a setting somewhere on her  
laptop. or is it the Apple to Apple is better than Windows to Apple :)

Kerin

From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Fri Oct  9 19:26:02 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 19:26:02 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Word
In-Reply-To: <55D73F66-4C3E-4D69-908E-41536554D4C7@ntlworld.com>
References: <55D73F66-4C3E-4D69-908E-41536554D4C7@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <AC5C45B4-AE55-4329-A825-56E006E2E3BD@gmail.com>

I like iWork and have made the leap of faith from excel to numbers but  
I keep an old copy of MS Office around incase iWork fails me.  for  
example, a company asked that I sent my C.V. in MS Word format, no  
problem I thought I'll just export  the file as MS Word format... but  
unfortunately this just made a mess of the document and I ended up  
having to recreate the C.V. using MS Word.

I did trial OpenOffice but really didn't get on with it.

Steve.


On 9 Oct 2009, at 18:37, Kerin Westgate wrote:

> Hi, just wondered who use which Office set ie Apple's iWork, M/S
> Office or Open Office etc on there Mac and why?


From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Fri Oct  9 19:34:42 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 14:34:42 -0400
Subject: [NMUG] Word
In-Reply-To: <55D73F66-4C3E-4D69-908E-41536554D4C7@ntlworld.com>
References: <55D73F66-4C3E-4D69-908E-41536554D4C7@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <4ACF8242.6040102@stackyard.org>

In this order:
1. iWork - normal docs, invoices, etc. - mostly exported to PDF for 
later reference/printing on multiple OS machines.
2. OpenOffice - for most other stuff - such as spreadsheets - need to 
use on multiple OSes
3. MS Office - for when people send me weird stuff to figure out which 
was created in Word, e.g. doctoral theses where page format is critical
4. vi - preferred editor for creating ordinary text.  I love vi. Have 
forgotten a lot of it but still love it.

Ken

Kerin Westgate wrote:
> Hi, just wondered who use which Office set ie Apple's iWork, M/S  
> Office or Open Office etc on there Mac and why?
>
> Kerin
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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>   

From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Fri Oct  9 19:37:53 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 19:37:53 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Slow Conection
In-Reply-To: <942E2C76-6A43-41AB-BD56-3A3035927954@ntlworld.com>
References: <942E2C76-6A43-41AB-BD56-3A3035927954@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <13D56DA1-A888-4BFB-B168-7F090A4BCFB9@gmail.com>


There are several possibilities for why there might be speed  
differences, are you connecting to the time capsule wirelessly or over  
a cable?  If using WIFI you may be connected using the Airport's  
802.11n while your wife's laptop may only be capable of connecting at  
802.11g???

Steve.


On 9 Oct 2009, at 19:25, Kerin Westgate wrote:

> my wife's laptop (Vista Ultimate)
> with enough memory and processor speed is really slow to view and copy
> photo's from the T/C.


From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Fri Oct  9 19:39:30 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 19:39:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Word
In-Reply-To: <4ACF8242.6040102@stackyard.org>
References: <55D73F66-4C3E-4D69-908E-41536554D4C7@ntlworld.com>
	<4ACF8242.6040102@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <2C6CAFA7-2970-4022-B1BC-9787EFFD966B@gmail.com>

oh dear...


On 9 Oct 2009, at 19:34, Ken Hamer wrote:

> I love vi


From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com  Fri Oct  9 19:50:02 2009
From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 19:50:02 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Slow Conection
In-Reply-To: <13D56DA1-A888-4BFB-B168-7F090A4BCFB9@gmail.com>
References: <942E2C76-6A43-41AB-BD56-3A3035927954@ntlworld.com>
	<13D56DA1-A888-4BFB-B168-7F090A4BCFB9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <17286E3B-3059-490B-93B5-4253C0EE06E2@ntlworld.com>

Thanx looks like that could be it, her laptop connects 802.11g <--
Oh well have wait until I can afford her MacBook Pro :)

Many thanx

On 9 Oct 2009, at 19:37, Steve Batch wrote:

>
> There are several possibilities for why there might be speed
> differences, are you connecting to the time capsule wirelessly or over
> a cable?  If using WIFI you may be connected using the Airport's
> 802.11n while your wife's laptop may only be capable of connecting at
> 802.11g???
>
> Steve.
>
>
> On 9 Oct 2009, at 19:25, Kerin Westgate wrote:
>
>> my wife's laptop (Vista Ultimate)
>> with enough memory and processor speed is really slow to view and  
>> copy
>> photo's from the T/C.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Fri Oct  9 20:04:13 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:04:13 -0400
Subject: [NMUG] Word
In-Reply-To: <2C6CAFA7-2970-4022-B1BC-9787EFFD966B@gmail.com>
References: <55D73F66-4C3E-4D69-908E-41536554D4C7@ntlworld.com>	<4ACF8242.6040102@stackyard.org>
	<2C6CAFA7-2970-4022-B1BC-9787EFFD966B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ACF892D.4000809@stackyard.org>

Yes, I know - sad and proud of it.  ZZ


Steve Batch wrote:
> oh dear...
>
>
> On 9 Oct 2009, at 19:34, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
>   
>> I love vi
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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>   

From munkt0n at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 20:04:50 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 20:04:50 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Word
In-Reply-To: <2C6CAFA7-2970-4022-B1BC-9787EFFD966B@gmail.com>
References: <55D73F66-4C3E-4D69-908E-41536554D4C7@ntlworld.com>
	<4ACF8242.6040102@stackyard.org>
	<2C6CAFA7-2970-4022-B1BC-9787EFFD966B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0910091204q5f051749i5997bcdd1348820e@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Steve Batch <batchsteve at googlemail.com> wrote:
> oh dear...
>
>
> On 9 Oct 2009, at 19:34, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
>> I love vi
>

ha! the best thing about vi is it's almost 100% guaranteed to be
installed on any linux/unix machine, the worst bit is the RSI and the
urge to keep hitting esc then w every few seconds when editing with
anything else (hence the signature)

-- 
:wq

From david at vanedwards.co.uk  Fri Oct  9 19:15:47 2009
From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 19:15:47 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Word
In-Reply-To: <55D73F66-4C3E-4D69-908E-41536554D4C7@ntlworld.com>
References: <55D73F66-4C3E-4D69-908E-41536554D4C7@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <p06240806c6f52c41154c@[192.168.1.100]>

I have all three too,

I prefer Apple works for wordprocessing
I have to use Excel for spreadsheet because it allows more cells.
PowerPoint because I'm used to it.
OpenOffice irritates me because it takes so long to open via Xterm 
and ends up looking like Word.
Word irritates because of its illiterate drop down menus with 
meaningless terms and rows of unreadable icons instead of keystrokes.

Best wishes,

David

>Hi, just wondered who use which Office set ie Apple's iWork, M/S 
>Office or Open Office etc on there Mac and why?
>
>Kerin
>_______________________________________________
>Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


-- 
The Smokehouse,
6 Whitwell Road,
Norwich,  NR1 4HB      
England.

Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899
Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk


From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Sat Oct 10 00:27:18 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2009 19:27:18 -0400
Subject: [NMUG] Word
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0910091204q5f051749i5997bcdd1348820e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <55D73F66-4C3E-4D69-908E-41536554D4C7@ntlworld.com>	<4ACF8242.6040102@stackyard.org>	<2C6CAFA7-2970-4022-B1BC-9787EFFD966B@gmail.com>
	<ac224bde0910091204q5f051749i5997bcdd1348820e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ACFC6D6.8040309@stackyard.org>

Yes, fantastic, isn't it!

ZZ
(easier than typing :wq)

Ken

Scott Matthews wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Steve Batch <batchsteve at googlemail.com> wrote:
>   
>> oh dear...
>>
>>
>> On 9 Oct 2009, at 19:34, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> I love vi
>>>       
>
> ha! the best thing about vi is it's almost 100% guaranteed to be
> installed on any linux/unix machine, the worst bit is the RSI and the
> urge to keep hitting esc then w every few seconds when editing with
> anything else (hence the signature)
>
>   

From tobiasarnup at onetel.com  Sat Oct 10 08:14:17 2009
From: tobiasarnup at onetel.com (Tobias Arnup)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 08:14:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhoto Workshop
In-Reply-To: <D3450DD0-119E-4866-B898-74899359BF6C@mac.com>
References: <DE3DC99D-0293-4811-8D57-4A6099CBF25E@mac.com>
	<D3450DD0-119E-4866-B898-74899359BF6C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F717191D-9285-4602-8058-9B814326FD29@onetel.com>

Hi Richard,

Can I be part of a late rush please....
Tobias


On 7 Oct 2009, at 18:01, Richard Nevill wrote:

Space shouldn't be a problem on Saturday - I expect comfortable
numbers unless we get a late rush.


From ricnev at mac.com  Sat Oct 10 08:18:18 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 08:18:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhoto Workshop
In-Reply-To: <F717191D-9285-4602-8058-9B814326FD29@onetel.com>
References: <DE3DC99D-0293-4811-8D57-4A6099CBF25E@mac.com>
	<D3450DD0-119E-4866-B898-74899359BF6C@mac.com>
	<F717191D-9285-4602-8058-9B814326FD29@onetel.com>
Message-ID: <CD1F0821-AA63-4895-879C-8F2148C2AA45@mac.com>

Of course - see you later.


On 10 Oct 2009, at 08:14, Tobias Arnup wrote:

> Hi Richard,
>
> Can I be part of a late rush please....
> Tobias
>
>
> On 7 Oct 2009, at 18:01, Richard Nevill wrote:
>
> Space shouldn't be a problem on Saturday - I expect comfortable
> numbers unless we get a late rush.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat Oct 10 09:33:02 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:33:02 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Word
Message-ID: <NRfRVkGMNQVh.lvg9mfpX@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

A bit late, but I havent used MS Office for years.

For quick word processing I use Bean or Abiword. 

For heavy word processing or spreadsheeting I use OpenOffice.

Simon

--- visit http://www.simonroyal.co.uk (sent using Nokia E65)

- original message -
Subject:	Re: [NMUG] Word
From:	David Van Edwards <david at vanedwards.co.uk>
Date:		09/10/2009 19:05

I have all three too,

I prefer Apple works for wordprocessing
I have to use Excel for spreadsheet because it allows more cells.
PowerPoint because I'm used to it.
OpenOffice irritates me because it takes so long to open via Xterm 
and ends up looking like Word.
Word irritates because of its illiterate drop down menus with 
meaningless terms and rows of unreadable icons instead of keystrokes.

Best wishes,

David

>Hi, just wondered who use which Office set ie Apple's iWork, M/S 
>Office or Open Office etc on there Mac and why?
>
>Kerin
>_______________________________________________
>Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


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6 Whitwell Road,
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England.

Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899
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From ghowells at f2s.com  Sat Oct 10 10:32:25 2009
From: ghowells at f2s.com (G.Howells)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 10:32:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Word
In-Reply-To: <55D73F66-4C3E-4D69-908E-41536554D4C7@ntlworld.com>
References: <55D73F66-4C3E-4D69-908E-41536554D4C7@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <a0624080bc6f6016b4a81@[192.168.2.2]>

Hi.

I did try Open Office when using Leopard and found it useful for 
opening a .docx attachment that someone sent me that even my older 
Microsoft Word wouldn't open!
BUT while Open Office was open it resulted it the computer freezing 
on a number of occasions and made me wonder whether there were 
conflicts with one or more other programs. I eventually removed it 
from my HD because it seemed to open up in preference to Word when a 
.doc arrived! For me open Office wasn't worth the hassle.

I have used AppleWorks for many years since having my first Apple 
computer. It's now upgraded to the final version (a few years ago) 
and still works well with Snow Leopard.
Word (from M/s Office) comes in handy very occasionally for sending 
things to organisations that are more likely to use it! But Word 
always seems more of a bother to use - doesn't seem as simple for the 
user as AppleWorks.

I think my trial copy of Apple iWorks did open .docx documents, but 
it hasn't seemed worth the expense yet of buying the complete 
version, especially as I already had Keynote (and there was always a 
very simple presentation prog as part of AppleWorks!!!)


>Hi, just wondered who use which Office set ie Apple's iWork, M/S 
>Office or Open Office etc on there Mac and why?
>
>Kerin
>_______________________________________________
>Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


From davidenglish at mac.com  Sat Oct 10 12:11:09 2009
From: davidenglish at mac.com (David English)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 12:11:09 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Word
In-Reply-To: <9445465951037235517434088000672975549-Webmail@me.com>
References: <9445465951037235517434088000672975549-Webmail@me.com>
Message-ID: <612380066255835139942574505697252332-Webmail@me.com>

Thanks Simon
Bean is just what I have been looking for in a word processor for a long time. Straight forward clear easy to use without all the clutter and stupid cleaver stuff that 'word' especially imposes. Time to write the book...no excuse left!
David

From ehitchins at aol.com  Sat Oct 10 14:25:55 2009
From: ehitchins at aol.com (ehitchins at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:25:55 -0400
Subject: [NMUG] Re Saturday Worshop
Message-ID: <8CC17C454E3DFA2-2970-1AE5D@webmail-m100.sysops.aol.com>

Ricahard

Thank you for this mornings iPhoto session, I, as I am sure others 
there, found it useful

It seems a shame that more don't support these events, if others feel 
that they already know more these sessions offer then perhaps by 
attending they could provide useful input for those that do attend

Eric Hitchins


From ricnev at mac.com  Sat Oct 10 14:55:49 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 14:55:49 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Re Saturday Workshop
In-Reply-To: <8CC17C454E3DFA2-2970-1AE5D@webmail-m100.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC17C454E3DFA2-2970-1AE5D@webmail-m100.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <512D82F4-36E5-47D9-AC6B-3A902B81147F@mac.com>




On 10 Oct 2009, at 14:25, ehitchins at aol.com wrote:

> Richard
>
> Thank you for this mornings iPhoto session, I, as I am sure others
> there, found it useful
>
> It seems a shame that more don't support these events, if others feel
> that they already know more these sessions offer then perhaps by
> attending they could provide useful input for those that do attend
>
> Eric Hitchins
>
>


Thanks for your comments. I thought it was a lively, probing,  
illuminating session this morning and I'm glad it was found to be  
useful.

With regard to the numbers, I think it is not necessarily how many  
attend which makes the session work, its more about the willingness of  
the attendees to participate.

Those there today were good at participating - the fact that the end  
of the session came round so quickly was a measure of this.

  I've always found than between 7 and around 14 is a good size to  
generate participation but still have some degree of structure to a  
course.  7 or so also provides enough income to cover the room hire  
and refreshments etc.

There were a fair few who wanted to come today but for a variety of  
reasons just could not make it. If they had been there, we would have  
been around 15 strong, which I think would have demonstrated a very  
healthy level of support.



Regards,

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com




From ricnev at mac.com  Sat Oct 10 15:10:27 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:10:27 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Apple iPhoto on-line Tutorials
Message-ID: <DF2F8D98-038B-44A7-8E27-F59136FE05F6@mac.com>

As a follow-up to this morning's iPhoto Workshop, here is a link to  
the on-line Apple tutorials we discussed:

http://www.apple.com/ilife/tutorials/#iphoto

If any participants have any more questions about iPhoto, please ask  
away here on our forum - we'll all learn from your explorations.


Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com




From penguinsplj at me.com  Sat Oct 10 15:10:18 2009
From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:10:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Re Saturday Workshop
In-Reply-To: <512D82F4-36E5-47D9-AC6B-3A902B81147F@mac.com>
References: <8CC17C454E3DFA2-2970-1AE5D@webmail-m100.sysops.aol.com>
	<512D82F4-36E5-47D9-AC6B-3A902B81147F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <D3E5D6C2-73A9-40E6-BAC3-D63D8383F399@me.com>

A question arose at the workshop today about date changing of files.  
This would be useful if say the date on your digital camera was wrong  
and after importing into programs like iPhoto the photo appeared in  
the wrong area. Within iPhoto it is possible to change the date but  
this only worked within iPhoto but I was sure that I had seen a  
similar question before on another forum. I have since investigated  
and found that there is a program called Reveal that will allow you to  
change the "EXIF info". It is free so I downloaded and experimented  
with it.

I had a picture that in "Get Info" said it was created October 5th  
2009 18.46 so opened it in Reveal. I edited the date and time but  
going back to "Get Info" didn't show any changes. I imported the file  
into iPhoto and it showed the changed date and this new date also  
showed up in the "Info" when opened in PhotoShop. Maybe someone who  
knows about these things can explain why I appeared to have changed  
the date and time on a file such that various programs recognise this  
new date rather than the original date but doing "Get Info" on the  
file itself still shows the original date. Does "Get Info" access  
other details?

This program Reveal does seem to be a useful program as it can help  
you edit not just the date but also information like all the exposure  
details. Download it from here:

<http://albumshaper.sourceforge.net/download.shtml>

Paul C

From nathan.crosby at virgin.net  Sat Oct 10 15:31:45 2009
From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 15:31:45 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Re Saturday Workshop
In-Reply-To: <D3E5D6C2-73A9-40E6-BAC3-D63D8383F399@me.com>
References: <8CC17C454E3DFA2-2970-1AE5D@webmail-m100.sysops.aol.com>
	<512D82F4-36E5-47D9-AC6B-3A902B81147F@mac.com>
	<D3E5D6C2-73A9-40E6-BAC3-D63D8383F399@me.com>
Message-ID: <77801BA0-B9BE-41FA-8D6A-625D9845585D@virgin.net>

There are various reasons why the Exif date on a photograph
shouldn't be altered. Entering a competition that stipulated only  
recent pictures, for instance,
or in a court of law where the date was important.
I suppose it would be a bit like altering the milage on a second hand  
car before selling it.

Nathan


On 10 Oct 2009, at 15:10, Paul Chapman wrote:

> A question arose at the workshop today about date changing of files.
> This would be useful if say the date on your digital camera was wrong
> and after importing into programs like iPhoto the photo appeared in
> the wrong area. Within iPhoto it is possible to change the date but
> this only worked within iPhoto but I was sure that I had seen a
> similar question before on another forum. I have since investigated
> and found that there is a program called Reveal that will allow you to
> change the "EXIF info". It is free so I downloaded and experimented
> with it.
>
> I had a picture that in "Get Info" said it was created October 5th
> 2009 18.46 so opened it in Reveal. I edited the date and time but
> going back to "Get Info" didn't show any changes. I imported the file
> into iPhoto and it showed the changed date and this new date also
> showed up in the "Info" when opened in PhotoShop. Maybe someone who
> knows about these things can explain why I appeared to have changed
> the date and time on a file such that various programs recognise this
> new date rather than the original date but doing "Get Info" on the
> file itself still shows the original date. Does "Get Info" access
> other details?
>
> This program Reveal does seem to be a useful program as it can help
> you edit not just the date but also information like all the exposure
> details. Download it from here:
>
> <http://albumshaper.sourceforge.net/download.shtml>
>
> Paul C
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From penguinsplj at me.com  Sat Oct 10 16:04:40 2009
From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:04:40 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Re Saturday Workshop
In-Reply-To: <77801BA0-B9BE-41FA-8D6A-625D9845585D@virgin.net>
References: <8CC17C454E3DFA2-2970-1AE5D@webmail-m100.sysops.aol.com>
	<512D82F4-36E5-47D9-AC6B-3A902B81147F@mac.com>
	<D3E5D6C2-73A9-40E6-BAC3-D63D8383F399@me.com>
	<77801BA0-B9BE-41FA-8D6A-625D9845585D@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <D4594F72-9AA1-4C2C-ADCE-094CD8171208@me.com>


On Oct 10, 2009, at 15:31, nathan crosby wrote:

> There are various reasons why the Exif date on a photograph
> shouldn't be altered. Entering a competition that stipulated only
> recent pictures, for instance,
> or in a court of law where the date was important.

I understand that but as in the circumstances to the question posed  
this morning, if the camera's own dating is wrong then the information  
attached to the file is meaningless. My personal experience has been  
that a good percentage of digital cameras do not have the date and/or  
time set correctly and for many this does not matter. It's only when  
they are imported into programs that sort by date that the problems  
occur.

I cannot believe that a court of law could reliably use the dating on  
digital photos whether they could be altered after the picture has  
been taken or not.

Paul C

From minkennison at mac.com  Sat Oct 10 17:58:12 2009
From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 17:58:12 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Apple iPhoto on-line Tutorials
In-Reply-To: <DF2F8D98-038B-44A7-8E27-F59136FE05F6@mac.com>
References: <DF2F8D98-038B-44A7-8E27-F59136FE05F6@mac.com>
Message-ID: <90755195-7913-463A-B387-0DA674A76B3F@mac.com>

Hi Richard

Let me add my thanks to you for leading the workshop this morning: It  
was informative and useful: Thanks also for the tutorial link:   It  
will be very useful to us to recap and hone our knowledge.

See you next month

Min
On 10 Oct 2009, at 15:1010 Oct 2009, Richard Nevill wrote:

> As a follow-up to this morning's iPhoto Workshop, here is a link to
> the on-line Apple tutorials we discussed:
>
> http://www.apple.com/ilife/tutorials/#iphoto
>
> If any participants have any more questions about iPhoto, please ask
> away here on our forum - we'll all learn from your explorations.
>
>
> Richard Nevill
> ricnev at mac.com
>
>
>
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From david at vanedwards.co.uk  Sat Oct 10 23:02:12 2009
From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 23:02:12 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG iPhoto learners Workshop
In-Reply-To: <C221DE49-88B2-4755-8498-B9A6D1BAF491@mac.com>
References: <C221DE49-88B2-4755-8498-B9A6D1BAF491@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06240809c6f6b4802246@[192.168.1.101]>

Dear Richard,

Thank you for organising the iPhoto workshop today, we found it very 
useful to talk through some of the issues that had been troubling us.

Best wishes,

David and Thea
-- 
The Smokehouse,
6 Whitwell Road,
Norwich,  NR1 4HB
England.

Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899
Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk



From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net  Sun Oct 11 10:34:44 2009
From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10:34:44 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Re Saturday Workshop
In-Reply-To: <D3E5D6C2-73A9-40E6-BAC3-D63D8383F399@me.com>
References: <8CC17C454E3DFA2-2970-1AE5D@webmail-m100.sysops.aol.com>
	<512D82F4-36E5-47D9-AC6B-3A902B81147F@mac.com>
	<D3E5D6C2-73A9-40E6-BAC3-D63D8383F399@me.com>
Message-ID: <40BF6818-A650-4055-B453-F6D30EAEB498@virgin.net>

Hello All,

Thanks Paul, and others for info on 'Reveal'

It works, and is simple. Moreover if one is sure of the date and time  
a photo was taken (despite what date the camera records)
it can save later family arguments!

Ken Arnoldi

On 10 Oct 2009, at 15:10, Paul Chapman wrote:

> This program Reveal does seem to be a useful program as it can help
> you edit not just the date but also information like all the exposure
> details. Download it from here:


From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Sun Oct 11 10:38:12 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10:38:12 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Re Saturday Workshop
In-Reply-To: <D4594F72-9AA1-4C2C-ADCE-094CD8171208@me.com>
References: <8CC17C454E3DFA2-2970-1AE5D@webmail-m100.sysops.aol.com>
	<512D82F4-36E5-47D9-AC6B-3A902B81147F@mac.com>
	<D3E5D6C2-73A9-40E6-BAC3-D63D8383F399@me.com>
	<77801BA0-B9BE-41FA-8D6A-625D9845585D@virgin.net>
	<D4594F72-9AA1-4C2C-ADCE-094CD8171208@me.com>
Message-ID: <A7D6DC85-D16C-44FB-8A5D-EE3EF1051BD6@zen.co.uk>

IIRC there is software on the market that can either "seal" or verify  
that the data in an image hasn't been tampered with.

Obviously if you are using RAW....


On 10 Oct 2009, at 16:04, Paul Chapman wrote:

>
> On Oct 10, 2009, at 15:31, nathan crosby wrote:
>
>> There are various reasons why the Exif date on a photograph
>> shouldn't be altered. Entering a competition that stipulated only
>> recent pictures, for instance,
>> or in a court of law where the date was important.
>
> I understand that but as in the circumstances to the question posed
> this morning, if the camera's own dating is wrong then the information
> attached to the file is meaningless. My personal experience has been
> that a good percentage of digital cameras do not have the date and/or
> time set correctly and for many this does not matter. It's only when
> they are imported into programs that sort by date that the problems
> occur.
>
> I cannot believe that a court of law could reliably use the dating on
> digital photos whether they could be altered after the picture has
> been taken or not.
>
> Paul C
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


From lizbarnard at btinternet.com  Sun Oct 11 10:59:50 2009
From: lizbarnard at btinternet.com (Liz)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 10:59:50 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Iphoto workshop
Message-ID: <C6F76B26.81C1%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>

I missed the Saturday workshop as I am flat on my back with a slipped disc.
Could I ?phone one of you for a debrief?

Liz

From tobiasarnup at onetel.com  Sun Oct 11 15:49:10 2009
From: tobiasarnup at onetel.com (Tobias Arnup)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:49:10 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] a quick look
Message-ID: <D62A98BE-6D09-4E31-9E28-516690EABB54@onetel.com>

I read somewhere recently (perhaps on the list) , that there was a  
quick way to have a look at what was in a file without having to fully  
open an application to do so.
Does anyone know what I mean?
Tobias 

From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Oct 11 15:52:07 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 15:52:07 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] a quick look
In-Reply-To: <D62A98BE-6D09-4E31-9E28-516690EABB54@onetel.com>
References: <D62A98BE-6D09-4E31-9E28-516690EABB54@onetel.com>
Message-ID: <0BD5CA2E-76E8-470C-A5FC-470610393AA6@simonroyal.co.uk>

Tobias

If you are using Leopard or Snow Leopard you can press the space bar  
and it will preview the item.

Simon

On 11 Oct 2009, at 15:49, Tobias Arnup wrote:

> I read somewhere recently (perhaps on the list) , that there was a
> quick way to have a look at what was in a file without having to fully
> open an application to do so.
> Does anyone know what I mean?
> Tobias
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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Simon Royal
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. Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)









From tobiasarnup at onetel.com  Sun Oct 11 16:05:21 2009
From: tobiasarnup at onetel.com (Tobias Arnup)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:05:21 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] a quick look
In-Reply-To: <0BD5CA2E-76E8-470C-A5FC-470610393AA6@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <D62A98BE-6D09-4E31-9E28-516690EABB54@onetel.com>
	<0BD5CA2E-76E8-470C-A5FC-470610393AA6@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CB85C73B-1A89-4113-8B61-33D391F6B280@onetel.com>

thanks, that was it - so simple
Tobias
On 11 Oct 2009, at 15:52, Simon Royal wrote:

Tobias

If you are using Leopard or Snow Leopard you can press the space bar
and it will preview the item.

Simon

On 11 Oct 2009, at 15:49, Tobias Arnup wrote:

> I read somewhere recently (perhaps on the list) , that there was a
> quick way to have a look at what was in a file without having to fully
> open an application to do so.
> Does anyone know what I mean?
> Tobias
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
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. Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)








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From richardivers at mac.com  Sun Oct 11 16:33:18 2009
From: richardivers at mac.com (Richard Ivers)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:33:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] a quick look
In-Reply-To: <D62A98BE-6D09-4E31-9E28-516690EABB54@onetel.com>
References: <D62A98BE-6D09-4E31-9E28-516690EABB54@onetel.com>
Message-ID: <3719F595-F5AB-4A8B-ABEC-CFB19AB7B1FD@mac.com>

Tobias, if u are using Finder u can also use the icon which looks like  
an eye to the right of the views icons in the toolbar.

Regards
Richard
On 11 Oct 2009, at 15:49, Tobias Arnup wrote:

> I read somewhere recently (perhaps on the list) , that there was a
> quick way to have a look at what was in a file without having to fully
> open an application to do so.
> Does anyone know what I mean?
> Tobias
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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From michelehurst at mac.com  Sun Oct 11 16:42:04 2009
From: michelehurst at mac.com (Michele Hurst)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:42:04 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Happy mac week!!
Message-ID: <F9DCA09C-2621-4CDE-8D74-2A79F2407B3F@mac.com>

Well gone a bit mad this week.
New 32G iphone comes tomorrow and snow leopard plus ilife & iwork 09  
due any day.
Guess I'll be having a very busy happy mac week!!!!!
michele

Michele Hurst
michelehurst at mac.com




From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Sun Oct 11 18:01:01 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:01:01 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Happy mac week!!
In-Reply-To: <F9DCA09C-2621-4CDE-8D74-2A79F2407B3F@mac.com>
References: <F9DCA09C-2621-4CDE-8D74-2A79F2407B3F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7D934135-A81E-4D97-AA2B-8EBD63230B9F@gmail.com>


Show off! :D

Are you upgrading your phone or are you new to the iPhone?

Steve.



On 11 Oct 2009, at 16:42, Michele Hurst wrote:

> New 32G iphone comes tomorrow and snow leopard plus ilife & iwork 09
> due any day.


From minkennison at mac.com  Sun Oct 11 18:24:46 2009
From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:24:46 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Iphoto workshop
In-Reply-To: <C6F76B26.81C1%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>
References: <C6F76B26.81C1%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <8CBC27B4-A91C-4B5D-93A7-DA9EA6AADC4D@mac.com>

Hi Liz

Sorry to hear you are not well.
By all means phone .  I shall be around alll day tomorrow  if that is  
any help

Min  (01953 607471 or Mob 07770 611841)
On 11 Oct 2009, at 10:5911 Oct 2009, Liz wrote:

> I missed the Saturday workshop as I am flat on my back with a  
> slipped disc.
> Could I ?phone one of you for a debrief?
>
> Liz
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Oct 12 11:22:26 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:22:26 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Slow Internet On PowerBook
Message-ID: <9003E04A-A2E0-4238-A6E6-E4BB77A93D0B@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

Over the past week my internet has been painfully slow on my  
PowerBook. At first I thought it was our broadband, but everyone else  
seems to be running at normal speed.

It takes ages for Safari to load any pages and emails are slow to come  
in to using Mail. I haven't changed anything on my PowerBook nor my  
HomeHub.

Any ideas?

Simon Royal
---
Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal 
. Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)









From michelehurst at mac.com  Mon Oct 12 12:04:03 2009
From: michelehurst at mac.com (Michele Hurst)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 04:04:03 -0700
Subject: [NMUG] re happy mac week
Message-ID: <44090722809867714526005802875061998424-Webmail@me.com>

Hi  Steve
Am new to iphone and still trying to work out where the sim goes!!!!!
MIchele

From ricnev at mac.com  Mon Oct 12 13:04:40 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:04:40 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Slow Internet On PowerBook
In-Reply-To: <9003E04A-A2E0-4238-A6E6-E4BB77A93D0B@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <9003E04A-A2E0-4238-A6E6-E4BB77A93D0B@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1975F0E7-42B5-41EC-9502-56DCBC86250B@mac.com>


On 12 Oct 2009, at 11:22, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi.
>
> Over the past week my internet has been painfully slow on my
> PowerBook. At first I thought it was our broadband, but everyone else
> seems to be running at normal speed.
>
> It takes ages for Safari to load any pages and emails are slow to come
> in to using Mail. I haven't changed anything on my PowerBook nor my
> HomeHub.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal
> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)
>

No ideas, but I have been experiencing a large attack of 'slowness' on  
my MacBook Pro using WiFi over recent days.
I have a BT HomeHub 2, and, like you, other machines (1 Wintel laptop,  
1 Mac Mini) seem to be unaffected.

I'm off to Chapelfields tomorrow to see a Genius about other matters.  
I'll see if he has any suggestions, but WiFi is such a black art, I  
don't expect any easy answers. If he has any clues to offer, I'll let  
you know.

Richard.

From dvg at f2s.com  Mon Oct 12 13:23:05 2009
From: dvg at f2s.com (David Gregory)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 13:23:05 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Slow internet on PowerBook
Message-ID: <31414BDD-0E3A-4A88-A5A3-5D7B588DE8D4@f2s.com>

Hi

My broadband went haywire on Sunday, 4th October and has been amiss  
the last week.

Sometimes, briefly, okay but usually in the range 1<4 of a possible  
15 on the Open Internet Display
when it was previously around 10 out of 15.

I'm with f2s and running an iMac

David Gregory
dvg at f2s.com




From band1 at mac.com  Mon Oct 12 15:04:23 2009
From: band1 at mac.com (David King)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:04:23 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iplayer downloader
Message-ID: <52E6EEB6-4C27-4BD0-A9F7-E816F51489D5@mac.com>

I see that new updates are available for both iPlayer Downloader and  
iPlayer grabber.  Both seem to work ok now.

David


From penguinsplj at me.com  Mon Oct 12 18:04:31 2009
From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:04:31 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iplayer downloader
In-Reply-To: <52E6EEB6-4C27-4BD0-A9F7-E816F51489D5@mac.com>
References: <52E6EEB6-4C27-4BD0-A9F7-E816F51489D5@mac.com>
Message-ID: <6A7B4B9C-26F2-4F12-BD7B-DD21F5193431@me.com>


On Oct 12, 2009, at 15:04, David King wrote:

> I see that new updates are available for both iPlayer Downloader and
> iPlayer grabber.  Both seem to work ok now.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!

Paul C


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Oct 12 18:12:52 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:12:52 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard For Sale
Message-ID: <CB8F564F-1B22-48FD-A078-DB1958A3A66A@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

If anyone is interested in buying my Snow Leopard disc, I have just  
listed it on eBay.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170393751424

Simon Royal
---
Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal 
. Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)









From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Oct 12 20:15:22 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:15:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard and Guest Accounts
Message-ID: <C09EB9F8-2896-40DF-9F39-1EF81687B247@durrant.co.uk>

There are reports circulating about a serious bug to do with guest  
accounts and Snow Leopard. If you have Snow Leopard, /do not/ log in  
with the guest account, and disable the guest account to make sure  
that no-one does log in with it.

Under some circumstances, it seems that your entire user folder can  
get deleted when logging out of the guest account.

http://www.macrumors.com/2009/10/12/snow-leopard-bug-responsible-for-loss-of-user-data-gaining-notice/

regards,

Paul


From peterforrester at waitrose.com  Tue Oct 13 14:59:23 2009
From: peterforrester at waitrose.com (Peter Forrester)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:59:23 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Slow Internet
Message-ID: <007C9298-06DF-470E-88C9-E57266CB4DCA@waitrose.com>

We've had some very erratic broadband speeds lately.  We've been on BT  
option 1 for about a year but having only acquired an intel iMac and  
Leopard this summer I hadn't gained much from it.  Have only used BBC  
IPlayer Desktop twice.  On the first occasion a 1 hour programme  
downloaded in a little over an hour; on the second it took rather more  
than 10 hours.

I've used Broadband Beginners Guide to check speeds fairly regularly  
since (and others occasionally).  The best speeds we rarely achieve  
are 3.23 and 0.33Mb.  The download speed is usually between 1.7 and  
2.7Mb but on the 28th September  it started at 392Kb (251Kb up) rose  
to 464 and 356Kb in the afternoon but dropped to 144 and 46Kb in the  
early evening.  Later in the evening the speed check refused to  
download at all.

We are very much out in the sticks near Roman Camp in North Norfolk.   
How do others in the wilds fare?

Peter

And belated thanks for last Saturdays iPhoto session!




From h.tamplin at btinternet.com  Tue Oct 13 15:21:19 2009
From: h.tamplin at btinternet.com (Heather Tamplin)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:21:19 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Slow Internet
In-Reply-To: <007C9298-06DF-470E-88C9-E57266CB4DCA@waitrose.com>
References: <007C9298-06DF-470E-88C9-E57266CB4DCA@waitrose.com>
Message-ID: <887ED2A5-119F-4964-A3ED-92F2F3FF0BC9@btinternet.com>

I am in Aldborough -access for me is through the Hanworth exchange,  
always had reasonable speeds average 3 - 3.35mbs upload iplayer is  
used to list3en live to the radio
I am on an older dual non intel imac and BT option 1 Broadband


Heather


On 13 Oct 2009, at 14:59, Peter Forrester wrote:

> We've had some very erratic broadband speeds lately.  We've been on BT
> option 1 for about a year but having only acquired an intel iMac and
> Leopard this summer I hadn't gained much from it.  Have only used BBC
> IPlayer Desktop twice.  On the first occasion a 1 hour programme
> downloaded in a little over an hour; on the second it took rather more
> than 10 hours.
>
> I've used Broadband Beginners Guide to check speeds fairly regularly
> since (and others occasionally).  The best speeds we rarely achieve
> are 3.23 and 0.33Mb.  The download speed is usually between 1.7 and
> 2.7Mb but on the 28th September  it started at 392Kb (251Kb up) rose
> to 464 and 356Kb in the afternoon but dropped to 144 and 46Kb in the
> early evening.  Later in the evening the speed check refused to
> download at all.
>
> We are very much out in the sticks near Roman Camp in North Norfolk.
> How do others in the wilds fare?
>
> Peter
>
> And belated thanks for last Saturdays iPhoto session!
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ 
> listinfo/nmug

Heather Tamplin

www.heathertamplin.co.uk

"Art is the only way to run away without leaving home."
Twyla Tharp





From macman at f2s.com  Tue Oct 13 17:22:35 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:22:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Slow Internet
In-Reply-To: <887ED2A5-119F-4964-A3ED-92F2F3FF0BC9@btinternet.com>
References: <007C9298-06DF-470E-88C9-E57266CB4DCA@waitrose.com>
	<887ED2A5-119F-4964-A3ED-92F2F3FF0BC9@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <85C79B38-4E8D-4BC1-ACAD-783EE2CBA727@f2s.com>

Whatever your speed, iPlayer Grabber/iPlayer Downloader should be much  
faster than iPlayer, due, I am told to the files being lower  
resolution and suitable for iPod/iPhone etc.

Whether or not this is the case, I find the quality perfectly  
acceptable on my 20" iMac, and unlike iPlayer, you can keep them  
forever.....

Robbie

On 13 Oct 2009, at 14:59, Peter Forrester wrote:

> We've had some very erratic broadband speeds lately.  We've been on BT
> option 1 for about a year but having only acquired an intel iMac and
> Leopard this summer I hadn't gained much from it.  Have only used BBC
> IPlayer Desktop twice.  On the first occasion a 1 hour programme
> downloaded in a little over an hour; on the second it took rather more
> than 10 hours.



From dvg at f2s.com  Tue Oct 13 19:57:20 2009
From: dvg at f2s.com (dvg at f2s.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 19:57:20 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] colour coded cables
Message-ID: <1255460240.4ad4cd906426c@webmail.freedom2surf.net>


Hi

I have started to install a Maplin ADSL/phone surface Box (A94CQ) but on opening
the present box find the cables are coloured Black, White, Green and Orange -
not the usual colour coding. Black and Green aren't used.

Can anyone suggest how the colours should be connencted between points 2 through
to 5 in the Maplin adaptor?

David Gregory





From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk  Tue Oct 13 21:46:39 2009
From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:46:39 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Spam
Message-ID: <BE02815F-D47A-418B-A262-F7FD54BF9CBC@freeflightsupplies.co.uk>

Guys

Am I alone? I get plenty of rubbish but a new kid on the block has  
appeared.

 From the Internal Revenue Service with the subject line underreported  
Income.

This is starting to be a pain and I wondered if this was general or  
just for me!

Michael Woodhouse
mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk
http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/





From david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk  Tue Oct 13 21:52:28 2009
From: david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk (David Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:52:28 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Spam
In-Reply-To: <BE02815F-D47A-418B-A262-F7FD54BF9CBC@freeflightsupplies.co.uk>
References: <BE02815F-D47A-418B-A262-F7FD54BF9CBC@freeflightsupplies.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5AD08596-7073-4C89-9292-A0600EED9E5C@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>

Michael,

On 13 Oct 2009, at 21:46, Michael Woodhouse wrote:

> Am I alone? I get plenty of rubbish but a new kid on the block has
> appeared.
>
> From the Internal Revenue Service with the subject line underreported
> Income.
>
> This is starting to be a pain and I wondered if this was general or
> just for me!


Yep, I've had loads of these over the past couple of days too.  Very  
annoying...

-- 
David Reynolds
david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk


From Stuartrichards at fastmail.fm  Tue Oct 13 22:23:27 2009
From: Stuartrichards at fastmail.fm (Stuart Richards)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:23:27 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Spam
In-Reply-To: <BE02815F-D47A-418B-A262-F7FD54BF9CBC@freeflightsupplies.co.uk>
References: <BE02815F-D47A-418B-A262-F7FD54BF9CBC@freeflightsupplies.co.uk>
Message-ID: <F2592DBD-5DA3-43F2-95EB-6E7986C9E5B5@fastmail.fm>

Michael

I average about 15 a day ! which automatically get assigned to the  
trash.   At the end of the day I check the trash just to ensure there  
have been no mistakes.

  I received an "Internal Revenue Service" spam some time ago which  
was a phishing e-Mail which was immediately deleted.

Stuart Richards

stuartrichards at fastmail.fm

On 13 Oct 2009, at 21:46, Michael Woodhouse wrote:

Guys

Am I alone? I get plenty of rubbish but a new kid on the block has
appeared.

 From the Internal Revenue Service with the subject line underreported
Income.

This is starting to be a pain and I wondered if this was general or
just for me!

Michael Woodhouse
mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk
http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/




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From steve.forst at virgin.net  Tue Oct 13 22:48:08 2009
From: steve.forst at virgin.net (Steve Forster)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:48:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Spam
In-Reply-To: <F2592DBD-5DA3-43F2-95EB-6E7986C9E5B5@fastmail.fm>
Message-ID: <C6FAB428.1DF17%steve.forst@virgin.net>

Yep me too, about 20 a day for the last 3 days.
-- 
Steve Forster




From: Stuart Richards <Stuartrichards at fastmail.fm>
Reply-To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:23:27 +0100
To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [NMUG] Spam

Michael

I average about 15 a day ! which automatically get assigned to the
trash.   At the end of the day I check the trash just to ensure there
have been no mistakes.

  I received an "Internal Revenue Service" spam some time ago which
was a phishing e-Mail which was immediately deleted.

Stuart Richards

stuartrichards at fastmail.fm

On 13 Oct 2009, at 21:46, Michael Woodhouse wrote:

Guys

Am I alone? I get plenty of rubbish but a new kid on the block has
appeared.

 From the Internal Revenue Service with the subject line underreported
Income.

This is starting to be a pain and I wondered if this was general or
just for me!

Michael Woodhouse
mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk
http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/




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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Oct 13 23:22:33 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:22:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Will There Be A 10.5.9?
Message-ID: <E74C0270-A5CF-4710-94EF-CD3951CC33BD@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

With the Apple world wrapped up in Snow Leopard and its updates, do we  
think Apple will release anymore updates for Leopard?

I have searched and couldn't find any reference to 10.5.9 being  
released or being sent to developers. Previous versions of OSX have  
been updated while a new one is out to ensure compatibility.

Simon Royal
---
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. Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)









From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed Oct 14 08:06:21 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:06:21 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Will There Be A 10.5.9?
In-Reply-To: <E74C0270-A5CF-4710-94EF-CD3951CC33BD@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <E74C0270-A5CF-4710-94EF-CD3951CC33BD@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <B5FF4C83-FD7D-463F-B8DC-219F7EC3955D@durrant.co.uk>

I would expect Apple to continue releasing security updates and bug  
fixes for Leopard until 10.7 is out.

regards,

Paul

On 13 Oct 2009, at 23:22, Simon Royal wrote:
> With the Apple world wrapped up in Snow Leopard and its updates, do we
> think Apple will release anymore updates for Leopard?
>
> I have searched and couldn't find any reference to 10.5.9 being
> released or being sent to developers. Previous versions of OSX have
> been updated while a new one is out to ensure compatibility.
>

From kevin at sanderling.co.uk  Wed Oct 14 08:08:10 2009
From: kevin at sanderling.co.uk (Kevin Allenby)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:08:10 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Spam
In-Reply-To: <C6FAB428.1DF17%steve.forst@virgin.net>
References: <F2592DBD-5DA3-43F2-95EB-6E7986C9E5B5@fastmail.fm>
	<C6FAB428.1DF17%steve.forst@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <9c83344f0910140008q56059ecfkcd680ed916ffdcea@mail.gmail.com>

I now put my email through googlemail which is very efficient at stopping
most spam - I don't usually get more than a couple a day now (used to be
over 100) and have not seen the Inland Revenue one at all.

Kevin

2009/10/13 Steve Forster <steve.forst at virgin.net>

> Yep me too, about 20 a day for the last 3 days.
> --
> Steve Forster
>
>
>
>
> From: Stuart Richards <Stuartrichards at fastmail.fm>
> Reply-To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:23:27 +0100
> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Spam
>
> Michael
>
> I average about 15 a day ! which automatically get assigned to the
> trash.   At the end of the day I check the trash just to ensure there
> have been no mistakes.
>
>  I received an "Internal Revenue Service" spam some time ago which
> was a phishing e-Mail which was immediately deleted.
>
> Stuart Richards
>
> stuartrichards at fastmail.fm
>
> On 13 Oct 2009, at 21:46, Michael Woodhouse wrote:
>
> Guys
>
> Am I alone? I get plenty of rubbish but a new kid on the block has
> appeared.
>
>  From the Internal Revenue Service with the subject line underreported
> Income.
>
> This is starting to be a pain and I wondered if this was general or
> just for me!
>
> Michael Woodhouse
> mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk
> http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/
>
>
>
>
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Oct 14 08:58:31 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:58:31 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Will There Be A 10.5.9?
In-Reply-To: <B5FF4C83-FD7D-463F-B8DC-219F7EC3955D@durrant.co.uk>
References: <E74C0270-A5CF-4710-94EF-CD3951CC33BD@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<B5FF4C83-FD7D-463F-B8DC-219F7EC3955D@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <41895C6B-2D02-4A84-9486-20D2CB236BE3@simonroyal.co.uk>

Paul

So would I. When Leopard was released we still had point updates for  
Tiger. Some were to fix compatibility issues between the two.

However since Snow Leopard, Apple seems to have spoke nothing of  
Leopard.

Simon

On 14 Oct 2009, at 08:06, Paul Durrant wrote:

> I would expect Apple to continue releasing security updates and bug
> fixes for Leopard until 10.7 is out.
>
> regards,
>
> Paul
>
> On 13 Oct 2009, at 23:22, Simon Royal wrote:
>> With the Apple world wrapped up in Snow Leopard and its updates, do  
>> we
>> think Apple will release anymore updates for Leopard?
>>
>> I have searched and couldn't find any reference to 10.5.9 being
>> released or being sent to developers. Previous versions of OSX have
>> been updated while a new one is out to ensure compatibility.
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

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SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)









From tom at tomkershaw.com  Wed Oct 14 10:30:08 2009
From: tom at tomkershaw.com (Tom Kershaw)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:30:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Will There Be A 10.5.9?
In-Reply-To: <41895C6B-2D02-4A84-9486-20D2CB236BE3@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <E74C0270-A5CF-4710-94EF-CD3951CC33BD@simonroyal.co.uk>	<B5FF4C83-FD7D-463F-B8DC-219F7EC3955D@durrant.co.uk>
	<41895C6B-2D02-4A84-9486-20D2CB236BE3@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4AD59A20.2060805@tomkershaw.com>

I wonder if Mac OS 11 will be a completely new operating system, perhaps 
with a 3D interface?

Tom

Simon Royal wrote:
> Paul
>
> So would I. When Leopard was released we still had point updates for  
> Tiger. Some were to fix compatibility issues between the two.
>
> However since Snow Leopard, Apple seems to have spoke nothing of  
> Leopard.
>
> Simon
>
> On 14 Oct 2009, at 08:06, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
>   
>> I would expect Apple to continue releasing security updates and bug
>> fixes for Leopard until 10.7 is out.
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On 13 Oct 2009, at 23:22, Simon Royal wrote:
>>     
>>> With the Apple world wrapped up in Snow Leopard and its updates, do  
>>> we
>>> think Apple will release anymore updates for Leopard?
>>>
>>> I have searched and couldn't find any reference to 10.5.9 being
>>> released or being sent to developers. Previous versions of OSX have
>>> been updated while a new one is out to ensure compatibility.
>>>
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>     
>
> Simon Royal
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> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From michelehurst at mac.com  Wed Oct 14 12:11:04 2009
From: michelehurst at mac.com (Michele Hurst)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:11:04 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Snow leopard and g4 power book
Message-ID: <F2AB1F5C-4716-4F72-B39C-3EC94F4B697C@mac.com>

Oh dear
Just bought. This before checking and think it may not be ok for my  
17" g4 PowerBook. Have also bought iphoto and iLife 09. Anyone know  
before I do anything wrong?
Thanks
Michele

Sent from Michele's iPhone 

From alan at asw6000.plus.com  Wed Oct 14 12:18:58 2009
From: alan at asw6000.plus.com (Alan Williams)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:18:58 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Snow leopard and g4 power book
In-Reply-To: <F2AB1F5C-4716-4F72-B39C-3EC94F4B697C@mac.com>
References: <F2AB1F5C-4716-4F72-B39C-3EC94F4B697C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <D9C51DBD-3CF5-4B12-8863-498E524BAB98@asw6000.plus.com>

I think it only works on an intel mac.

regards
Alan
On 14 Oct 2009, at 12:11, Michele Hurst wrote:

> Oh dear
> Just bought. This before checking and think it may not be ok for my
> 17" g4 PowerBook. Have also bought iphoto and iLife 09. Anyone know
> before I do anything wrong?
> Thanks
> Michele
>
> Sent from Michele's iPhone
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Oct 14 12:21:33 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:21:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Snow leopard and g4 power book
In-Reply-To: <F2AB1F5C-4716-4F72-B39C-3EC94F4B697C@mac.com>
References: <F2AB1F5C-4716-4F72-B39C-3EC94F4B697C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <446CFC4C-12A0-4B75-9615-82D4E28E4EA0@simonroyal.co.uk>

Michelle

Snow Leopard requires an Intel Mac. It won't work on a PowerBook.

Simon

On 14 Oct 2009, at 12:11, Michele Hurst wrote:

> Oh dear
> Just bought. This before checking and think it may not be ok for my
> 17" g4 PowerBook. Have also bought iphoto and iLife 09. Anyone know
> before I do anything wrong?
> Thanks
> Michele
>
> Sent from Michele's iPhone
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From david at vanedwards.co.uk  Wed Oct 14 13:41:30 2009
From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 13:41:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Repeat emails
Message-ID: <p06240801c6fb772817ce@[192.168.1.101]>

Ah, I've now found that I'm getting two copies of EVERY email so it's 
obviously not an NMUG setting but guess who!

Virgin of course!!

Best wishes,

David
-- 
The Smokehouse,
6 Whitwell Road,
Norwich,  NR1 4HB
England.

Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899
Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk



From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Wed Oct 14 16:11:23 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:11:23 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Will There Be A 10.5.9?
In-Reply-To: <4AD59A20.2060805@tomkershaw.com>
References: <E74C0270-A5CF-4710-94EF-CD3951CC33BD@simonroyal.co.uk>	<B5FF4C83-FD7D-463F-B8DC-219F7EC3955D@durrant.co.uk>
	<41895C6B-2D02-4A84-9486-20D2CB236BE3@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4AD59A20.2060805@tomkershaw.com>
Message-ID: <E34EE3BF-E4EA-40E6-B1E3-DCB6DCC6F2E6@gmail.com>

A lot of research has been done on interface design and while a 3D  
interface sounds good people who have done the research find that 3D  
is more of a gimmick than useful, instead developing better ways to  
interact with the interface is more useful, so perhaps OS11 will be  
completely controlled with hand gestures and voice commands...

Steve.


On 14 Oct 2009, at 10:30, Tom Kershaw wrote:

> I wonder if Mac OS 11 will be a completely new operating system,  
> perhaps
> with a 3D interface?


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Oct 14 16:13:59 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:13:59 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Will There Be A 10.5.9?
In-Reply-To: <E34EE3BF-E4EA-40E6-B1E3-DCB6DCC6F2E6@gmail.com>
References: <E74C0270-A5CF-4710-94EF-CD3951CC33BD@simonroyal.co.uk>	<B5FF4C83-FD7D-463F-B8DC-219F7EC3955D@durrant.co.uk>
	<41895C6B-2D02-4A84-9486-20D2CB236BE3@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4AD59A20.2060805@tomkershaw.com>
	<E34EE3BF-E4EA-40E6-B1E3-DCB6DCC6F2E6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1E02A02D-57B9-46A1-985A-B186F94922E5@simonroyal.co.uk>

Steve

Call me old fashioned, but that would put me off.

I couldn't cope with browsing through my photos by waving my arms  
around like a Nintendo Wii.

Simon

On 14 Oct 2009, at 16:11, Steve Batch wrote:

> A lot of research has been done on interface design and while a 3D
> interface sounds good people who have done the research find that 3D
> is more of a gimmick than useful, instead developing better ways to
> interact with the interface is more useful, so perhaps OS11 will be
> completely controlled with hand gestures and voice commands...
>
> Steve.
>
>
> On 14 Oct 2009, at 10:30, Tom Kershaw wrote:
>
>> I wonder if Mac OS 11 will be a completely new operating system,
>> perhaps
>> with a 3D interface?
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ricnev at mac.com  Wed Oct 14 16:32:58 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:32:58 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] colour coded cables
In-Reply-To: <1255460240.4ad4cd906426c@webmail.freedom2surf.net>
References: <1255460240.4ad4cd906426c@webmail.freedom2surf.net>
Message-ID: <128428E8-ADA9-41F5-B262-778DB72650B6@mac.com>


On 13 Oct 2009, at 19:57, dvg at f2s.com wrote:

>
> Hi
>
> I have started to install a Maplin ADSL/phone surface Box (A94CQ)  
> but on opening
> the present box find the cables are coloured Black, White, Green and  
> Orange -
> not the usual colour coding. Black and Green aren't used.
>
> Can anyone suggest how the colours should be connencted between  
> points 2 through
> to 5 in the Maplin adaptor?
>
> David Gregory


This site seems to tell all:

http://www.telephonesuk.co.uk/wiring_info.htm


Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com




From Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net  Wed Oct 14 16:39:29 2009
From: Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net (Jeremy Webb)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:39:29 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 2 old G3 macs
Message-ID: <2A91529D-617F-43D5-BEF6-22EDD01745EC@virgin.net>

Hi all

In doing some clearing out I came across 2 old G3 towers, both appear  
to be in good nick and I remember them both working although I don't  
have a spare monitor at the moment to test them with. One of them  
looks adapted with a different drive of some sort at the rear. They  
were passed on to me 3 years ago but barely used.

If anyone with an interest in old macs would like these for spare  
parts, components etc I'd be happy to pass them on. I can email a  
jpeg if anyone wants to contact me off-list, and I'm in NR2 if anyone  
wants to pick up. I'll offer on Freecycle (oops, I mean Freegle)  
otherwise.

Cheers everyone

Jeremy Webb
Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net




From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net  Wed Oct 14 17:50:24 2009
From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (KEN ARNOLDI)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:50:24 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Repeat emails
In-Reply-To: <p06240801c6fb772817ce@192.168.1.101>
References: <p06240801c6fb772817ce@192.168.1.101>
Message-ID: <7c0f9d370910140950k3c7b57e0r7a90bd906441ac9@mail.gmail.com>

How fortunate you are David!I have in the family, 2 Macs and an iPod Touch,
and sometimes I receive from Virgin,
an email on all 3 Macs, sometimes, on 2 and sometimes only 1 - or none.
When are Virgin going to finish their 'improvements"?

Ken Arnoldi

2009/10/14 David Van Edwards <david at vanedwards.co.uk>

> Ah, I've now found that I'm getting two copies of EVERY email so it's
> obviously not an NMUG setting but guess who!
>
> Virgin of course!!
>
> Best wishes,
>
> David
> --
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> 6 Whitwell Road,
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From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Wed Oct 14 19:18:10 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:18:10 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Will There Be A 10.5.9?
In-Reply-To: <1E02A02D-57B9-46A1-985A-B186F94922E5@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <E74C0270-A5CF-4710-94EF-CD3951CC33BD@simonroyal.co.uk>	<B5FF4C83-FD7D-463F-B8DC-219F7EC3955D@durrant.co.uk>
	<41895C6B-2D02-4A84-9486-20D2CB236BE3@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4AD59A20.2060805@tomkershaw.com>
	<E34EE3BF-E4EA-40E6-B1E3-DCB6DCC6F2E6@gmail.com>
	<1E02A02D-57B9-46A1-985A-B186F94922E5@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <11A946EC-963D-4657-9114-88F54714BAC9@gmail.com>

Yeah agreed, any repetitive task sucks with hand, voice or facial  
gestures so I guess before they can implement any of these  
technologies they will have to eliminate repetitive tasks first.

Steve.


On 14 Oct 2009, at 16:13, Simon Royal wrote:

> I couldn't cope with browsing through my photos by waving my arms
> around like a Nintendo Wii.


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Oct 14 19:20:50 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:20:50 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Will There Be A 10.5.9?
In-Reply-To: <11A946EC-963D-4657-9114-88F54714BAC9@gmail.com>
References: <E74C0270-A5CF-4710-94EF-CD3951CC33BD@simonroyal.co.uk>	<B5FF4C83-FD7D-463F-B8DC-219F7EC3955D@durrant.co.uk>
	<41895C6B-2D02-4A84-9486-20D2CB236BE3@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4AD59A20.2060805@tomkershaw.com>
	<E34EE3BF-E4EA-40E6-B1E3-DCB6DCC6F2E6@gmail.com>
	<1E02A02D-57B9-46A1-985A-B186F94922E5@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<11A946EC-963D-4657-9114-88F54714BAC9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <288D2C8A-D89A-46C4-8C1E-37F8389B5149@simonroyal.co.uk>

Steve

Perhaps we could all have bluetooth or wifi implants and Mac OS11 will  
be thought controlled.

Could be a bit embarrassing when you mind wanders on to naked women.

Simon

On 14 Oct 2009, at 19:18, Steve Batch wrote:

> Yeah agreed, any repetitive task sucks with hand, voice or facial
> gestures so I guess before they can implement any of these
> technologies they will have to eliminate repetitive tasks first.
>
> Steve.
>
>
> On 14 Oct 2009, at 16:13, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> I couldn't cope with browsing through my photos by waving my arms
>> around like a Nintendo Wii.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

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. Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)









From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk  Wed Oct 14 19:29:02 2009
From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:29:02 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Will There Be A 10.5.9?
In-Reply-To: <288D2C8A-D89A-46C4-8C1E-37F8389B5149@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <E74C0270-A5CF-4710-94EF-CD3951CC33BD@simonroyal.co.uk>	<B5FF4C83-FD7D-463F-B8DC-219F7EC3955D@durrant.co.uk>
	<41895C6B-2D02-4A84-9486-20D2CB236BE3@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4AD59A20.2060805@tomkershaw.com>
	<E34EE3BF-E4EA-40E6-B1E3-DCB6DCC6F2E6@gmail.com>
	<1E02A02D-57B9-46A1-985A-B186F94922E5@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<11A946EC-963D-4657-9114-88F54714BAC9@gmail.com>
	<288D2C8A-D89A-46C4-8C1E-37F8389B5149@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5E2F1535-53FE-431A-9F1F-192A695C60F4@freeflightsupplies.co.uk>

What do you mean, wanders?

Michael Woodhouse
mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk
http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/




On 14 Oct 2009, at 19:20, Simon Royal wrote:

> Steve
>
> Perhaps we could all have bluetooth or wifi implants and Mac OS11 will
> be thought controlled.
>
> Could be a bit embarrassing when you mind wanders on to naked women.
>
> Simon
>
> On 14 Oct 2009, at 19:18, Steve Batch wrote:
>
>> Yeah agreed, any repetitive task sucks with hand, voice or facial
>> gestures so I guess before they can implement any of these
>> technologies they will have to eliminate repetitive tasks first.
>>
>> Steve.
>>
>>
>> On 14 Oct 2009, at 16:13, Simon Royal wrote:
>>
>>> I couldn't cope with browsing through my photos by waving my arms
>>> around like a Nintendo Wii.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal
> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Wed Oct 14 19:36:26 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:36:26 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Will There Be A 10.5.9?
In-Reply-To: <288D2C8A-D89A-46C4-8C1E-37F8389B5149@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <E74C0270-A5CF-4710-94EF-CD3951CC33BD@simonroyal.co.uk>	<B5FF4C83-FD7D-463F-B8DC-219F7EC3955D@durrant.co.uk>
	<41895C6B-2D02-4A84-9486-20D2CB236BE3@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4AD59A20.2060805@tomkershaw.com>
	<E34EE3BF-E4EA-40E6-B1E3-DCB6DCC6F2E6@gmail.com>
	<1E02A02D-57B9-46A1-985A-B186F94922E5@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<11A946EC-963D-4657-9114-88F54714BAC9@gmail.com>
	<288D2C8A-D89A-46C4-8C1E-37F8389B5149@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BE37A95A-116D-41E7-AA75-77CE90981B02@gmail.com>


mmm naked women.

An interesting article on 3DGUI I read a while ago:

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/12/11/apple_working_on_3d_mac_os_x_user_interface_images.html

Steve.


On 14 Oct 2009, at 19:20, Simon Royal wrote:

> Steve
>
> Perhaps we could all have bluetooth or wifi implants and Mac OS11 will
> be thought controlled.
>
> Could be a bit embarrassing when you mind wanders on to naked women.
>
> Simon
>
> On 14 Oct 2009, at 19:18, Steve Batch wrote:
>
>> Yeah agreed, any repetitive task sucks with hand, voice or facial
>> gestures so I guess before they can implement any of these
>> technologies they will have to eliminate repetitive tasks first.
>>
>> Steve.
>>
>>
>> On 14 Oct 2009, at 16:13, Simon Royal wrote:
>>
>>> I couldn't cope with browsing through my photos by waving my arms
>>> around like a Nintendo Wii.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal
> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com  Wed Oct 14 20:15:02 2009
From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:15:02 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Will There Be A 10.5.9?
In-Reply-To: <BE37A95A-116D-41E7-AA75-77CE90981B02@gmail.com>
References: <E74C0270-A5CF-4710-94EF-CD3951CC33BD@simonroyal.co.uk>	<B5FF4C83-FD7D-463F-B8DC-219F7EC3955D@durrant.co.uk>
	<41895C6B-2D02-4A84-9486-20D2CB236BE3@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4AD59A20.2060805@tomkershaw.com>
	<E34EE3BF-E4EA-40E6-B1E3-DCB6DCC6F2E6@gmail.com>
	<1E02A02D-57B9-46A1-985A-B186F94922E5@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<11A946EC-963D-4657-9114-88F54714BAC9@gmail.com>
	<288D2C8A-D89A-46C4-8C1E-37F8389B5149@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<BE37A95A-116D-41E7-AA75-77CE90981B02@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <04203757-5683-4F05-80BB-84360CB8B0DE@ntlworld.com>

even my wife agrees

mmmm naked women

Kerin

On 14 Oct 2009, at 19:36, Steve Batch wrote:

>
> mmm naked women.
>
> An interesting article on 3DGUI I read a while ago:
>
> http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/12/11/apple_working_on_3d_mac_os_x_user_interface_images.html
>
> Steve.
>
>
> On 14 Oct 2009, at 19:20, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> Steve
>>
>> Perhaps we could all have bluetooth or wifi implants and Mac OS11  
>> will
>> be thought controlled.
>>
>> Could be a bit embarrassing when you mind wanders on to naked women.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> On 14 Oct 2009, at 19:18, Steve Batch wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah agreed, any repetitive task sucks with hand, voice or facial
>>> gestures so I guess before they can implement any of these
>>> technologies they will have to eliminate repetitive tasks first.
>>>
>>> Steve.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 14 Oct 2009, at 16:13, Simon Royal wrote:
>>>
>>>> I couldn't cope with browsing through my photos by waving my arms
>>>> around like a Nintendo Wii.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal
>> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
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From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Wed Oct 14 20:23:06 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 15:23:06 -0400
Subject: [NMUG] Repeat emails
In-Reply-To: <7c0f9d370910140950k3c7b57e0r7a90bd906441ac9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <p06240801c6fb772817ce@192.168.1.101>
	<7c0f9d370910140950k3c7b57e0r7a90bd906441ac9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AD6251A.1070108@stackyard.org>

A very nasty and sarcastic person might ask "When are Virgin users going 
to realize where the problem lies and switch to a proper ISP?".  I would 
NEVER, ever say such a thing, of course.

The other Ken

KEN ARNOLDI wrote:
> How fortunate you are David!I have in the family, 2 Macs and an iPod Touch,
> and sometimes I receive from Virgin,
> an email on all 3 Macs, sometimes, on 2 and sometimes only 1 - or none.
> When are Virgin going to finish their 'improvements"?
>
> Ken Arnoldi
>
>   

From bazyoungs at mac.com  Wed Oct 14 20:30:28 2009
From: bazyoungs at mac.com (Barry Youngs)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:30:28 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Repeat emails
In-Reply-To: <4AD6251A.1070108@stackyard.org>
References: <p06240801c6fb772817ce@192.168.1.101>
	<7c0f9d370910140950k3c7b57e0r7a90bd906441ac9@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AD6251A.1070108@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <B95E23AF-06F0-4D66-A0DA-BF18C88F3D42@mac.com>

Sorry but my brother is in Majorca at the moment!!!!!!!
Baz
On 14 Oct 2009, at 20:23, Ken Hamer wrote:

> A very nasty and sarcastic person might ask "When are Virgin users  
> going
> to realize where the problem lies and switch to a proper ISP?".  I  
> would
> NEVER, ever say such a thing, of course.
>
> The other Ken
>


From michelehurst at mac.com  Wed Oct 14 20:35:40 2009
From: michelehurst at mac.com (Michele Hurst)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:35:40 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] snow leopard and powerbook
Message-ID: <02BD28C3-4540-4509-9D8C-CEC73B9972E4@mac.com>

So actually when I thought of selling my powerbook and buying a  
macbook pro in the summer would have possibly been the right choice  
after all if Mac have abandoned me!!
Michele

Michele Hurst
michelehurst at mac.com




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Oct 14 20:43:34 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 20:43:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] snow leopard and powerbook
In-Reply-To: <02BD28C3-4540-4509-9D8C-CEC73B9972E4@mac.com>
References: <02BD28C3-4540-4509-9D8C-CEC73B9972E4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <081E4107-070B-4EC4-9EEF-5A58660B3DA5@simonroyal.co.uk>

Michele

Mac have not abandoned you. Mac is a product. Apple has abandoned you  
and all it's faithful PowerPC users, myself included.

At the risk of sparking another 'well they supported PowerPC for long  
enough' row, there are plenty of PowerPC users still around and those  
high end G5 owners are being penalised more than us G4 PowerBook users.

But this is progress, all be it forced progress. If you want the  
latest OS, you need the latest hardware. Hey, if you were a follower  
of the dark side, you could have a six month old PC that still  
couldn't run Vista properly.

Apple moved to Intel nearly 4 years ago and has supported both  
architectures through out Tiger and Leopard. It is now time to cut its  
losses, streamline Leopard and rebrand it Snow Leopard and push Intel  
as the way forward. PowerPC Macs can still run Leopard, a great OS. I  
know some Intel Mac users who still run Tiger, so not even those who  
can run it are running it and with the myriad of major problems with  
it so far it will put a lot of people off of upgrading just yet.

Simon

On 14 Oct 2009, at 20:35, Michele Hurst wrote:

> So actually when I thought of selling my powerbook and buying a
> macbook pro in the summer would have possibly been the right choice
> after all if Mac have abandoned me!!
> Michele
>
> Michele Hurst
> michelehurst at mac.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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. Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)









From macman at f2s.com  Wed Oct 14 21:23:40 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:23:40 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Will There Be A 10.5.9?
In-Reply-To: <BE37A95A-116D-41E7-AA75-77CE90981B02@gmail.com>
References: <E74C0270-A5CF-4710-94EF-CD3951CC33BD@simonroyal.co.uk>	<B5FF4C83-FD7D-463F-B8DC-219F7EC3955D@durrant.co.uk>
	<41895C6B-2D02-4A84-9486-20D2CB236BE3@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4AD59A20.2060805@tomkershaw.com>
	<E34EE3BF-E4EA-40E6-B1E3-DCB6DCC6F2E6@gmail.com>
	<1E02A02D-57B9-46A1-985A-B186F94922E5@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<11A946EC-963D-4657-9114-88F54714BAC9@gmail.com>
	<288D2C8A-D89A-46C4-8C1E-37F8389B5149@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<BE37A95A-116D-41E7-AA75-77CE90981B02@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C4E1D14C-2429-43C7-95CF-3041ACC8B3F4@f2s.com>

No mention of naked women there that I can see ...


Robbie


On 14 Oct 2009, at 19:36, Steve Batch wrote:


mmm naked women.

An interesting article on 3DGUI I read a while ago:

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/12/11/apple_working_on_3d_mac_os_x_user_interface_images.html

Steve.




From mghc.repps at virgin.net  Wed Oct 14 22:22:23 2009
From: mghc.repps at virgin.net (Michael Crook)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:22:23 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Duplicate messages
Message-ID: <18C06C08-FB62-4ACE-88AE-45877F094046@virgin.net>

Over a three minute period today, from 11.43 am to 11.45 am I received  
125 emails including 11 junk mails.

They were all duplicates of emails I've received over the last  
fortnight.

Yes, you've guessed it.  My ISP is Virgin!

- Michael.
14.10.09.

From david at vanedwards.co.uk  Wed Oct 14 22:48:18 2009
From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:48:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Repeat emails
In-Reply-To: <4AD6251A.1070108@stackyard.org>
References: <p06240801c6fb772817ce@192.168.1.101>
	<7c0f9d370910140950k3c7b57e0r7a90bd906441ac9@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AD6251A.1070108@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <p06240803c6fbf561ad12@[192.168.1.101]>

Dear Ken,

Ah yes, true enough but for us in Norwich the cable option is so good 
in other respects that I at least have to put up with Virgin ex-NTL.

I keep threatening them with leaving if they go ahead with signing up 
to Phorm and I've had two phonecalls on the subject from them, so 
they are clearly a little concerned about possible customer reaction. 
But seriously again the cable option is likely to keep me onboard.

But if anyone else is concerned about Phorm I'd certainly encourage 
them to complain about it to Virgin, who have "only" signed a 
provisional aggreement with Phorm!
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/02/29/phorm_roundup/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2009/jul/06/btgroup-privacy-and-the-net

Best wishes,

David



>A very nasty and sarcastic person might ask "When are Virgin users going
>to realize where the problem lies and switch to a proper ISP?".  I would
>NEVER, ever say such a thing, of course.
>
>The other Ken
>
>KEN ARNOLDI wrote:
>>  How fortunate you are David!I have in the family, 2 Macs and an iPod Touch,
>>  and sometimes I receive from Virgin,
>>  an email on all 3 Macs, sometimes, on 2 and sometimes only 1 - or none.
>>  When are Virgin going to finish their 'improvements"?
>>
>>  Ken Arnoldi
>>
>>  
>_______________________________________________
>Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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England.

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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Oct 15 11:24:40 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:24:40 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac OSX 10.7
Message-ID: <51B5E382-730B-4EC1-93A4-3B45DF550749@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

Well, Snow Leopard is with us and as usual Apple are keeping things  
under wraps, but it is time to think about the next release, 10.7?

What will it bring? Which machines will be cut out this time? What  
will it's cat name be if any?

There isn't any information on the net about it.

Windows 8 info has been around for a long time, even though Windows 7  
isn't released yet.

Simon Royal
---
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. Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)









From michelehurst at mac.com  Thu Oct 15 12:24:24 2009
From: michelehurst at mac.com (Michele Hurst)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 12:24:24 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Snow leopard for sale
Message-ID: <C02DFFA7-BE39-40AC-BD43-336D3863582A@mac.com>


Hi thanks Simon of course I suppose 5 years which is how long I have  
had my power book is not bad for a computer! Anyway I have an unused  
copy for sale if anyone wants it. Otherwise will put on eBay . Have  
also got ilfe and iWork 09.
Best wishes
Michele
Sent from Michele's iPhone 

From kevin at sanderling.co.uk  Thu Oct 15 13:34:10 2009
From: kevin at sanderling.co.uk (Kevin Allenby)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:34:10 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Various problems on my Mac Mini
Message-ID: <9c83344f0910150534g5e4ee5a9k38d620cbe485bc80@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks - wondered if anyone can shed light on any of these issues - which
all seemed to start at the same time!
Machine is a Mac Mini about 8 months old (running Leopard).

1 - one of my key programs, Dreamweaver CS4 (a genuine version I should
add!) - when opening program, it appears to open normally, but then just
closes after about 5 seconds.

2 - copy/paste using cmd C/cmd V doesn't work (always did before)

3 - I can no longer see other machines/external hard drive - they still show
in the 'shared' section but say connection failed. I am sucessfully
connecting to the internet through the ethernet/router (which should also
let me see the other machines)

I'm not aware that I've changed anything but who knows!

Any thoughts appreciated (I'd normally call in Ken Hamer, but he's away)


Thanks
Kevin

From hidunc at ntlworld.com  Thu Oct 15 15:42:53 2009
From: hidunc at ntlworld.com (J L Duncan Bradford)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:42:53 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Virgin
Message-ID: <9A984352-99C7-4936-9380-BC818EDDE3E5@ntlworld.com>

No, nothing to do with naked women, but...
Oddly, apart from it's usual message that it's offline, and demanding  
a password which I've never set up and which it eventually forgets  
about anyway, Mail seems to be getting on with Virgin better than  
ever at the mo.
My problem is getting access to my webspace.  Virgin's prerecorded  
message tells me that they are investigating a fault in the NR3  
postcode area.  Do people in NR1 - NR99 and beyond get their own  
version of the message?
Is there a way of getting rid of the 'going offline until you supply  
a non-existent password then forgetting all about it for a day or  
week' behaviour of Mail? And why is it sometimes for one account only  
- or the other account - or both?  Tried most things such as  
reinstalling from the workplace copy [which works fine, as did mine  
until about a year ago] so assume it is something Virginal.  Really  
glad I don't get multiple copies though, although they are sometimes  
a few hours out in reverse order.  Just got one timed 10.49 this  
morning, though I've had 2 from him this aft, on same computer!
Aah!  Is it something to do with mimicking Royal Mail's backlog...
Duncan




From dvg at f2s.com  Thu Oct 15 18:19:17 2009
From: dvg at f2s.com (David Gregory)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:19:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 69, Issue 32
In-Reply-To: <mailman.794.1255544947.111.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.794.1255544947.111.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <14915886-B623-4A17-97E3-F06B4174E2F7@f2s.com>


>
>
> ---------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:32:58 +0100
> From: Richard Nevill <ricnev at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] colour coded cables
> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Message-ID: <128428E8-ADA9-41F5-B262-778DB72650B6 at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
>
> On 13 Oct 2009, at 19:57, dvg at f2s.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I have started to install a Maplin ADSL/phone surface Box (A94CQ)
>> but on opening
>> the present box find the cables are coloured Black, White, Green and
>> Orange -
>> not the usual colour coding. Black and Green aren't used.
>>
>> Can anyone suggest how the colours should be connencted between
>> points 2 through
>> to 5 in the Maplin adaptor?
>>
>> David Gregory
>
>
> This site seems to tell all:
>
> http://www.telephonesuk.co.uk/wiring_info.htm
>
>
> Richard Nevill
> ricnev at mac.com
>
>
>
>
>
Richard

Thanks for this; all done and dusted

Problems sorted and a nice 20% increase in speed.

David Gregory
dvg at f2s.com



From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com  Thu Oct 15 18:19:33 2009
From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:19:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Virgin
In-Reply-To: <9A984352-99C7-4936-9380-BC818EDDE3E5@ntlworld.com>
References: <9A984352-99C7-4936-9380-BC818EDDE3E5@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <BFA3D921-1D5B-40ED-89B3-20408BFE0AEF@ntlworld.com>

Hi, just tried my freespace with Virgin (ntlworld.com) and all seems  
fine, I'm in NR1.  I don't seem to have any spam problems either, I  
have been wondering if it is working to well and I'm loosing mail  
should check it out really.
Kerin



On 15 Oct 2009, at 15:42, J L Duncan Bradford wrote:

> No, nothing to do with naked women, but...
> Oddly, apart from it's usual message that it's offline, and demanding
> a password which I've never set up and which it eventually forgets
> about anyway, Mail seems to be getting on with Virgin better than
> ever at the mo.
> My problem is getting access to my webspace.  Virgin's prerecorded
> message tells me that they are investigating a fault in the NR3
> postcode area.  Do people in NR1 - NR99 and beyond get their own
> version of the message?
> Is there a way of getting rid of the 'going offline until you supply
> a non-existent password then forgetting all about it for a day or
> week' behaviour of Mail? And why is it sometimes for one account only
> - or the other account - or both?  Tried most things such as
> reinstalling from the workplace copy [which works fine, as did mine
> until about a year ago] so assume it is something Virginal.  Really
> glad I don't get multiple copies though, although they are sometimes
> a few hours out in reverse order.  Just got one timed 10.49 this
> morning, though I've had 2 from him this aft, on same computer!
> Aah!  Is it something to do with mimicking Royal Mail's backlog...
> Duncan
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Oct 15 20:31:21 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:31:21 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhone On Watchdog
Message-ID: <BDD09488-16B1-45F1-880D-2D081F7C64C6@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

Just watched BBC Watchdog and it gave a slamming report of iPhone  
users and the so called 'coma' mode.

It appears as if your phone is on, but it doesn't accept incoming  
calls or texts. Apple released an update last week - 3.1.2 - but this  
hasn't resolved it for everyone.

Not a good picture for Apple.

Simon Royal
---
Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal 
. Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)









From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com  Thu Oct 15 20:41:50 2009
From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:41:50 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhone On Watchdog
In-Reply-To: <BDD09488-16B1-45F1-880D-2D081F7C64C6@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <BDD09488-16B1-45F1-880D-2D081F7C64C6@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <F208DD3D-5B7F-46FE-9967-D42372DC3C51@ntlworld.com>

But reading between the lines it seems to effect 3g phones with the  
update? but do the 3gs phones have the same problem.
Kerin


On 15 Oct 2009, at 20:31, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi.
>
> Just watched BBC Watchdog and it gave a slamming report of iPhone
> users and the so called 'coma' mode.
>
> It appears as if your phone is on, but it doesn't accept incoming
> calls or texts. Apple released an update last week - 3.1.2 - but this
> hasn't resolved it for everyone.
>
> Not a good picture for Apple.
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal
> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Oct 15 20:49:35 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 20:49:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhone On Watchdog
In-Reply-To: <F208DD3D-5B7F-46FE-9967-D42372DC3C51@ntlworld.com>
References: <BDD09488-16B1-45F1-880D-2D081F7C64C6@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<F208DD3D-5B7F-46FE-9967-D42372DC3C51@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <F3785056-62A7-4F62-A155-2EE6EC1785E0@simonroyal.co.uk>

Kerin

They didn't mention specific models, although one of the guys on there  
said he had had his iPhone for about six months.

Mobile phone experts (not sure what one of those is) says it could be  
down to having too many apps on the machine. Apple countered this by  
saying it can't be that as the iPhone doesn't really multi task so  
only one app runs at a time.

Whatever the problem Apple need to sort it quickly. Bad news travels  
fast - especially when the details are sketchy. All people will see is  
'iPhones don't work'.

Simon

On 15 Oct 2009, at 20:41, Kerin Westgate wrote:

> But reading between the lines it seems to effect 3g phones with the
> update? but do the 3gs phones have the same problem.
> Kerin
>
>
> On 15 Oct 2009, at 20:31, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> Just watched BBC Watchdog and it gave a slamming report of iPhone
>> users and the so called 'coma' mode.
>>
>> It appears as if your phone is on, but it doesn't accept incoming
>> calls or texts. Apple released an update last week - 3.1.2 - but this
>> hasn't resolved it for everyone.
>>
>> Not a good picture for Apple.
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal
>> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal 
. Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)









From Tgoldensection at aol.com  Fri Oct 16 10:02:19 2009
From: Tgoldensection at aol.com (Tgoldensection at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 05:02:19 EDT
Subject: [NMUG] Converting Quark files to Indesign?
Message-ID: <d1a.4d4e4ff2.3809909b@aol.com>

I have a 180 odd page catalogue currently in quark7 that, if possible  
(without too much hassle), I'd like to convert to Indesign.
 
Anyone got any tips/experience of such a task?

From kevin at sanderling.co.uk  Fri Oct 16 10:22:30 2009
From: kevin at sanderling.co.uk (Kevin Allenby)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:22:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] (Even) more probs!
Message-ID: <9c83344f0910160222h1a799b28vf0f023b7b3f0f7b3@mail.gmail.com>

To add to my previous list of woes, now realise I cannot drag and drop
either - eg between Finder windows so cannot move files about - also cannot
move icons on the desktop -  oh dear!

Kevin

From ricnev at mac.com  Fri Oct 16 10:51:48 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 10:51:48 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Various problems on my Mac Mini
In-Reply-To: <9c83344f0910150534g5e4ee5a9k38d620cbe485bc80@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9c83344f0910150534g5e4ee5a9k38d620cbe485bc80@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C25B8972-E944-4BDF-BA4A-EB7F0CD94C68@mac.com>

I am not expert enough to be able to recommend a solution to Kevin's  
problem, although I would personally try to repair disk permissions as  
a first shot.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1452?viewlocale=en_US

Does the panel think there is any value in running Repair Permissions  
in these circumstances?

Also see:

http://www.macworld.com/article/52220/2006/08/repairpermissions.html


On 15 Oct 2009, at 13:34, Kevin Allenby wrote:

> Hi folks - wondered if anyone can shed light on any of these issues  
> - which
> all seemed to start at the same time!
> Machine is a Mac Mini about 8 months old (running Leopard).
>
> 1 - one of my key programs, Dreamweaver CS4 (a genuine version I  
> should
> add!) - when opening program, it appears to open normally, but then  
> just
> closes after about 5 seconds.
>
> 2 - copy/paste using cmd C/cmd V doesn't work (always did before)
>
> 3 - I can no longer see other machines/external hard drive - they  
> still show
> in the 'shared' section but say connection failed. I am sucessfully
> connecting to the internet through the ethernet/router (which should  
> also
> let me see the other machines)
>
> I'm not aware that I've changed anything but who knows!
>
> Any thoughts appreciated (I'd normally call in Ken Hamer, but he's  
> away)
>

Also, on the 16th. October, Kevin wrote:

> To add to my previous list of woes, now realise I cannot drag and drop
> either - eg between Finder windows so cannot move files about - also  
> cannot
> move icons on the desktop -  oh dear!

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com




From phil.charnley at ntlworld.com  Fri Oct 16 20:10:20 2009
From: phil.charnley at ntlworld.com (Phil Charnley)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:10:20 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Gifs
Message-ID: <31E82F3C-1C70-432B-83B5-1A1FB9E9280A@ntlworld.com>

A little thing, but I can't work it out (and I've googled it and  
searched the forums).

I have a small animated gif file (35 frames) sent to me from a dark  
side machine. I'd like to incorporate it in a Mail signature, but how?

Phil

From paul at durrant.co.uk  Fri Oct 16 20:20:10 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:20:10 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Gifs
In-Reply-To: <31E82F3C-1C70-432B-83B5-1A1FB9E9280A@ntlworld.com>
References: <31E82F3C-1C70-432B-83B5-1A1FB9E9280A@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <04E3E21A-05A3-47CB-84DB-7E01D1B4CF16@durrant.co.uk>

Drag & Drop onto the signature window in preferences should do it.

regards,

Paul

On 16 Oct 2009, at 20:10, Phil Charnley wrote:

> A little thing, but I can't work it out (and I've googled it and
> searched the forums).
>
> I have a small animated gif file (35 frames) sent to me from a dark
> side machine. I'd like to incorporate it in a Mail signature, but how?


From penguinsplj at me.com  Fri Oct 16 21:15:49 2009
From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:15:49 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] The Apple Store is down, new Macs on the way?
Message-ID: <B4BC6DE6-5F51-4930-B02C-1241D8961D7E@me.com>

Not in the market at the moment but always interested.

Paul C

From penguinsplj at me.com  Fri Oct 16 22:05:46 2009
From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:05:46 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] The Apple Store is down, new Macs on the way?
In-Reply-To: <B4BC6DE6-5F51-4930-B02C-1241D8961D7E@me.com>
References: <B4BC6DE6-5F51-4930-B02C-1241D8961D7E@me.com>
Message-ID: <720A573C-1C29-4927-B776-03AE94C5AE62@me.com>


On Oct 16, 2009, at 21:15, Paul Chapman wrote:

> Not in the market at the moment but always interested.

Back up again with updates and the new iPods available. No new Macs.

Paul C


From phil.charnley at ntlworld.com  Fri Oct 16 22:41:24 2009
From: phil.charnley at ntlworld.com (Phil Charnley)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:41:24 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Gifs
In-Reply-To: <04E3E21A-05A3-47CB-84DB-7E01D1B4CF16@durrant.co.uk>
References: <31E82F3C-1C70-432B-83B5-1A1FB9E9280A@ntlworld.com>
	<04E3E21A-05A3-47CB-84DB-7E01D1B4CF16@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <332CBF0F-F060-418B-B0A7-0A05FB06918D@ntlworld.com>

Nope, can't get that to work, Paul.
Have tried every flavour of drag & drop, cut, copy & paste into the  
signature window that I can think of but it does no more than copy a  
single image/frame.
I can copy the frames in one at a time but all I get is a series of  
frames in the finished e mail
The gif doesn't work in Mail at all, even on the email I received from  
the dark side.
I can only open it in Safari, though oddly it works fine on the iPhone.
Its a trivial issue, but annoying.
I've even tried downloading a new gif and copying into the signature  
window to no avail
<sigh>

Phil



On 16 Oct 2009, at 20:20, Paul Durrant wrote:

> Drag & Drop onto the signature window in preferences should do it.
>
> regards,
>
> Paul
>
> On 16 Oct 2009, at 20:10, Phil Charnley wrote:
>
>> A little thing, but I can't work it out (and I've googled it and
>> searched the forums).
>>
>> I have a small animated gif file (35 frames) sent to me from a dark
>> side machine. I'd like to incorporate it in a Mail signature, but  
>> how?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Fri Oct 16 23:03:48 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 23:03:48 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Gifs
In-Reply-To: <332CBF0F-F060-418B-B0A7-0A05FB06918D@ntlworld.com>
References: <31E82F3C-1C70-432B-83B5-1A1FB9E9280A@ntlworld.com>
	<04E3E21A-05A3-47CB-84DB-7E01D1B4CF16@durrant.co.uk>
	<332CBF0F-F060-418B-B0A7-0A05FB06918D@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <E1DB8FC5-7653-440D-8B42-D49AE946040E@durrant.co.uk>

Ah - so the problem is the animated gif, not pictures in the  
signature. Sorry. Hmm....


OK, having checked with an animated GIF, I can tell you that dragging  
and dropping into the signature /does/ work. It's just that Apple Mail  
won't animate the GIF. If you send yourself a test message using the  
signature with the animated gif, the gif will just display with the  
first cell of the animation. But right click on it and select "Open  
With/Safari" and you'll see the gif play.

So it's just possible that recipients who aren't using Apple Mail  
might see the animation, depending on whether their mail client plays  
embedded animated gifs.

regards,

Paul




On 16 Oct 2009, at 22:41, Phil Charnley wrote:

> Nope, can't get that to work, Paul.
> Have tried every flavour of drag & drop, cut, copy & paste into the
> signature window that I can think of but it does no more than copy a
> single image/frame.
> I can copy the frames in one at a time but all I get is a series of
> frames in the finished e mail
> The gif doesn't work in Mail at all, even on the email I received from
> the dark side.
> I can only open it in Safari, though oddly it works fine on the  
> iPhone.
> Its a trivial issue, but annoying.
> I've even tried downloading a new gif and copying into the signature
> window to no avail
>
> On 16 Oct 2009, at 20:20, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
>> Drag & Drop onto the signature window in preferences should do it.
>>
>>
>> On 16 Oct 2009, at 20:10, Phil Charnley wrote:
>>
>>> A little thing, but I can't work it out (and I've googled it and
>>> searched the forums).
>>>
>>> I have a small animated gif file (35 frames) sent to me from a dark
>>> side machine. I'd like to incorporate it in a Mail signature, but
>>> how?


From jeremyknight at mac.com  Sat Oct 17 09:32:26 2009
From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:32:26 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] help with german -please
In-Reply-To: <E34EE3BF-E4EA-40E6-B1E3-DCB6DCC6F2E6@gmail.com>
References: <E74C0270-A5CF-4710-94EF-CD3951CC33BD@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<B5FF4C83-FD7D-463F-B8DC-219F7EC3955D@durrant.co.uk>
	<41895C6B-2D02-4A84-9486-20D2CB236BE3@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4AD59A20.2060805@tomkershaw.com>
	<E34EE3BF-E4EA-40E6-B1E3-DCB6DCC6F2E6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <857C6E5A-8BBB-4162-AFC6-F2DB3DE8975E@mac.com>


Morning All,
  My wife has started an OU course  in German.
She would like the answers to two questions please.
1. How does she get a german keyboard with the accents?
2. She has to submit spoken text. with something called eliminator live.
For a mac they specifically recommend not using the built  in  
Microphone, or the mini jack,
But using a USB connection..Do the members have any recommendations  
please?
jeremy


From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Sat Oct 17 09:53:02 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 09:53:02 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] help with german -please
In-Reply-To: <857C6E5A-8BBB-4162-AFC6-F2DB3DE8975E@mac.com>
References: <E74C0270-A5CF-4710-94EF-CD3951CC33BD@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<B5FF4C83-FD7D-463F-B8DC-219F7EC3955D@durrant.co.uk>
	<41895C6B-2D02-4A84-9486-20D2CB236BE3@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4AD59A20.2060805@tomkershaw.com>
	<E34EE3BF-E4EA-40E6-B1E3-DCB6DCC6F2E6@gmail.com>
	<857C6E5A-8BBB-4162-AFC6-F2DB3DE8975E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <FBA188A7-726C-4777-9EB3-3ECC719A43AE@gmail.com>

Hi,

Open 'System Preferences' then click on 'Language & Text', select the  
'Input Sources' tab, scroll down and tick the box for German.

Now go to 'System Preferences' and 'Keyboard', place a tick in the box  
next to 'Show Keyboard... in menu bar'.

Now you have a little flag in your menu bar (top right), click on the  
flag and select 'German', then click on the flag and select 'Show  
Keyboard Viewer'.
	
Ta da, a German keyboard with the accents.

Steve.


On 17 Oct 2009, at 09:32, jeremy knight wrote:

> 1. How does she get a german keyboard with the accents?


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sat Oct 17 10:13:15 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:13:15 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] help with german -please
In-Reply-To: <857C6E5A-8BBB-4162-AFC6-F2DB3DE8975E@mac.com>
References: <E74C0270-A5CF-4710-94EF-CD3951CC33BD@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<B5FF4C83-FD7D-463F-B8DC-219F7EC3955D@durrant.co.uk>
	<41895C6B-2D02-4A84-9486-20D2CB236BE3@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4AD59A20.2060805@tomkershaw.com>
	<E34EE3BF-E4EA-40E6-B1E3-DCB6DCC6F2E6@gmail.com>
	<857C6E5A-8BBB-4162-AFC6-F2DB3DE8975E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BB05849D-F669-4AE2-BE19-CFF05DDCC000@durrant.co.uk>

If she wants a physical keyboard, just order from Apple, there are two  
wired versions, and one bluetooth version:

http://store.apple.com/uk/product/MB110D/A?fnode=MTY1NDA1Mg&mco=MTE0MDIzOTU
http://store.apple.com/uk/product/MB869D/A?fnode=MTY1NDA1Mg&mco=MTE0NDAwMzI
http://store.apple.com/uk/product/MB167D/A?fnode=MTY1NDA1Mg&mco=MTE0Mzk1MDQ

If she wants to learn to touch-type on a German keyboard, switch the  
the German layout using Steve's instructions.

But if she just needs to type German text, the accents are all already  
available on the keyboard.

? - type alt-s
umlaut, e.g. ? - type alt-u and then the character
circumflex, e.g. ? - type alt-i and then the character
acute, e.g. ? - type alt-e and then the character
grave, e.g. ? - type alt-` and then the character



For the microphone, I'd suggest the Griffin iMic

http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/product/9326-griffin-imic-2-usb-audio-interface.html

You /can/ record through the 3.5mm input, but you need a microphone  
that outputs a line-level signal - i.e. a built-in pre-amp. (Or a  
separate pre-amp, of course.) If you have one handy, that's fine, but  
otherwise the iMic is likely to be a lot cheaper.

regards,

Paul

On 17 Oct 2009, at 09:32, jeremy knight wrote:
> 1. How does she get a german keyboard with the accents?
> 2. She has to submit spoken text. with something called eliminator  
> live.
> For a mac they specifically recommend not using the built  in
> Microphone, or the mini jack,
> But using a USB connection..Do the members have any recommendations
> please?


From rrandlesome at mac.com  Sat Oct 17 10:12:49 2009
From: rrandlesome at mac.com (Richard Randlesome)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:12:49 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] help with german -please
In-Reply-To: <857C6E5A-8BBB-4162-AFC6-F2DB3DE8975E@mac.com>
References: <E74C0270-A5CF-4710-94EF-CD3951CC33BD@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<B5FF4C83-FD7D-463F-B8DC-219F7EC3955D@durrant.co.uk>
	<41895C6B-2D02-4A84-9486-20D2CB236BE3@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4AD59A20.2060805@tomkershaw.com>
	<E34EE3BF-E4EA-40E6-B1E3-DCB6DCC6F2E6@gmail.com>
	<857C6E5A-8BBB-4162-AFC6-F2DB3DE8975E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <68D9E054-850A-437C-AA78-1DB08420E0D9@mac.com>

Jeremy

2. Try a Griffin iMic, these plug in to a usb port you then plug a  
mic into the iMic.

I use mine to plug a guitar into garageband works well.

Hope this helps.

Regards

Richard

E-mail: rrandlesome at mac.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/rrandlesome




On 17 Oct 2009, at 09:32, jeremy knight wrote:

>
> Morning All,
>   My wife has started an OU course  in German.
> She would like the answers to two questions please.
> 1. How does she get a german keyboard with the accents?
> 2. She has to submit spoken text. with something called eliminator  
> live.
> For a mac they specifically recommend not using the built  in
> Microphone, or the mini jack,
> But using a USB connection..Do the members have any recommendations
> please?
> jeremy
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ 
> listinfo/nmug


From djpbet at polbet.co.uk  Sat Oct 17 11:08:05 2009
From: djpbet at polbet.co.uk (Betty Pooley)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 11:08:05 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] new member
Message-ID: <E9352AEB99A74E04BF8E73E091E7080D@BettyPC>

Good morning

New to the Mac family, I am having downloading my itunes library from windows to the mac. 
In desperation I have decided to get an external hard drive.  I know I must have one with (firewire?)   Can you suggest the  best for my needs?    I will keep it specifically for itunes and photos. 

Many thanks

Betty Pooley 

From jeremyknight at mac.com  Sat Oct 17 12:04:36 2009
From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:04:36 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] help with german -One more please
In-Reply-To: <68D9E054-850A-437C-AA78-1DB08420E0D9@mac.com>
References: <E74C0270-A5CF-4710-94EF-CD3951CC33BD@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<B5FF4C83-FD7D-463F-B8DC-219F7EC3955D@durrant.co.uk>
	<41895C6B-2D02-4A84-9486-20D2CB236BE3@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4AD59A20.2060805@tomkershaw.com>
	<E34EE3BF-E4EA-40E6-B1E3-DCB6DCC6F2E6@gmail.com>
	<857C6E5A-8BBB-4162-AFC6-F2DB3DE8975E@mac.com>
	<68D9E054-850A-437C-AA78-1DB08420E0D9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <24344D6F-1609-49EC-B981-093CA021D35A@mac.com>

Thank you everyone for your excellent answers.
One more question apparently My wife will be doing real time talking.  
What headset would members recommend please?
good cheaper is preferred to good expensive!
jeremy

From phil.charnley at ntlworld.com  Sat Oct 17 12:32:05 2009
From: phil.charnley at ntlworld.com (Phil Charnley)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:32:05 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Gifs
In-Reply-To: <E1DB8FC5-7653-440D-8B42-D49AE946040E@durrant.co.uk>
References: <31E82F3C-1C70-432B-83B5-1A1FB9E9280A@ntlworld.com>
	<04E3E21A-05A3-47CB-84DB-7E01D1B4CF16@durrant.co.uk>
	<332CBF0F-F060-418B-B0A7-0A05FB06918D@ntlworld.com>
	<E1DB8FC5-7653-440D-8B42-D49AE946040E@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <E38BE9E1-38D4-4220-B8D1-A287839DEB00@ntlworld.com>

Thanks Paul.
That's about how far I'd got, but it's good to have it confirmed.
Phil
On 16 Oct 2009, at 23:03:48, Paul Durrant wrote:

> Ah - so the problem is the animated gif, not pictures in the
> signature. Sorry. Hmm....
>
>
> OK, having checked with an animated GIF, I can tell you that dragging
> and dropping into the signature /does/ work. It's just that Apple Mail
> won't animate the GIF. If you send yourself a test message using the
> signature with the animated gif, the gif will just display with the
> first cell of the animation. But right click on it and select "Open
> With/Safari" and you'll see the gif play.
>
> So it's just possible that recipients who aren't using Apple Mail
> might see the animation, depending on whether their mail client plays
> embedded animated gifs.
>
> regards,
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
> On 16 Oct 2009, at 22:41, Phil Charnley wrote:
>
>> Nope, can't get that to work, Paul.
>> Have tried every flavour of drag & drop, cut, copy & paste into the
>> signature window that I can think of but it does no more than copy a
>> single image/frame.
>> I can copy the frames in one at a time but all I get is a series of
>> frames in the finished e mail
>> The gif doesn't work in Mail at all, even on the email I received  
>> from
>> the dark side.
>> I can only open it in Safari, though oddly it works fine on the
>> iPhone.
>> Its a trivial issue, but annoying.
>> I've even tried downloading a new gif and copying into the signature
>> window to no avail
>>
>> On 16 Oct 2009, at 20:20, Paul Durrant wrote:
>>
>>> Drag & Drop onto the signature window in preferences should do it.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16 Oct 2009, at 20:10, Phil Charnley wrote:
>>>
>>>> A little thing, but I can't work it out (and I've googled it and
>>>> searched the forums).
>>>>
>>>> I have a small animated gif file (35 frames) sent to me from a dark
>>>> side machine. I'd like to incorporate it in a Mail signature, but
>>>> how?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


From ricnev at mac.com  Sat Oct 17 12:35:04 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:35:04 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] help with german -One more please
In-Reply-To: <24344D6F-1609-49EC-B981-093CA021D35A@mac.com>
References: <E74C0270-A5CF-4710-94EF-CD3951CC33BD@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<B5FF4C83-FD7D-463F-B8DC-219F7EC3955D@durrant.co.uk>
	<41895C6B-2D02-4A84-9486-20D2CB236BE3@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4AD59A20.2060805@tomkershaw.com>
	<E34EE3BF-E4EA-40E6-B1E3-DCB6DCC6F2E6@gmail.com>
	<857C6E5A-8BBB-4162-AFC6-F2DB3DE8975E@mac.com>
	<68D9E054-850A-437C-AA78-1DB08420E0D9@mac.com>
	<24344D6F-1609-49EC-B981-093CA021D35A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <EFF2B3FF-311F-4329-88A4-BBDB76F281D0@mac.com>

Ahh... this is now a whole new ballpark!

This new factor now allows me to recommend a very good overall  
solution , and that is to use the excellent Logitech Clearchat PC  
Wireless headset.

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/webcam_communications/internet_headsets_phones/devices/4226&cl=gb,en

This headset is very comfortable to use and being wireless it means  
that one can wander around whist dictating.

Not the cheapest headset out there, but you now don't need the Griffin  
iMike.

If you shop around you should get it for around 60 pounds or so.

It is important to be prepared to pay for comfort with things like  
this. especially when trying to educate yourself.


On 17 Oct 2009, at 12:04, jeremy knight wrote:

> Thank you everyone for your excellent answers.
> One more question apparently My wife will be doing real time talking.
> What headset would members recommend please?
> good cheaper is preferred to good expensive!
> jeremy
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com




From yahooist at anyisle.com  Sat Oct 17 12:51:31 2009
From: yahooist at anyisle.com (Neil S.)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 12:51:31 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] new member
In-Reply-To: <E9352AEB99A74E04BF8E73E091E7080D@BettyPC>
References: <E9352AEB99A74E04BF8E73E091E7080D@BettyPC>
Message-ID: <604DBA4E-553C-47D7-AF3E-9E2EF60D0EEA@anyisle.com>

Hi Betty,

	Welcome.

	I recently upgraded to Leopard and wanted to take advantage of Time  
Machine. I bought a "Seagate 1TB FreeAgent Mac 7200RPM USB/FW800 3.5"  
SILVER" from Dabs (Quicklinx : 57QFWS) and it is terrific. It is  
Firewire and USB and I have three partitions on it.

1.	Purely an duplicate OS X  in case the disk in my iMac fails and I  
need to boot the thing.
2.	A Time Machine partition
3.	Currently unused, but for further storage in future.

	It also looks great, it is quiet and has power saving linked to that  
of the Mac.

Regards...
Neil


On 17 Oct 2009, at 11:08, Betty Pooley wrote:

> Good morning
>
> New to the Mac family, I am having downloading my itunes library  
> from windows to the mac.
> In desperation I have decided to get an external hard drive.  I know  
> I must have one with (firewire?)   Can you suggest the  best for my  
> needs?    I will keep it specifically for itunes and photos.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Betty Pooley

--
Neil Stevens
Sent from my ? iMac G5




From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sat Oct 17 13:02:11 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 13:02:11 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] new member
In-Reply-To: <E9352AEB99A74E04BF8E73E091E7080D@BettyPC>
References: <E9352AEB99A74E04BF8E73E091E7080D@BettyPC>
Message-ID: <0016C5CC-13BB-44E9-8619-EC04FEEBD4FE@durrant.co.uk>

If your iTunes Library isn't too big, doing a backup to DVD-R on your  
windows machine and then a restore from the DVD-Rs to the Mac should  
work very well.

If you have a /big/ iTunes library, this seems a good guide to doing  
it via external hard disk:

http://lifehacker.com/software/itunes/geek-to-live--how-to-move-an-itunes-library-from-a-pc-to-mac-and-back-242468.php

regards,

Paul

On 17 Oct 2009, at 11:08, Betty Pooley wrote:
> New to the Mac family, I am having downloading my itunes library  
> from windows to the mac.
> In desperation I have decided to get an external hard drive.  I know  
> I must have one with (firewire?)   Can you suggest the  best for my  
> needs?    I will keep it specifically for itunes and photos.


From djpbet at polbet.co.uk  Sat Oct 17 13:42:47 2009
From: djpbet at polbet.co.uk (Betty Pooley)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 13:42:47 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] new member
In-Reply-To: <0016C5CC-13BB-44E9-8619-EC04FEEBD4FE@durrant.co.uk>
References: <E9352AEB99A74E04BF8E73E091E7080D@BettyPC>
	<0016C5CC-13BB-44E9-8619-EC04FEEBD4FE@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <D1C22D3081384F93B9263E0DC1BD4EA5@BettyPC>

This is brilliant Paul..Thanks so much.   This I will do.

Betty
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Durrant" <paul at durrant.co.uk>
To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [NMUG] new member


> If your iTunes Library isn't too big, doing a backup to DVD-R on your
> windows machine and then a restore from the DVD-Rs to the Mac should
> work very well.
>
> If you have a /big/ iTunes library, this seems a good guide to doing
> it via external hard disk:
>
> http://lifehacker.com/software/itunes/geek-to-live--how-to-move-an-itunes-library-from-a-pc-to-mac-and-back-242468.php
>
> regards,
>
> Paul
>
> On 17 Oct 2009, at 11:08, Betty Pooley wrote:
>> New to the Mac family, I am having downloading my itunes library
>> from windows to the mac.
>> In desperation I have decided to get an external hard drive.  I know
>> I must have one with (firewire?)   Can you suggest the  best for my
>> needs?    I will keep it specifically for itunes and photos.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Manage your subscription at: 
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
> 



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sat Oct 17 14:45:29 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:45:29 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] [OT] mail tests - help wanted
Message-ID: <064D2FC5-948F-42DC-B71C-1C3651B8D616@durrant.co.uk>

I'd me most grateful if someone could send test emails to the  
following addresses:

paul at durrantpublishing.co.uk
editor at durrantpublishing.co.uk
editor at durrantpublishing.com

Thanks!

Paul


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat Oct 17 14:50:19 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:50:19 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] [OT] mail tests - help wanted
In-Reply-To: <064D2FC5-948F-42DC-B71C-1C3651B8D616@durrant.co.uk>
References: <064D2FC5-948F-42DC-B71C-1C3651B8D616@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <F9F46F47-9DBC-4FE8-A692-3A7B9A61F6CF@simonroyal.co.uk>

Paul

Done.

Simon

On 17 Oct 2009, at 14:45, Paul Durrant wrote:

> I'd me most grateful if someone could send test emails to the
> following addresses:
>
> paul at durrantpublishing.co.uk
> editor at durrantpublishing.co.uk
> editor at durrantpublishing.com
>
> Thanks!
>
> Paul
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
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. Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)









From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sat Oct 17 14:56:15 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 14:56:15 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] [OT] mail tests - help wanted
In-Reply-To: <064D2FC5-948F-42DC-B71C-1C3651B8D616@durrant.co.uk>
References: <064D2FC5-948F-42DC-B71C-1C3651B8D616@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <87B61197-8544-49CD-8657-CC3E772E592D@durrant.co.uk>

Thanks to Richard, Rob and Simon for such a swift response. It looks  
like the email redirection of those addresses is working fine.

No more test messages required!
On 17 Oct 2009, at 14:45, Paul Durrant wrote:

> I'd me most grateful if someone could send test emails to the
> following addresses:
>
> paul at durrantpublishing.co.uk
> editor at durrantpublishing.co.uk
> editor at durrantpublishing.com
>


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sat Oct 17 15:03:22 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:03:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] MobileMe, Websites and Paypal buttons
Message-ID: <75C74635-2C2D-4C43-AF05-30C3AE0F83BD@durrant.co.uk>

Has anyone on the list got any experience with setting up Paypal  
payments on a MobileMe web site? I'm looking into selling ebooks  
directly, and PayPal seems the way to go initially, but the  
documentation on how to set it up is complex. If anyone has done this  
already, I'd appreciate advice.

regards,

Paul


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sat Oct 17 15:11:03 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:11:03 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] [OT] mail tests - help wanted
In-Reply-To: <87B61197-8544-49CD-8657-CC3E772E592D@durrant.co.uk>
References: <064D2FC5-948F-42DC-B71C-1C3651B8D616@durrant.co.uk>
	<87B61197-8544-49CD-8657-CC3E772E592D@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5CD1F812-F1D5-45F6-89C0-3338E2F1ADE4@durrant.co.uk>

And thanks also to Min and Kerin.

Paul

On 17 Oct 2009, at 14:56, Paul Durrant wrote:

> Thanks to Richard, Rob and Simon for such a swift response. It looks
> like the email redirection of those addresses is working fine.
>
> No more test messages required!
> On 17 Oct 2009, at 14:45, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
>> I'd me most grateful if someone could send test emails to the
>> following addresses:
>>
>> paul at durrantpublishing.co.uk
>> editor at durrantpublishing.co.uk
>> editor at durrantpublishing.com


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sat Oct 17 15:12:02 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 15:12:02 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New list email address
Message-ID: <B93C40DA-A778-48A5-96A2-B7E3BEF3AAD9@durrant.co.uk>

Some of you may have noticed that my last two messages to the list  
were sent to a new address:

nmug at nmug.org.uk

Yes, at long last I've tweaked the DNS records and the server, so that  
messages to the NMUG mailing list can be sent to an nmug.org.uk address.

The old address will continue to work for the foreseeable future, but  
in case it ever happens that we need to switch the mailing list to a  
different server, it would be a good idea to start sending messages to  
the new address now.

regards,

Paul
NMUG listmaster

From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sat Oct 17 16:10:16 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:10:16 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New list email address
In-Reply-To: <B93C40DA-A778-48A5-96A2-B7E3BEF3AAD9@durrant.co.uk>
References: <B93C40DA-A778-48A5-96A2-B7E3BEF3AAD9@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <F40E5393-A079-4BD8-9541-0CBBFA074377@durrant.co.uk>

And thanks to Richard Nevill's sharp eyes, the footer to messages  
should now also have the correct address - and the Reply-To: header  
should be correct as well!

regards,

Paul

On 17 Oct 2009, at 15:12, Paul Durrant wrote:

> Some of you may have noticed that my last two messages to the list
> were sent to a new address:
>
> nmug at nmug.org.uk
>
> Yes, at long last I've tweaked the DNS records and the server, so that
> messages to the NMUG mailing list can be sent to an nmug.org.uk  
> address.
>
> The old address will continue to work for the foreseeable future, but
> in case it ever happens that we need to switch the mailing list to a
> different server, it would be a good idea to start sending messages to
> the new address now.


From turrethouse at talktalk.net  Sat Oct 17 16:44:11 2009
From: turrethouse at talktalk.net (hugh morgan)
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2009 16:44:11 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] address change
Message-ID: <a06240807c6ff969b0dec@[192.168.1.2]>

duly noted!   Hugh

From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Oct 18 10:53:09 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 10:53:09 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Free High Spec PC
Message-ID: <92F6F5A3-15F8-4C83-9072-2C5769806070@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

I just built my wife a good high spec PC out of parts I had given to  
me. After getting it up and running I sat and thought, this would  
never happen in the Mac world.

It is a 2.66Ghz Pentium 4 with 1.25GB of RAM, 64MB graphics card,  
built in LAN, 4x USB 2.0 ports, 4x USB 1.1 ports, DVDRW and DVD-ROM  
drives and currently Windows XP Home installed. It is running on a 15"  
TFT monitor, which I also got for free.

That is a pretty decent spec machine. And to pay nothing for it makes  
it even more high spec.

It still hasn't made me wanna switch, or build one for myself to  
replace my old G4 PowerBook even though it wipes the floor with it  
when doing anything processor intensive.

A machine of that spec in the Mac world would cost about ?200. It just  
shows the price gap between Mac and Windows is still there.


Simon Royal
---
Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal 
. Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)









From munkt0n at gmail.com  Sun Oct 18 11:42:07 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 11:42:07 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Free High Spec PC
In-Reply-To: <92F6F5A3-15F8-4C83-9072-2C5769806070@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <92F6F5A3-15F8-4C83-9072-2C5769806070@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0910180342v6b37baebqb218996fa6dbebe@mail.gmail.com>

it's all about the build quality, sure you can knock up a really
powerful PC for next to nothing but it'll sound like a hovercraft and
probably rattle like a tin shed in a hurricane.

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I just built my wife a good high spec PC out of parts I had given to
> me. After getting it up and running I sat and thought, this would
> never happen in the Mac world.
>
> It is a 2.66Ghz Pentium 4 with 1.25GB of RAM, 64MB graphics card,
> built in LAN, 4x USB 2.0 ports, 4x USB 1.1 ports, DVDRW and DVD-ROM
> drives and currently Windows XP Home installed. It is running on a 15"
> TFT monitor, which I also got for free.
>
> That is a pretty decent spec machine. And to pay nothing for it makes
> it even more high spec.
>
> It still hasn't made me wanna switch, or build one for myself to
> replace my old G4 PowerBook even though it wipes the floor with it
> when doing anything processor intensive.
>
> A machine of that spec in the Mac world would cost about ?200. It just
> shows the price gap between Mac and Windows is still there.
>
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal
> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Oct 18 12:09:17 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:09:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Free High Spec PC
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0910180342v6b37baebqb218996fa6dbebe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <92F6F5A3-15F8-4C83-9072-2C5769806070@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0910180342v6b37baebqb218996fa6dbebe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA03A385-7848-4432-B57B-50B00EC3527A@simonroyal.co.uk>

Scott

It is as quiet as a mouse. It has two massive cooling fans, but you  
don't hear them.

It is virtually silent. I don't build rubbish. I hate it when you  
start up a computer PC or Mac and it sound you are on a runway.

Simon

On 18 Oct 2009, at 11:42, Scott Matthews wrote:

> it's all about the build quality, sure you can knock up a really
> powerful PC for next to nothing but it'll sound like a hovercraft and
> probably rattle like a tin shed in a hurricane.
>
> On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Simon Royal  
> <mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> I just built my wife a good high spec PC out of parts I had given to
>> me. After getting it up and running I sat and thought, this would
>> never happen in the Mac world.
>>
>> It is a 2.66Ghz Pentium 4 with 1.25GB of RAM, 64MB graphics card,
>> built in LAN, 4x USB 2.0 ports, 4x USB 1.1 ports, DVDRW and DVD-ROM
>> drives and currently Windows XP Home installed. It is running on a  
>> 15"
>> TFT monitor, which I also got for free.
>>
>> That is a pretty decent spec machine. And to pay nothing for it makes
>> it even more high spec.
>>
>> It still hasn't made me wanna switch, or build one for myself to
>> replace my old G4 PowerBook even though it wipes the floor with it
>> when doing anything processor intensive.
>>
>> A machine of that spec in the Mac world would cost about ?200. It  
>> just
>> shows the price gap between Mac and Windows is still there.
>>
>>
>> Simon Royal
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>> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Sun Oct 18 12:19:27 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:19:27 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Free High Spec PC
In-Reply-To: <92F6F5A3-15F8-4C83-9072-2C5769806070@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <92F6F5A3-15F8-4C83-9072-2C5769806070@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <344FCEE5-240D-4A61-89D5-32828C0B02D4@gmail.com>

Nothing is free, when it becomes virus infested it will eat your soul  
and make you wish you spent ?200 on a Mac

:p

Steve.


On 18 Oct 2009, at 10:53, Simon Royal wrote:

> That is a pretty decent spec machine. And to pay nothing for it makes
> it even more high spec.


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Oct 18 12:32:04 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:32:04 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Free High Spec PC
In-Reply-To: <344FCEE5-240D-4A61-89D5-32828C0B02D4@gmail.com>
References: <92F6F5A3-15F8-4C83-9072-2C5769806070@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<344FCEE5-240D-4A61-89D5-32828C0B02D4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37FBB0AA-4B5A-4A3A-8EC1-F1B5E5A94EBE@simonroyal.co.uk>

Steve

I love Macs, but it does make me laugh when Mac fans pull the virus  
card out to slap Windows users with.

I've had Windows machines on and off for about 17 years, everything  
from Windows 3.11 up to Windows 7 RC and in that time only had about 3  
viruses, one of which was fatal. Good virus protection - which you can  
get for free like AVG and common sense prevents viruses.

My wife has a Windows machine, my two sons have Windows machines. I've  
just built this new one. I have had no problems with them. My mum has  
Windows machines and she has never had a virus. My best mate has two  
Windows machines and he recently got some nasty viruses that took down  
both his machines. Why? Well, he might have had virus protection  
installed but he never bothered to update it.

OK, so you don't have to worry about it on a Mac, but if it is set up  
correctly on a Windows machine, then you don't really need to worry  
about it either.

And for the record, I won't be using the new PC anyway. Decision time.  
A 2.66Ghz P4 Windows machine vs an 867Mhz G4 Mac. No contest. I would  
take the Mac everytime. My PowerBook might be old, but it manages fine  
and for day-to-day work, web browsing, emailing, writing etc... it  
handles just as well as a high powered machine.

Simon

On 18 Oct 2009, at 12:19, Steve Batch wrote:

> Nothing is free, when it becomes virus infested it will eat your soul
> and make you wish you spent ?200 on a Mac
>
> :p
>
> Steve.
>
>
> On 18 Oct 2009, at 10:53, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> That is a pretty decent spec machine. And to pay nothing for it makes
>> it even more high spec.
>
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From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Sun Oct 18 12:51:10 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 12:51:10 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Free High Spec PC
In-Reply-To: <37FBB0AA-4B5A-4A3A-8EC1-F1B5E5A94EBE@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <92F6F5A3-15F8-4C83-9072-2C5769806070@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<344FCEE5-240D-4A61-89D5-32828C0B02D4@gmail.com>
	<37FBB0AA-4B5A-4A3A-8EC1-F1B5E5A94EBE@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <B6F1D4FD-2EE1-416C-A4AB-F0670BF14ECA@gmail.com>


Simon,
I was kidding with the virus comment, I know you are more than capable  
of taking precautions.

However, you are probably going to get taken off Steve Jobs' Christmas  
card list though.

Steve.


On 18 Oct 2009, at 12:32, Simon Royal wrote:

> Steve
>
> I love Macs, but it does make me laugh when Mac fans pull the virus
> card out to slap Windows users with.
>
> I've had Windows machines on and off for about 17 years, everything
> from Windows 3.11 up to Windows 7 RC and in that time only had about 3
> viruses, one of which was fatal. Good virus protection - which you can
> get for free like AVG and common sense prevents viruses.
>
> My wife has a Windows machine, my two sons have Windows machines. I've
> just built this new one. I have had no problems with them. My mum has
> Windows machines and she has never had a virus. My best mate has two
> Windows machines and he recently got some nasty viruses that took down
> both his machines. Why? Well, he might have had virus protection
> installed but he never bothered to update it.
>
> OK, so you don't have to worry about it on a Mac, but if it is set up
> correctly on a Windows machine, then you don't really need to worry
> about it either.
>
> And for the record, I won't be using the new PC anyway. Decision time.
> A 2.66Ghz P4 Windows machine vs an 867Mhz G4 Mac. No contest. I would
> take the Mac everytime. My PowerBook might be old, but it manages fine
> and for day-to-day work, web browsing, emailing, writing etc... it
> handles just as well as a high powered machine.
>
> Simon
>
> On 18 Oct 2009, at 12:19, Steve Batch wrote:
>
>> Nothing is free, when it becomes virus infested it will eat your soul
>> and make you wish you spent ?200 on a Mac
>>
>> :p
>>
>> Steve.
>>
>>
>> On 18 Oct 2009, at 10:53, Simon Royal wrote:
>>
>>> That is a pretty decent spec machine. And to pay nothing for it  
>>> makes
>>> it even more high spec.
>>
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> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)
>
>
>
>
>
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Oct 18 13:19:19 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 13:19:19 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Free High Spec PC
In-Reply-To: <B6F1D4FD-2EE1-416C-A4AB-F0670BF14ECA@gmail.com>
References: <92F6F5A3-15F8-4C83-9072-2C5769806070@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<344FCEE5-240D-4A61-89D5-32828C0B02D4@gmail.com>
	<37FBB0AA-4B5A-4A3A-8EC1-F1B5E5A94EBE@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<B6F1D4FD-2EE1-416C-A4AB-F0670BF14ECA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <11A6994B-89BB-4DE2-AAA3-C673A1BF5359@simonroyal.co.uk>

Steve

Oh no. Really?

I have just thrown all of the Windows machines out of... well... the  
window and watched as they smashed on the floor below.

Now I am going off up stairs for some 'Mac time'.

:)

Simon

PS. Steve J, I hope you are reading this.

On 18 Oct 2009, at 12:51, Steve Batch wrote:

> However, you are probably going to get taken off Steve Jobs' Christmas
> card list though.

Simon Royal
---
Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal 
. Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)









From kelvinyoungs at mac.com  Sun Oct 18 17:02:22 2009
From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:02:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Numbers
Message-ID: <E537BE03-6611-4C5B-8AFF-D9E2D2A626C0@mac.com>

Any ideas how I can generate some numbers?

Explanation - I have to allocate a series of numbers to place next to  
products that we will shortly be selling as downloads on our website  
and I have to have a part number for each sale.
Pain in the b.. to do it manually ? anyone have a solution to this?

Kelvin

http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sun Oct 18 18:29:32 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:29:32 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Numbers
In-Reply-To: <E537BE03-6611-4C5B-8AFF-D9E2D2A626C0@mac.com>
References: <E537BE03-6611-4C5B-8AFF-D9E2D2A626C0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <90306705-C948-450E-96E1-77AD863FFB85@durrant.co.uk>

Don't forget to add a checksum digit to the part numbers when you do  
generate them. You don't want people ordering the wrong thing through  
a typo, and a checsum digit catches most typos in part numbers.

As for generating them - I would have thought it should be possible to  
generate a list with a spreadsheet.

regards,

Paul

On 18 Oct 2009, at 17:02, Kelvin Youngs wrote:

> Any ideas how I can generate some numbers?
>
> Explanation - I have to allocate a series of numbers to place next to
> products that we will shortly be selling as downloads on our website
> and I have to have a part number for each sale.
> Pain in the b.. to do it manually ? anyone have a solution to this?


From sc at davidviner.com  Sun Oct 18 18:45:59 2009
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:45:59 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Numbers
In-Reply-To: <E537BE03-6611-4C5B-8AFF-D9E2D2A626C0@mac.com>
References: <E537BE03-6611-4C5B-8AFF-D9E2D2A626C0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4ADB5457.80603@davidviner.com>

Kelvin

Another solution is if your web site can run PHP or (ugh) ASP. If it can 
then it's very easy to generate a sequential set of numbers via a loop - 
it is also quite easy to do a checksum of the generated number and add 
that as a final digit.

If your site runs PHP then I could knock up a quick skeleton of some 
code that could do what you want. How many products have you got?

David


Kelvin Youngs wrote:
> Any ideas how I can generate some numbers?
>
> Explanation - I have to allocate a series of numbers to place next to  
> products that we will shortly be selling as downloads on our website  
> and I have to have a part number for each sale.
> Pain in the b.. to do it manually ? anyone have a solution to this?
>
> Kelvin
>
> http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com
>
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From kelvinyoungs at mac.com  Sun Oct 18 18:51:27 2009
From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 18:51:27 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Numbers
In-Reply-To: <4ADB5457.80603@davidviner.com>
References: <E537BE03-6611-4C5B-8AFF-D9E2D2A626C0@mac.com>
	<4ADB5457.80603@davidviner.com>
Message-ID: <7BECA8C2-757E-4EA3-9EA6-F4B389CCA8C0@mac.com>

Well, we dont have many as yet (about 30) but really need to add about  
20 numbers at least for each one.
All I wanted to be able to do is to generate a series of numbers  
starting with something like 642001 and then obtain a list as that  
starting point. Then simply copy and paste them into the box provided  
by the ecommerce site I am using. (Cartloom)

By the way David, very nice web designs you do.
Kelvin

On 18 Oct 2009, at 18:45, David Viner wrote:

> Kelvin
>
> Another solution is if your web site can run PHP or (ugh) ASP. If it  
> can
> then it's very easy to generate a sequential set of numbers via a  
> loop -
> it is also quite easy to do a checksum of the generated number and add
> that as a final digit.
>
> If your site runs PHP then I could knock up a quick skeleton of some
> code that could do what you want. How many products have you got?
>
> David

From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Sun Oct 18 19:56:58 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 19:56:58 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Numbers
In-Reply-To: <7BECA8C2-757E-4EA3-9EA6-F4B389CCA8C0@mac.com>
References: <E537BE03-6611-4C5B-8AFF-D9E2D2A626C0@mac.com>
	<4ADB5457.80603@davidviner.com>
	<7BECA8C2-757E-4EA3-9EA6-F4B389CCA8C0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5513DCE7-44EC-4C07-A076-D6443DAF24E0@gmail.com>

642001
642002
642003
642004
642005
642006
642007
642008
642009
642010
642011
642012
642013
642014
642015
642016
642017
642018
642019
642020
642021
642022
642023
642024
642025
642026
642027
642028
642029
642030

?

On 18 Oct 2009, at 18:51, Kelvin Youngs wrote:

> Well, we dont have many as yet (about 30) but really need to add about
> 20 numbers at least for each one.
> All I wanted to be able to do is to generate a series of numbers
> starting with something like 642001 and then obtain a list as that
> starting point. Then simply copy and paste them into the box provided
> by the ecommerce site I am using. (Cartloom)
>
> By the way David, very nice web designs you do.
> Kelvin
>
> On 18 Oct 2009, at 18:45, David Viner wrote:
>
>> Kelvin
>>
>> Another solution is if your web site can run PHP or (ugh) ASP. If it
>> can
>> then it's very easy to generate a sequential set of numbers via a
>> loop -
>> it is also quite easy to do a checksum of the generated number and  
>> add
>> that as a final digit.
>>
>> If your site runs PHP then I could knock up a quick skeleton of some
>> code that could do what you want. How many products have you got?
>>
>> David
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From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Sun Oct 18 20:24:06 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (Stefan Pietrzak Youngs)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:24:06 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows? Virus free? You must be joking.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.876.1255892223.111.nmug@nmug.org.uk>
References: <mailman.876.1255892223.111.nmug@nmug.org.uk>
Message-ID: <B749B18B-5CA0-4A8E-A580-495AC2C157E4@gmail.com>


On 18 Oct 2009, at 19:57, nmug-request at nmug.org.uk wrote:

> My wife has a Windows machine, my two sons have Windows machines. I've
> just built this new one. I have had no problems with them. My mum has
> Windows machines and she has never had a virus. My best mate has two
> Windows machines and he recently got some nasty viruses that took down
> both his machines. Why? Well, he might have had virus protection
> installed but he never bothered to update it.
>
> OK, so you don't have to worry about it on a Mac, but if it is set up
> correctly on a Windows machine, then you don't really need to worry
> about it either.
>
> And for the record, I won't be using the new PC anyway. Decision time.
> A 2.66Ghz P4 Windows machine vs an 867Mhz G4 Mac. No contest. I would
> take the Mac everytime. My PowerBook might be old, but it manages fine
> and for day-to-day work, web browsing, emailing, writing etc... it
> handles just as well as a high powered machine.
>
> Simon


I don't know what planet you live on but I don't recognize it.

I left a PC unprotected and connected to the Internet for 12 hours. In  
that time I accumulated over 10,000 files. This is what happens when  
you run Windows on an unprotected machine. I run several Macs, none of  
them protected, and have done so for 20 years. I can't remember when  
something unwanted got downloaded.

The fact is  that when you protect a Windows machine with expensive  
software, your troubles are only beginning. Windows machine users are  
plagued by annoying messages on a continuous basis about something  
that might damage their contents. Pop ups, annoying bleeps, warnings..  
it's never ending.

Might I suggest this is not the forum for proselytising Windows. This  
is a Mac forum. There are plenty of other places you can voice ill- 
founded opinions on the benefits of Windows machines.

From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Oct 18 20:57:27 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 20:57:27 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows? Virus free? You must be joking.
In-Reply-To: <B749B18B-5CA0-4A8E-A580-495AC2C157E4@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.876.1255892223.111.nmug@nmug.org.uk>
	<B749B18B-5CA0-4A8E-A580-495AC2C157E4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <937E69D6-7571-4AE4-AD45-73DE19FD073B@simonroyal.co.uk>

Stefan

I am not proselytising Windows and I am fully aware of this being a  
Mac group. You seem to be preaching to the converted, and the heavily  
converted at that.

I cannot stand Windows, but credit where credit is due. I am not an  
Apple fanboy who loves everything Apple do for no good reason. I love  
Apple, Mac and Mac OS because it is so good.

A Windows machine without any protection is a dangerous world. I know  
leaving a machine unprotected can very quickly infected. My point was,  
that with some carefully chosen and most of the time free software you  
can protect Windows. Not against everything. I am not saying it is  
impenetrable after all, I think it was you who also said the biggest  
threat to a computer is the user. Good protection software and common  
sense protects Windows.

Yes Windows is awash with pop ups and yellow blobs galore. Most of the  
time this is Windows itself and not the software you install.  
Nevertheless, this is incredibly annoying.

I don't feel my opinions are ill-founded. I don't feel your damning  
comments were warranted. I have used just about every version of  
Windows for over 17 years and countless number of machines. I am a Mac  
fan. In the last 8 years I have owned over 20 Macs and used every  
version of Mac OS and Mac OSX from System 6 upwards. Mac OSX is a  
marvel and a joy to use.

If I was a Windows fan, sitting on the fence or not bothered either  
way then I wouldn't choose a machine that was a third of the  
processing power. I love my PowerBook. I love it more than this high  
powered Windows machine. Why? Because it is a Mac running OSX.

Not everyone on this group is a devout Mac user. Not everyone is in  
the position to be in a Mac only household or work place.

Simon

On 18 Oct 2009, at 20:24, Stefan Pietrzak Youngs wrote:

>
> On 18 Oct 2009, at 19:57, nmug-request at nmug.org.uk wrote:
>
>> My wife has a Windows machine, my two sons have Windows machines.  
>> I've
>> just built this new one. I have had no problems with them. My mum has
>> Windows machines and she has never had a virus. My best mate has two
>> Windows machines and he recently got some nasty viruses that took  
>> down
>> both his machines. Why? Well, he might have had virus protection
>> installed but he never bothered to update it.
>>
>> OK, so you don't have to worry about it on a Mac, but if it is set up
>> correctly on a Windows machine, then you don't really need to worry
>> about it either.
>>
>> And for the record, I won't be using the new PC anyway. Decision  
>> time.
>> A 2.66Ghz P4 Windows machine vs an 867Mhz G4 Mac. No contest. I would
>> take the Mac everytime. My PowerBook might be old, but it manages  
>> fine
>> and for day-to-day work, web browsing, emailing, writing etc... it
>> handles just as well as a high powered machine.
>>
>> Simon
>
>
> I don't know what planet you live on but I don't recognize it.
>
> I left a PC unprotected and connected to the Internet for 12 hours. In
> that time I accumulated over 10,000 files. This is what happens when
> you run Windows on an unprotected machine. I run several Macs, none of
> them protected, and have done so for 20 years. I can't remember when
> something unwanted got downloaded.
>
> The fact is  that when you protect a Windows machine with expensive
> software, your troubles are only beginning. Windows machine users are
> plagued by annoying messages on a continuous basis about something
> that might damage their contents. Pop ups, annoying bleeps, warnings..
> it's never ending.
>
> Might I suggest this is not the forum for proselytising Windows. This
> is a Mac forum. There are plenty of other places you can voice ill-
> founded opinions on the benefits of Windows machines.
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

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. Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)









From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Sun Oct 18 22:33:08 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 22:33:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows? Virus free? You must be joking.
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References: <mailman.876.1255892223.111.nmug@nmug.org.uk>
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I had the deep joy of playing with a Vista based laptop today. Loading  
the Zoo Tycoon Game and two expansion packs (one of which would not  
load as the CD was a bit dodgy) Despite the games coming via  
Microsoft's Games Division, UAC insisted on popping up but didn't even  
request a password..... Just clicked "I trust this....."

Mmmmm

It was most unintuitive and difficult to use. Nuff said.

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk

The other Steve J!

On 18 Oct 2009, at 20:57, Simon Royal wrote:

> Stefan
>
> I am not proselytising Windows and I am fully aware of this being a
> Mac group. You seem to be preaching to the converted, and the heavily
> converted at that.
>
> I cannot stand Windows, but credit where credit is due. I am not an
> Apple fanboy who loves everything Apple do for no good reason. I love
> Apple, Mac and Mac OS because it is so good.
>
> A Windows machine without any protection is a dangerous world. I know
> leaving a machine unprotected can very quickly infected. My point was,
> that with some carefully chosen and most of the time free software you
> can protect Windows. Not against everything. I am not saying it is
> impenetrable after all, I think it was you who also said the biggest
> threat to a computer is the user. Good protection software and common
> sense protects Windows.
>
> Yes Windows is awash with pop ups and yellow blobs galore. Most of the
> time this is Windows itself and not the software you install.
> Nevertheless, this is incredibly annoying.
>
> I don't feel my opinions are ill-founded. I don't feel your damning
> comments were warranted. I have used just about every version of
> Windows for over 17 years and countless number of machines. I am a Mac
> fan. In the last 8 years I have owned over 20 Macs and used every
> version of Mac OS and Mac OSX from System 6 upwards. Mac OSX is a
> marvel and a joy to use.
>
> If I was a Windows fan, sitting on the fence or not bothered either
> way then I wouldn't choose a machine that was a third of the
> processing power. I love my PowerBook. I love it more than this high
> powered Windows machine. Why? Because it is a Mac running OSX.
>
> Not everyone on this group is a devout Mac user. Not everyone is in
> the position to be in a Mac only household or work place.
>
> Simon
>
> On 18 Oct 2009, at 20:24, Stefan Pietrzak Youngs wrote:
>
>>
>> On 18 Oct 2009, at 19:57, nmug-request at nmug.org.uk wrote:
>>
>>> My wife has a Windows machine, my two sons have Windows machines.
>>> I've
>>> just built this new one. I have had no problems with them. My mum  
>>> has
>>> Windows machines and she has never had a virus. My best mate has two
>>> Windows machines and he recently got some nasty viruses that took
>>> down
>>> both his machines. Why? Well, he might have had virus protection
>>> installed but he never bothered to update it.
>>>
>>> OK, so you don't have to worry about it on a Mac, but if it is set  
>>> up
>>> correctly on a Windows machine, then you don't really need to worry
>>> about it either.
>>>
>>> And for the record, I won't be using the new PC anyway. Decision
>>> time.
>>> A 2.66Ghz P4 Windows machine vs an 867Mhz G4 Mac. No contest. I  
>>> would
>>> take the Mac everytime. My PowerBook might be old, but it manages
>>> fine
>>> and for day-to-day work, web browsing, emailing, writing etc... it
>>> handles just as well as a high powered machine.
>>>
>>> Simon
>>
>>
>> I don't know what planet you live on but I don't recognize it.
>>
>> I left a PC unprotected and connected to the Internet for 12 hours.  
>> In
>> that time I accumulated over 10,000 files. This is what happens when
>> you run Windows on an unprotected machine. I run several Macs, none  
>> of
>> them protected, and have done so for 20 years. I can't remember when
>> something unwanted got downloaded.
>>
>> The fact is  that when you protect a Windows machine with expensive
>> software, your troubles are only beginning. Windows machine users are
>> plagued by annoying messages on a continuous basis about something
>> that might damage their contents. Pop ups, annoying bleeps,  
>> warnings..
>> it's never ending.
>>
>> Might I suggest this is not the forum for proselytising Windows. This
>> is a Mac forum. There are plenty of other places you can voice ill-
>> founded opinions on the benefits of Windows machines.
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> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Mon Oct 19 02:55:20 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 02:55:20 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows? Virus free? You must be joking.
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The Zoo Tycoon series is available for Mac (if you can find somewhere  
that sells it, I ended up downloading it, not because I am an evil  
pirate but just because I could not find the game at retail), I played  
the old 2D game waaaaay to much.

Steve.


On 18 Oct 2009, at 22:33, Steven Jefferson wrote:

> It was most unintuitive and difficult to use. Nuff said.


From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Mon Oct 19 03:09:34 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 03:09:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows? Virus free? You must be joking.
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Aah, the Megahertz Myth, Just because your G4 is 867MHz/1GHz and the  
P4 is 2.66GHz does not mean it's a third of the processing power

http://pulsar.esm.psu.edu/Faculty/Gray/graphics/movies/mhz_myth_320f.mov

Your G4 is probably equally matched to the P4 given that the  2.66GHz  
did not have hyperthreadding.

Obviously there are other factors such as the hard drive that impact  
performance, I think the G4 laptops came with 3200rpm drives where as  
your PC desktop is probably using a 7200rpm drive.

Steve.



On 18 Oct 2009, at 20:57, Simon Royal wrote:

> If I was a Windows fan, sitting on the fence or not bothered either
> way then I wouldn't choose a machine that was a third of the
> processing power.


From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Mon Oct 19 08:17:28 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:17:28 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows? Virus free? You must be joking.
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This was Vista, not the game, though installation was convuluted, as  
it was even dumping stuff in the registry. Seems odd.
Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk

On 19 Oct 2009, at 02:55, Steve Batch wrote:

> The Zoo Tycoon series is available for Mac (if you can find somewhere
> that sells it, I ended up downloading it, not because I am an evil
> pirate but just because I could not find the game at retail), I played
> the old 2D game waaaaay to much.
>
> Steve.
>
>
> On 18 Oct 2009, at 22:33, Steven Jefferson wrote:
>
>> It was most unintuitive and difficult to use. Nuff said.
>
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Oct 19 08:44:09 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:44:09 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows? Virus free? You must be joking.
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Steve

I was going by processor figure rather than actual performance. My G4  
867Mhz outpaces my wifes Sempron running at 1.8Ghz. I am aware Macs  
and PCs are not equally matched in the Ghz/Mhz scale. Like you say  
though, there are other factors.

G4: 133Mhz system bus.
P4: 533Mhz system bus.

G4: 64KB L1, 256KB L2, 1MB L3 cache.
P4: 512KB L2

G4: 1GB PC133 RAM
P4: 1.25GB DDR RAM

G4: 5400RPM 80GB Hard Drive.
P4: 5400RPM 40GB Hard Drive.

This P4 processor does have HyperThreading.

Simon

On 19 Oct 2009, at 03:09, Steve Batch wrote:

>
> Aah, the Megahertz Myth, Just because your G4 is 867MHz/1GHz and the
> P4 is 2.66GHz does not mean it's a third of the processing power
>
> http://pulsar.esm.psu.edu/Faculty/Gray/graphics/movies/mhz_myth_320f.mov
>
> Your G4 is probably equally matched to the P4 given that the  2.66GHz
> did not have hyperthreadding.
>
> Obviously there are other factors such as the hard drive that impact
> performance, I think the G4 laptops came with 3200rpm drives where as
> your PC desktop is probably using a 7200rpm drive.
>
> Steve.
>
>
>
> On 18 Oct 2009, at 20:57, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> If I was a Windows fan, sitting on the fence or not bothered either
>> way then I wouldn't choose a machine that was a third of the
>> processing power.
>
> _______________________________________________
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From nathan.crosby at virgin.net  Mon Oct 19 09:12:08 2009
From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 09:12:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows? Virus free? You must be joking.
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Free anti virus software is not the answer for the poor PC user.
On the news this morning millions of PC users have unloaded
what they thought was anti virus software. It was the opposite.
I am always astonished at the vulnerability of some people.
They seem to think If it's in print it must be true.

Nathan
On 18 Oct 2009, at 20:57, Simon Royal wrote:

> Stefan
>
> I am not proselytising Windows and I am fully aware of this being a
> Mac group. You seem to be preaching to the converted, and the heavily
> converted at that.
>
> I cannot stand Windows, but credit where credit is due. I am not an
> Apple fanboy who loves everything Apple do for no good reason. I love
> Apple, Mac and Mac OS because it is so good.
>
> A Windows machine without any protection is a dangerous world. I know
> leaving a machine unprotected can very quickly infected. My point was,
> that with some carefully chosen and most of the time free software you
> can protect Windows. Not against everything. I am not saying it is
> impenetrable after all, I think it was you who also said the biggest
> threat to a computer is the user. Good protection software and common
> sense protects Windows.
>
> Yes Windows is awash with pop ups and yellow blobs galore. Most of the
> time this is Windows itself and not the software you install.
> Nevertheless, this is incredibly annoying.
>
> I don't feel my opinions are ill-founded. I don't feel your damning
> comments were warranted. I have used just about every version of
> Windows for over 17 years and countless number of machines. I am a Mac
> fan. In the last 8 years I have owned over 20 Macs and used every
> version of Mac OS and Mac OSX from System 6 upwards. Mac OSX is a
> marvel and a joy to use.
>
> If I was a Windows fan, sitting on the fence or not bothered either
> way then I wouldn't choose a machine that was a third of the
> processing power. I love my PowerBook. I love it more than this high
> powered Windows machine. Why? Because it is a Mac running OSX.
>
> Not everyone on this group is a devout Mac user. Not everyone is in
> the position to be in a Mac only household or work place.
>
> Simon
>
> On 18 Oct 2009, at 20:24, Stefan Pietrzak Youngs wrote:
>
>>
>> On 18 Oct 2009, at 19:57, nmug-request at nmug.org.uk wrote:
>>
>>> My wife has a Windows machine, my two sons have Windows machines.
>>> I've
>>> just built this new one. I have had no problems with them. My mum  
>>> has
>>> Windows machines and she has never had a virus. My best mate has two
>>> Windows machines and he recently got some nasty viruses that took
>>> down
>>> both his machines. Why? Well, he might have had virus protection
>>> installed but he never bothered to update it.
>>>
>>> OK, so you don't have to worry about it on a Mac, but if it is set  
>>> up
>>> correctly on a Windows machine, then you don't really need to worry
>>> about it either.
>>>
>>> And for the record, I won't be using the new PC anyway. Decision
>>> time.
>>> A 2.66Ghz P4 Windows machine vs an 867Mhz G4 Mac. No contest. I  
>>> would
>>> take the Mac everytime. My PowerBook might be old, but it manages
>>> fine
>>> and for day-to-day work, web browsing, emailing, writing etc... it
>>> handles just as well as a high powered machine.
>>>
>>> Simon
>>
>>
>> I don't know what planet you live on but I don't recognize it.
>>
>> I left a PC unprotected and connected to the Internet for 12 hours.  
>> In
>> that time I accumulated over 10,000 files. This is what happens when
>> you run Windows on an unprotected machine. I run several Macs, none  
>> of
>> them protected, and have done so for 20 years. I can't remember when
>> something unwanted got downloaded.
>>
>> The fact is  that when you protect a Windows machine with expensive
>> software, your troubles are only beginning. Windows machine users are
>> plagued by annoying messages on a continuous basis about something
>> that might damage their contents. Pop ups, annoying bleeps,  
>> warnings..
>> it's never ending.
>>
>> Might I suggest this is not the forum for proselytising Windows. This
>> is a Mac forum. There are plenty of other places you can voice ill-
>> founded opinions on the benefits of Windows machines.
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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>
>
>
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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Oct 19 09:17:33 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 09:17:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows? Virus free? You must be joking.
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I think we've now thoroughly covered the subject. No more on Windows  
and viruses for a while please.

Paul
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From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Mon Oct 19 10:44:24 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (Stefan Pietrzak Youngs)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:44:24 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Megahertz and the suchlike
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On 19 Oct 2009, at 09:12, nmug-request at nmug.org.uk wrote:


>> If I was a Windows fan, sitting on the fence or not bothered either
>> way then I wouldn't choose a machine that was a third of the
>> processing power.
>

> Aah, the Megahertz Myth, Just because your G4 is 867MHz/1GHz and the
> P4 is 2.66GHz does not mean it's a third of the processing power
>
> http://pulsar.esm.psu.edu/Faculty/Gray/graphics/movies/mhz_myth_320f.mov
>
> Your G4 is probably equally matched to the P4 given that the  2.66GHz
> did not have hyperthreadding.
>
> Obviously there are other factors such as the hard drive that impact
> performance, I think the G4 laptops came with 3200rpm drives where as
> your PC desktop is probably using a 7200rpm drive.
>
> Steve.
>
>
>
> On 18 Oct 2009, at 20:57, Simon Royal wrote:


Exactly right Steve. Ill-founded and misleading claims from folks who  
claim a level of knowledge that turns out to be superficial (at best)  
must expect the claims to be called for what they are.

Maybe I'm alone in this, but it's my opinion that I for one am not  
interested in reading about Windows in this forum unless it bears on  
the Mac (use of Parallels or VM Fusion for example). There are  
thousands of forums devoted to Windows and anyone unfortunate enough  
to use Windows has more than enough to choose from.

From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Mon Oct 19 10:53:58 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:53:58 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Nothing to do with Windows
In-Reply-To: <3239694F-D202-477C-8BF5-F60E7B5EB203@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <C701F5C6.305B9%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

Such gullibility is the inevitable consequence of 'educating' people into
expecting to be herded without having any actual understanding or
responsibility.

All the wolf has to do is masquerade the guidance - and either offer
something the sheep want to be true - or a protection against something they
fear to be true.

But without understanding, many simply want a system of delivery that
doesn't require 'learning processes' - and then fear indiscriminately such
that ordinary trust based functionality is blocked or reduced.

all the best
Brian




Nathan Crosby said recently:

> I am always astonished at the vulnerability of some people.
> They seem to think If it's in print it must be true.



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Oct 19 11:47:35 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:47:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Megahertz and the suchlike
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Stefan

I find that offensive. I have been a member of this group for quite a  
while and my level of knowledge has been evident. I am not  
superficial. My claims are not misleading, just drawn from my own  
experiences of over 17 years of computing. I must point out I did not  
start off a Mac fan, it wasn't until the turn of the century I  
switched to Macs. Prior to that I built and used Windows machines  
right from Windows 3.11.

Maybe I do not word things correctly, 'processing power' should have  
read 'clock speed'. No matter what the differences in PC and Macs are,  
there is going to be a significant difference between 2.66Ghz and  
867Mhz. There is no way a sub-1Ghz machine can outrun a machine 6  
years older with more RAM and 4 times the bus speed.

My original post was not praising Windows. It was merely pointing out  
that to get such a high spec machine for free in the Windows world is  
fairly easy, but in the Mac world you are still looking at a  
considerable amount of money. I wasn't praising Windows.

I will agree with you that this isn't the place for discussing Windows  
unless it is related to a Mac in some way. I am a happy switcher. I  
have Windows machines in my house, which I have to maintain, but I do  
not like them and couldn't use them all day. A few hours after using  
them and it frustrates the hell out of me.

Simon

On 19 Oct 2009, at 10:44, Stefan Pietrzak Youngs wrote:

>
> On 19 Oct 2009, at 09:12, nmug-request at nmug.org.uk wrote:
>
>
>>> If I was a Windows fan, sitting on the fence or not bothered either
>>> way then I wouldn't choose a machine that was a third of the
>>> processing power.
>>
>
>> Aah, the Megahertz Myth, Just because your G4 is 867MHz/1GHz and the
>> P4 is 2.66GHz does not mean it's a third of the processing power
>>
>> http://pulsar.esm.psu.edu/Faculty/Gray/graphics/movies/mhz_myth_320f.mov
>>
>> Your G4 is probably equally matched to the P4 given that the  2.66GHz
>> did not have hyperthreadding.
>>
>> Obviously there are other factors such as the hard drive that impact
>> performance, I think the G4 laptops came with 3200rpm drives where as
>> your PC desktop is probably using a 7200rpm drive.
>>
>> Steve.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 18 Oct 2009, at 20:57, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>
> Exactly right Steve. Ill-founded and misleading claims from folks who
> claim a level of knowledge that turns out to be superficial (at best)
> must expect the claims to be called for what they are.
>
> Maybe I'm alone in this, but it's my opinion that I for one am not
> interested in reading about Windows in this forum unless it bears on
> the Mac (use of Parallels or VM Fusion for example). There are
> thousands of forums devoted to Windows and anyone unfortunate enough
> to use Windows has more than enough to choose from.
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

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---
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From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Mon Oct 19 13:27:54 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:27:54 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Megahertz and the suchlike
In-Reply-To: <0ED142DD-89F5-4C6D-AFC9-44F6349A3732@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.883.1255939932.111.nmug@nmug.org.uk>
	<0ED142DD-89F5-4C6D-AFC9-44F6349A3732@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F72806F-EB6D-42E4-BB73-15450641B05C@gmail.com>

Stefan,

It would seem that some of my claims were ill founded (hard drive  
speed of the G4 and Hyper-threading on the P4) and Simon called me up  
on those that thats great I encourage people to challenge me when I'm  
wrong it's my way of learning.  I never claim a level of knowledge  
beyond "some experience but trying to learn".

Steve.


On 19 Oct 2009, at 10:44, Stefan Pietrzak Youngs wrote:

> Exactly right Steve. Ill-founded and misleading claims from folks who
> claim a level of knowledge that turns out to be superficial (at best)
> must expect the claims to be called for what they are.


From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Mon Oct 19 13:32:05 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:32:05 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Nothing to do with Windows
In-Reply-To: <C701F5C6.305B9%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
References: <C701F5C6.305B9%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
Message-ID: <7252DDD3-43EC-49CF-BCEA-5E0AECDFA59D@gmail.com>

Unfortunately, that's how some people view us Mac users.

Not true of course.

Steve.

On 19 Oct 2009, at 10:53, Brian Steere wrote:

> Such gullibility is the inevitable consequence of 'educating' people  
> into
> expecting to be herded without having any actual understanding or
> responsibility.
>
> All the wolf has to do is masquerade the guidance - and either offer
> something the sheep want to be true - or a protection against  
> something they
> fear to be true.
>
> But without understanding, many simply want a system of delivery that
> doesn't require 'learning processes' - and then fear  
> indiscriminately such
> that ordinary trust based functionality is blocked or reduced.


From alan at asw6000.plus.com  Mon Oct 19 13:33:01 2009
From: alan at asw6000.plus.com (Alan Williams)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:33:01 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] wmv files
Message-ID: <0E16CF3E-F648-4E74-9C25-CCA27A928520@asw6000.plus.com>

Since upgrading to Snow Leopard I dont seem able to open these videos.  
I've upgraded flip4mac . Any ideas please.



Alan Williams
alan at asw6000.plus.com




From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Mon Oct 19 13:41:12 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:41:12 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] wmv files
In-Reply-To: <0E16CF3E-F648-4E74-9C25-CCA27A928520@asw6000.plus.com>
References: <0E16CF3E-F648-4E74-9C25-CCA27A928520@asw6000.plus.com>
Message-ID: <C67C9BCC-468E-4814-A70D-EF13572EAE97@gmail.com>


While flip4mac is usually the answer for playing .WMV I too have had  
trouble with it since the change to SL, so I now use VLC player <http://www.videolan.org/ 
 > for my .WMV files and have removed flip4mac.

Steve.


On 19 Oct 2009, at 13:33, Alan Williams wrote:

> Since upgrading to Snow Leopard I dont seem able to open these videos.
> I've upgraded flip4mac . Any ideas please.


From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Mon Oct 19 13:49:35 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:49:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Darwinian nightmare
Message-ID: <67FA4EA1-C0CF-4A1A-BE8B-EC0C73A31A76@gmail.com>


I am quite new to Mac and one of the reasons for switching was because  
I wanted to learn more about Unix, I used Linux for about a year but  
to be honest while I 'got by' I never fully understood what was going  
on.  I am planning to read:

Unix for Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger (Visual QuickPro Guide)

and then maybe:

Mac OS X For Unix Geeks

Does anyone have better book suggestions or website resources to get  
me started?

Thanks,
Steve.

From allanmacam at me.com  Mon Oct 19 14:30:22 2009
From: allanmacam at me.com (Allan)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:30:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] wmv files
In-Reply-To: <0E16CF3E-F648-4E74-9C25-CCA27A928520@asw6000.plus.com>
References: <0E16CF3E-F648-4E74-9C25-CCA27A928520@asw6000.plus.com>
Message-ID: <F8CB3237-A15E-4392-A8EB-5B7BFF6DC676@me.com>

TRy installing the free Perian.

http://perian.org/


Allan Johns

On 19 Oct 2009, at 13:33, Alan Williams wrote:

> Since upgrading to Snow Leopard I dont seem able to open these videos.
> I've upgraded flip4mac . Any ideas please.
>
>
>
> Alan Williams
> alan at asw6000.plus.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
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From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Mon Oct 19 14:55:30 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:55:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] wmv files
In-Reply-To: <F8CB3237-A15E-4392-A8EB-5B7BFF6DC676@me.com>
References: <0E16CF3E-F648-4E74-9C25-CCA27A928520@asw6000.plus.com>
	<F8CB3237-A15E-4392-A8EB-5B7BFF6DC676@me.com>
Message-ID: <9135B033-3636-478E-A697-7A6581D1221B@gmail.com>

Allan, Perian does not handle .WMV, it's great for many types of  
codecs but not that puppy.


 From the website:

Perian enables QuickTime application support for additional media:
File formats: AVI, DIVX, FLV, MKV, GVI, VP6, and VFW
Video types: MS-MPEG4 v1 & v2, DivX, 3ivx, H.264, Sorenson H.263, FLV/ 
Sorenson Spark, FSV1, VP6, H263i, VP3, HuffYUV, FFVHuff, MPEG1 & MPEG2  
Video, Fraps, Snow, NuppelVideo, Techsmith Screen Capture, DosBox  
Capture
Audio types: Windows Media Audio v1 & v2, Flash ADPCM, Xiph Vorbis (in  
Matroska), and MPEG Layer I & II Audio, True Audio, DTS Coherent  
Acoustics, Nellymoser ASAO
AVI support for: AAC, AC3 Audio, H.264, MPEG4, and VBR MP3
Subtitle support for SSA/ASS and SRT

Steve.


On 19 Oct 2009, at 14:30, Allan wrote:

> TRy installing the free Perian.
>
> http://perian.org/
>
>
> Allan Johns
>
> On 19 Oct 2009, at 13:33, Alan Williams wrote:
>
>> Since upgrading to Snow Leopard I dont seem able to open these  
>> videos.
>> I've upgraded flip4mac . Any ideas please.
>>
>>
>>
>> Alan Williams
>> alan at asw6000.plus.com
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From alan at asw6000.plus.com  Mon Oct 19 15:13:38 2009
From: alan at asw6000.plus.com (Alan Williams)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:13:38 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] wmv files
In-Reply-To: <F8CB3237-A15E-4392-A8EB-5B7BFF6DC676@me.com>
References: <0E16CF3E-F648-4E74-9C25-CCA27A928520@asw6000.plus.com>
	<F8CB3237-A15E-4392-A8EB-5B7BFF6DC676@me.com>
Message-ID: <2977138B-F459-4820-AE88-7A56C783F162@asw6000.plus.com>

Downloaded that thanks but still no joy

Alan
On 19 Oct 2009, at 14:30, Allan wrote:

> TRy installing the free Perian.
>
> http://perian.org/
>
>
> Allan Johns
>
> On 19 Oct 2009, at 13:33, Alan Williams wrote:
>
>> Since upgrading to Snow Leopard I dont seem able to open these  
>> videos.
>> I've upgraded flip4mac . Any ideas please.
>>
>>
>>
>> Alan Williams
>> alan at asw6000.plus.com
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
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Alan Williams
alan at asw6000.plus.com




From ricnev at mac.com  Mon Oct 19 15:46:42 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:46:42 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] wmv files
In-Reply-To: <2977138B-F459-4820-AE88-7A56C783F162@asw6000.plus.com>
References: <0E16CF3E-F648-4E74-9C25-CCA27A928520@asw6000.plus.com>
	<F8CB3237-A15E-4392-A8EB-5B7BFF6DC676@me.com>
	<2977138B-F459-4820-AE88-7A56C783F162@asw6000.plus.com>
Message-ID: <04A8B38D-1E88-43E9-8E67-FB0380E585D3@mac.com>

I'd try Steve's suggestion of VideoLan Player if I wanted to play WMVs.

VideoLan really is a very useful tool to have in your toolbox.

I would remind everyone that uses VideoLan that its continual  
development and usefulness depends on us all supporting it, either by  
donations or in some other way. The VideoLan website explains what you  
can do to help.

Richard.


On 19 Oct 2009, at 15:13, Alan Williams wrote:

> Downloaded that thanks but still no joy
>
> Alan
> On 19 Oct 2009, at 14:30, Allan wrote:
>
>> TRy installing the free Perian.
>>
>> http://perian.org/
>>
>>
>> Allan Johns
>>
>> On 19 Oct 2009, at 13:33, Alan Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Since upgrading to Snow Leopard I dont seem able to open these
>>> videos.
>>> I've upgraded flip4mac . Any ideas please.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Alan Williams
>>> alan at asw6000.plus.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
> Alan Williams
> alan at asw6000.plus.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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ricnev at mac.com




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Oct 19 18:37:02 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 18:37:02 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] P4 vs G4
Message-ID: <CD3681D7-83C6-429E-B3DD-83DA6DEC8773@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

Further to my emails earlier - and my rant at Stefan - I have gone off  
and googled my query.

I already knew that Macs and PCs cannot be compared simply down to  
clock speed due to the differences in the PowerPC and Intel  
architecture, but I didn't realise it was so wide.

I have read countless comparisons, benchmarks and head-to-heads and  
the results were very surprising.

A G4 867Mhz (which is what I have - although the article was referring  
to a PowerMac not a PowerBook) has the same performance as a 1.5Ghz  
Pentium 4.
A G4 1Ghz has the same performance as a 1.8Ghz Pentium 4.

Generally speaking in terms of video and music encoding the above is  
true. Graphics tests such as image processing in Photoshop and the G4  
creeps ahead.

Going up the scale, technically speaking a G4 1.7Ghz should compare  
roughly to a 2.6Ghz Pentium 4. When you introduce HyperThreading with  
a compatible OS and software then the gap widens and you get more of  
the performance gap you would expect. Introduce the G5 chip with it's  
massive 2Ghz processors and the P4 falls short again.

My head has been swimming in Mhz, Ghz, pipelining, cache and all sorts  
this afternoon. What an interesting subject processors are. Of course,  
processors are not the only factor in determining overall system  
speed. You have system bus, amount of ram, ram speed, drive speed and  
graphics cards. Although generally speaking a faster/newer machine  
will score higher on all of these points anyway.

So while I owe Stefan a small apology for not having an indepth  
knowledge of processor architectures, my original theory still stands.  
A P4 2.66Ghz with HyperThreading will trounce a G4 867Mhz. The faster  
processor combined with the better/newer hardware and technology in  
the P4 machine should double the performance of the G4.

One thing has come out of this, is that a G4 867Mhz is not as slow as  
it sounds. A 1.5Ghz P4 is still a fairly respectable sounding spec in  
the Windows world.

Now that Apple has moved to Intel and both Mac and Windows share a  
similar architecture the gap should be closer.

Simon Royal
---
Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal 
. Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)









From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Mon Oct 19 22:45:19 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:45:19 -0400
Subject: [NMUG] Darwinian nightmare
In-Reply-To: <67FA4EA1-C0CF-4A1A-BE8B-EC0C73A31A76@gmail.com>
References: <67FA4EA1-C0CF-4A1A-BE8B-EC0C73A31A76@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ADCDDEF.2080800@stackyard.org>

Steve,

Of all the many UNIX and UNIX-like "distributions", I would have thought 
that Mac OS X is about the worst one to use for learning UNIX because of 
the lengths Apple have gone to in hiding the operating system from the 
user.  This gives the reliability and security advantages of UNIX and a 
very pretty, well-documented GUI but probably not the best UNIX 
environment to study due to highly proprietary configuration structures.

The trouble with UNIX is that all versions are different from each 
other.  There are many fundamental differences so you might want to 
define what you want to learn about before choosing a distribution.

Ken

Steve Batch wrote:
> I am quite new to Mac and one of the reasons for switching was because  
> I wanted to learn more about Unix, I used Linux for about a year but  
> to be honest while I 'got by' I never fully understood what was going  
> on.  I am planning to read:
>
> Unix for Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger (Visual QuickPro Guide)
>
> and then maybe:
>
> Mac OS X For Unix Geeks
>
> Does anyone have better book suggestions or website resources to get  
> me started?
>
> Thanks,
> Steve.
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   

From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Mon Oct 19 23:59:28 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (Stefan Pietrzak Youngs)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:59:28 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Playing wmv in QT
In-Reply-To: <mailman.895.1255988721.111.nmug@nmug.org.uk>
References: <mailman.895.1255988721.111.nmug@nmug.org.uk>
Message-ID: <FACBF61D-6ACE-4D4D-9457-6EDE7490B65B@gmail.com>


On 19 Oct 2009, at 22:45, nmug-request at nmug.org.uk wrote:

> Subject: Re: [NMUG] wmv files
> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at nmug.org.uk>
> Message-ID: <C67C9BCC-468E-4814-A70D-EF13572EAE97 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
>
> While flip4mac is usually the answer for playing .WMV I too have had
> trouble with it since the change to SL, so I now use VLC player <http://www.videolan.org/
>> for my .WMV files and have removed flip4mac.
>
> Steve.


I am playing .wmv files just fine in QT 10.5 (build 51) flip4MacWMV  
2.2.0.49

There's a setting in the flip4Mac system pref that allows you to tell  
the software to play the wmv file in QT player and not the standalone  
player they provide. I've got that set to play in QT

What is the file header info in a wmv file you can't play in QT?

There's anolther reason to keep flip4Mac installed.. the latest  
version decodes Microsoft's latest and greatest format Silverlight..  
which I would happily ignore except the Ryanair site requires it and  
you can't beat 5p flights to Palma

From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Tue Oct 20 00:05:32 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 00:05:32 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Nothing to do with Windows
In-Reply-To: <7252DDD3-43EC-49CF-BCEA-5E0AECDFA59D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C702AF4C.30606%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

I felt it was indiscriminately true of many - but not as a put down.
Only insecure folk need to find fault with their fellows.

There is a tendency to treat consumers as dumb - and perhaps there is a lot
of evidence for this. But it then becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

I wasn't suggesting everyone needs to understand the deep picture - but to
have an overview of basic relationships involved in principle.

I neednt ramble on - but I suppose these psychological emotional aspects are
a significant factor in the shaping of the systems that are then shaping us.

I only put this particular subject header because ... pssst ... I posted it
after Paul D said to close the transparently paned offtopic subject (7
letters starting with invisible force - and almost ending in debt).

But in the spirit of the thing I didn't feel I was gnawing on the same old
bone.

all the best
Brian


Steve Batch said recently:

> Unfortunately, that's how some people view us Mac users.
> 
> Not true of course.
> 
> Steve.
> 
> On 19 Oct 2009, at 10:53, Brian Steere wrote:
> 
>> Such gullibility is the inevitable consequence of 'educating' people
>> into
>> expecting to be herded without having any actual understanding or
>> responsibility.
>> 
>> All the wolf has to do is masquerade the guidance - and either offer
>> something the sheep want to be true - or a protection against
>> something they
>> fear to be true.
>> 
>> But without understanding, many simply want a system of delivery that
>> doesn't require 'learning processes' - and then fear
>> indiscriminately such
>> that ordinary trust based functionality is blocked or reduced.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From alan at asw6000.plus.com  Tue Oct 20 08:24:15 2009
From: alan at asw6000.plus.com (Alan Williams)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:24:15 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Playing wmv in QT
In-Reply-To: <FACBF61D-6ACE-4D4D-9457-6EDE7490B65B@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.895.1255988721.111.nmug@nmug.org.uk>
	<FACBF61D-6ACE-4D4D-9457-6EDE7490B65B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C5279E53-118C-4719-A731-2B7359F36618@asw6000.plus.com>


>
> Thanks Steve videolan worked perfectly

     Alan
>
>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] wmv files
>> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at nmug.org.uk>
>> Message-ID: <C67C9BCC-468E-4814-A70D-EF13572EAE97 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>>
>>
>> While flip4mac is usually the answer for playing .WMV I too have had
>> trouble with it since the change to SL, so I now use VLC player <http://www.videolan.org/
>>> for my .WMV files and have removed flip4mac.
>>
>> Steve.
>
>

Alan Williams
alan at asw6000.plus.com




From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue Oct 20 09:54:38 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 09:54:38 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Look for updates TODAY!
Message-ID: <F3EC2545-B611-4BEB-91C9-95B4FEEE95B5@durrant.co.uk>

The current rumour is that Apple will announce lots of updated  
products later today - MacBook, iMac, Mac Mini, Mouse.

We'll find out in a few hours if it's true!

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2009/10/19/tomorrow

regards,

Paul


From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Tue Oct 20 11:59:35 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (Stefan Pietrzak Youngs)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:59:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Analysing WMV files
Message-ID: <CC451E39-80BC-4D7E-AD54-DA57579CB684@gmail.com>

The tool I use to look at header info on problematic video files is  
called Videospec.

A very neat utility that uses one of the Mac's semi-secret weapons -  
AppleScript to do its work.

From karl.hortt at btinternet.com  Tue Oct 20 13:19:10 2009
From: karl.hortt at btinternet.com (Karl hortt)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:19:10 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] memory sticks
Message-ID: <B5F24DFA-879F-4C22-8CD3-B4C1518B5BD6@btinternet.com>


Hi All,

My wife is running a training course next week for about 25 trainees

last year, we produced a training booklet that had about 50 pages in it

I am thinking about putting all this information on to a memory stick  
and

give one to each of the trainees

where is the best place to buy about 25 small memory sticks ?

can I make one master and clone them using carbon copy ?

regards

Karl




From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue Oct 20 13:49:06 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:49:06 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] memory sticks
In-Reply-To: <B5F24DFA-879F-4C22-8CD3-B4C1518B5BD6@btinternet.com>
References: <B5F24DFA-879F-4C22-8CD3-B4C1518B5BD6@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <366D40C2-C3F9-42D8-81F8-EBF08614FE7F@durrant.co.uk>

http://www.bigpockets.co.uk/product.php?product=BELKIN012

was the best price I could find. I don't know how they are on delivery  
though.

regards,

Paul

On 20 Oct 2009, at 13:19, Karl hortt wrote:

>
> Hi All,
>
> My wife is running a training course next week for about 25 trainees
>
> last year, we produced a training booklet that had about 50 pages in  
> it
>
> I am thinking about putting all this information on to a memory stick
> and
>
> give one to each of the trainees
>
> where is the best place to buy about 25 small memory sticks ?
>
> can I make one master and clone them using carbon copy ?
>
> regards
>
> Karl
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
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From kevin at sanderling.co.uk  Tue Oct 20 14:04:37 2009
From: kevin at sanderling.co.uk (Kevin Allenby)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:04:37 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Various problems on my Mac Mini
In-Reply-To: <C25B8972-E944-4BDF-BA4A-EB7F0CD94C68@mac.com>
References: <9c83344f0910150534g5e4ee5a9k38d620cbe485bc80@mail.gmail.com>
	<C25B8972-E944-4BDF-BA4A-EB7F0CD94C68@mac.com>
Message-ID: <9c83344f0910200604w4f021ef5tf1a91853cb6d4e10@mail.gmail.com>

Richard

Many thanks for you suggestion. Problems now solved! Ken Hamer of this group
has talked me through the permission repairs in Terminal (something I would
have had no clue how to do) - which was mentioned in the macworld article
you linked to - and it has solved all the problems in one go.

Now I have no excuse to not get on with work.......

Cheers
Kevin



2009/10/16 Richard Nevill <ricnev at mac.com>

> I am not expert enough to be able to recommend a solution to Kevin's
> problem, although I would personally try to repair disk permissions as
> a first shot.
>
> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1452?viewlocale=en_US
>
> Does the panel think there is any value in running Repair Permissions
> in these circumstances?
>
> Also see:
>
> http://www.macworld.com/article/52220/2006/08/repairpermissions.html
>
>
> On 15 Oct 2009, at 13:34, Kevin Allenby wrote:
>
> > Hi folks - wondered if anyone can shed light on any of these issues
> > - which
> > all seemed to start at the same time!
> > Machine is a Mac Mini about 8 months old (running Leopard).
> >
> > 1 - one of my key programs, Dreamweaver CS4 (a genuine version I
> > should
> > add!) - when opening program, it appears to open normally, but then
> > just
> > closes after about 5 seconds.
> >
> > 2 - copy/paste using cmd C/cmd V doesn't work (always did before)
> >
> > 3 - I can no longer see other machines/external hard drive - they
> > still show
> > in the 'shared' section but say connection failed. I am sucessfully
> > connecting to the internet through the ethernet/router (which should
> > also
> > let me see the other machines)
> >
> > I'm not aware that I've changed anything but who knows!
> >
> > Any thoughts appreciated (I'd normally call in Ken Hamer, but he's
> > away)
> >
>
> Also, on the 16th. October, Kevin wrote:
>
> > To add to my previous list of woes, now realise I cannot drag and drop
> > either - eg between Finder windows so cannot move files about - also
> > cannot
> > move icons on the desktop -  oh dear!
>
> Richard Nevill
> ricnev at mac.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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From ricnev at mac.com  Tue Oct 20 14:53:27 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:53:27 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Apple Store Down!
Message-ID: <78BA4251-0605-43DC-9A78-789279F176C2@mac.com>

Get ready Guys!!

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com




From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue Oct 20 14:54:33 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:54:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Look for updates TODAY!
In-Reply-To: <F3EC2545-B611-4BEB-91C9-95B4FEEE95B5@durrant.co.uk>
References: <F3EC2545-B611-4BEB-91C9-95B4FEEE95B5@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C32D29E7-437D-470F-B82B-6A8CCA31B040@durrant.co.uk>

The Apple Store is down....

On 20 Oct 2009, at 09:54, Paul Durrant wrote:

> The current rumour is that Apple will announce lots of updated
> products later today - MacBook, iMac, Mac Mini, Mouse.
>
> We'll find out in a few hours if it's true!
>
> http://daringfireball.net/linked/2009/10/19/tomorrow


From ricnev at mac.com  Tue Oct 20 14:56:41 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:56:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Look for updates TODAY!
In-Reply-To: <C32D29E7-437D-470F-B82B-6A8CCA31B040@durrant.co.uk>
References: <F3EC2545-B611-4BEB-91C9-95B4FEEE95B5@durrant.co.uk>
	<C32D29E7-437D-470F-B82B-6A8CCA31B040@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <52D36F28-C7F7-4D4B-88A8-FE7BB0F5B765@mac.com>

How sad is that - two of us monitoring during the same minute!

On 20 Oct 2009, at 14:54, Paul Durrant wrote:

> The Apple Store is down....
>
> On 20 Oct 2009, at 09:54, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
>> The current rumour is that Apple will announce lots of updated
>> products later today - MacBook, iMac, Mac Mini, Mouse.
>>
>> We'll find out in a few hours if it's true!
>>
>> http://daringfireball.net/linked/2009/10/19/tomorrow
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Oct 20 14:57:14 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:57:14 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] memory sticks
In-Reply-To: <366D40C2-C3F9-42D8-81F8-EBF08614FE7F@durrant.co.uk>
References: <B5F24DFA-879F-4C22-8CD3-B4C1518B5BD6@btinternet.com>
	<366D40C2-C3F9-42D8-81F8-EBF08614FE7F@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <81830C10-582E-4594-ABB6-DF46568CA762@simonroyal.co.uk>

Paul

Great find, so I thought anyway.

?4 delivery on an 80p item.

Simon

On 20 Oct 2009, at 13:49, Paul Durrant wrote:

> http://www.bigpockets.co.uk/product.php?product=BELKIN012
>
> was the best price I could find. I don't know how they are on delivery
> though.
>
> regards,
>
> Paul
>
> On 20 Oct 2009, at 13:19, Karl hortt wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> My wife is running a training course next week for about 25 trainees
>>
>> last year, we produced a training booklet that had about 50 pages in
>> it
>>
>> I am thinking about putting all this information on to a memory stick
>> and
>>
>> give one to each of the trainees
>>
>> where is the best place to buy about 25 small memory sticks ?
>>
>> can I make one master and clone them using carbon copy ?
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Karl
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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---
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. Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)









From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue Oct 20 14:57:35 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:57:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Apple Store Down!
In-Reply-To: <78BA4251-0605-43DC-9A78-789279F176C2@mac.com>
References: <78BA4251-0605-43DC-9A78-789279F176C2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B46E74DC-9F84-483C-B979-71C57D581045@durrant.co.uk>

Beat me to the news by a minute! I wonder how long they'll take to  
come back up?

On 20 Oct 2009, at 14:53, Richard Nevill wrote:

> Get ready Guys!!


From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Tue Oct 20 15:08:43 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:08:43 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Various problems on my Mac Mini
In-Reply-To: <9c83344f0910200604w4f021ef5tf1a91853cb6d4e10@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9c83344f0910150534g5e4ee5a9k38d620cbe485bc80@mail.gmail.com>	<C25B8972-E944-4BDF-BA4A-EB7F0CD94C68@mac.com>
	<9c83344f0910200604w4f021ef5tf1a91853cb6d4e10@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ADDC46B.2080307@stackyard.org>

Just as a bit of information for everybody in case the same thing 
happens to anybody else, Kevin's many and varied troubles were caused by 
the still-unexplained disappearance of the symbolic link in the root 
directory which points to /private/tmp.  /tmp is pretty important in all 
things UNIXy and lots of things use it.  They all look for /tmp rather 
than /private/tmp which was still there.  Why the symlink disappeared - 
who knows?  One would need root privileges to delete it.

Kevin Allenby wrote:
> Richard
>
> Many thanks for you suggestion. Problems now solved! Ken Hamer of this group
> has talked me through the permission repairs in Terminal (something I would
> have had no clue how to do) - which was mentioned in the macworld article
> you linked to - and it has solved all the problems in one go.
>
> Now I have no excuse to not get on with work.......
>
> Cheers
> Kevin
>
>
>
> 2009/10/16 Richard Nevill <ricnev at mac.com>
>
>   
>> I am not expert enough to be able to recommend a solution to Kevin's
>> problem, although I would personally try to repair disk permissions as
>> a first shot.
>>
>> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1452?viewlocale=en_US
>>
>> Does the panel think there is any value in running Repair Permissions
>> in these circumstances?
>>
>> Also see:
>>
>> http://www.macworld.com/article/52220/2006/08/repairpermissions.html
>>
>>
>> On 15 Oct 2009, at 13:34, Kevin Allenby wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Hi folks - wondered if anyone can shed light on any of these issues
>>> - which
>>> all seemed to start at the same time!
>>> Machine is a Mac Mini about 8 months old (running Leopard).
>>>
>>> 1 - one of my key programs, Dreamweaver CS4 (a genuine version I
>>> should
>>> add!) - when opening program, it appears to open normally, but then
>>> just
>>> closes after about 5 seconds.
>>>
>>> 2 - copy/paste using cmd C/cmd V doesn't work (always did before)
>>>
>>> 3 - I can no longer see other machines/external hard drive - they
>>> still show
>>> in the 'shared' section but say connection failed. I am sucessfully
>>> connecting to the internet through the ethernet/router (which should
>>> also
>>> let me see the other machines)
>>>
>>> I'm not aware that I've changed anything but who knows!
>>>
>>> Any thoughts appreciated (I'd normally call in Ken Hamer, but he's
>>> away)
>>>
>>>       
>> Also, on the 16th. October, Kevin wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> To add to my previous list of woes, now realise I cannot drag and drop
>>> either - eg between Finder windows so cannot move files about - also
>>> cannot
>>> move icons on the desktop -  oh dear!
>>>       
>> Richard Nevill
>> ricnev at mac.com
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> Manage your subscription at:
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>     
> _______________________________________________
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>   

From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue Oct 20 15:08:53 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:08:53 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] memory sticks
In-Reply-To: <81830C10-582E-4594-ABB6-DF46568CA762@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <B5F24DFA-879F-4C22-8CD3-B4C1518B5BD6@btinternet.com>
	<366D40C2-C3F9-42D8-81F8-EBF08614FE7F@durrant.co.uk>
	<81830C10-582E-4594-ABB6-DF46568CA762@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <34DC6CAD-4F69-42C8-9755-69804BC35893@durrant.co.uk>

But not so bad if you're buying 25 of them, as presumably that's ?4  
per consignment, not ?4 per item. Not that I've checked...

Paul

On 20 Oct 2009, at 14:57, Simon Royal wrote:

> Great find, so I thought anyway.
>
> ?4 delivery on an 80p item.
>
> On 20 Oct 2009, at 13:49, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
>> http://www.bigpockets.co.uk/product.php?product=BELKIN012
>>
>> was the best price I could find. I don't know how they are on  
>> delivery
>> though.
>>
>> On 20 Oct 2009, at 13:19, Karl hortt wrote:
>>>
>>> My wife is running a training course next week for about 25 trainees
>>>
>>> last year, we produced a training booklet that had about 50 pages in
>>> it
>>>
>>> I am thinking about putting all this information on to a memory  
>>> stick
>>> and
>>>
>>> give one to each of the trainees
>>>
>>> where is the best place to buy about 25 small memory sticks ?
>>>
>>> can I make one master and clone them using carbon copy ?


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue Oct 20 15:16:47 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:16:47 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Look for updates TODAY!
In-Reply-To: <52D36F28-C7F7-4D4B-88A8-FE7BB0F5B765@mac.com>
References: <F3EC2545-B611-4BEB-91C9-95B4FEEE95B5@durrant.co.uk>
	<C32D29E7-437D-470F-B82B-6A8CCA31B040@durrant.co.uk>
	<52D36F28-C7F7-4D4B-88A8-FE7BB0F5B765@mac.com>
Message-ID: <92434D5E-2D3B-4AF5-98B1-BF5678C3AC48@durrant.co.uk>

Well, I just checked having lunch (yes, late lunch) - and there it  
wasn't.

Oh - and this is a fun site:

http://isapplestoredown.com/

regards,

Paul

On 20 Oct 2009, at 14:56, Richard Nevill wrote:

> How sad is that - two of us monitoring during the same minute!
>
> On 20 Oct 2009, at 14:54, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
>> The Apple Store is down....
>>
>> On 20 Oct 2009, at 09:54, Paul Durrant wrote:
>>
>>> The current rumour is that Apple will announce lots of updated
>>> products later today - MacBook, iMac, Mac Mini, Mouse.
>>>
>>> We'll find out in a few hours if it's true!
>>>
>>> http://daringfireball.net/linked/2009/10/19/tomorrow


From ricnev at mac.com  Tue Oct 20 15:26:02 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:26:02 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Look for updates TODAY!
In-Reply-To: <92434D5E-2D3B-4AF5-98B1-BF5678C3AC48@durrant.co.uk>
References: <F3EC2545-B611-4BEB-91C9-95B4FEEE95B5@durrant.co.uk>
	<C32D29E7-437D-470F-B82B-6A8CCA31B040@durrant.co.uk>
	<52D36F28-C7F7-4D4B-88A8-FE7BB0F5B765@mac.com>
	<92434D5E-2D3B-4AF5-98B1-BF5678C3AC48@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4365D487-FE7C-4254-8DF6-D6E0E8A7EB27@mac.com>

I'm using the pingdom Apple Store status widget; lets you know if  
Apple Store site is up or down:

http://royal.pingdom.com/2008/03/19/apple-store-status-widget-for-mac-os-x/


On 20 Oct 2009, at 15:16, Paul Durrant wrote:

>
>
> Oh - and this is a fun site:
>
> http://isapplestoredown.com/
>
>

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com




From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue Oct 20 17:20:36 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:20:36 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Look for updates TODAY!
In-Reply-To: <4365D487-FE7C-4254-8DF6-D6E0E8A7EB27@mac.com>
References: <F3EC2545-B611-4BEB-91C9-95B4FEEE95B5@durrant.co.uk>
	<C32D29E7-437D-470F-B82B-6A8CCA31B040@durrant.co.uk>
	<52D36F28-C7F7-4D4B-88A8-FE7BB0F5B765@mac.com>
	<92434D5E-2D3B-4AF5-98B1-BF5678C3AC48@durrant.co.uk>
	<4365D487-FE7C-4254-8DF6-D6E0E8A7EB27@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1216991A-0A59-4CE5-B164-FEF69290F43D@durrant.co.uk>

The Apple Store isn't back up yet, but BusinessWeek have jumped the  
gun, and if they've broken an embargo time are going to be in Apple's  
Bad Books.

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/ByteOfTheApple/blog/archives/2009/10/apple_announces.html

The MacBook has a new polycarbonate shell, that's more like the  
unibody aluminium, and a built-in 7 hour battery, a LED backlight,  
2.26GHz, 250GB and still the same price (in US$, anyway!)

No more 20" and 24" iMac. The smaller iMac is now 21.5", and the  
bigger is 27", both with LED backlights.

The new iMac design has a much smaller 'chin' under the display.

The 21.5" has 3.06 and 3.33GHz chips, optional high end graphics, up  
to 16GB RAM and up to 2TB (Yes, 2,000GB) storage. Te 21.5" is  
available now. (Or at least, when the store comes back up.)

The 27" is mouch more high end. The upper end of the range includes a  
QUAD CORE processor, but won't be with us until November.

Both iMacs will have an SD Card slot.

There's a new mouse - the mechanical scroll ball is replaced with a  
more tackpad like surface, so scrolling is by two fingered gestures.

Mac Mini has got revamped - 2.26GHz and 2.53GHz.

Also - Mac Mini Server! $999 and includes Mac OS X Server. No optical  
drive, but up to 1TB internal hard disk.



It looks like a great line up.

Paul


From band1 at mac.com  Tue Oct 20 17:36:36 2009
From: band1 at mac.com (David King)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:36:36 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Look for updates TODAY!
In-Reply-To: <1216991A-0A59-4CE5-B164-FEF69290F43D@durrant.co.uk>
References: <F3EC2545-B611-4BEB-91C9-95B4FEEE95B5@durrant.co.uk>
	<C32D29E7-437D-470F-B82B-6A8CCA31B040@durrant.co.uk>
	<52D36F28-C7F7-4D4B-88A8-FE7BB0F5B765@mac.com>
	<92434D5E-2D3B-4AF5-98B1-BF5678C3AC48@durrant.co.uk>
	<4365D487-FE7C-4254-8DF6-D6E0E8A7EB27@mac.com>
	<1216991A-0A59-4CE5-B164-FEF69290F43D@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4307448A-7580-43D0-A25B-F0EC18CFA4EE@mac.com>

The store is back up

David


On 20 Oct 2009, at 17:20, Paul Durrant wrote:

> The Apple Store isn't back up yet, but BusinessWeek have jumped the
> gun, and if they've broken an embargo time are going to be in Apple's
> Bad Books.
>
> http://www.businessweek.com/technology/ByteOfTheApple/blog/archives/2009/10/apple_announces.html
>
> The MacBook has a new polycarbonate shell, that's more like the
> unibody aluminium, and a built-in 7 hour battery, a LED backlight,
> 2.26GHz, 250GB and still the same price (in US$, anyway!)
>
> No more 20" and 24" iMac. The smaller iMac is now 21.5", and the
> bigger is 27", both with LED backlights.
>
> The new iMac design has a much smaller 'chin' under the display.
>
> The 21.5" has 3.06 and 3.33GHz chips, optional high end graphics, up
> to 16GB RAM and up to 2TB (Yes, 2,000GB) storage. Te 21.5" is
> available now. (Or at least, when the store comes back up.)
>
> The 27" is mouch more high end. The upper end of the range includes a
> QUAD CORE processor, but won't be with us until November.
>
> Both iMacs will have an SD Card slot.
>
> There's a new mouse - the mechanical scroll ball is replaced with a
> more tackpad like surface, so scrolling is by two fingered gestures.
>
> Mac Mini has got revamped - 2.26GHz and 2.53GHz.
>
> Also - Mac Mini Server! $999 and includes Mac OS X Server. No optical
> drive, but up to 1TB internal hard disk.
>
>
>
> It looks like a great line up.
>
> Paul
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue Oct 20 17:40:28 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:40:28 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Look for updates TODAY!
In-Reply-To: <1216991A-0A59-4CE5-B164-FEF69290F43D@durrant.co.uk>
References: <F3EC2545-B611-4BEB-91C9-95B4FEEE95B5@durrant.co.uk>
	<C32D29E7-437D-470F-B82B-6A8CCA31B040@durrant.co.uk>
	<52D36F28-C7F7-4D4B-88A8-FE7BB0F5B765@mac.com>
	<92434D5E-2D3B-4AF5-98B1-BF5678C3AC48@durrant.co.uk>
	<4365D487-FE7C-4254-8DF6-D6E0E8A7EB27@mac.com>
	<1216991A-0A59-4CE5-B164-FEF69290F43D@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5A23B9DA-4AB8-4FEE-ACA8-AD45341ACFC7@durrant.co.uk>

BusinessWeek didn't jump the gun - the store is just slow coming back.

Full details are on the UK web site (except pricing).

http://www.apple.com/uk/macbook/
http://www.apple.com/uk/imac/
http://www.apple.com/uk/macmini/
http://www.apple.com/uk/macmini/

regards,

Paul

On 20 Oct 2009, at 17:20, Paul Durrant wrote:

> The Apple Store isn't back up yet, but BusinessWeek have jumped the
> gun, and if they've broken an embargo time are going to be in Apple's
> Bad Books.
>
> http://www.businessweek.com/technology/ByteOfTheApple/blog/archives/2009/10/apple_announces.html
>
> The MacBook has a new polycarbonate shell, that's more like the
> unibody aluminium, and a built-in 7 hour battery, a LED backlight,
> 2.26GHz, 250GB and still the same price (in US$, anyway!)
>
> No more 20" and 24" iMac. The smaller iMac is now 21.5", and the
> bigger is 27", both with LED backlights.
>
> The new iMac design has a much smaller 'chin' under the display.
>
> The 21.5" has 3.06 and 3.33GHz chips, optional high end graphics, up
> to 16GB RAM and up to 2TB (Yes, 2,000GB) storage. Te 21.5" is
> available now. (Or at least, when the store comes back up.)
>
> The 27" is mouch more high end. The upper end of the range includes a
> QUAD CORE processor, but won't be with us until November.
>
> Both iMacs will have an SD Card slot.
>
> There's a new mouse - the mechanical scroll ball is replaced with a
> more tackpad like surface, so scrolling is by two fingered gestures.
>
> Mac Mini has got revamped - 2.26GHz and 2.53GHz.
>
> Also - Mac Mini Server! $999 and includes Mac OS X Server. No optical
> drive, but up to 1TB internal hard disk.
>
>
>
> It looks like a great line up.
>
> Paul
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>


From macman at f2s.com  Tue Oct 20 17:44:38 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:44:38 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Look for updates TODAY!
In-Reply-To: <F3EC2545-B611-4BEB-91C9-95B4FEEE95B5@durrant.co.uk>
References: <F3EC2545-B611-4BEB-91C9-95B4FEEE95B5@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <FDF7BAF6-5F26-422B-AC0D-A120734D1A82@f2s.com>

 From Apple Hot News RSS ......

1.  Apple today updated its popular MacBook with a new, durable  
polycarbonate unibody design featuring a brilliant LED-backlit  
display, a glass Multi-Touch trackpad and Apple?s innovative built-in  
battery for up to seven hours of battery life. Inheriting technology  
and design features from the MacBook Pro line, the new MacBook is an  
ideal consumer notebook for students and new Mac users, and is  
available for $999.

2. Today Apple introduced the new wireless Magic Mouse, the first  
mouse to use Apple?s revolutionary Multi-Touch technology. Pioneered  
on iPhone, iPod touch and Mac notebook trackpads, Multi-Touch allows  
customers to navigate using intuitive finger gestures. Instead of  
mechanical buttons, scroll wheels or scroll balls, the entire top of  
the Magic Mouse is a seamless Multi-Touch surface. Magic Mouse comes  
standard with the new iMac and will be available as a Mac accessory at  
just $69.

3. Apple today unveiled an all new iMac line featuring brilliant LED- 
backlit 21.5 and 27-inch widescreen displays in a new edge-to-edge  
glass design and seamless all aluminum enclosure. The new iMac line,  
starting at $1,199, is the fastest ever with Intel Core 2 Duo  
processors starting at 3.06 GHz, and Core i5 and i7 quad-core  
processors for up to twice the performance. Every new iMac ships with  
a wireless keyboard and the all new wireless Magic Mouse, the world?s  
first mouse with Multi-Touch technology.




Robbie

On 20 Oct 2009, at 09:54, Paul Durrant wrote:

The current rumour is that Apple will announce lots of updated
products later today - MacBook, iMac, Mac Mini, Mouse.

We'll find out in a few hours if it's true!

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2009/10/19/tomorrow

regards,

Paul

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From band1 at mac.com  Tue Oct 20 17:46:14 2009
From: band1 at mac.com (David King)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:46:14 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Look for updates TODAY!
In-Reply-To: <5A23B9DA-4AB8-4FEE-ACA8-AD45341ACFC7@durrant.co.uk>
References: <F3EC2545-B611-4BEB-91C9-95B4FEEE95B5@durrant.co.uk>
	<C32D29E7-437D-470F-B82B-6A8CCA31B040@durrant.co.uk>
	<52D36F28-C7F7-4D4B-88A8-FE7BB0F5B765@mac.com>
	<92434D5E-2D3B-4AF5-98B1-BF5678C3AC48@durrant.co.uk>
	<4365D487-FE7C-4254-8DF6-D6E0E8A7EB27@mac.com>
	<1216991A-0A59-4CE5-B164-FEF69290F43D@durrant.co.uk>
	<5A23B9DA-4AB8-4FEE-ACA8-AD45341ACFC7@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3031908F-931F-4014-9466-AE4A5D67EBEF@mac.com>

The pricing is there.  Mac mini has a boost but same price.

David


On 20 Oct 2009, at 17:40, Paul Durrant wrote:

> BusinessWeek didn't jump the gun - the store is just slow coming back.
>
> Full details are on the UK web site (except pricing).
>
> http://www.apple.com/uk/macbook/
> http://www.apple.com/uk/imac/
> http://www.apple.com/uk/macmini/
> http://www.apple.com/uk/macmini/
>
> regards,
>
> Paul
>
> On 20 Oct 2009, at 17:20, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
>> The Apple Store isn't back up yet, but BusinessWeek have jumped the
>> gun, and if they've broken an embargo time are going to be in Apple's
>> Bad Books.
>>
>> http://www.businessweek.com/technology/ByteOfTheApple/blog/archives/2009/10/apple_announces.html
>>
>> The MacBook has a new polycarbonate shell, that's more like the
>> unibody aluminium, and a built-in 7 hour battery, a LED backlight,
>> 2.26GHz, 250GB and still the same price (in US$, anyway!)
>>
>> No more 20" and 24" iMac. The smaller iMac is now 21.5", and the
>> bigger is 27", both with LED backlights.
>>
>> The new iMac design has a much smaller 'chin' under the display.
>>
>> The 21.5" has 3.06 and 3.33GHz chips, optional high end graphics, up
>> to 16GB RAM and up to 2TB (Yes, 2,000GB) storage. Te 21.5" is
>> available now. (Or at least, when the store comes back up.)
>>
>> The 27" is mouch more high end. The upper end of the range includes a
>> QUAD CORE processor, but won't be with us until November.
>>
>> Both iMacs will have an SD Card slot.
>>
>> There's a new mouse - the mechanical scroll ball is replaced with a
>> more tackpad like surface, so scrolling is by two fingered gestures.
>>
>> Mac Mini has got revamped - 2.26GHz and 2.53GHz.
>>
>> Also - Mac Mini Server! $999 and includes Mac OS X Server. No optical
>> drive, but up to 1TB internal hard disk.
>>
>>
>>
>> It looks like a great line up.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Tue Oct 20 17:48:19 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:48:19 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Look for updates TODAY!
In-Reply-To: <FDF7BAF6-5F26-422B-AC0D-A120734D1A82@f2s.com>
References: <F3EC2545-B611-4BEB-91C9-95B4FEEE95B5@durrant.co.uk>
	<FDF7BAF6-5F26-422B-AC0D-A120734D1A82@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <1C648084-84B4-446F-ABB5-3F2B5240E99D@zen.co.uk>

So, thats out of the way.

When are we going to get updates to Aperture, Final Cut Express using  
64 bit goodness......?

Any ideas?

Also, does anyone know of a rental shop that will rent out digital  
projectors. I'm doing a presentation for someone at the end of  
November and don't want to buy one. Must be Mac DVI capable or at  
least fit an adapter.


Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 20 Oct 2009, at 17:44, Robbie Murray wrote:

> From Apple Hot News RSS ......
>
> 1.  Apple today updated its popular MacBook with a new, durable
> polycarbonate unibody design featuring a brilliant LED-backlit
> display, a glass Multi-Touch trackpad and Apple?s innovative built-in
> battery for up to seven hours of battery life. Inheriting technology
> and design features from the MacBook Pro line, the new MacBook is an
> ideal consumer notebook for students and new Mac users, and is
> available for $999.
>
> 2. Today Apple introduced the new wireless Magic Mouse, the first
> mouse to use Apple?s revolutionary Multi-Touch technology. Pioneered
> on iPhone, iPod touch and Mac notebook trackpads, Multi-Touch allows
> customers to navigate using intuitive finger gestures. Instead of
> mechanical buttons, scroll wheels or scroll balls, the entire top of
> the Magic Mouse is a seamless Multi-Touch surface. Magic Mouse comes
> standard with the new iMac and will be available as a Mac accessory at
> just $69.
>
> 3. Apple today unveiled an all new iMac line featuring brilliant LED-
> backlit 21.5 and 27-inch widescreen displays in a new edge-to-edge
> glass design and seamless all aluminum enclosure. The new iMac line,
> starting at $1,199, is the fastest ever with Intel Core 2 Duo
> processors starting at 3.06 GHz, and Core i5 and i7 quad-core
> processors for up to twice the performance. Every new iMac ships with
> a wireless keyboard and the all new wireless Magic Mouse, the world?s
> first mouse with Multi-Touch technology.
>
>
>
>
> Robbie
>
> On 20 Oct 2009, at 09:54, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
> The current rumour is that Apple will announce lots of updated
> products later today - MacBook, iMac, Mac Mini, Mouse.
>
> We'll find out in a few hours if it's true!
>
> http://daringfireball.net/linked/2009/10/19/tomorrow
>
> regards,
>
> Paul
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From ian at igdesign.co.uk  Tue Oct 20 18:39:18 2009
From: ian at igdesign.co.uk (Ian Garrett)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:39:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] "Inside Macintosh" vols 1-5 from 1987
Message-ID: <E540800F-C1D9-4B27-84A0-CB2FF5FF3150@igdesign.co.uk>

Dear All,

I have volumes I to V of Inside Macintosh, going free to a good home.  
Well, any home really. This is the original technical manual for the  
Mac operating system in the days of OS6 and 7, and a lot of it stayed  
relevant up to OS9, although there were many more volumes by then.  
Vols I-IV are from 1987; Vol V is 1988. They're in "used" condition,  
though not actually falling apart. If anyone is interested, I might be  
able to get them to Norwich sometime soon (I live in Felixstowe).  
Otherwise they're for the bin.

Regards,
Ian

From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue Oct 20 19:22:46 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:22:46 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Look for updates TODAY!
In-Reply-To: <4307448A-7580-43D0-A25B-F0EC18CFA4EE@mac.com>
References: <F3EC2545-B611-4BEB-91C9-95B4FEEE95B5@durrant.co.uk>
	<C32D29E7-437D-470F-B82B-6A8CCA31B040@durrant.co.uk>
	<52D36F28-C7F7-4D4B-88A8-FE7BB0F5B765@mac.com>
	<92434D5E-2D3B-4AF5-98B1-BF5678C3AC48@durrant.co.uk>
	<4365D487-FE7C-4254-8DF6-D6E0E8A7EB27@mac.com>
	<1216991A-0A59-4CE5-B164-FEF69290F43D@durrant.co.uk>
	<4307448A-7580-43D0-A25B-F0EC18CFA4EE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <6D72E0CA-917C-43EE-9D1F-3E622AAF6293@durrant.co.uk>

So it is.

MacBook - now up to ?799 from ?749. Not a good move. :-(
And they've dropped firewire on the MacBook - a very bad move.
It looks rather poor value compared to the 13" MacBook Pro, just ?100  
more, and with Firewire 800 and an SD card slot. (In the US, the  
difference is $200)

The iMacs look wonderful, as do the Mac Minis and Mac Mini Server.

regards,

Paul




On 20 Oct 2009, at 17:36, David King wrote:

> The store is back up
>
> David
>
>
> On 20 Oct 2009, at 17:20, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
>> The Apple Store isn't back up yet, but BusinessWeek have jumped the
>> gun, and if they've broken an embargo time are going to be in Apple's
>> Bad Books.
>>
>> http://www.businessweek.com/technology/ByteOfTheApple/blog/archives/2009/10/apple_announces.html
>>
>> The MacBook has a new polycarbonate shell, that's more like the
>> unibody aluminium, and a built-in 7 hour battery, a LED backlight,
>> 2.26GHz, 250GB and still the same price (in US$, anyway!)
>>
>> No more 20" and 24" iMac. The smaller iMac is now 21.5", and the
>> bigger is 27", both with LED backlights.
>>
>> The new iMac design has a much smaller 'chin' under the display.
>>
>> The 21.5" has 3.06 and 3.33GHz chips, optional high end graphics, up
>> to 16GB RAM and up to 2TB (Yes, 2,000GB) storage. Te 21.5" is
>> available now. (Or at least, when the store comes back up.)
>>
>> The 27" is mouch more high end. The upper end of the range includes a
>> QUAD CORE processor, but won't be with us until November.
>>
>> Both iMacs will have an SD Card slot.
>>
>> There's a new mouse - the mechanical scroll ball is replaced with a
>> more tackpad like surface, so scrolling is by two fingered gestures.
>>
>> Mac Mini has got revamped - 2.26GHz and 2.53GHz.
>>
>> Also - Mac Mini Server! $999 and includes Mac OS X Server. No optical
>> drive, but up to 1TB internal hard disk.
>>
>>
>>
>> It looks like a great line up.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
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From ricnev at mac.com  Tue Oct 20 19:36:17 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:36:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Look for updates TODAY!
In-Reply-To: <6D72E0CA-917C-43EE-9D1F-3E622AAF6293@durrant.co.uk>
References: <F3EC2545-B611-4BEB-91C9-95B4FEEE95B5@durrant.co.uk>
	<C32D29E7-437D-470F-B82B-6A8CCA31B040@durrant.co.uk>
	<52D36F28-C7F7-4D4B-88A8-FE7BB0F5B765@mac.com>
	<92434D5E-2D3B-4AF5-98B1-BF5678C3AC48@durrant.co.uk>
	<4365D487-FE7C-4254-8DF6-D6E0E8A7EB27@mac.com>
	<1216991A-0A59-4CE5-B164-FEF69290F43D@durrant.co.uk>
	<4307448A-7580-43D0-A25B-F0EC18CFA4EE@mac.com>
	<6D72E0CA-917C-43EE-9D1F-3E622AAF6293@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <01BED516-CF4E-45F3-91FB-6B76F89961ED@mac.com>


On 20 Oct 2009, at 19:22, Paul Durrant wrote:

> The iMacs look wonderful

That Jony (sic) Ives has been at it again, I see.

I think the marketing video for the new iMacs is pretty polished in  
itself, and it's great to see our English designer centre stage.

Of course I want one, but I can only justify it if I can get one of my  
older machines to crack up.

A few months of flat-out AVCHD video editing should do it, I reckon.

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com




From ricnev at mac.com  Tue Oct 20 19:46:51 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 19:46:51 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Look for updates TODAY!
In-Reply-To: <6D72E0CA-917C-43EE-9D1F-3E622AAF6293@durrant.co.uk>
References: <F3EC2545-B611-4BEB-91C9-95B4FEEE95B5@durrant.co.uk>
	<C32D29E7-437D-470F-B82B-6A8CCA31B040@durrant.co.uk>
	<52D36F28-C7F7-4D4B-88A8-FE7BB0F5B765@mac.com>
	<92434D5E-2D3B-4AF5-98B1-BF5678C3AC48@durrant.co.uk>
	<4365D487-FE7C-4254-8DF6-D6E0E8A7EB27@mac.com>
	<1216991A-0A59-4CE5-B164-FEF69290F43D@durrant.co.uk>
	<4307448A-7580-43D0-A25B-F0EC18CFA4EE@mac.com>
	<6D72E0CA-917C-43EE-9D1F-3E622AAF6293@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <0DB19A26-375A-4930-A623-0D6F955FEF8A@mac.com>


On 20 Oct 2009, at 19:22, Paul Durrant wrote:

> The iMacs look wonderful


And just check out that Magic mouse - possibly the most innovative and  
important engineering/design feature of today's launches.

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com




From helendawson41 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 20 20:22:11 2009
From: helendawson41 at yahoo.com (Helen Dawson)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:22:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NMUG] Help! - Printer recognition
Message-ID: <402917.14501.qm@web112015.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi all.

I have an Apple imac OSX10.5.7

It won't recognise my laser printer Panasonic KX-P6300, although it seems to recognise a significant number of other Panasonic models.  

I know the printer is ten years old, but it hasn't had much use and it was still functioning perfectly with the old pc.  I'm reluctant to consign it to the re-cycle bin and buy a newer model if there is a way that I can use it with the new Apple.

Is anyone able to help, please?

Helen


      

From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Tue Oct 20 20:55:03 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:55:03 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Help! - Printer recognition
In-Reply-To: <402917.14501.qm@web112015.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <402917.14501.qm@web112015.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <483D4564-B1E3-46A2-91EC-BD2922C105D0@zen.co.uk>

Could Try the Gutenprint Drivers.... They cover off a lot, track down  
at Version tracker

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 20 Oct 2009, at 20:22, Helen Dawson wrote:

> Hi all.
>
> I have an Apple imac OSX10.5.7
>
> It won't recognise my laser printer Panasonic KX-P6300, although it  
> seems to recognise a significant number of other Panasonic models.
>
> I know the printer is ten years old, but it hasn't had much use and  
> it was still functioning perfectly with the old pc.  I'm reluctant  
> to consign it to the re-cycle bin and buy a newer model if there is  
> a way that I can use it with the new Apple.
>
> Is anyone able to help, please?
>
> Helen
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue Oct 20 21:56:09 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:56:09 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Summary of today's updates
In-Reply-To: <6D72E0CA-917C-43EE-9D1F-3E622AAF6293@durrant.co.uk>
References: <F3EC2545-B611-4BEB-91C9-95B4FEEE95B5@durrant.co.uk>
	<C32D29E7-437D-470F-B82B-6A8CCA31B040@durrant.co.uk>
	<52D36F28-C7F7-4D4B-88A8-FE7BB0F5B765@mac.com>
	<92434D5E-2D3B-4AF5-98B1-BF5678C3AC48@durrant.co.uk>
	<4365D487-FE7C-4254-8DF6-D6E0E8A7EB27@mac.com>
	<1216991A-0A59-4CE5-B164-FEF69290F43D@durrant.co.uk>
	<4307448A-7580-43D0-A25B-F0EC18CFA4EE@mac.com>
	<6D72E0CA-917C-43EE-9D1F-3E622AAF6293@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <E75DD5B0-9868-494F-B0F4-544529D4B294@durrant.co.uk>

I've been having a look through the updates. Here's my summary and  
comments.

MacBook
=======
A nice design, but spoiled by lack of Firewire. I'd recommend anyone  
wanting a 13" portable Mac to spend the extra ?100 and get the 13"  
MacBook Pro.


iMac
====
iMac 21.5" Low: What's not to like? Bigger display (21.5", 1920x1080  
pixels), faster processor, more memory, bigger hard drive, Sd card  
slot, SAME price as before, ?949. (?1:$1.45)

iMac 21.5" High: Not as good value as the low end model IMO. An Extra  
500GB storage and a better graphics card doesn't seem a lot for the  
extra ?250. But if you'll be doing intensive graphics or 3D gaming it  
might be worth it.

iMac 27" Low: What's not to like? Bigger display (27", 2560x1440  
pixels), faster processor, same memory, but 16GB maximum, bigger hard  
drive, Better Graphics card, SD card slot, LOWER price than before,  
?1349. (?1:$1.45)

iMac 27" High: Wow. As above, but QUAD core processor and better  
graphics. And ?200 cheaper than the previous high-end iMac, at 'just'  
?1599. (?1:$1.44)

And the 27" iMacs can display video from an external source - i.e. you  
can use them as a big 27" monitor for, say, a BlueRay player. Amazing  
value, seeing as the 30" monitor (2560x1600) costs ?1173 on its own!

All iMacs now come with new Magic Mouse and Bluetooth keyboard as  
standard.

Mac mini
========
Same prices as before, but faster with more memory and bigger hard  
disks. A ho-hum speed bump. EXCEPT - the Mac mini now has BOTH a Mini  
DisplayPort AND a Mini DVI port, and it can use both at once, support  
TWO monitors!

But the BIGGER Mac mini news is the Mac mini Server. ?799 gets you the  
Mac mini server. A new machine in a Mac mini case - but with no  
optical drive. This makes room to have dual 500GB internal hard drives  
- giving mirroring in-the-box. And that ?799 INCLUDES the ?399  
unlimited Snow Leopard Server software. This is an amazing little  
server machine. Stunning value.

Magic Mouse
===========
Intriguing new bluetooth mouse. Looks good. ?55.

Remote Control
==============
At last, a new remote control that matches the Aluminium styling of  
new Macs. ?15.

regards,

Paul

From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue Oct 20 22:01:47 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:01:47 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Help! - Printer recognition
In-Reply-To: <402917.14501.qm@web112015.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <402917.14501.qm@web112015.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <66E1063C-1C75-4824-8C56-704F3D2BBE3C@durrant.co.uk>

I think that printer is a GDI printer - it relies on the Graphics  
System Software in Windows to work, and won't work with anything other  
than Windows.

Gutenprint says it supports the KX-P6150 and the KX-P6500, but doesn't  
mention your KX-P6300. It's still worth trying, but I don't expect it  
to work. You can download from

http://sourceforge.net/projects/gimp-print/files/

you want the gutenprint-5.2.4.dmg download.

regards,

Paul

On 20 Oct 2009, at 20:22, Helen Dawson wrote:

> I have an Apple imac OSX10.5.7
>
> It won't recognise my laser printer Panasonic KX-P6300, although it  
> seems to recognise a significant number of other Panasonic models.
>
> I know the printer is ten years old, but it hasn't had much use and  
> it was still functioning perfectly with the old pc.  I'm reluctant  
> to consign it to the re-cycle bin and buy a newer model if there is  
> a way that I can use it with the new Apple.
>
> Is anyone able to help, please?


From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Tue Oct 20 22:03:14 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:03:14 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Summary of today's updates
In-Reply-To: <E75DD5B0-9868-494F-B0F4-544529D4B294@durrant.co.uk>
References: <F3EC2545-B611-4BEB-91C9-95B4FEEE95B5@durrant.co.uk>
	<C32D29E7-437D-470F-B82B-6A8CCA31B040@durrant.co.uk>
	<52D36F28-C7F7-4D4B-88A8-FE7BB0F5B765@mac.com>
	<92434D5E-2D3B-4AF5-98B1-BF5678C3AC48@durrant.co.uk>
	<4365D487-FE7C-4254-8DF6-D6E0E8A7EB27@mac.com>
	<1216991A-0A59-4CE5-B164-FEF69290F43D@durrant.co.uk>
	<4307448A-7580-43D0-A25B-F0EC18CFA4EE@mac.com>
	<6D72E0CA-917C-43EE-9D1F-3E622AAF6293@durrant.co.uk>
	<E75DD5B0-9868-494F-B0F4-544529D4B294@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <301BBF0B-5BDD-43B2-86EB-F9AB215CC597@zen.co.uk>

Pretty good summary. Were it not that I upgraded earlier this year the  
high end Macs would be very tempting against the base Mac Pro I bought 
(2.26 Octocore). One thing I have found is that all 8 cores do  
occasionally get an outing but so far the most processor intensive its  
got is 50% and briefly at that.

However, what will GCD and OpenCL open up on updated software like  
Aperture and Final Cut?

It will be interesting to see the benchmarks when they are done.

I will however, be getting a magic mouse.

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 20 Oct 2009, at 21:56, Paul Durrant wrote:

> I've been having a look through the updates. Here's my summary and
> comments.
>
> MacBook
> =======
> A nice design, but spoiled by lack of Firewire. I'd recommend anyone
> wanting a 13" portable Mac to spend the extra ?100 and get the 13"
> MacBook Pro.
>
>
> iMac
> ====
> iMac 21.5" Low: What's not to like? Bigger display (21.5", 1920x1080
> pixels), faster processor, more memory, bigger hard drive, Sd card
> slot, SAME price as before, ?949. (?1:$1.45)
>
> iMac 21.5" High: Not as good value as the low end model IMO. An Extra
> 500GB storage and a better graphics card doesn't seem a lot for the
> extra ?250. But if you'll be doing intensive graphics or 3D gaming it
> might be worth it.
>
> iMac 27" Low: What's not to like? Bigger display (27", 2560x1440
> pixels), faster processor, same memory, but 16GB maximum, bigger hard
> drive, Better Graphics card, SD card slot, LOWER price than before,
> ?1349. (?1:$1.45)
>
> iMac 27" High: Wow. As above, but QUAD core processor and better
> graphics. And ?200 cheaper than the previous high-end iMac, at 'just'
> ?1599. (?1:$1.44)
>
> And the 27" iMacs can display video from an external source - i.e. you
> can use them as a big 27" monitor for, say, a BlueRay player. Amazing
> value, seeing as the 30" monitor (2560x1600) costs ?1173 on its own!
>
> All iMacs now come with new Magic Mouse and Bluetooth keyboard as
> standard.
>
> Mac mini
> ========
> Same prices as before, but faster with more memory and bigger hard
> disks. A ho-hum speed bump. EXCEPT - the Mac mini now has BOTH a Mini
> DisplayPort AND a Mini DVI port, and it can use both at once, support
> TWO monitors!
>
> But the BIGGER Mac mini news is the Mac mini Server. ?799 gets you the
> Mac mini server. A new machine in a Mac mini case - but with no
> optical drive. This makes room to have dual 500GB internal hard drives
> - giving mirroring in-the-box. And that ?799 INCLUDES the ?399
> unlimited Snow Leopard Server software. This is an amazing little
> server machine. Stunning value.
>
> Magic Mouse
> ===========
> Intriguing new bluetooth mouse. Looks good. ?55.
>
> Remote Control
> ==============
> At last, a new remote control that matches the Aluminium styling of
> new Macs. ?15.
>
> regards,
>
> Paul
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From david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk  Tue Oct 20 22:05:39 2009
From: david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk (David Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:05:39 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Summary of today's updates
In-Reply-To: <301BBF0B-5BDD-43B2-86EB-F9AB215CC597@zen.co.uk>
References: <F3EC2545-B611-4BEB-91C9-95B4FEEE95B5@durrant.co.uk>
	<C32D29E7-437D-470F-B82B-6A8CCA31B040@durrant.co.uk>
	<52D36F28-C7F7-4D4B-88A8-FE7BB0F5B765@mac.com>
	<92434D5E-2D3B-4AF5-98B1-BF5678C3AC48@durrant.co.uk>
	<4365D487-FE7C-4254-8DF6-D6E0E8A7EB27@mac.com>
	<1216991A-0A59-4CE5-B164-FEF69290F43D@durrant.co.uk>
	<4307448A-7580-43D0-A25B-F0EC18CFA4EE@mac.com>
	<6D72E0CA-917C-43EE-9D1F-3E622AAF6293@durrant.co.uk>
	<E75DD5B0-9868-494F-B0F4-544529D4B294@durrant.co.uk>
	<301BBF0B-5BDD-43B2-86EB-F9AB215CC597@zen.co.uk>
Message-ID: <33C1B767-92C7-428D-B20F-FA2D059BB2A9@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>


On 20 Oct 2009, at 22:03, Steven Jefferson wrote:

> I will however, be getting a magic mouse.


Me too. I don't really have any need to upgrade at the moment but the  
mouse looks interesting enough to give a try.  Hopefully will be able  
to try one out in the Apple store beforehand.

-- 
David Reynolds
david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk


From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Wed Oct 21 10:04:10 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 10:04:10 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] P/Shop
Message-ID: <BB06B73F-414D-4512-9A75-4BC2F32CE322@virgin.net>


I am editing 700 images from a dance school shoot.

Has anyone any ideas as to why, in Photoshop, when saving the images  
as jpegs the 'Save As'  box keeps changing the quality number  ie;  
8,10,12 etc all on it's own?

I do perhaps, 12 images at quality 10 and when I go to save the next  
image it changes itself to 8!

Regards

Martin

Martin Fry
www.martinfryphotography.com





From stairbooks at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Oct 21 12:53:07 2009
From: stairbooks at yahoo.co.uk (Stair)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:53:07 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NMUG] Email attaching
Message-ID: <174281.16361.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi all,

I tried to attach an email using Yahoo mail in Firefox on my MacBook today and the document (as were several others) was greyed out so I couldn't click on it. 

Firefox also crashed.

Anyone know what is wrong?

Stair



      

From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Wed Oct 21 13:50:50 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:50:50 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Email attaching
In-Reply-To: <174281.16361.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <174281.16361.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4ADF03AA.9090507@stackyard.org>

Did you actually intend to attach one email message inside another 
email?  If so, I don't know how Yahoo will react to this without first 
saving the email as text and then attaching it.  I don't use BT/Yahoo so 
don't know.  The better option is to forward the email you intended to 
attach rather than actually trying to attach it.

Or were you attaching a document?

What was the size of the thing you were trying to attach?

And at what point did Firefox crash?

Ken

Stair wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I tried to attach an email using Yahoo mail in Firefox on my MacBook today and the document (as were several others) was greyed out so I couldn't click on it. 
>
> Firefox also crashed.
>
> Anyone know what is wrong?
>
> Stair
>
>
>
>       
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From tom at tomkershaw.com  Wed Oct 21 15:13:03 2009
From: tom at tomkershaw.com (Tom Kershaw)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:13:03 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] P/Shop
In-Reply-To: <BB06B73F-414D-4512-9A75-4BC2F32CE322@virgin.net>
References: <BB06B73F-414D-4512-9A75-4BC2F32CE322@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <4ADF16EF.9090703@tomkershaw.com>

Martin,

Assuming you're shooting in RAW, why not simply convert down to jpeg at 
the end point? I don't really see any advantages working in jpeg format, 
although there are many disadvantages.

Tom

Martin Fry wrote:
> I am editing 700 images from a dance school shoot.
>
> Has anyone any ideas as to why, in Photoshop, when saving the images  
> as jpegs the 'Save As'  box keeps changing the quality number  ie;  
> 8,10,12 etc all on it's own?
>
> I do perhaps, 12 images at quality 10 and when I go to save the next  
> image it changes itself to 8!
>
> Regards
>
> Martin
>
> Martin Fry
> www.martinfryphotography.com
>
>
>
>
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From david.tillyer at googlemail.com  Wed Oct 21 16:04:14 2009
From: david.tillyer at googlemail.com (David Tillyer)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:04:14 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Migration Assitant
Message-ID: <f8880ecc0910210804h14becdadi98bc283f6149825c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Guys & Gals,
I've been very happy with my 24" iMac up until yesterday when Apple launched
the 27" Quad Core version which will suit my needs perfectly. Suffice to say
I am scheming up ways to get the money together. I will want to migrate my
stuff from the Old iMac on to the new one but I only want certain
apps transferred. Can I be selective on what goes across or is 'all or
nothing'?

Cheers,

Dave

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From tom at tomkershaw.com  Wed Oct 21 16:07:22 2009
From: tom at tomkershaw.com (Tom Kershaw)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:07:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Migration Assitant
In-Reply-To: <f8880ecc0910210804h14becdadi98bc283f6149825c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f8880ecc0910210804h14becdadi98bc283f6149825c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ADF23AA.1080908@tomkershaw.com>

What about waiting for the Mac Pro machines to be updated, you then have 
more choice over upgrades, monitor selection etc? I suppose it's a 
question of more expense now for a longer lasting system or deciding to 
upgrade to a new machine every couple of years.

Tom

David Tillyer wrote:
> Hi Guys & Gals,
> I've been very happy with my 24" iMac up until yesterday when Apple launched
> the 27" Quad Core version which will suit my needs perfectly. Suffice to say
> I am scheming up ways to get the money together. I will want to migrate my
> stuff from the Old iMac on to the new one but I only want certain
> apps transferred. Can I be selective on what goes across or is 'all or
> nothing'?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave
>
>   


From david.tillyer at googlemail.com  Wed Oct 21 16:20:48 2009
From: david.tillyer at googlemail.com (David Tillyer)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:20:48 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Migration Assitant
In-Reply-To: <4ADF23AA.1080908@tomkershaw.com>
References: <f8880ecc0910210804h14becdadi98bc283f6149825c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ADF23AA.1080908@tomkershaw.com>
Message-ID: <f8880ecc0910210820t4f9872dev638c4acb7ad77d2f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tom,
The Pro's are over-kill for me and the 27" LED Screen and ability to play
xbox or playstation through it as just a monitor is great. I also like the
all-in-one form factor and the ?1600 price point is about all I could
afford.

D

2009/10/21 Tom Kershaw <tom at tomkershaw.com>

> What about waiting for the Mac Pro machines to be updated, you then have
> more choice over upgrades, monitor selection etc? I suppose it's a
> question of more expense now for a longer lasting system or deciding to
> upgrade to a new machine every couple of years.
>
> Tom
>
> David Tillyer wrote:
>
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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed Oct 21 16:27:44 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:27:44 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Migration Assitant
In-Reply-To: <f8880ecc0910210804h14becdadi98bc283f6149825c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f8880ecc0910210804h14becdadi98bc283f6149825c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <66B60E5A-0712-4DD3-A259-4E95688C889B@durrant.co.uk>

Migration Assistant allows you to choose categories to be transferred,  
but not to pick and choose within the categories. So you could choose  
not to transfer Applications, but you can't choose to transfer just  
some Applications.

And yes, the qyad-core 27" iMac looks like a fantastic machine.
Mind you - the Mac mini is looking pretty good these days too, with  
dual monitor support.

Paul

On 21 Oct 2009, at 16:04, David Tillyer wrote:

> Hi Guys & Gals,
> I've been very happy with my 24" iMac up until yesterday when Apple  
> launched
> the 27" Quad Core version which will suit my needs perfectly.  
> Suffice to say
> I am scheming up ways to get the money together. I will want to  
> migrate my
> stuff from the Old iMac on to the new one but I only want certain
> apps transferred. Can I be selective on what goes across or is 'all or
> nothing'?
>


From david.tillyer at googlemail.com  Wed Oct 21 16:33:22 2009
From: david.tillyer at googlemail.com (David Tillyer)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:33:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Migration Assitant
In-Reply-To: <66B60E5A-0712-4DD3-A259-4E95688C889B@durrant.co.uk>
References: <f8880ecc0910210804h14becdadi98bc283f6149825c@mail.gmail.com>
	<66B60E5A-0712-4DD3-A259-4E95688C889B@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <f8880ecc0910210833q3d035cd8rb697a0d95376b470@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Paul,
I would want to only transfer applications although I worry that I only have
the old iLife and the new machine would have the new one. I assume its smart
enough not to replace new with old?

The Mini is a good prospect, especially after the recent updates but this
may replace my Plasma as my main media screen so the 27" size is crucial and
the 24" Cinema is not big enough.

D

2009/10/21 Paul Durrant <paul at durrant.co.uk>

> Migration Assistant allows you to choose categories to be transferred,
> but not to pick and choose within the categories. So you could choose
> not to transfer Applications, but you can't choose to transfer just
> some Applications.
>
> And yes, the qyad-core 27" iMac looks like a fantastic machine.
> Mind you - the Mac mini is looking pretty good these days too, with
> dual monitor support.
>
> Paul
>
> On 21 Oct 2009, at 16:04, David Tillyer wrote:
>
>
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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed Oct 21 16:37:08 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:37:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Migration Assitant
In-Reply-To: <f8880ecc0910210833q3d035cd8rb697a0d95376b470@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f8880ecc0910210804h14becdadi98bc283f6149825c@mail.gmail.com>
	<66B60E5A-0712-4DD3-A259-4E95688C889B@durrant.co.uk>
	<f8880ecc0910210833q3d035cd8rb697a0d95376b470@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <178609E6-A879-4743-A7E6-E873B42CF398@durrant.co.uk>

Yes, if you transfer the applications, it's smart enough not to delete  
newer versions.

Looking at the price of the 27" iMac compared to the 30" monitor, it's  
surprisingly good value.

Paul

On 21 Oct 2009, at 16:33, David Tillyer wrote:

> Thanks Paul,
> I would want to only transfer applications although I worry that I  
> only have
> the old iLife and the new machine would have the new one. I assume  
> its smart
> enough not to replace new with old?
>
> The Mini is a good prospect, especially after the recent updates but  
> this
> may replace my Plasma as my main media screen so the 27" size is  
> crucial and
> the 24" Cinema is not big enough.
>
> D
>
> 2009/10/21 Paul Durrant <paul at durrant.co.uk>
>
>> Migration Assistant allows you to choose categories to be  
>> transferred,
>> but not to pick and choose within the categories. So you could choose
>> not to transfer Applications, but you can't choose to transfer just
>> some Applications.
>>
>> And yes, the qyad-core 27" iMac looks like a fantastic machine.
>> Mind you - the Mac mini is looking pretty good these days too, with
>> dual monitor support.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On 21 Oct 2009, at 16:04, David Tillyer wrote:
>>
>>
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From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Wed Oct 21 16:41:29 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:41:29 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] P/Shop
In-Reply-To: <4ADF16EF.9090703@tomkershaw.com>
References: <BB06B73F-414D-4512-9A75-4BC2F32CE322@virgin.net>
	<4ADF16EF.9090703@tomkershaw.com>
Message-ID: <5446E436-5687-4942-B5A4-0DA6506D1A94@virgin.net>


  Tom

I really wish you could answer a straight question without trying to  
tell professionals how to do their jobs.

There is no advantage in working in Jpeg at all, but to have the  
images printed at any professional labs & upload them via FTP,  they  
have to be jpegs!

Also shooting 1000 kids images in raw format using a studio light  
setup on site when everything (lighting) is controlled would use a  
massive amount of storage space & time to convert.

I very seldom need to adjust my images using raw as I take the time to  
check & recheck as I shoot.  But I do normally and always have shot  
stock in raw format.

Now, as to my original question:

>> Has anyone any ideas as to why, in Photoshop, when saving the images
>> as jpegs the 'Save As'  box keeps changing the quality number  ie;
>> 8,10,12 etc all on it's own?



Martin



> Martin,
>
> Assuming you're shooting in RAW, why not simply convert down to jpeg  
> at
> the end point? I don't really see any advantages working in jpeg  
> format,
> although there are many disadvantages.
>
> Tom
>
> Martin Fry wrote:
>> I am editing 700 images from a dance school shoot.
>>
>> Has anyone any ideas as to why, in Photoshop, when saving the images
>> as jpegs the 'Save As'  box keeps changing the quality number  ie;
>> 8,10,12 etc all on it's own?
>>
>> I do perhaps, 12 images at quality 10 and when I go to save the next
>> image it changes itself to 8!
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> Martin Fry
>> www.martinfryphotography.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
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>
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From david.tillyer at googlemail.com  Wed Oct 21 16:54:31 2009
From: david.tillyer at googlemail.com (David Tillyer)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:54:31 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Migration Assitant
In-Reply-To: <178609E6-A879-4743-A7E6-E873B42CF398@durrant.co.uk>
References: <f8880ecc0910210804h14becdadi98bc283f6149825c@mail.gmail.com>
	<66B60E5A-0712-4DD3-A259-4E95688C889B@durrant.co.uk>
	<f8880ecc0910210833q3d035cd8rb697a0d95376b470@mail.gmail.com>
	<178609E6-A879-4743-A7E6-E873B42CF398@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <f8880ecc0910210854y6c05e3d4mb44330e0df5e925@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks again Paul,
Great, that's perfect. I didn't bother using the assistant last time as I
wanted to be selective on I moved.

Yes, the 27" is great value in comparison to the 30" and I could always add
a PRO later and use the iMac as a monitor.

Dave

2009/10/21 Paul Durrant <paul at durrant.co.uk>

> Yes, if you transfer the applications, it's smart enough not to delete
> newer versions.
>
> Looking at the price of the 27" iMac compared to the 30" monitor, it's
> surprisingly good value.
>
> Paul
>
> On 21 Oct 2009, at 16:33, David Tillyer wrote:
>
>
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
>
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From david.tillyer at googlemail.com  Wed Oct 21 17:00:08 2009
From: david.tillyer at googlemail.com (David Tillyer)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:00:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] P/Shop
In-Reply-To: <5446E436-5687-4942-B5A4-0DA6506D1A94@virgin.net>
References: <BB06B73F-414D-4512-9A75-4BC2F32CE322@virgin.net>
	<4ADF16EF.9090703@tomkershaw.com>
	<5446E436-5687-4942-B5A4-0DA6506D1A94@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <f8880ecc0910210900q8ee3c2cpd7d2a063a3690936@mail.gmail.com>

Martin,
I agree with you, a question asked should deserve a decent answer or no
response at all.

As for your issue, I cannot see why it would do that. Mine tends to give the
last used qulaity setting or the setting for the file if it has already been
through PS (if that makes sense?).

Do you have lightroom? Its great for batch sizing. But if you are working on
an image by image basis then I do not know what to suggest as it should not
do what it appears to be doing!

Dave

2009/10/21 Martin Fry <martinfry.photo at virgin.net>

>
>  Tom
>
> I really wish you could answer a straight question without trying to
> tell professionals how to do their jobs.
>
> There is no advantage in working in Jpeg at all, but to have the
> images printed at any professional labs & upload them via FTP,  they
> have to be jpegs!
>
> Also shooting 1000 kids images in raw format using a studio light
> setup on site when everything (lighting) is controlled would use a
> massive amount of storage space & time to convert.
>
> I very seldom need to adjust my images using raw as I take the time to
> check & recheck as I shoot.  But I do normally and always have shot
> stock in raw format.
>
> Now, as to my original question:
>
> >> Has anyone any ideas as to why, in Photoshop, when saving the images
> >> as jpegs the 'Save As'  box keeps changing the quality number  ie;
> >> 8,10,12 etc all on it's own?
>
>
>
> Martin
>
>
>
> > Martin,
> >
> > Assuming you're shooting in RAW, why not simply convert down to jpeg
> > at
> > the end point? I don't really see any advantages working in jpeg
> > format,
> > although there are many disadvantages.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > Martin Fry wrote:
> >> I am editing 700 images from a dance school shoot.
> >>
> >> Has anyone any ideas as to why, in Photoshop, when saving the images
> >> as jpegs the 'Save As'  box keeps changing the quality number  ie;
> >> 8,10,12 etc all on it's own?
> >>
> >> I do perhaps, 12 images at quality 10 and when I go to save the next
> >> image it changes itself to 8!
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Martin
> >>
> >> Martin Fry
> >> www.martinfryphotography.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
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>
>
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From ricnev at mac.com  Wed Oct 21 17:07:28 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:07:28 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Email attaching
In-Reply-To: <4ADF03AA.9090507@stackyard.org>
References: <174281.16361.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<4ADF03AA.9090507@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <E57DB7AF-B4CB-4E97-A451-935A08B4652B@mac.com>

I've just finished a remote session with Stair.

The main problem was that he was attempting to attach an Apple Pages  
document to a Yahoo Mail email.
Yahoo Mail seems to be restricted in terms of the filetypes it can  
handle.

Exporting the Pages document as a .doc file and attaching that to an  
email did the trick.

Richard.


On 21 Oct 2009, at 13:50, Ken Hamer wrote:

> Did you actually intend to attach one email message inside another
> email?  If so, I don't know how Yahoo will react to this without first
> saving the email as text and then attaching it.  I don't use BT/ 
> Yahoo so
> don't know.  The better option is to forward the email you intended to
> attach rather than actually trying to attach it.
>
> Or were you attaching a document?
>
> What was the size of the thing you were trying to attach?
>
> And at what point did Firefox crash?
>
> Ken
>
> Stair wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I tried to attach an email using Yahoo mail in Firefox on my  
>> MacBook today and the document (as were several others) was greyed  
>> out so I couldn't click on it.
>>
>> Firefox also crashed.
>>
>> Anyone know what is wrong?
>>
>> Stair
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Wed Oct 21 17:07:51 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:07:51 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] P/Shop
In-Reply-To: <f8880ecc0910210900q8ee3c2cpd7d2a063a3690936@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BB06B73F-414D-4512-9A75-4BC2F32CE322@virgin.net>
	<4ADF16EF.9090703@tomkershaw.com>
	<5446E436-5687-4942-B5A4-0DA6506D1A94@virgin.net>
	<f8880ecc0910210900q8ee3c2cpd7d2a063a3690936@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C77E16F3-AA74-42E9-B4D6-8559E56D4907@virgin.net>


Thanks David

I use Bridge with P/shop,  It does Ok for my needs. Also my Canon Raw  
software if & when needed.

As you say, in P/shop the last setting used is normal, this just  
decides to change the setting after a few pictures...Weird!

Martin

Martin Fry
www.martinfryphotography.com






> Martin,

> I agree with you, a question asked should deserve a decent answer or  
> no
> response at all.
>
> As for your issue, I cannot see why it would do that. Mine tends to  
> give the
> last used qulaity setting or the setting for the file if it has  
> already been
> through PS (if that makes sense?).
>
> Do you have lightroom? Its great for batch sizing. But if you are  
> working on
> an image by image basis then I do not know what to suggest as it  
> should not
> do what it appears to be doing!
>
> Dave
>
> 2009/10/21 Martin Fry <martinfry.photo at virgin.net>
>
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> I really wish you could answer a straight question without trying to
>> tell professionals how to do their jobs.
>>
>> There is no advantage in working in Jpeg at all, but to have the
>> images printed at any professional labs & upload them via FTP,  they
>> have to be jpegs!
>>
>> Also shooting 1000 kids images in raw format using a studio light
>> setup on site when everything (lighting) is controlled would use a
>> massive amount of storage space & time to convert.
>>
>> I very seldom need to adjust my images using raw as I take the time  
>> to
>> check & recheck as I shoot.  But I do normally and always have shot
>> stock in raw format.
>>
>> Now, as to my original question:
>>
>>>> Has anyone any ideas as to why, in Photoshop, when saving the  
>>>> images
>>>> as jpegs the 'Save As'  box keeps changing the quality number  ie;
>>>> 8,10,12 etc all on it's own?
>>
>>
>>> Martin,
>>>
>>> Assuming you're shooting in RAW, why not simply convert down to jpeg
>>> at
>>> the end point? I don't really see any advantages working in jpeg
>>> format,
>>> although there are many disadvantages.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> Martin Fry wrote:
>>>> I am editing 700 images from a dance school shoot.
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone any ideas as to why, in Photoshop, when saving the  
>>>> images
>>>> as jpegs the 'Save As'  box keeps changing the quality number  ie;
>>>> 8,10,12 etc all on it's own?
>>>>
>>>> I do perhaps, 12 images at quality 10 and when I go to save the  
>>>> next
>>>> image it changes itself to 8!






From munkt0n at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 17:27:24 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:27:24 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Summary of today's updates
In-Reply-To: <E75DD5B0-9868-494F-B0F4-544529D4B294@durrant.co.uk>
References: <F3EC2545-B611-4BEB-91C9-95B4FEEE95B5@durrant.co.uk>
	<C32D29E7-437D-470F-B82B-6A8CCA31B040@durrant.co.uk>
	<52D36F28-C7F7-4D4B-88A8-FE7BB0F5B765@mac.com>
	<92434D5E-2D3B-4AF5-98B1-BF5678C3AC48@durrant.co.uk>
	<4365D487-FE7C-4254-8DF6-D6E0E8A7EB27@mac.com>
	<1216991A-0A59-4CE5-B164-FEF69290F43D@durrant.co.uk>
	<4307448A-7580-43D0-A25B-F0EC18CFA4EE@mac.com>
	<6D72E0CA-917C-43EE-9D1F-3E622AAF6293@durrant.co.uk>
	<E75DD5B0-9868-494F-B0F4-544529D4B294@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0910210927h5a5f9bafs37837d90f04e99b@mail.gmail.com>

exciting stuff, but I don't think the following is new

> the Mac mini now has BOTH a Mini DisplayPort AND a Mini DVI port, and it can use both at once, support TWO monitors!

The Mac mini I bought about 4 months ago  had both those ports


On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Paul Durrant <paul at durrant.co.uk> wrote:
> I've been having a look through the updates. Here's my summary and
> comments.
>
> MacBook
> =======
> A nice design, but spoiled by lack of Firewire. I'd recommend anyone
> wanting a 13" portable Mac to spend the extra ?100 and get the 13"
> MacBook Pro.
>
>
> iMac
> ====
> iMac 21.5" Low: What's not to like? Bigger display (21.5", 1920x1080
> pixels), faster processor, more memory, bigger hard drive, Sd card
> slot, SAME price as before, ?949. (?1:$1.45)
>
> iMac 21.5" High: Not as good value as the low end model IMO. An Extra
> 500GB storage and a better graphics card doesn't seem a lot for the
> extra ?250. But if you'll be doing intensive graphics or 3D gaming it
> might be worth it.
>
> iMac 27" Low: What's not to like? Bigger display (27", 2560x1440
> pixels), faster processor, same memory, but 16GB maximum, bigger hard
> drive, Better Graphics card, SD card slot, LOWER price than before,
> ?1349. (?1:$1.45)
>
> iMac 27" High: Wow. As above, but QUAD core processor and better
> graphics. And ?200 cheaper than the previous high-end iMac, at 'just'
> ?1599. (?1:$1.44)
>
> And the 27" iMacs can display video from an external source - i.e. you
> can use them as a big 27" monitor for, say, a BlueRay player. Amazing
> value, seeing as the 30" monitor (2560x1600) costs ?1173 on its own!
>
> All iMacs now come with new Magic Mouse and Bluetooth keyboard as
> standard.
>
> Mac mini
> ========
> Same prices as before, but faster with more memory and bigger hard
> disks. A ho-hum speed bump. EXCEPT - the Mac mini now has BOTH a Mini
> DisplayPort AND a Mini DVI port, and it can use both at once, support
> TWO monitors!
>
> But the BIGGER Mac mini news is the Mac mini Server. ?799 gets you the
> Mac mini server. A new machine in a Mac mini case - but with no
> optical drive. This makes room to have dual 500GB internal hard drives
> - giving mirroring in-the-box. And that ?799 INCLUDES the ?399
> unlimited Snow Leopard Server software. This is an amazing little
> server machine. Stunning value.
>
> Magic Mouse
> ===========
> Intriguing new bluetooth mouse. Looks good. ?55.
>
> Remote Control
> ==============
> At last, a new remote control that matches the Aluminium styling of
> new Macs. ?15.
>
> regards,
>
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



-- 
:wq

From ricnev at mac.com  Wed Oct 21 17:27:13 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:27:13 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Email attaching
In-Reply-To: <E57DB7AF-B4CB-4E97-A451-935A08B4652B@mac.com>
References: <174281.16361.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<4ADF03AA.9090507@stackyard.org>
	<E57DB7AF-B4CB-4E97-A451-935A08B4652B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <628C2520-B714-4864-8E00-06D99BE108E0@mac.com>

Just expanding on this slightly - the intended recipient in this case  
probably couldn't have handles a Pages file anyway. If Stair wanted to  
send a Pages document to someone who had had Pages at their end, he  
could have compressed the Pages file before sending. Yahoo seems to  
accept zip files (sometimes after baulking about sending them a couple  
of times first - over enthusiastic ant-virus software, probably  
Norton, I suspect!).

Richard.


On 21 Oct 2009, at 17:07, Richard Nevill wrote:

> I've just finished a remote session with Stair.
>
> The main problem was that he was attempting to attach an Apple Pages
> document to a Yahoo Mail email.
> Yahoo Mail seems to be restricted in terms of the filetypes it can
> handle.
>
> Exporting the Pages document as a .doc file and attaching that to an
> email did the trick.
>
> Richard.
>
>

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com




From ricnev at mac.com  Wed Oct 21 17:34:44 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:34:44 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Email attaching
In-Reply-To: <628C2520-B714-4864-8E00-06D99BE108E0@mac.com>
References: <174281.16361.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<4ADF03AA.9090507@stackyard.org>
	<E57DB7AF-B4CB-4E97-A451-935A08B4652B@mac.com>
	<628C2520-B714-4864-8E00-06D99BE108E0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <2F5CD05D-869E-4F62-B8A8-3E61DABD2445@mac.com>


On 21 Oct 2009, at 17:27, Richard Nevill wrote:

>  couldn't have handles a Pages file anyway.

Handles? Simples!

>  over enthusiastic ant-virus

Is there a jab available on the NHS for this yet?


I must pop my keyboard through the washing machine tomorrow - anyone  
know which programme to use?

Richard.

From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed Oct 21 17:34:54 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:34:54 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Summary of today's updates
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0910210927h5a5f9bafs37837d90f04e99b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F3EC2545-B611-4BEB-91C9-95B4FEEE95B5@durrant.co.uk>
	<C32D29E7-437D-470F-B82B-6A8CCA31B040@durrant.co.uk>
	<52D36F28-C7F7-4D4B-88A8-FE7BB0F5B765@mac.com>
	<92434D5E-2D3B-4AF5-98B1-BF5678C3AC48@durrant.co.uk>
	<4365D487-FE7C-4254-8DF6-D6E0E8A7EB27@mac.com>
	<1216991A-0A59-4CE5-B164-FEF69290F43D@durrant.co.uk>
	<4307448A-7580-43D0-A25B-F0EC18CFA4EE@mac.com>
	<6D72E0CA-917C-43EE-9D1F-3E622AAF6293@durrant.co.uk>
	<E75DD5B0-9868-494F-B0F4-544529D4B294@durrant.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0910210927h5a5f9bafs37837d90f04e99b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <650B8DC3-BE4E-4F04-960C-21F9F02F8521@durrant.co.uk>

You're right - the two video ports got added to the previous Mac mini  
update. No wonder there wasn't much mention of it this time around.

Paul

On 21 Oct 2009, at 17:27, Scott Matthews wrote:

> exciting stuff, but I don't think the following is new
>
>> the Mac mini now has BOTH a Mini DisplayPort AND a Mini DVI port,  
>> and it can use both at once, support TWO monitors!
>
> The Mac mini I bought about 4 months ago  had both those ports


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed Oct 21 17:36:41 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:36:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Email attaching
In-Reply-To: <628C2520-B714-4864-8E00-06D99BE108E0@mac.com>
References: <174281.16361.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<4ADF03AA.9090507@stackyard.org>
	<E57DB7AF-B4CB-4E97-A451-935A08B4652B@mac.com>
	<628C2520-B714-4864-8E00-06D99BE108E0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <DA184065-32BF-45E9-BE10-2958DA11F1E4@durrant.co.uk>

Unless the document needs editing at the other end, I'd always suggest  
sending a PDF.

regards,

Paul

On 21 Oct 2009, at 17:07, Richard Nevill wrote:

> I've just finished a remote session with Stair.
>
> The main problem was that he was attempting to attach an Apple Pages
> document to a Yahoo Mail email.
> Yahoo Mail seems to be restricted in terms of the filetypes it can
> handle.
>
> Exporting the Pages document as a .doc file and attaching that to an
> email did the trick.


From tom at tomkershaw.com  Wed Oct 21 17:55:42 2009
From: tom at tomkershaw.com (Tom Kershaw)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:55:42 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] P/Shop
In-Reply-To: <C77E16F3-AA74-42E9-B4D6-8559E56D4907@virgin.net>
References: <BB06B73F-414D-4512-9A75-4BC2F32CE322@virgin.net>	<4ADF16EF.9090703@tomkershaw.com>	<5446E436-5687-4942-B5A4-0DA6506D1A94@virgin.net>	<f8880ecc0910210900q8ee3c2cpd7d2a063a3690936@mail.gmail.com>
	<C77E16F3-AA74-42E9-B4D6-8559E56D4907@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <4ADF3D0E.8030503@tomkershaw.com>

I don't think any offense should be taken Martin, it wasn't clear at 
what point jpegs came into the discussion. I thought you were re-editing 
jpegs.

Tom

Martin Fry wrote:
> Thanks David
>
> I use Bridge with P/shop,  It does Ok for my needs. Also my Canon Raw  
> software if & when needed.
>
> As you say, in P/shop the last setting used is normal, this just  
> decides to change the setting after a few pictures...Weird!
>
> Martin
>
> Martin Fry
> www.martinfryphotography.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   
>> Martin,
>>     
>
>   
>> I agree with you, a question asked should deserve a decent answer or  
>> no
>> response at all.
>>
>> As for your issue, I cannot see why it would do that. Mine tends to  
>> give the
>> last used qulaity setting or the setting for the file if it has  
>> already been
>> through PS (if that makes sense?).
>>
>> Do you have lightroom? Its great for batch sizing. But if you are  
>> working on
>> an image by image basis then I do not know what to suggest as it  
>> should not
>> do what it appears to be doing!
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> 2009/10/21 Martin Fry <martinfry.photo at virgin.net>
>>
>>     
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> I really wish you could answer a straight question without trying to
>>> tell professionals how to do their jobs.
>>>
>>> There is no advantage in working in Jpeg at all, but to have the
>>> images printed at any professional labs & upload them via FTP,  they
>>> have to be jpegs!
>>>
>>> Also shooting 1000 kids images in raw format using a studio light
>>> setup on site when everything (lighting) is controlled would use a
>>> massive amount of storage space & time to convert.
>>>
>>> I very seldom need to adjust my images using raw as I take the time  
>>> to
>>> check & recheck as I shoot.  But I do normally and always have shot
>>> stock in raw format.
>>>
>>> Now, as to my original question:
>>>
>>>       
>>>>> Has anyone any ideas as to why, in Photoshop, when saving the  
>>>>> images
>>>>> as jpegs the 'Save As'  box keeps changing the quality number  ie;
>>>>> 8,10,12 etc all on it's own?
>>>>>           
>>>       
>>>> Martin,
>>>>
>>>> Assuming you're shooting in RAW, why not simply convert down to jpeg
>>>> at
>>>> the end point? I don't really see any advantages working in jpeg
>>>> format,
>>>> although there are many disadvantages.
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>> Martin Fry wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> I am editing 700 images from a dance school shoot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone any ideas as to why, in Photoshop, when saving the  
>>>>> images
>>>>> as jpegs the 'Save As'  box keeps changing the quality number  ie;
>>>>> 8,10,12 etc all on it's own?
>>>>>
>>>>> I do perhaps, 12 images at quality 10 and when I go to save the  
>>>>> next
>>>>> image it changes itself to 8!
>>>>>           
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>   


From macman at f2s.com  Wed Oct 21 17:56:59 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:56:59 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Email attaching
In-Reply-To: <2F5CD05D-869E-4F62-B8A8-3E61DABD2445@mac.com>
References: <174281.16361.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<4ADF03AA.9090507@stackyard.org>
	<E57DB7AF-B4CB-4E97-A451-935A08B4652B@mac.com>
	<628C2520-B714-4864-8E00-06D99BE108E0@mac.com>
	<2F5CD05D-869E-4F62-B8A8-3E61DABD2445@mac.com>
Message-ID: <61CB2C19-C807-44FD-9874-6596579556E9@f2s.com>

Not sure about the washing machine, but I've successfully restored 5 x  
Mac keyboards back to life in the dishwasher .....


Robbie


On 21 Oct 2009, at 17:34, Richard Nevill wrote:


On 21 Oct 2009, at 17:27, Richard Nevill wrote:

> couldn't have handles a Pages file anyway.

Handles? Simples!

> over enthusiastic ant-virus

Is there a jab available on the NHS for this yet?


I must pop my keyboard through the washing machine tomorrow - anyone
know which programme to use?

Richard.
_______________________________________________
Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
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From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Wed Oct 21 18:05:35 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (Stefan Pietrzak Youngs)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:05:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Remote support
In-Reply-To: <mailman.937.1256144146.111.nmug@nmug.org.uk>
References: <mailman.937.1256144146.111.nmug@nmug.org.uk>
Message-ID: <E77E7D43-8B56-4529-8BF4-DF1DB3E4AF69@gmail.com>



> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Email attaching
>
>
> I've just finished a remote session with Stair.


That's interesting.. what did you do to connect and conduct the  
support? I've never found a reliable and consistent way of doing this:  
sometimes the iChat solution works, another time it runs out of  
bandwidth.

From ricnev at mac.com  Wed Oct 21 18:16:44 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:16:44 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Remote support
In-Reply-To: <E77E7D43-8B56-4529-8BF4-DF1DB3E4AF69@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.937.1256144146.111.nmug@nmug.org.uk>
	<E77E7D43-8B56-4529-8BF4-DF1DB3E4AF69@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18B6EA9B-6DC4-4335-92B9-C7033748BD52@mac.com>


On 21 Oct 2009, at 18:05, Stefan Pietrzak Youngs wrote:

>
>
>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Email attaching
>>
>>
>> I've just finished a remote session with Stair.
>
>
> That's interesting.. what did you do to connect and conduct the
> support? I've never found a reliable and consistent way of doing this:
> sometimes the iChat solution works, another time it runs out of
> bandwidth.
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



LogMeIn Free:

https://secure.logmein.com/US/products/free/

I've been using it every now and then for a couple of years to support  
about 20 F&F. It was a bit flakey on Macs at first, but recent updates  
have made it quite useable. I am on BT's rural package :-(  so if it  
works for me it should be fine for anyone with a more typical UK  
average broadband speed:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2008/feb/20/averageukbroadbandspeedis

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com




From djr.massy at ntlworld.com  Wed Oct 21 18:17:38 2009
From: djr.massy at ntlworld.com (DJR Massy)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:17:38 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] P/Shop
In-Reply-To: <mailman.935.1256140475.111.nmug@nmug.org.uk>
References: <mailman.935.1256140475.111.nmug@nmug.org.uk>
Message-ID: <1F47C7D4-3F88-41CB-892A-E005C4BFF04B@ntlworld.com>

Hi Martin,

I don't know the answer to the question either, but a way round might  
be to use an "Action".  I would think that would be more consistent.   
The "Action" could be started at the "Save As. . ." stage.  I've just  
tried this out and it is consistent over 3 images.  And of course  
using an "Action" saves time.

I hope this suggestion is useful.

Jim.
==============================================
On 21 Oct 2009, at 16:54, nmug-request at nmug.org.uk wrote:

> Now, as to my original question:
>
>>> Has anyone any ideas as to why, in Photoshop, when saving the images
>>> as jpegs the 'Save As'  box keeps changing the quality number  ie;
>>> 8,10,12 etc all on it's own?
>
>
>
> Martin


From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Wed Oct 21 18:45:40 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:45:40 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] P/Shop
In-Reply-To: <1F47C7D4-3F88-41CB-892A-E005C4BFF04B@ntlworld.com>
References: <mailman.935.1256140475.111.nmug@nmug.org.uk>
	<1F47C7D4-3F88-41CB-892A-E005C4BFF04B@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <4192FB88-F7FA-4053-AEF7-EE5B45F2203F@virgin.net>


Hi Jim

Good point!  I had already made actions to lighten the shadows & to  
saturate & Sharpen the images, and as all the images were going into  
the same folder!!!

Too late now as I have finished them all & they are with the printers  
now.

Regards

Martin

Martin Fry
www.martinfryphotography.com






> Hi Martin,
>
> I don't know the answer to the question either, but a way round might
> be to use an "Action".  I would think that would be more consistent.
> The "Action" could be started at the "Save As. . ." stage.  I've just
> tried this out and it is consistent over 3 images.  And of course
> using an "Action" saves time.
>
> I hope this suggestion is useful.
>
>
>
>> Now, as to my original question:
>>
>>>> Has anyone any ideas as to why, in Photoshop, when saving the  
>>>> images
>>>> as jpegs the 'Save As'  box keeps changing the quality number  ie;
>>>> 8,10,12 etc all on it's own?
>>





From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed Oct 21 18:56:19 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:56:19 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Backup to tape
In-Reply-To: <4192FB88-F7FA-4053-AEF7-EE5B45F2203F@virgin.net>
References: <mailman.935.1256140475.111.nmug@nmug.org.uk>
	<1F47C7D4-3F88-41CB-892A-E005C4BFF04B@ntlworld.com>
	<4192FB88-F7FA-4053-AEF7-EE5B45F2203F@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <33D1AEEF-952A-4FAB-8412-AA39BE5E1FB6@durrant.co.uk>

Hi finally got around to swapping out my ancient 400MHz B&W G3  
(upgraded to G4) for a much more more recent Quicksilver G4 867MHz  
model (?65).

I'm backing up the network to a couple of SDLT tape drives over  
gigabit ethernet using Retrospect. I was getting just 50MB/min with  
the old setup. 500MB/min with the new one! Yes, ten times faster.

I wish I'd swapped it out a bit sooner!

Paul


From tom at tomkershaw.com  Wed Oct 21 19:15:16 2009
From: tom at tomkershaw.com (Tom Kershaw)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:15:16 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Backup to tape
In-Reply-To: <33D1AEEF-952A-4FAB-8412-AA39BE5E1FB6@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.935.1256140475.111.nmug@nmug.org.uk>	<1F47C7D4-3F88-41CB-892A-E005C4BFF04B@ntlworld.com>	<4192FB88-F7FA-4053-AEF7-EE5B45F2203F@virgin.net>
	<33D1AEEF-952A-4FAB-8412-AA39BE5E1FB6@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4ADF4FB4.1040007@tomkershaw.com>

Paul,

Are you running your Mac OS X server installation on this G4 machine or 
is it simply used for tape backup?

Tom

Paul Durrant wrote:
> Hi finally got around to swapping out my ancient 400MHz B&W G3  
> (upgraded to G4) for a much more more recent Quicksilver G4 867MHz  
> model (?65).
>
> I'm backing up the network to a couple of SDLT tape drives over  
> gigabit ethernet using Retrospect. I was getting just 50MB/min with  
> the old setup. 500MB/min with the new one! Yes, ten times faster.
>
> I wish I'd swapped it out a bit sooner!
>
> Paul
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed Oct 21 19:31:22 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:31:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Backup to tape
In-Reply-To: <4ADF4FB4.1040007@tomkershaw.com>
References: <mailman.935.1256140475.111.nmug@nmug.org.uk>	<1F47C7D4-3F88-41CB-892A-E005C4BFF04B@ntlworld.com>	<4192FB88-F7FA-4053-AEF7-EE5B45F2203F@virgin.net>
	<33D1AEEF-952A-4FAB-8412-AA39BE5E1FB6@durrant.co.uk>
	<4ADF4FB4.1040007@tomkershaw.com>
Message-ID: <F004F591-FC38-4BE1-A61F-A2035F8DB317@durrant.co.uk>

It's just for tape backup. The old one was running Tiger, I upgraded  
to Leopard with the new machine.

The main difference in speed is caused by the Mac being able to keep  
up with the speed of the tape drive - so it writes and reads  
(verifying) almost continuously. The old Mac couldn't quite supply the  
data fast enough, so the tape drive had to stop, back up, and find the  
place again a lot of times during a backup.

So the machine's not ten times as fast. But the combination is.

I had been considering moving to using cheap hard disks for archive  
instead of tape. But tape is still a little bit cheaper. Although it's  
getting very close! A 110GB tape costs me less than ?15. A 160GB hard  
drive is still around ?30. It may be that in another year I'll be  
better off buying a hard disk per month for archival purposes, rather  
than a tape. In which case, I'll swap that PCI SCSI card for an eSATA  
card and use some minimal hot-swap enclosure.

regards,

Paul

On 21 Oct 2009, at 19:15, Tom Kershaw wrote:

> Paul,
>
> Are you running your Mac OS X server installation on this G4 machine  
> or
> is it simply used for tape backup?
>
> Tom
>
> Paul Durrant wrote:
>> Hi finally got around to swapping out my ancient 400MHz B&W G3
>> (upgraded to G4) for a much more more recent Quicksilver G4 867MHz
>> model (?65).
>>
>> I'm backing up the network to a couple of SDLT tape drives over
>> gigabit ethernet using Retrospect. I was getting just 50MB/min with
>> the old setup. 500MB/min with the new one! Yes, ten times faster.
>>
>> I wish I'd swapped it out a bit sooner!
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
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>
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From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Wed Oct 21 19:50:11 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:50:11 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Email attaching
In-Reply-To: <E57DB7AF-B4CB-4E97-A451-935A08B4652B@mac.com>
References: <174281.16361.qm@web26108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>	<4ADF03AA.9090507@stackyard.org>
	<E57DB7AF-B4CB-4E97-A451-935A08B4652B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4ADF57E3.8050307@stackyard.org>

Interesting.  Some might argue that it's none of Yahoo's G.D. Business 
what 3-letter extension a file has, but there you go.  I wonder if it 
actually looks to see if the file is what it says it is or if you can 
rename a file with the wrong 3LE to get it passed.  Ridiculous either way.

Richard Nevill wrote:
> I've just finished a remote session with Stair.
>
> The main problem was that he was attempting to attach an Apple Pages  
> document to a Yahoo Mail email.
> Yahoo Mail seems to be restricted in terms of the filetypes it can  
> handle.
>
> Exporting the Pages document as a .doc file and attaching that to an  
> email did the trick.
>
> Richard.
>
>
> On 21 Oct 2009, at 13:50, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
>   
>> Did you actually intend to attach one email message inside another
>> email?  If so, I don't know how Yahoo will react to this without first
>> saving the email as text and then attaching it.  I don't use BT/ 
>> Yahoo so
>> don't know.  The better option is to forward the email you intended to
>> attach rather than actually trying to attach it.
>>
>> Or were you attaching a document?
>>
>> What was the size of the thing you were trying to attach?
>>
>> And at what point did Firefox crash?
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> Stair wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I tried to attach an email using Yahoo mail in Firefox on my  
>>> MacBook today and the document (as were several others) was greyed  
>>> out so I couldn't click on it.
>>>
>>> Firefox also crashed.
>>>
>>> Anyone know what is wrong?
>>>
>>> Stair
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
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>>>
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>
> Richard Nevill
> ricnev at mac.com
>
>
>
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From steve.forst at virgin.net  Wed Oct 21 19:54:21 2009
From: steve.forst at virgin.net (Steve Forster)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:54:21 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Keyboard
In-Reply-To: <61CB2C19-C807-44FD-9874-6596579556E9@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <C705176D.1E18E%steve.forst@virgin.net>

I?d forgotten about this. I?ve got 2 (white) Apple keyboards that the space
bar has failed on (one a while back, the other yesterday).

Got to be worth a try before buying a new one. Do you put soap etc in? I
don?t have a home dishwasher but have access to an ?industrial? one in a
catering kitchen, is this likely to be worth trying? Is there any particular
programme to use? Which way up should it go? Any tips in drying the k/b out
after? Sorry if these seem stupid questions.
-- 
Steve Forster

From: Robbie Murray <macman at f2s.com>
Reply-To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at nmug.org.uk>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:56:59 +0100
To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at nmug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [NMUG] Email attaching

Not sure about the washing machine, but I've successfully restored 5 x
Mac keyboards back to life in the dishwasher .....


Robbie

From stairbooks at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Oct 21 19:54:45 2009
From: stairbooks at yahoo.co.uk (Stair)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:54:45 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NMUG] Email attachment and remote
Message-ID: <390768.6604.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Thanks to Richard for his help this afternoon...and thanks to Ken for the prompt questions.

This support is great, especially when one is not just fairly new to Macs but rusty with IT in general.

Stair


      

From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Wed Oct 21 20:11:49 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (Stefan Pietrzak Youngs)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:11:49 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] LogMeIn
In-Reply-To: <mailman.940.1256151286.111.nmug@nmug.org.uk>
References: <mailman.940.1256151286.111.nmug@nmug.org.uk>
Message-ID: <7B99D933-B0B1-4574-8982-3EF8453F5810@gmail.com>



>>>
>>> I've just finished a remote session with Stair.
>>
>>
>> That's interesting.. what did you do to connect and conduct the
>> support? I've never found a reliable and consistent way of doing  
>> this:
>> sometimes the iChat solution works, another time it runs out of
>> bandwidth.
>
> LogMeIn Free:
>
> https://secure.logmein.com/US/products/free/

That'\s encouraging. Thanks for the inof.

I used that to connect to my Mac farm in Naarwich from the USA and  
found I couldn't get a trouble free connection every time but if I  
persisted then I could get a long enough connection to do what had to  
be done. I am off again in  a week's time and with your experience in  
mind I will give it another go. Latency obviously increases with  
distance and with the poor bandwidth one gets in the UK and indeed in  
lots of the USA this increases the chance of the sender overlapping  
identical commands because he isn't sure if the first one got through  
since he is still waiting for a response.. the consequence often being  
a crash... not too bad if it's local but a disaster if its the remote  
router or Mac that gets confused.

This is one facility I'd really like Apple to tackle because when they  
do, they will do it right. That's not to say LogMeIn isn't well done,  
but I do think remote control ought to be part of OSX


From sc at davidviner.com  Wed Oct 21 20:15:17 2009
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:15:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Keyboard
In-Reply-To: <C705176D.1E18E%steve.forst@virgin.net>
References: <C705176D.1E18E%steve.forst@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <4ADF5DC5.5080801@davidviner.com>

Steve

You don't say exactly how the space bar has failed. Larger keys (space 
bar, return, backspace, shift etc) tend to have a thin, bent metal bar 
that slots into a couple of guides. The metal bar can often fall out of 
the guides or the lubrication that is used may have dried out making the 
key hard to press. If the bar falls out then the key will usually rock 
from side to side instead of only going up and down properly.

If these are the older style white keyboards with proper keys (and not 
the "modern" Sinclair Spectrum style) then I've certainly had one of 
those completely apart and refurbished (all working nicely now).

All keyboards will contain electronics so DON'T put them in water under 
any circumstances!! No really, I mean it! You can sometimes get away 
with it but I wouldn't risk it, ever. Any water left inside can cause 
shorts, problems and possibly blown chips. The best way is to completely 
dismantle the keyboard (the keys will usually pop off with a little 
force), manually clean off any dust or anything else nasty from the 
electronic or contact parts, then wash all the non-electronic parts in 
warm soapy water followed by a rinse in clean warm water. Many times the 
reason for failure is the contact has got dirty or the little rubbery 
"spring" has failed. In the keyboard I took to pieces these springs were 
all separate which means you can swap them around so that a little used 
one can be put under the space bar - getting all the little springs back 
in is fun ;-)

Hope that helps (but if you bust 'em, don't blame me!)

David


Steve Forster wrote:
> I?d forgotten about this. I?ve got 2 (white) Apple keyboards that the space
> bar has failed on (one a while back, the other yesterday).
>
> Got to be worth a try before buying a new one. Do you put soap etc in? I
> don?t have a home dishwasher but have access to an ?industrial? one in a
> catering kitchen, is this likely to be worth trying? Is there any particular
> programme to use? Which way up should it go? Any tips in drying the k/b out
> after? Sorry if these seem stupid questions.
>   

From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed Oct 21 20:36:47 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:36:47 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Backup to tape
In-Reply-To: <F004F591-FC38-4BE1-A61F-A2035F8DB317@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.935.1256140475.111.nmug@nmug.org.uk>	<1F47C7D4-3F88-41CB-892A-E005C4BFF04B@ntlworld.com>	<4192FB88-F7FA-4053-AEF7-EE5B45F2203F@virgin.net>
	<33D1AEEF-952A-4FAB-8412-AA39BE5E1FB6@durrant.co.uk>
	<4ADF4FB4.1040007@tomkershaw.com>
	<F004F591-FC38-4BE1-A61F-A2035F8DB317@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <F882EEF6-A326-4921-B809-38815AB8D67F@durrant.co.uk>

Having check my logs, I see I was exaggerating slightly. The old backu  
speeds were actually 100-150MB/min. It's still a three to five times  
speed increase.

I've also had a quick look at disk prices. Hmm.... you can get 250GB  
SATA desktop drives for ?30 now. That's certainly enough for a whole  
month's archiving. I shall have to investigate SATA cards and quick- 
change enclosures.

Paul


From steve.forst at virgin.net  Wed Oct 21 21:37:38 2009
From: steve.forst at virgin.net (Steve Forster)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:37:38 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Keyboard
In-Reply-To: <4ADF5DC5.5080801@davidviner.com>
Message-ID: <C7052FA2.1E19A%steve.forst@virgin.net>

Thanks David

They are older style rather than ?Spectrum? style (I still have a Spectrum ?
but not a mono tape deck to load it with!)

In fiddling just now I?ve clumsily managed to break the plastic clips on the
key that the metal bar fits fits onto on yesterdays failure (spilt cup of
tea, milk but thankfully no sugar) but have replaced it with the key from
the older keyboard (beer spill a year or so back, big clean left everything
except the space bar working but occasional erratic behaviour with random
keys). I?ve had all the keys off and cleaned under them and everything works
except space bar and up direction key (of the four direction keys that sit
between letter keys and numeric keys). Not sure I?m brave enough or have
time for a complete strip down.

I also tried a gentle prod with a thin bit of plastic in the ?hole? beneath
the space bar but that gives no result either.

I do understand your reluctance re water ? my initial thoughts but it does
seem to work for many people. I had already thought I?d try it with an old
machine that isn?t crucial after a good long period of drying with keys off.
A bit of web research shows quite a few mentions of the dishwasher method ?
interestingly mostly from Mac users with Apple keyboards.

Anyway if I do try washing I?ll let you know the result.

Thanks again,

Steve




From: David Viner <sc at davidviner.com>
Reply-To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at nmug.org.uk>
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:15:17 +0100
To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at nmug.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [NMUG] Keyboard

Steve

You don't say exactly how the space bar has failed. Larger keys (space
bar, return, backspace, shift etc) tend to have a thin, bent metal bar
that slots into a couple of guides. The metal bar can often fall out of
the guides or the lubrication that is used may have dried out making the
key hard to press. If the bar falls out then the key will usually rock
from side to side instead of only going up and down properly.

If these are the older style white keyboards with proper keys (and not
the "modern" Sinclair Spectrum style) then I've certainly had one of
those completely apart and refurbished (all working nicely now).

All keyboards will contain electronics so DON'T put them in water under
any circumstances!! No really, I mean it! You can sometimes get away
with it but I wouldn't risk it, ever. Any water left inside can cause
shorts, problems and possibly blown chips. The best way is to completely
dismantle the keyboard (the keys will usually pop off with a little
force), manually clean off any dust or anything else nasty from the
electronic or contact parts, then wash all the non-electronic parts in
warm soapy water followed by a rinse in clean warm water. Many times the
reason for failure is the contact has got dirty or the little rubbery
"spring" has failed. In the keyboard I took to pieces these springs were
all separate which means you can swap them around so that a little used
one can be put under the space bar - getting all the little springs back
in is fun ;-)

Hope that helps (but if you bust 'em, don't blame me!)

David


Steve Forster wrote:
> I?d forgotten about this. I?ve got 2 (white) Apple keyboards that the space
> bar has failed on (one a while back, the other yesterday).
>
> Got to be worth a try before buying a new one. Do you put soap etc in? I
> don?t have a home dishwasher but have access to an ?industrial? one in a
> catering kitchen, is this likely to be worth trying? Is there any particular
> programme to use? Which way up should it go? Any tips in drying the k/b out
> after? Sorry if these seem stupid questions.
>   
_______________________________________________
Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
Manage your subscription at:
http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


From ian at igdesign.co.uk  Wed Oct 21 22:45:41 2009
From: ian at igdesign.co.uk (Ian Garrett)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:45:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] "Inside Macintosh" vols 1-5 from 1987
Message-ID: <1C224872-7FB2-4864-AC71-4C6BC36A675E@igdesign.co.uk>

Dear All,

I have volumes I to V of Inside Macintosh, going free to a good home.  
Well, any home really. This is the original technical manual for the  
Mac operating system in the days of OS6 and 7, and a lot of it stayed  
relevant through OS9, although there were many more volumes by then.  
They're of historical interest only now, I guess. Vols I-IV are from  
1987; Vol V is 1988. They're in "used" condition, though not actually  
falling apart. If anyone is interested, I might be able to get them to  
Norwich sometime soon (I live in Felixstowe). Otherwise they're for  
the bin.

Regards,
Ian

From ricnev at mac.com  Wed Oct 21 23:59:12 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 23:59:12 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] LogMeIn
In-Reply-To: <7B99D933-B0B1-4574-8982-3EF8453F5810@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.940.1256151286.111.nmug@nmug.org.uk>
	<7B99D933-B0B1-4574-8982-3EF8453F5810@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <647B81E6-AB08-4C97-9854-1DC6D8874C13@mac.com>


On 21 Oct 2009, at 20:11, Stefan Pietrzak Youngs wrote:

> Latency obviously increases with
> distance



Err... not with my visualisation of the www it doesn't.

Perhaps my presumption of random paths, repeaters and nodes is wrong?

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com




From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Thu Oct 22 06:57:55 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 06:57:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Darwinian nightmare
In-Reply-To: <4ADCDDEF.2080800@stackyard.org>
References: <67FA4EA1-C0CF-4A1A-BE8B-EC0C73A31A76@gmail.com>
	<4ADCDDEF.2080800@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <BACFC820-3047-41C5-A423-397CF3B332F8@gmail.com>

Hi Ken thanks for your input, sorry for the slow reply, I've been  
working a lot of hours lately.

Let me try to explain how I came to the obscure choice of Darwin:

I want to use the Unix commands to complement and enhance my Mac  
experience so rather than just learning about standard functionality  
that is present on most Unix I actually want to learn about the  
additional Apple commands.  (I know these are useless outside of OS X,  
but that's ok).

I want to feel in control of my OS and understand for myself what is  
happening for example when file permissions go screwy or an  
application behaves peculiarly without having to resort to third party  
application downloads that perform the task for me, when I know that I  
could simply carry out the task myself if I had a better understanding  
of the commands.

I don't have a desire at the moment to configure a server but in the  
future that will most likely come up.

I hear what you are saying about OS X not being the best place to  
start, I am now thinking that because I have forgotten pretty much all  
I learnt about Unix/Linux I should probably start from scratch and get  
up to speed with a basic Linux distribution and then move on to OS X  
once I have a better grasp.

A friends once said that the best way to learn Linux is to complete a  
'Linux from scratch' system <http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/> he  
swore by it saying he learnt so much from this approach.

Steve.


On 19 Oct 2009, at 22:45, Ken Hamer wrote:

> Of all the many UNIX and UNIX-like "distributions", I would have  
> thought
> that Mac OS X is about the worst one to use for learning UNIX  
> because of
> the lengths Apple have gone to in hiding the operating system from the
> user.  This gives the reliability and security advantages of UNIX  
> and a
> very pretty, well-documented GUI but probably not the best UNIX
> environment to study due to highly proprietary configuration  
> structures.
>
> The trouble with UNIX is that all versions are different from each
> other.  There are many fundamental differences so you might want to
> define what you want to learn about before choosing a distribution.


From allanmacam at me.com  Thu Oct 22 07:12:25 2009
From: allanmacam at me.com (Allan)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:12:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Lightroom 3
Message-ID: <0DA5EC46-046B-4848-9F10-201726A0D6A8@me.com>


Adobe have just announced a public beta of Lightroom 3. Exciting and  
very impressive set of new features.

http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/lightroom3/

Julieanne Kos does a walkthrough of some of the new features at:

http://thurly.net//6th

AJ

From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Thu Oct 22 07:35:19 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:35:19 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Darwinian nightmare
In-Reply-To: <BACFC820-3047-41C5-A423-397CF3B332F8@gmail.com>
References: <67FA4EA1-C0CF-4A1A-BE8B-EC0C73A31A76@gmail.com>
	<4ADCDDEF.2080800@stackyard.org>
	<BACFC820-3047-41C5-A423-397CF3B332F8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E93C126A-6A0B-4E8F-A468-3AA55BC2B666@zen.co.uk>

Have you thought about Clix?

 From rixstep

Unix commands in a basic Mac GUI

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 22 Oct 2009, at 06:57, Steve Batch wrote:

> Hi Ken thanks for your input, sorry for the slow reply, I've been
> working a lot of hours lately.
>
> Let me try to explain how I came to the obscure choice of Darwin:
>
> I want to use the Unix commands to complement and enhance my Mac
> experience so rather than just learning about standard functionality
> that is present on most Unix I actually want to learn about the
> additional Apple commands.  (I know these are useless outside of OS X,
> but that's ok).
>
> I want to feel in control of my OS and understand for myself what is
> happening for example when file permissions go screwy or an
> application behaves peculiarly without having to resort to third party
> application downloads that perform the task for me, when I know that I
> could simply carry out the task myself if I had a better understanding
> of the commands.
>
> I don't have a desire at the moment to configure a server but in the
> future that will most likely come up.
>
> I hear what you are saying about OS X not being the best place to
> start, I am now thinking that because I have forgotten pretty much all
> I learnt about Unix/Linux I should probably start from scratch and get
> up to speed with a basic Linux distribution and then move on to OS X
> once I have a better grasp.
>
> A friends once said that the best way to learn Linux is to complete a
> 'Linux from scratch' system <http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/> he
> swore by it saying he learnt so much from this approach.
>
> Steve.
>
>
> On 19 Oct 2009, at 22:45, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
>> Of all the many UNIX and UNIX-like "distributions", I would have
>> thought
>> that Mac OS X is about the worst one to use for learning UNIX
>> because of
>> the lengths Apple have gone to in hiding the operating system from  
>> the
>> user.  This gives the reliability and security advantages of UNIX
>> and a
>> very pretty, well-documented GUI but probably not the best UNIX
>> environment to study due to highly proprietary configuration
>> structures.
>>
>> The trouble with UNIX is that all versions are different from each
>> other.  There are many fundamental differences so you might want to
>> define what you want to learn about before choosing a distribution.
>
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From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Thu Oct 22 07:38:00 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:38:00 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] P4 vs G4
In-Reply-To: <CD3681D7-83C6-429E-B3DD-83DA6DEC8773@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <CD3681D7-83C6-429E-B3DD-83DA6DEC8773@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <F66B0FA5-35A0-4CA3-AC05-D5727F336F8E@gmail.com>

Simon,

While I agree that it's interesting remember that there will be people  
who do not share our enthusiasm and will be reading this and thinking  
"just because I drive a car doesn't mean I want to know how it works".

That's fine but if you do have an interest in micro processors and  
their history I encourage you to watch a BBC documentary (available on  
iPlayer) called "Podfather" <http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00n90j0/Podfather/ 
 >  This is slightly apple related as it's said that Steve Jobs gained  
inspiration from the Podfather (Robert Noyce) for his business, style  
and innovation.

I think it's great that Intel upped their game and improved the design  
of their CPUs after the P4 to the point where Apple deemed them worthy  
for inclusion in their desktops and notebooks but the processor war is  
not quite over yet as Apple refuse to adopt Intel's ATOM line claiming  
they are too power hungry for their intended purpose in netbooks/sub  
notebooks/tablets instead Apple is woking on it's own chip design that  
will go head-to-head with the Intel ATOM.


Steve.


On 19 Oct 2009, at 18:37, Simon Royal wrote:

> My head has been swimming in Mhz, Ghz, pipelining, cache and all sorts
> this afternoon. What an interesting subject processors are.
>
> Now that Apple has moved to Intel and both Mac and Windows share a
> similar architecture the gap should be closer.


From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Thu Oct 22 07:38:48 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 07:38:48 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Lightroom 3
In-Reply-To: <0DA5EC46-046B-4848-9F10-201726A0D6A8@me.com>
References: <0DA5EC46-046B-4848-9F10-201726A0D6A8@me.com>
Message-ID: <188D7522-BA20-4C0E-AF51-21C7E669A3FB@zen.co.uk>

So when will Apple announce Aperture 3? 64 bit as I believe LR is  
already?

I've played with LR lately. However, even with my Mac Pro its not as  
smooth as Aperture (or as easy to use)

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 22 Oct 2009, at 07:12, Allan wrote:

>
> Adobe have just announced a public beta of Lightroom 3. Exciting and
> very impressive set of new features.
>
> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/lightroom3/
>
> Julieanne Kos does a walkthrough of some of the new features at:
>
> http://thurly.net//6th
>
> AJ
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From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Thu Oct 22 08:13:47 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:13:47 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Darwinian nightmare
In-Reply-To: <E93C126A-6A0B-4E8F-A468-3AA55BC2B666@zen.co.uk>
References: <67FA4EA1-C0CF-4A1A-BE8B-EC0C73A31A76@gmail.com>
	<4ADCDDEF.2080800@stackyard.org>
	<BACFC820-3047-41C5-A423-397CF3B332F8@gmail.com>
	<E93C126A-6A0B-4E8F-A468-3AA55BC2B666@zen.co.uk>
Message-ID: <92177D50-8495-4115-B324-7D02BB700137@gmail.com>


Thanks, that looks ideal.

Steve.


On 22 Oct 2009, at 07:35, Steven Jefferson wrote:

> Have you thought about Clix?
>
> From rixstep


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Thu Oct 22 08:47:36 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:47:36 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] LogMeIn
In-Reply-To: <647B81E6-AB08-4C97-9854-1DC6D8874C13@mac.com>
References: <mailman.940.1256151286.111.nmug@nmug.org.uk>
	<7B99D933-B0B1-4574-8982-3EF8453F5810@gmail.com>
	<647B81E6-AB08-4C97-9854-1DC6D8874C13@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F1BE6E6F-FA86-43CD-9D9F-5BD965ED30CD@durrant.co.uk>

Latency does usually increase with distance, both because of an  
increase in the number of routers the packets are passing through, and  
also with speed of light issues.

But only when we're talking about distances of several thousand miles  
(e.g. across the atlantic). Within the UK it won't make a lot of  
difference where you are.

Take a look at the Network Utility (in the Utilities folder). Try a  
traceroute to various web addresses. You'll see a big jump in latency  
as you cross the atlantic.

e.g. try a traceroute to www.durrant.co.uk - that's a server at Demon  
Internet in London. For me (as my ISP is Demon Internet) latency is  
only about 22ms on average.
But a traceroute to www.wikipedia.org shows an average latency of  
130ms. that's because the Wikipedia server appears to be in Florida.  
About 70ms of the extra time is the hop across the atlantic. Most of  
the other 40ms is because of some weird routing in the states through  
Washington and Atlanta.

Paul

On 21 Oct 2009, at 23:59, Richard Nevill wrote:

>
> On 21 Oct 2009, at 20:11, Stefan Pietrzak Youngs wrote:
>
>> Latency obviously increases with
>> distance
>
>
>
> Err... not with my visualisation of the www it doesn't.
>
> Perhaps my presumption of random paths, repeaters and nodes is wrong?


From jill at 2js.org  Thu Oct 22 08:59:33 2009
From: jill at 2js.org (Jill Searle)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:59:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Ext HD's
Message-ID: <DB791486-04CE-4113-8EAC-359FDD725E41@2js.org>

Advice please. I am just setting up a new machine & to back up I have  
2 Ext HD's - USB 2  & Firewire 800 - both with enough space for either  
Time Machine or SuperDuper. Which combination should I use for best  
advantage ?
Jill

From paul at durrant.co.uk  Thu Oct 22 09:08:18 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 09:08:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Ext HD's
In-Reply-To: <DB791486-04CE-4113-8EAC-359FDD725E41@2js.org>
References: <DB791486-04CE-4113-8EAC-359FDD725E41@2js.org>
Message-ID: <6BB5EE92-BA4B-4477-9E91-B7CE7398F67F@durrant.co.uk>

Hi Jill,

Use Firewire 800 for the hard disk connection rather than USB - it's a  
lot faster. If both your external drives are Firewire 800 then you can  
"daisy-chain" them - one cable from Mac to first drive, another cable  
from first drive to second drive.

Time Machine is excellent for continuous backup and short-term  
archive. You should definitely have one disk as a Time Machine backup  
of your internal hard disk.

What Time Machine doesn't do is provide you an instant way to continue  
working if your main disk or machine dies. Time Machine disks aren't  
bootable - you have to restore from the Time Machine volume to a new  
drive.

SuperDuper, on the other hand, does produce bootable disks. You can  
boot off the SuperDuper drive and carry on (from the state of your  
last backup) as normal.

So, a SuperDuper backup is good if you can't afford a few hours  
downtime. If you're in that situation, a backup Mac is also a good idea.

For most users, Time Machine is all they need as backup. But ideally  
you should also do some archiving - copying important data (e.g.  
photos, music, documents) to DVD-R and storing the DVD-Rs away from  
the machine, and if possible off-site.

Time Machine /isn't/ an archival system. Some people treat it that  
way, but if the Time Machine disk dies, your archive is gone.  
Archiving regularly to DVD-R will give you redundant copies of your  
most important data in multiple locations.

regards,

Paul

On 22 Oct 2009, at 08:59, Jill Searle wrote:

> Advice please. I am just setting up a new machine & to back up I have
> 2 Ext HD's - USB 2  & Firewire 800 - both with enough space for either
> Time Machine or SuperDuper. Which combination should I use for best
> advantage ?
> Jill
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>


From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Thu Oct 22 10:45:04 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (Stefan Pietrzak Youngs)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:45:04 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Play WMV in QT
Message-ID: <18361D03-61AD-4FB4-918C-61F86D4A2588@gmail.com>

An earlier posting referenced difficulty playing WMV files in  
QuickTime and proposed VLC as the solution.

At the time I said I was playing WMV files just fine in my OSX10.6.1/ 
QT 10.0 (51) set-up

I have now found the same problem with a file. Opening the problem  
file throws an error that this file cannot be opened. Analysis of the  
header shows this:

*** General Parameters ***
- Name: goldfish.wmv
- Container: ASF (Active Streaming Format)
- Creation Date: 2009-10-22 10:06:21
- Size: 2.2 MiB
- Duration: 0:00:42
- Bitrate: 455 Kbps
- Encoding Library: Undefined
- Encoding Application: Undefined

*** Video Track Parameters ***
- Format: DivX ;-) (MS MPEG-4 v3)
- Size: 1.43 MiB (66%)
- FourCC: MP43
- Track number(s): 1
- Bitrate: Max.: Undefined
    Average: 300 Kbps
    Min.: Undefined
- Frame rate (fps): Max.: Undefined
    Average: 24.000
    Min.: Undefined
- Bitrate mode: Undefined
- Encoding profile: Undefined
- Resolution: 24 bits
- Width (Pixel number): 320
- Height (Pixel number): 240
- Pixel Aspect Ratio: Undefined
- Display aspect ratio: 4:3
- Chroma subsampling format: YUV420p
- TV standard: Undefined
- Interlacing: Undefined
- Encoding library: Undefined
- Additional Parameters: Bits/(Pixel*Frame) ratio: 0.163

*** Audio Track(s) Parameters ***
- Format: Mpeg-1 layer 3 (mp3)

Analysis of a WMV that plays fine shows this:

*** General Parameters ***
- Name: 20692-poolchick.wmv
- Container: ASF (Active Streaming Format)
- Creation Date: 2008-12-15 23:33:07
- Size: 659.1 KiB
- Duration: 0:00:15
- Bitrate: 447 Kbps
- Encoding Library: Undefined
- Encoding Application: Undefined

*** Video Track Parameters ***
- Format: Windows Media Video 9
- Size: 382 KiB (58%)
- FourCC: WMV3
- Track number(s): 2
- Bitrate: Max.: Undefined
    Average: 242 Kbps
    Min.: Undefined
- Frame rate (fps): Max.: Undefined
    Average: 25.000
    Min.: Undefined
- Bitrate mode: Variable
- Encoding profile: MP at ML
- Resolution: 24 bits
- Width (Pixel number): 640
- Height (Pixel number): 480
- Pixel Aspect Ratio: Undefined
- Display aspect ratio: 4:3
- Chroma subsampling format: YUV420p
- TV standard: Undefined
- Interlacing: Progressive
- Encoding library: Undefined
- Additional Parameters: Bits/(Pixel*Frame) ratio: 0.031

*** Audio Track(s) Parameters ***
- Format: Windows Media Audio Std v.2 - DivX audio v2

The major difference seems to be in the format. The one that doesn't  
play is DiVX, the other is WMV9. I reinstalled DiVX for QT and thought  
this had solved it because the file started to open into the familiar  
QT window but stopped with an OSS error which I failed to note before  
hitting the retry,. (something like -10009). On retry I just got the  
file was not recognized error.

Anybody got more information and experience than I to help with this?

Thanks



From alan at asw6000.plus.com  Thu Oct 22 12:02:42 2009
From: alan at asw6000.plus.com (Alan Williams)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:02:42 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Play WMV in QT
In-Reply-To: <18361D03-61AD-4FB4-918C-61F86D4A2588@gmail.com>
References: <18361D03-61AD-4FB4-918C-61F86D4A2588@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9B952082-7CF2-455E-B90E-00C51A26AA53@asw6000.plus.com>

Stefan
No idea what any of this means but VLC worked fine for me !!!!!

regards
Alan
On 22 Oct 2009, at 10:45, Stefan Pietrzak Youngs wrote:

> An earlier posting referenced difficulty playing WMV files in
> QuickTime and proposed VLC as the solution.
>
> At the time I said I was playing WMV files just fine in my OSX10.6.1/
> QT 10.0 (51) set-up
>
> I have now found the same problem with a file. Opening the problem
> file throws an error that this file cannot be opened. Analysis of the
> header shows this:
>
> *** General Parameters ***
> - Name: goldfish.wmv
> - Container: ASF (Active Streaming Format)
> - Creation Date: 2009-10-22 10:06:21
> - Size: 2.2 MiB
> - Duration: 0:00:42
> - Bitrate: 455 Kbps
> - Encoding Library: Undefined
> - Encoding Application: Undefined
>
> *** Video Track Parameters ***
> - Format: DivX ;-) (MS MPEG-4 v3)
> - Size: 1.43 MiB (66%)
> - FourCC: MP43
> - Track number(s): 1
> - Bitrate: Max.: Undefined
>    Average: 300 Kbps
>    Min.: Undefined
> - Frame rate (fps): Max.: Undefined
>    Average: 24.000
>    Min.: Undefined
> - Bitrate mode: Undefined
> - Encoding profile: Undefined
> - Resolution: 24 bits
> - Width (Pixel number): 320
> - Height (Pixel number): 240
> - Pixel Aspect Ratio: Undefined
> - Display aspect ratio: 4:3
> - Chroma subsampling format: YUV420p
> - TV standard: Undefined
> - Interlacing: Undefined
> - Encoding library: Undefined
> - Additional Parameters: Bits/(Pixel*Frame) ratio: 0.163
>
> *** Audio Track(s) Parameters ***
> - Format: Mpeg-1 layer 3 (mp3)
>
> Analysis of a WMV that plays fine shows this:
>
> *** General Parameters ***
> - Name: 20692-poolchick.wmv
> - Container: ASF (Active Streaming Format)
> - Creation Date: 2008-12-15 23:33:07
> - Size: 659.1 KiB
> - Duration: 0:00:15
> - Bitrate: 447 Kbps
> - Encoding Library: Undefined
> - Encoding Application: Undefined
>
> *** Video Track Parameters ***
> - Format: Windows Media Video 9
> - Size: 382 KiB (58%)
> - FourCC: WMV3
> - Track number(s): 2
> - Bitrate: Max.: Undefined
>    Average: 242 Kbps
>    Min.: Undefined
> - Frame rate (fps): Max.: Undefined
>    Average: 25.000
>    Min.: Undefined
> - Bitrate mode: Variable
> - Encoding profile: MP at ML
> - Resolution: 24 bits
> - Width (Pixel number): 640
> - Height (Pixel number): 480
> - Pixel Aspect Ratio: Undefined
> - Display aspect ratio: 4:3
> - Chroma subsampling format: YUV420p
> - TV standard: Undefined
> - Interlacing: Progressive
> - Encoding library: Undefined
> - Additional Parameters: Bits/(Pixel*Frame) ratio: 0.031
>
> *** Audio Track(s) Parameters ***
> - Format: Windows Media Audio Std v.2 - DivX audio v2
>
> The major difference seems to be in the format. The one that doesn't
> play is DiVX, the other is WMV9. I reinstalled DiVX for QT and thought
> this had solved it because the file started to open into the familiar
> QT window but stopped with an OSS error which I failed to note before
> hitting the retry,. (something like -10009). On retry I just got the
> file was not recognized error.
>
> Anybody got more information and experience than I to help with this?
>
> Thanks
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

Alan Williams
alan at asw6000.plus.com




From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Thu Oct 22 14:42:01 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (Stefan Pietrzak Youngs)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:42:01 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Play WMV in QT (addendum)
Message-ID: <B776E075-EE7F-4BCE-8D66-86252D90F635@gmail.com>

With reference to my earlier posting on this problem, I should have  
said the problem file plays OK in VLC, so there does not appear to be  
a problem with the file itself being corrupted




From paul.stern at me.com  Thu Oct 22 15:44:37 2009
From: paul.stern at me.com (Paul Stern)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:44:37 +0200
Subject: [NMUG] LogMeIn
Message-ID: <93540BCB-A6AD-4CE6-A91C-C84C8BD0614D@me.com>

Just joined the group so I hope I am not repeating anything already  
said, if so, sorry!

I have been using LogMeIn for a few years, both on PC's and Windows.   
Its use has mainly been to support family and friends.

I work at sea and have accessed LogMeIn with little trouble.  Remote  
Control can be slow due to the graphics and the resolution needs  
playing with.

Its so far the best product I have found.

Should you need any help, feel free to drop me a line.

Regards,

Paul

From jill at 2js.org  Thu Oct 22 18:03:05 2009
From: jill at 2js.org (Jill Searle)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:03:05 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Ext HD's
Message-ID: <5B77E705-CD93-4056-ADA0-59994C5772C1@2js.org>

Thanks Paul for the quick reply I will start the process.
Jill


From jwebber19 at googlemail.com  Thu Oct 22 18:09:21 2009
From: jwebber19 at googlemail.com (james webber)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:09:21 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] too many emails!
Message-ID: <4b639c160910221009g5b7f8221ne365d77c049ec8cf@mail.gmail.com>

Hello!, just wondered if you be so kind and remove me from the email list as
im getting what seems like all the traffic between everyone!
Many, many thanks

James  Webber

From david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk  Thu Oct 22 18:13:00 2009
From: david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk (David Reynolds)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:13:00 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] too many emails!
In-Reply-To: <4b639c160910221009g5b7f8221ne365d77c049ec8cf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4b639c160910221009g5b7f8221ne365d77c049ec8cf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0401E931-DB1E-4C8A-AC79-6192477E8B68@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>


On 22 Oct 2009, at 18:09, james webber wrote:

> Hello!, just wondered if you be so kind and remove me from the email  
> list as
> im getting what seems like all the traffic between everyone!

That is the nature of a mailing list - it often takes the form of a .

As for unsubscribing, each email that you get has a link that you can  
follow which will enable you to unsubscribe yourself.

-- 
David Reynolds
david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk


From robharrington at mac.com  Thu Oct 22 19:56:54 2009
From: robharrington at mac.com (ROB HARRINGTON)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:56:54 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] too many emails!
In-Reply-To: <0401E931-DB1E-4C8A-AC79-6192477E8B68@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>
References: <4b639c160910221009g5b7f8221ne365d77c049ec8cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<0401E931-DB1E-4C8A-AC79-6192477E8B68@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>
Message-ID: <FB68B025-B2AB-4F58-A66A-571F44F4699B@mac.com>

I note that James Webber first mentioned this on the 3rd of August!
Rob Harrington


> On 22 Oct 2009, at 18:09, james webber wrote:
>
>> Hello!, just wondered if you be so kind and remove me from the email
>> list as
>> im getting what seems like all the traffic between everyone!
>
> That is the nature of a mailing list - it often takes the form of a .
>
> As for unsubscribing, each email that you get has a link that you can
> follow which will enable you to unsubscribe yourself.
>
> --  
> David Reynolds
> david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ 
> listinfo/nmug


From penguinsplj at me.com  Thu Oct 22 20:11:23 2009
From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:11:23 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] too many emails!
In-Reply-To: <FB68B025-B2AB-4F58-A66A-571F44F4699B@mac.com>
References: <4b639c160910221009g5b7f8221ne365d77c049ec8cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<0401E931-DB1E-4C8A-AC79-6192477E8B68@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>
	<FB68B025-B2AB-4F58-A66A-571F44F4699B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7819D784-F3AE-4CB6-B206-BC196FB9ED8F@me.com>


On Oct 22, 2009, at 19:56, ROB HARRINGTON wrote:

> I note that James Webber first mentioned this on the 3rd of August!

Wrong! He first mentioned it 14th May and then again on the 3rd of  
August.

Paul D told him what to do in May, Scott and Paul D gave advice again  
in August and so far David has given the advice and I expect the next  
message just after Christmas.

Paul C


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Thu Oct 22 20:24:54 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:24:54 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] too many emails!
In-Reply-To: <7819D784-F3AE-4CB6-B206-BC196FB9ED8F@me.com>
References: <4b639c160910221009g5b7f8221ne365d77c049ec8cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<0401E931-DB1E-4C8A-AC79-6192477E8B68@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>
	<FB68B025-B2AB-4F58-A66A-571F44F4699B@mac.com>
	<7819D784-F3AE-4CB6-B206-BC196FB9ED8F@me.com>
Message-ID: <7080ABB8-E5E2-4E09-8115-689E6DCFF7A5@durrant.co.uk>

Well, I switched him to digest mode meantime, and offered to manually  
remove him from the list if that doesn't suit.

I hadn't thought to look back for past requests!

Paul

On 22 Oct 2009, at 20:11, Paul Chapman wrote:

>
> On Oct 22, 2009, at 19:56, ROB HARRINGTON wrote:
>
>> I note that James Webber first mentioned this on the 3rd of August!
>
> Wrong! He first mentioned it 14th May and then again on the 3rd of
> August.
>
> Paul D told him what to do in May, Scott and Paul D gave advice again
> in August and so far David has given the advice and I expect the next
> message just after Christmas.


From sc at davidviner.com  Thu Oct 22 20:33:23 2009
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:33:23 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] too many emails!
In-Reply-To: <7819D784-F3AE-4CB6-B206-BC196FB9ED8F@me.com>
References: <4b639c160910221009g5b7f8221ne365d77c049ec8cf@mail.gmail.com>	<0401E931-DB1E-4C8A-AC79-6192477E8B68@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>	<FB68B025-B2AB-4F58-A66A-571F44F4699B@mac.com>
	<7819D784-F3AE-4CB6-B206-BC196FB9ED8F@me.com>
Message-ID: <4AE0B383.3020106@davidviner.com>


> Wrong! He first mentioned it 14th May and then again on the 3rd of  
> August.
>
> Paul D told him what to do in May, Scott and Paul D gave advice again  
> in August and so far David has given the advice and I expect the next  
> message just after Christmas.
>   

Is anyone taking bets on the exact date?

David



From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Thu Oct 22 20:58:27 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:58:27 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Darwinian nightmare
In-Reply-To: <BACFC820-3047-41C5-A423-397CF3B332F8@gmail.com>
References: <67FA4EA1-C0CF-4A1A-BE8B-EC0C73A31A76@gmail.com>	<4ADCDDEF.2080800@stackyard.org>
	<BACFC820-3047-41C5-A423-397CF3B332F8@gmail.com>
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Steve,

Well, it depends on what you ultimately want to achieve.  There's 
nothing wrong with learning UNIX by using a Mac as long as you have an 
ultimate use for the Mac's abilities.  The mistake would be to choose 
the Mac platform with the sole aim of learning UNIX.  "Learning UNIX" is 
a bit of a vague ambition anyway due to the vast variation between the 
many versions of both the UNIX and UNIX-like OSs (Linux and OS X are 
UNIX-like, not UNIX).  There are, of course, similarities but you might 
want to consider what your ultimate goal is first before choosing which 
version to learn.  The Mac platform provides many advantages, not least 
of which is the limitless help available from the esteemed members of 
this mailing list.  If you can make use of a Mac (and who can't?), then 
there's no reason not to learn the OS X version of UNIX as you 
experience the enjoyment of using a Mac.

Your point about wanting to be in control is valid and true for all OSs 
including Windows.  It's always nice to know what is actually happening.

Regarding the configuration of a server, it is simpler than you think.  
As soon as you share a printer or a folder, you have configured a server 
whether you like it or not.

One critical issue is the hardware.  Many UNIX and UNIX-like OSs are 
multi-platform.  OS X is proprietary and only runs on Apple hardware 
unless you start getting very technical (His Steveness frowns upon 
people who do this and doth smite companies which lend assistance to 
such evildoers).   Of course, the advantage of Apple hardware is that it 
can run Mac OS X AND Linux AND Windows which a normal X86 box will not - 
easily.

So choose what you want to end up with.  Then choose your platform.

Ken

Steve Batch wrote:
> Hi Ken thanks for your input, sorry for the slow reply, I've been  
> working a lot of hours lately.
>
> Let me try to explain how I came to the obscure choice of Darwin:
>
> I want to use the Unix commands to complement and enhance my Mac  
> experience so rather than just learning about standard functionality  
> that is present on most Unix I actually want to learn about the  
> additional Apple commands.  (I know these are useless outside of OS X,  
> but that's ok).
>
> I want to feel in control of my OS and understand for myself what is  
> happening for example when file permissions go screwy or an  
> application behaves peculiarly without having to resort to third party  
> application downloads that perform the task for me, when I know that I  
> could simply carry out the task myself if I had a better understanding  
> of the commands.
>
> I don't have a desire at the moment to configure a server but in the  
> future that will most likely come up.
>
> I hear what you are saying about OS X not being the best place to  
> start, I am now thinking that because I have forgotten pretty much all  
> I learnt about Unix/Linux I should probably start from scratch and get  
> up to speed with a basic Linux distribution and then move on to OS X  
> once I have a better grasp.
>
> A friends once said that the best way to learn Linux is to complete a  
> 'Linux from scratch' system <http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/> he  
> swore by it saying he learnt so much from this approach.
>
> Steve.
>
>   

From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Thu Oct 22 21:48:38 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (Stefan Pietrzak Youngs)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:48:38 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Latencies
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1256209201.56327.nmug@nmug.org.uk>
References: <mailman.1.1256209201.56327.nmug@nmug.org.uk>
Message-ID: <C4EB18C1-0EC0-46FC-9D94-7A98F34BE5AF@gmail.com>


>
>>
>> On 21 Oct 2009, at 20:11, Stefan Pietrzak Youngs wrote:
>>
>>> Latency obviously increases with
>>> distance
>>
>>
>>
>> Err... not with my visualisation of the www it doesn't.
>>
>> Perhaps my presumption of random paths, repeaters and nodes is wrong?


A moment's reflection will surely reveal that  latency always  
increases with distance. Obviously with a direct connection A to B,  
the longer the distance, the greater the latency. Speed of light. Now  
imagine an alternative path is provided: A to C to B.. well now we  
have to have a device at A to choose which path... this will take time  
= latency, some packets will go via C, some will still go direct, so  
now we need a mechanism to stitch the packets together correctly at B.  
More processing = more latency. As the number of intermediate nodes  
increases so does the opportunity for an error, which means retries =  
more latency.

Since the internet is non deterministic and there is (currently) no  
mechanism to make it not so, it's very likely that as nodes increase,  
latency will follow and upward spiral since there will be more route  
options at every bifurcation point.

I did some work with the advanced music group at Stanford a few years  
ago where we had musicians at Stanford, San Francisco, Santa Cruz,  
Cleveland and the Juilliard School in New York all playing together  
over the Internet. What we found was that even 500 miles was long  
enough for enough latency to come into play to make its effect  
noticeable to professional musicians, who apparently can hear within a  
gnat's crotchet (to quote the late, much lamented Humphrey Lyttleton).  
Interestingly, Stanford repeated the experiment using high speed  
Internet2 and latency fell rather dramatically. Speed of light can't  
be overcome of course, but Internet2 experience bears out Paul's point  
about routers and switches contributing to huge latencies since they  
were much smaller in number in the Internet2 experiment.


From ricnev at mac.com  Fri Oct 23 14:25:47 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:25:47 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] too many emails!
In-Reply-To: <4b639c160910221009g5b7f8221ne365d77c049ec8cf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4b639c160910221009g5b7f8221ne365d77c049ec8cf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CB67B512-81A5-45CD-A428-09BBC277A1E2@mac.com>

Hello all. Quiet here today.

Just wondered if everyone has perhaps over-reacted to this!

I quite like getting lots of emails about something I'm interested in,  
as long as they are constructive and/or educational.

I also like helping people, and if people feel inhibited from asking  
questions, I'll miss the warm glow of spreading misinformation ;-)

If traffic is bothering anyone, there are lots of ways to filter  
messages so you don't get swamped with everything.

I tend to scan message Subject lines, and delete anything I'm not  
interested in immediately.

If my conscience ever pricks me into thinking I should have followed  
up on something I've deleted, there's always the trash bin and/or the  
NMUG list archives.

Richard.


On 22 Oct 2009, at 18:09, james webber wrote:

> Hello!, just wondered if you be so kind and remove me from the email  
> list as
> im getting what seems like all the traffic between everyone!
> Many, many thanks
>
> James  Webber
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From sc at davidviner.com  Fri Oct 23 14:39:34 2009
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:39:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New Mac advert
In-Reply-To: <C4EB18C1-0EC0-46FC-9D94-7A98F34BE5AF@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1256209201.56327.nmug@nmug.org.uk>
	<C4EB18C1-0EC0-46FC-9D94-7A98F34BE5AF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AE1B216.7010003@davidviner.com>

LOL

http://movies.apple.com/media/us/mac/getamac/2009/apple-mvp-broken_promises-us-20091022_480x272.mov


From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Fri Oct 23 14:40:37 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:40:37 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] too many emails!
In-Reply-To: <CB67B512-81A5-45CD-A428-09BBC277A1E2@mac.com>
References: <4b639c160910221009g5b7f8221ne365d77c049ec8cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<CB67B512-81A5-45CD-A428-09BBC277A1E2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E58C9E9E-6003-4B87-BD20-50A0DB40F2DF@gmail.com>


I'll admit that the message did make me stop to think that perhaps I  
should be messaging individuals directly more instead of posting  
everything to the group but I suppose I was hoping that I would get  
other people's opinions on something even if it was not directly aimed  
at them.

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYWmDag3ruM>


Steve.

On 23 Oct 2009, at 14:25, Richard Nevill wrote:

> I quite like getting lots of emails about something I'm interested in,
> as long as they are constructive and/or educational.
>
>
>
> On 22 Oct 2009, at 18:09, james webber wrote:
>
>> Hello!, just wondered if you be so kind and remove me from the email
>> list as
>> im getting what seems like all the traffic between everyone!


From macman at f2s.com  Fri Oct 23 14:50:46 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:50:46 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] too many emails!
In-Reply-To: <E58C9E9E-6003-4B87-BD20-50A0DB40F2DF@gmail.com>
References: <4b639c160910221009g5b7f8221ne365d77c049ec8cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<CB67B512-81A5-45CD-A428-09BBC277A1E2@mac.com>
	<E58C9E9E-6003-4B87-BD20-50A0DB40F2DF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C0C3531A-7680-472A-BB8E-8A9756F92F91@f2s.com>

Some months ago we went through a period of auto-replying to the  
original poster rather than to the group.  If my memory serves me  
right, it was in an attempt to make the digest smaller, but I for one  
missed the responses, and was often left wondering if a satisfactory  
outcome to a problem had been achieved.

I often see queries posted which may today be irrelevant to me, but I  
take heed of the solutions for the day when I may just encounter the  
same problem!

Robbie



On 23 Oct 2009, at 14:40, Steve Batch wrote:


I'll admit that the message did make me stop to think that perhaps I
should be messaging individuals directly more instead of posting
everything to the group but I suppose I was hoping that I would get
other people's opinions on something even if it was not directly aimed
at them.

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYWmDag3ruM>


Steve.

On 23 Oct 2009, at 14:25, Richard Nevill wrote:

> I quite like getting lots of emails about something I'm interested in,
> as long as they are constructive and/or educational.
>
>
>
> On 22 Oct 2009, at 18:09, james webber wrote:
>
>> Hello!, just wondered if you be so kind and remove me from the email
>> list as
>> im getting what seems like all the traffic between everyone!

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From bazyoungs at mac.com  Fri Oct 23 14:58:28 2009
From: bazyoungs at mac.com (Barry Youngs)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 14:58:28 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] too many emails!
In-Reply-To: <C0C3531A-7680-472A-BB8E-8A9756F92F91@f2s.com>
References: <4b639c160910221009g5b7f8221ne365d77c049ec8cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<CB67B512-81A5-45CD-A428-09BBC277A1E2@mac.com>
	<E58C9E9E-6003-4B87-BD20-50A0DB40F2DF@gmail.com>
	<C0C3531A-7680-472A-BB8E-8A9756F92F91@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <A28C7A6D-7AD6-4403-A287-856105A2F83D@mac.com>

Hear Hear!
My sentiments exactly.
Baz

On 23 Oct 2009, at 14:50, Robbie Murray wrote:
>
> I often see queries posted which may today be irrelevant to me, but I
> take heed of the solutions for the day when I may just encounter the
> same problem!
>

I went to a bookstore and asked the sales woman,?Where?s the self-help  
section?? She said if she told me, it would defeat the purpose.




From robharrington at mac.com  Fri Oct 23 18:26:13 2009
From: robharrington at mac.com (ROB HARRINGTON)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 18:26:13 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] too many emails!
In-Reply-To: <C0C3531A-7680-472A-BB8E-8A9756F92F91@f2s.com>
References: <4b639c160910221009g5b7f8221ne365d77c049ec8cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<CB67B512-81A5-45CD-A428-09BBC277A1E2@mac.com>
	<E58C9E9E-6003-4B87-BD20-50A0DB40F2DF@gmail.com>
	<C0C3531A-7680-472A-BB8E-8A9756F92F91@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <271EC5E1-10EA-4D16-93C8-DDE2C1A46EC0@mac.com>

We had quite a correspondence about auto-replying to the original  
poster, and how much can be learned from following a line of enquiry  
without taking part.It is not difficult to assign folders to filter  
the mass  of e-mails. Please long may it continue this way.
  Rob Harrington

On 23 Oct 2009, at 14:50, Robbie Murray wrote:

> Some months ago we went through a period of auto-replying to the
> original poster rather than to the group.  If my memory serves me
> right, it was in an attempt to make the digest smaller, but I for one
> missed the responses, and was often left wondering if a satisfactory
> outcome to a problem had been achieved.
>
> I often see queries posted which may today be irrelevant to me, but I
> take heed of the solutions for the day when I may just encounter the
> same problem!
>
> Robbie
>


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat Oct 24 09:09:31 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 09:09:31 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] too many emails!
Message-ID: <z2pb45Xwxdpt.nGP3s7d3@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

I for one like how it works at present and hated the 'reply to original sender' method we tried a few months ago.

Like Rob said, you couldnt follow a thread through as half of it was missing.

Mailing groups create a lot of mail just by there nature. I subscribe to many lists and my inbox gets full. But I sift through reading most messages and replies.

You can always set up folders and filter them.

Or you can pick up the digest instead of individual emails.

Simon

--- visit http://www.simonroyal.co.uk (sent using Nokia E65)

- original message -
Subject:	Re: [NMUG] too many emails!
From:	ROB HARRINGTON <robharrington at mac.com>
Date:		23/10/2009 17:28

We had quite a correspondence about auto-replying to the original  
poster, and how much can be learned from following a line of enquiry  
without taking part.It is not difficult to assign folders to filter  
the mass  of e-mails. Please long may it continue this way.
  Rob Harrington

On 23 Oct 2009, at 14:50, Robbie Murray wrote:

> Some months ago we went through a period of auto-replying to the
> original poster rather than to the group.  If my memory serves me
> right, it was in an attempt to make the digest smaller, but I for one
> missed the responses, and was often left wondering if a satisfactory
> outcome to a problem had been achieved.
>
> I often see queries posted which may today be irrelevant to me, but I
> take heed of the solutions for the day when I may just encounter the
> same problem!
>
> Robbie
>

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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sat Oct 24 10:58:42 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:58:42 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Spotlight, Time Machine and Memory
Message-ID: <D62F36DB-4FAA-4A05-9042-8006F1F0086A@durrant.co.uk>

I thought it worth-while recounting some troubleshooting I just did.

I found that my machine was being unreasonably slow when I had lots of  
open applications.

Now, if you have lots of applications open, it's possible to use more  
memory than your machine actually has installed. In this case, some of  
the data used by applications in the background is written out to  
disk. When you bring these applications to the foreground to use them,  
it takes a few seconds for this data to be read back in (and other  
data to be written to disk).

When data has to be written out to disk this is a "Page out", and  
Activity Monitor will show (in the System Memory tab) the number of  
Page outs since the system was last started.

If you have adequate memory for your use of the machine, the Page outs  
will typically be zero, or perhaps a few tens of megabytes.

Mine was showing gigabytes by pageouts. But I have 4GB installed, and  
I shouldn't have been seeing any. So I sorted the process list by  
RSIZE - the amount of physical memory the process was using.

A process called mds was using over 700MB of memory!

mds is part of Spotlight. After much searching of the internet, and  
tests of my machine, I found that mds normally used 50MB or less of  
memory. But on my machine, the first time that Time Machine ran after  
a restart, the memory used by mds went up to over 700MB and didn't  
come back down.

More searching found a solution (although not an explanation). I had  
already excluded my Time Machine volume from Spotlight. But it seems  
the problem was being triggered by the partial index already created  
on my Time Machine disk. The solution suggested was to delete this  
index and let spotlight rebuild a minimal one.

Using the terminal,  I deleted the entire .Spotlight-V100 folder from  
my Time Machine drive. Spotlight quickly rebuilt a minimal folder, and  
now my mds no longer takes up 700MB, even when Time Machine runs.

I hope this is of some interest - I don't think this is a common  
problem though. If anyone would like more details, I'd be happy to go  
into the commands needed.

regards,

Paul

From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com  Sat Oct 24 11:13:54 2009
From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:13:54 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard
Message-ID: <6AF72614-C4EA-41F6-A4BB-E52F3828F55D@gmail.com>

Am I right in surmising that in order to carry out a S/N re-install it  
would be necessary to start with your Leopard disc then wade through  
all the updates-then re-install your S/N disc? 'Cos that seems a lot  
of tedium
Richard Stewart
rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com





From allanmacam at me.com  Sat Oct 24 11:17:42 2009
From: allanmacam at me.com (Allan)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:17:42 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <6AF72614-C4EA-41F6-A4BB-E52F3828F55D@gmail.com>
References: <6AF72614-C4EA-41F6-A4BB-E52F3828F55D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0914E284-8B4A-49E1-8268-3128CA949977@me.com>

If you have S/L running already, just pop in the installer disc, click  
Utilitilies and the machine will boot from the disc. You can than do a  
clean install.

AJ


On 24 Oct 2009, at 11:13, Richard Stewart wrote:

> Am I right in surmising that in order to carry out a S/N re-install it
> would be necessary to start with your Leopard disc then wade through
> all the updates-then re-install your S/N disc? 'Cos that seems a lot
> of tedium
> Richard Stewart
> rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
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From munkt0n at gmail.com  Sat Oct 24 11:20:00 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:20:00 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Spotlight, Time Machine and Memory
In-Reply-To: <D62F36DB-4FAA-4A05-9042-8006F1F0086A@durrant.co.uk>
References: <D62F36DB-4FAA-4A05-9042-8006F1F0086A@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0910240320y4d244463q8c71f3a3fffc95b7@mail.gmail.com>

thanks for the description of 'page outs' I've been meaning to look
that up for a while.
I've also just realised why firefox is acting sluggish - it's taking up over 1GB

On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Paul Durrant <paul at durrant.co.uk> wrote:
> I thought it worth-while recounting some troubleshooting I just did.
>
> I found that my machine was being unreasonably slow when I had lots of
> open applications.
>
> Now, if you have lots of applications open, it's possible to use more
> memory than your machine actually has installed. In this case, some of
> the data used by applications in the background is written out to
> disk. When you bring these applications to the foreground to use them,
> it takes a few seconds for this data to be read back in (and other
> data to be written to disk).
>
> When data has to be written out to disk this is a "Page out", and
> Activity Monitor will show (in the System Memory tab) the number of
> Page outs since the system was last started.
>
> If you have adequate memory for your use of the machine, the Page outs
> will typically be zero, or perhaps a few tens of megabytes.
>
> Mine was showing gigabytes by pageouts. But I have 4GB installed, and
> I shouldn't have been seeing any. So I sorted the process list by
> RSIZE - the amount of physical memory the process was using.
>
> A process called mds was using over 700MB of memory!
>
> mds is part of Spotlight. After much searching of the internet, and
> tests of my machine, I found that mds normally used 50MB or less of
> memory. But on my machine, the first time that Time Machine ran after
> a restart, the memory used by mds went up to over 700MB and didn't
> come back down.
>
> More searching found a solution (although not an explanation). I had
> already excluded my Time Machine volume from Spotlight. But it seems
> the problem was being triggered by the partial index already created
> on my Time Machine disk. The solution suggested was to delete this
> index and let spotlight rebuild a minimal one.
>
> Using the terminal, ?I deleted the entire .Spotlight-V100 folder from
> my Time Machine drive. Spotlight quickly rebuilt a minimal folder, and
> now my mds no longer takes up 700MB, even when Time Machine runs.
>
> I hope this is of some interest - I don't think this is a common
> problem though. If anyone would like more details, I'd be happy to go
> into the commands needed.
>
> regards,
>
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
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-- 
:wq

From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com  Sat Oct 24 11:31:09 2009
From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:31:09 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <0914E284-8B4A-49E1-8268-3128CA949977@me.com>
References: <6AF72614-C4EA-41F6-A4BB-E52F3828F55D@gmail.com>
	<0914E284-8B4A-49E1-8268-3128CA949977@me.com>
Message-ID: <5A563D72-6B8E-4DC6-8EB6-27BD33F566CB@gmail.com>

Thanks Allan, I'm not sure you quite grasp what I'm getting at. As far  
as I can determine, S/N is an upgrade and as such needs Leopard  
already installed in order to function properly, it's not a standalone  
system, at least, I now realise, not on my upgrade disc which was the  
low cost item available to those of us who purchased a Mac recently.
On 24 Oct 2009, at 11:17, Allan wrote:

clean install.

Richard Stewart
rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com





From allanmacam at me.com  Sat Oct 24 11:37:29 2009
From: allanmacam at me.com (Allan)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:37:29 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <5A563D72-6B8E-4DC6-8EB6-27BD33F566CB@gmail.com>
References: <6AF72614-C4EA-41F6-A4BB-E52F3828F55D@gmail.com>
	<0914E284-8B4A-49E1-8268-3128CA949977@me.com>
	<5A563D72-6B8E-4DC6-8EB6-27BD33F566CB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EFA04392-1A99-478C-9B37-02AF36B82554@me.com>

You have the same disc I have and `I've installed a number of Clean  
Installs on all our machines here. Even if the base machine is running  
10.5, you can still clean install by going through the Utilities  
folder on the upgrade disc.


On 24 Oct 2009, at 11:31, Richard Stewart wrote:

> Thanks Allan, I'm not sure you quite grasp what I'm getting at. As far
> as I can determine, S/N is an upgrade and as such needs Leopard
> already installed in order to function properly, it's not a standalone
> system, at least, I now realise, not on my upgrade disc which was the
> low cost item available to those of us who purchased a Mac recently.
> On 24 Oct 2009, at 11:17, Allan wrote:
>
> clean install.
>
> Richard Stewart
> rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
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From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com  Sat Oct 24 11:40:54 2009
From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 11:40:54 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <EFA04392-1A99-478C-9B37-02AF36B82554@me.com>
References: <6AF72614-C4EA-41F6-A4BB-E52F3828F55D@gmail.com>
	<0914E284-8B4A-49E1-8268-3128CA949977@me.com>
	<5A563D72-6B8E-4DC6-8EB6-27BD33F566CB@gmail.com>
	<EFA04392-1A99-478C-9B37-02AF36B82554@me.com>
Message-ID: <883A6C2B-7421-45EE-9CBB-7A83CE5E1720@gmail.com>

Thanks for that Allan, I'll reinstall with confidence as it becomes  
necessary
On 24 Oct 2009, at 11:37, Allan wrote:

clean install by going through the Utilities

Richard Stewart
rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com





From alanbarber at mac.com  Sat Oct 24 14:30:06 2009
From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:30:06 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] chat rooms
Message-ID: <F699EABF-0B7A-4279-B0FD-B7F9D54447C4@mac.com>

Friends in spain were using  a chat room which was recently updated.
They can no longer get into the chat room.
Does anyone think there could be additional software needed.
Using a pc works fine its just a mac that causes problems

Regards

Alan
		


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sat Oct 24 15:35:55 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 15:35:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] chat rooms
In-Reply-To: <F699EABF-0B7A-4279-B0FD-B7F9D54447C4@mac.com>
References: <F699EABF-0B7A-4279-B0FD-B7F9D54447C4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <6089EDE2-082C-42B2-8288-AE21ADD20B67@durrant.co.uk>

The could try with Firefox. If that doesn't work, they could try with  
Firefox and set the "User Agent" (in preferences I think) to be  
Microsoft Explorer.

Paul

On 24 Oct 2009, at 14:30, Alan Barber wrote:

> Friends in spain were using  a chat room which was recently updated.
> They can no longer get into the chat room.
> Does anyone think there could be additional software needed.
> Using a pc works fine its just a mac that causes problems


From hidunc at ntlworld.com  Sat Oct 24 17:47:17 2009
From: hidunc at ntlworld.com (J L Duncan Bradford)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 17:47:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] webhosting advice wanted
Message-ID: <4784968B-D3AB-42C6-B205-4825B4761CC4@ntlworld.com>

Having written several articles and technical help documents about  
old Reliant cars over the years I'm thinking about putting them up on  
a website which I can control, add to etc. as necessary.  I've played  
with Freeway Pro a bit & think I can just about get my head around  
the building & publishing of a site.  As a complete beginner though I  
have no idea of what to do next.  I guess I need to obtain a domain  
name and find a basic reasonably priced [or free?] host.  I wouldn't  
mind adverts or whatever, to keep the cost down as this wouldn't be a  
site to reflect the public face of my business, just a convenient  
place where I can direct people to in order to read and download  
anything I put up there.
There are loads of things I guess I don't know/haven't thought about/ 
am unaware of needing etc. but searching the internet has just  
confused me, and lots of 'offers' are obviously too good to be true.
The alternative is to pay good money to someone like Netcom who do an  
excellent job for the Company I work for, but are probably a cut  
above what I need, or can really afford.
Any simple guidance, folks?
Duncan




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat Oct 24 18:36:59 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:36:59 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] webhosting advice wanted
Message-ID: <CyZhYnxf2ShH.glFmlPD2@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

Firstly, I love Reliant cars and would love to be one of your first visitors.

Secondly, I use Madasafish who over Just Mail for only ?2 a month with a free domain and 100mb web space. 

It is nothing fancy and they do not offer support for php, but my site is hosted with them so you can see the sort of site you can create. My blog is also hosted there but managed by blogger.

Simon --- visit http://www.simonroyal.co.uk (sent using Nokia E65)

- original message -
Subject:	[NMUG] webhosting advice wanted
From:	J L Duncan Bradford <hidunc at ntlworld.com>
Date:		24/10/2009 16:47

Having written several articles and technical help documents about  
old Reliant cars over the years I'm thinking about putting them up on  
a website which I can control, add to etc. as necessary.  I've played  
with Freeway Pro a bit & think I can just about get my head around  
the building & publishing of a site.  As a complete beginner though I  
have no idea of what to do next.  I guess I need to obtain a domain  
name and find a basic reasonably priced [or free?] host.  I wouldn't  
mind adverts or whatever, to keep the cost down as this wouldn't be a  
site to reflect the public face of my business, just a convenient  
place where I can direct people to in order to read and download  
anything I put up there.
There are loads of things I guess I don't know/haven't thought about/ 
am unaware of needing etc. but searching the internet has just  
confused me, and lots of 'offers' are obviously too good to be true.
The alternative is to pay good money to someone like Netcom who do an  
excellent job for the Company I work for, but are probably a cut  
above what I need, or can really afford.
Any simple guidance, folks?
Duncan



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From david.maskell at ntlworld.com  Sat Oct 24 19:02:54 2009
From: david.maskell at ntlworld.com (David Maskell)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:02:54 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Archive and Install Question
Message-ID: <7C81F7D9-060C-440D-AF8F-717DB8C18A02@ntlworld.com>

Hi,
I Have a G5 Imac 17" Isight.  I remember it used to be lightning quick  
with tiger, but with leopard it's just a little slower than I like..
When I installed Leopard i didn't want to lose any data, so i just  
chose the upgrade option.

Now I am thinking of doing an Archive and Install... how would this  
work? When I bought the Imac 2nd hand it had word/cs3  on it... but  
not the install discs
If I archived and installed will I be able to get these back from the  
archived folder?

Would this essentially be a new install, with a folder with the old  
system on which I can drag and drop programs etc?

If this is the case it seems a good way to go?

David


From sc at davidviner.com  Sat Oct 24 19:49:58 2009
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:49:58 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] webhosting advice wanted
In-Reply-To: <4784968B-D3AB-42C6-B205-4825B4761CC4@ntlworld.com>
References: <4784968B-D3AB-42C6-B205-4825B4761CC4@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <4AE34C56.3000503@davidviner.com>

Duncan

One thing to check is whether or not any "build-it-yourself" type of 
sites you are considering require the use of ASP or PHP. Whilst at least 
one of these will usually come as standard with paid-for hosting, many 
of the freebie ones that come with ISP accounts won't. I know that the 
Virgin Media space is like that and Simon can probably confirm whether 
or not the Madasafish one is the same.

If you decide that you do need more than the freebie webspace then there 
are a hell of a lot of web hosting companies out there and, as you 
rightly surmise, a lot of them are too good to be true and some are 
downright dire. From experience I can tell you to avoid (at all costs):

    * Positive Internet - their slogan is "We're Good" - I would beg to
      differ.... they are incompetent (though not as bad as the 3 listed
      below) and have no telephone support (only sales lines).
    * FastHosts - they are cheap but their support is appalling, trained
      monkeys would give better technical support than the brain-dead
      drones they employ!
    * Streamline - no telephone support, and they use FastHost for their
      infrastructure. Technical support is worse than FastHosts - and in
      one experience of mine, totally insulting (the one client I had
      using them has now moved to PlugSocket - see below)
    * 1&1 - this is actually the same company as FastHosts (although
      both brands still exist). They used to be separate companies but
      merged (I think 1&1 took FastHosts over when the guy that started
      FastHosts sold up) several years ago when FastHosts used to be a
      reasonable hosting company.

(you can probably see a pattern emerging there!!!)

Many of the extremely cheap/free hosting companies may also look 
tempting, I've tried a couple but in general I've found that they put so 
many sites onto a single server that they all run slowly. Other things 
to avoid are any company with no telephone support and those that will 
switch off your web site if you go over your monthly bandwidth.

A good number of the web sites I've built over the past few years are 
hosted by PlugSocket (www.plugsocket.com) and I've used them for my own 
site since 2002. They do regular backups 4 times a day (though I've 
never had a site that they host go down) and they allow you to get at 
several of the site configuration files yourself. The speed at which the 
sites run is quite acceptable. Whenever I've had technical problems 
they've always been fixed within 30 minutes. They do have telephone 
support though I've only needed to use it once - the other times I've 
used email (they have a support form on their web site in case the 
customer's problem is that their email has stopped working). They are 
not quite in the same league as some of the well-respected big timers 
such as Rackspace (who are good but are bloody expensive!) and I 
wouldn't host a high volume (bandwidth or disk capacity) site with them. 
However, they do have a good ?25/year hosting package will would 
probably suit you fine (I've got around 15 clients using it for things 
such as small business and schools). Domain names cost extra - currently 
?4.49/year for .co.uk or ?9.99 for .com - you can certainly find cheaper 
prices around than that but I find it convenient to use the same company 
for domain names and hosting (which avoids the hassle of transferring or 
forwarding the domain once purchased). PlugSocket have an online domain 
name checker so you can check which domains are available.

I did have some hosting with Heart Internet for a while 
(www.heartinternet.co.uk) - they seemed ok and, although I didn't make 
much use of their technical support, it seemed competent when I did. The 
only reason I moved my single host from them was that I upgraded my 
PlugSocket account from the ?25 starter to a Multi-5 account and moved 
the Heart hosting over onto PlugSocket for the sheer convenience of 
having everything in the same place.

I know you're not the first to ask these questions - I remember I and 
others answering a similar query a few months ago. Simon, maybe the NMUG 
site should have a new page which contains a list of hosting companies 
that NMUG members recommend (and a list of those to be avoided).

Hope that helps!

David


J L Duncan Bradford wrote:
> Having written several articles and technical help documents about  
> old Reliant cars over the years I'm thinking about putting them up on  
> a website which I can control, add to etc. as necessary.  I've played  
> with Freeway Pro a bit & think I can just about get my head around  
> the building & publishing of a site.  As a complete beginner though I  
> have no idea of what to do next.  I guess I need to obtain a domain  
> name and find a basic reasonably priced [or free?] host.  I wouldn't  
> mind adverts or whatever, to keep the cost down as this wouldn't be a  
> site to reflect the public face of my business, just a convenient  
> place where I can direct people to in order to read and download  
> anything I put up there.
> There are loads of things I guess I don't know/haven't thought about/ 
> am unaware of needing etc. but searching the internet has just  
> confused me, and lots of 'offers' are obviously too good to be true.
> The alternative is to pay good money to someone like Netcom who do an  
> excellent job for the Company I work for, but are probably a cut  
> above what I need, or can really afford.
> Any simple guidance, folks?
> Duncan
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   

From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Sat Oct 24 20:39:21 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 20:39:21 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] webhosting advice wanted
In-Reply-To: <4784968B-D3AB-42C6-B205-4825B4761CC4@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <C7091679.308C6%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

There are two Freewayers who also offer hosting:
http://www.have-host.com
http://www.ineedwebhosting.com



J L Duncan Bradford said recently:

> Having written several articles and technical help documents about
> old Reliant cars over the years I'm thinking about putting them up on
> a website which I can control, add to etc. as necessary.  I've played
> with Freeway Pro a bit & think I can just about get my head around
> the building & publishing of a site.  As a complete beginner though I
> have no idea of what to do next.  I guess I need to obtain a domain
> name and find a basic reasonably priced [or free?] host.  I wouldn't
> mind adverts or whatever, to keep the cost down as this wouldn't be a
> site to reflect the public face of my business, just a convenient
> place where I can direct people to in order to read and download
> anything I put up there.
> There are loads of things I guess I don't know/haven't thought about/
> am unaware of needing etc. but searching the internet has just
> confused me, and lots of 'offers' are obviously too good to be true.
> The alternative is to pay good money to someone like Netcom who do an
> excellent job for the Company I work for, but are probably a cut
> above what I need, or can really afford.
> Any simple guidance, folks?
> Duncan
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Sat Oct 24 20:55:23 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 20:55:23 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] webhosting advice wanted
In-Reply-To: <C7091679.308C6%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
Message-ID: <C7091A3B.308CA%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

Sorry I sent that too soon by mistake

http://www.ineedwebhosting.co.uk/
not com.

I have used these two for clients.

I myself use 
http://www.clook.info

But I have a feeling their doors are shut at present to new clients while
changes are being instigated.

You can use any of the domain providers just to buy the domain and then
point the nameservers to whatever the hosting company (you decide to
choose).
This is very simply done.

Generally I feel for the way that a company sets out their stall.
Funnily a lot of folk actually want to respond to things that I would run a
mile from. Not unlike Windows!

I personally hate companies that try and coerce sales.

all the best
Brian



Brian Steere said recently:

> There are two Freewayers who also offer hosting:
> http://www.have-host.com
> http://www.ineedwebhosting.com
> 
> 
> 
> J L Duncan Bradford said recently:
> 
>> Having written several articles and technical help documents about
>> old Reliant cars over the years I'm thinking about putting them up on
>> a website which I can control, add to etc. as necessary.  I've played
>> with Freeway Pro a bit & think I can just about get my head around
>> the building & publishing of a site.  As a complete beginner though I
>> have no idea of what to do next.  I guess I need to obtain a domain
>> name and find a basic reasonably priced [or free?] host.  I wouldn't
>> mind adverts or whatever, to keep the cost down as this wouldn't be a
>> site to reflect the public face of my business, just a convenient
>> place where I can direct people to in order to read and download
>> anything I put up there.
>> There are loads of things I guess I don't know/haven't thought about/
>> am unaware of needing etc. but searching the internet has just
>> confused me, and lots of 'offers' are obviously too good to be true.
>> The alternative is to pay good money to someone like Netcom who do an
>> excellent job for the Company I work for, but are probably a cut
>> above what I need, or can really afford.
>> Any simple guidance, folks?
>> Duncan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
>> Manage your subscription at:
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
> 
> 
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From penguinsplj at me.com  Sat Oct 24 21:49:21 2009
From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 21:49:21 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] October meeting
Message-ID: <0A133AFD-2538-4292-840C-12611FD0D148@me.com>

The next meeting will be on the 28th October 2009 that being the  
fourth Wednesday of the month. It will be held at The Quebec in a  
separate room from the bar and will be from 7.30.

Quebec
93-97 Quebec Road
Norwich
NR1 4HY

Here is a link to a map.

<http://www.ukpubfinder.com/pub/21675>

Don't forget to wear your new Chapelfield Apple Store t-shirts.

Paul C


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sat Oct 24 21:53:41 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 21:53:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] webhosting advice wanted
In-Reply-To: <4AE34C56.3000503@davidviner.com>
References: <4784968B-D3AB-42C6-B205-4825B4761CC4@ntlworld.com>
	<4AE34C56.3000503@davidviner.com>
Message-ID: <65B9FA1C-1C30-4EE0-AC79-577047E7D1AD@durrant.co.uk>

An excellent idea - at least the positive recommendations bit.  
Personal opinions on the list are fine, but I'd be unhappy about NMUG  
officially saying the members should avoid certain hosting companies.

regards,

Paul

On 24 Oct 2009, at 19:49, David Viner wrote:
> I know you're not the first to ask these questions - I remember I and
> others answering a similar query a few months ago. Simon, maybe the  
> NMUG
> site should have a new page which contains a list of hosting companies
> that NMUG members recommend (and a list of those to be avoided).


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sat Oct 24 21:57:09 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2009 21:57:09 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] October meeting
In-Reply-To: <0A133AFD-2538-4292-840C-12611FD0D148@me.com>
References: <0A133AFD-2538-4292-840C-12611FD0D148@me.com>
Message-ID: <42800EDC-F4C8-462E-A15A-1AF89C7B24A0@durrant.co.uk>

I'll be bringing along three ebook readers and a PDA: a Sony PRS-505,  
a Bookeen Cybook Gen 3, an Amazon Kindle (International) and a Sony  
Cli? SJ20.

They all work pretty well with my Mac, which is my excuse for bringing  
them.

Paul

On 24 Oct 2009, at 21:49, Paul Chapman wrote:

> The next meeting will be on the 28th October 2009 that being the
> fourth Wednesday of the month. It will be held at The Quebec in a
> separate room from the bar and will be from 7.30.


From kelvinyoungs at mac.com  Sun Oct 25 01:43:32 2009
From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 01:43:32 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] webhosting advice wanted
In-Reply-To: <65B9FA1C-1C30-4EE0-AC79-577047E7D1AD@durrant.co.uk>
References: <4784968B-D3AB-42C6-B205-4825B4761CC4@ntlworld.com>
	<4AE34C56.3000503@davidviner.com>
	<65B9FA1C-1C30-4EE0-AC79-577047E7D1AD@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <F2336210-7311-4E02-B8EF-9D0550E8B219@mac.com>

These are the business: http://www.littleoak.net

and Rapid weaver are the Mac people:
http://www.realmacsoftware.com/rapidweaver

Kelvin
http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com



From minkennison at mac.com  Sun Oct 25 06:10:11 2009
From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 07:10:11 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] October meeting
In-Reply-To: <0A133AFD-2538-4292-840C-12611FD0D148@me.com>
References: <0A133AFD-2538-4292-840C-12611FD0D148@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAA19450-8BD9-4E5A-90F9-5EFF3D90401E@mac.com>

Hi Paul

Apologies for non attendance.  It's a little bit too far to come this  
month - I'm in Malta!


Min
On 24 Oct 2009, at 22:4924 Oct 2009, Paul Chapman wrote:

> The next meeting will be on the 28th October 2009 that being the
> fourth Wednesday of the month. It will be held at The Quebec in a
> separate room from the bar and will be from 7.30.
>
> Quebec
> 93-97 Quebec Road
> Norwich
> NR1 4HY
>
> Here is a link to a map.
>
> <http://www.ukpubfinder.com/pub/21675>
>
> Don't forget to wear your new Chapelfield Apple Store t-shirts.
>
> Paul C
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


From minkennison at mac.com  Sun Oct 25 06:10:11 2009
From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 07:10:11 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] October meeting
In-Reply-To: <0A133AFD-2538-4292-840C-12611FD0D148@me.com>
References: <0A133AFD-2538-4292-840C-12611FD0D148@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAA19450-8BD9-4E5A-90F9-5EFF3D90401E@mac.com>

Hi Paul

Apologies for non attendance.  It's a little bit too far to come this  
month - I'm in Malta!


Min
On 24 Oct 2009, at 22:4924 Oct 2009, Paul Chapman wrote:

> The next meeting will be on the 28th October 2009 that being the
> fourth Wednesday of the month. It will be held at The Quebec in a
> separate room from the bar and will be from 7.30.
>
> Quebec
> 93-97 Quebec Road
> Norwich
> NR1 4HY
>
> Here is a link to a map.
>
> <http://www.ukpubfinder.com/pub/21675>
>
> Don't forget to wear your new Chapelfield Apple Store t-shirts.
>
> Paul C
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


From sc at davidviner.com  Sun Oct 25 10:17:02 2009
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:17:02 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] webhosting advice wanted
In-Reply-To: <F2336210-7311-4E02-B8EF-9D0550E8B219@mac.com>
References: <4784968B-D3AB-42C6-B205-4825B4761CC4@ntlworld.com>	<4AE34C56.3000503@davidviner.com>	<65B9FA1C-1C30-4EE0-AC79-577047E7D1AD@durrant.co.uk>
	<F2336210-7311-4E02-B8EF-9D0550E8B219@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4AE4259E.4060302@davidviner.com>


> These are the business: http://www.littleoak.net
>   

They may be good but a lot of their web site is almost unreadable with 
them using white text on a pale green background - what were they thinking?!

From sc at davidviner.com  Sun Oct 25 10:39:08 2009
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:39:08 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] webhosting advice wanted
In-Reply-To: <4AE4259E.4060302@davidviner.com>
References: <4784968B-D3AB-42C6-B205-4825B4761CC4@ntlworld.com>	<4AE34C56.3000503@davidviner.com>	<65B9FA1C-1C30-4EE0-AC79-577047E7D1AD@durrant.co.uk>	<F2336210-7311-4E02-B8EF-9D0550E8B219@mac.com>
	<4AE4259E.4060302@davidviner.com>
Message-ID: <4AE42ACC.8050703@davidviner.com>


>> These are the business: http://www.littleoak.net
>>   
>>     
>
> They may be good but a lot of their web site is almost unreadable with 
> them using white text on a pale green background - what were they thinking?!
>   


Ok, they are good - I told them about how unreadable their site was and 
they almost immediately replied:
/
David, you are perfectly right,
thanks for pointing that out.
The lack of a right contrast was due to the update we are making to the 
site for the season promotion that will start tomorrow.
During the year, when with a "normal" graphic, the text has a right 
contrast to keep readability to all visitors.

I fixed that, I hope you like it.

Please, don't hesitate to contact us if you should find any other bug. 
Your feedback is very appreciated.
/

That is a great response! They've really gone up in my estimation. 
Kelvin, thanks for bringing htem to our attention.

David




From jill at 2js.org  Sun Oct 25 10:41:55 2009
From: jill at 2js.org (Jill Searle)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:41:55 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] matching resolutions
Message-ID: <B0B3E3F1-5030-4E2D-A571-95589A55330F@2js.org>

Yet more advice please
I enjoyed using a Dell 1907FP  Monitor ( Matte screen because of  
window reflection & height adjustable) both with my macbook & imac,  
but it does not really work so well with my new macbook pro. Trying to  
match up the two resolutions it seems that I can either use a  
stretched resolution or have a space either side on the macbook!
I would like to find a replacement with at least a 1920x1200  to do  
the same job without spending a fortune, is that possible? Am I  
missing something? what is your advice?
Jill

From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sun Oct 25 11:04:12 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:04:12 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] matching resolutions
In-Reply-To: <B0B3E3F1-5030-4E2D-A571-95589A55330F@2js.org>
References: <B0B3E3F1-5030-4E2D-A571-95589A55330F@2js.org>
Message-ID: <A055535A-8F7E-4D71-A868-2D9E74625C38@durrant.co.uk>

Are you using the monitor to mirror the Mac Book pro's display? Why  
not use it as a second monitor - then your can set it to its native  
resolution.

But if you want a new monitor, this 24" model seems pretty good at  
?190.37 including the VAT:

http://www.dabs.com/products/lg-electronics-24--widescreen-w2452tx-5ms-dvi-lcd-tft-5JJF.html

regards

Paul

On 25 Oct 2009, at 10:41, Jill Searle wrote:

> Yet more advice please
> I enjoyed using a Dell 1907FP  Monitor ( Matte screen because of
> window reflection & height adjustable) both with my macbook & imac,
> but it does not really work so well with my new macbook pro. Trying to
> match up the two resolutions it seems that I can either use a
> stretched resolution or have a space either side on the macbook!
> I would like to find a replacement with at least a 1920x1200  to do
> the same job without spending a fortune, is that possible? Am I
> missing something? what is your advice?


From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Sun Oct 25 12:05:09 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:05:09 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] matching resolutions
In-Reply-To: <B0B3E3F1-5030-4E2D-A571-95589A55330F@2js.org>
References: <B0B3E3F1-5030-4E2D-A571-95589A55330F@2js.org>
Message-ID: <6628D8FF-EC34-4D2A-B155-A72840B03B45@gmail.com>

Hi, I was going to suggest running the external display with black  
bars at the top and bottom but the DELL monitor can only support up to  
1280x1024 (1280x800 widescreen) which does not meet your requirements  
so I guess the answer is to buy a new display.  Paul's suggestion  
seems to be about the best option in this price range, however, it's a  
glossy screen, finding a monitor with a matte screen is going to be  
difficult and cost you more.

Steve.


On 25 Oct 2009, at 10:41, Jill Searle wrote:

> Yet more advice please
> I enjoyed using a Dell 1907FP  Monitor ( Matte screen because of
> window reflection & height adjustable) both with my macbook & imac,
> but it does not really work so well with my new macbook pro. Trying to
> match up the two resolutions it seems that I can either use a
> stretched resolution or have a space either side on the macbook!
> I would like to find a replacement with at least a 1920x1200  to do
> the same job without spending a fortune, is that possible? Am I
> missing something? what is your advice?
> Jill


From jill at 2js.org  Sun Oct 25 12:15:44 2009
From: jill at 2js.org (Jill Searle)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:15:44 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] matching resolutions
Message-ID: <F4D41F69-4E88-48F2-B283-098DED1F0A0A@2js.org>

Thanks Paul the LG looks good. I use the monitor to extend my  
workspace not to mirror it. The max res for my monitor is 1280x1024 &  
I think it is a 16:10 size, so where it was perfectly matched  with  
the imac, text always seem to look different on each screen
Jill

From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk  Sun Oct 25 12:29:51 2009
From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:29:51 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Hebrew on a Mac
Message-ID: <903AE2E7-D7F2-453B-BE7B-FD1BF950A2F5@mendelsohn.me.uk>

Hi,

Can anyone help me?

A friend of mine is considering switching from a PC to  an iMac.  
Before doing so he is checking various things - one of them is the  
possibility of typing Hebrew on the Mac. He can do this with ease on  
his PC using Word.

I told him I would check this out on our Mac  - which now has Snow  
Leopard but I am not sure if I downloaded all the languages. I had a  
go this morning, but did not find it easy (using Word).  Is there a  
way of doing this and what do I have to do in order to be able to  
demonstrate this to him using our Mac?

Regards

Phyll

From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sun Oct 25 12:42:38 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 12:42:38 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] matching resolutions
In-Reply-To: <F4D41F69-4E88-48F2-B283-098DED1F0A0A@2js.org>
References: <F4D41F69-4E88-48F2-B283-098DED1F0A0A@2js.org>
Message-ID: <17F74C95-7DB2-4392-8F57-8744D08FDEFE@durrant.co.uk>

1280x1024 is 5:4, not 16:10.

The difference in text size is down to the different pixel sizes.  
Recent MacBook Pro 15" are 1440x900 and 15.4" diagonal, which works  
out at 110 ppi. For things to look the same size on your external  
screen, you'll need a monitor with a similar resolution,

The LG I mentioned is 24" diagonal and 1920x1200, which works out at  
just over 94ppi, so things will look bigger on it than on the MacBook  
Pro monitor.

The closest I could find in current monitors is a 1920x1080 monitor at  
21.5" diagonal. It's around 102ppi.

regards,

Paul


On 25 Oct 2009, at 12:15, Jill Searle wrote:

> Thanks Paul the LG looks good. I use the monitor to extend my
> workspace not to mirror it. The max res for my monitor is 1280x1024 &
> I think it is a 16:10 size, so where it was perfectly matched  with
> the imac, text always seem to look different on each screen


From david at vanedwards.co.uk  Sun Oct 25 13:19:28 2009
From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:19:28 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Hebrew on a Mac
In-Reply-To: <903AE2E7-D7F2-453B-BE7B-FD1BF950A2F5@mendelsohn.me.uk>
References: <903AE2E7-D7F2-453B-BE7B-FD1BF950A2F5@mendelsohn.me.uk>
Message-ID: <p06240800c709ffe26e85@[192.168.1.101]>

We think under system preferences the tab Language and Texts raises a 
dialogue box which doesn't show Hebrew but then you can add other 
languages and, among the various arabic scripts is what appears to my 
untrained eye to be Hebrew. Fairly near the bottom of a long 
scrolling list.

I've recently been trying to identify a Hebrew text in a painting so 
it's in my mind!

Best wishes,

David

>Hi,
>
>Can anyone help me?
>
>A friend of mine is considering switching from a PC to  an iMac. 
>Before doing so he is checking various things - one of them is the 
>possibility of typing Hebrew on the Mac. He can do this with ease on 
>his PC using Word.
>
>I told him I would check this out on our Mac  - which now has Snow 
>Leopard but I am not sure if I downloaded all the languages. I had a 
>go this morning, but did not find it easy (using Word).  Is there a 
>way of doing this and what do I have to do in order to be able to 
>demonstrate this to him using our Mac?
>
>Regards
>
>Phyll
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From penguinsplj at me.com  Sun Oct 25 13:21:46 2009
From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:21:46 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Hebrew on a Mac
In-Reply-To: <903AE2E7-D7F2-453B-BE7B-FD1BF950A2F5@mendelsohn.me.uk>
References: <903AE2E7-D7F2-453B-BE7B-FD1BF950A2F5@mendelsohn.me.uk>
Message-ID: <64C11BD5-19EA-4CF9-A007-D0E7115F1EFA@me.com>


On Oct 25, 2009, at 12:29, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote:

> I told him I would check this out on our Mac  - which now has Snow
> Leopard but I am not sure if I downloaded all the languages. I had a
> go this morning, but did not find it easy (using Word).  Is there a
> way of doing this and what do I have to do in order to be able to
> demonstrate this to him using our Mac?

I'm running 10.5.8 and experimented to see if it was in International  
and it is. To help go here which explains things:

http://www.dougshivers.com/mikhtav/osx.html

Paul C


From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk  Sun Oct 25 14:08:26 2009
From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 14:08:26 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Hebrew on a Mac
In-Reply-To: <64C11BD5-19EA-4CF9-A007-D0E7115F1EFA@me.com>
References: <903AE2E7-D7F2-453B-BE7B-FD1BF950A2F5@mendelsohn.me.uk>
	<64C11BD5-19EA-4CF9-A007-D0E7115F1EFA@me.com>
Message-ID: <52E175E6-964E-406C-BD0C-D8FF624BA36F@mendelsohn.me.uk>

Thank you Paul and David.

That website was good , but I have been unable to link this to  
Microsoft Office. I have emailed the link from the website and await   
Doug Shivers reply. I will keep you informed.

Phyll

On 25 Oct 2009, at 13:21, Paul Chapman wrote:

>
> On Oct 25, 2009, at 12:29, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote:
>
>> I told him I would check this out on our Mac  - which now has Snow
>> Leopard but I am not sure if I downloaded all the languages. I had a
>> go this morning, but did not find it easy (using Word).  Is there a
>> way of doing this and what do I have to do in order to be able to
>> demonstrate this to him using our Mac?
>
> I'm running 10.5.8 and experimented to see if it was in International
> and it is. To help go here which explains things:
>
> http://www.dougshivers.com/mikhtav/osx.html
>
> Paul C
>


From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk  Sun Oct 25 15:08:33 2009
From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:08:33 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Hebrew on a Mac
In-Reply-To: <52E175E6-964E-406C-BD0C-D8FF624BA36F@mendelsohn.me.uk>
References: <903AE2E7-D7F2-453B-BE7B-FD1BF950A2F5@mendelsohn.me.uk>
	<64C11BD5-19EA-4CF9-A007-D0E7115F1EFA@me.com>
	<52E175E6-964E-406C-BD0C-D8FF624BA36F@mendelsohn.me.uk>
Message-ID: <2AB29D04-69D4-447D-8E87-84D89652780D@mendelsohn.me.uk>

I have just picked up the following from Doug Shivers - a quick respone.

Never used Open Office, but will try and download it. Not sure if this  
will turn my friend off converting from a PC to a Mac!

regards

Phyll

Microsoft has never supported Hebrew on the Mac (they want people to  
use Windows). However, there are several good alternatives. Most  
people that use Hebrew a lot prefer Mellel, which costs $49 (or $35  
for the educational version). NeoOffice and Open Office are good free  
alternatives. They have a suite of applications that work just like  
Microsoft Office. Hebrew is easy to enter and you can save it as word  
document that people with PCs can open with no problem.Microsoft has  
never supported Hebrew on the Mac (they want people to use Windows).  
However, there are several good alternatives. Most people that use  
Hebrew a lot prefer Mellel, which costs $49 (or $35 for the  
educational version). NeoOffice and Open Office are good free  
alternatives. They have a suite of applications that work just like  
Microsoft Office. Hebrew is easy to enter and you can save it as word  
document that people with PCs can open with no problem.
On 25 Oct 2009, at 14:08, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote:

> Thank you Paul and David.
>
> That website was good , but I have been unable to link this to
> Microsoft Office. I have emailed the link from the website and await
> Doug Shivers reply. I will keep you informed.
>
> Phyll
>
> On 25 Oct 2009, at 13:21, Paul Chapman wrote:
>


From mercer at gotadsl.co.uk  Sun Oct 25 15:18:25 2009
From: mercer at gotadsl.co.uk (Valerie Mercer)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:18:25 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Hebrew on a Mac
In-Reply-To: <2AB29D04-69D4-447D-8E87-84D89652780D@mendelsohn.me.uk>
References: <903AE2E7-D7F2-453B-BE7B-FD1BF950A2F5@mendelsohn.me.uk>
	<64C11BD5-19EA-4CF9-A007-D0E7115F1EFA@me.com>
	<52E175E6-964E-406C-BD0C-D8FF624BA36F@mendelsohn.me.uk>
	<2AB29D04-69D4-447D-8E87-84D89652780D@mendelsohn.me.uk>
Message-ID: <6D0410B5-2822-419F-A5CC-A17B15D1DF26@gotadsl.co.uk>

I just selected Hebrew from the international menu, opened a blank  
word document, typed away and was rewarded with a whole lot of  
characters I couldn't read - so I assume it works.

Valerie

On 25 Oct 2009, at 15:08, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote:

I have just picked up the following from Doug Shivers - a quick respone.

Never used Open Office, but will try and download it. Not sure if this
will turn my friend off converting from a PC to a Mac!

regards

Phyll

Microsoft has never supported Hebrew on the Mac (they want people to
use Windows). However, there are several good alternatives. Most
people that use Hebrew a lot prefer Mellel, which costs $49 (or $35
for the educational version). NeoOffice and Open Office are good free
alternatives. They have a suite of applications that work just like
Microsoft Office. Hebrew is easy to enter and you can save it as word
document that people with PCs can open with no problem.Microsoft has
never supported Hebrew on the Mac (they want people to use Windows).
However, there are several good alternatives. Most people that use
Hebrew a lot prefer Mellel, which costs $49 (or $35 for the
educational version). NeoOffice and Open Office are good free
alternatives. They have a suite of applications that work just like
Microsoft Office. Hebrew is easy to enter and you can save it as word
document that people with PCs can open with no problem.
On 25 Oct 2009, at 14:08, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote:

> Thank you Paul and David.
>
> That website was good , but I have been unable to link this to
> Microsoft Office. I have emailed the link from the website and await
> Doug Shivers reply. I will keep you informed.
>
> Phyll
>
> On 25 Oct 2009, at 13:21, Paul Chapman wrote:
>

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From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk  Sun Oct 25 16:22:33 2009
From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 16:22:33 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Hebrew on a Mac
In-Reply-To: <6D0410B5-2822-419F-A5CC-A17B15D1DF26@gotadsl.co.uk>
References: <903AE2E7-D7F2-453B-BE7B-FD1BF950A2F5@mendelsohn.me.uk>
	<64C11BD5-19EA-4CF9-A007-D0E7115F1EFA@me.com>
	<52E175E6-964E-406C-BD0C-D8FF624BA36F@mendelsohn.me.uk>
	<2AB29D04-69D4-447D-8E87-84D89652780D@mendelsohn.me.uk>
	<6D0410B5-2822-419F-A5CC-A17B15D1DF26@gotadsl.co.uk>
Message-ID: <E94B999E-35F4-4FF0-9ABA-8302AF86DA03@mendelsohn.me.uk>

Thank you Valerie - i have just managed it!! I now have to work out  
how to type from right to left as in hebrew! I remember seeing this  
somewhere but can't remember where.

Phyll

On 25 Oct 2009, at 15:18, Valerie Mercer wrote:

> I just selected Hebrew from the international menu, opened a blank
> word document, typed away and was rewarded with a whole lot of
> characters I couldn't read - so I assume it works.
>
> Valerie
>


From mercer at gotadsl.co.uk  Sun Oct 25 17:27:08 2009
From: mercer at gotadsl.co.uk (Valerie Mercer)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:27:08 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Hebrew on a Mac
In-Reply-To: <E94B999E-35F4-4FF0-9ABA-8302AF86DA03@mendelsohn.me.uk>
References: <903AE2E7-D7F2-453B-BE7B-FD1BF950A2F5@mendelsohn.me.uk>
	<64C11BD5-19EA-4CF9-A007-D0E7115F1EFA@me.com>
	<52E175E6-964E-406C-BD0C-D8FF624BA36F@mendelsohn.me.uk>
	<2AB29D04-69D4-447D-8E87-84D89652780D@mendelsohn.me.uk>
	<6D0410B5-2822-419F-A5CC-A17B15D1DF26@gotadsl.co.uk>
	<E94B999E-35F4-4FF0-9ABA-8302AF86DA03@mendelsohn.me.uk>
Message-ID: <72995A88-74A3-4BA2-AB28-37FD49BFC84B@gotadsl.co.uk>

It seemed to do it automatically.
V
On 25 Oct 2009, at 16:22, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote:

Thank you Valerie - i have just managed it!! I now have to work out
how to type from right to left as in hebrew! I remember seeing this
somewhere but can't remember where.

Phyll

On 25 Oct 2009, at 15:18, Valerie Mercer wrote:

> I just selected Hebrew from the international menu, opened a blank
> word document, typed away and was rewarded with a whole lot of
> characters I couldn't read - so I assume it works.
>
> Valerie
>

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From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Sun Oct 25 17:53:49 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (Stefan Pietrzak Youngs)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 17:53:49 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Hebrew on a Mac
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1017.1256491630.111.nmug@nmug.org.uk>
References: <mailman.1017.1256491630.111.nmug@nmug.org.uk>
Message-ID: <BD59406F-2DB4-48DD-80DE-EF4E565CC0EF@gmail.com>


On 25 Oct 2009, at 17:27, nmug-request at nmug.org.uk wrote:

> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Hebrew on a Mac
>
> I just selected Hebrew from the international menu, opened a blank
> word document, typed away and was rewarded with a whole lot of
> characters I couldn't read - so I assume it works.


The Mac is the pre-eminent platform for fonts from everywhere and has  
always paid great attention to this issue.

As  a matter of fact, and a source of great pride to those from  
Naarwich, the font king at Apple is none other than my friend Peter  
Lofting, who is indeed a Naaarwich lad. He and I go to Burning Man in  
the Nevada desert where I last saw him bo*&ock naked on a penny  
farthing borrowed from a Cupertino bike shop and carried to the desert  
strapped to the top of Peter's 1961 Mini, crying "I am not a number. I  
am a free man!" A true eccentric character indeed in the finest  
traditions of the English.



From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com  Sun Oct 25 18:24:44 2009
From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 18:24:44 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] webhosting advice wanted
In-Reply-To: <4784968B-D3AB-42C6-B205-4825B4761CC4@ntlworld.com>
References: <4784968B-D3AB-42C6-B205-4825B4761CC4@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <5259D357-8FDE-4DA0-B242-EE0E331CBEFA@ruthmurray.f2s.com>

Had a bad experience with Streamline.net

They tempt you in with three 'free' months then slap you with the  
highest tarrif the minute this expires with no warning expires.

But it was "in the small print" they said.

So not even with the proverbial 40 foot bargepole.

Ruth



On 24 Oct 2009, at 17:47, J L Duncan Bradford wrote:

> Having written several articles and technical help documents about
> old Reliant cars over the years I'm thinking about putting them up on
> a website which I can control, add to etc. as necessary.  I've played
> with Freeway Pro a bit & think I can just about get my head around
> the building & publishing of a site.  As a complete beginner though I
> have no idea of what to do next.  I guess I need to obtain a domain
> name and find a basic reasonably priced [or free?] host.  I wouldn't
> mind adverts or whatever, to keep the cost down as this wouldn't be a
> site to reflect the public face of my business, just a convenient
> place where I can direct people to in order to read and download
> anything I put up there.
> There are loads of things I guess I don't know/haven't thought about/
> am unaware of needing etc. but searching the internet has just
> confused me, and lots of 'offers' are obviously too good to be true.
> The alternative is to pay good money to someone like Netcom who do an
> excellent job for the Company I work for, but are probably a cut
> above what I need, or can really afford.
> Any simple guidance, folks?
> Duncan
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Sun Oct 25 19:00:57 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:00:57 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] iBook going spare
Message-ID: <4AE4A069.6000409@stackyard.org>

Dear All,

Does anyone want a 12" white G3 iBook?  It has Tiger installed but needs 
updates.  It had a new hard disk installed a few years ago as the 
original one failed due to excessive heat (Apple designers seem 
convinced that electronics needs lots of heat to work properly).  
Details are:

Machine Name: iBook
      Machine Model: PowerBook4,1
      CPU Type: PowerPC 750  (33.11)
      Number Of CPUs: 1
      CPU Speed: 600 MHz
      L2 Cache (per CPU): 256 KB
      Memory: 384 MB
      Bus Speed: 100 MHz
      Boot ROM Version: 4.2.7f1
      Serial Number: UV2046BCMDW
      Sales Order Number: M8599B/C

It has an Airport adapter and a Fujitsu 60GB hard disk.  The DVD-ROM 
drive is slightly eccentric in that sometimes it falls open by itself 
and also sometimes refuses to open when asked.  The battery is past its 
best but can hold a charge for a while.  The power adapter works.  There 
are the disks that came with it including 10.1 and an upgrade to 10.2.  
There is no Tiger disk.

It's free to anyone who is either nearby (NR9 4RD) or can come and get it.

Ken





From penguinsplj at me.com  Sun Oct 25 19:23:58 2009
From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 19:23:58 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Interesting!!
Message-ID: <089EE6BE-ECD4-4F40-A942-0C1A127EF0F4@me.com>

I saw Ken's offer of an old iBook and wondered where he was so opened  
Google Earth to put in his post code. Whereas normally all the  
information and boxes are to the left of the main window this time  
they were to the right and much of the writing was in Hebrew! Teach me  
to tinker around with my settings to help others. The Union Flag was  
still showing on the top menu bar but I had altered the order in  
International>Language section of preferences and that change takes  
effect when you open a new application. Good job I did open GE as the  
next time I restarted the finder it would have been in Hebrew as well.

Paul C

From david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk  Sun Oct 25 20:28:55 2009
From: david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk (David Reynolds)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:28:55 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] webhosting advice wanted
In-Reply-To: <5259D357-8FDE-4DA0-B242-EE0E331CBEFA@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
References: <4784968B-D3AB-42C6-B205-4825B4761CC4@ntlworld.com>
	<5259D357-8FDE-4DA0-B242-EE0E331CBEFA@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
Message-ID: <715D155C-FF7C-4141-90B7-6EFB15A7217C@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>


On 25 Oct 2009, at 18:24, Ruth Murray wrote:

> Had a bad experience with Streamline.net
>
> They tempt you in with three 'free' months then slap you with the
> highest tarrif the minute this expires with no warning expires.
>
> But it was "in the small print" they said.
>
> So not even with the proverbial 40 foot bargepole.

I can recommend http://www.webfaction.com/ although I should mention  
that I work for them. However, I am also a very happy customer.

-- 
David Reynolds
david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk


From yahooist at anyisle.com  Sun Oct 25 21:51:39 2009
From: yahooist at anyisle.com (Neil S.)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:51:39 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Leopard v Snow Leopard
Message-ID: <B2DD160E-64E5-4A0F-959B-307F944AAB50@anyisle.com>

Hi Guys,

	Please excuse me if this has been discussed previously.

	To those that have gone from Leopard to Snow Leopard, have you seen a  
difference in tangible performance?

	Just wondered....

Regards....
Neil

--
Neil Stevens
Sent from my ? iMac G5




From yahooist at anyisle.com  Sun Oct 25 22:14:02 2009
From: yahooist at anyisle.com (Neil S.)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:14:02 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] iMac 27"
Message-ID: <4B96C81C-3562-40F9-9E64-0122B89FE016@anyisle.com>

Hi,

	Of late, I have enticed two good friends away from the dark side to  
soon-to-be on Macs. In doing so, it's got me looking at the current  
hardware line up and last week a new iMac 27" system was released. It  
looks fantastic.

	My 20" iMac G5, now on Leopard utilising Time Machine, is a lovely  
beast although it does seem to struggle sometimes especially with BBC  
iPlayer, but it never fails. I email, I browse, I edit photos, I use  
iTunes, and I Office (is that a verb). Nothing really heavy.

	I went into the Apple shop today - because now we can - and I played  
with the new iMac and the new Apple mouse. It's incredible. We have  
two long haired black cats and they keep nobbling my mighty mices but  
this new thing is awesome (I advise, this word is not used lightly by  
me). Best yet, it's included in the sale of a new iMac.

	Are there any other takers to the 27" iMac.

Regards...
Neil

--
Neil Stevens
Sent from my ? iMac G5




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Oct 25 22:33:46 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:33:46 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] iBook going spare
Message-ID: <pKXZRSc05nSq.hpm7wQbY@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Ken

I still love G3 machines and have been looking for an OS9 machine for a while. Might even run Ubuntu on it.

If you still have it I would love it.

Simon

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- original message -
Subject:	[NMUG] iBook going spare
From:	Ken Hamer <ken.hamer at stackyard.org>
Date:		25/10/2009 19:01

Dear All,

Does anyone want a 12" white G3 iBook?  It has Tiger installed but needs 
updates.  It had a new hard disk installed a few years ago as the 
original one failed due to excessive heat (Apple designers seem 
convinced that electronics needs lots of heat to work properly).  
Details are:

Machine Name: iBook
      Machine Model: PowerBook4,1
      CPU Type: PowerPC 750  (33.11)
      Number Of CPUs: 1
      CPU Speed: 600 MHz
      L2 Cache (per CPU): 256 KB
      Memory: 384 MB
      Bus Speed: 100 MHz
      Boot ROM Version: 4.2.7f1
      Serial Number: UV2046BCMDW
      Sales Order Number: M8599B/C

It has an Airport adapter and a Fujitsu 60GB hard disk.  The DVD-ROM 
drive is slightly eccentric in that sometimes it falls open by itself 
and also sometimes refuses to open when asked.  The battery is past its 
best but can hold a charge for a while.  The power adapter works.  There 
are the disks that came with it including 10.1 and an upgrade to 10.2.  
There is no Tiger disk.

It's free to anyone who is either nearby (NR9 4RD) or can come and get it.

Ken




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From mercer at gotadsl.co.uk  Sun Oct 25 23:11:31 2009
From: mercer at gotadsl.co.uk (Valerie Mercer)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2009 23:11:31 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Interesting!!
In-Reply-To: <089EE6BE-ECD4-4F40-A942-0C1A127EF0F4@me.com>
References: <089EE6BE-ECD4-4F40-A942-0C1A127EF0F4@me.com>
Message-ID: <21EE58CE-ADB4-4441-ADE7-40D1DEF3A317@gotadsl.co.uk>

Thank you for the warning!

Valerie
On 25 Oct 2009, at 19:23, Paul Chapman wrote:

I saw Ken's offer of an old iBook and wondered where he was so opened
Google Earth to put in his post code. Whereas normally all the
information and boxes are to the left of the main window this time
they were to the right and much of the writing was in Hebrew! Teach me
to tinker around with my settings to help others. The Union Flag was
still showing on the top menu bar but I had altered the order in
International>Language section of preferences and that change takes
effect when you open a new application. Good job I did open GE as the
next time I restarted the finder it would have been in Hebrew as well.

Paul C
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From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Mon Oct 26 08:08:37 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:08:37 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Leopard v Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <B2DD160E-64E5-4A0F-959B-307F944AAB50@anyisle.com>
References: <B2DD160E-64E5-4A0F-959B-307F944AAB50@anyisle.com>
Message-ID: <74DFD909-9B54-488E-AF01-29D03DA137E9@gmail.com>

Hi,
I haven't bothered running any specific tests to see if things are  
running faster but I've noticed a couple of things since installing SL

I'm running SL on a MacBook Pro, 2GB RAM.

It does seem to do more without needing to hit the hard drive as much,  
for example when using finder to browse folders in Leopard if the  
folder contained a lot of images or video it would take a good few  
seconds to retrieve all the file info and icons/thumbnails and the  
hard disk would be churning like mad trying to access all the data  
while in SL this has been improved and browsing directories is instant  
and with little hard drive access.  Another similar example is  
coverflow in iTunes on Leopard going in to coverflow usually takes a  
good few seconds to load all the cover art of music and as you scroll  
through the library it continues to churn the hard drive and access  
more cover art, in SL this is also instant.

Another thing I noticed is that while running Leopard I often got  
close to using the whole 2GB of ram and was on the verge of upgrading  
to 4GB but since the upgrade I've found that am not using as much RAM  
and so have put off buying a RAM upgrade until I actually need it.

Steve.


On 25 Oct 2009, at 21:51, Neil S. wrote:

> 	To those that have gone from Leopard to Snow Leopard, have you seen a
> difference in tangible performance?


From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk  Mon Oct 26 08:51:55 2009
From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:51:55 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Interesting!!
In-Reply-To: <21EE58CE-ADB4-4441-ADE7-40D1DEF3A317@gotadsl.co.uk>
References: <089EE6BE-ECD4-4F40-A942-0C1A127EF0F4@me.com>
	<21EE58CE-ADB4-4441-ADE7-40D1DEF3A317@gotadsl.co.uk>
Message-ID: <0B54D3E2-5665-46B6-B63B-B90D9E1B9850@mendelsohn.me.uk>

I'm sorry for causing a problem Paul. I will check my settings now.

Phyll


On 25 Oct 2009, at 23:11, Valerie Mercer wrote:

> Thank you for the warning!
>
> Valerie
> On 25 Oct 2009, at 19:23, Paul Chapman wrote:
>
> I saw Ken's offer of an old iBook and wondered where he was so opened
> Google Earth to put in his post code. Whereas normally all the
> information and boxes are to the left of the main window this time
> they were to the right and much of the writing was in Hebrew! Teach me
> to tinker around with my settings to help others. The Union Flag was
> still showing on the top menu bar but I had altered the order in
> International>Language section of preferences and that change takes
> effect when you open a new application. Good job I did open GE as the
> next time I restarted the finder it would have been in Hebrew as well.
>
> Paul C
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From fowler.j at mac.com  Mon Oct 26 09:06:53 2009
From: fowler.j at mac.com (Jonathan Fowler)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:06:53 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Clearance iMac
In-Reply-To: <21EE58CE-ADB4-4441-ADE7-40D1DEF3A317@gotadsl.co.uk>
References: <089EE6BE-ECD4-4F40-A942-0C1A127EF0F4@me.com>
	<21EE58CE-ADB4-4441-ADE7-40D1DEF3A317@gotadsl.co.uk>
Message-ID: <E412008B-BF36-42AE-82CD-897E6E2289DB@mac.com>

Hi all

As we know apple have once again raised the bar with their new iMac  
range, which look amazing!

However, on the back of that, I have been left with stock of the  
previous range. This has lead to some awesome clearance pricing, if  
anyone is interested.

20" iMac ?949 - now ?799
24" iMac ?1199 - now ?1049
24" iMac ?1499 - now ?1199
24" iMac ?1799 - now ?1299

If anybody is interested, or would like more detailed specifications  
please don't hesitate to call me.

Jon Fowler
Apple Solutions Consultant
07894949043
Fowler.j at euro.apple.com

Sent from my iPhone

On 25 Oct 2009, at 23:11, Valerie Mercer <mercer at gotadsl.co.uk> wrote:

> Thank you for the warning!
>
> Valerie
> On 25 Oct 2009, at 19:23, Paul Chapman wrote:
>
> I saw Ken's offer of an old iBook and wondered where he was so opened
> Google Earth to put in his post code. Whereas normally all the
> information and boxes are to the left of the main window this time
> they were to the right and much of the writing was in Hebrew! Teach me
> to tinker around with my settings to help others. The Union Flag was
> still showing on the top menu bar but I had altered the order in
> International>Language section of preferences and that change takes
> effect when you open a new application. Good job I did open GE as the
> next time I restarted the finder it would have been in Hebrew as well.
>
> Paul C
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From allanmacam at me.com  Mon Oct 26 09:12:37 2009
From: allanmacam at me.com (Allan)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:12:37 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Clearance iMac
In-Reply-To: <E412008B-BF36-42AE-82CD-897E6E2289DB@mac.com>
References: <089EE6BE-ECD4-4F40-A942-0C1A127EF0F4@me.com>
	<21EE58CE-ADB4-4441-ADE7-40D1DEF3A317@gotadsl.co.uk>
	<E412008B-BF36-42AE-82CD-897E6E2289DB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <2028310E-B2DE-4681-803E-34628B34ED50@me.com>

Hi Jon,

Could you send me more details/specs on these two machine? I know  
somebody in the market for a new Mac.

> 24" iMac ?1499 - now ?1199
> 24" iMac ?1799 - now ?1299

Thanks.

Allan Johns.

On 26 Oct 2009, at 09:06, Jonathan Fowler wrote:

> Hi all
>
> As we know apple have once again raised the bar with their new iMac
> range, which look amazing!
>
> However, on the back of that, I have been left with stock of the
> previous range. This has lead to some awesome clearance pricing, if
> anyone is interested.
>
> 20" iMac ?949 - now ?799
> 24" iMac ?1199 - now ?1049
> 24" iMac ?1499 - now ?1199
> 24" iMac ?1799 - now ?1299
>
> If anybody is interested, or would like more detailed specifications
> please don't hesitate to call me.
>
> Jon Fowler
> Apple Solutions Consultant
> 07894949043
> Fowler.j at euro.apple.com
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 25 Oct 2009, at 23:11, Valerie Mercer <mercer at gotadsl.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Thank you for the warning!
>>
>> Valerie
>> On 25 Oct 2009, at 19:23, Paul Chapman wrote:
>>
>> I saw Ken's offer of an old iBook and wondered where he was so opened
>> Google Earth to put in his post code. Whereas normally all the
>> information and boxes are to the left of the main window this time
>> they were to the right and much of the writing was in Hebrew! Teach  
>> me
>> to tinker around with my settings to help others. The Union Flag was
>> still showing on the top menu bar but I had altered the order in
>> International>Language section of preferences and that change takes
>> effect when you open a new application. Good job I did open GE as the
>> next time I restarted the finder it would have been in Hebrew as  
>> well.
>>
>> Paul C
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Oct 26 09:45:40 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:45:40 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Clearance iMac
In-Reply-To: <2028310E-B2DE-4681-803E-34628B34ED50@me.com>
References: <089EE6BE-ECD4-4F40-A942-0C1A127EF0F4@me.com>
	<21EE58CE-ADB4-4441-ADE7-40D1DEF3A317@gotadsl.co.uk>
	<E412008B-BF36-42AE-82CD-897E6E2289DB@mac.com>
	<2028310E-B2DE-4681-803E-34628B34ED50@me.com>
Message-ID: <C3B82DF1-7F11-4453-BFE8-813F62F9C72B@durrant.co.uk>

Old ?1499 model: 2.93GHz, 4GB memory, 640GB hard drive, NVIDIA GeForce  
120/256MB.
Old ?1799 model: 3.06GHz, 4GB memory, 1TB hard drive, NVIDIA GeForce  
130/512MB

Both with usual port - Firewire 800, USB 2.0, mini DisplayPort, audio  
in, audio out
Maximum RAM 8GB, not the 16GB with the new models.

Sorry Jon, but unless they particularly want the 24" display, I think  
the new upper end 21.5" model is better at ?1199, and the new low end  
27" model, at just ?50 more, is better than the ?1299 one.

The new iMac models are really very much cheaper than the old ones at  
the high end.

But the 20" and low end 24" discounted models Jon's offering look  
interesting for those on a tight budget.

regards,

Paul

On 26 Oct 2009, at 09:12, Allan wrote:
> Could you send me more details/specs on these two machine? I know
> somebody in the market for a new Mac.
>
>> 24" iMac ?1499 - now ?1199
>> 24" iMac ?1799 - now ?1299
>


From penguinsplj at me.com  Mon Oct 26 10:39:09 2009
From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:39:09 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Interesting!!
In-Reply-To: <0B54D3E2-5665-46B6-B63B-B90D9E1B9850@mendelsohn.me.uk>
References: <089EE6BE-ECD4-4F40-A942-0C1A127EF0F4@me.com>
	<21EE58CE-ADB4-4441-ADE7-40D1DEF3A317@gotadsl.co.uk>
	<0B54D3E2-5665-46B6-B63B-B90D9E1B9850@mendelsohn.me.uk>
Message-ID: <19EE0F8D-4DE6-429B-957C-B90ACF03F9F8@me.com>


On Oct 26, 2009, at 08:51, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote:

> I'm sorry for causing a problem Paul. I will check my settings now.

No problems, it was quite funny really.

Paul C

From ian at igdesign.co.uk  Mon Oct 26 10:53:16 2009
From: ian at igdesign.co.uk (Ian Garrett)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:53:16 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Virus Infostealer.Banker.C on fake DHL email
Message-ID: <1F647F5D-CF02-4EAE-BFC3-85B95A98F57F@igdesign.co.uk>

Dear All,

One advantage of using a Mac is that it requires extra effort to open  
a .exe file! I've just had an email claiming to be from DHL about a  
package they wanted to deliver etc etc, with a .zip attachment that  
purported to be a label and which expanded to an .exe file. As it  
happens, I'm expect a delivery which might well come by DHL. But  
checking on the DHL web site <http://www.dhl-usa.com> turned up a  
warning (posted on 20 September). In case anyone hasn't seen this  
already - beware!

Regards,
Ian

From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Oct 26 11:09:24 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:09:24 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Virus Infostealer.Banker.C on fake DHL email
Message-ID: <KZp03LXwy4Ps.DFvbjdSN@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

A similar fake message was going around for FedEx a few weeks ago.

Simon 

--- visit http://www.simonroyal.co.uk (sent using Nokia E65)

- original message -
Subject:	[NMUG] Virus Infostealer.Banker.C on fake DHL email
From:	Ian Garrett <ian at igdesign.co.uk>
Date:		26/10/2009 10:53

Dear All,

One advantage of using a Mac is that it requires extra effort to open  
a .exe file! I've just had an email claiming to be from DHL about a  
package they wanted to deliver etc etc, with a .zip attachment that  
purported to be a label and which expanded to an .exe file. As it  
happens, I'm expect a delivery which might well come by DHL. But  
checking on the DHL web site <http://www.dhl-usa.com> turned up a  
warning (posted on 20 September). In case anyone hasn't seen this  
already - beware!

Regards,
Ian
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From sc at davidviner.com  Mon Oct 26 11:25:52 2009
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:25:52 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Clearance iMac
In-Reply-To: <C3B82DF1-7F11-4453-BFE8-813F62F9C72B@durrant.co.uk>
References: <089EE6BE-ECD4-4F40-A942-0C1A127EF0F4@me.com>	<21EE58CE-ADB4-4441-ADE7-40D1DEF3A317@gotadsl.co.uk>	<E412008B-BF36-42AE-82CD-897E6E2289DB@mac.com>	<2028310E-B2DE-4681-803E-34628B34ED50@me.com>
	<C3B82DF1-7F11-4453-BFE8-813F62F9C72B@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4AE58740.4080409@davidviner.com>


> Sorry Jon, but unless they particularly want the 24" display, I think  
> the new upper end 21.5" model is better at ?1199, and the new low end  
> 27" model, at just ?50 more, is better than the ?1299 one.
>
> The new iMac models are really very much cheaper than the old ones at  
> the high end.
>
> But the 20" and low end 24" discounted models Jon's offering look  
> interesting for those on a tight budget.
>   

My old G4 Macs are both getting long in the tooth (450MHz tower + 800MHz 
eMac) so I've been thinking it was about time to get an Intel Mac of 
some sort and have been watching out for the recons at the applet store. 
I was initially tempted by Jon's 20" (oo-err, that doesn't sound right!) 
but what you get for an extra ?150 for the newer version seems more than 
worth it. If the old 20" was more like ?650 I'd jump at it!

David


From fowler.j at mac.com  Mon Oct 26 11:38:03 2009
From: fowler.j at mac.com (Jonathan Fowler)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:38:03 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Clearance iMac
In-Reply-To: <4AE58740.4080409@davidviner.com>
References: <089EE6BE-ECD4-4F40-A942-0C1A127EF0F4@me.com>
	<21EE58CE-ADB4-4441-ADE7-40D1DEF3A317@gotadsl.co.uk>
	<E412008B-BF36-42AE-82CD-897E6E2289DB@mac.com>
	<2028310E-B2DE-4681-803E-34628B34ED50@me.com>
	<C3B82DF1-7F11-4453-BFE8-813F62F9C72B@durrant.co.uk>
	<4AE58740.4080409@davidviner.com>
Message-ID: <DB0F4C18-5BA5-4AF2-865C-972D6F987895@mac.com>

I do have stock of the new models too!

Jon

Sent from my iPhone

On 26 Oct 2009, at 11:25, David Viner <sc at davidviner.com> wrote:

>
>> Sorry Jon, but unless they particularly want the 24" display, I think
>> the new upper end 21.5" model is better at ?1199, and the new low  
>> end
>> 27" model, at just ?50 more, is better than the ?1299 one.
>>
>> The new iMac models are really very much cheaper than the old ones at
>> the high end.
>>
>> But the 20" and low end 24" discounted models Jon's offering look
>> interesting for those on a tight budget.
>>
>
> My old G4 Macs are both getting long in the tooth (450MHz tower +  
> 800MHz
> eMac) so I've been thinking it was about time to get an Intel Mac of
> some sort and have been watching out for the recons at the applet  
> store.
> I was initially tempted by Jon's 20" (oo-err, that doesn't sound  
> right!)
> but what you get for an extra ?150 for the newer version seems more  
> than
> worth it. If the old 20" was more like ?650 I'd jump at it!
>
> David
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Oct 26 11:46:41 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:46:41 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Clearance iMac
In-Reply-To: <4AE58740.4080409@davidviner.com>
References: <089EE6BE-ECD4-4F40-A942-0C1A127EF0F4@me.com>	<21EE58CE-ADB4-4441-ADE7-40D1DEF3A317@gotadsl.co.uk>	<E412008B-BF36-42AE-82CD-897E6E2289DB@mac.com>	<2028310E-B2DE-4681-803E-34628B34ED50@me.com>
	<C3B82DF1-7F11-4453-BFE8-813F62F9C72B@durrant.co.uk>
	<4AE58740.4080409@davidviner.com>
Message-ID: <ADEBA113-7BF0-4D45-BEB1-92E1A3FF3DC5@durrant.co.uk>

This is how Apple now tempt you into spending more than you  
intended... lots of models in a rational range, each one just a little  
more then the cheaper one, but worth the difference...

:-)

Paul

On 26 Oct 2009, at 11:25, David Viner wrote:
> but what you get for an extra ?150 for the newer version seems more  
> than
> worth it.

From sc at davidviner.com  Mon Oct 26 11:49:33 2009
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:49:33 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Clearance iMac
In-Reply-To: <ADEBA113-7BF0-4D45-BEB1-92E1A3FF3DC5@durrant.co.uk>
References: <089EE6BE-ECD4-4F40-A942-0C1A127EF0F4@me.com>	<21EE58CE-ADB4-4441-ADE7-40D1DEF3A317@gotadsl.co.uk>	<E412008B-BF36-42AE-82CD-897E6E2289DB@mac.com>	<2028310E-B2DE-4681-803E-34628B34ED50@me.com>	<C3B82DF1-7F11-4453-BFE8-813F62F9C72B@durrant.co.uk>	<4AE58740.4080409@davidviner.com>
	<ADEBA113-7BF0-4D45-BEB1-92E1A3FF3DC5@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4AE58CCD.5060401@davidviner.com>

Yes, I know - and then their online configuration thingy makes you spend 
even more! The bastards!!!

Paul Durrant wrote:
> This is how Apple now tempt you into spending more than you  
> intended... lots of models in a rational range, each one just a little  
> more then the cheaper one, but worth the difference...
>
> :-)
>
> Paul
>
> On 26 Oct 2009, at 11:25, David Viner wrote:
>   
>> but what you get for an extra ?150 for the newer version seems more  
>> than
>> worth it.
>>     
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From steve.forst at virgin.net  Mon Oct 26 10:53:17 2009
From: steve.forst at virgin.net (Steve Forster)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 11:53:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Virus Infostealer.Banker.C on fake DHL email
In-Reply-To: <1F647F5D-CF02-4EAE-BFC3-85B95A98F57F@igdesign.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C70B3E2D.1E282%steve.forst@virgin.net>

I had one of these a couple of months back. As I use DHL to send things it
got as close as anything ever has to making me believe it was genuine until
I noticed that it was sent to one of my addresses that DHL could not know.

S


From: Ian Garrett <ian at igdesign.co.uk>
Reply-To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at nmug.org.uk>
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 10:53:16 +0000
To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at nmug.org.uk>
Subject: [NMUG] Virus Infostealer.Banker.C on fake DHL email

Dear All,

One advantage of using a Mac is that it requires extra effort to open
a .exe file! I've just had an email claiming to be from DHL about a
package they wanted to deliver etc etc, with a .zip attachment that
purported to be a label and which expanded to an .exe file. As it
happens, I'm expect a delivery which might well come by DHL. But
checking on the DHL web site <http://www.dhl-usa.com> turned up a
warning (posted on 20 September). In case anyone hasn't seen this
already - beware!

Regards,
Ian
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From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Mon Oct 26 12:33:07 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (Stefan Pietrzak Youngs)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:33:07 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Virus Infostealer.Banker.C on fake DHL email; Mac too
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1034.1256558000.111.nmug@nmug.org.uk>
References: <mailman.1034.1256558000.111.nmug@nmug.org.uk>
Message-ID: <03162886-E4F2-4118-A471-09D066690F05@gmail.com>


On 26 Oct 2009, at 11:53, nmug-request at nmug.org.uk wrote:

> Subject:	[NMUG] Virus Infostealer.Banker.C on fake DHL email
> From:	Ian Garrett <ian at igdesign.co.uk>
> Date:		26/10/2009 10:53
>
> Dear All,
>
> One advantage of using a Mac is that it requires extra effort to open
> a .exe file! I've just had an email claiming to be from DHL about a
> package they wanted to deliver etc etc, with a .zip attachment that
> purported to be a label and which expanded to an .exe file.


This trick would catch the unwary, but a moment's thought would remind  
you .exe is a PROGRAM

Why  would someone send you a label as  a program?? Caveat!!

This trick would be just as easy on a Mac, in one way easier. For most  
us, I wager, do not invoke the Finder preference to append a suffix to  
every file, thus applications just appear as their name without  
the .app suffix. For us therefore we would not even get the  
warning .exe provides and it's probably therefore more likely one  
would just click the attachment  without thinking. And since most of  
don't run anti-virus software routinely, we would probably not catch  
the installation of a keystroke recorder and a phone-home routine  
(Little Snitch would catch that however) and before you knew where you  
were, all your money would be in Leningrad via  Costa Rica.

Or have I missed something?



From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Mon Oct 26 13:03:05 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:03:05 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Virus Infostealer.Banker.C on fake DHL email; Mac too
In-Reply-To: <03162886-E4F2-4118-A471-09D066690F05@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1034.1256558000.111.nmug@nmug.org.uk>
	<03162886-E4F2-4118-A471-09D066690F05@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <63C73C0C-A73C-4272-90FA-633047AD6D63@gmail.com>

Hi,

OS X (10.5 & later) will quarantine executables and scripts downloaded  
(regardless of the file extension) and prompt you to confirm before  
running them.

More info:  <https://support.apple.com/kb/HT2128>

Steve.


On 26 Oct 2009, at 12:33, Stefan Pietrzak Youngs wrote:

> This trick would be just as easy on a Mac, in one way easier. For most
> us, I wager, do not invoke the Finder preference to append a suffix to
> every file, thus applications just appear as their name without
> the .app suffix. For us therefore we would not even get the
> warning .exe provides and it's probably therefore more likely one
> would just click the attachment  without thinking. And since most of
> don't run anti-virus software routinely, we would probably not catch
> the installation of a keystroke recorder and a phone-home routine
> (Little Snitch would catch that however) and before you knew where you
> were, all your money would be in Leningrad via  Costa Rica.
>
> Or have I missed something?


From ian at igdesign.co.uk  Mon Oct 26 13:05:08 2009
From: ian at igdesign.co.uk (Ian Garrett)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:05:08 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Virus Infostealer.Banker.C on fake DHL email; Mac too
In-Reply-To: <03162886-E4F2-4118-A471-09D066690F05@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1034.1256558000.111.nmug@nmug.org.uk>
	<03162886-E4F2-4118-A471-09D066690F05@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EAD26CB7-2461-4E09-AE0A-87E0B4D2A152@igdesign.co.uk>

Yes, I was suspicious when I saw that the label was executable!

I get a warning message every time I try to launch an app downloaded  
from the net. Does anyone know if it's possible to turn this off for  
trusted apps, like AppKiDo which I use quite a bit?

Ah, just got Steve Batch's email. Thanks Steve, the link you sent may  
answer my question.

Regards,
Ian



On 26 Oct , at Mon 26 Oct 2009, 12:33:07, Stefan Pietrzak Youngs wrote:

>
> On 26 Oct 2009, at 11:53, nmug-request at nmug.org.uk wrote:
>
>> Subject:	[NMUG] Virus Infostealer.Banker.C on fake DHL email
>> From:	Ian Garrett <ian at igdesign.co.uk>
>> Date:		26/10/2009 10:53
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> One advantage of using a Mac is that it requires extra effort to open
>> a .exe file! I've just had an email claiming to be from DHL about a
>> package they wanted to deliver etc etc, with a .zip attachment that
>> purported to be a label and which expanded to an .exe file.
>
>
> This trick would catch the unwary, but a moment's thought would remind
> you .exe is a PROGRAM
>
> Why  would someone send you a label as  a program?? Caveat!!
>
> This trick would be just as easy on a Mac, in one way easier. For most
> us, I wager, do not invoke the Finder preference to append a suffix to
> every file, thus applications just appear as their name without
> the .app suffix. For us therefore we would not even get the
> warning .exe provides and it's probably therefore more likely one
> would just click the attachment  without thinking. And since most of
> don't run anti-virus software routinely, we would probably not catch
> the installation of a keystroke recorder and a phone-home routine
> (Little Snitch would catch that however) and before you knew where you
> were, all your money would be in Leningrad via  Costa Rica.
>
> Or have I missed something?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
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From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com  Mon Oct 26 13:07:00 2009
From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:07:00 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Virus Infostealer.Banker.C on fake DHL email; Mac too
In-Reply-To: <03162886-E4F2-4118-A471-09D066690F05@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1034.1256558000.111.nmug@nmug.org.uk>
	<03162886-E4F2-4118-A471-09D066690F05@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <280739B0-2C73-4D4E-9578-0F1A8D08C164@ntlworld.com>

Have i missed something, but is .exe a windows program? so how easy  
would that be to install on a Mac without you knowing.
(New to Mac's)

On 26 Oct 2009, at 12:33, Stefan Pietrzak Youngs wrote:

>
> On 26 Oct 2009, at 11:53, nmug-request at nmug.org.uk wrote:
>
>> Subject:	[NMUG] Virus Infostealer.Banker.C on fake DHL email
>> From:	Ian Garrett <ian at igdesign.co.uk>
>> Date:		26/10/2009 10:53
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> One advantage of using a Mac is that it requires extra effort to open
>> a .exe file! I've just had an email claiming to be from DHL about a
>> package they wanted to deliver etc etc, with a .zip attachment that
>> purported to be a label and which expanded to an .exe file.
>
>
> This trick would catch the unwary, but a moment's thought would remind
> you .exe is a PROGRAM
>
> Why  would someone send you a label as  a program?? Caveat!!
>
> This trick would be just as easy on a Mac, in one way easier. For most
> us, I wager, do not invoke the Finder preference to append a suffix to
> every file, thus applications just appear as their name without
> the .app suffix. For us therefore we would not even get the
> warning .exe provides and it's probably therefore more likely one
> would just click the attachment  without thinking. And since most of
> don't run anti-virus software routinely, we would probably not catch
> the installation of a keystroke recorder and a phone-home routine
> (Little Snitch would catch that however) and before you knew where you
> were, all your money would be in Leningrad via  Costa Rica.
>
> Or have I missed something?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
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From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Mon Oct 26 13:11:43 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:11:43 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Virus Infostealer.Banker.C on fake DHL email; Mac too
In-Reply-To: <EAD26CB7-2461-4E09-AE0A-87E0B4D2A152@igdesign.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1034.1256558000.111.nmug@nmug.org.uk>
	<03162886-E4F2-4118-A471-09D066690F05@gmail.com>
	<EAD26CB7-2461-4E09-AE0A-87E0B4D2A152@igdesign.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DDA739D4-5F85-450B-A6E0-1C0ECDA478FE@gmail.com>

Hi Ian,

You can disable the warning message but I don't recommend it.

Here's how:  <http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20071029151619619 
 >

Steve.

On 26 Oct 2009, at 13:05, Ian Garrett wrote:

> I get a warning message every time I try to launch an app downloaded
> from the net. Does anyone know if it's possible to turn this off for
> trusted apps, like AppKiDo which I use quite a bit?


From ian at igdesign.co.uk  Mon Oct 26 13:23:24 2009
From: ian at igdesign.co.uk (Ian Garrett)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:23:24 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Virus Infostealer.Banker.C on fake DHL email; Mac too
In-Reply-To: <DDA739D4-5F85-450B-A6E0-1C0ECDA478FE@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1034.1256558000.111.nmug@nmug.org.uk>
	<03162886-E4F2-4118-A471-09D066690F05@gmail.com>
	<EAD26CB7-2461-4E09-AE0A-87E0B4D2A152@igdesign.co.uk>
	<DDA739D4-5F85-450B-A6E0-1C0ECDA478FE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <311BEAE0-620D-442D-80D4-651C1CD3195B@igdesign.co.uk>

Thanks Steve. That looks like something I can cope with. If I put a  
trusted app in a separate folder in my Applications folder and attach  
the script to the folder, I assume other downloaded apps will still be  
quarantined.

Regards,
Ian


On 26 Oct , at Mon 26 Oct 2009, 01:11:43, Steve Batch wrote:

> Hi Ian,
>
> You can disable the warning message but I don't recommend it.
>
> Here's how:  <http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20071029151619619
>>
>
> Steve.
>
> On 26 Oct 2009, at 13:05, Ian Garrett wrote:
>
>> I get a warning message every time I try to launch an app downloaded
>> from the net. Does anyone know if it's possible to turn this off for
>> trusted apps, like AppKiDo which I use quite a bit?
>
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From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Mon Oct 26 13:26:13 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:26:13 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Virus Infostealer.Banker.C on fake DHL email; Mac too
In-Reply-To: <280739B0-2C73-4D4E-9578-0F1A8D08C164@ntlworld.com>
References: <mailman.1034.1256558000.111.nmug@nmug.org.uk>
	<03162886-E4F2-4118-A471-09D066690F05@gmail.com>
	<280739B0-2C73-4D4E-9578-0F1A8D08C164@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <3EB24228-EBF4-46E1-9FA0-5FF1540E99FF@gmail.com>


Hi Kerin,

If you have Parallels desktop for Mac you could in theory accidentally  
open a malicious windows executable from Finder and it would infect  
the Parallels desktop but this is isolated from your actual Mac OS and  
applications so no harm can be done to your Mac.

Steve.


On 26 Oct 2009, at 13:07, Kerin Westgate wrote:

> Have i missed something, but is .exe a windows program? so how easy
> would that be to install on a Mac without you knowing.
> (New to Mac's)


From ian at igdesign.co.uk  Mon Oct 26 13:29:09 2009
From: ian at igdesign.co.uk (Ian Garrett)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:29:09 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Virus Infostealer.Banker.C on fake DHL email; Mac too
In-Reply-To: <280739B0-2C73-4D4E-9578-0F1A8D08C164@ntlworld.com>
References: <mailman.1034.1256558000.111.nmug@nmug.org.uk>
	<03162886-E4F2-4118-A471-09D066690F05@gmail.com>
	<280739B0-2C73-4D4E-9578-0F1A8D08C164@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <B9E8A576-826C-4751-AA47-0373AA75852F@igdesign.co.uk>

Not easy. You'd need to run Parallels or similar, transfer the .exe  
file to the Windows file system, and run it from there. Or you'd have  
to be receiving emails in Windows. And you'd have to believe that  
the .exe file really was something you needed to open.


On 26 Oct , at Mon 26 Oct 2009, 01:07:00, Kerin Westgate wrote:

> Have i missed something, but is .exe a windows program? so how easy
> would that be to install on a Mac without you knowing.
> (New to Mac's)
>
> On 26 Oct 2009, at 12:33, Stefan Pietrzak Youngs wrote:
>
>>
>> On 26 Oct 2009, at 11:53, nmug-request at nmug.org.uk wrote:
>>
>>> Subject:	[NMUG] Virus Infostealer.Banker.C on fake DHL email
>>> From:	Ian Garrett <ian at igdesign.co.uk>
>>> Date:		26/10/2009 10:53
>>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> One advantage of using a Mac is that it requires extra effort to  
>>> open
>>> a .exe file! I've just had an email claiming to be from DHL about a
>>> package they wanted to deliver etc etc, with a .zip attachment that
>>> purported to be a label and which expanded to an .exe file.
>>
>>
>> This trick would catch the unwary, but a moment's thought would  
>> remind
>> you .exe is a PROGRAM
>>
>> Why  would someone send you a label as  a program?? Caveat!!
>>
>> This trick would be just as easy on a Mac, in one way easier. For  
>> most
>> us, I wager, do not invoke the Finder preference to append a suffix  
>> to
>> every file, thus applications just appear as their name without
>> the .app suffix. For us therefore we would not even get the
>> warning .exe provides and it's probably therefore more likely one
>> would just click the attachment  without thinking. And since most of
>> don't run anti-virus software routinely, we would probably not catch
>> the installation of a keystroke recorder and a phone-home routine
>> (Little Snitch would catch that however) and before you knew where  
>> you
>> were, all your money would be in Leningrad via  Costa Rica.
>>
>> Or have I missed something?
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Oct 26 14:09:37 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:09:37 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Pictures For Commercial Use
Message-ID: <fFg94TJqpjWW.vJ1vp0F5@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Being a former publisher and designer I know the importance of good images. Clients dont always supply good images or ones suitable for print.

Photo libraries are expensive and free ones are usually rubbish or not for commercial use any way.

I was wondering the legality of using or offering your own images. I know there are a number of photographers in the group.

Where do you stand when it comes to images you take yourself. I have just been to Cheshire and the Peak District over the weekend and the views are marvellous. I snapped away frantically on a reasonably high specced camera.

I was going to offer these and other photos I have taken for people to use freely with only a mention back to myself.

However some of the images taken are of other peoples property or land and wondered where the law stood on this.

Am I opening myself up for a lot of grief? Is it a good idea?

Simon

--- visit http://www.simonroyal.co.uk (sent using Nokia E65)


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Oct 26 14:59:48 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 14:59:48 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Pictures For Commercial Use
In-Reply-To: <fFg94TJqpjWW.vJ1vp0F5@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <fFg94TJqpjWW.vJ1vp0F5@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <855B0996-B381-4F38-9422-BD646BCDD524@durrant.co.uk>

Copyright in a photograph generally belongs to the photographer. If  
you took a photo of copyright material (e.g. a recent sculpture),  
you'd still have copyright in the photo, but the sculptor would also  
have some copyright interest in it.

If your subjects are landscapes, I don't think there's any possible  
problem.

You should investigate the Creative Common licences. It sounds like  
you want the Creative Commons Attribution license. (Anyone can do  
anything with the photos, provided they mention you as the originator  
of the photos.)

http://creativecommons.org/

regards,

Paul

On 26 Oct 2009, at 14:09, Simon Royal wrote:

> Being a former publisher and designer I know the importance of good  
> images. Clients dont always supply good images or ones suitable for  
> print.
>
> Photo libraries are expensive and free ones are usually rubbish or  
> not for commercial use any way.
>
> I was wondering the legality of using or offering your own images. I  
> know there are a number of photographers in the group.
>
> Where do you stand when it comes to images you take yourself. I have  
> just been to Cheshire and the Peak District over the weekend and the  
> views are marvellous. I snapped away frantically on a reasonably  
> high specced camera.
>
> I was going to offer these and other photos I have taken for people  
> to use freely with only a mention back to myself.
>
> However some of the images taken are of other peoples property or  
> land and wondered where the law stood on this.
>
> Am I opening myself up for a lot of grief? Is it a good idea?


From rob at atvetsystems.com  Mon Oct 26 15:57:57 2009
From: rob at atvetsystems.com (Robert Tillyard)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:57:57 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Pictures For Commercial Use
In-Reply-To: <fFg94TJqpjWW.vJ1vp0F5@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <fFg94TJqpjWW.vJ1vp0F5@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5E9EAEBD-6AAC-4183-8358-9AD03F04C09C@atvetsystems.com>

Hello, Simon,

I put a lot of my images on Flickr and have had a magazine and a few  
web-sites ask if they can use the images.

There is a clause in the copyright act the says if you photograph  
copyrighted material it's classed as "incidental inclusion" and  
doesn't prevent you from photographing something unless the photograph  
is a clear attempt at duplication. I think there is an exception that  
prevents you from photographing bank notes up close.

I'll look at my copy of the copyright act when I get home and see if I  
can find the relevant chapters.

Sometimes the owner of a building can stop you from photographing a  
building if you have to stand on their property yo do it.

Have a Google for UK photographers rights. there is a PDF from them  
that defines all of this.

Regards, Rob.

On 26 Oct 2009, at 14:09, Simon Royal wrote:

> Being a former publisher and designer I know the importance of good  
> images. Clients dont always supply good images or ones suitable for  
> print.
>
> Photo libraries are expensive and free ones are usually rubbish or  
> not for commercial use any way.
>
> I was wondering the legality of using or offering your own images. I  
> know there are a number of photographers in the group.
>
> Where do you stand when it comes to images you take yourself. I have  
> just been to Cheshire and the Peak District over the weekend and the  
> views are marvellous. I snapped away frantically on a reasonably  
> high specced camera.
>
> I was going to offer these and other photos I have taken for people  
> to use freely with only a mention back to myself.
>
> However some of the images taken are of other peoples property or  
> land and wondered where the law stood on this.
>
> Am I opening myself up for a lot of grief? Is it a good idea?
>
> Simon
>
> --- visit http://www.simonroyal.co.uk (sent using Nokia E65)

From rob at atvetsystems.com  Mon Oct 26 16:19:58 2009
From: rob at atvetsystems.com (Robert Tillyard)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:19:58 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Pictures For Commercial Use
In-Reply-To: <fFg94TJqpjWW.vJ1vp0F5@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <fFg94TJqpjWW.vJ1vp0F5@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C9294FB3-A542-4CEE-AAF3-EF9FF607A9B7@atvetsystems.com>

Hello, Simon,

See http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/ukpga_19880048_en_3

This is what I've had up my sleeve incase anyone evert tried to say I  
couldn't photograph something (I hear it happens in Docklands,  
Birmingham Bullring and bits of London quite a lot). But not being a  
lawyer I don't know how far this will get you... YMMV...

1998 Copyright act Chapter 3 section 31:

31 Incidental inclusion of copyright material

(1) Copyright in a work is not infringed by its incidental inclusion  
in an artistic work, sound recording, film, broadcast or cable  
programme.

(2) Nor is the copyright infringed by the issue to the public of  
copies, or the playing, showing, broadcasting or inclusion in a cable  
programme service, of anything whose making was, by virtue of  
subsection (1), not an infringement of the copyright.

(3) A musical work, words spoken or sung with music, or so much of a  
sound recording, broadcast or cable programme as includes a musical  
work or such words, shall not be regarded as incidentally included in  
another work if it is deliberately included.


Regards, Rob.

On 26 Oct 2009, at 14:09, Simon Royal wrote:

> ...
> However some of the images taken are of other peoples property or  
> land and wondered where the law stood on this.
...

From rob at atvetsystems.com  Mon Oct 26 16:19:58 2009
From: rob at atvetsystems.com (Robert Tillyard)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:19:58 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Pictures For Commercial Use
In-Reply-To: <fFg94TJqpjWW.vJ1vp0F5@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <fFg94TJqpjWW.vJ1vp0F5@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C9294FB3-A542-4CEE-AAF3-EF9FF607A9B7@atvetsystems.com>

Hello, Simon,

See http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/ukpga_19880048_en_3

This is what I've had up my sleeve incase anyone evert tried to say I  
couldn't photograph something (I hear it happens in Docklands,  
Birmingham Bullring and bits of London quite a lot). But not being a  
lawyer I don't know how far this will get you... YMMV...

1998 Copyright act Chapter 3 section 31:

31 Incidental inclusion of copyright material

(1) Copyright in a work is not infringed by its incidental inclusion  
in an artistic work, sound recording, film, broadcast or cable  
programme.

(2) Nor is the copyright infringed by the issue to the public of  
copies, or the playing, showing, broadcasting or inclusion in a cable  
programme service, of anything whose making was, by virtue of  
subsection (1), not an infringement of the copyright.

(3) A musical work, words spoken or sung with music, or so much of a  
sound recording, broadcast or cable programme as includes a musical  
work or such words, shall not be regarded as incidentally included in  
another work if it is deliberately included.


Regards, Rob.

On 26 Oct 2009, at 14:09, Simon Royal wrote:

> ...
> However some of the images taken are of other peoples property or  
> land and wondered where the law stood on this.
...

From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Mon Oct 26 17:59:07 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:59:07 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Leopard v Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <74DFD909-9B54-488E-AF01-29D03DA137E9@gmail.com>
References: <B2DD160E-64E5-4A0F-959B-307F944AAB50@anyisle.com>
	<74DFD909-9B54-488E-AF01-29D03DA137E9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44DE833F-C10C-49DE-9CC1-918E4C490844@zen.co.uk>

Early 2008 MBP & 2009 Mac Pro - seems to need less power so battery  
lasts longer.

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 26 Oct 2009, at 08:08, Steve Batch wrote:

> Hi,
> I haven't bothered running any specific tests to see if things are
> running faster but I've noticed a couple of things since installing SL
>
> I'm running SL on a MacBook Pro, 2GB RAM.
>
> It does seem to do more without needing to hit the hard drive as much,
> for example when using finder to browse folders in Leopard if the
> folder contained a lot of images or video it would take a good few
> seconds to retrieve all the file info and icons/thumbnails and the
> hard disk would be churning like mad trying to access all the data
> while in SL this has been improved and browsing directories is instant
> and with little hard drive access.  Another similar example is
> coverflow in iTunes on Leopard going in to coverflow usually takes a
> good few seconds to load all the cover art of music and as you scroll
> through the library it continues to churn the hard drive and access
> more cover art, in SL this is also instant.
>
> Another thing I noticed is that while running Leopard I often got
> close to using the whole 2GB of ram and was on the verge of upgrading
> to 4GB but since the upgrade I've found that am not using as much RAM
> and so have put off buying a RAM upgrade until I actually need it.
>
> Steve.
>
>
> On 25 Oct 2009, at 21:51, Neil S. wrote:
>
>> 	To those that have gone from Leopard to Snow Leopard, have you  
>> seen a
>> difference in tangible performance?
>
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From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Mon Oct 26 18:11:03 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:11:03 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Pictures For Commercial Use
In-Reply-To: <C9294FB3-A542-4CEE-AAF3-EF9FF607A9B7@atvetsystems.com>
References: <fFg94TJqpjWW.vJ1vp0F5@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
	<C9294FB3-A542-4CEE-AAF3-EF9FF607A9B7@atvetsystems.com>
Message-ID: <1EAAC13B-BCB4-4D28-BF35-7336CE2013F9@zen.co.uk>

I'd go along with whats been said so far. The only place I can think  
of where I know restrictions apply is Durdle Door in Dorset and I  
think the main reason there is that to take a decent photo you have to  
stand on the owner's land for which a charge applies IIRC and  
commercial use is a not permitted on the ticket.

Having said that some airshows such as the big one at Fairford make it  
a condition precedent average punters can't use their images for  
personal profit but those who have snapped accidents seem to have been  
able to so.

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 26 Oct 2009, at 16:19, Robert Tillyard wrote:

> Hello, Simon,
>
> See http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/ukpga_19880048_en_3
>
> This is what I've had up my sleeve incase anyone evert tried to say I
> couldn't photograph something (I hear it happens in Docklands,
> Birmingham Bullring and bits of London quite a lot). But not being a
> lawyer I don't know how far this will get you... YMMV...
>
> 1998 Copyright act Chapter 3 section 31:
>
> 31 Incidental inclusion of copyright material
>
> (1) Copyright in a work is not infringed by its incidental inclusion
> in an artistic work, sound recording, film, broadcast or cable
> programme.
>
> (2) Nor is the copyright infringed by the issue to the public of
> copies, or the playing, showing, broadcasting or inclusion in a cable
> programme service, of anything whose making was, by virtue of
> subsection (1), not an infringement of the copyright.
>
> (3) A musical work, words spoken or sung with music, or so much of a
> sound recording, broadcast or cable programme as includes a musical
> work or such words, shall not be regarded as incidentally included in
> another work if it is deliberately included.
>
>
> Regards, Rob.
>
> On 26 Oct 2009, at 14:09, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> ...
>> However some of the images taken are of other peoples property or
>> land and wondered where the law stood on this.
> ...
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Mon Oct 26 18:14:13 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:14:13 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Digital Projector Appeal
Message-ID: <5A7753D9-4C13-45EF-90DA-C7C4ACA49942@zen.co.uk>

I'm doing a presentation for a friend on 20th November and need to use  
a digital projector on the night.

Does:

1. Anyone have one I could borrow
2. Anyone know where I can rent one?

Please PM off list if you can help.

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk




From Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net  Mon Oct 26 19:09:13 2009
From: Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net (Jeremy Webb)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:09:13 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Pictures For Commercial Use
In-Reply-To: <fFg94TJqpjWW.vJ1vp0F5@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <fFg94TJqpjWW.vJ1vp0F5@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <B80B4343-AD8D-41F6-87A5-89A88C40C8C5@virgin.net>

Hi Simon

You're not a professional photographer so although you still retain  
copyright, you have a multitude of ways to offer them to people  
without having to earn dosh from them, which also takes the pressure  
off a bit :-)

I'd put them up on Flickr with a Creative Commons licence as Paul  
suggested. You needn't worry about having photographed other peoples  
property, provided it doesn't blatantly compromise their security or  
privacy and could be claimed as doing so in a UK court.

A bit off-topic but...

Many individuals can and do try to prevent you taking pictures which  
just happen to feature their property but this is mostly of the "get  
orf moi laaand" variety and is just trying it on (unless you' re  
blatantly trespassing). Some photographers have come up against  
problems with landscape images taken on National Trust land which  
used to operate some quite incredible practices and try to demand the  
rights to images already taken. This led to some very interesting  
squabbles between visual artists and land agencies over who owns the  
"rights" to represent the clouds passing over the land I kid you not.  
Recently, the Met Police have been accused of abusing anti-terrorist  
legislation in order to prevent photographers from taking photographs  
perfectly innocently in central London and this has been highlighted  
and publicised in recent British Journal of Photography campaigns  
which have tried to clarify the law, bring the parties together and  
prevent these "misunderstandings" happening elsewhere.

I've been escorted from the perimeter fences of all sorts of places  
but the scariest encounter I ever had was with a real old boy Norfolk  
farmer, who turned up on his ancient push bike, and simply stared at  
me, saying nothing but chewing a twig and looking hard. Boy did I  
move :-D

Jeremy Webb
Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net



On 26 Oct 2009, at 14:09, Simon Royal wrote:

> Being a former publisher and designer I know the importance of good  
> images. Clients dont always supply good images or ones suitable for  
> print.
>
> Photo libraries are expensive and free ones are usually rubbish or  
> not for commercial use any way.
>
> I was wondering the legality of using or offering your own images.  
> I know there are a number of photographers in the group.
>
> Where do you stand when it comes to images you take yourself. I  
> have just been to Cheshire and the Peak District over the weekend  
> and the views are marvellous. I snapped away frantically on a  
> reasonably high specced camera.
>
> I was going to offer these and other photos I have taken for people  
> to use freely with only a mention back to myself.
>
> However some of the images taken are of other peoples property or  
> land and wondered where the law stood on this.
>
> Am I opening myself up for a lot of grief? Is it a good idea?
>
> Simon
>
> --- visit http://www.simonroyal.co.uk (sent using Nokia E65)
>
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> listinfo/nmug


From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Mon Oct 26 21:31:10 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:31:10 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Pictures For Commercial Use
In-Reply-To: <B80B4343-AD8D-41F6-87A5-89A88C40C8C5@virgin.net>
References: <fFg94TJqpjWW.vJ1vp0F5@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
	<B80B4343-AD8D-41F6-87A5-89A88C40C8C5@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <AE49CEAC-68C1-47B5-8577-D2668AFE0371@virgin.net>


>
> Hi Simon

I've come in a bit late to this question

Under the 1998 copyright act, The copyright of any photograph taken  
belongs to the photographer for 75 years after his/her death.

I believe that the is no longer a  law against 'trespassing' on any  
normal land, and the only thing you can get 'done for' is criminal  
damage.  Very hard to prove that the grass you have walked on
is damaged beyond repair.  The police may try to stop you in cities,  
by airports etc. on terrorist grounds and its dodgy to disagree with a  
6 foot copper or security man, so walk away and use a longer lens!

Photographing property sometimes requires a property release, as  
shooting people for publication need a model release, but if the  
subject is small within a picture (ie, a cottage as a small part of a  
landscape image) nobody can come after you)  unless you show it/them  
in a bad way  ie; putting a red light over the door or making fun of  
somebody without their permission. Unlike the paparazzi.

If I want to take a picture, I will.  If I am charged entry into a  
place then I feel I have paid for the right to shoot what I want  
( Within reason)  As a professional I have work to do!  Common Sense  
rules.  OK!

PS:  If everyone gives away images or sells them cheap they ruin it  
for the professionals who are expect to make a living by turning out  
consistently good images.
When publisher buy cheap they expect to buy every image cheap.

( Bolshie old Git, I know!)

Regards

Martin

Martin Fry
www.martinfryphotography.com

>
> You're not a professional photographer so although you still retain
> copyright, you have a multitude of ways to offer them to people
> without having to earn dosh from them, which also takes the pressure
> off a bit :-)
>
> I'd put them up on Flickr with a Creative Commons licence as Paul
> suggested. You needn't worry about having photographed other peoples
> property, provided it doesn't blatantly compromise their security or
> privacy and could be claimed as doing so in a UK court.
>
> A bit off-topic but...
>
> Many individuals can and do try to prevent you taking pictures which
> just happen to feature their property but this is mostly of the "get
> orf moi laaand" variety and is just trying it on (unless you' re
> blatantly trespassing). Some photographers have come up against
> problems with landscape images taken on National Trust land which
> used to operate some quite incredible practices and try to demand the
> rights to images already taken. This led to some very interesting
> squabbles between visual artists and land agencies over who owns the
> "rights" to represent the clouds passing over the land I kid you not.
> Recently, the Met Police have been accused of abusing anti-terrorist
> legislation in order to prevent photographers from taking photographs
> perfectly innocently in central London and this has been highlighted
> and publicised in recent British Journal of Photography campaigns
> which have tried to clarify the law, bring the parties together and
> prevent these "misunderstandings" happening elsewhere.
>
> I've been escorted from the perimeter fences of all sorts of places
> but the scariest encounter I ever had was with a real old boy Norfolk
> farmer, who turned up on his ancient push bike, and simply stared at
> me, saying nothing but chewing a twig and looking hard. Boy did I
> move :-D
>
> Jeremy Webb
> Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net
>
>
>
> On 26 Oct 2009, at 14:09, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> Being a former publisher and designer I know the importance of good
>> images. Clients dont always supply good images or ones suitable for
>> print.
>>
>> Photo libraries are expensive and free ones are usually rubbish or
>> not for commercial use any way.
>>
>> I was wondering the legality of using or offering your own images.
>> I know there are a number of photographers in the group.
>>
>> Where do you stand when it comes to images you take yourself. I
>> have just been to Cheshire and the Peak District over the weekend
>> and the views are marvellous. I snapped away frantically on a
>> reasonably high specced camera.
>>
>> I was going to offer these and other photos I have taken for people
>> to use freely with only a mention back to myself.
>>
>> However some of the images taken are of other peoples property or
>> land and wondered where the law stood on this.
>>
>> Am I opening myself up for a lot of grief? Is it a good idea?






From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Mon Oct 26 20:34:35 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:34:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Pictures For Commercial Use
In-Reply-To: <1EAAC13B-BCB4-4D28-BF35-7336CE2013F9@zen.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C70BC66B.30993%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

Having walked to Durdle Door from Osmington Mills and back one day and
snapped innumerable perspectives of it and its surroundings landscape - I
had no idea of any such restriction - not having entered by any ticket
producing portal.
So I guess that if I did includes any of these pics in any public work, then
I could be met with some kind of desist order or indeed demand for payment?

regards
Brian


Steven Jefferson said recently:

> I'd go along with whats been said so far. The only place I can think
> of where I know restrictions apply is Durdle Door in Dorset and I
> think the main reason there is that to take a decent photo you have to
> stand on the owner's land for which a charge applies IIRC and
> commercial use is a not permitted on the ticket.
> 
> Having said that some airshows such as the big one at Fairford make it
> a condition precedent average punters can't use their images for
> personal profit but those who have snapped accidents seem to have been
> able to so.
> 
> Steven Jefferson
> steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> On 26 Oct 2009, at 16:19, Robert Tillyard wrote:
> 
>> Hello, Simon,
>> 
>> See http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/ukpga_19880048_en_3
>> 
>> This is what I've had up my sleeve incase anyone evert tried to say I
>> couldn't photograph something (I hear it happens in Docklands,
>> Birmingham Bullring and bits of London quite a lot). But not being a
>> lawyer I don't know how far this will get you... YMMV...
>> 
>> 1998 Copyright act Chapter 3 section 31:
>> 
>> 31 Incidental inclusion of copyright material
>> 
>> (1) Copyright in a work is not infringed by its incidental inclusion
>> in an artistic work, sound recording, film, broadcast or cable
>> programme.
>> 
>> (2) Nor is the copyright infringed by the issue to the public of
>> copies, or the playing, showing, broadcasting or inclusion in a cable
>> programme service, of anything whose making was, by virtue of
>> subsection (1), not an infringement of the copyright.
>> 
>> (3) A musical work, words spoken or sung with music, or so much of a
>> sound recording, broadcast or cable programme as includes a musical
>> work or such words, shall not be regarded as incidentally included in
>> another work if it is deliberately included.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards, Rob.
>> 
>> On 26 Oct 2009, at 14:09, Simon Royal wrote:
>> 
>>> ...
>>> However some of the images taken are of other peoples property or
>>> land and wondered where the law stood on this.
>> ...
>> _______________________________________________
>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
>> Manage your subscription at:
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
> 
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From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Tue Oct 27 08:08:33 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:08:33 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Summary of today's updates
In-Reply-To: <E75DD5B0-9868-494F-B0F4-544529D4B294@durrant.co.uk>
References: <F3EC2545-B611-4BEB-91C9-95B4FEEE95B5@durrant.co.uk>
	<C32D29E7-437D-470F-B82B-6A8CCA31B040@durrant.co.uk>
	<52D36F28-C7F7-4D4B-88A8-FE7BB0F5B765@mac.com>
	<92434D5E-2D3B-4AF5-98B1-BF5678C3AC48@durrant.co.uk>
	<4365D487-FE7C-4254-8DF6-D6E0E8A7EB27@mac.com>
	<1216991A-0A59-4CE5-B164-FEF69290F43D@durrant.co.uk>
	<4307448A-7580-43D0-A25B-F0EC18CFA4EE@mac.com>
	<6D72E0CA-917C-43EE-9D1F-3E622AAF6293@durrant.co.uk>
	<E75DD5B0-9868-494F-B0F4-544529D4B294@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <85BDBE22-8F8C-4CCC-8CBE-41F13AD2CD74@gmail.com>


Humphies!  Tests have proven that the video-in capabilities are  
limited to DisplayPort only, so those hoping to connect a Blu-Ray  
player or games console may be out of luck.

<http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/10/26/tests_confirm_apples_27_imac_only_supports_displayport_input.html 
 >

Steve.

On 20 Oct 2009, at 21:56, Paul Durrant wrote:

> And the 27" iMacs can display video from an external source - i.e. you
> can use them as a big 27" monitor for, say, a BlueRay player.


From cruachan.beatus at googlemail.com  Tue Oct 27 08:40:30 2009
From: cruachan.beatus at googlemail.com (Campbell)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:40:30 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] loss of internet access
Message-ID: <58ab5cce0910270140h1fe10283h266b8e1fd3d32333@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
   Looking for an off the wall intellect.
   I am running an iMac on OS 10.4.11
   I have been using Onspeed for a number of years with few problems.
However, I found that if Onspeed failed to open, I could not access the net.
Usually, when I restarted Onspeed, everything returned to normal.

   A couple of days ago, Onspeed packed up, I cannot restart, and I have
lost contact with the outside world. Currently, I am struggling with a
windows lap top. borrowed from a generous neighbour.
   Although I have made frequent contacts with Onspeed, they do not seem to
be able to grasp that I am Macless and that their helpful download
programmes are coming in on a windows machine. I have recorded their latest
effort, but my Mac "does not recognize" the cd.
    As far as I can establish, I have removed all traces of Onspeed and
therefore shoul be able to contact the net au naturel, so to speak.
    I'm not sure that I have either the confidence or for that matter
competence, to return to a virgin hard drive but, short of that, what on
earth can I do?
    All suggestions of the non geek speak variety would be pathetically
gratefully received and actioned. [As was said of Rupert, "I am a bear of
limited intelligence"]
     With many thanks in advance,
              Sincerely,
            John M Campbell

From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Tue Oct 27 08:54:25 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:54:25 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] loss of internet access
In-Reply-To: <58ab5cce0910270140h1fe10283h266b8e1fd3d32333@mail.gmail.com>
References: <58ab5cce0910270140h1fe10283h266b8e1fd3d32333@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AE6B541.8020909@stackyard.org>

John,

You don't mention what sort of internet connection you are using, e.g. 
dial-up or broadband, your provider or what sort of device you have 
which connects the iMac to the phone line.  Can you give us more info?

Onspeed is one of those things which sounded like a good idea for 
dial-up users and many use it successfully.  However, I have seen 
terrible problems caused by it on PCs and certainly wouldn't recommend 
for broadband users.  If you want to persist, there is nothing to 
prevent you from downloading the Mac version of the Onspeed executable 
to the PC and transferring it to the iMac using a memory stick or 
optical disk.

Ken

Campbell wrote:
> Hi,
>    Looking for an off the wall intellect.
>    I am running an iMac on OS 10.4.11
>    I have been using Onspeed for a number of years with few problems.
> However, I found that if Onspeed failed to open, I could not access the net.
> Usually, when I restarted Onspeed, everything returned to normal.
>
>    A couple of days ago, Onspeed packed up, I cannot restart, and I have
> lost contact with the outside world. Currently, I am struggling with a
> windows lap top. borrowed from a generous neighbour.
>    Although I have made frequent contacts with Onspeed, they do not seem to
> be able to grasp that I am Macless and that their helpful download
> programmes are coming in on a windows machine. I have recorded their latest
> effort, but my Mac "does not recognize" the cd.
>     As far as I can establish, I have removed all traces of Onspeed and
> therefore shoul be able to contact the net au naturel, so to speak.
>     I'm not sure that I have either the confidence or for that matter
> competence, to return to a virgin hard drive but, short of that, what on
> earth can I do?
>     All suggestions of the non geek speak variety would be pathetically
> gratefully received and actioned. [As was said of Rupert, "I am a bear of
> limited intelligence"]
>      With many thanks in advance,
>               Sincerely,
>             John M Campbell
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   

From ricnev at mac.com  Tue Oct 27 10:09:12 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:09:12 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] 27 inch iMac Video in - Was: Summary of today's updates
In-Reply-To: <85BDBE22-8F8C-4CCC-8CBE-41F13AD2CD74@gmail.com>
References: <F3EC2545-B611-4BEB-91C9-95B4FEEE95B5@durrant.co.uk>
	<C32D29E7-437D-470F-B82B-6A8CCA31B040@durrant.co.uk>
	<52D36F28-C7F7-4D4B-88A8-FE7BB0F5B765@mac.com>
	<92434D5E-2D3B-4AF5-98B1-BF5678C3AC48@durrant.co.uk>
	<4365D487-FE7C-4254-8DF6-D6E0E8A7EB27@mac.com>
	<1216991A-0A59-4CE5-B164-FEF69290F43D@durrant.co.uk>
	<4307448A-7580-43D0-A25B-F0EC18CFA4EE@mac.com>
	<6D72E0CA-917C-43EE-9D1F-3E622AAF6293@durrant.co.uk>
	<E75DD5B0-9868-494F-B0F4-544529D4B294@durrant.co.uk>
	<85BDBE22-8F8C-4CCC-8CBE-41F13AD2CD74@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BFD645CB-9C02-449D-8E05-FC8DF041C672@mac.com>


On 27 Oct 2009, at 08:08, Steve Batch wrote:

>
> Humphies!  Tests have proven that the video-in capabilities are
> limited to DisplayPort only, so those hoping to connect a Blu-Ray
> player or games console may be out of luck.
>
> <http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/10/26/tests_confirm_apples_27_imac_only_supports_displayport_input.html
>>
>


This is worrying.

The potential lack of video in capability is a deal-breaker for me. My  
last large (well, 19"!) monitor died recently. It had been connected  
to my Mac Mini, which I was thinking of replacing with a nice new  
iMac. I was also hopeful to be able to view Blu-Ray movies on it, as  
well as connect various other computers and video devices, to make use  
of that huge high resolution screen.

How can I best express my dismay to Apple?

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com




From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue Oct 27 11:32:20 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:32:20 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] 27 inch iMac Video in - Was: Summary of today's updates
In-Reply-To: <BFD645CB-9C02-449D-8E05-FC8DF041C672@mac.com>
References: <F3EC2545-B611-4BEB-91C9-95B4FEEE95B5@durrant.co.uk>
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On 27 Oct 2009, at 10:09, Richard Nevill wrote:
> On 27 Oct 2009, at 08:08, Steve Batch wrote:
>> Humphies!  Tests have proven that the video-in capabilities are
>> limited to DisplayPort only, so those hoping to connect a Blu-Ray
>> player or games console may be out of luck.
>>
>> <http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/10/26/tests_confirm_apples_27_imac_only_supports_displayport_input.html
>
> This is worrying.
>
> The potential lack of video in capability is a deal-breaker for me. My
> last large (well, 19"!) monitor died recently. It had been connected
> to my Mac Mini, which I was thinking of replacing with a nice new
> iMac. I was also hopeful to be able to view Blu-Ray movies on it, as
> well as connect various other computers and video devices, to make use
> of that huge high resolution screen.
>
> How can I best express my dismay to Apple?

email to sjobs at apple.com

(no, seriously. They do get read. Some even get read (& replied to) by  
Steve. Of course, if your do get a reply, I'd suggest also buyign a  
lottery ticket - Lady Luck is obviously on your side.)

I've heard reports that you can get adapter boxes from DVI/HDMI to  
DisplayPort. But they're not cheap.

But what you /can/ do is buy TWO iMacs, and then have a wonderful dual- 
display setup. :-)

Paul



From sc at davidviner.com  Tue Oct 27 13:44:48 2009
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:44:48 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Virus Infostealer.Banker.C on fake DHL email; Mac too
In-Reply-To: <B9E8A576-826C-4751-AA47-0373AA75852F@igdesign.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1034.1256558000.111.nmug@nmug.org.uk>	<03162886-E4F2-4118-A471-09D066690F05@gmail.com>	<280739B0-2C73-4D4E-9578-0F1A8D08C164@ntlworld.com>
	<B9E8A576-826C-4751-AA47-0373AA75852F@igdesign.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4AE6F950.3090608@davidviner.com>

Ooh, and it's now my turn to get one of these fake DHL emails! No, I 
wasn't feeling left out of the party - this is probably the 4th or 5th 
one I've seen in the past few weeks.

Mind you, their spelling and cruddy use of English is a bit of a give 
away that it's not genuine!

Here's what it says:

/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hello!

The courier company was not able to deliver your parcel by your address.
Cause: Error in shipping address.

You may pickup the parcel at our post office personaly!

Please attention!
The shipping label is attached to this e-mail.
Print this label to get this package at our post office.

Please do not reply to this e-mail, it is an unmonitored mailbox.

Thank you,
DHL Express Services.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


/David

From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Tue Oct 27 15:28:42 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:28:42 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] loss of internet access (Onspeed)
In-Reply-To: <58ab5cce0910270140h1fe10283h266b8e1fd3d32333@mail.gmail.com>
References: <58ab5cce0910270140h1fe10283h266b8e1fd3d32333@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AE711AA.6020406@stackyard.org>

John,

Apologies for not reading your email more carefully.  Had I put my 
glasses on, I would have read the sentence in which you say that your 
Mac didn't recognize the CD (burned on the PC).  There are many 
possibilities here - first make sure that you can read the CD in the PC, 
in other words, that it burned successfully.  If still no joy try a 
memory stick to transfer the program.

Interestingly, in the Onspeed help section visible to non-users, there 
are network settings given only for Mac OS X versions up to and 
including Panther (10.3).  Is this significant?  Is it actually 
supported for Tiger or have they just not updated their help section?  
There does not appear to be a way of downloading without buying so I 
won't be doing that.

Anyway, Onspeed appears to need a proxy set in the network settings and 
that proxy would be the "localhost", i.e. your own machine - IP address 
127.0.0.1 and port 5400.  Properly running Onspeed software will answer 
requests at this address and on this port.  In other words, whenever you 
try to view a web site, your Mac uses the Onspeed software as a sort of 
middle-man to access the network.  If you are no longer running Onspeed 
or if it is broken in some way, any requests for web pages will go 
nowhere because the proxy (middle-man) isn't there to pass on requests.

So the moral of the story is to check your network settings under System 
Preferences -> Network -> Advanced (button) -> Proxies (tab) -> 
Configure Proxies Manually (drop-down menu) and untick any proxies 
ticked under "Select a protocol to configure".  If they are already 
unticked, then the solution is something else.

Let us know what happens.

Ken (wearing glasses)

Campbell wrote:
> Hi,
>    Looking for an off the wall intellect.
>    I am running an iMac on OS 10.4.11
>    I have been using Onspeed for a number of years with few problems.
> However, I found that if Onspeed failed to open, I could not access the net.
> Usually, when I restarted Onspeed, everything returned to normal.
>
>    A couple of days ago, Onspeed packed up, I cannot restart, and I have
> lost contact with the outside world. Currently, I am struggling with a
> windows lap top. borrowed from a generous neighbour.
>    Although I have made frequent contacts with Onspeed, they do not seem to
> be able to grasp that I am Macless and that their helpful download
> programmes are coming in on a windows machine. I have recorded their latest
> effort, but my Mac "does not recognize" the cd.
>     As far as I can establish, I have removed all traces of Onspeed and
> therefore shoul be able to contact the net au naturel, so to speak.
>     I'm not sure that I have either the confidence or for that matter
> competence, to return to a virgin hard drive but, short of that, what on
> earth can I do?
>     All suggestions of the non geek speak variety would be pathetically
> gratefully received and actioned. [As was said of Rupert, "I am a bear of
> limited intelligence"]
>      With many thanks in advance,
>               Sincerely,
>             John M Campbell
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   

From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Oct 27 16:00:36 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:00:36 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Wired Networking
Message-ID: <38D104D8-DDE2-41D1-BDA3-0E4A5D527FB7@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

I am changing around the layout of my house and it might mean I can  
switch some of my machines from wireless to wired. Wireless is great  
when it works, but it is a pain when it doesn't and a lot of the time  
it doesn't work for any known reason.

I have a BT HomeHub 2.0 which serves 7 devices.

A PC tower running XP Home wirelessly.
A PC tower running XP Pro wirelessly.
A PC tower running XP Home wired.
A PC laptop running XP Home wirelessly.
A PC laptop running Vista wirelessly.
A PowerBook running Leopard wirelessly.
My Nokia running S60 wirelessly.

The publishing company I worked for previously had a main server for  
it's PCs around the office, but only one connection for the editorial  
department which served a PC sitting in the corner for emails and  
internet. When I moved into the department I ran that connection into  
a wired switch when I then plugged all the Macs into (wired) and got  
them all online (albiet via figuring out the proxy settings).  
Previously they had all talked to each other via a very slow and old  
hub, but they were not connected to the outside world - nor the rest  
of the office.

I was thinking of doing a similar thing at home. I was going to run a  
Wired Switch from the HomeHub. This would connect to the wired PC  
tower running XP Home, which would be in the same room as the HomeHub.  
Directly above the room with the HomeHub and Switch in is my two boys  
room which has two wireless PC towers running XP. I would then run two  
ethernet cables up through the floor into their room and connect their  
two machines wired instead of wireless.

I would keep my PowerBook, Vista machine and Nokia running wirelessly.  
Would this work do you think? I am also looking at getting some older  
Macs (G3 and pre-G3 era) which is a pain to go wirelessly and most  
have ethernet built in.

I know the HomeHub has ethernet ports on it, but only a few and I  
intend to start collecting a lot of older Macs again. Also the main  
problem I have is the two XP wireless towers are using USB wireless  
dongles which pick up the HomeHub wireless signal when they feel like  
it, which is very frustrating. I know there is nothing wrong with the  
HomeHub or the positioning of it as my PowerBook and wifes XP laptop  
can always get a signal throughout the house, so it is probably down  
to the rubbish USB dongles.

A wired connection would take out the hassle of keeping these machines  
online.

Can anyone see a problem with my proposed set up? Does anyone have any  
advice?

Simon Royal
---
Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal 
. Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)









From cruachan.beatus at googlemail.com  Tue Oct 27 16:48:17 2009
From: cruachan.beatus at googlemail.com (Campbell)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:48:17 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Loss of internet access
Message-ID: <58ab5cce0910270948n46d43bdfo5fb89a6d23843d7c@mail.gmail.com>

Ken,
      Many thanks for your informative reply.
      I am using Plus Net broadband via Thompson Speed Touch ST 585 v6
wired, not wireless.
      The curious thing is that I have been using Onspeed
successfully, first on Dial Up and then on broadband for about six
years. Broadband comparatively recently, which, possibly
coincidentally, is when the fun started.
      Thanks to a saintly neighbour, I have been interrogating Onspeed
on a Windows lap top, on " live chat " for three days and it has
become clear that their experts have been merely quoting from their
printed material, rather than from experience with the product.
      I am deliriously happy to report that I am writing this on my
own  iMac, having rooted out every vestige of Onspeed from the
machine. The trash basket was red hot!
      However, there still remains the mystery as to HOW a piece of
installed software could appear to have hijacked the system. I wonder
if it was accidental that the uninstaller wouldn't?
               Thanks again,
                 John

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Campbell <cruachan.beatus at googlemail.com>
To: nmug at nmug.org.uk
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:40:30 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] loss of internet access
Hi,
  Looking for an off the wall intellect.
  I am running an iMac on OS 10.4.11
  I have been using Onspeed for a number of years with few problems.
However, I found that if Onspeed failed to open, I could not access the net.
Usually, when I restarted Onspeed, everything returned to normal.

  A couple of days ago, Onspeed packed up, I cannot restart, and I have
lost contact with the outside world. Currently, I am struggling with a
windows lap top. borrowed from a generous neighbour.
  Although I have made frequent contacts with Onspeed, they do not seem to
be able to grasp that I am Macless and that their helpful download
programmes are coming in on a windows machine. I have recorded their latest
effort, but my Mac "does not recognize" the cd.
   As far as I can establish, I have removed all traces of Onspeed and
therefore shoul be able to contact the net au naturel, so to speak.
   I'm not sure that I have either the confidence or for that matter
competence, to return to a virgin hard drive but, short of that, what on
earth can I do?
   All suggestions of the non geek speak variety would be pathetically
gratefully received and actioned. [As was said of Rupert, "I am a bear of
limited intelligence"]
    With many thanks in advance,
             Sincerely,
           John M Campbell



---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Ken Hamer <ken.hamer at stackyard.org>
To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at nmug.org.uk>
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:54:25 +0000
Subject: Re: [NMUG] loss of internet access
John,

You don't mention what sort of internet connection you are using, e.g.
dial-up or broadband, your provider or what sort of device you have
which connects the iMac to the phone line.  Can you give us more info?

Onspeed is one of those things which sounded like a good idea for
dial-up users and many use it successfully.  However, I have seen
terrible problems caused by it on PCs and certainly wouldn't recommend
for broadband users.  If you want to persist, there is nothing to
prevent you from downloading the Mac version of the Onspeed executable
to the PC and transferring it to the iMac using a memory stick or
optical disk.

Ken

From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Tue Oct 27 16:48:18 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:48:18 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Wired Networking
In-Reply-To: <38D104D8-DDE2-41D1-BDA3-0E4A5D527FB7@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <38D104D8-DDE2-41D1-BDA3-0E4A5D527FB7@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1D54A67C-E1AC-461E-BE2E-F3D8118FA9A1@gmail.com>

Hi,
Without knowing what is causing the wireless connections to stop  
working it's hard to say if using cables will resolve the issues, but  
it can't hurt to trial it.

My only suggestion would be to plan the network and keep it as simple  
as possible before you start drilling holes and running cables, for  
example, you should only need a single cable running up to the boy's  
room if you then have a hub in the room to split the connection  
between the two PCs.

Steve.


On 27 Oct 2009, at 16:00, Simon Royal wrote:

> A wired connection would take out the hassle of keeping these machines
> online.
>
> Can anyone see a problem with my proposed set up? Does anyone have any
> advice?


From sc at davidviner.com  Tue Oct 27 16:50:33 2009
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:50:33 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Wired Networking
In-Reply-To: <38D104D8-DDE2-41D1-BDA3-0E4A5D527FB7@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <38D104D8-DDE2-41D1-BDA3-0E4A5D527FB7@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4AE724D9.3010101@davidviner.com>

Simon

I also run a combined wired/wireless system. In my case it's from a VM 
(ex NTL) cable modem into a LinkSys Firewall/4-port Router - a couple of 
switches/hubs give me the extra connections needed and, from those, I've 
got the house cabled up with Cat-5e Ethernet. There's a NetGear wireless 
hub that gets switched on when I want to use the wireless netbook or 
laptop (usually from the conservatory or garden). The NetGear is locked 
down solidly with WPA2 so that only certain MAC network card addresses 
can get access. The network has a Linux file/web server which is also 
doing some DNS - all the PCs and Macs on the network include the Linux 
box as the initial DNS nameserver in order for me to test all the 
various test versions of web sites that live on the server. It all works 
fine apart from when the Windows PCs forget or screw up their DNS 
settings (which happens for absolutely no reason as far as I can see).

So, in your case, I'd say go for it!

David

> Hi.
>
> I am changing around the layout of my house and it might mean I can  
> switch some of my machines from wireless to wired. Wireless is great  
> when it works, but it is a pain when it doesn't and a lot of the time  
> it doesn't work for any known reason.
>
> I have a BT HomeHub 2.0 which serves 7 devices.
>
> A PC tower running XP Home wirelessly.
> A PC tower running XP Pro wirelessly.
> A PC tower running XP Home wired.
> A PC laptop running XP Home wirelessly.
> A PC laptop running Vista wirelessly.
> A PowerBook running Leopard wirelessly.
> My Nokia running S60 wirelessly.
>
> The publishing company I worked for previously had a main server for  
> it's PCs around the office, but only one connection for the editorial  
> department which served a PC sitting in the corner for emails and  
> internet. When I moved into the department I ran that connection into  
> a wired switch when I then plugged all the Macs into (wired) and got  
> them all online (albiet via figuring out the proxy settings).  
> Previously they had all talked to each other via a very slow and old  
> hub, but they were not connected to the outside world - nor the rest  
> of the office.
>
> I was thinking of doing a similar thing at home. I was going to run a  
> Wired Switch from the HomeHub. This would connect to the wired PC  
> tower running XP Home, which would be in the same room as the HomeHub.  
> Directly above the room with the HomeHub and Switch in is my two boys  
> room which has two wireless PC towers running XP. I would then run two  
> ethernet cables up through the floor into their room and connect their  
> two machines wired instead of wireless.
>
> I would keep my PowerBook, Vista machine and Nokia running wirelessly.  
> Would this work do you think? I am also looking at getting some older  
> Macs (G3 and pre-G3 era) which is a pain to go wirelessly and most  
> have ethernet built in.
>
> I know the HomeHub has ethernet ports on it, but only a few and I  
> intend to start collecting a lot of older Macs again. Also the main  
> problem I have is the two XP wireless towers are using USB wireless  
> dongles which pick up the HomeHub wireless signal when they feel like  
> it, which is very frustrating. I know there is nothing wrong with the  
> HomeHub or the positioning of it as my PowerBook and wifes XP laptop  
> can always get a signal throughout the house, so it is probably down  
> to the rubbish USB dongles.
>
> A wired connection would take out the hassle of keeping these machines  
> online.
>
> Can anyone see a problem with my proposed set up? Does anyone have any  
> advice?
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal 
> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From ricnev at mac.com  Tue Oct 27 17:00:42 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:00:42 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Wired Networking
In-Reply-To: <38D104D8-DDE2-41D1-BDA3-0E4A5D527FB7@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <38D104D8-DDE2-41D1-BDA3-0E4A5D527FB7@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <E21BCEC6-FDDD-4062-8345-3DD11F1B210E@mac.com>


On 27 Oct 2009, at 16:00, Simon Royal wrote:

> Wireless is great
> when it works, but it is a pain when it doesn't and a lot of the time
> it doesn't work for any known reason.
>
> I have a BT HomeHub 2.0

Hmm... I suspect it doesn't work a lot of the time for a lot of us  
given that hardware/firmware combination!

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com




From batchsteve at googlemail.com  Tue Oct 27 17:07:31 2009
From: batchsteve at googlemail.com (Steve Batch)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:07:31 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Wired Networking
In-Reply-To: <38D104D8-DDE2-41D1-BDA3-0E4A5D527FB7@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <38D104D8-DDE2-41D1-BDA3-0E4A5D527FB7@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5FC651A3-2DB8-41AD-AF51-B821D9064078@gmail.com>


Oh yeah, one other suggestion, if you are making the cables up  
yourself invest in a cable tester as a poorly constructed network  
cable can appear to be working but cause headaches later on.

Steve.


On 27 Oct 2009, at 16:00, Simon Royal wrote:

> Does anyone have any
> advice?


From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Tue Oct 27 17:09:27 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:09:27 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Wired Networking
In-Reply-To: <38D104D8-DDE2-41D1-BDA3-0E4A5D527FB7@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <38D104D8-DDE2-41D1-BDA3-0E4A5D527FB7@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4AE72947.2050909@stackyard.org>

Simon,

Yes, good idea.  I don't know why you're having such wireless troubles 
but going wired can take the hassle out of the situation.  Ethernet is 
pretty flexible and you don't have to worry too much about the topology 
just as long as you don't do any weird loopbacks where something is 
plugged back into itself.  Just be sure to use gigabit switches if at 
all possible so that those machines with fast adapters can speak to each 
other at a decent speed.  Gigabit makes a BIG difference when you are 
trying to download a big file from one machine to another.  Of course it 
has no relevance for internet access because that will be far slower 
than standard 100baseT Ethernet.  The router should be fine acting as 
the DHCP server for everything, even over all the switches.  You should 
also set up address reservation on the router so that everything gets 
the same IP address when it boots up.  This minimizes hassles with 
folder/printer sharing between machines.

You might also want to consider HomePlug devices which can be a bit 
pricey but very useful if you don't want to drill lots of holes and run 
cables.  If you do decide to take this route, get decent ones as cheap 
ones have a habit of not working.  My favourite manufacturer of HomePlug 
stuff is Devolo.

Ken


Simon Royal wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I am changing around the layout of my house and it might mean I can  
> switch some of my machines from wireless to wired. Wireless is great  
> when it works, but it is a pain when it doesn't and a lot of the time  
> it doesn't work for any known reason.
>
> I have a BT HomeHub 2.0 which serves 7 devices.
>
> A PC tower running XP Home wirelessly.
> A PC tower running XP Pro wirelessly.
> A PC tower running XP Home wired.
> A PC laptop running XP Home wirelessly.
> A PC laptop running Vista wirelessly.
> A PowerBook running Leopard wirelessly.
> My Nokia running S60 wirelessly.
>
> The publishing company I worked for previously had a main server for  
> it's PCs around the office, but only one connection for the editorial  
> department which served a PC sitting in the corner for emails and  
> internet. When I moved into the department I ran that connection into  
> a wired switch when I then plugged all the Macs into (wired) and got  
> them all online (albiet via figuring out the proxy settings).  
> Previously they had all talked to each other via a very slow and old  
> hub, but they were not connected to the outside world - nor the rest  
> of the office.
>
> I was thinking of doing a similar thing at home. I was going to run a  
> Wired Switch from the HomeHub. This would connect to the wired PC  
> tower running XP Home, which would be in the same room as the HomeHub.  
> Directly above the room with the HomeHub and Switch in is my two boys  
> room which has two wireless PC towers running XP. I would then run two  
> ethernet cables up through the floor into their room and connect their  
> two machines wired instead of wireless.
>
> I would keep my PowerBook, Vista machine and Nokia running wirelessly.  
> Would this work do you think? I am also looking at getting some older  
> Macs (G3 and pre-G3 era) which is a pain to go wirelessly and most  
> have ethernet built in.
>
> I know the HomeHub has ethernet ports on it, but only a few and I  
> intend to start collecting a lot of older Macs again. Also the main  
> problem I have is the two XP wireless towers are using USB wireless  
> dongles which pick up the HomeHub wireless signal when they feel like  
> it, which is very frustrating. I know there is nothing wrong with the  
> HomeHub or the positioning of it as my PowerBook and wifes XP laptop  
> can always get a signal throughout the house, so it is probably down  
> to the rubbish USB dongles.
>
> A wired connection would take out the hassle of keeping these machines  
> online.
>
> Can anyone see a problem with my proposed set up? Does anyone have any  
> advice?
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal 
> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Oct 27 17:42:41 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:42:41 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Wired Networking
In-Reply-To: <E21BCEC6-FDDD-4062-8345-3DD11F1B210E@mac.com>
References: <38D104D8-DDE2-41D1-BDA3-0E4A5D527FB7@simonroyal.co.uk>
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Richard

That is the hardware: BT HomeHub 2.0

The firmware is the latest: 4.7.5.1.83

Simon

On 27 Oct 2009, at 17:00, Richard Nevill wrote:

> Hmm... I suspect it doesn't work a lot of the time for a lot of us
> given that hardware/firmware combination!

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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Oct 27 17:55:25 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:55:25 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Wired Networking
In-Reply-To: <1D54A67C-E1AC-461E-BE2E-F3D8118FA9A1@gmail.com>
References: <38D104D8-DDE2-41D1-BDA3-0E4A5D527FB7@simonroyal.co.uk>
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Steve

At present the is one machine in the room directly above the HomeHub  
and the other machine is in the room next to that. I am now moving the  
other machine into the same room as the first, which is directly above  
the HomeHub.

Both machines are running XP (one Pro, one Home), both have USB  
dongles (one Asus, one Zydas). Both connect fine at times, other times  
they don't see any networks, other times they don't see my network.

I know the signal is good in those rooms as I have tried with my  
PowerBook (which has a Buffalo/Airport Extreme card) and my wifes  
laptop also running XP (which has a Buffalo PCMCIA card) and both have  
strong signals with no drop outs or missing signals.

Therefore I am assuming it is down to rubbishy USB dongles or poor  
drivers at least. I could buy some more, or some PCI cards to sort the  
problem. However, I have been wanting to expand the network  
possibilities to include more network ports for some future projects  
and I thought this would resolve both issues.

Simon

On 27 Oct 2009, at 16:48, Steve Batch wrote:

> Hi,
> Without knowing what is causing the wireless connections to stop
> working it's hard to say if using cables will resolve the issues, but
> it can't hurt to trial it.

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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Oct 27 17:56:45 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:56:45 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Wired Networking
In-Reply-To: <4AE72947.2050909@stackyard.org>
References: <38D104D8-DDE2-41D1-BDA3-0E4A5D527FB7@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4AE72947.2050909@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <FF0A3E21-760E-4226-B626-03CF8A767E61@simonroyal.co.uk>

Ken

I'm not a fan of the HomePlug system and there are already holes in  
the walls/flooring where TV cables go through, hence my thought of  
putting ethernet cables in.

If I had to drill holes in the walls, I don't think my wife would  
appreciate that.

Simon

On 27 Oct 2009, at 17:09, Ken Hamer wrote:

> You might also want to consider HomePlug devices which can be a bit
> pricey but very useful if you don't want to drill lots of holes and  
> run
> cables.  If you do decide to take this route, get decent ones as cheap
> ones have a habit of not working.  My favourite manufacturer of  
> HomePlug
> stuff is Devolo.

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From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Tue Oct 27 19:38:26 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:38:26 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Wired Networking
In-Reply-To: <FF0A3E21-760E-4226-B626-03CF8A767E61@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <38D104D8-DDE2-41D1-BDA3-0E4A5D527FB7@simonroyal.co.uk>	<4AE72947.2050909@stackyard.org>
	<FF0A3E21-760E-4226-B626-03CF8A767E61@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4AE74C32.4000107@stackyard.org>

Yes, well, a length of CAT(x) is going to be a lot cheaper than a pair 
of good HomePlug devices anyway so if the holes are already there...

Simon Royal wrote:
> Ken
>
> I'm not a fan of the HomePlug system and there are already holes in  
> the walls/flooring where TV cables go through, hence my thought of  
> putting ethernet cables in.
>
> If I had to drill holes in the walls, I don't think my wife would  
> appreciate that.
>
> Simon
>
> On 27 Oct 2009, at 17:09, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
>   
>> You might also want to consider HomePlug devices which can be a bit
>> pricey but very useful if you don't want to drill lots of holes and  
>> run
>> cables.  If you do decide to take this route, get decent ones as cheap
>> ones have a habit of not working.  My favourite manufacturer of  
>> HomePlug
>> stuff is Devolo.
>>     
>
> Simon Royal
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> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)
>
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>
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From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Tue Oct 27 20:14:28 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:14:28 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Loss of internet access
In-Reply-To: <58ab5cce0910270948n46d43bdfo5fb89a6d23843d7c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <58ab5cce0910270948n46d43bdfo5fb89a6d23843d7c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AE754A4.801@stackyard.org>

There's no mystery - it's just the wonderful world of computer 
software.  Uninstaller programs are notoriously bad, many hilariously 
so.  The installation of Onspeed didn't actually hijack the system.  It 
just failed to reset a small but fundamental setting which just happened 
to control whether your network access was enabled, so nothing important.

I'm glad you're back on-line again.

Ken

Campbell wrote:
> Ken,
>       Many thanks for your informative reply.
>       I am using Plus Net broadband via Thompson Speed Touch ST 585 v6
> wired, not wireless.
>       The curious thing is that I have been using Onspeed
> successfully, first on Dial Up and then on broadband for about six
> years. Broadband comparatively recently, which, possibly
> coincidentally, is when the fun started.
>       Thanks to a saintly neighbour, I have been interrogating Onspeed
> on a Windows lap top, on " live chat " for three days and it has
> become clear that their experts have been merely quoting from their
> printed material, rather than from experience with the product.
>       I am deliriously happy to report that I am writing this on my
> own  iMac, having rooted out every vestige of Onspeed from the
> machine. The trash basket was red hot!
>       However, there still remains the mystery as to HOW a piece of
> installed software could appear to have hijacked the system. I wonder
> if it was accidental that the uninstaller wouldn't?
>                Thanks again,
>                  John
>
>   

From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Oct 27 21:16:25 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:16:25 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Pictures For Commercial Use
In-Reply-To: <855B0996-B381-4F38-9422-BD646BCDD524@durrant.co.uk>
References: <fFg94TJqpjWW.vJ1vp0F5@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
	<855B0996-B381-4F38-9422-BD646BCDD524@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <255B11F0-B2A7-4180-B195-DCAFBA6261C6@simonroyal.co.uk>

Paul

Thank you. That was very informative and I think it is what I was  
looking for.

Simon

On 26 Oct 2009, at 14:59, Paul Durrant wrote:

> ou should investigate the Creative Common licences. It sounds like
> you want the Creative Commons Attribution license. (Anyone can do
> anything with the photos, provided they mention you as the originator
> of the photos.)
>
> http://creativecommons.org/

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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Oct 27 21:22:23 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:22:23 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Pictures For Commercial Use
In-Reply-To: <AE49CEAC-68C1-47B5-8577-D2668AFE0371@virgin.net>
References: <fFg94TJqpjWW.vJ1vp0F5@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
	<B80B4343-AD8D-41F6-87A5-89A88C40C8C5@virgin.net>
	<AE49CEAC-68C1-47B5-8577-D2668AFE0371@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <C47F63C8-BF5C-4F41-9DD2-A395D7A68CCC@simonroyal.co.uk>

Martin

I am not a professional photographer and do not have expensive  
equipment to capture picture perfect images. I am not trying to put  
professional photographers like yourself and others on the group out  
of business. My images could never compete with those that you produce.

My aim is to provide cost-free images to publishers or budding  
publishers without losing all rights to those images.

As a professional designer/publisher who now out of work is looking at  
going freelance, quality stock images are hard to find at a low cost  
or free.

My theory is 'you get what you pay for'.

Simon

On 26 Oct 2009, at 21:31, Martin Fry wrote:

> PS:  If everyone gives away images or sells them cheap they ruin it
> for the professionals who are expect to make a living by turning out
> consistently good images.
> When publisher buy cheap they expect to buy every image cheap.
>
> ( Bolshie old Git, I know!)

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From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Tue Oct 27 22:01:27 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 22:01:27 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Pictures For Commercial Use
In-Reply-To: <C47F63C8-BF5C-4F41-9DD2-A395D7A68CCC@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <fFg94TJqpjWW.vJ1vp0F5@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
	<B80B4343-AD8D-41F6-87A5-89A88C40C8C5@virgin.net>
	<AE49CEAC-68C1-47B5-8577-D2668AFE0371@virgin.net>
	<C47F63C8-BF5C-4F41-9DD2-A395D7A68CCC@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <889235E8-30C4-4081-A900-E240A52569B5@zen.co.uk>

Simon,

Trouble is the playing field for photographs is now soooooooo flat you  
are not only competing against the pros but anybody with a basic  
camera and lens, and most are so desperate to get their pictures  
published they will virtually give their work away, undermining those  
who have to earn a living with their camera. I'm not one of them as I  
help a not for profit organisation but the quality from most digital  
cameras, and the fact that the camera does virtually everything means  
that people don't have to learn their craft nowadays.

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 27 Oct 2009, at 21:22, Simon Royal wrote:

> Martin
>
> I am not a professional photographer and do not have expensive
> equipment to capture picture perfect images. I am not trying to put
> professional photographers like yourself and others on the group out
> of business. My images could never compete with those that you  
> produce.
>
> My aim is to provide cost-free images to publishers or budding
> publishers without losing all rights to those images.
>
> As a professional designer/publisher who now out of work is looking at
> going freelance, quality stock images are hard to find at a low cost
> or free.
>
> My theory is 'you get what you pay for'.
>
> Simon
>
> On 26 Oct 2009, at 21:31, Martin Fry wrote:
>
>> PS:  If everyone gives away images or sells them cheap they ruin it
>> for the professionals who are expect to make a living by turning out
>> consistently good images.
>> When publisher buy cheap they expect to buy every image cheap.
>>
>> ( Bolshie old Git, I know!)
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal
> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)
>
>
>
>
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From tom at tomkershaw.com  Wed Oct 28 00:07:50 2009
From: tom at tomkershaw.com (Tom Kershaw)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:07:50 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Pictures For Commercial Use
In-Reply-To: <889235E8-30C4-4081-A900-E240A52569B5@zen.co.uk>
References: <fFg94TJqpjWW.vJ1vp0F5@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>	<B80B4343-AD8D-41F6-87A5-89A88C40C8C5@virgin.net>	<AE49CEAC-68C1-47B5-8577-D2668AFE0371@virgin.net>	<C47F63C8-BF5C-4F41-9DD2-A395D7A68CCC@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<889235E8-30C4-4081-A900-E240A52569B5@zen.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4AE78B56.3090704@tomkershaw.com>

Technology doesn't negate ability. Otherwise, where do you draw the 
line, dry plate, sheet film, adoption of 35mm film for stills 
photography, 1909 or 2009?

Tom


Steven Jefferson wrote:
> Simon,
>
> Trouble is the playing field for photographs is now soooooooo flat you  
> are not only competing against the pros but anybody with a basic  
> camera and lens, and most are so desperate to get their pictures  
> published they will virtually give their work away, undermining those  
> who have to earn a living with their camera. I'm not one of them as I  
> help a not for profit organisation but the quality from most digital  
> cameras, and the fact that the camera does virtually everything means  
> that people don't have to learn their craft nowadays.
>
> Steven Jefferson
> steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk
>
>
>
> On 27 Oct 2009, at 21:22, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>   
>> Martin
>>
>> I am not a professional photographer and do not have expensive
>> equipment to capture picture perfect images. I am not trying to put
>> professional photographers like yourself and others on the group out
>> of business. My images could never compete with those that you  
>> produce.
>>
>> My aim is to provide cost-free images to publishers or budding
>> publishers without losing all rights to those images.
>>
>> As a professional designer/publisher who now out of work is looking at
>> going freelance, quality stock images are hard to find at a low cost
>> or free.
>>
>> My theory is 'you get what you pay for'.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> On 26 Oct 2009, at 21:31, Martin Fry wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> PS:  If everyone gives away images or sells them cheap they ruin it
>>> for the professionals who are expect to make a living by turning out
>>> consistently good images.
>>> When publisher buy cheap they expect to buy every image cheap.
>>>
>>> ( Bolshie old Git, I know!)
>>>       
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal
>> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Wed Oct 28 11:16:21 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:16:21 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Pictures For Commercial Use
In-Reply-To: <4AE78B56.3090704@tomkershaw.com>
References: <fFg94TJqpjWW.vJ1vp0F5@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>	<B80B4343-AD8D-41F6-87A5-89A88C40C8C5@virgin.net>	<AE49CEAC-68C1-47B5-8577-D2668AFE0371@virgin.net>	<C47F63C8-BF5C-4F41-9DD2-A395D7A68CCC@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<889235E8-30C4-4081-A900-E240A52569B5@zen.co.uk>
	<4AE78B56.3090704@tomkershaw.com>
Message-ID: <A07F0A29-346A-4D3B-BA62-6747C6DDF019@zen.co.uk>

No but you have to shine very brightly above the crowd of others  
jostling for attention.

The bar to entry ie kit, understanding of the underlying technology  
etc, barely exists today.

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 28 Oct 2009, at 00:07, Tom Kershaw wrote:

> Technology doesn't negate ability. Otherwise, where do you draw the
> line, dry plate, sheet film, adoption of 35mm film for stills
> photography, 1909 or 2009?
>
> Tom
>
>
> Steven Jefferson wrote:
>> Simon,
>>
>> Trouble is the playing field for photographs is now soooooooo flat  
>> you
>> are not only competing against the pros but anybody with a basic
>> camera and lens, and most are so desperate to get their pictures
>> published they will virtually give their work away, undermining those
>> who have to earn a living with their camera. I'm not one of them as I
>> help a not for profit organisation but the quality from most digital
>> cameras, and the fact that the camera does virtually everything means
>> that people don't have to learn their craft nowadays.
>>
>> Steven Jefferson
>> steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk
>>
>>
>>
>> On 27 Oct 2009, at 21:22, Simon Royal wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Martin
>>>
>>> I am not a professional photographer and do not have expensive
>>> equipment to capture picture perfect images. I am not trying to put
>>> professional photographers like yourself and others on the group out
>>> of business. My images could never compete with those that you
>>> produce.
>>>
>>> My aim is to provide cost-free images to publishers or budding
>>> publishers without losing all rights to those images.
>>>
>>> As a professional designer/publisher who now out of work is  
>>> looking at
>>> going freelance, quality stock images are hard to find at a low cost
>>> or free.
>>>
>>> My theory is 'you get what you pay for'.
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>> On 26 Oct 2009, at 21:31, Martin Fry wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> PS:  If everyone gives away images or sells them cheap they ruin it
>>>> for the professionals who are expect to make a living by turning  
>>>> out
>>>> consistently good images.
>>>> When publisher buy cheap they expect to buy every image cheap.
>>>>
>>>> ( Bolshie old Git, I know!)
>>>>
>>> Simon Royal
>>> ---
>>> Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal
>>> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From alan.barber3 at ntlworld.com  Wed Oct 28 12:16:01 2009
From: alan.barber3 at ntlworld.com (Alan Barber)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:16:01 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] keyboard
Message-ID: <848D684F-C247-46CF-B1DC-D5F04718F4CA@ntlworld.com>

I have a keyboard with a dodgy space bar.
will someone going to the meeting tonight have a look at for me please.

Regards

Alan





From mercer at gotadsl.co.uk  Wed Oct 28 12:38:02 2009
From: mercer at gotadsl.co.uk (Valerie Mercer)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:38:02 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Desktop Font
Message-ID: <1256E34C-FAD8-470E-9105-F68265C99E41@gotadsl.co.uk>

Is there a way to change the Desktop font?

Valerie

From sc at davidviner.com  Wed Oct 28 13:26:35 2009
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:26:35 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] keyboard
In-Reply-To: <848D684F-C247-46CF-B1DC-D5F04718F4CA@ntlworld.com>
References: <848D684F-C247-46CF-B1DC-D5F04718F4CA@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <4AE8468B.7070202@davidviner.com>

I intend coming along for my first ever meeting tonight so, yes, I could 
take a look for you.

David


Alan Barber wrote:
> I have a keyboard with a dodgy space bar.
> will someone going to the meeting tonight have a look at for me please.
>
> Regards
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
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From alanbarber at mac.com  Wed Oct 28 13:40:06 2009
From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:40:06 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] keyboard
In-Reply-To: <4AE8468B.7070202@davidviner.com>
References: <848D684F-C247-46CF-B1DC-D5F04718F4CA@ntlworld.com>
	<4AE8468B.7070202@davidviner.com>
Message-ID: <E2E19930-71BB-4911-AA3C-DB9472E17CE8@mac.com>

Thanks I will be there about 21.00

Regards

Alan
		

On 28 Oct 2009, at 13:26, David Viner wrote:

> I intend coming along for my first ever meeting tonight so, yes, I  
> could
> take a look for you.
>
> David
>
>
> Alan Barber wrote:
>> I have a keyboard with a dodgy space bar.
>> will someone going to the meeting tonight have a look at for me  
>> please.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From cruachan.beatus at googlemail.com  Wed Oct 28 15:22:07 2009
From: cruachan.beatus at googlemail.com (Campbell)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:22:07 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Onspeed SNAFU
Message-ID: <58ab5cce0910280822x2813096fnd860562aaeef4e2b@mail.gmail.com>

Ken,
       Once again I'm indebted to you for getting me out of the fertilizer
business, in which I was developing a virtual monopoly.
        Without a trace of geekery, forsooth.
        I shall be doing a few more routine ticking and/or unticking  of
boxes from now on.
        By the way, it wasn't Rupert, it was Paddington ............... but
then you knew that!
        The very best to you.
               John


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Ken Hamer <ken.hamer at stackyard.org>
To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at nmug.org.uk>
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:14:28 +0000
Subject: Re: [NMUG] Loss of internet access
There's no mystery - it's just the wonderful world of computer software.
 Uninstaller programs are notoriously bad, many hilariously so.  The
installation of Onspeed didn't actually hijack the system.  It just failed
to reset a small but fundamental setting which just happened to control
whether your network access was enabled, so nothing important.

I'm glad you're back on-line again.

Ken

Campbell wrote:

> Ken,
>      Many thanks for your informative reply.
>      I am using Plus Net broadband via Thompson Speed Touch ST 585 v6
> wired, not wireless.
>      The curious thing is that I have been using Onspeed
> successfully, first on Dial Up and then on broadband for about six
> years. Broadband comparatively recently, which, possibly
> coincidentally, is when the fun started.
>      Thanks to a saintly neighbour, I have been interrogating Onspeed
> on a Windows lap top, on " live chat " for three days and it has
> become clear that their experts have been merely quoting from their
> printed material, rather than from experience with the product.
>      I am deliriously happy to report that I am writing this on my
> own  iMac, having rooted out every vestige of Onspeed from the
> machine. The trash basket was red hot!
>      However, there still remains the mystery as to HOW a piece of
> installed software could appear to have hijacked the system. I wonder
> if it was accidental that the uninstaller wouldn't?
>               Thanks again,
>                 John
>

From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Wed Oct 28 15:37:47 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:37:47 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Onspeed SNAFU
In-Reply-To: <58ab5cce0910280822x2813096fnd860562aaeef4e2b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <58ab5cce0910280822x2813096fnd860562aaeef4e2b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AE8654B.90102@stackyard.org>

It was a bit geeky but you're probably just more knowledgeable than you 
thought you were.

Actually, I thought it was Pooh who was referred to as a bear of very 
little brain but I read it a long time ago now so I can't be sure.

Ken

Campbell wrote:
> Ken,
>        Once again I'm indebted to you for getting me out of the fertilizer
> business, in which I was developing a virtual monopoly.
>         Without a trace of geekery, forsooth.
>         I shall be doing a few more routine ticking and/or unticking  of
> boxes from now on.
>         By the way, it wasn't Rupert, it was Paddington ............... but
> then you knew that!
>         The very best to you.
>                John
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Ken Hamer <ken.hamer at stackyard.org>
> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at nmug.org.uk>
> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:14:28 +0000
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Loss of internet access
> There's no mystery - it's just the wonderful world of computer software.
>  Uninstaller programs are notoriously bad, many hilariously so.  The
> installation of Onspeed didn't actually hijack the system.  It just failed
> to reset a small but fundamental setting which just happened to control
> whether your network access was enabled, so nothing important.
>
> I'm glad you're back on-line again.
>
> Ken
>
> Campbell wrote:
>
>   
>> Ken,
>>      Many thanks for your informative reply.
>>      I am using Plus Net broadband via Thompson Speed Touch ST 585 v6
>> wired, not wireless.
>>      The curious thing is that I have been using Onspeed
>> successfully, first on Dial Up and then on broadband for about six
>> years. Broadband comparatively recently, which, possibly
>> coincidentally, is when the fun started.
>>      Thanks to a saintly neighbour, I have been interrogating Onspeed
>> on a Windows lap top, on " live chat " for three days and it has
>> become clear that their experts have been merely quoting from their
>> printed material, rather than from experience with the product.
>>      I am deliriously happy to report that I am writing this on my
>> own  iMac, having rooted out every vestige of Onspeed from the
>> machine. The trash basket was red hot!
>>      However, there still remains the mystery as to HOW a piece of
>> installed software could appear to have hijacked the system. I wonder
>> if it was accidental that the uninstaller wouldn't?
>>               Thanks again,
>>                 John
>>
>>     
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From penguinsplj at me.com  Wed Oct 28 16:21:58 2009
From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:21:58 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] keyboard
In-Reply-To: <848D684F-C247-46CF-B1DC-D5F04718F4CA@ntlworld.com>
References: <848D684F-C247-46CF-B1DC-D5F04718F4CA@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <AC888EA8-317C-4406-BD18-709A00D3F49B@me.com>


On Oct 28, 2009, at 12:16, Alan Barber wrote:

> I have a keyboard with a dodgy space bar.
> will someone going to the meeting tonight have a look at for me  
> please.

My trusty hammer is in the bag ready to take.

Paul C


From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Wed Oct 28 17:09:50 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:09:50 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Desktop Font
In-Reply-To: <1256E34C-FAD8-470E-9105-F68265C99E41@gotadsl.co.uk>
References: <1256E34C-FAD8-470E-9105-F68265C99E41@gotadsl.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C2EB34AE-765F-4827-96F3-D443448D6EEA@zen.co.uk>

I think Apple in its wisdom has fixed this so its permanent and can't  
be changed but I may be wring.

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 28 Oct 2009, at 12:38, Valerie Mercer wrote:

> Is there a way to change the Desktop font?
>
> Valerie
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From mercer at gotadsl.co.uk  Wed Oct 28 17:25:46 2009
From: mercer at gotadsl.co.uk (Valerie Mercer)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:25:46 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Desktop Font
In-Reply-To: <C2EB34AE-765F-4827-96F3-D443448D6EEA@zen.co.uk>
References: <1256E34C-FAD8-470E-9105-F68265C99E41@gotadsl.co.uk>
	<C2EB34AE-765F-4827-96F3-D443448D6EEA@zen.co.uk>
Message-ID: <D1CEF482-5491-4D65-B669-E570B54DBB12@gotadsl.co.uk>

Thank you, Steven - that would explain why I've failed to find a way  
of doing it!

V
On 28 Oct 2009, at 17:09, Steven Jefferson wrote:

I think Apple in its wisdom has fixed this so its permanent and can't
be changed but I may be wring.

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 28 Oct 2009, at 12:38, Valerie Mercer wrote:

> Is there a way to change the Desktop font?
>
> Valerie
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From tom at tomkershaw.com  Wed Oct 28 20:57:14 2009
From: tom at tomkershaw.com (Tom Kershaw)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:57:14 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Pictures For Commercial Use
In-Reply-To: <A07F0A29-346A-4D3B-BA62-6747C6DDF019@zen.co.uk>
References: <fFg94TJqpjWW.vJ1vp0F5@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>	<B80B4343-AD8D-41F6-87A5-89A88C40C8C5@virgin.net>	<AE49CEAC-68C1-47B5-8577-D2668AFE0371@virgin.net>	<C47F63C8-BF5C-4F41-9DD2-A395D7A68CCC@simonroyal.co.uk>	<889235E8-30C4-4081-A900-E240A52569B5@zen.co.uk>	<4AE78B56.3090704@tomkershaw.com>
	<A07F0A29-346A-4D3B-BA62-6747C6DDF019@zen.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4AE8B02A.6080003@tomkershaw.com>

The bar to entry does lower, but what happens when the camera automation 
fails? - I don't mean mechanical or electronics failure, but when the 
photographic problem or task requires something additional; i.e. human 
input into making technical as well as compositional decisions.

Tom

Steven Jefferson wrote:
> No but you have to shine very brightly above the crowd of others  
> jostling for attention.
>
> The bar to entry ie kit, understanding of the underlying technology  
> etc, barely exists today.
>
> Steven Jefferson
> steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk
>
>
>
> On 28 Oct 2009, at 00:07, Tom Kershaw wrote:
>
>   
>> Technology doesn't negate ability. Otherwise, where do you draw the
>> line, dry plate, sheet film, adoption of 35mm film for stills
>> photography, 1909 or 2009?
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>> Steven Jefferson wrote:
>>     
>>> Simon,
>>>
>>> Trouble is the playing field for photographs is now soooooooo flat  
>>> you
>>> are not only competing against the pros but anybody with a basic
>>> camera and lens, and most are so desperate to get their pictures
>>> published they will virtually give their work away, undermining those
>>> who have to earn a living with their camera. I'm not one of them as I
>>> help a not for profit organisation but the quality from most digital
>>> cameras, and the fact that the camera does virtually everything means
>>> that people don't have to learn their craft nowadays.
>>>
>>> Steven Jefferson
>>> steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 27 Oct 2009, at 21:22, Simon Royal wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>> I am not a professional photographer and do not have expensive
>>>> equipment to capture picture perfect images. I am not trying to put
>>>> professional photographers like yourself and others on the group out
>>>> of business. My images could never compete with those that you
>>>> produce.
>>>>
>>>> My aim is to provide cost-free images to publishers or budding
>>>> publishers without losing all rights to those images.
>>>>
>>>> As a professional designer/publisher who now out of work is  
>>>> looking at
>>>> going freelance, quality stock images are hard to find at a low cost
>>>> or free.
>>>>
>>>> My theory is 'you get what you pay for'.
>>>>
>>>> Simon
>>>>
>>>> On 26 Oct 2009, at 21:31, Martin Fry wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> PS:  If everyone gives away images or sells them cheap they ruin it
>>>>> for the professionals who are expect to make a living by turning  
>>>>> out
>>>>> consistently good images.
>>>>> When publisher buy cheap they expect to buy every image cheap.
>>>>>
>>>>> ( Bolshie old Git, I know!)
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> Simon Royal
>>>> ---
>>>> Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal
>>>> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>>> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>         
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From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Wed Oct 28 21:14:31 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:14:31 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Pictures For Commercial Use
In-Reply-To: <4AE8B02A.6080003@tomkershaw.com>
References: <fFg94TJqpjWW.vJ1vp0F5@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>	<B80B4343-AD8D-41F6-87A5-89A88C40C8C5@virgin.net>	<AE49CEAC-68C1-47B5-8577-D2668AFE0371@virgin.net>	<C47F63C8-BF5C-4F41-9DD2-A395D7A68CCC@simonroyal.co.uk>	<889235E8-30C4-4081-A900-E240A52569B5@zen.co.uk>	<4AE78B56.3090704@tomkershaw.com>
	<A07F0A29-346A-4D3B-BA62-6747C6DDF019@zen.co.uk>
	<4AE8B02A.6080003@tomkershaw.com>
Message-ID: <D1243438-ED92-4D15-952B-73C532E10F2B@zen.co.uk>

Thats the only area left where people can rise above everything else.  
It's a terribly small area.

Seen the wedding shots of the couple who successfully sued the  
photographer? IMHO they should have had all their money back plus  
more. There are people out there purporting to deliver what is clearly  
beyond their capability yet we all have to successfully filter them  
out. Sometimes we don't succeed. Either way its a real pain.

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 28 Oct 2009, at 20:57, Tom Kershaw wrote:

> The bar to entry does lower, but what happens when the camera  
> automation
> fails? - I don't mean mechanical or electronics failure, but when the
> photographic problem or task requires something additional; i.e. human
> input into making technical as well as compositional decisions.
>
> Tom
>
> Steven Jefferson wrote:
>> No but you have to shine very brightly above the crowd of others
>> jostling for attention.
>>
>> The bar to entry ie kit, understanding of the underlying technology
>> etc, barely exists today.
>>
>> Steven Jefferson
>> steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk
>>
>>
>>
>> On 28 Oct 2009, at 00:07, Tom Kershaw wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Technology doesn't negate ability. Otherwise, where do you draw the
>>> line, dry plate, sheet film, adoption of 35mm film for stills
>>> photography, 1909 or 2009?
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>> Steven Jefferson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Simon,
>>>>
>>>> Trouble is the playing field for photographs is now soooooooo flat
>>>> you
>>>> are not only competing against the pros but anybody with a basic
>>>> camera and lens, and most are so desperate to get their pictures
>>>> published they will virtually give their work away, undermining  
>>>> those
>>>> who have to earn a living with their camera. I'm not one of them  
>>>> as I
>>>> help a not for profit organisation but the quality from most  
>>>> digital
>>>> cameras, and the fact that the camera does virtually everything  
>>>> means
>>>> that people don't have to learn their craft nowadays.
>>>>
>>>> Steven Jefferson
>>>> steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 27 Oct 2009, at 21:22, Simon Royal wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Martin
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not a professional photographer and do not have expensive
>>>>> equipment to capture picture perfect images. I am not trying to  
>>>>> put
>>>>> professional photographers like yourself and others on the group  
>>>>> out
>>>>> of business. My images could never compete with those that you
>>>>> produce.
>>>>>
>>>>> My aim is to provide cost-free images to publishers or budding
>>>>> publishers without losing all rights to those images.
>>>>>
>>>>> As a professional designer/publisher who now out of work is
>>>>> looking at
>>>>> going freelance, quality stock images are hard to find at a low  
>>>>> cost
>>>>> or free.
>>>>>
>>>>> My theory is 'you get what you pay for'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Simon
>>>>>
>>>>> On 26 Oct 2009, at 21:31, Martin Fry wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> PS:  If everyone gives away images or sells them cheap they  
>>>>>> ruin it
>>>>>> for the professionals who are expect to make a living by turning
>>>>>> out
>>>>>> consistently good images.
>>>>>> When publisher buy cheap they expect to buy every image cheap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ( Bolshie old Git, I know!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Simon Royal
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal
>>>>> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>>>> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Oct 28 21:25:46 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:25:46 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Pictures For Commercial Use
In-Reply-To: <D1243438-ED92-4D15-952B-73C532E10F2B@zen.co.uk>
References: <fFg94TJqpjWW.vJ1vp0F5@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>	<B80B4343-AD8D-41F6-87A5-89A88C40C8C5@virgin.net>	<AE49CEAC-68C1-47B5-8577-D2668AFE0371@virgin.net>	<C47F63C8-BF5C-4F41-9DD2-A395D7A68CCC@simonroyal.co.uk>	<889235E8-30C4-4081-A900-E240A52569B5@zen.co.uk>	<4AE78B56.3090704@tomkershaw.com>
	<A07F0A29-346A-4D3B-BA62-6747C6DDF019@zen.co.uk>
	<4AE8B02A.6080003@tomkershaw.com>
	<D1243438-ED92-4D15-952B-73C532E10F2B@zen.co.uk>
Message-ID: <35A3BF94-8D3F-4C4A-AC5B-8216ADC859FB@simonroyal.co.uk>

Steven

I know this wasn't a slur on my original point (I hope it wasn't  
anyway).

I don't claim to be a professional photographer. I would barely class  
myself as an amateur.

I am a professional designer/publisher and recognise and appreciate  
good quality professional photos when I see them and also snaps on a  
mobile phone.

I just want to offer high res, large photographs for free (with a  
Common Creatives agreement) to help those in my position and other  
designers and not take away money from those professional  
photographers who rely on people paying for photos as a living.

Simon

On 28 Oct 2009, at 21:14, Steven Jefferson wrote:

> There are people out there purporting to deliver what is clearly
> beyond their capability yet we all have to successfully filter them
> out. Sometimes we don't succeed

Simon Royal
---
Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal 
. Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)









From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Wed Oct 28 21:38:55 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:38:55 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Pictures For Commercial Use
In-Reply-To: <35A3BF94-8D3F-4C4A-AC5B-8216ADC859FB@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <fFg94TJqpjWW.vJ1vp0F5@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>	<B80B4343-AD8D-41F6-87A5-89A88C40C8C5@virgin.net>	<AE49CEAC-68C1-47B5-8577-D2668AFE0371@virgin.net>	<C47F63C8-BF5C-4F41-9DD2-A395D7A68CCC@simonroyal.co.uk>	<889235E8-30C4-4081-A900-E240A52569B5@zen.co.uk>	<4AE78B56.3090704@tomkershaw.com>
	<A07F0A29-346A-4D3B-BA62-6747C6DDF019@zen.co.uk>
	<4AE8B02A.6080003@tomkershaw.com>
	<D1243438-ED92-4D15-952B-73C532E10F2B@zen.co.uk>
	<35A3BF94-8D3F-4C4A-AC5B-8216ADC859FB@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <72EE37ED-6CAC-4B92-98CD-F632CA8C0FFA@zen.co.uk>

Gosh, no slur intended.

I'm just commenting on a view I've held for a long time.

I also see it from the point of view that some mediocre photographers  
can look good simply because they have access to quality kit. I have  
experience of someone in precisely that position who because of  
connections is trying to completely take over something on the grounds  
he is a "professional" photographer, despite not earning a living by  
directly taking photographs, nor being any better than any other  
photographers, mainly experienced amateurs, despite trying to pull the  
wool over some people's eyes.

End of bitter warped and twisted rant!

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 28 Oct 2009, at 21:25, Simon Royal wrote:

> Steven
>
> I know this wasn't a slur on my original point (I hope it wasn't
> anyway).
>
> I don't claim to be a professional photographer. I would barely class
> myself as an amateur.
>
> I am a professional designer/publisher and recognise and appreciate
> good quality professional photos when I see them and also snaps on a
> mobile phone.
>
> I just want to offer high res, large photographs for free (with a
> Common Creatives agreement) to help those in my position and other
> designers and not take away money from those professional
> photographers who rely on people paying for photos as a living.
>
> Simon
>
> On 28 Oct 2009, at 21:14, Steven Jefferson wrote:
>
>> There are people out there purporting to deliver what is clearly
>> beyond their capability yet we all have to successfully filter them
>> out. Sometimes we don't succeed
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal
> . Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From david at vanedwards.co.uk  Wed Oct 28 22:50:54 2009
From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:50:54 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Optical Drive LG Electronics 22x DVDRW Black OEM
In-Reply-To: <4E6223BA-000B-46D9-88D5-E07BF535D8E6@durrant.co.uk>
References: <F3EC2545-B611-4BEB-91C9-95B4FEEE95B5@durrant.co.uk>
	<C32D29E7-437D-470F-B82B-6A8CCA31B040@durrant.co.uk>
	<52D36F28-C7F7-4D4B-88A8-FE7BB0F5B765@mac.com>
	<92434D5E-2D3B-4AF5-98B1-BF5678C3AC48@durrant.co.uk>
	<4365D487-FE7C-4254-8DF6-D6E0E8A7EB27@mac.com>
	<1216991A-0A59-4CE5-B164-FEF69290F43D@durrant.co.uk>
	<4307448A-7580-43D0-A25B-F0EC18CFA4EE@mac.com>
	<6D72E0CA-917C-43EE-9D1F-3E622AAF6293@durrant.co.uk>
	<E75DD5B0-9868-494F-B0F4-544529D4B294@durrant.co.uk>
	<85BDBE22-8F8C-4CCC-8CBE-41F13AD2CD74@gmail.com>
	<BFD645CB-9C02-449D-8E05-FC8DF041C672@mac.com>
	<4E6223BA-000B-46D9-88D5-E07BF535D8E6@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <p06240800c70e730dafbd@[192.168.1.100]>

Dear Paul,

LG Electronics 22x DVDRW Black OEM

You kindly looked up this recommended DVD drive for my G5 tower PPC 
but the Dabs website says that it needs Microsoft OS, is this true?

Software / System Requirements
OS Required
Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional , Microsoft Windows Millennium 
Edition, Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition, Microsoft Windows XP 
Professional, Microsoft Windows Vista
System Requirements Details
Pentium 4 - 1.4 GHz - RAM 512 MB

At the moment I have a PIONEER DVD-RW  DVR-107D which writesCDs and 
DVDs okay but sometimes cannot read them. Not always but several DVDs 
have not been recognised at all even though they work in Thea's iMac.

Best wishes,

David

-- 
The Smokehouse,
6 Whitwell Road,
Norwich,  NR1 4HB      
England.

Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899
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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed Oct 28 22:56:34 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:56:34 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Optical Drive LG Electronics 22x DVDRW Black OEM
In-Reply-To: <p06240800c70e730dafbd@[192.168.1.100]>
References: <F3EC2545-B611-4BEB-91C9-95B4FEEE95B5@durrant.co.uk>
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	<52D36F28-C7F7-4D4B-88A8-FE7BB0F5B765@mac.com>
	<92434D5E-2D3B-4AF5-98B1-BF5678C3AC48@durrant.co.uk>
	<4365D487-FE7C-4254-8DF6-D6E0E8A7EB27@mac.com>
	<1216991A-0A59-4CE5-B164-FEF69290F43D@durrant.co.uk>
	<4307448A-7580-43D0-A25B-F0EC18CFA4EE@mac.com>
	<6D72E0CA-917C-43EE-9D1F-3E622AAF6293@durrant.co.uk>
	<E75DD5B0-9868-494F-B0F4-544529D4B294@durrant.co.uk>
	<85BDBE22-8F8C-4CCC-8CBE-41F13AD2CD74@gmail.com>
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The Dabs website info is incomplete. It'll work fine. Checking reports  
at http://www.xlr8yourmac.com I think you'll need to remove the front  
bezel from the drive, but that's easy to do.

regards,

Paul

On 28 Oct 2009, at 22:50, David Van Edwards wrote:
> LG Electronics 22x DVDRW Black OEM
>
> You kindly looked up this recommended DVD drive for my G5 tower PPC
> but the Dabs website says that it needs Microsoft OS, is this true?
>
> Software / System Requirements
> OS Required
> Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional , Microsoft Windows Millennium
> Edition, Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition, Microsoft Windows XP
> Professional, Microsoft Windows Vista
> System Requirements Details
> Pentium 4 - 1.4 GHz - RAM 512 MB
>
> At the moment I have a PIONEER DVD-RW  DVR-107D which writesCDs and
> DVDs okay but sometimes cannot read them. Not always but several DVDs
> have not been recognised at all even though they work in Thea's iMac.


From david at vanedwards.co.uk  Wed Oct 28 23:27:48 2009
From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:27:48 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Optical Drive LG Electronics 22x DVDRW Black OEM
In-Reply-To: <E9E8560B-6D88-4B02-83CE-48C8A108006A@durrant.co.uk>
References: <F3EC2545-B611-4BEB-91C9-95B4FEEE95B5@durrant.co.uk>
	<C32D29E7-437D-470F-B82B-6A8CCA31B040@durrant.co.uk>
	<52D36F28-C7F7-4D4B-88A8-FE7BB0F5B765@mac.com>
	<92434D5E-2D3B-4AF5-98B1-BF5678C3AC48@durrant.co.uk>
	<4365D487-FE7C-4254-8DF6-D6E0E8A7EB27@mac.com>
	<1216991A-0A59-4CE5-B164-FEF69290F43D@durrant.co.uk>
	<4307448A-7580-43D0-A25B-F0EC18CFA4EE@mac.com>
	<6D72E0CA-917C-43EE-9D1F-3E622AAF6293@durrant.co.uk>
	<E75DD5B0-9868-494F-B0F4-544529D4B294@durrant.co.uk>
	<85BDBE22-8F8C-4CCC-8CBE-41F13AD2CD74@gmail.com>
	<BFD645CB-9C02-449D-8E05-FC8DF041C672@mac.com>
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Message-ID: <p06240801c70e83d59e99@[192.168.1.100]>

How very kind of you! Thanks!

David



>The Dabs website info is incomplete. It'll work fine. Checking reports 
>at http://www.xlr8yourmac.com I think you'll need to remove the front 
>bezel from the drive, but that's easy to do.
>
>regards,
>
>Paul
>
>On 28 Oct 2009, at 22:50, David Van Edwards wrote:
>>  LG Electronics 22x DVDRW Black OEM
>>
>>  You kindly looked up this recommended DVD drive for my G5 tower PPC
>>  but the Dabs website says that it needs Microsoft OS, is this true?
>>
>>  Software / System Requirements
>>  OS Required
>>  Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional , Microsoft Windows Millennium
>>  Edition, Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition, Microsoft Windows XP
>>  Professional, Microsoft Windows Vista
>>  System Requirements Details
>>  Pentium 4 - 1.4 GHz - RAM 512 MB
>>
>>  At the moment I have a PIONEER DVD-RW  DVR-107D which writesCDs and
>>  DVDs okay but sometimes cannot read them. Not always but several DVDs
>>  have not been recognised at all even though they work in Thea's iMac.
>
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From stairbooks at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Oct 28 23:57:00 2009
From: stairbooks at yahoo.co.uk (Stair)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:57:00 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NMUG] Pictures For Commercial Use
In-Reply-To: <72EE37ED-6CAC-4B92-98CD-F632CA8C0FFA@zen.co.uk>
References: <fFg94TJqpjWW.vJ1vp0F5@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
	<B80B4343-AD8D-41F6-87A5-89A88C40C8C5@virgin.net>
	<AE49CEAC-68C1-47B5-8577-D2668AFE0371@virgin.net>
	<C47F63C8-BF5C-4F41-9DD2-A395D7A68CCC@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<889235E8-30C4-4081-A900-E240A52569B5@zen.co.uk>
	<4AE78B56.3090704@tomkershaw.com>
	<A07F0A29-346A-4D3B-BA62-6747C6DDF019@zen.co.uk>
	<4AE8B02A.6080003@tomkershaw.com>
	<D1243438-ED92-4D15-952B-73C532E10F2B@zen.co.uk>
	<35A3BF94-8D3F-4C4A-AC5B-8216ADC859FB@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<72EE37ED-6CAC-4B92-98CD-F632CA8C0FFA@zen.co.uk>
Message-ID: <29340.30620.qm@web26101.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Anyone seen the film Heavens Above where Peter Sellers plays a vicar.

A similar dilemma unfolds.

All the best,
Stair




________________________________
From: Steven Jefferson <steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk>
To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at nmug.org.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, 28 October, 2009 21:38:55
Subject: Re: [NMUG] Pictures For Commercial Use

Gosh, no slur intended.

I'm just commenting on a view I've held for a long time.

I also see it from the point of view that some mediocre photographers  
can look good simply because they have access to quality kit. I have  
experience of someone in precisely that position who because of  
connections is trying to completely take over something on the grounds  
he is a "professional" photographer, despite not earning a living by  
directly taking photographs, nor being any better than any other  
photographers, mainly experienced amateurs, despite trying to pull the  
wool over some people's eyes.

End of bitter warped and twisted rant!

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 28 Oct 2009, at 21:25, Simon Royal wrote:

> Steven
>
> I know this wasn't a slur on my original point (I hope it wasn't
> anyway).
>
> I don't claim to be a professional photographer. I would barely class
> myself as an amateur.
>
> I am a professional designer/publisher and recognise and appreciate
> good quality professional photos when I see them and also snaps on a
> mobile phone.
>
> I just want to offer high res, large photographs for free (with a
> Common Creatives agreement) to help those in my position and other
> designers and not take away money from those professional
> photographers who rely on people paying for photos as a living.
>
> Simon
>
> On 28 Oct 2009, at 21:14, Steven Jefferson wrote:
>
>> There are people out there purporting to deliver what is clearly
>> beyond their capability yet we all have to successfully filter them
>> out. Sometimes we don't succeed
>
> Simon Royal
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From cruachan.beatus at googlemail.com  Thu Oct 29 06:47:25 2009
From: cruachan.beatus at googlemail.com (Campbell)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 06:47:25 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] ONSPEED Finally reacts
Message-ID: <58ab5cce0910282347y6d66f406s50a2d3fcbe10fd14@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Ken,           {Again?}

               The blessed Onspeed finally reacted with something that
looks as if it makes sense, four days after my world fell apart!
                There are two courses of action here. 1)  Don't fix it
if it ain't broke and  2} This programme might just clear out the
final shreds of any maquis, lurking in the undergrowth.
                 Which school do you belong to?
                 At my age, I was taught to be cautious, and I tend
towards school 1) I also have trouble with a bad back  -  it has a
pronounced yellow streak running down it.
                 Do you recommend taking a deep breath and plunging in
the deep end, or cracking on as if personal genius alone had rectified
the situation and modestly accepting the plaudits.
                  Last time to bother you, I promise, although I have
been known to lie a little!!

                                         John

Dear Sir/Madam,


Thank you for your email.

To manually remove ONSPEED from an Apple computer:

1. Log in to the machine with an administrative account.

2. Open the Terminal application by launching ?Finder?, browsing to
?/Applications/Utilities? and launching ?Terminal.app?.

3. In the terminal type the command ?cd /Applications?, and then hit
the <ENTER> key.

4. Type the command ?sudo rm -rf ONSPEED.app?, and then hit the <ENTER> key.

5. Reboot to clear the ONSPEED kernel module from memory.

6. (Optional) Client preferences are kept in
com.slipstream.sp.client.plist files under /Library/Preferences and
~/Library/Preferences (where the tilde sign "~" indicates the home
directory of the user).  To remove these as well, issue the following
commands:

sudo rm -f /Library/Preferences/com.slipstream.sp.client.plist
sudo rm -f ~/Library/Preferences/com.slipstream.sp.client.plist

7. (Optional) To also erase the local copy of the package receipt,
from the shell go to /Library/Receipts, locate the directory matching
the name assigned to the Accelerator at branding time (again, for
example, "ABC
Accelerator.pkg") and remove that as well with:

sudo rm -rf "/Library/Receipts/ONSPEED.pkg"

8. Reboot the computer. ONSPEED is now removed.

9.Once you done Please download Onspeed from
http://download.onspeed.com/bin/en_GB/client/setup.dmg.tar.gz


yours,

ONSPEED Customer Services
- Show quoted text -
Quick Reply

From paul at durrant.co.uk  Thu Oct 29 08:30:34 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:30:34 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] ONSPEED Finally reacts
In-Reply-To: <58ab5cce0910282347y6d66f406s50a2d3fcbe10fd14@mail.gmail.com>
References: <58ab5cce0910282347y6d66f406s50a2d3fcbe10fd14@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <756235DB-9273-4278-B70F-B9D91684345C@durrant.co.uk>

I'm not quite sure why OnSpeed are making you drop into the Teminal  
and issue commands that are potentially dangerous if you mis-type  
them. All of what they suggest can be done from the finder:

On 29 Oct 2009, at 06:47, Campbell wrote:
> 4. Type the command ?sudo rm -rf ONSPEED.app?, and then hit the  
> <ENTER> key.

Delete the ONSPEED application from the Applications folder by  
dragging it to the trash.

> 6. (Optional) Client preferences are kept in
> com.slipstream.sp.client.plist files under /Library/Preferences and
> ~/Library/Preferences (where the tilde sign "~" indicates the home
> directory of the user).  To remove these as well, issue the following
> commands:
>
> sudo rm -f /Library/Preferences/com.slipstream.sp.client.plist
> sudo rm -f ~/Library/Preferences/com.slipstream.sp.client.plist

Go to the /Library/Preferences folder and delete the file  
com.slipstream.sp.client.plist
Go to the Library/Preferences folder inside your home folder and  
delete the file com.slipstream.sp.client.plist

> 7. (Optional) To also erase the local copy of the package receipt,
> from the shell go to /Library/Receipts, locate the directory matching
> the name assigned to the Accelerator at branding time (again, for
> example, "ABC
> Accelerator.pkg") and remove that as well with:
>
> sudo rm -rf "/Library/Receipts/ONSPEED.pkg"
>

Go to /Library/Receipts and delete the file ONSPEED.pkg



Why is "sudo rm -rf  <folder name>" a very dangerous command?

  It says to delete the following folder, and all the files and  
folders inside it, and run as superuser, so you get no warnings about  
permissions. If you type the name of the folder you want to delete,  
all well and good.

But suppose you accidentally slip a space into the path? Perhaps after  
the first /? If you did that, it would delete all the files on your  
disk, without any warnings at all.

regards,

Paul

From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Thu Oct 29 08:51:04 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:51:04 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] ONSPEED Finally reacts
In-Reply-To: <58ab5cce0910282347y6d66f406s50a2d3fcbe10fd14@mail.gmail.com>
References: <58ab5cce0910282347y6d66f406s50a2d3fcbe10fd14@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4AE95778.2050709@stackyard.org>

John,

You probably can't remember now what you deleted when you were deleting 
things to try to get rid of Onspeed.  Was any of it what they have 
described?  Also, I don't know if you are intending to reinstall Onspeed 
(I wouldn't but that's just an opinion).  If the machine is working 
correctly, you shouldn't need to do anything further but there is 
nothing wrong with doing as Paul (rather than Onspeed) suggests as it 
will tidy up the system and remove unnecessary configuration files.  As 
Paul says, Onspeed have instructed you to do things in a potentially 
dangerous way.  When you start using the sudo command, bad things can 
happen and one mistyping can turn your system into a very stylish 
paperweight.

Ken

Campbell wrote:
> Hello Ken,           {Again?}
>
>                The blessed Onspeed finally reacted with something that
> looks as if it makes sense, four days after my world fell apart!
>                 There are two courses of action here. 1)  Don't fix it
> if it ain't broke and  2} This programme might just clear out the
> final shreds of any maquis, lurking in the undergrowth.
>                  Which school do you belong to?
>                  At my age, I was taught to be cautious, and I tend
> towards school 1) I also have trouble with a bad back  -  it has a
> pronounced yellow streak running down it.
>                  Do you recommend taking a deep breath and plunging in
> the deep end, or cracking on as if personal genius alone had rectified
> the situation and modestly accepting the plaudits.
>                   Last time to bother you, I promise, although I have
> been known to lie a little!!
>
>                                          John
>
> Dear Sir/Madam,
>
>
> Thank you for your email.
>
> To manually remove ONSPEED from an Apple computer:
>
> 1. Log in to the machine with an administrative account.
>
> 2. Open the Terminal application by launching ?Finder?, browsing to
> ?/Applications/Utilities? and launching ?Terminal.app?.
>
> 3. In the terminal type the command ?cd /Applications?, and then hit
> the <ENTER> key.
>
> 4. Type the command ?sudo rm -rf ONSPEED.app?, and then hit the <ENTER> key.
>
> 5. Reboot to clear the ONSPEED kernel module from memory.
>
> 6. (Optional) Client preferences are kept in
> com.slipstream.sp.client.plist files under /Library/Preferences and
> ~/Library/Preferences (where the tilde sign "~" indicates the home
> directory of the user).  To remove these as well, issue the following
> commands:
>
> sudo rm -f /Library/Preferences/com.slipstream.sp.client.plist
> sudo rm -f ~/Library/Preferences/com.slipstream.sp.client.plist
>
> 7. (Optional) To also erase the local copy of the package receipt,
> from the shell go to /Library/Receipts, locate the directory matching
> the name assigned to the Accelerator at branding time (again, for
> example, "ABC
> Accelerator.pkg") and remove that as well with:
>
> sudo rm -rf "/Library/Receipts/ONSPEED.pkg"
>
> 8. Reboot the computer. ONSPEED is now removed.
>
> 9.Once you done Please download Onspeed from
> http://download.onspeed.com/bin/en_GB/client/setup.dmg.tar.gz
>
>
> yours,
>
> ONSPEED Customer Services
> - Show quoted text -
> Quick Reply
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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Thu Oct 29 08:59:48 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:59:48 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Backups...
In-Reply-To: <4AE95778.2050709@stackyard.org>
References: <58ab5cce0910282347y6d66f406s50a2d3fcbe10fd14@mail.gmail.com>
	<4AE95778.2050709@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <6FCE94C4-E8B9-4E14-B8C6-9AEE64BFBD9F@durrant.co.uk>


On 29 Oct 2009, at 08:51, Ken Hamer wrote:
> When you start using the sudo command, bad things can
> happen and one mistyping can turn your system into a very stylish
> paperweight.

... until you reinstall the system software and restore your data from  
your backup.

You do all have backups, don't you?

You don't have a backup? None at all? If you're on Leopard, go and buy  
an external firewire hard disk TODAY, and start using it as a Time  
Machine drive. Ask if you need more advice.

There is one sure and certain thing about any hard drive. It will  
break sometime. And then all the data on it will be lost*. Get the  
data backed up, at minimum to another local hard disk.

This has been your irregular Public Data Safety Warning.

regards,

Paul


*Well, it /might/ be possible to recover the data in certain  
circumstances. For a price ranging from a few hundred to a few  
thousand pounds. Get an external Time Machine hard drive now. It's a  
lot less stressful, and cheaper in the long run.

From allanmacam at me.com  Thu Oct 29 09:02:44 2009
From: allanmacam at me.com (Allan)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:02:44 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] ONSPEED Finally reacts
In-Reply-To: <756235DB-9273-4278-B70F-B9D91684345C@durrant.co.uk>
References: <58ab5cce0910282347y6d66f406s50a2d3fcbe10fd14@mail.gmail.com>
	<756235DB-9273-4278-B70F-B9D91684345C@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <98662066-F03D-4C99-BB17-69E2BF31C8F5@me.com>

I agree with Paul. Odd set of instructions to give to a consumer when,  
if thew files are visible, the Finder option works just as well.

Just as point of interest though, instead of typing these esoteric  
looking commands, you could always copy paste them into a Terminal  
window - Making sure you don't copy only the command and nothing else.

AJ


On 29 Oct 2009, at 08:30, Paul Durrant wrote:

> But suppose you accidentally slip a space into the path? Perhaps after
> the first /? If you did that, it would delete all the files on your
> disk, without any warnings at all.


From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Thu Oct 29 09:15:31 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:15:31 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] ONSPEED Finally reacts
In-Reply-To: <98662066-F03D-4C99-BB17-69E2BF31C8F5@me.com>
References: <58ab5cce0910282347y6d66f406s50a2d3fcbe10fd14@mail.gmail.com>	<756235DB-9273-4278-B70F-B9D91684345C@durrant.co.uk>
	<98662066-F03D-4C99-BB17-69E2BF31C8F5@me.com>
Message-ID: <4AE95D33.20902@stackyard.org>

Agreed but the sudo command for the deletion of these files shouldn't 
really be necessary unless said files have restricted 
permissions/ownership (it's possible).

Allan wrote:
> I agree with Paul. Odd set of instructions to give to a consumer when,  
> if thew files are visible, the Finder option works just as well.
>
> Just as point of interest though, instead of typing these esoteric  
> looking commands, you could always copy paste them into a Terminal  
> window - Making sure you don't copy only the command and nothing else.
>
> AJ
>
>
> On 29 Oct 2009, at 08:30, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
>   
>> But suppose you accidentally slip a space into the path? Perhaps after
>> the first /? If you did that, it would delete all the files on your
>> disk, without any warnings at all.
>>     
>
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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Thu Oct 29 09:19:06 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:19:06 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] ebooks and Macs
Message-ID: <753EFBCD-C2EA-401F-86E5-C353CF2EF3A5@durrant.co.uk>

As promised, I brought along some ebook readers to show at the group  
meeting last night. The all connect up fine to Macs, connecting via  
the USB Mass Storage protocol (i.e. like memory sticks), for copying  
ebooks on to them.

Although still in the "early adopter" phase (i.e. relatively high  
price, and with some limitations), if you like to read a lot, an ebook  
reader might suit you.

Lots of information and discussion about ebooks and ebook readers can  
be found at the Mobileread forums http://www.mobileread.com/ and the  
associated wiki http://wiki.mobileread.com/

regards,

Paul


From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com  Thu Oct 29 13:51:03 2009
From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (Simon Bainbridge)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:51:03 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Leopard disks
Message-ID: <8BE7B840-975F-45DB-B1DE-F20718FFDF37@googlemail.com>

For all the people who were after genuine OSX Leopard & OSX Tiger  
disks a great place to look is on Ebay. As people sell off their old  
disks after buying OSX Snow Leopard.

Here is an example below -
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Apple-Genuine-Software-Mac-OS-X-Leopard-10-5-UK-Retail_W0QQitemZ290361877364QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Computing_Software_Software_SR?hash=item439aeaa374#ht_1127wt_1167

Cheers

Simon Bainbridge

From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Oct 29 14:11:44 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:11:44 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Flickr & Creative Commons
Message-ID: <5450D9C3-4CC1-42EC-9E0D-08EC0221F490@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

After my recent dig into protecting your own photos online, Paul  
directed me to the Creative Commons.

I tried setting up a photo gallery on PhotoBucket but could not find  
anywhere to include a license tag. If you are using Flickr it seems  
they have it already built in and you can choose directly within  
Flickr the type of license you require and set it to all your photos.

Pretty good I thought. I know a number of you use Flickr. I have for a  
while, but I never found this function before.

Simon Royal
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Site: http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal 
. Skype: Simon-Royal. (PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive, Mac OSX 10.5)









From paul at durrant.co.uk  Thu Oct 29 14:57:46 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:57:46 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Good homes needed for Macs
Message-ID: <C55E38B9-1038-4549-AEF3-70D1F3ABBBBE@durrant.co.uk>

Peter James has a couple of Macs that need new homes. He's part of the  
Recycle-PC project. The project provides computers to those without  
computers:

> To apply for a computer you must be able to provide proof that you
> are :
>
> Registered Disabled
>
> In receipt of an Old Age Pension
>
> In receipt of a benefit and unable financially to afford a computer.
>
> A charitable organisation or community based project.
>
> We will not consider people who already have a computer, we do not
> supply upgrades. We do not supply second computers so as the kids
> will leave yours alone.

So - does anyone know of someone who meets the bill? If so, please  
contact Peter: Interjay2 at btinternet.com


Thanks,

Paul

From penguinsplj at me.com  Thu Oct 29 17:59:37 2009
From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:59:37 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] AirPort Extreme Base Station questions
Message-ID: <F30DF7F9-3EA8-46FE-B65A-02E2FF2FFC7A@me.com>

This is where I show my ignorance, networks and things are still a  
mystery to me although I seem to have got a few to work. My LinkSys  
wireless router seems to stop sending a signal out occasionally and  
the only way to get it back is to turn it off, wait about 5 minutes  
and then turn it back on again. Any sooner and it usually fails to  
start up with all the right lights. Also we have a few power cuts in  
the village and if the router goes off you have to physically push the  
button to start it up again whereas my iMac will automatically restart  
and get me back to where I was.

I have an old Airport Extreme Base Station, one of the rounded bump  
things which came with a collection of equipment I bought a few years  
ago but what I didn't realise at the time was that this just allowed a  
wireless connection/network to be created and I still needed the  
internet connection part...is that what is called a router? What I was  
wondering is does the latest Airport Extreme Base Station, the square  
one, need a router attached (if that is the correct word) or is it  
built in? I looked at the Apple site but my ignorance of the  
terminology means I am still not sure. If it is all in the one box is  
there a good reason why I shouldn't get one other than it seems to be  
more expensive than other wireless routers? Does it do more than the  
other routers?

After all that, what can I do with this old Base Station?

Paul C

From thegees at jennygee.f2s.com  Thu Oct 29 18:18:08 2009
From: thegees at jennygee.f2s.com (Malcolm Gee)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:18:08 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] AirPort Extreme Base Station questions
In-Reply-To: <F30DF7F9-3EA8-46FE-B65A-02E2FF2FFC7A@me.com>
References: <F30DF7F9-3EA8-46FE-B65A-02E2FF2FFC7A@me.com>
Message-ID: <5F56F379-0102-479E-B20D-6167CC0C54C5@jennygee.f2s.com>

Hi Paul,

You will need a separate router to access the internet via an Apple  
Airport Extreme Base station. However it has a built in USB port  
which can be configured to enable direct access to a hard drive or  
printer for any connected computers!!!

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Malcolm.


On 29 Oct 2009, at 17:59, Paul Chapman wrote:

> This is where I show my ignorance, networks and things are still a
> mystery to me although I seem to have got a few to work. My LinkSys
> wireless router seems to stop sending a signal out occasionally and
> the only way to get it back is to turn it off, wait about 5 minutes
> and then turn it back on again. Any sooner and it usually fails to
> start up with all the right lights. Also we have a few power cuts in
> the village and if the router goes off you have to physically push the
> button to start it up again whereas my iMac will automatically restart
> and get me back to where I was.
>
> I have an old Airport Extreme Base Station, one of the rounded bump
> things which came with a collection of equipment I bought a few years
> ago but what I didn't realise at the time was that this just allowed a
> wireless connection/network to be created and I still needed the
> internet connection part...is that what is called a router? What I was
> wondering is does the latest Airport Extreme Base Station, the square
> one, need a router attached (if that is the correct word) or is it
> built in? I looked at the Apple site but my ignorance of the
> terminology means I am still not sure. If it is all in the one box is
> there a good reason why I shouldn't get one other than it seems to be
> more expensive than other wireless routers? Does it do more than the
> other routers?
>
> After all that, what can I do with this old Base Station?
>
> Paul C
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
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> listinfo/nmug
>


From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Thu Oct 29 20:24:16 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:24:16 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] AirPort Extreme Base Station questions
In-Reply-To: <5F56F379-0102-479E-B20D-6167CC0C54C5@jennygee.f2s.com>
Message-ID: <C70FAA70.30AD7%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

I have one and its fine - but the printer utility is not available via
Airport shared printing on Leopard. I have to replug Canon printer in
directly to use utility.
I don't know if that is generally true for wireless shared printing or just
Apple's peculiarity.

all the best
Brian


Malcolm Gee said recently:

> Hi Paul,
> 
> You will need a separate router to access the internet via an Apple
> Airport Extreme Base station. However it has a built in USB port
> which can be configured to enable direct access to a hard drive or
> printer for any connected computers!!!
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Malcolm.
> 
> 
> On 29 Oct 2009, at 17:59, Paul Chapman wrote:
> 
>> This is where I show my ignorance, networks and things are still a
>> mystery to me although I seem to have got a few to work. My LinkSys
>> wireless router seems to stop sending a signal out occasionally and
>> the only way to get it back is to turn it off, wait about 5 minutes
>> and then turn it back on again. Any sooner and it usually fails to
>> start up with all the right lights. Also we have a few power cuts in
>> the village and if the router goes off you have to physically push the
>> button to start it up again whereas my iMac will automatically restart
>> and get me back to where I was.
>> 
>> I have an old Airport Extreme Base Station, one of the rounded bump
>> things which came with a collection of equipment I bought a few years
>> ago but what I didn't realise at the time was that this just allowed a
>> wireless connection/network to be created and I still needed the
>> internet connection part...is that what is called a router? What I was
>> wondering is does the latest Airport Extreme Base Station, the square
>> one, need a router attached (if that is the correct word) or is it
>> built in? I looked at the Apple site but my ignorance of the
>> terminology means I am still not sure. If it is all in the one box is
>> there a good reason why I shouldn't get one other than it seems to be
>> more expensive than other wireless routers? Does it do more than the
>> other routers?
>> 
>> After all that, what can I do with this old Base Station?
>> 
>> Paul C
>> _______________________________________________
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>> 
> 
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From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Fri Oct 30 00:01:51 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:01:51 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] AirPort Extreme Base Station questions
In-Reply-To: <F30DF7F9-3EA8-46FE-B65A-02E2FF2FFC7A@me.com>
References: <F30DF7F9-3EA8-46FE-B65A-02E2FF2FFC7A@me.com>
Message-ID: <4AEA2CEF.1010200@stackyard.org>

Paul,

Sorry for the slow, lengthy response to this.  There are routers and 
routers.  An ADSL router has an integrated ADSL modem which can talk to 
a piece of equipment at the telephone exchange over the telephone line 
to give you an internet connection.  It then passes that internet 
connection around to any network devices on its local area network, 
either wired or wirelessly if it's a wireless router.  A Broadband 
router, on the other hand, passes on an existing network connection from 
one local area network to another but doesn't have the internal modem.  
These are usually used with cable broadband connections where the cable 
company supplies a cable modem which is then plugged into the broadband 
router which hands around the cable-supplied internet connection.

Airport Extreme Base Stations are, in effect broadband routers and have 
no ADSL modem so need an ADSL or cable modem.  However, older ones did 
have a dial-up modem which could initiate a dial-up connection if the 
ADSL or cable modem supplying the internet connection failed.

So it's probably best to put the Linksys in a skip.  It sounds like it 
has had its day although you might want to first see if there is a 
firmware update available for it, but if the router used to work and is 
now flaky, the firmware is probably not the issue - it's just a broken 
router.

The new Airport Extreme is also a broadband router and has no modem.  
Rather than get an Airport Extreme, you might find it  cheaper to get a 
standard ADSL router - wireless if wireless is useful to you, although 
the Airport Extreme does give you the option of network printing which 
most ADSL routers do not.  However, as Brian has pointed out, your 
mileage may vary on this option with some printers not being compatible.

There are literally hundreds of ADSL routers available.  I used to like 
Netgear but now I like Thompson instead.  You could use the old Airport 
Extreme as a wireless extender or network print server but are you sure 
of it's reliability.  What is it's provenance?  If it's OK, you could 
just buy a cheap ADSL Ethernet modem to plug into it (a Thompson one 
costs about ?25).

The strict definition of a router is a device which ROUTES network 
traffic between one network and another.

Ken

Paul Chapman wrote:
> This is where I show my ignorance, networks and things are still a  
> mystery to me although I seem to have got a few to work. My LinkSys  
> wireless router seems to stop sending a signal out occasionally and  
> the only way to get it back is to turn it off, wait about 5 minutes  
> and then turn it back on again. Any sooner and it usually fails to  
> start up with all the right lights. Also we have a few power cuts in  
> the village and if the router goes off you have to physically push the  
> button to start it up again whereas my iMac will automatically restart  
> and get me back to where I was.
>
> I have an old Airport Extreme Base Station, one of the rounded bump  
> things which came with a collection of equipment I bought a few years  
> ago but what I didn't realise at the time was that this just allowed a  
> wireless connection/network to be created and I still needed the  
> internet connection part...is that what is called a router? What I was  
> wondering is does the latest Airport Extreme Base Station, the square  
> one, need a router attached (if that is the correct word) or is it  
> built in? I looked at the Apple site but my ignorance of the  
> terminology means I am still not sure. If it is all in the one box is  
> there a good reason why I shouldn't get one other than it seems to be  
> more expensive than other wireless routers? Does it do more than the  
> other routers?
>
> After all that, what can I do with this old Base Station?
>
> Paul C
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
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>   

From cruachan.beatus at googlemail.com  Fri Oct 30 06:54:26 2009
From: cruachan.beatus at googlemail.com (Campbell)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 06:54:26 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Onspeed Debacle
Message-ID: <58ab5cce0910292354s6ea7e306xd2a42724054a297b@mail.gmail.com>

Hello again Ken,
                         Plus Paul and Alan, in the guise of the
United States Cavalry.

                         I think that I have finally got the message.

                         Onspeed has gone to the big trash basket in the sky.

                         As you remarked, Ken, I must, during
desperate periods of the four days, have actioned at least some of the
potentially dangerous Onspeed suggestions. I should have kept written
records, I suppose.

                         Nonetheless, all's well that ends well, as
Granny would have said. Mind you, she was prone to say also, that
every cloud has a silver lining, but I'm still waiting its arrival.

                          Many, MANY thanks to you three musketeers.
Take bars to your MBE's

                                                     John
P.S.  I have, since, also successfully completed the move from AOL to
Plusnet. Maybe that's the Silver Lining !


From: Ken Hamer <ken.hamer at stackyard.org>
To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at nmug.org.uk>
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:51:04 +0000
Subject: Re: [NMUG] ONSPEED Finally reacts
John,

You probably can't remember now what you deleted when you were
deleting things to try to get rid of Onspeed.  Was any of it what they
have described?  Also, I don't know if you are intending to reinstall
Onspeed (I wouldn't but that's just an opinion).  If the machine is
working correctly, you shouldn't need to do anything further but there
is nothing wrong with doing as Paul (rather than Onspeed) suggests as
it will tidy up the system and remove unnecessary configuration files.
 As Paul says, Onspeed have instructed you to do things in a
potentially dangerous way.  When you start using the sudo command, bad
things can happen and one mistyping can turn your system into a very
stylish paperweight.

Ken

Campbell wrote:
Hello Ken,           {Again?}

              The blessed Onspeed finally reacted with something that
looks as if it makes sense, four days after my world fell apart!
               There are two courses of action here. 1)  Don't fix it
if it ain't broke and  2} This programme might just clear out the
final shreds of any maquis, lurking in the undergrowth.
                Which school do you belong to?
                At my age, I was taught to be cautious, and I tend
towards school 1) I also have trouble with a bad back  -  it has a
pronounced yellow streak running down it.
                Do you recommend taking a deep breath and plunging in
the deep end, or cracking on as if personal genius alone had rectified
the situation and modestly accepting the plaudits.
                 Last time to bother you, I promise, although I have
been known to lie a little!!

                                        John

From nathan.crosby at virgin.net  Fri Oct 30 08:36:22 2009
From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:36:22 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] AirPort Extreme Base Station questions
In-Reply-To: <F30DF7F9-3EA8-46FE-B65A-02E2FF2FFC7A@me.com>
References: <F30DF7F9-3EA8-46FE-B65A-02E2FF2FFC7A@me.com>
Message-ID: <19C31CBF-E30A-410A-A971-33542A6DFD38@virgin.net>

Paul. I share your cloudiness where networks are concerned.

I have the same Airport base station as you and a Netgear router  
(supplied free, as far as I can remember, by Virgin)
It resets itself after power cuts without a problem. I have an elderly  
Epson printer plugged in to the
base station.

When I am working downstairs on my Macbook, I press the print button  
and I hear
the printer merrily printing away upstairs. White man's magic!

regards Nathan

On 29 Oct 2009, at 17:59, Paul Chapman wrote:

>
>
> After all that, what can I do with this old Base Station?
>
> Paul C
> _______________________________________________
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From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net  Fri Oct 30 09:20:49 2009
From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:20:49 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Photo not appearing in order taken after rotating
Message-ID: <1B08282C-D85C-4318-AEC6-28DAF1315DD7@virgin.net>

Hello,

I raise this question at last Wednesday meeting, and I believe it's  
been asked before.
When I download images from camera and view then in the basic Mac view  
- Preview,
they appear in the order taken. I ensure before rotating that they  
appear in numerical
order (and not date order as this changes after rotating). However,  
when I rotate the ones
that should be 'portrait' they no longer appear in their correct order  
when played on my DVD player.
Any suggestions, please?

Ken Arnoldi 

From penguinsplj at me.com  Fri Oct 30 09:32:20 2009
From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:32:20 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Photo not appearing in order taken after rotating
In-Reply-To: <1B08282C-D85C-4318-AEC6-28DAF1315DD7@virgin.net>
References: <1B08282C-D85C-4318-AEC6-28DAF1315DD7@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <1B6634ED-8783-4FCE-8DCF-D0E1AEEFBFF2@me.com>


On Oct 30, 2009, at 09:20, Ken Arnoldi wrote:

> Any suggestions, please?

What was the outcome when you tried what was suggested on Wednesday?

Paul C


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Fri Oct 30 09:43:07 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:43:07 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Photo not appearing in order taken after rotating
In-Reply-To: <1B08282C-D85C-4318-AEC6-28DAF1315DD7@virgin.net>
References: <1B08282C-D85C-4318-AEC6-28DAF1315DD7@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <26695CF5-1AF3-4765-89C6-871B97EC19CD@durrant.co.uk>

Since it seems likely that it's actually your DVD player that's using  
the modification or creation dates to set the display order, I'd  
suggest working on changing the creation/modification dates back again.

"A Better Finder Attributes" allows you to set the creation date to  
the date the picture was taken (as cameras store that in the JPEG  
file), and then set the modification date to the creation date.

That should fix your problem.

http://www.publicspace.net/ABetterFinderAttributes/

?14.95

regards,

Paul

On 30 Oct 2009, at 09:20, Ken Arnoldi wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I raise this question at last Wednesday meeting, and I believe it's
> been asked before.
> When I download images from camera and view then in the basic Mac view
> - Preview,
> they appear in the order taken. I ensure before rotating that they
> appear in numerical
> order (and not date order as this changes after rotating). However,
> when I rotate the ones
> that should be 'portrait' they no longer appear in their correct order
> when played on my DVD player.
> Any suggestions, please?
>
> Ken Arnoldi
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
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From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net  Fri Oct 30 09:44:15 2009
From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:44:15 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Photo not appearing in order taken after rotating
In-Reply-To: <1B6634ED-8783-4FCE-8DCF-D0E1AEEFBFF2@me.com>
References: <1B08282C-D85C-4318-AEC6-28DAF1315DD7@virgin.net>
	<1B6634ED-8783-4FCE-8DCF-D0E1AEEFBFF2@me.com>
Message-ID: <8F6F2D20-50DC-42CD-AB56-2442003B7873@virgin.net>

Thanks Paul.
I made sure that they were displayed in 'P' order and not date order,  
as I think you suggested.
I've now tried a clumsy way of changing the current date back to the  
shooting date, doing the
rotation and changing back to the current date. Of course, at the  
moment the date on the rotated pics
reads 'today"!  But I will see what happens tomorrow. If date reads  
correctly I will make CD for DVD player.

Ken

On 30 Oct 2009, at 09:32, Paul Chapman wrote:

> What was the outcome when you tried what was suggested on Wednesday?


From penguinsplj at me.com  Fri Oct 30 09:50:24 2009
From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:50:24 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] AirPort Extreme Base Station questions
In-Reply-To: <4AEA2CEF.1010200@stackyard.org>
References: <F30DF7F9-3EA8-46FE-B65A-02E2FF2FFC7A@me.com>
	<4AEA2CEF.1010200@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <58911B21-B026-4EF5-A041-E46F7C1BF1E9@me.com>


On Oct 30, 2009, at 00:01, Ken Hamer wrote:

> Sorry for the slow, lengthy response to this.

Thank you for the full explanation, things are a little clearer now  
and hopefully the fast retreating brain cells might remember some of it.

A while back people talked about firmware updates for their routers so  
I checked and there wasn't any for my particular model, it is as up to  
date as it could be although it is a few years old now.

The printer thing isn't a problem, downstairs my iMac has a printer  
attached and upstairs my wife's iMac also has a printer. We can both  
print to either if we wish to and don't need another one that is  
remote from either computer.

The old Airport Base Station is still boxed and untested, in fact the  
paperwork/manual/discs pack appears unopened still. maybe I will  
utilise it by getting that Thompson ADSL Ethernet modem (non wireless)  
you mentioned. Before I do a search, is there a place you recommend  
buying it?


I find it surprising that Apple don't appear to sell something that  
will do the job, is there a reason why they don't have it in their  
Base Stations? Years ago they were happy to have dial up modems as  
standard in all their machines.

thanks again,

Paul C




From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Fri Oct 30 12:50:28 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:50:28 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] AirPort Extreme Base Station questions
In-Reply-To: <58911B21-B026-4EF5-A041-E46F7C1BF1E9@me.com>
References: <F30DF7F9-3EA8-46FE-B65A-02E2FF2FFC7A@me.com>	<4AEA2CEF.1010200@stackyard.org>
	<58911B21-B026-4EF5-A041-E46F7C1BF1E9@me.com>
Message-ID: <4AEAE114.7040201@stackyard.org>

Have a look at 
http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop/ShopDetail.asp?ProductID=2455 which 
is a simple single-port Ethernet modem which works fine.  It has one 
Ethernet port which can plug into the Airport Extreme.  I don't know how 
many Ethernet ports your particular Airport Extreme has but it's 
probably 2 so you will be left with one to use for the Mac.  Is this 
enough for your setup?  If not, you might want to get a router with more 
Ethernet ports.

I don't know why Apple don't include an ADSL modem in the base stations 
but it's probably because the technology is slightly country-dependant, 
changeable and, in the States at least, a lot of people use television 
cable and not ADSL (Asymmetric Digital Subscriber Line).  I recently had 
to deal with Verizon (the north-east American equivalent to BT) to get 
my parents an ADSL connection in their new home.  Despite their hype and 
assurances, it was like I had asked them to provide an internet 
connection to the moon.  Had I known of the difficulties, I would have 
gone with ComCast, their local cable company, and it (probably) would 
have been straightforward.

Ken

Paul Chapman wrote:
> On Oct 30, 2009, at 00:01, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
>   
>> Sorry for the slow, lengthy response to this.
>>     
>
> Thank you for the full explanation, things are a little clearer now  
> and hopefully the fast retreating brain cells might remember some of it.
>
> A while back people talked about firmware updates for their routers so  
> I checked and there wasn't any for my particular model, it is as up to  
> date as it could be although it is a few years old now.
>
> The printer thing isn't a problem, downstairs my iMac has a printer  
> attached and upstairs my wife's iMac also has a printer. We can both  
> print to either if we wish to and don't need another one that is  
> remote from either computer.
>
> The old Airport Base Station is still boxed and untested, in fact the  
> paperwork/manual/discs pack appears unopened still. maybe I will  
> utilise it by getting that Thompson ADSL Ethernet modem (non wireless)  
> you mentioned. Before I do a search, is there a place you recommend  
> buying it?
>
>
> I find it surprising that Apple don't appear to sell something that  
> will do the job, is there a reason why they don't have it in their  
> Base Stations? Years ago they were happy to have dial up modems as  
> standard in all their machines.
>
> thanks again,
>
> Paul C
>
>
>
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From julianbarry.webb at virgin.net  Fri Oct 30 18:29:08 2009
From: julianbarry.webb at virgin.net (JULIAN WEBB)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:29:08 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Help! Mail 1.3.11 won't launch
Message-ID: <659f0050910301129y223db906k659735463eadbe3@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all

My first posting, after a few years of admiration and enjoyment at the ways
you NMUG experts manage to solve complicated problems. I'm hoping my problem
is relatively simple!

I'm sending this via Virgin webmail as my Mail app started crashing about
11pm last night, and cannot be coaxed into behaving itself. Simon (Royal, of
course, who else?) helped me update my G3/350 MHz/320 MB SDRAM slot loader
iMac in August, bringing it closer to its maximum performance level; it has
worked well (within its limitations) on Virgin ADSL broadband, with very few
small glitches along the way.

Mail 1.3.11 has never given any serious trouble before; the first signs came
when the Inbox window showed 'Connecting to server' (and the turning cog
wheel in the Toolbar) but nothing else happened. After various attempts to
connect, there was a freeze and I had to Force Quit Mail (and, later, Force
Quit by Power Off); at some point I recall the arrival of 2 emails, the
first of which I had already received and read some 4 hours previously. On
opening it to check, I noticed various changes (eg to the font of the
incoming message) in comparison with the previous version. Each attempt to
launch Mail was now producing a brief appearance of the Inbox window (blank)
followed by the dialog box helpfully explaining that Mail had 'quit
unexpectedly' and inviting me to submit a Bug report to Apple.  Shutting
down the iMac for a few minutes, and overnight, has made no difference.

I've looked today at various apple discussion threads relating to similar
problems, without understanding much of the time. As I'm completely
self-taught and definitely not tech-savvy, I would not be able to carry out
most of the actions that were suggested anyway! It does look as though
helpful information can be gleaned from the Mail Crash Report, which I
located; here is the extract re my latest crash (not certain if I've copied
quite enough - there's yards more if needed!):

Date/Time:      2009-10-30 15:22:58 +0000
OS Version:     10.3.9 (Build 7W98)
Report Version: 2

Command: Mail
Path:    /Applications/Mail.app/Contents/MacOS/Mail
Version: 1.3.11 (622)
PID:     520
Thread:  3

Exception:  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Code[0]:    0x0000000a
Code[1]:    0x001ff000


Thread 0:
0   libSystem.B.dylib              0x90007878 mach_msg_trap + 0x8
1   libSystem.B.dylib              0x900073f8 mach_msg + 0x38
2   com.apple.CoreFoundation       0x901c2258 __CFRunLoopRun + 0x350
3   com.apple.CoreFoundation       0x901c69e4 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 0x148
4   com.apple.HIToolbox            0x92886e10 RunCurrentEventLoopInMode +
0xac
5   com.apple.HIToolbox            0x9288d53c ReceiveNextEventCommon + 0x17c
6   com.apple.HIToolbox            0x928af638
BlockUntilNextEventMatchingListInMode + 0x60
7   com.apple.AppKit               0x92e82248 _DPSNextEvent + 0x180
8   com.apple.AppKit               0x92e98cc8 -[NSApplication
nextEventMatchingMask:untilDate:inMode:dequeue:] + 0x74
9   com.apple.AppKit               0x92ead048 -[NSApplication run] + 0x21c
10  com.apple.AppKit               0x92f69764 NSApplicationMain + 0x1d0
11  com.apple.mail                 0x0000ed3c 0x1000 + 0xdd3c
12  com.apple.mail                 0x0003dc34 0x1000 + 0x3cc34


I spent some of yesterday afternoon on car insurance comparison sites; their
quotes duly arrived in my Inbox. Otherwise my email activity has been as
normal.

I would be really grateful for any help in overcoming the problem,
especially if any member felt they could drop round and do the necessary on
my machine! (Tea, coffee, stronger drinks etc can be provided; I live in
NR2, close to Newmarket Road in Norwich, tel 01603 259364.)

All the best
Julian

From julianbarry.webb at virgin.net  Fri Oct 30 22:20:27 2009
From: julianbarry.webb at virgin.net (Julian Webb)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:20:27 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Help! Mail 1.3.11 won't launch
Message-ID: <3300b0be0201f5d469200953477ba7d4@virgin.net>

Hi again

Apologies for hitting the panic button too early - my son suggested a 
Safe Boot might do some good, and hey presto! Mail is back. All seems 
to be OK, though I've no idea what upset it; my goodness it is so many 
streets ahead of Virgin web mail that it's almost out of sight!

If anyone can advise how to avoid this crashing tendency, I would be 
most grateful.

Julian


From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Sat Oct 31 01:16:41 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 01:16:41 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Help! Mail 1.3.11 won't launch
In-Reply-To: <3300b0be0201f5d469200953477ba7d4@virgin.net>
References: <3300b0be0201f5d469200953477ba7d4@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <4AEB8FF9.9020902@stackyard.org>

Hmmm.  This looks like it could be lots of things - certainly people are 
reporting various diverse, unrelated fixes, or no fixes at all.  When 
you say that mail is back, is this just in safe mode or is it OK when 
the machine boots normally?

Some people are reporting RAM issues - was it the RAM that got increased 
in August?  If so, where did the RAM come from?

Some people report issues with fonts - it's interesting that the font 
changed on some email messages.

Some people report issues with plugins - what happens if you type "ls 
-la ~/Library/Mail/Bundles" (without quotes)?

Ken


Julian Webb wrote:
> Hi again
>
> Apologies for hitting the panic button too early - my son suggested a 
> Safe Boot might do some good, and hey presto! Mail is back. All seems 
> to be OK, though I've no idea what upset it; my goodness it is so many 
> streets ahead of Virgin web mail that it's almost out of sight!
>
> If anyone can advise how to avoid this crashing tendency, I would be 
> most grateful.
>
> Julian
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   

From robharrington at mac.com  Sat Oct 31 09:29:35 2009
From: robharrington at mac.com (ROB HARRINGTON)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:29:35 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Is This A Problem?
Message-ID: <5B015870-EA25-46F2-89C9-0A7FEE37AB14@mac.com>

- In homage to the philosophy exam paper -' Is this a question? ' *

my idisk.
I put a file in my public folder without checking its size. It was  
slightly over my allocation. (At the same time I had to upgrade my  
allocation with isp - plusnet.)
So my idisk was spending ages synchronising when the file was too  
large, and, after I removed the file and stopped the synchronising,  
the idisk now just keeps displaying that it is stopping.
What is the correct way to deal with this?

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob

*- the clever dick , who allegedly got top marks, just wrote ' If it  
is, then this is the answer '




From munkt0n at gmail.com  Sat Oct 31 10:21:33 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:21:33 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] MacHeist is back
Message-ID: <ac224bde0910310321l1cae64dasb110f2ef17dc3c5a@mail.gmail.com>

MacHeist is back again, if you haven't played it, it's a series of
puzzles that offer free Mac software when you solve them.

I've just received a free copy of 'daisy disk' http://www.daisydiskapp.com/

see http://www.macheist.com for details

-- 
:wq

From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com  Sat Oct 31 11:06:21 2009
From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:06:21 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Floppy disk reader
Message-ID: <9A2277D9-E8AE-4E00-824B-119AEF6E66A9@gmail.com>

A friend has asked if I can come up with a device that she can plug  
into her iMac that will allow her to transfer the data stored on  
floppy disks. Can anyone help please?
Richard Stewart
rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com




From rrandlesome at mac.com  Sat Oct 31 11:14:58 2009
From: rrandlesome at mac.com (Richard Randlesome)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:14:58 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Floppy disk reader
In-Reply-To: <9A2277D9-E8AE-4E00-824B-119AEF6E66A9@gmail.com>
References: <9A2277D9-E8AE-4E00-824B-119AEF6E66A9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A550C7B4-BFA6-40B6-B3A6-D5720C219079@mac.com>

Iomega do a USB floppy drive for around ?30.00.

http://go.iomega.com/en/products/removable-storage/floppy-drives/

Regards

Richard


On 31 Oct 2009, at 11:06, Richard Stewart wrote:

> A friend has asked if I can come up with a device that she can plug
> into her iMac that will allow her to transfer the data stored on
> floppy disks. Can anyone help please?
> Richard Stewart
> rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ 
> listinfo/nmug


From julianbarry.webb at virgin.net  Sat Oct 31 11:32:33 2009
From: julianbarry.webb at virgin.net (Julian Webb)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:32:33 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Help! Mail 1.3.11 won't launch
In-Reply-To: <4AEB8FF9.9020902@stackyard.org>
References: <3300b0be0201f5d469200953477ba7d4@virgin.net>
	<4AEB8FF9.9020902@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <2d9c1ed2f6c91554d1d907c40bc682b4@virgin.net>

Hi Ken

Sorry, I should have made it clear - Mail now launches and operates 
properly from a normal boot.

No RAM was added in August, or since; I know more would be desirable 
but I'm seeing how the iMac goes without extra.

Both before and since my updating I've noticed fonts in incoming emails 
are sometimes changed by the time I've stored and then reopened the 
messages; I've never been troubled by this, and thought it was probably 
caused by the originator using Simple Text (or its darkside 
equivalent). Only one message (the one that arrived twice) behaved in 
this way; previous messages from the same sender have usually done this 
too. No other font problems spotted by me.

Re plugins: I used pluginchecker.com (on Simon's suggestion) after my 
update and again just now, and all plugins that should be there are 
ticked and working, as is the Java version (1.4.2). When I type in your 
line in the search box in the  Macintosh HD search window nothing 
appears; naturally all sorts of exciting things turn up when I type it 
into Google.....  I'm sorry I don't understand sufficiently - where did 
you intend me to type it?

Julian

On 31 Oct 2009, at 01:16, Ken Hamer wrote:

> Hmmm.  This looks like it could be lots of things - certainly people 
> are
> reporting various diverse, unrelated fixes, or no fixes at all.  When
> you say that mail is back, is this just in safe mode or is it OK when
> the machine boots normally?
>
> Some people are reporting RAM issues - was it the RAM that got 
> increased
> in August?  If so, where did the RAM come from?
>
> Some people report issues with fonts - it's interesting that the font
> changed on some email messages.
>
> Some people report issues with plugins - what happens if you type "ls
> -la ~/Library/Mail/Bundles" (without quotes)?
>
> Ken
>
>
> Julian Webb wrote:
>> Hi again
>>
>> Apologies for hitting the panic button too early - my son suggested a
>> Safe Boot might do some good, and hey presto! Mail is back. All seems
>> to be OK, though I've no idea what upset it; my goodness it is so many
>> streets ahead of Virgin web mail that it's almost out of sight!
>>
>> If anyone can advise how to avoid this crashing tendency, I would be
>> most grateful.
>>
>> Julian
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
>> Manage your subscription at: 
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
> Manage your subscription at: 
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net  Sat Oct 31 11:40:51 2009
From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:40:51 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Floppy disk reader
In-Reply-To: <9A2277D9-E8AE-4E00-824B-119AEF6E66A9@gmail.com>
References: <9A2277D9-E8AE-4E00-824B-119AEF6E66A9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CC5C8C8B-B5C1-4F22-AEF9-291DEFCF7DC1@virgin.net>

USB floppy drives are still available and are reasonably priced and  
they usually
work on a Mac without extra drivers.

Ken Arnoldi

On 31 Oct 2009, at 11:06, Richard Stewart wrote:

> A friend has asked if I can come up with a device that she can plug
> into her iMac that will allow her to transfer the data stored on
> floppy disks. Can anyone help please?
> Richard Stewart


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sat Oct 31 11:58:04 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:58:04 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Floppy disk reader
In-Reply-To: <9A2277D9-E8AE-4E00-824B-119AEF6E66A9@gmail.com>
References: <9A2277D9-E8AE-4E00-824B-119AEF6E66A9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A32BD818-130E-4300-8AB8-B69EC859BDF6@durrant.co.uk>

As others have said, there are USB floppy drives readily available.

BUT. If these floppy disks are old Mac 400K or 800K disks, the USB  
floppy drives won't be able to read them. She'll need to find someone  
with an old Mac with a working floppy drive to read and transfer them.  
(I have an old Power Macintosh 7600 that should do the trick if  
necessary.)

regards,

Paul


On 31 Oct 2009, at 11:06, Richard Stewart wrote:

> A friend has asked if I can come up with a device that she can plug
> into her iMac that will allow her to transfer the data stored on
> floppy disks. Can anyone help please?


From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Sat Oct 31 12:05:35 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:05:35 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Help! Mail 1.3.11 won't launch
In-Reply-To: <2d9c1ed2f6c91554d1d907c40bc682b4@virgin.net>
References: <3300b0be0201f5d469200953477ba7d4@virgin.net>	<4AEB8FF9.9020902@stackyard.org>
	<2d9c1ed2f6c91554d1d907c40bc682b4@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <4AEC280F.1010401@stackyard.org>

Sorry, that's what I get for emailing too late at night.  What I SHOULD 
have said was to type it within a terminal window.  But if you're OK 
now, then never mind.

Ken

Julian Webb wrote:
> Hi Ken
>
> Sorry, I should have made it clear - Mail now launches and operates 
> properly from a normal boot.
>
> No RAM was added in August, or since; I know more would be desirable 
> but I'm seeing how the iMac goes without extra.
>
> Both before and since my updating I've noticed fonts in incoming emails 
> are sometimes changed by the time I've stored and then reopened the 
> messages; I've never been troubled by this, and thought it was probably 
> caused by the originator using Simple Text (or its darkside 
> equivalent). Only one message (the one that arrived twice) behaved in 
> this way; previous messages from the same sender have usually done this 
> too. No other font problems spotted by me.
>
> Re plugins: I used pluginchecker.com (on Simon's suggestion) after my 
> update and again just now, and all plugins that should be there are 
> ticked and working, as is the Java version (1.4.2). When I type in your 
> line in the search box in the  Macintosh HD search window nothing 
> appears; naturally all sorts of exciting things turn up when I type it 
> into Google.....  I'm sorry I don't understand sufficiently - where did 
> you intend me to type it?
>
> Julian
>
> On 31 Oct 2009, at 01:16, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
>   
>> Hmmm.  This looks like it could be lots of things - certainly people 
>> are
>> reporting various diverse, unrelated fixes, or no fixes at all.  When
>> you say that mail is back, is this just in safe mode or is it OK when
>> the machine boots normally?
>>
>> Some people are reporting RAM issues - was it the RAM that got 
>> increased
>> in August?  If so, where did the RAM come from?
>>
>> Some people report issues with fonts - it's interesting that the font
>> changed on some email messages.
>>
>> Some people report issues with plugins - what happens if you type "ls
>> -la ~/Library/Mail/Bundles" (without quotes)?
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
>> Julian Webb wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi again
>>>
>>> Apologies for hitting the panic button too early - my son suggested a
>>> Safe Boot might do some good, and hey presto! Mail is back. All seems
>>> to be OK, though I've no idea what upset it; my goodness it is so many
>>> streets ahead of Virgin web mail that it's almost out of sight!
>>>
>>> If anyone can advise how to avoid this crashing tendency, I would be
>>> most grateful.
>>>
>>> Julian
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
>>> Manage your subscription at: 
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
>> Manage your subscription at: 
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   

From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sat Oct 31 12:12:48 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:12:48 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] MacHeist is back
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0910310321l1cae64dasb110f2ef17dc3c5a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ac224bde0910310321l1cae64dasb110f2ef17dc3c5a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8A5A635D-ACA5-459E-8F24-DC21A829AF67@durrant.co.uk>

On 31 Oct 2009, at 10:21, Scott Matthews wrote:

> MacHeist is back again, if you haven't played it, it's a series of
> puzzles that offer free Mac software when you solve them.
>
> I've just received a free copy of 'daisy disk' http://www.daisydiskapp.com/
>
> see http://www.macheist.com for details


Thanks for that. For those horribly puzzled by the MacHeist web page,  
the answer is in the scrolling headline. If you want to solve it  
yourself, ignore the rest of this message.


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Enter coordinated 151.7,174.4 and hit the yellow button. Then click on  
the Tweet for a Treat button. Wait for the twitter window to fully  
open, then close it. The Tweet for a treat button should have changed  
to "Free DaisyDisk License". Click on that to go to the download page.  
Don't forget to make a copy of your licence code which will be shown  
on the download page.

Oh - you will need to sign up for a MacHeist account (free).

regards,

Paul


From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com  Sat Oct 31 12:20:04 2009
From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:20:04 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Ref floppy reader
Message-ID: <E02ABA3A-815A-4E2D-9D5E-1BA1A026F710@gmail.com>

Many thanks to all who responded to my query about floppy disk readers  
with special thanks to Paul for the extra info!
Richard Stewart
rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com




From julianbarry.webb at virgin.net  Sat Oct 31 12:22:33 2009
From: julianbarry.webb at virgin.net (Julian Webb)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:22:33 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Help! Mail 1.3.11 won't launch
In-Reply-To: <4AEC280F.1010401@stackyard.org>
References: <3300b0be0201f5d469200953477ba7d4@virgin.net>	<4AEB8FF9.9020902@stackyard.org>
	<2d9c1ed2f6c91554d1d907c40bc682b4@virgin.net>
	<4AEC280F.1010401@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <24d7caf64fbf0d2505975e3774a566c8@virgin.net>

Thanks Ken. When I saw the time you sent your first response I hoped 
your computer clock was still on BST....

Had a quick look at Terminal (including Terminal Help), took fright and 
will leave well alone!

Happy Hallowe'en

Julian
On 31 Oct 2009, at 12:05, Ken Hamer wrote:

> Sorry, that's what I get for emailing too late at night.  What I SHOULD
> have said was to type it within a terminal window.  But if you're OK
> now, then never mind.
>
> Ken
>
> Julian Webb wrote:
>> Hi Ken
>>
>> Sorry, I should have made it clear - Mail now launches and operates
>> properly from a normal boot.
>>
>> No RAM was added in August, or since; I know more would be desirable
>> but I'm seeing how the iMac goes without extra.
>>
>> Both before and since my updating I've noticed fonts in incoming 
>> emails
>> are sometimes changed by the time I've stored and then reopened the
>> messages; I've never been troubled by this, and thought it was 
>> probably
>> caused by the originator using Simple Text (or its darkside
>> equivalent). Only one message (the one that arrived twice) behaved in
>> this way; previous messages from the same sender have usually done 
>> this
>> too. No other font problems spotted by me.
>>
>> Re plugins: I used pluginchecker.com (on Simon's suggestion) after my
>> update and again just now, and all plugins that should be there are
>> ticked and working, as is the Java version (1.4.2). When I type in 
>> your
>> line in the search box in the  Macintosh HD search window nothing
>> appears; naturally all sorts of exciting things turn up when I type it
>> into Google.....  I'm sorry I don't understand sufficiently - where 
>> did
>> you intend me to type it?
>>
>> Julian
>>
>> On 31 Oct 2009, at 01:16, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hmmm.  This looks like it could be lots of things - certainly people
>>> are
>>> reporting various diverse, unrelated fixes, or no fixes at all.  When
>>> you say that mail is back, is this just in safe mode or is it OK when
>>> the machine boots normally?
>>>
>>> Some people are reporting RAM issues - was it the RAM that got
>>> increased
>>> in August?  If so, where did the RAM come from?
>>>
>>> Some people report issues with fonts - it's interesting that the font
>>> changed on some email messages.
>>>
>>> Some people report issues with plugins - what happens if you type "ls
>>> -la ~/Library/Mail/Bundles" (without quotes)?
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>>
>>> Julian Webb wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi again
>>>>
>>>> Apologies for hitting the panic button too early - my son suggested 
>>>> a
>>>> Safe Boot might do some good, and hey presto! Mail is back. All 
>>>> seems
>>>> to be OK, though I've no idea what upset it; my goodness it is so 
>>>> many
>>>> streets ahead of Virgin web mail that it's almost out of sight!
>>>>
>>>> If anyone can advise how to avoid this crashing tendency, I would be
>>>> most grateful.
>>>>
>>>> Julian
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
>>>> Manage your subscription at:
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
>>> Manage your subscription at:
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
>> Manage your subscription at: 
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk
> Manage your subscription at: 
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
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From robharrington at mac.com  Sat Oct 31 16:05:28 2009
From: robharrington at mac.com (ROB HARRINGTON)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:05:28 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Idisk
Message-ID: <EB5B7964-5D32-4C59-9F5A-1F6EC4A2678E@mac.com>

Does anybody know anything about idisk?

1. My storage allocation is 10GB . The idisk window displays 40kb of  
info on the files, yet says only 8.87GB  is available.
2. I put a 1.13GB Quicktime movie on my public folder and later  
removed it. I vastly exceeded my isp data allocation in doing so:  
does the removal of a file not just go into the great trash in the  
sky, but entail it being transmitted out of idisk?

Rob Harrington



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sat Oct 31 16:51:15 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:51:15 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Idisk
In-Reply-To: <EB5B7964-5D32-4C59-9F5A-1F6EC4A2678E@mac.com>
References: <EB5B7964-5D32-4C59-9F5A-1F6EC4A2678E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <D8F6C656-0591-48BC-BE29-F8A719B506F4@durrant.co.uk>

I'd suggest you double-check your usage. Perhaps you've forgotten  
something on there.

Alternatively, perhaps you're not taking into account some storage  
allocated to your mobileme email account?

On the removal, I haven't checked, but perhaps it put it in your local  
trash?

regards,

Paul

On 31 Oct 2009, at 16:05, ROB HARRINGTON wrote:

> Does anybody know anything about idisk?
>
> 1. My storage allocation is 10GB . The idisk window displays 40kb of
> info on the files, yet says only 8.87GB  is available.
> 2. I put a 1.13GB Quicktime movie on my public folder and later
> removed it. I vastly exceeded my isp data allocation in doing so:
> does the removal of a file not just go into the great trash in the
> sky, but entail it being transmitted out of idisk?
>
> Rob Harrington


From robharrington at mac.com  Sat Oct 31 17:16:00 2009
From: robharrington at mac.com (ROB HARRINGTON)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:16:00 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] idisk
Message-ID: <640F845B-FC18-4CE5-8BFA-376FABEF67E4@mac.com>

That's the odd part Paul, I have doulble checked my usage before  
calling for help- 40kb is all there is on there - some text.,
And I have checked my mobileme storage allocation : 20GB  
total,equally divided between the Mail and Idisk apps.

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob


I'd suggest you double-check your usage. Perhaps you've forgotten
something on there.

Alternatively, perhaps you're not taking into account some storage
allocated to your mobileme email account?

On the removal, I haven't checked, but perhaps it put it in your local
trash?


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sat Oct 31 17:20:22 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:20:22 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] idisk
In-Reply-To: <640F845B-FC18-4CE5-8BFA-376FABEF67E4@mac.com>
References: <640F845B-FC18-4CE5-8BFA-376FABEF67E4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <FC6ECB63-5B54-4924-B0A4-611145C374FC@durrant.co.uk>

Hmm... have you tried emptying your trash?

On 31 Oct 2009, at 17:16, ROB HARRINGTON wrote:

> That's the odd part Paul, I have doulble checked my usage before
> calling for help- 40kb is all there is on there - some text.,
> And I have checked my mobileme storage allocation : 20GB
> total,equally divided between the Mail and Idisk apps.
>
> RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob
>
>
> I'd suggest you double-check your usage. Perhaps you've forgotten
> something on there.
>
> Alternatively, perhaps you're not taking into account some storage
> allocated to your mobileme email account?
>
> On the removal, I haven't checked, but perhaps it put it in your local
> trash?


From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com  Sat Oct 31 18:00:58 2009
From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:00:58 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Floppy disk reader
In-Reply-To: <9A2277D9-E8AE-4E00-824B-119AEF6E66A9@gmail.com>
References: <9A2277D9-E8AE-4E00-824B-119AEF6E66A9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7F893EF9-1CA6-487E-9C34-5D214EDDFDED@ruthmurray.f2s.com>

I am very happy to lend you mine for your purposes for a while, but I  
will need it back.

I am in Norwich.

Ruth


On 31 Oct 2009, at 11:06, Richard Stewart wrote:

> A friend has asked if I can come up with a device that she can plug
> into her iMac that will allow her to transfer the data stored on
> floppy disks. Can anyone help please?
> Richard Stewart
> rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com
>
>
>
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From robharrington at mac.com  Sat Oct 31 18:50:36 2009
From: robharrington at mac.com (ROB HARRINGTON)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:50:36 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] idisk problem
Message-ID: <2D4E810F-2488-4472-BFF4-90109173CCAB@mac.com>

I have just this moment come off from two hours - yes two hours -  
with apple support on the problem of my idisk storage stating.
  I have idisk stating that I have 1.1GB being used when I have only  
120kb stored.
It seems I finally got the support guy to agree that there was a  
stuck reading.
After all this time - I have been told to wait 24 hours and hope that  
it goes away.
  Doctors are like that.
I have been told to come back and ' chat' if it is still there .

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob


From rob at atvetsystems.com  Sat Oct 31 19:22:13 2009
From: rob at atvetsystems.com (Robert Tillyard)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:22:13 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] New Apple Reseller in Bury St Edmunds.
Message-ID: <4C13CBCE-B235-4CCD-BA40-0188AC87195E@atvetsystems.com>

A new Apple reseller opened in Bury St Edmunds today at the Arc  
shopping centre, they are www.stormfront.co.uk

They have 10% of everything Apple this weekend (except iPhones). The  
shop looks very much like an Apple Store but without the big Apple Logo.

Regards, Rob.

From bazyoungs at mac.com  Sat Oct 31 23:40:08 2009
From: bazyoungs at mac.com (Barry Youngs)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 23:40:08 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Internet Speed
Message-ID: <A79FD900-A8A4-4DED-B127-9890C7EB9D82@mac.com>

Hi
I think I may have a problem with my internet!

Your current bandwidth reading is:

36.50kbps


Wow I long for the speed of Dial Up!

I think I may need to get in touch with BT

Barry


The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.