From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri May  1 08:14:40 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 08:14:40 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Fw: eMac for sale
In-Reply-To: <C7AB7C9429F345A0816CD4843472306F@fujitsu>
References: <C7AB7C9429F345A0816CD4843472306F@fujitsu>
Message-ID: <0C8AF99C-0C0E-4CAF-A0F3-6E10A7FED4E6@simonroyal.co.uk>

Peter

Welcome at last.

Simon

On 30 Apr 2009, at 23:58, Peter James wrote:

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter James" <Interjay2 at btinternet.com>
> To: <nmug-request at durrant.co.uk>
> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 8:25 PM
> Subject: eMac for sale
>
>
>> Hi everyone.
>> I have an eMac which I need to sell to fund a laptop.
>> Details are,
>> OS X 10.5.6 Leopard.
>> 1GB Ram
>> 80GB HDD
>> CD/DVD Combo.
>> c/w Apple Keyboard and mouse.
>> Everything in first class order and I will deliver if required.
>> ?95 ovno
>>
>> Thanks
>> PJ
>>
>
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From jeremyknight at mac.com  Fri May  1 11:49:18 2009
From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 11:49:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] A file over staying its welcome
Message-ID: <73264AE6-B82D-4436-A9EF-AA7F3D59B4C7@mac.com>

Morning All,
  I have a file on a pen drive that won't delete.
  It is a unix executable file.
I understand that only way to get rid of it is copy the contents to  
another drive and then reformat the drive.
The file is in the trash,but of course still on  the pen drive,so  
when I copy the contents will this file be copied as well?
jeremy 


From macman at f2s.com  Fri May  1 12:27:36 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 12:27:36 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] A file over staying its welcome
In-Reply-To: <73264AE6-B82D-4436-A9EF-AA7F3D59B4C7@mac.com>
References: <73264AE6-B82D-4436-A9EF-AA7F3D59B4C7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <D777E9FE-1A18-4E60-A433-8E7CFFC28AC8@f2s.com>

Have you tried force emptying using the alt key?

This technique uses a hidden feature of Mac OS X to force the Trash to  
empty. Perform the following steps in the order specified:

	? Press and hold the mouse button on the Trash icon in the Dock. The  
context menu for Trash will display.
	? Press and hold the Option key.
	? Select Empty Trash from the context menu for Trash.
	? Release the Option key.

Failing this, you could try putting it back in the drive, copy  
everything else onto your desktop, reformatting the pen drive, then  
copy back the files you want.

As a last resort, try rebooting, then emptying trash.

Hope this helps ...

Robbie


On 1 May 2009, at 11:49, jeremy knight wrote:

Morning All,
  I have a file on a pen drive that won't delete.
  It is a unix executable file.
I understand that only way to get rid of it is copy the contents to
another drive and then reformat the drive.
The file is in the trash,but of course still on  the pen drive,so
when I copy the contents will this file be copied as well?
jeremy
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From jeremyknight at mac.com  Fri May  1 12:37:18 2009
From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 12:37:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] A file over staying its welcome
In-Reply-To: <D777E9FE-1A18-4E60-A433-8E7CFFC28AC8@f2s.com>
References: <73264AE6-B82D-4436-A9EF-AA7F3D59B4C7@mac.com>
	<D777E9FE-1A18-4E60-A433-8E7CFFC28AC8@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <038387FA-7658-49E6-9F2F-B93CECDF079B@mac.com>

HI Robbie,
  Thanks for that.
The force trash does get rid of it.
The problem with copying to the H/d is where the is the file   and  
will  copying to the desktop mean I have to reformat the computer to  
get rid of it ?
Jeremy
On 1 May 2009, at 12:27, Robbie Murray wrote:

> Have you tried force emptying using the alt key?
>
> This technique uses a hidden feature of Mac OS X to force the Trash to
> empty. Perform the following steps in the order specified:
>
> 	? Press and hold the mouse button on the Trash icon in the Dock. The
> context menu for Trash will display.
> 	? Press and hold the Option key.
> 	? Select Empty Trash from the context menu for Trash.
> 	? Release the Option key.
>
> Failing this, you could try putting it back in the drive, copy
> everything else onto your desktop, reformatting the pen drive, then
> copy back the files you want.
>
> As a last resort, try rebooting, then emptying trash.
>
> Hope this helps ...
>
> Robbie
>
>
> On 1 May 2009, at 11:49, jeremy knight wrote:
>
> Morning All,
>   I have a file on a pen drive that won't delete.
>   It is a unix executable file.
> I understand that only way to get rid of it is copy the contents to
> another drive and then reformat the drive.
> The file is in the trash,but of course still on  the pen drive,so
> when I copy the contents will this file be copied as well?
> jeremy
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From kelvinyoungs at mac.com  Fri May  1 12:41:55 2009
From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 12:41:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Negatives
Message-ID: <AC74B674-07FB-4626-98D2-4A3070B89CB7@mac.com>

We have some precious black and white negatives that we would like o  
be able to scan ? the size is approx. 5" X 4" so the negative scanner  
that Maplins sell is too small.

Does anyone have any ideas where we could either get these scanned or  
where we could purchase a scanner that would do this?

They are from the 2nd World War (Aviation) and very important to us.

Many thanks

Kelvin

http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com

From Interjay2 at btinternet.com  Fri May  1 12:48:43 2009
From: Interjay2 at btinternet.com (Peter James)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 12:48:43 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Fw: eMac for sale
References: <C7AB7C9429F345A0816CD4843472306F@fujitsu>
	<0C8AF99C-0C0E-4CAF-A0F3-6E10A7FED4E6@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <0ACF5EFB34DB490AA71A5F4FE4CEEE48@fujitsu>

Hi Simon, Finally at last - many thanks !!!
PJ

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Simon Royal" <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: [NMUG] Fw: eMac for sale


Peter

Welcome at last.

Simon

On 30 Apr 2009, at 23:58, Peter James wrote:

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter James" <Interjay2 at btinternet.com>
> To: <nmug-request at durrant.co.uk>
> Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 8:25 PM
> Subject: eMac for sale
>
>
>> Hi everyone.
>> I have an eMac which I need to sell to fund a laptop.
>> Details are,
>> OS X 10.5.6 Leopard.
>> 1GB Ram
>> 80GB HDD
>> CD/DVD Combo.
>> c/w Apple Keyboard and mouse.
>> Everything in first class order and I will deliver if required.
>> ?95 ovno
>>
>> Thanks
>> PJ
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

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From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Fri May  1 13:15:18 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 13:15:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Negatives
In-Reply-To: <AC74B674-07FB-4626-98D2-4A3070B89CB7@mac.com>
References: <AC74B674-07FB-4626-98D2-4A3070B89CB7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <70dda0e425e6c76a88d22d49d4e590a0@virgin.net>

Hi  Kelvin
>
I recently acquired about 200 vintage negatives and I re-photographed 
them from a light box to 15" x 10" and put them on my website...Sold 
one already as a greetings card!

far quicker than scanning and the quality is great.  Type the word 
vintage in the search box on my site to see them.

Martin

www.martinfryphotography.com


> We have some precious black and white negatives that we would like o
> be able to scan ? the size is approx. 5" X 4" so the negative scanner
> that Maplins sell is too small.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas where we could either get these scanned or
> where we could purchase a scanner that would do this?
>
> They are from the 2nd World War (Aviation) and very important to us.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Kelvin
>
> http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
www.martinfryphotography.com


From kelvinyoungs at mac.com  Fri May  1 13:26:26 2009
From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 13:26:26 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Negatives
In-Reply-To: <70dda0e425e6c76a88d22d49d4e590a0@virgin.net>
References: <AC74B674-07FB-4626-98D2-4A3070B89CB7@mac.com>
	<70dda0e425e6c76a88d22d49d4e590a0@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <DAD9ECCD-5F8E-4D94-906D-4A82356D7DD2@mac.com>

Interesting Martin - but we are a voluntary organisation and to employ  
a photographer to do that would be out of the question for us I'm  
afraid.
I have asked our boys how many they have and will advise further.

Kelvin


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Fri May  1 13:54:27 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 13:54:27 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Negatives
In-Reply-To: <70dda0e425e6c76a88d22d49d4e590a0@virgin.net>
References: <AC74B674-07FB-4626-98D2-4A3070B89CB7@mac.com>
	<70dda0e425e6c76a88d22d49d4e590a0@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <4CD47C96-1701-4778-AB66-E9F9209855A7@durrant.co.uk>

Hi Martin,

Just out of interest, did you explicitly acquire the copyright as well  
as the negatives?

As you know, copyright in photographs lasts for 70 years after the  
photographer's death. So there aren't many photographs around that are  
out of copyright.

regards,

Paul

On 1 May 2009, at 13:15, Martin Fry wrote:

> I recently acquired about 200 vintage negatives and I re-photographed
> them from a light box to 15" x 10" and put them on my website...Sold
> one already as a greetings card!
>
> far quicker than scanning and the quality is great.  Type the word
> vintage in the search box on my site to see them.
>


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Fri May  1 13:55:54 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 13:55:54 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Negatives
In-Reply-To: <4CD47C96-1701-4778-AB66-E9F9209855A7@durrant.co.uk>
References: <AC74B674-07FB-4626-98D2-4A3070B89CB7@mac.com>
	<70dda0e425e6c76a88d22d49d4e590a0@virgin.net>
	<4CD47C96-1701-4778-AB66-E9F9209855A7@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <15F96C1D-3BF2-4C30-A47A-F1313C7A1864@durrant.co.uk>

Bother. I meant to send that directly to Martin. I didn't want to  
start up a copyright thread here, or ask awkward questions in public.

Paul

On 1 May 2009, at 13:54, Paul Durrant wrote:
> Just out of interest, did you explicitly acquire the copyright as well
> as the negatives?
>


From macman at f2s.com  Fri May  1 14:32:50 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 14:32:50 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Negatives
In-Reply-To: <15F96C1D-3BF2-4C30-A47A-F1313C7A1864@durrant.co.uk>
References: <AC74B674-07FB-4626-98D2-4A3070B89CB7@mac.com>
	<70dda0e425e6c76a88d22d49d4e590a0@virgin.net>
	<4CD47C96-1701-4778-AB66-E9F9209855A7@durrant.co.uk>
	<15F96C1D-3BF2-4C30-A47A-F1313C7A1864@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <A475D03C-38CF-4EEC-B259-A1AD054AE3AB@f2s.com>

I'm glad you did, Paul - I certainly didn't know that.

Set me thinking, though: 35 years ago, when I was a young and carefree  
ship's musician, I decided that the Postcards on sale in Tonga in the  
South Pacific were dreadful, so shot off a series of views of local  
attractions and beauty spots on my trusty Pentax Spotmatic  which I  
flogged to the biggest postcard manufacturer in Australia. I got a bit  
of cash and my name credited on all the subsequent Postcards produced  
(I still have some examples).

I don't remember signing over the copyright, although I can't imagine  
they wouldn't have made sure I did - perhaps there's a big pile of  
Aussie dollars sitting there waiting for me!

(Not holding my breath, though .....)

Robbie




On 1 May 2009, at 13:55, Paul Durrant wrote:

Bother. I meant to send that directly to Martin. I didn't want to
start up a copyright thread here, or ask awkward questions in public.

Paul

On 1 May 2009, at 13:54, Paul Durrant wrote:
> Just out of interest, did you explicitly acquire the copyright as well
> as the negatives?
>
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From kelvinyoungs at mac.com  Fri May  1 14:43:50 2009
From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 14:43:50 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] negatives
Message-ID: <E5231368-BF47-448F-97E5-718B36E61CE6@mac.com>

I would estimate about 800, some have more than 1 image on, I would  
have to go through them all as I have photos of some of them, and some  
are more important than others, I would say at least around 250 are  
important records which I have additional research material on, and  
useful additions to our archives.

Image size varies as some negs have 2 images, others 4, but even those  
with 1 image like the target photo attached appear to fit into your  
parameters.
Unable to send attachments on NMUG
Kelvin


From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Fri May  1 16:12:41 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 16:12:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Negatives
In-Reply-To: <4CD47C96-1701-4778-AB66-E9F9209855A7@durrant.co.uk>
References: <AC74B674-07FB-4626-98D2-4A3070B89CB7@mac.com>
	<70dda0e425e6c76a88d22d49d4e590a0@virgin.net>
	<4CD47C96-1701-4778-AB66-E9F9209855A7@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <a8558b9f2738bf306e38236354effd16@virgin.net>

Hi  Paul

I have a friend who buys old negs, as they are from 1890-1925 they are 
probably Ok.  I re- shot them for free,  but I got my mate ( who says 
that he owns the copyright) to sign a contract to that effect and also 
to assign copyright to me for a minimum of 3 years ( all rights).  He 
will receive 50% of sales from my website, just as any library.

Martin




>
> Just out of interest, did you explicitly acquire the copyright as well
> as the negatives?
>
> As you know, copyright in photographs lasts for 70 years after the
> photographer's death. So there aren't many photographs around that are
> out of copyright.
>
> regards,
>
> Paul
>
> On 1 May 2009, at 13:15, Martin Fry wrote:
>
>> I recently acquired about 200 vintage negatives and I re-photographed
>> them from a light box to 15" x 10" and put them on my website...Sold
>> one already as a greetings card!
>>
>> far quicker than scanning and the quality is great.  Type the word
>> vintage in the search box on my site to see them.
>>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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From Interjay2 at btinternet.com  Fri May  1 16:47:32 2009
From: Interjay2 at btinternet.com (Peter James)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 16:47:32 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Negatives
References: <AC74B674-07FB-4626-98D2-4A3070B89CB7@mac.com>
	<70dda0e425e6c76a88d22d49d4e590a0@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <781E61A1CA4B42A78DE54A341A9DA829@fujitsu>

Dear Martin, would you be prepared to go into greater detail about how to do 
it ?
Thanks
PJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martin Fry" <martinfry.photo at virgin.net>
To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Sent: Friday, May 01, 2009 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [NMUG] Negatives


Hi  Kelvin
>
I recently acquired about 200 vintage negatives and I re-photographed
them from a light box to 15" x 10" and put them on my website...Sold
one already as a greetings card!

far quicker than scanning and the quality is great.  Type the word
vintage in the search box on my site to see them.

Martin

www.martinfryphotography.com


> We have some precious black and white negatives that we would like o
> be able to scan ? the size is approx. 5" X 4" so the negative scanner
> that Maplins sell is too small.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas where we could either get these scanned or
> where we could purchase a scanner that would do this?
>
> They are from the 2nd World War (Aviation) and very important to us.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Kelvin
>
> http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
www.martinfryphotography.com
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From Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net  Fri May  1 17:03:09 2009
From: Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net (Jeremy Webb)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 17:03:09 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Negatives
In-Reply-To: <A475D03C-38CF-4EEC-B259-A1AD054AE3AB@f2s.com>
References: <AC74B674-07FB-4626-98D2-4A3070B89CB7@mac.com>
	<70dda0e425e6c76a88d22d49d4e590a0@virgin.net>
	<4CD47C96-1701-4778-AB66-E9F9209855A7@durrant.co.uk>
	<15F96C1D-3BF2-4C30-A47A-F1313C7A1864@durrant.co.uk>
	<A475D03C-38CF-4EEC-B259-A1AD054AE3AB@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <C971331E-CF60-4595-87BD-86CEB7D52EF6@virgin.net>

For any designers, artists and photographers among our group, I can  
recommend signing up with DACS and their Payback scheme which  
administers secondary royalty rights from a central pot of money (?3  
million) on an annual basis.

The first year I signed up to the scheme I was awarded a Payback of  
over six hundred pounds. I only had to fill in a form :-)

It assumes that artists, designers, & photographers miss out on  
copyright payments due when, for example a page of their book is  
photocopied in university departments up and down the land, or their  
images have been reproduced in magazines etc (regardless of whether a  
fee was originally paid!) or mistakenly syndicated elsewhere. In a  
sense it claims money owed to visual artists of all kinds which we'd  
never have the time or knowledge to chase up.

They award the money to around 13,000 members on a points system  
based on how many times you've been published in a year, in what  
media, what size circulation, and so on, and you can make a claim  
every year. The catch? there isn't one. Since becoming a member I've  
vowed to pass on the good news whenever and wherever I can. Only  
trouble is, the more who sign up, the smaller the amounts awarded, so  
unless the big pot increases, artists paybacks might shrink rapidly  
over the years to come. However, it works well now, and Payback 2009  
starts in July - better get on board now. Claim what's yours and pass  
the word round to all the creatives in the mac community.

http://www.dacs.org.uk/index.php?m=4


Jeremy Webb
Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net



On 1 May 2009, at 14:32, Robbie Murray wrote:

> I'm glad you did, Paul - I certainly didn't know that.
>
> Set me thinking, though: 35 years ago, when I was a young and carefree
> ship's musician, I decided that the Postcards on sale in Tonga in the
> South Pacific were dreadful, so shot off a series of views of local
> attractions and beauty spots on my trusty Pentax Spotmatic  which I
> flogged to the biggest postcard manufacturer in Australia. I got a bit
> of cash and my name credited on all the subsequent Postcards produced
> (I still have some examples).
>
> I don't remember signing over the copyright, although I can't imagine
> they wouldn't have made sure I did - perhaps there's a big pile of
> Aussie dollars sitting there waiting for me!
>
> (Not holding my breath, though .....)
>
> Robbie
>
>
>
>
> On 1 May 2009, at 13:55, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
> Bother. I meant to send that directly to Martin. I didn't want to
> start up a copyright thread here, or ask awkward questions in public.
>
> Paul
>
> On 1 May 2009, at 13:54, Paul Durrant wrote:
>> Just out of interest, did you explicitly acquire the copyright as  
>> well
>> as the negatives?
>>
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From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Fri May  1 17:37:08 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 17:37:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Negatives
In-Reply-To: <781E61A1CA4B42A78DE54A341A9DA829@fujitsu>
References: <AC74B674-07FB-4626-98D2-4A3070B89CB7@mac.com>
	<70dda0e425e6c76a88d22d49d4e590a0@virgin.net>
	<781E61A1CA4B42A78DE54A341A9DA829@fujitsu>
Message-ID: <0c2e2f65a8c7867ba5a45cc5636003e4@virgin.net>

Hi Peter

It's no great secret, I have a large light box.

I  fit the camera to a 'copy stand'  to to keep it parallel to the 
light box and neg.

I use a macro lens for close work.

Cut a black mount or 2 x "L's. to fit over the edges of the negative to 
hold it down flat and also to cut out unwanted light from around the 
neg.

The camera's metering system normally takes care of exposure.

As my camera is  12.8 MP.  I get a 15 x 10" image file from it 38.6 Mb. 
  (ample for most publications and prints)

On photoshop I turn the image to black & white or sepia ( to cut out 
any colour casts from the old negs)

Save as a Tiff file for quality

Done!!!

Hope this helps

if you have some aircraft shots that might sell for greetings cards I 
might be interested for my stock library

Regards

Martin

www.martinfryphotography.com

> Dear Martin, would you be prepared to go into greater detail about how 
> to do


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri May  1 18:07:33 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 18:07:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Negatives
In-Reply-To: <0c2e2f65a8c7867ba5a45cc5636003e4@virgin.net>
References: <AC74B674-07FB-4626-98D2-4A3070B89CB7@mac.com>
	<70dda0e425e6c76a88d22d49d4e590a0@virgin.net>
	<781E61A1CA4B42A78DE54A341A9DA829@fujitsu>
	<0c2e2f65a8c7867ba5a45cc5636003e4@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <B5430B78-EFD5-4351-8EE1-F14E4CB41BB2@simonroyal.co.uk>

Martin

On the subject of saving to TIFF, do you use any compression.

I worked for a printers a few years ago and our collection of images -  
saved as uncompressed TIFFs was spiraling out of control. After much  
searching about it seemed LZW compression wasn't a lossless format.

I just wanted someone elses take on it as I have a collection of  
images and running out of storage space.

Simon

On 1 May 2009, at 17:37, Martin Fry wrote:

> Hi Peter
>
> It's no great secret, I have a large light box.
>
> I  fit the camera to a 'copy stand'  to to keep it parallel to the
> light box and neg.
>
> I use a macro lens for close work.
>
> Cut a black mount or 2 x "L's. to fit over the edges of the negative  
> to
> hold it down flat and also to cut out unwanted light from around the
> neg.
>
> The camera's metering system normally takes care of exposure.
>
> As my camera is  12.8 MP.  I get a 15 x 10" image file from it 38.6  
> Mb.
>  (ample for most publications and prints)
>
> On photoshop I turn the image to black & white or sepia ( to cut out
> any colour casts from the old negs)
>
> Save as a Tiff file for quality
>
> Done!!!
>
> Hope this helps
>
> if you have some aircraft shots that might sell for greetings cards I
> might be interested for my stock library
>
> Regards
>
> Martin
>
> www.martinfryphotography.com
>
>> Dear Martin, would you be prepared to go into greater detail about  
>> how
>> to do
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Fri May  1 18:38:45 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 18:38:45 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Negatives
In-Reply-To: <B5430B78-EFD5-4351-8EE1-F14E4CB41BB2@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <AC74B674-07FB-4626-98D2-4A3070B89CB7@mac.com>
	<70dda0e425e6c76a88d22d49d4e590a0@virgin.net>
	<781E61A1CA4B42A78DE54A341A9DA829@fujitsu>
	<0c2e2f65a8c7867ba5a45cc5636003e4@virgin.net>
	<B5430B78-EFD5-4351-8EE1-F14E4CB41BB2@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <f51e8e1cb99d79ce07d075adf3c509f4@virgin.net>


Hi  Simon
>
No compression most of the 17,000 digital images are about 38.6 Mb in 
size ( a bit less for previous cameras) plus 38,000 original 
transparencies in stock.

The digital files are on several Ext. H/Drives plus written to DVD as 
backup.

All are fully finished images ready to publish.

martin

www.martinfryphotography.com



> On the subject of saving to TIFF, do you use any compression.
>
> I worked for a printers a few years ago and our collection of images -
> saved as uncompressed TIFFs was spiraling out of control. After much
> searching about it seemed LZW compression wasn't a lossless format.
>
> I just wanted someone elses take on it as I have a collection of
> images and running out of storage space.
>
> Simon
>
> On 1 May 2009, at 17:37, Martin Fry wrote:
>
>> Hi Peter
>>
>> It's no great secret, I have a large light box.
>>
>> I  fit the camera to a 'copy stand'  to to keep it parallel to the
>> light box and neg.
>>
>> I use a macro lens for close work.
>>
>> Cut a black mount or 2 x "L's. to fit over the edges of the negative
>> to
>> hold it down flat and also to cut out unwanted light from around the
>> neg.
>>
>> The camera's metering system normally takes care of exposure.
>>
>> As my camera is  12.8 MP.  I get a 15 x 10" image file from it 38.6
>> Mb.
>>  (ample for most publications and prints)
>>
>> On photoshop I turn the image to black & white or sepia ( to cut out
>> any colour casts from the old negs)
>>
>> Save as a Tiff file for quality
>>
>> Done!!!
>>
>> Hope this helps
>>
>> if you have some aircraft shots that might sell for greetings cards I
>> might be interested for my stock library
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> www.martinfryphotography.com
>>
>>> Dear Martin, would you be prepared to go into greater detail about
>>> how
>>> to do
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>



From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Fri May  1 20:19:19 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 20:19:19 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Negatives
In-Reply-To: <DAD9ECCD-5F8E-4D94-906D-4A82356D7DD2@mac.com>
References: <AC74B674-07FB-4626-98D2-4A3070B89CB7@mac.com>
	<70dda0e425e6c76a88d22d49d4e590a0@virgin.net>
	<DAD9ECCD-5F8E-4D94-906D-4A82356D7DD2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <160270B6-6A82-4EBA-864F-831BABFE702E@zen.co.uk>

Are these negatives on film (as opposed to glass) If so you should  
just scan them using a flatbed scanner at 300dpi for 100%, 600 dpi for  
200%, 1200 dpi for 400% enlargements. They pick out a hell of a lot of  
detail!

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 1 May 2009, at 13:26, Kelvin Youngs wrote:

> Interesting Martin - but we are a voluntary organisation and to employ
> a photographer to do that would be out of the question for us I'm
> afraid.
> I have asked our boys how many they have and will advise further.
>
> Kelvin
> _______________________________________________
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> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri May  1 20:34:00 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 20:34:00 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Negatives
In-Reply-To: <f51e8e1cb99d79ce07d075adf3c509f4@virgin.net>
References: <AC74B674-07FB-4626-98D2-4A3070B89CB7@mac.com>
	<70dda0e425e6c76a88d22d49d4e590a0@virgin.net>
	<781E61A1CA4B42A78DE54A341A9DA829@fujitsu>
	<0c2e2f65a8c7867ba5a45cc5636003e4@virgin.net>
	<B5430B78-EFD5-4351-8EE1-F14E4CB41BB2@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<f51e8e1cb99d79ce07d075adf3c509f4@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <B1A4EFB4-6EDA-4799-9097-8E861B6D4D27@simonroyal.co.uk>

Martin

I used to work for a magazine publishes, so I know a bit about image  
preservation and print-ready.

I just wondered if you knew anything about LZW compression.

Simon

On 1 May 2009, at 18:38, Martin Fry wrote:

>
> Hi  Simon
>>
> No compression most of the 17,000 digital images are about 38.6 Mb in
> size ( a bit less for previous cameras) plus 38,000 original
> transparencies in stock.
>
> The digital files are on several Ext. H/Drives plus written to DVD as
> backup.
>
> All are fully finished images ready to publish.
>
> martin
>
> www.martinfryphotography.com
>
>
>
>> On the subject of saving to TIFF, do you use any compression.
>>
>> I worked for a printers a few years ago and our collection of  
>> images -
>> saved as uncompressed TIFFs was spiraling out of control. After much
>> searching about it seemed LZW compression wasn't a lossless format.
>>
>> I just wanted someone elses take on it as I have a collection of
>> images and running out of storage space.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> On 1 May 2009, at 17:37, Martin Fry wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Peter
>>>
>>> It's no great secret, I have a large light box.
>>>
>>> I  fit the camera to a 'copy stand'  to to keep it parallel to the
>>> light box and neg.
>>>
>>> I use a macro lens for close work.
>>>
>>> Cut a black mount or 2 x "L's. to fit over the edges of the negative
>>> to
>>> hold it down flat and also to cut out unwanted light from around the
>>> neg.
>>>
>>> The camera's metering system normally takes care of exposure.
>>>
>>> As my camera is  12.8 MP.  I get a 15 x 10" image file from it 38.6
>>> Mb.
>>> (ample for most publications and prints)
>>>
>>> On photoshop I turn the image to black & white or sepia ( to cut out
>>> any colour casts from the old negs)
>>>
>>> Save as a Tiff file for quality
>>>
>>> Done!!!
>>>
>>> Hope this helps
>>>
>>> if you have some aircraft shots that might sell for greetings  
>>> cards I
>>> might be interested for my stock library
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Martin
>>>
>>> www.martinfryphotography.com
>>>
>>>> Dear Martin, would you be prepared to go into greater detail about
>>>> how
>>>> to do
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Fri May  1 21:22:22 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 21:22:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Negatives
In-Reply-To: <B1A4EFB4-6EDA-4799-9097-8E861B6D4D27@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <AC74B674-07FB-4626-98D2-4A3070B89CB7@mac.com>
	<70dda0e425e6c76a88d22d49d4e590a0@virgin.net>
	<781E61A1CA4B42A78DE54A341A9DA829@fujitsu>
	<0c2e2f65a8c7867ba5a45cc5636003e4@virgin.net>
	<B5430B78-EFD5-4351-8EE1-F14E4CB41BB2@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<f51e8e1cb99d79ce07d075adf3c509f4@virgin.net>
	<B1A4EFB4-6EDA-4799-9097-8E861B6D4D27@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4bcb29200e9179ee7b237823c006e83c@virgin.net>


Hi  Simon

When I say ready to print I don't mean the images are saved as CYMK 
etc. for the printers.  They are still RGB .

I meant that the images have been edited, ie;  cropped, levels, 
contrast,  sharpened, hue & saturation, maybe changed to sepia or black 
& white etc. then saved in tiff format ready to send via CD, FTP or 
Usendit, while the original Raw image has been saved onto disk, just in 
case!

As I do not use any compression I know nothing about it....Yet!

Martin


> I used to work for a magazine publishes, so I know a bit about image
> preservation and print-ready.
>
> I just wondered if you knew anything about LZW compression.
>
> Simon
>
> On 1 May 2009, at 18:38, Martin Fry wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi  Simon
>>>
>> No compression most of the 17,000 digital images are about 38.6 Mb in
>> size ( a bit less for previous cameras) plus 38,000 original
>> transparencies in stock.
>>
>> The digital files are on several Ext. H/Drives plus written to DVD as
>> backup.
>>
>> All are fully finished images ready to publish.
>>
>> martin
>>
>> www.martinfryphotography.com
>>
>>
>>
>>> On the subject of saving to TIFF, do you use any compression.
>>>
>>> I worked for a printers a few years ago and our collection of
>>> images -
>>> saved as uncompressed TIFFs was spiraling out of control. After much
>>> searching about it seemed LZW compression wasn't a lossless format.
>>>
>>> I just wanted someone elses take on it as I have a collection of
>>> images and running out of storage space.
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>> On 1 May 2009, at 17:37, Martin Fry wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Peter
>>>>
>>>> It's no great secret, I have a large light box.
>>>>
>>>> I  fit the camera to a 'copy stand'  to to keep it parallel to the
>>>> light box and neg.
>>>>
>>>> I use a macro lens for close work.
>>>>
>>>> Cut a black mount or 2 x "L's. to fit over the edges of the negative
>>>> to
>>>> hold it down flat and also to cut out unwanted light from around the
>>>> neg.
>>>>
>>>> The camera's metering system normally takes care of exposure.
>>>>
>>>> As my camera is  12.8 MP.  I get a 15 x 10" image file from it 38.6
>>>> Mb.
>>>> (ample for most publications and prints)
>>>>
>>>> On photoshop I turn the image to black & white or sepia ( to cut out
>>>> any colour casts from the old negs)
>>>>
>>>> Save as a Tiff file for quality
>>>>
>>>> Done!!!
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps
>>>>
>>>> if you have some aircraft shots that might sell for greetings
>>>> cards I
>>>> might be interested for my stock library
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>>
>>>> www.martinfryphotography.com
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Martin, would you be prepared to go into greater detail about
>>>>> how
>>>>> to do
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>
>>>
>>> Simon Royal
>>> ---
>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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>
>
www.martinfryphotography.com


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Fri May  1 21:33:06 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 21:33:06 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Negatives
In-Reply-To: <B1A4EFB4-6EDA-4799-9097-8E861B6D4D27@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <AC74B674-07FB-4626-98D2-4A3070B89CB7@mac.com>
	<70dda0e425e6c76a88d22d49d4e590a0@virgin.net>
	<781E61A1CA4B42A78DE54A341A9DA829@fujitsu>
	<0c2e2f65a8c7867ba5a45cc5636003e4@virgin.net>
	<B5430B78-EFD5-4351-8EE1-F14E4CB41BB2@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<f51e8e1cb99d79ce07d075adf3c509f4@virgin.net>
	<B1A4EFB4-6EDA-4799-9097-8E861B6D4D27@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <35A11A79-35C7-4ADA-AD9D-8EA71C81986A@durrant.co.uk>

LZW is a lossless compression scheme. You can save TIFFs as LZW TIFFs  
without any worry about losing fine detail.

This is in contrast to JPEG, of course, which throws away fine detail  
- more and more as your reduce the file size/quality.

Paul

On 1 May 2009, at 20:34, Simon Royal wrote:

>
> I just wondered if you knew anything about LZW compression.



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri May  1 22:16:31 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 22:16:31 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Negatives
In-Reply-To: <35A11A79-35C7-4ADA-AD9D-8EA71C81986A@durrant.co.uk>
References: <AC74B674-07FB-4626-98D2-4A3070B89CB7@mac.com>
	<70dda0e425e6c76a88d22d49d4e590a0@virgin.net>
	<781E61A1CA4B42A78DE54A341A9DA829@fujitsu>
	<0c2e2f65a8c7867ba5a45cc5636003e4@virgin.net>
	<B5430B78-EFD5-4351-8EE1-F14E4CB41BB2@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<f51e8e1cb99d79ce07d075adf3c509f4@virgin.net>
	<B1A4EFB4-6EDA-4799-9097-8E861B6D4D27@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<35A11A79-35C7-4ADA-AD9D-8EA71C81986A@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4B260451-B665-4942-9C10-70AAA2393878@simonroyal.co.uk>

Paul

Thanks. I had kind of worked that out. It all looked good on paper -  
but I wondered if it worked in practice.

LZW compressed TIFFs are considerably smaller file size wise than  
uncompressed TIFFs, but once it's lost its lost.

Simon

On 1 May 2009, at 21:33, Paul Durrant wrote:

> LZW is a lossless compression scheme. You can save TIFFs as LZW TIFFs
> without any worry about losing fine detail.
>
> This is in contrast to JPEG, of course, which throws away fine detail
> - more and more as your reduce the file size/quality.
>
> Paul
>
> On 1 May 2009, at 20:34, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>>
>> I just wondered if you knew anything about LZW compression.
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
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From kelvinyoungs at mac.com  Fri May  1 22:21:23 2009
From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 22:21:23 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Negatives
In-Reply-To: <160270B6-6A82-4EBA-864F-831BABFE702E@zen.co.uk>
References: <AC74B674-07FB-4626-98D2-4A3070B89CB7@mac.com>
	<70dda0e425e6c76a88d22d49d4e590a0@virgin.net>
	<DAD9ECCD-5F8E-4D94-906D-4A82356D7DD2@mac.com>
	<160270B6-6A82-4EBA-864F-831BABFE702E@zen.co.uk>
Message-ID: <FD672E20-2D6E-4A4E-ABC9-BCED44E3E096@mac.com>

These are from film Steven - about 800 of them.
Which flatbed scanner would be the most cost effective for us do you  
think?
We don't need them huge as they will be simply held for our records -  
some we will use on our website and of course all are available free  
of charge for relatives.
I think that one of our members suggested the Epson Perfection 3200  
Photo but that is no longer made.

Kelvin
On 1 May 2009, at 20:19, Steven Jefferson wrote:

> Are these negatives on film (as opposed to glass) If so you should
> just scan them using a flatbed scanner at 300dpi for 100%, 600 dpi for
> 200%, 1200 dpi for 400% enlargements. They pick out a hell of a lot of
> detail!
>
> Steven Jefferson
> steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Fri May  1 23:17:30 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 23:17:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Negatives
In-Reply-To: <FD672E20-2D6E-4A4E-ABC9-BCED44E3E096@mac.com>
References: <AC74B674-07FB-4626-98D2-4A3070B89CB7@mac.com>
	<70dda0e425e6c76a88d22d49d4e590a0@virgin.net>
	<DAD9ECCD-5F8E-4D94-906D-4A82356D7DD2@mac.com>
	<160270B6-6A82-4EBA-864F-831BABFE702E@zen.co.uk>
	<FD672E20-2D6E-4A4E-ABC9-BCED44E3E096@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B003CDD9-006E-4DB5-99B4-EDC74192BF67@zen.co.uk>

Any good quality scanner will do. I did it ages ago with a UMAX  
Scanner, You might ned to reverse the image in Photoshop but that's no  
problem.

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 1 May 2009, at 22:21, Kelvin Youngs wrote:

> These are from film Steven - about 800 of them.
> Which flatbed scanner would be the most cost effective for us do you
> think?
> We don't need them huge as they will be simply held for our records -
> some we will use on our website and of course all are available free
> of charge for relatives.
> I think that one of our members suggested the Epson Perfection 3200
> Photo but that is no longer made.
>
> Kelvin
> On 1 May 2009, at 20:19, Steven Jefferson wrote:
>
>> Are these negatives on film (as opposed to glass) If so you should
>> just scan them using a flatbed scanner at 300dpi for 100%, 600 dpi  
>> for
>> 200%, 1200 dpi for 400% enlargements. They pick out a hell of a lot  
>> of
>> detail!
>>
>> Steven Jefferson
>> steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From kelvinyoungs at mac.com  Fri May  1 23:19:29 2009
From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 23:19:29 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Negatives
In-Reply-To: <B003CDD9-006E-4DB5-99B4-EDC74192BF67@zen.co.uk>
References: <AC74B674-07FB-4626-98D2-4A3070B89CB7@mac.com>
	<70dda0e425e6c76a88d22d49d4e590a0@virgin.net>
	<DAD9ECCD-5F8E-4D94-906D-4A82356D7DD2@mac.com>
	<160270B6-6A82-4EBA-864F-831BABFE702E@zen.co.uk>
	<FD672E20-2D6E-4A4E-ABC9-BCED44E3E096@mac.com>
	<B003CDD9-006E-4DB5-99B4-EDC74192BF67@zen.co.uk>
Message-ID: <30B5DECE-C308-4E1C-B5D5-F1DE82A6ACBF@mac.com>

Any scanner?
It must be a special surely?

On 1 May 2009, at 23:17, Steven Jefferson wrote:

> Any good quality scanner will do. I did it ages ago with a UMAX
> Scanner, You might ned to reverse the image in Photoshop but that's no
> problem.



From bazyoungs at mac.com  Fri May  1 23:28:41 2009
From: bazyoungs at mac.com (Barry Youngs)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 23:28:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Negatives
In-Reply-To: <30B5DECE-C308-4E1C-B5D5-F1DE82A6ACBF@mac.com>
References: <AC74B674-07FB-4626-98D2-4A3070B89CB7@mac.com>
	<70dda0e425e6c76a88d22d49d4e590a0@virgin.net>
	<DAD9ECCD-5F8E-4D94-906D-4A82356D7DD2@mac.com>
	<160270B6-6A82-4EBA-864F-831BABFE702E@zen.co.uk>
	<FD672E20-2D6E-4A4E-ABC9-BCED44E3E096@mac.com>
	<B003CDD9-006E-4DB5-99B4-EDC74192BF67@zen.co.uk>
	<30B5DECE-C308-4E1C-B5D5-F1DE82A6ACBF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <55633976-663F-4AE6-8406-CC8C49E3A6DC@mac.com>

It says in the article below that you can do it with normal scanners.  
Worth a try before investing in the proper equipment.
Baz
http://www.ehow.com/how_4549456_scanning-35mm-negatives.html

On 1 May 2009, at 23:19, Kelvin Youngs wrote:

> Any scanner?

The first myth of management is that it exists.





From tomkershaw at mac.com  Sat May  2 02:44:38 2009
From: tomkershaw at mac.com (Tom Kershaw)
Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 02:44:38 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Negatives
In-Reply-To: <30B5DECE-C308-4E1C-B5D5-F1DE82A6ACBF@mac.com>
References: <AC74B674-07FB-4626-98D2-4A3070B89CB7@mac.com>
	<70dda0e425e6c76a88d22d49d4e590a0@virgin.net>
	<DAD9ECCD-5F8E-4D94-906D-4A82356D7DD2@mac.com>
	<160270B6-6A82-4EBA-864F-831BABFE702E@zen.co.uk>
	<FD672E20-2D6E-4A4E-ABC9-BCED44E3E096@mac.com>
	<B003CDD9-006E-4DB5-99B4-EDC74192BF67@zen.co.uk>
	<30B5DECE-C308-4E1C-B5D5-F1DE82A6ACBF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <49FBA586.9020006@mac.com>

Kelvin,

As these are 4x5 negatives you need a scanner with a transparency 
capability. Try:

Epson V700:

http://www.jigsaw24.com/default.aspx?IP=&ITEM=JIGSX264ALA

I use a Nikon medium format film scanner and an old Microtek flatbed, 
but these Epson units do seem to get positive reviews for what they are.

Tom.

Kelvin Youngs wrote:
> Any scanner?
> It must be a special surely?
>
> On 1 May 2009, at 23:17, Steven Jefferson wrote:
>
>   
>> Any good quality scanner will do. I did it ages ago with a UMAX
>> Scanner, You might ned to reverse the image in Photoshop but that's no
>> problem.
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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>   



From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Sat May  2 07:27:05 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 07:27:05 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Negatives
In-Reply-To: <49FBA586.9020006@mac.com>
References: <AC74B674-07FB-4626-98D2-4A3070B89CB7@mac.com>
	<70dda0e425e6c76a88d22d49d4e590a0@virgin.net>
	<DAD9ECCD-5F8E-4D94-906D-4A82356D7DD2@mac.com>
	<160270B6-6A82-4EBA-864F-831BABFE702E@zen.co.uk>
	<FD672E20-2D6E-4A4E-ABC9-BCED44E3E096@mac.com>
	<B003CDD9-006E-4DB5-99B4-EDC74192BF67@zen.co.uk>
	<30B5DECE-C308-4E1C-B5D5-F1DE82A6ACBF@mac.com>
	<49FBA586.9020006@mac.com>
Message-ID: <16A394D0-4308-44D3-BB8B-64FC9293AE58@zen.co.uk>

If these are 4x5 negs just laying them on a flatbed will give a decent  
sized image. All that then needs to be done is to reverse it in  
Photoshop. I've done it. Large Format neg scanners cost a lot for a  
limited need.

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 2 May 2009, at 02:44, Tom Kershaw wrote:

> Kelvin,
>
> As these are 4x5 negatives you need a scanner with a transparency
> capability. Try:
>
> Epson V700:
>
> http://www.jigsaw24.com/default.aspx?IP=&ITEM=JIGSX264ALA
>
> I use a Nikon medium format film scanner and an old Microtek flatbed,
> but these Epson units do seem to get positive reviews for what they  
> are.
>
> Tom.
>
> Kelvin Youngs wrote:
>> Any scanner?
>> It must be a special surely?
>>
>> On 1 May 2009, at 23:17, Steven Jefferson wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Any good quality scanner will do. I did it ages ago with a UMAX
>>> Scanner, You might ned to reverse the image in Photoshop but  
>>> that's no
>>> problem.
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From tomkershaw at mac.com  Sat May  2 11:15:08 2009
From: tomkershaw at mac.com (Tom Kershaw)
Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 11:15:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Negatives
In-Reply-To: <16A394D0-4308-44D3-BB8B-64FC9293AE58@zen.co.uk>
References: <AC74B674-07FB-4626-98D2-4A3070B89CB7@mac.com>
	<70dda0e425e6c76a88d22d49d4e590a0@virgin.net>
	<DAD9ECCD-5F8E-4D94-906D-4A82356D7DD2@mac.com>
	<160270B6-6A82-4EBA-864F-831BABFE702E@zen.co.uk>
	<FD672E20-2D6E-4A4E-ABC9-BCED44E3E096@mac.com>
	<B003CDD9-006E-4DB5-99B4-EDC74192BF67@zen.co.uk>
	<30B5DECE-C308-4E1C-B5D5-F1DE82A6ACBF@mac.com>
	<49FBA586.9020006@mac.com>
	<16A394D0-4308-44D3-BB8B-64FC9293AE58@zen.co.uk>
Message-ID: <49FC1D2C.6050804@mac.com>

Steven,

Are you referring to scanning the negative as a reflective, with a white 
paper background? Although I have not tried this technique with negative 
film I suspect you would limit resolution potential which may or may not 
be important. In another context I have made scans of glass plate 
negatives but these were not of such high resolution to begin with. I 
should probably revisit them at some point to make silver gelatin prints.

Self evidently film negatives can of varying quality, but 5x4" negatives 
from the 1940s or 1950s shouldn't pose quality issues in as much as 
being 50 or 60 years old.

Tom.

Steven Jefferson wrote:
> If these are 4x5 negs just laying them on a flatbed will give a decent  
> sized image. All that then needs to be done is to reverse it in  
> Photoshop. I've done it. Large Format neg scanners cost a lot for a  
> limited need.
>
> Steven Jefferson
> steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk
>
>
>
> On 2 May 2009, at 02:44, Tom Kershaw wrote:
>
>   
>> Kelvin,
>>
>> As these are 4x5 negatives you need a scanner with a transparency
>> capability. Try:
>>
>> Epson V700:
>>
>> http://www.jigsaw24.com/default.aspx?IP=&ITEM=JIGSX264ALA
>>
>> I use a Nikon medium format film scanner and an old Microtek flatbed,
>> but these Epson units do seem to get positive reviews for what they  
>> are.
>>
>> Tom.
>>
>> Kelvin Youngs wrote:
>>     
>>> Any scanner?
>>> It must be a special surely?
>>>
>>> On 1 May 2009, at 23:17, Steven Jefferson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Any good quality scanner will do. I did it ages ago with a UMAX
>>>> Scanner, You might ned to reverse the image in Photoshop but  
>>>> that's no
>>>> problem.
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
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>   



From tobiasarnup at onetel.com  Sat May  2 12:01:22 2009
From: tobiasarnup at onetel.com (Tobias Arnup)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 12:01:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac Basics Meeting
In-Reply-To: <C4B41296-67E9-4E5E-99AC-6522B44A8E9C@mac.com>
References: <C4B41296-67E9-4E5E-99AC-6522B44A8E9C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <12B2AF7D-D950-4A4C-951E-7A4FC2764638@onetel.com>

Thank you Alan

Sorry not to have mailed you sooner.  Would like to come on Sat 9th  
and to subsequent meetings when I can.
regards
Tobias

On 28 Apr 2009, at 13:43, Alan Barber wrote:

>> Richard Nevill has offered to do a Mac introductory course at
>> St. Matthews Church
>> Telegraph Lane West,
>> Norwich
>> on Sat 9th May starting at 10.00.
>>
>>


From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Sat May  2 12:11:21 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 12:11:21 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Negatives
In-Reply-To: <49FC1D2C.6050804@mac.com>
References: <AC74B674-07FB-4626-98D2-4A3070B89CB7@mac.com>
	<70dda0e425e6c76a88d22d49d4e590a0@virgin.net>
	<DAD9ECCD-5F8E-4D94-906D-4A82356D7DD2@mac.com>
	<160270B6-6A82-4EBA-864F-831BABFE702E@zen.co.uk>
	<FD672E20-2D6E-4A4E-ABC9-BCED44E3E096@mac.com>
	<B003CDD9-006E-4DB5-99B4-EDC74192BF67@zen.co.uk>
	<30B5DECE-C308-4E1C-B5D5-F1DE82A6ACBF@mac.com>
	<49FBA586.9020006@mac.com>
	<16A394D0-4308-44D3-BB8B-64FC9293AE58@zen.co.uk>
	<49FC1D2C.6050804@mac.com>
Message-ID: <FB9799C7-1F87-427D-B992-8C68182B963A@zen.co.uk>

Yes,

Most scanners can do at least 2400 doi without interpolation nowadays  
with a 4x5 (I assume inch) neg size scanning at 2400 dpi is a 4 x  
magnification. This gives a potential 16" x 20" print which is likely  
big enough for anyone!

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 2 May 2009, at 11:15, Tom Kershaw wrote:

> Steven,
>
> Are you referring to scanning the negative as a reflective, with a  
> white
> paper background? Although I have not tried this technique with  
> negative
> film I suspect you would limit resolution potential which may or may  
> not
> be important. In another context I have made scans of glass plate
> negatives but these were not of such high resolution to begin with. I
> should probably revisit them at some point to make silver gelatin  
> prints.
>
> Self evidently film negatives can of varying quality, but 5x4"  
> negatives
> from the 1940s or 1950s shouldn't pose quality issues in as much as
> being 50 or 60 years old.
>
> Tom.
>
> Steven Jefferson wrote:
>> If these are 4x5 negs just laying them on a flatbed will give a  
>> decent
>> sized image. All that then needs to be done is to reverse it in
>> Photoshop. I've done it. Large Format neg scanners cost a lot for a
>> limited need.
>>
>> Steven Jefferson
>> steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2 May 2009, at 02:44, Tom Kershaw wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Kelvin,
>>>
>>> As these are 4x5 negatives you need a scanner with a transparency
>>> capability. Try:
>>>
>>> Epson V700:
>>>
>>> http://www.jigsaw24.com/default.aspx?IP=&ITEM=JIGSX264ALA
>>>
>>> I use a Nikon medium format film scanner and an old Microtek  
>>> flatbed,
>>> but these Epson units do seem to get positive reviews for what they
>>> are.
>>>
>>> Tom.
>>>
>>> Kelvin Youngs wrote:
>>>
>>>> Any scanner?
>>>> It must be a special surely?
>>>>
>>>> On 1 May 2009, at 23:17, Steven Jefferson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Any good quality scanner will do. I did it ages ago with a UMAX
>>>>> Scanner, You might ned to reverse the image in Photoshop but
>>>>> that's no
>>>>> problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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>
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From Interjay2 at btinternet.com  Sat May  2 20:50:59 2009
From: Interjay2 at btinternet.com (Peter James)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 20:50:59 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] eMac in Horsford
Message-ID: <F4D93CAFAD994BC0A08C73FCE40AF661@fujitsu>

This has now been taken,
Thanks for letting me post the 'for sale' in the first place.
PJ


From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk  Sat May  2 22:00:59 2009
From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 22:00:59 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] THe wonders of Time Machine
Message-ID: <50FE93D7-9D49-4297-8AB2-584FC8B42D4A@freeflightsupplies.co.uk>

For the first time I found that I needed to use Time Machine. I messed  
up my file copy of a page of my web site. So I went into Time Machine  
and back to yesterday and hit restore. All was sorted just like that!  
What a super bit of software.

Michael Woodhouse
mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk
http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/






From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Sun May  3 14:56:32 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (martin fry)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 14:56:32 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Negatives
In-Reply-To: <FD672E20-2D6E-4A4E-ABC9-BCED44E3E096@mac.com>
References: <AC74B674-07FB-4626-98D2-4A3070B89CB7@mac.com>
	<70dda0e425e6c76a88d22d49d4e590a0@virgin.net>
	<DAD9ECCD-5F8E-4D94-906D-4A82356D7DD2@mac.com>
	<160270B6-6A82-4EBA-864F-831BABFE702E@zen.co.uk>
	<FD672E20-2D6E-4A4E-ABC9-BCED44E3E096@mac.com>
Message-ID: <A688BE01-734A-4663-AA6C-9CACA60888A8@virgin.net>

Hi  Kelvin

A friend of mine at Exposure cameras had an Epson perfection 3200  
photo scanner for sale with all the bits, for offers around ?100.00.

  Quite expensive I though but as I got mine for ?20.00 maybe I just  
got a better deal.

Regards

martin



> These are from film Steven - about 800 of them.
> Which flatbed scanner would be the most cost effective for us do you
> think?
> We don't need them huge as they will be simply held for our records -
> some we will use on our website and of course all are available free
> of charge for relatives.
> I think that one of our members suggested the Epson Perfection 3200
> Photo but that is no longer made.
>
> Kelvin
> On 1 May 2009, at 20:19, Steven Jefferson wrote:
>
>> Are these negatives on film (as opposed to glass) If so you should
>> just scan them using a flatbed scanner at 300dpi for 100%, 600 dpi  
>> for
>> 200%, 1200 dpi for 400% enlargements. They pick out a hell of a  
>> lot of
>> detail!
>>
>> Steven Jefferson
>> steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun May  3 20:21:06 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun,  3 May 2009 20:21:06 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] TiBook Wanted
Message-ID: <3bdHl5X6l7Xq.Q1ZfrPYj@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi. I am on the look out for another tibook. I have an 867 mhz and love it. I picked up a 400 mhz from Steven for my little boy and am now thinking of getting one for my other son. I dont want an iBook as they are not very reliable. So if anyone has one let me know. Simon   --- visit my Mac website at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - (sent using a Nokia N82)



From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk  Mon May  4 18:32:56 2009
From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 18:32:56 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mouse Right button
Message-ID: <34C16419-BE65-49A5-9B13-E115CC1DB438@themagic.me.uk>

I have a Wireless Mighty Mouse (about a month old) and cannot get any  
reaction when I try to activate Right Mouse Button. I have tried  
pressing my thumb in many places but nothing happens. I have the prefs  
as I think they should be but may not have understood them correctly.

I previously used the Mighty Mouse with cable and although sometimes  
had difficulty getting right button to react it did occasionally.

What am I doing wrong, please?

Anthony



From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Mon May  4 18:41:30 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Mon, 04 May 2009 18:41:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mouse Right button
In-Reply-To: <34C16419-BE65-49A5-9B13-E115CC1DB438@themagic.me.uk>
Message-ID: <C624E75A.2964E%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

Sometimes my wireless MM is slow to activate as a right click - so it may be
that there is something wrong with the mouse?

You have set the right side of the mouse to secondary button in keyboard and
Mouse in System Preferences?

That's all I did.
regards
Brian

Anthony Brahams said recently:

> I have a Wireless Mighty Mouse (about a month old) and cannot get any
> reaction when I try to activate Right Mouse Button. I have tried
> pressing my thumb in many places but nothing happens. I have the prefs
> as I think they should be but may not have understood them correctly.
> 
> I previously used the Mighty Mouse with cable and although sometimes
> had difficulty getting right button to react it did occasionally.
> 
> What am I doing wrong, please?
> 
> Anthony
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From macman at f2s.com  Mon May  4 19:26:58 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 19:26:58 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mouse Right button
In-Reply-To: <34C16419-BE65-49A5-9B13-E115CC1DB438@themagic.me.uk>
References: <34C16419-BE65-49A5-9B13-E115CC1DB438@themagic.me.uk>
Message-ID: <6A3DF9C9-5CB1-4FEE-BDE6-B1B92996A525@f2s.com>

System Preferences > Keyboard & Mouse > Mouse  and allocate what  
action you want it to take ....

Mine works beautifully (but don't throw away your wired one, as if you  
have to start in single user or safe mode, it may not work ....., as  
the bluetooth may not load ...)

Robbie


On 4 May 2009, at 18:32, Anthony Brahams wrote:

I have a Wireless Mighty Mouse (about a month old) and cannot get any
reaction when I try to activate Right Mouse Button. I have tried
pressing my thumb in many places but nothing happens. I have the prefs
as I think they should be but may not have understood them correctly.

I previously used the Mighty Mouse with cable and although sometimes
had difficulty getting right button to react it did occasionally.

What am I doing wrong, please?

Anthony

_______________________________________________
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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon May  4 20:34:08 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 20:34:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mouse Right button
In-Reply-To: <34C16419-BE65-49A5-9B13-E115CC1DB438@themagic.me.uk>
References: <34C16419-BE65-49A5-9B13-E115CC1DB438@themagic.me.uk>
Message-ID: <6828597F-A9A9-4E85-A912-3B76DB1A8CF0@durrant.co.uk>

When I had a mighty mouse, I found I needed to remove my finger from  
the left side of the mouse when pressing on the right side to get a  
reliable right click. But I don't know if this is general, or just me/ 
my mouse.

Paul

On 4 May 2009, at 18:32, Anthony Brahams wrote:

> I have a Wireless Mighty Mouse (about a month old) and cannot get any
> reaction when I try to activate Right Mouse Button. I have tried
> pressing my thumb in many places but nothing happens. I have the prefs
> as I think they should be but may not have understood them correctly.
>
> I previously used the Mighty Mouse with cable and although sometimes
> had difficulty getting right button to react it did occasionally.
>
> What am I doing wrong, please?
>
> Anthony
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk  Mon May  4 20:36:34 2009
From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 20:36:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mouse Right button
In-Reply-To: <C624E75A.2964E%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
References: <C624E75A.2964E%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
Message-ID: <ED91D469-197E-41D7-A883-699A28803C68@themagic.me.uk>

Where is the exact place on the mouse to press for the right button?

I should mention that the side buttons do nothing and cannot even be  
pressed in.

Anthony

On 4 May 2009, at 18:41, Brian Steere wrote:

> Sometimes my wireless MM is slow to activate as a right click - so  
> it may be
> that there is something wrong with the mouse?
>
> You have set the right side of the mouse to secondary button in  
> keyboard and
> Mouse in System Preferences?
>
> That's all I did.
> regards
> Brian
>
> Anthony Brahams said recently:
>
>> I have a Wireless Mighty Mouse (about a month old) and cannot get any
>> reaction when I try to activate Right Mouse Button. I have tried
>> pressing my thumb in many places but nothing happens. I have the  
>> prefs
>> as I think they should be but may not have understood them correctly.
>>
>> I previously used the Mighty Mouse with cable and although sometimes
>> had difficulty getting right button to react it did occasionally.
>>
>> What am I doing wrong, please?
>>
>> Anthony
>>
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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon May  4 20:45:47 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 20:45:47 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mouse Right button
In-Reply-To: <ED91D469-197E-41D7-A883-699A28803C68@themagic.me.uk>
References: <C624E75A.2964E%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
	<ED91D469-197E-41D7-A883-699A28803C68@themagic.me.uk>
Message-ID: <F75FE58D-E853-4295-AE44-81E9CF09BBD9@durrant.co.uk>

Top front right hand side. The side buttons don't do anything unless  
you've told them to do something in the preferences panel (Nor do they  
press in as such - it's the pressure with which thei'r held, IIRC).

Paul

On 4 May 2009, at 20:36, Anthony Brahams wrote:

> Where is the exact place on the mouse to press for the right button?
>
> I should mention that the side buttons do nothing and cannot even be
> pressed in.
>
> Anthony
>
> On 4 May 2009, at 18:41, Brian Steere wrote:
>
>> Sometimes my wireless MM is slow to activate as a right click - so
>> it may be
>> that there is something wrong with the mouse?
>>
>> You have set the right side of the mouse to secondary button in
>> keyboard and
>> Mouse in System Preferences?
>>
>> That's all I did.
>> regards
>> Brian
>>
>> Anthony Brahams said recently:
>>
>>> I have a Wireless Mighty Mouse (about a month old) and cannot get  
>>> any
>>> reaction when I try to activate Right Mouse Button. I have tried
>>> pressing my thumb in many places but nothing happens. I have the
>>> prefs
>>> as I think they should be but may not have understood them  
>>> correctly.
>>>
>>> I previously used the Mighty Mouse with cable and although sometimes
>>> had difficulty getting right button to react it did occasionally.
>>>
>>> What am I doing wrong, please?
>>>
>>> Anthony
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From macman at f2s.com  Mon May  4 23:07:55 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 23:07:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mouse Right button
In-Reply-To: <ED91D469-197E-41D7-A883-699A28803C68@themagic.me.uk>
References: <C624E75A.2964E%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
	<ED91D469-197E-41D7-A883-699A28803C68@themagic.me.uk>
Message-ID: <842501F0-3514-46BA-A746-A49EE65F4DF3@f2s.com>

If both are squeezed at the same time, it will do whatever has been  
programmed in the mouse preferences, but it's a bit hit & miss ...


On 4 May 2009, at 20:36, Anthony Brahams wrote:

I should mention that the side buttons do nothing and cannot even be
pressed in.

Anthony





From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Tue May  5 01:03:07 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 01:03:07 +0100
Subject: [NMUG]  Mouse Right button
Message-ID: <49FF823B.2030602@stackyard.org>

Just to throw in a bit of heresy here - I actually prefer an ordinary PC 
mouse because I like the positive clicks from the three explicit buttons 
(two buttons and wheel switch) - but that's just me.  I have had a 
customer who managed to accidentally move/delete files due to the vague 
button action of a MightyMouse.  I actually use a Logitech wireless 
rollerball.  It just stays put on the desk and requires no moving room, 
though some people may not like having to use the thumb instead of the 
arm/wrist.

As others have indicated, the side buttons on the MM can be programmed 
with various capabilities through the system preferences including 
useful features such as Dashboard activation.

Ken



From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Tue May  5 02:30:46 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 02:30:46 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mouse Right button
In-Reply-To: <842501F0-3514-46BA-A746-A49EE65F4DF3@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <C6255556.29690%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

I found it hit and hit - in other words I couldn't reliably miss activating
them when I didn't want them. If I could adjust the pressure I could make
them useful.
(I'll try the remove left finger - thanks for the tip Paul D.)

Anthony - anywhere on the front right should be a right click if you set
that in System Preferences.

all the best
Brian


Robbie Murray said recently:

> If both are squeezed at the same time, it will do whatever has been
> programmed in the mouse preferences, but it's a bit hit & miss ...
> 
> 
> On 4 May 2009, at 20:36, Anthony Brahams wrote:
> 
> I should mention that the side buttons do nothing and cannot even be
> pressed in.
> 
> Anthony
> 
> 
> 
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From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Tue May  5 07:32:33 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 07:32:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] In Hell They Know You're Invalid
Message-ID: <27447352-EAC9-4455-AD2A-2B56AD6F9482@gmail.com>

There was no escaping it. I had put it off for some time, but weird  
results on PCs from my web development exercise meant I had to fire up  
my Virtual Machine on my MacBook and get Windows XP running.

Installing was no problem, and now I was on the Dark Side.. (hang on,  
excuse me for a mo.. there's a pop up warning I MIGHT BE AT RISK...  
OMG, what's happening??.. click the box to go away, I am busy )  where  
was I, oh yes, on the Dark Side, well the story is.. (THE BOX IS BACK  
AGAIN.. AM I SURE I WANTED TO CLICK THE BOX AWAY?)  yes, CLICK.. see,  
what I am trying to do is rather simple .. oh sweet mother of jazus,  
now I'm getting a beep and something on the browser is flashing..  
Active X.. do I need a detergent at this point I ask myself?.. click a  
yellow box.. OK done that, now back to where I was telling you about  
my application, the problem is rather simple, something works in every  
other browser known to man, but if doesn't work in Explorer, so..  
(here's another box.. now NEW HARDWARE HAS BEEN DETECTED.. is this  
thing magic? How did it know about the new Hoover just come in the  
door?.. no, seems it's discovered a keyboard that has always been  
there.. do I want a new driver?... GO AWAY BOX! Click! There it's  
gone, no, it's back again.. did I really mean it when I clicked it to  
go away? YES I BLOODY WELL MEAN IT.. BU*%ER OFF!  OMG.. the system  
thinks I might be running invalid software, do I want to be validated  
by Microsoft.. well, no, to be truthful I really want to get on with  
my work, but this pop up won't go away unless I make a non boolean  
choice between RUN YES OK APPLY and CONTINUE.. which one? I think I'll  
hit CANCEL.. now, where was I? Yes the problem seems to be that  
Javascript on Explorer is somewhat non standard.. OH FOR CHRIST SAKE  
WHAT NOW..?  I MUST RUN THE VALIDATION SOFTWARE OR I WILL BE CONDEMNED  
TO LIVE IN HELL  (this isn't hell already? here on the Dark Side??) OK  
I will validate.. Now I have a 'progress box' with 2 bars running..  
one says Installation Progress and it seems to be running quite  
slowly, but there's another bar running called Application Install..  
what the hell is that? What do I need TWO progress bars for? Now I've  
got a HEALTH WARNING about my being at risk.. shouldn't I have an anti- 
virus package installed? OK, I've got one, bu&^er off I'm trying to  
work.. so what I want to do it, get this little Javascript routine  
tested.. OMG.. now the installation progress thing has detected an  
error and need to get back to Microsoft, am I Validated it wants to  
know..  IT WANTS ME TO TELL IT IF I AM VALIDATED!!!?? HOW THE HELL DO  
I KNOW, YOU'RE THE COMPUTER, YOU TELL ME.. CLICK.. so I get the  
debugger running, IT"S BACK AGAIN..(CONTINUES FOR 94 PAGES...)

Stop XP.. back to my Mac.. ah! Bisto!


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue May  5 08:14:50 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 08:14:50 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] In Hell They Know You're Invalid
In-Reply-To: <27447352-EAC9-4455-AD2A-2B56AD6F9482@gmail.com>
References: <27447352-EAC9-4455-AD2A-2B56AD6F9482@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <161D974A-16D9-4AED-A846-9AC8F8E0FB13@durrant.co.uk>

For those who've never run Windows, and are wondering whether Stefan  
is exaggerating, he really isn't. If you boot up a Windows machine  
after it's been off for a few weeks you get amazing amounts of  
warnings and requests for updates.

Quite a few of them are because the virus threat on Windows is so  
severe that if you don't update your anti-virus software every day or  
two, you're at much greater risk of infection.

And then there's Windows constantly wanting to install new software on  
your machine that wil examine your machine, and if it thinks you've  
got an unauthorised copy of Windows it will switch Windows into some  
kind of restricted mode until you prove to Microsoft that your copy is  
genuine. (No, really.)

If you run Windows every day it's a little better. You only need to  
spend a couple of minutes each morning authorising (or not) various  
updates and changes.

Paul

On 5 May 2009, at 07:32, stefan youngs wrote:

> There was no escaping it. I had put it off for some time, but weird
> results on PCs from my web development exercise meant I had to fire up
> my Virtual Machine on my MacBook and get Windows XP running.
> [...]


From macman at f2s.com  Tue May  5 08:27:33 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 08:27:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] In Hell They Know You're Invalid
In-Reply-To: <27447352-EAC9-4455-AD2A-2B56AD6F9482@gmail.com>
References: <27447352-EAC9-4455-AD2A-2B56AD6F9482@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <687DDC12-EB23-48C6-8456-8222EEF14799@f2s.com>

Maybe you should have gone for Vista for the enhanced experience!


On 5 May 2009, at 07:32, stefan youngs wrote:

........, IT"S BACK AGAIN..(CONTINUES FOR 94 PAGES...)

Stop XP.. back to my Mac.. ah! Bisto!
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From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Tue May  5 08:38:05 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 08:38:05 +0100
Subject: [NMUG]  In Hell They Know You're Invalid
Message-ID: <49FFECDD.9040706@stackyard.org>

Welcome to the Wonderful World of Windows!  Activation is indeed a 
wonderful thing to behold.  I've had a couple of situations when, after 
a repair install, Windows won't let you log in because it hasn't been 
activated - but it can't be activated without logging in.  Then there 
are the situations where it won't perform an automatic network 
activation because the Ethernet port hasn't discovered itself and it 
can't do that until Windows is activated.  At that point, you have to 
call the activation line and talk to a robotic woman who listens while 
you type in an endless sequence of numbers on the phone keypad and then 
(if you're very lucky) robotically recites to you an equally endless 
series of numbers to type into a group of fields on the screen.  Love 
it!  This is all in aid of Gates, Ballmer and co who are all poor old 
folks who need to look after their pensions.  After all, times are tough.

Ken


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue May  5 09:38:48 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 09:38:48 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] In Hell They Know You're Invalid
In-Reply-To: <161D974A-16D9-4AED-A846-9AC8F8E0FB13@durrant.co.uk>
References: <27447352-EAC9-4455-AD2A-2B56AD6F9482@gmail.com>
	<161D974A-16D9-4AED-A846-9AC8F8E0FB13@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ED119487-4992-496B-9657-771DEF68E135@simonroyal.co.uk>

Ha Ha Ha

Don't you just love Windows. It really does get annoying with pop up  
bubbles all over the place.

It never ceases to amaze me how stupid it can be. First of all, it is  
very rare that Macs need drivers when you add new hardware, but I  
plugged my phone into my wifes laptop - running Vista - to update the  
system software and it searched and installed the drivers for it.

A little while later I plugged it back in and it searched and  
installed drivers yet again. It does it every time I put it in. Why  
the hell doesn't it remember. The same with my old Iomega 128MB flash  
drive. It takes about 20 seconds to load it up, with my Mac it does it  
instantly and never asked for a driver.

The number of pop ups she gets when she turns it on is annoying.  
Toshiba notification pop up, Windows Defender pop up, AVG pop up,  
Spybot pop up. Then you get a stupid notice saying 'your ethernet  
cable is disconnected' - well yes of course it is as I'm wireless.

Running Windows everyday is not any better, you just get to see them  
more often.

Simon

On 5 May 2009, at 08:14, Paul Durrant wrote:

> For those who've never run Windows, and are wondering whether Stefan
> is exaggerating, he really isn't. If you boot up a Windows machine
> after it's been off for a few weeks you get amazing amounts of
> warnings and requests for updates.
>
> Quite a few of them are because the virus threat on Windows is so
> severe that if you don't update your anti-virus software every day or
> two, you're at much greater risk of infection.
>
> And then there's Windows constantly wanting to install new software on
> your machine that wil examine your machine, and if it thinks you've
> got an unauthorised copy of Windows it will switch Windows into some
> kind of restricted mode until you prove to Microsoft that your copy is
> genuine. (No, really.)
>
> If you run Windows every day it's a little better. You only need to
> spend a couple of minutes each morning authorising (or not) various
> updates and changes.
>
> Paul
>
> On 5 May 2009, at 07:32, stefan youngs wrote:
>
>> There was no escaping it. I had put it off for some time, but weird
>> results on PCs from my web development exercise meant I had to fire  
>> up
>> my Virtual Machine on my MacBook and get Windows XP running.
>> [...]
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue May  5 09:43:56 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 09:43:56 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] In Hell They Know You're Invalid
In-Reply-To: <49FFECDD.9040706@stackyard.org>
References: <49FFECDD.9040706@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <44EEA843-12D4-41F6-A030-5F04E686794E@simonroyal.co.uk>

Ken

Microsoft never cease to amaze me. With their 'im gonna stop piracy'  
by making it so difficult for the legit user to get activated and  
indeed keep activated.

With ridiculously long serial numbers and ridiculously long activation  
numbers.

Apple take the relaxed view of, serial number-what-serial number. They  
know the pirates exist. They know it is probably harming their sales.  
But they also realise how ever much they spend trying to prevent it  
and what ever ludicrously long winded method of authentication they  
use - some smart aleck 13 year old kid will hack it within a few hours  
and undo the months and millions they spent on their latest method.

Simon

On 5 May 2009, at 08:38, Ken Hamer wrote:

> Welcome to the Wonderful World of Windows!  Activation is indeed a
> wonderful thing to behold.  I've had a couple of situations when,  
> after
> a repair install, Windows won't let you log in because it hasn't been
> activated - but it can't be activated without logging in.  Then there
> are the situations where it won't perform an automatic network
> activation because the Ethernet port hasn't discovered itself and it
> can't do that until Windows is activated.  At that point, you have to
> call the activation line and talk to a robotic woman who listens while
> you type in an endless sequence of numbers on the phone keypad and  
> then
> (if you're very lucky) robotically recites to you an equally endless
> series of numbers to type into a group of fields on the screen.  Love
> it!  This is all in aid of Gates, Ballmer and co who are all poor old
> folks who need to look after their pensions.  After all, times are  
> tough.
>
> Ken
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
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'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Tue May  5 10:07:01 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 10:07:01 +0100
Subject: [NMUG]  In Hell They Know You're Invalid
References: 49FFECDD.9040706@stackyard.org
Message-ID: <4A0001B5.1090603@stackyard.org>

Yes, sad isn't it?  To be fair, there is a difference in usage model 
between Apple and Microsoft.  Apple control the hardware as well as 
software (aside from those few who have managed to hack MacOS to get it 
to run on a PC) so they know that any machine running MacOS is welcome 
to use it.  Microsoft, on the other hand, are primarily a software 
company so won't get much revenue without some sort of license 
protection.  I suspect Apple would do a similar  thing if the roles were 
reversed - it's just that the process would probably be far more 
straightforward, would work properly and wouldn't penalize the honest.

Ken



From macman at f2s.com  Tue May  5 10:09:11 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:09:11 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] In Hell They Know You're Invalid
In-Reply-To: <49FFECDD.9040706@stackyard.org>
References: <49FFECDD.9040706@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <01062CCD-B5A2-48B2-BE75-FE6140D8ABF8@f2s.com>

For the first time, they actually are - big drops in nett income while  
Apple goes from strength to strength.

I've been following the Windows 7 story, and heard recently that  
although they seemed, until now, to have finally come up with a much  
faster, slicker and tidier OS which addressed much of what was wrong  
with Vista, suddenly the Seeds being released to developers are  
exhibiting a new (old) clunkiness, and it all appears to be going  
backwards.

The general opinion is that maybe someone suddenly thought of  
compatibility with the millions of legacy systems used by business  
around the world, got cold feet and started compromising it to avoid  
uproar.

I was a great supporter of Mac pre-OSX, and took a bit of persuading  
to make the move, but oh boy, what a leap forward it was!

Typical of Apple to have the guts to grasp the nettle and make such a  
fundamental change, but also, perhaps, having enough confidence in the  
loyalty of the user community to inflict a bit of pain (and expense)  
in exchange for massive gain, a fairly safe bet.

As I understand it, no-one at Microsoft can actually pinpoint  
everything that goes on under the hood anymore, as it has constantly  
built shiny new front ends on the original system, all the while  
attempting to keep established users happy, and for all we know there  
may still be chunks of MS-DOS chugging away in the bowels - a bit like  
the new Brawn F1 powered by a side valve Morris Minor engine with 10  
Turbos bolted on!

I'll stick with Apple ......

Robbie





On 5 May 2009, at 08:38, Ken Hamer wrote:

This is all in aid of Gates, Ballmer and co who are all poor old
folks who need to look after their pensions.  After all, times are  
tough.

Ken
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue May  5 13:19:19 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:19:19 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Embedded HTML In Mail
Message-ID: <E78AAE43-7E12-4578-BE77-0965EC9027C3@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I am creating an email newsletter. It is only written in HTML and CSS.

So I have an index.html and a styles.css - both hosted externally and  
the links in HTML and CSS pages are absolute.

How do I embed that into Apple Mail?

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue May  5 13:44:48 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:44:48 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Embedded HTML In Mail
In-Reply-To: <E78AAE43-7E12-4578-BE77-0965EC9027C3@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <E78AAE43-7E12-4578-BE77-0965EC9027C3@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <95584248-087B-4E81-9BB7-76E4DFACF6DA@durrant.co.uk>

I would open the HTML file in Safari, and copy & paste into a new mail  
message.

Alternatively, you could zip the two files up and send as an  
attachment, but I don't think that's the effect you're looking for.

regards,

Paul

On 5 May 2009, at 13:19, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> I am creating an email newsletter. It is only written in HTML and CSS.
>
> So I have an index.html and a styles.css - both hosted externally and
> the links in HTML and CSS pages are absolute.
>
> How do I embed that into Apple Mail?
>


From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Tue May  5 13:48:43 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:48:43 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] In Hell They Know You're Invalid - II
Message-ID: <66F1BEA1-056C-4C97-A301-F0D1D7C71FFE@gmail.com>

What an interesting response!

I'm still plugging away at my XP testing but I thought I'd.. (hang on,  
apparently I don't have a valid license for my mouse... funny that, I  
knew dogs needed one... CLICK).. but I thought I'd chip in with a  
couple of observations.

In my view, a driving force behind Apple has always been that of the  
evangelist.. who really, really wants you to be convinced and makes  
the story as appealing and desirable as can be, which in the case of a  
computer OS means making it firstly EASY to use because if it ain't  
easy, people are going to run a mile (and as we all know, in this  
great country there are people who can do that in less than 4 minutes  
- {I think that one is from TWTWTW written by Peter Cook for a  
masterful impression of Harold Macmillan}). Nobody in their right mind  
would even think of using Windows compared to OSX if you sat them down  
for 8 minutes in front of 2 machines for a side by side test. But, of  
course, Windoze isn't SOLD to punters.. it comes - apparently free  
(but oh! how they are going to find out what  a lie that is over time)  
- with the gleaming bits of plastic that get pushed at them by  
knowledgeable folk at PCWorld. (oh F*&%!!K.. now I need to install a  
Windoze update OR MY WORK WILL DISAPPEAR UP SOME NOSTRIL IN THE FAR  
EAST.. I have to click a box.. CLICK.. OMG now SOMEBODY IS TRYING TO  
INTERFERE WITH MY REGISTRY.. PULL THE PLUG, CALL THE COPS!  hang on.  
that's ME you chump.. CLICK). So there really is no incentive for  
Microsoft to make Windoze really appealing. They can (and do) attempt  
to make it prettier with an amateurish paint-by-numbers 'colour  
coordinated scheme' which looks about as stylish as a Bruno (Borat not  
Frank, though it might be both) fashion statement.. whoever chose that  
awful colour scheme at Microsoft??.. it doesn't matter, it had to be  
authorized by that paragon of good taste, Steve Ballmer, enough  
said.... (here's an interesting bubble from the bottom of the screen   
CONFLICT 345-awg-un-ice.dll... OK, you're the expert, so what?  CLICK).

Then the OS has to be reliable. Who would EVER use an OS that's so  
full of holes the swiss cheese industry has sued over its trademark?  
Well, Microsoft don't really care, In fact, it's a BUSINESS  
OPPORTUNITY for them and all their pals. (As a parallel. you drive  
away in your new car. When you come to fill up the first time, the pop  
up flap falls off and the tank is sealed. You need a patch. You will  
later find this patch needs to be bought again and again as its  
efficacy is based on usage.. You call out the garage.. they point out  
this isn't covered by the warranty. Then the steering wheel refuses to  
turn right, it's really REALLY great turning left ( a world beater in  
fact) and going straight, but RIGHT is now a problem. You try to  
figure out how to do your daily journeys by going counter clockwise  
and decide after a few days that it's just not affordable to be doing  
all these circles.. no problem, Microsoft claims Universal Bragging  
Rights for its left turn technology, and can now bring you the same  
amazing technology (available on Atari in 1970, and now coming to a PC  
near you)  in its  RIGHT TURN FIX for 50 quid). KER-CHING!

THE FACT IS MICROSOFT HAVE NEVER SHOWN THEMSELVES TO BE CUSTOMER  
ORIENTED. They basically do not give a flying fig. They RESPOND to  
complaints, eventually, but so long as Who Flung Dung Computer  
Enterprises buys 5 million licenses every year to go in the box, they  
don't care about you the punter trying to write to his Mum.

If they had ever cared, their opportunity  was with the creation of  
Vista. Here was their opportunity to put the past behind them and do  
it right. But no, underneath the puce colour scheme is Windoze and  
underneath that, just, is DOS from 40 years ago. Talk about flogging a  
dead horse. . Cheaper, see, to do it that way rather than start again  
from scratch. (and don't mumble an explanation involving compatibility  
(as Ogden Nash said on that issue.. men and women are incompatible..  
men have the income and women are pattable).. you have billions of  
cash laying around, so income is not a problem, and wouldn't it be  
nice to get a pat on the back for doing something right for a change?  
- you simply build a Virtual Machine on your new, safe, gleaming and  
appealing OS to run the old crap till eventually it dies the death it  
should have had 10 years ago.

Which of course is how I come to be running XP on a Mac, in a Virtual  
Machine. which reminds me.. I haven't been paying attention.. there  
are 6 pop ups to deal with, all VITAL... so got to be going now.


From rob at atvetsystems.com  Tue May  5 13:55:32 2009
From: rob at atvetsystems.com (Robert Tillyard)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 13:55:32 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Embedded HTML In Mail
In-Reply-To: <95584248-087B-4E81-9BB7-76E4DFACF6DA@durrant.co.uk>
References: <E78AAE43-7E12-4578-BE77-0965EC9027C3@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<95584248-087B-4E81-9BB7-76E4DFACF6DA@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <D573CEEF-4334-46E6-BB37-2C9C0F572C62@atvetsystems.com>

This seems to be broken in the Safari 4 Beta.

Regards, Rob.

On 5 May 2009, at 13:44, Paul Durrant wrote:

> I would open the HTML file in Safari, and copy & paste into a new mail
> message.



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue May  5 14:05:16 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 14:05:16 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] In Hell They Know You're Invalid - II
In-Reply-To: <66F1BEA1-056C-4C97-A301-F0D1D7C71FFE@gmail.com>
References: <66F1BEA1-056C-4C97-A301-F0D1D7C71FFE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <948EFE6E-3F63-4D30-9B40-09F9E4CF1320@simonroyal.co.uk>

Stefan

I'm no Microstuft fan as you know. In fact I won't even run MS Office  
on my Mac just to spite them (not that they care). I only use the .doc  
format because of all the other idiots on planet MS.

However, I have seen Windows 7 and was pleasantly surprised, although  
anything would be nice compared to the steaming heap also called Vista.

Microsoft might be able to dig themselves part way out of the hole  
they are in with Windows 7. Compared to Vista it is stable and a lot  
faster - bearing in mind it is still in beta/RC - but then a bus full  
of individuals from a mental hospital would be more stable than Vista.

It will still be full of the same problems. It's written around the  
same kernel as Vista. So look forward to driver installation every  
five minutes and more pop up than an online poker site. Then we can  
look forward to promised features being missing and a service pack in  
6 months to fix a handful of problems while the rest are forgotten  
about.

Then of course there is the daily security updates which are only  
supposed to be released on a Tuesday, but if they did that then the at  
least half of the Windoze machines in the world would be so badly  
infected with Swine Flu by Friday it would bring the financial world  
to a standstill.

The interesting thing about Windows 7 is this. Internally Vista is  
called Windows 6. Internally Windows 7 is called Windows 6.1 - how  
accurate is that. Vista with a face list.

Simon

On 5 May 2009, at 13:48, stefan youngs wrote:

> What an interesting response!
>
> I'm still plugging away at my XP testing but I thought I'd.. (hang on,
> apparently I don't have a valid license for my mouse... funny that, I
> knew dogs needed one... CLICK).. but I thought I'd chip in with a
> couple of observations.
>
> In my view, a driving force behind Apple has always been that of the
> evangelist.. who really, really wants you to be convinced and makes
> the story as appealing and desirable as can be, which in the case of a
> computer OS means making it firstly EASY to use because if it ain't
> easy, people are going to run a mile (and as we all know, in this
> great country there are people who can do that in less than 4 minutes
> - {I think that one is from TWTWTW written by Peter Cook for a
> masterful impression of Harold Macmillan}). Nobody in their right mind
> would even think of using Windows compared to OSX if you sat them down
> for 8 minutes in front of 2 machines for a side by side test. But, of
> course, Windoze isn't SOLD to punters.. it comes - apparently free
> (but oh! how they are going to find out what  a lie that is over time)
> - with the gleaming bits of plastic that get pushed at them by
> knowledgeable folk at PCWorld. (oh F*&%!!K.. now I need to install a
> Windoze update OR MY WORK WILL DISAPPEAR UP SOME NOSTRIL IN THE FAR
> EAST.. I have to click a box.. CLICK.. OMG now SOMEBODY IS TRYING TO
> INTERFERE WITH MY REGISTRY.. PULL THE PLUG, CALL THE COPS!  hang on.
> that's ME you chump.. CLICK). So there really is no incentive for
> Microsoft to make Windoze really appealing. They can (and do) attempt
> to make it prettier with an amateurish paint-by-numbers 'colour
> coordinated scheme' which looks about as stylish as a Bruno (Borat not
> Frank, though it might be both) fashion statement.. whoever chose that
> awful colour scheme at Microsoft??.. it doesn't matter, it had to be
> authorized by that paragon of good taste, Steve Ballmer, enough
> said.... (here's an interesting bubble from the bottom of the screen
> CONFLICT 345-awg-un-ice.dll... OK, you're the expert, so what?   
> CLICK).
>
> Then the OS has to be reliable. Who would EVER use an OS that's so
> full of holes the swiss cheese industry has sued over its trademark?
> Well, Microsoft don't really care, In fact, it's a BUSINESS
> OPPORTUNITY for them and all their pals. (As a parallel. you drive
> away in your new car. When you come to fill up the first time, the pop
> up flap falls off and the tank is sealed. You need a patch. You will
> later find this patch needs to be bought again and again as its
> efficacy is based on usage.. You call out the garage.. they point out
> this isn't covered by the warranty. Then the steering wheel refuses to
> turn right, it's really REALLY great turning left ( a world beater in
> fact) and going straight, but RIGHT is now a problem. You try to
> figure out how to do your daily journeys by going counter clockwise
> and decide after a few days that it's just not affordable to be doing
> all these circles.. no problem, Microsoft claims Universal Bragging
> Rights for its left turn technology, and can now bring you the same
> amazing technology (available on Atari in 1970, and now coming to a PC
> near you)  in its  RIGHT TURN FIX for 50 quid). KER-CHING!
>
> THE FACT IS MICROSOFT HAVE NEVER SHOWN THEMSELVES TO BE CUSTOMER
> ORIENTED. They basically do not give a flying fig. They RESPOND to
> complaints, eventually, but so long as Who Flung Dung Computer
> Enterprises buys 5 million licenses every year to go in the box, they
> don't care about you the punter trying to write to his Mum.
>
> If they had ever cared, their opportunity  was with the creation of
> Vista. Here was their opportunity to put the past behind them and do
> it right. But no, underneath the puce colour scheme is Windoze and
> underneath that, just, is DOS from 40 years ago. Talk about flogging a
> dead horse. . Cheaper, see, to do it that way rather than start again
> from scratch. (and don't mumble an explanation involving compatibility
> (as Ogden Nash said on that issue.. men and women are incompatible..
> men have the income and women are pattable).. you have billions of
> cash laying around, so income is not a problem, and wouldn't it be
> nice to get a pat on the back for doing something right for a change?
> - you simply build a Virtual Machine on your new, safe, gleaming and
> appealing OS to run the old crap till eventually it dies the death it
> should have had 10 years ago.
>
> Which of course is how I come to be running XP on a Mac, in a Virtual
> Machine. which reminds me.. I haven't been paying attention.. there
> are 6 pop ups to deal with, all VITAL... so got to be going now.
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

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'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From munkt0n at gmail.com  Tue May  5 14:15:45 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 14:15:45 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Embedded HTML In Mail
In-Reply-To: <E78AAE43-7E12-4578-BE77-0965EC9027C3@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <E78AAE43-7E12-4578-BE77-0965EC9027C3@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0905050615k6fc0aa1ft24ad4d5b73b1e4cf@mail.gmail.com>

watch out, external style sheets do not work in most email clients,
it's best to stick with inline styles.

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi
>
> I am creating an email newsletter. It is only written in HTML and CSS.
>
> So I have an index.html and a styles.css - both hosted externally and
> the links in HTML and CSS pages are absolute.
>
> How do I embed that into Apple Mail?
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue May  5 14:17:23 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 14:17:23 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Embedded HTML In Mail
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0905050615k6fc0aa1ft24ad4d5b73b1e4cf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E78AAE43-7E12-4578-BE77-0965EC9027C3@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0905050615k6fc0aa1ft24ad4d5b73b1e4cf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1DFB80AA-F77A-4676-A444-E02C616939E3@simonroyal.co.uk>

Scott

Damn.

Any ideas on how to convert it.

Simon

On 5 May 2009, at 14:15, Scott Matthews wrote:

> watch out, external style sheets do not work in most email clients,
> it's best to stick with inline styles.
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>  
> wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> I am creating an email newsletter. It is only written in HTML and  
>> CSS.
>>
>> So I have an index.html and a styles.css - both hosted externally and
>> the links in HTML and CSS pages are absolute.
>>
>> How do I embed that into Apple Mail?
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> :wq
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
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'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From munkt0n at gmail.com  Tue May  5 14:22:56 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 14:22:56 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Embedded HTML In Mail
In-Reply-To: <1DFB80AA-F77A-4676-A444-E02C616939E3@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <E78AAE43-7E12-4578-BE77-0965EC9027C3@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0905050615k6fc0aa1ft24ad4d5b73b1e4cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<1DFB80AA-F77A-4676-A444-E02C616939E3@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0905050622h5d146d89w34e5eaea8744b338@mail.gmail.com>

no, but there's some good info here

http://www.email-standards.org/

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:
> Scott
>
> Damn.
>
> Any ideas on how to convert it.
>
> Simon
>


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue May  5 14:26:54 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 14:26:54 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Embedded HTML In Mail
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0905050622h5d146d89w34e5eaea8744b338@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E78AAE43-7E12-4578-BE77-0965EC9027C3@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0905050615k6fc0aa1ft24ad4d5b73b1e4cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<1DFB80AA-F77A-4676-A444-E02C616939E3@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0905050622h5d146d89w34e5eaea8744b338@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FD7E22C3-3765-4D0B-994F-F8AF80681068@simonroyal.co.uk>

Scott

For once, it was actually quite easy.

Simply take your external CSS and dump it inside this tag:

<style type="text/css">

put all your CSS info here and put a close tag.

</style>

It's as easy as that. I have just tried it. With no reference to my  
old external CSS and it seemed to pick up the styling perfectly so it  
must be working.

Phew!

Simon

On 5 May 2009, at 14:22, Scott Matthews wrote:

> no, but there's some good info here
>
> http://www.email-standards.org/
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>  
> wrote:
>> Scott
>>
>> Damn.
>>
>> Any ideas on how to convert it.
>>
>> Simon
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From munkt0n at gmail.com  Tue May  5 14:35:49 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 14:35:49 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Embedded HTML In Mail
In-Reply-To: <FD7E22C3-3765-4D0B-994F-F8AF80681068@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <E78AAE43-7E12-4578-BE77-0965EC9027C3@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0905050615k6fc0aa1ft24ad4d5b73b1e4cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<1DFB80AA-F77A-4676-A444-E02C616939E3@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0905050622h5d146d89w34e5eaea8744b338@mail.gmail.com>
	<FD7E22C3-3765-4D0B-994F-F8AF80681068@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0905050635j608da5f2s361213050d92d5bc@mail.gmail.com>

that won't work in gmail, gmail strips out all style tags, from the
head and from the body. some email clients will strip style tags from
the head but allows them in the body, and vice versa.
save yourself a headache and do everything in line, and pray you never
see what your design looks like in Outlook 2007*, which doesn't even
support margins and padding...

* for reasons unknown to science, microsoft decided to switch how
Outlook renders HTML - from the broken but bearable HTML rendering
engine used in IE, to the completely inept HTML rendering engine used
in MS Word 2007.

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:
> Scott
>
> For once, it was actually quite easy.
>
> Simply take your external CSS and dump it inside this tag:
>
> <style type="text/css">
>
> put all your CSS info here and put a close tag.
>
> </style>
>
> It's as easy as that. I have just tried it. With no reference to my
> old external CSS and it seemed to pick up the styling perfectly so it
> must be working.
>
> Phew!
>
> Simon
>
> On 5 May 2009, at 14:22, Scott Matthews wrote:
>
>> no, but there's some good info here
>>
>> http://www.email-standards.org/
>>
>> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> Damn.
>>>
>>> Any ideas on how to convert it.
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue May  5 14:38:09 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 14:38:09 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Embedded HTML In Mail
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0905050635j608da5f2s361213050d92d5bc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E78AAE43-7E12-4578-BE77-0965EC9027C3@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0905050615k6fc0aa1ft24ad4d5b73b1e4cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<1DFB80AA-F77A-4676-A444-E02C616939E3@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0905050622h5d146d89w34e5eaea8744b338@mail.gmail.com>
	<FD7E22C3-3765-4D0B-994F-F8AF80681068@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0905050635j608da5f2s361213050d92d5bc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AB558CF0-08D8-4D58-A973-01C794F7D61F@simonroyal.co.uk>

Scott

How the hell am I going to put it in the body. I thought putting it in  
the head would be fine. It seems to work for viewing in a browser.

Simon

On 5 May 2009, at 14:35, Scott Matthews wrote:

> that won't work in gmail, gmail strips out all style tags, from the
> head and from the body. some email clients will strip style tags from
> the head but allows them in the body, and vice versa.
> save yourself a headache and do everything in line, and pray you never
> see what your design looks like in Outlook 2007*, which doesn't even
> support margins and padding...
>
> * for reasons unknown to science, microsoft decided to switch how
> Outlook renders HTML - from the broken but bearable HTML rendering
> engine used in IE, to the completely inept HTML rendering engine used
> in MS Word 2007.
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>  
> wrote:
>> Scott
>>
>> For once, it was actually quite easy.
>>
>> Simply take your external CSS and dump it inside this tag:
>>
>> <style type="text/css">
>>
>> put all your CSS info here and put a close tag.
>>
>> </style>
>>
>> It's as easy as that. I have just tried it. With no reference to my
>> old external CSS and it seemed to pick up the styling perfectly so it
>> must be working.
>>
>> Phew!
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> On 5 May 2009, at 14:22, Scott Matthews wrote:
>>
>>> no, but there's some good info here
>>>
>>> http://www.email-standards.org/
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Scott
>>>>
>>>> Damn.
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas on how to convert it.
>>>>
>>>> Simon
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> :wq
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
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From macman at f2s.com  Tue May  5 14:39:09 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 14:39:09 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Embedded HTML In Mail
In-Reply-To: <E78AAE43-7E12-4578-BE77-0965EC9027C3@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <E78AAE43-7E12-4578-BE77-0965EC9027C3@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <54BE24D4-DCE5-47D1-944B-ABAAB0E56CC2@f2s.com>

If it's a web page, just Apple+I together will create an email of that  
page complete with links...






On 5 May 2009, at 13:19, Simon Royal wrote:

Hi

I am creating an email newsletter. It is only written in HTML and CSS.

So I have an index.html and a styles.css - both hosted externally and
the links in HTML and CSS pages are absolute.

How do I embed that into Apple Mail?

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)




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From info at fisheyephotography.co.uk  Tue May  5 14:40:56 2009
From: info at fisheyephotography.co.uk (Christopher Stone)
Date: Tue, 05 May 2009 09:40:56 -0400
Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: Powerbook for sale and cube question
Message-ID: <20090505094056.gwnftsnjko4og800@www.fisheyephotography.co.uk>

Hi everyone I am new to this group...I am sure that it will prove
useful. Anyone know where I can get a power cable for a lovely Mac
Cube which I bought from THE US two years ago and have never powered up
yet...it is lovely though.

Also I have a G4 12 inch powerbook for sale.

867 mhz
40 gb hd
superdrive
bluetooth
10.4.11
Ilife 8




Nice piece of kit but now have mac book. Has a few scuffs and marks
from use but works great. Screen needs a small screw as well.

Dont want to waste time with ebay so offers if interested please


Also have a WIRELESS BLUETOOTH KEYBOARD for sale..never used...


Chis


----- End forwarded message -----




From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue May  5 14:41:44 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 14:41:44 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Embedded HTML In Mail
In-Reply-To: <54BE24D4-DCE5-47D1-944B-ABAAB0E56CC2@f2s.com>
References: <E78AAE43-7E12-4578-BE77-0965EC9027C3@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<54BE24D4-DCE5-47D1-944B-ABAAB0E56CC2@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <5B98FF1F-7700-4051-8AAF-F0DF4F38479E@durrant.co.uk>

Oh, that's neat. Much better than copy/paste. Thanks!

Paul

On 5 May 2009, at 14:39, Robbie Murray wrote:

> If it's a web page, just Apple+I together will create an email of that
> page complete with links...
>
>
> On 5 May 2009, at 13:19, Simon Royal wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> I am creating an email newsletter. It is only written in HTML and CSS.
>
> So I have an index.html and a styles.css - both hosted externally and
> the links in HTML and CSS pages are absolute.
>
> How do I embed that into Apple Mail?
>


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue May  5 14:43:08 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 14:43:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Embedded HTML In Mail
In-Reply-To: <5B98FF1F-7700-4051-8AAF-F0DF4F38479E@durrant.co.uk>
References: <E78AAE43-7E12-4578-BE77-0965EC9027C3@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<54BE24D4-DCE5-47D1-944B-ABAAB0E56CC2@f2s.com>
	<5B98FF1F-7700-4051-8AAF-F0DF4F38479E@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C404105D-BAF2-4E7E-B426-A7B9556F85DE@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

Sorry, did I miss something there? What browser?

Simon

On 5 May 2009, at 14:41, Paul Durrant wrote:

> Oh, that's neat. Much better than copy/paste. Thanks!
>
> Paul
>
> On 5 May 2009, at 14:39, Robbie Murray wrote:
>
>> If it's a web page, just Apple+I together will create an email of  
>> that
>> page complete with links...
>>
>>
>> On 5 May 2009, at 13:19, Simon Royal wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I am creating an email newsletter. It is only written in HTML and  
>> CSS.
>>
>> So I have an index.html and a styles.css - both hosted externally and
>> the links in HTML and CSS pages are absolute.
>>
>> How do I embed that into Apple Mail?
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue May  5 14:45:45 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 14:45:45 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Embedded HTML In Mail
In-Reply-To: <C404105D-BAF2-4E7E-B426-A7B9556F85DE@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <E78AAE43-7E12-4578-BE77-0965EC9027C3@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<54BE24D4-DCE5-47D1-944B-ABAAB0E56CC2@f2s.com>
	<5B98FF1F-7700-4051-8AAF-F0DF4F38479E@durrant.co.uk>
	<C404105D-BAF2-4E7E-B426-A7B9556F85DE@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <286AD64C-6223-4ED1-A52C-D8BCEE96AF51@durrant.co.uk>

Safari 3.2.1

On 5 May 2009, at 14:43, Simon Royal wrote:

> Sorry, did I miss something there? What browser?
>
> On 5 May 2009, at 14:41, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
>> Oh, that's neat. Much better than copy/paste. Thanks!
>>
>> On 5 May 2009, at 14:39, Robbie Murray wrote:
>>
>>> If it's a web page, just Apple+I together will create an email of
>>> that
>>> page complete with links...
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5 May 2009, at 13:19, Simon Royal wrote:
>>> I am creating an email newsletter. It is only written in HTML and
>>> CSS.
>>>
>>> So I have an index.html and a styles.css - both hosted externally  
>>> and
>>> the links in HTML and CSS pages are absolute.
>>>
>>> How do I embed that into Apple Mail?
>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue May  5 15:06:50 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:06:50 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Embedded HTML In Mail
In-Reply-To: <286AD64C-6223-4ED1-A52C-D8BCEE96AF51@durrant.co.uk>
References: <E78AAE43-7E12-4578-BE77-0965EC9027C3@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<54BE24D4-DCE5-47D1-944B-ABAAB0E56CC2@f2s.com>
	<5B98FF1F-7700-4051-8AAF-F0DF4F38479E@durrant.co.uk>
	<C404105D-BAF2-4E7E-B426-A7B9556F85DE@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<286AD64C-6223-4ED1-A52C-D8BCEE96AF51@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <B309FA62-8E3C-4964-82EC-6D79A1ABB728@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

Want a quick way to convert an external CSS file into an inline page  
suitable for emailing?

http://www.pelagodesign.com/sidecar/emogrifier/

Simon

On 5 May 2009, at 14:45, Paul Durrant wrote:

> Safari 3.2.1
>
> On 5 May 2009, at 14:43, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> Sorry, did I miss something there? What browser?
>>
>> On 5 May 2009, at 14:41, Paul Durrant wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, that's neat. Much better than copy/paste. Thanks!
>>>
>>> On 5 May 2009, at 14:39, Robbie Murray wrote:
>>>
>>>> If it's a web page, just Apple+I together will create an email of
>>>> that
>>>> page complete with links...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5 May 2009, at 13:19, Simon Royal wrote:
>>>> I am creating an email newsletter. It is only written in HTML and
>>>> CSS.
>>>>
>>>> So I have an index.html and a styles.css - both hosted externally
>>>> and
>>>> the links in HTML and CSS pages are absolute.
>>>>
>>>> How do I embed that into Apple Mail?
>>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com  Tue May  5 15:15:27 2009
From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (Simon Bainbridge)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:15:27 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Embedded HTML In Mail
In-Reply-To: <B309FA62-8E3C-4964-82EC-6D79A1ABB728@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <E78AAE43-7E12-4578-BE77-0965EC9027C3@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<54BE24D4-DCE5-47D1-944B-ABAAB0E56CC2@f2s.com>
	<5B98FF1F-7700-4051-8AAF-F0DF4F38479E@durrant.co.uk>
	<C404105D-BAF2-4E7E-B426-A7B9556F85DE@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<286AD64C-6223-4ED1-A52C-D8BCEE96AF51@durrant.co.uk>
	<B309FA62-8E3C-4964-82EC-6D79A1ABB728@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <A87AA930-2102-4241-A3F3-A22E3065DFF8@googlemail.com>

Just add your CSS file in the head section of your HTML file.

Simon

On 5 May 2009, at 15:06, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> Want a quick way to convert an external CSS file into an inline page
> suitable for emailing?
>
> http://www.pelagodesign.com/sidecar/emogrifier/
>
> Simon
>
> On 5 May 2009, at 14:45, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
>> Safari 3.2.1
>>
>> On 5 May 2009, at 14:43, Simon Royal wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, did I miss something there? What browser?
>>>
>>> On 5 May 2009, at 14:41, Paul Durrant wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh, that's neat. Much better than copy/paste. Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> On 5 May 2009, at 14:39, Robbie Murray wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If it's a web page, just Apple+I together will create an email of
>>>>> that
>>>>> page complete with links...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5 May 2009, at 13:19, Simon Royal wrote:
>>>>> I am creating an email newsletter. It is only written in HTML and
>>>>> CSS.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I have an index.html and a styles.css - both hosted externally
>>>>> and
>>>>> the links in HTML and CSS pages are absolute.
>>>>>
>>>>> How do I embed that into Apple Mail?
>>>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From dan_tombs at hotmail.com  Tue May  5 15:18:40 2009
From: dan_tombs at hotmail.com (Dan Tombs)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:18:40 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: Powerbook for sale and cube question
In-Reply-To: <20090505094056.gwnftsnjko4og800@www.fisheyephotography.co.uk>
References: <20090505094056.gwnftsnjko4og800@www.fisheyephotography.co.uk>
Message-ID: <COL115-W35CA4CAC23ADFB3DDBF9719C690@phx.gbl>


Hi Chris, 
How much are you looking for the wireless keyboard? 
Best
Dan 

> Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 09:40:56 -0400
> From: info at fisheyephotography.co.uk
> To: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: Powerbook for sale and cube question
> 
> Hi everyone I am new to this group...I am sure that it will prove
> useful. Anyone know where I can get a power cable for a lovely Mac
> Cube which I bought from THE US two years ago and have never powered up
> yet...it is lovely though.
> 
> Also I have a G4 12 inch powerbook for sale.
> 
> 867 mhz
> 40 gb hd
> superdrive
> bluetooth
> 10.4.11
> Ilife 8
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Nice piece of kit but now have mac book. Has a few scuffs and marks
> from use but works great. Screen needs a small screw as well.
> 
> Dont want to waste time with ebay so offers if interested please
> 
> 
> Also have a WIRELESS BLUETOOTH KEYBOARD for sale..never used...
> 
> 
> Chis
> 
> 
> ----- End forwarded message -----
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

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From stairbooks at yahoo.co.uk  Tue May  5 15:34:08 2009
From: stairbooks at yahoo.co.uk (Alistair Hindmarch)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 14:34:08 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NMUG] Mac Basics Meeting
In-Reply-To: <C4B41296-67E9-4E5E-99AC-6522B44A8E9C@mac.com>
References: <C4B41296-67E9-4E5E-99AC-6522B44A8E9C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <708056.46458.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

> Richard Nevill has offered to do a Mac introductory course at
> St. Matthews Church
> Telegraph Lane West,
> Norwich
> on Sat 9th May starting at 10.00.

Hi Alan,

Please put me down for the meeting on Saturday.

Thanks,
Stair



      

From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Tue May  5 15:52:15 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 15:52:15 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] styling email
Message-ID: <DAA704AE-29D3-4706-984E-974ABA3F0C11@gmail.com>

What the hell do you want to do that for?? I  oppose the pollution of  
bandwidth with fancy nonsense that serves no purpose but the ego of  
the sender.

  I AUTOMATICALLY delete ALL email that doesn't come in text format.  
I. am from the old school of harsh discipline and rules, I simply  
don't read anything that is sent in an inappropriate format. Email is  
meant to be a universal method of exchanging messages, which means  
working at the lowest common denominator: text. Text can be read by  
every device made to exchange information with another. So far as I  
know there is no known method of embedding malware code in a text  
message. This cannot be said for more complex formats.

If you want to send something fancy, by all means send it in an  
attachment with a text message telling me what it is. If I am  
interested, AND I TRUST THE SENDER (which would NOT be the case if I  
didn't know the sender beforehand)  I will open the attachment. If I  
find it is crap and you've taken up my bandwidth with some huge  
unsolicited attachment, I will return it 100 fold to clog up your  
inbox. I might also add that email can be sent by spammers which  
appears to come from a legitimate sender, so even this method of  
relying on trusting the sender can be a mistake.

Much more respectful to send text emails.

You can also include a link to a webpage containing your gems of  
wisdom, provided you explain the link in the email and I trust you.

Now write out 100 times "I will not send unsolicited fancy styled  
emails'


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue May  5 16:08:35 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 16:08:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] styling email
In-Reply-To: <DAA704AE-29D3-4706-984E-974ABA3F0C11@gmail.com>
References: <DAA704AE-29D3-4706-984E-974ABA3F0C11@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C1E8D1E2-F242-4720-93C8-67DFECB7AE53@simonroyal.co.uk>

Stefan

This is a subscriber list - not just a fancy email.

A newsletter not a spamming.

Simon

On 5 May 2009, at 15:52, stefan youngs wrote:

> What the hell do you want to do that for?? I  oppose the pollution of
> bandwidth with fancy nonsense that serves no purpose but the ego of
> the sender.
>
>  I AUTOMATICALLY delete ALL email that doesn't come in text format.
> I. am from the old school of harsh discipline and rules, I simply
> don't read anything that is sent in an inappropriate format. Email is
> meant to be a universal method of exchanging messages, which means
> working at the lowest common denominator: text. Text can be read by
> every device made to exchange information with another. So far as I
> know there is no known method of embedding malware code in a text
> message. This cannot be said for more complex formats.
>
> If you want to send something fancy, by all means send it in an
> attachment with a text message telling me what it is. If I am
> interested, AND I TRUST THE SENDER (which would NOT be the case if I
> didn't know the sender beforehand)  I will open the attachment. If I
> find it is crap and you've taken up my bandwidth with some huge
> unsolicited attachment, I will return it 100 fold to clog up your
> inbox. I might also add that email can be sent by spammers which
> appears to come from a legitimate sender, so even this method of
> relying on trusting the sender can be a mistake.
>
> Much more respectful to send text emails.
>
> You can also include a link to a webpage containing your gems of
> wisdom, provided you explain the link in the email and I trust you.
>
> Now write out 100 times "I will not send unsolicited fancy styled
> emails'
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue May  5 16:13:10 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 16:13:10 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] styling email
In-Reply-To: <DAA704AE-29D3-4706-984E-974ABA3F0C11@gmail.com>
References: <DAA704AE-29D3-4706-984E-974ABA3F0C11@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9F240F9F-A07D-4BEC-95DA-6194A5BA84B0@simonroyal.co.uk>

Stefan

A bit like taking up my bandwidth with massive replies to legit  
questions - putting the world to rights in the process.

Simon

On 5 May 2009, at 15:52, stefan youngs wrote:

> If I
> find it is crap and you've taken up my bandwidth with some huge
> unsolicited attachment,

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From Interjay2 at btinternet.com  Tue May  5 17:11:09 2009
From: Interjay2 at btinternet.com (Peter James)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 17:11:09 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac Basics Meeting
References: <C4B41296-67E9-4E5E-99AC-6522B44A8E9C@mac.com>
	<708056.46458.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2D7F5E4AD7794C7EA8A3476D5A6FD686@fujitsu>

Hi Richard,
Do you have any idea about cost yet - and I recognise this may be difficult 
without you knowing the exact numbers attending.
Regards
Peter J
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alistair Hindmarch" <stairbooks at yahoo.co.uk>
To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [NMUG] Mac Basics Meeting


>> Richard Nevill has offered to do a Mac introductory course at
>> St. Matthews Church
>> Telegraph Lane West,
>> Norwich
>> on Sat 9th May starting at 10.00.
>
> Hi Alan,
>
> Please put me down for the meeting on Saturday.
>
> Thanks,
> Stair
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



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From macman at f2s.com  Tue May  5 18:38:45 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 18:38:45 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Embedded HTML In Mail
In-Reply-To: <5B98FF1F-7700-4051-8AAF-F0DF4F38479E@durrant.co.uk>
References: <E78AAE43-7E12-4578-BE77-0965EC9027C3@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<54BE24D4-DCE5-47D1-944B-ABAAB0E56CC2@f2s.com>
	<5B98FF1F-7700-4051-8AAF-F0DF4F38479E@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <834DCBF2-6160-412F-ADAD-604B72AC3FF0@f2s.com>

You can also send just the URL by adding the shift key to the  
combination ....

http://tinyurl.com/63834a

Robbie

On 5 May 2009, at 14:41, Paul Durrant wrote:

Oh, that's neat. Much better than copy/paste. Thanks!

Paul

On 5 May 2009, at 14:39, Robbie Murray wrote:

> If it's a web page, just Apple+I together will create an email of that
> page complete with links...




From alanbarber at mac.com  Wed May  6 09:58:29 2009
From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 09:58:29 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac Basics Meeting
In-Reply-To: <2D7F5E4AD7794C7EA8A3476D5A6FD686@fujitsu>
References: <C4B41296-67E9-4E5E-99AC-6522B44A8E9C@mac.com>
	<708056.46458.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<2D7F5E4AD7794C7EA8A3476D5A6FD686@fujitsu>
Message-ID: <916CAA2F-08D8-4247-9899-B77DB99603F4@mac.com>

HI Peter J

The cost of the first meeting will be ?5.00
This covers the cost of the hall, coffee etc and Richards fuel.

For all those that let me know they are coming :-
Peter J,
Alistair Hindmarch,
Tobias Arnup,
Sue West,
Ivor Cloke + 1,
Richard Ivers.
Richard Stewart
Jules Slaughter
Valerie Hardman
(If I have left anybody off the list please let me know.)

Please arrive sharp as we are sharing the church with another group.
I am not sure how many there will be and there is plenty of parking
(if everyone parks prettily)
but I thought if we could get our group parked together
it would make it easier for us as we leave before them.

There will be more room if anyone else would like to join please let  
me know.

Looking forward to meeting you all.

Regards

Alan
		

On 5 May 2009, at 17:11, Peter James wrote:

> Hi Richard,
> Do you have any idea about cost yet - and I recognise this may be  
> difficult
> without you knowing the exact numbers attending.
> Regards
> Peter J
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alistair Hindmarch" <stairbooks at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 3:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Mac Basics Meeting
>
>
>>> Richard Nevill has offered to do a Mac introductory course at
>>> St. Matthews Church
>>> Telegraph Lane West,
>>> Norwich
>>> on Sat 9th May starting at 10.00.
>>
>> Hi Alan,
>>
>> Please put me down for the meeting on Saturday.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Stair
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.18/2098 - Release Date:  
> 05/05/09
> 08:05:00
>
> _______________________________________________
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> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Wed May  6 10:20:30 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 10:20:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Ethernet Connector Block
Message-ID: <9B8E8A03-46D2-4A00-8E76-47F18172544E@gmail.com>

Does anyone have a spare Ethernet Female-Ethernet Female inline  
connector lying around doing nobody any good at all? I want to join 2  
Ethernet cables together.

Happy to pay.


From jinshinjewels at googlemail.com  Wed May  6 11:14:16 2009
From: jinshinjewels at googlemail.com (Jules Slaughter)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 11:14:16 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac Basics Meeting
In-Reply-To: <916CAA2F-08D8-4247-9899-B77DB99603F4@mac.com>
References: <C4B41296-67E9-4E5E-99AC-6522B44A8E9C@mac.com>
	<708056.46458.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<2D7F5E4AD7794C7EA8A3476D5A6FD686@fujitsu>
	<916CAA2F-08D8-4247-9899-B77DB99603F4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <adb0e98a0905060314k19faaaeey3cd64fb7089a5e6e@mail.gmail.com>

Many thanks Alan.  See you Saturday.

regards

Jules



On 5/6/09, Alan Barber <alanbarber at mac.com> wrote:
> HI Peter J
>
>  The cost of the first meeting will be ?5.00
>  This covers the cost of the hall, coffee etc and Richards fuel.
>
>  For all those that let me know they are coming :-
>  Peter J,
>  Alistair Hindmarch,
>  Tobias Arnup,
>  Sue West,
>  Ivor Cloke + 1,
>  Richard Ivers.
>  Richard Stewart
>  Jules Slaughter
>  Valerie Hardman
>  (If I have left anybody off the list please let me know.)
>
>  Please arrive sharp as we are sharing the church with another group.
>  I am not sure how many there will be and there is plenty of parking
>  (if everyone parks prettily)
>  but I thought if we could get our group parked together
>  it would make it easier for us as we leave before them.
>
>  There will be more room if anyone else would like to join please let
>  me know.
>
>  Looking forward to meeting you all.
>
>  Regards
>
>
>  Alan
>
>
>
>  On 5 May 2009, at 17:11, Peter James wrote:
>
>  > Hi Richard,
>  > Do you have any idea about cost yet - and I recognise this may be
>  > difficult
>  > without you knowing the exact numbers attending.
>  > Regards
>  > Peter J
>  > ----- Original Message -----
>  > From: "Alistair Hindmarch" <stairbooks at yahoo.co.uk>
>  > To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>  > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 3:34 PM
>  > Subject: Re: [NMUG] Mac Basics Meeting
>  >
>  >
>  >>> Richard Nevill has offered to do a Mac introductory course at
>  >>> St. Matthews Church
>  >>> Telegraph Lane West,
>  >>> Norwich
>  >>> on Sat 9th May starting at 10.00.
>  >>
>  >> Hi Alan,
>  >>
>  >> Please put me down for the meeting on Saturday.
>  >>
>  >> Thanks,
>  >> Stair
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> _______________________________________________
>  >> NMUG mailing list
>  >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>  >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>  >
>  >
>  > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > No virus found in this incoming message.
>  > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>  > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.18/2098 - Release Date:
>  > 05/05/09
>  > 08:05:00
>  >
>  > _______________________________________________
>  > NMUG mailing list
>  > NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>  > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  NMUG mailing list
>  NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>  http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>


-- 
Jules

CalmClasses & Therapies
to improve your health.

My business works on referrals.
If you like what I do, please tell others.
If not, please tell me.


From jinshinjewels at googlemail.com  Wed May  6 11:14:48 2009
From: jinshinjewels at googlemail.com (Jules Slaughter)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 11:14:48 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac Basics Meeting
In-Reply-To: <adb0e98a0905060314k19faaaeey3cd64fb7089a5e6e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C4B41296-67E9-4E5E-99AC-6522B44A8E9C@mac.com>
	<708056.46458.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<2D7F5E4AD7794C7EA8A3476D5A6FD686@fujitsu>
	<916CAA2F-08D8-4247-9899-B77DB99603F4@mac.com>
	<adb0e98a0905060314k19faaaeey3cd64fb7089a5e6e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <adb0e98a0905060314u3a8b9f68h56c246e2f2823dc2@mail.gmail.com>

I'm willing to give someone a lift in they live en route from Brundall.

regards
Jules


On 5/6/09, Jules Slaughter <jinshinjewels at googlemail.com> wrote:
> Many thanks Alan.  See you Saturday.
>
>  regards
>
>
>  Jules
>
>
>
>
>  On 5/6/09, Alan Barber <alanbarber at mac.com> wrote:
>  > HI Peter J
>  >
>  >  The cost of the first meeting will be ?5.00
>  >  This covers the cost of the hall, coffee etc and Richards fuel.
>  >
>  >  For all those that let me know they are coming :-
>  >  Peter J,
>  >  Alistair Hindmarch,
>  >  Tobias Arnup,
>  >  Sue West,
>  >  Ivor Cloke + 1,
>  >  Richard Ivers.
>  >  Richard Stewart
>  >  Jules Slaughter
>  >  Valerie Hardman
>  >  (If I have left anybody off the list please let me know.)
>  >
>  >  Please arrive sharp as we are sharing the church with another group.
>  >  I am not sure how many there will be and there is plenty of parking
>  >  (if everyone parks prettily)
>  >  but I thought if we could get our group parked together
>  >  it would make it easier for us as we leave before them.
>  >
>  >  There will be more room if anyone else would like to join please let
>  >  me know.
>  >
>  >  Looking forward to meeting you all.
>  >
>  >  Regards
>  >
>  >
>  >  Alan
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  On 5 May 2009, at 17:11, Peter James wrote:
>  >
>  >  > Hi Richard,
>  >  > Do you have any idea about cost yet - and I recognise this may be
>  >  > difficult
>  >  > without you knowing the exact numbers attending.
>  >  > Regards
>  >  > Peter J
>  >  > ----- Original Message -----
>  >  > From: "Alistair Hindmarch" <stairbooks at yahoo.co.uk>
>  >  > To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>  >  > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 3:34 PM
>  >  > Subject: Re: [NMUG] Mac Basics Meeting
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >>> Richard Nevill has offered to do a Mac introductory course at
>  >  >>> St. Matthews Church
>  >  >>> Telegraph Lane West,
>  >  >>> Norwich
>  >  >>> on Sat 9th May starting at 10.00.
>  >  >>
>  >  >> Hi Alan,
>  >  >>
>  >  >> Please put me down for the meeting on Saturday.
>  >  >>
>  >  >> Thanks,
>  >  >> Stair
>  >  >>
>  >  >>
>  >  >>
>  >  >>
>  >  >> _______________________________________________
>  >  >> NMUG mailing list
>  >  >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>  >  >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  > No virus found in this incoming message.
>  >  > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>  >  > Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.18/2098 - Release Date:
>  >  > 05/05/09
>  >  > 08:05:00
>  >  >
>  >  > _______________________________________________
>  >  > NMUG mailing list
>  >  > NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>  >  > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>  >
>  >  _______________________________________________
>  >  NMUG mailing list
>  >  NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>  >  http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>  >
>
>
>
> --
>  Jules
>
>  CalmClasses & Therapies
>  to improve your health.
>
>  My business works on referrals.
>  If you like what I do, please tell others.
>  If not, please tell me.
>


-- 
Jules

CalmClasses & Therapies
to improve your health.

My business works on referrals.
If you like what I do, please tell others.
If not, please tell me.


From macman at f2s.com  Wed May  6 11:35:04 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 11:35:04 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Ethernet Connector Block
In-Reply-To: <9B8E8A03-46D2-4A00-8E76-47F18172544E@gmail.com>
References: <9B8E8A03-46D2-4A00-8E76-47F18172544E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A7E81971-50E0-4E20-B39A-CDB62C48D613@f2s.com>

Yup - No charge

Just email me your address off list and I'll pop it in the post .....

Robbie


On 6 May 2009, at 10:20, stefan youngs wrote:

Does anyone have a spare Ethernet Female-Ethernet Female inline
connector lying around doing nobody any good at all? I want to join 2
Ethernet cables together.

Happy to pay.
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From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Wed May  6 12:21:26 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 12:21:26 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Embedded HTML In Mail
In-Reply-To: <mailman.641.1241604891.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.641.1241604891.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8FD2A0CE-F86F-44DF-849A-FA6B08B3B55B@gmail.com>

Robbie wrote

> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Embedded HTML In Mail
> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>
> You can also send just the URL by adding the shift key to the
> combination ....
>
Paul wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/63834a
>
>> If it's a web page, just Apple+I together will create an email of  
>> that
>> page complete with links...
>


Paul and Robbie.. how do you guys find this stuff? Ain't Mac wunnerful  
wunnerful? I never cease to be surprised at what lurks under the hood  
that just makes life easier and easier and I really respect Apple for  
not burdening everyone with this knowledge, rather taking the attitude  
of rewarding you for discovery. These are really good tips.. even  
though I don't like sending active links in emails because of the  
security risks this presents at the receiver's end (the page can  
contain Javascript for example, and I assume that gets sent??), there  
are times when I have wanted to get someone to check something.. now I  
know how to do it quickly and easily.

In contrast.... I just downloaded Explorer 8 into my Windows XP  
machine.. what a J O K E... whilst fighting off numerous popup  
warnings and beeping noises (there are several going on right now as I  
type in my Mac window, including an annoying little jerk cartoon  
figure saying he thinks I'm writing a letter.. I told him to bu*&er  
off)... this piece of crap is SO hard to configure. Mind you, I AM  
trying to do something immensely difficult and very, very obscure so  
it's perhaps not too surprising Microsuck hasn't made the process  
completely intuitive. Actually, what I want to do is  I want pages to  
play QuickTime and RealPlayer movies via plug-ins. Do you think I can  
find out how to do that? No chance. Try looking for advice on  
Microsuck's 'helplines'.. best of luck.

So I downloaded Google Chrome.. guess what? It does what I want right  
out of the box.. not surprising really, that's a company that listens  
to users. And Chrome is built using Apple's Webkit technology

Hooray for Apple!

From kevin at sanderling.co.uk  Wed May  6 12:26:52 2009
From: kevin at sanderling.co.uk (Kevin Allenby)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 12:26:52 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac Basics Meeting
In-Reply-To: <916CAA2F-08D8-4247-9899-B77DB99603F4@mac.com>
References: <C4B41296-67E9-4E5E-99AC-6522B44A8E9C@mac.com>
	<708056.46458.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<2D7F5E4AD7794C7EA8A3476D5A6FD686@fujitsu>
	<916CAA2F-08D8-4247-9899-B77DB99603F4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <9c83344f0905060426h38f22417i5b0ada4b64f334ca@mail.gmail.com>

Alan

I would like to be added to list please (if space available).

Thanks
Kevin Allenby

2009/5/6 Alan Barber <alanbarber at mac.com>

> HI Peter J
>
> The cost of the first meeting will be ?5.00
> This covers the cost of the hall, coffee etc and Richards fuel.
>
> For all those that let me know they are coming :-
> Peter J,
> Alistair Hindmarch,
> Tobias Arnup,
> Sue West,
> Ivor Cloke + 1,
> Richard Ivers.
> Richard Stewart
> Jules Slaughter
> Valerie Hardman
> (If I have left anybody off the list please let me know.)
>
>


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed May  6 12:42:04 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 12:42:04 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Embedded HTML In Mail
In-Reply-To: <8FD2A0CE-F86F-44DF-849A-FA6B08B3B55B@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.641.1241604891.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<8FD2A0CE-F86F-44DF-849A-FA6B08B3B55B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F822E543-CAEE-4A18-883F-EA236C29FA24@simonroyal.co.uk>

Stefan

But we all know Apple and Google have a closer relationship than Peter  
and Jordan.

I must agree with you on the little trinkets you pick up as a Mac user  
that just makes day to day usage so much easier. The Safari short cuts  
are fabulous, just like the one in Apple Mail where you highlight the  
text, hit reply and it only quotes the highlighted text in the reply.  
That should at least make you happy Stefan as you are always banging  
on at me about quoting.

Simon

On 6 May 2009, at 12:21, stefan youngs wrote:

> So I downloaded Google Chrome.. guess what? It does what I want right
> out of the box.. not surprising really, that's a company that listens
> to users. And Chrome is built using Apple's Webkit technology

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From alanbarber at mac.com  Wed May  6 14:55:20 2009
From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 14:55:20 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac Basics Meeting
In-Reply-To: <9c83344f0905060426h38f22417i5b0ada4b64f334ca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C4B41296-67E9-4E5E-99AC-6522B44A8E9C@mac.com>
	<708056.46458.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<2D7F5E4AD7794C7EA8A3476D5A6FD686@fujitsu>
	<916CAA2F-08D8-4247-9899-B77DB99603F4@mac.com>
	<9c83344f0905060426h38f22417i5b0ada4b64f334ca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CB54EB80-460A-41C6-B11A-C8639ABBC504@mac.com>

Will do - look forward to seeing you.

Regards

Alan
		

On 6 May 2009, at 12:26, Kevin Allenby wrote:

> Alan
>
> I would like to be added to list please (if space available).
>
> Thanks
> Kevin Allenby
>
> 2009/5/6 Alan Barber <alanbarber at mac.com>
>
>> HI Peter J
>>
>> The cost of the first meeting will be ?5.00
>> This covers the cost of the hall, coffee etc and Richards fuel.
>>
>> For all those that let me know they are coming :-
>> Peter J,
>> Alistair Hindmarch,
>> Tobias Arnup,
>> Sue West,
>> Ivor Cloke + 1,
>> Richard Ivers.
>> Richard Stewart
>> Jules Slaughter
>> Valerie Hardman
>> (If I have left anybody off the list please let me know.)
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk  Wed May  6 16:42:15 2009
From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 16:42:15 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mouse Right button
In-Reply-To: <F75FE58D-E853-4295-AE44-81E9CF09BBD9@durrant.co.uk>
References: <C624E75A.2964E%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
	<ED91D469-197E-41D7-A883-699A28803C68@themagic.me.uk>
	<F75FE58D-E853-4295-AE44-81E9CF09BBD9@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <0A58459E-66DA-4B29-9D55-41988F6A6293@themagic.me.uk>

Thanks for all the help. Suddenly right button worked when I pressed  
right down on the front between centre and right corner; then it  
worked wherever I pressed in the right front quarter of the mouse;  
then worked occasionally; now it does not. I missed a letter from the  
word occasionally on this line but no reaction to the pressing except  
remove the red dotted underline until I found more erratic things I  
wont bore you with. I'll see what Apple say.
Anthony



From skipmeg at skipmeg.plus.com  Wed May  6 17:01:53 2009
From: skipmeg at skipmeg.plus.com (skipmeg at skipmeg.plus.com)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 17:01:53 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [NMUG] Mac Basics Meeting 2nd request.
In-Reply-To: <CB54EB80-460A-41C6-B11A-C8639ABBC504@mac.com>
References: <C4B41296-67E9-4E5E-99AC-6522B44A8E9C@mac.com>
	<708056.46458.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<2D7F5E4AD7794C7EA8A3476D5A6FD686@fujitsu>
	<916CAA2F-08D8-4247-9899-B77DB99603F4@mac.com>
	<9c83344f0905060426h38f22417i5b0ada4b64f334ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<CB54EB80-460A-41C6-B11A-C8639ABBC504@mac.com>
Message-ID: <10482.87.115.67.130.1241625713.squirrel@webmail.plus.net>





Hello Alan,


Sent the following e-mail Sun, 3rd.May.  Seemingly it did not arrive!

I.e. to be added to your list as you requested.


re: MAC Training course.

Please include me.

I'm Brian Coman and I'd like to put my name down for the  9th. May and
course.

79, Sparhawk Avenue, Sprowston, NR7 8BS.

Tel: 01603  789408

Thanking you, Regards, Brian
_________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
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>




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed May  6 17:48:43 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 17:48:43 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mouse Right button
In-Reply-To: <0A58459E-66DA-4B29-9D55-41988F6A6293@themagic.me.uk>
References: <C624E75A.2964E%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
	<ED91D469-197E-41D7-A883-699A28803C68@themagic.me.uk>
	<F75FE58D-E853-4295-AE44-81E9CF09BBD9@durrant.co.uk>
	<0A58459E-66DA-4B29-9D55-41988F6A6293@themagic.me.uk>
Message-ID: <CFF88033-F2D6-4188-A001-6154FB846D57@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

Apple Mighty Mouse - wired or wireless have to be the worst Apple  
invention ever. I got one with my Intel iMac and it lasted two weeks  
before it stopped working.

Simon

On 6 May 2009, at 16:42, Anthony Brahams wrote:

> Thanks for all the help. Suddenly right button worked when I pressed
> right down on the front between centre and right corner; then it
> worked wherever I pressed in the right front quarter of the mouse;
> then worked occasionally; now it does not. I missed a letter from the
> word occasionally on this line but no reaction to the pressing except
> remove the red dotted underline until I found more erratic things I
> wont bore you with. I'll see what Apple say.
> Anthony
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From johnjarman at mac.com  Wed May  6 17:49:36 2009
From: johnjarman at mac.com (John Jarman)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 17:49:36 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 64, Issue 11
In-Reply-To: <mailman.640.1241604891.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.640.1241604891.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <570059F4-E20B-422A-B1B4-C79D1F46A286@mac.com>


Re:  Mobile Me family pack:

I have just upgraded to the family pack but am unable to add our son  
to it as his personal Mobile Me account has not expired.   We have  
unchecked his automatic renewal so the account will now expire at the  
end of May but we want to transfer his account now, can anybody help  
please.


From macman at f2s.com  Wed May  6 17:59:48 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 17:59:48 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mouse Right button
In-Reply-To: <0A58459E-66DA-4B29-9D55-41988F6A6293@themagic.me.uk>
References: <C624E75A.2964E%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
	<ED91D469-197E-41D7-A883-699A28803C68@themagic.me.uk>
	<F75FE58D-E853-4295-AE44-81E9CF09BBD9@durrant.co.uk>
	<0A58459E-66DA-4B29-9D55-41988F6A6293@themagic.me.uk>
Message-ID: <B687546B-EEC1-4FBF-9C13-7A935F2FAD44@f2s.com>

You may be unlucky and have a duff one, as I've never had any problem  
other than taking it apart to clean out the crud, and breaking the  
bottom retaining ring, but it still works fine without it - I love it,  
and would not use anything else: even the wired one doesn't feel as  
nice .....

Maybe you're trying a bit too hard - mine only requires a very light  
one finger touch left or right, just as you would a 3 or 5 button  
Windows jobbie, and a gentle squeeze on the side buttons does what it  
says on the tin - in my case brings up Spotlight.

Robbie


On 6 May 2009, at 16:42, Anthony Brahams wrote:

Thanks for all the help. Suddenly right button worked when I pressed
right down on the front between centre and right corner; then it
worked wherever I pressed in the right front quarter of the mouse;
then worked occasionally; now it does not. I missed a letter from the
word occasionally on this line but no reaction to the pressing except
remove the red dotted underline until I found more erratic things I
wont bore you with. I'll see what Apple say.
Anthony

_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
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http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From jeremyknight at mac.com  Wed May  6 18:45:26 2009
From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 18:45:26 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Diskwarrior wanted
In-Reply-To: <A688BE01-734A-4663-AA6C-9CACA60888A8@virgin.net>
References: <AC74B674-07FB-4626-98D2-4A3070B89CB7@mac.com>
	<70dda0e425e6c76a88d22d49d4e590a0@virgin.net>
	<DAD9ECCD-5F8E-4D94-906D-4A82356D7DD2@mac.com>
	<160270B6-6A82-4EBA-864F-831BABFE702E@zen.co.uk>
	<FD672E20-2D6E-4A4E-ABC9-BCED44E3E096@mac.com>
	<A688BE01-734A-4663-AA6C-9CACA60888A8@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <5B6A302C-30C4-401D-9BA6-F164E14DE443@mac.com>


Hi All,
My mac mini failed completely.
I have purchsed an imac,but there is still some stuff that I would  
like off the mac mini,if it can be revived
does anyone know where I could buy Diskwarrior for leopard in Norwich  
please?
jeremy


From lizbarnard at btinternet.com  Wed May  6 21:15:35 2009
From: lizbarnard at btinternet.com (Liz)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 21:15:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Iphoto wipe out
Message-ID: <C627AE77.7667%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>

My new iPhoto ?09 requested an update today.  When I denied that I wanted
one the window kept popping up until I agreed.  The programme immediately
wiped 3,000 images off my library and I can find no way of getting them
back.  I tried Time Machine but it keeps telling me I need an Apple wireless
device to set it up (I thought it WAS set up!).  I don?t know what it?s
talking about.

A lot of the images I have on disk but not the last six weeks worth.

The system seems to have crashed since if I open iPhoto I cannot quit it.

Anyone got any bright ideas?

Liz Barnard


From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Wed May  6 21:34:10 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 21:34:10 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Peter and Who??
In-Reply-To: <mailman.648.1241640940.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.648.1241640940.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BBB829F7-62AB-45C6-9CCB-03E8F000B862@gmail.com>


On 6 May 2009, at 21:15, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:

> From: Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
>
> Stefan
>
> But we all know Apple and Google have a closer relationship than Peter
> and Jordan.


Who they? I remember Peter and GORDON.. Pete Asher, bruvver of the  
delectable Jane.. Gordon of Khartoum obviously  (They don't like it up  
'em  - Corp Jones). but Jordan I never heard of except in that catchy  
song by Boney M.. am I out of touch with something profound going on  
around me? It wouldn't be the first time.

From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed May  6 21:51:28 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 21:51:28 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Peter and Who??
In-Reply-To: <BBB829F7-62AB-45C6-9CCB-03E8F000B862@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.648.1241640940.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<BBB829F7-62AB-45C6-9CCB-03E8F000B862@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A45EA493-0D6B-481C-AAFB-D10AE5928EC8@simonroyal.co.uk>

Stefan

It was a reference to the sickly sweet marriage between Peter Andre -  
the 90's pop star - and Jordan or Katie Price - the ex page 3 model.

Simon

On 6 May 2009, at 21:34, stefan youngs wrote:

>
> On 6 May 2009, at 21:15, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:
>
>> From: Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
>>
>> Stefan
>>
>> But we all know Apple and Google have a closer relationship than  
>> Peter
>> and Jordan.
>
>
> Who they? I remember Peter and GORDON.. Pete Asher, bruvver of the
> delectable Jane.. Gordon of Khartoum obviously  (They don't like it up
> 'em  - Corp Jones). but Jordan I never heard of except in that catchy
> song by Boney M.. am I out of touch with something profound going on
> around me? It wouldn't be the first time.
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
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SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed May  6 21:51:53 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 21:51:53 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] MobileMe Family Pack/Transfer
In-Reply-To: <570059F4-E20B-422A-B1B4-C79D1F46A286@mac.com>
References: <mailman.640.1241604891.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<570059F4-E20B-422A-B1B4-C79D1F46A286@mac.com>
Message-ID: <83B2EC4A-7E70-4977-B2DE-D559010E4BA1@durrant.co.uk>

I very much doubt that you can do this through the web site. I'll  
think you'll need to phone MobileMe customer service. Hopefully  
they'll have some method to do this.

Paul
On 6 May 2009, at 17:49, John Jarman wrote:
> I have just upgraded to the family pack but am unable to add our son
> to it as his personal Mobile Me account has not expired.   We have
> unchecked his automatic renewal so the account will now expire at the
> end of May but we want to transfer his account now, can anybody help
> please.


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed May  6 22:02:13 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 22:02:13 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Iphoto wipe out
In-Reply-To: <C627AE77.7667%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>
References: <C627AE77.7667%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <668C8BC3-32BE-40BE-93CC-1FA01840536F@durrant.co.uk>

When you say "wiped 3,000 images off my library", do you mean you  
still have some pictures in your library, or do you mean they've /all/  
gone?


MacFixit suggests the following, if the whole library is missing:

Locate the iphoto library and restore it for "missing" libraries:

	? In the Finder press the "command-F" keys to open the search window.
	? Ensure "This Mac" is selected, and that you are searching for "File  
Name"
	? In the filters, click the "Kind" menu and select the "System files"  
option. If "System Files" is not available, then go to "Other" and  
search for that filter to add to the list.
	? With the filter selected, in the second menu select "include".
	? Finally search for "iPhoto Library" and note it's location.
	? Open iPhoto with the options key held, and select the iPhoto  
library from the location you found.

If only some are missing, it may be that it's just the links to photos  
outside the iPhoto library that have got lost. Search for pictures on  
your disk, and see if you can find any missing ones (outside the  
iPhoto library) and re-import them to the library.


Time Machine can only work if you've set it up /before/ you need to  
restore files. Otherwise there's nowhere for it to restore from.


Paul
On 6 May 2009, at 21:15, Liz wrote:

> My new iPhoto ?09 requested an update today.  When I denied that I  
> wanted
> one the window kept popping up until I agreed.  The programme  
> immediately
> wiped 3,000 images off my library and I can find no way of getting  
> them
> back.  I tried Time Machine but it keeps telling me I need an Apple  
> wireless
> device to set it up (I thought it WAS set up!).  I don?t know what  
> it?s
> talking about.
>
> A lot of the images I have on disk but not the last six weeks worth.
>
> The system seems to have crashed since if I open iPhoto I cannot  
> quit it.
>
> Anyone got any bright ideas?
>


From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Wed May  6 22:28:18 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 22:28:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Diskwarrior wanted
In-Reply-To: <5B6A302C-30C4-401D-9BA6-F164E14DE443@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C627BF82.2981C%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

You can buy online and have the bootable disk sent to you.

all the best with getting your data.
If you cant get the mini alive you can get the disk out and get data from it
- unless a dead disk (hardware) is the cause of mini's death.

Brian


jeremy knight said recently:

> 
> Hi All,
> My mac mini failed completely.
> I have purchsed an imac,but there is still some stuff that I would
> like off the mac mini,if it can be revived
> does anyone know where I could buy Diskwarrior for leopard in Norwich
> please?
> jeremy
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Wed May  6 22:32:12 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 22:32:12 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mouse Right button
In-Reply-To: <CFF88033-F2D6-4188-A001-6154FB846D57@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C627C06C.2981D%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

this is almost always just needing a hard rub of the nipple upside down on
paper. Mine work well and need this treatment occasionally.
regards
Brian


Simon Royal said recently:

> Hi
> 
> Apple Mighty Mouse - wired or wireless have to be the worst Apple
> invention ever. I got one with my Intel iMac and it lasted two weeks
> before it stopped working.
> 
> Simon
> 
> On 6 May 2009, at 16:42, Anthony Brahams wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for all the help. Suddenly right button worked when I pressed
>> right down on the front between centre and right corner; then it
>> worked wherever I pressed in the right front quarter of the mouse;
>> then worked occasionally; now it does not. I missed a letter from the
>> word occasionally on this line but no reaction to the pressing except
>> remove the red dotted underline until I found more erratic things I
>> wont bore you with. I'll see what Apple say.
>> Anthony
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>> 
> 
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Wed May  6 22:33:33 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 22:33:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Embedded HTML In Mail
In-Reply-To: <F822E543-CAEE-4A18-883F-EA236C29FA24@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C627C0BD.2981E%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

Does any email application not behave this way?
regards
Brian


Simon Royal said recently:

> Apple Mail where you highlight the
> text, hit reply and it only quotes the highlighted text in the reply.
> That should at least make you happy Stefan as you are always banging
> on at me about quoting.




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed May  6 22:35:49 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 22:35:49 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Embedded HTML In Mail
In-Reply-To: <C627C0BD.2981E%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
References: <C627C0BD.2981E%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
Message-ID: <84D68A99-97F2-41F2-9496-536B2A8297D5@simonroyal.co.uk>

Brian

Not sure. It has been years since I used an email client, but got fed  
up of webmail recently.

The last time I used a client was Outlook Express in Windows ME - a  
very long time ago.

Simon
On 6 May 2009, at 22:33, Brian Steere wrote:

> Does any email application not behave this way?
> regards
> Brian
>
>
> Simon Royal said recently:
>
>> Apple Mail where you highlight the
>> text, hit reply and it only quotes the highlighted text in the reply.
>> That should at least make you happy Stefan as you are always banging
>> on at me about quoting.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed May  6 23:37:21 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 23:37:21 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Power Cord Woes
Message-ID: <D9D6F4F3-DCE6-4C95-9E34-8DD9F2093433@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

Just read this article on Digg about how dodgy the MacBook and MacBook  
Pro power cords are.

http://www.tuaw.com/2009/05/06/lawsuit-claims-magsafe-power-cord-not-so-safe/

Reading some of the comments are a bit scary. A lot of people claiming  
their power cord set things a light. I have used some very dodgy power  
cables for my PowerBooks in the past. In fact the one I have right now  
is an official Apple one I picked up in an emergency from a guy in  
Dereham - which is taped together.

Make you wonder. I have had frayed cables in the past, some giving the  
odd spark from time to time. It happens when you use old hardware.

Anyone else with any horror stories about power cables?

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Thu May  7 00:38:20 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 00:38:20 +0100
Subject: [NMUG]  Power Cord Woes
Message-ID: <4A021F6C.1020308@stackyard.org>

I've seen some power cords that looked like they were about to come 
apart but the only one that I have seen fail was on an older powerbook 
belonging to a teenage girl where the connector had been subject to an 
extreme lateral physical shock which had torn the connector from the 
machine taking with it part of the mating connector from the DC board.  
The cable had been cleanly torn from the connector as well.  I suspect 
the machine had been dropped and the connector had met an immovable 
object while the machine was on its way to the floor.  The rest of the 
machine was fine.  It just needed a new DC board and power adapter and 
it was away.

Ken



From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Thu May  7 00:57:29 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 00:57:29 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Diskwarrior wanted
In-Reply-To: <5B6A302C-30C4-401D-9BA6-F164E14DE443@mac.com>
References: <AC74B674-07FB-4626-98D2-4A3070B89CB7@mac.com>	<70dda0e425e6c76a88d22d49d4e590a0@virgin.net>	<DAD9ECCD-5F8E-4D94-906D-4A82356D7DD2@mac.com>	<160270B6-6A82-4EBA-864F-831BABFE702E@zen.co.uk>	<FD672E20-2D6E-4A4E-ABC9-BCED44E3E096@mac.com>	<A688BE01-734A-4663-AA6C-9CACA60888A8@virgin.net>
	<5B6A302C-30C4-401D-9BA6-F164E14DE443@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4A0223E9.8060907@stackyard.org>

Jeremy,

Try https://secure.alsoft.com/cgi-bin/makepage.acgi?orderforma.html 
which is the online order page at Alsoft.  As Brian says, if it's the 
logic board which has died, the disk can be extracted from the machine 
and connected to another with a SATA(or PATA)-USB adapter from Maplins, 
et al.  What happens when you press the power button?  Make sure you 
unplug the power adapter from the mains for a while to eliminate any 
power management confusion before despairing.

In case you've never done it, the mini case is a bit fun to open.  You 
need a large flat blade like a paint scraper.  I prefer a large kitchen 
knife (Norman Bates Mac Repairs Inc.).  Have a look at 
http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/First-Look/Mac-mini-A1283/659/1 which is 
about the latest mini model but applies to all.

Ken

jeremy knight wrote:
> Hi All,
> My mac mini failed completely.
> I have purchsed an imac,but there is still some stuff that I would  
> like off the mac mini,if it can be revived
> does anyone know where I could buy Diskwarrior for leopard in Norwich  
> please?
> jeremy
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From jeremyknight at mac.com  Thu May  7 08:02:48 2009
From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 08:02:48 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Diskwarrior wanted
In-Reply-To: <4A0223E9.8060907@stackyard.org>
References: <AC74B674-07FB-4626-98D2-4A3070B89CB7@mac.com>
	<70dda0e425e6c76a88d22d49d4e590a0@virgin.net>
	<DAD9ECCD-5F8E-4D94-906D-4A82356D7DD2@mac.com>
	<160270B6-6A82-4EBA-864F-831BABFE702E@zen.co.uk>
	<FD672E20-2D6E-4A4E-ABC9-BCED44E3E096@mac.com>
	<A688BE01-734A-4663-AA6C-9CACA60888A8@virgin.net>
	<5B6A302C-30C4-401D-9BA6-F164E14DE443@mac.com>
	<4A0223E9.8060907@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <A4659687-A51F-4A1E-9C55-AA5BBBFFD0BE@mac.com>

HI Ken,
Thanks to you and everyone for their suggestions.
I can get the install disk to boot up and go as far as Start install.
I can also get the disk utility  on so that the h/d comes up but with  
a question mark on it.
when I go through verify and repair it comes up with three problems   
re node tree  etc and then says failure on exit.
So I am hopeful diskwarrior will do the job.
I have seen the the freeware diskwarrior,alsoft site says for download  
and dvd,but it is not clear whether it is either or.I have asked them.  
somehow if I am paying ?80 ish I would like their disc to go with it.
I read somewhere that D/W 4 sometimes will not work on Leopard,which  
may be why there is D/W 4.1 and even 4.1.1 is out now.
Taking out the h/d is something I had considered as stage 2 and yes  
opening the mac mini can be a bit scary,I have done it to install some  
memory.
How much is a new motherboard for a mac mini does anyone know and  
where would I get one?
Thank for the good luck.
If anyone else has thoughts please keep them coming.
  Jeremy


On 7 May 2009, at 00:57, Ken Hamer wrote:

> Jeremy,
>
> Try https://secure.alsoft.com/cgi-bin/makepage.acgi?orderforma.html
> which is the online order page at Alsoft.  As Brian says, if it's the
> logic board which has died, the disk can be extracted from the machine
> and connected to another with a SATA(or PATA)-USB adapter from  
> Maplins,
> et al.  What happens when you press the power button?  Make sure you
> unplug the power adapter from the mains for a while to eliminate any
> power management confusion before despairing.
>
> In case you've never done it, the mini case is a bit fun to open.  You
> need a large flat blade like a paint scraper.  I prefer a large  
> kitchen
> knife (Norman Bates Mac Repairs Inc.).  Have a look at
> http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/First-Look/Mac-mini-A1283/659/1 which is
> about the latest mini model but applies to all.
>
> Ken
>
> jeremy knight wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> My mac mini failed completely.
>> I have purchsed an imac,but there is still some stuff that I would
>> like off the mac mini,if it can be revived
>> does anyone know where I could buy Diskwarrior for leopard in Norwich
>> please?
>> jeremy
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Thu May  7 08:21:06 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 08:21:06 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Diskwarrior wanted
In-Reply-To: <A4659687-A51F-4A1E-9C55-AA5BBBFFD0BE@mac.com>
References: <AC74B674-07FB-4626-98D2-4A3070B89CB7@mac.com>
	<70dda0e425e6c76a88d22d49d4e590a0@virgin.net>
	<DAD9ECCD-5F8E-4D94-906D-4A82356D7DD2@mac.com>
	<160270B6-6A82-4EBA-864F-831BABFE702E@zen.co.uk>
	<FD672E20-2D6E-4A4E-ABC9-BCED44E3E096@mac.com>
	<A688BE01-734A-4663-AA6C-9CACA60888A8@virgin.net>
	<5B6A302C-30C4-401D-9BA6-F164E14DE443@mac.com>
	<4A0223E9.8060907@stackyard.org>
	<A4659687-A51F-4A1E-9C55-AA5BBBFFD0BE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <0632EA64-28C1-415A-AC0B-86D9DA1FBBCA@durrant.co.uk>

 From your description, it's obviously not the motherboard in your Mac  
mini that's the problem. (But the only source of Mac Mini motherboards  
is Apple through an authorised repair agent - and will be more than  
the machine's worth in full working order.)

When you buy diskwarrior you get both a download and a DVD. Since you  
have another Mac, you can install the download on your iMac, connect  
the Mac Mini in firewire target mode, and iuse diskwarrior on it that  
way.

Given the symptoms you describe, it sounds like Diskwarrior might well  
be able to help.

If you're near (or going near)  Cambridge, the Apple Store there  
should stock DiskWarrior if you don't want to buy on-line. 01223 253600

regards,

Paul

On 7 May 2009, at 08:02, jeremy knight wrote:

> Thanks to you and everyone for their suggestions.
> I can get the install disk to boot up and go as far as Start install.
> I can also get the disk utility  on so that the h/d comes up but with
> a question mark on it.
> when I go through verify and repair it comes up with three problems
> re node tree  etc and then says failure on exit.
> So I am hopeful diskwarrior will do the job.
> I have seen the the freeware diskwarrior,alsoft site says for download
> and dvd,but it is not clear whether it is either or.I have asked them.
> somehow if I am paying ?80 ish I would like their disc to go with it.
> I read somewhere that D/W 4 sometimes will not work on Leopard,which
> may be why there is D/W 4.1 and even 4.1.1 is out now.
> Taking out the h/d is something I had considered as stage 2 and yes
> opening the mac mini can be a bit scary,I have done it to install some
> memory.
> How much is a new motherboard for a mac mini does anyone know and
> where would I get one?
> Thank for the good luck.
> If anyone else has thoughts please keep them coming.
>  Jeremy
>
>
> On 7 May 2009, at 00:57, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
>> Jeremy,
>>
>> Try https://secure.alsoft.com/cgi-bin/makepage.acgi?orderforma.html
>> which is the online order page at Alsoft.  As Brian says, if it's the
>> logic board which has died, the disk can be extracted from the  
>> machine
>> and connected to another with a SATA(or PATA)-USB adapter from
>> Maplins,
>> et al.  What happens when you press the power button?  Make sure you
>> unplug the power adapter from the mains for a while to eliminate any
>> power management confusion before despairing.
>>
>> In case you've never done it, the mini case is a bit fun to open.   
>> You
>> need a large flat blade like a paint scraper.  I prefer a large
>> kitchen
>> knife (Norman Bates Mac Repairs Inc.).  Have a look at
>> http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/First-Look/Mac-mini-A1283/659/1 which is
>> about the latest mini model but applies to all.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> jeremy knight wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> My mac mini failed completely.
>>> I have purchsed an imac,but there is still some stuff that I would
>>> like off the mac mini,if it can be revived
>>> does anyone know where I could buy Diskwarrior for leopard in  
>>> Norwich
>>> please?
>>> jeremy
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



From Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net  Thu May  7 08:33:27 2009
From: Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net (Jeremy Webb)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 08:33:27 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mouse Right button
In-Reply-To: <C627C06C.2981D%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
References: <C627C06C.2981D%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
Message-ID: <0C5F95C4-FD27-461D-A295-F8B211B42082@virgin.net>

Your nipple or your mouse Brian? ;-)

Jeremy Webb
Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net



On 6 May 2009, at 22:32, Brian Steere wrote:

> a hard rub of the nipple upside down on
> paper. Mine work well and need this treatment occasionally.
> regards
> Brian



From jinshinjewels at googlemail.com  Thu May  7 08:44:41 2009
From: jinshinjewels at googlemail.com (Jules Slaughter)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 08:44:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New Site
In-Reply-To: <A2EF4945-A8CF-488C-8EB3-114C06206F4C@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <A2EF4945-A8CF-488C-8EB3-114C06206F4C@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <adb0e98a0905070044k152305fco7fedfd7000c99b52@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Simon

I've just looked and all pictures are there and it all works very well.

regards
Jules



On 4/22/09, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi
>
>  I have just spent all day, redoing my website with a new style sheet,
>  giving a completely new look.
>
>  Can you all give it a look please and let me know of anything that
>  doesn't work or doesn't look right.
>
>  Regards
>
>  Simon Royal
>  ---
>  Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>  'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>  SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  NMUG mailing list
>  NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>  http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>


-- 
Jules

CalmClasses & Therapies
to improve your health.

My business works on referrals.
If you like what I do, please tell others.
If not, please tell me.


From macman at f2s.com  Thu May  7 09:47:16 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 09:47:16 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Diskwarrior wanted
In-Reply-To: <A4659687-A51F-4A1E-9C55-AA5BBBFFD0BE@mac.com>
References: <AC74B674-07FB-4626-98D2-4A3070B89CB7@mac.com>
	<70dda0e425e6c76a88d22d49d4e590a0@virgin.net>
	<DAD9ECCD-5F8E-4D94-906D-4A82356D7DD2@mac.com>
	<160270B6-6A82-4EBA-864F-831BABFE702E@zen.co.uk>
	<FD672E20-2D6E-4A4E-ABC9-BCED44E3E096@mac.com>
	<A688BE01-734A-4663-AA6C-9CACA60888A8@virgin.net>
	<5B6A302C-30C4-401D-9BA6-F164E14DE443@mac.com>
	<4A0223E9.8060907@stackyard.org>
	<A4659687-A51F-4A1E-9C55-AA5BBBFFD0BE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <418FC340-8A0F-4AAB-B4EB-9048BF688C0F@f2s.com>

At Easter my son in law had a similar problem with his Macbook - the  
error concerned 'b-tree nodes' if I remember rightly.
Without Disk warrior, I did everything I could think of to access and  
repair the disk,including running in Target mode from my iMac and  
using the tools from there,  but it just wouldn't have it - looked is  
if we were getting somewhere, then failing at the last minute.  I  
tried reformatting, but that failed too.

It would, however, boot and run happily from the restore disk, so I  
concluded there was nothing wrong with the machine.

Everything crucial was backed up, so on the basis that even if the  
disk could be repaired, I would always be a bit nervous it could crash  
again at just the wrong moment, we invested in a new HD, and the  
machine is as good as new (with twice the capacity)

?41 for a 120gb HD and 5 minutes to install.  Whilst the Mini may be a  
bit harder to get into, they're great little machines, and it could  
still serve you well for years to come!

Robbie


On 7 May 2009, at 08:02, jeremy knight wrote:

HI Ken,
Thanks to you and everyone for their suggestions.
I can get the install disk to boot up and go as far as Start install.
I can also get the disk utility  on so that the h/d comes up but with
a question mark on it.
when I go through verify and repair it comes up with three problems
re node tree  etc and then says failure on exit.

If anyone else has thoughts please keep them coming.
  Jeremy




From macman at f2s.com  Thu May  7 11:34:24 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 11:34:24 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mouse Right button
In-Reply-To: <0C5F95C4-FD27-461D-A295-F8B211B42082@virgin.net>
References: <C627C06C.2981D%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
	<0C5F95C4-FD27-461D-A295-F8B211B42082@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <D7AF8AF1-0713-4C45-B80A-E82E0791A086@f2s.com>

The most effective medium for cleaning the old rollerball ones was the  
leg of your jeans (preferably Levis) - had to be a contortionist to  
get your nipple down there ...


On 7 May 2009, at 08:33, Jeremy Webb wrote:

Your nipple or your mouse Brian? ;-)

Jeremy Webb
Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net



On 6 May 2009, at 22:32, Brian Steere wrote:

> a hard rub of the nipple upside down on
> paper. Mine work well and need this treatment occasionally.
> regards
> Brian

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From lizbarnard at btinternet.com  Thu May  7 11:47:22 2009
From: lizbarnard at btinternet.com (Liz)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 11:47:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Iphoto
Message-ID: <C6287ACA.7682%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>

Thanks Paul.  I followed your instructions and still the update prompt
appeared.  I followed it and it has now wiped the few remaining albums!  I
now have a whole year?s worth of images missing!  Now, when I open iPhoto
the update prompt comes up again, the machine whizzes round for ten minutes
gets extremely hot and wipes off a bit more!

I?ve tried to get in touch with a couple of people who might help.  Triangle
appear to have disappeared and PC Pal who also do Apples did not seem
confident about sorting it.

Who to try next?

Liz


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu May  7 12:55:40 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 12:55:40 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mouse Right button
In-Reply-To: <D7AF8AF1-0713-4C45-B80A-E82E0791A086@f2s.com>
References: <C627C06C.2981D%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
	<0C5F95C4-FD27-461D-A295-F8B211B42082@virgin.net>
	<D7AF8AF1-0713-4C45-B80A-E82E0791A086@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <467B6897-5007-46BD-B94F-394DEA0DC5E3@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I must be a lucky one then. :)

Simon

On 7 May 2009, at 11:34, Robbie Murray wrote:

> had to be a contortionist to
> get your nipple down there ...

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Thu May  7 13:07:39 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 13:07:39 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Iphoto
In-Reply-To: <C6287ACA.7682%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <C6288D9B.2988E%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

Hi Liz
I doubt that your actual files are gone - but that the iPhoto application
has lost track of them.
If they are in fact still on your Disk - inside the iPhoto Library package -
then - if you cant get your library back as was you can at least reimport.
But I would try and ensure that iPhoto was in good order first.

It is hard to deal with these things remotely but in Wells-next-the-Sea I am
quite remote so don't offer my services due to travel costs and time.

I would expect there are some reading who are closer and could help you -
perhaps freely and perhaps for something for their time.

IF they are deleted and not anywhere on your HD then you still can reclaim
some or all by using such as Data rescue. This is a time consuming procedure
and cant get back anything that has since been overwritten or saved over.

I would see if your actual files are inside the iPhoto Library package - or
a previous version of it. Right click to get the open package contents
command - and don't mistake the iTunes thumbs for the originals.

I lament the path Apple took with iPhoto!
Protecting people from the Finder!


hope this helps

regards
Brian

Liz said recently:

> Thanks Paul.  I followed your instructions and still the update prompt
> appeared.  I followed it and it has now wiped the few remaining albums!  I
> now have a whole year?s worth of images missing!  Now, when I open iPhoto
> the update prompt comes up again, the machine whizzes round for ten minutes
> gets extremely hot and wipes off a bit more!
> 
> I?ve tried to get in touch with a couple of people who might help.  Triangle
> appear to have disappeared and PC Pal who also do Apples did not seem
> confident about sorting it.
> 
> Who to try next?
> 
> Liz
> _______________________________________________
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> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Thu May  7 13:23:15 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 13:23:15 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Diskwarrior wanted
In-Reply-To: <418FC340-8A0F-4AAB-B4EB-9048BF688C0F@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <C6289143.29890%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

I think if there are bad blocks on a disk (failure of the actual magnetic
media) then I would not want to continue to use it long even if Disk
utilities can map them out - but I always thought that disk directory issues
are entirely fixable if the actual material disk is ok and you have the
right tool. (I could be wrong there).

DiskWarrior and some others works by recreating an entirely fresh Disk
Directory from the files and folders on disk - I believe - which sometimes
is a better option that 'repairing' the existing disk directory.

Not disagreeing with your line of action - but adding my limited input.


Now exactly what causes corruption of the disk directory?
power cuts or spikes and force shutdowns are on my list - as well as bad
blocks (though I think Disk journaling in the background, now automatically
deals with some of this stuff sometimes).

all the best
Brian


Robbie Murray said recently:

> At Easter my son in law had a similar problem with his Macbook - the
> error concerned 'b-tree nodes' if I remember rightly.
> Without Disk warrior, I did everything I could think of to access and
> repair the disk,including running in Target mode from my iMac and
> using the tools from there,  but it just wouldn't have it - looked is
> if we were getting somewhere, then failing at the last minute.  I
> tried reformatting, but that failed too.
> 
> It would, however, boot and run happily from the restore disk, so I
> concluded there was nothing wrong with the machine.
> 
> Everything crucial was backed up, so on the basis that even if the
> disk could be repaired, I would always be a bit nervous it could crash
> again at just the wrong moment, we invested in a new HD, and the
> machine is as good as new (with twice the capacity)
> 
> ?41 for a 120gb HD and 5 minutes to install.  Whilst the Mini may be a
> bit harder to get into, they're great little machines, and it could
> still serve you well for years to come!
> 
> Robbie
> 
> 
> On 7 May 2009, at 08:02, jeremy knight wrote:
> 
> HI Ken,
> Thanks to you and everyone for their suggestions.
> I can get the install disk to boot up and go as far as Start install.
> I can also get the disk utility  on so that the h/d comes up but with
> a question mark on it.
> when I go through verify and repair it comes up with three problems
> re node tree  etc and then says failure on exit.
> 
> If anyone else has thoughts please keep them coming.
>   Jeremy
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Thu May  7 13:28:23 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 13:28:23 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mouse Right button
In-Reply-To: <0C5F95C4-FD27-461D-A295-F8B211B42082@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <C6289277.29892%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

I suppose I asked for that - but I mean the little roller ball on the mouse.
One needs to press it hard against paper while rolling it in various
directions.
The symptom of needing such treatment for me is where it starts to fail to
scroll properly in one direction.
regards
Brian


Jeremy Webb said recently:

> Your nipple or your mouse Brian? ;-)
> 
> Jeremy Webb
> Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net
> 
> 
> 
> On 6 May 2009, at 22:32, Brian Steere wrote:
> 
>> a hard rub of the nipple upside down on
>> paper. Mine work well and need this treatment occasionally.
>> regards
>> Brian
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From jeremyknight at mac.com  Thu May  7 13:30:12 2009
From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 13:30:12 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Diskwarrior wanted
In-Reply-To: <C6289143.29890%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
References: <C6289143.29890%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
Message-ID: <D56C1B8F-E3C1-41D7-8C86-B2797467EB2F@mac.com>

HI Brian,
I was going to sell the mac mini after I had put a new h/d in it if  
that is the problem.
relying on an h/d that has had problems is a bit like having a a  
repaired car that has been in a serious accident.
BTW does any one know what sort of h/d I should get please?
jeremy
On 7 May 2009, at 13:23, Brian Steere wrote:

> I think if there are bad blocks on a disk (failure of the actual  
> magnetic
> media) then I would not want to continue to use it long even if Disk
> utilities can map them out - but I always thought that disk  
> directory issues
> are entirely fixable if the actual material disk is ok and you have  
> the
> right tool. (I could be wrong there).
>
> DiskWarrior and some others works by recreating an entirely fresh Disk
> Directory from the files and folders on disk - I believe - which  
> sometimes
> is a better option that 'repairing' the existing disk directory.
>
> Not disagreeing with your line of action - but adding my limited  
> input.
>
>
> Now exactly what causes corruption of the disk directory?
> power cuts or spikes and force shutdowns are on my list - as well as  
> bad
> blocks (though I think Disk journaling in the background, now  
> automatically
> deals with some of this stuff sometimes).
>
> all the best
> Brian
>
>
> Robbie Murray said recently:
>
>> At Easter my son in law had a similar problem with his Macbook - the
>> error concerned 'b-tree nodes' if I remember rightly.
>> Without Disk warrior, I did everything I could think of to access and
>> repair the disk,including running in Target mode from my iMac and
>> using the tools from there,  but it just wouldn't have it - looked is
>> if we were getting somewhere, then failing at the last minute.  I
>> tried reformatting, but that failed too.
>>
>> It would, however, boot and run happily from the restore disk, so I
>> concluded there was nothing wrong with the machine.
>>
>> Everything crucial was backed up, so on the basis that even if the
>> disk could be repaired, I would always be a bit nervous it could  
>> crash
>> again at just the wrong moment, we invested in a new HD, and the
>> machine is as good as new (with twice the capacity)
>>
>> ?41 for a 120gb HD and 5 minutes to install.  Whilst the Mini may  
>> be a
>> bit harder to get into, they're great little machines, and it could
>> still serve you well for years to come!
>>
>> Robbie
>>
>>
>> On 7 May 2009, at 08:02, jeremy knight wrote:
>>
>> HI Ken,
>> Thanks to you and everyone for their suggestions.
>> I can get the install disk to boot up and go as far as Start install.
>> I can also get the disk utility  on so that the h/d comes up but with
>> a question mark on it.
>> when I go through verify and repair it comes up with three problems
>> re node tree  etc and then says failure on exit.
>>
>> If anyone else has thoughts please keep them coming.
>>  Jeremy
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk  Thu May  7 14:11:32 2009
From: footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk (joe butler)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 13:11:32 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: Powerbook for sale and cube question
Message-ID: <120390.69427.qm@web26702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

how much are you asking for the Powerbook?

Cheap and Free mobile phones  http://www.nimrod.2u.co.uk  ?  Iphone and Ipod Insurance   http://nimrod.2u.co.uk/insurance  ?  Get your own FREE mobile phones sales website  http://nimrod.2uaffiliates.com/join/  ?  ?  ?  ?

--- On Tue, 5/5/09, Christopher Stone <info at fisheyephotography.co.uk> wrote:

From: Christopher Stone <info at fisheyephotography.co.uk>
Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: Powerbook for sale and cube question
To: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
Date: Tuesday, 5 May, 2009, 2:40 PM

Hi everyone I am new to this group...I am sure that it will prove
useful. Anyone know where I can get a power cable for a lovely Mac
Cube which I bought from THE US two years ago and have never powered up
yet...it is lovely though.

Also I have a G4 12 inch powerbook for sale.

867 mhz
40 gb hd
superdrive
bluetooth
10.4.11
Ilife 8




Nice piece of kit but now have mac book. Has a few scuffs and marks
from use but works great. Screen needs a small screw as well.

Dont want to waste time with ebay so offers if interested please


Also have a WIRELESS BLUETOOTH KEYBOARD for sale..never used...


Chis


----- End forwarded message -----


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From macman at f2s.com  Thu May  7 14:25:27 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 14:25:27 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Diskwarrior wanted
In-Reply-To: <D56C1B8F-E3C1-41D7-8C86-B2797467EB2F@mac.com>
References: <C6289143.29890%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
	<D56C1B8F-E3C1-41D7-8C86-B2797467EB2F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <50EFC628-B63B-4602-958B-90502E33FB81@f2s.com>

2.5", but looks like it's dependent on which model - IDE/ATA for G4:  
SATA for Intel.

After a lot of research, this is the one I got for the Macbook ....  
(SATA).

You can go for a faster, 7200 one nowadays, but they can be noisier  
and run hotter ...


http://tinyurl.com/dfmne8

Hope this helps

Robbie



On 7 May 2009, at 13:30, jeremy knight wrote:


BTW does any one know what sort of h/d I should get please?
jeremy




From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com  Thu May  7 14:30:08 2009
From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (Simon Bainbridge)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 14:30:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: Powerbook for sale and cube question
In-Reply-To: <120390.69427.qm@web26702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <120390.69427.qm@web26702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BEB13531-9EF3-4576-9E67-4E0E6AEB1D7E@googlemail.com>

Hi Chris

I'll put an offer of ?80 for the G4 Powerbook. Let me know if you want  
to except the offer at my email address macfolders at me.com

Cheers

Simon

On 7 May 2009, at 14:11, joe butler wrote:

> how much are you asking for the Powerbook?
>
> Cheap and Free mobile phones  http://www.nimrod.2u.co.uk     Iphone  
> and Ipod Insurance   http://nimrod.2u.co.uk/insurance     Get your  
> own FREE mobile phones sales website  http://nimrod.2uaffiliates.com/join/
>
> --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Christopher Stone  
> <info at fisheyephotography.co.uk> wrote:
>
> From: Christopher Stone <info at fisheyephotography.co.uk>
> Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: Powerbook for sale and cube question
> To: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Date: Tuesday, 5 May, 2009, 2:40 PM
>
> Hi everyone I am new to this group...I am sure that it will prove
> useful. Anyone know where I can get a power cable for a lovely Mac
> Cube which I bought from THE US two years ago and have never powered  
> up
> yet...it is lovely though.
>
> Also I have a G4 12 inch powerbook for sale.
>
> 867 mhz
> 40 gb hd
> superdrive
> bluetooth
> 10.4.11
> Ilife 8
>
>
>
>
> Nice piece of kit but now have mac book. Has a few scuffs and marks
> from use but works great. Screen needs a small screw as well.
>
> Dont want to waste time with ebay so offers if interested please
>
>
> Also have a WIRELESS BLUETOOTH KEYBOARD for sale..never used...
>
>
> Chis
>
>
> ----- End forwarded message -----
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

Simon Bainbridge
2003r2tech at googlemail.com






From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk  Thu May  7 15:57:32 2009
From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 15:57:32 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ISP
Message-ID: <92F4E81A-D543-4CF9-913C-3311A87E71FC@mendelsohn.me.uk>

Hi everyone,

Our current ISP is F2s - at a cost of ?14.99 per month. Their Mac  
support (used infrequently) has been very good but over the past year  
or so their servers have been down several times, once for a few days.

We are thinking of changing providers - does anyone have any views/ 
experience with BT Broadband? We can get the first 3 months free and  
then the cost would be ?15.65 per month. We are not heavy users - the  
maximum is about  8000 MBytes per month(inbound and outbound).  
Occasionally this has gone higher, often it is far less.

Thanks

Phyll and Ed

From ricnev at mac.com  Thu May  7 16:28:25 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 16:28:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ISP
In-Reply-To: <92F4E81A-D543-4CF9-913C-3311A87E71FC@mendelsohn.me.uk>
References: <92F4E81A-D543-4CF9-913C-3311A87E71FC@mendelsohn.me.uk>
Message-ID: <0A5ABC2F-658A-439C-9985-55F3F9031BE7@mac.com>

Here is a comparison website which shows the relative performance of a  
number of popular ISPs as voted by users:

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/isp/compare.html

BT does not show up too well in the results (even though they are my  
ISP - I use them for reasons not relevant to this discussion).

Zen seems to perform well, although I don't know how Mac friendly they  
are.

ISP performance does vary over time - particularly as companies  
'improve' their customer service (usually by downsizing and  
robotising), as the minnows get swallowed up by bigger fish, and as  
ISP corporations change their outsourcing philosophies.

I have read that it makes sense to re-assess your ISP both financially  
and performance-wise each time the initial contract term draws to a  
close - seems sensible although I always forget to do this.

Richard Nevill.


On 7 May 2009, at 15:57, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Our current ISP is F2s - at a cost of ?14.99 per month. Their Mac
> support (used infrequently) has been very good but over the past year
> or so their servers have been down several times, once for a few days.
>
> We are thinking of changing providers - does anyone have any views/
> experience with BT Broadband? We can get the first 3 months free and
> then the cost would be ?15.65 per month. We are not heavy users - the
> maximum is about  8000 MBytes per month(inbound and outbound).
> Occasionally this has gone higher, often it is far less.
>
> Thanks
>
> Phyll and Ed
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com





From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu May  7 17:23:18 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 17:23:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Content & Site Suggestions
Message-ID: <3564A9C6-DBF3-46FF-BD7A-1ADEA7153768@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

After quite a few months of traffic to my site climbing steadily, it  
has suddenly started losing traffic quickly.

Any suggestions on new content and any help on getting it more traffic  
would be great.

If anyone has any articles they want published on it, feel free to  
send them. Of course you will receive full credit.

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From macman at f2s.com  Thu May  7 17:42:06 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 17:42:06 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ISP
In-Reply-To: <0A5ABC2F-658A-439C-9985-55F3F9031BE7@mac.com>
References: <92F4E81A-D543-4CF9-913C-3311A87E71FC@mendelsohn.me.uk>
	<0A5ABC2F-658A-439C-9985-55F3F9031BE7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <158B0B62-D43C-409C-8783-B6559959174D@f2s.com>

I've recently added 2 x Zen services in our offices, and they've been  
good as gold.  Unless it involves (God forbid) USB Modems I've never  
really understood the need for 'Mac friendliness', as everything to do  
with the connection is Browser/Modem centric rather than platform  
specific.  However, as I'm a System and Network manager, that could be  
construed as a slightly insensitive comment, but in all the years I've  
been involved in ADSL, I've never had a problem that wasn't down to  
the ISP or on rare occasions, the modem.   I would certainly recommend  
Zen, and also Namesco.

My home connection has been with f2s for many years, and we've had ups  
& downs, particularly last year when there was serious break in their  
fibre backbone, but since then it's been OK.   Unfortunately, they're  
owned by Tiscali, which is in deep doodoo and probably about to be  
taken over, probably by Sky or TalkTalk, neither of which I would want  
to have anything to do with, but for the moment, it's all working A- 
OK.  (No doubt I've just tempted fate ....)

Robbie





On 7 May 2009, at 16:28, Richard Nevill wrote:

Zen seems to perform well, although I don't know how Mac friendly they
are.

ISP performance does vary over time - particularly as companies
'improve' their customer service (usually by downsizing and
robotising), as the minnows get swallowed up by bigger fish, and as
ISP corporations change their outsourcing philosophies.

I have read that it makes sense to re-assess your ISP both financially
and performance-wise each time the initial contract term draws to a
close - seems sensible although I always forget to do this.

Richard Nevill.


On 7 May 2009, at 15:57, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Our current ISP is F2s - at a cost of ?14.99 per month. Their Mac
> support (used infrequently) has been very good but over the past year
> or so their servers have been down several times, once for a few days.
>




From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Thu May  7 18:03:17 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 18:03:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ISP
In-Reply-To: <158B0B62-D43C-409C-8783-B6559959174D@f2s.com>
References: <92F4E81A-D543-4CF9-913C-3311A87E71FC@mendelsohn.me.uk>
	<0A5ABC2F-658A-439C-9985-55F3F9031BE7@mac.com>
	<158B0B62-D43C-409C-8783-B6559959174D@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <7A7F577C-555C-4ECF-9224-BD1403EBE7E5@zen.co.uk>

Zen is very good.

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 7 May 2009, at 17:42, Robbie Murray wrote:

> I've recently added 2 x Zen services in our offices, and they've been
> good as gold.  Unless it involves (God forbid) USB Modems I've never
> really understood the need for 'Mac friendliness', as everything to do
> with the connection is Browser/Modem centric rather than platform
> specific.  However, as I'm a System and Network manager, that could be
> construed as a slightly insensitive comment, but in all the years I've
> been involved in ADSL, I've never had a problem that wasn't down to
> the ISP or on rare occasions, the modem.   I would certainly recommend
> Zen, and also Namesco.
>
> My home connection has been with f2s for many years, and we've had ups
> & downs, particularly last year when there was serious break in their
> fibre backbone, but since then it's been OK.   Unfortunately, they're
> owned by Tiscali, which is in deep doodoo and probably about to be
> taken over, probably by Sky or TalkTalk, neither of which I would want
> to have anything to do with, but for the moment, it's all working A-
> OK.  (No doubt I've just tempted fate ....)
>
> Robbie
>
>
>
>
>
> On 7 May 2009, at 16:28, Richard Nevill wrote:
>
> Zen seems to perform well, although I don't know how Mac friendly they
> are.
>
> ISP performance does vary over time - particularly as companies
> 'improve' their customer service (usually by downsizing and
> robotising), as the minnows get swallowed up by bigger fish, and as
> ISP corporations change their outsourcing philosophies.
>
> I have read that it makes sense to re-assess your ISP both financially
> and performance-wise each time the initial contract term draws to a
> close - seems sensible although I always forget to do this.
>
> Richard Nevill.
>
>
> On 7 May 2009, at 15:57, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Our current ISP is F2s - at a cost of ?14.99 per month. Their Mac
>> support (used infrequently) has been very good but over the past year
>> or so their servers have been down several times, once for a few  
>> days.
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From ian at igdesign.co.uk  Thu May  7 20:19:26 2009
From: ian at igdesign.co.uk (Ian Garrett)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 20:19:26 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ISP
In-Reply-To: <7A7F577C-555C-4ECF-9224-BD1403EBE7E5@zen.co.uk>
References: <92F4E81A-D543-4CF9-913C-3311A87E71FC@mendelsohn.me.uk>
	<0A5ABC2F-658A-439C-9985-55F3F9031BE7@mac.com>
	<158B0B62-D43C-409C-8783-B6559959174D@f2s.com>
	<7A7F577C-555C-4ECF-9224-BD1403EBE7E5@zen.co.uk>
Message-ID: <E17D8FAD-52DA-4E07-B214-CD39C859363B@igdesign.co.uk>

I've been with Sky for nearly a year, because the broadband came free  
with Sky TV (we don't get digital until 2011). The broadband has been  
entirely trouble-free, which is more than I can say for the SkyTV box.

Before that I was with Demon, who were good but expensive.

Regards,
Ian


On 7 May , at Thu 07 May 2009, 06:03:17, Steven Jefferson wrote:

> Zen is very good.
>
> Steven Jefferson
> steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk
>
>
>
> On 7 May 2009, at 17:42, Robbie Murray wrote:
>
>> I've recently added 2 x Zen services in our offices, and they've been
>> good as gold.  Unless it involves (God forbid) USB Modems I've never
>> really understood the need for 'Mac friendliness', as everything to  
>> do
>> with the connection is Browser/Modem centric rather than platform
>> specific.  However, as I'm a System and Network manager, that could  
>> be
>> construed as a slightly insensitive comment, but in all the years  
>> I've
>> been involved in ADSL, I've never had a problem that wasn't down to
>> the ISP or on rare occasions, the modem.   I would certainly  
>> recommend
>> Zen, and also Namesco.
>>
>> My home connection has been with f2s for many years, and we've had  
>> ups
>> & downs, particularly last year when there was serious break in their
>> fibre backbone, but since then it's been OK.   Unfortunately, they're
>> owned by Tiscali, which is in deep doodoo and probably about to be
>> taken over, probably by Sky or TalkTalk, neither of which I would  
>> want
>> to have anything to do with, but for the moment, it's all working A-
>> OK.  (No doubt I've just tempted fate ....)
>>
>> Robbie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7 May 2009, at 16:28, Richard Nevill wrote:
>>
>> Zen seems to perform well, although I don't know how Mac friendly  
>> they
>> are.
>>
>> ISP performance does vary over time - particularly as companies
>> 'improve' their customer service (usually by downsizing and
>> robotising), as the minnows get swallowed up by bigger fish, and as
>> ISP corporations change their outsourcing philosophies.
>>
>> I have read that it makes sense to re-assess your ISP both  
>> financially
>> and performance-wise each time the initial contract term draws to a
>> close - seems sensible although I always forget to do this.
>>
>> Richard Nevill.
>>
>>
>> On 7 May 2009, at 15:57, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> Our current ISP is F2s - at a cost of ?14.99 per month. Their Mac
>>> support (used infrequently) has been very good but over the past  
>>> year
>>> or so their servers have been down several times, once for a few
>>> days.
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From minkennison at mac.com  Thu May  7 21:01:35 2009
From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 21:01:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ISP
In-Reply-To: <92F4E81A-D543-4CF9-913C-3311A87E71FC@mendelsohn.me.uk>
References: <92F4E81A-D543-4CF9-913C-3311A87E71FC@mendelsohn.me.uk>
Message-ID: <A65444FE-2706-412E-A15E-F2BFD0653108@mac.com>

Hi Ed and Phyll

We have had BT broadband for many years now and have had relatively  
few problems.
Min

On 7 May 2009, at 15:577 May 2009, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Our current ISP is F2s - at a cost of ?14.99 per month. Their Mac
> support (used infrequently) has been very good but over the past year
> or so their servers have been down several times, once for a few days.
>
> We are thinking of changing providers - does anyone have any views/
> experience with BT Broadband? We can get the first 3 months free and
> then the cost would be ?15.65 per month. We are not heavy users - the
> maximum is about  8000 MBytes per month(inbound and outbound).
> Occasionally this has gone higher, often it is far less.
>
> Thanks
>
> Phyll and Ed
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Fri May  8 00:15:46 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 00:15:46 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ISP
In-Reply-To: <92F4E81A-D543-4CF9-913C-3311A87E71FC@mendelsohn.me.uk>
References: <92F4E81A-D543-4CF9-913C-3311A87E71FC@mendelsohn.me.uk>
Message-ID: <4A036BA2.5080605@stackyard.org>

DON'T GET ME STARTED ABOUT ISPs! As someone who travels the countryside 
helping people with their internet connection problems, I have had 
run-ins with the support staff of various ISPs and have observed the 
misinformation given to their customers. The rule of thumb I give to 
customers who are looking to acquire broadband or change provider is 
that if they have heard of the company, don't choose them. Before anyone 
springs to the defense of their large ISP, I acknowledge that this is a 
generalization but I keep encountering folks who believe their ISPs are 
fine when they are, in fact, getting little more than dial-up speeds or 
intermittent connections through no fault of their own equipment. And 
then there is the all-to-common problem of vanishing email or connection.

Many large ISPs such as BT are OK until that moment when something goes 
wrong at which point the customer is usually left up the river without a 
paddle unless they get someone like me to have a word. I can think of 
one who went 6 weeks without a connection from BT before they called me. 
To be fair, I'm sure 99.9% of failed connections are due to customers' 
lack of knowledge, e.g. forgetting to turn on the computer before 
browsing the web. But when there is a problem at the telephone exchange 
or on BT's backhaul, a large ISP will be DISTINCTLY unhelpful. The 
average support person of your average giant ISP is following a list of 
questions on a screen which is designed to weed out the problems caused 
by customers who have not read the instructions. When I have tried to 
short-circuit this process because I know a problem lies somewhere on 
the BT side of the customer's master socket, things get very difficult 
and you can actually hear the poor guy sweating at the other end of the 
line. Or else they say they will sort it out and don't. I had one of 
those with Virgin Media a couple weeks ago. They kept closing the ticket 
even though the broadband carrier remained distinctly absent at the 
customer's house. It took 2 weeks and 7 phone calls to get them to get 
OpenReach to fix the fault. The customer was in tears - literally.

And please do not make the common mistake of assuming that BT Broadband 
is better because problems will be sorted out quicker. BT Broadband have 
as much clout with BT Wholesale and OpenReach as any other ISP. They are 
forbidden by OfCom regulations from even insinuating they might. I can 
assure you that they definitely do NOT solve problems quicker than other 
ISPs.

So my favorite site in these matters is http://www.ispreview.co.uk/

Have a look at their top 10 and you will see two lists: top 10 by 
customer satisfaction and top 10 by customer numbers. You will notice 
that the two lists are mutually exclusive.

Have a look at the most favored ISPs and you won't have heard of any of 
them. They are small enough that when you ring their support number, you 
get the guy who either runs their network or who has considerable 
knowledge of it. In the review section, look for ISPs with a high number 
of stars and a high number of reviews. A good review by one person is 
not indicative.

There is always the "bigger fish" problem. For example, Freedom2Surf was 
one of the top-rated ISPs about 5 years ago. Then they were bought by 
Pipex. Then Pipex were bought by Tiscali. Now the F2S rating is pretty 
poor. And as has been already pointed out, Tiscali and its subsidiaries 
are soon to be taken over by somebody else. I believe the parent company 
has until June to come up with ?500 million before their banks close 
them down. Oh dear. Oops. And who owns whom? Many ISPs are owned by 
bigger ISPs but you would never know except for the telltale poor review 
on the ispreview site. Like Robbie, we use Namesco but that's because we 
signed up with NDO when it was highly recommended and it was then taken 
over by Namesco. Fortunately, Namesco was a web hosting company rather 
than another ISP so the NDO infrastructure was used and it has remained 
OK, although Namesco itself was purchased a couple years ago. Will it 
get worse soon? Who knows? I've never had to call them so I guess that's 
a good sign. We've lost connection twice - both times when the local 
farmer drove a plow through the phone line to our village.

As has also been pointed out, "Mac Support" means that the ISP's support 
people should be able to tell you how to fix a broken connection if your 
machine is a Mac. If you have a router or ethernet modem, this question 
is academic because the thing that has the internet connection is the 
router. If you can get to the router's configuration web page, it 
doesn't matter what sort of computer you do this from. A more important 
issue can be the ISP's support for your router. Of course if you get 
your router from the ISP, it should be supported. As Robbie inferred, if 
your new ISP offers you a USB modem, DON'T ACCEPT IT! Buy a proper 
router either from the ISP (to assure support) or from a retailer. USB 
modems are E V I L and WILL give you trouble at some point in the 
future. There are many brands and models of router to choose from - my 
favorites are the Netgear DG834 or DG834G (wireless) range. I have lost 
count of the number of these I have installed and their configuration 
web page is the most logical and well-laid out of any of the routers I 
have played with. I have had one dead power adapter and a few that 
became unable to sync with the telephone exchange after a lightning 
strike which is fair enough. I could go on about routers but I won't go 
there.

So do your research and read the reviews on ispreview. To switch ISP, 
you will need a migration code called a MAC number from your existing 
ISP. I believe they are required to give you this within 5 working days 
by OfCom regulation. I suspect Tiscali (and F2S) are handing out quite a 
few at the moment. You need to give this code to your new provider.

There, I told you not to get me started.

Ken


Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Our current ISP is F2s - at a cost of ?14.99 per month. Their Mac  
> support (used infrequently) has been very good but over the past year  
> or so their servers have been down several times, once for a few days.
>
> We are thinking of changing providers - does anyone have any views/ 
> experience with BT Broadband? We can get the first 3 months free and  
> then the cost would be ?15.65 per month. We are not heavy users - the  
> maximum is about  8000 MBytes per month(inbound and outbound).  
> Occasionally this has gone higher, often it is far less.
>
> Thanks
>
> Phyll and Ed
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Fri May  8 01:34:33 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 01:34:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] mousing around
Message-ID: <927D0289-4A2C-493B-B27C-81D3EB8D4124@gmail.com>

Recent postings about mouses.. interesting..

When I was working at Apple with the development team  on the original  
Mac project, there used to be endless brainstorming sessions about all  
the new technology that would come with this project. Exciting times.

There was incredible TECHNOLOGY to be used.. a full 8MHz processor  
power!!... a whopping 64MB of memory (but I think it launched with  
128MB) !!!!! and 400KB of storage! OMG!!!!! The world was never going  
to be the same.

The big debate was, funnily enough, about the bloody mouse. The one  
Steve Jobs had seen at Xerox PARC was a 2 button jobby, pretty sure  
about that, However, Jobs was very firm about the positioning of the  
new system. There was going to be NOTHING  complicated about it. It  
was to be a Cuisinart was how he put it. (That's a food mixer). If you  
wanted carrot juice, you put carrots in and pressed a button. If the  
choice was apple, you put the apple in and pressed a button. The user  
didn't ned to know how it worked and didn't care, he wanted carrot or  
apple juice.. sometimes both depending on what he'd been smoking.

The customer was not going to be asked to make any unnecessary  
decisions in order to get the job done, and 2 buttons to Jobs meant a  
decision.. press button 1 or press button 2?. Andy Hertzfeld (the OS  
architect) however wanted 2 buttons, in fact he wanted as many buttons  
as could be fitted on the mouse.. there was a gazillion uses he could  
think of for all those buttons. Apple stuck with the single button  
mouse for many generations and I for one think they were right to do  
so. It meant for example, programmers thought their application  
interface through so the user only had 2 choices at any point- in fact  
the Apple toolbox that threw up the dialog box only allowed 2 buttons!  
- and this led to an elegance in design that Windoze has never  
achieved.. I still hate to see 3 choices on an application dialog. I  
mean, what the hell is the difference between OK and APPLY? I have  
never figured it out.

I think as time passed and users became very familiar with using the  
mouse the door opened to permit more controls on the mouse without  
causing confusion and so the 2 button mouse became more acceptable. I  
bet you, though, that Jobs still has a single button mouse on his  
desktop. He is a stubborn man. And who is to say he's wrong? He's  
probably got his butler trained on the one button mouse. I have a 2  
button mouse myself, inherited from my brother, but I have no idea  
what the other button is for, still! One does the job for me.

A le recherche du temps perdu.... 


From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Fri May  8 01:43:29 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 01:43:29 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] I'm losing it guys and gals
Message-ID: <C637A560-1628-4D36-80BA-0B339C069039@gmail.com>

In my earlier mouse dropping I said the original Mac memory was  
128MB.. of course it was 128KB.

Just goes to show how technology has moved along.. I mistyped by a  
factor of 1000 and didn't even notice. Or is it a million?

I really am losing the plot here.


From nathan.crosby at virgin.net  Fri May  8 08:00:13 2009
From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 08:00:13 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] mousing around
In-Reply-To: <927D0289-4A2C-493B-B27C-81D3EB8D4124@gmail.com>
References: <927D0289-4A2C-493B-B27C-81D3EB8D4124@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <421A7E09-C55A-48BC-9868-BFFEB450DB7B@virgin.net>

Thanks. Interesting stuff.

Nathan


On 8 May 2009, at 01:34, stefan youngs wrote:

> Recent postings about mouses.. interesting..
>
> When I was working at Apple with the development team  on the original
> Mac project, there used to be endless brainstorming sessions about all
> the new technology that would come with this project. Exciting times.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From alanbarber at mac.com  Fri May  8 08:05:51 2009
From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 08:05:51 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] mac basics meeting
Message-ID: <74B485D1-6CC3-4FB6-8E05-27D90745240D@mac.com>

One thing I forgot to say to all those coming to tomorrows meeting.
Please use the small door to the left side of the church.

Regards

Alan
		



From p.hunter at ntlworld.com  Fri May  8 09:08:30 2009
From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 09:08:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows XP Disc
Message-ID: <8E18D617-48A7-49F7-B15F-557502C84A30@ntlworld.com>

Hi all,

I know this isn't strictly a Mac request, but I don't use any Windows  
forums or list, so I hope someone here can help.

I am upgrading a laptop for a friend (yes, I DO have one!). I have  
increased the RAM to its max of 2Gb, and purchased a larger hard  
drive. Although he purchased the laptop new he has lost the recovery  
disc.

There is a partition on the hard drive with the recovery files, but  
according to the manufacturers information that I have, this still  
needs the recovery disc.

It is running Windows XP Home edition, and has a license certificate  
on the bottom of the laptop, so I don't need a license number, just a  
disc or copy of a disc. Nothing illegal or sinister requested.

I have managed to download all the required drivers for this computer,  
and burned them to disc ready to install once I have XP on the new  
hard drive.

So, if anyone can help I will be happy to collect or pay for postage,  
as well as reimbursement/payment for the disc. Please contact me off  
list if you can help, or on my Mobile ( 07983856097 ).

Many thanks.

Peter.




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri May  8 09:19:43 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 09:19:43 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows XP Disc
In-Reply-To: <8E18D617-48A7-49F7-B15F-557502C84A30@ntlworld.com>
References: <8E18D617-48A7-49F7-B15F-557502C84A30@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <64616C0F-F34A-4A0B-B2DC-FAA11A9705FE@simonroyal.co.uk>

Peter

I recently have had this problem with my wifes Vista laptop. It came  
with a recover disc, but I wanted to get rid off all the rubbish they  
pre-install.

Like you, she owned a licence - as it her code printed on the bottom  
of her laptop - so it is just a case of media. I spoke to a friend of  
mine who works for a computer repairers about it and he has had a lot  
of customers needing a physical disc or a physical clean disc and not  
one of these bundled recovery discs and they have been supplying  
'copies' of vista for them to use.

If you know someone with an XP disc - just borrow theirs and use your  
code, alternatively you could always look on torrent sites for it -  
after all that is what they are uploaded for, for 'backup' purposes.

I questioned the legallity of this? He replied saying it was perfectly  
above board. I know you can copy Windows discs for your own use - as  
long as you have the original disc and do not use it for other people,  
but does that stretch as far as obtaining a retail version and using  
it instead of a recovery/bundled disc - even with your own licence.  
What do you actually purchase a licence or media?

Apple make this far easier by not using serial numbers or activation.  
So simply put, you have to have an original disc otherwise it is piracy.

Simon

On 8 May 2009, at 09:08, Peter Hunter wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I know this isn't strictly a Mac request, but I don't use any Windows
> forums or list, so I hope someone here can help.
>
> I am upgrading a laptop for a friend (yes, I DO have one!). I have
> increased the RAM to its max of 2Gb, and purchased a larger hard
> drive. Although he purchased the laptop new he has lost the recovery
> disc.
>
> There is a partition on the hard drive with the recovery files, but
> according to the manufacturers information that I have, this still
> needs the recovery disc.
>
> It is running Windows XP Home edition, and has a license certificate
> on the bottom of the laptop, so I don't need a license number, just a
> disc or copy of a disc. Nothing illegal or sinister requested.
>
> I have managed to download all the required drivers for this computer,
> and burned them to disc ready to install once I have XP on the new
> hard drive.
>
> So, if anyone can help I will be happy to collect or pay for postage,
> as well as reimbursement/payment for the disc. Please contact me off
> list if you can help, or on my Mobile ( 07983856097 ).
>
> Many thanks.
>
> Peter.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
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'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk  Fri May  8 09:43:19 2009
From: footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk (joe butler)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 08:43:19 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NMUG] Windows XP Disc
Message-ID: <194418.40149.qm@web26706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

I have genuine xp pro disks and a copy of xp home more than happy to give a lend if needed.
Joe
078 33 77 44 80


Cheap and Free mobile phones
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?
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Get your own FREE mobile phones sales website
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--- On Fri, 8/5/09, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:


From: Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [NMUG] Windows XP Disc
To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Date: Friday, 8 May, 2009, 9:19 AM


Peter

I recently have had this problem with my wifes Vista laptop. It came? 
with a recover disc, but I wanted to get rid off all the rubbish they? 
pre-install.

Like you, she owned a licence - as it her code printed on the bottom? 
of her laptop - so it is just a case of media. I spoke to a friend of? 
mine who works for a computer repairers about it and he has had a lot? 
of customers needing a physical disc or a physical clean disc and not? 
one of these bundled recovery discs and they have been supplying? 
'copies' of vista for them to use.

If you know someone with an XP disc - just borrow theirs and use your? 
code, alternatively you could always look on torrent sites for it -? 
after all that is what they are uploaded for, for 'backup' purposes.

I questioned the legallity of this? He replied saying it was perfectly? 
above board. I know you can copy Windows discs for your own use - as? 
long as you have the original disc and do not use it for other people,? 
but does that stretch as far as obtaining a retail version and using? 
it instead of a recovery/bundled disc - even with your own licence.? 
What do you actually purchase a licence or media?

Apple make this far easier by not using serial numbers or activation.? 
So simply put, you have to have an original disc otherwise it is piracy.

Simon

On 8 May 2009, at 09:08, Peter Hunter wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I know this isn't strictly a Mac request, but I don't use any Windows
> forums or list, so I hope someone here can help.
>
> I am upgrading a laptop for a friend (yes, I DO have one!). I have
> increased the RAM to its max of 2Gb, and purchased a larger hard
> drive. Although he purchased the laptop new he has lost the recovery
> disc.
>
> There is a partition on the hard drive with the recovery files, but
> according to the manufacturers information that I have, this still
> needs the recovery disc.
>
> It is running Windows XP Home edition, and has a license certificate
> on the bottom of the laptop, so I don't need a license number, just a
> disc or copy of a disc. Nothing illegal or sinister requested.
>
> I have managed to download all the required drivers for this computer,
> and burned them to disc ready to install once I have XP on the new
> hard drive.
>
> So, if anyone can help I will be happy to collect or pay for postage,
> as well as reimbursement/payment for the disc. Please contact me off
> list if you can help, or on my Mobile ( 07983856097 ).
>
> Many thanks.
>
> Peter.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on? 
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,? 
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)




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From p.hunter at ntlworld.com  Fri May  8 10:07:41 2009
From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 10:07:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows XP Disc
In-Reply-To: <64616C0F-F34A-4A0B-B2DC-FAA11A9705FE@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <8E18D617-48A7-49F7-B15F-557502C84A30@ntlworld.com>
	<64616C0F-F34A-4A0B-B2DC-FAA11A9705FE@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CE7CAD94-38FC-4D96-ABA1-907A7D56CDA5@ntlworld.com>

Hi Simon,

I don't quite see the point of your reply. You have said exactly what  
I have said.

My request is for a disc, nothing else.

Sorry, I don't and won't use torrent.

Regards

Peter

On 8 May 2009, at 09:19, Simon Royal wrote:

> Peter
>
> I recently have had this problem with my wifes Vista laptop. It came
> with a recover disc, but I wanted to get rid off all the rubbish they
> pre-install.
>
> Like you, she owned a licence - as it her code printed on the bottom
> of her laptop - so it is just a case of media. I spoke to a friend of
> mine who works for a computer repairers about it and he has had a lot
> of customers needing a physical disc or a physical clean disc and not
> one of these bundled recovery discs and they have been supplying
> 'copies' of vista for them to use.
>
> If you know someone with an XP disc - just borrow theirs and use your
> code, alternatively you could always look on torrent sites for it -
> after all that is what they are uploaded for, for 'backup' purposes.
>
> I questioned the legallity of this? He replied saying it was perfectly
> above board. I know you can copy Windows discs for your own use - as
> long as you have the original disc and do not use it for other people,
> but does that stretch as far as obtaining a retail version and using
> it instead of a recovery/bundled disc - even with your own licence.
> What do you actually purchase a licence or media?
>
> Apple make this far easier by not using serial numbers or activation.
> So simply put, you have to have an original disc otherwise it is  
> piracy.
>
> Simon
>
> On 8 May 2009, at 09:08, Peter Hunter wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I know this isn't strictly a Mac request, but I don't use any Windows
>> forums or list, so I hope someone here can help.
>>
>> I am upgrading a laptop for a friend (yes, I DO have one!). I have
>> increased the RAM to its max of 2Gb, and purchased a larger hard
>> drive. Although he purchased the laptop new he has lost the recovery
>> disc.
>>
>> There is a partition on the hard drive with the recovery files, but
>> according to the manufacturers information that I have, this still
>> needs the recovery disc.
>>
>> It is running Windows XP Home edition, and has a license certificate
>> on the bottom of the laptop, so I don't need a license number, just a
>> disc or copy of a disc. Nothing illegal or sinister requested.
>>
>> I have managed to download all the required drivers for this  
>> computer,
>> and burned them to disc ready to install once I have XP on the new
>> hard drive.
>>
>> So, if anyone can help I will be happy to collect or pay for postage,
>> as well as reimbursement/payment for the disc. Please contact me off
>> list if you can help, or on my Mobile ( 07983856097 ).
>>
>> Many thanks.
>>
>> Peter.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From p.hunter at ntlworld.com  Fri May  8 10:08:58 2009
From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 10:08:58 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows XP Disc
In-Reply-To: <194418.40149.qm@web26706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <194418.40149.qm@web26706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B6CE5828-B555-4298-AA34-48FF9953F751@ntlworld.com>

Thanks Joe. It's the XP Home I need as this is what the license is for.

How can I get that from you?

Regards

Peter


On 8 May 2009, at 09:43, joe butler wrote:

> I have genuine xp pro disks and a copy of xp home more than happy to  
> give a lend if needed.
> Joe
> 078 33 77 44 80
>
>
> Cheap and Free mobile phones
> http://www.nimrod.2u.co.uk
>
> Iphone and Ipod Insurance
> http://nimrod.2u.co.uk/insurance
>
> Get your own FREE mobile phones sales website
> http://nimrod.2uaffiliates.com/join/
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 8/5/09, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> From: Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Windows XP Disc
> To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Date: Friday, 8 May, 2009, 9:19 AM
>
>
> Peter
>
> I recently have had this problem with my wifes Vista laptop. It came
> with a recover disc, but I wanted to get rid off all the rubbish they
> pre-install.
>
> Like you, she owned a licence - as it her code printed on the bottom
> of her laptop - so it is just a case of media. I spoke to a friend of
> mine who works for a computer repairers about it and he has had a lot
> of customers needing a physical disc or a physical clean disc and not
> one of these bundled recovery discs and they have been supplying
> 'copies' of vista for them to use.
>
> If you know someone with an XP disc - just borrow theirs and use your
> code, alternatively you could always look on torrent sites for it -
> after all that is what they are uploaded for, for 'backup' purposes.
>
> I questioned the legallity of this? He replied saying it was perfectly
> above board. I know you can copy Windows discs for your own use - as
> long as you have the original disc and do not use it for other people,
> but does that stretch as far as obtaining a retail version and using
> it instead of a recovery/bundled disc - even with your own licence.
> What do you actually purchase a licence or media?
>
> Apple make this far easier by not using serial numbers or activation.
> So simply put, you have to have an original disc otherwise it is  
> piracy.
>
> Simon
>
> On 8 May 2009, at 09:08, Peter Hunter wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I know this isn't strictly a Mac request, but I don't use any Windows
>> forums or list, so I hope someone here can help.
>>
>> I am upgrading a laptop for a friend (yes, I DO have one!). I have
>> increased the RAM to its max of 2Gb, and purchased a larger hard
>> drive. Although he purchased the laptop new he has lost the recovery
>> disc.
>>
>> There is a partition on the hard drive with the recovery files, but
>> according to the manufacturers information that I have, this still
>> needs the recovery disc.
>>
>> It is running Windows XP Home edition, and has a license certificate
>> on the bottom of the laptop, so I don't need a license number, just a
>> disc or copy of a disc. Nothing illegal or sinister requested.
>>
>> I have managed to download all the required drivers for this  
>> computer,
>> and burned them to disc ready to install once I have XP on the new
>> hard drive.
>>
>> So, if anyone can help I will be happy to collect or pay for postage,
>> as well as reimbursement/payment for the disc. Please contact me off
>> list if you can help, or on my Mobile ( 07983856097 ).
>>
>> Many thanks.
>>
>> Peter.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Fri May  8 10:11:28 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 10:11:28 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows XP Disc
In-Reply-To: <CE7CAD94-38FC-4D96-ABA1-907A7D56CDA5@ntlworld.com>
References: <8E18D617-48A7-49F7-B15F-557502C84A30@ntlworld.com>
	<64616C0F-F34A-4A0B-B2DC-FAA11A9705FE@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<CE7CAD94-38FC-4D96-ABA1-907A7D56CDA5@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <27A0DC55-3D20-4D09-AB29-DB1FE22D02E0@durrant.co.uk>

Apart from anything else, there's always the chance that any torrent  
of software has been hacked to introduce a virus/worm/back door*.

Windows is insecure enough as-is, There's no point risking installing  
Windows with malware already in it.

Paul


*This is how a Mac trojan was released early this year - inside a  
torrent of the iWorks '09 Trial.

On 8 May 2009, at 10:07, Peter Hunter wrote:

> My request is for a disc, nothing else.
>
> Sorry, I don't and won't use torrent.



From footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk  Fri May  8 11:01:29 2009
From: footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk (joe butler)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 10:01:29 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NMUG] Windows XP Disc
Message-ID: <122207.74953.qm@web26708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi
Im out of norwich until tomorrow, best to give me a call (07833774480) to sort out a good time.
Joe


Cheap and Free mobile phones
http://www.nimrod.2u.co.uk
?
Iphone and Ipod Insurance 
http://nimrod.2u.co.uk/insurance
?
Get your own FREE mobile phones sales website
http://nimrod.2uaffiliates.com/join/
?
?
?
?

--- On Fri, 8/5/09, Peter Hunter <p.hunter at ntlworld.com> wrote:


From: Peter Hunter <p.hunter at ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [NMUG] Windows XP Disc
To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Date: Friday, 8 May, 2009, 10:08 AM


Thanks Joe. It's the XP Home I need as this is what the license is for.

How can I get that from you?

Regards

Peter


On 8 May 2009, at 09:43, joe butler wrote:

> I have genuine xp pro disks and a copy of xp home more than happy to? 
> give a lend if needed.
> Joe
> 078 33 77 44 80
>
>
> Cheap and Free mobile phones
> http://www.nimrod.2u.co.uk
>
> Iphone and Ipod Insurance
> http://nimrod.2u.co.uk/insurance
>
> Get your own FREE mobile phones sales website
> http://nimrod.2uaffiliates.com/join/
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 8/5/09, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> From: Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Windows XP Disc
> To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Date: Friday, 8 May, 2009, 9:19 AM
>
>
> Peter
>
> I recently have had this problem with my wifes Vista laptop. It came
> with a recover disc, but I wanted to get rid off all the rubbish they
> pre-install.
>
> Like you, she owned a licence - as it her code printed on the bottom
> of her laptop - so it is just a case of media. I spoke to a friend of
> mine who works for a computer repairers about it and he has had a lot
> of customers needing a physical disc or a physical clean disc and not
> one of these bundled recovery discs and they have been supplying
> 'copies' of vista for them to use.
>
> If you know someone with an XP disc - just borrow theirs and use your
> code, alternatively you could always look on torrent sites for it -
> after all that is what they are uploaded for, for 'backup' purposes.
>
> I questioned the legallity of this? He replied saying it was perfectly
> above board. I know you can copy Windows discs for your own use - as
> long as you have the original disc and do not use it for other people,
> but does that stretch as far as obtaining a retail version and using
> it instead of a recovery/bundled disc - even with your own licence.
> What do you actually purchase a licence or media?
>
> Apple make this far easier by not using serial numbers or activation.
> So simply put, you have to have an original disc otherwise it is? 
> piracy.
>
> Simon
>
> On 8 May 2009, at 09:08, Peter Hunter wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I know this isn't strictly a Mac request, but I don't use any Windows
>> forums or list, so I hope someone here can help.
>>
>> I am upgrading a laptop for a friend (yes, I DO have one!). I have
>> increased the RAM to its max of 2Gb, and purchased a larger hard
>> drive. Although he purchased the laptop new he has lost the recovery
>> disc.
>>
>> There is a partition on the hard drive with the recovery files, but
>> according to the manufacturers information that I have, this still
>> needs the recovery disc.
>>
>> It is running Windows XP Home edition, and has a license certificate
>> on the bottom of the laptop, so I don't need a license number, just a
>> disc or copy of a disc. Nothing illegal or sinister requested.
>>
>> I have managed to download all the required drivers for this? 
>> computer,
>> and burned them to disc ready to install once I have XP on the new
>> hard drive.
>>
>> So, if anyone can help I will be happy to collect or pay for postage,
>> as well as reimbursement/payment for the disc. Please contact me off
>> list if you can help, or on my Mobile ( 07983856097 ).
>>
>> Many thanks.
>>
>> Peter.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

_______________________________________________
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri May  8 11:13:57 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 11:13:57 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows XP Disc
In-Reply-To: <122207.74953.qm@web26708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <122207.74953.qm@web26708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B3F26741-B084-4BAC-912A-F03B1CB248F9@simonroyal.co.uk>

Peter

I was merely offering some help and the fact that I had been in a  
similar situation.

Torrents might not be the best option, but if you were desperate -  
then sometimes it is your only option.

Simon

On 8 May 2009, at 11:01, joe butler wrote:

> Hi
> Im out of norwich until tomorrow, best to give me a call  
> (07833774480) to sort out a good time.
> Joe
>
>
> Cheap and Free mobile phones
> http://www.nimrod.2u.co.uk
>
> Iphone and Ipod Insurance
> http://nimrod.2u.co.uk/insurance
>
> Get your own FREE mobile phones sales website
> http://nimrod.2uaffiliates.com/join/
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 8/5/09, Peter Hunter <p.hunter at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Peter Hunter <p.hunter at ntlworld.com>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Windows XP Disc
> To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Date: Friday, 8 May, 2009, 10:08 AM
>
>
> Thanks Joe. It's the XP Home I need as this is what the license is  
> for.
>
> How can I get that from you?
>
> Regards
>
> Peter
>
>
> On 8 May 2009, at 09:43, joe butler wrote:
>
>> I have genuine xp pro disks and a copy of xp home more than happy to
>> give a lend if needed.
>> Joe
>> 078 33 77 44 80
>>
>>
>> Cheap and Free mobile phones
>> http://www.nimrod.2u.co.uk
>>
>> Iphone and Ipod Insurance
>> http://nimrod.2u.co.uk/insurance
>>
>> Get your own FREE mobile phones sales website
>> http://nimrod.2uaffiliates.com/join/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Fri, 8/5/09, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Windows XP Disc
>> To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>> Date: Friday, 8 May, 2009, 9:19 AM
>>
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> I recently have had this problem with my wifes Vista laptop. It came
>> with a recover disc, but I wanted to get rid off all the rubbish they
>> pre-install.
>>
>> Like you, she owned a licence - as it her code printed on the bottom
>> of her laptop - so it is just a case of media. I spoke to a friend of
>> mine who works for a computer repairers about it and he has had a lot
>> of customers needing a physical disc or a physical clean disc and not
>> one of these bundled recovery discs and they have been supplying
>> 'copies' of vista for them to use.
>>
>> If you know someone with an XP disc - just borrow theirs and use your
>> code, alternatively you could always look on torrent sites for it -
>> after all that is what they are uploaded for, for 'backup' purposes.
>>
>> I questioned the legallity of this? He replied saying it was  
>> perfectly
>> above board. I know you can copy Windows discs for your own use - as
>> long as you have the original disc and do not use it for other  
>> people,
>> but does that stretch as far as obtaining a retail version and using
>> it instead of a recovery/bundled disc - even with your own licence.
>> What do you actually purchase a licence or media?
>>
>> Apple make this far easier by not using serial numbers or activation.
>> So simply put, you have to have an original disc otherwise it is
>> piracy.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> On 8 May 2009, at 09:08, Peter Hunter wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I know this isn't strictly a Mac request, but I don't use any  
>>> Windows
>>> forums or list, so I hope someone here can help.
>>>
>>> I am upgrading a laptop for a friend (yes, I DO have one!). I have
>>> increased the RAM to its max of 2Gb, and purchased a larger hard
>>> drive. Although he purchased the laptop new he has lost the recovery
>>> disc.
>>>
>>> There is a partition on the hard drive with the recovery files, but
>>> according to the manufacturers information that I have, this still
>>> needs the recovery disc.
>>>
>>> It is running Windows XP Home edition, and has a license certificate
>>> on the bottom of the laptop, so I don't need a license number,  
>>> just a
>>> disc or copy of a disc. Nothing illegal or sinister requested.
>>>
>>> I have managed to download all the required drivers for this
>>> computer,
>>> and burned them to disc ready to install once I have XP on the new
>>> hard drive.
>>>
>>> So, if anyone can help I will be happy to collect or pay for  
>>> postage,
>>> as well as reimbursement/payment for the disc. Please contact me off
>>> list if you can help, or on my Mobile ( 07983856097 ).
>>>
>>> Many thanks.
>>>
>>> Peter.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Fri May  8 11:27:44 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 11:27:44 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows XP Disc
In-Reply-To: <27A0DC55-3D20-4D09-AB29-DB1FE22D02E0@durrant.co.uk>
References: <8E18D617-48A7-49F7-B15F-557502C84A30@ntlworld.com>	<64616C0F-F34A-4A0B-B2DC-FAA11A9705FE@simonroyal.co.uk>	<CE7CAD94-38FC-4D96-ABA1-907A7D56CDA5@ntlworld.com>
	<27A0DC55-3D20-4D09-AB29-DB1FE22D02E0@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A040920.3040404@stackyard.org>

Peter,

There is one big possible stumbling block in this and that is that not 
all distributions are the same.  If the key on the Certificate of 
Authority is for a volume distribution, a standard OEM CD will not 
work.  Actually, it will install but it will then not activate (don't 
you love it?).  As you are doing the installation on a new disk, try it 
and see.

Another possibility is to mirror the old disk onto the new one, although 
this requires the use of another machine and software to do it.  I'm not 
sure if MacOS can image an NTFS file system - never tried it.  I've 
always used a Windows machine to mess with Windows disk drives.  The 
recovery partition on the old drive is probably some version of FAT.  
Drive manufacturers make software available which can be used for 
duplicating disks but this is always Windows-based.

You don't mention the manufacturer of the laptop.  If it's a volume 
distro, you might be able to get a CD from them although they vary 
hugely in how easy they are to deal with.  How big is the recovery 
partition on the old disk?  If it's a few Gb than it probably has a full 
distribution on it and may not need a CD as well.

Anyway, I can burn you a CD if necessary but I see Joe is on the case.  
Best of luck.

Ken

Paul Durrant wrote:
> Apart from anything else, there's always the chance that any torrent  
> of software has been hacked to introduce a virus/worm/back door*.
>
> Windows is insecure enough as-is, There's no point risking installing  
> Windows with malware already in it.
>
> Paul
>
>
> *This is how a Mac trojan was released early this year - inside a  
> torrent of the iWorks '09 Trial.
>
> On 8 May 2009, at 10:07, Peter Hunter wrote:
>
>   
>> My request is for a disc, nothing else.
>>
>> Sorry, I don't and won't use torrent.
>>     
>
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From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Fri May  8 11:38:38 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 11:38:38 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] t:  Windows XP Disc
In-Reply-To: <mailman.701.1241773749.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.701.1241773749.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <358EF78E-AFE1-4A94-BEA8-1BDBFFF4C393@gmail.com>


On 8 May 2009, at 10:09, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:

> From: Peter Hunter <p.hunter at ntlworld.com>
> Subject: [NMUG] Windows XP Disc
>
>
>
> It is running Windows XP Home edition, and has a license certificate
> on the bottom of the laptop, so I don't need a license number, just a
> disc or copy of a disc. Nothing illegal or sinister requested.


I have an original XP install disk. Email me if you want to borrow it.  
Located Thorpe Road Norwich

From jeremyknight at mac.com  Fri May  8 12:52:04 2009
From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 12:52:04 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Diskwarrior some good news some bad news!
In-Reply-To: <50EFC628-B63B-4602-958B-90502E33FB81@f2s.com>
References: <C6289143.29890%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
	<D56C1B8F-E3C1-41D7-8C86-B2797467EB2F@mac.com>
	<50EFC628-B63B-4602-958B-90502E33FB81@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <00435CE5-2340-4947-97ED-FA07235C8DC8@mac.com>


well,
Diskwarrior arrived and after two goes I managed to get the computer  
to install.
Rather worryingly it opened on the welcome video.
It than asked me to register and verify the admin password(the one I  
know is right because in the hint it repeats it).So it then moves to  
new account  which after being set up it also rejects.
any ideas  please?
  jeremy




From Interjay2 at btinternet.com  Fri May  8 12:56:44 2009
From: Interjay2 at btinternet.com (Peter James)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 12:56:44 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] t:  Windows XP Disc
References: <mailman.701.1241773749.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<358EF78E-AFE1-4A94-BEA8-1BDBFFF4C393@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A6285436B1694736A47DE93AD197BAEA@fujitsu>

As far as I know, the Licence Key must match the software .
i.e., having the licence key for the laptop is of no use if you install XP 
from a different disc.
PJ

PJ

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "stefan youngs" <stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com>
To: <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 11:38 AM
Subject: [NMUG] t: Windows XP Disc


>
> On 8 May 2009, at 10:09, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:
>
>> From: Peter Hunter <p.hunter at ntlworld.com>
>> Subject: [NMUG] Windows XP Disc
>>
>>
>>
>> It is running Windows XP Home edition, and has a license certificate
>> on the bottom of the laptop, so I don't need a license number, just a
>> disc or copy of a disc. Nothing illegal or sinister requested.
>
>
> I have an original XP install disk. Email me if you want to borrow it.
> Located Thorpe Road Norwich
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Fri May  8 13:26:34 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 13:26:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Diskwarrior some good news some bad news!
In-Reply-To: <00435CE5-2340-4947-97ED-FA07235C8DC8@mac.com>
References: <C6289143.29890%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
	<D56C1B8F-E3C1-41D7-8C86-B2797467EB2F@mac.com>
	<50EFC628-B63B-4602-958B-90502E33FB81@f2s.com>
	<00435CE5-2340-4947-97ED-FA07235C8DC8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <0B384E2C-2A8A-4D41-8E88-ABEBD04468FC@durrant.co.uk>

What do you mean "get the computer to install"? You should not install  
DiskWarrior on your troublesome hard disk - just run it from the DVD.

If that's what you did, it now sounds like there was sufficient  
corruption that DiskWarrior couldn't fix everything. But it does sound  
like you should now be able to put your Mac Mini in firewire mode,  
connect to your imac, and the disk should mount, allowing you to copy  
off any data you can find that's only on that disk.

Then I might try to reformat the Mac Mini's disk and re-install the  
system software, but I'd also be tempted to just replace it. Hard  
disks are cheap.

Paul

On 8 May 2009, at 12:52, jeremy knight wrote:

>
> well,
> Diskwarrior arrived and after two goes I managed to get the computer
> to install.
> Rather worryingly it opened on the welcome video.
> It than asked me to register and verify the admin password(the one I
> know is right because in the hint it repeats it).So it then moves to
> new account  which after being set up it also rejects.
> any ideas  please?


From jeremyknight at mac.com  Fri May  8 13:33:09 2009
From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 13:33:09 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Diskwarrior some good news some bad news!
In-Reply-To: <0B384E2C-2A8A-4D41-8E88-ABEBD04468FC@durrant.co.uk>
References: <C6289143.29890%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
	<D56C1B8F-E3C1-41D7-8C86-B2797467EB2F@mac.com>
	<50EFC628-B63B-4602-958B-90502E33FB81@f2s.com>
	<00435CE5-2340-4947-97ED-FA07235C8DC8@mac.com>
	<0B384E2C-2A8A-4D41-8E88-ABEBD04468FC@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <56E74E8C-6DF3-4F2D-B919-21411FA996F9@mac.com>

HI Paul,
Sorry wrong terminology.
The computer booted up fine ( not from the cd)
It was the password it would not accept.
  I have since run Disk utiley from the install disc
and Have  "No valid pacakages"
On the mac site it recommends reinstalling the software but I am  
concerned this will wipe everything.
wilii it?

jeremy
On 8 May 2009, at 13:26, Paul Durrant wrote:

> What do you mean "get the computer to install"? You should not install
> DiskWarrior on your troublesome hard disk - just run it from the DVD.
>
> If that's what you did, it now sounds like there was sufficient
> corruption that DiskWarrior couldn't fix everything. But it does sound
> like you should now be able to put your Mac Mini in firewire mode,
> connect to your imac, and the disk should mount, allowing you to copy
> off any data you can find that's only on that disk.
>
> Then I might try to reformat the Mac Mini's disk and re-install the
> system software, but I'd also be tempted to just replace it. Hard
> disks are cheap.
>
> Paul
>
> On 8 May 2009, at 12:52, jeremy knight wrote:
>
>>
>> well,
>> Diskwarrior arrived and after two goes I managed to get the computer
>> to install.
>> Rather worryingly it opened on the welcome video.
>> It than asked me to register and verify the admin password(the one I
>> know is right because in the hint it repeats it).So it then moves to
>> new account  which after being set up it also rejects.
>> any ideas  please?
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Fri May  8 13:42:53 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 13:42:53 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Diskwarrior some good news some bad news!
In-Reply-To: <56E74E8C-6DF3-4F2D-B919-21411FA996F9@mac.com>
References: <C6289143.29890%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
	<D56C1B8F-E3C1-41D7-8C86-B2797467EB2F@mac.com>
	<50EFC628-B63B-4602-958B-90502E33FB81@f2s.com>
	<00435CE5-2340-4947-97ED-FA07235C8DC8@mac.com>
	<0B384E2C-2A8A-4D41-8E88-ABEBD04468FC@durrant.co.uk>
	<56E74E8C-6DF3-4F2D-B919-21411FA996F9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <99D3B9CA-748D-467B-83F2-ADD0A2ECE501@durrant.co.uk>

Jeremy,

The most important thing to do now is to make a copy of any data on  
the disk that you don't already have elsewhere. Get that done before  
doing anything else. I suggest the firewire target mode connected to  
your iMac approach as the simplest and fastest.

When you have done that, and only then, consider what to do next.

It seems obvious that the System Software on your Mac Mini is  
hopelessly corrupt. It needs to be replaced. You can do that without  
wiping the disk. Just install the software without reformating the  
disk first. You might need to select "Archive and Install" if it  
detects the remains of the old system software - this is also safe.

The Mac Mini might then reboot normally. But you can't be sure what  
other files have been affected - Applictions other than system  
application (e.g. Textedit) might still be corrupt.

My preference would be (apart from replacing the disk completely) (and  
AFTER having copied off all user data that you need to keep) to  
reformat the disk. I'd suggest checking the "low level" checkbox when  
doing this, as this should turn up any physical problems on the disk,  
but will take hours.

Then, if it reformats successfully, you can reinstall the system  
software, applications, and copy back any user data.

regards,

Paul



On 8 May 2009, at 13:33, jeremy knight wrote:

> HI Paul,
> Sorry wrong terminology.
> The computer booted up fine ( not from the cd)
> It was the password it would not accept.
>  I have since run Disk utiley from the install disc
> and Have  "No valid pacakages"
> On the mac site it recommends reinstalling the software but I am
> concerned this will wipe everything.
> wilii it?
>
> jeremy
> On 8 May 2009, at 13:26, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
>> What do you mean "get the computer to install"? You should not  
>> install
>> DiskWarrior on your troublesome hard disk - just run it from the DVD.
>>
>> If that's what you did, it now sounds like there was sufficient
>> corruption that DiskWarrior couldn't fix everything. But it does  
>> sound
>> like you should now be able to put your Mac Mini in firewire mode,
>> connect to your imac, and the disk should mount, allowing you to copy
>> off any data you can find that's only on that disk.
>>
>> Then I might try to reformat the Mac Mini's disk and re-install the
>> system software, but I'd also be tempted to just replace it. Hard
>> disks are cheap.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On 8 May 2009, at 12:52, jeremy knight wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> well,
>>> Diskwarrior arrived and after two goes I managed to get the computer
>>> to install.
>>> Rather worryingly it opened on the welcome video.
>>> It than asked me to register and verify the admin password(the one I
>>> know is right because in the hint it repeats it).So it then moves to
>>> new account  which after being set up it also rejects.
>>> any ideas  please?
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



From jeremyknight at mac.com  Fri May  8 13:47:48 2009
From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 13:47:48 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Diskwarrior some good news some bad news!
In-Reply-To: <99D3B9CA-748D-467B-83F2-ADD0A2ECE501@durrant.co.uk>
References: <C6289143.29890%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
	<D56C1B8F-E3C1-41D7-8C86-B2797467EB2F@mac.com>
	<50EFC628-B63B-4602-958B-90502E33FB81@f2s.com>
	<00435CE5-2340-4947-97ED-FA07235C8DC8@mac.com>
	<0B384E2C-2A8A-4D41-8E88-ABEBD04468FC@durrant.co.uk>
	<56E74E8C-6DF3-4F2D-B919-21411FA996F9@mac.com>
	<99D3B9CA-748D-467B-83F2-ADD0A2ECE501@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <13481533-F452-4CD9-8F06-5E2E32AF8B8C@mac.com>

thanks Paul.
  that looks good.
My imac has Firewire 800 and the mini just firewire so I have ordered  
a cable.
When I copy the contents,how will I open them if they are password  
protected or is that just the admin?
jeremy
On 8 May 2009, at 13:42, Paul Durrant wrote:

> Jeremy,
>
> The most important thing to do now is to make a copy of any data on
> the disk that you don't already have elsewhere. Get that done before
> doing anything else. I suggest the firewire target mode connected to
> your iMac approach as the simplest and fastest.
>
> When you have done that, and only then, consider what to do next.
>
> It seems obvious that the System Software on your Mac Mini is
> hopelessly corrupt. It needs to be replaced. You can do that without
> wiping the disk. Just install the software without reformating the
> disk first. You might need to select "Archive and Install" if it
> detects the remains of the old system software - this is also safe.
>
> The Mac Mini might then reboot normally. But you can't be sure what
> other files have been affected - Applictions other than system
> application (e.g. Textedit) might still be corrupt.
>
> My preference would be (apart from replacing the disk completely) (and
> AFTER having copied off all user data that you need to keep) to
> reformat the disk. I'd suggest checking the "low level" checkbox when
> doing this, as this should turn up any physical problems on the disk,
> but will take hours.
>
> Then, if it reformats successfully, you can reinstall the system
> software, applications, and copy back any user data.
>
> regards,
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> On 8 May 2009, at 13:33, jeremy knight wrote:
>
>> HI Paul,
>> Sorry wrong terminology.
>> The computer booted up fine ( not from the cd)
>> It was the password it would not accept.
>> I have since run Disk utiley from the install disc
>> and Have  "No valid pacakages"
>> On the mac site it recommends reinstalling the software but I am
>> concerned this will wipe everything.
>> wilii it?
>>
>> jeremy
>> On 8 May 2009, at 13:26, Paul Durrant wrote:
>>
>>> What do you mean "get the computer to install"? You should not
>>> install
>>> DiskWarrior on your troublesome hard disk - just run it from the  
>>> DVD.
>>>
>>> If that's what you did, it now sounds like there was sufficient
>>> corruption that DiskWarrior couldn't fix everything. But it does
>>> sound
>>> like you should now be able to put your Mac Mini in firewire mode,
>>> connect to your imac, and the disk should mount, allowing you to  
>>> copy
>>> off any data you can find that's only on that disk.
>>>
>>> Then I might try to reformat the Mac Mini's disk and re-install the
>>> system software, but I'd also be tempted to just replace it. Hard
>>> disks are cheap.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> On 8 May 2009, at 12:52, jeremy knight wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> well,
>>>> Diskwarrior arrived and after two goes I managed to get the  
>>>> computer
>>>> to install.
>>>> Rather worryingly it opened on the welcome video.
>>>> It than asked me to register and verify the admin password(the  
>>>> one I
>>>> know is right because in the hint it repeats it).So it then moves  
>>>> to
>>>> new account  which after being set up it also rejects.
>>>> any ideas  please?
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Fri May  8 14:00:25 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 14:00:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] t:  Windows XP Disc
In-Reply-To: <A6285436B1694736A47DE93AD197BAEA@fujitsu>
References: <mailman.701.1241773749.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>	<358EF78E-AFE1-4A94-BEA8-1BDBFFF4C393@gmail.com>
	<A6285436B1694736A47DE93AD197BAEA@fujitsu>
Message-ID: <4A042CE9.60801@stackyard.org>

Sort of.  As long as it's an OEM key, any OEM disk (same version of 
course - Home, Pro, Media Center) will work OK.  I've not tried 
installing a volume license installation from anything other than the 
manufacturer's CD or recovery partition.  I've tried using a volume 
license key on an OEM installation and it won't activate.  Using the 
wrong version of software, i.e. Home CD with a Pro key will usually fail 
at the point in the installation when the key is entered.

Peter James wrote:
> As far as I know, the Licence Key must match the software .
> i.e., having the licence key for the laptop is of no use if you install XP 
> from a different disc.
> PJ
>
> PJ
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "stefan youngs" <stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com>
> To: <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 11:38 AM
> Subject: [NMUG] t: Windows XP Disc
>
>
>   
>> On 8 May 2009, at 10:09, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> From: Peter Hunter <p.hunter at ntlworld.com>
>>> Subject: [NMUG] Windows XP Disc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It is running Windows XP Home edition, and has a license certificate
>>> on the bottom of the laptop, so I don't need a license number, just a
>>> disc or copy of a disc. Nothing illegal or sinister requested.
>>>       
>> I have an original XP install disk. Email me if you want to borrow it.
>> Located Thorpe Road Norwich
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>     
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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> 06:34:00
>
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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Fri May  8 14:27:30 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 14:27:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Diskwarrior some good news some bad news!
In-Reply-To: <13481533-F452-4CD9-8F06-5E2E32AF8B8C@mac.com>
References: <C6289143.29890%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
	<D56C1B8F-E3C1-41D7-8C86-B2797467EB2F@mac.com>
	<50EFC628-B63B-4602-958B-90502E33FB81@f2s.com>
	<00435CE5-2340-4947-97ED-FA07235C8DC8@mac.com>
	<0B384E2C-2A8A-4D41-8E88-ABEBD04468FC@durrant.co.uk>
	<56E74E8C-6DF3-4F2D-B919-21411FA996F9@mac.com>
	<99D3B9CA-748D-467B-83F2-ADD0A2ECE501@durrant.co.uk>
	<13481533-F452-4CD9-8F06-5E2E32AF8B8C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F4866974-6FDC-46A2-B7B0-77540B6A80CA@durrant.co.uk>

You should have no problems with permissions - if you do you can check  
the "Ignore Ownership on the volume" checkbox in the Get Info dialog.  
(down in the Sharing & Permissions section)

Unless you've appplied some kind of third-party password protection -  
in which case read their documentation.

Paul

On 8 May 2009, at 13:47, jeremy knight wrote:

> thanks Paul.
>  that looks good.
> My imac has Firewire 800 and the mini just firewire so I have ordered
> a cable.
> When I copy the contents,how will I open them if they are password
> protected or is that just the admin?
> jeremy
> On 8 May 2009, at 13:42, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
>> Jeremy,
>>
>> The most important thing to do now is to make a copy of any data on
>> the disk that you don't already have elsewhere. Get that done before
>> doing anything else. I suggest the firewire target mode connected to
>> your iMac approach as the simplest and fastest.
>>
>> When you have done that, and only then, consider what to do next.
>>
>> It seems obvious that the System Software on your Mac Mini is
>> hopelessly corrupt. It needs to be replaced. You can do that without
>> wiping the disk. Just install the software without reformating the
>> disk first. You might need to select "Archive and Install" if it
>> detects the remains of the old system software - this is also safe.
>>
>> The Mac Mini might then reboot normally. But you can't be sure what
>> other files have been affected - Applictions other than system
>> application (e.g. Textedit) might still be corrupt.
>>
>> My preference would be (apart from replacing the disk completely)  
>> (and
>> AFTER having copied off all user data that you need to keep) to
>> reformat the disk. I'd suggest checking the "low level" checkbox when
>> doing this, as this should turn up any physical problems on the disk,
>> but will take hours.
>>
>> Then, if it reformats successfully, you can reinstall the system
>> software, applications, and copy back any user data.
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8 May 2009, at 13:33, jeremy knight wrote:
>>
>>> HI Paul,
>>> Sorry wrong terminology.
>>> The computer booted up fine ( not from the cd)
>>> It was the password it would not accept.
>>> I have since run Disk utiley from the install disc
>>> and Have  "No valid pacakages"
>>> On the mac site it recommends reinstalling the software but I am
>>> concerned this will wipe everything.
>>> wilii it?
>>>
>>> jeremy
>>> On 8 May 2009, at 13:26, Paul Durrant wrote:
>>>
>>>> What do you mean "get the computer to install"? You should not
>>>> install
>>>> DiskWarrior on your troublesome hard disk - just run it from the
>>>> DVD.
>>>>
>>>> If that's what you did, it now sounds like there was sufficient
>>>> corruption that DiskWarrior couldn't fix everything. But it does
>>>> sound
>>>> like you should now be able to put your Mac Mini in firewire mode,
>>>> connect to your imac, and the disk should mount, allowing you to
>>>> copy
>>>> off any data you can find that's only on that disk.
>>>>
>>>> Then I might try to reformat the Mac Mini's disk and re-install the
>>>> system software, but I'd also be tempted to just replace it. Hard
>>>> disks are cheap.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> On 8 May 2009, at 12:52, jeremy knight wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> well,
>>>>> Diskwarrior arrived and after two goes I managed to get the
>>>>> computer
>>>>> to install.
>>>>> Rather worryingly it opened on the welcome video.
>>>>> It than asked me to register and verify the admin password(the
>>>>> one I
>>>>> know is right because in the hint it repeats it).So it then moves
>>>>> to
>>>>> new account  which after being set up it also rejects.
>>>>> any ideas  please?
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
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From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Fri May  8 14:41:58 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 14:41:58 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Installing XP
In-Reply-To: <mailman.708.1241789253.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.708.1241789253.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <9D300381-6E3A-41EE-AB89-6F9287857A7F@gmail.com>


On 8 May 2009, at 14:27, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:

> rom: "Peter James" <Interjay2 at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] t:  Windows XP Disc
>
>
> As far as I know, the Licence Key must match the software .
> i.e., having the licence key for the laptop is of no use if you  
> install XP
> from a different disc.
> PJ


I don't think this is right.

XP instals from a DVD that doesn't itself contain a key

The computer doesn't contain a key

During the install you are asked to input a valid key which is on the  
packaging for the DVD OR on a Microsuck label someone stuck on the PC.

Either way, so long as this key is not already registered, then XP  
should work (if that's the right word to describe its fatuous... but I  
wont go off into a rant again).

If I am wrong on this, DO tell me.. it will add to my rant routine

From jeremyknight at mac.com  Fri May  8 14:46:56 2009
From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 14:46:56 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Diskwarrior some good news some bad news!
In-Reply-To: <F4866974-6FDC-46A2-B7B0-77540B6A80CA@durrant.co.uk>
References: <C6289143.29890%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
	<D56C1B8F-E3C1-41D7-8C86-B2797467EB2F@mac.com>
	<50EFC628-B63B-4602-958B-90502E33FB81@f2s.com>
	<00435CE5-2340-4947-97ED-FA07235C8DC8@mac.com>
	<0B384E2C-2A8A-4D41-8E88-ABEBD04468FC@durrant.co.uk>
	<56E74E8C-6DF3-4F2D-B919-21411FA996F9@mac.com>
	<99D3B9CA-748D-467B-83F2-ADD0A2ECE501@durrant.co.uk>
	<13481533-F452-4CD9-8F06-5E2E32AF8B8C@mac.com>
	<F4866974-6FDC-46A2-B7B0-77540B6A80CA@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <2F64CA47-9482-4341-8A0F-4EBA4FECF7E1@mac.com>

~Thanks paul no I haven't applied any security.
I do find mobileme intensely irritating.
I have uploaded some pictures to Mobileme for ebay but I cannot get  
the link to work any suggestions?
jeremy

On 8 May 2009, at 14:27, Paul Durrant wrote:

> You should have no problems with permissions - if you do you can check
> the "Ignore Ownership on the volume" checkbox in the Get Info dialog.
> (down in the Sharing & Permissions section)
>
> Unless you've appplied some kind of third-party password protection -
> in which case read their documentation.
>
> Paul
>
> On 8 May 2009, at 13:47, jeremy knight wrote:
>
>> thanks Paul.
>> that looks good.
>> My imac has Firewire 800 and the mini just firewire so I have ordered
>> a cable.
>> When I copy the contents,how will I open them if they are password
>> protected or is that just the admin?
>> jeremy
>> On 8 May 2009, at 13:42, Paul Durrant wrote:
>>
>>> Jeremy,
>>>
>>> The most important thing to do now is to make a copy of any data on
>>> the disk that you don't already have elsewhere. Get that done before
>>> doing anything else. I suggest the firewire target mode connected to
>>> your iMac approach as the simplest and fastest.
>>>
>>> When you have done that, and only then, consider what to do next.
>>>
>>> It seems obvious that the System Software on your Mac Mini is
>>> hopelessly corrupt. It needs to be replaced. You can do that without
>>> wiping the disk. Just install the software without reformating the
>>> disk first. You might need to select "Archive and Install" if it
>>> detects the remains of the old system software - this is also safe.
>>>
>>> The Mac Mini might then reboot normally. But you can't be sure what
>>> other files have been affected - Applictions other than system
>>> application (e.g. Textedit) might still be corrupt.
>>>
>>> My preference would be (apart from replacing the disk completely)
>>> (and
>>> AFTER having copied off all user data that you need to keep) to
>>> reformat the disk. I'd suggest checking the "low level" checkbox  
>>> when
>>> doing this, as this should turn up any physical problems on the  
>>> disk,
>>> but will take hours.
>>>
>>> Then, if it reformats successfully, you can reinstall the system
>>> software, applications, and copy back any user data.
>>>
>>> regards,
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8 May 2009, at 13:33, jeremy knight wrote:
>>>
>>>> HI Paul,
>>>> Sorry wrong terminology.
>>>> The computer booted up fine ( not from the cd)
>>>> It was the password it would not accept.
>>>> I have since run Disk utiley from the install disc
>>>> and Have  "No valid pacakages"
>>>> On the mac site it recommends reinstalling the software but I am
>>>> concerned this will wipe everything.
>>>> wilii it?
>>>>
>>>> jeremy
>>>> On 8 May 2009, at 13:26, Paul Durrant wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What do you mean "get the computer to install"? You should not
>>>>> install
>>>>> DiskWarrior on your troublesome hard disk - just run it from the
>>>>> DVD.
>>>>>
>>>>> If that's what you did, it now sounds like there was sufficient
>>>>> corruption that DiskWarrior couldn't fix everything. But it does
>>>>> sound
>>>>> like you should now be able to put your Mac Mini in firewire mode,
>>>>> connect to your imac, and the disk should mount, allowing you to
>>>>> copy
>>>>> off any data you can find that's only on that disk.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then I might try to reformat the Mac Mini's disk and re-install  
>>>>> the
>>>>> system software, but I'd also be tempted to just replace it. Hard
>>>>> disks are cheap.
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8 May 2009, at 12:52, jeremy knight wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> well,
>>>>>> Diskwarrior arrived and after two goes I managed to get the
>>>>>> computer
>>>>>> to install.
>>>>>> Rather worryingly it opened on the welcome video.
>>>>>> It than asked me to register and verify the admin password(the
>>>>>> one I
>>>>>> know is right because in the hint it repeats it).So it then moves
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> new account  which after being set up it also rejects.
>>>>>> any ideas  please?
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri May  8 14:47:42 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 14:47:42 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Installing XP
In-Reply-To: <9D300381-6E3A-41EE-AB89-6F9287857A7F@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.708.1241789253.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<9D300381-6E3A-41EE-AB89-6F9287857A7F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <820A8511-4748-4F4C-9E1C-1D78F8E11C08@simonroyal.co.uk>

Stefan

Windows does have some sort of code built into the installation discs.

It means an XP Home code won't work with XP Pro. Even a Windows 2000  
code will not work with Windows 2000 SP1 disc.

And OEM codes are different, they usually are XXX-XXX-OEM-XXX, whereas  
retail codes are XXX-XXX-XXX-XXX and the installer disc knows which  
one type it needs.

Also these discs seem to be regionalised in some way. The code on a  
Windows 98SE disc from Canada will not work Windows 98SE disc from  
England.

I hope that makes sense.

Simon

On 8 May 2009, at 14:41, stefan youngs wrote:

>
> On 8 May 2009, at 14:27, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:
>
>> rom: "Peter James" <Interjay2 at btinternet.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] t:  Windows XP Disc
>>
>>
>> As far as I know, the Licence Key must match the software .
>> i.e., having the licence key for the laptop is of no use if you
>> install XP
>> from a different disc.
>> PJ
>
>
> I don't think this is right.
>
> XP instals from a DVD that doesn't itself contain a key
>
> The computer doesn't contain a key
>
> During the install you are asked to input a valid key which is on the
> packaging for the DVD OR on a Microsuck label someone stuck on the PC.
>
> Either way, so long as this key is not already registered, then XP
> should work (if that's the right word to describe its fatuous... but I
> wont go off into a rant again).
>
> If I am wrong on this, DO tell me.. it will add to my rant routine
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri May  8 14:50:09 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 14:50:09 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Installing XP
In-Reply-To: <9D300381-6E3A-41EE-AB89-6F9287857A7F@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.708.1241789253.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<9D300381-6E3A-41EE-AB89-6F9287857A7F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <90D03763-303C-43F8-8620-ED8B62EB62EF@simonroyal.co.uk>

Stefan

So obtaining a disc and using your own key is a hit and miss affair.

I have had it work on occasions and not on others, especially if the  
said disc is from a torrent or borrowed from someone else.

Some versions of Windows are more picky than others. Windows XP is not  
particularly picky, but earlier ones like Windows 98SE are very picky.

Simon

On 8 May 2009, at 14:41, stefan youngs wrote:

>
> On 8 May 2009, at 14:27, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:
>
>> rom: "Peter James" <Interjay2 at btinternet.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] t:  Windows XP Disc
>>
>>
>> As far as I know, the Licence Key must match the software .
>> i.e., having the licence key for the laptop is of no use if you
>> install XP
>> from a different disc.
>> PJ
>
>
> I don't think this is right.
>
> XP instals from a DVD that doesn't itself contain a key
>
> The computer doesn't contain a key
>
> During the install you are asked to input a valid key which is on the
> packaging for the DVD OR on a Microsuck label someone stuck on the PC.
>
> Either way, so long as this key is not already registered, then XP
> should work (if that's the right word to describe its fatuous... but I
> wont go off into a rant again).
>
> If I am wrong on this, DO tell me.. it will add to my rant routine
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From jinshinjewels at googlemail.com  Fri May  8 15:06:48 2009
From: jinshinjewels at googlemail.com (Jules Slaughter)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 15:06:48 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ISP
In-Reply-To: <92F4E81A-D543-4CF9-913C-3311A87E71FC@mendelsohn.me.uk>
References: <92F4E81A-D543-4CF9-913C-3311A87E71FC@mendelsohn.me.uk>
Message-ID: <adb0e98a0905080706h22741591ud13a59f4c4d230d9@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Phyll & Ed

Yes I switched to BT at Xmas for ?10 p.m. but there is interference on
the phone line if I have the answer machine & phone through the Hub.
BT Broadband cleared the noise but when asked why I couldn't get
1471/1571 messages they referred me to phone people who, of course,
referred me b ack to broadband people.  At which point I lost my cool
- very bad news for a yoga teacher.....  I wrote to complain to
complaints, who rang me about 3 times and left a message but no number
to call them back on.  So they said as I hadn't called them back the
file was closed!

I now have the interference back and have been meaning to call again
but I've got used to unplugging the hub and plugging phone and
answermachine back into wall.  I can't get the answermachine to work
through the hub and as a small business I really want an answer
machine.  I think they charge you to cancel but I have to look into
that.

Otherwise its good to be able to phone an 0800 number but I can't get
a response!!

Jules




On 5/7/09, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn <ed at mendelsohn.me.uk> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
>  Our current ISP is F2s - at a cost of ?14.99 per month. Their Mac
>  support (used infrequently) has been very good but over the past year
>  or so their servers have been down several times, once for a few days.
>
>  We are thinking of changing providers - does anyone have any views/
>  experience with BT Broadband? We can get the first 3 months free and
>  then the cost would be ?15.65 per month. We are not heavy users - the
>  maximum is about  8000 MBytes per month(inbound and outbound).
>  Occasionally this has gone higher, often it is far less.
>
>  Thanks
>
>  Phyll and Ed
>  _______________________________________________
>  NMUG mailing list
>  NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>  http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>


-- 
Jules

CalmClasses & Therapies
to improve your health.

My business works on referrals.
If you like what I do, please tell others.
If not, please tell me.


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Fri May  8 15:33:02 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 15:33:02 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Diskwarrior some good news some bad news!
In-Reply-To: <2F64CA47-9482-4341-8A0F-4EBA4FECF7E1@mac.com>
References: <C6289143.29890%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
	<D56C1B8F-E3C1-41D7-8C86-B2797467EB2F@mac.com>
	<50EFC628-B63B-4602-958B-90502E33FB81@f2s.com>
	<00435CE5-2340-4947-97ED-FA07235C8DC8@mac.com>
	<0B384E2C-2A8A-4D41-8E88-ABEBD04468FC@durrant.co.uk>
	<56E74E8C-6DF3-4F2D-B919-21411FA996F9@mac.com>
	<99D3B9CA-748D-467B-83F2-ADD0A2ECE501@durrant.co.uk>
	<13481533-F452-4CD9-8F06-5E2E32AF8B8C@mac.com>
	<F4866974-6FDC-46A2-B7B0-77540B6A80CA@durrant.co.uk>
	<2F64CA47-9482-4341-8A0F-4EBA4FECF7E1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <0CA41667-AE67-435E-8759-B0B501DC8AED@durrant.co.uk>

Ask the group with a new subject line about ebay and mobileme

Paul

On 8 May 2009, at 14:46, jeremy knight wrote:

> ~Thanks paul no I haven't applied any security.
> I do find mobileme intensely irritating.
> I have uploaded some pictures to Mobileme for ebay but I cannot get
> the link to work any suggestions?
> jeremy
>
> On 8 May 2009, at 14:27, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
>> You should have no problems with permissions - if you do you can  
>> check
>> the "Ignore Ownership on the volume" checkbox in the Get Info dialog.
>> (down in the Sharing & Permissions section)
>>
>> Unless you've appplied some kind of third-party password protection -
>> in which case read their documentation.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On 8 May 2009, at 13:47, jeremy knight wrote:
>>
>>> thanks Paul.
>>> that looks good.
>>> My imac has Firewire 800 and the mini just firewire so I have  
>>> ordered
>>> a cable.
>>> When I copy the contents,how will I open them if they are password
>>> protected or is that just the admin?
>>> jeremy
>>> On 8 May 2009, at 13:42, Paul Durrant wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jeremy,
>>>>
>>>> The most important thing to do now is to make a copy of any data on
>>>> the disk that you don't already have elsewhere. Get that done  
>>>> before
>>>> doing anything else. I suggest the firewire target mode connected  
>>>> to
>>>> your iMac approach as the simplest and fastest.
>>>>
>>>> When you have done that, and only then, consider what to do next.
>>>>
>>>> It seems obvious that the System Software on your Mac Mini is
>>>> hopelessly corrupt. It needs to be replaced. You can do that  
>>>> without
>>>> wiping the disk. Just install the software without reformating the
>>>> disk first. You might need to select "Archive and Install" if it
>>>> detects the remains of the old system software - this is also safe.
>>>>
>>>> The Mac Mini might then reboot normally. But you can't be sure what
>>>> other files have been affected - Applictions other than system
>>>> application (e.g. Textedit) might still be corrupt.
>>>>
>>>> My preference would be (apart from replacing the disk completely)
>>>> (and
>>>> AFTER having copied off all user data that you need to keep) to
>>>> reformat the disk. I'd suggest checking the "low level" checkbox
>>>> when
>>>> doing this, as this should turn up any physical problems on the
>>>> disk,
>>>> but will take hours.
>>>>
>>>> Then, if it reformats successfully, you can reinstall the system
>>>> software, applications, and copy back any user data.
>>>>
>>>> regards,
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8 May 2009, at 13:33, jeremy knight wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> HI Paul,
>>>>> Sorry wrong terminology.
>>>>> The computer booted up fine ( not from the cd)
>>>>> It was the password it would not accept.
>>>>> I have since run Disk utiley from the install disc
>>>>> and Have  "No valid pacakages"
>>>>> On the mac site it recommends reinstalling the software but I am
>>>>> concerned this will wipe everything.
>>>>> wilii it?
>>>>>
>>>>> jeremy
>>>>> On 8 May 2009, at 13:26, Paul Durrant wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you mean "get the computer to install"? You should not
>>>>>> install
>>>>>> DiskWarrior on your troublesome hard disk - just run it from the
>>>>>> DVD.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If that's what you did, it now sounds like there was sufficient
>>>>>> corruption that DiskWarrior couldn't fix everything. But it does
>>>>>> sound
>>>>>> like you should now be able to put your Mac Mini in firewire  
>>>>>> mode,
>>>>>> connect to your imac, and the disk should mount, allowing you to
>>>>>> copy
>>>>>> off any data you can find that's only on that disk.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then I might try to reformat the Mac Mini's disk and re-install
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> system software, but I'd also be tempted to just replace it. Hard
>>>>>> disks are cheap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8 May 2009, at 12:52, jeremy knight wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> well,
>>>>>>> Diskwarrior arrived and after two goes I managed to get the
>>>>>>> computer
>>>>>>> to install.
>>>>>>> Rather worryingly it opened on the welcome video.
>>>>>>> It than asked me to register and verify the admin password(the
>>>>>>> one I
>>>>>>> know is right because in the hint it repeats it).So it then  
>>>>>>> moves
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> new account  which after being set up it also rejects.
>>>>>>> any ideas  please?
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



From jeremyknight at mac.com  Fri May  8 16:59:12 2009
From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 16:59:12 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iweb A waste of space?
In-Reply-To: <2F64CA47-9482-4341-8A0F-4EBA4FECF7E1@mac.com>
References: <C6289143.29890%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
	<D56C1B8F-E3C1-41D7-8C86-B2797467EB2F@mac.com>
	<50EFC628-B63B-4602-958B-90502E33FB81@f2s.com>
	<00435CE5-2340-4947-97ED-FA07235C8DC8@mac.com>
	<0B384E2C-2A8A-4D41-8E88-ABEBD04468FC@durrant.co.uk>
	<56E74E8C-6DF3-4F2D-B919-21411FA996F9@mac.com>
	<99D3B9CA-748D-467B-83F2-ADD0A2ECE501@durrant.co.uk>
	<13481533-F452-4CD9-8F06-5E2E32AF8B8C@mac.com>
	<F4866974-6FDC-46A2-B7B0-77540B6A80CA@durrant.co.uk>
	<2F64CA47-9482-4341-8A0F-4EBA4FECF7E1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CE6F21F2-4754-4DA3-8320-49E382A9EF63@mac.com>

Evening All
  I have been trying to upload images to my idisk with iweb but I  
cannot form links.
This is with latest iweb, I understand from other chat rooms this is a  
problem with iweb.
  has anyone cracked it or can someone recommend something else that  
will do the job please?
Jeremy



From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk  Fri May  8 17:17:05 2009
From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 17:17:05 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ISP
In-Reply-To: <E17D8FAD-52DA-4E07-B214-CD39C859363B@igdesign.co.uk>
References: <92F4E81A-D543-4CF9-913C-3311A87E71FC@mendelsohn.me.uk>
	<0A5ABC2F-658A-439C-9985-55F3F9031BE7@mac.com>
	<158B0B62-D43C-409C-8783-B6559959174D@f2s.com>
	<7A7F577C-555C-4ECF-9224-BD1403EBE7E5@zen.co.uk>
	<E17D8FAD-52DA-4E07-B214-CD39C859363B@igdesign.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BE81C658-F4F1-4C39-822E-99C13D6CE783@mendelsohn.me.uk>

Thank you everyone (Ken, Ian, Steven, Robbie, Richard and Alan) for  
your helpful comments. it would seem that BT are not the way to go,  
and we had more or less decided to stay with Freedom2Surf, until there  
servers were down for a short time this morning!!

O2 seems to be well recommended in the websites I looked at (and it is  
cheaper) so maybe this is the way to go when we get really fed up with  
f2s!

Thanks for ideas anyway. We look into these in more detail before  
switching.

Phyll


>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> Our current ISP is F2s - at a cost of ?14.99 per month. Their Mac
>>>> support (used infrequently) has been very good but over the past
>>>> year
>>>> or so their servers have been down several times, once for a few
>>>> days.
>>>>
>>>
>>>


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Fri May  8 18:10:51 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 18:10:51 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Time Machine and Spotlight
Message-ID: <FCA8ACF6-551E-458A-8ADC-90ACF025BDF1@durrant.co.uk>

I've just worked out why my Time Machine disk seems to be accessed a  
lot. Everytime a backup happens, Spotlight launches to index the newly  
copied files!

This is a bit of a waste of time. I'd recommend turning off spotlight  
for your Time Machines volume - System Preferences/Spotlight/Privacy,  
and click the + button at the bottom and select your Time Machine disk.

I suspect my Time Machine external disk will be a bit quieter and  
cooler from now on!

Paul



From Interjay2 at btinternet.com  Fri May  8 18:24:25 2009
From: Interjay2 at btinternet.com (Peter James)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 18:24:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] mac basics meeting
References: <74B485D1-6CC3-4FB6-8E05-27D90745240D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B84D7F19D70B4631BBA7087C3BDC21B8@fujitsu>

Very much regret to say I will not be able to attend this first meeting.
Aw shucks !!
Peter J

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Barber" <alanbarber at mac.com>
To: "nmugs Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 8:05 AM
Subject: [NMUG] mac basics meeting


> One thing I forgot to say to all those coming to tomorrows meeting.
> Please use the small door to the left side of the church.
>
> Regards
>
> Alan
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


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From h.tamplin at btinternet.com  Fri May  8 18:45:53 2009
From: h.tamplin at btinternet.com (Heather Tamplin)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 18:45:53 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ISP
In-Reply-To: <BE81C658-F4F1-4C39-822E-99C13D6CE783@mendelsohn.me.uk>
References: <92F4E81A-D543-4CF9-913C-3311A87E71FC@mendelsohn.me.uk>
	<0A5ABC2F-658A-439C-9985-55F3F9031BE7@mac.com>
	<158B0B62-D43C-409C-8783-B6559959174D@f2s.com>
	<7A7F577C-555C-4ECF-9224-BD1403EBE7E5@zen.co.uk>
	<E17D8FAD-52DA-4E07-B214-CD39C859363B@igdesign.co.uk>
	<BE81C658-F4F1-4C39-822E-99C13D6CE783@mendelsohn.me.uk>
Message-ID: <489CCF8B-E30C-4564-979F-7F9D2D32DA92@btinternet.com>

a bit late to this thread but I have been with BT for about 4 years  
and only pay 12.99 for 24/7 with reasonable download limit, 20 yr old  
daughter hasn't over-clocked it yet... I have had discount for  
loyalty for the last 2 years. Rarely any problems, and when they  
occur BT  sort them fast.
I have read much from those on cheaper deals who have a hard time  
sorting their difficulties. I think they are worth the extra.
Heather




On 8 May 2009, at 17:17, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote:

> Thank you everyone (Ken, Ian, Steven, Robbie, Richard and Alan) for
> your helpful comments. it would seem that BT are not the way to go,
> and we had more or less decided to stay with Freedom2Surf, until there
> servers were down for a short time this morning!!
>
> O2 seems to be well recommended in the websites I looked at (and it is
> cheaper) so maybe this is the way to go when we get really fed up with
> f2s!
>
> Thanks for ideas anyway. We look into these in more detail before
> switching.
>
> Phyll
>
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> Our current ISP is F2s - at a cost of ?14.99 per month. Their Mac
>>>>> support (used infrequently) has been very good but over the past
>>>>> year
>>>>> or so their servers have been down several times, once for a few
>>>>> days.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

Heather Tamplin

www.heathertamplin.co.uk

"Art is the only way to run away without leaving home."
Twyla Tharp






From Interjay2 at btinternet.com  Fri May  8 18:47:53 2009
From: Interjay2 at btinternet.com (Peter James)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 18:47:53 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Installing XP
References: <mailman.708.1241789253.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk><9D300381-6E3A-41EE-AB89-6F9287857A7F@gmail.com>
	<90D03763-303C-43F8-8620-ED8B62EB62EF@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6111DF25C54445A1B17C823357EAC80F@fujitsu>

I 'inherited' a Fujitsu/Siemens Tower that would not validate via Microsoft, 
so I decided to re-install XP from a Full Licence version I have from an 
Evesham machine.
Firstly I tried the Key from the CD ( actually the Key from the Sticker on 
the Evesham PC ) which did not work, then I tried the Key from the 
Fujitsu/Siemens Tower and that didn't work either.
I was subsequently informed that the KEY must match BOTH machine and Disc.
I may be wrong and frequently am.
PJ

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Simon Royal" <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [NMUG] Installing XP


> Stefan
>
> So obtaining a disc and using your own key is a hit and miss affair.
>
> I have had it work on occasions and not on others, especially if the
> said disc is from a torrent or borrowed from someone else.
>
> Some versions of Windows are more picky than others. Windows XP is not
> particularly picky, but earlier ones like Windows 98SE are very picky.
>
> Simon
>
> On 8 May 2009, at 14:41, stefan youngs wrote:
>
>>
>> On 8 May 2009, at 14:27, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:
>>
>>> rom: "Peter James" <Interjay2 at btinternet.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] t:  Windows XP Disc
>>>
>>>
>>> As far as I know, the Licence Key must match the software .
>>> i.e., having the licence key for the laptop is of no use if you
>>> install XP
>>> from a different disc.
>>> PJ
>>
>>
>> I don't think this is right.
>>
>> XP instals from a DVD that doesn't itself contain a key
>>
>> The computer doesn't contain a key
>>
>> During the install you are asked to input a valid key which is on the
>> packaging for the DVD OR on a Microsuck label someone stuck on the PC.
>>
>> Either way, so long as this key is not already registered, then XP
>> should work (if that's the right word to describe its fatuous... but I
>> wont go off into a rant again).
>>
>> If I am wrong on this, DO tell me.. it will add to my rant routine
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri May  8 18:50:37 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 18:50:37 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Installing XP
In-Reply-To: <6111DF25C54445A1B17C823357EAC80F@fujitsu>
References: <mailman.708.1241789253.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk><9D300381-6E3A-41EE-AB89-6F9287857A7F@gmail.com>
	<90D03763-303C-43F8-8620-ED8B62EB62EF@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<6111DF25C54445A1B17C823357EAC80F@fujitsu>
Message-ID: <25FAB27B-98E8-40C6-8677-30C6D96C0C34@simonroyal.co.uk>

Peter

Are the codes on your machines OEM codes? Are the discs you have  
retail discs?

That might be your problem. OEM discs are very particular over which  
codes will work - must be something set in by the manufacturer deal  
with Microsoft.

Simon


On 8 May 2009, at 18:47, Peter James wrote:

> I 'inherited' a Fujitsu/Siemens Tower that would not validate via  
> Microsoft,
> so I decided to re-install XP from a Full Licence version I have  
> from an
> Evesham machine.
> Firstly I tried the Key from the CD ( actually the Key from the  
> Sticker on
> the Evesham PC ) which did not work, then I tried the Key from the
> Fujitsu/Siemens Tower and that didn't work either.
> I was subsequently informed that the KEY must match BOTH machine and  
> Disc.
> I may be wrong and frequently am.
> PJ
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Simon Royal" <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
> To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 2:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Installing XP
>
>
>> Stefan
>>
>> So obtaining a disc and using your own key is a hit and miss affair.
>>
>> I have had it work on occasions and not on others, especially if the
>> said disc is from a torrent or borrowed from someone else.
>>
>> Some versions of Windows are more picky than others. Windows XP is  
>> not
>> particularly picky, but earlier ones like Windows 98SE are very  
>> picky.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> On 8 May 2009, at 14:41, stefan youngs wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 8 May 2009, at 14:27, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:
>>>
>>>> rom: "Peter James" <Interjay2 at btinternet.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] t:  Windows XP Disc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As far as I know, the Licence Key must match the software .
>>>> i.e., having the licence key for the laptop is of no use if you
>>>> install XP
>>>> from a different disc.
>>>> PJ
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think this is right.
>>>
>>> XP instals from a DVD that doesn't itself contain a key
>>>
>>> The computer doesn't contain a key
>>>
>>> During the install you are asked to input a valid key which is on  
>>> the
>>> packaging for the DVD OR on a Microsuck label someone stuck on the  
>>> PC.
>>>
>>> Either way, so long as this key is not already registered, then XP
>>> should work (if that's the right word to describe its fatuous...  
>>> but I
>>> wont go off into a rant again).
>>>
>>> If I am wrong on this, DO tell me.. it will add to my rant routine
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
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>
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---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com  Fri May  8 19:35:13 2009
From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 19:35:13 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac basics course
Message-ID: <E808E2B2-FA38-43E3-8449-C555B25F55C5@gmail.com>

Is it a requirement to bring our laptops ( if you own one, that is )  
tomorrow?
Richard
rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com




From ricnev at mac.com  Fri May  8 19:40:52 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 19:40:52 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac basics course
In-Reply-To: <E808E2B2-FA38-43E3-8449-C555B25F55C5@gmail.com>
References: <E808E2B2-FA38-43E3-8449-C555B25F55C5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E4838939-C94F-41A8-97E3-072AC84999A7@mac.com>

No - you won't need a machine there as I will be using a projector to  
show people those bits we need to look at.

The most important bit of kit we need tomorrow is you!

Richard.

On 8 May 2009, at 19:35, Richard Stewart wrote:

> Is it a requirement to bring our laptops ( if you own one, that is )
> tomorrow?
> Richard
> rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com





From valeriehardman at btinternet.com  Fri May  8 19:44:03 2009
From: valeriehardman at btinternet.com (VALERIE HARDMAN)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 18:44:03 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 64, Issue 21
In-Reply-To: <mailman.712.1241798357.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <442679.70373.qm@web86502.mail.ird.yahoo.com>


We have BT Broadband, chosen mainly for the access to the FON system overseas, but in reality this doesn't seem to work, even if one stands outside an address given by the website.  We had tremendous problems with BT initially, mainly because of a mis-selling issue.  The most frustrating aspect is that one is always transferred to India unless there is a sale concerned, and the advisers in India, while well meaning seem singularly unable to help with virtually anything but simply won't admit this.  They seem to prefer to put the phone down, or give one a spurious telephone number to call, or promise a call back which never arrives.  I did however persevere with my complaints and miraculously managed to get to someone who had some authority and I was offered ?100 in compensation.  Lately the service has been alright but is too expensive considering the difficulties of accessing what they offer in their package.
Valerie

> From: Jules Slaughter <jinshinjewels at googlemail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] ISP
> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Message-ID:
> 	<adb0e98a0905080706h22741591ud13a59f4c4d230d9 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> Dear Phyll & Ed
> 
> Yes I switched to BT at Xmas for ?10 p.m. but there is
> interference on
> the phone line if I have the answer machine & phone
> through the Hub.



From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com  Fri May  8 19:52:58 2009
From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 19:52:58 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac basics course
In-Reply-To: <E4838939-C94F-41A8-97E3-072AC84999A7@mac.com>
References: <E808E2B2-FA38-43E3-8449-C555B25F55C5@gmail.com>
	<E4838939-C94F-41A8-97E3-072AC84999A7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <97E7EFDB-1BC5-4732-9AD8-EEEF818574C5@gmail.com>

Good-oh,thanks Richard.
Richard
rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com



On 8 May 2009, at 19:40, Richard Nevill wrote:

> No - you won't need a machine



From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Fri May  8 19:56:43 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 19:56:43 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] clearing disk space
Message-ID: <17976676-B002-4FD8-A0E7-8653753D0B34@virgin.net>

I am trying to clear some space on my main H/D.

can I dump "Applications (Mac OS 9)"???

I am now running O/S 10.4.11 so don't use any programs that need o/s 9

martin

From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Fri May  8 20:21:36 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 20:21:36 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ISP
In-Reply-To: <adb0e98a0905080706h22741591ud13a59f4c4d230d9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <92F4E81A-D543-4CF9-913C-3311A87E71FC@mendelsohn.me.uk>
	<adb0e98a0905080706h22741591ud13a59f4c4d230d9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A048640.7020107@stackyard.org>

Jules,

Yes, absolutely standard procedure from BT.  Your plugging arrangements 
sound suspect.  Whenever there is router noise (a bit like an un-tuned 
AM radio) on the line, there is a filtering issue.  If it's not router 
noise then it's either a line fault or one of your telephone devices is 
faulty.  Without seeing what you have done or what you have, it's 
difficult to tell.  If you would like to give me a call, I can 
interrogate you further.

Ken

Tel: 01362 850582
Mob: 07884 118704

Jules Slaughter wrote:
> Dear Phyll & Ed
>
> Yes I switched to BT at Xmas for ?10 p.m. but there is interference on
> the phone line if I have the answer machine & phone through the Hub.
> BT Broadband cleared the noise but when asked why I couldn't get
> 1471/1571 messages they referred me to phone people who, of course,
> referred me b ack to broadband people.  At which point I lost my cool
> - very bad news for a yoga teacher.....  I wrote to complain to
> complaints, who rang me about 3 times and left a message but no number
> to call them back on.  So they said as I hadn't called them back the
> file was closed!
>
> I now have the interference back and have been meaning to call again
> but I've got used to unplugging the hub and plugging phone and
> answermachine back into wall.  I can't get the answermachine to work
> through the hub and as a small business I really want an answer
> machine.  I think they charge you to cancel but I have to look into
> that.
>
> Otherwise its good to be able to phone an 0800 number but I can't get
> a response!!
>
> Jules
>
>
>
>
> On 5/7/09, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn <ed at mendelsohn.me.uk> wrote:
>   
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>>  Our current ISP is F2s - at a cost of ?14.99 per month. Their Mac
>>  support (used infrequently) has been very good but over the past year
>>  or so their servers have been down several times, once for a few days.
>>
>>  We are thinking of changing providers - does anyone have any views/
>>  experience with BT Broadband? We can get the first 3 months free and
>>  then the cost would be ?15.65 per month. We are not heavy users - the
>>  maximum is about  8000 MBytes per month(inbound and outbound).
>>  Occasionally this has gone higher, often it is far less.
>>
>>  Thanks
>>
>>  Phyll and Ed
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  NMUG mailing list
>>  NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>  http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>     
>
>
>   


From kevin at sanderling.co.uk  Fri May  8 21:57:16 2009
From: kevin at sanderling.co.uk (Kevin Allenby)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 21:57:16 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac Basics Meeting
In-Reply-To: <CB54EB80-460A-41C6-B11A-C8639ABBC504@mac.com>
References: <C4B41296-67E9-4E5E-99AC-6522B44A8E9C@mac.com>
	<708056.46458.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<2D7F5E4AD7794C7EA8A3476D5A6FD686@fujitsu>
	<916CAA2F-08D8-4247-9899-B77DB99603F4@mac.com>
	<9c83344f0905060426h38f22417i5b0ada4b64f334ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<CB54EB80-460A-41C6-B11A-C8639ABBC504@mac.com>
Message-ID: <9c83344f0905081357i6acf1645u28b5fe69835e224e@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry if I've missed it in any post, but how long is the course expected to
last tomorrow - is it 10 til 12?

Thanks
Kevin



2009/5/6 Alan Barber <alanbarber at mac.com>

> Will do - look forward to seeing you.
>
> Regards
>
> Alan
>
>
> On 6 May 2009, at 12:26, Kevin Allenby wrote:
>
> > Alan
> >
> > I would like to be added to list please (if space available).
> >
> > Thanks
> > Kevin Allenby
> >
> > 2009/5/6 Alan Barber <alanbarber at mac.com>
> >
> >> HI Peter J
> >>
> >> The cost of the first meeting will be ?5.00
> >> This covers the cost of the hall, coffee etc and Richards fuel.
> >>
> >> For all those that let me know they are coming :-
> >> Peter J,
> >> Alistair Hindmarch,
> >> Tobias Arnup,
> >> Sue West,
> >> Ivor Cloke + 1,
> >> Richard Ivers.
> >> Richard Stewart
> >> Jules Slaughter
> >> Valerie Hardman
> >> (If I have left anybody off the list please let me know.)
> >>
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > NMUG mailing list
> > NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>


From ricnev at mac.com  Fri May  8 21:58:26 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 21:58:26 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac Basics Meeting
In-Reply-To: <9c83344f0905081357i6acf1645u28b5fe69835e224e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C4B41296-67E9-4E5E-99AC-6522B44A8E9C@mac.com>
	<708056.46458.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<2D7F5E4AD7794C7EA8A3476D5A6FD686@fujitsu>
	<916CAA2F-08D8-4247-9899-B77DB99603F4@mac.com>
	<9c83344f0905060426h38f22417i5b0ada4b64f334ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<CB54EB80-460A-41C6-B11A-C8639ABBC504@mac.com>
	<9c83344f0905081357i6acf1645u28b5fe69835e224e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70CD575B-FFC1-44A9-9727-BFCA9471D90F@mac.com>

Yes.

Richard.

On 8 May 2009, at 21:57, Kevin Allenby wrote:

> Sorry if I've missed it in any post, but how long is the course  
> expected to
> last tomorrow - is it 10 til 12?
>
> Thanks
> Kevin
>
>

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com





From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Fri May  8 22:40:16 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 22:40:16 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Time Machine and Spotlight
In-Reply-To: <FCA8ACF6-551E-458A-8ADC-90ACF025BDF1@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C62A6550.299E9%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

Unless it should become useful to be able to search it via Spotlight at a
future date?

I wish I could simply pause Spotlight or have more control over it.
I almost never search except by filename and for things I know so most of it
is wasted on me. (In fact I often use easyfind - but don't know if this
finds things on Time machine successfully as it is full of symlinks is it
not?)

regards
Brian


Paul Durrant said recently:

> I've just worked out why my Time Machine disk seems to be accessed a
> lot. Everytime a backup happens, Spotlight launches to index the newly
> copied files!
> 
> This is a bit of a waste of time. I'd recommend turning off spotlight
> for your Time Machines volume - System Preferences/Spotlight/Privacy,
> and click the + button at the bottom and select your Time Machine disk.
> 
> I suspect my Time Machine external disk will be a bit quieter and
> cooler from now on!
> 
> Paul
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Fri May  8 22:41:38 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 22:41:38 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iweb A waste of space?
In-Reply-To: <CE6F21F2-4754-4DA3-8320-49E382A9EF63@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C62A65A2.299EA%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

If you just want to upload/show/share images there are numerous free sites
such as Flickr etc
regards
Brian


jeremy knight said recently:

> Evening All
>   I have been trying to upload images to my idisk with iweb but I
> cannot form links.
> This is with latest iweb, I understand from other chat rooms this is a
> problem with iweb.
>   has anyone cracked it or can someone recommend something else that
> will do the job please?
> Jeremy
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Fri May  8 23:23:46 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 23:23:46 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Installing XP
In-Reply-To: <25FAB27B-98E8-40C6-8677-30C6D96C0C34@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <mailman.708.1241789253.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk><9D300381-6E3A-41EE-AB89-6F9287857A7F@gmail.com>	<90D03763-303C-43F8-8620-ED8B62EB62EF@simonroyal.co.uk>	<6111DF25C54445A1B17C823357EAC80F@fujitsu>
	<25FAB27B-98E8-40C6-8677-30C6D96C0C34@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A04B0F2.3070905@stackyard.org>

What exactly do you guys mean by "doesn't work"?  I have done lots of 
installations where the automatic activation failed but a subsequent 
call to the robotic woman worked.  Sometimes she asks some questions 
like how many machines this copy of Windows is installed on.  Your 
answer should be "1".  Simon is right about the CD having information 
about itself.  It knows what version it is (Home, Pro, Media) and 
whether it is a volume license, OEM or retail.  The key on the label has 
to match both of these criteria.  Some machine manufacturers use volume 
licenses and some use OEM licenses.  If you re-install (using the 
correct CD for the key) and the hardware has changed, you will probably 
be forced to call the woman and she will ask you if the hardware has 
changed.  Say yes because it has.

Have a look at http://www.aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm for a description of 
the Windows Product Activation process if you really want to experience 
blood-curdling horror.  But don't worry, it's just a bad dream.  You use 
a Mac.

Ken

Simon Royal wrote:
> Peter
>
> Are the codes on your machines OEM codes? Are the discs you have  
> retail discs?
>
> That might be your problem. OEM discs are very particular over which  
> codes will work - must be something set in by the manufacturer deal  
> with Microsoft.
>
> Simon
>
>
> On 8 May 2009, at 18:47, Peter James wrote:
>
>   
>> I 'inherited' a Fujitsu/Siemens Tower that would not validate via  
>> Microsoft,
>> so I decided to re-install XP from a Full Licence version I have  
>> from an
>> Evesham machine.
>> Firstly I tried the Key from the CD ( actually the Key from the  
>> Sticker on
>> the Evesham PC ) which did not work, then I tried the Key from the
>> Fujitsu/Siemens Tower and that didn't work either.
>> I was subsequently informed that the KEY must match BOTH machine and  
>> Disc.
>> I may be wrong and frequently am.
>> PJ
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Simon Royal" <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
>> To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 2:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Installing XP
>>
>>
>>     
>>> Stefan
>>>
>>> So obtaining a disc and using your own key is a hit and miss affair.
>>>
>>> I have had it work on occasions and not on others, especially if the
>>> said disc is from a torrent or borrowed from someone else.
>>>
>>> Some versions of Windows are more picky than others. Windows XP is  
>>> not
>>> particularly picky, but earlier ones like Windows 98SE are very  
>>> picky.
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>> On 8 May 2009, at 14:41, stefan youngs wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> On 8 May 2009, at 14:27, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> rom: "Peter James" <Interjay2 at btinternet.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] t:  Windows XP Disc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as I know, the Licence Key must match the software .
>>>>> i.e., having the licence key for the laptop is of no use if you
>>>>> install XP
>>>>> from a different disc.
>>>>> PJ
>>>>>           
>>>> I don't think this is right.
>>>>
>>>> XP instals from a DVD that doesn't itself contain a key
>>>>
>>>> The computer doesn't contain a key
>>>>
>>>> During the install you are asked to input a valid key which is on  
>>>> the
>>>> packaging for the DVD OR on a Microsuck label someone stuck on the  
>>>> PC.
>>>>
>>>> Either way, so long as this key is not already registered, then XP
>>>> should work (if that's the right word to describe its fatuous...  
>>>> but I
>>>> wont go off into a rant again).
>>>>
>>>> If I am wrong on this, DO tell me.. it will add to my rant routine
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> Simon Royal
>>> ---
>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
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>>
>>
>>
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>>     
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
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> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
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>   


From p.hunter at ntlworld.com  Fri May  8 23:54:48 2009
From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 23:54:48 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows XP Disc
In-Reply-To: <4A040920.3040404@stackyard.org>
References: <8E18D617-48A7-49F7-B15F-557502C84A30@ntlworld.com>	<64616C0F-F34A-4A0B-B2DC-FAA11A9705FE@simonroyal.co.uk>	<CE7CAD94-38FC-4D96-ABA1-907A7D56CDA5@ntlworld.com>
	<27A0DC55-3D20-4D09-AB29-DB1FE22D02E0@durrant.co.uk>
	<4A040920.3040404@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <0D88B249-58AE-448F-B3D8-55BE9EE34897@ntlworld.com>

Hi Ken,

Thanks for the offer of help. I think I am sorted now (or will be by  
tomorrow).
The code is NOT OEM, so only a standard disc for Home edition will work.

The machine is a Medion 2120. I have been in contact with Medion, but  
they don't have any XP recovery discs in stock. They have offered to  
reproduce one for me at a cost, but I really need both of my arms and  
legs!

For the time being I have put the new disc in a USB caddy, and  
formatted it as NTFS. I'm not quite sure how to mirror the old disc.  
Can I do it with this disc via the USB port? And what software would I  
need for this?

The Restore partition is 5.95 GB. It contains the full Windows XP  
files, but you have to boot from the restore CD to get access to these  
files. This is done by the software on the restore disc.

Peter

On 8 May 2009, at 11:27, Ken Hamer wrote:

> Peter,
>
> There is one big possible stumbling block in this and that is that not
> all distributions are the same.  If the key on the Certificate of
> Authority is for a volume distribution, a standard OEM CD will not
> work.
> Another possibility is to mirror the old disk onto the new one,  
> although
> this requires the use of another machine and software to do it.
>
> You don't mention the manufacturer of the laptop.  If it's a volume
> distro, you might be able to get a CD from them although they vary
> hugely in how easy they are to deal with.  How big is the recovery
> partition on the old disk?  If it's a few Gb than it probably has a  
> full
> distribution on it and may not need a CD as well.
>



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sat May  9 07:47:05 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 07:47:05 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Time Machine and Spotlight
In-Reply-To: <C62A6550.299E9%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
References: <C62A6550.299E9%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
Message-ID: <B0E703D0-7FC0-4FBF-B0DE-C077400CC9F6@durrant.co.uk>

True - but in that case you could enable it again and wait for the  
index to be created.

By turning it off, you also stop results turning up from your Time  
Machine volume when you're searching all of your computer.

Paul

On 8 May 2009, at 22:40, Brian Steere wrote:

> Unless it should become useful to be able to search it via Spotlight  
> at a
> future date?



From jeremyknight at mac.com  Sat May  9 08:30:17 2009
From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 08:30:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iweb A waste of space?any suggestions?
In-Reply-To: <C62A65A2.299EA%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
References: <C62A65A2.299EA%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
Message-ID: <5997DC5F-CB0A-41F2-B077-49DAA410A673@mac.com>

Thanks Brian,
I wondered what other members use to upload their pictures and for  
publishing websites.
Anything I use must support links.
jeremy
On 8 May 2009, at 22:41, Brian Steere wrote:

> If you just want to upload/show/share images there are numerous free  
> sites
> such as Flickr etc
> regards
> Brian
>


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sat May  9 08:45:42 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 08:45:42 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iweb A waste of space?any suggestions?
In-Reply-To: <5997DC5F-CB0A-41F2-B077-49DAA410A673@mac.com>
References: <C62A65A2.299EA%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
	<5997DC5F-CB0A-41F2-B077-49DAA410A673@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CA79DF1B-71AE-426E-B32F-BD67067CF714@durrant.co.uk>

Just copy the images to your Sites folder on your iDisk. (The top  
level Sites folder, not the one inside the Web folder.)

The link to anything in there is just

http://homepage.mac.com/username/filename

e.g.

http://homepage.mac.com/durrantsoftware/dingdongbell.jpeg

regards,

Paul

On 9 May 2009, at 08:30, jeremy knight wrote:

> Thanks Brian,
> I wondered what other members use to upload their pictures and for
> publishing websites.
> Anything I use must support links.
> jeremy
> On 8 May 2009, at 22:41, Brian Steere wrote:
>
>> If you just want to upload/show/share images there are numerous free
>> sites
>> such as Flickr etc
>> regards
>> Brian
>>



From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Sat May  9 09:01:05 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 09:01:05 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows XP Disc
In-Reply-To: <0D88B249-58AE-448F-B3D8-55BE9EE34897@ntlworld.com>
References: <8E18D617-48A7-49F7-B15F-557502C84A30@ntlworld.com>	<64616C0F-F34A-4A0B-B2DC-FAA11A9705FE@simonroyal.co.uk>	<CE7CAD94-38FC-4D96-ABA1-907A7D56CDA5@ntlworld.com>	<27A0DC55-3D20-4D09-AB29-DB1FE22D02E0@durrant.co.uk>	<4A040920.3040404@stackyard.org>
	<0D88B249-58AE-448F-B3D8-55BE9EE34897@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <4A053841.3040805@stackyard.org>

Peter,

A couple things.  First of all, did it not like the code when you 
entered it or did it fail activation?  Did you use the telephone 
option?  If the robot woman denied you an activation key, it probably 
means that the code on the Microsoft sticker is for a volume license and 
you're stuck with either buying an OEM version of XP which will come 
with a new sticker or using the recovery partition.  I find it hard to 
believe that you need to use a CD to reinstall when there is a full 
distribution of Windows in the recovery area, although the various DSG 
brands (Packard Bell, Medion, Advent, etc.) are all a bit peculiar in 
various ways.  But I suspect that there is a key sequence to type when 
the machine is going through the BIOS stage of booting (white letters on 
black background or Medion logo) which will cause the machine to boot 
from the recovery partition.  Try looking on the medion web site 
(http://www.medion.co.uk/) under the support tab.  You will need the 
machine's serial number from the tag on the underside to find the manual 
for it on their site.  You could even try calling PC World to ask though 
I suspect you might get more intelligence, wit and sense from the web site.

So if there is a recovery key sequence and you definitely want to 
replace the disk, you need to mirror the old disk to the new one.  If it 
were me, I would put the old disk in my Windows machine and use Acronis 
TrueImage to back it up to a file.  Then I would connect the new disk 
and restore to the new drive making the new disk identical to the old 
one.  I would then use Disk Director to expand the main partition to 
fill the available space since the new disk is bigger than the old one 
(the restore will create partitions identical to the original).  Then I 
would put the new disk in the machine and boot from the recovery 
partition.  If that all worked, it would need thousands of updates and 
the elimination of all the rubbishware that will have come in from the 
recovery partition as well as restoration of the original personal data 
(scan for viruses first).

Are you sure you're game for this?

You might find that the purchase of a new OEM XP license isn't quite so 
life-threatening.

Ken



Peter Hunter wrote:
> Hi Ken,
>
> Thanks for the offer of help. I think I am sorted now (or will be by  
> tomorrow).
> The code is NOT OEM, so only a standard disc for Home edition will work.
>
> The machine is a Medion 2120. I have been in contact with Medion, but  
> they don't have any XP recovery discs in stock. They have offered to  
> reproduce one for me at a cost, but I really need both of my arms and  
> legs!
>
> For the time being I have put the new disc in a USB caddy, and  
> formatted it as NTFS. I'm not quite sure how to mirror the old disc.  
> Can I do it with this disc via the USB port? And what software would I  
> need for this?
>
> The Restore partition is 5.95 GB. It contains the full Windows XP  
> files, but you have to boot from the restore CD to get access to these  
> files. This is done by the software on the restore disc.
>
> Peter
>
> On 8 May 2009, at 11:27, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
>   
>> Peter,
>>
>> There is one big possible stumbling block in this and that is that not
>> all distributions are the same.  If the key on the Certificate of
>> Authority is for a volume distribution, a standard OEM CD will not
>> work.
>> Another possibility is to mirror the old disk onto the new one,  
>> although
>> this requires the use of another machine and software to do it.
>>
>> You don't mention the manufacturer of the laptop.  If it's a volume
>> distro, you might be able to get a CD from them although they vary
>> hugely in how easy they are to deal with.  How big is the recovery
>> partition on the old disk?  If it's a few Gb than it probably has a  
>> full
>> distribution on it and may not need a CD as well.
>>
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From macman at f2s.com  Sat May  9 09:30:37 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 09:30:37 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows XP Disc
In-Reply-To: <4A053841.3040805@stackyard.org>
References: <8E18D617-48A7-49F7-B15F-557502C84A30@ntlworld.com>	<64616C0F-F34A-4A0B-B2DC-FAA11A9705FE@simonroyal.co.uk>	<CE7CAD94-38FC-4D96-ABA1-907A7D56CDA5@ntlworld.com>	<27A0DC55-3D20-4D09-AB29-DB1FE22D02E0@durrant.co.uk>	<4A040920.3040404@stackyard.org>
	<0D88B249-58AE-448F-B3D8-55BE9EE34897@ntlworld.com>
	<4A053841.3040805@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <3580B3E7-9CA9-4720-9F16-6EEE4F9A62A4@f2s.com>

Glad I've got a Mac! .....

Robbie


On 9 May 2009, at 09:01, Ken Hamer wrote:

Peter,

A couple things.  First of all, did it not like the code when you
entered it or did it fail activation?  Did you use the telephone
option?  If the robot woman denied you an activation key, it probably
means that the code on the Microsoft sticker is for a volume license and
you're stuck with either buying an OEM version of XP which will come
with a new sticker or using the recovery partition.  I find it hard to
believe that you need to use a CD to reinstall when there is a full
distribution of Windows in the recovery area, although the various DSG
brands (Packard Bell, Medion, Advent, etc.) are all a bit peculiar in
various ways.  But I suspect that there is a key sequence to type when
the machine is going through the BIOS stage of booting (white letters on
black background or Medion logo) which will cause the machine to boot
from the recovery partition.  Try looking on the medion web site
(http://www.medion.co.uk/) under the support tab.  You will need the
machine's serial number from the tag on the underside to find the manual
for it on their site.  You could even try calling PC World to ask though
I suspect you might get more intelligence, wit and sense from the web  
site.

So if there is a recovery key sequence and you definitely want to
replace the disk, you need to mirror the old disk to the new one.  If it
were me, I would put the old disk in my Windows machine and use Acronis
TrueImage to back it up to a file.  Then I would connect the new disk
and restore to the new drive making the new disk identical to the old
one.  I would then use Disk Director to expand the main partition to
fill the available space since the new disk is bigger than the old one
(the restore will create partitions identical to the original).  Then I
would put the new disk in the machine and boot from the recovery
partition.  If that all worked, it would need thousands of updates and
the elimination of all the rubbishware that will have come in from the
recovery partition as well as restoration of the original personal data
(scan for viruses first).

Are you sure you're game for this?

You might find that the purchase of a new OEM XP license isn't quite so
life-threatening.

Ken



Peter Hunter wrote:
> Hi Ken,
>
> Thanks for the offer of help. I think I am sorted now (or will be by
> tomorrow).
> The code is NOT OEM, so only a standard disc for Home edition will  
> work.
>
> The machine is a Medion 2120. I have been in contact with Medion, but
> they don't have any XP recovery discs in stock. They have offered to
> reproduce one for me at a cost, but I really need both of my arms and
> legs!
>
> For the time being I have put the new disc in a USB caddy, and
> formatted it as NTFS. I'm not quite sure how to mirror the old disc.
> Can I do it with this disc via the USB port? And what software would I
> need for this?
>
> The Restore partition is 5.95 GB. It contains the full Windows XP
> files, but you have to boot from the restore CD to get access to these
> files. This is done by the software on the restore disc.
>
> Peter
>
> On 8 May 2009, at 11:27, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
>
>> Peter,
>>
>> There is one big possible stumbling block in this and that is that  
>> not
>> all distributions are the same.  If the key on the Certificate of
>> Authority is for a volume distribution, a standard OEM CD will not
>> work.
>> Another possibility is to mirror the old disk onto the new one,
>> although
>> this requires the use of another machine and software to do it.
>>
>> You don't mention the manufacturer of the laptop.  If it's a volume
>> distro, you might be able to get a CD from them although they vary
>> hugely in how easy they are to deal with.  How big is the recovery
>> partition on the old disk?  If it's a few Gb than it probably has a
>> full
>> distribution on it and may not need a CD as well.
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
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http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From Interjay2 at btinternet.com  Sat May  9 09:49:24 2009
From: Interjay2 at btinternet.com (Peter James)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 09:49:24 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows XP Disc
References: <8E18D617-48A7-49F7-B15F-557502C84A30@ntlworld.com>	<64616C0F-F34A-4A0B-B2DC-FAA11A9705FE@simonroyal.co.uk>	<CE7CAD94-38FC-4D96-ABA1-907A7D56CDA5@ntlworld.com>	<27A0DC55-3D20-4D09-AB29-DB1FE22D02E0@durrant.co.uk>	<4A040920.3040404@stackyard.org><0D88B249-58AE-448F-B3D8-55BE9EE34897@ntlworld.com><4A053841.3040805@stackyard.org>
	<3580B3E7-9CA9-4720-9F16-6EEE4F9A62A4@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <6910684C459749369A0EEBBA1E0CFA1E@fujitsu>

Robbie, then you obviously didn't see the recent thread where someone with a 
MAC was busy losing pictures due to a MAC update !!!!!????
PJ

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robbie Murray" <macman at f2s.com>
To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [NMUG] Windows XP Disc


> Glad I've got a Mac! .....
>
> Robbie
>
>



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat May  9 10:19:50 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 10:19:50 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Tiscali Talk Talk Take Over
Message-ID: <B57E291F-811A-4F4A-A684-3ABEAD5C1237@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I just got an email to say Tiscali have agreed a take over bid with  
Talk Talk.

Great. One bad provider to another.

Simon Royal
---
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SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From kevin at sanderling.co.uk  Sat May  9 10:26:00 2009
From: kevin at sanderling.co.uk (Kevin Allenby)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 10:26:00 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac Basics Meeting
In-Reply-To: <70CD575B-FFC1-44A9-9727-BFCA9471D90F@mac.com>
References: <C4B41296-67E9-4E5E-99AC-6522B44A8E9C@mac.com>
	<708056.46458.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<2D7F5E4AD7794C7EA8A3476D5A6FD686@fujitsu>
	<916CAA2F-08D8-4247-9899-B77DB99603F4@mac.com>
	<9c83344f0905060426h38f22417i5b0ada4b64f334ca@mail.gmail.com>
	<CB54EB80-460A-41C6-B11A-C8639ABBC504@mac.com>
	<9c83344f0905081357i6acf1645u28b5fe69835e224e@mail.gmail.com>
	<70CD575B-FFC1-44A9-9727-BFCA9471D90F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <9c83344f0905090226m38950aa1ub9305386ae75a4a3@mail.gmail.com>

Richard
Many apologies for not being able to make it this morning - a minor but
urgent family crisis meant I couldn't get away. But I would like to come to
future ones.
Thanks
Kevin

2009/5/8 Richard Nevill <ricnev at mac.com>

> Yes.
>
> Richard.
>
> On 8 May 2009, at 21:57, Kevin Allenby wrote:
>
> > Sorry if I've missed it in any post, but how long is the course
> > expected to
> > last tomorrow - is it 10 til 12?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Kevin
> >
> >
>
> Richard Nevill
> ricnev at mac.com
>
>
>
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From allan at dsol.co.uk  Sat May  9 10:46:40 2009
From: allan at dsol.co.uk (Allan)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 10:46:40 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Tiscali Talk Talk Take Over
In-Reply-To: <B57E291F-811A-4F4A-A684-3ABEAD5C1237@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <B57E291F-811A-4F4A-A684-3ABEAD5C1237@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <224F7272-6239-4158-A10E-D8975FA4A381@dsol.co.uk>

Not at all sure about TalkTak being a bad supplier. Having negotiated  
a get out clause with them, should the deal not live up to  
expectations, we signed up to their local and international free  
telephone calls, broadband and line rental deals over a year ago.  
During that time my connection has been spot on and because TalkTalk  
have their gear at the local exchange, the connection speed is faster  
than it was with BT. Unlike the experiences I have had with Virgin and  
Tiscali on other people's behalf, customer service has been quick and  
efficient with the only one connection hiccup that we had resolved  
within a few days.

While I would not rate TalkTalk as high as Zen, they are no worse and  
considerably better than some ISPs I have dealt with. And as for the  
price.....

Allan Johns.


On 9 May 2009, at 10:19, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> I just got an email to say Tiscali have agreed a take over bid with
> Talk Talk.
>
> Great. One bad provider to another.
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
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>
>



From macman at f2s.com  Sat May  9 11:29:27 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 11:29:27 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows XP Disc
In-Reply-To: <6910684C459749369A0EEBBA1E0CFA1E@fujitsu>
References: <8E18D617-48A7-49F7-B15F-557502C84A30@ntlworld.com>	<64616C0F-F34A-4A0B-B2DC-FAA11A9705FE@simonroyal.co.uk>	<CE7CAD94-38FC-4D96-ABA1-907A7D56CDA5@ntlworld.com>	<27A0DC55-3D20-4D09-AB29-DB1FE22D02E0@durrant.co.uk>	<4A040920.3040404@stackyard.org><0D88B249-58AE-448F-B3D8-55BE9EE34897@ntlworld.com><4A053841.3040805@stackyard.org>
	<3580B3E7-9CA9-4720-9F16-6EEE4F9A62A4@f2s.com>
	<6910684C459749369A0EEBBA1E0CFA1E@fujitsu>
Message-ID: <2C200B2B-95F8-4388-817E-90C76E03313D@f2s.com>

I did, and I'm still glad I've got a Mac - things can go wrong, but  
are usually recoverable, and New drives can be installed without  
phoning disembodied voices for installation codes.

Never ceases to tickle me that for every Windows question raised on  
Forums, a dozen totally different and often conflicting answers are  
posted.  Here on NMUG, we tend to get the same suggestion from all  
responders.

After irretrievably deleting all of my wedding and honeymoon pictures  
on an old OS8 machine some years ago, I have anally followed the  
backupbackupbackup philosopy, and  have so far been able to recover  
from any corruption or file loss.

External drives cost less than a night out nowadays, and a Time Machine 
+SuperDuper combination set up properly should offer solutions for  
just about any problem which could ever arise.

Most problems I've had have been the result of failure of the same  
malfunctioning component in the system - me!

Apple allows me to wipe a disk and reinstall the OS simply and  
quickly, or archive and install with all user data intact.  Even when  
the restore disk for a particular machine is unavailable, I can  
install a new OS using Target mode - I recently performed a clean  
install on my son in laws Macbook from the recover disk supplied with  
my iMac - no licence key required .....

And if I want to remove software, I delete it.  2 Keys together and  
it's gone.

Personal choice, of course - all I know is within 5 minutes of sitting  
in front of a PC I'm Victor Meldrew ......

Robbie





On 9 May 2009, at 09:49, Peter James wrote:

Robbie, then you obviously didn't see the recent thread where someone  
with a
MAC was busy losing pictures due to a MAC update !!!!!????
PJ

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robbie Murray" <macman at f2s.com>
To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [NMUG] Windows XP Disc


> Glad I've got a Mac! .....
>
> Robbie
>
>

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From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Sat May  9 11:52:13 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 11:52:13 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 'Losing' data on Macs
In-Reply-To: <mailman.730.1241864969.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.730.1241864969.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6AE931AF-576D-45CA-85AE-5F1A7216A678@gmail.com>


> From: "Peter James" <Interjay2 at btinternet.com>
>
> Robbie, then you obviously didn't see the recent thread where  
> someone with a
> MAC was busy losing pictures due to a MAC update !!!!!????
> PJ
>
>> Glad I've got a Mac! .....
>>
>> Robbie
>>

I have to agree the Unix file naming and location architecture is not  
as intuitive as the old Apple system. I still for the life of me  
cannot work out why there are 2 Library folders, both called Library..  
what is THAT all about? And I'm not really, really sure I understand  
the significance and ramifications of having a USER reference, why do  
I have to go there to find the desktop sometimes, other times it's  
right where I expect it, at the root of the disk? I like the old Apple  
way, it was one way and one way only. everyone knew it and every  
program followed it. But we've already established I'm an Uncle Mort  
when it comes to my Mac.

Loss of pointers to the data (which is what the user in the 'lost'   
iPhoto has experienced - not for the first time I add, and so  
gefingerpoken issues cannot be ruled out) is something Apple should  
indeed get better control over. It should be completely impossible for  
an upgrade not to recognize the path previously followed by the  
earlier version. There couldn't be any gefingerpoken issues if there's  
nowhere to poke ze fingers, nein? (or even ten)
>


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat May  9 12:05:19 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 12:05:19 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows XP Disc
In-Reply-To: <2C200B2B-95F8-4388-817E-90C76E03313D@f2s.com>
References: <8E18D617-48A7-49F7-B15F-557502C84A30@ntlworld.com>	<64616C0F-F34A-4A0B-B2DC-FAA11A9705FE@simonroyal.co.uk>	<CE7CAD94-38FC-4D96-ABA1-907A7D56CDA5@ntlworld.com>	<27A0DC55-3D20-4D09-AB29-DB1FE22D02E0@durrant.co.uk>	<4A040920.3040404@stackyard.org><0D88B249-58AE-448F-B3D8-55BE9EE34897@ntlworld.com><4A053841.3040805@stackyard.org>
	<3580B3E7-9CA9-4720-9F16-6EEE4F9A62A4@f2s.com>
	<6910684C459749369A0EEBBA1E0CFA1E@fujitsu>
	<2C200B2B-95F8-4388-817E-90C76E03313D@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <F2C51CC8-64D0-4E7E-899D-DF561A6D80EA@simonroyal.co.uk>

Robbie

I feel we have a follower of the dark side amongst us.

Seriously though, all computers are problematic. All computers can  
lose data.

After using a Mac you see how easy they are to use, reliable and  
lacking in Microsofts lame attempts in anti-piracy.

A lot of lost data is down to user error.

Simon

On 9 May 2009, at 11:29, Robbie Murray wrote:

> I did, and I'm still glad I've got a Mac - things can go wrong, but
> are usually recoverable, and New drives can be installed without
> phoning disembodied voices for installation codes.
>
> Never ceases to tickle me that for every Windows question raised on
> Forums, a dozen totally different and often conflicting answers are
> posted.  Here on NMUG, we tend to get the same suggestion from all
> responders.
>
> After irretrievably deleting all of my wedding and honeymoon pictures
> on an old OS8 machine some years ago, I have anally followed the
> backupbackupbackup philosopy, and  have so far been able to recover
> from any corruption or file loss.
>
> External drives cost less than a night out nowadays, and a Time  
> Machine
> +SuperDuper combination set up properly should offer solutions for
> just about any problem which could ever arise.
>
> Most problems I've had have been the result of failure of the same
> malfunctioning component in the system - me!
>
> Apple allows me to wipe a disk and reinstall the OS simply and
> quickly, or archive and install with all user data intact.  Even when
> the restore disk for a particular machine is unavailable, I can
> install a new OS using Target mode - I recently performed a clean
> install on my son in laws Macbook from the recover disk supplied with
> my iMac - no licence key required .....
>
> And if I want to remove software, I delete it.  2 Keys together and
> it's gone.
>
> Personal choice, of course - all I know is within 5 minutes of sitting
> in front of a PC I'm Victor Meldrew ......
>
> Robbie
>
>
>
>
>
> On 9 May 2009, at 09:49, Peter James wrote:
>
> Robbie, then you obviously didn't see the recent thread where someone
> with a
> MAC was busy losing pictures due to a MAC update !!!!!????
> PJ
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robbie Murray" <macman at f2s.com>
> To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Windows XP Disc
>
>
>> Glad I've got a Mac! .....
>>
>> Robbie
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
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'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From munkt0n at gmail.com  Sat May  9 12:10:26 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 12:10:26 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 'Losing' data on Macs
In-Reply-To: <6AE931AF-576D-45CA-85AE-5F1A7216A678@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.730.1241864969.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<6AE931AF-576D-45CA-85AE-5F1A7216A678@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0905090410p6725269fg6269c35694334ff3@mail.gmail.com>

There can be potentially more than two Library folders.
one always lives at root - /Library - stuff installed in here is
available to all users
there will also be a Library folder in each users home folder, which
will be in /Users/[username]/Library, this is so individual users can
have their own application settings. The same applies to the Desktop,
which is unique to each user, also each user can have their own
Applications folder. There should not be a Desktop folder at the root
of the disk, I think you're thinking of the root of your 'home'
folder.

On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 11:52 AM, stefan youngs
<stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: "Peter James" <Interjay2 at btinternet.com>
>>
>> Robbie, then you obviously didn't see the recent thread where
>> someone with a
>> MAC was busy losing pictures due to a MAC update !!!!!????
>> PJ
>>
>>> Glad I've got a Mac! .....
>>>
>>> Robbie
>>>
>
> I have to agree the Unix file naming and location architecture is not
> as intuitive as the old Apple system. I still for the life of me
> cannot work out why there are 2 Library folders, both called Library..
> what is THAT all about? And I'm not really, really sure I understand
> the significance and ramifications of having a USER reference, why do
> I have to go there to find the desktop sometimes, other times it's
> right where I expect it, at the root of the disk? I like the old Apple
> way, it was one way and one way only. everyone knew it and every
> program followed it. But we've already established I'm an Uncle Mort
> when it comes to my Mac.
>
> Loss of pointers to the data (which is what the user in the 'lost'
> iPhoto has experienced - not for the first time I add, and so
> gefingerpoken issues cannot be ruled out) is something Apple should
> indeed get better control over. It should be completely impossible for
> an upgrade not to recognize the path previously followed by the
> earlier version. There couldn't be any gefingerpoken issues if there's
> nowhere to poke ze fingers, nein? (or even ten)
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



-- 
:wq


From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Sat May  9 12:22:27 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 12:22:27 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 'Losing' data on Macs
In-Reply-To: <6AE931AF-576D-45CA-85AE-5F1A7216A678@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.730.1241864969.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<6AE931AF-576D-45CA-85AE-5F1A7216A678@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A056773.8060802@stackyard.org>



Yes, Stefan, it all has to do with a mysterious concept called 
"Multi-user".  This was known about for centuries in the UNIX world but 
the knowledge of it remained an enigma to both Apple and Microsoft until 
modern times.  Even today, many deny its very existence and scoff at its 
necessity.

Ken

stefan youngs wrote:
>
> I have to agree the Unix file naming and location architecture is not  
> as intuitive as the old Apple system. I still for the life of me  
> cannot work out why there are 2 Library folders, both called Library..  
> what is THAT all about? And I'm not really, really sure I understand  
> the significance and ramifications of having a USER reference, why do  
> I have to go there to find the desktop sometimes, other times it's  
> right where I expect it, at the root of the disk? I like the old Apple  
> way, it was one way and one way only. everyone knew it and every  
> program followed it. But we've already established I'm an Uncle Mort  
> when it comes to my Mac.
>
>
>   


From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Sat May  9 12:28:00 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 12:28:00 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows XP Disc
In-Reply-To: <2C200B2B-95F8-4388-817E-90C76E03313D@f2s.com>
References: <8E18D617-48A7-49F7-B15F-557502C84A30@ntlworld.com>	<64616C0F-F34A-4A0B-B2DC-FAA11A9705FE@simonroyal.co.uk>	<CE7CAD94-38FC-4D96-ABA1-907A7D56CDA5@ntlworld.com>	<27A0DC55-3D20-4D09-AB29-DB1FE22D02E0@durrant.co.uk>	<4A040920.3040404@stackyard.org><0D88B249-58AE-448F-B3D8-55BE9EE34897@ntlworld.com><4A053841.3040805@stackyard.org>	<3580B3E7-9CA9-4720-9F16-6EEE4F9A62A4@f2s.com>	<6910684C459749369A0EEBBA1E0CFA1E@fujitsu>
	<2C200B2B-95F8-4388-817E-90C76E03313D@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <4A0568C0.8020906@stackyard.org>

No License key!  Where's the fun in THAT?  No thrill of the chase, no 
suspense as you await activation, no sense of glorious victory as you 
see the magical words "Thank You" appear on the activation screen.  What 
a dull life you strive for!

Robbie Murray wrote:
> I recently performed a clean  
> install on my son in laws Macbook from the recover disk supplied with  
> my iMac - no licence key required .....
>
>   


From jeremyknight at mac.com  Sat May  9 12:30:09 2009
From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 12:30:09 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iweb A waste of space?any suggestions?
In-Reply-To: <CA79DF1B-71AE-426E-B32F-BD67067CF714@durrant.co.uk>
References: <C62A65A2.299EA%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
	<5997DC5F-CB0A-41F2-B077-49DAA410A673@mac.com>
	<CA79DF1B-71AE-426E-B32F-BD67067CF714@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <D2EEADB9-A29A-4D00-8E84-BEFF61EA132D@mac.com>

Thanks for that Paul.
  jeremy
On 9 May 2009, at 08:45, Paul Durrant wrote:

> Just copy the images to your Sites folder on your iDisk. (The top
> level Sites folder, not the one inside the Web folder.)
>
> The link to anything in there is just
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/username/filename
>
> e.g.
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/durrantsoftware/dingdongbell.jpeg
>
> regards,
>
> Paul
>
> On 9 May 2009, at 08:30, jeremy knight wrote:



From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Sat May  9 12:59:25 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 12:59:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Time Machine and Spotlight
In-Reply-To: <B0E703D0-7FC0-4FBF-B0DE-C077400CC9F6@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C62B2EAD.29A50%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

Yes - I hadnt noticed any turning up in my searches - quick try.... I don't
think they do here.
I'd read you can use spotlight to search Time Machine - maybe I'm just not
cut out to be Dr Who material.

all the best
Brian

Paul Durrant said recently:

> True - but in that case you could enable it again and wait for the
> index to be created.
> 
> By turning it off, you also stop results turning up from your Time
> Machine volume when you're searching all of your computer.
> 
> Paul
> 
> On 8 May 2009, at 22:40, Brian Steere wrote:
> 
>> Unless it should become useful to be able to search it via Spotlight
>> at a
>> future date?
> 
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From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Sat May  9 13:00:27 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 13:00:27 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iweb A waste of space?any suggestions?
In-Reply-To: <5997DC5F-CB0A-41F2-B077-49DAA410A673@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C62B2EEB.29A51%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

Any page on the net will have a link unless its hidden within a frameset.
What do you mean 'support links'?

regards
Brian


jeremy knight said recently:

> Thanks Brian,
> I wondered what other members use to upload their pictures and for
> publishing websites.
> Anything I use must support links.
> jeremy
> On 8 May 2009, at 22:41, Brian Steere wrote:
> 
>> If you just want to upload/show/share images there are numerous free
>> sites
>> such as Flickr etc
>> regards
>> Brian
>> 
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> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Sat May  9 13:04:07 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 13:04:07 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows XP Disc
In-Reply-To: <6910684C459749369A0EEBBA1E0CFA1E@fujitsu>
Message-ID: <C62B2FC7.29A53%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

Hello Peter
But - No they didn't - they just feared they had.
But the resolution wasn't posted back here - which maybe it should so as to
complete the story and not give rise to paranoia.

I'm not saying computing nightmares from Mac Updates cant happen to Mac
users. They do for some - just trawl the discussion boards.

all the best
Brian


Peter James said recently:

> Robbie, then you obviously didn't see the recent thread where someone with a
> MAC was busy losing pictures due to a MAC update !!!!!????
> PJ
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robbie Murray" <macman at f2s.com>
> To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 9:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Windows XP Disc
> 
> 
>> Glad I've got a Mac! .....
>> 
>> Robbie
>> 
>> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From macman at f2s.com  Sat May  9 13:59:31 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 13:59:31 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows XP Disc
In-Reply-To: <4A0568C0.8020906@stackyard.org>
References: <8E18D617-48A7-49F7-B15F-557502C84A30@ntlworld.com>	<64616C0F-F34A-4A0B-B2DC-FAA11A9705FE@simonroyal.co.uk>	<CE7CAD94-38FC-4D96-ABA1-907A7D56CDA5@ntlworld.com>	<27A0DC55-3D20-4D09-AB29-DB1FE22D02E0@durrant.co.uk>	<4A040920.3040404@stackyard.org><0D88B249-58AE-448F-B3D8-55BE9EE34897@ntlworld.com><4A053841.3040805@stackyard.org>	<3580B3E7-9CA9-4720-9F16-6EEE4F9A62A4@f2s.com>	<6910684C459749369A0EEBBA1E0CFA1E@fujitsu>
	<2C200B2B-95F8-4388-817E-90C76E03313D@f2s.com>
	<4A0568C0.8020906@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <B270002D-8CDA-4223-AF96-BE0F66D4A108@f2s.com>

Yep!   Boring old fart, that's me: chained to my Mac, spending my life  
building databases.

But so long as I limit my exposure to Windows, (and let's throw in  
their major re-seller, PC World), I can still have hair and fingernails.

Robbie




On 9 May 2009, at 12:28, Ken Hamer wrote:

No License key!  Where's the fun in THAT?  No thrill of the chase, no
suspense as you await activation, no sense of glorious victory as you
see the magical words "Thank You" appear on the activation screen.  What
a dull life you strive for!

Robbie Murray wrote:
> I recently performed a clean
> install on my son in laws Macbook from the recover disk supplied with
> my iMac - no licence key required .....
>
>
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From ricnev at mac.com  Sat May  9 14:27:56 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 14:27:56 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Iphoto wipe out
In-Reply-To: <C627AE77.7667%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>
References: <C627AE77.7667%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <B7BB029E-09A5-49EA-8C30-2A1D865272E8@mac.com>

Have you had any success finding your lost photos yet Liz?

Now that the smoke has died down from the first NMUG basics course, I  
can pop my head over the parapet and offer to help.

Please email me if you still have problems, or if you've found them,  
let us know how you located them.


On 6 May 2009, at 21:15, Liz wrote:

> My new iPhoto ?09 requested an update today.  When I denied that I  
> wanted
> one the window kept popping up until I agreed.  The programme  
> immediately
> wiped 3,000 images off my library and I can find no way of getting  
> them
> back.  I tried Time Machine but it keeps telling me I need an Apple  
> wireless
> device to set it up (I thought it WAS set up!).  I don?t know what  
> it?s
> talking about.
>
> A lot of the images I have on disk but not the last six weeks worth.
>
> The system seems to have crashed since if I open iPhoto I cannot  
> quit it.
>
> Anyone got any bright ideas?
>
> Liz Barnard
>

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com





From thegees at jennygee.f2s.com  Sat May  9 15:25:37 2009
From: thegees at jennygee.f2s.com (Malcolm Gee)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 15:25:37 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Problems with the Canon G10 camera!!
In-Reply-To: <B7BB029E-09A5-49EA-8C30-2A1D865272E8@mac.com>
References: <C627AE77.7667%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>
	<B7BB029E-09A5-49EA-8C30-2A1D865272E8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E566DABF-B4A6-4F3C-B118-796174E140C5@jennygee.f2s.com>

Dear all photo enthusiasts,

Slightly off the Mac theme, however as I know that some of you have  
recently purchased the Canon G10 camera, are you aware of some  
potential problems that have been built into some of the cameras  
recently on sale?

For further details please go to the following links:-

http://www.canon.co.uk/Support/System/Search.aspx?TcmUri=tcm: 
14-644511&Search=G10&SearchType=3

http://www.canon.co.uk/Support/consumer_products/services_locator/ 
index.aspx


Regards,

Malcolm.


From thegees at jennygee.f2s.com  Sat May  9 15:38:36 2009
From: thegees at jennygee.f2s.com (Malcolm Gee)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 15:38:36 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Problems with the Canon G10 camera!!
In-Reply-To: <E566DABF-B4A6-4F3C-B118-796174E140C5@jennygee.f2s.com>
References: <C627AE77.7667%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>
	<B7BB029E-09A5-49EA-8C30-2A1D865272E8@mac.com>
	<E566DABF-B4A6-4F3C-B118-796174E140C5@jennygee.f2s.com>
Message-ID: <25B37E17-055F-4054-BA76-1D81BE26FEC0@jennygee.f2s.com>

Dear All,

Apologies for the corrupt link in my recent e-mail to the Group. It  
should have been:-


http://www.canon.co.uk/Support/Consumer_Products/products/cameras/ 
Digital_Compact/Powershot_G_series/PowerShot_G10.aspx


Regards,

Malcolm.


On 9 May 2009, at 15:25, Malcolm Gee wrote:

> Dear all photo enthusiasts,
>
> Slightly off the Mac theme, however as I know that some of you have
> recently purchased the Canon G10 camera, are you aware of some
> potential problems that have been built into some of the cameras
> recently on sale?
>
> For further details please go to the following links:-
>
> http://www.canon.co.uk/Support/System/Search.aspx?TcmUri=tcm:
> 14-644511&Search=G10&SearchType=3
>
> http://www.canon.co.uk/Support/consumer_products/services_locator/
> index.aspx
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Malcolm.
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Sat May  9 16:01:51 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 16:01:51 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Problems with the Canon G10 camera!!
In-Reply-To: <25B37E17-055F-4054-BA76-1D81BE26FEC0@jennygee.f2s.com>
References: <C627AE77.7667%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>
	<B7BB029E-09A5-49EA-8C30-2A1D865272E8@mac.com>
	<E566DABF-B4A6-4F3C-B118-796174E140C5@jennygee.f2s.com>
	<25B37E17-055F-4054-BA76-1D81BE26FEC0@jennygee.f2s.com>
Message-ID: <92F491D4-5ED1-48C5-8E4A-BD027577CF77@virgin.net>

hi Malcolm

Thanks for that info.

Luckily my serial no's is  84 just missing the problem it seems.

Very impressed with the quality of images from this camera.  How  
about you?

Regards

martin




> Canon PowerShot G10.



From ricnev at mac.com  Sat May  9 16:04:53 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 16:04:53 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Problems with the Canon G10 camera!!
In-Reply-To: <E566DABF-B4A6-4F3C-B118-796174E140C5@jennygee.f2s.com>
References: <C627AE77.7667%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>
	<B7BB029E-09A5-49EA-8C30-2A1D865272E8@mac.com>
	<E566DABF-B4A6-4F3C-B118-796174E140C5@jennygee.f2s.com>
Message-ID: <499E231B-FDDD-472C-884D-18C182E4F093@mac.com>

For those who may be having problems opening these links, I've  
converted them into TinyURLs:

http://tinyurl.com/og6r7g

http://tinyurl.com/oseayj

Richard Nevill


On 9 May 2009, at 15:25, Malcolm Gee wrote:

> Dear all photo enthusiasts,
>
> Slightly off the Mac theme, however as I know that some of you have
> recently purchased the Canon G10 camera, are you aware of some
> potential problems that have been built into some of the cameras
> recently on sale?
>
> For further details please go to the following links:-
>
> http://www.canon.co.uk/Support/System/Search.aspx?TcmUri=tcm:
> 14-644511&Search=G10&SearchType=3
>
> http://www.canon.co.uk/Support/consumer_products/services_locator/
> index.aspx
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Malcolm.
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com





From p.hunter at ntlworld.com  Sat May  9 16:31:24 2009
From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 16:31:24 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows XP Disc
In-Reply-To: <4A053841.3040805@stackyard.org>
References: <8E18D617-48A7-49F7-B15F-557502C84A30@ntlworld.com>	<64616C0F-F34A-4A0B-B2DC-FAA11A9705FE@simonroyal.co.uk>	<CE7CAD94-38FC-4D96-ABA1-907A7D56CDA5@ntlworld.com>	<27A0DC55-3D20-4D09-AB29-DB1FE22D02E0@durrant.co.uk>	<4A040920.3040404@stackyard.org>
	<0D88B249-58AE-448F-B3D8-55BE9EE34897@ntlworld.com>
	<4A053841.3040805@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <C7A82FAC-881F-4339-A3E8-81705D6DC33C@ntlworld.com>

Hi Ken,

I think you are getting a bit confused, maybe mixing up my posting  
with Peter James'.

I haven't tried doing anything with a disc yet as I don't have one. So  
I haven't tried typing in any codes or activation yet.
I have been on the Medion website, downloaded all the drivers in  
readiness, and downloaded and read the user manual. It says in the  
user manual, under the heading System Recovery: 'If the system fails  
to start or has errors or faults, put the Restore CD in the CD drive  
and re-boot the computer. This will then load a program into memory  
that will access the files stored in the E: partition, and re-install  
Windows back to its original state'. As you say, some of these  
computers are a bit obscure in the way they are manufactured.

I am suitably qualified to Comptia A+, with many years experience with  
PCs going back to MS DOS 2.1, so what you have suggested is not too  
much of a problem for me to handle if I have to go down that route.

Once I get an XP Home disc I'll try a clean install, and then load on  
the drivers. If the activation requires that I make a phone call then  
so be it. It isn't that bad a task really, just punch in a list of  
numbers and type in a new list as they are given over the phone.

Anyway, once I have had a chance to get this done I'll report back and  
let everyone know how it went.

Regards, Peter


On 9 May 2009, at 09:01, Ken Hamer wrote:

> Peter,
>
> A couple things.  First of all, did it not like the code when you
> entered it or did it fail activation?  Did you use the telephone
> option?  If the robot woman denied you an activation key, it probably
> means that the code on the Microsoft sticker is for a volume license  
> and
> you're stuck with either buying an OEM version of XP which will come
> with a new sticker or using the recovery partition.  I find it hard to
> believe that you need to use a CD to reinstall when there is a full
> distribution of Windows in the recovery area, although the various DSG
> brands (Packard Bell, Medion, Advent, etc.) are all a bit peculiar in
> various ways.  But I suspect that there is a key sequence to type when
> the machine is going through the BIOS stage of booting (white  
> letters on
> black background or Medion logo) which will cause the machine to boot
> from the recovery partition.  Try looking on the medion web site
> (http://www.medion.co.uk/) under the support tab.  You will need the
> machine's serial number from the tag on the underside to find the  
> manual
> for it on their site.  You could even try calling PC World to ask  
> though
> I suspect you might get more intelligence, wit and sense from the  
> web site.
>
> So if there is a recovery key sequence and you definitely want to
> replace the disk, you need to mirror the old disk to the new one.   
> If it
> were me, I would put the old disk in my Windows machine and use  
> Acronis
> TrueImage to back it up to a file.  Then I would connect the new disk
> and restore to the new drive making the new disk identical to the old
> one.  I would then use Disk Director to expand the main partition to
> fill the available space since the new disk is bigger than the old one
> (the restore will create partitions identical to the original).   
> Then I
> would put the new disk in the machine and boot from the recovery
> partition.  If that all worked, it would need thousands of updates and
> the elimination of all the rubbishware that will have come in from the
> recovery partition as well as restoration of the original personal  
> data
> (scan for viruses first).
>
> Are you sure you're game for this?
>
> You might find that the purchase of a new OEM XP license isn't quite  
> so
> life-threatening.
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> Peter Hunter wrote:
>> Hi Ken,
>>
>> Thanks for the offer of help. I think I am sorted now (or will be by
>> tomorrow).
>> The code is NOT OEM, so only a standard disc for Home edition will  
>> work.
>>
>> The machine is a Medion 2120. I have been in contact with Medion, but
>> they don't have any XP recovery discs in stock. They have offered to
>> reproduce one for me at a cost, but I really need both of my arms and
>> legs!
>>
>> For the time being I have put the new disc in a USB caddy, and
>> formatted it as NTFS. I'm not quite sure how to mirror the old disc.
>> Can I do it with this disc via the USB port? And what software  
>> would I
>> need for this?
>>
>> The Restore partition is 5.95 GB. It contains the full Windows XP
>> files, but you have to boot from the restore CD to get access to  
>> these
>> files. This is done by the software on the restore disc.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> On 8 May 2009, at 11:27, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Peter,
>>>
>>> There is one big possible stumbling block in this and that is that  
>>> not
>>> all distributions are the same.  If the key on the Certificate of
>>> Authority is for a volume distribution, a standard OEM CD will not
>>> work.
>>> Another possibility is to mirror the old disk onto the new one,
>>> although
>>> this requires the use of another machine and software to do it.
>>>
>>> You don't mention the manufacturer of the laptop.  If it's a volume
>>> distro, you might be able to get a CD from them although they vary
>>> hugely in how easy they are to deal with.  How big is the recovery
>>> partition on the old disk?  If it's a few Gb than it probably has a
>>> full
>>> distribution on it and may not need a CD as well.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
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From p.hunter at ntlworld.com  Sat May  9 16:32:55 2009
From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 16:32:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows XP Disc
In-Reply-To: <3580B3E7-9CA9-4720-9F16-6EEE4F9A62A4@f2s.com>
References: <8E18D617-48A7-49F7-B15F-557502C84A30@ntlworld.com>	<64616C0F-F34A-4A0B-B2DC-FAA11A9705FE@simonroyal.co.uk>	<CE7CAD94-38FC-4D96-ABA1-907A7D56CDA5@ntlworld.com>	<27A0DC55-3D20-4D09-AB29-DB1FE22D02E0@durrant.co.uk>	<4A040920.3040404@stackyard.org>
	<0D88B249-58AE-448F-B3D8-55BE9EE34897@ntlworld.com>
	<4A053841.3040805@stackyard.org>
	<3580B3E7-9CA9-4720-9F16-6EEE4F9A62A4@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <9D7B15EB-ADED-454A-9198-E1C98ECF3B2F@ntlworld.com>

Me to Robbie. best move I ever made.

Peter

On 9 May 2009, at 09:30, Robbie Murray wrote:

> Glad I've got a Mac! .....
>
> Robbie
>
>
>



From ricnev at mac.com  Sat May  9 17:23:33 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 17:23:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Basics Course Follow-up
Message-ID: <C6A77113-1DDA-4096-AFC0-B21A72FA6F12@mac.com>

A couple of specific answers to questions raised this morning:

Brian wanted to find an explanation of the Mac Keyboard - I think that  
this link might help a bit:

http://www.danrodney.com/mac/index.html

Seems like a useful site, doesn't it!

I think it was Paul who queried whether Ubuntu Linux could be run on a  
Mac - there seem to be a number of ways of doing it, ranging from  
booting from an Ubuntu live CD-ROM, arranging to dual/triple boot or  
to actually configure your machine to run Ubuntu exclusively -eeugh!  
This is where to find out more:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MactelSupportTeam/AppleIntelInstallation

Although personally I'd be inclined to run it on a virtual machine via  
e.g. Parallels - but of course this would cost a bit which might seem  
a bit contrary to the 'free' ethos of open source software.


A lot of people were wanting help on how to become familiar with the  
general controls for OS 10.4/10.5 - the filing system, the menuing  
system, the various windows and what they do. We'll cover a lot of  
this in future sessions, including a major look at the Finder, but if  
anyone has immediate particular worries, please make use of this forum  
- it's what its for, as a way for us all to find out the easy, simple  
and elegant Mac solutions to problems which sometimes evade us. If  
you're shy or unsure of using this NMUG email list to resolve your  
problem, please send me an email direct, and I'll try to find an  
answer for you.


Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com





From sc at davidviner.com  Sat May  9 17:50:07 2009
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 17:50:07 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Basics Course Follow-up
In-Reply-To: <C6A77113-1DDA-4096-AFC0-B21A72FA6F12@mac.com>
References: <C6A77113-1DDA-4096-AFC0-B21A72FA6F12@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4A05B43F.6090805@davidviner.com>

Richard/Paul

Regarding running Ubuntu on an Intel Mac - VirtualBox 
(www.virtualbox.org) may be an alternative to Parallels. It is also free 
for non-commercial use. Although I've not tried it on a Mac (all mine 
are PPC-based) I use VirtualBox on PCs to test web sites on various 
versions of Linux and other versions of Windows. I have heard that it's 
not quite as stable yet on Macs as it is on Windows but updates seem to 
come regularly (about once a month). I think they only added Mac support 
quite recently (last year sometime).

David

> A couple of specific answers to questions raised this morning:
>
> Brian wanted to find an explanation of the Mac Keyboard - I think that  
> this link might help a bit:
>
> http://www.danrodney.com/mac/index.html
>
> Seems like a useful site, doesn't it!
>
> I think it was Paul who queried whether Ubuntu Linux could be run on a  
> Mac - there seem to be a number of ways of doing it, ranging from  
> booting from an Ubuntu live CD-ROM, arranging to dual/triple boot or  
> to actually configure your machine to run Ubuntu exclusively -eeugh!  
> This is where to find out more:
>
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MactelSupportTeam/AppleIntelInstallation
>
> Although personally I'd be inclined to run it on a virtual machine via  
> e.g. Parallels - but of course this would cost a bit which might seem  
> a bit contrary to the 'free' ethos of open source software.
>
>
> A lot of people were wanting help on how to become familiar with the  
> general controls for OS 10.4/10.5 - the filing system, the menuing  
> system, the various windows and what they do. We'll cover a lot of  
> this in future sessions, including a major look at the Finder, but if  
> anyone has immediate particular worries, please make use of this forum  
> - it's what its for, as a way for us all to find out the easy, simple  
> and elegant Mac solutions to problems which sometimes evade us. If  
> you're shy or unsure of using this NMUG email list to resolve your  
> problem, please send me an email direct, and I'll try to find an  
> answer for you.
>
>
> Richard Nevill
> ricnev at mac.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Sat May  9 18:06:01 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 18:06:01 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows XP Disc
In-Reply-To: <C7A82FAC-881F-4339-A3E8-81705D6DC33C@ntlworld.com>
References: <8E18D617-48A7-49F7-B15F-557502C84A30@ntlworld.com>	<64616C0F-F34A-4A0B-B2DC-FAA11A9705FE@simonroyal.co.uk>	<CE7CAD94-38FC-4D96-ABA1-907A7D56CDA5@ntlworld.com>	<27A0DC55-3D20-4D09-AB29-DB1FE22D02E0@durrant.co.uk>	<4A040920.3040404@stackyard.org>	<0D88B249-58AE-448F-B3D8-55BE9EE34897@ntlworld.com>	<4A053841.3040805@stackyard.org>
	<C7A82FAC-881F-4339-A3E8-81705D6DC33C@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <4A05B7F9.4020602@stackyard.org>

Peter,

I spend most of my life in a state of confusion so I wouldn't be at all 
surprised.  Yes, I thought you had a new disk that you wanted to 
substitute for the old one so forget everything I said.  Sigh.  Sorry.

I still find it unlikely that there is no recovery key sequence in the 
BIOS because that's the whole point of the partition being there.  If 
you have to boot from a recovery CD then why put a recovery partition 
there?  But this is a PC World brand so anything is possible.  They 
might have rushed out an entire range of machines without having put the 
necessaries in the BIOS.  Anyway, have a look through the BIOS 
settings.  I have seen machines with undocumented BIOS features which 
are evident if you look.  The other possibility is to update the BIOS 
first to see if the functionality suddenly appears.

If not, you can still try PC World for a recovery disk although they 
will probably not be helpful and I believe the DSG brands usually use an 
OEM license so I suspect that you don't have to buy XP but just use the 
correct OEM disk while using the machine's existing key when asked.

Best of luck.

Ken

Peter Hunter wrote:
> Hi Ken,
>
> I think you are getting a bit confused, maybe mixing up my posting  
> with Peter James'.
>
> I haven't tried doing anything with a disc yet as I don't have one. So  
> I haven't tried typing in any codes or activation yet.
> I have been on the Medion website, downloaded all the drivers in  
> readiness, and downloaded and read the user manual. It says in the  
> user manual, under the heading System Recovery: 'If the system fails  
> to start or has errors or faults, put the Restore CD in the CD drive  
> and re-boot the computer. This will then load a program into memory  
> that will access the files stored in the E: partition, and re-install  
> Windows back to its original state'. As you say, some of these  
> computers are a bit obscure in the way they are manufactured.
>
> I am suitably qualified to Comptia A+, with many years experience with  
> PCs going back to MS DOS 2.1, so what you have suggested is not too  
> much of a problem for me to handle if I have to go down that route.
>
> Once I get an XP Home disc I'll try a clean install, and then load on  
> the drivers. If the activation requires that I make a phone call then  
> so be it. It isn't that bad a task really, just punch in a list of  
> numbers and type in a new list as they are given over the phone.
>
> Anyway, once I have had a chance to get this done I'll report back and  
> let everyone know how it went.
>
> Regards, Peter
>
>
> On 9 May 2009, at 09:01, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
>   
>> Peter,
>>
>> A couple things.  First of all, did it not like the code when you
>> entered it or did it fail activation?  Did you use the telephone
>> option?  If the robot woman denied you an activation key, it probably
>> means that the code on the Microsoft sticker is for a volume license  
>> and
>> you're stuck with either buying an OEM version of XP which will come
>> with a new sticker or using the recovery partition.  I find it hard to
>> believe that you need to use a CD to reinstall when there is a full
>> distribution of Windows in the recovery area, although the various DSG
>> brands (Packard Bell, Medion, Advent, etc.) are all a bit peculiar in
>> various ways.  But I suspect that there is a key sequence to type when
>> the machine is going through the BIOS stage of booting (white  
>> letters on
>> black background or Medion logo) which will cause the machine to boot
>> from the recovery partition.  Try looking on the medion web site
>> (http://www.medion.co.uk/) under the support tab.  You will need the
>> machine's serial number from the tag on the underside to find the  
>> manual
>> for it on their site.  You could even try calling PC World to ask  
>> though
>> I suspect you might get more intelligence, wit and sense from the  
>> web site.
>>
>> So if there is a recovery key sequence and you definitely want to
>> replace the disk, you need to mirror the old disk to the new one.   
>> If it
>> were me, I would put the old disk in my Windows machine and use  
>> Acronis
>> TrueImage to back it up to a file.  Then I would connect the new disk
>> and restore to the new drive making the new disk identical to the old
>> one.  I would then use Disk Director to expand the main partition to
>> fill the available space since the new disk is bigger than the old one
>> (the restore will create partitions identical to the original).   
>> Then I
>> would put the new disk in the machine and boot from the recovery
>> partition.  If that all worked, it would need thousands of updates and
>> the elimination of all the rubbishware that will have come in from the
>> recovery partition as well as restoration of the original personal  
>> data
>> (scan for viruses first).
>>
>> Are you sure you're game for this?
>>
>> You might find that the purchase of a new OEM XP license isn't quite  
>> so
>> life-threatening.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter Hunter wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi Ken,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the offer of help. I think I am sorted now (or will be by
>>> tomorrow).
>>> The code is NOT OEM, so only a standard disc for Home edition will  
>>> work.
>>>
>>> The machine is a Medion 2120. I have been in contact with Medion, but
>>> they don't have any XP recovery discs in stock. They have offered to
>>> reproduce one for me at a cost, but I really need both of my arms and
>>> legs!
>>>
>>> For the time being I have put the new disc in a USB caddy, and
>>> formatted it as NTFS. I'm not quite sure how to mirror the old disc.
>>> Can I do it with this disc via the USB port? And what software  
>>> would I
>>> need for this?
>>>
>>> The Restore partition is 5.95 GB. It contains the full Windows XP
>>> files, but you have to boot from the restore CD to get access to  
>>> these
>>> files. This is done by the software on the restore disc.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> On 8 May 2009, at 11:27, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Peter,
>>>>
>>>> There is one big possible stumbling block in this and that is that  
>>>> not
>>>> all distributions are the same.  If the key on the Certificate of
>>>> Authority is for a volume distribution, a standard OEM CD will not
>>>> work.
>>>> Another possibility is to mirror the old disk onto the new one,
>>>> although
>>>> this requires the use of another machine and software to do it.
>>>>
>>>> You don't mention the manufacturer of the laptop.  If it's a volume
>>>> distro, you might be able to get a CD from them although they vary
>>>> hugely in how easy they are to deal with.  How big is the recovery
>>>> partition on the old disk?  If it's a few Gb than it probably has a
>>>> full
>>>> distribution on it and may not need a CD as well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
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>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
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> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From p.hunter at ntlworld.com  Sat May  9 18:40:31 2009
From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 18:40:31 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows XP Disc
In-Reply-To: <4A05B7F9.4020602@stackyard.org>
References: <8E18D617-48A7-49F7-B15F-557502C84A30@ntlworld.com>	<64616C0F-F34A-4A0B-B2DC-FAA11A9705FE@simonroyal.co.uk>	<CE7CAD94-38FC-4D96-ABA1-907A7D56CDA5@ntlworld.com>	<27A0DC55-3D20-4D09-AB29-DB1FE22D02E0@durrant.co.uk>	<4A040920.3040404@stackyard.org>	<0D88B249-58AE-448F-B3D8-55BE9EE34897@ntlworld.com>	<4A053841.3040805@stackyard.org>
	<C7A82FAC-881F-4339-A3E8-81705D6DC33C@ntlworld.com>
	<4A05B7F9.4020602@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <47009750-64C4-4B46-AA41-90FFF9FAD1C7@ntlworld.com>

Interesting thought there Ken. I had looked in the BIOS, with the same  
logic that you have, but couldn't see anything. However, one of the  
downloads that I got from the Medion website is a BIOS update. So I  
might just instal that and see what happens.

I don't think the words PC World and Helpful go together do they!!

Cheers, Peter


On 9 May 2009, at 18:06, Ken Hamer wrote:

> Peter,
>
> I spend most of my life in a state of confusion so I wouldn't be at  
> all
> surprised.  Yes, I thought you had a new disk that you wanted to
> substitute for the old one so forget everything I said.  Sigh.  Sorry.
>
> I still find it unlikely that there is no recovery key sequence in the
> BIOS because that's the whole point of the partition being there.  If
> you have to boot from a recovery CD then why put a recovery partition
> there?  But this is a PC World brand so anything is possible.  They
> might have rushed out an entire range of machines without having put  
> the
> necessaries in the BIOS.  Anyway, have a look through the BIOS
> settings.  I have seen machines with undocumented BIOS features which
> are evident if you look.  The other possibility is to update the BIOS
> first to see if the functionality suddenly appears.
>
> If not, you can still try PC World for a recovery disk although they
> will probably not be helpful and I believe the DSG brands usually  
> use an
> OEM license so I suspect that you don't have to buy XP but just use  
> the
> correct OEM disk while using the machine's existing key when asked.
>
> Best of luck.
>
> Ken
>
> Peter Hunter wrote:
>> Hi Ken,
>>
>> I think you are getting a bit confused, maybe mixing up my posting
>> with Peter James'.
>>
>> I haven't tried doing anything with a disc yet as I don't have one.  
>> So
>> I haven't tried typing in any codes or activation yet.
>> I have been on the Medion website, downloaded all the drivers in
>> readiness, and downloaded and read the user manual. It says in the
>> user manual, under the heading System Recovery: 'If the system fails
>> to start or has errors or faults, put the Restore CD in the CD drive
>> and re-boot the computer. This will then load a program into memory
>> that will access the files stored in the E: partition, and re-install
>> Windows back to its original state'. As you say, some of these
>> computers are a bit obscure in the way they are manufactured.
>>
>> I am suitably qualified to Comptia A+, with many years experience  
>> with
>> PCs going back to MS DOS 2.1, so what you have suggested is not too
>> much of a problem for me to handle if I have to go down that route.
>>
>> Once I get an XP Home disc I'll try a clean install, and then load on
>> the drivers. If the activation requires that I make a phone call then
>> so be it. It isn't that bad a task really, just punch in a list of
>> numbers and type in a new list as they are given over the phone.
>>
>> Anyway, once I have had a chance to get this done I'll report back  
>> and
>> let everyone know how it went.
>>
>> Regards, Peter
>>
>>
>> On 9 May 2009, at 09:01, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Peter,
>>>
>>> A couple things.  First of all, did it not like the code when you
>>> entered it or did it fail activation?  Did you use the telephone
>>> option?  If the robot woman denied you an activation key, it  
>>> probably
>>> means that the code on the Microsoft sticker is for a volume license
>>> and
>>> you're stuck with either buying an OEM version of XP which will come
>>> with a new sticker or using the recovery partition.  I find it  
>>> hard to
>>> believe that you need to use a CD to reinstall when there is a full
>>> distribution of Windows in the recovery area, although the various  
>>> DSG
>>> brands (Packard Bell, Medion, Advent, etc.) are all a bit peculiar  
>>> in
>>> various ways.  But I suspect that there is a key sequence to type  
>>> when
>>> the machine is going through the BIOS stage of booting (white
>>> letters on
>>> black background or Medion logo) which will cause the machine to  
>>> boot
>>> from the recovery partition.  Try looking on the medion web site
>>> (http://www.medion.co.uk/) under the support tab.  You will need the
>>> machine's serial number from the tag on the underside to find the
>>> manual
>>> for it on their site.  You could even try calling PC World to ask
>>> though
>>> I suspect you might get more intelligence, wit and sense from the
>>> web site.
>>>
>>> So if there is a recovery key sequence and you definitely want to
>>> replace the disk, you need to mirror the old disk to the new one.
>>> If it
>>> were me, I would put the old disk in my Windows machine and use
>>> Acronis
>>> TrueImage to back it up to a file.  Then I would connect the new  
>>> disk
>>> and restore to the new drive making the new disk identical to the  
>>> old
>>> one.  I would then use Disk Director to expand the main partition to
>>> fill the available space since the new disk is bigger than the old  
>>> one
>>> (the restore will create partitions identical to the original).
>>> Then I
>>> would put the new disk in the machine and boot from the recovery
>>> partition.  If that all worked, it would need thousands of updates  
>>> and
>>> the elimination of all the rubbishware that will have come in from  
>>> the
>>> recovery partition as well as restoration of the original personal
>>> data
>>> (scan for viruses first).
>>>
>>> Are you sure you're game for this?
>>>
>>> You might find that the purchase of a new OEM XP license isn't quite
>>> so
>>> life-threatening.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Peter Hunter wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Ken,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the offer of help. I think I am sorted now (or will be  
>>>> by
>>>> tomorrow).
>>>> The code is NOT OEM, so only a standard disc for Home edition will
>>>> work.
>>>>
>>>> The machine is a Medion 2120. I have been in contact with Medion,  
>>>> but
>>>> they don't have any XP recovery discs in stock. They have offered  
>>>> to
>>>> reproduce one for me at a cost, but I really need both of my arms  
>>>> and
>>>> legs!
>>>>
>>>> For the time being I have put the new disc in a USB caddy, and
>>>> formatted it as NTFS. I'm not quite sure how to mirror the old  
>>>> disc.
>>>> Can I do it with this disc via the USB port? And what software
>>>> would I
>>>> need for this?
>>>>
>>>> The Restore partition is 5.95 GB. It contains the full Windows XP
>>>> files, but you have to boot from the restore CD to get access to
>>>> these
>>>> files. This is done by the software on the restore disc.
>>>>
>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>> On 8 May 2009, at 11:27, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Peter,
>>>>>
>>>>> There is one big possible stumbling block in this and that is that
>>>>> not
>>>>> all distributions are the same.  If the key on the Certificate of
>>>>> Authority is for a volume distribution, a standard OEM CD will not
>>>>> work.
>>>>> Another possibility is to mirror the old disk onto the new one,
>>>>> although
>>>>> this requires the use of another machine and software to do it.
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't mention the manufacturer of the laptop.  If it's a  
>>>>> volume
>>>>> distro, you might be able to get a CD from them although they vary
>>>>> hugely in how easy they are to deal with.  How big is the recovery
>>>>> partition on the old disk?  If it's a few Gb than it probably  
>>>>> has a
>>>>> full
>>>>> distribution on it and may not need a CD as well.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Sat May  9 20:27:05 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 20:27:05 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Problems with the Canon G10 camera!!
In-Reply-To: <E566DABF-B4A6-4F3C-B118-796174E140C5@jennygee.f2s.com>
References: <C627AE77.7667%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>
	<B7BB029E-09A5-49EA-8C30-2A1D865272E8@mac.com>
	<E566DABF-B4A6-4F3C-B118-796174E140C5@jennygee.f2s.com>
Message-ID: <D3F39F90-BFE7-4025-9070-469DA1260385@zen.co.uk>

I have one of the cameras with a serial number in the range affected.  
So far I have not seen any issues.....

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 9 May 2009, at 15:25, Malcolm Gee wrote:

> Dear all photo enthusiasts,
>
> Slightly off the Mac theme, however as I know that some of you have
> recently purchased the Canon G10 camera, are you aware of some
> potential problems that have been built into some of the cameras
> recently on sale?
>
> For further details please go to the following links:-
>
> http://www.canon.co.uk/Support/System/Search.aspx?TcmUri=tcm:
> 14-644511&Search=G10&SearchType=3
>
> http://www.canon.co.uk/Support/consumer_products/services_locator/
> index.aspx
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Malcolm.
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From lizbarnard at btinternet.com  Sat May  9 22:42:01 2009
From: lizbarnard at btinternet.com (Liz)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 22:42:01 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] FW: NMUG Digest, Vol 64, Issue 25
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1241866802.81345.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C62BB739.76D8%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>


Loss of pointers to the data (which is what the user in the 'lost'
iPhoto has experienced - not for the first time I add, and so
gefingerpoken issues cannot be ruled out) is something Apple should
indeed get better control over. It should be completely impossible for
an upgrade not to recognize the path previously followed by the
earlier version. There couldn't be any gefingerpoken issues if there's
nowhere to poke ze fingers, nein? (or even ten)

God, Stefan, you are a cheeky bugger.  How you can possibly refer to
clicking ?update now?, when the system gives you no choice, as a
?gefingerpoken issue? is just downright rude.  Could you lay off insulting
your fellow NMUG members for a change - please?

Liz


From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net  Sat May  9 23:09:51 2009
From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 23:09:51 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Todays Basic Course
Message-ID: <12817428-4D71-4FAF-805B-E98A0A16F6B1@virgin.net>

Hello

Many thanks to Alan & Richard and to everyone else who contributed to  
the Basic Mac course today.
Promises to be very informative.

Celia. 


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat May  9 23:37:22 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sat,  9 May 2009 23:37:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Stefan... And Others
Message-ID: <MJS4b1vtjYCM.lyTS1KWc@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I have just read the reply by Liz regarding Stefan and I was a bit shocked.

This is a light hearted group and while Stefan may come across rude in some of comments I am sure it is not meant with any malice.

I am putting my word in for Stefan as someone who has probably been on the end of his silver tongue more often than anyone else.

I myself can be a tad too quick to type a somewhat harsh or abrupt reply to some peoples posts. But more often than not it is not meant to be demeaning or condisending (i know that is spelt wrong).

Some of us need to both bear in mind others level of knowledge as well as their feelings. While we may not mean anything by what we say, it can come across that way.

We also need to bear in mind there are about 100 members on this list and keep on topic and in good taste, something I know I have been guilty of forgetting in the past.

Also, advice and guidance given on this list is done so free of charge, in our own time and out of the love for all things Apple.

Stefan is one of the most knowledgable members of time and even with my vast experience have learnt a lot from him and others from this group and value it highly.

Well that is my say any how.

Simon

 --- visit my Mac website at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - (sent using a Nokia N82)



From kelvinyoungs at mac.com  Sat May  9 23:39:51 2009
From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 23:39:51 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Stefan... And Others
In-Reply-To: <MJS4b1vtjYCM.lyTS1KWc@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <MJS4b1vtjYCM.lyTS1KWc@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6CCD4C16-2E07-4D4B-8D4B-D00DA50569E6@mac.com>

Very nice email Simon.

On 9 May 2009, at 23:37, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> I have just read the reply by Liz regarding Stefan and I was a bit  
> shocked.



From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com  Sat May  9 23:45:34 2009
From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 23:45:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Stefan... And Others
In-Reply-To: <MJS4b1vtjYCM.lyTS1KWc@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <MJS4b1vtjYCM.lyTS1KWc@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <698BFFFD-1EBE-42AD-A81A-3686435ADD8E@gmail.com>

As in any family, tensions can run a bit high if someone uses their  
long standing position to put another down. Being venerable is no  
excuse for rudeness!!!
Richard
rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com



On 9 May 2009, at 23:37, Simon Royal wrote:

>  the end of his silver tongue



From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Sat May  9 23:48:10 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Sat, 09 May 2009 23:48:10 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows XP Disc
In-Reply-To: <47009750-64C4-4B46-AA41-90FFF9FAD1C7@ntlworld.com>
References: <8E18D617-48A7-49F7-B15F-557502C84A30@ntlworld.com>	<64616C0F-F34A-4A0B-B2DC-FAA11A9705FE@simonroyal.co.uk>	<CE7CAD94-38FC-4D96-ABA1-907A7D56CDA5@ntlworld.com>	<27A0DC55-3D20-4D09-AB29-DB1FE22D02E0@durrant.co.uk>	<4A040920.3040404@stackyard.org>	<0D88B249-58AE-448F-B3D8-55BE9EE34897@ntlworld.com>	<4A053841.3040805@stackyard.org>	<C7A82FAC-881F-4339-A3E8-81705D6DC33C@ntlworld.com>	<4A05B7F9.4020602@stackyard.org>
	<47009750-64C4-4B46-AA41-90FFF9FAD1C7@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <4A06082A.5080208@stackyard.org>

I once got a call from a new customer.  I said hello when I picked up 
the phone and instead of saying hello in reply, he simply started 
shouting "I've just been on the phone for hours with those f****** 
people at PC World...." and the rant continued for about a minute or two 
until he had let out all his pent-up frustration.  I can't actually 
remember what his problem was - something fairly trivial - and I can't 
recall the details but he had had what could only be described as a 
sub-standard support experience. 

Another customer had spent 2 DAYS at PC World while the guys behind the 
desk tried to get his ASUS netbook to connect a network drive from his 
Vista laptop.  Yes, that was two, full, 8-hour consecutive days.  When 
he got the two machines home, they couldn't connect.  Now network drives 
in Windows are a pain but it's not rocket science or anything.  It only 
took about 15 minutes to set up the necessary accounts on each machine 
and it was fine.  That included sharing out the printer attached to the 
Vista machine.  What, I am still wondering, were the PC World guys doing 
for 2 days??  And it wasn't like they put it on a shelf and did it when 
they could - they knew he was standing there so there was at least 1 man 
on it for two days - sometimes 2 or more guys.  That was his story anyway.

So, as you say....

Ken

Peter Hunter wrote:
> Interesting thought there Ken. I had looked in the BIOS, with the same  
> logic that you have, but couldn't see anything. However, one of the  
> downloads that I got from the Medion website is a BIOS update. So I  
> might just instal that and see what happens.
>
> I don't think the words PC World and Helpful go together do they!!
>
> Cheers, Peter
>
>
> On 9 May 2009, at 18:06, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
>   
>> Peter,
>>
>> I spend most of my life in a state of confusion so I wouldn't be at  
>> all
>> surprised.  Yes, I thought you had a new disk that you wanted to
>> substitute for the old one so forget everything I said.  Sigh.  Sorry.
>>
>> I still find it unlikely that there is no recovery key sequence in the
>> BIOS because that's the whole point of the partition being there.  If
>> you have to boot from a recovery CD then why put a recovery partition
>> there?  But this is a PC World brand so anything is possible.  They
>> might have rushed out an entire range of machines without having put  
>> the
>> necessaries in the BIOS.  Anyway, have a look through the BIOS
>> settings.  I have seen machines with undocumented BIOS features which
>> are evident if you look.  The other possibility is to update the BIOS
>> first to see if the functionality suddenly appears.
>>
>> If not, you can still try PC World for a recovery disk although they
>> will probably not be helpful and I believe the DSG brands usually  
>> use an
>> OEM license so I suspect that you don't have to buy XP but just use  
>> the
>> correct OEM disk while using the machine's existing key when asked.
>>
>> Best of luck.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> Peter Hunter wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi Ken,
>>>
>>> I think you are getting a bit confused, maybe mixing up my posting
>>> with Peter James'.
>>>
>>> I haven't tried doing anything with a disc yet as I don't have one.  
>>> So
>>> I haven't tried typing in any codes or activation yet.
>>> I have been on the Medion website, downloaded all the drivers in
>>> readiness, and downloaded and read the user manual. It says in the
>>> user manual, under the heading System Recovery: 'If the system fails
>>> to start or has errors or faults, put the Restore CD in the CD drive
>>> and re-boot the computer. This will then load a program into memory
>>> that will access the files stored in the E: partition, and re-install
>>> Windows back to its original state'. As you say, some of these
>>> computers are a bit obscure in the way they are manufactured.
>>>
>>> I am suitably qualified to Comptia A+, with many years experience  
>>> with
>>> PCs going back to MS DOS 2.1, so what you have suggested is not too
>>> much of a problem for me to handle if I have to go down that route.
>>>
>>> Once I get an XP Home disc I'll try a clean install, and then load on
>>> the drivers. If the activation requires that I make a phone call then
>>> so be it. It isn't that bad a task really, just punch in a list of
>>> numbers and type in a new list as they are given over the phone.
>>>
>>> Anyway, once I have had a chance to get this done I'll report back  
>>> and
>>> let everyone know how it went.
>>>
>>> Regards, Peter
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9 May 2009, at 09:01, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Peter,
>>>>
>>>> A couple things.  First of all, did it not like the code when you
>>>> entered it or did it fail activation?  Did you use the telephone
>>>> option?  If the robot woman denied you an activation key, it  
>>>> probably
>>>> means that the code on the Microsoft sticker is for a volume license
>>>> and
>>>> you're stuck with either buying an OEM version of XP which will come
>>>> with a new sticker or using the recovery partition.  I find it  
>>>> hard to
>>>> believe that you need to use a CD to reinstall when there is a full
>>>> distribution of Windows in the recovery area, although the various  
>>>> DSG
>>>> brands (Packard Bell, Medion, Advent, etc.) are all a bit peculiar  
>>>> in
>>>> various ways.  But I suspect that there is a key sequence to type  
>>>> when
>>>> the machine is going through the BIOS stage of booting (white
>>>> letters on
>>>> black background or Medion logo) which will cause the machine to  
>>>> boot
>>>> from the recovery partition.  Try looking on the medion web site
>>>> (http://www.medion.co.uk/) under the support tab.  You will need the
>>>> machine's serial number from the tag on the underside to find the
>>>> manual
>>>> for it on their site.  You could even try calling PC World to ask
>>>> though
>>>> I suspect you might get more intelligence, wit and sense from the
>>>> web site.
>>>>
>>>> So if there is a recovery key sequence and you definitely want to
>>>> replace the disk, you need to mirror the old disk to the new one.
>>>> If it
>>>> were me, I would put the old disk in my Windows machine and use
>>>> Acronis
>>>> TrueImage to back it up to a file.  Then I would connect the new  
>>>> disk
>>>> and restore to the new drive making the new disk identical to the  
>>>> old
>>>> one.  I would then use Disk Director to expand the main partition to
>>>> fill the available space since the new disk is bigger than the old  
>>>> one
>>>> (the restore will create partitions identical to the original).
>>>> Then I
>>>> would put the new disk in the machine and boot from the recovery
>>>> partition.  If that all worked, it would need thousands of updates  
>>>> and
>>>> the elimination of all the rubbishware that will have come in from  
>>>> the
>>>> recovery partition as well as restoration of the original personal
>>>> data
>>>> (scan for viruses first).
>>>>
>>>> Are you sure you're game for this?
>>>>
>>>> You might find that the purchase of a new OEM XP license isn't quite
>>>> so
>>>> life-threatening.
>>>>
>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Peter Hunter wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Hi Ken,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the offer of help. I think I am sorted now (or will be  
>>>>> by
>>>>> tomorrow).
>>>>> The code is NOT OEM, so only a standard disc for Home edition will
>>>>> work.
>>>>>
>>>>> The machine is a Medion 2120. I have been in contact with Medion,  
>>>>> but
>>>>> they don't have any XP recovery discs in stock. They have offered  
>>>>> to
>>>>> reproduce one for me at a cost, but I really need both of my arms  
>>>>> and
>>>>> legs!
>>>>>
>>>>> For the time being I have put the new disc in a USB caddy, and
>>>>> formatted it as NTFS. I'm not quite sure how to mirror the old  
>>>>> disc.
>>>>> Can I do it with this disc via the USB port? And what software
>>>>> would I
>>>>> need for this?
>>>>>
>>>>> The Restore partition is 5.95 GB. It contains the full Windows XP
>>>>> files, but you have to boot from the restore CD to get access to
>>>>> these
>>>>> files. This is done by the software on the restore disc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8 May 2009, at 11:27, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Peter,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is one big possible stumbling block in this and that is that
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> all distributions are the same.  If the key on the Certificate of
>>>>>> Authority is for a volume distribution, a standard OEM CD will not
>>>>>> work.
>>>>>> Another possibility is to mirror the old disk onto the new one,
>>>>>> although
>>>>>> this requires the use of another machine and software to do it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't mention the manufacturer of the laptop.  If it's a  
>>>>>> volume
>>>>>> distro, you might be able to get a CD from them although they vary
>>>>>> hugely in how easy they are to deal with.  How big is the recovery
>>>>>> partition on the old disk?  If it's a few Gb than it probably  
>>>>>> has a
>>>>>> full
>>>>>> distribution on it and may not need a CD as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NMUG mailing list
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
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From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com  Sat May  9 23:58:27 2009
From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 23:58:27 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Liz support
Message-ID: <9E853FCA-1486-4671-A938-CB832CA239C8@gmail.com>

While I'm sure Liz is quite capable of standing up for herself, it  
does seem, in this otherwise very pleasant "family", you have to bark  
back to get someone to realise that rudeness from whatever corner is  
still rudeness. so can we see good manners all round please and thank- 
you.
Richard
rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com





From footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk  Sun May 10 00:52:52 2009
From: footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk (joe butler)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 23:52:52 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NMUG] Wanted G3 Powermac
Message-ID: <115283.78202.qm@web26704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>



Hi?all
?
Having given away about 30 off the buggers in the last few years I find myself in need of one for a project I'm working on, I'm looking to pay as little as possible as there old and crap! as long as it will run tiger ( very slowly is fine!) I'm happy. Even a beige one would do the job.
At a real push a G3 imac would do the job ( given loads of them away as well!)
?
Thanks
Joe?


      

From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Sun May 10 01:17:25 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 01:17:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mice at dawn
In-Reply-To: <mailman.742.1241909299.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.742.1241909299.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C32ED317-93B3-4A3B-AEF4-EA08292D5D7E@gmail.com>


On 9 May 2009, at 23:48, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:

> From: Richard Stewart <rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Stefan... And Others
>
>
> As in any family, tensions can run a bit high if someone uses their
> long standing position to put another down. Being venerable is no
> excuse for rudeness!!!
> Richard
> rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com

I regard this unwarranted admonition as being rude.

You are hereby challenged to a duel. Mice at dawn.




From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Sun May 10 01:38:40 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 01:38:40 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] The saga of 'losing' your iPhoto albums
Message-ID: <6EE9E6C3-6E8E-48DB-8725-9072C85F71AB@gmail.com>

Me! Cheeky!  ???  Methinks she doth protest too much.. I am like a  
shiny apple waiting for the teacher.

A search on iPhoto 9 losing images produced.. precisely zero hits. In  
other words of the hundreds of thousands of people who have done this  
upgrade.. nobody has reported this problem to Apple.

I have personal experience of recovering this user's supposedly 'lost'  
albums in very similar circumstances. I suggested at the time she note  
what I did to recover. . Many will be familiar with the user who  
claims not to have done a thing, yet still something is cocked up, as  
if Apple would allow a product out the door without a single bit of  
elementary testing.

SOMEHOW, i doubt this.


  However... here is an interesting parallel from years ago...




hello
i store most of my photos (about 7,000) on an external hard drive.  
last night i went to look for some specific photos, which were in  
various albums. i did this by starting iphoto with the option key held  
down, and "telling" iphoto to find my library in that location. a  
warning came up telling me that iphoto needed to update the library in  
order to open it. so i did. now when i go to that external hard drive,  
all the albums are missing. and lots of the photos are missing too!  
the albums are still located on my computer's iphoto location, but  
they are empty because i transferred all the photos that were in them  
to the external location.
before i upgraded, everything was in place on the external hard drive  
- all my photos, located in their appropriate albums. now, no albums,  
many missing photos. HELP!

g4 - 17" laptop   Mac OS X (10.4.3)   i'm using iphoto 4.0.4





	
Brie Fly


Posts: 4,592
From: SW Texas
Registered: Aug 27, 2004
Re: forced upgrade caused me to lose my albums and lots of photos
Posted: Dec 29, 2006 11:35 AM    in response to: pmollica	 	

Not sure where to start...

I'm not sure there is an iPhoto 4.0.4, and I'm not aware of any  
"forced upgrades" -- based on your discription, I'm going to guess  
that you corrupted your photo library when you started to  
indiscriminately move files (and/or folders) from the iPhoto Library  
folder. On the subsequent launch, iPhoto couldn't make sense of what  
it found in the iPhoto Library folder, and assumed it was some earlier  
format.

Part of the problem stems from your mistaken impression that albums  
contain any photos. Those album folders (that can be seen in a Finder  
view) contain the pointers that iPhoto uses (needs, actually) to  
display album groupings that you've constructed in iPhoto. Moving an  
album folder in Finder doesn't do anything other than make it  
impossible for iPhoto to find those links it expects to find.

iPhoto always opens (by default) to the previously used iPhoto  
Library. You said you have various albums, but that you started iPhoto  
while holding the option key to select a different "album". The option  
key on start-up is used to open a different photo "library", not  
"album". So, before we try to fix anything, I suppose we need to make  
sure we're talking about the same thing.

Do you have multiple iPhoto Library folders? How many? Where (which  
drive(s)) are they located?


From lizbarnard at btinternet.com  Sun May 10 06:22:18 2009
From: lizbarnard at btinternet.com (Liz)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 06:22:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Re Stefan...and others
Message-ID: <C62C231A.76E3%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>

....and I was a bit shocked.

Not half as shocked as I was to see it there in the first place, Simon.  I
thought this forum was a platform for sharing technical information and
advice - to help people less skilled and expert than oneself - not an
opportunity to take sideswipes at their intelligence.

However, I would like to apologise for for having upset your feelings,
Simon...and would welcome an apology from Stefan for having upset mine
(before I unsubscribe and join SMUG).

Liz


From nathan.crosby at virgin.net  Sun May 10 09:24:54 2009
From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 09:24:54 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Inboxl -2 items will not delete
Message-ID: <1E0E7839-04BA-487B-9323-8DCDAE93D5D5@virgin.net>

I have two items in my Mail inbox that I can't delete. The contents  
have been deleted but the headers remain. I can't drag them or delete  
by the normal means.
A search reveals nothing.  One item is 'Topaz Trial Licenses' and the  
other is 'Topaz product Updates'
Are they with me for ever?

Nathan




From alanbarber at mac.com  Sun May 10 09:29:02 2009
From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 09:29:02 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Inboxl -2 items will not delete
In-Reply-To: <1E0E7839-04BA-487B-9323-8DCDAE93D5D5@virgin.net>
References: <1E0E7839-04BA-487B-9323-8DCDAE93D5D5@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <1559820C-51DA-40F0-8E00-C57FE455834E@mac.com>

Similar thing happened to me and I closed Mail and on reopening they  
were gone

Regards

Alan
		

On 10 May 2009, at 09:24, Nathan Crosby wrote:

> I have two items in my Mail inbox that I can't delete. The contents
> have been deleted but the headers remain. I can't drag them or delete
> by the normal means.
> A search reveals nothing.  One item is 'Topaz Trial Licenses' and the
> other is 'Topaz product Updates'
> Are they with me for ever?
>
> Nathan
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From nathan.crosby at virgin.net  Sun May 10 09:30:56 2009
From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 09:30:56 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Inboxl -2 items will not delete
In-Reply-To: <1559820C-51DA-40F0-8E00-C57FE455834E@mac.com>
References: <1E0E7839-04BA-487B-9323-8DCDAE93D5D5@virgin.net>
	<1559820C-51DA-40F0-8E00-C57FE455834E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <16925A13-01DD-4272-9BF9-64E2989C2EF6@virgin.net>

These two items have been with me for months Alan. Restarting makes no  
difference!

regards Nathan


On 10 May 2009, at 09:29, Alan Barber wrote:

> Similar thing happened to me and I closed Mail and on reopening they
> were gone
>
> Regards
>
> Alan
> 		
>
> On 10 May 2009, at 09:24, Nathan Crosby wrote:
>
>> I have two items in my Mail inbox that I can't delete. The contents
>> have been deleted but the headers remain. I can't drag them or delete
>> by the normal means.
>> A search reveals nothing.  One item is 'Topaz Trial Licenses' and the
>> other is 'Topaz product Updates'
>> Are they with me for ever?
>>
>> Nathan
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From p.hunter at ntlworld.com  Sun May 10 10:19:46 2009
From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 10:19:46 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Wanted G3 Powermac
In-Reply-To: <115283.78202.qm@web26704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <115283.78202.qm@web26704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5BB582FE-E2B9-48B4-A486-C6EA86E26915@ntlworld.com>

Hi Joe,

I've got one of those sitting here right now, you are welcome to it.

I haven't had it running for a long time, so not sure about the spec.  
I'll have to connect it up just to make sure there isn't anything on  
the drive that I want to keep (or don't want you to see!!). Not sure  
what OS it's running though. Ask Simon as I got it from him, he may be  
able to remember.

I don't want anything for it either.

I tried phoning you yesterday about the XP disc, but I couldn't get  
through. So give me a call on my mobile ( 07983856097 ) and we'll  
arrange a swap over if you like.

Peter


On 10 May 2009, at 00:52, joe butler wrote:

>
>
> Hi all
>
> Having given away about 30 off the buggers in the last few years I  
> find myself in need of one for a project I'm working on, I'm looking  
> to pay as little as possible as there old and crap! as long as it  
> will run tiger ( very slowly is fine!) I'm happy. Even a beige one  
> would do the job.
> At a real push a G3 imac would do the job ( given loads of them away  
> as well!)
>
> Thanks
> Joe
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From ian at igdesign.co.uk  Sun May 10 13:05:40 2009
From: ian at igdesign.co.uk (Ian Garrett)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 13:05:40 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Inboxl -2 items will not delete
In-Reply-To: <16925A13-01DD-4272-9BF9-64E2989C2EF6@virgin.net>
References: <1E0E7839-04BA-487B-9323-8DCDAE93D5D5@virgin.net>
	<1559820C-51DA-40F0-8E00-C57FE455834E@mac.com>
	<16925A13-01DD-4272-9BF9-64E2989C2EF6@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <F8FBD61C-6508-45CA-BF26-2CC1ADE731C4@igdesign.co.uk>

Try using "Secure Empty Trash" from the Finder menu. It's worth  
emptying the rest of the Trash first, as "Secure..." is slow. It's  
worked for me a few times.

Regards,
Ian


On 10 May , at Sun 10 May 2009, 09:30:56, Nathan Crosby wrote:

> These two items have been with me for months Alan. Restarting makes no
> difference!
>
> regards Nathan
>
>
> On 10 May 2009, at 09:29, Alan Barber wrote:
>
>> Similar thing happened to me and I closed Mail and on reopening they
>> were gone
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Alan
>> 		
>>
>> On 10 May 2009, at 09:24, Nathan Crosby wrote:
>>
>>> I have two items in my Mail inbox that I can't delete. The contents
>>> have been deleted but the headers remain. I can't drag them or  
>>> delete
>>> by the normal means.
>>> A search reveals nothing.  One item is 'Topaz Trial Licenses' and  
>>> the
>>> other is 'Topaz product Updates'
>>> Are they with me for ever?
>>>
>>> Nathan
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
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> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Sun May 10 14:34:39 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 14:34:39 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Tummy upsets
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1241953201.36494.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1.1241953201.36494.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <0959C639-B94C-4A11-B720-17F067511998@gmail.com>


On 10 May 2009, at 12:00, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:

> However, I would like to apologise for for having upset your feelings,
> Simon...and would welcome an apology from Stefan for having upset mine
> (before I unsubscribe and join SMUG).
>
> Liz


I hadn't realized that gefingerpoken problems might be associated with  
intelligence. In fact it is often said in the technical literature  
that the more intelligent a person is, the more likely he or she is to  
make silly mistakes. The charitable among you might therefore think of  
it as a compliment and bask in reflected glory.  In the interests of  
harmony within NMUG, however, I am happy to withdraw the slight and  
( I see it now) utterly ridiculous  suggestion, made previously.  that  
the writer (I didn't name her)  might, just possibly, have contributed  
in some way to her own problem and I now accept that she surely did  
nothing at all in this regard and stands unblemished in this matter.

I am however unable to go further and endorse the claimed notion that  
Apple shipped a product with the interesting and undocumented security  
feature that as soon as you install, it immediately and irrevocably  
wipes all your albums and libraries: this ladies and gentlemen, is a  
library too far. Other readers contemplating this upgrade need have no  
fears. They can join the hundreds of thousands - maybe millions - who  
seem to have completed the upgrade without problem.





From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Sun May 10 15:29:36 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 15:29:36 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] VMWare Slug v Hare
Message-ID: <489B33F5-60D9-40C0-8A55-4DD5014D5B62@gmail.com>

I have installed VMFusion 2.0.4 running Windows XP on my 2.4GHz  
MacBook 2GB OSX 10.5.6

It seems sluggish browsing , and worse, even when Suspended, browsing  
performance in the Mac is slowed down.

I previously had Parallels 2 running and remember this as being  
snappy. with no impact on the Mac at all.

Peter Hunter came round and said his experience of Fusion on his  
2.6GHz iMac was faster than the response he saw on my machine.

Anyone got any experience to chip in? I can ditch Fusion and go back  
to Parallels but I don't want to do that if there is something simple  
I can do to speed things up. I've switched between the performance  
options in Fusion (favouring Mac or XP) but without any noticeable  
improvement.

Is it a memory issue? I don't want to fork out for 4GB if it won;t  
make any difference. I've run Fusion as the only app running so as to  
give it max memory and it's still sluggish


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun May 10 17:21:21 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 17:21:21 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Wanted G3 Powermac
Message-ID: <3ln5W4n3lCYK.GstRL9qR@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Peter

If it is one you got from me them it came from Joe in the first place, on my first ever visit to him.

Simon

--- visit my Mac website at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - (sent using a Nokia N82)

-original message-
Subject: Re: [NMUG] Wanted G3 Powermac
From: Peter Hunter <p.hunter at ntlworld.com>
Date: 10/05/2009 10:20

Hi Joe,

I've got one of those sitting here right now, you are welcome to it.

I haven't had it running for a long time, so not sure about the spec.  
I'll have to connect it up just to make sure there isn't anything on  
the drive that I want to keep (or don't want you to see!!). Not sure  
what OS it's running though. Ask Simon as I got it from him, he may be  
able to remember.

I don't want anything for it either.

I tried phoning you yesterday about the XP disc, but I couldn't get  
through. So give me a call on my mobile ( 07983856097 ) and we'll  
arrange a swap over if you like.

Peter


On 10 May 2009, at 00:52, joe butler wrote:

>
>
> Hi all
>
> Having given away about 30 off the buggers in the last few years I  
> find myself in need of one for a project I'm working on, I'm looking  
> to pay as little as possible as there old and crap! as long as it  
> will run tiger ( very slowly is fine!) I'm happy. Even a beige one  
> would do the job.
> At a real push a G3 imac would do the job ( given loads of them away  
> as well!)
>
> Thanks
> Joe
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
NMUG at durrant.co.uk
http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From p.hunter at ntlworld.com  Sun May 10 17:33:53 2009
From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 17:33:53 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Wanted G3 Powermac
In-Reply-To: <3ln5W4n3lCYK.GstRL9qR@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <3ln5W4n3lCYK.GstRL9qR@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C08B08BE-D688-4A99-97D5-3D084BA7AEE1@ntlworld.com>

That's what Joe said. What comes around go's around, as they say!!

Peter

On 10 May 2009, at 17:21, Simon Royal wrote:

> Peter
>
> If it is one you got from me them it came from Joe in the first  
> place, on my first ever visit to him.
>
> Simon
>
> --- visit my Mac website at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - (sent  
> using a Nokia N82)
>
> -original message-
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Wanted G3 Powermac
> From: Peter Hunter <p.hunter at ntlworld.com>
> Date: 10/05/2009 10:20
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> I've got one of those sitting here right now, you are welcome to it.
>
> I haven't had it running for a long time, so not sure about the spec.
> I'll have to connect it up just to make sure there isn't anything on
> the drive that I want to keep (or don't want you to see!!). Not sure
> what OS it's running though. Ask Simon as I got it from him, he may be
> able to remember.
>
> I don't want anything for it either.
>
> I tried phoning you yesterday about the XP disc, but I couldn't get
> through. So give me a call on my mobile ( 07983856097 ) and we'll
> arrange a swap over if you like.
>
> Peter
>
>
> On 10 May 2009, at 00:52, joe butler wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Having given away about 30 off the buggers in the last few years I
>> find myself in need of one for a project I'm working on, I'm looking
>> to pay as little as possible as there old and crap! as long as it
>> will run tiger ( very slowly is fine!) I'm happy. Even a beige one
>> would do the job.
>> At a real push a G3 imac would do the job ( given loads of them away
>> as well!)
>>
>> Thanks
>> Joe
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun May 10 17:36:02 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 17:36:02 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] VMWare Slug v Hare
Message-ID: <4ZXlwGYHWwK5.l4nhXLXB@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Stefan

I know Vista on a bonefide PC cannot recognise more than 3GB of ram so I doubt XP can so upping the ram in your mac might be pointless.

Ive run xp on my old 1.83ghz imac under both and performance was fine with both, no advantage in either.

Simon --- visit my Mac website at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - (sent using a Nokia N82)

-original message-
Subject: [NMUG] VMWare Slug v Hare
From: stefan youngs <stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com>
Date: 10/05/2009 15:29

I have installed VMFusion 2.0.4 running Windows XP on my 2.4GHz  
MacBook 2GB OSX 10.5.6

It seems sluggish browsing , and worse, even when Suspended, browsing  
performance in the Mac is slowed down.

I previously had Parallels 2 running and remember this as being  
snappy. with no impact on the Mac at all.

Peter Hunter came round and said his experience of Fusion on his  
2.6GHz iMac was faster than the response he saw on my machine.

Anyone got any experience to chip in? I can ditch Fusion and go back  
to Parallels but I don't want to do that if there is something simple  
I can do to speed things up. I've switched between the performance  
options in Fusion (favouring Mac or XP) but without any noticeable  
improvement.

Is it a memory issue? I don't want to fork out for 4GB if it won;t  
make any difference. I've run Fusion as the only app running so as to  
give it max memory and it's still sluggish
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From p.hunter at ntlworld.com  Sun May 10 17:41:36 2009
From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 17:41:36 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] VMWare Slug v Hare
In-Reply-To: <489B33F5-60D9-40C0-8A55-4DD5014D5B62@gmail.com>
References: <489B33F5-60D9-40C0-8A55-4DD5014D5B62@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AFF6CF3F-45F6-48E8-8937-7BF9E3F71D61@ntlworld.com>

Stefan,

I think I owe you an apology. I seem to remember now that I was  
running version 1 and then upgraded to 2.0.4 and didn't like it, so I  
cleaned it off and reinstalled v 1. If I remember correctly one of the  
reasons was that it was a bit slower than v 1 (although not quite as  
slow as yours was running).

I would suggest Parallels to be the better option as I have heard a  
lot of good comments about v 2. I don't use any of them now as I built  
myself a PC desktop for the jobs I have to do in Windows. If I had to  
go back to VM I'd go for Parallels.

Peter

On 10 May 2009, at 15:29, stefan youngs wrote:

> I have installed VMFusion 2.0.4 running Windows XP on my 2.4GHz
> MacBook 2GB OSX 10.5.6
>
> It seems sluggish browsing , and worse, even when Suspended, browsing
> performance in the Mac is slowed down.
>
> I previously had Parallels 2 running and remember this as being
> snappy. with no impact on the Mac at all.
>
> Peter Hunter came round and said his experience of Fusion on his
> 2.6GHz iMac was faster than the response he saw on my machine.
>
> Anyone got any experience to chip in? I can ditch Fusion and go back
> to Parallels but I don't want to do that if there is something simple
> I can do to speed things up. I've switched between the performance
> options in Fusion (favouring Mac or XP) but without any noticeable
> improvement.
>
> Is it a memory issue? I don't want to fork out for 4GB if it won;t
> make any difference. I've run Fusion as the only app running so as to
> give it max memory and it's still sluggish
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From p.hunter at ntlworld.com  Sun May 10 17:51:39 2009
From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 17:51:39 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] VMWare Slug v Hare
In-Reply-To: <4ZXlwGYHWwK5.l4nhXLXB@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <4ZXlwGYHWwK5.l4nhXLXB@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <46332003-37ED-45B0-B5E8-7AD4F6E6347E@ntlworld.com>

Simon,
Are you sure about that? I know that XP only recognises 3 GB, but  
Vista can recognise a lot more. I have Vista Ultimate running on this  
machine that I built, and it has 6 GB RAM and seems to be working with  
it all ok.

I'd be interested to hear your source of information.

With regard to Stefan's problem, the portion of RAM you allocate for  
XP is setup in the VM settings. The only thing affected by the amount  
of RAM you have in the computer is the actual VM host itself, in his  
case VMWare Fusion 2.0.4

Hope that helps.

Peter


On 10 May 2009, at 17:36, Simon Royal wrote:

> Stefan
>
> I know Vista on a bonefide PC cannot recognise more than 3GB of ram  
> so I doubt XP can so upping the ram in your mac might be pointless.
>
> Ive run xp on my old 1.83ghz imac under both and performance was  
> fine with both, no advantage in either.
>
> Simon --- visit my Mac website at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk -  
> (sent using a Nokia N82)
>
> -original message-
> Subject: [NMUG] VMWare Slug v Hare
> From: stefan youngs <stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com>
> Date: 10/05/2009 15:29
>
> I have installed VMFusion 2.0.4 running Windows XP on my 2.4GHz
> MacBook 2GB OSX 10.5.6
>
> It seems sluggish browsing , and worse, even when Suspended, browsing
> performance in the Mac is slowed down.
>
> I previously had Parallels 2 running and remember this as being
> snappy. with no impact on the Mac at all.
>
> Peter Hunter came round and said his experience of Fusion on his
> 2.6GHz iMac was faster than the response he saw on my machine.
>
> Anyone got any experience to chip in? I can ditch Fusion and go back
> to Parallels but I don't want to do that if there is something simple
> I can do to speed things up. I've switched between the performance
> options in Fusion (favouring Mac or XP) but without any noticeable
> improvement.
>
> Is it a memory issue? I don't want to fork out for 4GB if it won;t
> make any difference. I've run Fusion as the only app running so as to
> give it max memory and it's still sluggish
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Sun May 10 18:11:46 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 18:11:46 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] VMWare Slug v Hare
In-Reply-To: <489B33F5-60D9-40C0-8A55-4DD5014D5B62@gmail.com>
References: <489B33F5-60D9-40C0-8A55-4DD5014D5B62@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A070AD2.40906@stackyard.org>

Stefan,

There's XP and there's XP.  I wouldn't attempt to run XP without at 
least 750MB of RAM available and that's without stuff like antivirus 
programs and anything that runs in the background.  With a fully loaded 
system (lots of apps, anti-malware, etc.), you need about 2GB to prevent 
RAM starvation.  What Simon says is true that 32-bit XP (most common 
type) can only address just over 3GB but it really crawls with less than 
600MB.  32-bit Windows will probably become passe soon because of the 
RAM limit and the fact that the world has moved on.  64-bit Vista is 
becoming more common and Windows 7 will probably ship more 64-bit 
versions than 32-bit because newer software needs more and more RAM and 
3GB is going to be a bit average within 6 months to a year, I'll bet.

You can always have a look at the ps output to see what VMFusion is 
using.  I presume I'm telling you how to suck eggs here but if you roll 
yourself a little script in a terminal window like:

while true
do
ps auxww | grep USER | grep -v grep
ps auxww | grep -i <substitute name of VMFusion process here> | grep -v grep
sleep 2
clear
done

it will give you a running display of the stats (%RAM and CPU) the 
process is using.  If the CPU is high (suspect that might be the 
killer), it will be slow.  BTW, the above is for a bash shell.  It's a 
bit messy as I've forgotten a lot of my shell scripting skills.
 
Regards,

Ken

stefan youngs wrote:
> I have installed VMFusion 2.0.4 running Windows XP on my 2.4GHz  
> MacBook 2GB OSX 10.5.6
>
> It seems sluggish browsing , and worse, even when Suspended, browsing  
> performance in the Mac is slowed down.
>
> I previously had Parallels 2 running and remember this as being  
> snappy. with no impact on the Mac at all.
>
> Peter Hunter came round and said his experience of Fusion on his  
> 2.6GHz iMac was faster than the response he saw on my machine.
>
> Anyone got any experience to chip in? I can ditch Fusion and go back  
> to Parallels but I don't want to do that if there is something simple  
> I can do to speed things up. I've switched between the performance  
> options in Fusion (favouring Mac or XP) but without any noticeable  
> improvement.
>
> Is it a memory issue? I don't want to fork out for 4GB if it won;t  
> make any difference. I've run Fusion as the only app running so as to  
> give it max memory and it's still sluggish
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun May 10 18:21:03 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 18:21:03 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] VMWare Slug v Hare
In-Reply-To: <4A070AD2.40906@stackyard.org>
References: <489B33F5-60D9-40C0-8A55-4DD5014D5B62@gmail.com>
	<4A070AD2.40906@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <07F66701-E77C-414D-B557-86604A17EB3F@simonroyal.co.uk>

Ken

I've run XP on a lot less hardware than that and it was fine - but  
then I am the king of retro and don't mind a bit of slug.

Interestingly 64-bit XP ran for only two years and support ceased for  
it in 2005. It was developed mainly for HP who were using 64-bit chips  
at the time.

Simon

On 10 May 2009, at 18:11, Ken Hamer wrote:

> Stefan,
>
> There's XP and there's XP.  I wouldn't attempt to run XP without at
> least 750MB of RAM available and that's without stuff like antivirus
> programs and anything that runs in the background.  With a fully  
> loaded
> system (lots of apps, anti-malware, etc.), you need about 2GB to  
> prevent
> RAM starvation.  What Simon says is true that 32-bit XP (most common
> type) can only address just over 3GB but it really crawls with less  
> than
> 600MB.  32-bit Windows will probably become passe soon because of the
> RAM limit and the fact that the world has moved on.  64-bit Vista is
> becoming more common and Windows 7 will probably ship more 64-bit
> versions than 32-bit because newer software needs more and more RAM  
> and
> 3GB is going to be a bit average within 6 months to a year, I'll bet.
>
> You can always have a look at the ps output to see what VMFusion is
> using.  I presume I'm telling you how to suck eggs here but if you  
> roll
> yourself a little script in a terminal window like:
>
> while true
> do
> ps auxww | grep USER | grep -v grep
> ps auxww | grep -i <substitute name of VMFusion process here> | grep  
> -v grep
> sleep 2
> clear
> done
>
> it will give you a running display of the stats (%RAM and CPU) the
> process is using.  If the CPU is high (suspect that might be the
> killer), it will be slow.  BTW, the above is for a bash shell.  It's a
> bit messy as I've forgotten a lot of my shell scripting skills.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ken
>
> stefan youngs wrote:
>> I have installed VMFusion 2.0.4 running Windows XP on my 2.4GHz
>> MacBook 2GB OSX 10.5.6
>>
>> It seems sluggish browsing , and worse, even when Suspended, browsing
>> performance in the Mac is slowed down.
>>
>> I previously had Parallels 2 running and remember this as being
>> snappy. with no impact on the Mac at all.
>>
>> Peter Hunter came round and said his experience of Fusion on his
>> 2.6GHz iMac was faster than the response he saw on my machine.
>>
>> Anyone got any experience to chip in? I can ditch Fusion and go back
>> to Parallels but I don't want to do that if there is something simple
>> I can do to speed things up. I've switched between the performance
>> options in Fusion (favouring Mac or XP) but without any noticeable
>> improvement.
>>
>> Is it a memory issue? I don't want to fork out for 4GB if it won;t
>> make any difference. I've run Fusion as the only app running so as to
>> give it max memory and it's still sluggish
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Sun May 10 18:41:54 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 18:41:54 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] VMWare Slug v Hare
In-Reply-To: <07F66701-E77C-414D-B557-86604A17EB3F@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <489B33F5-60D9-40C0-8A55-4DD5014D5B62@gmail.com>	<4A070AD2.40906@stackyard.org>
	<07F66701-E77C-414D-B557-86604A17EB3F@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A0711E2.1080502@stackyard.org>

Simon,

Yes,  I've seen XP run on as little as 64MB, but performance is, shall 
we say, lamentable.  It all depends on the installed programs and your 
expectations.  I'm afraid I like things to happen quickly because I 
don't have time to wait around.  A few years ago, 512MB was fine but I 
now see a lot of machines that are extremely sluggish with that amount.  
Installed programs and expectations.

Not sure about 64-bit XP.  It's still available to purchase (Aria 
charging ?95) but I don't think it was ever used much.  64-bit Vista, 
however is very common and is obviously what Peter Hunter is running - 
either that or his machine is only using half of its installed RAM.  It 
would still run fine.  Peter, if you're reading this, how much RAM is 
your machine reporting it has?  Did you buy 32-bit Vista Ultimate or 
64-bit Vista Ultimate?

Ken

Simon Royal wrote:
> Ken
>
> I've run XP on a lot less hardware than that and it was fine - but  
> then I am the king of retro and don't mind a bit of slug.
>
> Interestingly 64-bit XP ran for only two years and support ceased for  
> it in 2005. It was developed mainly for HP who were using 64-bit chips  
> at the time.
>
> Simon
>
> On 10 May 2009, at 18:11, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
>   
>> Stefan,
>>
>> There's XP and there's XP.  I wouldn't attempt to run XP without at
>> least 750MB of RAM available and that's without stuff like antivirus
>> programs and anything that runs in the background.  With a fully  
>> loaded
>> system (lots of apps, anti-malware, etc.), you need about 2GB to  
>> prevent
>> RAM starvation.  What Simon says is true that 32-bit XP (most common
>> type) can only address just over 3GB but it really crawls with less  
>> than
>> 600MB.  32-bit Windows will probably become passe soon because of the
>> RAM limit and the fact that the world has moved on.  64-bit Vista is
>> becoming more common and Windows 7 will probably ship more 64-bit
>> versions than 32-bit because newer software needs more and more RAM  
>> and
>> 3GB is going to be a bit average within 6 months to a year, I'll bet.
>>
>> You can always have a look at the ps output to see what VMFusion is
>> using.  I presume I'm telling you how to suck eggs here but if you  
>> roll
>> yourself a little script in a terminal window like:
>>
>> while true
>> do
>> ps auxww | grep USER | grep -v grep
>> ps auxww | grep -i <substitute name of VMFusion process here> | grep  
>> -v grep
>> sleep 2
>> clear
>> done
>>
>> it will give you a running display of the stats (%RAM and CPU) the
>> process is using.  If the CPU is high (suspect that might be the
>> killer), it will be slow.  BTW, the above is for a bash shell.  It's a
>> bit messy as I've forgotten a lot of my shell scripting skills.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> stefan youngs wrote:
>>     
>>> I have installed VMFusion 2.0.4 running Windows XP on my 2.4GHz
>>> MacBook 2GB OSX 10.5.6
>>>
>>> It seems sluggish browsing , and worse, even when Suspended, browsing
>>> performance in the Mac is slowed down.
>>>
>>> I previously had Parallels 2 running and remember this as being
>>> snappy. with no impact on the Mac at all.
>>>
>>> Peter Hunter came round and said his experience of Fusion on his
>>> 2.6GHz iMac was faster than the response he saw on my machine.
>>>
>>> Anyone got any experience to chip in? I can ditch Fusion and go back
>>> to Parallels but I don't want to do that if there is something simple
>>> I can do to speed things up. I've switched between the performance
>>> options in Fusion (favouring Mac or XP) but without any noticeable
>>> improvement.
>>>
>>> Is it a memory issue? I don't want to fork out for 4GB if it won;t
>>> make any difference. I've run Fusion as the only app running so as to
>>> give it max memory and it's still sluggish
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>     
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From p.hunter at ntlworld.com  Sun May 10 18:51:49 2009
From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 18:51:49 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] VMWare Slug v Hare
In-Reply-To: <4A0711E2.1080502@stackyard.org>
References: <489B33F5-60D9-40C0-8A55-4DD5014D5B62@gmail.com>	<4A070AD2.40906@stackyard.org>
	<07F66701-E77C-414D-B557-86604A17EB3F@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4A0711E2.1080502@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <30ED59C6-BA8B-45EC-B948-37C891C755FE@ntlworld.com>

Hi Ken,

Yes, I am running the 64 bit version. In fact the box contains a  
separate disc for each - 32 and 64 bit. I've checked the RAM (I do  
that every time I install more, just to make sure it's ok) It reports  
the full 6 GB. I have a separate 512 MB Graphics card as I don't  
believe in using system RAM for video (it's too slow anyway).

Peter

On 10 May 2009, at 18:41, Ken Hamer wrote:

> Simon,
>
> Yes,  I've seen XP run on as little as 64MB, but performance is, shall
> we say, lamentable.  It all depends on the installed programs and your
> expectations.  I'm afraid I like things to happen quickly because I
> don't have time to wait around.  A few years ago, 512MB was fine but I
> now see a lot of machines that are extremely sluggish with that  
> amount.
> Installed programs and expectations.
>
> Not sure about 64-bit XP.  It's still available to purchase (Aria
> charging ?95) but I don't think it was ever used much.  64-bit Vista,
> however is very common and is obviously what Peter Hunter is running -
> either that or his machine is only using half of its installed RAM.   
> It
> would still run fine.  Peter, if you're reading this, how much RAM is
> your machine reporting it has?  Did you buy 32-bit Vista Ultimate or
> 64-bit Vista Ultimate?
>
> Ken
>
> Simon Royal wrote:
>> Ken
>>
>> I've run XP on a lot less hardware than that and it was fine - but
>> then I am the king of retro and don't mind a bit of slug.
>>
>> Interestingly 64-bit XP ran for only two years and support ceased for
>> it in 2005. It was developed mainly for HP who were using 64-bit  
>> chips
>> at the time.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> On 10 May 2009, at 18:11, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Stefan,
>>>
>>> There's XP and there's XP.  I wouldn't attempt to run XP without at
>>> least 750MB of RAM available and that's without stuff like antivirus
>>> programs and anything that runs in the background.  With a fully
>>> loaded
>>> system (lots of apps, anti-malware, etc.), you need about 2GB to
>>> prevent
>>> RAM starvation.  What Simon says is true that 32-bit XP (most common
>>> type) can only address just over 3GB but it really crawls with less
>>> than
>>> 600MB.  32-bit Windows will probably become passe soon because of  
>>> the
>>> RAM limit and the fact that the world has moved on.  64-bit Vista is
>>> becoming more common and Windows 7 will probably ship more 64-bit
>>> versions than 32-bit because newer software needs more and more RAM
>>> and
>>> 3GB is going to be a bit average within 6 months to a year, I'll  
>>> bet.
>>>
>>> You can always have a look at the ps output to see what VMFusion is
>>> using.  I presume I'm telling you how to suck eggs here but if you
>>> roll
>>> yourself a little script in a terminal window like:
>>>
>>> while true
>>> do
>>> ps auxww | grep USER | grep -v grep
>>> ps auxww | grep -i <substitute name of VMFusion process here> | grep
>>> -v grep
>>> sleep 2
>>> clear
>>> done
>>>
>>> it will give you a running display of the stats (%RAM and CPU) the
>>> process is using.  If the CPU is high (suspect that might be the
>>> killer), it will be slow.  BTW, the above is for a bash shell.   
>>> It's a
>>> bit messy as I've forgotten a lot of my shell scripting skills.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> stefan youngs wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have installed VMFusion 2.0.4 running Windows XP on my 2.4GHz
>>>> MacBook 2GB OSX 10.5.6
>>>>
>>>> It seems sluggish browsing , and worse, even when Suspended,  
>>>> browsing
>>>> performance in the Mac is slowed down.
>>>>
>>>> I previously had Parallels 2 running and remember this as being
>>>> snappy. with no impact on the Mac at all.
>>>>
>>>> Peter Hunter came round and said his experience of Fusion on his
>>>> 2.6GHz iMac was faster than the response he saw on my machine.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone got any experience to chip in? I can ditch Fusion and go  
>>>> back
>>>> to Parallels but I don't want to do that if there is something  
>>>> simple
>>>> I can do to speed things up. I've switched between the performance
>>>> options in Fusion (favouring Mac or XP) but without any noticeable
>>>> improvement.
>>>>
>>>> Is it a memory issue? I don't want to fork out for 4GB if it won;t
>>>> make any difference. I've run Fusion as the only app running so  
>>>> as to
>>>> give it max memory and it's still sluggish
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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From p.hunter at ntlworld.com  Sun May 10 18:58:47 2009
From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 18:58:47 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] VMWare Slug v Hare
In-Reply-To: <30ED59C6-BA8B-45EC-B948-37C891C755FE@ntlworld.com>
References: <489B33F5-60D9-40C0-8A55-4DD5014D5B62@gmail.com>	<4A070AD2.40906@stackyard.org>
	<07F66701-E77C-414D-B557-86604A17EB3F@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4A0711E2.1080502@stackyard.org>
	<30ED59C6-BA8B-45EC-B948-37C891C755FE@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <A03DBE05-910B-4383-8AEC-F4363CEB936E@ntlworld.com>

Sorry, I forgot Simon and others may be reading this, I forgot to take  
off the bit pinched for the system. The ACTUAL reported figure is 5.87  
GB (sorry Simon, only kidding!)

Peter


On 10 May 2009, at 18:51, Peter Hunter wrote:

> Hi Ken,
>
> Yes, I am running the 64 bit version. In fact the box contains a
> separate disc for each - 32 and 64 bit. I've checked the RAM (I do
> that every time I install more, just to make sure it's ok) It reports
> the full 6 GB. I have a separate 512 MB Graphics card as I don't
> believe in using system RAM for video (it's too slow anyway).
>
> Peter
>
> On 10 May 2009, at 18:41, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
>> Simon,
>>
>> Yes,  I've seen XP run on as little as 64MB, but performance is,  
>> shall
>> we say, lamentable.  It all depends on the installed programs and  
>> your
>> expectations.  I'm afraid I like things to happen quickly because I
>> don't have time to wait around.  A few years ago, 512MB was fine  
>> but I
>> now see a lot of machines that are extremely sluggish with that
>> amount.
>> Installed programs and expectations.
>>
>> Not sure about 64-bit XP.  It's still available to purchase (Aria
>> charging ?95) but I don't think it was ever used much.  64-bit Vista,
>> however is very common and is obviously what Peter Hunter is  
>> running -
>> either that or his machine is only using half of its installed RAM.
>> It
>> would still run fine.  Peter, if you're reading this, how much RAM is
>> your machine reporting it has?  Did you buy 32-bit Vista Ultimate or
>> 64-bit Vista Ultimate?
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> I've run XP on a lot less hardware than that and it was fine - but
>>> then I am the king of retro and don't mind a bit of slug.
>>>
>>> Interestingly 64-bit XP ran for only two years and support ceased  
>>> for
>>> it in 2005. It was developed mainly for HP who were using 64-bit
>>> chips
>>> at the time.
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>> On 10 May 2009, at 18:11, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Stefan,
>>>>
>>>> There's XP and there's XP.  I wouldn't attempt to run XP without at
>>>> least 750MB of RAM available and that's without stuff like  
>>>> antivirus
>>>> programs and anything that runs in the background.  With a fully
>>>> loaded
>>>> system (lots of apps, anti-malware, etc.), you need about 2GB to
>>>> prevent
>>>> RAM starvation.  What Simon says is true that 32-bit XP (most  
>>>> common
>>>> type) can only address just over 3GB but it really crawls with less
>>>> than
>>>> 600MB.  32-bit Windows will probably become passe soon because of
>>>> the
>>>> RAM limit and the fact that the world has moved on.  64-bit Vista  
>>>> is
>>>> becoming more common and Windows 7 will probably ship more 64-bit
>>>> versions than 32-bit because newer software needs more and more RAM
>>>> and
>>>> 3GB is going to be a bit average within 6 months to a year, I'll
>>>> bet.
>>>>
>>>> You can always have a look at the ps output to see what VMFusion is
>>>> using.  I presume I'm telling you how to suck eggs here but if you
>>>> roll
>>>> yourself a little script in a terminal window like:
>>>>
>>>> while true
>>>> do
>>>> ps auxww | grep USER | grep -v grep
>>>> ps auxww | grep -i <substitute name of VMFusion process here> |  
>>>> grep
>>>> -v grep
>>>> sleep 2
>>>> clear
>>>> done
>>>>
>>>> it will give you a running display of the stats (%RAM and CPU) the
>>>> process is using.  If the CPU is high (suspect that might be the
>>>> killer), it will be slow.  BTW, the above is for a bash shell.
>>>> It's a
>>>> bit messy as I've forgotten a lot of my shell scripting skills.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>>> stefan youngs wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have installed VMFusion 2.0.4 running Windows XP on my 2.4GHz
>>>>> MacBook 2GB OSX 10.5.6
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems sluggish browsing , and worse, even when Suspended,
>>>>> browsing
>>>>> performance in the Mac is slowed down.
>>>>>
>>>>> I previously had Parallels 2 running and remember this as being
>>>>> snappy. with no impact on the Mac at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter Hunter came round and said his experience of Fusion on his
>>>>> 2.6GHz iMac was faster than the response he saw on my machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone got any experience to chip in? I can ditch Fusion and go
>>>>> back
>>>>> to Parallels but I don't want to do that if there is something
>>>>> simple
>>>>> I can do to speed things up. I've switched between the performance
>>>>> options in Fusion (favouring Mac or XP) but without any noticeable
>>>>> improvement.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it a memory issue? I don't want to fork out for 4GB if it won;t
>>>>> make any difference. I've run Fusion as the only app running so
>>>>> as to
>>>>> give it max memory and it's still sluggish
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Simon Royal
>>> ---
>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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From nathan.crosby at virgin.net  Sun May 10 21:01:11 2009
From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 21:01:11 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Inboxl -2 items will not delete
In-Reply-To: <F8FBD61C-6508-45CA-BF26-2CC1ADE731C4@igdesign.co.uk>
References: <1E0E7839-04BA-487B-9323-8DCDAE93D5D5@virgin.net>
	<1559820C-51DA-40F0-8E00-C57FE455834E@mac.com>
	<16925A13-01DD-4272-9BF9-64E2989C2EF6@virgin.net>
	<F8FBD61C-6508-45CA-BF26-2CC1ADE731C4@igdesign.co.uk>
Message-ID: <59FDBD2A-953C-4A6D-AE16-9E6F935CFA49@virgin.net>

'secure empty trash' is greyed out when the two items are selected.

Nathan


On 10 May 2009, at 13:05, Ian Garrett wrote:

> Try using "Secure Empty Trash" from the Finder menu. It's worth
> emptying the rest of the Trash first, as "Secure..." is slow. It's
> worked for me a few times.
>
> Regards,
> Ian
>
>
> On 10 May , at Sun 10 May 2009, 09:30:56, Nathan Crosby wrote:
>
>> These two items have been with me for months Alan. Restarting makes  
>> no
>> difference!
>>
>> regards Nathan
>>
>>
>> On 10 May 2009, at 09:29, Alan Barber wrote:
>>
>>> Similar thing happened to me and I closed Mail and on reopening they
>>> were gone
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Alan
>>> 		
>>>
>>> On 10 May 2009, at 09:24, Nathan Crosby wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have two items in my Mail inbox that I can't delete. The contents
>>>> have been deleted but the headers remain. I can't drag them or
>>>> delete
>>>> by the normal means.
>>>> A search reveals nothing.  One item is 'Topaz Trial Licenses' and
>>>> the
>>>> other is 'Topaz product Updates'
>>>> Are they with me for ever?
>>>>
>>>> Nathan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From macman at f2s.com  Sun May 10 21:15:08 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 21:15:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Inboxl -2 items will not delete
In-Reply-To: <59FDBD2A-953C-4A6D-AE16-9E6F935CFA49@virgin.net>
References: <1E0E7839-04BA-487B-9323-8DCDAE93D5D5@virgin.net>
	<1559820C-51DA-40F0-8E00-C57FE455834E@mac.com>
	<16925A13-01DD-4272-9BF9-64E2989C2EF6@virgin.net>
	<F8FBD61C-6508-45CA-BF26-2CC1ADE731C4@igdesign.co.uk>
	<59FDBD2A-953C-4A6D-AE16-9E6F935CFA49@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <DBF1A3D5-8860-479E-B146-D80B21E6952C@f2s.com>

I had one like that for over a year Nat, and as far as I can remember  
after trying everything I could think of, to get rid of it I trashed  
Mail altogether and reinstalled. (But I must have done something with  
the ones I wanted to keep, although I'm damned if I can think what it  
was - getting old!)

Robbie




On 10 May 2009, at 21:01, Nathan Crosby wrote:

'secure empty trash' is greyed out when the two items are selected.

Nathan


On 10 May 2009, at 13:05, Ian Garrett wrote:

> Try using "Secure Empty Trash" from the Finder menu. It's worth
> emptying the rest of the Trash first, as "Secure..." is slow. It's
> worked for me a few times.
>
> Regards,
> Ian
>
>
> On 10 May , at Sun 10 May 2009, 09:30:56, Nathan Crosby wrote:
>
>> These two items have been with me for months Alan. Restarting makes
>> no
>> difference!
>>
>> regards Nathan
>>
>>
>> On 10 May 2009, at 09:29, Alan Barber wrote:
>>
>>> Similar thing happened to me and I closed Mail and on reopening they
>>> were gone
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Alan
>>> 		
>>>
>>> On 10 May 2009, at 09:24, Nathan Crosby wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have two items in my Mail inbox that I can't delete. The contents
>>>> have been deleted but the headers remain. I can't drag them or
>>>> delete
>>>> by the normal means.
>>>> A search reveals nothing.  One item is 'Topaz Trial Licenses' and
>>>> the
>>>> other is 'Topaz product Updates'
>>>> Are they with me for ever?
>>>>
>>>> Nathan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

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From nathan.crosby at virgin.net  Sun May 10 21:21:57 2009
From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 21:21:57 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Inboxl -2 items will not delete
In-Reply-To: <DBF1A3D5-8860-479E-B146-D80B21E6952C@f2s.com>
References: <1E0E7839-04BA-487B-9323-8DCDAE93D5D5@virgin.net>
	<1559820C-51DA-40F0-8E00-C57FE455834E@mac.com>
	<16925A13-01DD-4272-9BF9-64E2989C2EF6@virgin.net>
	<F8FBD61C-6508-45CA-BF26-2CC1ADE731C4@igdesign.co.uk>
	<59FDBD2A-953C-4A6D-AE16-9E6F935CFA49@virgin.net>
	<DBF1A3D5-8860-479E-B146-D80B21E6952C@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <C6EF4DAA-3F08-4ADC-9B4C-F85CD8A5FE58@virgin.net>

It's a comfort to know I am not the only one Robbie. I guess I'll have  
to
learn to live with it.

Nathan


On 10 May 2009, at 21:15, Robbie Murray wrote:

> I had one like that for over a year Nat, and as far as I can remember
> after trying everything I could think of, to get rid of it I trashed
> Mail altogether and reinstalled. (But I must have done something with
> the ones I wanted to keep, although I'm damned if I can think what it
> was - getting old!)
>
> Robbie
>
>
>
>
> On 10 May 2009, at 21:01, Nathan Crosby wrote:
>
> 'secure empty trash' is greyed out when the two items are selected.
>
> Nathan
>
>
> On 10 May 2009, at 13:05, Ian Garrett wrote:
>
>> Try using "Secure Empty Trash" from the Finder menu. It's worth
>> emptying the rest of the Trash first, as "Secure..." is slow. It's
>> worked for me a few times.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ian
>>
>>
>> On 10 May , at Sun 10 May 2009, 09:30:56, Nathan Crosby wrote:
>>
>>> These two items have been with me for months Alan. Restarting makes
>>> no
>>> difference!
>>>
>>> regards Nathan
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10 May 2009, at 09:29, Alan Barber wrote:
>>>
>>>> Similar thing happened to me and I closed Mail and on reopening  
>>>> they
>>>> were gone
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Alan
>>>> 		
>>>>
>>>> On 10 May 2009, at 09:24, Nathan Crosby wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have two items in my Mail inbox that I can't delete. The  
>>>>> contents
>>>>> have been deleted but the headers remain. I can't drag them or
>>>>> delete
>>>>> by the normal means.
>>>>> A search reveals nothing.  One item is 'Topaz Trial Licenses' and
>>>>> the
>>>>> other is 'Topaz product Updates'
>>>>> Are they with me for ever?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nathan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From h.tamplin at btinternet.com  Sun May 10 22:36:13 2009
From: h.tamplin at btinternet.com (Heather Tamplin)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 22:36:13 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] wireless connection
Message-ID: <5BFC85FF-2C26-4C5F-ABF1-6E4B8ABCA6C2@btinternet.com>

Hi,

daughters G5 dual powermac needs to connect wirelessly
If I get airport extreme card will it work with BT home hub ?
do I need to get base station too?
is there a "good value" way to do this

many thanks


From ian at igdesign.co.uk  Sun May 10 23:10:33 2009
From: ian at igdesign.co.uk (Ian Garrett)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 23:10:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Inboxl -2 items will not delete
In-Reply-To: <59FDBD2A-953C-4A6D-AE16-9E6F935CFA49@virgin.net>
References: <1E0E7839-04BA-487B-9323-8DCDAE93D5D5@virgin.net>
	<1559820C-51DA-40F0-8E00-C57FE455834E@mac.com>
	<16925A13-01DD-4272-9BF9-64E2989C2EF6@virgin.net>
	<F8FBD61C-6508-45CA-BF26-2CC1ADE731C4@igdesign.co.uk>
	<59FDBD2A-953C-4A6D-AE16-9E6F935CFA49@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <7716B8B8-6DE3-4AF1-9734-5FB960C7190C@igdesign.co.uk>

You might try finding the items in your Library/Mail/Mailboxes/name-of- 
mailbox.mbox folder and dragging them to the Trash. The problem is  
that items in the mail boxes go by cryptic names like 54321.emlx, so  
if there are also items that you want to keep in the mailbox, it might  
take a while to identify the ones you want to trash. You could use the  
Mail app to move everything else in the mailbox to a temporary mailbox  
(so you have only the offending mails in your .mbox folder), then  
trashing them in the Finder and either emptying the Trash normally or  
using Secure Empty Trash. Or you can open each .emlx file in Mail in a  
new window, by double-clicking it, till you identify the ones you want  
to trash. Good luck!

Regards,
Ian


On 10 May , at Sun 10 May 2009, 09:01:11, Nathan Crosby wrote:

> 'secure empty trash' is greyed out when the two items are selected.
>
> Nathan
>
>
> On 10 May 2009, at 13:05, Ian Garrett wrote:
>
>> Try using "Secure Empty Trash" from the Finder menu. It's worth
>> emptying the rest of the Trash first, as "Secure..." is slow. It's
>> worked for me a few times.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ian
>>
>>
>> On 10 May , at Sun 10 May 2009, 09:30:56, Nathan Crosby wrote:
>>
>>> These two items have been with me for months Alan. Restarting makes
>>> no
>>> difference!
>>>
>>> regards Nathan
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10 May 2009, at 09:29, Alan Barber wrote:
>>>
>>>> Similar thing happened to me and I closed Mail and on reopening  
>>>> they
>>>> were gone
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Alan
>>>> 		
>>>>
>>>> On 10 May 2009, at 09:24, Nathan Crosby wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have two items in my Mail inbox that I can't delete. The  
>>>>> contents
>>>>> have been deleted but the headers remain. I can't drag them or
>>>>> delete
>>>>> by the normal means.
>>>>> A search reveals nothing.  One item is 'Topaz Trial Licenses' and
>>>>> the
>>>>> other is 'Topaz product Updates'
>>>>> Are they with me for ever?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nathan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From bazyoungs at mac.com  Sun May 10 23:34:42 2009
From: bazyoungs at mac.com (Barry Youngs)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 23:34:42 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] wireless connection
In-Reply-To: <5BFC85FF-2C26-4C5F-ABF1-6E4B8ABCA6C2@btinternet.com>
References: <5BFC85FF-2C26-4C5F-ABF1-6E4B8ABCA6C2@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <6CEAB9A3-B998-4817-9E53-CE4F6863F233@mac.com>

Heather
I was using a G5 until upgrading to a new Intel Imac and as far as I  
know the G5 already have an Airport Card installed. It will work with  
the BT HomeHub (mine did).
Go into the airport setting on the top of the screen and turn Airport  
on, then select a network and your home hub should show up in there.
You will need to type in your password(for the hub) onto your  
daughters machine as it will only recognise one static isp address. Or  
you could load the cd that came with your hub onto your daughters  
machine, I had to do that with my brothers laptop when he wanted to  
use my connection at my house.
Hope this helps, BTW I didn't have a base station it just worked!
Barry

On 10 May 2009, at 22:36, Heather Tamplin wrote:

> Hi,
>
> daughters G5 dual powermac needs to connect wirelessly
> If I get airport extreme card will it work with BT home hub ?
> do I need to get base station too?? Boldly going nowhere







From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Mon May 11 00:15:18 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 00:15:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] wireless connection
In-Reply-To: <5BFC85FF-2C26-4C5F-ABF1-6E4B8ABCA6C2@btinternet.com>
References: <5BFC85FF-2C26-4C5F-ABF1-6E4B8ABCA6C2@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <4A076006.1070805@stackyard.org>

Heather,

Like Barry said, there is probably an airport card already in the 
PowerMac and you just need to do what Barry suggested.  The encryption 
key will be on a tag on the back of the home hub and will be a random 
string of letters and numbers.

However, in my opinion, your should NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES run the 
disk that came with the hub.  In my experience, disks which are shipped 
with routers tend to contain useless, irrelevant and unnecessary 
software which can interfere with normal computer use.  The BT disks are 
well and truly in this category.  They contain a "Wireless Connection 
Manager" which you might presume helps the computer connect to the hub.  
In fact, every customer I have visited who has this software installed 
has been unable to connect wirelessly to their hub.  Be warned!

Ken

Heather Tamplin wrote:
> Hi,
>
> daughters G5 dual powermac needs to connect wirelessly
> If I get airport extreme card will it work with BT home hub ?
> do I need to get base station too?
> is there a "good value" way to do this
>
> many thanks
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Mon May 11 00:36:07 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 00:36:07 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Inboxl -2 items will not delete
In-Reply-To: <1E0E7839-04BA-487B-9323-8DCDAE93D5D5@virgin.net>
References: <1E0E7839-04BA-487B-9323-8DCDAE93D5D5@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <4A0764E7.3030203@stackyard.org>

Nathan,

Give the following a try:

1. Exit Mail if it's running.
2. Go into your user's library folder.
3. Duplicate the Mail folder there in case bad things happen.
4. Go into the Mail folder and delete the following files:

    DefaultCounts
    Envelope Index
    LSMMap

5. Restart Mail.  You will be asked if you want to import your 
messages.  Say yes and let it happen.
6. Have a look to see if the ghost messages are gone.

Good Luck!

Ken

Nathan Crosby wrote:
> I have two items in my Mail inbox that I can't delete. The contents  
> have been deleted but the headers remain. I can't drag them or delete  
> by the normal means.
> A search reveals nothing.  One item is 'Topaz Trial Licenses' and the  
> other is 'Topaz product Updates'
> Are they with me for ever?
>
> Nathan
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From nathan.crosby at virgin.net  Mon May 11 07:44:38 2009
From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 07:44:38 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Inboxl -2 items will not delete
In-Reply-To: <4A0764E7.3030203@stackyard.org>
References: <1E0E7839-04BA-487B-9323-8DCDAE93D5D5@virgin.net>
	<4A0764E7.3030203@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <4E0367BD-6F45-4878-8A34-0CD1B2B48C8D@virgin.net>

EUREKA!  It worked Ken. Thanks. And to Ian.

Nathan


On 11 May 2009, at 00:36, Ken Hamer wrote:

> Nathan,
>
> Give the following a try:
>
> 1. Exit Mail if it's running.
> 2. Go into your user's library folder.
> 3. Duplicate the Mail folder there in case bad things happen.
> 4. Go into the Mail folder and delete the following files:
>
>    DefaultCounts
>    Envelope Index
>    LSMMap
>
> 5. Restart Mail.  You will be asked if you want to import your
> messages.  Say yes and let it happen.
> 6. Have a look to see if the ghost messages are gone.
>
> Good Luck!
>
> Ken
>
> Nathan Crosby wrote:
>> I have two items in my Mail inbox that I can't delete. The contents
>> have been deleted but the headers remain. I can't drag them or delete
>> by the normal means.
>> A search reveals nothing.  One item is 'Topaz Trial Licenses' and the
>> other is 'Topaz product Updates'
>> Are they with me for ever?
>>
>> Nathan
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From nathan.crosby at virgin.net  Mon May 11 08:31:18 2009
From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 08:31:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Inboxl -2 items will not delete
In-Reply-To: <4A0764E7.3030203@stackyard.org>
References: <1E0E7839-04BA-487B-9323-8DCDAE93D5D5@virgin.net>
	<4A0764E7.3030203@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <ADAAD7EC-1BE0-4F79-9666-90F365EBE658@virgin.net>

Ken as I mentioned, the ghost messages have now gone.
The only slight problem  is that the Mail 'postage stamp' in the dock,
tells me that there are 9 unread messages, whereas in fact there are  
none.
Do you have a trick for that?

Nathan



On 11 May 2009, at 00:36, Ken Hamer wrote:

> Nathan,
>
> Give the following a try:
>
> 1. Exit Mail if it's running.
> 2. Go into your user's library folder.
> 3. Duplicate the Mail folder there in case bad things happen.
> 4. Go into the Mail folder and delete the following files:
>
>    DefaultCounts
>    Envelope Index
>    LSMMap
>
> 5. Restart Mail.  You will be asked if you want to import your
> messages.  Say yes and let it happen.
> 6. Have a look to see if the ghost messages are gone.
>
> Good Luck!
>
> Ken
>
> Nathan Crosby wrote:
>> I have two items in my Mail inbox that I can't delete. The contents
>> have been deleted but the headers remain. I can't drag them or delete
>> by the normal means.
>> A search reveals nothing.  One item is 'Topaz Trial Licenses' and the
>> other is 'Topaz product Updates'
>> Are they with me for ever?
>>
>> Nathan
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From p.hunter at ntlworld.com  Mon May 11 08:48:10 2009
From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 08:48:10 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Wanted G3 Powermac
In-Reply-To: <115283.78202.qm@web26704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <115283.78202.qm@web26704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <EE0F3AD1-51E0-4206-BB96-ACA8451D1C69@ntlworld.com>

Hi Joe,

As you didn't call me back yesterday evening, I assume you don't want  
the G3 B&W after all?

So, if anyone else wants it before I offer it on Freecycle, please  
shout now.

Peter

On 10 May 2009, at 00:52, joe butler wrote:

>
>
> Hi all
>
> Having given away about 30 off the buggers in the last few years I  
> find myself in need of one for a project I'm working on, I'm looking  
> to pay as little as possible as there old and crap! as long as it  
> will run tiger ( very slowly is fine!) I'm happy. Even a beige one  
> would do the job.
> At a real push a G3 imac would do the job ( given loads of them away  
> as well!)
>
> Thanks
> Joe
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From h.tamplin at btinternet.com  Mon May 11 09:39:26 2009
From: h.tamplin at btinternet.com (Heather Tamplin)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 09:39:26 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] wireless connection
In-Reply-To: <6CEAB9A3-B998-4817-9E53-CE4F6863F233@mac.com>
References: <5BFC85FF-2C26-4C5F-ABF1-6E4B8ABCA6C2@btinternet.com>
	<6CEAB9A3-B998-4817-9E53-CE4F6863F233@mac.com>
Message-ID: <2DAEED8D-2D2F-4A29-894B-3D074B67F2E6@btinternet.com>

Barry and Ken,
thanks for info

alas no airport card
is the extreme airport card compatible fairly cheap at the moment on  
the great Bay of EE

Heather

On 10 May 2009, at 23:34, Barry Youngs wrote:

> Heather
> I was using a G5 until upgrading to a new Intel Imac and as far as I
> know the G5 already have an Airport Card installed. It will work with
> the BT HomeHub (mine did).
> Go into the airport setting on the top of the screen and turn Airport
> on, then select a network and your home hub should show up in there.
> You will need to type in your password(for the hub) onto your
> daughters machine as it will only recognise one static isp address. Or
> you could load the cd that came with your hub onto your daughters
> machine, I had to do that with my brothers laptop when he wanted to
> use my connection at my house.
> Hope this helps, BTW I didn't have a base station it just worked!
> Barry
>
> On 10 May 2009, at 22:36, Heather Tamplin wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> daughters G5 dual powermac needs to connect wirelessly
>> If I get airport extreme card will it work with BT home hub ?
>> do I need to get base station too?? Boldly going nowhere
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

Heather Tamplin

www.heathertamplin.co.uk

"Art is the only way to run away without leaving home."
Twyla Tharp






From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Mon May 11 09:57:05 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 09:57:05 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Inboxl -2 items will not delete
In-Reply-To: <ADAAD7EC-1BE0-4F79-9666-90F365EBE658@virgin.net>
References: <1E0E7839-04BA-487B-9323-8DCDAE93D5D5@virgin.net>	<4A0764E7.3030203@stackyard.org>
	<ADAAD7EC-1BE0-4F79-9666-90F365EBE658@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <4A07E861.1030405@stackyard.org>

Not meaning to ask a stupid question but are you sure?  You have 
re-imported mail and you may find some very old messages which have 
reset themselves far down the list.  I don't know how extensive your 
Inbox is but look back in time.  Also look in any subfolders if you have 
any.  If there are really none, highlight all messages in your Inbox and 
then under the Message menu, select Mark -> Read.  If the only choice is 
Unread, try marking one message as Unread and then highlight all and 
mark as Read.

If this still doesn't work, exit mail, go back into Library/Mail and 
rename the file MessageUidsAlreadyDownloaded3 with some other catchy 
name like NOTMessageUidsAlreadyDownloaded3.  Then try mail again.

Glad you're making progress.

Ken

Nathan Crosby wrote:
> Ken as I mentioned, the ghost messages have now gone.
> The only slight problem  is that the Mail 'postage stamp' in the dock,
> tells me that there are 9 unread messages, whereas in fact there are  
> none.
> Do you have a trick for that?
>
> Nathan
>
>
>
> On 11 May 2009, at 00:36, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
>   
>> Nathan,
>>
>> Give the following a try:
>>
>> 1. Exit Mail if it's running.
>> 2. Go into your user's library folder.
>> 3. Duplicate the Mail folder there in case bad things happen.
>> 4. Go into the Mail folder and delete the following files:
>>
>>    DefaultCounts
>>    Envelope Index
>>    LSMMap
>>
>> 5. Restart Mail.  You will be asked if you want to import your
>> messages.  Say yes and let it happen.
>> 6. Have a look to see if the ghost messages are gone.
>>
>> Good Luck!
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> Nathan Crosby wrote:
>>     
>>> I have two items in my Mail inbox that I can't delete. The contents
>>> have been deleted but the headers remain. I can't drag them or delete
>>> by the normal means.
>>> A search reveals nothing.  One item is 'Topaz Trial Licenses' and the
>>> other is 'Topaz product Updates'
>>> Are they with me for ever?
>>>
>>> Nathan
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Mon May 11 10:19:22 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 10:19:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] wireless connection
In-Reply-To: <2DAEED8D-2D2F-4A29-894B-3D074B67F2E6@btinternet.com>
References: <5BFC85FF-2C26-4C5F-ABF1-6E4B8ABCA6C2@btinternet.com>	<6CEAB9A3-B998-4817-9E53-CE4F6863F233@mac.com>
	<2DAEED8D-2D2F-4A29-894B-3D074B67F2E6@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <4A07ED9A.6040001@stackyard.org>

Heather,

I'm into having an easy life rather than pursuing a bargain so I can't 
recommend buying this kind of thing off eBay.  I might be fine or it 
might not work and you will spend a lot of effort trying to get it to 
work before slowly coming to the unhappy realization that it's dead 
(seen it happen many times).  I would buy the real thing from a shop.  
If you can't find an Airport card handy, there's nothing to prevent you 
using a bulk standard USB wireless adapter provided there are MacOS 
drivers available for it.  Netgear's dull and boring WG111 v3 has Mac 
drivers and you might find it easier to locate.

Ken

Heather Tamplin wrote:
> Barry and Ken,
> thanks for info
>
> alas no airport card
> is the extreme airport card compatible fairly cheap at the moment on  
> the great Bay of EE
>
> Heather
>
> On 10 May 2009, at 23:34, Barry Youngs wrote:
>
>   
>> Heather
>> I was using a G5 until upgrading to a new Intel Imac and as far as I
>> know the G5 already have an Airport Card installed. It will work with
>> the BT HomeHub (mine did).
>> Go into the airport setting on the top of the screen and turn Airport
>> on, then select a network and your home hub should show up in there.
>> You will need to type in your password(for the hub) onto your
>> daughters machine as it will only recognise one static isp address. Or
>> you could load the cd that came with your hub onto your daughters
>> machine, I had to do that with my brothers laptop when he wanted to
>> use my connection at my house.
>> Hope this helps, BTW I didn't have a base station it just worked!
>> Barry
>>
>> On 10 May 2009, at 22:36, Heather Tamplin wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> daughters G5 dual powermac needs to connect wirelessly
>>> If I get airport extreme card will it work with BT home hub ?
>>> do I need to get base station too?? Boldly going nowhere
>>>       
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>     
>
> Heather Tamplin
>
> www.heathertamplin.co.uk
>
> "Art is the only way to run away without leaving home."
> Twyla Tharp
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From Interjay2 at btinternet.com  Mon May 11 12:23:20 2009
From: Interjay2 at btinternet.com (Peter James)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 12:23:20 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Wanted G3 Powermac
References: <115283.78202.qm@web26704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<EE0F3AD1-51E0-4206-BB96-ACA8451D1C69@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <EDC5BF86B47F48C1938BA227AAF74754@fujitsu>

Hi Peter,
Having just sold my eMac, I am on the lookout for a portable, but don't know 
previous Apple models that well . Also, I don't want to take it just because 
it's available, but can you let meknow if it will it handle Video editing 
please ?
Thanks and regards
Peter James
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Hunter" <p.hunter at ntlworld.com>
To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [NMUG] Wanted G3 Powermac


> Hi Joe,
>
> As you didn't call me back yesterday evening, I assume you don't want
> the G3 B&W after all?
>
> So, if anyone else wants it before I offer it on Freecycle, please
> shout now.
>
> Peter
>
> On 10 May 2009, at 00:52, joe butler wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Having given away about 30 off the buggers in the last few years I
>> find myself in need of one for a project I'm working on, I'm looking
>> to pay as little as possible as there old and crap! as long as it
>> will run tiger ( very slowly is fine!) I'm happy. Even a beige one
>> would do the job.
>> At a real push a G3 imac would do the job ( given loads of them away
>> as well!)
>>
>> Thanks
>> Joe
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


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From nathan.crosby at virgin.net  Mon May 11 17:44:14 2009
From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 17:44:14 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Inboxl -2 items will not delete
In-Reply-To: <4A07E861.1030405@stackyard.org>
References: <1E0E7839-04BA-487B-9323-8DCDAE93D5D5@virgin.net>	<4A0764E7.3030203@stackyard.org>
	<ADAAD7EC-1BE0-4F79-9666-90F365EBE658@virgin.net>
	<4A07E861.1030405@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <0BED4BA5-A942-4679-BDA0-597AA4E2D334@virgin.net>

Ken, you're right of course. 9 items in my mail boxes thought that  
they hadn't been read'
Great.

Nathan


On 11 May 2009, at 09:57, Ken Hamer wrote:

> Not meaning to ask a stupid question but are you sure?  You have
> re-imported mail and you may find some very old messages which have
> reset themselves far down the list.  I don't know how extensive your
> Inbox is but look back in time.  Also look in any subfolders if you  
> have
> any.  If there are really none, highlight all messages in your Inbox  
> and
> then under the Message menu, select Mark -> Read.  If the only  
> choice is
> Unread, try marking one message as Unread and then highlight all and
> mark as Read.
>
> If this still doesn't work, exit mail, go back into Library/Mail and
> rename the file MessageUidsAlreadyDownloaded3 with some other catchy
> name like NOTMessageUidsAlreadyDownloaded3.  Then try mail again.
>
> Glad you're making progress.
>
> Ken
>
> Nathan Crosby wrote:
>> Ken as I mentioned, the ghost messages have now gone.
>> The only slight problem  is that the Mail 'postage stamp' in the  
>> dock,
>> tells me that there are 9 unread messages, whereas in fact there are
>> none.
>> Do you have a trick for that?
>>
>> Nathan
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11 May 2009, at 00:36, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Nathan,
>>>
>>> Give the following a try:
>>>
>>> 1. Exit Mail if it's running.
>>> 2. Go into your user's library folder.
>>> 3. Duplicate the Mail folder there in case bad things happen.
>>> 4. Go into the Mail folder and delete the following files:
>>>
>>>   DefaultCounts
>>>   Envelope Index
>>>   LSMMap
>>>
>>> 5. Restart Mail.  You will be asked if you want to import your
>>> messages.  Say yes and let it happen.
>>> 6. Have a look to see if the ghost messages are gone.
>>>
>>> Good Luck!
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> Nathan Crosby wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have two items in my Mail inbox that I can't delete. The contents
>>>> have been deleted but the headers remain. I can't drag them or  
>>>> delete
>>>> by the normal means.
>>>> A search reveals nothing.  One item is 'Topaz Trial Licenses' and  
>>>> the
>>>> other is 'Topaz product Updates'
>>>> Are they with me for ever?
>>>>
>>>> Nathan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Mon May 11 18:37:35 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 18:37:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Inboxl -2 items will not delete
In-Reply-To: <0BED4BA5-A942-4679-BDA0-597AA4E2D334@virgin.net>
References: <1E0E7839-04BA-487B-9323-8DCDAE93D5D5@virgin.net>	<4A0764E7.3030203@stackyard.org>	<ADAAD7EC-1BE0-4F79-9666-90F365EBE658@virgin.net>	<4A07E861.1030405@stackyard.org>
	<0BED4BA5-A942-4679-BDA0-597AA4E2D334@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <4A08625F.6070705@stackyard.org>

Yes, I suspected there might be a few hiding somewhere.

Nathan Crosby wrote:
> Ken, you're right of course. 9 items in my mail boxes thought that  
> they hadn't been read'
> Great.
>
> Nathan
>
>
> On 11 May 2009, at 09:57, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
>   
>> Not meaning to ask a stupid question but are you sure?  You have
>> re-imported mail and you may find some very old messages which have
>> reset themselves far down the list.  I don't know how extensive your
>> Inbox is but look back in time.  Also look in any subfolders if you  
>> have
>> any.  If there are really none, highlight all messages in your Inbox  
>> and
>> then under the Message menu, select Mark -> Read.  If the only  
>> choice is
>> Unread, try marking one message as Unread and then highlight all and
>> mark as Read.
>>
>> If this still doesn't work, exit mail, go back into Library/Mail and
>> rename the file MessageUidsAlreadyDownloaded3 with some other catchy
>> name like NOTMessageUidsAlreadyDownloaded3.  Then try mail again.
>>
>> Glad you're making progress.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> Nathan Crosby wrote:
>>     
>>> Ken as I mentioned, the ghost messages have now gone.
>>> The only slight problem  is that the Mail 'postage stamp' in the  
>>> dock,
>>> tells me that there are 9 unread messages, whereas in fact there are
>>> none.
>>> Do you have a trick for that?
>>>
>>> Nathan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11 May 2009, at 00:36, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Nathan,
>>>>
>>>> Give the following a try:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Exit Mail if it's running.
>>>> 2. Go into your user's library folder.
>>>> 3. Duplicate the Mail folder there in case bad things happen.
>>>> 4. Go into the Mail folder and delete the following files:
>>>>
>>>>   DefaultCounts
>>>>   Envelope Index
>>>>   LSMMap
>>>>
>>>> 5. Restart Mail.  You will be asked if you want to import your
>>>> messages.  Say yes and let it happen.
>>>> 6. Have a look to see if the ghost messages are gone.
>>>>
>>>> Good Luck!
>>>>
>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>>> Nathan Crosby wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> I have two items in my Mail inbox that I can't delete. The contents
>>>>> have been deleted but the headers remain. I can't drag them or  
>>>>> delete
>>>>> by the normal means.
>>>>> A search reveals nothing.  One item is 'Topaz Trial Licenses' and  
>>>>> the
>>>>> other is 'Topaz product Updates'
>>>>> Are they with me for ever?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nathan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From p.hunter at ntlworld.com  Tue May 12 00:54:51 2009
From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 00:54:51 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Wanted G3 Powermac
In-Reply-To: <EDC5BF86B47F48C1938BA227AAF74754@fujitsu>
References: <115283.78202.qm@web26704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<EE0F3AD1-51E0-4206-BB96-ACA8451D1C69@ntlworld.com>
	<EDC5BF86B47F48C1938BA227AAF74754@fujitsu>
Message-ID: <F952A71A-D11F-4792-9C33-5AD33A24F93D@ntlworld.com>

Hi Peter,
I'm not sure. It only has a 350 Hz processor, with 448 MB RAM, running  
OS X 10.4.11.

It isn't portable though, it's a desktop machine.

Probably someone else - such as Simon - on here will know if it will  
do what you want.

Peter

On 11 May 2009, at 12:23, Peter James wrote:

> Hi Peter,
> Having just sold my eMac, I am on the lookout for a portable, but  
> don't know
> previous Apple models that well . Also, I don't want to take it just  
> because
> it's available, but can you let meknow if it will it handle Video  
> editing
> please ?
> Thanks and regards
> Peter James
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Hunter" <p.hunter at ntlworld.com>
> To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 8:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Wanted G3 Powermac
>
>
>> Hi Joe,
>>
>> As you didn't call me back yesterday evening, I assume you don't want
>> the G3 B&W after all?
>>
>> So, if anyone else wants it before I offer it on Freecycle, please
>> shout now.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> On 10 May 2009, at 00:52, joe butler wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Having given away about 30 off the buggers in the last few years I
>>> find myself in need of one for a project I'm working on, I'm looking
>>> to pay as little as possible as there old and crap! as long as it
>>> will run tiger ( very slowly is fine!) I'm happy. Even a beige one
>>> would do the job.
>>> At a real push a G3 imac would do the job ( given loads of them away
>>> as well!)
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Joe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
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>
>
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From Interjay2 at btinternet.com  Tue May 12 07:09:55 2009
From: Interjay2 at btinternet.com (Peter James)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 07:09:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Wanted G3 Powermac
References: <115283.78202.qm@web26704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com><EE0F3AD1-51E0-4206-BB96-ACA8451D1C69@ntlworld.com><EDC5BF86B47F48C1938BA227AAF74754@fujitsu>
	<F952A71A-D11F-4792-9C33-5AD33A24F93D@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <39D684A69C7443649C02201BC27E493E@fujitsu>

Hi Peter,
Thanks for the reply, but I don't think it's powerful enough for Video and 
therefore not the machine for me.
No doubt, someone else more deserving will find a usefor it.
Regards
Peter J

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Hunter" <p.hunter at ntlworld.com>
To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 12:54 AM
Subject: Re: [NMUG] Wanted G3 Powermac


> Hi Peter,
> I'm not sure. It only has a 350 Hz processor, with 448 MB RAM, running
> OS X 10.4.11.
>
> It isn't portable though, it's a desktop machine.
>
> Probably someone else - such as Simon - on here will know if it will
> do what you want.
>
> Peter
>
> On 11 May 2009, at 12:23, Peter James wrote:
>
>> Hi Peter,
>> Having just sold my eMac, I am on the lookout for a portable, but
>> don't know
>> previous Apple models that well . Also, I don't want to take it just
>> because
>> it's available, but can you let meknow if it will it handle Video
>> editing
>> please ?
>> Thanks and regards
>> Peter James
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Peter Hunter" <p.hunter at ntlworld.com>
>> To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 8:48 AM
>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Wanted G3 Powermac
>>
>>
>>> Hi Joe,
>>>
>>> As you didn't call me back yesterday evening, I assume you don't want
>>> the G3 B&W after all?
>>>
>>> So, if anyone else wants it before I offer it on Freecycle, please
>>> shout now.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> On 10 May 2009, at 00:52, joe butler wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all
>>>>
>>>> Having given away about 30 off the buggers in the last few years I
>>>> find myself in need of one for a project I'm working on, I'm looking
>>>> to pay as little as possible as there old and crap! as long as it
>>>> will run tiger ( very slowly is fine!) I'm happy. Even a beige one
>>>> would do the job.
>>>> At a real push a G3 imac would do the job ( given loads of them away
>>>> as well!)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
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From jeremyknight at mac.com  Tue May 12 09:52:15 2009
From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 09:52:15 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] recommendations for video clips
In-Reply-To: <39D684A69C7443649C02201BC27E493E@fujitsu>
References: <115283.78202.qm@web26704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<EE0F3AD1-51E0-4206-BB96-ACA8451D1C69@ntlworld.com>
	<EDC5BF86B47F48C1938BA227AAF74754@fujitsu>
	<F952A71A-D11F-4792-9C33-5AD33A24F93D@ntlworld.com>
	<39D684A69C7443649C02201BC27E493E@fujitsu>
Message-ID: <355077FE-138B-4FBA-8F29-39FAA64F273F@mac.com>


Morning All,
May I have members recommendations for playing video clips please?
The ones that worked with quicktime under 10.4 now require a plugin  
under 10.5
  and i understand there are some applications  like Graphic converter  
that will detect and play.
jeremy



From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com  Tue May 12 10:06:22 2009
From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:06:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Licence
Message-ID: <659ED5EB-E857-4063-A985-3DF79AB91B08@ruthmurray.f2s.com>

HI folks

I have my own bona fide disc for iWork 05 but I can't find the  
license number within the package.  It's a genuine disc but I bought  
it from someone else off eBay. I don't want to buy the whole iWork  
suite again. It's frustrating because I only really need 'Pages'.
Is there anything I can do to retrieve it somehow. Do I contact Apple?

Ruth




From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue May 12 10:22:12 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:22:12 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Licence
In-Reply-To: <659ED5EB-E857-4063-A985-3DF79AB91B08@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
References: <659ED5EB-E857-4063-A985-3DF79AB91B08@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
Message-ID: <04E3869B-A316-4465-9E7B-08288F29D073@durrant.co.uk>

If it's like iWork '06, it should have come with a serial number,  
possibly on some sticky labels. Look on the inside front cover of the  
manuals?

If you don't have the serial number, you haven't bought a copy of  
iWork '05, you just have the equivalent of the trial version disk.

You need to contact your eBay seller about the serial number if you  
can't find it.

Paul


On 12 May 2009, at 10:06, Ruth Murray wrote:

> HI folks
>
> I have my own bona fide disc for iWork 05 but I can't find the
> license number within the package.  It's a genuine disc but I bought
> it from someone else off eBay. I don't want to buy the whole iWork
> suite again. It's frustrating because I only really need 'Pages'.
> Is there anything I can do to retrieve it somehow. Do I contact Apple?



From ricnev at mac.com  Tue May 12 10:38:55 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:38:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] recommendations for video clips
In-Reply-To: <355077FE-138B-4FBA-8F29-39FAA64F273F@mac.com>
References: <115283.78202.qm@web26704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<EE0F3AD1-51E0-4206-BB96-ACA8451D1C69@ntlworld.com>
	<EDC5BF86B47F48C1938BA227AAF74754@fujitsu>
	<F952A71A-D11F-4792-9C33-5AD33A24F93D@ntlworld.com>
	<39D684A69C7443649C02201BC27E493E@fujitsu>
	<355077FE-138B-4FBA-8F29-39FAA64F273F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <980091D5-8EDB-48C9-93ED-282788E40EE7@mac.com>

There are many different video filetypes, so it is difficult to give  
specific advice.

I haven't had any problems viewing any video I had running under 10.4  
when I switched to 10.5 - although I must admit I haven't checked all  
of them.

One way round the problem is to view the video using the very good  
open source VLC Player, which can handle almost any video file you  
throw at it:

http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-macosx.html

Richard Nevill.


On 12 May 2009, at 09:52, jeremy knight wrote:

>
> Morning All,
> May I have members recommendations for playing video clips please?
> The ones that worked with quicktime under 10.4 now require a plugin
> under 10.5
>  and i understand there are some applications  like Graphic converter
> that will detect and play.
> jeremy
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com





From macman at f2s.com  Tue May 12 10:49:12 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 10:49:12 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] recommendations for video clips
In-Reply-To: <355077FE-138B-4FBA-8F29-39FAA64F273F@mac.com>
References: <115283.78202.qm@web26704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<EE0F3AD1-51E0-4206-BB96-ACA8451D1C69@ntlworld.com>
	<EDC5BF86B47F48C1938BA227AAF74754@fujitsu>
	<F952A71A-D11F-4792-9C33-5AD33A24F93D@ntlworld.com>
	<39D684A69C7443649C02201BC27E493E@fujitsu>
	<355077FE-138B-4FBA-8F29-39FAA64F273F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <48A70B26-AB35-4297-8CEF-95DCC87C7DC7@f2s.com>

With Flip4Mac installed,  I rarely have problems, but you may want to  
try Real Player ...

http://tinyurl.com/3rjw95

http://tinyurl.com/dda3r7

And VLC can run just about anything!

http://tinyurl.com/brzgp

Hope this helps ....

Robbie





On 12 May 2009, at 09:52, jeremy knight wrote:


Morning All,
May I have members recommendations for playing video clips please?
The ones that worked with quicktime under 10.4 now require a plugin
under 10.5
  and i understand there are some applications  like Graphic converter
that will detect and play.
jeremy

_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
NMUG at durrant.co.uk
http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com  Tue May 12 11:08:32 2009
From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 11:08:32 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Licence
In-Reply-To: <04E3869B-A316-4465-9E7B-08288F29D073@durrant.co.uk>
References: <659ED5EB-E857-4063-A985-3DF79AB91B08@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
	<04E3869B-A316-4465-9E7B-08288F29D073@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C7407219-BD3F-40DF-9914-578FE0A54F36@ruthmurray.f2s.com>

Hi Paul

I did have a good look at the documentation and I did email the  
seller who said the same as you.

I will have to continue looking.

Thanks

Ruth


On 12 May 2009, at 10:22, Paul Durrant wrote:

> If it's like iWork '06, it should have come with a serial number,
> possibly on some sticky labels. Look on the inside front cover of the
> manuals?
>
> If you don't have the serial number, you haven't bought a copy of
> iWork '05, you just have the equivalent of the trial version disk.
>
> You need to contact your eBay seller about the serial number if you
> can't find it.
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 12 May 2009, at 10:06, Ruth Murray wrote:
>
>> HI folks
>>
>> I have my own bona fide disc for iWork 05 but I can't find the
>> license number within the package.  It's a genuine disc but I bought
>> it from someone else off eBay. I don't want to buy the whole iWork
>> suite again. It's frustrating because I only really need 'Pages'.
>> Is there anything I can do to retrieve it somehow. Do I contact  
>> Apple?
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Ruth Murray
ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com

Ruth Murray
Graphic Design and Illustration
01603 632334

Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net






From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue May 12 12:21:55 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 12:21:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 200+GB HD In PowerBook & Access To Music Collection
Message-ID: <655E1F47-9871-43DD-B801-7B62533944CA@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I currently have an 80GB hard drive in my PowerBook G4 Titanium, which  
is enough for what I needed. I have three partitions: 69GB for  
Leopard, 4GB for Tiger and 1GB for OS9 - all bootable.

I have 120GB of music sitting on an external hard drive - which is a  
pain as use a laptop and don't want to keep plugging it in.

I know I cannot put anything larger than a 120GB hard drive in it,  
without partitioning it, but it would be nice to have all my music  
stored on my laptop - for instant access.

Firstly, is it wise to whack a 200+GB hard drive in and store all my  
music internally?
Secondly, would it be better to install a second hard drive - in place  
of the optical drive?
Thirdly, is there a better way I can have access to my music easily?

Regards

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From allan at dsol.co.uk  Tue May 12 12:35:14 2009
From: allan at dsol.co.uk (Allan)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 12:35:14 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] eSata cards
Message-ID: <FACE366F-CD9A-4678-8753-6DDF13A832E0@dsol.co.uk>

I'm not sure whether this issue has been addressed before but does  
anyone use eSAT PCI Express cards with a MacPro? I'm getting a lot of  
conflicting information, even from manufacturers, so I'm hoping there  
is a user who can share their experience.

I would like to have a one or two port PCI Express eSATA card  
compatible with a 2.8GHz Quad-Core Intel MacPro running OS 10.5.6 and  
the Western Digital 2TB My Book Studio Edition that have I for storage  
only and NOT as RAID. At the moment, the WD works well enough with  
Firewire 800 but I would like to take advantage of the eSATA  
connection, if only to see if it does provide a faster transfer.

While this subject may not be of interest to a lot of users, if there  
is someone who has first hand experience they would like to share with  
me, please contact me off-list at allanmacam at me.com.

Allan Johns.


From bazyoungs at mac.com  Tue May 12 17:38:22 2009
From: bazyoungs at mac.com (Barry Youngs)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 17:38:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Licence
In-Reply-To: <659ED5EB-E857-4063-A985-3DF79AB91B08@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
References: <659ED5EB-E857-4063-A985-3DF79AB91B08@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
Message-ID: <BF506C3E-5493-4623-9C6D-F8EFA3D36AF9@mac.com>

Ruth
Did you resolve your problem?
If you didn't, I have a genuine copy of IWork 05 that you can have, I  
bought it a while ago but never installed it so it is just sitting  
here doing nothing. Let me know if you want it and we can arrange  
delivery to you, unfortunately I am working for the next 9 days so you  
may have to pick it up from Spixworth. If this is any help let me know
Barry
On 12 May 2009, at 10:06, Ruth Murray wrote:

> HI folks
>
> I have my own bona fide disc for iWork 05 but I can't find the
> license number within the package.  It's a genuine disc but I bought

A DAY WITHOUT SUNSHINE IS LIKE, NIGHT





From richardivers at mac.com  Tue May 12 19:49:18 2009
From: richardivers at mac.com (Richard Ivers)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 19:49:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Licence
In-Reply-To: <BF506C3E-5493-4623-9C6D-F8EFA3D36AF9@mac.com>
References: <659ED5EB-E857-4063-A985-3DF79AB91B08@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
	<BF506C3E-5493-4623-9C6D-F8EFA3D36AF9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <2A743948-FF46-43F4-8FC1-67619B2E1AC1@mac.com>

Hi Ruth, I have a genuine copy of iWorks 08 which u can borrow. I live  
near Blue Boar lane. If u want to borrow call me 01603 484765.
Richard
On 12 May 2009, at 17:38, Barry Youngs wrote:

> Ruth
> Did you resolve your problem?
> If you didn't, I have a genuine copy of IWork 05 that you can have, I
> bought it a while ago but never installed it so it is just sitting
> here doing nothing. Let me know if you want it and we can arrange
> delivery to you, unfortunately I am working for the next 9 days so you
> may have to pick it up from Spixworth. If this is any help let me know
> Barry
> On 12 May 2009, at 10:06, Ruth Murray wrote:
>
>> HI folks
>>
>> I have my own bona fide disc for iWork 05 but I can't find the
>> license number within the package.  It's a genuine disc but I bought
>
> A DAY WITHOUT SUNSHINE IS LIKE, NIGHT
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk  Tue May 12 19:56:46 2009
From: footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk (joe butler)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 18:56:46 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NMUG] Wanted G3 Powermac
Message-ID: <160404.53437.qm@web26707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi
Sorry peter been having phone/interweb problems. If you still have the G3 i would still like to take it, if not no probs. If you still want the XP disk let me know
Joe


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--- On Tue, 12/5/09, Peter Hunter <p.hunter at ntlworld.com> wrote:


From: Peter Hunter <p.hunter at ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [NMUG] Wanted G3 Powermac
To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Date: Tuesday, 12 May, 2009, 12:54 AM


Hi Peter,
I'm not sure. It only has a 350 Hz processor, with 448 MB RAM, running? 
OS X 10.4.11.

It isn't portable though, it's a desktop machine.

Probably someone else - such as Simon - on here will know if it will? 
do what you want.

Peter

On 11 May 2009, at 12:23, Peter James wrote:

> Hi Peter,
> Having just sold my eMac, I am on the lookout for a portable, but? 
> don't know
> previous Apple models that well . Also, I don't want to take it just? 
> because
> it's available, but can you let meknow if it will it handle Video? 
> editing
> please ?
> Thanks and regards
> Peter James
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Hunter" <p.hunter at ntlworld.com>
> To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 8:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Wanted G3 Powermac
>
>
>> Hi Joe,
>>
>> As you didn't call me back yesterday evening, I assume you don't want
>> the G3 B&W after all?
>>
>> So, if anyone else wants it before I offer it on Freecycle, please
>> shout now.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> On 10 May 2009, at 00:52, joe butler wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> Having given away about 30 off the buggers in the last few years I
>>> find myself in need of one for a project I'm working on, I'm looking
>>> to pay as little as possible as there old and crap! as long as it
>>> will run tiger ( very slowly is fine!) I'm happy. Even a beige one
>>> would do the job.
>>> At a real push a G3 imac would do the job ( given loads of them away
>>> as well!)
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Joe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
> Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date:? 
> 05/10/09
> 07:02:00
>
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From p.hunter at ntlworld.com  Tue May 12 22:49:44 2009
From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 22:49:44 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Wanted G3 Powermac
In-Reply-To: <160404.53437.qm@web26707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <160404.53437.qm@web26707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <56A299D8-F4FD-4C0A-9A19-C455E1BF64B2@ntlworld.com>

Hi Joe,
I thought you had done a runner or something!!

Yes on both counts. Give me a call and we can arrange it.

Peter

On 12 May 2009, at 19:56, joe butler wrote:

> Hi
> Sorry peter been having phone/interweb problems. If you still have  
> the G3 i would still like to take it, if not no probs. If you still  
> want the XP disk let me know
> Joe
>
>
> Cheap and Free mobile phones
> http://www.nimrod.2u.co.uk
>
> Iphone and Ipod Insurance
> http://nimrod.2u.co.uk/insurance
>
> Get your own FREE mobile phones sales website
> http://nimrod.2uaffiliates.com/join/
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 12/5/09, Peter Hunter <p.hunter at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Peter Hunter <p.hunter at ntlworld.com>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Wanted G3 Powermac
> To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Date: Tuesday, 12 May, 2009, 12:54 AM
>
>
> Hi Peter,
> I'm not sure. It only has a 350 Hz processor, with 448 MB RAM, running
> OS X 10.4.11.
>
> It isn't portable though, it's a desktop machine.
>
> Probably someone else - such as Simon - on here will know if it will
> do what you want.
>
> Peter
>
> On 11 May 2009, at 12:23, Peter James wrote:
>
>> Hi Peter,
>> Having just sold my eMac, I am on the lookout for a portable, but
>> don't know
>> previous Apple models that well . Also, I don't want to take it just
>> because
>> it's available, but can you let meknow if it will it handle Video
>> editing
>> please ?
>> Thanks and regards
>> Peter James
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Peter Hunter" <p.hunter at ntlworld.com>
>> To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 8:48 AM
>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Wanted G3 Powermac
>>
>>
>>> Hi Joe,
>>>
>>> As you didn't call me back yesterday evening, I assume you don't  
>>> want
>>> the G3 B&W after all?
>>>
>>> So, if anyone else wants it before I offer it on Freecycle, please
>>> shout now.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> On 10 May 2009, at 00:52, joe butler wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all
>>>>
>>>> Having given away about 30 off the buggers in the last few years I
>>>> find myself in need of one for a project I'm working on, I'm  
>>>> looking
>>>> to pay as little as possible as there old and crap! as long as it
>>>> will run tiger ( very slowly is fine!) I'm happy. Even a beige one
>>>> would do the job.
>>>> At a real push a G3 imac would do the job ( given loads of them  
>>>> away
>>>> as well!)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>>
>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>> Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.24/2107 - Release Date:
>> 05/10/09
>> 07:02:00
>>
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> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue May 12 23:01:30 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 23:01:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 10.5.7 Installed
Message-ID: <91D321FA-9C5F-45CC-948D-9F4331A5B33C@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

Apple have just released 10.5.7

Just to let you know. Installed on my PowerBook and all is running  
fine. Used the Software Update method and it installed with no hitches.

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com  Tue May 12 23:19:04 2009
From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 23:19:04 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] (NMUG) Licence
Message-ID: <C4503669-F464-45A9-896D-6064B18B8FA3@ruthmurray.f2s.com>

Thanks to all who responded to the licence problem. No doubt a  
solution will present itself in time!

Ruth



From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Wed May 13 08:34:40 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 08:34:40 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 10.5.7 Installed
In-Reply-To: <91D321FA-9C5F-45CC-948D-9F4331A5B33C@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <91D321FA-9C5F-45CC-948D-9F4331A5B33C@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A0A7810.2040602@stackyard.org>

Yes, installed OK here although for the first time ever, the download I 
did in the night was corrupted and I had to set it off again this 
morning.  Took a long time to install but it's a big update.  Happily, 
as opposed to a couple of previous updates, it has not made my Address 
Book app and database incompatible so I'm happy.

Ken

Simon Royal wrote:
> Hi
>
> Apple have just released 10.5.7
>
> Just to let you know. Installed on my PowerBook and all is running  
> fine. Used the Software Update method and it installed with no hitches.
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From nathan.crosby at virgin.net  Wed May 13 08:38:47 2009
From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 08:38:47 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 10.5.7 Installed
In-Reply-To: <4A0A7810.2040602@stackyard.org>
References: <91D321FA-9C5F-45CC-948D-9F4331A5B33C@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4A0A7810.2040602@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <4D4CEF0E-64BE-44CE-AF0C-8C93AF793F1F@virgin.net>

Any noticeable improvements?

Nathan


On 13 May 2009, at 08:34, Ken Hamer wrote:

> Yes, installed OK here although for the first time ever, the  
> download I
> did in the night was corrupted and I had to set it off again this
> morning.  Took a long time to install but it's a big update.  Happily,
> as opposed to a couple of previous updates, it has not made my Address
> Book app and database incompatible so I'm happy.
>
> Ken
>
> Simon Royal wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> Apple have just released 10.5.7
>>
>> Just to let you know. Installed on my PowerBook and all is running
>> fine. Used the Software Update method and it installed with no  
>> hitches.
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed May 13 08:42:59 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 08:42:59 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 10.5.7 Installed
In-Reply-To: <4A0A7810.2040602@stackyard.org>
References: <91D321FA-9C5F-45CC-948D-9F4331A5B33C@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4A0A7810.2040602@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <B9A152FC-4BB4-46C2-996D-E9ACB9F5EBC0@simonroyal.co.uk>

Ken

On my 867Mhz G4 it took under 30 minutes to download, install and  
reboot.

Simon

On 13 May 2009, at 08:34, Ken Hamer wrote:

> Yes, installed OK here although for the first time ever, the  
> download I
> did in the night was corrupted and I had to set it off again this
> morning.  Took a long time to install but it's a big update.  Happily,
> as opposed to a couple of previous updates, it has not made my Address
> Book app and database incompatible so I'm happy.
>
> Ken
>
> Simon Royal wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> Apple have just released 10.5.7
>>
>> Just to let you know. Installed on my PowerBook and all is running
>> fine. Used the Software Update method and it installed with no  
>> hitches.
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From jinshinjewels at googlemail.com  Wed May 13 07:27:10 2009
From: jinshinjewels at googlemail.com (Jules Slaughter)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 07:27:10 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Training courses
In-Reply-To: <C6180E96.74FC%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>
References: <AcnFN0zaizUPSjEqEd6P0wARJG9XoA==>
	<C6180E96.74FC%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <adb0e98a0905122327j5b340771y2e3d38651b29663c@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Liz

Does that mean you would like to attend one of my Jin Shin Workshops?!!!
Forget improving your Mac, what about your own health!!!

regards
Jules



On 4/25/09, Liz <lizbarnard at btinternet.com> wrote:
> Please put me down for absolutely anything!
>
>
>  Liz barnard
>  _______________________________________________
>  NMUG mailing list
>  NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>  http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>


-- 
Jules

CalmClasses & Therapies
to improve your health.

My business works on referrals.
If you like what I do, please tell others.
If not, please tell me.

From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed May 13 09:03:53 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 09:03:53 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 10.5.7 Installed
In-Reply-To: <4D4CEF0E-64BE-44CE-AF0C-8C93AF793F1F@virgin.net>
References: <91D321FA-9C5F-45CC-948D-9F4331A5B33C@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4A0A7810.2040602@stackyard.org>
	<4D4CEF0E-64BE-44CE-AF0C-8C93AF793F1F@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <F9E5F3F1-DF00-41EC-A2D7-7C839A394D50@simonroyal.co.uk>

Nathan

Nothing yet. No noticeable disadvantages either - which must be a good  
thing.

Reading through the list of 'fixes' they are minor. No new major  
features just fixes to iCal, graphics drivers and security.

Simon

On 13 May 2009, at 08:38, Nathan Crosby wrote:

> Any noticeable improvements?
>
> Nathan
>
>
> On 13 May 2009, at 08:34, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
>> Yes, installed OK here although for the first time ever, the
>> download I
>> did in the night was corrupted and I had to set it off again this
>> morning.  Took a long time to install but it's a big update.   
>> Happily,
>> as opposed to a couple of previous updates, it has not made my  
>> Address
>> Book app and database incompatible so I'm happy.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Apple have just released 10.5.7
>>>
>>> Just to let you know. Installed on my PowerBook and all is running
>>> fine. Used the Software Update method and it installed with no
>>> hitches.
>>>
>>> Simon Royal
>>> ---
>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Wed May 13 09:11:22 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 09:11:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 10.5.7 Installed
In-Reply-To: <B9A152FC-4BB4-46C2-996D-E9ACB9F5EBC0@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <91D321FA-9C5F-45CC-948D-9F4331A5B33C@simonroyal.co.uk>	<4A0A7810.2040602@stackyard.org>
	<B9A152FC-4BB4-46C2-996D-E9ACB9F5EBC0@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A0A80AA.7050302@stackyard.org>

Simon,

I'm out in the middle of nowhere so only have just over 1Mbps on the 
broadband.  It took about 1.5hr just for the download.  I suppose the 
install took about a half hour including the various reboots.  The 
machine is a Mac Mini with a 1.83GHz Core Duo CPU and 2GB of RAM.

Ken

Simon Royal wrote:
> Ken
>
> On my 867Mhz G4 it took under 30 minutes to download, install and  
> reboot.
>
> Simon
>
> On 13 May 2009, at 08:34, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
>   
>> Yes, installed OK here although for the first time ever, the  
>> download I
>> did in the night was corrupted and I had to set it off again this
>> morning.  Took a long time to install but it's a big update.  Happily,
>> as opposed to a couple of previous updates, it has not made my Address
>> Book app and database incompatible so I'm happy.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Apple have just released 10.5.7
>>>
>>> Just to let you know. Installed on my PowerBook and all is running
>>> fine. Used the Software Update method and it installed with no  
>>> hitches.
>>>
>>> Simon Royal
>>> ---
>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>     
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed May 13 09:14:31 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 09:14:31 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 10.5.7 Installed
In-Reply-To: <4A0A80AA.7050302@stackyard.org>
References: <91D321FA-9C5F-45CC-948D-9F4331A5B33C@simonroyal.co.uk>	<4A0A7810.2040602@stackyard.org>
	<B9A152FC-4BB4-46C2-996D-E9ACB9F5EBC0@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4A0A80AA.7050302@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <326AA08F-AE13-43E6-BD4E-19A1341EC95E@simonroyal.co.uk>

Ken

Out of interest, how big was your Intel download?

Simon

On 13 May 2009, at 09:11, Ken Hamer wrote:

> Simon,
>
> I'm out in the middle of nowhere so only have just over 1Mbps on the
> broadband.  It took about 1.5hr just for the download.  I suppose the
> install took about a half hour including the various reboots.  The
> machine is a Mac Mini with a 1.83GHz Core Duo CPU and 2GB of RAM.
>
> Ken
>
> Simon Royal wrote:
>> Ken
>>
>> On my 867Mhz G4 it took under 30 minutes to download, install and
>> reboot.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> On 13 May 2009, at 08:34, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Yes, installed OK here although for the first time ever, the
>>> download I
>>> did in the night was corrupted and I had to set it off again this
>>> morning.  Took a long time to install but it's a big update.   
>>> Happily,
>>> as opposed to a couple of previous updates, it has not made my  
>>> Address
>>> Book app and database incompatible so I'm happy.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> Apple have just released 10.5.7
>>>>
>>>> Just to let you know. Installed on my PowerBook and all is running
>>>> fine. Used the Software Update method and it installed with no
>>>> hitches.
>>>>
>>>> Simon Royal
>>>> ---
>>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From rob at atvetsystems.com  Wed May 13 09:23:05 2009
From: rob at atvetsystems.com (Robert Tillyard)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 09:23:05 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 10.5.7 Installed
In-Reply-To: <F9E5F3F1-DF00-41EC-A2D7-7C839A394D50@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <91D321FA-9C5F-45CC-948D-9F4331A5B33C@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4A0A7810.2040602@stackyard.org>
	<4D4CEF0E-64BE-44CE-AF0C-8C93AF793F1F@virgin.net>
	<F9E5F3F1-DF00-41EC-A2D7-7C839A394D50@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <402A94EA-101D-48E2-A6C7-EF7C36E7D32B@atvetsystems.com>

The latest Safari 4 beta fixes the cut-and-paste to e-mail issue.

Regards, Rob.

On 13 May 2009, at 09:03, Simon Royal wrote:

> Nathan
>
> Nothing yet. No noticeable disadvantages either - which must be a good
> thing.
>
> Reading through the list of 'fixes' they are minor. No new major
> features just fixes to iCal, graphics drivers and security.
>
> Simon



From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk  Wed May 13 09:51:49 2009
From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 09:51:49 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 10.5.7 Installed
In-Reply-To: <402A94EA-101D-48E2-A6C7-EF7C36E7D32B@atvetsystems.com>
References: <91D321FA-9C5F-45CC-948D-9F4331A5B33C@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4A0A7810.2040602@stackyard.org>
	<4D4CEF0E-64BE-44CE-AF0C-8C93AF793F1F@virgin.net>
	<F9E5F3F1-DF00-41EC-A2D7-7C839A394D50@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<402A94EA-101D-48E2-A6C7-EF7C36E7D32B@atvetsystems.com>
Message-ID: <4479C3DB-75D2-46B2-9E1C-CBED7A838F05@freeflightsupplies.co.uk>

Downloaded and installed in about 45 minutes, all seems AOK.

Michael Woodhouse
mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk
http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/




On 13 May 2009, at 09:23, Robert Tillyard wrote:

> The latest Safari 4 beta fixes the cut-and-paste to e-mail issue.
>
> Regards, Rob.
>
> On 13 May 2009, at 09:03, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> Nathan
>>
>> Nothing yet. No noticeable disadvantages either - which must be a  
>> good
>> thing.
>>
>> Reading through the list of 'fixes' they are minor. No new major
>> features just fixes to iCal, graphics drivers and security.
>>
>> Simon
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Wed May 13 14:28:17 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 14:28:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 10.5.7 Installed
In-Reply-To: <326AA08F-AE13-43E6-BD4E-19A1341EC95E@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <91D321FA-9C5F-45CC-948D-9F4331A5B33C@simonroyal.co.uk>	<4A0A7810.2040602@stackyard.org>	<B9A152FC-4BB4-46C2-996D-E9ACB9F5EBC0@simonroyal.co.uk>	<4A0A80AA.7050302@stackyard.org>
	<326AA08F-AE13-43E6-BD4E-19A1341EC95E@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A0ACAF1.2050602@stackyard.org>

About 450MB.

Simon Royal wrote:
> Ken
>
> Out of interest, how big was your Intel download?
>
> Simon
>
> On 13 May 2009, at 09:11, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
>   
>> Simon,
>>
>> I'm out in the middle of nowhere so only have just over 1Mbps on the
>> broadband.  It took about 1.5hr just for the download.  I suppose the
>> install took about a half hour including the various reboots.  The
>> machine is a Mac Mini with a 1.83GHz Core Duo CPU and 2GB of RAM.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>     
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> On my 867Mhz G4 it took under 30 minutes to download, install and
>>> reboot.
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>> On 13 May 2009, at 08:34, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Yes, installed OK here although for the first time ever, the
>>>> download I
>>>> did in the night was corrupted and I had to set it off again this
>>>> morning.  Took a long time to install but it's a big update.   
>>>> Happily,
>>>> as opposed to a couple of previous updates, it has not made my  
>>>> Address
>>>> Book app and database incompatible so I'm happy.
>>>>
>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple have just released 10.5.7
>>>>>
>>>>> Just to let you know. Installed on my PowerBook and all is running
>>>>> fine. Used the Software Update method and it installed with no
>>>>> hitches.
>>>>>
>>>>> Simon Royal
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> Simon Royal
>>> ---
>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>     
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed May 13 15:27:22 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 15:27:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 10.5.7 Installed
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References: <91D321FA-9C5F-45CC-948D-9F4331A5B33C@simonroyal.co.uk>	<4A0A7810.2040602@stackyard.org>	<B9A152FC-4BB4-46C2-996D-E9ACB9F5EBC0@simonroyal.co.uk>	<4A0A80AA.7050302@stackyard.org>
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Ken

That's almost twice the PowerPC size.

Simon

On 13 May 2009, at 14:28, Ken Hamer wrote:

> About 450MB.
>
> Simon Royal wrote:
>> Ken
>>
>> Out of interest, how big was your Intel download?
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> On 13 May 2009, at 09:11, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Simon,
>>>
>>> I'm out in the middle of nowhere so only have just over 1Mbps on the
>>> broadband.  It took about 1.5hr just for the download.  I suppose  
>>> the
>>> install took about a half hour including the various reboots.  The
>>> machine is a Mac Mini with a 1.83GHz Core Duo CPU and 2GB of RAM.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>>> On my 867Mhz G4 it took under 30 minutes to download, install and
>>>> reboot.
>>>>
>>>> Simon
>>>>
>>>> On 13 May 2009, at 08:34, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, installed OK here although for the first time ever, the
>>>>> download I
>>>>> did in the night was corrupted and I had to set it off again this
>>>>> morning.  Took a long time to install but it's a big update.
>>>>> Happily,
>>>>> as opposed to a couple of previous updates, it has not made my
>>>>> Address
>>>>> Book app and database incompatible so I'm happy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken
>>>>>
>>>>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apple have just released 10.5.7
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just to let you know. Installed on my PowerBook and all is  
>>>>>> running
>>>>>> fine. Used the Software Update method and it installed with no
>>>>>> hitches.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Simon Royal
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>>>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>>>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Simon Royal
>>>> ---
>>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
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'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Wed May 13 15:40:13 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 15:40:13 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 10.5.7 Installed
In-Reply-To: <3D32589D-6B76-4FD9-8F36-EDB01B66C83A@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <91D321FA-9C5F-45CC-948D-9F4331A5B33C@simonroyal.co.uk>	<4A0A7810.2040602@stackyard.org>	<B9A152FC-4BB4-46C2-996D-E9ACB9F5EBC0@simonroyal.co.uk>	<4A0A80AA.7050302@stackyard.org>	<326AA08F-AE13-43E6-BD4E-19A1341EC95E@simonroyal.co.uk>	<4A0ACAF1.2050602@stackyard.org>
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Yes, well, there you are.  When you have to write code for a glorified 
lift controller, it has to be pretty complex.  Proper CPUs are easy.

Simon Royal wrote:
> Ken
>
> That's almost twice the PowerPC size.
>
> Simon
>
> On 13 May 2009, at 14:28, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
>   
>> About 450MB.
>>
>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>     
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> Out of interest, how big was your Intel download?
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>> On 13 May 2009, at 09:11, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Simon,
>>>>
>>>> I'm out in the middle of nowhere so only have just over 1Mbps on the
>>>> broadband.  It took about 1.5hr just for the download.  I suppose  
>>>> the
>>>> install took about a half hour including the various reboots.  The
>>>> machine is a Mac Mini with a 1.83GHz Core Duo CPU and 2GB of RAM.
>>>>
>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Ken
>>>>>
>>>>> On my 867Mhz G4 it took under 30 minutes to download, install and
>>>>> reboot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Simon
>>>>>
>>>>> On 13 May 2009, at 08:34, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Yes, installed OK here although for the first time ever, the
>>>>>> download I
>>>>>> did in the night was corrupted and I had to set it off again this
>>>>>> morning.  Took a long time to install but it's a big update.
>>>>>> Happily,
>>>>>> as opposed to a couple of previous updates, it has not made my
>>>>>> Address
>>>>>> Book app and database incompatible so I'm happy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apple have just released 10.5.7
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just to let you know. Installed on my PowerBook and all is  
>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>> fine. Used the Software Update method and it installed with no
>>>>>>> hitches.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Simon Royal
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>>>>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>>>>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>> Simon Royal
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> Simon Royal
>>> ---
>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
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>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>     
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
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>   


From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Wed May 13 15:44:35 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 15:44:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 10.5.7 Installed
In-Reply-To: <3D32589D-6B76-4FD9-8F36-EDB01B66C83A@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <91D321FA-9C5F-45CC-948D-9F4331A5B33C@simonroyal.co.uk>	<4A0A7810.2040602@stackyard.org>	<B9A152FC-4BB4-46C2-996D-E9ACB9F5EBC0@simonroyal.co.uk>	<4A0A80AA.7050302@stackyard.org>
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	<4A0ACAF1.2050602@stackyard.org>
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So what?

Does it matter? I'm not sure why PPC should be 50% of the size of the  
Intel version, but looking at the support page, the upgrade from  
10.5.6 to .7 is 442Mb and the Combo update is 729 Mb. These are UBs so  
perhaps Ken's was a UB one.

On 13 May 2009, at 15:27, Simon Royal wrote:

> Ken
>
> That's almost twice the PowerPC size.
>
> Simon
>
> On 13 May 2009, at 14:28, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
>> About 450MB.
>>
>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> Out of interest, how big was your Intel download?
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>> On 13 May 2009, at 09:11, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Simon,
>>>>
>>>> I'm out in the middle of nowhere so only have just over 1Mbps on  
>>>> the
>>>> broadband.  It took about 1.5hr just for the download.  I suppose
>>>> the
>>>> install took about a half hour including the various reboots.  The
>>>> machine is a Mac Mini with a 1.83GHz Core Duo CPU and 2GB of RAM.
>>>>
>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ken
>>>>>
>>>>> On my 867Mhz G4 it took under 30 minutes to download, install and
>>>>> reboot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Simon
>>>>>
>>>>> On 13 May 2009, at 08:34, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, installed OK here although for the first time ever, the
>>>>>> download I
>>>>>> did in the night was corrupted and I had to set it off again this
>>>>>> morning.  Took a long time to install but it's a big update.
>>>>>> Happily,
>>>>>> as opposed to a couple of previous updates, it has not made my
>>>>>> Address
>>>>>> Book app and database incompatible so I'm happy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apple have just released 10.5.7
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just to let you know. Installed on my PowerBook and all is
>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>> fine. Used the Software Update method and it installed with no
>>>>>>> hitches.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Simon Royal
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>>>>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>>>>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Simon Royal
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Simon Royal
>>> ---
>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
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>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed May 13 16:17:48 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 16:17:48 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 10.5.7 Installed
In-Reply-To: <E5F03426-BD75-4490-8AA9-E04A5A6C34CB@zen.co.uk>
References: <91D321FA-9C5F-45CC-948D-9F4331A5B33C@simonroyal.co.uk>	<4A0A7810.2040602@stackyard.org>	<B9A152FC-4BB4-46C2-996D-E9ACB9F5EBC0@simonroyal.co.uk>	<4A0A80AA.7050302@stackyard.org>
	<326AA08F-AE13-43E6-BD4E-19A1341EC95E@simonroyal.co.uk>
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	<E5F03426-BD75-4490-8AA9-E04A5A6C34CB@zen.co.uk>
Message-ID: <56632ED7-D433-4F27-84FB-C683004FB3EA@simonroyal.co.uk>

Steven

I'm not saying it matters, but I wouldn't have expected such a huge  
difference in size.

Simon

On 13 May 2009, at 15:44, Steven Jefferson wrote:

> So what?
>
> Does it matter? I'm not sure why PPC should be 50% of the size of the
> Intel version, but looking at the support page, the upgrade from
> 10.5.6 to .7 is 442Mb and the Combo update is 729 Mb. These are UBs so
> perhaps Ken's was a UB one.
>
> On 13 May 2009, at 15:27, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> Ken
>>
>> That's almost twice the PowerPC size.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> On 13 May 2009, at 14:28, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>
>>> About 450MB.
>>>
>>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>>> Out of interest, how big was your Intel download?
>>>>
>>>> Simon
>>>>
>>>> On 13 May 2009, at 09:11, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Simon,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm out in the middle of nowhere so only have just over 1Mbps on
>>>>> the
>>>>> broadband.  It took about 1.5hr just for the download.  I suppose
>>>>> the
>>>>> install took about a half hour including the various reboots.  The
>>>>> machine is a Mac Mini with a 1.83GHz Core Duo CPU and 2GB of RAM.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken
>>>>>
>>>>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On my 867Mhz G4 it took under 30 minutes to download, install and
>>>>>> reboot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Simon
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 13 May 2009, at 08:34, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, installed OK here although for the first time ever, the
>>>>>>> download I
>>>>>>> did in the night was corrupted and I had to set it off again  
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> morning.  Took a long time to install but it's a big update.
>>>>>>> Happily,
>>>>>>> as opposed to a couple of previous updates, it has not made my
>>>>>>> Address
>>>>>>> Book app and database incompatible so I'm happy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ken
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apple have just released 10.5.7
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just to let you know. Installed on my PowerBook and all is
>>>>>>>> running
>>>>>>>> fine. Used the Software Update method and it installed with no
>>>>>>>> hitches.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Simon Royal
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me  
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>>>>>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>>>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>>>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Simon Royal
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>>>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>>>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Simon Royal
>>>> ---
>>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
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>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
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>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

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From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Wed May 13 16:55:20 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 16:55:20 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Case study
Message-ID: <AECB4596-E5C9-4166-95F9-0176D6096DF9@virgin.net>

Hi all

Freedom2surf has written a case study of my business and put it on  
the latest F2s newsletter.

http://www.freedom2surf.net/newsletters/200905/f2s-case-study-may.html

pity they didn't ask me for a picture of myself instead of the  
scruffy guy in the picture attached to the letter.

regards

martin

From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Wed May 13 17:04:17 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:04:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Martin's Refry
In-Reply-To: <mailman.820.1242230242.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.820.1242230242.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <652F004B-357D-406D-B9A5-BA02B0ACA2C0@gmail.com>

> Martin Fry wrote:
>
> http://www.freedom2surf.net/newsletters/200905/f2s-case-study-may.html
>
> pity they didn't ask me for a picture of myself instead of the
> scruffy guy in the picture attached to the letter.


Very nice commendation for all your efforts. Congratulations. I assume  
you're going to throw a big party?! Trebles all round!

I see your photos cropping up all over the place.. good work!

From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Wed May 13 17:12:00 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:12:00 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 10.5.7 Installed
In-Reply-To: <56632ED7-D433-4F27-84FB-C683004FB3EA@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <91D321FA-9C5F-45CC-948D-9F4331A5B33C@simonroyal.co.uk>	<4A0A7810.2040602@stackyard.org>	<B9A152FC-4BB4-46C2-996D-E9ACB9F5EBC0@simonroyal.co.uk>	<4A0A80AA.7050302@stackyard.org>
	<326AA08F-AE13-43E6-BD4E-19A1341EC95E@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4A0ACAF1.2050602@stackyard.org>
	<3D32589D-6B76-4FD9-8F36-EDB01B66C83A@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<E5F03426-BD75-4490-8AA9-E04A5A6C34CB@zen.co.uk>
	<56632ED7-D433-4F27-84FB-C683004FB3EA@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <956D2AB5-5971-4C66-B773-0E87BCFFE40D@virgin.net>


On May 13, 2009, at 16:17, Simon Royal wrote:

> I'm not saying it matters, but I wouldn't have expected such a huge
> difference in size.

I did the Intel update for my 2.8GHz iMac and it was only 286MB.

Just about to check the size for my Intel MacBook Pro....

.....and that is the same, it says it will be 286MB. What are these  
people getting in that 442MB update that I'm not?

With the MacBook Pro there are no other updates with it however there  
were a few additional small updates for programs but even those didn't  
add up to 442MB.

Paul C


From macman at f2s.com  Wed May 13 17:13:47 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:13:47 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Case study
In-Reply-To: <AECB4596-E5C9-4166-95F9-0176D6096DF9@virgin.net>
References: <AECB4596-E5C9-4166-95F9-0176D6096DF9@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <5F8DE141-CE6F-4F02-AE91-BF7FA13CE21B@f2s.com>

That must be worth at least a year's free broadband Martin!

:-)

Robbie


On 13 May 2009, at 16:55, Martin Fry wrote:

Hi all

Freedom2surf has written a case study of my business and put it on
the latest F2s newsletter.

http://www.freedom2surf.net/newsletters/200905/f2s-case-study-may.html

pity they didn't ask me for a picture of myself instead of the
scruffy guy in the picture attached to the letter.

regards

martin
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From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Wed May 13 17:20:53 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:20:53 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Case study
In-Reply-To: <5F8DE141-CE6F-4F02-AE91-BF7FA13CE21B@f2s.com>
References: <AECB4596-E5C9-4166-95F9-0176D6096DF9@virgin.net>
	<5F8DE141-CE6F-4F02-AE91-BF7FA13CE21B@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <554EAC00-A45B-4570-8592-37C8FDBB3BAD@virgin.net>

Hi , Robbie


> That must be worth at least a year's free broadband Martin!
>

I must be getting old as i never thought of that...Doh!

martin



From macman at f2s.com  Wed May 13 18:41:42 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 18:41:42 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Case study
In-Reply-To: <554EAC00-A45B-4570-8592-37C8FDBB3BAD@virgin.net>
References: <AECB4596-E5C9-4166-95F9-0176D6096DF9@virgin.net>
	<5F8DE141-CE6F-4F02-AE91-BF7FA13CE21B@f2s.com>
	<554EAC00-A45B-4570-8592-37C8FDBB3BAD@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <1A2A5D42-69B9-424B-89E0-95F43C245051@f2s.com>

A testimonial like that has to be worth something!  (I got some free  
hosting a couple of years ago for a similar thing with our server  
hosts - http://tinyurl.com/p9pobz

.... and I got 3 months free from f2s after they mucked me about .....

On 13 May 2009, at 17:20, Martin Fry wrote:

Hi , Robbie


> That must be worth at least a year's free broadband Martin!
>

I must be getting old as i never thought of that...Doh!

martin

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From Interjay2 at btinternet.com  Wed May 13 18:42:15 2009
From: Interjay2 at btinternet.com (Peter James)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 18:42:15 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Portable Mac wanted
Message-ID: <16B4F41F6D984A96B6C2583F14700E18@fujitsu>

Hi everyone,
Now that I have sold my eMAC, I am on the lookout for a Laptop. I am not that knowledgeable about Mac models so will have to give you a min spec.  It will be used almost exclusively for creating Video from raw footage and therefore needs a fairly chunky processor at not less that 1 Ghz, and RAM to 1Gb, or expandable  to reach that amount. ( more is better )
Hard drive size is not too important as I use external drives, but it will need to have a DVD burner.
What can anyone offer ?
Thanks
Peter J


From anitamiah at googlemail.com  Thu May 14 09:00:39 2009
From: anitamiah at googlemail.com (Anita Miah)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 09:00:39 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] please could you remove me from this list
Message-ID: <f6a101370905140100r3939fdedhded61b7bb8e7029f@mail.gmail.com>




From footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk  Thu May 14 09:53:02 2009
From: footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk (joe butler)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 08:53:02 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NMUG] Wanted G3 Powermac
Message-ID: <539394.42404.qm@web26702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi
Working late tonight but I can do tomorrow, will give you a call in the morning to sort out a good time, I would like to say that im not always this slack but that would be a lie!!
Joe


Cheap and Free mobile phones
http://www.nimrod.2u.co.uk
?
Iphone and Ipod Insurance 
http://nimrod.2u.co.uk/insurance
?
Get your own FREE mobile phones sales website
http://nimrod.2uaffiliates.com/join/
?
?
?
?

--- On Tue, 12/5/09, Peter Hunter <p.hunter at ntlworld.com> wrote:


From: Peter Hunter <p.hunter at ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [NMUG] Wanted G3 Powermac
To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Date: Tuesday, 12 May, 2009, 10:49 PM


Hi Joe,
I thought you had done a runner or something!!

Yes on both counts. Give me a call and we can arrange it.

Peter

On 12 May 2009, at 19:56, joe butler wrote:

> Hi
> Sorry peter been having phone/interweb problems. If you still have? 
> the G3 i would still like to take it, if not no probs. If you still? 
> want the XP disk let me know
> Joe
>
>
> Cheap and Free mobile phones
> http://www.nimrod.2u.co.uk
>
> Iphone and Ipod Insurance
> http://nimrod.2u.co.uk/insurance
>
> Get your own FREE mobile phones sales website
> http://nimrod.2uaffiliates.com/join/
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Tue, 12/5/09, Peter Hunter <p.hunter at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Peter Hunter <p.hunter at ntlworld.com>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Wanted G3 Powermac
> To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Date: Tuesday, 12 May, 2009, 12:54 AM
>
>
> Hi Peter,
> I'm not sure. It only has a 350 Hz processor, with 448 MB RAM, running
> OS X 10.4.11.
>
> It isn't portable though, it's a desktop machine.
>
> Probably someone else - such as Simon - on here will know if it will
> do what you want.
>
> Peter
>
> On 11 May 2009, at 12:23, Peter James wrote:
>
>> Hi Peter,
>> Having just sold my eMac, I am on the lookout for a portable, but
>> don't know
>> previous Apple models that well . Also, I don't want to take it just
>> because
>> it's available, but can you let meknow if it will it handle Video
>> editing
>> please ?
>> Thanks and regards
>> Peter James
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Peter Hunter" <p.hunter at ntlworld.com>
>> To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 8:48 AM
>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Wanted G3 Powermac
>>
>>
>>> Hi Joe,
>>>
>>> As you didn't call me back yesterday evening, I assume you don't? 
>>> want
>>> the G3 B&W after all?
>>>
>>> So, if anyone else wants it before I offer it on Freecycle, please
>>> shout now.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> On 10 May 2009, at 00:52, joe butler wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all
>>>>
>>>> Having given away about 30 off the buggers in the last few years I
>>>> find myself in need of one for a project I'm working on, I'm? 
>>>> looking
>>>> to pay as little as possible as there old and crap! as long as it
>>>> will run tiger ( very slowly is fine!) I'm happy. Even a beige one
>>>> would do the job.
>>>> At a real push a G3 imac would do the job ( given loads of them? 
>>>> away
>>>> as well!)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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>>
>>
>>
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From munkt0n at gmail.com  Thu May 14 11:18:03 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 11:18:03 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Canon EOS 30D for sale
Message-ID: <ac224bde0905140318i2ef2ab1ajaeeb4c25e78bb062@mail.gmail.com>

sorry for spamming the group, but I know there are a few photographers
out there, so  I thought I'd offer it here first before Ebay.

Canon EOS 30D (body only) + battery grip + 2 spare batteries
Approx 5000 exposures.
?350

If you're interested please contact me direct.

Thanks,
Scott


From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Thu May 14 12:02:17 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 12:02:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Simon sez
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1242298801.58570.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1.1242298801.58570.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <366E5BB6-980F-49A7-BD44-DB26AB88187A@gmail.com>

>
>
>
> On May 13, 2009, at 16:17, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> I'm not saying it matters, but I wouldn't have expected such a huge
>> difference in size.


I've always been assured size doesn't matter.. 


From jwebber19 at googlemail.com  Thu May 14 17:27:54 2009
From: jwebber19 at googlemail.com (james webber)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 17:27:54 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Simon sez
In-Reply-To: <366E5BB6-980F-49A7-BD44-DB26AB88187A@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1242298801.58570.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<366E5BB6-980F-49A7-BD44-DB26AB88187A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4b639c160905140927m2e873798o58297f8de8da9ff@mail.gmail.com>

hi any idaes on how to stop getting endless traffic from this group, ?? any
way of removing me form it ?? not bieng funny but its clogging me up lol ??
james webber

On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:02 PM, stefan youngs <
stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com> wrote:

> >
> >
> >
> > On May 13, 2009, at 16:17, Simon Royal wrote:
> >
> >> I'm not saying it matters, but I wouldn't have expected such a huge
> >> difference in size.
>
>
> I've always been assured size doesn't matter..
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu May 14 17:52:11 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 17:52:11 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Simon sez
In-Reply-To: <4b639c160905140927m2e873798o58297f8de8da9ff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1242298801.58570.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<366E5BB6-980F-49A7-BD44-DB26AB88187A@gmail.com>
	<4b639c160905140927m2e873798o58297f8de8da9ff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C1FC0D4A-EF85-48EF-B394-6C5E686C93E0@simonroyal.co.uk>

James

Yes. Go round to Stefans and cut off his fingers.

Simon

On 14 May 2009, at 17:27, james webber wrote:

> hi any idaes on how to stop getting endless traffic from this  
> group, ?? any
> way of removing me form it ?? not bieng funny but its clogging me up  
> lol ??
> james webber
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:02 PM, stefan youngs <
> stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 13, 2009, at 16:17, Simon Royal wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm not saying it matters, but I wouldn't have expected such a huge
>>>> difference in size.
>>
>>
>> I've always been assured size doesn't matter..
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
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'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From p.hunter at ntlworld.com  Thu May 14 18:01:08 2009
From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 18:01:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Simon sez
In-Reply-To: <C1FC0D4A-EF85-48EF-B394-6C5E686C93E0@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1.1242298801.58570.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<366E5BB6-980F-49A7-BD44-DB26AB88187A@gmail.com>
	<4b639c160905140927m2e873798o58297f8de8da9ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<C1FC0D4A-EF85-48EF-B394-6C5E686C93E0@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3B651A77-F390-4DD9-BF09-2BF037FD40CC@ntlworld.com>

Simon

By my calculations there are more messages from you than from Stefan.  
So what part of your anatomy should be cut off? No, don't answer that.

Peter

On 14 May 2009, at 17:52, Simon Royal wrote:

> James
>
> Yes. Go round to Stefans and cut off his fingers.
>
> Simon
>
> On 14 May 2009, at 17:27, james webber wrote:
>
>> hi any idaes on how to stop getting endless traffic from this
>> group, ?? any
>> way of removing me form it ?? not bieng funny but its clogging me up
>> lol ??
>> james webber
>>
>> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:02 PM, stefan youngs <
>> stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 13, 2009, at 16:17, Simon Royal wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm not saying it matters, but I wouldn't have expected such a  
>>>>> huge
>>>>> difference in size.
>>>
>>>
>>> I've always been assured size doesn't matter..
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu May 14 18:21:02 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 18:21:02 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Simon sez
In-Reply-To: <3B651A77-F390-4DD9-BF09-2BF037FD40CC@ntlworld.com>
References: <mailman.1.1242298801.58570.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<366E5BB6-980F-49A7-BD44-DB26AB88187A@gmail.com>
	<4b639c160905140927m2e873798o58297f8de8da9ff@mail.gmail.com>
	<C1FC0D4A-EF85-48EF-B394-6C5E686C93E0@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<3B651A77-F390-4DD9-BF09-2BF037FD40CC@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <8BFDC54C-DF9D-42B4-9031-A1623CA10966@simonroyal.co.uk>

Peter

:)

OK. Let's stop this before Paul slaps us.

Simon

On 14 May 2009, at 18:01, Peter Hunter wrote:

> Simon
>
> By my calculations there are more messages from you than from Stefan.
> So what part of your anatomy should be cut off? No, don't answer that.
>
> Peter
>
> On 14 May 2009, at 17:52, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> James
>>
>> Yes. Go round to Stefans and cut off his fingers.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> On 14 May 2009, at 17:27, james webber wrote:
>>
>>> hi any idaes on how to stop getting endless traffic from this
>>> group, ?? any
>>> way of removing me form it ?? not bieng funny but its clogging me up
>>> lol ??
>>> james webber
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:02 PM, stefan youngs <
>>> stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 13, 2009, at 16:17, Simon Royal wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not saying it matters, but I wouldn't have expected such a
>>>>>> huge
>>>>>> difference in size.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've always been assured size doesn't matter..
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
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'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From paul at durrant.co.uk  Thu May 14 18:47:40 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 18:47:40 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Simon sez
In-Reply-To: <4b639c160905140927m2e873798o58297f8de8da9ff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1242298801.58570.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<366E5BB6-980F-49A7-BD44-DB26AB88187A@gmail.com>
	<4b639c160905140927m2e873798o58297f8de8da9ff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <510E885C-70B7-41F2-BA8C-1DB2CBA9139C@durrant.co.uk>

Follow the link at the bottom of every message. Sign in. Unsubscribe.

Paul

On 14 May 2009, at 17:27, james webber wrote:

> hi any idaes on how to stop getting endless traffic from this  
> group, ?? any
> way of removing me form it ?? not bieng funny but its clogging me up  
> lol ??
> james webber



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu May 14 21:28:20 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 21:28:20 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Google Analytics Question
Message-ID: <EFDE0367-9980-4006-BD8E-479EABCBC364@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I use Google Analytics to track traffic and stats for my website.

On the initial summary screen - it has said for the past week the %  
change is down 9.85%. However, when I go into the stat screen with the  
little blue scatter diagram, it is rising slowly.

Anyone any ideas?

I checked all the pages had the correct code and that it was being  
tracked and it all seems fine.

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com  Fri May 15 10:01:24 2009
From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 10:01:24 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Macbook screen problem
Message-ID: <D68C72AC-1A2E-41B6-80B4-F63F458C5FD0@gmail.com>

Good morning NMUGers. Straight in, this is a help request. over the  
past 7 days or so, after putting my 'book to sleep and closing the  
lid, the beast will re-awaken! I open the lid, the screen is dark and  
I'm unable to awake the screen. At this point, 'cos I don't know what  
else to do, I press the shutdown button and switch it off!! I wait  
awhile then restart and everything's ok until I put it to sleep again.  
The 'book doesn't awaken every time shortly after closing the lid,  
it'll do it after I've gone out and I come back to whirring fan and  
inactive screen and a very warm base.
A week or so ago, I "foolishly" installed 'InsomniaX which allows you  
to continue playing music with the lid closed, I've now realised the  
error of my ways and deleted the App but, as there was no proper  
uninstall I fear there are remnants left behind!! I don't know for  
sure if this is the cause and effect but it seems too coincidental for  
otherwise.
Thoughts, help and remedies, not necessarily in that order please.
Richard
rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com





From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Fri May 15 12:00:17 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 12:00:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Illustrator probs!
Message-ID: <97E9BA30-5123-466D-A2EF-B573F9BE0031@virgin.net>

Does anyone know why, since upgrading to O/S 10.4.11 ,  I have a  
problem with opening my old invoices in illustrator ?


I get a window saying it can't open the illustration because of  
incomplete or garbled object description

offending operator '.'
context:
6() XW
U
9() XW
X+
/A111 Textframegroup

A blank invoice appears with diagonal lines across the page?

Any ideas?

martin

From munkt0n at gmail.com  Fri May 15 12:16:37 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 12:16:37 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Macbook screen problem
In-Reply-To: <D68C72AC-1A2E-41B6-80B4-F63F458C5FD0@gmail.com>
References: <D68C72AC-1A2E-41B6-80B4-F63F458C5FD0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0905150416p331e4afcga19b0586d6fd820a@mail.gmail.com>

My MBP does this sometimes (the closing the lid and not going to sleep
thing) I discovered that if I switch AirPort off before closing the
lid it will sleep properly.

InsomniaX installs a Kernel extension when you choose 'Enable
Insomnia' - so this could well be active, I would suggest
re-installing InsomniaX and making sure 'Insomnia' is disabled before
uninstalling it again.

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Richard Stewart
<rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com> wrote:
> Good morning NMUGers. Straight in, this is a help request. over the
> past 7 days or so, after putting my 'book to sleep and closing the
> lid, the beast will re-awaken! I open the lid, the screen is dark and
> I'm unable to awake the screen. At this point, 'cos I don't know what
> else to do, I press the shutdown button and switch it off!! I wait
> awhile then restart and everything's ok until I put it to sleep again.
> The 'book doesn't awaken every time shortly after closing the lid,
> it'll do it after I've gone out and I come back to whirring fan and
> inactive screen and a very warm base.
> A week or so ago, I "foolishly" installed 'InsomniaX which allows you
> to continue playing music with the lid closed, I've now realised the
> error of my ways and deleted the App but, as there was no proper
> uninstall I fear there are remnants left behind!! I don't know for
> sure if this is the cause and effect but it seems too coincidental for
> otherwise.
> Thoughts, help and remedies, not necessarily in that order please.
> Richard
> rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com
>
>
>
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:wq


From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Fri May 15 12:52:00 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 12:52:00 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac won't sleep
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1242385201.12444.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1.1242385201.12444.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <D25C400E-74C7-4A94-9B3F-1F3D1D3A0737@gmail.com>


On 15 May 2009, at 12:00, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:

> otherwise.
> Thoughts, help and remedies, not necessarily in that order please.
> Richard
> rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com



As you will have seen from the various Forums, your problem is not  
unique. InsominiaX seems to be a less than well written piece of code  
(judging from the number of requests as to how to do a complete  
uninstall) that fails to stop working if you remove the main file.  
Normally this indicates some Preference or other bits of code have  
been written and not removed. Unless you know what these are, the task  
is onerous. One suggestion is to look at the creation date for the app  
itself then search through the Application library and Preferences  
folders for pieces having the same date.. that might work. There is  
often some indicator in the filename that also gives a clue.

There are apps that are supposed to go around cleaning out your old  
rubbish but I haven't used any and can't vouch for them. AppCleaner,  
Appzapper, or Appdelete have been mentioned

Finally, you may have to go through a complete OSX reinstall to be  
really sure all bits of this troublesome app are gone.

Good luck!

From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Fri May 15 13:12:14 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 13:12:14 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] To Sleep or to do what?
Message-ID: <8BC202BB-F8DB-40AD-B2BA-8DE938421832@gmail.com>

Does anyone understand the difference between putting a Mac into Sleep  
mode and activating the ScreenSaver, in terms of prolonging screen  
life? I had assumed that a ScreenSave did 90%+ of the job of Sleep  
mode in turning off most of the pixels most of the time. Is this  
wrong? I suppose Sleep turns off the disk as well, but it's my belief  
that modern disks turn themselves off after a period of inactivity,  
which is why there is a delay after coming back to life as they spin up.

If ScreenSaver does the job, users who want to play music and not have  
the screen working could do what i do, let the ScreenSaver take over  
whilst iTunes bangs away. Of course the lid is left open, that might  
be a problem for some.


From macman at f2s.com  Fri May 15 14:15:25 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 14:15:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] To Sleep or to do what?
In-Reply-To: <8BC202BB-F8DB-40AD-B2BA-8DE938421832@gmail.com>
References: <8BC202BB-F8DB-40AD-B2BA-8DE938421832@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0F45982C-4B86-4A89-89EB-5BF811D09C11@f2s.com>

My iMac never goes to sleep, but the screen sleeps after 15 minutes,  
and I have 'Put the hard disk to sleep when possible' option ticked,  
so I assume it spins down during beddy-byes.

AFAIK, the Screen Saver is a totally different matter, and can be set  
to activate at an interval of choice: I have a beautiful Aquarium  
which trips in after 15 minutes, and helps me unwind after the rigours  
of the day - bubbling away on my desk until the screen sleeps.  The  
only downside is the running water which can cause frequent trips to  
the toilet for old men like me ......

I always understood that screen savers were originally devised to  
prevent screen burn on old CRT monitors, where any screen left  
unchanged for an extended period would end up with a ghost image of,  
say, the desktop, and I certainly remember seeing this in years gone by.

Screen savers, on the other hand, constantly refresh, cycling through  
the full screen area to ensure no single pixel is active for any  
length of time.

I'm not sure this is relevant anymore, and perhaps they exist nowadays  
simply for the pleasure of the user!

Robbie





On 15 May 2009, at 13:12, stefan youngs wrote:

Does anyone understand the difference between putting a Mac into Sleep
mode and activating the ScreenSaver, in terms of prolonging screen
life? I had assumed that a ScreenSave did 90%+ of the job of Sleep
mode in turning off most of the pixels most of the time. Is this
wrong? I suppose Sleep turns off the disk as well, but it's my belief
that modern disks turn themselves off after a period of inactivity,
which is why there is a delay after coming back to life as they spin up.

If ScreenSaver does the job, users who want to play music and not have
the screen working could do what i do, let the ScreenSaver take over
whilst iTunes bangs away. Of course the lid is left open, that might
be a problem for some.
_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
NMUG at durrant.co.uk
http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Fri May 15 17:14:20 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 17:14:20 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] To Sleep or to do what?
In-Reply-To: <0F45982C-4B86-4A89-89EB-5BF811D09C11@f2s.com>
References: <8BC202BB-F8DB-40AD-B2BA-8DE938421832@gmail.com>
	<0F45982C-4B86-4A89-89EB-5BF811D09C11@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <83E704ED-553E-4887-B19A-D0B3922B1581@zen.co.uk>

Don't do as I did though. Set Mac up to start up while I was away and  
house empty so I could see if I could connect remotely, (Certainly saw  
the Mac over the web on screen share, but failed to connect) Got home  
to discover the Mac had panicked and the shutdown wording for the  
kernal panic had burned it self into the screen as had not turned the  
screen off! Next time will disconnect the screen/turn it off.

On 15 May 2009, at 14:15, Robbie Murray wrote:

> My iMac never goes to sleep, but the screen sleeps after 15 minutes,
> and I have 'Put the hard disk to sleep when possible' option ticked,
> so I assume it spins down during beddy-byes.
>
> AFAIK, the Screen Saver is a totally different matter, and can be set
> to activate at an interval of choice: I have a beautiful Aquarium
> which trips in after 15 minutes, and helps me unwind after the rigours
> of the day - bubbling away on my desk until the screen sleeps.  The
> only downside is the running water which can cause frequent trips to
> the toilet for old men like me ......
>
> I always understood that screen savers were originally devised to
> prevent screen burn on old CRT monitors, where any screen left
> unchanged for an extended period would end up with a ghost image of,
> say, the desktop, and I certainly remember seeing this in years gone  
> by.
>
> Screen savers, on the other hand, constantly refresh, cycling through
> the full screen area to ensure no single pixel is active for any
> length of time.
>
> I'm not sure this is relevant anymore, and perhaps they exist nowadays
> simply for the pleasure of the user!
>
> Robbie
>
>
>
>
>
> On 15 May 2009, at 13:12, stefan youngs wrote:
>
> Does anyone understand the difference between putting a Mac into Sleep
> mode and activating the ScreenSaver, in terms of prolonging screen
> life? I had assumed that a ScreenSave did 90%+ of the job of Sleep
> mode in turning off most of the pixels most of the time. Is this
> wrong? I suppose Sleep turns off the disk as well, but it's my belief
> that modern disks turn themselves off after a period of inactivity,
> which is why there is a delay after coming back to life as they spin  
> up.
>
> If ScreenSaver does the job, users who want to play music and not have
> the screen working could do what i do, let the ScreenSaver take over
> whilst iTunes bangs away. Of course the lid is left open, that might
> be a problem for some.
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
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> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From macman at f2s.com  Fri May 15 17:18:23 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 17:18:23 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] To Sleep or to do what?
In-Reply-To: <83E704ED-553E-4887-B19A-D0B3922B1581@zen.co.uk>
References: <8BC202BB-F8DB-40AD-B2BA-8DE938421832@gmail.com>
	<0F45982C-4B86-4A89-89EB-5BF811D09C11@f2s.com>
	<83E704ED-553E-4887-B19A-D0B3922B1581@zen.co.uk>
Message-ID: <9AD16ACD-90B1-4DE1-BDFF-60C95F7B49DB@f2s.com>

Oh dear - painful .....


On 15 May 2009, at 17:14, Steven Jefferson wrote:

Don't do as I did though. Set Mac up to start up while I was away and
house empty so I could see if I could connect remotely, (Certainly saw
the Mac over the web on screen share, but failed to connect) Got home
to discover the Mac had panicked and the shutdown wording for the
kernal panic had burned it self into the screen as had not turned the
screen off! Next time will disconnect the screen/turn it off.

On 15 May 2009, at 14:15, Robbie Murray wrote:

> My iMac never goes to sleep, but the screen sleeps after 15 minutes,
> and I have 'Put the hard disk to sleep when possible' option ticked,
> so I assume it spins down during beddy-byes.
>
> AFAIK, the Screen Saver is a totally different matter, and can be set
> to activate at an interval of choice: I have a beautiful Aquarium
> which trips in after 15 minutes, and helps me unwind after the rigours
> of the day - bubbling away on my desk until the screen sleeps.  The
> only downside is the running water which can cause frequent trips to
> the toilet for old men like me ......
>
> I always understood that screen savers were originally devised to
> prevent screen burn on old CRT monitors, where any screen left
> unchanged for an extended period would end up with a ghost image of,
> say, the desktop, and I certainly remember seeing this in years gone
> by.
>
> Screen savers, on the other hand, constantly refresh, cycling through
> the full screen area to ensure no single pixel is active for any
> length of time.
>
> I'm not sure this is relevant anymore, and perhaps they exist nowadays
> simply for the pleasure of the user!
>
> Robbie
>
>
>
>
>
> On 15 May 2009, at 13:12, stefan youngs wrote:
>
> Does anyone understand the difference between putting a Mac into Sleep
> mode and activating the ScreenSaver, in terms of prolonging screen
> life? I had assumed that a ScreenSave did 90%+ of the job of Sleep
> mode in turning off most of the pixels most of the time. Is this
> wrong? I suppose Sleep turns off the disk as well, but it's my belief
> that modern disks turn themselves off after a period of inactivity,
> which is why there is a delay after coming back to life as they spin
> up.
>
> If ScreenSaver does the job, users who want to play music and not have
> the screen working could do what i do, let the ScreenSaver take over
> whilst iTunes bangs away. Of course the lid is left open, that might
> be a problem for some.
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

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From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Fri May 15 17:57:18 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 17:57:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] To Sleep or to do what?
In-Reply-To: <9AD16ACD-90B1-4DE1-BDFF-60C95F7B49DB@f2s.com>
References: <8BC202BB-F8DB-40AD-B2BA-8DE938421832@gmail.com>
	<0F45982C-4B86-4A89-89EB-5BF811D09C11@f2s.com>
	<83E704ED-553E-4887-B19A-D0B3922B1581@zen.co.uk>
	<9AD16ACD-90B1-4DE1-BDFF-60C95F7B49DB@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <83A8399F-DE5D-4D93-82DD-5766DC007ADB@zen.co.uk>

Fortunately its fading away gently
On 15 May 2009, at 17:18, Robbie Murray wrote:

> Oh dear - painful .....
>
>
> On 15 May 2009, at 17:14, Steven Jefferson wrote:
>
> Don't do as I did though. Set Mac up to start up while I was away and
> house empty so I could see if I could connect remotely, (Certainly saw
> the Mac over the web on screen share, but failed to connect) Got home
> to discover the Mac had panicked and the shutdown wording for the
> kernal panic had burned it self into the screen as had not turned the
> screen off! Next time will disconnect the screen/turn it off.
>
> On 15 May 2009, at 14:15, Robbie Murray wrote:
>
>> My iMac never goes to sleep, but the screen sleeps after 15 minutes,
>> and I have 'Put the hard disk to sleep when possible' option ticked,
>> so I assume it spins down during beddy-byes.
>>
>> AFAIK, the Screen Saver is a totally different matter, and can be set
>> to activate at an interval of choice: I have a beautiful Aquarium
>> which trips in after 15 minutes, and helps me unwind after the  
>> rigours
>> of the day - bubbling away on my desk until the screen sleeps.  The
>> only downside is the running water which can cause frequent trips to
>> the toilet for old men like me ......
>>
>> I always understood that screen savers were originally devised to
>> prevent screen burn on old CRT monitors, where any screen left
>> unchanged for an extended period would end up with a ghost image of,
>> say, the desktop, and I certainly remember seeing this in years gone
>> by.
>>
>> Screen savers, on the other hand, constantly refresh, cycling through
>> the full screen area to ensure no single pixel is active for any
>> length of time.
>>
>> I'm not sure this is relevant anymore, and perhaps they exist  
>> nowadays
>> simply for the pleasure of the user!
>>
>> Robbie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 15 May 2009, at 13:12, stefan youngs wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone understand the difference between putting a Mac into  
>> Sleep
>> mode and activating the ScreenSaver, in terms of prolonging screen
>> life? I had assumed that a ScreenSave did 90%+ of the job of Sleep
>> mode in turning off most of the pixels most of the time. Is this
>> wrong? I suppose Sleep turns off the disk as well, but it's my belief
>> that modern disks turn themselves off after a period of inactivity,
>> which is why there is a delay after coming back to life as they spin
>> up.
>>
>> If ScreenSaver does the job, users who want to play music and not  
>> have
>> the screen working could do what i do, let the ScreenSaver take over
>> whilst iTunes bangs away. Of course the lid is left open, that might
>> be a problem for some.
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com  Fri May 15 18:49:10 2009
From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 18:49:10 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] InsomniaX delete
Message-ID: <BF3A322B-7499-4B0F-8B5F-744E6C6E287E@gmail.com>

To the NMUGers who offered help, advice and general chat regarding  
InsomniaX. As advised, I re-downloaded, Quick looked it's components,  
noted them, then Secure deleted everything piece by piece. I await to  
see if this is the remedy.
Richard
rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com





From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Fri May 15 19:40:14 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 19:40:14 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] What worked in the end
In-Reply-To: <mailman.862.1242409754.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.862.1242409754.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <9290EDF5-14F2-4737-9DF8-B8274CF6E52F@gmail.com>



> noted them, then Secure deleted everything piece by piece. I await to
> see if this is the remedy.
> Richard
> rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com

Let's hope it works!

Am I the only one who would love to see the resolution for the myriad  
problems that crop up here? If not, could users make it a habit of  
returning to tell us which solution worked for them? Just a short note  
would satisfy my curiosity.

From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com  Fri May 15 19:55:10 2009
From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 19:55:10 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] What worked in the end
In-Reply-To: <9290EDF5-14F2-4737-9DF8-B8274CF6E52F@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.862.1242409754.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<9290EDF5-14F2-4737-9DF8-B8274CF6E52F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EF183DC3-8638-4796-88B5-F35924843352@gmail.com>

Stefan, I don't know if I'm out of the woods yet! I've tried sleeping  
t'book, it's not waking spontaneously but on re-opening the lid, the  
screen is not always re-activating resulting in me having to button  
shut-down. A check on spotlight confirms that there is no trace of  
anything relating to InsomniaX, so that is eliminated (I think).  
Suggestions?
Richard
rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com



On 15 May 2009, at 19:40, stefan youngs wrote:

>  curiosity.



From minkennison at mac.com  Fri May 15 20:17:56 2009
From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 20:17:56 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ipod photos
Message-ID: <EE712E37-3969-4EF6-9E73-0F56730A7703@mac.com>

Hi all

At the moment I am in France with a group of 15 yr olds from school.  
MY colleague has taken some photos on an ipod classic and we would  
like to put them onto  my macbook pro.  We are unable to get them to  
do this.  Please can you advise us how to do it.


Min


From macman at f2s.com  Fri May 15 20:46:36 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 20:46:36 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ipod photos
In-Reply-To: <EE712E37-3969-4EF6-9E73-0F56730A7703@mac.com>
References: <EE712E37-3969-4EF6-9E73-0F56730A7703@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E1A15CAE-E4A0-4BE2-BD50-9E3DF50F0F6D@f2s.com>

Hi Min

If your ipod is set to 'enable disk use' , it will show on your  
desktop as a drive, and you should be able to open it and drag the  
files across.

I'm not sure, however, if this requires re-synching the iPod, (if it  
does, it may wipe the entire disk -it certainly clears your Audio and  
Video files .... worth checking first), but you'll certainly get a  
warning!

I'm intrigued that your classic iPod takes photos - must be a very  
special edition!

Robbie



On 15 May 2009, at 20:17, Min Kennison wrote:

Hi all

At the moment I am in France with a group of 15 yr olds from school.
MY colleague has taken some photos on an ipod classic and we would
like to put them onto  my macbook pro.  We are unable to get them to
do this.  Please can you advise us how to do it.


Min
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From minkennison at mac.com  Fri May 15 20:50:42 2009
From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 20:50:42 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ipod photos
In-Reply-To: <E1A15CAE-E4A0-4BE2-BD50-9E3DF50F0F6D@f2s.com>
References: <EE712E37-3969-4EF6-9E73-0F56730A7703@mac.com>
	<E1A15CAE-E4A0-4BE2-BD50-9E3DF50F0F6D@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <34B14274-7BED-4835-BA70-1D0F964E13E9@mac.com>

Hi Robbie

1. The ipod hasn't taken the photos they had been loaded on to it and  
I was going to copy them to my Macbook Pro
2. I enabled disk mode and dragged but nothing came acrosssonly 3  
thumbs in an unreadble format

Thanks for your reply

Min
On 15 May 2009, at 20:4615 May 2009, Robbie Murray wrote:

> Hi Min
>
> If your ipod is set to 'enable disk use' , it will show on your
> desktop as a drive, and you should be able to open it and drag the
> files across.
>
> I'm not sure, however, if this requires re-synching the iPod, (if it
> does, it may wipe the entire disk -it certainly clears your Audio and
> Video files .... worth checking first), but you'll certainly get a
> warning!
>
> I'm intrigued that your classic iPod takes photos - must be a very
> special edition!
>
> Robbie
>
>
>
> On 15 May 2009, at 20:17, Min Kennison wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> At the moment I am in France with a group of 15 yr olds from school.
> MY colleague has taken some photos on an ipod classic and we would
> like to put them onto  my macbook pro.  We are unable to get them to
> do this.  Please can you advise us how to do it.
>
>
> Min
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri May 15 23:33:00 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 23:33:00 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhone On USB 1.1
Message-ID: <A6921776-D8BC-4652-B026-5554C442B90B@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

Will an iPhone work on a machine with USB 1.1

I know it would be slow.

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com  Sat May 16 00:08:28 2009
From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (Simon Bainbridge)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 00:08:28 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhone On USB 1.1
In-Reply-To: <A6921776-D8BC-4652-B026-5554C442B90B@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <A6921776-D8BC-4652-B026-5554C442B90B@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <06875E7B-50D8-4D1C-8940-7D21EAAC5F57@googlemail.com>

Yes it should be backwards compatible.

Simon Bainbridge

On 15 May 2009, at 23:33, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> Will an iPhone work on a machine with USB 1.1
>
> I know it would be slow.
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat May 16 10:23:49 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 10:23:49 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Unlocking iPhone
Message-ID: <B686566E-5784-410F-9559-AD7E1EBCB750@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I know a number of you are iPhone users and some have unlocked theirs.  
Is it easy to do? I am looking at possibly getting a 2G iPhone and  
unlocking it, but this is all new to me.

I searched Google and found ZiPhone - which looks like a tool I would  
need (or could use).

Firstly, does it have to be done over USB 2.0 or could it be done over  
USB 1.1?

Are iPhones like iPods in the sense that they are formatted for  
Windows or Mac. I know my Mac formatted iPod will not work on Windows,  
but a Windows formatted iPod will work on a Mac. I ask this because my  
PowerBook only has USB 1.1, but my wife's Vista laptop has USB 2.0 so  
in ways it would be easier and quicker to use her machine to unlock  
it, but then I would want to Sync it with my PowerBook.

Any help on this matter would be appreciated. Even locked 2G ones are  
not cheap to get hold of and I don't want to be stuck with a iPhone I  
can't use. I have a contract with Virgin Mobile and would like to use  
my SIM in an iPhone.

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From karl.hortt at btinternet.com  Sat May 16 12:37:28 2009
From: karl.hortt at btinternet.com (Karl Hortt)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 12:37:28 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Unlocking iPhone
In-Reply-To: <B686566E-5784-410F-9559-AD7E1EBCB750@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <B686566E-5784-410F-9559-AD7E1EBCB750@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <9EAE5122-42D5-49C8-8A2C-8DC16267A851@btinternet.com>


Hi Simon,


I believe you can have large bills from using an unlocked iphone

using the best bits of the iphone relies on data and email downloads

obviously that is all included with the O2 contract

but with other normal mobile contracts this can be expensive

regards

Karl







On 16 May 2009, at 10:23, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> I know a number of you are iPhone users and some have unlocked theirs.
> Is it easy to do? I am looking at possibly getting a 2G iPhone and
> unlocking it, but this is all new to me.
>
> I searched Google and found ZiPhone - which looks like a tool I would
> need (or could use).
>
> Firstly, does it have to be done over USB 2.0 or could it be done over
> USB 1.1?
>
> Are iPhones like iPods in the sense that they are formatted for
> Windows or Mac. I know my Mac formatted iPod will not work on Windows,
> but a Windows formatted iPod will work on a Mac. I ask this because my
> PowerBook only has USB 1.1, but my wife's Vista laptop has USB 2.0 so
> in ways it would be easier and quicker to use her machine to unlock
> it, but then I would want to Sync it with my PowerBook.
>
> Any help on this matter would be appreciated. Even locked 2G ones are
> not cheap to get hold of and I don't want to be stuck with a iPhone I
> can't use. I have a contract with Virgin Mobile and would like to use
> my SIM in an iPhone.
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Sat May 16 13:34:29 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 13:34:29 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] removing all vestiges of Insomniax
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1242471602.66970.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1.1242471602.66970.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <2589E604-ABC5-48C2-9FEA-ECF043F0C1BC@gmail.com>


On 16 May 2009, at 12:00, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:

> Suggestions?
> Richard
> rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com


  I did find this

Uninstalling/Repairing InsomniaX
12. May 2009  0 comments
The most common ticket in the help desk regarding issues with  
InsomniaX or requesting instructions on how to remove InsomniaX, below  
is a simple step list of what is required to completely wipe out  
InsomniaX. If any problems exist after removing InsomniaX it should  
not be related to Insomnia as it works as a passive changing, in other  
words once its unloaded all changes are moved (Especially after a  
reboot any trace should be gone)

Reboot the machine
Ensure InsomniaX is not running
Enter in terminal : defaults delete com.semaja2.InsomniaX
Delete ~/Application Support/InsomniaX
Delete /Applications/InsomniaX.app
If reinstalling download latest version from MacUpdate

From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat May 16 13:35:38 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 13:35:38 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] USB Music Keyboard For PowerBook
Message-ID: <ABBEC795-C1DC-45E7-BD2B-486ABAEED82F@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

It has been a long time since I did music composition on a computer.  
The last time I think it was with a Tracker MOD on an old Acorn machine.

It is possible to plug a USB music keyboard - do they still call them  
MIDI keyboards - into my PowerBook and use it with Garageband?

Does anyone have any recommendations for which one is good?

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat May 16 13:36:30 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 13:36:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Unlocking iPhone
In-Reply-To: <9EAE5122-42D5-49C8-8A2C-8DC16267A851@btinternet.com>
References: <B686566E-5784-410F-9559-AD7E1EBCB750@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<9EAE5122-42D5-49C8-8A2C-8DC16267A851@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <E7689079-C6D1-4584-8045-68CDB16669AD@simonroyal.co.uk>

Karl

I read that too, and it is hard to ensure it only uses wifi.

Simon

On 16 May 2009, at 12:37, Karl Hortt wrote:

>
> Hi Simon,
>
>
> I believe you can have large bills from using an unlocked iphone
>
> using the best bits of the iphone relies on data and email downloads
>
> obviously that is all included with the O2 contract
>
> but with other normal mobile contracts this can be expensive
>
> regards
>
> Karl
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 16 May 2009, at 10:23, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I know a number of you are iPhone users and some have unlocked  
>> theirs.
>> Is it easy to do? I am looking at possibly getting a 2G iPhone and
>> unlocking it, but this is all new to me.
>>
>> I searched Google and found ZiPhone - which looks like a tool I would
>> need (or could use).
>>
>> Firstly, does it have to be done over USB 2.0 or could it be done  
>> over
>> USB 1.1?
>>
>> Are iPhones like iPods in the sense that they are formatted for
>> Windows or Mac. I know my Mac formatted iPod will not work on  
>> Windows,
>> but a Windows formatted iPod will work on a Mac. I ask this because  
>> my
>> PowerBook only has USB 1.1, but my wife's Vista laptop has USB 2.0 so
>> in ways it would be easier and quicker to use her machine to unlock
>> it, but then I would want to Sync it with my PowerBook.
>>
>> Any help on this matter would be appreciated. Even locked 2G ones are
>> not cheap to get hold of and I don't want to be stuck with a iPhone I
>> can't use. I have a contract with Virgin Mobile and would like to use
>> my SIM in an iPhone.
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From nathan.crosby at virgin.net  Sat May 16 13:50:30 2009
From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 13:50:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] USB Music Keyboard For PowerBook
In-Reply-To: <ABBEC795-C1DC-45E7-BD2B-486ABAEED82F@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <ABBEC795-C1DC-45E7-BD2B-486ABAEED82F@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C23C81EB-5D9D-4859-B3C2-1FCEB17C9C85@virgin.net>

Simon - I have an M-Audio keystation usb keyboard which has worked  
really well with Garage band

Nathan


On 16 May 2009, at 13:35, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> It has been a long time since I did music composition on a computer.
> The last time I think it was with a Tracker MOD on an old Acorn  
> machine.
>
> It is possible to plug a USB music keyboard - do they still call them
> MIDI keyboards - into my PowerBook and use it with Garageband?
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations for which one is good?
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From rachaelandrews at ntlworld.com  Sat May 16 14:16:58 2009
From: rachaelandrews at ntlworld.com (Rachael Andrews)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 14:16:58 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] USB Music Keyboard For PowerBook
In-Reply-To: <C23C81EB-5D9D-4859-B3C2-1FCEB17C9C85@virgin.net>
References: <ABBEC795-C1DC-45E7-BD2B-486ABAEED82F@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<C23C81EB-5D9D-4859-B3C2-1FCEB17C9C85@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <9577009A-FED2-4C44-B258-D816894042F9@ntlworld.com>

I would add my vote for m-audio stuff. I've got an ekeys 37 usb  
keyboard http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/product/2798-m-audio-ekeys-37.html
for moments of inspiration. If I want to do anything major it's either  
my Previa (Casio digital piano) or one of my old Roland synths via one  
of these http://www.edirol.net/products/en/UM-1/.

I wonder if we should set up a Garageband project swapping system  
amongst the nmug'ers who use Garageband ? I've done it before  
elsewhere - it's like pictionary - except with phrases in GB which get  
passed around from one person to the next. Could be interesting. :)

Rachael


From munkt0n at gmail.com  Sat May 16 14:18:15 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 14:18:15 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] USB Music Keyboard For PowerBook
In-Reply-To: <ABBEC795-C1DC-45E7-BD2B-486ABAEED82F@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <ABBEC795-C1DC-45E7-BD2B-486ABAEED82F@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0905160618s3eb45b48h19e8beb252115a4@mail.gmail.com>

I picked up a USB/MIDI keyboard from the music shop in Anglia Square a
while back, it's made by 'Edirol', cost about ?100, but they've got
quite a good selection available down there.

On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 1:35 PM, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi
>
> It has been a long time since I did music composition on a computer.
> The last time I think it was with a Tracker MOD on an old Acorn machine.
>
> It is possible to plug a USB music keyboard - do they still call them
> MIDI keyboards - into my PowerBook and use it with Garageband?
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations for which one is good?
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



-- 
:wq


From p.hunter at ntlworld.com  Sat May 16 14:54:55 2009
From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 14:54:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows XP Wanted
Message-ID: <DC14FC3D-F3A9-40D8-A1BE-2AA1C4CA44EA@ntlworld.com>

Hi,

Has anyone got a genuine Windows XP they are willing to sell me  
please? Any version will do, and OEM is ok. This is for a build  
project that I am doing.

Please contact me OFF LIST as this is a NON Mac subject and I don't  
want to clog up the NMUG list.

You can call me on   07983856097  if you prefer. I can collect.

Many thanks

Peter

PS. I'm also looking for a Blue Ray DVD player for the home if anyone  
has one for sale.






From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com  Sat May 16 15:24:25 2009
From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 15:24:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ipod photos
In-Reply-To: <34B14274-7BED-4835-BA70-1D0F964E13E9@mac.com>
References: <EE712E37-3969-4EF6-9E73-0F56730A7703@mac.com>
	<E1A15CAE-E4A0-4BE2-BD50-9E3DF50F0F6D@f2s.com>
	<34B14274-7BED-4835-BA70-1D0F964E13E9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BA2BFB3F-F8EA-4A7B-A2C0-3EC46A0F1599@gmail.com>

Hi, has the Ipod photo issue been resolved? My two-penny worth is:- Is  
the Ipod commonly used in Windows, if so then it'll be in an "alien"  
format, after all, the photos had to be up-loaded to the Ipod in the  
1st place. Do you know what machine was used? As far as I know, A  
camera can't be connected directly to an Ipod and transfer made!! So,  
if you have access to the card with original photos, then they can be  
loaded onto a Mac or wherever!
Richard
rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com



On 15 May 2009, at 20:50, Min Kennison wrote:

>  unreadble format



From macman at f2s.com  Sat May 16 18:34:04 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 18:34:04 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Was someone looking for a wireless dongle last week?
Message-ID: <4A07703F-FEEE-4625-801E-780D52746A87@f2s.com>

This is on Cheapcycle today ....


"For sale: NETGEAR WIRELESS USB 2.0 ADAPTOR WG111 (54mbps) -?10 -Long  
stratton


BRAND NEW NEVER BEEN USED NETGEAR WIRELESS USB 2.0 ADAPTOR.
Still in original box with smart wizard installation software.

Bought as new for ?25 but never used as the computer did not have the  
correct hard drive."

Seller:

jonandlizzy2 at yahoo.co.uk

From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat May 16 19:36:53 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 19:36:53 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Was someone looking for a wireless dongle last week?
In-Reply-To: <4A07703F-FEEE-4625-801E-780D52746A87@f2s.com>
References: <4A07703F-FEEE-4625-801E-780D52746A87@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <532EE625-4601-4F40-8F43-4A94AA7794F7@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

Did anyone else find this odd?

Simon

On 16 May 2009, at 18:34, Robbie Murray wrote:

> Bought as new for ?25 but never used as the computer did not have the
> correct hard drive."

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Sat May 16 20:01:19 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 20:01:19 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] MIDI and USB
In-Reply-To: <mailman.889.1242499016.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.889.1242499016.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <FE4D68FA-4E27-41CC-B071-E0224FA20961@gmail.com>


On 16 May 2009, at 19:36, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:

>
> It is possible to plug a USB music keyboard - do they still call them
> MIDI keyboards - into my PowerBook and use it with Garageband?

  MIDI is an industry wide definition of how to describe specific  
sounds using digital notation.. so a MIDI trombone 'created' on a  
keyboard and transmitted to a computer will produce that same trombone  
sound on the computer or another device. You definitely do NOT want a  
non-MIDI keyboard.. There are LOTS of MIDI 'sounds' available to make  
a MIDI keyboard reproduce almost any sound you can think of.

USB is a connection technology between peripherals and computers  
enabling a bit for bit transfer to take place. You could therefore  
send MIDI data over USB but you would need converter software at the  
PC end. Since most computers are not equipped with native MIDI, you  
have no choice but to go this route.




From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Sat May 16 20:02:58 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 20:02:58 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Was someone looking for a wireless dongle last week?
In-Reply-To: <532EE625-4601-4F40-8F43-4A94AA7794F7@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <4A07703F-FEEE-4625-801E-780D52746A87@f2s.com>
	<532EE625-4601-4F40-8F43-4A94AA7794F7@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <0D69C7BE-5777-4FFF-AEBE-FF28DB826C8F@virgin.net>


On May 16, 2009, at 19:36, Simon Royal wrote:

> Did anyone else find this odd?

Yes.

Paul C



From minkennison at mac.com  Sat May 16 20:30:22 2009
From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 20:30:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ipod photos
In-Reply-To: <BA2BFB3F-F8EA-4A7B-A2C0-3EC46A0F1599@gmail.com>
References: <EE712E37-3969-4EF6-9E73-0F56730A7703@mac.com>
	<E1A15CAE-E4A0-4BE2-BD50-9E3DF50F0F6D@f2s.com>
	<34B14274-7BED-4835-BA70-1D0F964E13E9@mac.com>
	<BA2BFB3F-F8EA-4A7B-A2C0-3EC46A0F1599@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F561F3A2-1D0C-4EEE-A36D-796A598CF14F@mac.com>

Thanks Richard.  We are going to wait until we are all in England and  
transfer them normally due to the issues you have just poited out.

Min
On 16 May 2009, at 15:2416 May 2009, Richard Stewart wrote:

> Hi, has the Ipod photo issue been resolved? My two-penny worth is:- Is
> the Ipod commonly used in Windows, if so then it'll be in an "alien"
> format, after all, the photos had to be up-loaded to the Ipod in the
> 1st place. Do you know what machine was used? As far as I know, A
> camera can't be connected directly to an Ipod and transfer made!! So,
> if you have access to the card with original photos, then they can be
> loaded onto a Mac or wherever!
> Richard
> rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com
>
>
>
> On 15 May 2009, at 20:50, Min Kennison wrote:
>
>> unreadble format
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Sat May 16 21:12:40 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 21:12:40 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Was someone looking for a wireless dongle last week?
In-Reply-To: <532EE625-4601-4F40-8F43-4A94AA7794F7@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <4A07703F-FEEE-4625-801E-780D52746A87@f2s.com>
	<532EE625-4601-4F40-8F43-4A94AA7794F7@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A0F1E38.1080802@stackyard.org>

No.  Or rather, no odder than other things I hear from customers.  One 
person told me that nothing came up on the screen and she thought it 
must be the modem.  I asked her why she thought the modem was at fault 
and after further interrogation, it transpired that what she referred to 
as the modem was actually the PC itself.

Ken

Simon Royal wrote:
> Hi
>
> Did anyone else find this odd?
>
> Simon
>
> On 16 May 2009, at 18:34, Robbie Murray wrote:
>
>   
>> Bought as new for ?25 but never used as the computer did not have the
>> correct hard drive."
>>     
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From kevin at sanderling.co.uk  Sun May 17 12:41:45 2009
From: kevin at sanderling.co.uk (Kevin Allenby)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 12:41:45 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac mags
Message-ID: <9c83344f0905170441x10fa6728m3877825776ed85d2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi - I'm in the process of packing up to move, and taking the opportunity
for some serious de-cluttering! I've a small pile (about 10 mags) of recent
(last 6 months)  Mac magazines (Mac User, Mac Format etc) which before
throwing out, wondered if anyone would like them - I can bring them to the
next evening meeting at the Quebec on the 27th, or you can collect from
Bungay. Anyone want them, let me know.
Kevin


From fowler.j at me.com  Sun May 17 13:03:16 2009
From: fowler.j at me.com (Jon Fowler)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 13:03:16 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac mags
In-Reply-To: <9c83344f0905170441x10fa6728m3877825776ed85d2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9c83344f0905170441x10fa6728m3877825776ed85d2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D78C7754-434B-40DF-814F-872C774431C9@me.com>

Hi kevin

I would be very interested in those mags.

Jon

Sent from my iPhone

On 17 May 2009, at 12:41, Kevin Allenby <kevin at sanderling.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi - I'm in the process of packing up to move, and taking the  
> opportunity
> for some serious de-cluttering! I've a small pile (about 10 mags) of  
> recent
> (last 6 months)  Mac magazines (Mac User, Mac Format etc) which before
> throwing out, wondered if anyone would like them - I can bring them  
> to the
> next evening meeting at the Quebec on the 27th, or you can collect  
> from
> Bungay. Anyone want them, let me know.
> Kevin
> _______________________________________________
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> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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From jeremyknight at mac.com  Sun May 17 18:07:30 2009
From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 18:07:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Not as single spies
In-Reply-To: <4A0F1E38.1080802@stackyard.org>
References: <4A07703F-FEEE-4625-801E-780D52746A87@f2s.com>
	<532EE625-4601-4F40-8F43-4A94AA7794F7@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4A0F1E38.1080802@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <8766201F-D1E5-4204-A07D-932E80390457@mac.com>

Morning All,
After a lot of work I have now managed to get my mac mini up and going  
on 10.4,
Thank you to everyone for their help.
One of the recommendations was to reset the power management system  
which I did: after that
the fan,having never been obvious,is now on  at full power all the time.
I have downloaded the latest versions of tiger and no improvement.
  from the chat rooms it appears that this is a problem with mini's  
does anyone have any ideas as to how to fix it please?
jeremy








'When trouble comes they come not in single spies but in battalion form'





From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sun May 17 18:44:38 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 18:44:38 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Not as single spies
In-Reply-To: <8766201F-D1E5-4204-A07D-932E80390457@mac.com>
References: <4A07703F-FEEE-4625-801E-780D52746A87@f2s.com>
	<532EE625-4601-4F40-8F43-4A94AA7794F7@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4A0F1E38.1080802@stackyard.org>
	<8766201F-D1E5-4204-A07D-932E80390457@mac.com>
Message-ID: <FA6B4DC0-4CA1-4F00-BA5E-6E5B5C7B4901@durrant.co.uk>

My Guess would be that you used a power management reset for the wrong  
kind of Mac Mini. Look at the Apple Support pages for your particular  
Mac Mini, and there'll be a different reset routine.

Paul

On 17 May 2009, at 18:07, jeremy knight wrote:

> Morning All,
> After a lot of work I have now managed to get my mac mini up and going
> on 10.4,
> Thank you to everyone for their help.
> One of the recommendations was to reset the power management system
> which I did: after that
> the fan,having never been obvious,is now on  at full power all the  
> time.
> I have downloaded the latest versions of tiger and no improvement.
>  from the chat rooms it appears that this is a problem with mini's
> does anyone have any ideas as to how to fix it please?
> jeremy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 'When trouble comes they come not in single spies but in battalion  
> form'
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Sun May 17 20:27:07 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 20:27:07 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Not as single spies
In-Reply-To: <8766201F-D1E5-4204-A07D-932E80390457@mac.com>
References: <4A07703F-FEEE-4625-801E-780D52746A87@f2s.com>	<532EE625-4601-4F40-8F43-4A94AA7794F7@simonroyal.co.uk>	<4A0F1E38.1080802@stackyard.org>
	<8766201F-D1E5-4204-A07D-932E80390457@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4A10650B.2000606@stackyard.org>

Jeremy,

What version of Mini is it and what was the nature of the "work" that 
you did a lot of to get to this stage?

Ken

jeremy knight wrote:
> Morning All,
> After a lot of work I have now managed to get my mac mini up and going  
> on 10.4,
> Thank you to everyone for their help.
> One of the recommendations was to reset the power management system  
> which I did: after that
> the fan,having never been obvious,is now on  at full power all the time.
> I have downloaded the latest versions of tiger and no improvement.
>   from the chat rooms it appears that this is a problem with mini's  
> does anyone have any ideas as to how to fix it please?
> jeremy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 'When trouble comes they come not in single spies but in battalion form'
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From jeremyknight at mac.com  Mon May 18 08:28:11 2009
From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 08:28:11 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Not as single spies
In-Reply-To: <4A10650B.2000606@stackyard.org>
References: <4A07703F-FEEE-4625-801E-780D52746A87@f2s.com>
	<532EE625-4601-4F40-8F43-4A94AA7794F7@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4A0F1E38.1080802@stackyard.org>
	<8766201F-D1E5-4204-A07D-932E80390457@mac.com>
	<4A10650B.2000606@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <472015B8-418D-40BC-B42D-C48CE44A09D1@mac.com>

Hi Ken,
Thanks for your interest.
I have a mac mini intel duo core  1.66ghz
I had a Kernal failure.
I tried to re install OSX and it was during this that
the suggestion was made to reset  the power management system
Afterwards  the fan went to full on.
But the system would not boot.
I then did a fresh reinstall (not an erase and install)
leaving the old system in a separate file .
Everything  now  works fine but the fan is still at full speed.
  jeremy

On 17 May 2009, at 20:27, Ken Hamer wrote:

> Jeremy,
>
> What version of Mini is it and what was the nature of the "work" that
> you did a lot of to get to this stage?
>
> Ken
>
> jeremy knight wrote:
>> Morning All,
>> After a lot of work I have now managed to get my mac mini up and  
>> going
>> on 10.4,
>> Thank you to everyone for their help.
>> One of the recommendations was to reset the power management system
>> which I did: after that
>> the fan,having never been obvious,is now on  at full power all the  
>> time.
>> I have downloaded the latest versions of tiger and no improvement.
>>  from the chat rooms it appears that this is a problem with mini's
>> does anyone have any ideas as to how to fix it please?
>> jeremy
>>
>> 'When trouble comes they come not in single spies but in battalion  
>> form'
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon May 18 09:21:35 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 09:21:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Not as single spies
In-Reply-To: <472015B8-418D-40BC-B42D-C48CE44A09D1@mac.com>
References: <4A07703F-FEEE-4625-801E-780D52746A87@f2s.com>
	<532EE625-4601-4F40-8F43-4A94AA7794F7@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4A0F1E38.1080802@stackyard.org>
	<8766201F-D1E5-4204-A07D-932E80390457@mac.com>
	<4A10650B.2000606@stackyard.org>
	<472015B8-418D-40BC-B42D-C48CE44A09D1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <268F87E4-AFBD-4508-A04A-F4A17202F215@durrant.co.uk>

Follow the instructions here:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1543

? From the Apple menu, choose Shut Down (or if the computer is not  
responding, hold the power button until it turns off).
? Unplug all cables from the computer, including the power cord and  
any display cables.
? Wait at least 15 seconds.
? Plug the power cord back in, making sure the power button is not  
being pressed at the time. Then reconnect your keyboard and mouse to  
the computer.
? Press the power button on the back to start up your computer.


I suspect that you followed the instructions for PPC based Mac Minis,  
which include holding down the power button while plugging in. ( http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2183 
  )


On 18 May 2009, at 08:28, jeremy knight wrote:

> the suggestion was made to reset  the power management system
> Afterwards  the fan went to full on.
> But the system would not boot.


From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Mon May 18 09:29:11 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 09:29:11 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Not as single spies
In-Reply-To: <472015B8-418D-40BC-B42D-C48CE44A09D1@mac.com>
References: <4A07703F-FEEE-4625-801E-780D52746A87@f2s.com>	<532EE625-4601-4F40-8F43-4A94AA7794F7@simonroyal.co.uk>	<4A0F1E38.1080802@stackyard.org>	<8766201F-D1E5-4204-A07D-932E80390457@mac.com>	<4A10650B.2000606@stackyard.org>
	<472015B8-418D-40BC-B42D-C48CE44A09D1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4A111C57.8010200@stackyard.org>

Hi Jeremy,

I presume you used the procedure at http://tinyurl.com/5b79vk to reset 
the system manager.  If not try it.  If this is the procedure you 
already followed, try it once more.

Also, have you tried running Disk Utility on the OS X CD while booted 
from the CD and running a repair of the hard disk?  I know this doesn't 
sound very relevant to the fan speed but people have reported benefits?

You might also try downloading a RAM-testing program (there appear to be 
several) and running that.  I'm suspicious of the original kernel 
failure.  These are either caused by some really horrible software 
change or some sort of hardware problem - hence why I would look at the 
disk and RAM.

Good luck!

Ken

jeremy knight wrote:
> Hi Ken,
> Thanks for your interest.
> I have a mac mini intel duo core  1.66ghz
> I had a Kernal failure.
> I tried to re install OSX and it was during this that
> the suggestion was made to reset  the power management system
> Afterwards  the fan went to full on.
> But the system would not boot.
> I then did a fresh reinstall (not an erase and install)
> leaving the old system in a separate file .
> Everything  now  works fine but the fan is still at full speed.
>   jeremy
>
> On 17 May 2009, at 20:27, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
>   
>> Jeremy,
>>
>> What version of Mini is it and what was the nature of the "work" that
>> you did a lot of to get to this stage?
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> jeremy knight wrote:
>>     
>>> Morning All,
>>> After a lot of work I have now managed to get my mac mini up and  
>>> going
>>> on 10.4,
>>> Thank you to everyone for their help.
>>> One of the recommendations was to reset the power management system
>>> which I did: after that
>>> the fan,having never been obvious,is now on  at full power all the  
>>> time.
>>> I have downloaded the latest versions of tiger and no improvement.
>>>  from the chat rooms it appears that this is a problem with mini's
>>> does anyone have any ideas as to how to fix it please?
>>> jeremy
>>>
>>> 'When trouble comes they come not in single spies but in battalion  
>>> form'
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>       
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon May 18 10:03:05 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 10:03:05 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Not as single spies
In-Reply-To: <472015B8-418D-40BC-B42D-C48CE44A09D1@mac.com>
References: <4A07703F-FEEE-4625-801E-780D52746A87@f2s.com>
	<532EE625-4601-4F40-8F43-4A94AA7794F7@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4A0F1E38.1080802@stackyard.org>
	<8766201F-D1E5-4204-A07D-932E80390457@mac.com>
	<4A10650B.2000606@stackyard.org>
	<472015B8-418D-40BC-B42D-C48CE44A09D1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C4EB2460-8C86-41E6-B493-6F5C3427D126@durrant.co.uk>

It might also be worth checking your SMC Firmware version.

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1237

On 18 May 2009, at 08:28, jeremy knight wrote:

> Hi Ken,
> Thanks for your interest.
> I have a mac mini intel duo core  1.66ghz


From ricnev at mac.com  Mon May 18 10:10:16 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 10:10:16 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Not as single spies
In-Reply-To: <472015B8-418D-40BC-B42D-C48CE44A09D1@mac.com>
References: <4A07703F-FEEE-4625-801E-780D52746A87@f2s.com>
	<532EE625-4601-4F40-8F43-4A94AA7794F7@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4A0F1E38.1080802@stackyard.org>
	<8766201F-D1E5-4204-A07D-932E80390457@mac.com>
	<4A10650B.2000606@stackyard.org>
	<472015B8-418D-40BC-B42D-C48CE44A09D1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C52E591A-9D84-4162-8B75-D2C28572A3C6@mac.com>

Have you got any idea what caused the original kernel failure? Any  
software or hardware changes being performed around that time?

If you have installed any hardware (larger memory or new hard drive)  
it is possible that fan connector headers might have been dislodged  
and might need re-seating, even if this was done some time ago by  
"professionals".

Richard.


On 18 May 2009, at 08:28, jeremy knight wrote:

> Hi Ken,
> Thanks for your interest.
> I have a mac mini intel duo core  1.66ghz
> I had a Kernal failure.
> I tried to re install OSX and it was during this that
> the suggestion was made to reset  the power management system
> Afterwards  the fan went to full on.
> But the system would not boot.
> I then did a fresh reinstall (not an erase and install)
> leaving the old system in a separate file .
> Everything  now  works fine but the fan is still at full speed.
>  jeremy
>

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com





From ricnev at mac.com  Mon May 18 10:15:58 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 10:15:58 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Not as single spies
In-Reply-To: <472015B8-418D-40BC-B42D-C48CE44A09D1@mac.com>
References: <4A07703F-FEEE-4625-801E-780D52746A87@f2s.com>
	<532EE625-4601-4F40-8F43-4A94AA7794F7@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4A0F1E38.1080802@stackyard.org>
	<8766201F-D1E5-4204-A07D-932E80390457@mac.com>
	<4A10650B.2000606@stackyard.org>
	<472015B8-418D-40BC-B42D-C48CE44A09D1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1839480D-D9CA-4B5B-A631-3F7871E98735@mac.com>

Just one other thought - the superdrive will spin if a disc is present  
at startup, and does sound very like a fan - check there is no disc  
present in your drive when you switch on.

Richard.

On 18 May 2009, at 08:28, jeremy knight wrote:

> Everything  now  works fine but the fan is still at full speed.

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com





From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Mon May 18 17:15:01 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 17:15:01 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: Illustrator problems!
References: <97E9BA30-5123-466D-A2EF-B573F9BE0031@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <1ED31616-4DFC-4BDE-BDBA-F852FCF89BC3@virgin.net>

Hi again

I did not receive any replies about this problem!  I am using  
Illustrator CS ( V11.0.0 )


>
> Does anyone know why, since upgrading to O/S 10.4.11 ,  I have a  
> problem with opening all my old invoices in illustrator ?
>
>
> I get a window saying it can't open the illustration because of  
> incomplete or garbled object description
>
> "offending operator '.'
> context:
> 6() XW
> U
> 9() XW
> X+
> /A111 Textframegroup"

>
> The invoice opens on it's headed paper but it is blank of invoice  
> address & details..
>
> Any ideas?
>
> martin

www.martinfryphotography.com



From jeremyknight at mac.com  Mon May 18 16:46:53 2009
From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 16:46:53 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Not as single spies
In-Reply-To: <472015B8-418D-40BC-B42D-C48CE44A09D1@mac.com>
References: <4A07703F-FEEE-4625-801E-780D52746A87@f2s.com>
	<532EE625-4601-4F40-8F43-4A94AA7794F7@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4A0F1E38.1080802@stackyard.org>
	<8766201F-D1E5-4204-A07D-932E80390457@mac.com>
	<4A10650B.2000606@stackyard.org>
	<472015B8-418D-40BC-B42D-C48CE44A09D1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F7D32B34-F909-4AA3-98C9-D958EA02719F@mac.com>


Thank you every one especially Paul D.
Restoring the smc changed with the mac mini from about the time of my  
purchase.
It required a switch off
and then unplug everything for at least 15 secs .
A force start up with only the power cord ,the keyboard and mouse but  
not the monitor plugged in.
a  switch off and restart with the monitor plugged in and a very very  
long grey screen with spinning cog before back to normal.
  tahks again.
  jeremy


From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Mon May 18 18:05:25 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 18:05:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: Illustrator problems!
In-Reply-To: <1ED31616-4DFC-4BDE-BDBA-F852FCF89BC3@virgin.net>
References: <97E9BA30-5123-466D-A2EF-B573F9BE0031@virgin.net>
	<1ED31616-4DFC-4BDE-BDBA-F852FCF89BC3@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <4A119555.9060200@stackyard.org>

Hi Martin,

 I suspect you didn't get an answer because nobody has a clue.  I 
certainly don't.  What did you upgrade from?  Did you change your 
version of Illustrator or just MacOS?  You might have a look at 
http://tinyurl.com/pr3bu8 and http://tinyurl.com/o48f9c but I don't know 
if either have any relevance to your problem.  You also might like to 
try renaming the Illustrator preference file.  I don't have Illustrator 
so I can't tell you what it's called but it will be somewhere in 
/Users/<your user name>/Library/Preferences.  The only warning I should 
give is that it will, as the name implies, cause any Illustrator 
preferences you have set to disappear so if it does not cure the 
problem, you can rename it to its original name (and delete the new one 
which Illustrator will have created in its place).

Best of luck.  Sorry I can't be more helpful.

Ken

Martin Fry wrote:
> Hi again
>
> I did not receive any replies about this problem!  I am using  
> Illustrator CS ( V11.0.0 )
>
>
>   
>> Does anyone know why, since upgrading to O/S 10.4.11 ,  I have a  
>> problem with opening all my old invoices in illustrator ?
>>
>>
>> I get a window saying it can't open the illustration because of  
>> incomplete or garbled object description
>>
>> "offending operator '.'
>> context:
>> 6() XW
>> U
>> 9() XW
>> X+
>> /A111 Textframegroup"
>>     
>
>   
>> The invoice opens on it's headed paper but it is blank of invoice  
>> address & details..
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> martin
>>     
>
> www.martinfryphotography.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon May 18 19:58:23 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 19:58:23 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: Illustrator problems!
In-Reply-To: <1ED31616-4DFC-4BDE-BDBA-F852FCF89BC3@virgin.net>
References: <97E9BA30-5123-466D-A2EF-B573F9BE0031@virgin.net>
	<1ED31616-4DFC-4BDE-BDBA-F852FCF89BC3@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <0C77D7FB-C33F-4D8A-9A15-D1BCC604C8FF@durrant.co.uk>

Hi Martin,

If you send me a sample file directly, I'll see what happens with CS3.

The error message essentially means that when it tried to read in the  
file it came across something it didn't understand. Not very helpful,  
really, but the best it can do.

regards,

Paul

On 18 May 2009, at 17:15, Martin Fry wrote:

> Hi again
>
> I did not receive any replies about this problem!  I am using
> Illustrator CS ( V11.0.0 )



From h.tamplin at btinternet.com  Mon May 18 20:56:52 2009
From: h.tamplin at btinternet.com (Heather Tamplin)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 20:56:52 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] graphic cards
Message-ID: <97172337-0D60-4EA0-9146-5CC0282B8E45@btinternet.com>

Hi all


Now that I have airport card for daughter's G5 dual powermac, I find  
that for her to use Final Cut Express it requires a different graphic  
card - its spend spend spend til she goes to Uni then more of the  
same I guess

and yes I am back to Ebay for my card - never let me down yet!

I am looking at
ATI Radeon GPU with 16mb vram or higher
or
Nvidia Geforece 2 with 16mb of vram or higher

there are quite a few on Ebay will all of them be Mac compatible?



many thanks

Heather


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue May 19 09:19:37 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:19:37 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mail Notification & Rules
Message-ID: <95DAC42B-8599-4AB9-BFD4-B6DF7BA7D03E@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I have started using Apple Mail properly recently. I have also started  
using rules to move certain emails to folders.

I have folders set up so emails from the different mailing groups (inc  
this one) goes into seperate folders, all my ebay and paypal emails  
are dropped into seperate folders and it is all working fine.

The only annoyance is, if I get a new email that is then moved to  
folder it doesn't show up as a new email in the dock icon. For  
instance I got 25 emails this morning, but only 5 were still left in  
the actual inbox - so the dock icon only showed a number 5.  can see  
new emails in the various folders as they will have a number next to  
them.

Is there a way round this.

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Tue May 19 09:26:07 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:26:07 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mail Notification & Rules
In-Reply-To: <95DAC42B-8599-4AB9-BFD4-B6DF7BA7D03E@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <95DAC42B-8599-4AB9-BFD4-B6DF7BA7D03E@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7871EF68-949C-4A91-841D-CC223B0D9174@virgin.net>


On May 19, 2009, at 09:19, Simon Royal wrote:

> The only annoyance is, if I get a new email that is then moved to
> folder it doesn't show up as a new email in the dock icon. For
> instance I got 25 emails this morning, but only 5 were still left in
> the actual inbox - so the dock icon only showed a number 5.  can see
> new emails in the various folders as they will have a number next to
> them.

Maybe a preference somewhere as that does not happen with me. The  
number shown in the dock is the total of unread emails wherever Rules  
has sent them. Fortunately it doesn't include those that have been  
automatically sent to Junk.

Paul C



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue May 19 09:26:20 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:26:20 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] eBay Accounts
Message-ID: <870FEDA7-AAD6-4040-BF29-8914B06B973F@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I have an eBay account - which my wife also used to log in to on her  
PC, so we shared an eBay account. Recently she set her own up and has  
been using it.

However if while logged into hers she clicked the 'My eBay' button, it  
would automatically log in to mine, without asking for my password (as  
they were remembered), which is annoying.

She uses Firefox. So I went into the saved passwords section and  
deleted my login details for ebay there, but it is still doing it. Any  
ideas.

While I have used her account on my Mac, I never saved the password  
and I never have the problem that she does.

Is there a way round this or do I have to clear all her private data -  
which will wipe all her remembered sites, history and all her passwords?

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue May 19 09:29:05 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:29:05 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mail Notification & Rules
In-Reply-To: <7871EF68-949C-4A91-841D-CC223B0D9174@virgin.net>
References: <95DAC42B-8599-4AB9-BFD4-B6DF7BA7D03E@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<7871EF68-949C-4A91-841D-CC223B0D9174@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <39D3029B-68EC-4AF8-B7F4-7A56FEB2AFEA@simonroyal.co.uk>

Paul

It took me longer to write the email than it did to find the problem.

Yes, under Preferences, there is a 'Dock Unread Count' which give the  
option of Inbox Only or All Mailboxes.

Simon

On 19 May 2009, at 09:26, Paul Chapman wrote:

>
> On May 19, 2009, at 09:19, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> The only annoyance is, if I get a new email that is then moved to
>> folder it doesn't show up as a new email in the dock icon. For
>> instance I got 25 emails this morning, but only 5 were still left in
>> the actual inbox - so the dock icon only showed a number 5.  can see
>> new emails in the various folders as they will have a number next to
>> them.
>
> Maybe a preference somewhere as that does not happen with me. The
> number shown in the dock is the total of unread emails wherever Rules
> has sent them. Fortunately it doesn't include those that have been
> automatically sent to Junk.
>
> Paul C
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
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'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Tue May 19 09:32:25 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:32:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] eBay Accounts
In-Reply-To: <870FEDA7-AAD6-4040-BF29-8914B06B973F@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <870FEDA7-AAD6-4040-BF29-8914B06B973F@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5242638B-6174-4923-B8A2-36CE2E2C2FE6@virgin.net>


On May 19, 2009, at 09:26, Simon Royal wrote:

> However if while logged into hers she clicked the 'My eBay' button, it
> would automatically log in to mine, without asking for my password (as
> they were remembered), which is annoying.

My main browser is Firefox but I have two eBay accounts and i like the  
idea of not having to log in and log out each time so one account I  
use in Firefox and the other in Safari. Works perfectly for me, could  
it be an option for you?

Paul C



From munkt0n at gmail.com  Tue May 19 09:48:05 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:48:05 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] eBay Accounts
In-Reply-To: <870FEDA7-AAD6-4040-BF29-8914B06B973F@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <870FEDA7-AAD6-4040-BF29-8914B06B973F@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0905190148x41529276l5b5384675d419ee6@mail.gmail.com>

it sounds like it's probably a cookie. A quick-ish fix is to install
the 'web developer' firefox extension, which will let you remove
cookies for a specific domain.

http://chrispederick.com/work/web-developer/

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi
>
> I have an eBay account - which my wife also used to log in to on her
> PC, so we shared an eBay account. Recently she set her own up and has
> been using it.
>
> However if while logged into hers she clicked the 'My eBay' button, it
> would automatically log in to mine, without asking for my password (as
> they were remembered), which is annoying.
>
> She uses Firefox. So I went into the saved passwords section and
> deleted my login details for ebay there, but it is still doing it. Any
> ideas.
>
> While I have used her account on my Mac, I never saved the password
> and I never have the problem that she does.
>
> Is there a way round this or do I have to clear all her private data -
> which will wipe all her remembered sites, history and all her passwords?
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue May 19 09:58:23 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:58:23 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] eBay Accounts
In-Reply-To: <5242638B-6174-4923-B8A2-36CE2E2C2FE6@virgin.net>
References: <870FEDA7-AAD6-4040-BF29-8914B06B973F@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<5242638B-6174-4923-B8A2-36CE2E2C2FE6@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <3DDD27A0-6484-41B4-96A5-E8BD3A333BBB@simonroyal.co.uk>

Paul

What I want is.

My wife running Vista and Firefox to log in to her account.
Me running Leopard and Firefox to log in to my account.

Mine works fine as I don't have her login details stored.
However, she had both details stored and it keeps defaulting to my  
account. I want to remove my login from hers completely.

Simon

On 19 May 2009, at 09:32, Paul Chapman wrote:

>
> On May 19, 2009, at 09:26, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> However if while logged into hers she clicked the 'My eBay' button,  
>> it
>> would automatically log in to mine, without asking for my password  
>> (as
>> they were remembered), which is annoying.
>
> My main browser is Firefox but I have two eBay accounts and i like the
> idea of not having to log in and log out each time so one account I
> use in Firefox and the other in Safari. Works perfectly for me, could
> it be an option for you?
>
> Paul C
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Tue May 19 10:32:09 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 10:32:09 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] eBay Accounts
In-Reply-To: <870FEDA7-AAD6-4040-BF29-8914B06B973F@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <870FEDA7-AAD6-4040-BF29-8914B06B973F@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A127C99.30101@stackyard.org>

Hi Simon,

When you say "it's still doing it" do you mean it is still logging in 
automatically as you?  If so, as Scott says, you have a cookie set by 
eBay which has kept you logged in.  Allow it to log in as you and then 
hit the "Sign out" link.  Flush the Firefox cookies and make sure the 
password for your account is still gone from the Firefox password cache 
(probably is).

Then go to My eBay again.  If the User ID field is empty, click in it 
and it should give your wife's ID if it is still stored in the FireFox 
cache.  If FireFox doesn't fill in an ID, log in with your wife's 
credentials and when prompted by FireFox, say you want it to remember 
the password.  Thereafter, your wife will be logged in automatically by 
the eBay cookie if it has not expired or be prompted with the correct 
User ID and password by FireFox if the cookie has gone.

I'm not sure if the FireFox web developer extension will help in this 
particular situation although it may be useful to you for your web 
authoring activities.  1st party cookies are quite useful because they 
are usually the "shopping carts" and help keep you logged in to sights 
where that is useful (except when it's not - like now).  It's the third 
party cookies that should be blocked as they tend to be the evil trackers.

Hope this helps.

Ken

Simon Royal wrote:
> Hi
>
> I have an eBay account - which my wife also used to log in to on her  
> PC, so we shared an eBay account. Recently she set her own up and has  
> been using it.
>
> However if while logged into hers she clicked the 'My eBay' button, it  
> would automatically log in to mine, without asking for my password (as  
> they were remembered), which is annoying.
>
> She uses Firefox. So I went into the saved passwords section and  
> deleted my login details for ebay there, but it is still doing it. Any  
> ideas.
>
> While I have used her account on my Mac, I never saved the password  
> and I never have the problem that she does.
>
> Is there a way round this or do I have to clear all her private data -  
> which will wipe all her remembered sites, history and all her passwords?
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From h.tamplin at btinternet.com  Tue May 19 10:51:00 2009
From: h.tamplin at btinternet.com (Heather Tamplin)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 10:51:00 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] graphics card
Message-ID: <0422FAA1-C630-4935-9CA4-9E830EC4FFD6@btinternet.com>

Hi All,
after a little more research online I found a bit of info that has  
solved the need to buy a graphics card that supports quartz extreme.
All Laynie had to do was to enable millions of colours, she was on  
thousands,
and now the card n the G5 supports quartz extreme - I am both happy  
and richer...

Heather


From jeremyknight at mac.com  Tue May 19 11:38:40 2009
From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 11:38:40 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] eBay Accounts
In-Reply-To: <4A127C99.30101@stackyard.org>
References: <870FEDA7-AAD6-4040-BF29-8914B06B973F@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4A127C99.30101@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <D8D6D37A-22B8-448E-B17F-3F01E731B072@mac.com>

Hi Simon
I have two Ebay accounts
When I log in I have a drop down to choose which account
I wish to open. after I have made the choice the password is entered  
automatically.
  jeremy
On 19 May 2009, at 10:32, Ken Hamer wrote:

> Hi Simon,
>
> When you say "it's still doing it" do you mean it is still logging in
> automatically as you?  If so, as Scott says, you have a cookie set by
> eBay which has kept you logged in.  Allow it to log in as you and then
> hit the "Sign out" link.  Flush the Firefox cookies and make sure the
> password for your account is still gone from the Firefox password  
> cache
> (probably is).
>
> Then go to My eBay again.  If the User ID field is empty, click in it
> and it should give your wife's ID if it is still stored in the FireFox
> cache.  If FireFox doesn't fill in an ID, log in with your wife's
> credentials and when prompted by FireFox, say you want it to remember
> the password.  Thereafter, your wife will be logged in automatically  
> by
> the eBay cookie if it has not expired or be prompted with the correct
> User ID and password by FireFox if the cookie has gone.
>
> I'm not sure if the FireFox web developer extension will help in this
> particular situation although it may be useful to you for your web
> authoring activities.  1st party cookies are quite useful because they
> are usually the "shopping carts" and help keep you logged in to sights
> where that is useful (except when it's not - like now).  It's the  
> third
> party cookies that should be blocked as they tend to be the evil  
> trackers.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Ken
>
> Simon Royal wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> I have an eBay account - which my wife also used to log in to on her
>> PC, so we shared an eBay account. Recently she set her own up and has
>> been using it.
>>
>> However if while logged into hers she clicked the 'My eBay' button,  
>> it
>> would automatically log in to mine, without asking for my password  
>> (as
>> they were remembered), which is annoying.
>>
>> She uses Firefox. So I went into the saved passwords section and
>> deleted my login details for ebay there, but it is still doing it.  
>> Any
>> ideas.
>>
>> While I have used her account on my Mac, I never saved the password
>> and I never have the problem that she does.
>>
>> Is there a way round this or do I have to clear all her private  
>> data -
>> which will wipe all her remembered sites, history and all her  
>> passwords?
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue May 19 11:52:37 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 11:52:37 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] eBay Accounts
In-Reply-To: <D8D6D37A-22B8-448E-B17F-3F01E731B072@mac.com>
References: <870FEDA7-AAD6-4040-BF29-8914B06B973F@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4A127C99.30101@stackyard.org>
	<D8D6D37A-22B8-448E-B17F-3F01E731B072@mac.com>
Message-ID: <84831E02-EDAF-4BA7-974F-944AEE84E813@simonroyal.co.uk>

Jeremy

Yes, my wife has that too, but whilst working on hers it still  
switches without telling you. You just notice the username change at  
the top.

Simon

On 19 May 2009, at 11:38, jeremy knight wrote:

> Hi Simon
> I have two Ebay accounts
> When I log in I have a drop down to choose which account
> I wish to open. after I have made the choice the password is entered
> automatically.
>  jeremy
> On 19 May 2009, at 10:32, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
>> Hi Simon,
>>
>> When you say "it's still doing it" do you mean it is still logging in
>> automatically as you?  If so, as Scott says, you have a cookie set by
>> eBay which has kept you logged in.  Allow it to log in as you and  
>> then
>> hit the "Sign out" link.  Flush the Firefox cookies and make sure the
>> password for your account is still gone from the Firefox password
>> cache
>> (probably is).
>>
>> Then go to My eBay again.  If the User ID field is empty, click in it
>> and it should give your wife's ID if it is still stored in the  
>> FireFox
>> cache.  If FireFox doesn't fill in an ID, log in with your wife's
>> credentials and when prompted by FireFox, say you want it to remember
>> the password.  Thereafter, your wife will be logged in automatically
>> by
>> the eBay cookie if it has not expired or be prompted with the correct
>> User ID and password by FireFox if the cookie has gone.
>>
>> I'm not sure if the FireFox web developer extension will help in this
>> particular situation although it may be useful to you for your web
>> authoring activities.  1st party cookies are quite useful because  
>> they
>> are usually the "shopping carts" and help keep you logged in to  
>> sights
>> where that is useful (except when it's not - like now).  It's the
>> third
>> party cookies that should be blocked as they tend to be the evil
>> trackers.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I have an eBay account - which my wife also used to log in to on her
>>> PC, so we shared an eBay account. Recently she set her own up and  
>>> has
>>> been using it.
>>>
>>> However if while logged into hers she clicked the 'My eBay' button,
>>> it
>>> would automatically log in to mine, without asking for my password
>>> (as
>>> they were remembered), which is annoying.
>>>
>>> She uses Firefox. So I went into the saved passwords section and
>>> deleted my login details for ebay there, but it is still doing it.
>>> Any
>>> ideas.
>>>
>>> While I have used her account on my Mac, I never saved the password
>>> and I never have the problem that she does.
>>>
>>> Is there a way round this or do I have to clear all her private
>>> data -
>>> which will wipe all her remembered sites, history and all her
>>> passwords?
>>>
>>> Simon Royal
>>> ---
>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Tue May 19 12:07:40 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 12:07:40 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] eBay Accounts
In-Reply-To: <84831E02-EDAF-4BA7-974F-944AEE84E813@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <870FEDA7-AAD6-4040-BF29-8914B06B973F@simonroyal.co.uk>	<4A127C99.30101@stackyard.org>	<D8D6D37A-22B8-448E-B17F-3F01E731B072@mac.com>
	<84831E02-EDAF-4BA7-974F-944AEE84E813@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A1292FC.4010000@stackyard.org>

Simon,

The drop-down menu is courtesy of the Firefox saved passwords.  If your 
wife is getting a drop-down menu, it's because she has more than one 
username-password pair for that particular login web page.  And if 
you're logged in as a particular user on eBay, it shouldn't be switching 
users without telling you.  You've not got two tabs open, by any chance 
- one for each login?

In any event, I would delete any eBay passwords from her Firefox cache 
and get her to start again.  Get her to log in with her new credentials 
that she has recently set up and tell Firefox to save the password.  She 
shouldn't get a drop-down menu after that - the ID and password fields 
should just be filled in and she merely has to click the login button.

Ken

Simon Royal wrote:
> Jeremy
>
> Yes, my wife has that too, but whilst working on hers it still  
> switches without telling you. You just notice the username change at  
> the top.
>
> Simon
>
> On 19 May 2009, at 11:38, jeremy knight wrote:
>
>   
>> Hi Simon
>> I have two Ebay accounts
>> When I log in I have a drop down to choose which account
>> I wish to open. after I have made the choice the password is entered
>> automatically.
>>  jeremy
>> On 19 May 2009, at 10:32, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Hi Simon,
>>>
>>> When you say "it's still doing it" do you mean it is still logging in
>>> automatically as you?  If so, as Scott says, you have a cookie set by
>>> eBay which has kept you logged in.  Allow it to log in as you and  
>>> then
>>> hit the "Sign out" link.  Flush the Firefox cookies and make sure the
>>> password for your account is still gone from the Firefox password
>>> cache
>>> (probably is).
>>>
>>> Then go to My eBay again.  If the User ID field is empty, click in it
>>> and it should give your wife's ID if it is still stored in the  
>>> FireFox
>>> cache.  If FireFox doesn't fill in an ID, log in with your wife's
>>> credentials and when prompted by FireFox, say you want it to remember
>>> the password.  Thereafter, your wife will be logged in automatically
>>> by
>>> the eBay cookie if it has not expired or be prompted with the correct
>>> User ID and password by FireFox if the cookie has gone.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure if the FireFox web developer extension will help in this
>>> particular situation although it may be useful to you for your web
>>> authoring activities.  1st party cookies are quite useful because  
>>> they
>>> are usually the "shopping carts" and help keep you logged in to  
>>> sights
>>> where that is useful (except when it's not - like now).  It's the
>>> third
>>> party cookies that should be blocked as they tend to be the evil
>>> trackers.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> I have an eBay account - which my wife also used to log in to on her
>>>> PC, so we shared an eBay account. Recently she set her own up and  
>>>> has
>>>> been using it.
>>>>
>>>> However if while logged into hers she clicked the 'My eBay' button,
>>>> it
>>>> would automatically log in to mine, without asking for my password
>>>> (as
>>>> they were remembered), which is annoying.
>>>>
>>>> She uses Firefox. So I went into the saved passwords section and
>>>> deleted my login details for ebay there, but it is still doing it.
>>>> Any
>>>> ideas.
>>>>
>>>> While I have used her account on my Mac, I never saved the password
>>>> and I never have the problem that she does.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a way round this or do I have to clear all her private
>>>> data -
>>>> which will wipe all her remembered sites, history and all her
>>>> passwords?
>>>>
>>>> Simon Royal
>>>> ---
>>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>     
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From jinshinjewels at googlemail.com  Tue May 19 16:00:49 2009
From: jinshinjewels at googlemail.com (Jules Slaughter)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 16:00:49 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] burning
Message-ID: <adb0e98a0905190800n50a3dde1j8616fac35ac48f52@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All

Can someone tell me if my copying/back up drive (correct terminology?)
is broken?

I have tried to copy photos: it makes a grinding noise, gets 'stuck'
on 'finishing burn' so you can't do anything else, after 20 mins + I
switched off.  Can't get it to play anything from disc, it goes in
makes a struggling noise but no icon comes up to look at anything on
disc.

I presume its broken.  How do I copy to stick, as well?!


-- 
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to improve your health.

My business works on referrals.
If you like what I do, please tell others.
If not, please tell me.


From vivian_wickham at tiscali.co.uk  Tue May 19 17:43:31 2009
From: vivian_wickham at tiscali.co.uk (Ian Wickham)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 17:43:31 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Printer not responding
Message-ID: <4FB01430-4BB2-429A-B83A-8CC01BA6DDF7@tiscali.co.uk>

Hello

I wonder if any of you can help!! When ever I want to print anything  
as soon as  I go to print the beachball starts to go round and round  
and I have to force quit what ever I am on to clear it, the print page  
doesn't even come up. I have gone into system preferences, clicked on  
print and fax and again nothing comes up and I have to force quit. The  
printer is working correctly, I have reloaded the printer software -  
which I don't think I needed to do, I have run Onyx and macjanitor to  
no avail!!. I have shut the computer down several  times and it has  
decided to print something when I have turned it back on a couple of  
times but not everytime.

Please, please help
Viv Wickham 


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue May 19 17:57:15 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 17:57:15 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] burning
In-Reply-To: <adb0e98a0905190800n50a3dde1j8616fac35ac48f52@mail.gmail.com>
References: <adb0e98a0905190800n50a3dde1j8616fac35ac48f52@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D5A3E9CE-D490-4855-BD66-020A91A9F146@durrant.co.uk>

It certain sounds like your DVD-burner (CD-burner?) is broken. It's  
just possible it might be the case electronics, or even the power  
supply, but it's most likely the mechanism.

New mechanisms are pretty cheap now (<?20). You just need to know  
whether your existing case take a parallel (PATA/IDE) or serial (SATA)  
drive to get a new one.

PATA: http://svp.co.uk/product/pioneer_dvr_116dbk_20x_dvd_writer_hw328_cloned
SATA: http://svp.co.uk/product/pioneer_dvr_216dbk_20x_sata_cd_dvd_writer_

Copying to a USB flash drive is just like any other external hard  
disk. Just drag & drop in the Finder, or select in the save as dialog.

Paul

On 19 May 2009, at 16:00, Jules Slaughter wrote:
> Can someone tell me if my copying/back up drive (correct terminology?)
> is broken?
>
> I have tried to copy photos: it makes a grinding noise, gets 'stuck'
> on 'finishing burn' so you can't do anything else, after 20 mins + I
> switched off.  Can't get it to play anything from disc, it goes in
> makes a struggling noise but no icon comes up to look at anything on
> disc.
>
> I presume its broken.  How do I copy to stick, as well?!
>



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue May 19 18:02:12 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 18:02:12 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Printer not responding
In-Reply-To: <4FB01430-4BB2-429A-B83A-8CC01BA6DDF7@tiscali.co.uk>
References: <4FB01430-4BB2-429A-B83A-8CC01BA6DDF7@tiscali.co.uk>
Message-ID: <9360F82A-1E05-47AB-92F3-BC9995AAEF44@durrant.co.uk>

It sounds like you've installed some incompatible printer driver  
software (or something has corrupted the software), and so it's not  
working and it's also causing the system preferences to crash.

I don't know exactly where such preferences/settings are stored, but  
I'd try going to /Library/Preferences and deleting any file starting  
with com.apple.print. Perhaps that will enable the System Preferences  
to com up again, which is the first step towards getting your printer  
going.

What printer do you have?

Paul


On 19 May 2009, at 17:43, Ian Wickham wrote:

> Hello
>
> I wonder if any of you can help!! When ever I want to print anything
> as soon as  I go to print the beachball starts to go round and round
> and I have to force quit what ever I am on to clear it, the print page
> doesn't even come up. I have gone into system preferences, clicked on
> print and fax and again nothing comes up and I have to force quit. The
> printer is working correctly, I have reloaded the printer software -
> which I don't think I needed to do, I have run Onyx and macjanitor to
> no avail!!. I have shut the computer down several  times and it has
> decided to print something when I have turned it back on a couple of
> times but not everytime.



From vivian_wickham at tiscali.co.uk  Tue May 19 18:07:33 2009
From: vivian_wickham at tiscali.co.uk (Ian Wickham)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 18:07:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Printer not responding
In-Reply-To: <9360F82A-1E05-47AB-92F3-BC9995AAEF44@durrant.co.uk>
References: <4FB01430-4BB2-429A-B83A-8CC01BA6DDF7@tiscali.co.uk>
	<9360F82A-1E05-47AB-92F3-BC9995AAEF44@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <867F4FB7-990D-4B7D-8B7B-2991936E3605@tiscali.co.uk>

Thanks, I have an Epson Stylus Photo R360.

Viv
On 19 May 2009, at 18:02, Paul Durrant wrote:

> It sounds like you've installed some incompatible printer driver
> software (or something has corrupted the software), and so it's not
> working and it's also causing the system preferences to crash.
>
> I don't know exactly where such preferences/settings are stored, but
> I'd try going to /Library/Preferences and deleting any file starting
> with com.apple.print. Perhaps that will enable the System Preferences
> to com up again, which is the first step towards getting your printer
> going.
>
> What printer do you have?
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 19 May 2009, at 17:43, Ian Wickham wrote:
>
>> Hello
>>
>> I wonder if any of you can help!! When ever I want to print anything
>> as soon as  I go to print the beachball starts to go round and round
>> and I have to force quit what ever I am on to clear it, the print  
>> page
>> doesn't even come up. I have gone into system preferences, clicked on
>> print and fax and again nothing comes up and I have to force quit.  
>> The
>> printer is working correctly, I have reloaded the printer software -
>> which I don't think I needed to do, I have run Onyx and macjanitor to
>> no avail!!. I have shut the computer down several  times and it has
>> decided to print something when I have turned it back on a couple of
>> times but not everytime.
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue May 19 18:22:24 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 18:22:24 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Printer not responding
In-Reply-To: <867F4FB7-990D-4B7D-8B7B-2991936E3605@tiscali.co.uk>
References: <4FB01430-4BB2-429A-B83A-8CC01BA6DDF7@tiscali.co.uk>
	<9360F82A-1E05-47AB-92F3-BC9995AAEF44@durrant.co.uk>
	<867F4FB7-990D-4B7D-8B7B-2991936E3605@tiscali.co.uk>
Message-ID: <E4CF0E0B-219D-435A-B0B8-944959D616C2@durrant.co.uk>

OK, that's fairly recent, and has Mac OS X driver available from http://www.epson.co.uk/

Got to the support page/Drivers & Software, and you want the driver  
v6.10, dated 5 nov 2007. Hmm.. you might need to use firefox to  
download it - I couldn't get it to work in Safari, but that might be  
just my system - it gets a lot of stuff put on and off as I develop  
software.

But the first thing is to get your System preferences going - if  
that's not working, nothing else is going to help. If all else fails,  
you can do an archive and install to get a fresh system software set  
on your machine.

Which Mac do you have, BTW?

Paul


On 19 May 2009, at 18:07, Ian Wickham wrote:

> Thanks, I have an Epson Stylus Photo R360.
>


From macman at f2s.com  Tue May 19 18:27:30 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 18:27:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Printer not responding
In-Reply-To: <867F4FB7-990D-4B7D-8B7B-2991936E3605@tiscali.co.uk>
References: <4FB01430-4BB2-429A-B83A-8CC01BA6DDF7@tiscali.co.uk>
	<9360F82A-1E05-47AB-92F3-BC9995AAEF44@durrant.co.uk>
	<867F4FB7-990D-4B7D-8B7B-2991936E3605@tiscali.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3E1CF247-8C31-4CA6-8843-C78F2D77B069@f2s.com>

Has it worked in the past?   What OS are you running?

Have you tried deleting the printer, (In Print & fax Preferences) then  
adding as a new one?

It should go away and find any connected printer, then show a driver  
list on a pull down - just search and select the correct one for your  
model.

Robbie



On 19 May 2009, at 18:07, Ian Wickham wrote:

Thanks, I have an Epson Stylus Photo R360.

Viv
On 19 May 2009, at 18:02, Paul Durrant wrote:

> It sounds like you've installed some incompatible printer driver
> software (or something has corrupted the software), and so it's not
> working and it's also causing the system preferences to crash.
>
> I don't know exactly where such preferences/settings are stored, but
> I'd try going to /Library/Preferences and deleting any file starting
> with com.apple.print. Perhaps that will enable the System Preferences
> to com up again, which is the first step towards getting your printer
> going.
>
> What printer do you have?
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 19 May 2009, at 17:43, Ian Wickham wrote:
>
>> Hello
>>
>> I wonder if any of you can help!! When ever I want to print anything
>> as soon as  I go to print the beachball starts to go round and round
>> and I have to force quit what ever I am on to clear it, the print
>> page
>> doesn't even come up. I have gone into system preferences, clicked on
>> print and fax and again nothing comes up and I have to force quit.
>> The
>> printer is working correctly, I have reloaded the printer software -
>> which I don't think I needed to do, I have run Onyx and macjanitor to
>> no avail!!. I have shut the computer down several  times and it has
>> decided to print something when I have turned it back on a couple of
>> times but not everytime.
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

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From munkt0n at gmail.com  Tue May 19 18:31:14 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 18:31:14 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Critical Mac OS X Java Vulnerabilities
Message-ID: <ac224bde0905191031v1848ca48j71b76b6681994a18@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

a serious bug has been found in the version of Java that ships with OS X.
it's recommended to disable java in your browser(s) until Apple catch
up and release a patch.
this has not been fixed as of 10.5.7

firefox : preferences -> content tab -> untick 'Enable Java'
safari : preferences -> security tab -> untick 'Enable Java'

more details can be found here.

http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/code/macosx/CVE-2008-5353.20090519.html

-- 
:wq


From macman at f2s.com  Tue May 19 18:42:04 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 18:42:04 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Critical Mac OS X Java Vulnerabilities
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0905191031v1848ca48j71b76b6681994a18@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ac224bde0905191031v1848ca48j71b76b6681994a18@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <075F493D-E287-4940-B03C-33B411722710@f2s.com>

Don't know if it related to this, but a patch for Safari Beta 4 was  
released today via Software Update .....

Robbie


On 19 May 2009, at 18:31, Scott Matthews wrote:

Hi,

a serious bug has been found in the version of Java that ships with OS  
X.
it's recommended to disable java in your browser(s) until Apple catch
up and release a patch.
this has not been fixed as of 10.5.7

firefox : preferences -> content tab -> untick 'Enable Java'
safari : preferences -> security tab -> untick 'Enable Java'

more details can be found here.

http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/code/macosx/CVE-2008-5353.20090519.html

-- 
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From michelehurst at mac.com  Tue May 19 19:20:30 2009
From: michelehurst at mac.com (Michele Hurst)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 19:20:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: macbook, which one?
References: <D1C7256E-8DA9-4C48-BA13-64BC949CF571@mac.com>
Message-ID: <3188F242-0069-4ABB-AD95-2876CF3B2614@mac.com>



Begin forwarded message:

> From: Michele Hurst <michelehurst at mac.com>
> Date: 19 May 2009 19:17:56 BST
> To: nmug-request at durrant.co.uk
> Subject: macbook, which one?
>
> Hi, Am thinking of upgrading my g4 powerbook to a macbook.
> Which is better, the white one or the dearer aluminium one? I don't  
> like the black keys on the ally one and prefer the look of the white  
> one asthetically but as for me it is a big outlay I do not want to  
> buy the inferior machine if that is the case. Love the macbook air  
> but top of my price range and has a slower processor. does this make  
> not as good?
> Oh what to do?????
> This purchase will have to try to emulate the 5 years of my g4!!!!
> Thanks
> Michele
>
> Michele Hurst
> michelehurst at mac.com
>
>
>

Michele Hurst
michelehurst at mac.com





From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue May 19 19:37:47 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 19:37:47 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Critical Mac OS X Java Vulnerabilities
In-Reply-To: <075F493D-E287-4940-B03C-33B411722710@f2s.com>
References: <ac224bde0905191031v1848ca48j71b76b6681994a18@mail.gmail.com>
	<075F493D-E287-4940-B03C-33B411722710@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <6DFCFF72-6F5D-40CE-B961-D75E5314B462@durrant.co.uk>

I'm running the latest Safari 4 beta. The bug is still there, because  
it's in java, not Safari.

Thanks to Scott for this warning - I agree that disabling Java in web  
browsers seems a sensible precaution at present. For Safar it's in  
Preferences/Security/Enable Java. (Javascript is different - that can  
be left enabled.)

Paul

On 19 May 2009, at 18:42, Robbie Murray wrote:

> Don't know if it related to this, but a patch for Safari Beta 4 was
> released today via Software Update .....
>
> Robbie
>
>
> On 19 May 2009, at 18:31, Scott Matthews wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> a serious bug has been found in the version of Java that ships with OS
> X.
> it's recommended to disable java in your browser(s) until Apple catch
> up and release a patch.
> this has not been fixed as of 10.5.7
>
> firefox : preferences -> content tab -> untick 'Enable Java'
> safari : preferences -> security tab -> untick 'Enable Java'
>
> more details can be found here.
>
> http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/code/macosx/CVE-2008-5353.20090519.html



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue May 19 19:43:28 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 19:43:28 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: macbook, which one?
In-Reply-To: <3188F242-0069-4ABB-AD95-2876CF3B2614@mac.com>
References: <D1C7256E-8DA9-4C48-BA13-64BC949CF571@mac.com>
	<3188F242-0069-4ABB-AD95-2876CF3B2614@mac.com>
Message-ID: <AB7A7A2C-C612-411A-8D84-9FAB2F0B44EE@durrant.co.uk>

There are two main differences between the current white and low end  
aluminium MacBooks, apart from the cost.

1. The white MacBook has slightly slower memory
2. The white MacBook has a firewire port, which the aluminium Mac Book  
doesn't.

Personally, I'd go for either the white MacBook, or the high end  
Aluminium MacBook. And if you;re not eligible for education disconts,  
I'd recommend a refurbished model. In fact, those two models are  
available in the refurbished store today.

?629 (instead of ?719) for the 2.0GHz white MacBook:
http://store.apple.com/uk/product/FB881B/A?mco=MjE0NjI4NQ

?929 (instead of ?1125) for the 2.4GHz aluminium MacBook:
http://store.apple.com/uk/product/FB467B/A?mco=MjE0NjI4NQ


On 19 May 2009, at 19:20, Michele Hurst wrote:
> Hi, Am thinking of upgrading my g4 powerbook to a macbook.
> Which is better, the white one or the dearer aluminium one? I don't
> like the black keys on the ally one and prefer the look of the white
> one asthetically but as for me it is a big outlay I do not want to
> buy the inferior machine if that is the case. Love the macbook air
> but top of my price range and has a slower processor. does this make
> not as good?
> Oh what to do?????
> This purchase will have to try to emulate the 5 years of my g4!!!!
> Thanks
> Michele



From vivian_wickham at tiscali.co.uk  Tue May 19 20:36:50 2009
From: vivian_wickham at tiscali.co.uk (Ian Wickham)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 20:36:50 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] printer working!!
Message-ID: <8CDC628A-E63B-4BBA-AF14-6115521F833F@tiscali.co.uk>

Oh my goodness, Thank you very much Paul and Robbie I took bits of  
advice from both of you - fiddled about a bit !! and Hooray its  
currently working.

Lets hope it stays like that.
thanks again
Viv


From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Wed May 20 09:20:17 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 09:20:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Critical Mac OS X Java Vulnerabilities
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0905191031v1848ca48j71b76b6681994a18@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ac224bde0905191031v1848ca48j71b76b6681994a18@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A13BD41.8040503@stackyard.org>

The Register's take on the situation is at http://tinyurl.com/pcf2ms

Scott Matthews wrote:
> Hi,
>
> a serious bug has been found in the version of Java that ships with OS X.
> it's recommended to disable java in your browser(s) until Apple catch
> up and release a patch.
> this has not been fixed as of 10.5.7
>
> firefox : preferences -> content tab -> untick 'Enable Java'
> safari : preferences -> security tab -> untick 'Enable Java'
>
> more details can be found here.
>
> http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/code/macosx/CVE-2008-5353.20090519.html
>
>   


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed May 20 09:53:53 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 09:53:53 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Date Modified HTML
Message-ID: <4EEF90E1-19AF-4706-A66C-0E165BCA0DFD@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I am trying to automatically add a line in on each page of my site  
that tells the visitor when the page was last updated. Currently I am  
doing it manually.

Is there a piece of HTML code I can put in. I have Googled it and it  
comes up with PHP and Javascript solutions. I can't use PHP (as my  
server doesn't support it) and I don't want to use Javascript, unless  
I have to.

Any help.

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk  Wed May 20 09:58:23 2009
From: david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk (David Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 09:58:23 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Date Modified HTML
In-Reply-To: <4EEF90E1-19AF-4706-A66C-0E165BCA0DFD@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <4EEF90E1-19AF-4706-A66C-0E165BCA0DFD@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <03E9DD65-1DCA-466C-AF75-661940A84A34@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>


On 20 May 2009, at 09:53, Simon Royal wrote:

> I am trying to automatically add a line in on each page of my site
> that tells the visitor when the page was last updated. Currently I am
> doing it manually.
>
> Is there a piece of HTML code I can put in. I have Googled it and it
> comes up with PHP and Javascript solutions. I can't use PHP (as my
> server doesn't support it) and I don't want to use Javascript, unless
> I have to.
>
> Any help.

Simon,

It would have to be some sort of server side scripting language,  
because it would have to read the modification time from the files.

Do you have access to anything other than PHP? Maybe Perl or Python or  
ASP?


David

-- 
David Reynolds
david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed May 20 10:01:06 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 10:01:06 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Date Modified HTML
In-Reply-To: <03E9DD65-1DCA-466C-AF75-661940A84A34@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>
References: <4EEF90E1-19AF-4706-A66C-0E165BCA0DFD@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<03E9DD65-1DCA-466C-AF75-661940A84A34@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>
Message-ID: <5CF201E7-C932-469C-96BE-EBCE71871C4B@simonroyal.co.uk>

David

Don't think so. My provider is pretty lame.

Simon

On 20 May 2009, at 09:58, David Reynolds wrote:

>
> On 20 May 2009, at 09:53, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> I am trying to automatically add a line in on each page of my site
>> that tells the visitor when the page was last updated. Currently I am
>> doing it manually.
>>
>> Is there a piece of HTML code I can put in. I have Googled it and it
>> comes up with PHP and Javascript solutions. I can't use PHP (as my
>> server doesn't support it) and I don't want to use Javascript, unless
>> I have to.
>>
>> Any help.
>
> Simon,
>
> It would have to be some sort of server side scripting language,
> because it would have to read the modification time from the files.
>
> Do you have access to anything other than PHP? Maybe Perl or Python or
> ASP?
>
>
> David
>
> --  
> David Reynolds
> david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
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'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk  Wed May 20 10:17:34 2009
From: david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk (David Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 10:17:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Date Modified HTML
In-Reply-To: <5CF201E7-C932-469C-96BE-EBCE71871C4B@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <4EEF90E1-19AF-4706-A66C-0E165BCA0DFD@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<03E9DD65-1DCA-466C-AF75-661940A84A34@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>
	<5CF201E7-C932-469C-96BE-EBCE71871C4B@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CDE0DC77-DB48-4B8B-8472-EF962677CB91@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>


On 20 May 2009, at 10:01, Simon Royal wrote:

> David
>
> Don't think so. My provider is pretty lame.


Can't be done then.

-- 
David Reynolds
david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk







From jinshinjewels at googlemail.com  Wed May 20 11:36:53 2009
From: jinshinjewels at googlemail.com (Jules Slaughter)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 11:36:53 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] burning
In-Reply-To: <D5A3E9CE-D490-4855-BD66-020A91A9F146@durrant.co.uk>
References: <adb0e98a0905190800n50a3dde1j8616fac35ac48f52@mail.gmail.com>
	<D5A3E9CE-D490-4855-BD66-020A91A9F146@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <adb0e98a0905200336k7fa85bb3qa423e54ef7cab9a5@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Paul


Thanks for your advice.  I will keep going to the workshops on Mac so
I can learn what all that means!  At least I know its broken!

Many thanks.

Jules



On 5/19/09, Paul Durrant <paul at durrant.co.uk> wrote:
> It certain sounds like your DVD-burner (CD-burner?) is broken. It's
>  just possible it might be the case electronics, or even the power
>  supply, but it's most likely the mechanism.
>
>  New mechanisms are pretty cheap now (<?20). You just need to know
>  whether your existing case take a parallel (PATA/IDE) or serial (SATA)
>  drive to get a new one.
>
>  PATA: http://svp.co.uk/product/pioneer_dvr_116dbk_20x_dvd_writer_hw328_cloned
>  SATA: http://svp.co.uk/product/pioneer_dvr_216dbk_20x_sata_cd_dvd_writer_
>
>  Copying to a USB flash drive is just like any other external hard
>  disk. Just drag & drop in the Finder, or select in the save as dialog.
>
>  Paul
>
>
>  On 19 May 2009, at 16:00, Jules Slaughter wrote:
>  > Can someone tell me if my copying/back up drive (correct terminology?)
>  > is broken?
>  >
>  > I have tried to copy photos: it makes a grinding noise, gets 'stuck'
>  > on 'finishing burn' so you can't do anything else, after 20 mins + I
>  > switched off.  Can't get it to play anything from disc, it goes in
>  > makes a struggling noise but no icon comes up to look at anything on
>  > disc.
>  >
>  > I presume its broken.  How do I copy to stick, as well?!
>  >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>  NMUG mailing list
>  NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>  http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>


-- 
Jules

CalmClasses & Therapies
to improve your health.

My business works on referrals.
If you like what I do, please tell others.
If not, please tell me.


From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Wed May 20 11:48:38 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 11:48:38 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] burning
In-Reply-To: <adb0e98a0905200336k7fa85bb3qa423e54ef7cab9a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <adb0e98a0905190800n50a3dde1j8616fac35ac48f52@mail.gmail.com>	<D5A3E9CE-D490-4855-BD66-020A91A9F146@durrant.co.uk>
	<adb0e98a0905200336k7fa85bb3qa423e54ef7cab9a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A13E006.3090803@stackyard.org>

Hi Jules,

You don't mention what sort of machine you have.  What model is it and 
how long have you had it?

Regards,

Ken

Jules Slaughter wrote:
> Dear Paul
>
>
> Thanks for your advice.  I will keep going to the workshops on Mac so
> I can learn what all that means!  At least I know its broken!
>
> Many thanks.
>
> Jules
>
>
>
> On 5/19/09, Paul Durrant <paul at durrant.co.uk> wrote:
>   
>> It certain sounds like your DVD-burner (CD-burner?) is broken. It's
>>  just possible it might be the case electronics, or even the power
>>  supply, but it's most likely the mechanism.
>>
>>  New mechanisms are pretty cheap now (<?20). You just need to know
>>  whether your existing case take a parallel (PATA/IDE) or serial (SATA)
>>  drive to get a new one.
>>
>>  PATA: http://svp.co.uk/product/pioneer_dvr_116dbk_20x_dvd_writer_hw328_cloned
>>  SATA: http://svp.co.uk/product/pioneer_dvr_216dbk_20x_sata_cd_dvd_writer_
>>
>>  Copying to a USB flash drive is just like any other external hard
>>  disk. Just drag & drop in the Finder, or select in the save as dialog.
>>
>>  Paul
>>
>>
>>  On 19 May 2009, at 16:00, Jules Slaughter wrote:
>>  > Can someone tell me if my copying/back up drive (correct terminology?)
>>  > is broken?
>>  >
>>  > I have tried to copy photos: it makes a grinding noise, gets 'stuck'
>>  > on 'finishing burn' so you can't do anything else, after 20 mins + I
>>  > switched off.  Can't get it to play anything from disc, it goes in
>>  > makes a struggling noise but no icon comes up to look at anything on
>>  > disc.
>>  >
>>  > I presume its broken.  How do I copy to stick, as well?!
>>  >
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>  NMUG mailing list
>>  NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>  http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>     
>
>
>   


From michelehurst at mac.com  Wed May 20 12:27:38 2009
From: michelehurst at mac.com (Michele Hurst)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 04:27:38 -0700
Subject: [NMUG] Possible sale of g4 ally powerbook
Message-ID: <49311049030527682474366794204729157599-Webmail@me.com>

Thanks Paul 
Does any one have any suggestions as to the value and whether anyone would want to buy if I get my new macbook 
Running leopard, 1.5gig RAM (I upgraded) plus all the other usual spec. Also have an isight camera as believe macbook to have one built in. 
ps would not have a clue how to clean hard drive up!!! 
Thanks 
Michele 


From macman at f2s.com  Wed May 20 12:46:41 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 12:46:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Possible sale of g4 ally powerbook
In-Reply-To: <49311049030527682474366794204729157599-Webmail@me.com>
References: <49311049030527682474366794204729157599-Webmail@me.com>
Message-ID: <A5CE2DDB-54AE-40EB-A50F-186B81473CA7@f2s.com>

eBay is a good starting point - just look for currently listed similar  
models to get an idea what they're achieving.


iSights are like hen's teeth, and command very good prices.

Someone offered one on Freecycle on Monday and it went within minutes  
- the lucky recipient certainly got a real bargain!

Robbie



On 20 May 2009, at 12:27, Michele Hurst wrote:

Thanks Paul
Does any one have any suggestions as to the value and whether anyone  
would want to buy if I get my new macbook
Running leopard, 1.5gig RAM (I upgraded) plus all the other usual  
spec. Also have an isight camera as believe macbook to have one built  
in.
ps would not have a clue how to clean hard drive up!!!
Thanks
Michele
_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
NMUG at durrant.co.uk
http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From macman at f2s.com  Wed May 20 12:47:23 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 12:47:23 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows 7 Install Disk
Message-ID: <7A7F347F-A059-494E-BDC5-E9693019F351@f2s.com>

I need to have a dark side machine to hand to ensure anything I build  
on my Mac will display properly in Windows, and for that reason I have  
a PC running XP.

I heard on a podcast recently, however, about Sun VirtualBox, which is  
completely free - not a trial, no restrictions and does the same as  
Parallels or VMFusion, so thought it would be interesting to install  
and take advantage of the Windows 7 RC, which is FOC and will run  
until next year before forcing a purchase.

Downloading and installing Virtual Machine was a doddle, but I'm  
struggling to create an install disk for Windows - I've downloaded and  
burned to DVD,but although it verified and passed and all the usual  
Windows gubbins appears to be there, the Virtual Machine reports  "no  
bootable medium found" and refuses to go any further.

I then tried setting up a Windows partition using BootCamp, but ran in  
to the same problem.

So far I've burned 6 disks - 3 x Sony and 3 x A.N. Other, using both  
toast 6 and Disk Utility on the iMac Superdrive and my LaCie external  
burner, all to no avail.

Can't see why, but I'm not sure if the DVD name has anything to do  
with it , as it's gobbledegook - same as the downloaded Disk Image:   
"GRC1CULFRER_EN_DVD", but it can't be changed, and I can't imagine the  
format is any different.

I then tried downloading the Windows Software on the PC, and have it  
on the desktop, but it only has a CD burner .....

I could transfer it to the Mac and try burning that, but maybe it  
would be no different, so before driving myself even further round the  
bend, I thought I would share the problem with the collective NMUG  
wisdom

Anyone have any ideas?  Has anyone successfully burned an install disk  
which works?  If so, could I borrow or have a copy? (No EULA issues  
involved)

Isn't it terrible when something which started as no more than an Idle  
thought goes wrong and becomes an obsession?

Robbie


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed May 20 12:51:44 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 12:51:44 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows 7 Install Disk
In-Reply-To: <7A7F347F-A059-494E-BDC5-E9693019F351@f2s.com>
References: <7A7F347F-A059-494E-BDC5-E9693019F351@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <5A3FCDC9-4F6E-4902-84E9-0C06E9BAA5F5@simonroyal.co.uk>

Robbie

Doesn't VirtualBox allow you to install from an image.

I know VirtualPC for older Macs does, can't remember if Fusion and  
Parallels does - pretty sure they do.

Therefore you wouldn't need to burn it to DVD.

Simon

On 20 May 2009, at 12:47, Robbie Murray wrote:

> I need to have a dark side machine to hand to ensure anything I build
> on my Mac will display properly in Windows, and for that reason I have
> a PC running XP.
>
> I heard on a podcast recently, however, about Sun VirtualBox, which is
> completely free - not a trial, no restrictions and does the same as
> Parallels or VMFusion, so thought it would be interesting to install
> and take advantage of the Windows 7 RC, which is FOC and will run
> until next year before forcing a purchase.
>
> Downloading and installing Virtual Machine was a doddle, but I'm
> struggling to create an install disk for Windows - I've downloaded and
> burned to DVD,but although it verified and passed and all the usual
> Windows gubbins appears to be there, the Virtual Machine reports  "no
> bootable medium found" and refuses to go any further.
>
> I then tried setting up a Windows partition using BootCamp, but ran in
> to the same problem.
>
> So far I've burned 6 disks - 3 x Sony and 3 x A.N. Other, using both
> toast 6 and Disk Utility on the iMac Superdrive and my LaCie external
> burner, all to no avail.
>
> Can't see why, but I'm not sure if the DVD name has anything to do
> with it , as it's gobbledegook - same as the downloaded Disk Image:
> "GRC1CULFRER_EN_DVD", but it can't be changed, and I can't imagine the
> format is any different.
>
> I then tried downloading the Windows Software on the PC, and have it
> on the desktop, but it only has a CD burner .....
>
> I could transfer it to the Mac and try burning that, but maybe it
> would be no different, so before driving myself even further round the
> bend, I thought I would share the problem with the collective NMUG
> wisdom
>
> Anyone have any ideas?  Has anyone successfully burned an install disk
> which works?  If so, could I borrow or have a copy? (No EULA issues
> involved)
>
> Isn't it terrible when something which started as no more than an Idle
> thought goes wrong and becomes an obsession?
>
> Robbie
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From sc at davidviner.com  Wed May 20 13:05:39 2009
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 13:05:39 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows 7 Install Disk
In-Reply-To: <5A3FCDC9-4F6E-4902-84E9-0C06E9BAA5F5@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <7A7F347F-A059-494E-BDC5-E9693019F351@f2s.com>
	<5A3FCDC9-4F6E-4902-84E9-0C06E9BAA5F5@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A13F213.7070709@davidviner.com>

Yes, Simon is right - I always boot off the ISO when installing new 
virtual machines in VirtualBox.

David

Simon Royal wrote:
> Robbie
>
> Doesn't VirtualBox allow you to install from an image.
>
> I know VirtualPC for older Macs does, can't remember if Fusion and  
> Parallels does - pretty sure they do.
>
> Therefore you wouldn't need to burn it to DVD.
>
> Simon
>
> On 20 May 2009, at 12:47, Robbie Murray wrote:
>
>   
>> I need to have a dark side machine to hand to ensure anything I build
>> on my Mac will display properly in Windows, and for that reason I have
>> a PC running XP.
>>
>> I heard on a podcast recently, however, about Sun VirtualBox, which is
>> completely free - not a trial, no restrictions and does the same as
>> Parallels or VMFusion, so thought it would be interesting to install
>> and take advantage of the Windows 7 RC, which is FOC and will run
>> until next year before forcing a purchase.
>>
>> Downloading and installing Virtual Machine was a doddle, but I'm
>> struggling to create an install disk for Windows - I've downloaded and
>> burned to DVD,but although it verified and passed and all the usual
>> Windows gubbins appears to be there, the Virtual Machine reports  "no
>> bootable medium found" and refuses to go any further.
>>
>> I then tried setting up a Windows partition using BootCamp, but ran in
>> to the same problem.
>>
>> So far I've burned 6 disks - 3 x Sony and 3 x A.N. Other, using both
>> toast 6 and Disk Utility on the iMac Superdrive and my LaCie external
>> burner, all to no avail.
>>
>> Can't see why, but I'm not sure if the DVD name has anything to do
>> with it , as it's gobbledegook - same as the downloaded Disk Image:
>> "GRC1CULFRER_EN_DVD", but it can't be changed, and I can't imagine the
>> format is any different.
>>
>> I then tried downloading the Windows Software on the PC, and have it
>> on the desktop, but it only has a CD burner .....
>>
>> I could transfer it to the Mac and try burning that, but maybe it
>> would be no different, so before driving myself even further round the
>> bend, I thought I would share the problem with the collective NMUG
>> wisdom
>>
>> Anyone have any ideas?  Has anyone successfully burned an install disk
>> which works?  If so, could I borrow or have a copy? (No EULA issues
>> involved)
>>
>> Isn't it terrible when something which started as no more than an Idle
>> thought goes wrong and becomes an obsession?
>>
>> Robbie
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>     
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From p.hunter at ntlworld.com  Wed May 20 13:07:58 2009
From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 13:07:58 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows 7 Install Disk
In-Reply-To: <7A7F347F-A059-494E-BDC5-E9693019F351@f2s.com>
References: <7A7F347F-A059-494E-BDC5-E9693019F351@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <AC47F160-0411-4B46-8762-7370C482E4E1@ntlworld.com>

Hi Robbie,

I have a good working boot/install disc with Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit  
on it if that's any good. It's only the 64 bit version though, but it  
boots - installs - and works perfectly well. I have it running on a  
home built PC at the moment so I know it's all ok.

If it's of any use I can either burn another copy (I still have the  
image file) or lend you the disc so that you can try it first and burn  
your own copy if you want to.

Regards

Peter


On 20 May 2009, at 12:47, Robbie Murray wrote:

> I need to have a dark side machine to hand to ensure anything I build
> on my Mac will display properly in Windows, and for that reason I have
> a PC running XP.
>
> I heard on a podcast recently, however, about Sun VirtualBox, which is
> completely free - not a trial, no restrictions and does the same as
> Parallels or VMFusion, so thought it would be interesting to install
> and take advantage of the Windows 7 RC, which is FOC and will run
> until next year before forcing a purchase.
>
> Downloading and installing Virtual Machine was a doddle, but I'm
> struggling to create an install disk for Windows - I've downloaded and
> burned to DVD,but although it verified and passed and all the usual
> Windows gubbins appears to be there, the Virtual Machine reports  "no
> bootable medium found" and refuses to go any further.
>
> I then tried setting up a Windows partition using BootCamp, but ran in
> to the same problem.
>
> So far I've burned 6 disks - 3 x Sony and 3 x A.N. Other, using both
> toast 6 and Disk Utility on the iMac Superdrive and my LaCie external
> burner, all to no avail.
>
> Can't see why, but I'm not sure if the DVD name has anything to do
> with it , as it's gobbledegook - same as the downloaded Disk Image:
> "GRC1CULFRER_EN_DVD", but it can't be changed, and I can't imagine the
> format is any different.
>
> I then tried downloading the Windows Software on the PC, and have it
> on the desktop, but it only has a CD burner .....
>
> I could transfer it to the Mac and try burning that, but maybe it
> would be no different, so before driving myself even further round the
> bend, I thought I would share the problem with the collective NMUG
> wisdom
>
> Anyone have any ideas?  Has anyone successfully burned an install disk
> which works?  If so, could I borrow or have a copy? (No EULA issues
> involved)
>
> Isn't it terrible when something which started as no more than an Idle
> thought goes wrong and becomes an obsession?
>
> Robbie
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Wed May 20 13:44:29 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 13:44:29 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows 7 Install Disk
In-Reply-To: <7A7F347F-A059-494E-BDC5-E9693019F351@f2s.com>
References: <7A7F347F-A059-494E-BDC5-E9693019F351@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <4A13FB2D.2080809@stackyard.org>

Hi Robbie,

This sounds like a VirtualBox boot device issue rather than the media 
you've burned as you've used multiple burning products and multiple 
drives.  Like Peter, I can burn you a 64-bit Windows 7 disk if you 
want.  I've never tried VB before but I'm downloading now and will try 
various scenarios.  It came long after my time at Sun.

Regards,

Ken

Robbie Murray wrote:
> I need to have a dark side machine to hand to ensure anything I build  
> on my Mac will display properly in Windows, and for that reason I have  
> a PC running XP.
>
> I heard on a podcast recently, however, about Sun VirtualBox, which is  
> completely free - not a trial, no restrictions and does the same as  
> Parallels or VMFusion, so thought it would be interesting to install  
> and take advantage of the Windows 7 RC, which is FOC and will run  
> until next year before forcing a purchase.
>
> Downloading and installing Virtual Machine was a doddle, but I'm  
> struggling to create an install disk for Windows - I've downloaded and  
> burned to DVD,but although it verified and passed and all the usual  
> Windows gubbins appears to be there, the Virtual Machine reports  "no  
> bootable medium found" and refuses to go any further.
>
> I then tried setting up a Windows partition using BootCamp, but ran in  
> to the same problem.
>
> So far I've burned 6 disks - 3 x Sony and 3 x A.N. Other, using both  
> toast 6 and Disk Utility on the iMac Superdrive and my LaCie external  
> burner, all to no avail.
>
> Can't see why, but I'm not sure if the DVD name has anything to do  
> with it , as it's gobbledegook - same as the downloaded Disk Image:   
> "GRC1CULFRER_EN_DVD", but it can't be changed, and I can't imagine the  
> format is any different.
>
> I then tried downloading the Windows Software on the PC, and have it  
> on the desktop, but it only has a CD burner .....
>
> I could transfer it to the Mac and try burning that, but maybe it  
> would be no different, so before driving myself even further round the  
> bend, I thought I would share the problem with the collective NMUG  
> wisdom
>
> Anyone have any ideas?  Has anyone successfully burned an install disk  
> which works?  If so, could I borrow or have a copy? (No EULA issues  
> involved)
>
> Isn't it terrible when something which started as no more than an Idle  
> thought goes wrong and becomes an obsession?
>
> Robbie
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From macman at f2s.com  Wed May 20 13:54:16 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 13:54:16 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows 7 Install Disk
In-Reply-To: <4A13FB2D.2080809@stackyard.org>
References: <7A7F347F-A059-494E-BDC5-E9693019F351@f2s.com>
	<4A13FB2D.2080809@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <178126B1-4FAB-4CB2-BA0D-D6D5534F0EC1@f2s.com>

Thanks Peter & Ken for the offer.

I hesitate slightly, only because as somewhere I read that I should go  
for the 32bit version only - not sure whether this was advice  
regarding Windows or VirtualBox.

To both of you - are talking about the Windows 7 Beta (which has now  
been withdrawn) or The Release Candidate?

If you're planning to have a crack at it Ken, I'm very happy to hold  
on and leave it to the experts!

Robbie


Hi Robbie,

This sounds like a VirtualBox boot device issue rather than the media
you've burned as you've used multiple burning products and multiple
drives.  Like Peter, I can burn you a 64-bit Windows 7 disk if you
want.  I've never tried VB before but I'm downloading now and will try
various scenarios.  It came long after my time at Sun.

Regards,

Ken

Hi Robbie,

I have a good working boot/install disc with Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit
on it if that's any good. It's only the 64 bit version though, but it
boots - installs - and works perfectly well. I have it running on a
home built PC at the moment so I know it's all ok.

If it's of any use I can either burn another copy (I still have the
image file) or lend you the disc so that you can try it first and burn
your own copy if you want to.

Regards

Peter




From macman at f2s.com  Wed May 20 14:08:56 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:08:56 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows 7 Install Disk
In-Reply-To: <4A13F213.7070709@davidviner.com>
References: <7A7F347F-A059-494E-BDC5-E9693019F351@f2s.com>
	<5A3FCDC9-4F6E-4902-84E9-0C06E9BAA5F5@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4A13F213.7070709@davidviner.com>
Message-ID: <236ACA4F-468E-407C-97A0-A4A16FDA6BA7@f2s.com>

In that case I'm missing something, as the.ISO is sitting on the  
desktop, but doesn't show as a disk in the Finder window.

It's all new to me - perhaps you could offer me a step by step  
procedure?

The only odd thing is that when I load the Virtual machine, I get a  
brief splash screen asking me to hit F12 to set up the BIOS, but the  
Mac F12 key performs a different function from Windows ...

I'm from Barcelona on this one!

Robbie



On 20 May 2009, at 13:05, David Viner wrote:

Yes, Simon is right - I always boot off the ISO when installing new
virtual machines in VirtualBox.

David

Simon Royal wrote:
> Robbie
>
> Doesn't VirtualBox allow you to install from an image.
>
> I know VirtualPC for older Macs does, can't remember if Fusion and
> Parallels does - pretty sure they do.
>
> Therefore you wouldn't need to burn it to DVD.
>
> Simon
>
> On 20 May 2009, at 12:47, Robbie Murray wrote:
>
>
>> I need to have a dark side machine to hand to ensure anything I build
>> on my Mac will display properly in Windows, and for that reason I  
>> have
>> a PC running XP.
>>
>> I heard on a podcast recently, however, about Sun VirtualBox, which  
>> is
>> completely free - not a trial, no restrictions and does the same as
>> Parallels or VMFusion, so thought it would be interesting to install
>> and take advantage of the Windows 7 RC, which is FOC and will run
>> until next year before forcing a purchase.
>>
>> Downloading and installing Virtual Machine was a doddle, but I'm
>> struggling to create an install disk for Windows - I've downloaded  
>> and
>> burned to DVD,but although it verified and passed and all the usual
>> Windows gubbins appears to be there, the Virtual Machine reports  "no
>> bootable medium found" and refuses to go any further.
>>
>> I then tried setting up a Windows partition using BootCamp, but ran  
>> in
>> to the same problem.
>>
>> So far I've burned 6 disks - 3 x Sony and 3 x A.N. Other, using both
>> toast 6 and Disk Utility on the iMac Superdrive and my LaCie external
>> burner, all to no avail.
>>
>> Can't see why, but I'm not sure if the DVD name has anything to do
>> with it , as it's gobbledegook - same as the downloaded Disk Image:
>> "GRC1CULFRER_EN_DVD", but it can't be changed, and I can't imagine  
>> the
>> format is any different.
>>
>> I then tried downloading the Windows Software on the PC, and have it
>> on the desktop, but it only has a CD burner .....
>>
>> I could transfer it to the Mac and try burning that, but maybe it
>> would be no different, so before driving myself even further round  
>> the
>> bend, I thought I would share the problem with the collective NMUG
>> wisdom
>>
>> Anyone have any ideas?  Has anyone successfully burned an install  
>> disk
>> which works?  If so, could I borrow or have a copy? (No EULA issues
>> involved)
>>
>> Isn't it terrible when something which started as no more than an  
>> Idle
>> thought goes wrong and becomes an obsession?
>>
>> Robbie
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
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>
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From sc at davidviner.com  Wed May 20 14:20:08 2009
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:20:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows 7 Install Disk
In-Reply-To: <236ACA4F-468E-407C-97A0-A4A16FDA6BA7@f2s.com>
References: <7A7F347F-A059-494E-BDC5-E9693019F351@f2s.com>	<5A3FCDC9-4F6E-4902-84E9-0C06E9BAA5F5@simonroyal.co.uk>	<4A13F213.7070709@davidviner.com>
	<236ACA4F-468E-407C-97A0-A4A16FDA6BA7@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <4A140388.5020902@davidviner.com>

Robbie

When you start VirtualBox view the settings for the Win 7 virtual 
machine, go down to CD/DVD ROM, tick the Mount option and then select 
ISO Image file. Click the icon next to the drop-down menu and, in hte 
new popup, add the Win7 ISO into the list and then select it. Close the 
popups down and then, when you start the virtual machine, it should boot 
off the ISO.

Hope that helps

David

Robbie Murray wrote:
> In that case I'm missing something, as the.ISO is sitting on the  
> desktop, but doesn't show as a disk in the Finder window.
>
> It's all new to me - perhaps you could offer me a step by step  
> procedure?
>
> The only odd thing is that when I load the Virtual machine, I get a  
> brief splash screen asking me to hit F12 to set up the BIOS, but the  
> Mac F12 key performs a different function from Windows ...
>
> I'm from Barcelona on this one!
>
> Robbie
>
>
>
> On 20 May 2009, at 13:05, David Viner wrote:
>
> Yes, Simon is right - I always boot off the ISO when installing new
> virtual machines in VirtualBox.
>
> David
>
> Simon Royal wrote:
>   
>> Robbie
>>
>> Doesn't VirtualBox allow you to install from an image.
>>
>> I know VirtualPC for older Macs does, can't remember if Fusion and
>> Parallels does - pretty sure they do.
>>
>> Therefore you wouldn't need to burn it to DVD.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> On 20 May 2009, at 12:47, Robbie Murray wrote:
>>
>>
>>     
>>> I need to have a dark side machine to hand to ensure anything I build
>>> on my Mac will display properly in Windows, and for that reason I  
>>> have
>>> a PC running XP.
>>>
>>> I heard on a podcast recently, however, about Sun VirtualBox, which  
>>> is
>>> completely free - not a trial, no restrictions and does the same as
>>> Parallels or VMFusion, so thought it would be interesting to install
>>> and take advantage of the Windows 7 RC, which is FOC and will run
>>> until next year before forcing a purchase.
>>>
>>> Downloading and installing Virtual Machine was a doddle, but I'm
>>> struggling to create an install disk for Windows - I've downloaded  
>>> and
>>> burned to DVD,but although it verified and passed and all the usual
>>> Windows gubbins appears to be there, the Virtual Machine reports  "no
>>> bootable medium found" and refuses to go any further.
>>>
>>> I then tried setting up a Windows partition using BootCamp, but ran  
>>> in
>>> to the same problem.
>>>
>>> So far I've burned 6 disks - 3 x Sony and 3 x A.N. Other, using both
>>> toast 6 and Disk Utility on the iMac Superdrive and my LaCie external
>>> burner, all to no avail.
>>>
>>> Can't see why, but I'm not sure if the DVD name has anything to do
>>> with it , as it's gobbledegook - same as the downloaded Disk Image:
>>> "GRC1CULFRER_EN_DVD", but it can't be changed, and I can't imagine  
>>> the
>>> format is any different.
>>>
>>> I then tried downloading the Windows Software on the PC, and have it
>>> on the desktop, but it only has a CD burner .....
>>>
>>> I could transfer it to the Mac and try burning that, but maybe it
>>> would be no different, so before driving myself even further round  
>>> the
>>> bend, I thought I would share the problem with the collective NMUG
>>> wisdom
>>>
>>> Anyone have any ideas?  Has anyone successfully burned an install  
>>> disk
>>> which works?  If so, could I borrow or have a copy? (No EULA issues
>>> involved)
>>>
>>> Isn't it terrible when something which started as no more than an  
>>> Idle
>>> thought goes wrong and becomes an obsession?
>>>
>>> Robbie
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
>>     
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
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> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
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>   


From jinshinjewels at googlemail.com  Wed May 20 14:28:08 2009
From: jinshinjewels at googlemail.com (Jules Slaughter)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:28:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] burning
In-Reply-To: <4A13E006.3090803@stackyard.org>
References: <adb0e98a0905190800n50a3dde1j8616fac35ac48f52@mail.gmail.com>
	<D5A3E9CE-D490-4855-BD66-020A91A9F146@durrant.co.uk>
	<adb0e98a0905200336k7fa85bb3qa423e54ef7cab9a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A13E006.3090803@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <adb0e98a0905200628p41e6c8ady47965e8501be414a@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Ken

Oh yes!  Its an imac, had it 3 years, got Tiger.  Don't know much else about it!

regards
Jules




On 5/20/09, Ken Hamer <ken.hamer at stackyard.org> wrote:
> Hi Jules,
>
>  You don't mention what sort of machine you have.  What model is it and
>  how long have you had it?
>
>  Regards,
>
>
>  Ken
>
>
>  Jules Slaughter wrote:
>  > Dear Paul
>  >
>  >
>  > Thanks for your advice.  I will keep going to the workshops on Mac so
>  > I can learn what all that means!  At least I know its broken!
>  >
>  > Many thanks.
>  >
>  > Jules
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > On 5/19/09, Paul Durrant <paul at durrant.co.uk> wrote:
>  >
>  >> It certain sounds like your DVD-burner (CD-burner?) is broken. It's
>  >>  just possible it might be the case electronics, or even the power
>  >>  supply, but it's most likely the mechanism.
>  >>
>  >>  New mechanisms are pretty cheap now (<?20). You just need to know
>  >>  whether your existing case take a parallel (PATA/IDE) or serial (SATA)
>  >>  drive to get a new one.
>  >>
>  >>  PATA: http://svp.co.uk/product/pioneer_dvr_116dbk_20x_dvd_writer_hw328_cloned
>  >>  SATA: http://svp.co.uk/product/pioneer_dvr_216dbk_20x_sata_cd_dvd_writer_
>  >>
>  >>  Copying to a USB flash drive is just like any other external hard
>  >>  disk. Just drag & drop in the Finder, or select in the save as dialog.
>  >>
>  >>  Paul
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>  On 19 May 2009, at 16:00, Jules Slaughter wrote:
>  >>  > Can someone tell me if my copying/back up drive (correct terminology?)
>  >>  > is broken?
>  >>  >
>  >>  > I have tried to copy photos: it makes a grinding noise, gets 'stuck'
>  >>  > on 'finishing burn' so you can't do anything else, after 20 mins + I
>  >>  > switched off.  Can't get it to play anything from disc, it goes in
>  >>  > makes a struggling noise but no icon comes up to look at anything on
>  >>  > disc.
>  >>  >
>  >>  > I presume its broken.  How do I copy to stick, as well?!
>  >>  >
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> _______________________________________________
>  >>  NMUG mailing list
>  >>  NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>  >>  http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>  >>
>  >>
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  _______________________________________________
>  NMUG mailing list
>  NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>  http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>


-- 
Jules

CalmClasses & Therapies
to improve your health.

My business works on referrals.
If you like what I do, please tell others.
If not, please tell me.


From p.hunter at ntlworld.com  Wed May 20 15:05:53 2009
From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:05:53 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows 7 Install Disk
In-Reply-To: <4A140388.5020902@davidviner.com>
References: <7A7F347F-A059-494E-BDC5-E9693019F351@f2s.com>	<5A3FCDC9-4F6E-4902-84E9-0C06E9BAA5F5@simonroyal.co.uk>	<4A13F213.7070709@davidviner.com>
	<236ACA4F-468E-407C-97A0-A4A16FDA6BA7@f2s.com>
	<4A140388.5020902@davidviner.com>
Message-ID: <0D6B1969-9F76-48FB-B080-B728DD2B38F6@ntlworld.com>

Hi Robbie,

I have just downloaded and installed the Sun VB. I then did exactly as  
David said (I just dragged the .iso image file into the box). Windows  
installed and is now running within OS X. And all for free. WOW!

Peter

On 20 May 2009, at 14:20, David Viner wrote:

> Robbie
>
> When you start VirtualBox view the settings for the Win 7 virtual
> machine, go down to CD/DVD ROM, tick the Mount option and then select
> ISO Image file. Click the icon next to the drop-down menu and, in hte
> new popup, add the Win7 ISO into the list and then select it. Close  
> the
> popups down and then, when you start the virtual machine, it should  
> boot
> off the ISO.
>
> Hope that helps
>
> David
>
> Robbie Murray wrote:
>> In that case I'm missing something, as the.ISO is sitting on the
>> desktop, but doesn't show as a disk in the Finder window.
>>
>> It's all new to me - perhaps you could offer me a step by step
>> procedure?
>>
>> The only odd thing is that when I load the Virtual machine, I get a
>> brief splash screen asking me to hit F12 to set up the BIOS, but the
>> Mac F12 key performs a different function from Windows ...
>>
>> I'm from Barcelona on this one!
>>
>> Robbie
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20 May 2009, at 13:05, David Viner wrote:
>>
>> Yes, Simon is right - I always boot off the ISO when installing new
>> virtual machines in VirtualBox.
>>
>> David
>>
>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>
>>> Robbie
>>>
>>> Doesn't VirtualBox allow you to install from an image.
>>>
>>> I know VirtualPC for older Macs does, can't remember if Fusion and
>>> Parallels does - pretty sure they do.
>>>
>>> Therefore you wouldn't need to burn it to DVD.
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>> On 20 May 2009, at 12:47, Robbie Murray wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I need to have a dark side machine to hand to ensure anything I  
>>>> build
>>>> on my Mac will display properly in Windows, and for that reason I
>>>> have
>>>> a PC running XP.
>>>>
>>>> I heard on a podcast recently, however, about Sun VirtualBox, which
>>>> is
>>>> completely free - not a trial, no restrictions and does the same as
>>>> Parallels or VMFusion, so thought it would be interesting to  
>>>> install
>>>> and take advantage of the Windows 7 RC, which is FOC and will run
>>>> until next year before forcing a purchase.
>>>>
>>>> Downloading and installing Virtual Machine was a doddle, but I'm
>>>> struggling to create an install disk for Windows - I've downloaded
>>>> and
>>>> burned to DVD,but although it verified and passed and all the usual
>>>> Windows gubbins appears to be there, the Virtual Machine reports   
>>>> "no
>>>> bootable medium found" and refuses to go any further.
>>>>
>>>> I then tried setting up a Windows partition using BootCamp, but ran
>>>> in
>>>> to the same problem.
>>>>
>>>> So far I've burned 6 disks - 3 x Sony and 3 x A.N. Other, using  
>>>> both
>>>> toast 6 and Disk Utility on the iMac Superdrive and my LaCie  
>>>> external
>>>> burner, all to no avail.
>>>>
>>>> Can't see why, but I'm not sure if the DVD name has anything to do
>>>> with it , as it's gobbledegook - same as the downloaded Disk Image:
>>>> "GRC1CULFRER_EN_DVD", but it can't be changed, and I can't imagine
>>>> the
>>>> format is any different.
>>>>
>>>> I then tried downloading the Windows Software on the PC, and have  
>>>> it
>>>> on the desktop, but it only has a CD burner .....
>>>>
>>>> I could transfer it to the Mac and try burning that, but maybe it
>>>> would be no different, so before driving myself even further round
>>>> the
>>>> bend, I thought I would share the problem with the collective NMUG
>>>> wisdom
>>>>
>>>> Anyone have any ideas?  Has anyone successfully burned an install
>>>> disk
>>>> which works?  If so, could I borrow or have a copy? (No EULA issues
>>>> involved)
>>>>
>>>> Isn't it terrible when something which started as no more than an
>>>> Idle
>>>> thought goes wrong and becomes an obsession?
>>>>
>>>> Robbie
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Simon Royal
>>> ---
>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Wed May 20 15:14:41 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:14:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows 7 Install Disk
In-Reply-To: <178126B1-4FAB-4CB2-BA0D-D6D5534F0EC1@f2s.com>
References: <7A7F347F-A059-494E-BDC5-E9693019F351@f2s.com>	<4A13FB2D.2080809@stackyard.org>
	<178126B1-4FAB-4CB2-BA0D-D6D5534F0EC1@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <4A141051.5020204@stackyard.org>

The Windows 7 disks in question are the release candidate.  I did try 
the beta but too many things didn't work so I gave up on it.  The 
release candidate is fine.  Like Vista but a lot less irritating and 
nicer to use.

Ken

Robbie Murray wrote:
> Thanks Peter & Ken for the offer.
>
> I hesitate slightly, only because as somewhere I read that I should go  
> for the 32bit version only - not sure whether this was advice  
> regarding Windows or VirtualBox.
>
> To both of you - are talking about the Windows 7 Beta (which has now  
> been withdrawn) or The Release Candidate?
>
> If you're planning to have a crack at it Ken, I'm very happy to hold  
> on and leave it to the experts!
>
> Robbie
>
>
> Hi Robbie,
>
> This sounds like a VirtualBox boot device issue rather than the media
> you've burned as you've used multiple burning products and multiple
> drives.  Like Peter, I can burn you a 64-bit Windows 7 disk if you
> want.  I've never tried VB before but I'm downloading now and will try
> various scenarios.  It came long after my time at Sun.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ken
>
> Hi Robbie,
>
> I have a good working boot/install disc with Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit
> on it if that's any good. It's only the 64 bit version though, but it
> boots - installs - and works perfectly well. I have it running on a
> home built PC at the moment so I know it's all ok.
>
> If it's of any use I can either burn another copy (I still have the
> image file) or lend you the disc so that you can try it first and burn
> your own copy if you want to.
>
> Regards
>
> Peter
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From p.hunter at ntlworld.com  Wed May 20 15:40:29 2009
From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 15:40:29 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows 7 Install Disk
In-Reply-To: <4A141051.5020204@stackyard.org>
References: <7A7F347F-A059-494E-BDC5-E9693019F351@f2s.com>	<4A13FB2D.2080809@stackyard.org>
	<178126B1-4FAB-4CB2-BA0D-D6D5534F0EC1@f2s.com>
	<4A141051.5020204@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <1568E7CF-181A-4C2B-937A-834E49876FA3@ntlworld.com>



On 20 May 2009, at 15:14, Ken Hamer wrote:

> The Windows 7 disks in question are the release candidate.  I did try
> the beta but too many things didn't work so I gave up on it.  The
> release candidate is fine.  Like Vista but a lot less irritating and
> nicer to use.
>
> Ken

> And faster.
>
> Peter

> Robbie Murray wrote:
>> Thanks Peter & Ken for the offer.
>>
>> I hesitate slightly, only because as somewhere I read that I should  
>> go
>> for the 32bit version only - not sure whether this was advice
>> regarding Windows or VirtualBox.
>>
>> To both of you - are talking about the Windows 7 Beta (which has now
>> been withdrawn) or The Release Candidate?
>>
>> If you're planning to have a crack at it Ken, I'm very happy to hold
>> on and leave it to the experts!
>>
>> Robbie
>>
>>
>> Hi Robbie,
>>
>> This sounds like a VirtualBox boot device issue rather than the media
>> you've burned as you've used multiple burning products and multiple
>> drives.  Like Peter, I can burn you a 64-bit Windows 7 disk if you
>> want.  I've never tried VB before but I'm downloading now and will  
>> try
>> various scenarios.  It came long after my time at Sun.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> Hi Robbie,
>>
>> I have a good working boot/install disc with Windows 7 Ultimate 64  
>> bit
>> on it if that's any good. It's only the 64 bit version though, but it
>> boots - installs - and works perfectly well. I have it running on a
>> home built PC at the moment so I know it's all ok.
>>
>> If it's of any use I can either burn another copy (I still have the
>> image file) or lend you the disc so that you can try it first and  
>> burn
>> your own copy if you want to.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From ernienmug at f2s.com  Wed May 20 18:43:11 2009
From: ernienmug at f2s.com (Ernie Ives)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 18:43:11 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Critical Mac OS X Java Vulnerabilities
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0905191031v1848ca48j71b76b6681994a18@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ac224bde0905191031v1848ca48j71b76b6681994a18@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86D403B9-40DA-4A7D-8F37-4945EE1CB753@f2s.com>


Ernie Ives Marquetarian and microscopist

  Apart from not being susceptible to the bug, what difference can we  
expect to find when using safari after disabling Java?. So far I've  
not noticed any difference in normal browsing.

Ernie



On 19 May 2009, at 18:31, Scott Matthews wrote:

> Hi,
>
> a serious bug has been found in the version of Java that ships with  
> OS X.
> it's recommended to disable java in your browser(s) until Apple catch
> up and release a patch.
> this has not been fixed as of 10.5.7
>
> firefox : preferences -> content tab -> untick 'Enable Java'
> safari : preferences -> security tab -> untick 'Enable Java'
>
> more details can be found here.
>
> http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/code/macosx/CVE-2008-5353.20090519.html
>
> -- 
> :wq
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed May 20 19:59:29 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 19:59:29 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Critical Mac OS X Java Vulnerabilities
In-Reply-To: <86D403B9-40DA-4A7D-8F37-4945EE1CB753@f2s.com>
References: <ac224bde0905191031v1848ca48j71b76b6681994a18@mail.gmail.com>
	<86D403B9-40DA-4A7D-8F37-4945EE1CB753@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <9BE8B2B0-A56D-4E44-AFF7-EA419305D5CB@durrant.co.uk>

Any site that uses a Java application won't work correctly. That's the  
only difference.

Paul


On 20 May 2009, at 18:43, Ernie Ives wrote:
>  Apart from not being susceptible to the bug, what difference can we
> expect to find when using safari after disabling Java?. So far I've
> not noticed any difference in normal browsing.



From rachaelandrews at ntlworld.com  Wed May 20 22:40:55 2009
From: rachaelandrews at ntlworld.com (Rachael Andrews)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 22:40:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] wireless security cameras that are mac happy ?
Message-ID: <604317A1-A97E-49E1-8B4B-59ACC36CBA3B@ntlworld.com>

Hi folks,

I am having some issues with a neighbor who is threatening me with  
veiled promises of unpleasant things that he could do to me / my  
house / my dogs. Not sure of his real intentions but as I am of severe  
visual impairment and can't see very far away, it would be good to  
have some way to view my front door, back garden, etc in case he  
chooses to carry these threats out. he has already come on to my  
property when I was out and altered part of it to suit himself putting  
my safety at risk. FWIW the police are coming over on friday to talk  
it over with me.
So some not too hugely expensive mac compatible cctv cameras would be  
useful to me. I have an imac sitting waiting to be able to run some  
sort of secuirt software. I need at least one wireless camera as to  
view the end of my garden would need it to go on my workshop which is  
out of ethernet range.

Anybody have any knowledge of such things ? I don't know where to  
start looking.

Thanks.

Rachael


From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Wed May 20 22:51:17 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 22:51:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] wireless security cameras that are mac happy ?
In-Reply-To: <604317A1-A97E-49E1-8B4B-59ACC36CBA3B@ntlworld.com>
References: <604317A1-A97E-49E1-8B4B-59ACC36CBA3B@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <A1559150-0B7A-4E38-81D4-7E93AEF86CE6@zen.co.uk>

Hi Rachael,

Security Spy might be of use. Its shareware and last time I used it  
(years ago) it was motion triggered so only records when necessary.

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/15600

5 star rating too

Funnily we have neighbour problems too! However its him who's stuck up  
a b****y obvious CCTV camera which overlooks his car and everything in  
the road including the neighbour opposite's house! This in a low  
burglary/vandalism area.

Mind you he obviously hates all of us as his bungalow is gated and  
closed off like a fortress. Because they have installed a hot tub at  
the bottom of their garden they have added a split cane fence to the  
top of the standard fence panels. Looks like the stockade in Tenko!  
Mind why anyone would want to look is another matter.

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 20 May 2009, at 22:40, Rachael Andrews wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I am having some issues with a neighbor who is threatening me with
> veiled promises of unpleasant things that he could do to me / my
> house / my dogs. Not sure of his real intentions but as I am of severe
> visual impairment and can't see very far away, it would be good to
> have some way to view my front door, back garden, etc in case he
> chooses to carry these threats out. he has already come on to my
> property when I was out and altered part of it to suit himself putting
> my safety at risk. FWIW the police are coming over on friday to talk
> it over with me.
> So some not too hugely expensive mac compatible cctv cameras would be
> useful to me. I have an imac sitting waiting to be able to run some
> sort of secuirt software. I need at least one wireless camera as to
> view the end of my garden would need it to go on my workshop which is
> out of ethernet range.
>
> Anybody have any knowledge of such things ? I don't know where to
> start looking.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Rachael
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Wed May 20 23:25:15 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 23:25:15 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Adobe CS3 Design Premium
Message-ID: <3741DE8F-8775-4C65-9C0D-BDAE14B94A6E@virgin.net>

Does anyone know if Adobe CS3 Design Premium runs on non intel macs?  
and on O/S 10.4.11

martin

www.martinfryphotography.com



From tomkershaw at mac.com  Thu May 21 00:02:05 2009
From: tomkershaw at mac.com (Tom Kershaw)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 00:02:05 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Adobe CS3 Design Premium
In-Reply-To: <3741DE8F-8775-4C65-9C0D-BDAE14B94A6E@virgin.net>
References: <3741DE8F-8775-4C65-9C0D-BDAE14B94A6E@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <4A148BED.2020309@mac.com>

Martin,

According to the Adobe website: http://www.adobe.com/products/

- the CS4 versions of their applications work on PowerPC Macintosh machines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CS3#Creative_Suite_3 - this wikipedia page 
suggests CS3 applications are universal binaries.


Tom


Martin Fry wrote:
> Does anyone know if Adobe CS3 Design Premium runs on non intel macs?  
> and on O/S 10.4.11
>
> martin
>
> www.martinfryphotography.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>   



From rob at atvetsystems.com  Thu May 21 10:25:32 2009
From: rob at atvetsystems.com (Robert Tillyard)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 10:25:32 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] wireless security cameras that are mac happy ?
In-Reply-To: <604317A1-A97E-49E1-8B4B-59ACC36CBA3B@ntlworld.com>
References: <604317A1-A97E-49E1-8B4B-59ACC36CBA3B@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <8D485D1D-7CDC-4037-80BF-AB7F675054B2@atvetsystems.com>

Hello, Rachael,

I use SecuritySpy with an AXIS 207W Wireless Network Camera - with  
built-in microphone for audio | Axis Communications camera. The  
software is about ?24 but the camera is around ?300. The camera is not  
ideal for night time use.

We also use this software for the office and several other commercial  
properties around the country. We are also looking at cameras from  
Mobotix as they're a bit cheaper for anti-vandal outside dome cameras  
with remote control pan-tilt-zoom.

I have it set-up to record at two frames per second for a constant  
record then when motion is detected it records addition segments at a  
full 24 frames per second.

I'm currently considering putting a video of someone stealing  
something from the front of our house on YouTube...

Regards, Rob.


On 20 May 2009, at 22:40, Rachael Andrews wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I am having some issues with a neighbor who is threatening me with
> veiled promises of unpleasant things that he could do to me / my
> house / my dogs. Not sure of his real intentions but as I am of severe
> visual impairment and can't see very far away, it would be good to
> have some way to view my front door, back garden, etc in case he
> chooses to carry these threats out. he has already come on to my
> property when I was out and altered part of it to suit himself putting
> my safety at risk. FWIW the police are coming over on friday to talk
> it over with me.
> So some not too hugely expensive mac compatible cctv cameras would be
> useful to me. I have an imac sitting waiting to be able to run some
> sort of secuirt software. I need at least one wireless camera as to
> view the end of my garden would need it to go on my workshop which is
> out of ethernet range.
>
> Anybody have any knowledge of such things ? I don't know where to
> start looking.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Rachael



From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Thu May 21 12:24:15 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 12:24:15 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Crappy Neighbours and Video
Message-ID: <F5E9364D-0915-42D8-90A3-0D7407F7DD1C@gmail.com>

Rachael and Steven:

In the States the hot place for cheap computer video security stuff is

http://x10.com/homepage.htm

Even if most of it seems to be PC oriented it's a good place to check  
out the offerings so you can decide on the features you'd like on a  
Mac based system. It's one of the most garish and pushy sites in the  
world, too, so have a good laugh.




From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Thu May 21 13:55:30 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 13:55:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Windows 7 Install Disk
In-Reply-To: <178126B1-4FAB-4CB2-BA0D-D6D5534F0EC1@f2s.com>
References: <7A7F347F-A059-494E-BDC5-E9693019F351@f2s.com>	<4A13FB2D.2080809@stackyard.org>
	<178126B1-4FAB-4CB2-BA0D-D6D5534F0EC1@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <4A154F42.1090805@stackyard.org>

Robbie,

I'm not having much more success than you did.  I tried loading the iso 
image and got the message:

    File:  \windows\system32\boot\winload.exe

    Status: 0xc000035a

    Info: Attempting to load a 64-bit application, however this CPU is 
not compatible with 64-bit mode.

Well, yes, it is a 64-bit image but I had the impression that the 
machine was as well.  I then tried to boot from a manufactured 32-bit 
Vista OEM disk and got the same message you got about the media not 
being bootable, i.e.:

FATAL: No bootable medium found! System halted.

Now, this could just be a problem with the optical drive in my mini 
which is failing AGAIN (second time since I have had the machine - 
Grrrrr....).  I had a Ubuntu install iso image hanging around so I 
pointed VB at that and it all burst into life.

So more experimentation is called for and probably a replacement optical 
drive as well.

Regards,

Ken

Robbie Murray wrote:
> Thanks Peter & Ken for the offer.
>
> I hesitate slightly, only because as somewhere I read that I should go  
> for the 32bit version only - not sure whether this was advice  
> regarding Windows or VirtualBox.
>
> To both of you - are talking about the Windows 7 Beta (which has now  
> been withdrawn) or The Release Candidate?
>
> If you're planning to have a crack at it Ken, I'm very happy to hold  
> on and leave it to the experts!
>
> Robbie
>
>
> Hi Robbie,
>
> This sounds like a VirtualBox boot device issue rather than the media
> you've burned as you've used multiple burning products and multiple
> drives.  Like Peter, I can burn you a 64-bit Windows 7 disk if you
> want.  I've never tried VB before but I'm downloading now and will try
> various scenarios.  It came long after my time at Sun.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ken
>
> Hi Robbie,
>
> I have a good working boot/install disc with Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit
> on it if that's any good. It's only the 64 bit version though, but it
> boots - installs - and works perfectly well. I have it running on a
> home built PC at the moment so I know it's all ok.
>
> If it's of any use I can either burn another copy (I still have the
> image file) or lend you the disc so that you can try it first and burn
> your own copy if you want to.
>
> Regards
>
> Peter
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu May 21 14:17:05 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 14:17:05 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Printer Wanted
Message-ID: <S6nKfD2td65T.dYQKLN2s@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi. Does anyone have a printer going spare. I dont need anything special, just something that will print PayPal labels.

I have been using an Epson Photo Stylus 1200 and it is finally starting to pack up.

A black and white inkjet would be fine. Does need to be Mac and Windows compatible.

I am in Norwich over the weekend so could collect then.

Thanks. Simon

 --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk (sent using a Nokia N82)



From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Thu May 21 17:52:52 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 17:52:52 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] CS3
Message-ID: <9B9D9488-F7D3-4334-AC9D-0BCCD022F732@virgin.net>

Is there anyone safely running Photoshop CS3 on O/S 10.4.11  ?

martin

www.martinfryphotography.com



From Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net  Thu May 21 18:03:16 2009
From: Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net (Jeremy Webb)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 18:03:16 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] CS3
In-Reply-To: <9B9D9488-F7D3-4334-AC9D-0BCCD022F732@virgin.net>
References: <9B9D9488-F7D3-4334-AC9D-0BCCD022F732@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <20ABEC30-9961-44C9-970E-15603DD15D73@virgin.net>

Sorry Martin,

Same O/S but still using CS2

Jeremy Webb
Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net



On 21 May 2009, at 17:52, Martin Fry wrote:

> Is there anyone safely running Photoshop CS3 on O/S 10.4.11  ?
>
> martin
>
> www.martinfryphotography.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Thu May 21 19:18:17 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 19:18:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] CS3
In-Reply-To: <9B9D9488-F7D3-4334-AC9D-0BCCD022F732@virgin.net>
References: <9B9D9488-F7D3-4334-AC9D-0BCCD022F732@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <E0386259-7BCF-4F76-A0A0-EBA7CF84BDBF@durrant.co.uk>

CS3, but on Mac OS X 10.5.7

Adobe say that the minimum is Mac OS X 10.4.9, so you should be fine  
with 10.4.11
http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/402/kb402429.html

Paul

On 21 May 2009, at 17:52, Martin Fry wrote:

> Is there anyone safely running Photoshop CS3 on O/S 10.4.11  ?



From ian at igdesign.co.uk  Thu May 21 19:26:13 2009
From: ian at igdesign.co.uk (Ian Garrett)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 19:26:13 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] CS3
In-Reply-To: <9B9D9488-F7D3-4334-AC9D-0BCCD022F732@virgin.net>
References: <9B9D9488-F7D3-4334-AC9D-0BCCD022F732@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <624CE7CB-8ADE-4623-AF97-C4B2FD593F51@igdesign.co.uk>

I ran CS3 on OS 10.4.everything up to and including 11 with no  
problems. What do you mean by "safely"?

Regards,
Ian


On 21 May , at Thu 21 May 2009, 05:52:52, Martin Fry wrote:

> Is there anyone safely running Photoshop CS3 on O/S 10.4.11  ?
>
> martin
>
> www.martinfryphotography.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Thu May 21 19:51:00 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 19:51:00 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] CS3
In-Reply-To: <624CE7CB-8ADE-4623-AF97-C4B2FD593F51@igdesign.co.uk>
References: <9B9D9488-F7D3-4334-AC9D-0BCCD022F732@virgin.net>
	<624CE7CB-8ADE-4623-AF97-C4B2FD593F51@igdesign.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3E5E3A33-CA52-4E92-BDED-9313AFCEDF26@virgin.net>


Thanks to all who replied re;  CS3.


> What do you mean by "safely"?

I am a great believer in safety.  I don't want to FREEZE! or be  
involved in any sort of CRASH!

OK!

Martin

www.martinfryphotography.com



From lizbarnard at btinternet.com  Thu May 21 20:00:51 2009
From: lizbarnard at btinternet.com (Liz)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 20:00:51 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Black screen
Message-ID: <C63B6373.67C6%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>

I dropped my PowerBook G4 17? today on my way out of the office.  It was in
its bag and turned off but now the screen won?t light up.  It makes all the
right noises but won?t illuminate.  Is it irretrievably broken or can
I/someone else fix it?

Ironically I had my little 12? with me too (this is why the bag slipped off
my shoulder ? too darn heavy!).  It was switched on but survived the fall
unscathed.  It?s what I am sending this email on!

Is there anything I can try myself before taking it to the menders?

Liz


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Thu May 21 20:06:16 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 20:06:16 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Black screen
In-Reply-To: <C63B6373.67C6%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>
References: <C63B6373.67C6%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <DA2BF321-422A-4D44-85C1-6E997CEC5BA6@durrant.co.uk>

You could plug in an external monitor, which will let you check that  
everything else is OK. And don't forget to back-up your data before  
taking it in.

I would look at the screen with a bright light. Is it dark and not  
working, or is it just without a backlight, but showing an image very,  
very dimly?

If there's no image at all, it might be as simple as a loose  
connector. If there's just no backlight, it might nee a new backlight.

Paul

On 21 May 2009, at 20:00, Liz wrote:

> I dropped my PowerBook G4 17? today on my way out of the office.  It  
> was in
> its bag and turned off but now the screen won?t light up.  It makes  
> all the
> right noises but won?t illuminate.  Is it irretrievably broken or can
> I/someone else fix it?
>
> Ironically I had my little 12? with me too (this is why the bag  
> slipped off
> my shoulder ? too darn heavy!).  It was switched on but survived the  
> fall
> unscathed.  It?s what I am sending this email on!
>
> Is there anything I can try myself before taking it to the menders?



From footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk  Thu May 21 20:34:04 2009
From: footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk (joe butler)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 19:34:04 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NMUG] Black screen
Message-ID: <162038.47274.qm@web26701.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi LizHappy to have a look at it for you?
Joe07833774480

Cheap and Free mobile phones  http://www.nimrod.2u.co.uk  ?  Iphone and Ipod Insurance   http://nimrod.2u.co.uk/insurance  ?  Get your own FREE mobile phones sales website  http://nimrod.2uaffiliates.com/join/  ?  ?  ?  ?

--- On Thu, 21/5/09, Paul Durrant <paul at durrant.co.uk> wrote:

From: Paul Durrant <paul at durrant.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [NMUG] Black screen
To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Date: Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 8:06 PM

You could plug in an external monitor, which will let you check that? 
everything else is OK. And don't forget to back-up your data before? 
taking it in.

I would look at the screen with a bright light. Is it dark and not? 
working, or is it just without a backlight, but showing an image very,? 
very dimly?

If there's no image at all, it might be as simple as a loose? 
connector. If there's just no backlight, it might nee a new backlight.

Paul

On 21 May 2009, at 20:00, Liz wrote:

> I dropped my PowerBook G4 17? today on my way out of the office.? It? 
> was in
> its bag and turned off but now the screen won?t light up.? It makes? 
> all the
> right noises but won?t illuminate.? Is it irretrievably broken or can
> I/someone else fix it?
>
> Ironically I had my little 12? with me too (this is why the bag? 
> slipped off
> my shoulder ? too darn heavy!).? It was switched on but survived the? 
> fall
> unscathed.? It?s what I am sending this email on!
>
> Is there anything I can try myself before taking it to the menders?

_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
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http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



      

From michelehurst at mac.com  Thu May 21 20:58:59 2009
From: michelehurst at mac.com (Michele Hurst)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 20:58:59 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 17 inch power book g4 for sale
Message-ID: <54460451-B80F-40D7-B670-864B0C71EE01@mac.com>

Hi
Am going to sell the above, leopard, 1.5 gig ram. Have looked on ebay  
and they are making ?400-500. Totally immaculate condition and I think  
I still have the box as well!!
Let me know if anyone interested before I list on ebay.  Also isight  
camera in perfect condition.
Am "upgrading" to a macbook.
Hope I am not making a mistake!
Michele

Michele Hurst
michelehurst at mac.com





From h.tamplin at btinternet.com  Thu May 21 21:14:44 2009
From: h.tamplin at btinternet.com (Heather Tamplin)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 21:14:44 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] cs3
Message-ID: <D1E94D96-4218-4C23-9C22-AA55A95EC642@btinternet.com>

yes Martin happily  using CS3 on 10.4.11 for at least 18 months
Illustrator was flaky today crashed twice - so I repaired permissions  
-  rebooted -  lovely again

Heather

www.heathertamplin.co.uk

"Art is the only way to run away without leaving home."
Twyla Tharp






From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Thu May 21 21:39:36 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 21:39:36 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 17 inch power book g4 for sale
In-Reply-To: <54460451-B80F-40D7-B670-864B0C71EE01@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C63B7A98.2A564%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

Hi Michele
What are you hoping the MacBook will offer that the Powerbook doesnt?
My daughter's new MacBook is a bit nippier than my G4 Powerbook 1.66 but not
enough that I would want to swap.

My new iMac is a bit nippier than my G4 DP 1.25 and I upgraded for a quieter
less bulky more home friendly lovely Big Screen Mac. But if it were onlyt re
performance I don't think the difference is worth the difference.

It might be that you just want the built in iSight?

all the best
Brian
(I might not be able to reply for a few days)


Michele Hurst said recently:

> Hi
> Am going to sell the above, leopard, 1.5 gig ram. Have looked on ebay
> and they are making ?400-500. Totally immaculate condition and I think
> I still have the box as well!!
> Let me know if anyone interested before I list on ebay.  Also isight
> camera in perfect condition.
> Am "upgrading" to a macbook.
> Hope I am not making a mistake!
> Michele
> 
> Michele Hurst
> michelehurst at mac.com
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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From lizbarnard at btinternet.com  Thu May 21 21:59:50 2009
From: lizbarnard at btinternet.com (Liz)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 21:59:50 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Black screen
Message-ID: <C63B7F56.67D0%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>

Thanks for the offer to look at it Joe.  I might contact you off line.

Paul, I did what you recommended and with a torch I can see images dimly, so
maybe it?s a new backlight I need.

Thanks

Liz


From realemmons at yahoo.co.uk  Thu May 21 22:12:29 2009
From: realemmons at yahoo.co.uk (Esther Lemmens)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 21:12:29 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NMUG] 17 inch power book g4 for sale
Message-ID: <502208.97071.qm@web24005.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Hi Michelle, and all,

I'm looking to buy a mac laptop and was thinking of getting a Macbook Pro, but of course they're a bit on the pricy side... and I'm a student so not exactly loaded :)

I can get educational discount, which is great, but they're still expensive. Reason for intended purchase is that my iMac at home is getting really slow now and can't keep up with me... I use graphic software and often a lot of it is open at one time (between 6 and 9 applications). 

I'm just starting to wonder whether it is a memory issue? Current iMac has 512 MB 666 MHz RAM (seems like nothing these days!). Does anyone know how much it would cost to add memory to my iMac? And where I could get it done? Another option is to buy a used machine such as Michelle's, which has more memory ? would this sort my speed problems out? Or I could even add memory to this...

Any suggestions/information greatly appreciated. Michelle, please let me know if you are going to sell, I'm definitely interested.

Cheers :)


--- On Thu, 21/5/09, Michele Hurst <michelehurst at mac.com> wrote:

From: Michele Hurst <michelehurst at mac.com>
Subject: [NMUG] 17 inch power book g4 for sale
To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
Date: Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 8:58 PM

Hi
Am going to sell the above, leopard, 1.5 gig ram. Have looked on ebay? 
and they are making ?400-500. Totally immaculate condition and I think? 
I still have the box as well!!
Let me know if anyone interested before I list on ebay.? Also isight? 
camera in perfect condition.
Am "upgrading" to a macbook.
Hope I am not making a mistake!
Michele

Michele Hurst
michelehurst at mac.com



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From macman at f2s.com  Thu May 21 22:24:22 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 22:24:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 17 inch power book g4 for sale
In-Reply-To: <502208.97071.qm@web24005.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
References: <502208.97071.qm@web24005.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9AE2F72A-9740-4B70-9613-D243569EFD13@f2s.com>

Which iMac?

Unless things have changed dramatically, Intel memory is little more  
than ?20.00 for 2Gb, but PPC is probably more.

Have a look on Crucial ....

http://tinyurl.com/quqg6g

It's a doddle to upgrade in most iMacs.

Robbie




On 21 May 2009, at 22:12, Esther Lemmens wrote:

Hi Michelle, and all,

I'm looking to buy a mac laptop and was thinking of getting a Macbook  
Pro, but of course they're a bit on the pricy side... and I'm a  
student so not exactly loaded :)

I can get educational discount, which is great, but they're still  
expensive. Reason for intended purchase is that my iMac at home is  
getting really slow now and can't keep up with me... I use graphic  
software and often a lot of it is open at one time (between 6 and 9  
applications).

I'm just starting to wonder whether it is a memory issue? Current iMac  
has 512 MB 666 MHz RAM (seems like nothing these days!). Does anyone  
know how much it would cost to add memory to my iMac? And where I  
could get it done? Another option is to buy a used machine such as  
Michelle's, which has more memory ? would this sort my speed problems  
out? Or I could even add memory to this...

Any suggestions/information greatly appreciated. Michelle, please let  
me know if you are going to sell, I'm definitely interested.

Cheers :)


--- On Thu, 21/5/09, Michele Hurst <michelehurst at mac.com> wrote:

From: Michele Hurst <michelehurst at mac.com>
Subject: [NMUG] 17 inch power book g4 for sale
To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
Date: Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 8:58 PM

Hi
Am going to sell the above, leopard, 1.5 gig ram. Have looked on ebay
and they are making ?400-500. Totally immaculate condition and I think
I still have the box as well!!
Let me know if anyone interested before I list on ebay.  Also isight
camera in perfect condition.
Am "upgrading" to a macbook.
Hope I am not making a mistake!
Michele

Michele Hurst
michelehurst at mac.com



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From realemmons at yahoo.co.uk  Thu May 21 22:52:46 2009
From: realemmons at yahoo.co.uk (Esther Lemmens)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 21:52:46 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NMUG] 17 inch power book g4 for sale
Message-ID: <999298.85876.qm@web24002.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Good question ? spec as follows:

? Model Name:??? iMac
? Model Identifier:??? iMac4,1
? Processor Name:??? Intel Core Duo
? Processor Speed:??? 1.83 GHz
? Number Of Processors:??? 1
? Total Number Of Cores:??? 2
? L2 Cache (per processor):??? 2 MB
? Memory:??? 512 MB
? Bus Speed:??? 667 MHz

It was one of the first ones with an Intel processor in it, as I remember. Will check out that site! Thanks :)


--- On Thu, 21/5/09, Robbie Murray <macman at f2s.com> wrote:

From: Robbie Murray <macman at f2s.com>
Subject: Re: [NMUG] 17 inch power book g4 for sale
To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Date: Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 10:24 PM

Which iMac?

Unless things have changed dramatically, Intel memory is little more? 
than ?20.00 for 2Gb, but PPC is probably more.

Have a look on Crucial ....

http://tinyurl.com/quqg6g

It's a doddle to upgrade in most iMacs.

Robbie




On 21 May 2009, at 22:12, Esther Lemmens wrote:

Hi Michelle, and all,

I'm looking to buy a mac laptop and was thinking of getting a Macbook? 
Pro, but of course they're a bit on the pricy side... and I'm a? 
student so not exactly loaded :)

I can get educational discount, which is great, but they're still? 
expensive. Reason for intended purchase is that my iMac at home is? 
getting really slow now and can't keep up with me... I use graphic? 
software and often a lot of it is open at one time (between 6 and 9? 
applications).

I'm just starting to wonder whether it is a memory issue? Current iMac? 
has 512 MB 666 MHz RAM (seems like nothing these days!). Does anyone? 
know how much it would cost to add memory to my iMac? And where I? 
could get it done? Another option is to buy a used machine such as? 
Michelle's, which has more memory ? would this sort my speed problems? 
out? Or I could even add memory to this...

Any suggestions/information greatly appreciated. Michelle, please let? 
me know if you are going to sell, I'm definitely interested.

Cheers :)


--- On Thu, 21/5/09, Michele Hurst <michelehurst at mac.com> wrote:

From: Michele Hurst <michelehurst at mac.com>
Subject: [NMUG] 17 inch power book g4 for sale
To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
Date: Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 8:58 PM

Hi
Am going to sell the above, leopard, 1.5 gig ram. Have looked on ebay
and they are making ?400-500. Totally immaculate condition and I think
I still have the box as well!!
Let me know if anyone interested before I list on ebay.? Also isight
camera in perfect condition.
Am "upgrading" to a macbook.
Hope I am not making a mistake!
Michele

Michele Hurst
michelehurst at mac.com



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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu May 21 23:36:36 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 23:36:36 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 17 inch power book g4 for sale
In-Reply-To: <999298.85876.qm@web24002.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
References: <999298.85876.qm@web24002.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5C41F6BB-0892-4734-8AD0-E9DAFA16753D@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

You can pick up genuine Apple sticks on FleaBay very cheaply.

A generous NMUGer - cheers Scott - even gave me a 1GB stick.

Simon

On 21 May 2009, at 22:52, Esther Lemmens wrote:

> Good question ? spec as follows:
>
>   Model Name:    iMac
>   Model Identifier:    iMac4,1
>   Processor Name:    Intel Core Duo
>   Processor Speed:    1.83 GHz
>   Number Of Processors:    1
>   Total Number Of Cores:    2
>   L2 Cache (per processor):    2 MB
>   Memory:    512 MB
>   Bus Speed:    667 MHz
>
> It was one of the first ones with an Intel processor in it, as I  
> remember. Will check out that site! Thanks :)
>
>
> --- On Thu, 21/5/09, Robbie Murray <macman at f2s.com> wrote:
>
> From: Robbie Murray <macman at f2s.com>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] 17 inch power book g4 for sale
> To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Date: Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 10:24 PM
>
> Which iMac?
>
> Unless things have changed dramatically, Intel memory is little more
> than ?20.00 for 2Gb, but PPC is probably more.
>
> Have a look on Crucial ....
>
> http://tinyurl.com/quqg6g
>
> It's a doddle to upgrade in most iMacs.
>
> Robbie
>
>
>
>
> On 21 May 2009, at 22:12, Esther Lemmens wrote:
>
> Hi Michelle, and all,
>
> I'm looking to buy a mac laptop and was thinking of getting a Macbook
> Pro, but of course they're a bit on the pricy side... and I'm a
> student so not exactly loaded :)
>
> I can get educational discount, which is great, but they're still
> expensive. Reason for intended purchase is that my iMac at home is
> getting really slow now and can't keep up with me... I use graphic
> software and often a lot of it is open at one time (between 6 and 9
> applications).
>
> I'm just starting to wonder whether it is a memory issue? Current iMac
> has 512 MB 666 MHz RAM (seems like nothing these days!). Does anyone
> know how much it would cost to add memory to my iMac? And where I
> could get it done? Another option is to buy a used machine such as
> Michelle's, which has more memory ? would this sort my speed problems
> out? Or I could even add memory to this...
>
> Any suggestions/information greatly appreciated. Michelle, please let
> me know if you are going to sell, I'm definitely interested.
>
> Cheers :)
>
>
> --- On Thu, 21/5/09, Michele Hurst <michelehurst at mac.com> wrote:
>
> From: Michele Hurst <michelehurst at mac.com>
> Subject: [NMUG] 17 inch power book g4 for sale
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> Date: Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 8:58 PM
>
> Hi
> Am going to sell the above, leopard, 1.5 gig ram. Have looked on ebay
> and they are making ?400-500. Totally immaculate condition and I think
> I still have the box as well!!
> Let me know if anyone interested before I list on ebay.  Also isight
> camera in perfect condition.
> Am "upgrading" to a macbook.
> Hope I am not making a mistake!
> Michele
>
> Michele Hurst
> michelehurst at mac.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
>
>
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From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Fri May 22 00:15:11 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 00:15:11 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 17 inch power book g4 for sale
In-Reply-To: <5C41F6BB-0892-4734-8AD0-E9DAFA16753D@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <999298.85876.qm@web24002.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
	<5C41F6BB-0892-4734-8AD0-E9DAFA16753D@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A15E07F.5000906@stackyard.org>

Watch out for used RAM!  If it wasn't handled properly in its travels, 
it could have been exposed to static discharge and could be heading for 
failure.  Static can damage chips without killing them outright.  It can 
punch a hole in the substrate between two conductors and over time.. 
days, weeks, months or years, the two conductors can actually grow 
toward each other through the hole if they are at different potentials 
and when they touch, whatever signal was being carried will be shorted.  
At that point, the machine with said chip inside will probably fall over.

Of course, RAM being cheap means that it can be replaced again if it 
fails but that failure might occur at a very embarrassing/inconvenient 
moment and the data it was holding could be corrupted so possible loss 
of vital stuff could occur.

Ken

Simon Royal wrote:
> Hi
>
> You can pick up genuine Apple sticks on FleaBay very cheaply.
>
> A generous NMUGer - cheers Scott - even gave me a 1GB stick.
>
> Simon
>
> On 21 May 2009, at 22:52, Esther Lemmens wrote:
>
>   
>> Good question ? spec as follows:
>>
>>   Model Name:    iMac
>>   Model Identifier:    iMac4,1
>>   Processor Name:    Intel Core Duo
>>   Processor Speed:    1.83 GHz
>>   Number Of Processors:    1
>>   Total Number Of Cores:    2
>>   L2 Cache (per processor):    2 MB
>>   Memory:    512 MB
>>   Bus Speed:    667 MHz
>>
>> It was one of the first ones with an Intel processor in it, as I  
>> remember. Will check out that site! Thanks :)
>>
>>
>> --- On Thu, 21/5/09, Robbie Murray <macman at f2s.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Robbie Murray <macman at f2s.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] 17 inch power book g4 for sale
>> To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>> Date: Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 10:24 PM
>>
>> Which iMac?
>>
>> Unless things have changed dramatically, Intel memory is little more
>> than ?20.00 for 2Gb, but PPC is probably more.
>>
>> Have a look on Crucial ....
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/quqg6g
>>
>> It's a doddle to upgrade in most iMacs.
>>
>> Robbie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 21 May 2009, at 22:12, Esther Lemmens wrote:
>>
>> Hi Michelle, and all,
>>
>> I'm looking to buy a mac laptop and was thinking of getting a Macbook
>> Pro, but of course they're a bit on the pricy side... and I'm a
>> student so not exactly loaded :)
>>
>> I can get educational discount, which is great, but they're still
>> expensive. Reason for intended purchase is that my iMac at home is
>> getting really slow now and can't keep up with me... I use graphic
>> software and often a lot of it is open at one time (between 6 and 9
>> applications).
>>
>> I'm just starting to wonder whether it is a memory issue? Current iMac
>> has 512 MB 666 MHz RAM (seems like nothing these days!). Does anyone
>> know how much it would cost to add memory to my iMac? And where I
>> could get it done? Another option is to buy a used machine such as
>> Michelle's, which has more memory ? would this sort my speed problems
>> out? Or I could even add memory to this...
>>
>> Any suggestions/information greatly appreciated. Michelle, please let
>> me know if you are going to sell, I'm definitely interested.
>>
>> Cheers :)
>>
>>
>> --- On Thu, 21/5/09, Michele Hurst <michelehurst at mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Michele Hurst <michelehurst at mac.com>
>> Subject: [NMUG] 17 inch power book g4 for sale
>> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
>> Date: Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 8:58 PM
>>
>> Hi
>> Am going to sell the above, leopard, 1.5 gig ram. Have looked on ebay
>> and they are making ?400-500. Totally immaculate condition and I think
>> I still have the box as well!!
>> Let me know if anyone interested before I list on ebay.  Also isight
>> camera in perfect condition.
>> Am "upgrading" to a macbook.
>> Hope I am not making a mistake!
>> Michele
>>
>> Michele Hurst
>> michelehurst at mac.com
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
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>>     
>
> Simon Royal
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> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri May 22 00:43:09 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 00:43:09 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Offered: eMac Back Casing
Message-ID: <CrtJsBdw8MVm.Z3YGwjBM@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi. Before I throw this out, does anyone want a back casing for an eMac. The large dome shaped part.

Its in good condition, has a few marks which will probably come off with a wipe over.

I hate throwing anything Mac out, but it is cluttering up my already cluttered house.

Free for collection from Watton. I do come to Norwich at times so could drop off.

Simon

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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri May 22 01:26:24 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 01:26:24 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 17 inch power book g4 for sale
Message-ID: <zKbFWKCkJ5zK.smvqVNDs@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Ken

I have bought pretty much all my ram via ebay or mail order.

Never had a problem with any sticks. I have a box of old ram which i give to people or use when i pick up old machines.

Only once had a dodgy ram stick and that was in a cube which was dodgy in the first place.

Simon

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-original message-
Subject: Re: [NMUG] 17 inch power book g4 for sale
From: Ken Hamer <ken.hamer at stackyard.org>
Date: 22/05/2009 00:15

Watch out for used RAM!  If it wasn't handled properly in its travels, 
it could have been exposed to static discharge and could be heading for 
failure.  Static can damage chips without killing them outright.  It can 
punch a hole in the substrate between two conductors and over time.. 
days, weeks, months or years, the two conductors can actually grow 
toward each other through the hole if they are at different potentials 
and when they touch, whatever signal was being carried will be shorted.  
At that point, the machine with said chip inside will probably fall over.

Of course, RAM being cheap means that it can be replaced again if it 
fails but that failure might occur at a very embarrassing/inconvenient 
moment and the data it was holding could be corrupted so possible loss 
of vital stuff could occur.

Ken

Simon Royal wrote:
> Hi
>
> You can pick up genuine Apple sticks on FleaBay very cheaply.
>
> A generous NMUGer - cheers Scott - even gave me a 1GB stick.
>
> Simon
>
> On 21 May 2009, at 22:52, Esther Lemmens wrote:
>
>   
>> Good question ? spec as follows:
>>
>>   Model Name:    iMac
>>   Model Identifier:    iMac4,1
>>   Processor Name:    Intel Core Duo
>>   Processor Speed:    1.83 GHz
>>   Number Of Processors:    1
>>   Total Number Of Cores:    2
>>   L2 Cache (per processor):    2 MB
>>   Memory:    512 MB
>>   Bus Speed:    667 MHz
>>
>> It was one of the first ones with an Intel processor in it, as I  
>> remember. Will check out that site! Thanks :)
>>
>>
>> --- On Thu, 21/5/09, Robbie Murray <macman at f2s.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Robbie Murray <macman at f2s.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] 17 inch power book g4 for sale
>> To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>> Date: Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 10:24 PM
>>
>> Which iMac?
>>
>> Unless things have changed dramatically, Intel memory is little more
>> than ?20.00 for 2Gb, but PPC is probably more.
>>
>> Have a look on Crucial ....
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/quqg6g
>>
>> It's a doddle to upgrade in most iMacs.
>>
>> Robbie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 21 May 2009, at 22:12, Esther Lemmens wrote:
>>
>> Hi Michelle, and all,
>>
>> I'm looking to buy a mac laptop and was thinking of getting a Macbook
>> Pro, but of course they're a bit on the pricy side... and I'm a
>> student so not exactly loaded :)
>>
>> I can get educational discount, which is great, but they're still
>> expensive. Reason for intended purchase is that my iMac at home is
>> getting really slow now and can't keep up with me... I use graphic
>> software and often a lot of it is open at one time (between 6 and 9
>> applications).
>>
>> I'm just starting to wonder whether it is a memory issue? Current iMac
>> has 512 MB 666 MHz RAM (seems like nothing these days!). Does anyone
>> know how much it would cost to add memory to my iMac? And where I
>> could get it done? Another option is to buy a used machine such as
>> Michelle's, which has more memory ? would this sort my speed problems
>> out? Or I could even add memory to this...
>>
>> Any suggestions/information greatly appreciated. Michelle, please let
>> me know if you are going to sell, I'm definitely interested.
>>
>> Cheers :)
>>
>>
>> --- On Thu, 21/5/09, Michele Hurst <michelehurst at mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Michele Hurst <michelehurst at mac.com>
>> Subject: [NMUG] 17 inch power book g4 for sale
>> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
>> Date: Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 8:58 PM
>>
>> Hi
>> Am going to sell the above, leopard, 1.5 gig ram. Have looked on ebay
>> and they are making ?400-500. Totally immaculate condition and I think
>> I still have the box as well!!
>> Let me know if anyone interested before I list on ebay.  Also isight
>> camera in perfect condition.
>> Am "upgrading" to a macbook.
>> Hope I am not making a mistake!
>> Michele
>>
>> Michele Hurst
>> michelehurst at mac.com
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
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>
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From footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk  Fri May 22 06:55:15 2009
From: footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk (joe butler)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 05:55:15 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NMUG] Black screen
Message-ID: <936293.79474.qm@web26705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

HiIts a good news bad news email!
The good news is I can get a backlight, the bad news is I will have to order one and it will take around a week to get here.
If there is data you need on it I can transfer it onto your 12" powerbook.
regards
Joe
Cheap and Free mobile phones  http://www.nimrod.2u.co.uk  ?  Iphone and Ipod Insurance   http://nimrod.2u.co.uk/insurance  ?  Get your own FREE mobile phones sales website  http://nimrod.2uaffiliates.com/join/  ?  ?  ?  ?

--- On Thu, 21/5/09, Liz <lizbarnard at btinternet.com> wrote:

From: Liz <lizbarnard at btinternet.com>
Subject: [NMUG] Black screen
To: "nmug at durrant.co.uk" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Date: Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 9:59 PM

Thanks for the offer to look at it Joe.? I might contact you off line.

Paul, I did what you recommended and with a torch I can see images dimly, so
maybe it?s a new backlight I need.

Thanks

Liz
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From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Fri May 22 08:58:18 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 08:58:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 17 inch power book g4 for sale
In-Reply-To: <zKbFWKCkJ5zK.smvqVNDs@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <zKbFWKCkJ5zK.smvqVNDs@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A165B1A.8000703@stackyard.org>

Simon,

I see quite a few dead sticks in my travels but then again I would, 
wouldn't I.  Actually, the dead ones I tend to see are the ones that 
came with the machines in question (a bit like the RAM in your cube).  
They probably either had manufacturing faults or improper handling at 
the machine's factory.

I'm glad you have never had a problem and considering the cost of the 
items and the fact that we're not talking about machines that affect 
health or safety, it's probably not a big deal at all.  But static 
damage is not just an urban legend - it really does happen.  I've seen 
the electron micrographs and the dead machines.  A good (but extremely 
ill-advised) way of demonstrating the phenomenon is to clean out the 
inside of a machine with a vacuum cleaner equipped with a plastic 
nozzle.  The air rushing through the nozzle acts like a Van der Graf 
generator and charges the nozzle up to thousands of volts.  I've seen 
machines which worked before cleaning and were totally dead afterwards 
(I hasten to add that the cleaning in question was not done by me!).  
And the nozzle doesn't even have to touch any of the components.

Ken

Simon Royal wrote:
> Ken
>
> I have bought pretty much all my ram via ebay or mail order.
>
> Never had a problem with any sticks. I have a box of old ram which i give to people or use when i pick up old machines.
>
> Only once had a dodgy ram stick and that was in a cube which was dodgy in the first place.
>
> Simon
>
> --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk (sent using a Nokia N82)
>
> -original message-
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] 17 inch power book g4 for sale
> From: Ken Hamer <ken.hamer at stackyard.org>
> Date: 22/05/2009 00:15
>
> Watch out for used RAM!  If it wasn't handled properly in its travels, 
> it could have been exposed to static discharge and could be heading for 
> failure.  Static can damage chips without killing them outright.  It can 
> punch a hole in the substrate between two conductors and over time.. 
> days, weeks, months or years, the two conductors can actually grow 
> toward each other through the hole if they are at different potentials 
> and when they touch, whatever signal was being carried will be shorted.  
> At that point, the machine with said chip inside will probably fall over.
>
> Of course, RAM being cheap means that it can be replaced again if it 
> fails but that failure might occur at a very embarrassing/inconvenient 
> moment and the data it was holding could be corrupted so possible loss 
> of vital stuff could occur.
>
> Ken
>
> Simon Royal wrote:
>   
>> Hi
>>
>> You can pick up genuine Apple sticks on FleaBay very cheaply.
>>
>> A generous NMUGer - cheers Scott - even gave me a 1GB stick.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> On 21 May 2009, at 22:52, Esther Lemmens wrote:
>>
>>   
>>     
>>> Good question ? spec as follows:
>>>
>>>   Model Name:    iMac
>>>   Model Identifier:    iMac4,1
>>>   Processor Name:    Intel Core Duo
>>>   Processor Speed:    1.83 GHz
>>>   Number Of Processors:    1
>>>   Total Number Of Cores:    2
>>>   L2 Cache (per processor):    2 MB
>>>   Memory:    512 MB
>>>   Bus Speed:    667 MHz
>>>
>>> It was one of the first ones with an Intel processor in it, as I  
>>> remember. Will check out that site! Thanks :)
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Thu, 21/5/09, Robbie Murray <macman at f2s.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Robbie Murray <macman at f2s.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] 17 inch power book g4 for sale
>>> To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>>> Date: Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 10:24 PM
>>>
>>> Which iMac?
>>>
>>> Unless things have changed dramatically, Intel memory is little more
>>> than ?20.00 for 2Gb, but PPC is probably more.
>>>
>>> Have a look on Crucial ....
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/quqg6g
>>>
>>> It's a doddle to upgrade in most iMacs.
>>>
>>> Robbie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 21 May 2009, at 22:12, Esther Lemmens wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Michelle, and all,
>>>
>>> I'm looking to buy a mac laptop and was thinking of getting a Macbook
>>> Pro, but of course they're a bit on the pricy side... and I'm a
>>> student so not exactly loaded :)
>>>
>>> I can get educational discount, which is great, but they're still
>>> expensive. Reason for intended purchase is that my iMac at home is
>>> getting really slow now and can't keep up with me... I use graphic
>>> software and often a lot of it is open at one time (between 6 and 9
>>> applications).
>>>
>>> I'm just starting to wonder whether it is a memory issue? Current iMac
>>> has 512 MB 666 MHz RAM (seems like nothing these days!). Does anyone
>>> know how much it would cost to add memory to my iMac? And where I
>>> could get it done? Another option is to buy a used machine such as
>>> Michelle's, which has more memory ? would this sort my speed problems
>>> out? Or I could even add memory to this...
>>>
>>> Any suggestions/information greatly appreciated. Michelle, please let
>>> me know if you are going to sell, I'm definitely interested.
>>>
>>> Cheers :)
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Thu, 21/5/09, Michele Hurst <michelehurst at mac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Michele Hurst <michelehurst at mac.com>
>>> Subject: [NMUG] 17 inch power book g4 for sale
>>> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
>>> Date: Thursday, 21 May, 2009, 8:58 PM
>>>
>>> Hi
>>> Am going to sell the above, leopard, 1.5 gig ram. Have looked on ebay
>>> and they are making ?400-500. Totally immaculate condition and I think
>>> I still have the box as well!!
>>> Let me know if anyone interested before I list on ebay.  Also isight
>>> camera in perfect condition.
>>> Am "upgrading" to a macbook.
>>> Hope I am not making a mistake!
>>> Michele
>>>
>>> Michele Hurst
>>> michelehurst at mac.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>>       
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri May 22 21:42:01 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 21:42:01 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Best Places To Promote My Website?
Message-ID: <E98F19D1-DF85-459F-85F7-B01DF1BF10EF@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

My website traffic has dropped quite a lot over the last few weeks.  
After a major design, complete code clean up and lots of new content I  
was hoping for it to go up and not down.

I am now looking at places to promote it. Where would be the best  
places.

I write for LEM which links back to my site, which has done it good,  
but where else?

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri May 22 21:46:16 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 21:46:16 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] USB Turntable At The Range
Message-ID: <5FA7FF37-35A4-49AC-965F-9B207F243C37@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I was in The Range tonight up Longwater Retail Park and noticed they  
had some USB turntables for ?49.99.

It didn't say if it was Mac compatible, but on the box it was plugged  
into an iBook.

I know some of your were asking about USB turntables a few months back.

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From h.tamplin at btinternet.com  Sat May 23 11:00:09 2009
From: h.tamplin at btinternet.com (Heather Tamplin)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 11:00:09 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] web cams
Message-ID: <08BF2601-48FE-4779-B405-BCF8C8BEB12E@btinternet.com>

Hi All,
I am looking for the least expensive Mac compatible web cam for my G5  
imac and daughters G5 power mac. There are loads that say they are  
usable on a mac but lots don't give you sound I know firewire is best  
but they are dear and I will need to get 2 well probably 3 so cost is  
a big factor.

Did you fix your crashy Illustrator problem Martin?

Heather


From macman at f2s.com  Sat May 23 11:52:35 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 11:52:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] web cams
In-Reply-To: <08BF2601-48FE-4779-B405-BCF8C8BEB12E@btinternet.com>
References: <08BF2601-48FE-4779-B405-BCF8C8BEB12E@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <0855585A-7E0F-4E22-8D92-3EEE0BF96A56@f2s.com>

Hi Heather

If you Macs have built in mikes (which as far as I know has been the  
case for yonks), why would you want a mike on the camera?

Before I had a machine with a camera, I talked to almost daily to my  
daughter in Canada via Skype using an inexpensive USB Logitech which  
was fine for the video, and simply conversed using the Mac's mike &  
internal speakers.

Skype is very good at handling feedback, and it was perfectly OK, but  
as the last of the big spenders, for added sophistication I bought a  
headset/mike combination which enhanced the experience.   It was 99p  
from the eponymous emporium in Anglia Square.

Most webcams should work, but you may need to download and install  
Macam, which is free ......

http://webcam-osx.sourceforge.net/

Hope this helps.

Robbie



On 23 May 2009, at 11:00, Heather Tamplin wrote:

Hi All,
I am looking for the least expensive Mac compatible web cam for my G5
imac and daughters G5 power mac. There are loads that say they are
usable on a mac but lots don't give you sound I know firewire is best
but they are dear and I will need to get 2 well probably 3 so cost is
a big factor.

Did you fix your crashy Illustrator problem Martin?

Heather
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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sat May 23 12:29:49 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 12:29:49 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] web cams
In-Reply-To: <08BF2601-48FE-4779-B405-BCF8C8BEB12E@btinternet.com>
References: <08BF2601-48FE-4779-B405-BCF8C8BEB12E@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <DABA471D-3576-48F6-8AD6-94947F737B7E@durrant.co.uk>

A USB webcam will be fine. It's for hard disks that the added  
throughput of Firewire is really of benefit.


On 23 May 2009, at 11:00, Heather Tamplin wrote:

> Hi All,
> I am looking for the least expensive Mac compatible web cam for my G5
> imac and daughters G5 power mac. There are loads that say they are
> usable on a mac but lots don't give you sound I know firewire is best
> but they are dear and I will need to get 2 well probably 3 so cost is
> a big factor.



From h.tamplin at btinternet.com  Sat May 23 12:34:35 2009
From: h.tamplin at btinternet.com (Heather Tamplin)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 12:34:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] web cams
In-Reply-To: <DABA471D-3576-48F6-8AD6-94947F737B7E@durrant.co.uk>
References: <08BF2601-48FE-4779-B405-BCF8C8BEB12E@btinternet.com>
	<DABA471D-3576-48F6-8AD6-94947F737B7E@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <B3071358-D950-4245-8AD2-3800D99CF852@btinternet.com>

I have tried webcam (usb type) very cheap -
I get picture but no sound -
the webcam has jack on a wire to go to audio in -
I have tried with it plugged in and not plugged in -
hear nothing - BUT

Would I hear anything ? - How can I check if sound is working


thanks

Heather
On 23 May 2009, at 12:29, Paul Durrant wrote:

> A USB webcam will be fine. It's for hard disks that the added
> throughput of Firewire is really of benefit.
>
>
> On 23 May 2009, at 11:00, Heather Tamplin wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>> I am looking for the least expensive Mac compatible web cam for my G5
>> imac and daughters G5 power mac. There are loads that say they are
>> usable on a mac but lots don't give you sound I know firewire is best
>> but they are dear and I will need to get 2 well probably 3 so cost is
>> a big factor.
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

Heather Tamplin

www.heathertamplin.co.uk

"Art is the only way to run away without leaving home."
Twyla Tharp






From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sat May 23 14:17:08 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 14:17:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] web cams
In-Reply-To: <B3071358-D950-4245-8AD2-3800D99CF852@btinternet.com>
References: <08BF2601-48FE-4779-B405-BCF8C8BEB12E@btinternet.com>
	<DABA471D-3576-48F6-8AD6-94947F737B7E@durrant.co.uk>
	<B3071358-D950-4245-8AD2-3800D99CF852@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <99E2E8BF-435C-46B3-8E73-41EDD923AB66@durrant.co.uk>

As I recently found out, Macs have a line-level audio input. Most  
cheap microphones have (no surprise really) a microphone-level output,  
which isn't enough to work with the audio-in on Macs.


On 23 May 2009, at 12:34, Heather Tamplin wrote:

> I have tried webcam (usb type) very cheap -
> I get picture but no sound -
> the webcam has jack on a wire to go to audio in -
> I have tried with it plugged in and not plugged in -
> hear nothing - BUT
>
> Would I hear anything ? - How can I check if sound is working



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat May 23 14:37:56 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 14:37:56 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] web cams
In-Reply-To: <99E2E8BF-435C-46B3-8E73-41EDD923AB66@durrant.co.uk>
References: <08BF2601-48FE-4779-B405-BCF8C8BEB12E@btinternet.com>
	<DABA471D-3576-48F6-8AD6-94947F737B7E@durrant.co.uk>
	<B3071358-D950-4245-8AD2-3800D99CF852@btinternet.com>
	<99E2E8BF-435C-46B3-8E73-41EDD923AB66@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <AFBC4816-1F7A-4AE2-BEC0-97588DDB82D2@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I use a Playstation 2 Eye Toy. It works fine with OSX Tiger and  
Leopard and have used it with Skype and Yahoo Messenger.

I use the macam driver - http://webcam-osx.sourceforge.net/ - which  
works with lots of 'non-Mac' webcams.

It has no sound on the camera - actually something I never thought  
about until it was mentioned on here, but I use it with the built in  
mic on my PowerBook. It works fine and just automatically sorted  
itself out.

Simon


On 23 May 2009, at 14:17, Paul Durrant wrote:

> As I recently found out, Macs have a line-level audio input. Most
> cheap microphones have (no surprise really) a microphone-level output,
> which isn't enough to work with the audio-in on Macs.
>
>
> On 23 May 2009, at 12:34, Heather Tamplin wrote:
>
>> I have tried webcam (usb type) very cheap -
>> I get picture but no sound -
>> the webcam has jack on a wire to go to audio in -
>> I have tried with it plugged in and not plugged in -
>> hear nothing - BUT
>>
>> Would I hear anything ? - How can I check if sound is working
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

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SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From june.perrett at mac.com  Sat May 23 16:32:01 2009
From: june.perrett at mac.com (June Perrett)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 16:32:01 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Old darkroom enlarger
Message-ID: <DC293BA4-699D-463B-BB1B-88FF06CB0BDA@mac.com>

I have an old fashioned antiquated darkroom enlarger for which I have  
no use.  I'd like to find a new home for it.

I wondered if there is someone in the NMUG Group who collects of old  
photographic equipment - or knows of someone else?

Or does anyone know of a Photography Museum in Norfolk/Suffolk?  It's  
a pity to throw away a piece of photographic history.

Thanks
June



From macman at f2s.com  Sat May 23 16:43:10 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 16:43:10 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Old darkroom enlarger
In-Reply-To: <DC293BA4-699D-463B-BB1B-88FF06CB0BDA@mac.com>
References: <DC293BA4-699D-463B-BB1B-88FF06CB0BDA@mac.com>
Message-ID: <EABFFF78-B921-4148-A1F7-736F9B5FF683@f2s.com>

Hi June

Someone was looking for one the other day on Freecycle ...

If you're not a member, I'd be happy to offer it on your behalf.

Robbie

"The worldwide Freecycle Network is made up of many individual groups  
across the globe. It's a grassroots movement of people who are giving  
(and getting) stuff for free in their own towns.

Freecycle groups match people who have things they want to get rid of  
with people who can use them. Our goal is to keep usable items out of  
landfills. By using what we already have on this earth, we reduce  
consumerism, manufacture fewer goods, and lessen the impact on the  
earth. Another benefit of using Freecycle is that it encourages us to  
get rid of junk that we no longer need and promote community  
involvement in the process"



On 23 May 2009, at 16:32, June Perrett wrote:

I have an old fashioned antiquated darkroom enlarger for which I have
no use.  I'd like to find a new home for it.

I wondered if there is someone in the NMUG Group who collects of old
photographic equipment - or knows of someone else?

Or does anyone know of a Photography Museum in Norfolk/Suffolk?  It's
a pity to throw away a piece of photographic history.

Thanks
June

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From Interjay2 at btinternet.com  Sat May 23 17:25:35 2009
From: Interjay2 at btinternet.com (Peter James)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 17:25:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Old darkroom enlarger
References: <DC293BA4-699D-463B-BB1B-88FF06CB0BDA@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5063AA0FFD6346A28D16B46F69B24D7A@fujitsu>

Hi June
You could donate it to the Photographic Section of the National Media Museum 
in Bradford. Tel 0870-7101200.

Best regards
Peter James

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "June Perrett" <june.perrett at mac.com>
To: <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2009 4:32 PM
Subject: [NMUG] Old darkroom enlarger


>I have an old fashioned antiquated darkroom enlarger for which I have
> no use.  I'd like to find a new home for it.
>
> I wondered if there is someone in the NMUG Group who collects of old
> photographic equipment - or knows of someone else?
>
> Or does anyone know of a Photography Museum in Norfolk/Suffolk?  It's
> a pity to throw away a piece of photographic history.
>
> Thanks
> June
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


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From macman at f2s.com  Sun May 24 16:44:27 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 16:44:27 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Virtual Box / Windows 7
Message-ID: <34510370-C053-484F-A472-BB6396BA9F7E@f2s.com>

Since asking for help with this installation, I have received several  
emails from group members, all interested in the outcome but reluctant  
to post via the group for fear of any black belt members protesting it  
to be an inappropriate subject.

My own view is that it is entirely appropriate, since it involves  
installing software on my Mac, more so since Apple kindly provided  
Boot Camp for this very purpose,

For those who may be interested, then, I did, with some very welcome  
help and advice from David Viner, (and a fair bit of fiddling)  
complete the installation, and now have Windows 7 up and running on  
Virtual Box.   I'm most grateful to David for his help, without which  
I would still be floundering.
It's not perfect, and as yet I have not found a way to set a screen  
resolution which avoids having to constantly scroll up and down to  
view the entire desktop or set it to 800x600 which takes me back to  
the last century ........   Most irritating.

To be fair, it certainly looks to be the best version so far, (not  
least as it looks very OSX-like), and it'll be useful for checking  
everything displays correctly on PCs, but it''s not for me - my  
loyalty is not in question!

Robbie


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun May 24 17:31:54 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 17:31:54 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Virtual Box / Windows 7
Message-ID: <jq30SY1XyGZT.YYCY6XZp@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Robbie. As opposed to the dark side as I am, it is entirely a Mac related subject.

A Windows group would not be able to offer assistance as you are using a Mac.

As much as I love my Mac and it does everything I need I know some people still need it for somethings.

I still have Virtual PC and Qemu installed on my PowerBook with Windows 98 for those odd occasions.

Simon

--- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk (sent using a Nokia N82)

-original message-
Subject: [NMUG] Virtual Box / Windows 7
From: Robbie Murray <macman at f2s.com>
Date: 24/05/2009 16:44

Since asking for help with this installation, I have received several  
emails from group members, all interested in the outcome but reluctant  
to post via the group for fear of any black belt members protesting it  
to be an inappropriate subject.

My own view is that it is entirely appropriate, since it involves  
installing software on my Mac, more so since Apple kindly provided  
Boot Camp for this very purpose,

For those who may be interested, then, I did, with some very welcome  
help and advice from David Viner, (and a fair bit of fiddling)  
complete the installation, and now have Windows 7 up and running on  
Virtual Box.   I'm most grateful to David for his help, without which  
I would still be floundering.
It's not perfect, and as yet I have not found a way to set a screen  
resolution which avoids having to constantly scroll up and down to  
view the entire desktop or set it to 800x600 which takes me back to  
the last century ........   Most irritating.

To be fair, it certainly looks to be the best version so far, (not  
least as it looks very OSX-like), and it'll be useful for checking  
everything displays correctly on PCs, but it''s not for me - my  
loyalty is not in question!

Robbie
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From june.perrett at mac.com  Sun May 24 19:53:55 2009
From: june.perrett at mac.com (June Perrett)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 19:53:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Old Darkroom Enlarger
Message-ID: <42A41A83-7642-440B-A3C0-2CF97C3BEA10@mac.com>

Thank you Robbie and Peter (J) for your suggestions.
Regards
June


From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Sun May 24 20:44:34 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 20:44:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] May meeting
Message-ID: <BA394937-DA30-4F1F-A323-EF7B91893917@virgin.net>

The next meeting will be on the 27th May 2009 that being the fourth
Wednesday of the month. It will be held at The Quebec in a separate
room from the bar and will be from 7.30.

Quebec
93-97 Quebec Road
Norwich
NR1 4HY

Here is a link to a map.

<http://www.ukpubfinder.com/pub/21675>

Hope to see you all there.

Paul C


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon May 25 00:10:27 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 00:10:27 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Early MacBook
Message-ID: <FqSTwL0KrmpV.byV5jQ7M@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi. I know I could check eBay, but that would mean waiting a few weeks for 'average' prices, but I cant be bothered.

I am thinking of moving back into the Intel world and it would be a MacBook. An early 1.83 core duo first gen would be fine, remember I am upping from a G4 PowerBook.

Whats an average price? A good price?

Simon

 --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk (sent using a Nokia N82)



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon May 25 09:29:20 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 09:29:20 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Early MacBook
In-Reply-To: <FqSTwL0KrmpV.byV5jQ7M@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <FqSTwL0KrmpV.byV5jQ7M@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5AE8FE41-443C-47CA-8DA6-E1ACC3254F97@durrant.co.uk>

The way to check eBay is to look at completed auctions, not wait for  
current auctions to finish!

regards,

Paul

On 25 May 2009, at 00:10, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi. I know I could check eBay, but that would mean waiting a few  
> weeks for 'average' prices, but I cant be bothered.



From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com  Mon May 25 23:30:45 2009
From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (Simon Bainbridge)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 23:30:45 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Virtual Box / Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <jq30SY1XyGZT.YYCY6XZp@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <jq30SY1XyGZT.YYCY6XZp@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <19969099-0584-461B-8484-CAE84D521E39@googlemail.com>

To have the ability to change the resolution in Windows running in  
Virtual Box, install the guest additions.

Goto - Devices >  Install Guest Additions >  Run from mounted CD Drive  
in windows > this will then install the drivers > Set Resolution in  
Display properties.

Cheers

Simon Bainbridge

On 24 May 2009, at 17:31, Simon Royal wrote:

> Robbie. As opposed to the dark side as I am, it is entirely a Mac  
> related subject.
>
> A Windows group would not be able to offer assistance as you are  
> using a Mac.
>
> As much as I love my Mac and it does everything I need I know some  
> people still need it for somethings.
>
> I still have Virtual PC and Qemu installed on my PowerBook with  
> Windows 98 for those odd occasions.
>
> Simon
>
> --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk (sent using a  
> Nokia N82)
>
> -original message-
> Subject: [NMUG] Virtual Box / Windows 7
> From: Robbie Murray <macman at f2s.com>
> Date: 24/05/2009 16:44
>
> Since asking for help with this installation, I have received several
> emails from group members, all interested in the outcome but reluctant
> to post via the group for fear of any black belt members protesting it
> to be an inappropriate subject.
>
> My own view is that it is entirely appropriate, since it involves
> installing software on my Mac, more so since Apple kindly provided
> Boot Camp for this very purpose,
>
> For those who may be interested, then, I did, with some very welcome
> help and advice from David Viner, (and a fair bit of fiddling)
> complete the installation, and now have Windows 7 up and running on
> Virtual Box.   I'm most grateful to David for his help, without which
> I would still be floundering.
> It's not perfect, and as yet I have not found a way to set a screen
> resolution which avoids having to constantly scroll up and down to
> view the entire desktop or set it to 800x600 which takes me back to
> the last century ........   Most irritating.
>
> To be fair, it certainly looks to be the best version so far, (not
> least as it looks very OSX-like), and it'll be useful for checking
> everything displays correctly on PCs, but it''s not for me - my
> loyalty is not in question!
>
> Robbie
> _______________________________________________
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> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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>
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From macman at f2s.com  Tue May 26 06:37:49 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 06:37:49 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Virtual Box / Windows 7
In-Reply-To: <19969099-0584-461B-8484-CAE84D521E39@googlemail.com>
References: <jq30SY1XyGZT.YYCY6XZp@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
	<19969099-0584-461B-8484-CAE84D521E39@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <1B9C45BF-7E42-4D2B-8CF7-17317438BCD0@f2s.com>

Thanks Simon

David Viner put me wise to this, and it's all fixed - my final tasks  
are to get it to join the existing workgroup and see the printers .....

Robbie


On 25 May 2009, at 23:30, Simon Bainbridge wrote:

To have the ability to change the resolution in Windows running in
Virtual Box, install the guest additions.

Goto - Devices >  Install Guest Additions >  Run from mounted CD Drive
in windows > this will then install the drivers > Set Resolution in
Display properties.

Cheers

Simon Bainbridge

On 24 May 2009, at 17:31, Simon Royal wrote:

> Robbie. As opposed to the dark side as I am, it is entirely a Mac
> related subject.
>
> A Windows group would not be able to offer assistance as you are
> using a Mac.
>
> As much as I love my Mac and it does everything I need I know some
> people still need it for somethings.
>
> I still have Virtual PC and Qemu installed on my PowerBook with
> Windows 98 for those odd occasions.
>
> Simon
>
> --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk (sent using a
> Nokia N82)
>
> -original message-
> Subject: [NMUG] Virtual Box / Windows 7
> From: Robbie Murray <macman at f2s.com>
> Date: 24/05/2009 16:44
>
> Since asking for help with this installation, I have received several
> emails from group members, all interested in the outcome but reluctant
> to post via the group for fear of any black belt members protesting it
> to be an inappropriate subject.
>
> My own view is that it is entirely appropriate, since it involves
> installing software on my Mac, more so since Apple kindly provided
> Boot Camp for this very purpose,
>
> For those who may be interested, then, I did, with some very welcome
> help and advice from David Viner, (and a fair bit of fiddling)
> complete the installation, and now have Windows 7 up and running on
> Virtual Box.   I'm most grateful to David for his help, without which
> I would still be floundering.
> It's not perfect, and as yet I have not found a way to set a screen
> resolution which avoids having to constantly scroll up and down to
> view the entire desktop or set it to 800x600 which takes me back to
> the last century ........   Most irritating.
>
> To be fair, it certainly looks to be the best version so far, (not
> least as it looks very OSX-like), and it'll be useful for checking
> everything displays correctly on PCs, but it''s not for me - my
> loyalty is not in question!
>
> Robbie
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

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From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Tue May 26 23:33:25 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 23:33:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] LittleSnitch
Message-ID: <1F659914-6B66-4418-9010-F0F908A28B90@gmail.com>

Anyone tried this?

It's an utility that monitors all outbound traffic from your Mac,  
intercepting all those phone-home messages you never knew your  
applications were making. I like this idea because I'm in the habit of  
using lots of trial software and I always wanted to know if any info  
was being sent back to the developer. I'd like to control this if I  
can. I watched LittleSnitch intercepting these calls.. quite an eye- 
opener.

I did have a problem with losing my Internet connection which might  
have been a coincidence, which is why I'm asking if anyone uses it on  
a regular basis. The thing comes with an Uninstall facility so it was  
simple to remove. I'm going to give it another go.


From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Tue May 26 23:42:11 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 23:42:11 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] LittleSnitch
In-Reply-To: <1F659914-6B66-4418-9010-F0F908A28B90@gmail.com>
References: <1F659914-6B66-4418-9010-F0F908A28B90@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41B7C824-070B-4C72-A58E-DC6924C034AC@virgin.net>

Hi stefan

My cousin reccomended it to me and I used the trial version for a  
week or so.  It started to annoy me, asking if it was Ok to connect  
to this or that so I dumped it.  Now I keep getting a window saying I  
need to configure it.
What that means I'm sure, is that they want me to buy it!

Not sure what to do with it now!


martin

www.martinfryphotography.com



> Anyone tried this?
>
> It's an utility that monitors all outbound traffic from your Mac,
> intercepting all those phone-home messages you never knew your
> applications were making. I like this idea because I'm in the habit of
> using lots of trial software and I always wanted to know if any info
> was being sent back to the developer. I'd like to control this if I
> can. I watched LittleSnitch intercepting these calls.. quite an eye-
> opener.
>
> I did have a problem with losing my Internet connection which might
> have been a coincidence, which is why I'm asking if anyone uses it on
> a regular basis. The thing comes with an Uninstall facility so it was
> simple to remove. I'm going to give it another go.
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug





From macman at f2s.com  Tue May 26 23:50:53 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 23:50:53 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] LittleSnitch
In-Reply-To: <1F659914-6B66-4418-9010-F0F908A28B90@gmail.com>
References: <1F659914-6B66-4418-9010-F0F908A28B90@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <190055FB-A686-49B5-8272-23A9AEA612E6@f2s.com>

I had it years ago and it drove me mad, as it was popping up every  
couple of minutes - does what it says on the tin, but oh so  
irritating ....

I dumped it!

Robbie

On 26 May 2009, at 23:33, stefan youngs wrote:

Anyone tried this?

It's an utility that monitors all outbound traffic from your Mac,
intercepting all those phone-home messages you never knew your
applications were making. I like this idea because I'm in the habit of
using lots of trial software and I always wanted to know if any info
was being sent back to the developer. I'd like to control this if I
can. I watched LittleSnitch intercepting these calls.. quite an eye-
opener.

I did have a problem with losing my Internet connection which might
have been a coincidence, which is why I'm asking if anyone uses it on
a regular basis. The thing comes with an Uninstall facility so it was
simple to remove. I'm going to give it another go.
_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
NMUG at durrant.co.uk
http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From Interjay2 at btinternet.com  Wed May 27 07:11:46 2009
From: Interjay2 at btinternet.com (Peter James)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 07:11:46 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] LittleSnitch
References: <1F659914-6B66-4418-9010-F0F908A28B90@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F5569AA46BF645CCA540AD9E69874F7A@fujitsu>

Isn't this like Zone Alarm ?
PJ


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From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com  Wed May 27 09:31:46 2009
From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:31:46 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] MacBook memory
Message-ID: <62DD49B8-B788-4F28-B018-C3E84026CEA3@ruthmurray.f2s.com>

Someone is selling some MacBook memory on gumtree

http://norwich.gumtree.com/norwich/92/39459392.html

maybe even one of you!

Ruth


From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Wed May 27 09:52:47 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:52:47 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] LittleSnitch
In-Reply-To: <1F659914-6B66-4418-9010-F0F908A28B90@gmail.com>
References: <1F659914-6B66-4418-9010-F0F908A28B90@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A1CFF5F.7060006@stackyard.org>

An interesting application.  As Peter says, it's very similar to Zone 
Alarm and other 3rd-party firewalls.  I don't know how many are 
available for Macs - loads for PCs.  It's probably not something I'd 
like running all the time but a useful tool if underhand activity is 
suspected.  It looks like the unregistered version runs for 3 hours and 
then stops.  I'm not sure it's such a vital tool that I would pay $30 
for it, though.

Still, it's interesting to see how many sites are involved when viewing 
a web site such as The Register.  There must be about 15 different ad 
sites accessed when loading a single page.  Nothing like a bit of advert 
revenue.

Ken

stefan youngs wrote:
> Anyone tried this?
>
> It's an utility that monitors all outbound traffic from your Mac,  
> intercepting all those phone-home messages you never knew your  
> applications were making. I like this idea because I'm in the habit of  
> using lots of trial software and I always wanted to know if any info  
> was being sent back to the developer. I'd like to control this if I  
> can. I watched LittleSnitch intercepting these calls.. quite an eye- 
> opener.
>
> I did have a problem with losing my Internet connection which might  
> have been a coincidence, which is why I'm asking if anyone uses it on  
> a regular basis. The thing comes with an Uninstall facility so it was  
> simple to remove. I'm going to give it another go.
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From munkt0n at gmail.com  Wed May 27 10:03:18 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:03:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] LittleSnitch
In-Reply-To: <4A1CFF5F.7060006@stackyard.org>
References: <1F659914-6B66-4418-9010-F0F908A28B90@gmail.com>
	<4A1CFF5F.7060006@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0905270203y693cff13i6b5e1abf3f631516@mail.gmail.com>

must be a lot of requests to
alarmist-inaccurate-tabloid-style-headline-generator.com!

On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Ken Hamer <ken.hamer at stackyard.org> wrote:
> Still, it's interesting to see how many sites are involved when viewing
> a web site such as The Register.  There must be about 15 different ad
> sites accessed when loading a single page.


From angieking at mac.com  Wed May 27 11:02:25 2009
From: angieking at mac.com (Angie King)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:02:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Upgrading equipment
Message-ID: <839C13B7-F60C-4D45-BC34-9AE79F38FB98@mac.com>

I need to upgrade my printers etc and would be most grateful for any  
suggestions for the following:

	Hard Drive, Scanner, Colour Laser and Inkjet printers.

I am looking for good quality but not the most expensive.

Thanks

Angie King


From footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk  Wed May 27 11:08:40 2009
From: footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk (joe butler)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:08:40 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NMUG] G5 imac swap / sale
Message-ID: <5258.57500.qm@web26702.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>


Hello all,
Im about to list my little girls g5 imac on ebay as she wants a laptop so Im offering it here first.Im looking to swap it for a mac laptop so if you have one and want to swap let me know ( no ibooks please!) or I am open to offers
G5 iMac 1.6
1GB RAM
10.5 Leopard
Superdrive
Office 2004, toast 10 (both genuine!!)
15" Monitor ( can run two screens)
keyboard and mouse ( keyboard a bit grubby)
Thanks for looking  ?  ?


      

From footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk  Wed May 27 11:12:34 2009
From: footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk (joe butler)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:12:34 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NMUG] G5 imac swap / sale
Message-ID: <607276.8723.qm@web26701.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Forgot to add ?its a 17" and has a 150GB HHD

Cheap and Free mobile phones  http://www.nimrod.2u.co.uk  ?  Iphone and Ipod Insurance   http://nimrod.2u.co.uk/insurance  ?  Get your own FREE mobile phones sales website  http://nimrod.2uaffiliates.com/join/  ?  ?  ?  ?

--- On Wed, 27/5/09, joe butler <footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

From: joe butler <footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: [NMUG] G5 imac swap / sale
To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
Date: Wednesday, 27 May, 2009, 11:08 AM


Hello all,
Im about to list my little girls g5 imac on ebay as she wants a laptop so Im offering it here first.Im looking to swap it for a mac laptop so if you have one and want to swap let me know ( no ibooks please!) or I am open to offers
G5 iMac 1.6
1GB RAM
10.5 Leopard
Superdrive
Office 2004, toast 10 (both genuine!!)
15" Monitor ( can run two screens)
keyboard and mouse ( keyboard a bit grubby)
Thanks for looking? ?? ?


? ? ? 
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From tomkershaw at mac.com  Wed May 27 11:16:41 2009
From: tomkershaw at mac.com (Tom Kershaw)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:16:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Upgrading equipment
In-Reply-To: <839C13B7-F60C-4D45-BC34-9AE79F38FB98@mac.com>
References: <839C13B7-F60C-4D45-BC34-9AE79F38FB98@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4A1D1309.2090304@mac.com>

Angie,

What type of media will you be scanning, and for what output?

Tom.

Angie King wrote:
> I need to upgrade my printers etc and would be most grateful for any  
> suggestions for the following:
>
> 	Hard Drive, Scanner, Colour Laser and Inkjet printers.
>
> I am looking for good quality but not the most expensive.
>
> Thanks
>
> Angie King
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>   



From angieking at mac.com  Wed May 27 11:22:57 2009
From: angieking at mac.com (Angie King)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:22:57 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Upgrading equipment
In-Reply-To: <4A1D1309.2090304@mac.com>
References: <839C13B7-F60C-4D45-BC34-9AE79F38FB98@mac.com>
	<4A1D1309.2090304@mac.com>
Message-ID: <507947AD-6270-48AE-BD41-381B9A2B4210@mac.com>

Mainly old photos which I want to then print (either myself or through  
lab) and archive

Angie


On 27 May 2009, at 11:16, Tom Kershaw wrote:

> Angie,
>
> What type of media will you be scanning, and for what output?
>
> Tom.
>
> Angie King wrote:
>> I need to upgrade my printers etc and would be most grateful for any
>> suggestions for the following:
>>
>> 	Hard Drive, Scanner, Colour Laser and Inkjet printers.
>>
>> I am looking for good quality but not the most expensive.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Angie King
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From tomkershaw at mac.com  Wed May 27 11:26:42 2009
From: tomkershaw at mac.com (Tom Kershaw)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:26:42 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Upgrading equipment
In-Reply-To: <507947AD-6270-48AE-BD41-381B9A2B4210@mac.com>
References: <839C13B7-F60C-4D45-BC34-9AE79F38FB98@mac.com>
	<4A1D1309.2090304@mac.com>
	<507947AD-6270-48AE-BD41-381B9A2B4210@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4A1D1562.90400@mac.com>

1. Prints rather than film?

2. What size are the prints, and what level of image quality do you want 
/ need to achieve?

Tom.

Angie King wrote:
> Mainly old photos which I want to then print (either myself or through  
> lab) and archive
>
> Angie
>
>
> On 27 May 2009, at 11:16, Tom Kershaw wrote:
>
>   
>> Angie,
>>
>> What type of media will you be scanning, and for what output?
>>
>> Tom.
>>
>> Angie King wrote:
>>     
>>> I need to upgrade my printers etc and would be most grateful for any
>>> suggestions for the following:
>>>
>>> 	Hard Drive, Scanner, Colour Laser and Inkjet printers.
>>>
>>> I am looking for good quality but not the most expensive.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Angie King
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
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From angieking at mac.com  Wed May 27 11:37:45 2009
From: angieking at mac.com (Angie King)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:37:45 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Upgrading equipment
In-Reply-To: <4A1D1562.90400@mac.com>
References: <839C13B7-F60C-4D45-BC34-9AE79F38FB98@mac.com>
	<4A1D1309.2090304@mac.com>
	<507947AD-6270-48AE-BD41-381B9A2B4210@mac.com>
	<4A1D1562.90400@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F7EB4A09-5C64-46D5-852C-A05EE4C3ED0F@mac.com>

Hi Tom

I have an old film scanner. The flatbed scanner would be mainly for  
old photos (no negs) and general scanning so would not need to be any  
bigger than 10 x 8, the higher resolution the better but the highest  
quality is not essential.

Thanks

Angie

On 27 May 2009, at 11:26, Tom Kershaw wrote:

> 1. Prints rather than film?
>
> 2. What size are the prints, and what level of image quality do you  
> want
> / need to achieve?
>
> Tom.
>


From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Wed May 27 11:46:01 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:46:01 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Upgrading equipment
In-Reply-To: <839C13B7-F60C-4D45-BC34-9AE79F38FB98@mac.com>
References: <839C13B7-F60C-4D45-BC34-9AE79F38FB98@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4A1D19E9.5050001@stackyard.org>

Angie,

I'm not sure what you mean by "hard drive".  Do you really mean you want 
to upgrade your machine's internal hard drive or do you mean an external 
hard drive or are you actually talking about the machine itself?

Regarding colour laser printers, my son recently acquired an HP Color 
LaserJet CP1515n which produces excellent prints.  It's a network 
printer so is easy to make available to other machines if you have any.

Ken

Angie King wrote:
> I need to upgrade my printers etc and would be most grateful for any  
> suggestions for the following:
>
> 	Hard Drive, Scanner, Colour Laser and Inkjet printers.
>
> I am looking for good quality but not the most expensive.
>
> Thanks
>
> Angie King
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From angieking at mac.com  Wed May 27 11:54:17 2009
From: angieking at mac.com (Angie King)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:54:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Upgrading equipment
In-Reply-To: <4A1D19E9.5050001@stackyard.org>
References: <839C13B7-F60C-4D45-BC34-9AE79F38FB98@mac.com>
	<4A1D19E9.5050001@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <096170EF-B428-45B9-AC1D-7762201428D9@mac.com>

Sorry I mean external hard drive to back up photos etc!

Thanks for telling me about the HP Laser printer

Angie

On 27 May 2009, at 11:46, Ken Hamer wrote:

> Angie,
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by "hard drive".  Do you really mean you  
> want
> to upgrade your machine's internal hard drive or do you mean an  
> external
> hard drive or are you actually talking about the machine itself?
>
> Regarding colour laser printers, my son recently acquired an HP Color
> LaserJet CP1515n which produces excellent prints.  It's a network
> printer so is easy to make available to other machines if you have  
> any.
>
> Ken


From tomkershaw at mac.com  Wed May 27 12:03:38 2009
From: tomkershaw at mac.com (Tom Kershaw)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:03:38 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Upgrading equipment
In-Reply-To: <F7EB4A09-5C64-46D5-852C-A05EE4C3ED0F@mac.com>
References: <839C13B7-F60C-4D45-BC34-9AE79F38FB98@mac.com>
	<4A1D1309.2090304@mac.com>
	<507947AD-6270-48AE-BD41-381B9A2B4210@mac.com>
	<4A1D1562.90400@mac.com>
	<F7EB4A09-5C64-46D5-852C-A05EE4C3ED0F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4A1D1E0A.4070306@mac.com>

Something like the Epson V700 might be a good option:    
http://www.jigsaw24.com/default.aspx?IP=&ITEM=JIGSX264ALA

In terms of flatbed scanners I'm still using a 9 year old Microtek A4 
device, but would probably upgrade if I needed better quality reflective 
scanning.

Tom.

Angie King wrote:
> Hi Tom
>
> I have an old film scanner. The flatbed scanner would be mainly for  
> old photos (no negs) and general scanning so would not need to be any  
> bigger than 10 x 8, the higher resolution the better but the highest  
> quality is not essential.
>
> Thanks
>
> Angie
>
> On 27 May 2009, at 11:26, Tom Kershaw wrote:
>
>   
>> 1. Prints rather than film?
>>
>> 2. What size are the prints, and what level of image quality do you  
>> want
>> / need to achieve?
>>
>> Tom.
>>
>>     
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From angieking at mac.com  Wed May 27 12:12:08 2009
From: angieking at mac.com (Angie King)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:12:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Upgrading equipment
In-Reply-To: <4A1D1E0A.4070306@mac.com>
References: <839C13B7-F60C-4D45-BC34-9AE79F38FB98@mac.com>
	<4A1D1309.2090304@mac.com>
	<507947AD-6270-48AE-BD41-381B9A2B4210@mac.com>
	<4A1D1562.90400@mac.com> <F7EB4A09-5C64-46D5-852C-A05EE4C3ED0F@mac.com>
	<4A1D1E0A.4070306@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F9BC9D8F-C6F3-492E-8819-89288C56B92E@mac.com>

Thanks Tom

On 27 May 2009, at 12:03, Tom Kershaw wrote:

> Something like the Epson V700 might be a good option:
> http://www.jigsaw24.com/default.aspx?IP=&ITEM=JIGSX264ALA
>
> In terms of flatbed scanners I'm still using a 9 year old Microtek A4
> device, but would probably upgrade if I needed better quality  
> reflective
> scanning.
>
> Tom.


From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Wed May 27 12:28:56 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 12:28:56 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Upgrading equipment
In-Reply-To: <096170EF-B428-45B9-AC1D-7762201428D9@mac.com>
References: <839C13B7-F60C-4D45-BC34-9AE79F38FB98@mac.com>	<4A1D19E9.5050001@stackyard.org>
	<096170EF-B428-45B9-AC1D-7762201428D9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4A1D23F8.3010609@stackyard.org>

OK.  Depends on the quantity of photos and how many machines have to 
access them.  Variables are the interface and the size of drive.  Drives 
with network adapters can easily give access to multiple machines but if 
you only have one, you can make do with USB or FireWire (slightly 
faster) interfaces.  Drive sizes can get very large but you may need a 
large drive if you have an extreme amount of data to store.  Aria have 
loads (http://tinyurl.com/2esh3z) - some up to a terabyte for less than 
?80.  Avoid the compact, unpowered 2.5" drives which draw their power 
through the USB connection.  Under the wrong conditions, these can 
surpass the current limitations of some USB ports when the drive is 
first connected so fail to start and just sit there clicking uselessly.  
They are mainly for travel use.

Happy shopping.

Ken

Angie King wrote:
> Sorry I mean external hard drive to back up photos etc!
>
> Thanks for telling me about the HP Laser printer
>
> Angie
>
> On 27 May 2009, at 11:46, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
>   
>> Angie,
>>
>> I'm not sure what you mean by "hard drive".  Do you really mean you  
>> want
>> to upgrade your machine's internal hard drive or do you mean an  
>> external
>> hard drive or are you actually talking about the machine itself?
>>
>> Regarding colour laser printers, my son recently acquired an HP Color
>> LaserJet CP1515n which produces excellent prints.  It's a network
>> printer so is easy to make available to other machines if you have  
>> any.
>>
>> Ken
>>     
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From macman at f2s.com  Wed May 27 13:07:11 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 13:07:11 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Upgrading equipment
In-Reply-To: <096170EF-B428-45B9-AC1D-7762201428D9@mac.com>
References: <839C13B7-F60C-4D45-BC34-9AE79F38FB98@mac.com>
	<4A1D19E9.5050001@stackyard.org>
	<096170EF-B428-45B9-AC1D-7762201428D9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7435D8C3-A2A3-42A5-A6FA-C92445370BB4@f2s.com>

I swear by my LaCie D2 Quadra, not the cheapest, but silent and  
reliable, and relatively futureproof, as it has a USB; Firewire 400;  
Firewire 800 and SATA interfaces - I use the Firewire 800, and it's  
the fastest I've ever experienced on an external drive, but I have a  
feeling SATA ports will become common on Macs, then it will really be  
the GT Turbo F1.....

Robbie


On 27 May 2009, at 11:54, Angie King wrote:

Sorry I mean external hard drive to back up photos etc!

Thanks for telling me about the HP Laser printer

Angie

On 27 May 2009, at 11:46, Ken Hamer wrote:

> Angie,
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by "hard drive".  Do you really mean you
> want
> to upgrade your machine's internal hard drive or do you mean an
> external
> hard drive or are you actually talking about the machine itself?
>
> Regarding colour laser printers, my son recently acquired an HP Color
> LaserJet CP1515n which produces excellent prints.  It's a network
> printer so is easy to make available to other machines if you have
> any.
>
> Ken
_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
NMUG at durrant.co.uk
http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Wed May 27 17:55:01 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:55:01 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Upgrading equipment
In-Reply-To: <7435D8C3-A2A3-42A5-A6FA-C92445370BB4@f2s.com>
References: <839C13B7-F60C-4D45-BC34-9AE79F38FB98@mac.com>
	<4A1D19E9.5050001@stackyard.org>
	<096170EF-B428-45B9-AC1D-7762201428D9@mac.com>
	<7435D8C3-A2A3-42A5-A6FA-C92445370BB4@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <033CA791-01B0-452E-B526-5E72844BC75E@zen.co.uk>

Snap, 1 x D2 1TB, 1 x D2 500GB and 1 x standard Alu Lacie 300 GB drive  
- all working very well including one with Time Machine which works as  
advertised.

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 27 May 2009, at 13:07, Robbie Murray wrote:

> I swear by my LaCie D2 Quadra, not the cheapest, but silent and
> reliable, and relatively futureproof, as it has a USB; Firewire 400;
> Firewire 800 and SATA interfaces - I use the Firewire 800, and it's
> the fastest I've ever experienced on an external drive, but I have a
> feeling SATA ports will become common on Macs, then it will really be
> the GT Turbo F1.....
>
> Robbie
>
>
> On 27 May 2009, at 11:54, Angie King wrote:
>
> Sorry I mean external hard drive to back up photos etc!
>
> Thanks for telling me about the HP Laser printer
>
> Angie
>
> On 27 May 2009, at 11:46, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
>> Angie,
>>
>> I'm not sure what you mean by "hard drive".  Do you really mean you
>> want
>> to upgrade your machine's internal hard drive or do you mean an
>> external
>> hard drive or are you actually talking about the machine itself?
>>
>> Regarding colour laser printers, my son recently acquired an HP Color
>> LaserJet CP1515n which produces excellent prints.  It's a network
>> printer so is easy to make available to other machines if you have
>> any.
>>
>> Ken
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Wed May 27 20:37:35 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:37:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Little snitch
Message-ID: <9897C215-CF28-4B30-9B14-425D80A0E22D@virgin.net>

So after deleting Little snitch the little bugger keeps popping up  
asking to be configured.

How do I now get rid of the pop up please?

Martin


From macman at f2s.com  Wed May 27 20:51:02 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:51:02 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Little snitch
In-Reply-To: <9897C215-CF28-4B30-9B14-425D80A0E22D@virgin.net>
References: <9897C215-CF28-4B30-9B14-425D80A0E22D@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <2D5310CF-1B86-4881-A209-5E7F42015582@f2s.com>

http://tinyurl.com/db5cpm

Robbie


On 27 May 2009, at 20:37, Martin Fry wrote:

So after deleting Little snitch the little bugger keeps popping up
asking to be configured.

How do I now get rid of the pop up please?

Martin
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From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Wed May 27 22:42:05 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 22:42:05 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Little snitch
In-Reply-To: <9897C215-CF28-4B30-9B14-425D80A0E22D@virgin.net>
References: <9897C215-CF28-4B30-9B14-425D80A0E22D@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <4A1DB3AD.2010204@stackyard.org>

Specifically:

   1. Start the Little Snitch installer application from the disk image 
or any other location.
   2. Choose the option "uninstall".

It will need a restart (Restart??!!! Did this start out as a Windows app 
or something?) to do the business and then it will be gone.

Ken

Martin Fry wrote:
> So after deleting Little snitch the little bugger keeps popping up  
> asking to be configured.
>
> How do I now get rid of the pop up please?
>
> Martin
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Wed May 27 23:54:31 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 23:54:31 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Little snitch
In-Reply-To: <2D5310CF-1B86-4881-A209-5E7F42015582@f2s.com>
References: <9897C215-CF28-4B30-9B14-425D80A0E22D@virgin.net>
	<2D5310CF-1B86-4881-A209-5E7F42015582@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <E6ADE439-C2F1-4C08-A2A7-539ED78216C9@virgin.net>

Thanks Robbie & all

Have to wait and see if it reappears but it is now uninstalled

Martin

www.martinfryphotography.com

> http://tinyurl.com/db5cpm
>
> Robbie
>
>
> On 27 May 2009, at 20:37, Martin Fry wrote:
>
> So after deleting Little snitch the little bugger keeps popping up
> asking to be configured.
>
> How do I now get rid of the pop up please?
>
> Martin
>






From angieking at mac.com  Thu May 28 11:31:58 2009
From: angieking at mac.com (Angie King)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 11:31:58 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] R: Upgrading equipment
Message-ID: <BE149ED3-A8E3-4B17-A570-48659334AE35@mac.com>

A BIG thank you to everyone who came up with suggestions for me.

Angie King


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Thu May 28 12:09:01 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:09:01 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New low-end MacBook
Message-ID: <475C6B40-6C36-4597-B0C5-84002D9C15D0@durrant.co.uk>

At the meeting yesterday I mentioned that the white MacBook was being  
updated - bumped from 2.0GHz to 2.13GHz, whith a bigger hard disk, for  
the same US price $999.

Well, the UK Applestore has now updated. Same specs as the US store,  
but unfortunately, the price has gone up to ?749 from ?719. This is  
disappointing, but looking at exchange rates I see I'd mis-remembered.  
The current $:? exchange rate is worse than it was last time a new  
MacBook was introduced. It's currently around $1.6:?1, and back in  
October 2008 it was around $1.75:?1.

(The refurbished white MacBook at ?628 is rather attractive through.
http://store.apple.com/uk/product/FB881B/A?mco=MjE0NDk5Mw )

Paul



From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Thu May 28 12:24:08 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:24:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] What was eating my HD?
Message-ID: <D3A385FB-44EC-4197-9BC2-A4FAC7866073@virgin.net>

At last night's meeting I made the embarrassing admittance that I had  
lost track of quite a bit of HD space. Because I have 3 external HDs  
(totalling 2 TB) attached to my iMac I wasn't too worried when I was  
getting low HD space warnings on the main internal drive, I would just  
choose a suitable folder and move it to one of the external drives.  
However, the other day the warning came up a bit too soon after one of  
my moving sessions and I decided to investigate what was using it. A  
straight list of folders gave a total of about 160GB and I knew that  
there would be a few hidden/invisible files but that still left a bit  
unaccounted for. After my memory was jogged it actually left a LOT  
unaccounted for as I remembered that my internal HD was not 250GB but  
500GB. I used a program called Disk Inventory X which will trawl  
through any selected HD or folder and list everything including all  
hidden files. It gives a listing as well as a very pretty graphical  
display of the results. I found a large folder of files that ended  
in .asl and are probably log files. After deleting most of them I  
freed up an extra...

...wait for it...

...280GB!! Slightly embarrassing that I had mislaid that amount  
without knowing.

The next thing to do is monitor this folder and see if these files  
start adding up again and then work out what the problem is that is  
creating them all. At least I don't have to worry about lack of HD  
space for a while.

The program I used can be freely downloaded at  <http:// 
www.derlien.com/>

Paul C


From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Thu May 28 12:29:49 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:29:49 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Update on Michael Crook
Message-ID: <647B5909-21A7-4B14-B00B-15AF5BDC2534@virgin.net>

Michael is very slowly making progress after his heart valve operation  
and stroke and has been transferred from Papworth back to the Norfolk  
and Norwich. He's in the Kilverstone Ward, which is on Level 3 of the  
East Block. Visiting times are 10:00 to 12:00 and 16:00 to 20:00. This  
is the latest report I received from a few days ago:

He continues to make slow but steady progress; he is again being given  
liquids by mouth - this had been suspended for a few days due to  
concerns with his swallowing reflex. He still requires assistance to  
get out of bed; staff are trying to get him to sit in a chair as much  
as possible, the length of time he is able to sit is increasing  
steadily. He remains in good spirits and has no trouble understanding  
and participating in conversations.


Paul C

From kelvinyoungs at mac.com  Thu May 28 12:51:25 2009
From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:51:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Update on Michael Crook
In-Reply-To: <647B5909-21A7-4B14-B00B-15AF5BDC2534@virgin.net>
References: <647B5909-21A7-4B14-B00B-15AF5BDC2534@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <2D39D11F-C38F-458D-A509-FF60FD86D622@mac.com>

I work there as a trainer of the catering and cleaning staff.
If you want me to do anything - just ask.
Kelvin
On 28 May 2009, at 12:29, Paul Chapman wrote:

> Michael is very slowly making progress after his heart valve operation


From nathan.crosby at virgin.net  Thu May 28 12:56:58 2009
From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 12:56:58 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] What was eating my HD?
In-Reply-To: <D3A385FB-44EC-4197-9BC2-A4FAC7866073@virgin.net>
References: <D3A385FB-44EC-4197-9BC2-A4FAC7866073@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <6E149ED5-6FE5-4DEA-A1A2-8A4616903D26@virgin.net>

Paul, I was getting similar short of space messages recently and after  
a lot of
searching found that there were two copies of my Aperture library  in  
the pictures folder on my internal hard disk.
Instead of my 5000 pictures my hard disk was trying to cope with 10,000.

  All's well now (I hope)

Nathan


On 28 May 2009, at 12:24, Paul Chapman wrote:

> At last night's meeting I made the embarrassing admittance that I had
> lost track of quite a bit of HD space. Because I have 3 external HDs
> (totalling 2 TB) attached to my iMac I wasn't too worried when I was
> getting low HD space warnings on the main internal drive, I would just
> choose a suitable folder and move it to one of the external drives.
> However, the other day the warning came up a bit too soon after one of
> my moving sessions and I decided to investigate what was using it. A
> straight list of folders gave a total of about 160GB and I knew that
> there would be a few hidden/invisible files but that still left a bit
> unaccounted for. After my memory was jogged it actually left a LOT
> unaccounted for as I remembered that my internal HD was not 250GB but
> 500GB. I used a program called Disk Inventory X which will trawl
> through any selected HD or folder and list everything including all
> hidden files. It gives a listing as well as a very pretty graphical
> display of the results. I found a large folder of files that ended
> in .asl and are probably log files. After deleting most of them I
> freed up an extra...
>
> ...wait for it...
>
> ...280GB!! Slightly embarrassing that I had mislaid that amount
> without knowing.
>
> The next thing to do is monitor this folder and see if these files
> start adding up again and then work out what the problem is that is
> creating them all. At least I don't have to worry about lack of HD
> space for a while.
>
> The program I used can be freely downloaded at  <http://
> www.derlien.com/>
>
> Paul C
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Thu May 28 16:09:34 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 16:09:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Yahoo Address book synchronisation
Message-ID: <7AB1316C-074D-4BF5-A40B-EA30CBA73C6F@durrant.co.uk>

Someone at the meeting asked about synchronising Yahoo address book  
with the Mac address book. I thought this wasn't available, but  
apparently it's there in Mac OS X 10.5.

http://www.zaphu.com/2007/11/01/leopard-tip-sync-mac-address-book-via-yahoo-without-mac/

If it doesn't work for you, let us know where it goes wrong.

Paul



From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Thu May 28 19:25:54 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:25:54 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] What was eating my HD?
In-Reply-To: <D3A385FB-44EC-4197-9BC2-A4FAC7866073@virgin.net>
References: <D3A385FB-44EC-4197-9BC2-A4FAC7866073@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <4A1ED732.2070307@stackyard.org>

Thanks for this Paul.  What a wacky app!  The graphical depiction of 
disk usage is great.  The same information can be obtained using du -sk 
but it's nowhere near as pretty or easy.  The Windows equivalent 
(windirstat) upon which it's based is useful for Windows users.

Thanks again.

Ken

Paul Chapman wrote:
> At last night's meeting I made the embarrassing admittance that I had  
> lost track of quite a bit of HD space. Because I have 3 external HDs  
> (totalling 2 TB) attached to my iMac I wasn't too worried when I was  
> getting low HD space warnings on the main internal drive, I would just  
> choose a suitable folder and move it to one of the external drives.  
> However, the other day the warning came up a bit too soon after one of  
> my moving sessions and I decided to investigate what was using it. A  
> straight list of folders gave a total of about 160GB and I knew that  
> there would be a few hidden/invisible files but that still left a bit  
> unaccounted for. After my memory was jogged it actually left a LOT  
> unaccounted for as I remembered that my internal HD was not 250GB but  
> 500GB. I used a program called Disk Inventory X which will trawl  
> through any selected HD or folder and list everything including all  
> hidden files. It gives a listing as well as a very pretty graphical  
> display of the results. I found a large folder of files that ended  
> in .asl and are probably log files. After deleting most of them I  
> freed up an extra...
>
> ...wait for it...
>
> ...280GB!! Slightly embarrassing that I had mislaid that amount  
> without knowing.
>
> The next thing to do is monitor this folder and see if these files  
> start adding up again and then work out what the problem is that is  
> creating them all. At least I don't have to worry about lack of HD  
> space for a while.
>
> The program I used can be freely downloaded at  <http:// 
> www.derlien.com/>
>
> Paul C
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Thu May 28 20:24:12 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:24:12 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] What was eating my HD?
In-Reply-To: <4A1ED732.2070307@stackyard.org>
References: <D3A385FB-44EC-4197-9BC2-A4FAC7866073@virgin.net>
	<4A1ED732.2070307@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <D7BCBFAD-F39A-4CEB-991B-710AF38A14B6@virgin.net>


> I am having a problem with the link on this email?

Martin


> Paul Chapman wrote:
>> At last night's meeting I made the embarrassing admittance that I had
>> lost track of quite a bit of HD space. Because I have 3 external HDs
>> (totalling 2 TB) attached to my iMac I wasn't too worried when I was
>> getting low HD space warnings on the main internal drive, I would  
>> just
>> choose a suitable folder and move it to one of the external drives.
>> However, the other day the warning came up a bit too soon after  
>> one of
>> my moving sessions and I decided to investigate what was using it. A
>> straight list of folders gave a total of about 160GB and I knew that
>> there would be a few hidden/invisible files but that still left a bit
>> unaccounted for. After my memory was jogged it actually left a LOT
>> unaccounted for as I remembered that my internal HD was not 250GB but
>> 500GB. I used a program called Disk Inventory X which will trawl
>> through any selected HD or folder and list everything including all
>> hidden files. It gives a listing as well as a very pretty graphical
>> display of the results. I found a large folder of files that ended
>> in .asl and are probably log files. After deleting most of them I
>> freed up an extra...
>>
>> ...wait for it...
>>
>> ...280GB!! Slightly embarrassing that I had mislaid that amount
>> without knowing.
>>
>> The next thing to do is monitor this folder and see if these files
>> start adding up again and then work out what the problem is that is
>> creating them all. At least I don't have to worry about lack of HD
>> space for a while.
>>
>> The program I used can be freely downloaded at  <http://
>> www.derlien.com/>
>>
>> Paul C
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From sc at davidviner.com  Thu May 28 20:33:16 2009
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:33:16 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] What was eating my HD?
In-Reply-To: <D7BCBFAD-F39A-4CEB-991B-710AF38A14B6@virgin.net>
References: <D3A385FB-44EC-4197-9BC2-A4FAC7866073@virgin.net>	<4A1ED732.2070307@stackyard.org>
	<D7BCBFAD-F39A-4CEB-991B-710AF38A14B6@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <4A1EE6FC.9050203@davidviner.com>

Martin

Try www.derlien.com instead

(the first link had gained a spurious ">" on the end)

David



Martin Fry wrote:
>> I am having a problem with the link on this email?
>>     
>
> Martin
>
>
>   
>> Paul Chapman wrote:
>>     
>>> At last night's meeting I made the embarrassing admittance that I had
>>> lost track of quite a bit of HD space. Because I have 3 external HDs
>>> (totalling 2 TB) attached to my iMac I wasn't too worried when I was
>>> getting low HD space warnings on the main internal drive, I would  
>>> just
>>> choose a suitable folder and move it to one of the external drives.
>>> However, the other day the warning came up a bit too soon after  
>>> one of
>>> my moving sessions and I decided to investigate what was using it. A
>>> straight list of folders gave a total of about 160GB and I knew that
>>> there would be a few hidden/invisible files but that still left a bit
>>> unaccounted for. After my memory was jogged it actually left a LOT
>>> unaccounted for as I remembered that my internal HD was not 250GB but
>>> 500GB. I used a program called Disk Inventory X which will trawl
>>> through any selected HD or folder and list everything including all
>>> hidden files. It gives a listing as well as a very pretty graphical
>>> display of the results. I found a large folder of files that ended
>>> in .asl and are probably log files. After deleting most of them I
>>> freed up an extra...
>>>
>>> ...wait for it...
>>>
>>> ...280GB!! Slightly embarrassing that I had mislaid that amount
>>> without knowing.
>>>
>>> The next thing to do is monitor this folder and see if these files
>>> start adding up again and then work out what the problem is that is
>>> creating them all. At least I don't have to worry about lack of HD
>>> space for a while.
>>>
>>> The program I used can be freely downloaded at  <http://
>>> www.derlien.com/>
>>>
>>> Paul C
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From kelvinyoungs at mac.com  Thu May 28 20:33:17 2009
From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 20:33:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] What was eating my HD?
In-Reply-To: <D7BCBFAD-F39A-4CEB-991B-710AF38A14B6@virgin.net>
References: <D3A385FB-44EC-4197-9BC2-A4FAC7866073@virgin.net>
	<4A1ED732.2070307@stackyard.org>
	<D7BCBFAD-F39A-4CEB-991B-710AF38A14B6@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <92B58A3F-DF49-4BE3-BEC3-80C65B426B5B@mac.com>

Here you are Martin:

http://www.derlien.com/

On 28 May 2009, at 20:24, Martin Fry wrote:

>
>> I am having a problem with the link on this email?
>
> Martin


From turrethouse at talktalk.net  Thu May 28 15:15:37 2009
From: turrethouse at talktalk.net (hugh morgan)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 15:15:37 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Multiple receipts into Inbox
Message-ID: <a06240800c6442c2b3009@[192.168.1.2]>

Dear All
My Eudora Inbox has suddenly started to fill up with 8-fold or 
10-fold copies of emails, not just new ones but also multiple copies 
of emails already received and dealt with since 17/5/9.
I have looked at settings and checked


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Thu May 28 21:14:38 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 21:14:38 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Multiple receipts into Inbox
In-Reply-To: <a06240800c6442c2b3009@[192.168.1.2]>
References: <a06240800c6442c2b3009@[192.168.1.2]>
Message-ID: <9EC656B5-1A7C-4568-A782-B76B6142F862@durrant.co.uk>

It sounds like it's forgetting which emails have already been  
downloaded. It might be a fault at your service provider, or something  
up with Eudora.

You could try turning on the "delete emails from server after  
downloading" setting (or is it "keep emails on server for 0 days after  
downloading)

Paul


On 28 May 2009, at 15:15, hugh morgan wrote:

> Dear All
> My Eudora Inbox has suddenly started to fill up with 8-fold or
> 10-fold copies of emails, not just new ones but also multiple copies
> of emails already received and dealt with since 17/5/9.
> I have looked at settings and checked



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Thu May 28 22:00:24 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 22:00:24 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] MacUpdate Latest Bundle
Message-ID: <4B0F3642-7993-43D6-84B4-F89F8CAAA1EB@durrant.co.uk>

MacUpdate are doing a new bundle of apps for $49.99

This time the bundle includes TechTool Pro 5 and Parallels Desktop 4  
as well as several DVD-ripping/manipulation applications.

http://www.mupromo.com/deal/852/5801/bundle

regards,

Paul


From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Thu May 28 22:46:33 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 22:46:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Multiple receipts into Inbox
In-Reply-To: <a06240800c6442c2b3009@[192.168.1.2]>
References: <a06240800c6442c2b3009@[192.168.1.2]>
Message-ID: <4A1F0639.5090302@stackyard.org>

Hi Hugh,

Have a look at http://tinyurl.com/7gbzb and see if it's relevant.

Ken

hugh morgan wrote:
> Dear All
> My Eudora Inbox has suddenly started to fill up with 8-fold or 
> 10-fold copies of emails, not just new ones but also multiple copies 
> of emails already received and dealt with since 17/5/9.
> I have looked at settings and checked
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Thu May 28 23:02:13 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 23:02:13 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] MacUpdate Latest Bundle
In-Reply-To: <4B0F3642-7993-43D6-84B4-F89F8CAAA1EB@durrant.co.uk>
References: <4B0F3642-7993-43D6-84B4-F89F8CAAA1EB@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <915B8503-8740-4850-8ED5-A6ECAA7976FC@virgin.net>


On May 28, 2009, at 22:00, Paul Durrant wrote:

> MacUpdate are doing a new bundle of apps for $49.99
> This time the bundle includes TechTool Pro 5 and Parallels Desktop 4
> as well as several DVD-ripping/manipulation applications.

Thank you, after watching these bundles appear I have finally plumped  
for this one. TechTools at the Apple Store costs  ?99.95 so just that  
is a bargain.

Paul C



From david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk  Fri May 29 08:58:29 2009
From: david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk (David Reynolds)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 08:58:29 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] MacUpdate Latest Bundle
In-Reply-To: <4B0F3642-7993-43D6-84B4-F89F8CAAA1EB@durrant.co.uk>
References: <4B0F3642-7993-43D6-84B4-F89F8CAAA1EB@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DF484509-716B-41DD-BED9-332C0A10A2C8@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>


On 28 May 2009, at 22:00, Paul Durrant wrote:

> This time the bundle includes TechTool Pro 5 and Parallels Desktop 4
> as well as several DVD-ripping/manipulation applications.


I think this is worth it just for Parallels for me.

-- 
David Reynolds
david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk







From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk  Fri May 29 12:15:25 2009
From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 12:15:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] MacUpdate Latest Bundle
In-Reply-To: <4B0F3642-7993-43D6-84B4-F89F8CAAA1EB@durrant.co.uk>
References: <4B0F3642-7993-43D6-84B4-F89F8CAAA1EB@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6BFD345C-CAA0-4409-B1F2-CF0D4184FF69@mendelsohn.me.uk>

Hi

I have just downloaded the bundle but cannot access the serial number  
for Tech Tool Pro 5.  I cannot find the link in the receipt to  
download it.  I am not sure where to look.

Thanks for your help

Phyll


On 28 May 2009, at 22:00, Paul Durrant wrote:

> MacUpdate are doing a new bundle of apps for $49.99
>
> This time the bundle includes TechTool Pro 5 and Parallels Desktop 4
> as well as several DVD-ripping/manipulation applications.
>
> http://www.mupromo.com/deal/852/5801/bundle
>
> regards,
>
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Fri May 29 13:14:59 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:14:59 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] MacUpdate Latest Bundle
In-Reply-To: <6BFD345C-CAA0-4409-B1F2-CF0D4184FF69@mendelsohn.me.uk>
References: <4B0F3642-7993-43D6-84B4-F89F8CAAA1EB@durrant.co.uk>
	<6BFD345C-CAA0-4409-B1F2-CF0D4184FF69@mendelsohn.me.uk>
Message-ID: <89CE479D-9C58-48FC-AB64-81DCA6745010@virgin.net>


On May 29, 2009, at 12:15, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote:

> Hi
>
> I have just downloaded the bundle but cannot access the serial number
> for Tech Tool Pro 5.  I cannot find the link in the receipt to
> download it.  I am not sure where to look.

In your confirmation email there is a heading Registration Values.  
Under that you will see TechTool Pro followed by a number.

Paul C


From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk  Fri May 29 13:16:57 2009
From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:16:57 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] MacUpdate Latest Bundle
In-Reply-To: <89CE479D-9C58-48FC-AB64-81DCA6745010@virgin.net>
References: <4B0F3642-7993-43D6-84B4-F89F8CAAA1EB@durrant.co.uk>
	<6BFD345C-CAA0-4409-B1F2-CF0D4184FF69@mendelsohn.me.uk>
	<89CE479D-9C58-48FC-AB64-81DCA6745010@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <44E5A100-ED97-4093-8B77-3FE9F5456870@mendelsohn.me.uk>

Thanks for that Paul, but I never got a confirmation email - so I will  
contact them.

Phyll


On 29 May 2009, at 13:14, Paul Chapman wrote:

>
> On May 29, 2009, at 12:15, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I have just downloaded the bundle but cannot access the serial number
>> for Tech Tool Pro 5.  I cannot find the link in the receipt to
>> download it.  I am not sure where to look.
>
> In your confirmation email there is a heading Registration Values.
> Under that you will see TechTool Pro followed by a number.
>
> Paul C
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



From rachaelandrews at ntlworld.com  Sat May 30 10:40:18 2009
From: rachaelandrews at ntlworld.com (Rachael Andrews)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 10:40:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Power adapter for an ibook g4 ?
Message-ID: <5AF046EA-81B4-422A-BC08-F7181C2F7A0D@ntlworld.com>

Hello folks,

As per subject line, I need a power adapter for my ibook G4. The ibook  
is this one http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/ibook/stats/ibook_g4_1.33_14.html 
, should it make a difference.

Do any of you fine folks have an adapter for said machine for sale ? I  
know I can get one on ebay but I'd prefer to ask here first. Only  
stipulation is that you'd have to be able to take paypal and post it  
out to me, cos us blind bats have transport and mobility issues !

Thanks.

Rachael


From gill at cerise.org.uk  Sat May 30 12:32:56 2009
From: gill at cerise.org.uk (Gill Seyfang)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:32:56 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ibook G4 - resetting the power management unit?
Message-ID: <14E53F71-954E-4F98-A2FA-C302B4923B13@cerise.org.uk>

Hello,

I wonder, can anyone remind me how to reset the PMU in a late 2004  
iBook G4? The Apple support doc gives a key-combination-pressing  
procedure, but that doesn't seem to work.

I remember once Apple tech support telling me another method that DID  
work, which involved removing the battery and doing something else -  
but I can't remember what it was now.

Any advice would be great, thanks,

Gill


From amlucas2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Sat May 30 12:34:43 2009
From: amlucas2003 at yahoo.co.uk (Arthur Lucas)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 12:34:43 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Additional monitor for a MacMini??
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1243681201.32079.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1.1243681201.32079.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <p06240802c646c9281415@[192.168.1.72]>

Is it possible to have a second monitor attached to an original mac mini?
I am using a very satisfactory though old, at least 10 years,  small 
Mac studio display attached through an adaptor, but feel the need for 
an additional monitor.

Model Name:	Mac mini
   Model Identifier:	PowerMac10,1
   Processor Name:	PowerPC G4  (1.2)
   Processor Speed:	1.42 GHz
   Number Of CPUs:	1
   L2 Cache (per CPU):	512 KB
   Memory:	512 MB
   Bus Speed:	167 MHz
   Boot ROM Version:	4.8.9f1
   Serial Number (system):	YM5051HNRHS


-- 



From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Sat May 30 14:00:09 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 14:00:09 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ibook G4 - resetting the power management unit?
In-Reply-To: <14E53F71-954E-4F98-A2FA-C302B4923B13@cerise.org.uk>
Message-ID: <C646EC69.2AB5D%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

Hi Gill
Is this 'resetting the Power Manager'?
I seem to recall Apple TILs relating to unplugging and removiing battery for
a period for some models but you'd have to track down the relevant
instructions.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1431

all the best
Brian

Gill Seyfang said recently:

> Hello,
> 
> I wonder, can anyone remind me how to reset the PMU in a late 2004
> iBook G4? The Apple support doc gives a key-combination-pressing
> procedure, but that doesn't seem to work.
> 
> I remember once Apple tech support telling me another method that DID
> work, which involved removing the battery and doing something else -
> but I can't remember what it was now.
> 
> Any advice would be great, thanks,
> 
> Gill
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From gill at cerise.org.uk  Sun May 31 15:35:58 2009
From: gill at cerise.org.uk (Gill Seyfang)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 15:35:58 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ibook G4 - resetting the power management unit?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1243767601.84379.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.0.1243767601.84379.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <66B51C3C-821F-47F8-93ED-086BBD8DBAE4@cerise.org.uk>

>
Hi Brian,

thanks - yes, this is the article that suggests a key-combo solution,  
but it doesn't mention the battery-removal option for my model. Maybe  
I'll just take the battery out and see if it triggers the memory of  
what do do next!

thanks,

Gill

>
>
> Hi Gill
> Is this 'resetting the Power Manager'?
> I seem to recall Apple TILs relating to unplugging and removiing  
> battery for
> a period for some models but you'd have to track down the relevant
> instructions.
> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1431
>
> all the best
> Brian
>
> Gill Seyfang said recently:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I wonder, can anyone remind me how to reset the PMU in a late 2004
>> iBook G4? The Apple support doc gives a key-combination-pressing
>> procedure, but that doesn't seem to work.
>>
>> I remember once Apple tech support telling me another method that DID
>> work, which involved removing the battery and doing something else -
>> but I can't remember what it was now.
>>
>> Any advice would be great, thanks,
>>
>> Gill
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

****************************
www.cerise.org.uk







From macman at f2s.com  Sun May 31 20:10:32 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 20:10:32 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Free to a good home!
Message-ID: <9E439975-4CF9-418F-B2F7-CBA79B7502CE@f2s.com>

I recently bought a Belkin TuneTalk microphone for in the expectation  
of being able to record directly to my iPod, only to discover on  
arrival that it won't work with mine, as it's compatible only with  
iPods up to Gen4, (Gen5 and later use the newer stereo version), so  
it's brand new and unused.

If anyone would like it, just holler .....

http://tinyurl.com/mq3ea9

Robbie


Robbie Murray
01603 620749
01603 516175
07882 007667
macman at f2s.com
www.owlbarn.co.uk



From nathan.crosby at virgin.net  Sun May 31 21:29:14 2009
From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:29:14 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Apple
Message-ID: <B607A072-7278-43A0-B203-A5061F32F312@virgin.net>

Does anyone use AppleTV?
I wondered if it was worth getting.

Nathan


From david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk  Sun May 31 21:49:07 2009
From: david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk (David Reynolds)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:49:07 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Apple
In-Reply-To: <B607A072-7278-43A0-B203-A5061F32F312@virgin.net>
References: <B607A072-7278-43A0-B203-A5061F32F312@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <BC21156C-6D3B-4DFA-9375-5903525BCD93@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>

Nathan,

On 31 May 2009, at 21:29, nathan crosby wrote:

> Does anyone use AppleTV?
> I wondered if it was worth getting.


I've got one.  I think it depends on what you want it for.  If you use  
iTunes a lot to watch videos or download a lot of video podcasts (as I  
do) then it is great.

Thanks,

David

-- 
David Reynolds
david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk







From ghowells at f2s.com  Sun May 31 22:10:25 2009
From: ghowells at f2s.com (G.Howells)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:10:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Microsoft .docx
Message-ID: <a06240801c648a0fea782@[192.168.2.3]>

Hello everyone.

	I've just received a newsletter in .docx format which, I 
gather, is not backwardly compatible, so that although I have 
Microsoft Office and various converters in AppleWorks which is my 
usual word processor, etc., neither will open .docx though they 
happily coped with .doc (without the x) files in which I received the 
previous newsletter.
	I have tried downloading a widget and also an application 
that are supposed to do the trick but neither has worked. Has anyone 
a suggestion (apart from asking the sender to send again as .doc , 
which I have already done; but this promises to be an increasing 
problem as more people get the 2007 Microsoft program with .docx 
files.)

Gordon.


From p.hunter at ntlworld.com  Sun May 31 22:18:17 2009
From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:18:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Microsoft .docx
In-Reply-To: <a06240801c648a0fea782@[192.168.2.3]>
References: <a06240801c648a0fea782@[192.168.2.3]>
Message-ID: <6CA89FE7-EFB9-450A-A158-D51344DADA72@ntlworld.com>

Hi Gordon,

I'm not sure if the latest Open Office will read these. As it's free  
it may be worth checking it out. I think they are at 'openoffice.org'  
but not certain.

failing that, I have MS Office 2008, so if you want to email me the  
newsletter I can convert it for you.

Regards

Peter


On 31 May 2009, at 22:10, G.Howells wrote:

> Hello everyone.
>
> 	I've just received a newsletter in .docx format which, I
> gather, is not backwardly compatible, so that although I have
> Microsoft Office and various converters in AppleWorks which is my
> usual word processor, etc., neither will open .docx though they
> happily coped with .doc (without the x) files in which I received the
> previous newsletter.
> 	I have tried downloading a widget and also an application
> that are supposed to do the trick but neither has worked. Has anyone
> a suggestion (apart from asking the sender to send again as .doc ,
> which I have already done; but this promises to be an increasing
> problem as more people get the 2007 Microsoft program with .docx
> files.)
>
> Gordon.
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From macman at f2s.com  Sun May 31 22:20:41 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:20:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Microsoft .docx
In-Reply-To: <a06240801c648a0fea782@[192.168.2.3]>
References: <a06240801c648a0fea782@[192.168.2.3]>
Message-ID: <23DD2EA7-7555-4CD6-BD0D-E8723F4EAE27@f2s.com>

Hi Gordon

have you tried Microsoft's own official solution?

http://tinyurl.com/6kpynh

Robbie


On 31 May 2009, at 22:10, G.Howells wrote:

Hello everyone.

	I've just received a newsletter in .docx format which, I
gather, is not backwardly compatible, so that although I have
Microsoft Office and various converters in AppleWorks which is my
usual word processor, etc., neither will open .docx though they
happily coped with .doc (without the x) files in which I received the
previous newsletter.
	I have tried downloading a widget and also an application
that are supposed to do the trick but neither has worked. Has anyone
a suggestion (apart from asking the sender to send again as .doc ,
which I have already done; but this promises to be an increasing
problem as more people get the 2007 Microsoft program with .docx
files.)

Gordon.
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From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Sun May 31 22:21:32 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:21:32 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Microsoft .docx
In-Reply-To: <a06240801c648a0fea782@[192.168.2.3]>
References: <a06240801c648a0fea782@[192.168.2.3]>
Message-ID: <4F7EF54B-17CE-4300-810D-059D5FB6A45E@virgin.net>


On May 31, 2009, at 22:10, G.Howells wrote:

>  Has anyone
> a suggestion (apart from asking the sender to send again as .doc ,

iWork will be able to deal with it. If you don't have it then download  
the 30 day trial version.

Paul C



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun May 31 22:22:12 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:22:12 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Microsoft .docx
In-Reply-To: <6CA89FE7-EFB9-450A-A158-D51344DADA72@ntlworld.com>
References: <a06240801c648a0fea782@[192.168.2.3]>
	<6CA89FE7-EFB9-450A-A158-D51344DADA72@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <AEC28D5D-354D-4936-87EC-DCCC573374ED@simonroyal.co.uk>

Gordon

I am sure Bean can handle them.

http://www.bean-osx.com/Bean.html

I got a DOCX file a few days ago and opened it with it.

Also as Peter says I am sure OpenOffice does it. Also NeoOffice was  
the first Mac app to be able to handle them (even before Word on the  
Mac could).

Simon

On 31 May 2009, at 22:18, Peter Hunter wrote:

> Hi Gordon,
>
> I'm not sure if the latest Open Office will read these. As it's free
> it may be worth checking it out. I think they are at 'openoffice.org'
> but not certain.
>
> failing that, I have MS Office 2008, so if you want to email me the
> newsletter I can convert it for you.
>
> Regards
>
> Peter
>
>
> On 31 May 2009, at 22:10, G.Howells wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone.
>>
>> 	I've just received a newsletter in .docx format which, I
>> gather, is not backwardly compatible, so that although I have
>> Microsoft Office and various converters in AppleWorks which is my
>> usual word processor, etc., neither will open .docx though they
>> happily coped with .doc (without the x) files in which I received the
>> previous newsletter.
>> 	I have tried downloading a widget and also an application
>> that are supposed to do the trick but neither has worked. Has anyone
>> a suggestion (apart from asking the sender to send again as .doc ,
>> which I have already done; but this promises to be an increasing
>> problem as more people get the 2007 Microsoft program with .docx
>> files.)
>>
>> Gordon.
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
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> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

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From macman at f2s.com  Sun May 31 22:23:05 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:23:05 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Microsoft .docx
In-Reply-To: <23DD2EA7-7555-4CD6-BD0D-E8723F4EAE27@f2s.com>
References: <a06240801c648a0fea782@[192.168.2.3]>
	<23DD2EA7-7555-4CD6-BD0D-E8723F4EAE27@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <6E23E763-E361-46A6-AD10-2C903C75A80D@f2s.com>

Sorry Gordon - just realised you don't have Office, which is necessary  
for this fix ...


On 31 May 2009, at 22:20, Robbie Murray wrote:

Hi Gordon

have you tried Microsoft's own official solution?

http://tinyurl.com/6kpynh

Robbie


On 31 May 2009, at 22:10, G.Howells wrote:

Hello everyone.

	I've just received a newsletter in .docx format which, I
gather, is not backwardly compatible, so that although I have
Microsoft Office and various converters in AppleWorks which is my
usual word processor, etc., neither will open .docx though they
happily coped with .doc (without the x) files in which I received the
previous newsletter.
	I have tried downloading a widget and also an application
that are supposed to do the trick but neither has worked. Has anyone
a suggestion (apart from asking the sender to send again as .doc ,
which I have already done; but this promises to be an increasing
problem as more people get the 2007 Microsoft program with .docx
files.)

Gordon.
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From rob at atvetsystems.com  Sun May 31 22:21:47 2009
From: rob at atvetsystems.com (Robert Tillyard)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:21:47 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Apple
In-Reply-To: <B607A072-7278-43A0-B203-A5061F32F312@virgin.net>
References: <B607A072-7278-43A0-B203-A5061F32F312@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <0FE3A302-C501-4A59-981F-4C7A7C7156CA@atvetsystems.com>

I record a lot of TV on an Elgato EyeTV 410 unit which I then export  
to iTunes and watch via AppleTV. It's also good for watching Video  
Podcasts.

Regards, Rob.

On 31 May 2009, at 21:29, nathan crosby wrote:

> Does anyone use AppleTV?
> I wondered if it was worth getting.
>
> Nathan


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun May 31 22:43:00 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:43:00 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] On The Scrounge
Message-ID: <EF729172-D12F-4494-A2AD-27DE122584E4@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I am on the scrounge for your computing scraps - as usual. I am  
putting together a PC for my 15 year old neice who is doing her GCSEs.  
She was given a basic PC tower and monitor. It is a healthy 700Mhz AMD  
Duron processor, but lacking in anything else. So if anyone has any  
bits and pieces going spare she would very much appreciate them.

Currently I managed to dig out of my spares, 128MB of PC133 RAM, a  
10GB hard drive and a CD-ROM. It is running Windows XP, but it is  
painfully slow at the mo.

It only has two RAM slots, so if anyone has a couple of 'generic, PC,  
nothing special' 256MB sticks that would be amazing. Also if anyone  
has a 20GB or more hard drive I could stick in as a second drive that  
would be great. The optical drive is fine unless anyone has a CDRW or  
DVD drive going spare, but our main aim is to get it running a bit  
faster so it is actually useable.

I hope you can help.

Regards

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Sun May 31 23:21:50 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 23:21:50 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] On The Scrounge
In-Reply-To: <EF729172-D12F-4494-A2AD-27DE122584E4@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <EF729172-D12F-4494-A2AD-27DE122584E4@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A2302FE.4090803@stackyard.org>

Simon,

What's the motherboard make/model (if it's visible)?  I probably have 
some stuff you could use.

Ken

Simon Royal wrote:
> Hi
>
> I am on the scrounge for your computing scraps - as usual. I am  
> putting together a PC for my 15 year old neice who is doing her GCSEs.  
> She was given a basic PC tower and monitor. It is a healthy 700Mhz AMD  
> Duron processor, but lacking in anything else. So if anyone has any  
> bits and pieces going spare she would very much appreciate them.
>
> Currently I managed to dig out of my spares, 128MB of PC133 RAM, a  
> 10GB hard drive and a CD-ROM. It is running Windows XP, but it is  
> painfully slow at the mo.
>
> It only has two RAM slots, so if anyone has a couple of 'generic, PC,  
> nothing special' 256MB sticks that would be amazing. Also if anyone  
> has a 20GB or more hard drive I could stick in as a second drive that  
> would be great. The optical drive is fine unless anyone has a CDRW or  
> DVD drive going spare, but our main aim is to get it running a bit  
> faster so it is actually useable.
>
> I hope you can help.
>
> Regards
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Sun May 31 23:40:34 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 23:40:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Microsoft .docx
In-Reply-To: <a06240801c648a0fea782@[192.168.2.3]>
References: <a06240801c648a0fea782@[192.168.2.3]>
Message-ID: <4A230762.3060405@stackyard.org>

He did say he had Office, Robbie so your link is correct although it 
looks they have updated it recently.  The XML converter is now up to 
level 1.0.2.  I don't know how this differs from version 1.  It requires 
the use of Office 2004 11.4.0 or later, or Office v. X 10.1.9 or later.  
Gordon, you don't mention which version of Office you have.  Also, what 
widget and application have you downloaded?

You can find the converter at http://tinyurl.com/mwlz3k.  Failing that, 
OpenOffice can do it but as you already have Office, you might as well 
use the MS fix rather than go down the route of using yet another 
application.

Regards,

Ken

P.S.  I find it very frustrating when people send documents in any word 
processor's native format.  Everyone should send documentation in PDF 
unless the recipient is expected to edit it.  Tell whoever sent you your 
newsletter to convert it to PDF next time so that anyone can read it.

G.Howells wrote:
> Hello everyone.
>
> 	I've just received a newsletter in .docx format which, I 
> gather, is not backwardly compatible, so that although I have 
> Microsoft Office and various converters in AppleWorks which is my 
> usual word processor, etc., neither will open .docx though they 
> happily coped with .doc (without the x) files in which I received the 
> previous newsletter.
> 	I have tried downloading a widget and also an application 
> that are supposed to do the trick but neither has worked. Has anyone 
> a suggestion (apart from asking the sender to send again as .doc , 
> which I have already done; but this promises to be an increasing 
> problem as more people get the 2007 Microsoft program with .docx 
> files.)
>
> Gordon.
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk  Sun May 31 22:07:17 2009
From: footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk (joe butler)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:07:17 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NMUG] Apple
Message-ID: <597171.33765.qm@web26706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>



Cheap and Free mobile phones  http://www.nimrod.2u.co.uk  ?  Iphone and Ipod Insurance   http://nimrod.2u.co.uk/insurance  ?  Get your own FREE mobile phones sales website  http://nimrod.2uaffiliates.com/join/  ?  ?  ?  ?

--- On Sun, 31/5/09, joe butler <footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

From: joe butler <footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [NMUG] Apple
To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Date: Sunday, 31 May, 2009, 9:32 PM

Better to spend a few more ?? and get a mac mini, Offers a lot more options
Joe

Cheap and Free mobile phones  http://www.nimrod.2u.co.uk  ?  Iphone and Ipod Insurance   http://nimrod.2u.co.uk/insurance  ?  Get your own FREE mobile phones sales website  http://nimrod.2uaffiliates.com/join/  ?  ?  ?  ?

--- On Sun, 31/5/09, nathan crosby <nathan.crosby at virgin.net> wrote:

From: nathan crosby <nathan.crosby at virgin.net>
Subject: [NMUG] Apple
To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Date: Sunday, 31 May, 2009, 9:29 PM

Does anyone use AppleTV?
I wondered if it was worth getting.

Nathan
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From footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk  Sun May 31 21:32:37 2009
From: footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk (joe butler)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 20:32:37 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NMUG] Apple
Message-ID: <535963.91344.qm@web26703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Better to spend a few more ?? and get a mac mini, Offers a lot more options
Joe

Cheap and Free mobile phones  http://www.nimrod.2u.co.uk  ?  Iphone and Ipod Insurance   http://nimrod.2u.co.uk/insurance  ?  Get your own FREE mobile phones sales website  http://nimrod.2uaffiliates.com/join/  ?  ?  ?  ?

--- On Sun, 31/5/09, nathan crosby <nathan.crosby at virgin.net> wrote:

From: nathan crosby <nathan.crosby at virgin.net>
Subject: [NMUG] Apple
To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Date: Sunday, 31 May, 2009, 9:29 PM

Does anyone use AppleTV?
I wondered if it was worth getting.

Nathan
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