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From: footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk (joe butler)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 06:32:23 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NMUG] On The Scrounge
Message-ID: <660440.54711.qm@web26708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

I will have a dig about, i have a far few PC bits

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--- On Sun, 31/5/09, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:

From: Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
Subject: [NMUG] On The Scrounge
To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
Date: Sunday, 31 May, 2009, 10:43 PM

Hi

I am on the scrounge for your computing scraps - as usual. I am? 
putting together a PC for my 15 year old neice who is doing her GCSEs.? 
She was given a basic PC tower and monitor. It is a healthy 700Mhz AMD? 
Duron processor, but lacking in anything else. So if anyone has any? 
bits and pieces going spare she would very much appreciate them.

Currently I managed to dig out of my spares, 128MB of PC133 RAM, a? 
10GB hard drive and a CD-ROM. It is running Windows XP, but it is? 
painfully slow at the mo.

It only has two RAM slots, so if anyone has a couple of 'generic, PC,? 
nothing special' 256MB sticks that would be amazing. Also if anyone? 
has a 20GB or more hard drive I could stick in as a second drive that? 
would be great. The optical drive is fine unless anyone has a CDRW or? 
DVD drive going spare, but our main aim is to get it running a bit? 
faster so it is actually useable.

I hope you can help.

Regards

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on? 
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,? 
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)




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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Jun  1 08:25:23 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 08:25:23 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Additional monitor for a MacMini??
In-Reply-To: <p06240802c646c9281415@[192.168.1.72]>
References: <mailman.1.1243681201.32079.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<p06240802c646c9281415@[192.168.1.72]>
Message-ID: <C717A9D1-104D-4CE3-AD60-B555A90CAB1E@durrant.co.uk>

I can't think of any way you could do this. You can't add another  
video card, and the built-in video only has one monitor port.

Paul

On 30 May 2009, at 12:34, Arthur Lucas wrote:

> Is it possible to have a second monitor attached to an original mac  
> mini?
> I am using a very satisfactory though old, at least 10 years,  small
> Mac studio display attached through an adaptor, but feel the need for
> an additional monitor.



From h.tamplin at btinternet.com  Mon Jun  1 09:05:09 2009
From: h.tamplin at btinternet.com (Heather Tamplin)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:05:09 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] On The Scrounge
In-Reply-To: <EF729172-D12F-4494-A2AD-27DE122584E4@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <EF729172-D12F-4494-A2AD-27DE122584E4@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <442090C6-9C68-4BF5-B29A-6BEEB148A7C9@btinternet.com>

Hi Simon
I bought  1GB of PC133 ram for the flower power imac but it didnt  
work - would happily let you have for the ?27 I paid for it- any good

Heather


On 31 May 2009, at 22:43, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> I am on the scrounge for your computing scraps - as usual. I am
> putting together a PC for my 15 year old neice who is doing her GCSEs.
> She was given a basic PC tower and monitor. It is a healthy 700Mhz AMD
> Duron processor, but lacking in anything else. So if anyone has any
> bits and pieces going spare she would very much appreciate them.
>
> Currently I managed to dig out of my spares, 128MB of PC133 RAM, a
> 10GB hard drive and a CD-ROM. It is running Windows XP, but it is
> painfully slow at the mo.
>
> It only has two RAM slots, so if anyone has a couple of 'generic, PC,
> nothing special' 256MB sticks that would be amazing. Also if anyone
> has a 20GB or more hard drive I could stick in as a second drive that
> would be great. The optical drive is fine unless anyone has a CDRW or
> DVD drive going spare, but our main aim is to get it running a bit
> faster so it is actually useable.
>
> I hope you can help.
>
> Regards
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

Heather Tamplin

www.heathertamplin.co.uk

"Art is the only way to run away without leaving home."
Twyla Tharp






From nathan.crosby at virgin.net  Mon Jun  1 09:39:34 2009
From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:39:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Apple TV
In-Reply-To: <BC21156C-6D3B-4DFA-9375-5903525BCD93@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>
References: <B607A072-7278-43A0-B203-A5061F32F312@virgin.net>
	<BC21156C-6D3B-4DFA-9375-5903525BCD93@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>
Message-ID: <7FB68B43-EAFF-4107-BEFF-E322CB2F60AD@virgin.net>

I've looked at the Apple website but can't quite work out what it does.
Am I right in thinking that you  plug it in to your HDMI TV and
it can can then receive any file that is on your  distant Mac hard disk?

regards Nathan


On 31 May 2009, at 21:49, David Reynolds wrote:

> Nathan,
>
> On 31 May 2009, at 21:29, nathan crosby wrote:
>
>> Does anyone use AppleTV?
>> I wondered if it was worth getting.
>
>
> I've got one.  I think it depends on what you want it for.  If you use
> iTunes a lot to watch videos or download a lot of video podcasts (as I
> do) then it is great.
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
> -- 
> David Reynolds
> david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk
>
>
>
>
>
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Jun  1 09:56:50 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:56:50 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] On The Scrounge
In-Reply-To: <442090C6-9C68-4BF5-B29A-6BEEB148A7C9@btinternet.com>
References: <EF729172-D12F-4494-A2AD-27DE122584E4@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<442090C6-9C68-4BF5-B29A-6BEEB148A7C9@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <5E94F216-C6E6-4B9A-A935-2D9C70979AEB@simonroyal.co.uk>

Heather

Thanks for the offer, but it only takes 256MB sticks as far as I can  
see.

Simon

On 1 Jun 2009, at 09:05, Heather Tamplin wrote:

> Hi Simon
> I bought  1GB of PC133 ram for the flower power imac but it didnt
> work - would happily let you have for the ?27 I paid for it- any good
>
> Heather
>
>
> On 31 May 2009, at 22:43, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I am on the scrounge for your computing scraps - as usual. I am
>> putting together a PC for my 15 year old neice who is doing her  
>> GCSEs.
>> She was given a basic PC tower and monitor. It is a healthy 700Mhz  
>> AMD
>> Duron processor, but lacking in anything else. So if anyone has any
>> bits and pieces going spare she would very much appreciate them.
>>
>> Currently I managed to dig out of my spares, 128MB of PC133 RAM, a
>> 10GB hard drive and a CD-ROM. It is running Windows XP, but it is
>> painfully slow at the mo.
>>
>> It only has two RAM slots, so if anyone has a couple of 'generic, PC,
>> nothing special' 256MB sticks that would be amazing. Also if anyone
>> has a 20GB or more hard drive I could stick in as a second drive that
>> would be great. The optical drive is fine unless anyone has a CDRW or
>> DVD drive going spare, but our main aim is to get it running a bit
>> faster so it is actually useable.
>>
>> I hope you can help.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> Heather Tamplin
>
> www.heathertamplin.co.uk
>
> "Art is the only way to run away without leaving home."
> Twyla Tharp
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From munkt0n at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 09:58:20 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 09:58:20 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Apple TV
In-Reply-To: <7FB68B43-EAFF-4107-BEFF-E322CB2F60AD@virgin.net>
References: <B607A072-7278-43A0-B203-A5061F32F312@virgin.net>
	<BC21156C-6D3B-4DFA-9375-5903525BCD93@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>
	<7FB68B43-EAFF-4107-BEFF-E322CB2F60AD@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0906010158l142d013ew8588b4b51899dfe2@mail.gmail.com>

yes, that's about it.

you can sync it to one specific Mac, and you can stream audio, movies
photos etc from up to 5 other Macs. I tend to use my PS3 for streaming
movies (it can handle a wider range of video formats) and use the
AppleTV for playing music remotely.

A handy little app called 'airfoil' will let you stream any audio from
any app to your AppleTV, normally you're limited to iTunes.

On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Nathan Crosby <nathan.crosby at virgin.net> wrote:
> I've looked at the Apple website but can't quite work out what it does.
> Am I right in thinking that you ?plug it in to your HDMI TV and
> it can can then receive any file that is on your ?distant Mac hard disk?
>
> regards Nathan
>
>


From amlucas2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jun  1 10:10:53 2009
From: amlucas2003 at yahoo.co.uk (Arthur Lucas)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:10:53 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] additional monitor for mac-mini
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1283.1243846615.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1283.1243846615.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <p06240800c6494aa517f4@[192.168.1.72]>

Thanks Paul.
That is what I thought, and your confirmation has stopped me chasing this.
Arthur

>I can't think of any way you could do this. You can't add another 
>video card, and the built-in video only has one monitor port.
>
>Paul
>
>On 30 May 2009, at 12:34, Arthur Lucas wrote:
>
>>  Is it possible to have a second monitor attached to an original mac 
>>  mini?
>>  I am using a very satisfactory though old, at least 10 years,  small
>>  Mac studio display attached through an adaptor, but feel the need for
>>  an additional monitor.
>
>
>------------------------------

-- 
Prof A M Lucas AO CBE
16 Downham Crescent
Wymondham NR18 0SF
01953 602214



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Jun  1 10:14:55 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:14:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] On The Scrounge
In-Reply-To: <4A2302FE.4090803@stackyard.org>
References: <EF729172-D12F-4494-A2AD-27DE122584E4@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4A2302FE.4090803@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <E20BA5DA-FE66-4D43-8E79-50157607EF02@simonroyal.co.uk>

Ken

I am not quite sure. She lives in Norwich so I will check next time I  
go over or ask her to. I think it is an SiS, unless that is just the  
graphics chip.

Simon

On 31 May 2009, at 23:21, Ken Hamer wrote:

> Simon,
>
> What's the motherboard make/model (if it's visible)?  I probably have
> some stuff you could use.
>
> Ken
>
> Simon Royal wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> I am on the scrounge for your computing scraps - as usual. I am
>> putting together a PC for my 15 year old neice who is doing her  
>> GCSEs.
>> She was given a basic PC tower and monitor. It is a healthy 700Mhz  
>> AMD
>> Duron processor, but lacking in anything else. So if anyone has any
>> bits and pieces going spare she would very much appreciate them.
>>
>> Currently I managed to dig out of my spares, 128MB of PC133 RAM, a
>> 10GB hard drive and a CD-ROM. It is running Windows XP, but it is
>> painfully slow at the mo.
>>
>> It only has two RAM slots, so if anyone has a couple of 'generic, PC,
>> nothing special' 256MB sticks that would be amazing. Also if anyone
>> has a 20GB or more hard drive I could stick in as a second drive that
>> would be great. The optical drive is fine unless anyone has a CDRW or
>> DVD drive going spare, but our main aim is to get it running a bit
>> faster so it is actually useable.
>>
>> I hope you can help.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From rachaelandrews at ntlworld.com  Mon Jun  1 10:33:12 2009
From: rachaelandrews at ntlworld.com (Rachael Andrews)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:33:12 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Apple TV
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0906010158l142d013ew8588b4b51899dfe2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B607A072-7278-43A0-B203-A5061F32F312@virgin.net>
	<BC21156C-6D3B-4DFA-9375-5903525BCD93@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>
	<7FB68B43-EAFF-4107-BEFF-E322CB2F60AD@virgin.net>
	<ac224bde0906010158l142d013ew8588b4b51899dfe2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AA2325EB-1E47-4DE1-8964-0D75DE57EC51@ntlworld.com>


On 1 Jun 2009, at 09:58, Scott Matthews wrote:
>
> A handy little app called 'airfoil' will let you stream any audio from
> any app to your AppleTV, normally you're limited to iTunes.

Unless you install something like xbmc on your appletv (http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/01/boxee-xbMc-now-available-on-apple-tv/ 
), in which case you'll get a range of audio and video you might not  
be able to do with the appletv syncing or streaming from itunes. XBMC  
works with smb shares so any file the client app (i.e. xbmc) can play  
is sharable / streamable, as opposed to only those formats allowed by  
itunes.

I splurged on atvflash http://www.atvflash.com/product_info.php?products_id=27 
  which did all the messing about for me, so my appletv now doens't  
have to sync with itunes and thus I don't have to convert my eyetv  
recordings - xmbc will play them without conversion.
I also have a mac mini running FrontRow with the Sapphire plugin  
(Google should turn it up) to handle more file formats and organise  
things better than FrontRow does - and sometimes Plex (beautiful app,  
very powerful, not remotely accessible to people with visual  
impairments, but that won't bother most people).
Comparing the two machines - mac mini with FrontRow or Plex versus  
Appletv with XBMC, I have to come down on the side of the mac mini,  
unless you want to rent high def stuff easily from a full screen  
interface. Then the atv wins hands down IMHO with no alterations. On  
the other hand, xbmc on the appletv isn't quite as polished and  
fucntional as Plex on a mac mini  - for example the bbc iplayer  
integration isn't as good.

All IMHO of course.

Rachael


From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Mon Jun  1 10:33:51 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 10:33:51 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] On The Scrounge
In-Reply-To: <E20BA5DA-FE66-4D43-8E79-50157607EF02@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <EF729172-D12F-4494-A2AD-27DE122584E4@simonroyal.co.uk>	<4A2302FE.4090803@stackyard.org>
	<E20BA5DA-FE66-4D43-8E79-50157607EF02@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A23A07F.2060301@stackyard.org>

SiS will be the chipset make.  The motherboard manufacturer will be 
something else.  The manufacturer is hardly ever printed on the 
motherboard.  Even the model is sometimes not there.  But there will 
probably be some string of characters in the silkscreen of the PCB - 
sometimes obscured under cables.  Send me whatever you can find.  RAM 
architectures keep changing so without knowing the model, it's difficult 
to know which it uses.  You seem to suspect it's PC133 which is VERY 
old.  Have you seen the RAM in the machine?

Ken

Simon Royal wrote:
> Ken
>
> I am not quite sure. She lives in Norwich so I will check next time I  
> go over or ask her to. I think it is an SiS, unless that is just the  
> graphics chip.
>
> Simon
>
> On 31 May 2009, at 23:21, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
>   
>> Simon,
>>
>> What's the motherboard make/model (if it's visible)?  I probably have
>> some stuff you could use.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I am on the scrounge for your computing scraps - as usual. I am
>>> putting together a PC for my 15 year old neice who is doing her  
>>> GCSEs.
>>> She was given a basic PC tower and monitor. It is a healthy 700Mhz  
>>> AMD
>>> Duron processor, but lacking in anything else. So if anyone has any
>>> bits and pieces going spare she would very much appreciate them.
>>>
>>> Currently I managed to dig out of my spares, 128MB of PC133 RAM, a
>>> 10GB hard drive and a CD-ROM. It is running Windows XP, but it is
>>> painfully slow at the mo.
>>>
>>> It only has two RAM slots, so if anyone has a couple of 'generic, PC,
>>> nothing special' 256MB sticks that would be amazing. Also if anyone
>>> has a 20GB or more hard drive I could stick in as a second drive that
>>> would be great. The optical drive is fine unless anyone has a CDRW or
>>> DVD drive going spare, but our main aim is to get it running a bit
>>> faster so it is actually useable.
>>>
>>> I hope you can help.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Simon Royal
>>> ---
>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>     
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Jun  1 10:37:01 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:37:01 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] On The Scrounge
In-Reply-To: <4A23A07F.2060301@stackyard.org>
References: <EF729172-D12F-4494-A2AD-27DE122584E4@simonroyal.co.uk>	<4A2302FE.4090803@stackyard.org>
	<E20BA5DA-FE66-4D43-8E79-50157607EF02@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4A23A07F.2060301@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <ED5B65A1-9890-4DEE-87F2-1D78DE2D916A@simonroyal.co.uk>

Ken

Yes, I have been inside the machine. It is definitely a stick of PC133  
in there.

It has a Socket A motherboard with an AMD Duron chip on it.

Simon

On 1 Jun 2009, at 10:33, Ken Hamer wrote:

> SiS will be the chipset make.  The motherboard manufacturer will be
> something else.  The manufacturer is hardly ever printed on the
> motherboard.  Even the model is sometimes not there.  But there will
> probably be some string of characters in the silkscreen of the PCB -
> sometimes obscured under cables.  Send me whatever you can find.  RAM
> architectures keep changing so without knowing the model, it's  
> difficult
> to know which it uses.  You seem to suspect it's PC133 which is VERY
> old.  Have you seen the RAM in the machine?
>
> Ken
>
> Simon Royal wrote:
>> Ken
>>
>> I am not quite sure. She lives in Norwich so I will check next time I
>> go over or ask her to. I think it is an SiS, unless that is just the
>> graphics chip.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> On 31 May 2009, at 23:21, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Simon,
>>>
>>> What's the motherboard make/model (if it's visible)?  I probably  
>>> have
>>> some stuff you could use.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> I am on the scrounge for your computing scraps - as usual. I am
>>>> putting together a PC for my 15 year old neice who is doing her
>>>> GCSEs.
>>>> She was given a basic PC tower and monitor. It is a healthy 700Mhz
>>>> AMD
>>>> Duron processor, but lacking in anything else. So if anyone has any
>>>> bits and pieces going spare she would very much appreciate them.
>>>>
>>>> Currently I managed to dig out of my spares, 128MB of PC133 RAM, a
>>>> 10GB hard drive and a CD-ROM. It is running Windows XP, but it is
>>>> painfully slow at the mo.
>>>>
>>>> It only has two RAM slots, so if anyone has a couple of 'generic,  
>>>> PC,
>>>> nothing special' 256MB sticks that would be amazing. Also if anyone
>>>> has a 20GB or more hard drive I could stick in as a second drive  
>>>> that
>>>> would be great. The optical drive is fine unless anyone has a  
>>>> CDRW or
>>>> DVD drive going spare, but our main aim is to get it running a bit
>>>> faster so it is actually useable.
>>>>
>>>> I hope you can help.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Simon Royal
>>>> ---
>>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From nathan.crosby at virgin.net  Mon Jun  1 10:41:38 2009
From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:41:38 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Apple TV
In-Reply-To: <AA2325EB-1E47-4DE1-8964-0D75DE57EC51@ntlworld.com>
References: <B607A072-7278-43A0-B203-A5061F32F312@virgin.net>
	<BC21156C-6D3B-4DFA-9375-5903525BCD93@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>
	<7FB68B43-EAFF-4107-BEFF-E322CB2F60AD@virgin.net>
	<ac224bde0906010158l142d013ew8588b4b51899dfe2@mail.gmail.com>
	<AA2325EB-1E47-4DE1-8964-0D75DE57EC51@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <554EC835-641B-4F65-A4B9-136D8BFC5F65@virgin.net>

Thanks Rachael

Nathan


On 1 Jun 2009, at 10:33, Rachael Andrews wrote:

>
> On 1 Jun 2009, at 09:58, Scott Matthews wrote:
>>
>> A handy little app called 'airfoil' will let you stream any audio  
>> from
>> any app to your AppleTV, normally you're limited to iTunes.
>
> Unless you install something like xbmc on your appletv (http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/01/boxee-xbMc-now-available-on-apple-tv/
> ), in which case you'll get a range of audio and video you might not
> be able to do with the appletv syncing or streaming from itunes. XBMC
> works with smb shares so any file the client app (i.e. xbmc) can play
> is sharable / streamable, as opposed to only those formats allowed by
> itunes.
>
> I splurged on atvflash http://www.atvflash.com/product_info.php?products_id=27
>  which did all the messing about for me, so my appletv now doens't
> have to sync with itunes and thus I don't have to convert my eyetv
> recordings - xmbc will play them without conversion.
> I also have a mac mini running FrontRow with the Sapphire plugin
> (Google should turn it up) to handle more file formats and organise
> things better than FrontRow does - and sometimes Plex (beautiful app,
> very powerful, not remotely accessible to people with visual
> impairments, but that won't bother most people).
> Comparing the two machines - mac mini with FrontRow or Plex versus
> Appletv with XBMC, I have to come down on the side of the mac mini,
> unless you want to rent high def stuff easily from a full screen
> interface. Then the atv wins hands down IMHO with no alterations. On
> the other hand, xbmc on the appletv isn't quite as polished and
> fucntional as Plex on a mac mini  - for example the bbc iplayer
> integration isn't as good.
>
> All IMHO of course.
>
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From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Mon Jun  1 11:27:53 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 11:27:53 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] On The Scrounge
In-Reply-To: <ED5B65A1-9890-4DEE-87F2-1D78DE2D916A@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <EF729172-D12F-4494-A2AD-27DE122584E4@simonroyal.co.uk>	<4A2302FE.4090803@stackyard.org>	<E20BA5DA-FE66-4D43-8E79-50157607EF02@simonroyal.co.uk>	<4A23A07F.2060301@stackyard.org>
	<ED5B65A1-9890-4DEE-87F2-1D78DE2D916A@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A23AD29.6070105@stackyard.org>

OK, I'll have a rummage and see what I've got.  I can definitely do 
better than a 10GB hard disk (I think I've got a 40 or 80) and I might 
have a 2nd-hand PC133 stick.  I'll get back to you.

Ken

Simon Royal wrote:
> Ken
>
> Yes, I have been inside the machine. It is definitely a stick of PC133  
> in there.
>
> It has a Socket A motherboard with an AMD Duron chip on it.
>
> Simon
>
> On 1 Jun 2009, at 10:33, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
>   
>> SiS will be the chipset make.  The motherboard manufacturer will be
>> something else.  The manufacturer is hardly ever printed on the
>> motherboard.  Even the model is sometimes not there.  But there will
>> probably be some string of characters in the silkscreen of the PCB -
>> sometimes obscured under cables.  Send me whatever you can find.  RAM
>> architectures keep changing so without knowing the model, it's  
>> difficult
>> to know which it uses.  You seem to suspect it's PC133 which is VERY
>> old.  Have you seen the RAM in the machine?
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>     
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> I am not quite sure. She lives in Norwich so I will check next time I
>>> go over or ask her to. I think it is an SiS, unless that is just the
>>> graphics chip.
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>> On 31 May 2009, at 23:21, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Simon,
>>>>
>>>> What's the motherboard make/model (if it's visible)?  I probably  
>>>> have
>>>> some stuff you could use.
>>>>
>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> I am on the scrounge for your computing scraps - as usual. I am
>>>>> putting together a PC for my 15 year old neice who is doing her
>>>>> GCSEs.
>>>>> She was given a basic PC tower and monitor. It is a healthy 700Mhz
>>>>> AMD
>>>>> Duron processor, but lacking in anything else. So if anyone has any
>>>>> bits and pieces going spare she would very much appreciate them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Currently I managed to dig out of my spares, 128MB of PC133 RAM, a
>>>>> 10GB hard drive and a CD-ROM. It is running Windows XP, but it is
>>>>> painfully slow at the mo.
>>>>>
>>>>> It only has two RAM slots, so if anyone has a couple of 'generic,  
>>>>> PC,
>>>>> nothing special' 256MB sticks that would be amazing. Also if anyone
>>>>> has a 20GB or more hard drive I could stick in as a second drive  
>>>>> that
>>>>> would be great. The optical drive is fine unless anyone has a  
>>>>> CDRW or
>>>>> DVD drive going spare, but our main aim is to get it running a bit
>>>>> faster so it is actually useable.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope you can help.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Simon Royal
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>>         
>>> Simon Royal
>>> ---
>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>     
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
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>   


From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk  Mon Jun  1 11:56:17 2009
From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 11:56:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New iTouch?
Message-ID: <E57D4609-EFF4-4ECE-8BA0-BBE9DB7A8020@themagic.me.uk>

Last Friday my iTouch (and other stuff) was stolen in London. I shall  
replace the iTouch but wonder is there is a newer model coming out? 
does anyone know, please, or can tell me where to look? I would not  
wait until later in the summer to save ?7 on the new software but am  
concerned about a new version.

Thanks.

Anthony



From macman at f2s.com  Mon Jun  1 12:10:12 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 12:10:12 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New iTouch?
In-Reply-To: <E57D4609-EFF4-4ECE-8BA0-BBE9DB7A8020@themagic.me.uk>
References: <E57D4609-EFF4-4ECE-8BA0-BBE9DB7A8020@themagic.me.uk>
Message-ID: <AE213B59-CDB8-4E20-8D5D-958CFB0C3482@f2s.com>

You'll never know Anthony!

WWDC opens a week today, and although it's a developers' conference,  
the rumours are of a possible announcement of a new 3rd Gen iPhone in  
the coming months, and also the old chestnut about a touch screen  
'tablet' the size of the current Netbooks - in effect a large screen  
Touch, but these have been doing the rounds for a long time, and  
Apple, as usual, are saying nowt.

I'd certainly wait a week, though - you never know what they may  
announce!

Robbie




Robbie Murray
01603 620749
01603 516175
07882 007667
macman at f2s.com

On 1 Jun 2009, at 11:56, Anthony Brahams wrote:

Last Friday my iTouch (and other stuff) was stolen in London. I shall
replace the iTouch but wonder is there is a newer model coming out?
does anyone know, please, or can tell me where to look? I would not
wait until later in the summer to save ?7 on the new software but am
concerned about a new version.

Thanks.

Anthony

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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Jun  1 13:03:31 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:03:31 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New iTouch?
In-Reply-To: <E57D4609-EFF4-4ECE-8BA0-BBE9DB7A8020@themagic.me.uk>
References: <E57D4609-EFF4-4ECE-8BA0-BBE9DB7A8020@themagic.me.uk>
Message-ID: <B0F25766-83A1-4F3E-9327-C08241FFE890@durrant.co.uk>

There are rumours that the iPod Touch wil be getting updated  
'shortly', but who knows if they're accurate?

The iPod Classic and iPod nano have been updated in September for the  
past three years. The iPod Touch got updated with them last September.

So I would be surprised if the iPod Touch didn't get updated in the  
next four months.

It's worth noting that, although introduced with the second iPhone in  
February 2008, it was updated with the other iPods in September 2008,  
not in July 2008 like the iPhone.

There are currently refurbished current generation 16GB and 32GB iPod  
Touches at the Apple Store, 13% off retail.

Paul

On 1 Jun 2009, at 11:56, Anthony Brahams wrote:

> Last Friday my iTouch (and other stuff) was stolen in London. I shall
> replace the iTouch but wonder is there is a newer model coming out?
> does anyone know, please, or can tell me where to look? I would not
> wait until later in the summer to save ?7 on the new software but am
> concerned about a new version.



From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Mon Jun  1 13:10:45 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 13:10:45 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New iTouch?
In-Reply-To: <E57D4609-EFF4-4ECE-8BA0-BBE9DB7A8020@themagic.me.uk>
References: <E57D4609-EFF4-4ECE-8BA0-BBE9DB7A8020@themagic.me.uk>
Message-ID: <5ABE0EAE-3125-488B-9EF8-45A09DB3B0CC@virgin.net>


On Jun 1, 2009, at 11:56, Anthony Brahams wrote:

> Last Friday my iTouch (and other stuff) was stolen in London.

I cannot help with the timing of the next update but just sorry to  
hear that your stuff had been stolen. Any insurance cover? My  
daughter's iPod was stolen and the insurance company sent her a new one.

Paul C



From ghowells at f2s.com  Mon Jun  1 14:49:29 2009
From: ghowells at f2s.com (G.Howells)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 14:49:29 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Opening Microsoft .docx documents
In-Reply-To: <4F7EF54B-17CE-4300-810D-059D5FB6A45E@virgin.net>
References: <a06240801c648a0fea782@[192.168.2.3]>
	<4F7EF54B-17CE-4300-810D-059D5FB6A45E@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <a06240805c64967f348ee@[192.168.2.3]>

Thanks to everyone who gave ideas about this.

The Microsoft solution didn't apply to my version of Microsoft Office 
for Mac because it is too old.

The information on the Bean site seemed to be saying that it wouldn't 
cope with photos in .docx, so to get at the contents of the 
newsletter quickly I downloaded OpenOffice, which worked. (I had had 
the previous version of OpenOffice on my HD but got rid of it because 
it was causing conflicts with other software; hope this latest 
version doesn't do that.)
	Having looked at the blurb about iWorks 2009 I think it might 
now be time to consider that. Though I hadn't been completely taken 
with the previous version there seem to be some worthwhile additions 
in the 2009 one, though I still love my AppleWorks, its ease of use, 
and the fact that I have all my many templates, letter headings, etc 
done in it - though they might transfer.

All this has got me wondering what other mac users use these days!!

Thanks again,

Gordon.

From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com  Mon Jun  1 18:05:52 2009
From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (Gmail)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:05:52 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New iTouch?
In-Reply-To: <E57D4609-EFF4-4ECE-8BA0-BBE9DB7A8020@themagic.me.uk>
References: <E57D4609-EFF4-4ECE-8BA0-BBE9DB7A8020@themagic.me.uk>
Message-ID: <D75B4E48-E762-4AD1-A58E-9C3CE3BBF47A@googlemail.com>

Apple normally refresh the iPod range including the iPod Touch in  
September or October each year.

If you can hold out I would wait till then.

Simon Bainbridge

On 1 Jun 2009, at 11:56, Anthony Brahams  
<anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk> wrote:

> Last Friday my iTouch (and other stuff) was stolen in London. I shall
> replace the iTouch but wonder is there is a newer model coming out?
> does anyone know, please, or can tell me where to look? I would not
> wait until later in the summer to save ?7 on the new software but am
> concerned about a new version.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Anthony
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


From dan_tombs at hotmail.com  Mon Jun  1 18:30:06 2009
From: dan_tombs at hotmail.com (Dan Tombs)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:30:06 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] additional monitor for mac-mini
In-Reply-To: <p06240800c6494aa517f4@[192.168.1.72]>
References: <mailman.1283.1243846615.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<p06240800c6494aa517f4@[192.168.1.72]>
Message-ID: <COL115-W43BD8D17000CC1429DAD509C4C0@phx.gbl>


Hi,

you may get some mileage out of one of these from Matrox

http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/press/guides/dh2go/

not sure if the Mac Mini will have umph in the GPU to support the display - and it is a pricey solution - but possibly cheaper than a new system if you desperately need to expand your virtual deskspace

Hope that helps some

Dan 

> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:10:53 +0100
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> From: amlucas2003 at yahoo.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] additional monitor for mac-mini
> 
> Thanks Paul.
> That is what I thought, and your confirmation has stopped me chasing this.
> Arthur
> 
> >I can't think of any way you could do this. You can't add another 
> >video card, and the built-in video only has one monitor port.
> >
> >Paul
> >
> >On 30 May 2009, at 12:34, Arthur Lucas wrote:
> >
> >>  Is it possible to have a second monitor attached to an original mac 
> >>  mini?
> >>  I am using a very satisfactory though old, at least 10 years,  small
> >>  Mac studio display attached through an adaptor, but feel the need for
> >>  an additional monitor.
> >
> >
> >------------------------------
> 
> -- 
> Prof A M Lucas AO CBE
> 16 Downham Crescent
> Wymondham NR18 0SF
> 01953 602214
> 
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http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/

From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Jun  1 18:57:19 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 18:57:19 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] additional monitor for mac-mini
In-Reply-To: <COL115-W43BD8D17000CC1429DAD509C4C0@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.1283.1243846615.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<p06240800c6494aa517f4@[192.168.1.72]>
	<COL115-W43BD8D17000CC1429DAD509C4C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <F4EDB827-10E7-4A03-8D3B-FA3C14BDAEC9@durrant.co.uk>

What an amazing product!

Looking at the Specs of the Radeon 9200, it can support up to  
2048x1536. This might just be enough to support two monitors using  
this gadget, but you might be better off just going for a larger  
single monitor.

Paul

On 1 Jun 2009, at 18:30, Dan Tombs wrote:
>
> you may get some mileage out of one of these from Matrox
>
> http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/press/guides/dh2go/
>
> not sure if the Mac Mini will have umph in the GPU to support the  
> display - and it is a pricey solution - but possibly cheaper than a  
> new system if you desperately need to expand your virtual deskspace
>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 30 May 2009, at 12:34, Arthur Lucas wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is it possible to have a second monitor attached to an original mac
>>>> mini?
>>>> I am using a very satisfactory though old, at least 10 years,   
>>>> small
>>>> Mac studio display attached through an adaptor, but feel the need  
>>>> for
>>>> an additional monitor.
>>>



From valeriehardman at btinternet.com  Tue Jun  2 08:01:04 2009
From: valeriehardman at btinternet.com (VALERIE HARDMAN)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 07:01:04 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NMUG] distortions on screen
Message-ID: <837013.22747.qm@web86509.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

HiCan anyone please throw some light on what happened to my intel imac 24" yesterday?It had been asleep for several hours and when I woke it up the screen was heavily distorted with shapes of rectangles, triangles, etc and with various colours filling these shapes. ?There were lines cutting across the distortions, some solid and some like rows of dots. ?When I pressed the space bar the lines and shapes and cplours changed but did not disappear. ?The Apple symbol was not visible but when I clicked on the space it should have been in it did eventually appear in a sort of box and I did manage to shut the computer down. ?It has since restarted twice with no obvious problem. ?Should I be worried? ?It has never done this before.thanksValerie

From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Tue Jun  2 08:30:00 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:30:00 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] distortions on screen
In-Reply-To: <837013.22747.qm@web86509.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
References: <837013.22747.qm@web86509.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BCFF37A1-535C-4875-9A9C-50D88642E5DF@virgin.net>


On Jun 2, 2009, at 08:01, VALERIE HARDMAN wrote:

> HiCan anyone please throw some light on what happened to my intel  
> imac 24" yesterday?

No help from me but I also would be interested in knowing the cause. A  
few months ago a similar thing happened to my 24" iMac. Sections of  
the screen would come back when I clicked the mouse on them and I  
could get the whole lot back once I got a section of a window back by  
actually dragging the window round the screen and using it like a  
rubber! This happened about three times in a week but has since not  
come back.

Paul



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue Jun  2 08:49:21 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 08:49:21 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Java bug vulnerability
Message-ID: <6B005399-65D6-4702-9B57-94B3477D2890@durrant.co.uk>

There's a nice explanation of the Java bug and what to do about it at  
Tidbits:

http://db.tidbits.com/article/10292

Paul



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Jun  2 10:16:24 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:16:24 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Shiretoko
Message-ID: <EF2F43E9-2D4B-4079-BF8C-8D0F66855A54@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I was checking out the optimised builds of Firefox 3 today, after a  
Mac buddy of mine was raving about how much faster it was than the  
standard Firefox 3.

http://firefoxmac.furbism.com/

I downloaded the latest build for the 7450 G4 chip - codenamed  
Shiretoko - which is in my TiBook, but I have to say after using it  
for a bit I haven't noticed it being any faster - in fact it even  
feels a little sluggish.

Anyone had any experience with optimised builds?

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Jun  2 12:46:50 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 12:46:50 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mozilla Optimised
Message-ID: <D6DE866B-331B-4498-9FA1-A1BCB1E19202@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I found this interesting site.

It offerings optimised versions of Camino, Firefox, Thunderbird and  
SeaMonkey for G3 and G4 machines.

http://www.rpm-mozilla.org.uk/

Regards

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Jun  2 14:33:08 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 14:33:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Iomega eGo For Mac
Message-ID: <397831CD-4771-4801-82D4-8573A8FCB6A9@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I remember someone mentioning triple interface drives for future  
proofing.

Iomega have just released their eGo For Mac with USB, Firewire 400 and  
Firewire 800 interface. It also ships with Mac backup software and  
comes preformatted to HFS+.

http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/06/02/iomega.adds.ego.hd.for.mac/

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk  Tue Jun  2 16:56:57 2009
From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:56:57 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New iTouch?
In-Reply-To: <5ABE0EAE-3125-488B-9EF8-45A09DB3B0CC@virgin.net>
References: <E57D4609-EFF4-4ECE-8BA0-BBE9DB7A8020@themagic.me.uk>
	<5ABE0EAE-3125-488B-9EF8-45A09DB3B0CC@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <C51FED93-D839-4C27-BE70-C2BCA85E163F@themagic.me.uk>

Thank you for all the comments and advice. I am giving it a week to  
turn up (and pigs might fly) and another week which may include a  
possible announcement to see if I can exist without an iTouch! Of  
course if there is a new version in September it could cost more.  
Talking of money, the refurbished larger model is good value, Paul D.  
And thanks Paul C for your daughter's encouraging story?I am insured  
but some insurance companies have the low morals and ethics of banks  
so I wait.

Anthony

On 1 Jun 2009, at 13:10, Paul Chapman wrote:

>
> On Jun 1, 2009, at 11:56, Anthony Brahams wrote:
>
>> Last Friday my iTouch (and other stuff) was stolen in London.
>
> I cannot help with the timing of the next update but just sorry to
> hear that your stuff had been stolen. Any insurance cover? My
> daughter's iPod was stolen and the insurance company sent her a new  
> one.
>
> Paul C
>
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From amlucas2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jun  2 17:42:40 2009
From: amlucas2003 at yahoo.co.uk (Arthur Lucas)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:42:40 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 65, Issue 4
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1243940401.95309.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1.1243940401.95309.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <p06240800c64b01c2b5ec@[192.168.1.72]>

Dan, Paul
Thanks for this information. In addition to the price of the adaptor 
and the display it makes another bit of adaptor kit to take up 
physical desk space. Methinks a larger monitor will get the same 
effective result for less total price and clutter. Might even hand 
this system down the line to replace the aging pudding-basin iMac my 
wife had from new and which is now showing its limitations, and buy a 
large screen iMac. Both of us will have systems better suited to our 
needs.

I suppose I could use the current mini as a server? Easy? Good idea?

Arthur-
>
>
>Subject: Re: [NMUG] additional monitor for mac-mini
>To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>Message-ID: <F4EDB827-10E7-4A03-8D3B-FA3C14BDAEC9 at durrant.co.uk>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
>What an amazing product!
>
>Looking at the Specs of the Radeon 9200, it can support up to 
>2048x1536. This might just be enough to support two monitors using 
>this gadget, but you might be better off just going for a larger 
>single monitor.
>
>Paul
>
>On 1 Jun 2009, at 18:30, Dan Tombs wrote:
>>
>>  you may get some mileage out of one of these from Matrox
>>
>>  http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/press/guides/dh2go/
>>
>>  not sure if the Mac Mini will have umph in the GPU to support the 
>>  display - and it is a pricey solution - but possibly cheaper than a 
>>  new system if you desperately need to expand your virtual deskspace
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  On 30 May 2009, at 12:34, Arthur Lucas wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Is it possible to have a second monitor attached to an original mac
>>>>>  mini?
>>>>>  I am using a very satisfactory though old, at least 10 years,  
>>>>>  small
>>>>>  Mac studio display attached through an adaptor, but feel the need 
>>>>>  for
>>>>>  an additional monitor.
>  >>>

-- 
Prof A M Lucas AO CBE
16 Downham Crescent
Wymondham NR18 0SF
01953 602214



From amlucas2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jun  2 17:57:22 2009
From: amlucas2003 at yahoo.co.uk (Arthur Lucas)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 17:57:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] additional monitor for mac-mini
Message-ID: <p06240801c64b09f5a1eb@[192.168.1.72]>

Ignore the second paragraph in this--It was a beginning thought about 
an alternate solution, and obviously makes no sense in the context of 
the first paragraph!
Arthur

Dan, Paul
Thanks for this information. In addition to the price of the adaptor 
and the display it makes another bit of adaptor kit to take up 
physical desk space. Methinks a larger monitor will get the same 
effective result for less total price and clutter. Might even hand 
this system down the line to replace the aging pudding-basin iMac my 
wife had from new and which is now showing its limitations, and buy a 
large screen iMac. Both of us will have systems better suited to our 
needs.

I suppose I could use the current mini as a server? Easy? Good idea?

Arthur-
>
>
>Subject: Re: [NMUG] additional monitor for mac-mini
>To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>Message-ID: <F4EDB827-10E7-4A03-8D3B-FA3C14BDAEC9 at durrant.co.uk>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
>What an amazing product!
>
>Looking at the Specs of the Radeon 9200, it can support up to 
>2048x1536. This might just be enough to support two monitors using 
>this gadget, but you might be better off just going for a larger 
>single monitor.
>
>Paul
>
>On 1 Jun 2009, at 18:30, Dan Tombs wrote:
>>
>>  you may get some mileage out of one of these from Matrox
>>
>>  http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/press/guides/dh2go/
>>
>>  not sure if the Mac Mini will have umph in the GPU to support the 
>>  display - and it is a pricey solution - but possibly cheaper than a 
>>  new system if you desperately need to expand your virtual deskspace
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  On 30 May 2009, at 12:34, Arthur Lucas wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  Is it possible to have a second monitor attached to an original mac
>>>>>  mini?
>>>>>  I am using a very satisfactory though old, at least 10 years,  
>>>>>  small
>>>>>  Mac studio display attached through an adaptor, but feel the need 
>>>>>  for
>>>>>  an additional monitor.
>  >>>

-- 
Prof A M Lucas AO CBE
16 Downham Crescent
Wymondham NR18 0SF
01953 602214


From wjhurst44 at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  3 03:08:59 2009
From: wjhurst44 at hotmail.com (Jeff Hurst)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 21:08:59 -0500
Subject: [NMUG] On The Scrounge
In-Reply-To: <ED5B65A1-9890-4DEE-87F2-1D78DE2D916A@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <EF729172-D12F-4494-A2AD-27DE122584E4@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4A2302FE.4090803@stackyard.org>
	<E20BA5DA-FE66-4D43-8E79-50157607EF02@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4A23A07F.2060301@stackyard.org> 
	<ED5B65A1-9890-4DEE-87F2-1D78DE2D916A@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BAY132-W637BB352FA01C4E26CFDABA4A0@phx.gbl>


simon,  I have a PC ram stick 256 pc133 if you want it. I ordered it by mistakenly and have had it all these months.Jeff






> From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 10:37:01 +0100
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] On The Scrounge
> 
> Ken
> 
> Yes, I have been inside the machine. It is definitely a stick of PC133  
> in there.
> 
> It has a Socket A motherboard with an AMD Duron chip on it.
> 
> Simon
> 
> On 1 Jun 2009, at 10:33, Ken Hamer wrote:
> 
>> SiS will be the chipset make.  The motherboard manufacturer will be
>> something else.  The manufacturer is hardly ever printed on the
>> motherboard.  Even the model is sometimes not there.  But there will
>> probably be some string of characters in the silkscreen of the PCB -
>> sometimes obscured under cables.  Send me whatever you can find.  RAM
>> architectures keep changing so without knowing the model, it's  
>> difficult
>> to know which it uses.  You seem to suspect it's PC133 which is VERY
>> old.  Have you seen the RAM in the machine?
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> I am not quite sure. She lives in Norwich so I will check next time I
>>> go over or ask her to. I think it is an SiS, unless that is just the
>>> graphics chip.
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>> On 31 May 2009, at 23:21, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Simon,
>>>>
>>>> What's the motherboard make/model (if it's visible)?  I probably  
>>>> have
>>>> some stuff you could use.
>>>>
>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> I am on the scrounge for your computing scraps - as usual. I am
>>>>> putting together a PC for my 15 year old neice who is doing her
>>>>> GCSEs.
>>>>> She was given a basic PC tower and monitor. It is a healthy 700Mhz
>>>>> AMD
>>>>> Duron processor, but lacking in anything else. So if anyone has any
>>>>> bits and pieces going spare she would very much appreciate them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Currently I managed to dig out of my spares, 128MB of PC133 RAM, a
>>>>> 10GB hard drive and a CD-ROM. It is running Windows XP, but it is
>>>>> painfully slow at the mo.
>>>>>
>>>>> It only has two RAM slots, so if anyone has a couple of 'generic,  
>>>>> PC,
>>>>> nothing special' 256MB sticks that would be amazing. Also if anyone
>>>>> has a 20GB or more hard drive I could stick in as a second drive  
>>>>> that
>>>>> would be great. The optical drive is fine unless anyone has a  
>>>>> CDRW or
>>>>> DVD drive going spare, but our main aim is to get it running a bit
>>>>> faster so it is actually useable.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope you can help.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Simon Royal
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Simon Royal
>>> ---
>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
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>>
> 
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Jun  3 14:23:06 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:23:06 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Prism... Free Video Converter
Message-ID: <7268C124-AA00-41AE-8302-25FB3D24E36B@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I stumbled across this free video converter for Mac OSX and thought I  
would share it with you.

http://www.nchsoftware.com/prism/index.html

It converts between a lot of formats including FLV.

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net  Wed Jun  3 15:30:22 2009
From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:30:22 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Virtual Box and Windows XP
Message-ID: <646D7FFA-9E6F-4DD3-B455-466E6F7C1087@virgin.net>

Hello,

Along with other NMUGers (only a few!), I've installed Windows XP via  
Virtual Box. It works in a limited way i.e I cannot get an internet
connection or even to the router, nor is the printer or any peripheral  
detected. The 'manual' is beyond my comprehension and seems very sparse.
Can anyone please tell me how they managed to get VB up and running?
In case of upsetting Mac only members, perhaps replies should be sent  
direct to me rather than the group!

Ken Arnoldi 


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Jun  3 14:38:59 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 14:38:59 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Virtual Box and Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <646D7FFA-9E6F-4DD3-B455-466E6F7C1087@virgin.net>
References: <646D7FFA-9E6F-4DD3-B455-466E6F7C1087@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <D2BF5618-CCC2-497D-B7E1-2737217E84DC@simonroyal.co.uk>

Ken

I am a Mac only member, but it wouldn't upset me. I think it was  
Robbie that brought this up a week or so ago. It is Mac related as a  
PC forum would have no idea about Virtual Box or OSX.

Some people have the need for Windows on their Mac. That is their  
choice. It is still Mac related.

I dont particularly have any interested in film scanners (which was  
discussed on here a while ago), but this is a group with a wide range  
of users, all with different tastes and needs and as long as it is Mac  
related, there shouldn't be a problem.

I did have a similar problem when running XP in Fusion on my Intel  
iMac (about a year ago), but switched to Parallel and it worked, so  
never gotten to the bottom of it.

Simon

On 3 Jun 2009, at 15:30, Ken Arnoldi wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Along with other NMUGers (only a few!), I've installed Windows XP via
> Virtual Box. It works in a limited way i.e I cannot get an internet
> connection or even to the router, nor is the printer or any peripheral
> detected. The 'manual' is beyond my comprehension and seems very  
> sparse.
> Can anyone please tell me how they managed to get VB up and running?
> In case of upsetting Mac only members, perhaps replies should be sent
> direct to me rather than the group!
>
> Ken Arnoldi
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From macman at f2s.com  Wed Jun  3 15:13:36 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 15:13:36 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Virtual Box and Windows XP
In-Reply-To: <646D7FFA-9E6F-4DD3-B455-466E6F7C1087@virgin.net>
References: <646D7FFA-9E6F-4DD3-B455-466E6F7C1087@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <ACB0A0D9-A774-4ED1-9874-F6E5CB0ABD6C@f2s.com>

Hi Ken

Not sure why you've chosen to install XP, as Windows 7 is free - for  
me, for the first time a serious contender in the OS debate!
(Could be because in many ways it looks like a real rip-off of MacOSX)

I had a bit of a struggle at first, but with help from David Viner  
it's now up & running very well.
I haven't got as far as printing, but it certainly found my router and  
internet connection all by itself.

I'll email you the correspondence from David - our resident expert!

Robbie




Robbie Murray
01603 620749
01603 516175
07882 007667
macman at f2s.com

On 3 Jun 2009, at 15:30, Ken Arnoldi wrote:

Hello,

Along with other NMUGers (only a few!), I've installed Windows XP via
Virtual Box. It works in a limited way i.e I cannot get an internet
connection or even to the router, nor is the printer or any peripheral
detected. The 'manual' is beyond my comprehension and seems very sparse.
Can anyone please tell me how they managed to get VB up and running?
In case of upsetting Mac only members, perhaps replies should be sent
direct to me rather than the group!

Ken Arnoldi
_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
NMUG at durrant.co.uk
http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Jun  3 21:11:49 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (=?UTF-8?B?U2ltb24gUm95YWw=?=)
Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2009 20:11:49 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] =?utf-8?q?Ignore=2E_Test?=
Message-ID: <1244059909592@mail_simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi. Ignore this. Just testing my new phone out. Want to make sure the settings are ok. Simon
--- visit http://www.simonroyal.co.uk (sent using Nokia 6111)

From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net  Thu Jun  4 09:49:28 2009
From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:49:28 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] (no subject)
Message-ID: <8EA42DCD-63F6-466F-AE50-7A221C79BC7F@virgin.net>






From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net  Thu Jun  4 11:05:53 2009
From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:05:53 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] My error
Message-ID: <00C44B8B-C76D-4B76-B6A3-11BABDA593F9@virgin.net>

Sorry,

I sent a message with no content!

Ken


From ricnev at mac.com  Thu Jun  4 10:16:29 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:16:29 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] My error
In-Reply-To: <00C44B8B-C76D-4B76-B6A3-11BABDA593F9@virgin.net>
References: <00C44B8B-C76D-4B76-B6A3-11BABDA593F9@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <9932A1AC-7D05-4080-AE3A-FDEFB6C0CC93@mac.com>

And I appear to have received this one an hour before you sent it!? -  
yet the other one seems to be timed correctly?


On 4 Jun 2009, at 11:05, Ken Arnoldi wrote:

> Sorry,
>
> I sent a message with no content!
>
> Ken
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com





From jeremyknight at mac.com  Thu Jun  4 10:22:25 2009
From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:22:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] littlesnitch
In-Reply-To: <9932A1AC-7D05-4080-AE3A-FDEFB6C0CC93@mac.com>
References: <00C44B8B-C76D-4B76-B6A3-11BABDA593F9@virgin.net>
	<9932A1AC-7D05-4080-AE3A-FDEFB6C0CC93@mac.com>
Message-ID: <0F797F95-F764-47B8-BB1B-5E4C8B6CF6E1@mac.com>

I have littlesnitch installed and it is quite useful seeing whats  
going on.
A thought has occurred.
Presumably it would tell you if you have a trojan or keystroke watcher  
because it would have to ask permission to  contact an external  
computer?
jeremy



From footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Jun  4 11:06:55 2009
From: footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk (joe butler)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:06:55 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NMUG] Free mac world CDs
Message-ID: <620558.27814.qm@web26708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>




I have a load of Mac world etc?cover disks from 2003/2006 (about 40)?if they are use to anyone let me know before i bin them.
?
Joe
?
?


      

From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Thu Jun  4 12:01:30 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:01:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] littlesnitch
In-Reply-To: <0F797F95-F764-47B8-BB1B-5E4C8B6CF6E1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C64D681A.2AF04%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

I would say yes - with the proviso that clever minds can manipulate any
system if they are motivated enough. Privacy is ultimately unenforceable.
For all I know my computer feeds back encrypted information embedded within
all sorts of 'allowable' normal things I send and feel safe doing so - that
can then be detected, identified and unencrypted.

One safeguard against this is that a great deal of the clever minds are
involved at all levels in support of the integrity of the system and will
blow the whistle in the event of a discovered breach.

Littlesnitch certainly shows just how ongoingly the computer is conversing
with various server 'entities'. As some pointed out recently, if you don't
make permanent rules allowing permissions of trusted processes, you'd never
get any work done.

Whether the hackers find a way around littlesnitch depends on whether it is
deemed ubiquitous enough a defence to out manoeuvre - which I doubt.

There are processes that can introduce changes to the rule set, but
littlesnitch alerts you to that your rules have been modified.
It also does this if you clone your system and boot up from a new clone.

These are more likely to be software developers trying to protect their
interests, for a lot of littlesnitch use is to stop apps phoning home to
check the registration is valid.

But isn't it so that the complexity under the hood is layers deep and as
arcane and unintelligible to most of us as the workings of our own mind?

all the best
Brian

jeremy knight said recently:

> I have littlesnitch installed and it is quite useful seeing whats
> going on.
> A thought has occurred.
> Presumably it would tell you if you have a trojan or keystroke watcher
> because it would have to ask permission to  contact an external
> computer?
> jeremy
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From alanbarber at mac.com  Thu Jun  4 12:44:01 2009
From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:44:01 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 2 click or not 2 click
Message-ID: <059B88EB-EC38-4642-AFA6-7432C502A324@mac.com>

The partially sighted friend of mine is having trouble remembering  
when to use 1 or 2 clicks of the mouse.
Often - using a pc - a double click opens then closes a document.
Does anyone have a simple saying or method which I can pass on when to  
use 1 or double click?
Thanks

Regards

Alan
		



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Thu Jun  4 12:46:37 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:46:37 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 2 click or not 2 click
In-Reply-To: <059B88EB-EC38-4642-AFA6-7432C502A324@mac.com>
References: <059B88EB-EC38-4642-AFA6-7432C502A324@mac.com>
Message-ID: <531F9A1B-BD65-461B-8DB3-C876FC235D70@durrant.co.uk>

Use one click if the item is in the dock. Two if it's in a finder  
window or on the desktop.

On 4 Jun 2009, at 12:44, Alan Barber wrote:

> The partially sighted friend of mine is having trouble remembering
> when to use 1 or 2 clicks of the mouse.
> Often - using a pc - a double click opens then closes a document.
> Does anyone have a simple saying or method which I can pass on when to
> use 1 or double click?
> Thanks



From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Thu Jun  4 12:46:54 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:46:54 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] LittleSnitch
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1244113202.4918.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1.1244113202.4918.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <9A4C48BC-32D2-4DE1-94C7-F6323F1551D3@gmail.com>

>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] littlesnitch
>
> I have littlesnitch installed and it is quite useful seeing whats
> going on.
> A thought has occurred.
> Presumably it would tell you if you have a trojan or keystroke watcher
> because it would have to ask permission to  contact an external
> computer?
> jeremy


Exactly why I tried it and will persist with it. There is a mechanism  
to allow it to ignore applications once you are happy with their  
communications, so eventually it should only report anomalies. I think  
that's correct.

The thing that shocked me was to see how MUCH hidden communication is  
going on during normal  use. I really had no idea. The reports from  
some NMUG users that LittleSnitch is annoying is precisely because it  
is reporting all such communication that is going on tbehind one's  
back, something that bothers me as someone sensitive to how my privacy  
is eroded daily. 


From alanbarber at mac.com  Thu Jun  4 12:53:06 2009
From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 12:53:06 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 2 click or not 2 click
In-Reply-To: <531F9A1B-BD65-461B-8DB3-C876FC235D70@durrant.co.uk>
References: <059B88EB-EC38-4642-AFA6-7432C502A324@mac.com>
	<531F9A1B-BD65-461B-8DB3-C876FC235D70@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6664E9BD-184B-4F9D-8276-237D088B365A@mac.com>

He is using windows.

Regards

Alan
		

On 4 Jun 2009, at 12:46, Paul Durrant wrote:

> Use one click if the item is in the dock. Two if it's in a finder
> window or on the desktop.
>
> On 4 Jun 2009, at 12:44, Alan Barber wrote:
>
>> The partially sighted friend of mine is having trouble remembering
>> when to use 1 or 2 clicks of the mouse.
>> Often - using a pc - a double click opens then closes a document.
>> Does anyone have a simple saying or method which I can pass on when  
>> to
>> use 1 or double click?
>> Thanks
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Thu Jun  4 12:55:30 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:55:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 2 click or not 2 click
In-Reply-To: <6664E9BD-184B-4F9D-8276-237D088B365A@mac.com>
References: <059B88EB-EC38-4642-AFA6-7432C502A324@mac.com>
	<531F9A1B-BD65-461B-8DB3-C876FC235D70@durrant.co.uk>
	<6664E9BD-184B-4F9D-8276-237D088B365A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <865C3079-2FCA-4394-8505-42787D62DB09@durrant.co.uk>

Well, I know we've veered off-topic quite a lot recently, but this is  
NMUG, not NWUG. :-)

As far as I recall, the same principle applies - if it's in the  
toolbar at the bottom, a single click sufficies. If it's an icon in a  
file explorer window, then it's a double-click.

Paul

On 4 Jun 2009, at 12:53, Alan Barber wrote:

> He is using windows.
>
> On 4 Jun 2009, at 12:46, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
>> Use one click if the item is in the dock. Two if it's in a finder
>> window or on the desktop.
>>
>> On 4 Jun 2009, at 12:44, Alan Barber wrote:
>>
>>> The partially sighted friend of mine is having trouble remembering
>>> when to use 1 or 2 clicks of the mouse.
>>> Often - using a pc - a double click opens then closes a document.
>>> Does anyone have a simple saying or method which I can pass on when
>>> to
>>> use 1 or double click?
>>> Thanks



From ricnev at mac.com  Thu Jun  4 13:30:35 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:30:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 2 click or not 2 click
In-Reply-To: <059B88EB-EC38-4642-AFA6-7432C502A324@mac.com>
References: <059B88EB-EC38-4642-AFA6-7432C502A324@mac.com>
Message-ID: <24BD3A7B-27BC-48F5-A526-29EC6EF2554F@mac.com>

There is quite a good exposition on double-clicking on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-click_(computing)

 From which, one might generalise - single to select, double to do.

Select might include highlight an object, give the focus to a window,  
insert caret in text box etc.

Do might include executing a program, opening a window, showing a  
picture etc.

Richard.

On 4 Jun 2009, at 12:44, Alan Barber wrote:

> The partially sighted friend of mine is having trouble remembering
> when to use 1 or 2 clicks of the mouse.
> Often - using a pc - a double click opens then closes a document.
> Does anyone have a simple saying or method which I can pass on when to
> use 1 or double click?
> Thanks
>
> Regards
>
> Alan
> 		
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com





From alanbarber at mac.com  Thu Jun  4 13:42:41 2009
From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:42:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 2 click or not 2 click
In-Reply-To: <24BD3A7B-27BC-48F5-A526-29EC6EF2554F@mac.com>
References: <059B88EB-EC38-4642-AFA6-7432C502A324@mac.com>
	<24BD3A7B-27BC-48F5-A526-29EC6EF2554F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <868AE5FA-FF82-4B1B-9E9C-C3C88EAFF07F@mac.com>

Thank you

Sorry Paul

Regards

Alan
		

On 4 Jun 2009, at 13:30, Richard Nevill wrote:

> There is quite a good exposition on double-clicking on Wikipedia:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-click_(computing)
>
> From which, one might generalise - single to select, double to do.
>
> Select might include highlight an object, give the focus to a window,
> insert caret in text box etc.
>
> Do might include executing a program, opening a window, showing a
> picture etc.
>
> Richard.
>
> On 4 Jun 2009, at 12:44, Alan Barber wrote:
>
>> The partially sighted friend of mine is having trouble remembering
>> when to use 1 or 2 clicks of the mouse.
>> Often - using a pc - a double click opens then closes a document.
>> Does anyone have a simple saying or method which I can pass on when  
>> to
>> use 1 or double click?
>> Thanks
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Alan
>> 		
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> Richard Nevill
> ricnev at mac.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Thu Jun  4 13:52:44 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 13:52:44 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 2 click or not 2 click
In-Reply-To: <059B88EB-EC38-4642-AFA6-7432C502A324@mac.com>
References: <059B88EB-EC38-4642-AFA6-7432C502A324@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4A27C39C.50208@stackyard.org>

Just for all those Mac owners who are forced to use Windows due to some 
horrible misfortune ;-) , it's a double click to activate icons on the 
desktop, Explorer windows or Control Panel.  Single click for everything 
else.  The equivalent of the Dock in Windows is the Start Menu and as on 
a Mac's Dock, it's a single click to activate Start Menu items.  As on a 
Mac, single-clicking something that needs to be double-clicked will just 
select it for some sort of action, possible chosen from the 
context-sensitive menu which appears with a single RIGHT-click.

Except when it doesn't!  Non-default Windows Explorer settings allow the 
use of web-style links for Desktop and Explorer icon names which allows 
all items to be single-clicked to activate.  I presume the same is 
possible with OS X but I've never investigated - does anyone know?

Ken

Alan Barber wrote:
> The partially sighted friend of mine is having trouble remembering  
> when to use 1 or 2 clicks of the mouse.
> Often - using a pc - a double click opens then closes a document.
> Does anyone have a simple saying or method which I can pass on when to  
> use 1 or double click?
> Thanks
>
> Regards
>
> Alan
> 		
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Thu Jun  4 13:57:44 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 13:57:44 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 2 click or not 2 click
In-Reply-To: <4A27C39C.50208@stackyard.org>
References: <059B88EB-EC38-4642-AFA6-7432C502A324@mac.com>
	<4A27C39C.50208@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <9C394F4B-F524-42AF-8FFF-190A93207FEE@durrant.co.uk>

There used to be a "Button View" which turned the icons in a folder  
into buttons, so a single-click would launch them. A terrible idea, no  
longer in Mac OS X 10.5.

I'm not sure when it arrived or disappeared. (Checks.) Oh - it seems  
it arrived in Mac OS 8. I'm guessing it disappeared with the arrival  
of Mac OS X.

Paul

On 4 Jun 2009, at 13:52, Ken Hamer wrote:

> Non-default Windows Explorer settings allow the
> use of web-style links for Desktop and Explorer icon names which  
> allows
> all items to be single-clicked to activate.  I presume the same is
> possible with OS X but I've never investigated - does anyone know?



From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Thu Jun  4 14:14:07 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:14:07 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 2 click or not 2 click
In-Reply-To: <9C394F4B-F524-42AF-8FFF-190A93207FEE@durrant.co.uk>
References: <059B88EB-EC38-4642-AFA6-7432C502A324@mac.com>	<4A27C39C.50208@stackyard.org>
	<9C394F4B-F524-42AF-8FFF-190A93207FEE@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A27C89F.60606@stackyard.org>

Ah yes, sounds like the same sort of thing.  It's one of those things 
that you either love or hate and it probably never got used much so 
Apple dropped it.  I have one or two customers who love the single-click 
ability in Windows but it's literally one or two, although most don't 
know of its existence.

Ken

Paul Durrant wrote:
> There used to be a "Button View" which turned the icons in a folder  
> into buttons, so a single-click would launch them. A terrible idea, no  
> longer in Mac OS X 10.5.
>
> I'm not sure when it arrived or disappeared. (Checks.) Oh - it seems  
> it arrived in Mac OS 8. I'm guessing it disappeared with the arrival  
> of Mac OS X.
>
> Paul
>
> On 4 Jun 2009, at 13:52, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
>   
>> Non-default Windows Explorer settings allow the
>> use of web-style links for Desktop and Explorer icon names which  
>> allows
>> all items to be single-clicked to activate.  I presume the same is
>> possible with OS X but I've never investigated - does anyone know?
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From munkt0n at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 15:29:19 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:29:19 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] LittleSnitch
In-Reply-To: <9A4C48BC-32D2-4DE1-94C7-F6323F1551D3@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1244113202.4918.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<9A4C48BC-32D2-4DE1-94C7-F6323F1551D3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0906040729g3b099a5ew50edfebfa5038649@mail.gmail.com>

command line fans can monitor all network traffic by running the
following from Terminal.app

sudo tcpdump -i en1 -vvv

it will ask for an administrator password, hit ctrl+c to quit. you may
have to change 'en1' according to what network adapter you're using.
on my Mac mini at work 'en1' is airport, 'en0' is ethernet.



On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 12:46 PM, stefan youngs
<stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com> wrote:
> The thing that shocked me was to see how MUCH hidden communication is
> going on during normal ?use. I really had no idea. The reports from
> some NMUG users that LittleSnitch is annoying is precisely because it
> is reporting all such communication that is going on tbehind one's
> back, something that bothers me as someone sensitive to how my privacy
> is eroded daily.
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



-- 
:wq


From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Thu Jun  4 15:38:23 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:38:23 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 2 click or not 2 clicks
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1355.1244125761.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1355.1244125761.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7E5BF563-D76D-4A47-A2E8-2302BCBCF1C2@gmail.com>


On 4 Jun 2009, at 15:29, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:

> Use one click if the item is in the dock. Two if it's in a finder
> window or on the desktop.


I've always been mystified by this aspect of Apple's GUI.

I can find no logical reason for a dock item to require 1 click to  
Open, against the otherwise ubiquitous rule of 1 click to select, 2 to  
Open.

Does anyone have a tidbit to elucidate? Someone must have had a reason  
at some time, Apple's GUI is so well conceived this behaviour is not  
likely to have been an accident.

I don't make any distinction, I double click the dock anyway. Habits  
are hard to change.



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Thu Jun  4 15:47:19 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 15:47:19 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 2 click or not 2 clicks
In-Reply-To: <7E5BF563-D76D-4A47-A2E8-2302BCBCF1C2@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1355.1244125761.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<7E5BF563-D76D-4A47-A2E8-2302BCBCF1C2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <35141EA6-4A5C-4931-92DA-C2F9196F6800@durrant.co.uk>

On 4 Jun 2009, at 15:38, stefan youngs wrote:

> On 4 Jun 2009, at 15:29, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:
>
>> Use one click if the item is in the dock. Two if it's in a finder
>> window or on the desktop.
>
> I've always been mystified by this aspect of Apple's GUI.
>
> I can find no logical reason for a dock item to require 1 click to
> Open, against the otherwise ubiquitous rule of 1 click to select, 2 to
> Open.
>
> Does anyone have a tidbit to elucidate? Someone must have had a reason
> at some time, Apple's GUI is so well conceived this behaviour is not
> likely to have been an accident.

It's because it's not part of a well-though out GUI design. It a  
pretty thing hacked on because it looks good.

Mac OS X 10.5 does lots of great stuff, but in some ways the Finder is  
worse than in System 5.0

Personally, I hate the way finder windows no longer correspond with  
folders on the hard disk, and no longer retain position, size and  
state information. And then there's the way you can have two views  
open of the same folder...

But we're long lost those battles, just like the battle over file name  
extensions.

Paul


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Jun  4 16:30:05 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:30:05 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 2 click or not 2 clicks
In-Reply-To: <35141EA6-4A5C-4931-92DA-C2F9196F6800@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1355.1244125761.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<7E5BF563-D76D-4A47-A2E8-2302BCBCF1C2@gmail.com>
	<35141EA6-4A5C-4931-92DA-C2F9196F6800@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <A3CA2409-310D-4836-9A82-0F2DF65691E1@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

The Dock makes perfect sense.

It is similar to the Apple menu from pre-OSX and the Start Menu from  
Windows.

They are all direct application launching tools and therefore a single  
click is all that is needed.

I don't think it is a 'hacked thing' at all, I think it was thought  
through and works very well. The Windows Start Menu can get awfully  
crowded. The one thing I like from XP on it's Start Menu is that it  
remembers the last few apps you have opened and places them in a handy  
spot.

Simon

On 4 Jun 2009, at 15:47, Paul Durrant wrote:

> It's because it's not part of a well-though out GUI design. It a
> pretty thing hacked on because it looks good.

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From paul at durrant.co.uk  Thu Jun  4 16:45:21 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:45:21 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 2 click or not 2 clicks
In-Reply-To: <A3CA2409-310D-4836-9A82-0F2DF65691E1@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1355.1244125761.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<7E5BF563-D76D-4A47-A2E8-2302BCBCF1C2@gmail.com>
	<35141EA6-4A5C-4931-92DA-C2F9196F6800@durrant.co.uk>
	<A3CA2409-310D-4836-9A82-0F2DF65691E1@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <60E5A394-A684-4880-B5B7-5DD132DEBD9B@durrant.co.uk>

A User Interface debate!

Umm.. no, the Dock isn't like the Classic Apple Menu. That was a menu.  
You select items on a menu (or a pop-up) with a single click (indeed,  
originally only with mouse-down, select, mouse-up. None of this new  
click and the menu says down).

You are correct that they've chosen to use a single click in the dock  
because it's an application launching tool. But they are still icons,  
and this represents a change in the behaviour of icons that is  
puzzlingly inconsistent with other icons on the screen

As for menus that re-arrange themselves on their own - ugh. I like to  
know where my menu items are going to be. A "Recent Items" menu is bad  
enough, but to have anything else re-arrange is not for me. If I have  
applications I use frequently, I like to place them in the order I  
like, not what the OS thinks is best any particular morning.

Still - you can't argue too hard with success. All the eye candy (&  
ease of use) certainly seems to have improved Apple's popularity and  
sales.

Paul

On 4 Jun 2009, at 16:30, Simon Royal wrote:
>
> The Dock makes perfect sense.
>
> It is similar to the Apple menu from pre-OSX and the Start Menu from
> Windows.
>
> They are all direct application launching tools and therefore a single
> click is all that is needed.
>
> I don't think it is a 'hacked thing' at all, I think it was thought
> through and works very well. The Windows Start Menu can get awfully
> crowded. The one thing I like from XP on it's Start Menu is that it
> remembers the last few apps you have opened and places them in a handy
> spot.
>
> Simon
>
> On 4 Jun 2009, at 15:47, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
>> It's because it's not part of a well-though out GUI design. It a
>> pretty thing hacked on because it looks good.
>



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Jun  4 18:43:25 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 18:43:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 2 click or not 2 clicks
In-Reply-To: <60E5A394-A684-4880-B5B7-5DD132DEBD9B@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1355.1244125761.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<7E5BF563-D76D-4A47-A2E8-2302BCBCF1C2@gmail.com>
	<35141EA6-4A5C-4931-92DA-C2F9196F6800@durrant.co.uk>
	<A3CA2409-310D-4836-9A82-0F2DF65691E1@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<60E5A394-A684-4880-B5B7-5DD132DEBD9B@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <45D837E8-2E86-4721-8DDA-7371CD1B3F64@simonroyal.co.uk>

Paul

In comparing the old Apple Menu to the Dock I meant as a single click  
only.

I personally didnt like the whole 'click and hold' idea.

I like the Dock. You organise it yourself with the apps you want -  
with the exception of things CS, which automatically place icons on  
the dock for you. You can set it to be where you want it, to hide or  
not, to magnify or not, to bounce or not.

Its a great concept - much better than the Start Menu idea.

Simon

On 4 Jun 2009, at 16:45, Paul Durrant wrote:

> Umm.. no, the Dock isn't like the Classic Apple Menu. That was a menu.
> You select items on a menu (or a pop-up) with a single click (indeed,
> originally only with mouse-down, select, mouse-up. None of this new
> click and the menu says down).

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Jun  5 12:38:49 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:38:49 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] SATA Drives
Message-ID: <4CD94218-D3BA-40E4-8C2D-0E65C8465760@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I have just been given a large 200GB SATA 3.5" drive and I want to get  
an enclosure for it.

I have a 120GB back up IDE drive in an external case at the moment,  
but it is rather full, so was going to replace it with the 200GB one  
and copy everything over.

However my current external case is IDE only and not SATA. I think the  
hard drive is SATA 1, will any SATA enclosure work?

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Fri Jun  5 13:22:14 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:22:14 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] By the Dock of the Bay
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1244199601.59472.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1.1244199601.59472.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <EAC4129C-27FD-40C8-8BE4-364E4B921EEB@gmail.com>


On 5 Jun 2009, at 12:00, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:

>
> It's because it's not part of a well-though out GUI design. It a
> pretty thing hacked on because it looks good.


I think you are right. And I agree with your other comments about the  
GUI.

My son was the Chief Testing wallah on the Dock aspect of OSX and  
showed it to me in its very early days. He looked incredulous when I  
expressed reservations about the single click issue, the animation as  
a default (you have to turn it OFF to stop its intensely annoying (to  
me anyway) interference with window contents at the bottom of the  
screen)... he told me, this is what Steve likes and this is how it's  
going to be. At the time Jobs was wielding a mighty sword - there were  
stories of programmers getting in an elevator as part of the team,  
being quizzed by Jobs on the way up, only to find themselves dismissed  
when they got out (and Apple doesn't have that many floors!)- the  
upshot being that nobody was arguing with him back then. Maybe this  
was what was needed to pull Apple around, but the legacy of arbitrary  
decisions are still with us.

One of the most annoying behaviours (to me) is when you are searching  
in an app for a nested file, you think you have found it, but discover  
it's the wrong one, so you go back to Open only to find the nested  
navigation has to be gone through all over again. How hard would it be  
to have the OS remember 'last path' or better, 'last item selected'?  
It may sound trivial but it's not when you go through it dozens of  
times a day.

Maybe someone knows the answer to this? Maybe I missed something all  
those years ago and never found it, like the lost chord?

Simon's comment about the single click being OK in the Dock adds  
nothing to why it should be that way. In no other case that I know of  
is a single click sufficient to force an action. Calling something an  
Application Launcher is no excuse. Users take note of behaviours not  
names.

It was a silly decision probably inherited from the NeXT OS and not  
put right when Apple made OSX from it. Since Jobs was in the enviable  
position of getting his new company (Apple) to buy an OS from his old  
company (NeXT) and (I assume) personally pocketing a vast sum from the  
proceeds (not bad for the CEO of a failed company) he'd possibly got  
the Apple board to go along by assuring them the NeXT OS required only  
a few cosmetic changes to become what Apple wanted, on the back of  
which he may have issued an edict that as little as possible was to be  
changed for the launch product. As The Man In Black wandering  
Cupertino you never knew which elevator he'd appear in next, so the  
last thing you'd want to be is a programmer working on NeXT changes to  
bring the OS into line with Apple.

We're all allowed mistakes and Jobs has certainly earned the right to  
his tenfold and more.. let's face it, when Apple was in recovery mode,  
he WAS Apple. But the Dock implementation is still not as good as it  
could be IMHO.


From macman at f2s.com  Fri Jun  5 13:32:18 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:32:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] By the Dock of the Bay
In-Reply-To: <EAC4129C-27FD-40C8-8BE4-364E4B921EEB@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1244199601.59472.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<EAC4129C-27FD-40C8-8BE4-364E4B921EEB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B3D47C96-D056-4E11-AF24-1E47B0CC03BD@f2s.com>

Put it on the right side like mine, Stefan, then like me, you can get  
furious when it pops out if you go to resize a full screen!

At least we're spared having to press a 'Start' button to stop the  
machine ........

:-)

V Meldrew



On 5 Jun 2009, at 13:22, stefan youngs wrote:

  He looked incredulous when I
expressed reservations about the single click issue, the animation as
a default (you have to turn it OFF to stop its intensely annoying (to
me anyway) interference with window contents at the bottom of the
screen)...



From kelvinyoungs at mac.com  Fri Jun  5 13:36:00 2009
From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 13:36:00 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] By the Dock of the Bay
In-Reply-To: <B3D47C96-D056-4E11-AF24-1E47B0CC03BD@f2s.com>
References: <mailman.1.1244199601.59472.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<EAC4129C-27FD-40C8-8BE4-364E4B921EEB@gmail.com>
	<B3D47C96-D056-4E11-AF24-1E47B0CC03BD@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <B41AFCA6-2254-4A21-AF5B-7715F2D7ACB1@mac.com>

You can set it to vanish completely until your mouse goes over the area.
Preferences - dock ? click onto automatically hide dock.

Kelvin
Home is where I hang my @

On 5 Jun 2009, at 13:32, Robbie Murray wrote:

> Put it on the right side like mine, Stefan, then like me, you can get
> furious when it pops out if you go to resize a full screen!



From nathan.crosby at virgin.net  Fri Jun  5 13:42:50 2009
From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:42:50 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] By the Dock of the Bay
In-Reply-To: <B41AFCA6-2254-4A21-AF5B-7715F2D7ACB1@mac.com>
References: <mailman.1.1244199601.59472.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<EAC4129C-27FD-40C8-8BE4-364E4B921EEB@gmail.com>
	<B3D47C96-D056-4E11-AF24-1E47B0CC03BD@f2s.com>
	<B41AFCA6-2254-4A21-AF5B-7715F2D7ACB1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <FBD628BE-237B-44C1-87AC-0441A01BF014@virgin.net>

I have mine at the bottom of the screen at the smallest possible size  
with maximum magnification on the curser.
  Gives me a laugh every time I use it

Nathan


On 5 Jun 2009, at 13:36, Kelvin Youngs wrote:

> You can set it to vanish completely until your mouse goes over the  
> area.
> Preferences - dock ? click onto automatically hide dock.
>
> Kelvin
> Home is where I hang my @
>
> On 5 Jun 2009, at 13:32, Robbie Murray wrote:
>
>> Put it on the right side like mine, Stefan, then like me, you can get
>> furious when it pops out if you go to resize a full screen!
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk  Fri Jun  5 13:46:46 2009
From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:46:46 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] TechTool Protection Alert
Message-ID: <AAB2601C-0BAD-41C3-AA9E-6DFD6FD9C4C0@mendelsohn.me.uk>

We have just installed TechTool Pro5 and constantly get a TechTool  
Protection Alert flashed on the screen concerning the space remaining  
on an external hard drive which is connected but not in use.

How do we get rid of this alert, we have tried restarting the computer  
and quitting the application, but without success

We have tried to get to the preferences but this is grey out on the  
drop down menu.

Can any suggest a way of doing this?

Thanks

Ed and Phyll


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Fri Jun  5 13:59:29 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 13:59:29 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] SATA Drives
In-Reply-To: <4CD94218-D3BA-40E4-8C2D-0E65C8465760@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <4CD94218-D3BA-40E4-8C2D-0E65C8465760@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <722614E0-7130-4562-AD4F-702FC6A0FF86@durrant.co.uk>

Yes. SATA-2 interface is completely backwards compatible with SATA-1  
drives.

Paul


On 5 Jun 2009, at 12:38, Simon Royal wrote:
> However my current external case is IDE only and not SATA. I think the
> hard drive is SATA 1, will any SATA enclosure work?



From munkt0n at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 14:07:55 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:07:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] By the Dock of the Bay
In-Reply-To: <EAC4129C-27FD-40C8-8BE4-364E4B921EEB@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1244199601.59472.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<EAC4129C-27FD-40C8-8BE4-364E4B921EEB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0906050607u4cdaedf5jfcd350c638412701@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 1:22 PM, stefan
youngs<stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com> wrote:
> In no other case that I know of is a single click sufficient to force an action.

er, the play button in quicktime, the next, previous & reload buttons
in safari... all of these 'force an action' and none of them require
double-clicking


From macman at f2s.com  Fri Jun  5 15:07:54 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:07:54 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] By the Dock of the Bay
In-Reply-To: <B41AFCA6-2254-4A21-AF5B-7715F2D7ACB1@mac.com>
References: <mailman.1.1244199601.59472.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<EAC4129C-27FD-40C8-8BE4-364E4B921EEB@gmail.com>
	<B3D47C96-D056-4E11-AF24-1E47B0CC03BD@f2s.com>
	<B41AFCA6-2254-4A21-AF5B-7715F2D7ACB1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B2407A8E-7475-4D2F-96BD-1FD0E3B877AF@f2s.com>

It is hidden, Kelvin - that's what I'm saying!

If any App is open with a full screen, the resize triangle is in the  
bottom right corner - trying to grab it pops out the dock ....

I love the dock and use it all the time, but I have 44 icons in it  
which run the entire height of my screen ....

Robbie

On 5 Jun 2009, at 13:36, Kelvin Youngs wrote:

You can set it to vanish completely until your mouse goes over the area.
Preferences - dock ? click onto automatically hide dock.

Kelvin
Home is where I hang my @

On 5 Jun 2009, at 13:32, Robbie Murray wrote:

> Put it on the right side like mine, Stefan, then like me, you can get
> furious when it pops out if you go to resize a full screen!

_______________________________________________
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http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Jun  5 16:03:38 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:03:38 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] By the Dock of the Bay
In-Reply-To: <FBD628BE-237B-44C1-87AC-0441A01BF014@virgin.net>
References: <mailman.1.1244199601.59472.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<EAC4129C-27FD-40C8-8BE4-364E4B921EEB@gmail.com>
	<B3D47C96-D056-4E11-AF24-1E47B0CC03BD@f2s.com>
	<B41AFCA6-2254-4A21-AF5B-7715F2D7ACB1@mac.com>
	<FBD628BE-237B-44C1-87AC-0441A01BF014@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <9BB6EBA8-339F-43C0-86E9-460CDC895708@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I have mine set exactly the same.

Simon

On 5 Jun 2009, at 13:42, nathan crosby wrote:

> I have mine at the bottom of the screen at the smallest possible size
> with maximum magnification on the curser.
>  Gives me a laugh every time I use it

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Jun  5 16:05:15 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:05:15 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] By the Dock of the Bay
In-Reply-To: <B2407A8E-7475-4D2F-96BD-1FD0E3B877AF@f2s.com>
References: <mailman.1.1244199601.59472.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<EAC4129C-27FD-40C8-8BE4-364E4B921EEB@gmail.com>
	<B3D47C96-D056-4E11-AF24-1E47B0CC03BD@f2s.com>
	<B41AFCA6-2254-4A21-AF5B-7715F2D7ACB1@mac.com>
	<B2407A8E-7475-4D2F-96BD-1FD0E3B877AF@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <BC39D594-BB45-4830-B70D-440F016DE4BD@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I have 65 icons in my Dock at the bottom which fills the entire width  
of the screen.

Simon

On 5 Jun 2009, at 15:07, Robbie Murray wrote:

> I love the dock and use it all the time, but I have 44 icons in it
> which run the entire height of my screen ....

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From kelvinyoungs at mac.com  Fri Jun  5 16:07:22 2009
From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 16:07:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] By the Dock of the Bay
In-Reply-To: <BC39D594-BB45-4830-B70D-440F016DE4BD@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1.1244199601.59472.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<EAC4129C-27FD-40C8-8BE4-364E4B921EEB@gmail.com>
	<B3D47C96-D056-4E11-AF24-1E47B0CC03BD@f2s.com>
	<B41AFCA6-2254-4A21-AF5B-7715F2D7ACB1@mac.com>
	<B2407A8E-7475-4D2F-96BD-1FD0E3B877AF@f2s.com>
	<BC39D594-BB45-4830-B70D-440F016DE4BD@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BFCA35B7-E8E3-486D-A6B5-BC8F25F27E54@mac.com>

I have 128 and mine go across the screen - over my living room wall  
and up the stairs!
Kelvin

On 5 Jun 2009, at 16:05, Simon Royal wrote:

> I have 65 icons in my Dock at the bottom which fills the entire width
> of the screen.



From rachaelandrews at ntlworld.com  Fri Jun  5 16:26:08 2009
From: rachaelandrews at ntlworld.com (Rachael Andrews)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 16:26:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] By the Dock of the Bay
In-Reply-To: <BFCA35B7-E8E3-486D-A6B5-BC8F25F27E54@mac.com>
References: <mailman.1.1244199601.59472.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<EAC4129C-27FD-40C8-8BE4-364E4B921EEB@gmail.com>
	<B3D47C96-D056-4E11-AF24-1E47B0CC03BD@f2s.com>
	<B41AFCA6-2254-4A21-AF5B-7715F2D7ACB1@mac.com>
	<B2407A8E-7475-4D2F-96BD-1FD0E3B877AF@f2s.com>
	<BC39D594-BB45-4830-B70D-440F016DE4BD@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<BFCA35B7-E8E3-486D-A6B5-BC8F25F27E54@mac.com>
Message-ID: <D5E3C416-52DC-44BC-A391-FC0BAA1D4A5D@ntlworld.com>

On 5 Jun 2009, at 16:07, Kelvin Youngs wrote:

> I have 128 and mine go across the screen - over my living room wall
> and up the stairs!
> Kelvin

lolz. Mine go out of the back door and down the garden path ....

But seriously - I've got just 12 icons on my dock, and I think that's  
cluttered. Too many more would drive me bonkers. And my desktop  has  
no icons on it at all. Maybe I have OCD or something !

Rachael


From macman at f2s.com  Fri Jun  5 17:40:41 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 17:40:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] By the Dock of the Bay
In-Reply-To: <BFCA35B7-E8E3-486D-A6B5-BC8F25F27E54@mac.com>
References: <mailman.1.1244199601.59472.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<EAC4129C-27FD-40C8-8BE4-364E4B921EEB@gmail.com>
	<B3D47C96-D056-4E11-AF24-1E47B0CC03BD@f2s.com>
	<B41AFCA6-2254-4A21-AF5B-7715F2D7ACB1@mac.com>
	<B2407A8E-7475-4D2F-96BD-1FD0E3B877AF@f2s.com>
	<BC39D594-BB45-4830-B70D-440F016DE4BD@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<BFCA35B7-E8E3-486D-A6B5-BC8F25F27E54@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7785DC11-509C-4768-B4CE-8EEAF9BF9C11@f2s.com>

If you really want a pi***ng contest, I  have up to 12 minimised  
windows round the top, left and bottom courtesy of StickyWindows .....  
(great app!)

AND

my dad's bigger than your dad  (or would be if he hadn't died in  
1970 ....)

Robbie



On 5 Jun 2009, at 16:07, Kelvin Youngs wrote:

I have 128 and mine go across the screen - over my living room wall
and up the stairs!
Kelvin

On 5 Jun 2009, at 16:05, Simon Royal wrote:

> I have 65 icons in my Dock at the bottom which fills the entire width
> of the screen.

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From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Fri Jun  5 18:57:31 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 18:57:31 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] By the Dock of the Bay
In-Reply-To: <D5E3C416-52DC-44BC-A391-FC0BAA1D4A5D@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <C64F1B1B.2B012%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

I use Butler - and type a first letter or two to access any application. The
ones I use most I give a control such as control-m for email.
I use command tab to switch apps.
And I use Witch to switch to specific windows of running apps.

I very rarely use the Dock as the Quays serve me so well ;-)

One of the things I like about the Mac is that there are many ways to do
things - including such customisations as Butler. I can set it to work how I
like to work. 

Each to their own.

all the best
Brian

Rachael Andrews said recently:

> On 5 Jun 2009, at 16:07, Kelvin Youngs wrote:
> 
>> I have 128 and mine go across the screen - over my living room wall
>> and up the stairs!
>> Kelvin
> 
> lolz. Mine go out of the back door and down the garden path ....
> 
> But seriously - I've got just 12 icons on my dock, and I think that's
> cluttered. Too many more would drive me bonkers. And my desktop  has
> no icons on it at all. Maybe I have OCD or something !
> 
> Rachael
> _______________________________________________
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> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From p.hunter at ntlworld.com  Fri Jun  5 20:49:20 2009
From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 20:49:20 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Screen zoom
Message-ID: <EEA55D6E-A8F9-4DD4-8356-CE3A9BD6F10D@ntlworld.com>

Hay,

I've just found a great new thing that I didn't know was there.

I was holding the left Ctrl key and accidently spun the little wheel  
on top of the Mighty mouse, and the screen zoomed right in (or is that  
out?). Wow!, perfect for reading those emails and docs in small print.

Peter



From alanbarber at mac.com  Fri Jun  5 20:58:20 2009
From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 20:58:20 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Screen zoom
In-Reply-To: <EEA55D6E-A8F9-4DD4-8356-CE3A9BD6F10D@ntlworld.com>
References: <EEA55D6E-A8F9-4DD4-8356-CE3A9BD6F10D@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <68DD12FB-660D-4EB7-97D8-BCF3D8599930@mac.com>

Just tried but the screen is out of focus.

Regards

Alan
		

On 5 Jun 2009, at 20:49, Peter Hunter wrote:

> Hay,
>
> I've just found a great new thing that I didn't know was there.
>
> I was holding the left Ctrl key and accidently spun the little wheel
> on top of the Mighty mouse, and the screen zoomed right in (or is that
> out?). Wow!, perfect for reading those emails and docs in small print.
>
> Peter
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From bazyoungs at mac.com  Fri Jun  5 21:12:43 2009
From: bazyoungs at mac.com (Barry Youngs)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 21:12:43 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Screen zoom
In-Reply-To: <EEA55D6E-A8F9-4DD4-8356-CE3A9BD6F10D@ntlworld.com>
References: <EEA55D6E-A8F9-4DD4-8356-CE3A9BD6F10D@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <11BA97BD-DB0B-4601-817C-5A87407604E4@mac.com>

That's just brilliant!
Baz
On 5 Jun 2009, at 20:49, Peter Hunter wrote:

> Hay,
>
> I've just found a great new thing that I didn't know was there.
>
> I was holding the left Ctrl key and accidently spun the little wheel


If you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain





From ricnev at mac.com  Fri Jun  5 21:17:26 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 21:17:26 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Second Mac OSX Basics Course
Message-ID: <B5AA7B1A-69D8-4D05-B796-B5545348C7DF@mac.com>





Second Mac OSX Basics Course

Sat 13th June from 10.00 'till 12.00 noon.

This will again be held at:

St. Matthews Church
Telegraph Lane West,
Norwich

In the room accessed by the small door at the back left of the car park.



This time we will be looking at the following aspects of OS X Leopard:

The Menu Bar
Window Controls
The Dock
Trash
The Finder
Creating New Folders
The Services Menu
Expos?
The Dashboard
Spotlight
Get Info and File Permissions
Keyboard shortcuts

We'll also be having a general discussion on which subjects to look at  
when we resume the courses in September after a two month summer break.

We will be charging a fee of ?5 each to cover the cost of the room and  
refreshments.

Would all those who wish to come please let me know so that we can  
arrange seating and refreshments.

Regards,


Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com





From p.hunter at ntlworld.com  Fri Jun  5 21:19:19 2009
From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 21:19:19 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Screen zoom
In-Reply-To: <11BA97BD-DB0B-4601-817C-5A87407604E4@mac.com>
References: <EEA55D6E-A8F9-4DD4-8356-CE3A9BD6F10D@ntlworld.com>
	<11BA97BD-DB0B-4601-817C-5A87407604E4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CFC43F84-27C0-4BAA-AD44-51B4A2C9238A@ntlworld.com>

Also, whilst still holding the Ctrl key, if you move the mouse you can  
move around the screen. Then, if you let go of the key, the screen  
will stay exactly as it is. Fantastic.

Shame it doesn't work so well for you Alan.

Peter

On 5 Jun 2009, at 21:12, Barry Youngs wrote:

> That's just brilliant!
> Baz
> On 5 Jun 2009, at 20:49, Peter Hunter wrote:
>
>> Hay,
>>
>> I've just found a great new thing that I didn't know was there.
>>
>> I was holding the left Ctrl key and accidently spun the little wheel
>
>
> If you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From kelvinyoungs at mac.com  Fri Jun  5 21:25:08 2009
From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 21:25:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Screen zoom
In-Reply-To: <CFC43F84-27C0-4BAA-AD44-51B4A2C9238A@ntlworld.com>
References: <EEA55D6E-A8F9-4DD4-8356-CE3A9BD6F10D@ntlworld.com>
	<11BA97BD-DB0B-4601-817C-5A87407604E4@mac.com>
	<CFC43F84-27C0-4BAA-AD44-51B4A2C9238A@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <6AC2D0C9-D7F7-419F-9F29-AC4CBA5DDA2E@mac.com>

Wow great find that Peter
Not sure how it can be utilised - but great all the same.

Kelvin



From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Fri Jun  5 21:57:31 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 21:57:31 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Screen zoom
In-Reply-To: <6AC2D0C9-D7F7-419F-9F29-AC4CBA5DDA2E@mac.com>
References: <EEA55D6E-A8F9-4DD4-8356-CE3A9BD6F10D@ntlworld.com>
	<11BA97BD-DB0B-4601-817C-5A87407604E4@mac.com>
	<CFC43F84-27C0-4BAA-AD44-51B4A2C9238A@ntlworld.com>
	<6AC2D0C9-D7F7-419F-9F29-AC4CBA5DDA2E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <834700B6-8547-4992-9D85-E550DC1E49AC@virgin.net>


On Jun 5, 2009, at 21:25, Kelvin Youngs wrote:

> Wow great find that Peter
> Not sure how it can be utilised - but great all the same.

As has been said, very useful for looking quickly at small print but  
those with a Mighty Mouse should have known about this as all the  
settings are in System Preferences. If the Control key is awkward you  
can change it to another as well as changing the scroll options.

Paul C



From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Fri Jun  5 23:56:49 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2009 23:56:49 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] SATA Drives
In-Reply-To: <4CD94218-D3BA-40E4-8C2D-0E65C8465760@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <4CD94218-D3BA-40E4-8C2D-0E65C8465760@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A29A2B1.3010407@stackyard.org>

Yes, Simon, you should be OK with a SATA2 enclosure.  I once encountered 
a motherboard with SATA2 ports which wouldn't talk to a SATA1 disk but 
that could have been due to many things and, as I remember, it was just 
something I wanted to try on a machine with lots of other problems so I 
never got to the bottom of it.  As Paul Durrant says, a SATA2 port is 
supposed to be able to talk to a SATA1 device.

Ken

Simon Royal wrote:
> Hi
>
> I have just been given a large 200GB SATA 3.5" drive and I want to get  
> an enclosure for it.
>
> I have a 120GB back up IDE drive in an external case at the moment,  
> but it is rather full, so was going to replace it with the 200GB one  
> and copy everything over.
>
> However my current external case is IDE only and not SATA. I think the  
> hard drive is SATA 1, will any SATA enclosure work?
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
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From jeremyknight at mac.com  Sat Jun  6 07:55:38 2009
From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 07:55:38 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Screen zoom and dishwasher
In-Reply-To: <834700B6-8547-4992-9D85-E550DC1E49AC@virgin.net>
References: <EEA55D6E-A8F9-4DD4-8356-CE3A9BD6F10D@ntlworld.com>
	<11BA97BD-DB0B-4601-817C-5A87407604E4@mac.com>
	<CFC43F84-27C0-4BAA-AD44-51B4A2C9238A@ntlworld.com>
	<6AC2D0C9-D7F7-419F-9F29-AC4CBA5DDA2E@mac.com>
	<834700B6-8547-4992-9D85-E550DC1E49AC@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <A60A820C-34CB-4E65-972E-09196E222500@mac.com>

Screen zoom is very good especially for those tiny pictures on Ebay.
I put a transparent graphite keyboard through the dishwasher came up  
very well,but all the crud from  the front gets moved round to the  
back,where on a solid keyboard it is not visible!!
jeremy



From minkennison at mac.com  Sat Jun  6 08:27:30 2009
From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 08:27:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Second Mac OSX Basics Course
In-Reply-To: <B5AA7B1A-69D8-4D05-B796-B5545348C7DF@mac.com>
References: <B5AA7B1A-69D8-4D05-B796-B5545348C7DF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C5379C52-5098-43C2-B7F7-508F72736B60@mac.com>

HI Richard

I will be there next Saturday

Min
On 5 Jun 2009, at 21:175 Jun 2009, Richard Nevill wrote:

>
>
>
>
> Second Mac OSX Basics Course
>
> Sat 13th June from 10.00 'till 12.00 noon.
>
> This will again be held at:
>
> St. Matthews Church
> Telegraph Lane West,
> Norwich
>
> In the room accessed by the small door at the back left of the car  
> park.
>
>
>
> This time we will be looking at the following aspects of OS X Leopard:
>
> The Menu Bar
> Window Controls
> The Dock
> Trash
> The Finder
> Creating New Folders
> The Services Menu
> Expos?
> The Dashboard
> Spotlight
> Get Info and File Permissions
> Keyboard shortcuts
>
> We'll also be having a general discussion on which subjects to look at
> when we resume the courses in September after a two month summer  
> break.
>
> We will be charging a fee of ?5 each to cover the cost of the room and
> refreshments.
>
> Would all those who wish to come please let me know so that we can
> arrange seating and refreshments.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Richard Nevill
> ricnev at mac.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From richardivers at mac.com  Sat Jun  6 08:57:12 2009
From: richardivers at mac.com (Richard Ivers)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 08:57:12 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Second Mac OSX Basics Course
In-Reply-To: <B5AA7B1A-69D8-4D05-B796-B5545348C7DF@mac.com>
References: <B5AA7B1A-69D8-4D05-B796-B5545348C7DF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <3704C8B0-C38E-4B4E-8F9D-AF94B1AA2B8E@mac.com>

I'll be there.
Richard


>



From jinshinjewels at googlemail.com  Sat Jun  6 10:16:51 2009
From: jinshinjewels at googlemail.com (Jules Slaughter)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 10:16:51 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Second Mac OSX Basics Course
In-Reply-To: <3704C8B0-C38E-4B4E-8F9D-AF94B1AA2B8E@mac.com>
References: <B5AA7B1A-69D8-4D05-B796-B5545348C7DF@mac.com>
	<3704C8B0-C38E-4B4E-8F9D-AF94B1AA2B8E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <adb0e98a0906060216wc17e400pdec5028f88cfb893@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Richard

I would love to be there but have to work at 9.30 so couldn't get to
you until 11.  Is it OK if I creep in then if a seat is left free near
the door?

If not, keep me informed of the next one.

Many thanks.

Jules



On 6/6/09, Richard Ivers <richardivers at mac.com> wrote:
> I'll be there.
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>  >
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  NMUG mailing list
>  NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>  http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>


-- 
Jules

CalmClasses & Therapies
to improve your health.

My business works on referrals.
If you like what I do, please tell others.
If not, please tell me.


From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Sat Jun  6 10:20:08 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 10:20:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] What's up, Dock?
Message-ID: <4A2A34C8.10300@stackyard.org>

Actually, not that it really matters for Mac users, but I was wrong to 
say that the the Windows Start Menu is the equivalent of the Dock.  It's 
actually the Quick Launch menu which is the Dock equivalent.  In XP, 
this is locked and restricted by default but if one unlocks it, it 
really is just like the Dock - same place, same action, etc., but with 
no animation.  In Windows 7, it has merged (or is it splurged) with the 
Task Bar to make it even more like the OS X Dock.

Ken



From ricnev at mac.com  Sat Jun  6 10:51:48 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 10:51:48 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Second Mac OSX Basics Course
In-Reply-To: <3704C8B0-C38E-4B4E-8F9D-AF94B1AA2B8E@mac.com>
References: <B5AA7B1A-69D8-4D05-B796-B5545348C7DF@mac.com>
	<3704C8B0-C38E-4B4E-8F9D-AF94B1AA2B8E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <45D66B40-5F25-4D05-BCA3-3742526780C5@mac.com>

Look forward to seeing you next Saturday.

Richard.

On 6 Jun 2009, at 08:57, Richard Ivers wrote:

> I'll be there.
> Richard
>
>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com





From ricnev at mac.com  Sat Jun  6 10:52:46 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2009 10:52:46 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Second Mac OSX Basics Course
In-Reply-To: <C5379C52-5098-43C2-B7F7-508F72736B60@mac.com>
References: <B5AA7B1A-69D8-4D05-B796-B5545348C7DF@mac.com>
	<C5379C52-5098-43C2-B7F7-508F72736B60@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8918B714-8EA4-42AA-8813-3B84A4F15CD9@mac.com>

Look forward to seeing you there.

Richard.


On 6 Jun 2009, at 08:27, Min Kennison wrote:

> HI Richard
>
> I will be there next Saturday
>
> Min
>

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com





From macman at f2s.com  Sat Jun  6 10:54:03 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 10:54:03 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] What's up, Dock?
In-Reply-To: <4A2A34C8.10300@stackyard.org>
References: <4A2A34C8.10300@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <4837F34A-8B83-4939-B20C-1B1F119BC143@f2s.com>

... and you can put it at the top instead of the bottom ...

so the start button is a bit like the old pre-OSX Apple Menu!



On 6 Jun 2009, at 10:20, Ken Hamer wrote:

  In Windows 7, it has merged (or is it splurged) with the
Task Bar to make it even more like the OS X Dock.

Ken

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From skipmeg at skipmeg.plus.com  Sun Jun  7 10:47:05 2009
From: skipmeg at skipmeg.plus.com (skipmeg at skipmeg.plus.com)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 10:47:05 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Second Mac OSX Basics Course
In-Reply-To: <B5AA7B1A-69D8-4D05-B796-B5545348C7DF@mac.com>
References: <B5AA7B1A-69D8-4D05-B796-B5545348C7DF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <452188c42c92d89f8e6e4596c3a042ef.squirrel@webmail.plus.net>

>Hello Richard,

Will attend. Thank you. Brian Coman
>
>
>
> Second Mac OSX Basics Course
>
> Sat 13th June from 10.00 'till 12.00 noon.
>
>



From macman at f2s.com  Sun Jun  7 16:46:06 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 16:46:06 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Advice Please
Message-ID: <8D6274A9-271A-4522-8851-DFA2624A2A04@f2s.com>

I have several hundred Kodachrome slides from the 1970s and would like  
to digitalise some of them (maybe 50-100) for a reunion in August of  
the people featured.    This is not in order to win any photography  
awards, simply a bit of nostalgia, and if I could show them on a  
laptop at the event, and offer a copy on CD to all concerned, it would  
achieve the objective.

I've looked at slide scanners, and it appears there appears to be an  
enormous diversity of gadgets which seem to claim to do the business  
from around ?80.00 or so for an A4 flatbed, all the way up to GT Turbo  
Pro level jobbies at several hundred ???s.

I do have a lightbox and tripod, so perhaps could simply re-photograph  
them if that's simpler.  Nowadays I only have a compact 3Mp Nikon but  
my son in law has a Canon DSLR, so I'm confident we could achieve a  
result.  I'm not sure, however, if this means one at a time using a  
Macro, or laying out in batches to photograph several at a time, them  
separate and edit them in Photoshop ......

I have very little knowledge of any of this, so please forgive my  
ignorance, but may I solicit suggestions / advice from the NMUG  
photography experts out there?

Thanks in anticipation .....

Robbie




From Interjay2 at btinternet.com  Sun Jun  7 17:20:19 2009
From: Interjay2 at btinternet.com (Peter James)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 17:20:19 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Advice Please
References: <8D6274A9-271A-4522-8851-DFA2624A2A04@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <5C114282A31A4BACBB9E7255436AB1B5@fujitsu>

Hi Robbie,
Hope this is useful to you.
I have a Canonscanner  3000F with the ability to scan one 35mm slide at a 
time.
Loading, scanning and saving takes about 1 minute per slide and the results 
are really very acceptable
I also have a Canon 4200F which will take 2 slides in the scanner, but this 
is a recent aquisition so no real benchmarking has been done yet.
You are welcome to borrow this 4200F if it helps.
I know you can do it with said lightbox etc etc, but I think the direct scan 
is an acceptable route to take.
Regards
PJ

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robbie Murray" <macman at f2s.com>
To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 4:46 PM
Subject: [NMUG] Advice Please


I have several hundred Kodachrome slides from the 1970s and would like
to digitalise some of them (maybe 50-100) for a reunion in August of
the people featured.    This is not in order to win any photography
awards, simply a bit of nostalgia, and if I could show them on a
laptop at the event, and offer a copy on CD to all concerned, it would
achieve the objective.

I've looked at slide scanners, and it appears there appears to be an
enormous diversity of gadgets which seem to claim to do the business
from around ?80.00 or so for an A4 flatbed, all the way up to GT Turbo
Pro level jobbies at several hundred ???s.

I do have a lightbox and tripod, so perhaps could simply re-photograph
them if that's simpler.  Nowadays I only have a compact 3Mp Nikon but
my son in law has a Canon DSLR, so I'm confident we could achieve a
result.  I'm not sure, however, if this means one at a time using a
Macro, or laying out in batches to photograph several at a time, them
separate and edit them in Photoshop ......

I have very little knowledge of any of this, so please forgive my
ignorance, but may I solicit suggestions / advice from the NMUG
photography experts out there?

Thanks in anticipation .....

Robbie


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From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk  Sun Jun  7 17:22:40 2009
From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 17:22:40 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Advice Please
In-Reply-To: <8D6274A9-271A-4522-8851-DFA2624A2A04@f2s.com>
References: <8D6274A9-271A-4522-8851-DFA2624A2A04@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <834D7224-E0C2-4FF8-B9FA-9F230E29E1DE@mendelsohn.me.uk>

Hi Robbie,

I have scanned slides in the past - a long time ago and to refresh my  
memory, I just tried a couple once again using our old Umax Astra 6450  
scanner connected by firewire to my computer. As Umax no longer  
supplied drivers for Mac, I use Vuescan which is very versatile. My  
slides are all very old (50 years +) so probably not that clear  
anymore also I noticed after scanning (at 600dpi resolution) that the  
scanned image was very dusty. I dragged it into iPhoto to see if I  
could adjust it - not very successful with this. Photoshop Elements  
might be a better option but I guess you need to make sure that the  
original slide is not dusty. So it is possible to scan an reproduce  
old slides.

Hope this helps a bit?

Regards,

Ed

On 7 Jun 2009, at 16:46, Robbie Murray wrote:

> I have several hundred Kodachrome slides from the 1970s and would like
> to digitalise some of them (maybe 50-100) for a reunion in August of
> the people featured.    This is not in order to win any photography
> awards, simply a bit of nostalgia, and if I could show them on a
> laptop at the event, and offer a copy on CD to all concerned, it would
> achieve the objective.
>
> I've looked at slide scanners, and it appears there appears to be an
> enormous diversity of gadgets which seem to claim to do the business
> from around ?80.00 or so for an A4 flatbed, all the way up to GT Turbo
> Pro level jobbies at several hundred ???s.
>
> I do have a lightbox and tripod, so perhaps could simply re-photograph
> them if that's simpler.  Nowadays I only have a compact 3Mp Nikon but
> my son in law has a Canon DSLR, so I'm confident we could achieve a
> result.  I'm not sure, however, if this means one at a time using a
> Macro, or laying out in batches to photograph several at a time, them
> separate and edit them in Photoshop ......
>
> I have very little knowledge of any of this, so please forgive my
> ignorance, but may I solicit suggestions / advice from the NMUG
> photography experts out there?
>
> Thanks in anticipation .....
>
> Robbie
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Jun  7 18:26:36 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 18:26:36 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ISP Hunt
Message-ID: <1073D8C8-0C56-4C62-AA4B-D8572A4CC4E9@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

Once again I am looking for a new ISP. I am about a month away from my  
12 months with Tiscali and they haven't been too bad. Had about a week  
of outages which was apparently BTs fault.

As always with me, price is the key ingredient. Was looking for  
someone who can provide me with Internet, Telephone and possible TV. I  
don't live in a cable area so can't opt for Virgin Cable.

Broadband needs to be fairly fast as I run 5 machines at once, also  
unlimited downloads would be best. Telephone I would prefer not to pay  
BT for line rental, just so I have one bill from one company and would  
like 24/7 landline calls. TV would be a nice addition but not essential.

I am currently paying three different providers an absolute fortune.  
Sky ?19 for TV, Tiscali ?15 for broadband and BT ?25 for telephone and  
24/7 landline calls. A staggering ?59.

I also am not bothered if they track and sell your data.

Any suggestions.

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From june.perrett at mac.com  Sun Jun  7 18:46:14 2009
From: june.perrett at mac.com (June Perrett)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 18:46:14 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 2nd Mac OS X Basics Course on 13/6/09
Message-ID: <F2B94064-161E-4EC6-8F2F-5CF551F99DD4@mac.com>

Richard
Please put my name down for Saturday. Thank you.
June 
   


From p.hunter at ntlworld.com  Sun Jun  7 19:00:53 2009
From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 19:00:53 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ISP Hunt
In-Reply-To: <1073D8C8-0C56-4C62-AA4B-D8572A4CC4E9@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <1073D8C8-0C56-4C62-AA4B-D8572A4CC4E9@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <2EDA427A-E9FE-4294-B704-136661DE2361@ntlworld.com>

Hi Simon, why not just change everything to Sky?
They do a good broadband service, and now they offer their own  
(independent of BT) line rental for telephone.
Ask them what deals they have on offer, you could get a really good  
price for putting them all in one package.
Worth asking.

Peter


On 7 Jun 2009, at 18:26, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> Once again I am looking for a new ISP. I am about a month away from my
> 12 months with Tiscali and they haven't been too bad. Had about a week
> of outages which was apparently BTs fault.
>
> As always with me, price is the key ingredient. Was looking for
> someone who can provide me with Internet, Telephone and possible TV. I
> don't live in a cable area so can't opt for Virgin Cable.
>
> Broadband needs to be fairly fast as I run 5 machines at once, also
> unlimited downloads would be best. Telephone I would prefer not to pay
> BT for line rental, just so I have one bill from one company and would
> like 24/7 landline calls. TV would be a nice addition but not  
> essential.
>
> I am currently paying three different providers an absolute fortune.
> Sky ?19 for TV, Tiscali ?15 for broadband and BT ?25 for telephone and
> 24/7 landline calls. A staggering ?59.
>
> I also am not bothered if they track and sell your data.
>
> Any suggestions.
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Jun  7 19:41:08 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 19:41:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ISP Hunt
In-Reply-To: <2EDA427A-E9FE-4294-B704-136661DE2361@ntlworld.com>
References: <1073D8C8-0C56-4C62-AA4B-D8572A4CC4E9@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<2EDA427A-E9FE-4294-B704-136661DE2361@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <FA1AF533-CAFA-4A7C-B18C-84010F1AB657@simonroyal.co.uk>

Peter

Long story. When we signed up for Sky 12 months ago that was what we  
wanted. They installed our Sky TV then prompted to tell us we could  
have the special 3 for ?16 offer in our area - and still cant.

Simon

On 7 Jun 2009, at 19:00, Peter Hunter wrote:

> Hi Simon, why not just change everything to Sky?
> They do a good broadband service, and now they offer their own
> (independent of BT) line rental for telephone.
> Ask them what deals they have on offer, you could get a really good
> price for putting them all in one package.
> Worth asking.
>
> Peter
>
>
> On 7 Jun 2009, at 18:26, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Once again I am looking for a new ISP. I am about a month away from  
>> my
>> 12 months with Tiscali and they haven't been too bad. Had about a  
>> week
>> of outages which was apparently BTs fault.
>>
>> As always with me, price is the key ingredient. Was looking for
>> someone who can provide me with Internet, Telephone and possible  
>> TV. I
>> don't live in a cable area so can't opt for Virgin Cable.
>>
>> Broadband needs to be fairly fast as I run 5 machines at once, also
>> unlimited downloads would be best. Telephone I would prefer not to  
>> pay
>> BT for line rental, just so I have one bill from one company and  
>> would
>> like 24/7 landline calls. TV would be a nice addition but not
>> essential.
>>
>> I am currently paying three different providers an absolute fortune.
>> Sky ?19 for TV, Tiscali ?15 for broadband and BT ?25 for telephone  
>> and
>> 24/7 landline calls. A staggering ?59.
>>
>> I also am not bothered if they track and sell your data.
>>
>> Any suggestions.
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net  Sun Jun  7 20:07:06 2009
From: Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net (Jeremy Webb)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 20:07:06 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Advice Please
In-Reply-To: <8D6274A9-271A-4522-8851-DFA2624A2A04@f2s.com>
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Hi Robbie

No doubt you'll get lots of suggestions for different scanners :-) I  
would personally plump for something like the Epson Perfection 4990  
which has given me fantastic service for a few years now. I supply  
occasional high res scans of  transparencies of my work to a number  
of agencies and several have remarked that the quality is comparable  
to that of a drum scan, which is for many people the pinnacle of high  
res/high quality scanning from transparency. I'm certainly not  
complaining about the sales I've made resulting from Epson scans -  a  
so-called consumer-end desktop scanner which can produce results of  
this quality for a fraction of the cost of drum scans. Your  
requirements could probably be met by any number of good, used  
scanners which come with a transparency hood or facility for scanning  
slides as well as prints, or flat artwork.

I'd avoid the lightbox method for 35mm slides if I were you. Unless  
your photo technique is top-notch, you may come across problems with   
exposure, colour cast, fringing, hot spots, and so on. Worse still,  
trying to get batches photographed may mean you'll end up enlarging a  
tiny portion of a digital image which (despite the claimed Mp count  
of your camera) will result in pixellation and a very degraded "crop"  
of poor quality.

For your needs, you probably won't require high res scans but good  
reliable medium res scans - somewhere between 1750 pixels x 2500 &  
2500 x 3500 would probably meet your needs with room to spare. There  
are many good desktop scanners out there which would give you this.  
You would just have to put in the time, to get the results you want.  
Photoshop (as opposed to the much more limited iPhoto - at best, a  
good browser) will allow you to tweak anything which needs to be  
tweaked which wasn't dealt with in the original scan.

Hope this helps

Jeremy Webb
Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net

On 7 Jun 2009, at 16:46, Robbie Murray wrote:

> I have several hundred Kodachrome slides from the 1970s and would like
> to digitalise some of them (maybe 50-100) for a reunion in August of
> the people featured.    This is not in order to win any photography
> awards, simply a bit of nostalgia, and if I could show them on a
> laptop at the event, and offer a copy on CD to all concerned, it would
> achieve the objective.
>
> I've looked at slide scanners, and it appears there appears to be an
> enormous diversity of gadgets which seem to claim to do the business
> from around ?80.00 or so for an A4 flatbed, all the way up to GT Turbo
> Pro level jobbies at several hundred ???s.
>
> I do have a lightbox and tripod, so perhaps could simply re-photograph
> them if that's simpler.  Nowadays I only have a compact 3Mp Nikon but
> my son in law has a Canon DSLR, so I'm confident we could achieve a
> result.  I'm not sure, however, if this means one at a time using a
> Macro, or laying out in batches to photograph several at a time, them
> separate and edit them in Photoshop ......
>
> I have very little knowledge of any of this, so please forgive my
> ignorance, but may I solicit suggestions / advice from the NMUG
> photography experts out there?
>
> Thanks in anticipation .....
>
> Robbie
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net  Sun Jun  7 20:10:41 2009
From: Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net (Jeremy Webb)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 20:10:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ISP Hunt
In-Reply-To: <1073D8C8-0C56-4C62-AA4B-D8572A4CC4E9@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <1073D8C8-0C56-4C62-AA4B-D8572A4CC4E9@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <D2E678AF-A0C3-4666-836F-DE7978C4FF38@virgin.net>

Ooohh! that'll get Stefan going :-D

Jeremy Webb
Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net



On 7 Jun 2009, at 18:26, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> Once again I am looking for a new ISP. I am about a month away from my
> 12 months with Tiscali and they haven't been too bad. Had about a week
> of outages which was apparently BTs fault.
>
> As always with me, price is the key ingredient. Was looking for
> someone who can provide me with Internet, Telephone and possible TV. I
> don't live in a cable area so can't opt for Virgin Cable.
>
> Broadband needs to be fairly fast as I run 5 machines at once, also
> unlimited downloads would be best. Telephone I would prefer not to pay
> BT for line rental, just so I have one bill from one company and would
> like 24/7 landline calls. TV would be a nice addition but not  
> essential.
>
> I am currently paying three different providers an absolute fortune.
> Sky ?19 for TV, Tiscali ?15 for broadband and BT ?25 for telephone and
> 24/7 landline calls. A staggering ?59.
>
> I also am not bothered if they track and sell your data.
>
> Any suggestions.
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
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From ricnev at mac.com  Sun Jun  7 20:34:08 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 20:34:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Advice Please
In-Reply-To: <8D6274A9-271A-4522-8851-DFA2624A2A04@f2s.com>
References: <8D6274A9-271A-4522-8851-DFA2624A2A04@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <4183CD8A-4B78-41DC-8073-88AA722E2916@mac.com>

I wanted to get a slide scanner to replace a low-res one I have had  
for years which was showing it's age.

In the end, I decided to go with the Epson Perfection V500 Photo.

This is a flatbed scanner with a slide/negative carrier which can scan  
four slides at a time. Software can automagically separate the slides  
into individual image files and optimise them.
Further processing can be done using the included Photoshop Elements,  
which is supremely capable and more than enough for most people's needs.

This review will tell you more:

http://www.itreviews.co.uk/hardware/h1454.htm

Richard Nevill.

On 7 Jun 2009, at 16:46, Robbie Murray wrote:

> I have several hundred Kodachrome slides from the 1970s and would like
> to digitalise some of them (maybe 50-100) for a reunion in August of
> the people featured.    This is not in order to win any photography
> awards, simply a bit of nostalgia, and if I could show them on a
> laptop at the event, and offer a copy on CD to all concerned, it would
> achieve the objective.
>
> I've looked at slide scanners, and it appears there appears to be an
> enormous diversity of gadgets which seem to claim to do the business
> from around ?80.00 or so for an A4 flatbed, all the way up to GT Turbo
> Pro level jobbies at several hundred ???s.
>
> I do have a lightbox and tripod, so perhaps could simply re-photograph
> them if that's simpler.  Nowadays I only have a compact 3Mp Nikon but
> my son in law has a Canon DSLR, so I'm confident we could achieve a
> result.  I'm not sure, however, if this means one at a time using a
> Macro, or laying out in batches to photograph several at a time, them
> separate and edit them in Photoshop ......
>
> I have very little knowledge of any of this, so please forgive my
> ignorance, but may I solicit suggestions / advice from the NMUG
> photography experts out there?
>
> Thanks in anticipation .....
>
> Robbie
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com





From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Sun Jun  7 20:39:59 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 20:39:59 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Advice Please
In-Reply-To: <4183CD8A-4B78-41DC-8073-88AA722E2916@mac.com>
References: <8D6274A9-271A-4522-8851-DFA2624A2A04@f2s.com>
	<4183CD8A-4B78-41DC-8073-88AA722E2916@mac.com>
Message-ID: <43BB6922-B276-43FE-AC3A-669634512FE3@virgin.net>


On Jun 7, 2009, at 20:34, Richard Nevill wrote:
> In the end, I decided to go with the Epson Perfection V500 Photo.
>
> This is a flatbed scanner with a slide/negative carrier which can scan
> four slides at a time. Software can automagically separate the slides
> into individual image files and optimise them.

  A few years back I bought an Epson Photo R200 as its transparency  
adaptor could do negatives over 4" wide. This means that the holder  
for normal 35mm negatives can do up to 12 at one go, 2 rows of 6, and  
still do that 'automagical' separation.

Paul




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Jun  7 21:25:17 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 21:25:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ISP Hunt
In-Reply-To: <D2E678AF-A0C3-4666-836F-DE7978C4FF38@virgin.net>
References: <1073D8C8-0C56-4C62-AA4B-D8572A4CC4E9@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<D2E678AF-A0C3-4666-836F-DE7978C4FF38@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <A3266051-B986-41C4-8F0E-B0ED08E6395F@simonroyal.co.uk>

Jeremy

I know. I thought of Stefan when I wrote that line.

Simon

On 7 Jun 2009, at 20:10, Jeremy Webb wrote:

>> I also am not bothered if they track and sell your data

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Sun Jun  7 21:25:35 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 21:25:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Advice Please
In-Reply-To: <C504266B-BF09-42CD-BCA7-12847F5801CF@virgin.net>
References: <8D6274A9-271A-4522-8851-DFA2624A2A04@f2s.com>
	<C504266B-BF09-42CD-BCA7-12847F5801CF@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <DB497781-BC4F-46C0-8D1F-314B07F19410@zen.co.uk>

One word - Kodachrome. Nightmare to scan as its different and denser  
to E-6. If theses slides are dark you may have issues.

I have a Nikon Coolscan 5000 and together with Vuescan its as good as  
you can get (16 bit and 4000 dpi)

Vuescan's IR cleaning has to be seen to be believed on this machone.

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 7 Jun 2009, at 20:07, Jeremy Webb wrote:

> Hi Robbie
>
> No doubt you'll get lots of suggestions for different scanners :-) I
> would personally plump for something like the Epson Perfection 4990
> which has given me fantastic service for a few years now. I supply
> occasional high res scans of  transparencies of my work to a number
> of agencies and several have remarked that the quality is comparable
> to that of a drum scan, which is for many people the pinnacle of high
> res/high quality scanning from transparency. I'm certainly not
> complaining about the sales I've made resulting from Epson scans -  a
> so-called consumer-end desktop scanner which can produce results of
> this quality for a fraction of the cost of drum scans. Your
> requirements could probably be met by any number of good, used
> scanners which come with a transparency hood or facility for scanning
> slides as well as prints, or flat artwork.
>
> I'd avoid the lightbox method for 35mm slides if I were you. Unless
> your photo technique is top-notch, you may come across problems with
> exposure, colour cast, fringing, hot spots, and so on. Worse still,
> trying to get batches photographed may mean you'll end up enlarging a
> tiny portion of a digital image which (despite the claimed Mp count
> of your camera) will result in pixellation and a very degraded "crop"
> of poor quality.
>
> For your needs, you probably won't require high res scans but good
> reliable medium res scans - somewhere between 1750 pixels x 2500 &
> 2500 x 3500 would probably meet your needs with room to spare. There
> are many good desktop scanners out there which would give you this.
> You would just have to put in the time, to get the results you want.
> Photoshop (as opposed to the much more limited iPhoto - at best, a
> good browser) will allow you to tweak anything which needs to be
> tweaked which wasn't dealt with in the original scan.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Jeremy Webb
> Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net
>
> On 7 Jun 2009, at 16:46, Robbie Murray wrote:
>
>> I have several hundred Kodachrome slides from the 1970s and would  
>> like
>> to digitalise some of them (maybe 50-100) for a reunion in August of
>> the people featured.    This is not in order to win any photography
>> awards, simply a bit of nostalgia, and if I could show them on a
>> laptop at the event, and offer a copy on CD to all concerned, it  
>> would
>> achieve the objective.
>>
>> I've looked at slide scanners, and it appears there appears to be an
>> enormous diversity of gadgets which seem to claim to do the business
>> from around ?80.00 or so for an A4 flatbed, all the way up to GT  
>> Turbo
>> Pro level jobbies at several hundred ???s.
>>
>> I do have a lightbox and tripod, so perhaps could simply re- 
>> photograph
>> them if that's simpler.  Nowadays I only have a compact 3Mp Nikon but
>> my son in law has a Canon DSLR, so I'm confident we could achieve a
>> result.  I'm not sure, however, if this means one at a time using a
>> Macro, or laying out in batches to photograph several at a time, them
>> separate and edit them in Photoshop ......
>>
>> I have very little knowledge of any of this, so please forgive my
>> ignorance, but may I solicit suggestions / advice from the NMUG
>> photography experts out there?
>>
>> Thanks in anticipation .....
>>
>> Robbie
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From p.hunter at ntlworld.com  Sun Jun  7 23:06:07 2009
From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 23:06:07 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ISP Hunt
In-Reply-To: <FA1AF533-CAFA-4A7C-B18C-84010F1AB657@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <1073D8C8-0C56-4C62-AA4B-D8572A4CC4E9@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<2EDA427A-E9FE-4294-B704-136661DE2361@ntlworld.com>
	<FA1AF533-CAFA-4A7C-B18C-84010F1AB657@simonroyal.co.uk>
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OK Simon, what a shame.

Peter


On 7 Jun 2009, at 19:41, Simon Royal wrote:

> Peter
>
> Long story. When we signed up for Sky 12 months ago that was what we
> wanted. They installed our Sky TV then prompted to tell us we could
> have the special 3 for ?16 offer in our area - and still cant.
>
> Simon
>
> On 7 Jun 2009, at 19:00, Peter Hunter wrote:
>
>> Hi Simon, why not just change everything to Sky?
>> They do a good broadband service, and now they offer their own
>> (independent of BT) line rental for telephone.
>> Ask them what deals they have on offer, you could get a really good
>> price for putting them all in one package.
>> Worth asking.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>> On 7 Jun 2009, at 18:26, Simon Royal wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Once again I am looking for a new ISP. I am about a month away from
>>> my
>>> 12 months with Tiscali and they haven't been too bad. Had about a
>>> week
>>> of outages which was apparently BTs fault.
>>>
>>> As always with me, price is the key ingredient. Was looking for
>>> someone who can provide me with Internet, Telephone and possible
>>> TV. I
>>> don't live in a cable area so can't opt for Virgin Cable.
>>>
>>> Broadband needs to be fairly fast as I run 5 machines at once, also
>>> unlimited downloads would be best. Telephone I would prefer not to
>>> pay
>>> BT for line rental, just so I have one bill from one company and
>>> would
>>> like 24/7 landline calls. TV would be a nice addition but not
>>> essential.
>>>
>>> I am currently paying three different providers an absolute fortune.
>>> Sky ?19 for TV, Tiscali ?15 for broadband and BT ?25 for telephone
>>> and
>>> 24/7 landline calls. A staggering ?59.
>>>
>>> I also am not bothered if they track and sell your data.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions.
>>>
>>> Simon Royal
>>> ---
>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Sun Jun  7 23:45:33 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Sun, 07 Jun 2009 23:45:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ISP Hunt
In-Reply-To: <FA1AF533-CAFA-4A7C-B18C-84010F1AB657@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <1073D8C8-0C56-4C62-AA4B-D8572A4CC4E9@simonroyal.co.uk>	<2EDA427A-E9FE-4294-B704-136661DE2361@ntlworld.com>
	<FA1AF533-CAFA-4A7C-B18C-84010F1AB657@simonroyal.co.uk>
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Simon,

You should be able to get the full package from Sky although since the 
Watton exchange is not yet unbundled, they will charge you more because 
they have to pay BT for your line.  I know people who have the full 
package from Sky who are also not on unbundled exchanges so when Sky 
told you you couldn't have the package you were after, I think it was 
the price they were talking about, not the presence of service.  You 
should get the full 8Mbps ADSL sync speed where you are (if not, it's a 
house wiring issue) although you PROBABLY won't be getting that much 
data speed from your present supplier, or indeed, any you have heard of 
because of contention and throttling somewhere along their network.  You 
won't get any of the higher speeds like those available to some Virgin 
customers (10-50Mbps) because the Watton exchange doesn't have the kit 
yet (don't hold your breath, either) and although you're in a town, 
you're still in the sticks as far as the cable companies are concerned.

Have a look at http://www.ispreview.co.uk.  It's a great site with 
reviews of some (not all) of the providers as supplied by users.  You 
will see that the favoured ISPs tend to be the small ones nobody has 
ever heard of.

If you want the services you mentioned, I would try Sky again and see 
what they say.

By the way, you are now with TalkTalk after their takeover of Tiscali.  
Run away!

Ken

Simon Royal wrote:
> Peter
>
> Long story. When we signed up for Sky 12 months ago that was what we  
> wanted. They installed our Sky TV then prompted to tell us we could  
> have the special 3 for ?16 offer in our area - and still cant.
>
> Simon
>
> On 7 Jun 2009, at 19:00, Peter Hunter wrote:
>
>   
>> Hi Simon, why not just change everything to Sky?
>> They do a good broadband service, and now they offer their own
>> (independent of BT) line rental for telephone.
>> Ask them what deals they have on offer, you could get a really good
>> price for putting them all in one package.
>> Worth asking.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>> On 7 Jun 2009, at 18:26, Simon Royal wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Once again I am looking for a new ISP. I am about a month away from  
>>> my
>>> 12 months with Tiscali and they haven't been too bad. Had about a  
>>> week
>>> of outages which was apparently BTs fault.
>>>
>>> As always with me, price is the key ingredient. Was looking for
>>> someone who can provide me with Internet, Telephone and possible  
>>> TV. I
>>> don't live in a cable area so can't opt for Virgin Cable.
>>>
>>> Broadband needs to be fairly fast as I run 5 machines at once, also
>>> unlimited downloads would be best. Telephone I would prefer not to  
>>> pay
>>> BT for line rental, just so I have one bill from one company and  
>>> would
>>> like 24/7 landline calls. TV would be a nice addition but not
>>> essential.
>>>
>>> I am currently paying three different providers an absolute fortune.
>>> Sky ?19 for TV, Tiscali ?15 for broadband and BT ?25 for telephone  
>>> and
>>> 24/7 landline calls. A staggering ?59.
>>>
>>> I also am not bothered if they track and sell your data.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions.
>>>
>>> Simon Royal
>>> ---
>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>     
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From p.hunter at ntlworld.com  Sun Jun  7 23:53:55 2009
From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 23:53:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ISP Hunt
In-Reply-To: <4A2C430D.4020701@stackyard.org>
References: <1073D8C8-0C56-4C62-AA4B-D8572A4CC4E9@simonroyal.co.uk>	<2EDA427A-E9FE-4294-B704-136661DE2361@ntlworld.com>
	<FA1AF533-CAFA-4A7C-B18C-84010F1AB657@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4A2C430D.4020701@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <3FE77D6A-B5FB-47D3-A052-F3312BD7929D@ntlworld.com>

I have got to agree with Ken here Simon. No company wants to lose any  
customers at the moment.
Phone Sky and tell them that you want to cancel your contract as they  
can't supply the services you require, so you have got to look  
elsewhere. I'm sure they'll come up with a deal you'll like. Give it a  
try.

Don't forget that things have changed a lot in the last 12 months.

Peter


On 7 Jun 2009, at 23:45, Ken Hamer wrote:

>
>
> If you want the services you mentioned, I would try Sky again and see
> what they say.
>
>
> Ken
>
> Simon Royal wrote:
>> Peter
>>
>> Long story. When we signed up for Sky 12 months ago that was what we
>> wanted. They installed our Sky TV then prompted to tell us we could
>> have the special 3 for ?16 offer in our area - and still cant.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> On 7 Jun 2009, at 19:00, Peter Hunter wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hi Simon, why not just change everything to Sky?
>>> They do a good broadband service, and now they offer their own
>>> (independent of BT) line rental for telephone.
>>> Ask them what deals they have on offer, you could get a really good
>>> price for putting them all in one package.
>>> Worth asking.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7 Jun 2009, at 18:26, Simon Royal wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> Once again I am looking for a new ISP. I am about a month away from
>>>> my
>>>> 12 months with Tiscali and they haven't been too bad. Had about a
>>>> week
>>>> of outages which was apparently BTs fault.
>>>>
>>>> As always with me, price is the key ingredient. Was looking for
>>>> someone who can provide me with Internet, Telephone and possible
>>>> TV. I
>>>> don't live in a cable area so can't opt for Virgin Cable.
>>>>
>>>> Broadband needs to be fairly fast as I run 5 machines at once, also
>>>> unlimited downloads would be best. Telephone I would prefer not to
>>>> pay
>>>> BT for line rental, just so I have one bill from one company and
>>>> would
>>>> like 24/7 landline calls. TV would be a nice addition but not
>>>> essential.
>>>>
>>>> I am currently paying three different providers an absolute  
>>>> fortune.
>>>> Sky ?19 for TV, Tiscali ?15 for broadband and BT ?25 for telephone
>>>> and
>>>> 24/7 landline calls. A staggering ?59.
>>>>
>>>> I also am not bothered if they track and sell your data.
>>>>
>>>> Any suggestions.
>>>>
>>>> Simon Royal
>>>> ---
>>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From tomkershaw at mac.com  Mon Jun  8 00:28:36 2009
From: tomkershaw at mac.com (Tom Kershaw)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 00:28:36 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ISP Hunt
In-Reply-To: <3FE77D6A-B5FB-47D3-A052-F3312BD7929D@ntlworld.com>
References: <1073D8C8-0C56-4C62-AA4B-D8572A4CC4E9@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<2EDA427A-E9FE-4294-B704-136661DE2361@ntlworld.com>
	<FA1AF533-CAFA-4A7C-B18C-84010F1AB657@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4A2C430D.4020701@stackyard.org>
	<3FE77D6A-B5FB-47D3-A052-F3312BD7929D@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <4A2C4D24.4080600@mac.com>

Sky's internet service is handled via ADSL I take it? Two-way satellite 
internet access is not an inexpensive proposition.

Tom.

Peter Hunter wrote:
> I have got to agree with Ken here Simon. No company wants to lose any  
> customers at the moment.
> Phone Sky and tell them that you want to cancel your contract as they  
> can't supply the services you require, so you have got to look  
> elsewhere. I'm sure they'll come up with a deal you'll like. Give it a  
> try.
>
> Don't forget that things have changed a lot in the last 12 months.
>
> Peter
>
>
> On 7 Jun 2009, at 23:45, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
>   
>> If you want the services you mentioned, I would try Sky again and see
>> what they say.
>>
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>     
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> Long story. When we signed up for Sky 12 months ago that was what we
>>> wanted. They installed our Sky TV then prompted to tell us we could
>>> have the special 3 for ?16 offer in our area - and still cant.
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>> On 7 Jun 2009, at 19:00, Peter Hunter wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Hi Simon, why not just change everything to Sky?
>>>> They do a good broadband service, and now they offer their own
>>>> (independent of BT) line rental for telephone.
>>>> Ask them what deals they have on offer, you could get a really good
>>>> price for putting them all in one package.
>>>> Worth asking.
>>>>
>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7 Jun 2009, at 18:26, Simon Royal wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> Once again I am looking for a new ISP. I am about a month away from
>>>>> my
>>>>> 12 months with Tiscali and they haven't been too bad. Had about a
>>>>> week
>>>>> of outages which was apparently BTs fault.
>>>>>
>>>>> As always with me, price is the key ingredient. Was looking for
>>>>> someone who can provide me with Internet, Telephone and possible
>>>>> TV. I
>>>>> don't live in a cable area so can't opt for Virgin Cable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Broadband needs to be fairly fast as I run 5 machines at once, also
>>>>> unlimited downloads would be best. Telephone I would prefer not to
>>>>> pay
>>>>> BT for line rental, just so I have one bill from one company and
>>>>> would
>>>>> like 24/7 landline calls. TV would be a nice addition but not
>>>>> essential.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am currently paying three different providers an absolute  
>>>>> fortune.
>>>>> Sky ?19 for TV, Tiscali ?15 for broadband and BT ?25 for telephone
>>>>> and
>>>>> 24/7 landline calls. A staggering ?59.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also am not bothered if they track and sell your data.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any suggestions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Simon Royal
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> Simon Royal
>>> ---
>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>   



From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Mon Jun  8 01:27:02 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 01:27:02 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ISP....
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1421.1244414740.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1421.1244414740.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <400EA269-A80D-4125-9EAF-5736D06A729C@gmail.com>


On 7 Jun 2009, at 23:45, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:

>> I also am not bothered if they track and sell your data.
>>
>> Any suggestions.
>


Reconsider!


From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Mon Jun  8 06:54:30 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 06:54:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ISP Hunt
In-Reply-To: <4A2C4D24.4080600@mac.com>
References: <1073D8C8-0C56-4C62-AA4B-D8572A4CC4E9@simonroyal.co.uk>	<2EDA427A-E9FE-4294-B704-136661DE2361@ntlworld.com>	<FA1AF533-CAFA-4A7C-B18C-84010F1AB657@simonroyal.co.uk>	<4A2C430D.4020701@stackyard.org>	<3FE77D6A-B5FB-47D3-A052-F3312BD7929D@ntlworld.com>
	<4A2C4D24.4080600@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4A2CA796.2000905@stackyard.org>

Correct on both counts.

Tom Kershaw wrote:
> Sky's internet service is handled via ADSL I take it? Two-way satellite 
> internet access is not an inexpensive proposition.
>
> Tom.
>
> Peter Hunter wrote:
>   
>> I have got to agree with Ken here Simon. No company wants to lose any  
>> customers at the moment.
>> Phone Sky and tell them that you want to cancel your contract as they  
>> can't supply the services you require, so you have got to look  
>> elsewhere. I'm sure they'll come up with a deal you'll like. Give it a  
>> try.
>>
>> Don't forget that things have changed a lot in the last 12 months.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>> On 7 Jun 2009, at 23:45, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>
>>   
>>     
>>> If you want the services you mentioned, I would try Sky again and see
>>> what they say.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>>     
>>>       
>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>> Long story. When we signed up for Sky 12 months ago that was what we
>>>> wanted. They installed our Sky TV then prompted to tell us we could
>>>> have the special 3 for ?16 offer in our area - and still cant.
>>>>
>>>> Simon
>>>>
>>>> On 7 Jun 2009, at 19:00, Peter Hunter wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>>>> Hi Simon, why not just change everything to Sky?
>>>>> They do a good broadband service, and now they offer their own
>>>>> (independent of BT) line rental for telephone.
>>>>> Ask them what deals they have on offer, you could get a really good
>>>>> price for putting them all in one package.
>>>>> Worth asking.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7 Jun 2009, at 18:26, Simon Royal wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once again I am looking for a new ISP. I am about a month away from
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> 12 months with Tiscali and they haven't been too bad. Had about a
>>>>>> week
>>>>>> of outages which was apparently BTs fault.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As always with me, price is the key ingredient. Was looking for
>>>>>> someone who can provide me with Internet, Telephone and possible
>>>>>> TV. I
>>>>>> don't live in a cable area so can't opt for Virgin Cable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Broadband needs to be fairly fast as I run 5 machines at once, also
>>>>>> unlimited downloads would be best. Telephone I would prefer not to
>>>>>> pay
>>>>>> BT for line rental, just so I have one bill from one company and
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> like 24/7 landline calls. TV would be a nice addition but not
>>>>>> essential.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am currently paying three different providers an absolute  
>>>>>> fortune.
>>>>>> Sky ?19 for TV, Tiscali ?15 for broadband and BT ?25 for telephone
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> 24/7 landline calls. A staggering ?59.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also am not bothered if they track and sell your data.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any suggestions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Simon Royal
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>>>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>>>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>             
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         
>>>>>           
>>>> Simon Royal
>>>> ---
>>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       
>>>>         
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>     
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>   
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Mon Jun  8 07:15:24 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 07:15:24 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ISP Hunt
In-Reply-To: <1073D8C8-0C56-4C62-AA4B-D8572A4CC4E9@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <1073D8C8-0C56-4C62-AA4B-D8572A4CC4E9@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A2CAC7C.2060505@stackyard.org>

And another thing.. the outage you're speaking of was caused by a 
contractor damaging a service tunnel on the Olympic site in London's 
East End, severing a major bunch of BT network cables.  BUT...   BT was 
able to re-route traffic for most people and I don't know of anyone 
other than Tiscali users who were down.  One customer I visited had been 
down for a couple weeks.  It transpired that her connection credentials 
(username and password) had been changed by Tiscali, causing her modem's 
connection to fail.  They had been reverted to an old set of credentials 
which she claimed had been changed 6 months to a year previously.  She 
didn't have the knowledge to change them herself and it was not the sort 
of thing that could be done accidentally.

So I am lead to believe that the Tiscali outage was actually due to some 
enormous problem at Tiscali (finger trouble, even) for which they blamed 
BT.   Just my theory.

Ken

Simon Royal wrote:
> Had about a week  
> of outages which was apparently BTs fault.
>
>
>   


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Jun  8 09:24:45 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 09:24:45 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Best Option For Formatting
Message-ID: <4CD1A845-7B77-4CE0-BF8E-B68ED740E759@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I have a backup drive that is 120GB formatted to HFS+.

I have a 200GB hard drive which I now want to use as a replacement for  
the 120GB drive, but I want to be able to the 200GB hard drive on both  
Mac OSX and Windows XP/Vista.

What is the best format to format it in? Can Windows read/write HFS+?  
Can Mac OSX read/write NTFS?

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Jun  8 09:41:31 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 09:41:31 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Best Option For Formatting
In-Reply-To: <4CD1A845-7B77-4CE0-BF8E-B68ED740E759@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <4CD1A845-7B77-4CE0-BF8E-B68ED740E759@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <0B0BE6CD-6074-412A-A4E3-6F060757EFBB@durrant.co.uk>

I'd suggest HFS+, and get software for Windows to read HFS+ disks.

MacDrive seems to be the thing. http://www.mediafour.com/products/macdrive/

That way you can use the disk with your Mac, sure that nothing will go  
wrong.

However, if you'd prefer, there is a free solution to read NTFS on Mac  
OS X. A combination of MacFUSE and NTFS-3G.

http://code.google.com/p/macfuse/
http://macntfs-3g.blogspot.com/

Although I see that the latest NTFS-3G will install MacFUSE for you if  
necessary.


regards,

Paul

On 8 Jun 2009, at 09:24, Simon Royal wrote:
> I have a backup drive that is 120GB formatted to HFS+.
>
> I have a 200GB hard drive which I now want to use as a replacement for
> the 120GB drive, but I want to be able to the 200GB hard drive on both
> Mac OSX and Windows XP/Vista.
>
> What is the best format to format it in? Can Windows read/write HFS+?
> Can Mac OSX read/write NTFS?



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Jun  8 10:04:33 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 10:04:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Best Option For Formatting
In-Reply-To: <0B0BE6CD-6074-412A-A4E3-6F060757EFBB@durrant.co.uk>
References: <4CD1A845-7B77-4CE0-BF8E-B68ED740E759@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<0B0BE6CD-6074-412A-A4E3-6F060757EFBB@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <040EE7E0-76BD-46A1-8A06-C746D7F09AC5@simonroyal.co.uk>

Paul

NTFS-3G looks good but I can't see if it can read and write to NTFS.

I want something that can either read/write HFS+ on Windows or read/ 
write NTFS on Mac.

Alternatively, Mac can read/write to FAT32 which might be an easier  
option.

Simon

On 8 Jun 2009, at 09:41, Paul Durrant wrote:

> I'd suggest HFS+, and get software for Windows to read HFS+ disks.
>
> MacDrive seems to be the thing. http://www.mediafour.com/products/macdrive/
>
> That way you can use the disk with your Mac, sure that nothing will go
> wrong.
>
> However, if you'd prefer, there is a free solution to read NTFS on Mac
> OS X. A combination of MacFUSE and NTFS-3G.
>
> http://code.google.com/p/macfuse/
> http://macntfs-3g.blogspot.com/
>
> Although I see that the latest NTFS-3G will install MacFUSE for you if
> necessary.
>
>
> regards,
>
> Paul
>
> On 8 Jun 2009, at 09:24, Simon Royal wrote:
>> I have a backup drive that is 120GB formatted to HFS+.
>>
>> I have a 200GB hard drive which I now want to use as a replacement  
>> for
>> the 120GB drive, but I want to be able to the 200GB hard drive on  
>> both
>> Mac OSX and Windows XP/Vista.
>>
>> What is the best format to format it in? Can Windows read/write HFS+?
>> Can Mac OSX read/write NTFS?
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Jun  8 10:05:52 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 10:05:52 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Delayed Posting
Message-ID: <02705E49-14C1-4262-A5F2-A3E703EDF7CC@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I have noticed that replies to my posts are coming in before my actual  
post. Well they are on my screen, which cant be true otherwise people  
would be preempting my questions.

Any ideas.

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Jun  8 10:19:43 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 10:19:43 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ISP....
In-Reply-To: <400EA269-A80D-4125-9EAF-5736D06A729C@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1421.1244414740.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<400EA269-A80D-4125-9EAF-5736D06A729C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <76BD6100-C385-48D1-804E-E30E11AE573B@simonroyal.co.uk>

Stefan

I'm sure a lot of ISPs do it without you knowing. I don't agree it is  
something they should do.

However budget is dirty word in our house. I would rather have a cheap  
ISP who sells on data than an expensive one that doesn't do it, but I  
can't afford.

Simon

On 8 Jun 2009, at 01:27, stefan youngs wrote:

>
> On 7 Jun 2009, at 23:45, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:
>
>>> I also am not bothered if they track and sell your data.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions.
>>
>
>
> Reconsider!
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Jun  8 10:28:35 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 10:28:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Best Option For Formatting
In-Reply-To: <040EE7E0-76BD-46A1-8A06-C746D7F09AC5@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <4CD1A845-7B77-4CE0-BF8E-B68ED740E759@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<0B0BE6CD-6074-412A-A4E3-6F060757EFBB@durrant.co.uk>
	<040EE7E0-76BD-46A1-8A06-C746D7F09AC5@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1C541CED-867F-467B-AFEB-37E1B35CEABD@durrant.co.uk>

http://www.ntfs-3g.org/index.html

Yes, it reads and writes.

FAT32 only handle us to 32GB, IIRC, so it's not an option for a 200GB  
disk.

Paul

On 8 Jun 2009, at 10:04, Simon Royal wrote:
> NTFS-3G looks good but I can't see if it can read and write to NTFS.
>
> I want something that can either read/write HFS+ on Windows or read/
> write NTFS on Mac.
>
> Alternatively, Mac can read/write to FAT32 which might be an easier
> option.



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Jun  8 10:30:34 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 10:30:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Delayed Posting
In-Reply-To: <02705E49-14C1-4262-A5F2-A3E703EDF7CC@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <02705E49-14C1-4262-A5F2-A3E703EDF7CC@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <155BD93A-2075-46F2-A22F-3231A6736FB0@durrant.co.uk>

Take a look at the full headers, and examine the times that the  
messages have got passed from server to server. Somewhere there's a  
delay between the NMUG server (mail.durrant.co.uk, 80.177.202.210) and  
your ISP's server.

Paul

On 8 Jun 2009, at 10:05, Simon Royal wrote:

> I have noticed that replies to my posts are coming in before my actual
> post. Well they are on my screen, which cant be true otherwise people
> would be preempting my questions.
>
> Any ideas.



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Jun  8 10:43:07 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 10:43:07 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Energy Saver Icon
Message-ID: <B98004BD-986C-44AB-B6B4-FB58CC59D474@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I was looking through my System Preferences and noticed a new look  
Energy Saver icon.

It is now a more energy efficient looking bulb. I Googled it (because  
I am sad like that) and nobody can pin point when it was introduced.

Some users running 10.5.6 have it, some don't. Some users running  
10.5.7 have it, some don't. Some Intel users have it, some don't. Some  
PowerPC users have it, some don't.

I have it on a PowerBook G4 running 10.5.7 - can't remember when it  
changed.

Simon Royal
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Jun  8 10:49:02 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 10:49:02 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Group Mail Oddness
Message-ID: <D489614E-A5EE-410F-BCC6-A0D95ECF4DC2@simonroyal.co.uk>

Paul

I am still experiencing problems with mail to the group.

I sent in a message (about the Energy Saver icon) at about 10:44 -  
when it appeared on the group it said 10:22. So it sat below the  
previous reply post from you (about Best Option For Formatting) which  
was sent at 10:28.

It's very annoying. It makes reading posts and replies to those posts  
very difficult.

Simon Royal
---
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Jun  8 11:23:06 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 11:23:06 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Best Way To Swap Drives
Message-ID: <E90EA3E6-3E37-4F3A-92E1-BD4944BE8D98@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

What is the best way to move all the data from my 120GB IDE hard drive  
to my 200GB SATA hard drive? I have my 120GB IDE drive in a USB 2.0/ 
Firewire combo case and I have a USB 2.0 to IDE/SATA connector.

I can't clone it as I want to switch from HFS+ to NTFS and I'm pretty  
sure SuperDuper or CarbonCopyCloner will only clone format to format  
(correct me if I am wrong).

Also my PowerBook only has USB 1.1 - so while transferring off the IDE  
drive wouldn't be slow as it is connected via Firewire, writing to the  
SATA drive would be slow as it is USB 1.1 only. 110GB is a lot to  
transfer over USB 1.1 but I will if I have too.

My wife has a Vista laptop with built in USB 2, which might be a  
quicker option, but can it reliably read an HFS+ drive?

Any help would be appreciated.

Simon Royal
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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Jun  8 11:31:08 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 11:31:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Group Mail Oddness
In-Reply-To: <D489614E-A5EE-410F-BCC6-A0D95ECF4DC2@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <D489614E-A5EE-410F-BCC6-A0D95ECF4DC2@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <9AC32180-62C8-4579-83C1-FF2CD1CE24E7@durrant.co.uk>

The answers are in the headers. Looking at your Energy Saver post in  
my mailbox:

The date in the post is
Mon, 8 Jun 2009 10:43:07 +0100

Plusne's incoming server received it:
Mon, 08 Jun 2009 10:43:08 +0100

Plusnet's outgoing server received it from Plusnet's incoming server:
08 Jun 2009 10:43:08 +0100

My server recieved it from Plusnet's outgoing server:
Mon,  8 Jun 2009 10:43:08 +0100

It then got sent out to the mailing list (or at least, my address):
Mon,  8 Jun 2009 10:43:11 +0100

And got routed into my mailbox by my server:
Mon, 08 Jun 2009 10:43:16 +0100

If you're seeing it with a time of 10:28, something is adding an  
erroneous time on the path from my server to your computer. You can  
only find out where this time os coming from by looking at the raw  
message (or long headers)

Paul

On 8 Jun 2009, at 10:49, Simon Royal wrote:
> I sent in a message (about the Energy Saver icon) at about 10:44 -
> when it appeared on the group it said 10:22. So it sat below the
> previous reply post from you (about Best Option For Formatting) which
> was sent at 10:28.
>
> It's very annoying. It makes reading posts and replies to those posts
> very difficult.



From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Mon Jun  8 12:04:51 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 12:04:51 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Before it happens
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1244458801.25649.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1.1244458801.25649.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7CCF3A89-DE00-4763-8A6E-D9326B0B569E@gmail.com>

Simon wrote:

> I have noticed that replies to my posts are coming in before my actual
> post. Well they are on my screen, which cant be true otherwise people
> would be preempting my questions.

Spooky! You're just too predictable, obviously!


From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com  Mon Jun  8 12:15:23 2009
From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 12:15:23 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Delayed Posting
In-Reply-To: <02705E49-14C1-4262-A5F2-A3E703EDF7CC@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <02705E49-14C1-4262-A5F2-A3E703EDF7CC@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5A0354AC-4F77-44A0-85FC-2F706D83D891@gmail.com>

If this carries on Simon, you'll be able to answer us before we ask  
the question but I guess you already knew that!
Richard
rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com



On 8 Jun 2009, at 10:05, Simon Royal wrote:

> people
> would be preempting my questions.



From Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net  Mon Jun  8 12:24:08 2009
From: Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net (Jeremy Webb)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 12:24:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Delayed Posting
In-Reply-To: <5A0354AC-4F77-44A0-85FC-2F706D83D891@gmail.com>
References: <02705E49-14C1-4262-A5F2-A3E703EDF7CC@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<5A0354AC-4F77-44A0-85FC-2F706D83D891@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C237858B-6879-4A67-8E8C-AE7E8DFE0A58@virgin.net>

Hi Simon

In answer to your next 5 questions, my replies will be as follows:

1. Yes

2. Don't know

3. Fish heads

4. A vague sense of loss

5. Probably, but only if you turn it anticlockwise.

Hope this helps

Jeremy Webb
Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net



On 8 Jun 2009, at 12:15, Richard Stewart wrote:

> If this carries on Simon, you'll be able to answer us before we ask
> the question but I guess you already knew that!
> Richard
> rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com
>
>
>
> On 8 Jun 2009, at 10:05, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> people
>> would be preempting my questions.
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com  Mon Jun  8 12:44:07 2009
From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (Simon Bainbridge)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 12:44:07 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Best Option For Formatting
In-Reply-To: <4CD1A845-7B77-4CE0-BF8E-B68ED740E759@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <4CD1A845-7B77-4CE0-BF8E-B68ED740E759@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <427EF501-59E0-4C21-91B9-99CEE70CFB95@googlemail.com>

Simon

OSX can only read to NTFS but not write to. The best format for both  
OS's is FAT32.

There are apps out there so that OSX can write to NTFS.

Simon Bainbridge
On 8 Jun 2009, at 09:24, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> I have a backup drive that is 120GB formatted to HFS+.
>
> I have a 200GB hard drive which I now want to use as a replacement for
> the 120GB drive, but I want to be able to the 200GB hard drive on both
> Mac OSX and Windows XP/Vista.
>
> What is the best format to format it in? Can Windows read/write HFS+?
> Can Mac OSX read/write NTFS?
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Mon Jun  8 12:48:41 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:48:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Delayed Posting
In-Reply-To: <02705E49-14C1-4262-A5F2-A3E703EDF7CC@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <02705E49-14C1-4262-A5F2-A3E703EDF7CC@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A2CFA99.5090202@stackyard.org>

Simon,

Sorry to ask a stupid question but is the clock on your machine set to 
the correct time?

Ken

Simon Royal wrote:
> Hi
>
> I have noticed that replies to my posts are coming in before my actual  
> post. Well they are on my screen, which cant be true otherwise people  
> would be preempting my questions.
>
> Any ideas.
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com  Mon Jun  8 12:50:18 2009
From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (Simon Bainbridge)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 12:50:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Best Option For Formatting
In-Reply-To: <1C541CED-867F-467B-AFEB-37E1B35CEABD@durrant.co.uk>
References: <4CD1A845-7B77-4CE0-BF8E-B68ED740E759@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<0B0BE6CD-6074-412A-A4E3-6F060757EFBB@durrant.co.uk>
	<040EE7E0-76BD-46A1-8A06-C746D7F09AC5@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<1C541CED-867F-467B-AFEB-37E1B35CEABD@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C228C0BC-43FB-427E-95D8-4E94CB61FA5A@googlemail.com>

No sorry your wrong there! FAT16 is limited to 32GB, FAT32 does have a  
capacity limit unless you use Windows 2000 or older.

Simon Bainbridge

On 8 Jun 2009, at 10:28, Paul Durrant wrote:

> http://www.ntfs-3g.org/index.html
>
> Yes, it reads and writes.
>
> FAT32 only handle us to 32GB, IIRC, so it's not an option for a 200GB
> disk.
>
> Paul
>
> On 8 Jun 2009, at 10:04, Simon Royal wrote:
>> NTFS-3G looks good but I can't see if it can read and write to NTFS.
>>
>> I want something that can either read/write HFS+ on Windows or read/
>> write NTFS on Mac.
>>
>> Alternatively, Mac can read/write to FAT32 which might be an easier
>> option.
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Jun  8 12:59:58 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 12:59:58 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Delayed Posting
In-Reply-To: <4A2CFA99.5090202@stackyard.org>
References: <02705E49-14C1-4262-A5F2-A3E703EDF7CC@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<4A2CFA99.5090202@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <5D49F500-9EA7-4B36-BFD8-0E90E790C199@simonroyal.co.uk>

Ken

Yes. :)

Simon

On 8 Jun 2009, at 12:48, Ken Hamer wrote:

> Simon,
>
> Sorry to ask a stupid question but is the clock on your machine set to
> the correct time?
>
> Ken
>
> Simon Royal wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> I have noticed that replies to my posts are coming in before my  
>> actual
>> post. Well they are on my screen, which cant be true otherwise people
>> would be preempting my questions.
>>
>> Any ideas.
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
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From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com  Mon Jun  8 13:07:49 2009
From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 13:07:49 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 10.3.9 install disc for a Ti G4 Powerbook
Message-ID: <867E1A41-E928-4273-A0DA-27F720D0336C@gmail.com>

Does anyone have a 10.3.9 disc that they would be willing to pass on?  
Reasonable recompense to conclude deal is a given. This would be to  
perform clean install on a recently inherited Ti G4 powerbook with  
30GB-yes 30 and 500 Mhz CPU with 512Mb RAM. Can I expect reasonable  
performance from this beast or is it just a milestone along the Apple  
highway?
Richard
rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com





From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Jun  8 13:08:43 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 13:08:43 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Best Option For Formatting
In-Reply-To: <C228C0BC-43FB-427E-95D8-4E94CB61FA5A@googlemail.com>
References: <4CD1A845-7B77-4CE0-BF8E-B68ED740E759@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<0B0BE6CD-6074-412A-A4E3-6F060757EFBB@durrant.co.uk>
	<040EE7E0-76BD-46A1-8A06-C746D7F09AC5@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<1C541CED-867F-467B-AFEB-37E1B35CEABD@durrant.co.uk>
	<C228C0BC-43FB-427E-95D8-4E94CB61FA5A@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <7BCE6096-13B8-4A08-8EDA-E4BE6146F313@simonroyal.co.uk>

Simon

Windows ME supports unlimited FAT32 but has no LBA 48 support so is  
limited to 128GB, similar to mid range G4s and earlier.

Windows 2000 and upwards supports unlimited FAT32 and has LBA 48  
support.

Simon

On 8 Jun 2009, at 12:50, Simon Bainbridge wrote:

> No sorry your wrong there! FAT16 is limited to 32GB, FAT32 does have a
> capacity limit unless you use Windows 2000 or older.
>
> Simon Bainbridge
>
> On 8 Jun 2009, at 10:28, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
>> http://www.ntfs-3g.org/index.html
>>
>> Yes, it reads and writes.
>>
>> FAT32 only handle us to 32GB, IIRC, so it's not an option for a 200GB
>> disk.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On 8 Jun 2009, at 10:04, Simon Royal wrote:
>>> NTFS-3G looks good but I can't see if it can read and write to NTFS.
>>>
>>> I want something that can either read/write HFS+ on Windows or read/
>>> write NTFS on Mac.
>>>
>>> Alternatively, Mac can read/write to FAT32 which might be an easier
>>> option.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Jun  8 13:10:13 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 13:10:13 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 10.3.9 install disc for a Ti G4 Powerbook
In-Reply-To: <867E1A41-E928-4273-A0DA-27F720D0336C@gmail.com>
References: <867E1A41-E928-4273-A0DA-27F720D0336C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A5106610-3CE7-4C51-A5DA-D13469096454@simonroyal.co.uk>

Richard

I recommend running 10.4 on it and not 10.3.

I have always found 10.3 a bit sluggish. Also 10.4 is newer and a lot  
of software requires it as a minimum these days.

I had a 400Mhz TiBook running 10.4 and it screamed along.

Simon

On 8 Jun 2009, at 13:07, Richard Stewart wrote:

> Does anyone have a 10.3.9 disc that they would be willing to pass on?
> Reasonable recompense to conclude deal is a given. This would be to
> perform clean install on a recently inherited Ti G4 powerbook with
> 30GB-yes 30 and 500 Mhz CPU with 512Mb RAM. Can I expect reasonable
> performance from this beast or is it just a milestone along the Apple
> highway?
> Richard
> rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Jun  8 13:10:33 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 13:10:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Best Option For Formatting
In-Reply-To: <C228C0BC-43FB-427E-95D8-4E94CB61FA5A@googlemail.com>
References: <4CD1A845-7B77-4CE0-BF8E-B68ED740E759@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<0B0BE6CD-6074-412A-A4E3-6F060757EFBB@durrant.co.uk>
	<040EE7E0-76BD-46A1-8A06-C746D7F09AC5@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<1C541CED-867F-467B-AFEB-37E1B35CEABD@durrant.co.uk>
	<C228C0BC-43FB-427E-95D8-4E94CB61FA5A@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <FFB8F3CC-B1D2-4DD3-9CAB-D43FFC79F17C@durrant.co.uk>

You're right. I was mislead because Windows XP Setup limits FAT32 to  
32GB.

Paul

On 8 Jun 2009, at 12:50, Simon Bainbridge wrote:

> No sorry your wrong there! FAT16 is limited to 32GB, FAT32 does have a
> capacity limit unless you use Windows 2000 or older.
>
> On 8 Jun 2009, at 10:28, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
>> FAT32 only handle us to 32GB, IIRC, so it's not an option for a 200GB
>> disk.
>>



From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com  Mon Jun  8 13:15:33 2009
From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 13:15:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 10.3.9 install disc for a Ti G4 Powerbook
In-Reply-To: <A5106610-3CE7-4C51-A5DA-D13469096454@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <867E1A41-E928-4273-A0DA-27F720D0336C@gmail.com>
	<A5106610-3CE7-4C51-A5DA-D13469096454@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <9790C0AA-E56A-4F35-9F06-685532F4E39B@gmail.com>

Thanks Simon for that, so, to follow on from that info, does anyone  
have a suitable Tiger 10.4 disc  for P/book Ti. etc.,etc.
Richard
rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com



On 8 Jun 2009, at 13:10, Simon Royal wrote:

> 10.3 a bit sluggish



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Jun  8 13:20:47 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 13:20:47 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] HFSExplorer
Message-ID: <8354D4E1-60E2-4D67-B5D5-EAECD3399171@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I know we are verging on the side of non-Mac related, but I have done  
some digging and this might be a possible solution to my problem.

http://hem.bredband.net/catacombae/hfsx.html

HFSExplorer allows you to read Mac discs in XP/Vista.

I could then hook both external hard drives to my wifes Vista laptop  
armed with USB 2 and copy all from the HFS+ drive to the NTFS or FAT32  
formatted drive. Over USB 2 wouldn't take too long for 110GB.

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Jun  8 13:29:34 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 13:29:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] HFSExplorer
In-Reply-To: <8354D4E1-60E2-4D67-B5D5-EAECD3399171@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <8354D4E1-60E2-4D67-B5D5-EAECD3399171@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1D384F0F-1BC1-4636-9C77-BB93C42B92E5@durrant.co.uk>

It sounds like it might do the trick.

But I suggest you do some serious testing first. You've no idea if  
this will correctly transfer and preserve mac-specific flags, and data  
(e.g. resource fork), /especially/ if you do the first transfer on a  
non-mac machine.

I would be very cautious about using an NTFS disk to back up data from  
a Mac.

Paul

On 8 Jun 2009, at 13:20, Simon Royal wrote:

> http://hem.bredband.net/catacombae/hfsx.html



From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Mon Jun  8 13:52:59 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 13:52:59 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Before you ask...
Message-ID: <9AED21E9-E331-4400-9480-823927A96189@gmail.com>

Here are my answers to Simon's upcoming questions:

(1) yes it may be possible to fit 15 inch Wharfedales into a 2 button  
mouse but battery life will be a problem and a desk upgrade will be  
required

(2) the Zanussi iPhone clone does not work on extra fast spin

(3) painting the screen matt black with starglow paint is an effective  
security measure but is not supported under 10.5

(4) 128MB SIMMs fit perfectly in an Allegro glovebox but have no  
effect on MPG

:)


From footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jun  8 14:34:50 2009
From: footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk (joe butler)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 13:34:50 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NMUG] 10.3.9 install disc for a Ti G4 Powerbook
Message-ID: <703560.53970.qm@web26708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

I have about 3 or 4 disks your more than welcome to have one, give me a call on 07833774480, (evenings)
Joe

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--- On Mon, 8/6/09, Richard Stewart <rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com> wrote:

From: Richard Stewart <rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com>
Subject: [NMUG] 10.3.9 install disc for a Ti G4 Powerbook
To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Date: Monday, 8 June, 2009, 1:07 PM

Does anyone have a 10.3.9 disc that they would be willing to pass on?? 
Reasonable recompense to conclude deal is a given. This would be to? 
perform clean install on a recently inherited Ti G4 powerbook with? 
30GB-yes 30 and 500 Mhz CPU with 512Mb RAM. Can I expect reasonable? 
performance from this beast or is it just a milestone along the Apple? 
highway?
Richard
rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com



_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
NMUG at durrant.co.uk
http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



      

From macman at f2s.com  Mon Jun  8 15:11:21 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 15:11:21 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Before you ask...
In-Reply-To: <9AED21E9-E331-4400-9480-823927A96189@gmail.com>
References: <9AED21E9-E331-4400-9480-823927A96189@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D32677BE-0F37-43C3-831B-4AFD0F04A02C@f2s.com>

... but only on the MkII and later

The MkI with the square steering wheel used Mullard double triode  
thermionic valves .....

Robbie


(4) 128MB SIMMs fit perfectly in an Allegro glovebox but have no
effect on MPG

:)
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From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk  Mon Jun  8 15:38:58 2009
From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 15:38:58 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] TechTool Pro Volume Usage record
Message-ID: <2C2B0BF5-3FD2-4FFA-8E94-BA552EE70D3D@mendelsohn.me.uk>

Hi

Everytime we boot up our computer,  TechTool Pro (downloaded from  
MacUpdate)gives us the following message appears:

"TechTool Protection alert! The volume 'Camcorder' has 15% free space  
remaining. The volume usage threshold is configured in the TechTool  
protection system preference"

This applies to an external Hard drive - not one we use, only  
occasionally to look something up. How do we get rid of this constant  
message without disconnecting that particular hard drive?

Also - the preferences are greyed out. Any way we can access this?

Thanks

Phyll




From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Mon Jun  8 16:05:46 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 16:05:46 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Network appearance
Message-ID: <CCBF3026-8E07-43BD-849C-61BA5231188F@gmail.com>

When I am connecting to my 2nd machine (using Go>Connect to server) I  
often see another machine with an ID like mac3342215ecd5b

Is this someone else's Mac within wifi range? If not, what is it?


From munkt0n at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 16:23:47 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 16:23:47 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] TechTool Pro Volume Usage record
In-Reply-To: <2C2B0BF5-3FD2-4FFA-8E94-BA552EE70D3D@mendelsohn.me.uk>
References: <2C2B0BF5-3FD2-4FFA-8E94-BA552EE70D3D@mendelsohn.me.uk>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0906080823w5d556f0bm13d228f4b982cf83@mail.gmail.com>

is there a little padlock icon on the TechTool pref pane? if so, click
it, enter your password and you should be able to change the prefs.

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Ed & Phyll
Mendelsohn<ed at mendelsohn.me.uk> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Everytime we boot up our computer, ?TechTool Pro (downloaded from
> MacUpdate)gives us the following message appears:
>
> "TechTool Protection alert! The volume 'Camcorder' has 15% free space
> remaining. The volume usage threshold is configured in the TechTool
> protection system preference"
>
> This applies to an external Hard drive - not one we use, only
> occasionally to look something up. How do we get rid of this constant
> message without disconnecting that particular hard drive?
>
> Also - the preferences are greyed out. Any way we can access this?
>
> Thanks
>
> Phyll
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



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:wq


From karl.hortt at btinternet.com  Mon Jun  8 16:36:55 2009
From: karl.hortt at btinternet.com (Karl Hortt)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 16:36:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Email on network machines
Message-ID: <39B2FC6A-23A4-41AB-BBE5-3A989F478910@btinternet.com>


Hi All,


Today I have been in an office where there are :-

3 intel imac machines

they are networked by wireless to a time machine and the internet

1 machine is the main email machine and sends and receives emails

the other 2 machines want to send emails from the same main account,  
but all received emails need to go to the main machine only, as the  
other 2 machines are not used all the time


they have been using apple mail

today I set up 2 gmail accounts for the other machines, these are now  
setup to look as if they are sent from the main account and replies  
are sent to the main account


could I have done it different or easier ?


regards

Karl


From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk  Mon Jun  8 17:30:51 2009
From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 17:30:51 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] TechTool Pro Volume Usage record
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0906080823w5d556f0bm13d228f4b982cf83@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2C2B0BF5-3FD2-4FFA-8E94-BA552EE70D3D@mendelsohn.me.uk>
	<ac224bde0906080823w5d556f0bm13d228f4b982cf83@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3DC7FB1A-C7BE-43FD-B4A7-BFBACA813A33@mendelsohn.me.uk>

We  can't even get into the TechTool pref pane as it is greyed out...

On 8 Jun 2009, at 16:23, Scott Matthews wrote:

> is there a little padlock icon on the TechTool pref pane? if so, click
> it, enter your password and you should be able to change the prefs.
>
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Ed & Phyll
> Mendelsohn<ed at mendelsohn.me.uk> wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> Everytime we boot up our computer,  TechTool Pro (downloaded from
>> MacUpdate)gives us the following message appears:
>>
>> "TechTool Protection alert! The volume 'Camcorder' has 15% free space
>> remaining. The volume usage threshold is configured in the TechTool
>> protection system preference"
>>
>> This applies to an external Hard drive - not one we use, only
>> occasionally to look something up. How do we get rid of this constant
>> message without disconnecting that particular hard drive?
>>
>> Also - the preferences are greyed out. Any way we can access this?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Phyll
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> :wq
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From macman at f2s.com  Mon Jun  8 17:38:14 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 17:38:14 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] TechTool Pro Volume Usage record
In-Reply-To: <3DC7FB1A-C7BE-43FD-B4A7-BFBACA813A33@mendelsohn.me.uk>
References: <2C2B0BF5-3FD2-4FFA-8E94-BA552EE70D3D@mendelsohn.me.uk>
	<ac224bde0906080823w5d556f0bm13d228f4b982cf83@mail.gmail.com>
	<3DC7FB1A-C7BE-43FD-B4A7-BFBACA813A33@mendelsohn.me.uk>
Message-ID: <1988B3C4-019B-4D9F-8C6D-C2743918352A@f2s.com>

Are you sure it's a full version?   Some of the programmes in the  
Macheist bundles are restricted - could this be the same?


Robbie

On 8 Jun 2009, at 17:30, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote:

We  can't even get into the TechTool pref pane as it is greyed out...

On 8 Jun 2009, at 16:23, Scott Matthews wrote:

> is there a little padlock icon on the TechTool pref pane? if so, click
> it, enter your password and you should be able to change the prefs.
>
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Ed & Phyll
> Mendelsohn<ed at mendelsohn.me.uk> wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> Everytime we boot up our computer,  TechTool Pro (downloaded from
>> MacUpdate)gives us the following message appears:
>>
>> "TechTool Protection alert! The volume 'Camcorder' has 15% free space
>> remaining. The volume usage threshold is configured in the TechTool
>> protection system preference"
>>
>> This applies to an external Hard drive - not one we use, only
>> occasionally to look something up. How do we get rid of this constant
>> message without disconnecting that particular hard drive?
>>
>> Also - the preferences are greyed out. Any way we can access this?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Phyll
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> :wq
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
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From macman at f2s.com  Mon Jun  8 17:39:11 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 17:39:11 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Email on network machines
In-Reply-To: <39B2FC6A-23A4-41AB-BBE5-3A989F478910@btinternet.com>
References: <39B2FC6A-23A4-41AB-BBE5-3A989F478910@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <76572E4D-A830-4B27-85E5-A84DA7952FC4@f2s.com>

Don't know, but it's a solution I've used, and works well..



Robbie Murray
01603 620749
01603 516175
07882 007667
macman at f2s.com

On 8 Jun 2009, at 16:36, Karl Hortt wrote:


Hi All,


Today I have been in an office where there are :-

3 intel imac machines

they are networked by wireless to a time machine and the internet

1 machine is the main email machine and sends and receives emails

the other 2 machines want to send emails from the same main account,
but all received emails need to go to the main machine only, as the
other 2 machines are not used all the time


they have been using apple mail

today I set up 2 gmail accounts for the other machines, these are now
setup to look as if they are sent from the main account and replies
are sent to the main account


could I have done it different or easier ?


regards

Karl
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From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk  Mon Jun  8 17:51:33 2009
From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 17:51:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] TechTool Pro Volume Usage record
In-Reply-To: <1988B3C4-019B-4D9F-8C6D-C2743918352A@f2s.com>
References: <2C2B0BF5-3FD2-4FFA-8E94-BA552EE70D3D@mendelsohn.me.uk>
	<ac224bde0906080823w5d556f0bm13d228f4b982cf83@mail.gmail.com>
	<3DC7FB1A-C7BE-43FD-B4A7-BFBACA813A33@mendelsohn.me.uk>
	<1988B3C4-019B-4D9F-8C6D-C2743918352A@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <499F587C-D39D-4AFE-9E5C-C877D9F06E2C@mendelsohn.me.uk>

Not sure that it is a full version. It was contained in the bundle  
offered a couple of weeks ago by MacUpdate.
Phyll

On 8 Jun 2009, at 17:38, Robbie Murray wrote:

> Are you sure it's a full version?   Some of the programmes in the
> Macheist bundles are restricted - could this be the same?
>
>
> Robbie
>
> On 8 Jun 2009, at 17:30, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote:
>
> We  can't even get into the TechTool pref pane as it is greyed out...
>
> On 8 Jun 2009, at 16:23, Scott Matthews wrote:
>
>> is there a little padlock icon on the TechTool pref pane? if so,  
>> click
>> it, enter your password and you should be able to change the prefs.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Ed & Phyll
>> Mendelsohn<ed at mendelsohn.me.uk> wrote:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Everytime we boot up our computer,  TechTool Pro (downloaded from
>>> MacUpdate)gives us the following message appears:
>>>
>>> "TechTool Protection alert! The volume 'Camcorder' has 15% free  
>>> space
>>> remaining. The volume usage threshold is configured in the TechTool
>>> protection system preference"
>>>
>>> This applies to an external Hard drive - not one we use, only
>>> occasionally to look something up. How do we get rid of this  
>>> constant
>>> message without disconnecting that particular hard drive?
>>>
>>> Also - the preferences are greyed out. Any way we can access this?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Phyll
>>>
>



From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Mon Jun  8 18:24:32 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 18:24:32 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Access mail from 3 machines
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1435.1244479096.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1435.1244479096.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <679843CE-9935-486E-ADA3-43CC3BB12B92@gmail.com>

>

Karl asks


>
> today I set up 2 gmail accounts for the other machines, these are now
> setup to look as if they are sent from the main account and replies
> are sent to the main account
>
>
> could I have done it different or

Interesting question... Why can't you just use a single gmail account?


You stop the 2 satellites from asking for mail by setting the Check  
for New Mail (in General) to Manual for these 2 machines. This way  
they will never get the mail unless the user asks.. and you can cover  
that by setting these machines to leave the incoming mail on the  
server to be collected by the main machine.


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Jun  8 19:43:39 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 19:43:39 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New MacBook Pro 13", 15", 17"
In-Reply-To: <679843CE-9935-486E-ADA3-43CC3BB12B92@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1435.1244479096.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<679843CE-9935-486E-ADA3-43CC3BB12B92@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B58867F4-D7C1-45E0-80D9-3BD6238EF1BD@durrant.co.uk>

Apple have announced new MacBook Pro models.

Available in 13", 15" and 17" screens, up to 8GB RAM, up to 500GB hard  
drive, ALL will firewire 800, and 13" and 15" had built-in SD card slot.

13" MacBook discontinued - 13" MacBook Pro replaces it at same price  
points.

Prices when the online Apple Store comes back.

Paul



From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Mon Jun  8 19:54:43 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2009 19:54:43 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Network appearance
In-Reply-To: <CCBF3026-8E07-43BD-849C-61BA5231188F@gmail.com>
References: <CCBF3026-8E07-43BD-849C-61BA5231188F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A2D5E73.4040601@stackyard.org>

Stefan,

"Mac" in this case looks like it refers to a MAC (Media Access Control) 
address with the following string being the actual address , i.e. 
33:42:21:5E:CD:5B.  This is obviously the hardware address of 
something's network adapter.  Try the command "ifconfig" in a  terminal 
window and it will probably turn out to be either the ethernet port or 
wireless adapter of your own machine.

You wouldn't see a "foreign" machine unless you were connected to the 
same network, at least not unless you had absolutely no firewall anywhere.

Ken

stefan youngs wrote:
> When I am connecting to my 2nd machine (using Go>Connect to server) I  
> often see another machine with an ID like mac3342215ecd5b
>
> Is this someone else's Mac within wifi range? If not, what is it?
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Jun  8 20:44:34 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 20:44:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Announcements Summary
In-Reply-To: <B58867F4-D7C1-45E0-80D9-3BD6238EF1BD@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1435.1244479096.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<679843CE-9935-486E-ADA3-43CC3BB12B92@gmail.com>
	<B58867F4-D7C1-45E0-80D9-3BD6238EF1BD@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DEE990CA-FB43-42E0-A333-1BE11B114DBC@durrant.co.uk>

The only MacBook is now the 13" white MacBook for ?749

MacBook Pro now includes 13", 15" and 17" models, in six standard  
configurations.
All have Firewire 800, SD Card slot, built-in (non-swappable) 7-hour  
(8 on 17") batteries and NVIDIA 9400M Graphics

13" MacBook Pro, 2.26GHz, 2GB, 160GB:  ?899
13" MacBook Pro, 2.53GHz, 4GB, 250GB: ?1149
15" MacBook Pro, 2.53GHz, 4GB, 250GB: ?1299
15" MacBook Pro, 2.66GHz, 4GB, 320GB, +NVIDIA 9600M/256: ?1499
15" MacBook Pro, 2.8GHz,  4GB, 500GB, +NVIDIA 9600M/512: ?1699
17" MacBook Pro, 2.8GHz,  4GB, 500GB, +NVIDIA 9600M/512: ?1849

New iPhone: Looks identical to old iPhone, but much faster,  
3.2Megapixel autofocus camera that also does 30fps VGA video,  
electronic compass, voice control.

More details on iPhone OS 3 which will be a free upgrade for old  
iPhone (original and 3G), and will come installed on the new iPhone  
3GS. Also available for the iPod Touch for nominal upgrade fee ($10 in  
the US).

Mac OS 10.6, Snow Leopard will be out this Autumn. Will cost $29/$49  
for family pack.

The MacBook announcements were the big surprise!

Paul



From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Mon Jun  8 20:52:14 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 20:52:14 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Announcements Summary
In-Reply-To: <DEE990CA-FB43-42E0-A333-1BE11B114DBC@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1435.1244479096.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<679843CE-9935-486E-ADA3-43CC3BB12B92@gmail.com>
	<B58867F4-D7C1-45E0-80D9-3BD6238EF1BD@durrant.co.uk>
	<DEE990CA-FB43-42E0-A333-1BE11B114DBC@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6C95347A-3BC6-463F-9EEA-727953170ACA@virgin.net>


On Jun 8, 2009, at 20:44, Paul Durrant wrote:

> Mac OS 10.6, Snow Leopard will be out this Autumn. Will cost $29/$49
> for family pack.

Weren't they the prices for upgrading from Leopard? I think another  
$100 has to be added to the single price to buy it complete.

Paul C



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Jun  8 21:05:09 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 21:05:09 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Announcements Summary
In-Reply-To: <DEE990CA-FB43-42E0-A333-1BE11B114DBC@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1435.1244479096.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<679843CE-9935-486E-ADA3-43CC3BB12B92@gmail.com>
	<B58867F4-D7C1-45E0-80D9-3BD6238EF1BD@durrant.co.uk>
	<DEE990CA-FB43-42E0-A333-1BE11B114DBC@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <870E9582-6923-4B7D-B3FA-32A7AC85668B@durrant.co.uk>

BTW, before this announcement I thought that the best value MacBook  
was the white MacBook.

Now, unless the extra cost is prohibitive, I'd strongly recommend the  
new low-end 13" MacBook Pro.

For the extra ?150 you get

* Firewire 800 instead of 400
* SD Card slot
* Faster memory (1066MHz DDR3 vs 800MHz DDR2)
* Higher memory capacity (8GB ivs 4GB)
* Faster Processor (2.26GHz vs 2.13GHz)
* Backlit keyboard
* Multitouch trackpad vs scrolling trackpad
* Brighter, longer life screen (LED vs fluorescent tube backlight)
* Mini DisplayPort instead of Mini DVI (so could drive 30" monitor)
* Longer battery life (7 hours vs 5 hours)
* Thinner (2.41cm vs 2.75cm)
* Lighter (2.04kg vs 2.27kg)

The one thing you can't do on the 13" MacBook Pro that you can on the  
13" White MacBook is plug in headphones and an audio input at the same  
time, as they now share a port, switching function under software  
control.

A really nice new MacBook Pro 13". If only I could justfy one....


Paul

From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Jun  8 21:07:14 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 21:07:14 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Announcements Summary
In-Reply-To: <6C95347A-3BC6-463F-9EEA-727953170ACA@virgin.net>
References: <mailman.1435.1244479096.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<679843CE-9935-486E-ADA3-43CC3BB12B92@gmail.com>
	<B58867F4-D7C1-45E0-80D9-3BD6238EF1BD@durrant.co.uk>
	<DEE990CA-FB43-42E0-A333-1BE11B114DBC@durrant.co.uk>
	<6C95347A-3BC6-463F-9EEA-727953170ACA@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <7949958C-3EE9-4898-AECE-8A81F27C221A@durrant.co.uk>

On 8 Jun 2009, at 20:52, Paul Chapman wrote:
>
> On Jun 8, 2009, at 20:44, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
>> Mac OS 10.6, Snow Leopard will be out this Autumn. Will cost $29/$49
>> for family pack.
>
> Weren't they the prices for upgrading from Leopard? I think another
> $100 has to be added to the single price to buy it complete.
>

You are quite right. The pricing I mentioned only applies to those  
who've already got Leopard. I don't know the UK pricing yet, but I  
suspect it'll not be too far off the US prices.

Paul




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Jun  8 21:08:10 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 21:08:10 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard Intel Only
Message-ID: <B1CDC834-AEB0-4252-A7EF-BCF8B44CBDDB@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I was one of the speculators and hopers that Snow Leopard would work  
on a PowerPC Mac, but it is going to be Intel only.

Intel processor, 1GB RAM, 5GB hard drive space and DVD drive is  
required.

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Jun  8 21:09:52 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 21:09:52 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] =?iso-8859-1?q?Buy_A_Mac_Now_Get_Snow_Leopard_For_Only_=A3?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?7=2E95?=
Message-ID: <9F7FD2FF-C6ED-4611-8F5D-410B128E1A72@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I just read the UK Snow Leopard page on the Apple site. If you buy a  
Mac between now and September and it doesn't come with Snow Leopard  
you can get it for ?7.95.

Still can't see an upgrade price from Leopard to Snow Leopard in  
sterling though.

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From macman at f2s.com  Mon Jun  8 23:34:52 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 23:34:52 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Safari 4
Message-ID: <4B2B4DCA-0399-41AB-BEB9-D3A4F04B2DCF@f2s.com>

Out of the '150 features' in the final release which I have just  
installed, I think I understand about 6 of which I may consciously use  
2 or 3.

http://www.apple.com/safari/features.html

Having used the Beta since it launched, the most obvious change is the  
restoration of the tabs to their original location without having to  
employ a hack.

For me, it just felt so unnatural to have them along the top.....

Robbie


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Jun  8 23:36:24 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 23:36:24 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] MacBook vs MacBook Pro
Message-ID: <85F9A7DE-56C5-410A-B8EA-2F69BF0F7086@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

All this talk of Snow Leopard and dropping PowerPC has made me sit up  
and really want a newer Mac notebook. As ever money is usually my  
biggest stumbling block.

I am not looking for anything top of the range - an early 2006 or 2007  
model would do. I am currently using a PowerBook G4 Titanium which  
just about suffices my needs. The first generation MacBooks still come  
with about 3 times the processing power and twice the ram limit of my  
PowerBook G4.

Looking at the early MacBooks vs MacBook Pros I cannot see a lot of  
difference except screen size and graphics cards. Is that about it?  
System bus, hard drive size, optical drive and RAM limits are just  
about the same.

Is this similar to the iBook vs PowerBook, where the iBook (or  
MacBook) is more aimed at the consumer market and the PowerBook (or  
MacBook Pro) is more aimed at the business market - although there  
seemed to be more of a gap hardware-wise between the iBook and  
PowerBook than there is between the MacBook and MacBook Pro.

A lot of first generation Apples tend to have problems. iBook G3s  
suffered from graphics failures, first gen PowerBook G4 suffered from  
heating problems. My first gen Intel iMac died an early death. Do the  
early MacBooks have a record of problems or are they pretty safe.

I don't want to part with my PowerBook G4 as it really hasn't given me  
any problems and considering its minimum specs and I'm running Leopard  
on it it does very well. I only got this at a steal of a price due to  
a very generous Joe Butler (cheers buddy) and the fact it needed a new  
screen fitting and a few other parts.

Finally, if anyone has a MacBook about to be binned, in need of some  
work or just feels generous (ha ha ha) then let me know.

Simon Royal
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From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com  Tue Jun  9 09:19:45 2009
From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 09:19:45 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 10.3.9 install disc for a Ti G4 Powerbook
In-Reply-To: <703560.53970.qm@web26708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <703560.53970.qm@web26708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B87F0C0B-8BCF-4E00-815D-EE945E61097E@gmail.com>

Morning Joe, sorry for not getting back to you sooner. Yes I would be  
interested in one of your Panther discs, I'll ring you this eve to  
sort out details!
Richard
rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com



On 8 Jun 2009, at 14:34, joe butler wrote:

> have about 3 or 4 disks



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Jun  9 14:30:26 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 14:30:26 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] eMac For Sale
Message-ID: <71189721-2BC9-47E0-A623-5297E3CC0378@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I have an eMac up for sale.

Specs are: 800Mhz G4, 40GB hard drive, CD-ROM drive, 640MB RAM,  
running Mac OSX 10.4.11.

Comes with Apple white keyboard (the little white plastic sheeth with  
the Apple logo around the USB has come off but the keyboard still  
works perfectly and mouse. Mouse is a cheap car shaped USB mouse I got  
from eBay.

?40 without Airport Extreme card.
?60 with Airport Extreme card.

Excellent condition. Only used by my little boy to browse the CBeebies  
website.

Collection from Watton preferable, but delivery to Norwich might be  
possible.

Simon Royal
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From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk  Tue Jun  9 16:29:30 2009
From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 16:29:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Announcements Summary
In-Reply-To: <7949958C-3EE9-4898-AECE-8A81F27C221A@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1435.1244479096.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<679843CE-9935-486E-ADA3-43CC3BB12B92@gmail.com>
	<B58867F4-D7C1-45E0-80D9-3BD6238EF1BD@durrant.co.uk>
	<DEE990CA-FB43-42E0-A333-1BE11B114DBC@durrant.co.uk>
	<6C95347A-3BC6-463F-9EEA-727953170ACA@virgin.net>
	<7949958C-3EE9-4898-AECE-8A81F27C221A@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3ECC08B6-972A-4D3D-B121-ED182303A30F@themagic.me.uk>

Thanks for all the new product info. Snow Leopard looks a good buy.

My current, personal problem is "when do I replace my iTouch?" The  
iPhone's new items are mostly software which will be taken care of  
when I can buy the new release soon for $9.95 but I cannot ascertain  
if there will also be software built-in. Hardware changes such as a  
better camera do not apply although a camera in the iTouch would be  
popular. Am I going to have to wait until the first week of September  
(if I don't  buy the current model now) or has someone read something  
I have not?

Thanks

Anthony




From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk  Tue Jun  9 16:34:36 2009
From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 16:34:36 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Digital camera
Message-ID: <F3B1365F-A587-4B0E-87BB-38AE8488A5FA@themagic.me.uk>

I should like to buy a digital camera that is simple to use and shows  
the subject to be photographed clearly, is small in size and price. I  
do not need superb quality (it will be mostly used for e-bay sales).

I welcome any suggestions, to buy or makes to avoid.

Thanks.

Anthony



From Interjay2 at btinternet.com  Tue Jun  9 16:37:12 2009
From: Interjay2 at btinternet.com (Peter James)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 16:37:12 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Digital camera
References: <F3B1365F-A587-4B0E-87BB-38AE8488A5FA@themagic.me.uk>
Message-ID: <53477D5306F74D84B7185796E607762F@fujitsu>

Personally, I would use the camera on a Mobile phone.
Peter J

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Anthony Brahams" <anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk>
To: "Group list NMUG" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 4:34 PM
Subject: [NMUG] Digital camera


>I should like to buy a digital camera that is simple to use and shows
> the subject to be photographed clearly, is small in size and price. I
> do not need superb quality (it will be mostly used for e-bay sales).
>
> I welcome any suggestions, to buy or makes to avoid.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Anthony
>
> _______________________________________________
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> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue Jun  9 16:39:26 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 16:39:26 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Announcements Summary
In-Reply-To: <3ECC08B6-972A-4D3D-B121-ED182303A30F@themagic.me.uk>
References: <mailman.1435.1244479096.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<679843CE-9935-486E-ADA3-43CC3BB12B92@gmail.com>
	<B58867F4-D7C1-45E0-80D9-3BD6238EF1BD@durrant.co.uk>
	<DEE990CA-FB43-42E0-A333-1BE11B114DBC@durrant.co.uk>
	<6C95347A-3BC6-463F-9EEA-727953170ACA@virgin.net>
	<7949958C-3EE9-4898-AECE-8A81F27C221A@durrant.co.uk>
	<3ECC08B6-972A-4D3D-B121-ED182303A30F@themagic.me.uk>
Message-ID: <912F5DB1-2FE8-4583-B1ED-00E37ACFA3D4@durrant.co.uk>

It seems to me that in September (early October at worst) we'll see an  
updated iPod touch, with faster processor and compass included.

But I haven't heard anything - this is just an educated guess.

Paul

On 9 Jun 2009, at 16:29, Anthony Brahams wrote:
> My current, personal problem is "when do I replace my iTouch?" The
> iPhone's new items are mostly software which will be taken care of
> when I can buy the new release soon for $9.95 but I cannot ascertain
> if there will also be software built-in. Hardware changes such as a
> better camera do not apply although a camera in the iTouch would be
> popular. Am I going to have to wait until the first week of September
> (if I don't  buy the current model now) or has someone read something
> I have not?



From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Tue Jun  9 16:44:57 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 16:44:57 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] MacBooks
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1244545201.82258.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1.1244545201.82258.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <81C6CEBC-30B8-4521-8D27-46653496B9A4@gmail.com>

> Simon wrote

> All this talk of Snow Leopard and dropping PowerPC has made me sit up
> and really want a newer Mac notebook. As ever money is usually my
> biggest stumbling block.

I have 2 MacBooks. One is 2 years old, the other 1 year old. Both  
covered by AppleCare.

Both have behaved impeccably. I challenge anyone to see the graphics  
performance difference with the MacBook Pro line unless you are doing  
heavy rendering, and I mean heavy. It's really not an issue in my  
experience.

I have 3TB attached to one of them via USB and a Firewire DVD burner.  
I/O performance is excellent. I suppose Firewire 800 should be faster,  
but again, in normal use, I challenge anyone to notice the difference  
between that and Firewire 400.

I would not hesitate to recommend older MacBooks.


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue Jun  9 17:00:31 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 17:00:31 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] MacBooks
In-Reply-To: <81C6CEBC-30B8-4521-8D27-46653496B9A4@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1244545201.82258.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<81C6CEBC-30B8-4521-8D27-46653496B9A4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D53952C6-16A7-4E03-B370-D1F9857B7A4F@durrant.co.uk>

On 9 Jun 2009, at 16:44, stefan youngs wrote:
> I would not hesitate to recommend older MacBooks.

I have to agree. I haven't managed to find a good enough reason to  
upgrade my MacBook, which is the "late 2006" 2GHz model.

My only caution would be not to buy one with less than 2GHz clock  
speed unless you must. I had a MacBook Pro 1.83GHz at one point, and  
it was a lot slower than you'd expect given the small clock speed  
difference. Something to do with the cache on the processor I think.

Hmm.... my Applecare on it will be running out during the next year.  
Perhaps then. After three years I think I'll be able to justify a new  
machine. :-)

Paul




From macman at f2s.com  Tue Jun  9 17:14:43 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 17:14:43 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] MacBooks
In-Reply-To: <D53952C6-16A7-4E03-B370-D1F9857B7A4F@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1.1244545201.82258.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<81C6CEBC-30B8-4521-8D27-46653496B9A4@gmail.com>
	<D53952C6-16A7-4E03-B370-D1F9857B7A4F@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C09D07A2-436F-428F-8139-AD17B946D9A4@f2s.com>

... or you could just treat yourself!

Hmm.... my Applecare on it will be running out during the next year.
Perhaps then. After three years I think I'll be able to justify a new
machine. :-)

Paul


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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Jun 10 10:48:37 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 10:48:37 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Epson Help Please
Message-ID: <E0DFABA8-189F-464F-99FB-01D254D62550@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I picked up an Epson CX3200 printer/copier/scanner from Freecycle  
yesterday. It all seems to be functioning fine.

Gutenprint for OSX picked it up and it prints and copies fine. Haven't  
tried the scanner function out yet, but I am not too bothered about  
that.

However, printing is a bit odd. It seems to be ok printing colour but  
it won't print any black. At first I thought the black was empty,  
however the on screen display says ink levels are colour 30% and black  
60%.

I've have opened the hatch and it all looks pretty clean in there. The  
print heads look a bit inked up. I have wiped these, done a head  
clean, done a nozzle check and also told it that i have i put new  
cartridges in.

It is printing much better than it was when I first started, but still  
no black.

Is this worth pursuing? It is a nice printer and a major upgrade from  
the Stylus Photo 1200 I have been using. Seems to be a shame to get  
rid of it if it simply blocked, clogged or because it has been sitting  
for a while. The guy I picked it up from said it hadn't been used for  
about 6 months.

Any help appreciated.

Simon Royal
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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed Jun 10 11:21:28 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:21:28 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Epson Help Please
In-Reply-To: <E0DFABA8-189F-464F-99FB-01D254D62550@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <E0DFABA8-189F-464F-99FB-01D254D62550@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <181E7BA7-8033-45FF-AE8E-2AF6C2051B86@durrant.co.uk>

Epsons use a permanent print head, which can get clogged, especially  
if sitting around a long while. However, it's unusual for /all/ the  
heads to become blocked and to get no ink through at all.

It might be that there's some electrical fault between the printer and  
the print head.

On my Epson Photo R200 I found it was possible (without dismantling  
the printer - just from the access to the print assembly through the  
top cover) to actually remove the print head completely - a few  
screws, a few clips, and some delicate flexible electrical connectors.  
I could then properly clean the head when it had got blocked and all  
else failed.

Worth a try - since it's not a lot of use without the black.

regards,

Paul

On 10 Jun 2009, at 10:48, Simon Royal wrote:

> I've have opened the hatch and it all looks pretty clean in there. The
> print heads look a bit inked up. I have wiped these, done a head
> clean, done a nozzle check and also told it that i have i put new
> cartridges in.
>
> It is printing much better than it was when I first started, but still
> no black.
>
> The guy I picked it up from said it hadn't been used for
> about 6 months.



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Jun 10 11:44:03 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:44:03 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Epson Help Please
In-Reply-To: <181E7BA7-8033-45FF-AE8E-2AF6C2051B86@durrant.co.uk>
References: <E0DFABA8-189F-464F-99FB-01D254D62550@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<181E7BA7-8033-45FF-AE8E-2AF6C2051B86@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DA8AAC58-4C15-4C11-90C2-71EAAD098C8F@simonroyal.co.uk>

Paul

Will give it a try.

The plot thickens. I have printed a few pages - or the same A4 image  
which is mainly pink, black and grey. The pink comes out every time,  
the black is coming out a dull washed out grey - although one time it  
came through a lot quicker.

On the image - which is a Nokia wallpaper - which contains a small  
image of the Nokia holding hands image (flesh coloured) and the word  
Nokia (written in dark blue) - both the hands and the Nokia text come  
out perfectly.

Simon

On 10 Jun 2009, at 11:21, Paul Durrant wrote:

> Epsons use a permanent print head, which can get clogged, especially
> if sitting around a long while. However, it's unusual for /all/ the
> heads to become blocked and to get no ink through at all.
>
> It might be that there's some electrical fault between the printer and
> the print head.
>
> On my Epson Photo R200 I found it was possible (without dismantling
> the printer - just from the access to the print assembly through the
> top cover) to actually remove the print head completely - a few
> screws, a few clips, and some delicate flexible electrical connectors.
> I could then properly clean the head when it had got blocked and all
> else failed.
>
> Worth a try - since it's not a lot of use without the black.
>
> regards,
>
> Paul
>
> On 10 Jun 2009, at 10:48, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> I've have opened the hatch and it all looks pretty clean in there.  
>> The
>> print heads look a bit inked up. I have wiped these, done a head
>> clean, done a nozzle check and also told it that i have i put new
>> cartridges in.
>>
>> It is printing much better than it was when I first started, but  
>> still
>> no black.
>>
>> The guy I picked it up from said it hadn't been used for
>> about 6 months.
>
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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed Jun 10 12:19:45 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:19:45 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Epson Help Please
In-Reply-To: <DA8AAC58-4C15-4C11-90C2-71EAAD098C8F@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <E0DFABA8-189F-464F-99FB-01D254D62550@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<181E7BA7-8033-45FF-AE8E-2AF6C2051B86@durrant.co.uk>
	<DA8AAC58-4C15-4C11-90C2-71EAAD098C8F@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <F63B71B9-AA6B-4C14-95A8-081A6CF8E11D@durrant.co.uk>

You should be able to produce a test pages that will show the output  
from each colour and each nozzle. If not through the driver, then  
directly from the printer - try looking up the manual on the epson web  
site.

As for printing - if the colour inks are working, everything will look  
OK except for dark colours and pure black. It's hard to tell what's  
wrong from images with composite colors in them.

regards,

Paul

On 10 Jun 2009, at 11:44, Simon Royal wrote:

> Paul
>
> Will give it a try.
>
> The plot thickens. I have printed a few pages - or the same A4 image
> which is mainly pink, black and grey. The pink comes out every time,
> the black is coming out a dull washed out grey - although one time it
> came through a lot quicker.
>
> On the image - which is a Nokia wallpaper - which contains a small
> image of the Nokia holding hands image (flesh coloured) and the word
> Nokia (written in dark blue) - both the hands and the Nokia text come
> out perfectly.



From macman at f2s.com  Wed Jun 10 13:45:07 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:45:07 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Epson Help Please
In-Reply-To: <F63B71B9-AA6B-4C14-95A8-081A6CF8E11D@durrant.co.uk>
References: <E0DFABA8-189F-464F-99FB-01D254D62550@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<181E7BA7-8033-45FF-AE8E-2AF6C2051B86@durrant.co.uk>
	<DA8AAC58-4C15-4C11-90C2-71EAAD098C8F@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<F63B71B9-AA6B-4C14-95A8-081A6CF8E11D@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <00BA435D-A0AF-4B7B-9AAB-1ED4F8BE4428@f2s.com>

......   or just print a page of plain Lorem Ipsum?

"Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do  
eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad  
minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut  
aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in  
reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla  
pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in  
culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum."

Or any old text  - I use blocks of xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx  
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx


Robbie

On 10 Jun 2009, at 12:19, Paul Durrant wrote:

You should be able to produce a test pages that will show the output
from each colour and each nozzle. If not through the driver, then
directly from the printer - try looking up the manual on the epson web
site.

As for printing - if the colour inks are working, everything will look
OK except for dark colours and pure black. It's hard to tell what's
wrong from images with composite colors in them.

regards,

Paul

On 10 Jun 2009, at 11:44, Simon Royal wrote:

> Paul
>
> Will give it a try.
>
> The plot thickens. I have printed a few pages - or the same A4 image
> which is mainly pink, black and grey. The pink comes out every time,
> the black is coming out a dull washed out grey - although one time it
> came through a lot quicker.
>
> On the image - which is a Nokia wallpaper - which contains a small
> image of the Nokia holding hands image (flesh coloured) and the word
> Nokia (written in dark blue) - both the hands and the Nokia text come
> out perfectly.

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From yahooist at anyisle.com  Wed Jun 10 14:33:30 2009
From: yahooist at anyisle.com (Neil S.)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:33:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 2.5G iPhone Available For Purchase
Message-ID: <D86CAB06-C656-427D-8033-4C06951C1AAB@anyisle.com>

Hi Guys,

I see others sell their old Apple stuff here so I thought I'd offer  
the NMUG cognescenti my 1st generation iPhone.

My advert can be seen on my Fantasy Formula 1 Blog at http://anyisle.blogspot.com 
.

Regards...
Neil

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Sent from my iPhone


From david at vanedwards.co.uk  Wed Jun 10 19:54:18 2009
From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:54:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Safari 4
In-Reply-To: <4B2B4DCA-0399-41AB-BEB9-D3A4F04B2DCF@f2s.com>
References: <4B2B4DCA-0399-41AB-BEB9-D3A4F04B2DCF@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <p06240801c655ae592d73@[192.168.1.101]>

Dear Robbie,

Yes it all looks pretty unintelligible to me. But I've downloaded it 
anyway and then poked about in the preferences and come across 
something I've never seen before.

Do you happen to know what the database storage referred to in the 
Security pane is? When I click on "show databases" it tells me I have 
a database with some outfit called http://www.tripwolf.com I've never 
heard of this let alone signed up to it! Do you know what's going on?

Best wishes,

David



>Out of the '150 features' in the final release which I have just 
>installed, I think I understand about 6 of which I may consciously use 
>2 or 3.
>
>http://www.apple.com/safari/features.html
>
>Having used the Beta since it launched, the most obvious change is the 
>restoration of the tabs to their original location without having to 
>employ a hack.
>
>For me, it just felt so unnatural to have them along the top.....
>
>Robbie
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6 Whitwell Road,
Norwich,  NR1 4HB      
England.

Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899
Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Thu Jun 11 09:10:42 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 09:10:42 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Refurbished MacBook
Message-ID: <4B2A72CB-77D4-44B0-8B79-60E026096FE7@durrant.co.uk>

There's a 2.0GHz MacBook in the Apple refurbished store at the moment  
- ?579.

http://store.apple.com/uk/browse/home/specialdeals/mac

It's not the very, very latest MacBook, but it does have the GeForce  
9400M video chip.


Paul



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Jun 11 09:30:36 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 11 Jun 2009 09:30:36 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mail Stopped Recognising Password
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0906110930360.23235@pih-webmail01.plus.net>

Hi

I have been using Apple Mail quite happily for the past few weeks to get my 
emails.

However, I turned on my PowerBook and opened Mail and it asked for my 
password as the server was rejecting it. I typed it in and hit ok and 
within a few seconds it was asking again. It won't accept it at all.

I haven't changed anything, so why has it suddenly stopped working. I have 
had to revert to webmail for now.

The only thing odd that happened last night was I took my PCMCIA wireless 
card out of the TiBook (I powered it down first), and when I put it back in 
it gave a kernal panic, which meant I had to hold the power button to 
switch it off. It was late so I didn't turn it back on until this morning.

Simon

--- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. 
Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)





From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Thu Jun 11 09:38:41 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 09:38:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mail Stopped Recognising Password
In-Reply-To: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0906110930360.23235@pih-webmail01.plus.net>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0906110930360.23235@pih-webmail01.plus.net>
Message-ID: <39F381B2-4BA4-40E3-B12D-00A8901F8F24@virgin.net>


On Jun 11, 2009, at 09:30, Simon Royal wrote:

> However, I turned on my PowerBook and opened Mail and it asked for my
> password as the server was rejecting it. I typed it in and hit ok and
> within a few seconds it was asking again. It won't accept it at all.


Whenever that has happened to me it has not been a fault at my end but  
with the mail provider. Sometimes if it is busy it doesn't do all the  
connections in time before it rejects it and the default warning is  
"put in your password". If you haven't changed things at your end then  
just try again later and see if it works.

Paul


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Jun 11 11:15:31 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 11 Jun 2009 11:15:31 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Buying A New Laptop!
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0906111115310.23235@pih-webmail01.plus.net>

Hi

My wife bought a new PC laptop. Looked around the shop, saw the one she 
wanted. When she went to pay for it, they took the one off the shelf, put 
it back in its box and sent her away with it.

Is this normal practice? I thought display models were exactly that, ones 
you could see and then they went out and got a 'fresh' one all boxed and 
sealed.

If you bought one off the shelf that people had played with then it should 
be labeled as ex-display and priced accordingly.

Simon

--- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. 
Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)





From paul at durrant.co.uk  Thu Jun 11 11:25:46 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:25:46 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Buying A New Laptop!
In-Reply-To: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0906111115310.23235@pih-webmail01.plus.net>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0906111115310.23235@pih-webmail01.plus.net>
Message-ID: <CF6A0998-6D8A-4B61-8091-D1E3716E29F4@durrant.co.uk>

I completely agree. If you pay for new, you should get new, not the  
display model. They should have given her a sealed box, or a discount.

Paul

On 11 Jun 2009, at 11:15, Simon Royal wrote:
> My wife bought a new PC laptop. Looked around the shop, saw the one  
> she
> wanted. When she went to pay for it, they took the one off the  
> shelf, put
> it back in its box and sent her away with it.
>
> Is this normal practice? I thought display models were exactly that,  
> ones
> you could see and then they went out and got a 'fresh' one all boxed  
> and
> sealed.
>
> If you bought one off the shelf that people had played with then it  
> should
> be labeled as ex-display and priced accordingly.



From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net  Thu Jun 11 11:57:01 2009
From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 11:57:01 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Saturday class
Message-ID: <DAC91E4E-7E0E-48C9-95C2-A934FE8842BD@virgin.net>

Richard & Alan

Still cannot make this Saturday -- prior booking as mentioned.
Sat 12th Sept is in the diary.

Celia Arnoldi


From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Thu Jun 11 12:07:56 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:07:56 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Buying on the dark side
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1244718001.95559.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1.1244718001.95559.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4DFAA06D-451C-4EA4-8EED-F7C7DA03E0AC@gmail.com>



> Hi
>
> My wife bought a new PC laptop.


In some countries this represents grounds for a commitment order in  
that the person  "... did knowingly and with malice aforethought  
inflict further trauma upon the world."


From p.hunter at ntlworld.com  Thu Jun 11 12:35:51 2009
From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:35:51 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iMac for sale
Message-ID: <184EC5CE-9249-4309-B139-BD4A140F221A@ntlworld.com>

Hi all,

time to sell my Mac's. Not other reason than the fact that they are  
only 'fun' machines for me at the moment.

Everything I need/have to do on computers is PC/Windows only, so that  
machine has to stay on all the time, plus the laptop for mobile use  
has to be Windows as well. And I just don't have time to 'play' anymore.

Anyway, details are as follows:

iMac, 2.66 Intel Core 2 Due
4 GB 800 MHz DDR2 SDRAM
320 GB SATA HDD
Etc.

Running Leopard - 10.5.7
iLife '09 Update disc (and installed)
Wired keyboard (modern - 'flat' type)
Wired Mighty Mouse.
Apple Remote control

Includes all discs, books, and packaging

Purchased new from John Lewis  (9-2-9) with 2 year Guarantee.

Bargain at just ?650


Also on offer:

867 MHz PowerMac G4 Quicksilver.
1.12 GB RAM
160 GB HDD
DVD-RW
Running Tiger - 10.4.11
All original discs plus Tiger discs.
Original box, but no packaging.

Has a very minor fault (been like it since I purchased it)
If unplugged from wall, then plugged in again, sometimes (not always)  
takes a few presses of the on switch to start it up.

Therefore, bargain (I think) at just ?65.

If no one wants this then I'll just strip it down and use the bits.  
maybe I'll offer it on Cheapcycle first though.

If interested in either of the above, please contact me offline, or  
phone me on my mobile: 07983856097

Best regards

Peter




From p.hunter at ntlworld.com  Thu Jun 11 12:42:21 2009
From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:42:21 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iMac for sale
In-Reply-To: <184EC5CE-9249-4309-B139-BD4A140F221A@ntlworld.com>
References: <184EC5CE-9249-4309-B139-BD4A140F221A@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <97D7E578-E1E2-4DA8-8C89-FC0C80AA5750@ntlworld.com>

Sorry, I forgot to say, it's the 20" model.

Peter

On 11 Jun 2009, at 12:35, Peter Hunter wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> time to sell my Mac's. Not other reason than the fact that they are
> only 'fun' machines for me at the moment.
>
> Everything I need/have to do on computers is PC/Windows only, so that
> machine has to stay on all the time, plus the laptop for mobile use
> has to be Windows as well. And I just don't have time to 'play'  
> anymore.
>
> Anyway, details are as follows:
>
> iMac, 2.66 Intel Core 2 Due
> 4 GB 800 MHz DDR2 SDRAM
> 320 GB SATA HDD
> Etc.
>
> Running Leopard - 10.5.7
> iLife '09 Update disc (and installed)
> Wired keyboard (modern - 'flat' type)
> Wired Mighty Mouse.
> Apple Remote control
>
> Includes all discs, books, and packaging
>
> Purchased new from John Lewis  (9-2-9) with 2 year Guarantee.
>
> Bargain at just ?650
>
>
> Also on offer:
>
> 867 MHz PowerMac G4 Quicksilver.
> 1.12 GB RAM
> 160 GB HDD
> DVD-RW
> Running Tiger - 10.4.11
> All original discs plus Tiger discs.
> Original box, but no packaging.
>
> Has a very minor fault (been like it since I purchased it)
> If unplugged from wall, then plugged in again, sometimes (not always)
> takes a few presses of the on switch to start it up.
>
> Therefore, bargain (I think) at just ?65.
>
> If no one wants this then I'll just strip it down and use the bits.
> maybe I'll offer it on Cheapcycle first though.
>
> If interested in either of the above, please contact me offline, or
> phone me on my mobile: 07983856097
>
> Best regards
>
> Peter
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From munkt0n at gmail.com  Thu Jun 11 12:50:20 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 12:50:20 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] how to merge two folders?
Message-ID: <ac224bde0906110450x2ed3e40dhcbc53c040204c5c3@mail.gmail.com>

I've just discovered something very odd.

I had a folder called 'images' - this folder contained approx 10,000
product images for a website.
I had another folder called 'images' in a different location, this
folder contained about 100 new images, I wanted to merge these two
folders, so I did the obvious thing, I dragged the new 'images' folder
onto the other images folder, expecting to have an images folder with
approx 10,100 images. but no, I ended up with the old images folder
containing just 100 files! the 10,000 images had been deleted, really
deleted, as in not in the trash can. is this meant to happen? is
Finder really this destructive by default?

luckily I had a backup of all these images, but this behaviour seems
backwards to me, I don't know of any other desktop environment that is
this destructive when moving folders.

Scott


From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Thu Jun 11 13:03:25 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:03:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] how to merge two folders?
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0906110450x2ed3e40dhcbc53c040204c5c3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ac224bde0906110450x2ed3e40dhcbc53c040204c5c3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2642E75F-A7F2-443A-ADF5-DA81D6B9881E@virgin.net>


On Jun 11, 2009, at 12:50, Scott Matthews wrote:
> I had a folder called 'images' - this folder contained approx 10,000
> product images for a website.
> I had another folder called 'images' in a different location, this
> folder contained about 100 new images, I wanted to merge these two
> folders, so I did the obvious thing, I dragged the new 'images' folder
> onto the other images folder, expecting to have an images folder with
> approx 10,100 images. but no, I ended up with the old images folder
> containing just 100 files! the 10,000 images had been deleted, really
> deleted, as in not in the trash can. is this meant to happen? is
> Finder really this destructive by default?

Firstly, no it's not meant to happen as far as I know. Secondly are  
you really sure they have gone? If you drop a folder containing 10,000  
images onto a folder containing 100 images you should get a folder  
containing 101 items, 100 images and a further folder containing  
10,000 images. Have you scrolled down completely in the window? Is  
there a folder at the bottom of the list?

Paul C



From macman at f2s.com  Thu Jun 11 13:12:12 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:12:12 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mail Stopped Recognising Password
In-Reply-To: <39F381B2-4BA4-40E3-B12D-00A8901F8F24@virgin.net>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0906110930360.23235@pih-webmail01.plus.net>
	<39F381B2-4BA4-40E3-B12D-00A8901F8F24@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <8E58F487-E639-42EB-B976-F1D594A21777@f2s.com>

Yes, it's usually server constipation - f2s are past masters of the  
art ....

Solution is to change checking to manual until it sorts itself out.

Robbie

On 11 Jun 2009, at 09:38, Paul Chapman wrote:


On Jun 11, 2009, at 09:30, Simon Royal wrote:

> However, I turned on my PowerBook and opened Mail and it asked for my
> password as the server was rejecting it. I typed it in and hit ok and
> within a few seconds it was asking again. It won't accept it at all.


Whenever that has happened to me it has not been a fault at my end but
with the mail provider. Sometimes if it is busy it doesn't do all the
connections in time before it rejects it and the default warning is
"put in your password". If you haven't changed things at your end then
just try again later and see if it works.

Paul
_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
NMUG at durrant.co.uk
http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From paul at durrant.co.uk  Thu Jun 11 13:15:03 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:15:03 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] how to merge two folders?
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0906110450x2ed3e40dhcbc53c040204c5c3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ac224bde0906110450x2ed3e40dhcbc53c040204c5c3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <07E59483-14C7-4374-B9B7-E54ADDF79FB0@durrant.co.uk>

It sounds like you didn't drag one folder onto the other (in which  
case you'd have ended up with one folder inside the other), but  
dragged one folder into the parent folder of the other folder.

You will have been given a warning message something like "An item  
nameed <foldername> already exists in this location. Do you want to  
replace it with the one you are moving?", to which you must have  
clicked the "Replace" button.

It's the way the Finder has always worked. Well, at least since HFS  
arrived. I don't know how it worked on MFS disks.

Paul

On 11 Jun 2009, at 12:50, Scott Matthews wrote:

> I've just discovered something very odd.
>
> I had a folder called 'images' - this folder contained approx 10,000
> product images for a website.
> I had another folder called 'images' in a different location, this
> folder contained about 100 new images, I wanted to merge these two
> folders, so I did the obvious thing, I dragged the new 'images' folder
> onto the other images folder, expecting to have an images folder with
> approx 10,100 images. but no, I ended up with the old images folder
> containing just 100 files! the 10,000 images had been deleted, really
> deleted, as in not in the trash can. is this meant to happen? is
> Finder really this destructive by default?
>
> luckily I had a backup of all these images, but this behaviour seems
> backwards to me, I don't know of any other desktop environment that is
> this destructive when moving folders.
>
> Scott
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



From munkt0n at gmail.com  Thu Jun 11 13:16:15 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:16:15 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] how to merge two folders?
In-Reply-To: <2642E75F-A7F2-443A-ADF5-DA81D6B9881E@virgin.net>
References: <ac224bde0906110450x2ed3e40dhcbc53c040204c5c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<2642E75F-A7F2-443A-ADF5-DA81D6B9881E@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0906110516k59d3f433nd3a0996d4967ebad@mail.gmail.com>

nope, they've all gone.
I didn't drop the 'new' images folder into the 'old' images folder, I
dropped the 'new' images folder into the folder containing the 'old'
images folder.
If I was to do this on windows, KDE, Gnome, Solaris etc it would merge
the two folders , but OS X decided to obliterate the original contents
of the images folder.

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Paul Chapman<penguin.999 at virgin.net> wrote:
>
> On Jun 11, 2009, at 12:50, Scott Matthews wrote:
>> I had a folder called 'images' - this folder contained approx 10,000
>> product images for a website.
>> I had another folder called 'images' in a different location, this
>> folder contained about 100 new images, I wanted to merge these two
>> folders, so I did the obvious thing, I dragged the new 'images' folder
>> onto the other images folder, expecting to have an images folder with
>> approx 10,100 images. but no, I ended up with the old images folder
>> containing just 100 files! the 10,000 images had been deleted, really
>> deleted, as in not in the trash can. is this meant to happen? is
>> Finder really this destructive by default?
>
> Firstly, no it's not meant to happen as far as I know. Secondly are
> you really sure they have gone? If you drop a folder containing 10,000
> images onto a folder containing 100 images you should get a folder
> containing 101 items, 100 images and a further folder containing
> 10,000 images. Have you scrolled down completely in the window? Is
> there a folder at the bottom of the list?
>
> Paul C
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



-- 
:wq


From munkt0n at gmail.com  Thu Jun 11 13:17:55 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:17:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] how to merge two folders?
In-Reply-To: <07E59483-14C7-4374-B9B7-E54ADDF79FB0@durrant.co.uk>
References: <ac224bde0906110450x2ed3e40dhcbc53c040204c5c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<07E59483-14C7-4374-B9B7-E54ADDF79FB0@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0906110517p7c1054e9q62afe84b8a72f9f0@mail.gmail.com>

yes, I did get a replace warning, but I assumed it would just replace
any existing files and move the new ones, but it replaces the entire
folder.
ah well, I'll stick to the command line in future.

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Paul Durrant<paul at durrant.co.uk> wrote:
> It sounds like you didn't drag one folder onto the other (in which
> case you'd have ended up with one folder inside the other), but
> dragged one folder into the parent folder of the other folder.
>
> You will have been given a warning message something like "An item
> nameed <foldername> already exists in this location. Do you want to
> replace it with the one you are moving?", to which you must have
> clicked the "Replace" button.
>
> It's the way the Finder has always worked. Well, at least since HFS
> arrived. I don't know how it worked on MFS disks.
>
> Paul
>
> On 11 Jun 2009, at 12:50, Scott Matthews wrote:
>
>> I've just discovered something very odd.
>>
>> I had a folder called 'images' - this folder contained approx 10,000
>> product images for a website.
>> I had another folder called 'images' in a different location, this
>> folder contained about 100 new images, I wanted to merge these two
>> folders, so I did the obvious thing, I dragged the new 'images' folder
>> onto the other images folder, expecting to have an images folder with
>> approx 10,100 images. but no, I ended up with the old images folder
>> containing just 100 files! the 10,000 images had been deleted, really
>> deleted, as in not in the trash can. is this meant to happen? is
>> Finder really this destructive by default?
>>
>> luckily I had a backup of all these images, but this behaviour seems
>> backwards to me, I don't know of any other desktop environment that is
>> this destructive when moving folders.
>>
>> Scott
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



-- 
:wq


From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Thu Jun 11 15:14:42 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:14:42 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Buying A New Laptop!
In-Reply-To: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0906111115310.23235@pih-webmail01.plus.net>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0906111115310.23235@pih-webmail01.plus.net>
Message-ID: <4A311152.9000506@stackyard.org>

You're absolutely right to find this objectionable, Simon.  This is 
totally out of order.  Which emporium was this (so we can all avoid it 
in the future)?

Ken

Simon Royal wrote:
> Hi
>
> My wife bought a new PC laptop. Looked around the shop, saw the one she 
> wanted. When she went to pay for it, they took the one off the shelf, put 
> it back in its box and sent her away with it.
>
> Is this normal practice? I thought display models were exactly that, ones 
> you could see and then they went out and got a 'fresh' one all boxed and 
> sealed.
>
> If you bought one off the shelf that people had played with then it should 
> be labeled as ex-display and priced accordingly.
>
> Simon
>
> --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. 
> Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Thu Jun 11 15:43:21 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:43:21 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mail Stopped Recognising Password
In-Reply-To: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0906110930360.23235@pih-webmail01.plus.net>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0906110930360.23235@pih-webmail01.plus.net>
Message-ID: <4A311809.9080904@stackyard.org>

Simon,

As Paul and Robbie have already said, this sounds like something dead at 
the other end.  The question is: where IS the other end?  It looks like 
your email is hosted through plus.net (owned by BT).  The question is 
whether you download your email from your domain's POP/IMAP/http server 
or whether it gets forwarded by your hosting company to an email account 
on your current ISP (Tiscali).  Which server have you set Apple Mail to 
log in to?  If it's the Tiscali mail server, then you will just have to 
wait and try again later.  Robbie's troubles will be the same because, 
being on F2S, he will be using the Tiscali email infrastructure as 
well.  As he says, mail login failure is pretty much standard procedure 
with Tiscali (and many of the other big ISPs).  Too little 
infrastructure to cope with the large quantity of traffic, I suppose.

Ken

Simon Royal wrote:
> Hi
>
> I have been using Apple Mail quite happily for the past few weeks to get my 
> emails.
>
> However, I turned on my PowerBook and opened Mail and it asked for my 
> password as the server was rejecting it. I typed it in and hit ok and 
> within a few seconds it was asking again. It won't accept it at all.
>
> I haven't changed anything, so why has it suddenly stopped working. I have 
> had to revert to webmail for now.
>
> The only thing odd that happened last night was I took my PCMCIA wireless 
> card out of the TiBook (I powered it down first), and when I put it back in 
> it gave a kernal panic, which meant I had to hold the power button to 
> switch it off. It was late so I didn't turn it back on until this morning.
>
> Simon
>
> --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. 
> Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
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From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Thu Jun 11 16:01:06 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:01:06 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] how to merge two folders?
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0906110517p7c1054e9q62afe84b8a72f9f0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ac224bde0906110450x2ed3e40dhcbc53c040204c5c3@mail.gmail.com>	<07E59483-14C7-4374-B9B7-E54ADDF79FB0@durrant.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906110517p7c1054e9q62afe84b8a72f9f0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A311C32.4060006@stackyard.org>

Scott,

The warning is the vital clue.  The only way you would have a warning is 
if there was a pre-existing "images" folder inside the destination 
"images" folder.  So it sounds like the folder got dragged to the parent 
directory as Paul suggested instead of where you thought it was going.  
You might not have had the icons lined up when you dropped the source 
folder icon, or something like that.  No knowing without having been there.

The data is probably still on the disk somewhere but is probably only 
accessible with recovery software.

I'm happy you had a backup.

Ken

Scott Matthews wrote:
> yes, I did get a replace warning, but I assumed it would just replace
> any existing files and move the new ones, but it replaces the entire
> folder.
> ah well, I'll stick to the command line in future.
>
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Paul Durrant<paul at durrant.co.uk> wrote:
>   
>> It sounds like you didn't drag one folder onto the other (in which
>> case you'd have ended up with one folder inside the other), but
>> dragged one folder into the parent folder of the other folder.
>>
>> You will have been given a warning message something like "An item
>> nameed <foldername> already exists in this location. Do you want to
>> replace it with the one you are moving?", to which you must have
>> clicked the "Replace" button.
>>
>> It's the way the Finder has always worked. Well, at least since HFS
>> arrived. I don't know how it worked on MFS disks.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On 11 Jun 2009, at 12:50, Scott Matthews wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> I've just discovered something very odd.
>>>
>>> I had a folder called 'images' - this folder contained approx 10,000
>>> product images for a website.
>>> I had another folder called 'images' in a different location, this
>>> folder contained about 100 new images, I wanted to merge these two
>>> folders, so I did the obvious thing, I dragged the new 'images' folder
>>> onto the other images folder, expecting to have an images folder with
>>> approx 10,100 images. but no, I ended up with the old images folder
>>> containing just 100 files! the 10,000 images had been deleted, really
>>> deleted, as in not in the trash can. is this meant to happen? is
>>> Finder really this destructive by default?
>>>
>>> luckily I had a backup of all these images, but this behaviour seems
>>> backwards to me, I don't know of any other desktop environment that is
>>> this destructive when moving folders.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>     
>
>
>
>   


From macman at f2s.com  Thu Jun 11 16:21:16 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:21:16 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mail Stopped Recognising Password
In-Reply-To: <4A311809.9080904@stackyard.org>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0906110930360.23235@pih-webmail01.plus.net>
	<4A311809.9080904@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <B1304FE7-5636-4A36-BD22-041EA64A2D6A@f2s.com>

it's not even that simple Ken - what was Tiscali until the TalkTalk  
takeover a couple of weeks ago was a cobble of Tiscali/Pipex/f2s/ 
Nildram and anything else Pipex had gobbled up - all diverse systems  
and mostly incompatible, which have been badly in need of replacing or  
at least upgrading for some time, but they wouldn't spend the money.    
On top of this, they use a mixture of backbones from BT and what was  
NTL - much of which is elderly and badly in need of investment.

The f2s mail servers have recently been upgraded, but I suspect it was  
more of a gaffer tape and chewing gum fix rather than a replacement.

I'd like to think TalkTalk will make the necessary investment, but I'm  
not holding my breath!

I'd switch to Zen tomorrow if I didn't have 14 email addresses  
'@f2s.com', but perhaps I may just have to bite the bullet - I already  
have it all covered with googlemail.

Ho Hum

:-(

Robbie


On 11 Jun 2009, at 15:43, Ken Hamer wrote:

Which server have you set Apple Mail to
log in to?  If it's the Tiscali mail server, then you will just have to
wait and try again later.  Robbie's troubles will be the same because,
being on F2S, he will be using the Tiscali email infrastructure as
well.  As he says, mail login failure is pretty much standard procedure
with Tiscali (and many of the other big ISPs).  Too little
infrastructure to cope with the large quantity of traffic, I suppose.



From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net  Thu Jun 11 17:23:40 2009
From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:23:40 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Apple
Message-ID: <5D0A7D67-A771-4E7B-A356-C26A9A21A0BC@virgin.net>

Hello,

I had a phone call yesterday from a nice young man at Apple in  
Uxbridge. He said he understood that I had bought a new iMac and he
was giving me a courtesy call to find out how I was getting on with  
it. He reminded me that technical assistance was available if required.
Is it usual for Apple to 'bother' to do this?
I told him that so far all was OK and that I belonged to the local MUG  
so tech help was already at hand....!

Ken 
  


From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Thu Jun 11 16:24:08 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:24:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Overwriting folders? A Mistake??
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1479.1244729721.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1479.1244729721.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <69D90008-B65A-4AC2-9D14-3084983781BC@gmail.com>


On 11 Jun 2009, at 15:15, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:

> yes, I did get a replace warning, but I assumed it would just replace
> any existing files and move the new ones, but it replaces the entire
> folder.
> ah well, I'll stick to the command line in future.


The point is, one needs to actually READ the warning, not assume it  
means what you think it means. It's very easy when you are familiar  
with a system to click without stopping to think.. I do it all the time.

The scenario: you have a doc called complaints.doc in  Folder1, and  
another doc with the SAME name in Folder2.

What do you expect to happen if you drag the doc from Folder1 into  
Folder2? Would you expect the warning

"do you want  to overwrite the doc with the same name' to mean 'would  
you like to merge these 2 documents?'

Of course not!

If the second folder had been renamed to 'images2' and then dragged  
over the first one still called 'images', then 'images2' it would  
appear inside 'images'. I don't know of a keyboard command that would  
take the contents of 'images2' in these circumstances and put them  
into 'images' but someone may know. There's all sorts of commands in  
OSX that I learn about every day.. I only just found out that Alt- 
select drags an item from one place to another leaving the original in  
situ.. very useful. Maybe there's one to do what you want.




From kelvinyoungs at mac.com  Thu Jun 11 16:29:37 2009
From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:29:37 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Apple
In-Reply-To: <5D0A7D67-A771-4E7B-A356-C26A9A21A0BC@virgin.net>
References: <5D0A7D67-A771-4E7B-A356-C26A9A21A0BC@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <F98049B7-2878-499B-91D4-ED03501363E0@mac.com>

Hi Ken, yes they seemed to have stepped up with courtesy calls  
(current climate I suppose) they also called me. Not a bad thing  
though and I for one welcome them. Of course sometimes they will be  
trying to sell other stuff and so what. Service is important these  
days and you get what you pay for.

On 11 Jun 2009, at 17:23, Ken Arnoldi wrote:

> Hello,



From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com  Thu Jun 11 16:51:36 2009
From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:51:36 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] MacBook ad
Message-ID: <BD9EC36D-0F8A-423D-A19D-FE51BEFD06F7@ruthmurray.f2s.com>

Thought I'd let folk know that there is a new-ish MacBook being  
advertised for sale

http://norwich.gumtree.com/norwich/86/40164386.html


Ruth


From munkt0n at gmail.com  Thu Jun 11 16:56:31 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 16:56:31 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Overwriting folders? A Mistake??
In-Reply-To: <69D90008-B65A-4AC2-9D14-3084983781BC@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1479.1244729721.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<69D90008-B65A-4AC2-9D14-3084983781BC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0906110856y37ff3146sc8e8b08c93ecabf8@mail.gmail.com>

copying a document over the top of another is completely different, I
know that the contents of the file will be over written and not
merged, as this is expected behaviour that occurs on every other OS
known to man.

this is my point - merging 2 folders is the default action on pretty
much all OS's, and as a result it's expected behaviour. it's something
I've got used to over the years, I honestly can't think of another
desktop OS that does not merge two folders in this way.

googling 'os x finder merge folders'  leads to stories of lots of
other people that have made the same 'mistake' as I did. I guess I'll
just have to learn to Think Different!

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 4:24 PM, stefan
youngs<stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> On 11 Jun 2009, at 15:15, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:
>
>> yes, I did get a replace warning, but I assumed it would just replace
>> any existing files and move the new ones, but it replaces the entire
>> folder.
>> ah well, I'll stick to the command line in future.
>
>
> The point is, one needs to actually READ the warning, not assume it
> means what you think it means. It's very easy when you are familiar
> with a system to click without stopping to think.. I do it all the time.
>
> The scenario: you have a doc called complaints.doc in ?Folder1, and
> another doc with the SAME name in Folder2.
>
> What do you expect to happen if you drag the doc from Folder1 into
> Folder2? Would you expect the warning
>
> "do you want ?to overwrite the doc with the same name' to mean 'would
> you like to merge these 2 documents?'
>
> Of course not!
>
> If the second folder had been renamed to 'images2' and then dragged
> over the first one still called 'images', then 'images2' it would
> appear inside 'images'. I don't know of a keyboard command that would
> take the contents of 'images2' in these circumstances and put them
> into 'images' but someone may know. There's all sorts of commands in
> OSX that I learn about every day.. I only just found out that Alt-
> select drags an item from one place to another leaving the original in
> situ.. very useful. Maybe there's one to do what you want.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



-- 
:wq


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Jun 11 17:00:53 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:00:53 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mail Stopped Recognising Password
In-Reply-To: <B1304FE7-5636-4A36-BD22-041EA64A2D6A@f2s.com>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0906110930360.23235@pih-webmail01.plus.net>
	<4A311809.9080904@stackyard.org>
	<B1304FE7-5636-4A36-BD22-041EA64A2D6A@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <9D1F7D2A-38A9-4506-A2E7-28A160BE6F99@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

Magic. It is working again. Must have been their end.

Simon

On 11 Jun 2009, at 16:21, Robbie Murray wrote:

> it's not even that simple Ken - what was Tiscali until the TalkTalk
> takeover a couple of weeks ago was a cobble of Tiscali/Pipex/f2s/
> Nildram and anything else Pipex had gobbled up - all diverse systems
> and mostly incompatible, which have been badly in need of replacing or
> at least upgrading for some time, but they wouldn't spend the money.
> On top of this, they use a mixture of backbones from BT and what was
> NTL - much of which is elderly and badly in need of investment.
>
> The f2s mail servers have recently been upgraded, but I suspect it was
> more of a gaffer tape and chewing gum fix rather than a replacement.
>
> I'd like to think TalkTalk will make the necessary investment, but I'm
> not holding my breath!
>
> I'd switch to Zen tomorrow if I didn't have 14 email addresses
> '@f2s.com', but perhaps I may just have to bite the bullet - I already
> have it all covered with googlemail.
>
> Ho Hum
>
> :-(
>
> Robbie
>
>
> On 11 Jun 2009, at 15:43, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
> Which server have you set Apple Mail to
> log in to?  If it's the Tiscali mail server, then you will just have  
> to
> wait and try again later.  Robbie's troubles will be the same because,
> being on F2S, he will be using the Tiscali email infrastructure as
> well.  As he says, mail login failure is pretty much standard  
> procedure
> with Tiscali (and many of the other big ISPs).  Too little
> infrastructure to cope with the large quantity of traffic, I suppose.
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Jun 11 17:09:01 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:09:01 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Overwriting folders? A Mistake??
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0906110856y37ff3146sc8e8b08c93ecabf8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1479.1244729721.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<69D90008-B65A-4AC2-9D14-3084983781BC@gmail.com>
	<ac224bde0906110856y37ff3146sc8e8b08c93ecabf8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1D8C053A-0EDD-4CDD-B284-715FD7454E22@simonroyal.co.uk>

Scott

No. Dragging a folder onto another folder will copy the original  
folder into the new folder.

Dragging a folder called 'images' onto a folder called 'mystuff' which  
already contains a folder called 'images' will do the same thing.

Of course both times you will be asked if you want to overwrite. The  
same would happen with a file.

Both Mac and Windows has the same behaviour. I have never come across  
it merging the contents of two.

The only way to merge two folders is to open the first folder called  
'images', open the second folder called 'images' select all the files  
from the second one and drag them into the first one. It will then  
move (or copy if they are on a different drive) all the files and ask  
you if you want to replace any with the same name.

Simon

On 11 Jun 2009, at 16:56, Scott Matthews wrote:

> copying a document over the top of another is completely different, I
> know that the contents of the file will be over written and not
> merged, as this is expected behaviour that occurs on every other OS
> known to man.
>
> this is my point - merging 2 folders is the default action on pretty
> much all OS's, and as a result it's expected behaviour. it's something
> I've got used to over the years, I honestly can't think of another
> desktop OS that does not merge two folders in this way.
>
> googling 'os x finder merge folders'  leads to stories of lots of
> other people that have made the same 'mistake' as I did. I guess I'll
> just have to learn to Think Different!
>
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 4:24 PM, stefan
> youngs<stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 11 Jun 2009, at 15:15, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:
>>
>>> yes, I did get a replace warning, but I assumed it would just  
>>> replace
>>> any existing files and move the new ones, but it replaces the entire
>>> folder.
>>> ah well, I'll stick to the command line in future.
>>
>>
>> The point is, one needs to actually READ the warning, not assume it
>> means what you think it means. It's very easy when you are familiar
>> with a system to click without stopping to think.. I do it all the  
>> time.
>>
>> The scenario: you have a doc called complaints.doc in  Folder1, and
>> another doc with the SAME name in Folder2.
>>
>> What do you expect to happen if you drag the doc from Folder1 into
>> Folder2? Would you expect the warning
>>
>> "do you want  to overwrite the doc with the same name' to mean 'would
>> you like to merge these 2 documents?'
>>
>> Of course not!
>>
>> If the second folder had been renamed to 'images2' and then dragged
>> over the first one still called 'images', then 'images2' it would
>> appear inside 'images'. I don't know of a keyboard command that would
>> take the contents of 'images2' in these circumstances and put them
>> into 'images' but someone may know. There's all sorts of commands in
>> OSX that I learn about every day.. I only just found out that Alt-
>> select drags an item from one place to another leaving the original  
>> in
>> situ.. very useful. Maybe there's one to do what you want.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> :wq
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
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'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Thu Jun 11 17:08:47 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:08:47 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mail Stopped Recognising Password
In-Reply-To: <B1304FE7-5636-4A36-BD22-041EA64A2D6A@f2s.com>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0906110930360.23235@pih-webmail01.plus.net>	<4A311809.9080904@stackyard.org>
	<B1304FE7-5636-4A36-BD22-041EA64A2D6A@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <4A312C0F.2020208@stackyard.org>

Yes, Tiscali certainly had become some sort of hulking great Heath 
Robinson machine with large creaking gears and steam and smoke issuing 
from cracks.  Some of the comments from users (or is it victims?) on 
ispreview are hilariously defamatory.

I think you're wise to start using a non-ISP mail service.  I know loads 
of people who are trapped with horrible ISPs because they don't want to 
lose their email addresses.  Some ISPs don't care if you leave and don't 
bother to disable the email while some kill off immediately or demand 
money (BT) for continued use.  I always advise people against ISP email 
accounts.

A funny thing happened the other day which may give you some cause for 
optimism.  I went to commission a new laptop and install broadband for 
some people who had ordered TalkTalk.  The router failed to sync and 
further investigation revealed a fairly horrible line fault ("Yes, we've 
been noticing a funny noise on the line for a couple weeks....").  
Fearing the inevitable struggle to come, I phoned the TalkTalk support 
line.  After the usual wait and being informed that my call was just 
soooo important, an English voice answered.  I told him what the problem 
was and what my conclusions were.  He suggested some remedies which I 
had already tried.  Rather than the usual question as to what error 
message I was seeing ("There is no bloody error message - the router 
ain't syncing!"), he told me to hang up so he could test the line.  Here 
we go, I thought - invariably, these tests always come back showing 
everything is fine, even when there is absolutely no ADSL carrier at 
all.  But unbelievably, he called back 5 minutes later and said that 
there was a line fault and he had raised a ticket with BT.  I nearly 
feinted.  I actually asked why this process had been so easy when it is 
usually so agonizing and he said that TalkTalk had set up a new team to 
get through faults quicker so that customers wouldn't be waiting so 
long.  I nearly feinted again.

So there you are.  There's hope yet.

Ken

Robbie Murray wrote:
> it's not even that simple Ken - what was Tiscali until the TalkTalk  
> takeover a couple of weeks ago was a cobble of Tiscali/Pipex/f2s/ 
> Nildram and anything else Pipex had gobbled up - all diverse systems  
> and mostly incompatible, which have been badly in need of replacing or  
> at least upgrading for some time, but they wouldn't spend the money.    
> On top of this, they use a mixture of backbones from BT and what was  
> NTL - much of which is elderly and badly in need of investment.
>
> The f2s mail servers have recently been upgraded, but I suspect it was  
> more of a gaffer tape and chewing gum fix rather than a replacement.
>
> I'd like to think TalkTalk will make the necessary investment, but I'm  
> not holding my breath!
>
> I'd switch to Zen tomorrow if I didn't have 14 email addresses  
> '@f2s.com', but perhaps I may just have to bite the bullet - I already  
> have it all covered with googlemail.
>
> Ho Hum
>
> :-(
>
> Robbie
>
>
> On 11 Jun 2009, at 15:43, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
> Which server have you set Apple Mail to
> log in to?  If it's the Tiscali mail server, then you will just have to
> wait and try again later.  Robbie's troubles will be the same because,
> being on F2S, he will be using the Tiscali email infrastructure as
> well.  As he says, mail login failure is pretty much standard procedure
> with Tiscali (and many of the other big ISPs).  Too little
> infrastructure to cope with the large quantity of traffic, I suppose.
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From munkt0n at gmail.com  Thu Jun 11 17:12:20 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:12:20 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Overwriting folders? A Mistake??
In-Reply-To: <1D8C053A-0EDD-4CDD-B284-715FD7454E22@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1479.1244729721.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<69D90008-B65A-4AC2-9D14-3084983781BC@gmail.com>
	<ac224bde0906110856y37ff3146sc8e8b08c93ecabf8@mail.gmail.com>
	<1D8C053A-0EDD-4CDD-B284-715FD7454E22@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0906110912s6e7805e4j76fdc822835a6a30@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Simon Royal<mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:

> Both Mac and Windows has the same behaviour. I have never come across
> it merging the contents of two.

not so, try it on XP (or 2K, or 98, or 95, not tried Vista). it will
merge the contents of the folders.


From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Thu Jun 11 17:16:05 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:16:05 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Overwriting folders? A Mistake??
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0906110856y37ff3146sc8e8b08c93ecabf8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1479.1244729721.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>	<69D90008-B65A-4AC2-9D14-3084983781BC@gmail.com>
	<ac224bde0906110856y37ff3146sc8e8b08c93ecabf8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A312DC5.9030807@stackyard.org>

Scott,

I'm not sure what you mean by "merge".  If you move a folder into 
another folder (in any OS), it won't merge the contents of the two 
folders - it will just place one folder inside the other.  I thought 
that this is what you were trying to do, i.e. have an "images" folder 
inside the other "images" folder.  To merge contents of folders, you 
have to drag the contents from one folder to another and deal with any 
file overwriting dialogues if any appear.  Which were you attempting?

Ken



Scott Matthews wrote:
> copying a document over the top of another is completely different, I
> know that the contents of the file will be over written and not
> merged, as this is expected behaviour that occurs on every other OS
> known to man.
>
> this is my point - merging 2 folders is the default action on pretty
> much all OS's, and as a result it's expected behaviour. it's something
> I've got used to over the years, I honestly can't think of another
> desktop OS that does not merge two folders in this way.
>
> googling 'os x finder merge folders'  leads to stories of lots of
> other people that have made the same 'mistake' as I did. I guess I'll
> just have to learn to Think Different!
>
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 4:24 PM, stefan
> youngs<stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com> wrote:
>   
>> On 11 Jun 2009, at 15:15, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> yes, I did get a replace warning, but I assumed it would just replace
>>> any existing files and move the new ones, but it replaces the entire
>>> folder.
>>> ah well, I'll stick to the command line in future.
>>>       
>> The point is, one needs to actually READ the warning, not assume it
>> means what you think it means. It's very easy when you are familiar
>> with a system to click without stopping to think.. I do it all the time.
>>
>> The scenario: you have a doc called complaints.doc in  Folder1, and
>> another doc with the SAME name in Folder2.
>>
>> What do you expect to happen if you drag the doc from Folder1 into
>> Folder2? Would you expect the warning
>>
>> "do you want  to overwrite the doc with the same name' to mean 'would
>> you like to merge these 2 documents?'
>>
>> Of course not!
>>
>> If the second folder had been renamed to 'images2' and then dragged
>> over the first one still called 'images', then 'images2' it would
>> appear inside 'images'. I don't know of a keyboard command that would
>> take the contents of 'images2' in these circumstances and put them
>> into 'images' but someone may know. There's all sorts of commands in
>> OSX that I learn about every day.. I only just found out that Alt-
>> select drags an item from one place to another leaving the original in
>> situ.. very useful. Maybe there's one to do what you want.
>>
>>
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>
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From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Thu Jun 11 17:21:29 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:21:29 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Merging folders
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1482.1244736059.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1482.1244736059.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CE1B0E98-57DB-4FC2-A21E-E73ED561AC1C@gmail.com>


On 11 Jun 2009, at 17:00, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:

> googling 'os x finder merge folders'  leads to stories of lots of
> other people that have made the same 'mistake' as I did. I guess I'll
> just have to learn to Think Different!


Thanks for the heads up on this. Although now I know about it, I may  
make the same mistake! So thanks for nothing!!

Previously I've never heard of the legit action you describe... Mac  
user since 1983! Logically I do think the Apple behaviour is correct  
inasmuch as it is consistent regardless of the item being copied/ 
merged etc. It just takes account of the file name I believe.. you  
could call an image thingy.doc and copy it over a real doc called by  
the same name and you'd end up with the image overwriting the doc. I  
think that's right.

Interesting issue: should Apple have adopted the 'convention' I assume  
adopted previously by Unix on this issue when designing its GUI, or  
made the choice to be internally consistent and strictly logical? I  
think I'll vote for internal consistency. (I don't consider whatever  
Windoze does in this regard to be worthy of a sparrow's spit, so I  
won't mention them other than to say they are not worthy of a  
sparrow's spit).

Apple has always put a huge emphasis on its GUI and had an entire  
department imposing consistency across the entire R&D effort, not only  
for  itself but also for its development partners, who it managed to  
persuade to follow the party line for the greater good of the end  
user. The entire toolbox is designed to serve this requirement, of  
course, and it's the toolbox that threw up the warning dialog for you,  
and then deleted the overwritten item.

I understand your personal issue as being familiar with another  
environment but to the vast (VAST) majority of Mac users (I believe),  
the classic  Unix environment would not be held up as a GUI target to  
emulate, even if a few functions do work 'better'.


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Thu Jun 11 17:26:24 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:26:24 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] MacBook ad
In-Reply-To: <BD9EC36D-0F8A-423D-A19D-FE51BEFD06F7@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
References: <BD9EC36D-0F8A-423D-A19D-FE51BEFD06F7@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
Message-ID: <C60763B9-AB36-400A-88A6-638EA31C8445@durrant.co.uk>

It would have been a good price a week ago. Now it looks a little high  
compared to the new low-end MacBook Pro 13" (60 quid cheaper) or the  
high-end MacBook Pro 13" (which beats the spec in every way, and is  
only ?190 more)

Paul

On 11 Jun 2009, at 16:51, Ruth Murray wrote:

> http://norwich.gumtree.com/norwich/86/40164386.html



From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Thu Jun 11 17:26:00 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:26:00 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Overwriting folders? A Mistake??
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0906110912s6e7805e4j76fdc822835a6a30@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1479.1244729721.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>	<69D90008-B65A-4AC2-9D14-3084983781BC@gmail.com>	<ac224bde0906110856y37ff3146sc8e8b08c93ecabf8@mail.gmail.com>	<1D8C053A-0EDD-4CDD-B284-715FD7454E22@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906110912s6e7805e4j76fdc822835a6a30@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A313018.8030501@stackyard.org>

Uh, no.  I've never experienced a merge as you are describing it on Mac 
OS X, Windows (7, Vista, XP, 2000, 98), Linux (Redhat or Ubuntu) or 
Solaris (a flavour of UNIX).  Are you using the GUI or a command line?  
This is very interesting, indeed.

Scott Matthews wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Simon Royal<mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:
>
>   
>> Both Mac and Windows has the same behaviour. I have never come across
>> it merging the contents of two.
>>     
>
> not so, try it on XP (or 2K, or 98, or 95, not tried Vista). it will
> merge the contents of the folders.
> _______________________________________________
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> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Thu Jun 11 17:29:39 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:29:39 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Overwriting folders? A Mistake??
In-Reply-To: <4A313018.8030501@stackyard.org>
References: <mailman.1479.1244729721.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>	<69D90008-B65A-4AC2-9D14-3084983781BC@gmail.com>	<ac224bde0906110856y37ff3146sc8e8b08c93ecabf8@mail.gmail.com>	<1D8C053A-0EDD-4CDD-B284-715FD7454E22@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906110912s6e7805e4j76fdc822835a6a30@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A313018.8030501@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <F7F1395E-9E9B-4291-8EEF-17845C199EE7@durrant.co.uk>

Scott is correct - this is what happens on Windows. It's just that  
most mac people never see it, as they don't copy folders this way,  
because they 'know' that folders replace!

I only found out when an intended replacement ended up with merged  
folders on Windows.

Neither is 'correct', but wrong expectations can lead to problems.

Paul

On 11 Jun 2009, at 17:26, Ken Hamer wrote:

> Uh, no.  I've never experienced a merge as you are describing it on  
> Mac
> OS X, Windows (7, Vista, XP, 2000, 98), Linux (Redhat or Ubuntu) or
> Solaris (a flavour of UNIX).  Are you using the GUI or a command line?
> This is very interesting, indeed.
>
> Scott Matthews wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Simon Royal<mail at simonroyal.co.uk>  
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Both Mac and Windows has the same behaviour. I have never come  
>>> across
>>> it merging the contents of two.
>>>
>>
>> not so, try it on XP (or 2K, or 98, or 95, not tried Vista). it will
>> merge the contents of the folders.
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
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> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



From macman at f2s.com  Thu Jun 11 17:50:25 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:50:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mail Stopped Recognising Password
In-Reply-To: <4A312C0F.2020208@stackyard.org>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0906110930360.23235@pih-webmail01.plus.net>	<4A311809.9080904@stackyard.org>
	<B1304FE7-5636-4A36-BD22-041EA64A2D6A@f2s.com>
	<4A312C0F.2020208@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <1D3DB810-3F7E-44E3-9318-0EC71F2CD837@f2s.com>

I certainly hope so, as it's just such a pain to change.  I wouldn't  
mind, but if any  14 year old spotty tech support clown asks me one  
more time to "switch off the box with all the lights on it, wait half  
an hour and switch it on again", I'll plead insanity at my trial for  
their murder.

I had it for 3 weeks last year, and before even contacting them I had  
tested the connection with 2 known good modem/routers (one of which  
was brand new); 3 brand new Microfilters; a 2 month old iMac and a  
fairly new PC, and still they wouldn't accept the problem could  
possibly be at their end.  ( my modems were reporting a network  
connection of over 5Mbps)

Only by writing to the head of PR at Tiscali's head office threatening  
to contact Watchdog did I get any proper help.  Within hours I had a  
call from a very helpful senior engineer at f2s, and between us, over  
the next 2 days by using pathpings and traceroutes we established that  
there was a broken fibre cable in the NTL backhaul pipe in south  
London causing an intermittent fault as soon as the load exceeded a  
certain level.

When I commented that I couldn't possibly be the only customer  
suffering, he replied that they were fielding thousands of complaints,  
but passing the buck back to the customer.  No wonder they ended up in  
the state they did ....  (He also confessed readily to practicing  
traffic shaping and confirmed that despite the denials almost every  
ISP employs it)

This afternoon I had an email from Zen, with whom we have 2 other ADSL  
accounts, announcing a 21CN ADSL2 service offering  'up to 20 Mbps' at  
no extra cost to existing customers, rolling out in the next few  
months.  Since my exchange, Norwich City, is WBC enabled already, this  
could just be the kick I need to make the move.  They've been good as  
gold, but so were f2s before Pipex came along - how long can they  
remain independent if Mr Dunstone turns up on the doorstep with a  
cheque?

To be fair, the big boys only ever buy knackered companies - the good  
ones are too expensive, so maybe I may just make the call ....

http://tinyurl.com/mxpb26


Robbie

On 11 Jun 2009, at 17:08, Ken Hamer wrote:

So there you are.  There's hope yet.

Ken



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Jun 11 17:57:57 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:57:57 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mail Stopped Recognising Password
In-Reply-To: <4A312C0F.2020208@stackyard.org>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0906110930360.23235@pih-webmail01.plus.net>	<4A311809.9080904@stackyard.org>
	<B1304FE7-5636-4A36-BD22-041EA64A2D6A@f2s.com>
	<4A312C0F.2020208@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <52D5BF56-D258-4E2F-87AE-94371DA5CE4C@simonroyal.co.uk>

Ken

I never use ISP tied email addresses. It means I can swap providers  
year on and keep my email address.

Simon

On 11 Jun 2009, at 17:08, Ken Hamer wrote:

> Yes, Tiscali certainly had become some sort of hulking great Heath
> Robinson machine with large creaking gears and steam and smoke issuing
> from cracks.  Some of the comments from users (or is it victims?) on
> ispreview are hilariously defamatory.
>
> I think you're wise to start using a non-ISP mail service.  I know  
> loads
> of people who are trapped with horrible ISPs because they don't want  
> to
> lose their email addresses.  Some ISPs don't care if you leave and  
> don't
> bother to disable the email while some kill off immediately or demand
> money (BT) for continued use.  I always advise people against ISP  
> email
> accounts.
>
> A funny thing happened the other day which may give you some cause for
> optimism.  I went to commission a new laptop and install broadband for
> some people who had ordered TalkTalk.  The router failed to sync and
> further investigation revealed a fairly horrible line fault ("Yes,  
> we've
> been noticing a funny noise on the line for a couple weeks....").
> Fearing the inevitable struggle to come, I phoned the TalkTalk support
> line.  After the usual wait and being informed that my call was just
> soooo important, an English voice answered.  I told him what the  
> problem
> was and what my conclusions were.  He suggested some remedies which I
> had already tried.  Rather than the usual question as to what error
> message I was seeing ("There is no bloody error message - the router
> ain't syncing!"), he told me to hang up so he could test the line.   
> Here
> we go, I thought - invariably, these tests always come back showing
> everything is fine, even when there is absolutely no ADSL carrier at
> all.  But unbelievably, he called back 5 minutes later and said that
> there was a line fault and he had raised a ticket with BT.  I nearly
> feinted.  I actually asked why this process had been so easy when it  
> is
> usually so agonizing and he said that TalkTalk had set up a new team  
> to
> get through faults quicker so that customers wouldn't be waiting so
> long.  I nearly feinted again.
>
> So there you are.  There's hope yet.
>
> Ken
>
> Robbie Murray wrote:
>> it's not even that simple Ken - what was Tiscali until the TalkTalk
>> takeover a couple of weeks ago was a cobble of Tiscali/Pipex/f2s/
>> Nildram and anything else Pipex had gobbled up - all diverse systems
>> and mostly incompatible, which have been badly in need of replacing  
>> or
>> at least upgrading for some time, but they wouldn't spend the money.
>> On top of this, they use a mixture of backbones from BT and what was
>> NTL - much of which is elderly and badly in need of investment.
>>
>> The f2s mail servers have recently been upgraded, but I suspect it  
>> was
>> more of a gaffer tape and chewing gum fix rather than a replacement.
>>
>> I'd like to think TalkTalk will make the necessary investment, but  
>> I'm
>> not holding my breath!
>>
>> I'd switch to Zen tomorrow if I didn't have 14 email addresses
>> '@f2s.com', but perhaps I may just have to bite the bullet - I  
>> already
>> have it all covered with googlemail.
>>
>> Ho Hum
>>
>> :-(
>>
>> Robbie
>>
>>
>> On 11 Jun 2009, at 15:43, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>
>> Which server have you set Apple Mail to
>> log in to?  If it's the Tiscali mail server, then you will just  
>> have to
>> wait and try again later.  Robbie's troubles will be the same  
>> because,
>> being on F2S, he will be using the Tiscali email infrastructure as
>> well.  As he says, mail login failure is pretty much standard  
>> procedure
>> with Tiscali (and many of the other big ISPs).  Too little
>> infrastructure to cope with the large quantity of traffic, I suppose.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
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>>
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'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From fowler.j at me.com  Thu Jun 11 19:04:12 2009
From: fowler.j at me.com (Jon Fowler)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:04:12 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] MacBook ad
In-Reply-To: <C60763B9-AB36-400A-88A6-638EA31C8445@durrant.co.uk>
References: <BD9EC36D-0F8A-423D-A19D-FE51BEFD06F7@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
	<C60763B9-AB36-400A-88A6-638EA31C8445@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <48E4118B-C218-44BE-B3D9-ACF225A4A5E5@me.com>

That model is selling in store brand new for only ?30 more too!

Sent from my iPhone

On 11 Jun 2009, at 17:26, Paul Durrant <paul at durrant.co.uk> wrote:

> It would have been a good price a week ago. Now it looks a little high
> compared to the new low-end MacBook Pro 13" (60 quid cheaper) or the
> high-end MacBook Pro 13" (which beats the spec in every way, and is
> only ?190 more)
>
> Paul
>
> On 11 Jun 2009, at 16:51, Ruth Murray wrote:
>
>> http://norwich.gumtree.com/norwich/86/40164386.html
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


From tobiasarnup at onetel.com  Thu Jun 11 19:07:01 2009
From: tobiasarnup at onetel.com (Tobias Arnup)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 19:07:01 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Second Mac OSX Basics Course
In-Reply-To: <B5AA7B1A-69D8-4D05-B796-B5545348C7DF@mac.com>
References: <B5AA7B1A-69D8-4D05-B796-B5545348C7DF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <AC1CA9B0-DD2F-40F9-B2DD-D473234BA074@onetel.com>

I would like to attend please,
Tobias
On 5 Jun 2009, at 21:17, Richard Nevill wrote:

>
> Second Mac OSX Basics Course
>
> Sat 13th June from 10.00 'till 12.00 noon.
>



From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Thu Jun 11 20:43:55 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:43:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Incorrect or Correct?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1484.1244739027.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1484.1244739027.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C37766BB-1FBF-41A5-814B-D4AA5A1F744A@gmail.com>


On 11 Jun 2009, at 17:50, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:

> I only found out when an intended replacement ended up with merged
> folders on Windows.
>
> Neither is 'correct', but wrong expectations can lead to problems.
>
> Paul


It depends on the objectives you have for your OS. If consistency is  
an important objective because that leads to users experiencing fewer  
problems down the road, then the 'correct' solution is to always have  
the same behaviour whenever you drag one thing over another. In  
Apple's GUI the assumption is that copying something OVER something  
else with the same name indicates your intention to REPLACE. Apple  
protects you in as many ways as the engineers could think of, for  
example warning you which of the 2 versions is the later.

This is accepted as correct by everyone on this thread (so far as I  
can tell) if you copy a DOCUMENT over a document with the same name,  
it follows therefore that consistency requires the same behaviour if  
you copy a FOLDER over a folder with the same name.

Apple's behaviour is therefore 'correct' according to this definition.

We should not underestimate one of the key reasons Mac users love  
their Macs with a passion not seen on other platforms and  rarely if  
ever go back to other environments is that the consistent behaviour of  
the GUI and the file system makes usage so straightforward. You  
quickly become an 'expert' because the damn thing is really so  
straightforward.

You don't need to ask yourself 'is this a document or a folder or an  
audio track or a movie or a Flash animation or a disk?' you don't need  
to remember different horses for different courses.

Maybe there's a keyboard command somewhere that does what Scott wants...






From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Thu Jun 11 20:57:15 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:57:15 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Overwriting folders? A Mistake??
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0906110912s6e7805e4j76fdc822835a6a30@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1479.1244729721.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>	<69D90008-B65A-4AC2-9D14-3084983781BC@gmail.com>	<ac224bde0906110856y37ff3146sc8e8b08c93ecabf8@mail.gmail.com>	<1D8C053A-0EDD-4CDD-B284-715FD7454E22@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906110912s6e7805e4j76fdc822835a6a30@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A31619B.2010301@stackyard.org>

Jumpin' Jehosaphat!  Sufferin' Succotash!  Well, I'll be a blue-nosed 
gopher!

Scott, I just tried what you described and it did, in fact, merge the 
contents and blow away the folder which had been moved.  Say what!?  So, 
it looks like I owe you an apology for casting doubts upon your sanity 
.  I guess I have never tried to copy 2 similarly named folders into the 
same parent directory because I have learned over the years that it 
wouldn't work but, at least in Windows, it does.  Amazing and weird.  In 
my view, it's completely contrary to what one would expect but there you 
go.  Now to try it on a few other OSes.....

Ken

Scott Matthews wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Simon Royal<mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:
>
>   
>> Both Mac and Windows has the same behaviour. I have never come across
>> it merging the contents of two.
>>     
>
> not so, try it on XP (or 2K, or 98, or 95, not tried Vista). it will
> merge the contents of the folders.
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Jun 11 20:58:11 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:58:11 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Incorrect or Correct?
In-Reply-To: <C37766BB-1FBF-41A5-814B-D4AA5A1F744A@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1484.1244739027.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<C37766BB-1FBF-41A5-814B-D4AA5A1F744A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <167E016B-E6DD-4A34-B37F-A1BCEE6ECFB8@simonroyal.co.uk>

Stefan

I think the point we were all making were that none of us have seen  
this odd behavior that Scott mentioned.

Mac OSX, Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Vista and Ubuntu all work  
the same. I have never come across this merge option, it always  
replaces and asks you first.

Simon

On 11 Jun 2009, at 20:43, stefan youngs wrote:

>
> On 11 Jun 2009, at 17:50, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:
>
>> I only found out when an intended replacement ended up with merged
>> folders on Windows.
>>
>> Neither is 'correct', but wrong expectations can lead to problems.
>>
>> Paul
>
>
> It depends on the objectives you have for your OS. If consistency is
> an important objective because that leads to users experiencing fewer
> problems down the road, then the 'correct' solution is to always have
> the same behaviour whenever you drag one thing over another. In
> Apple's GUI the assumption is that copying something OVER something
> else with the same name indicates your intention to REPLACE. Apple
> protects you in as many ways as the engineers could think of, for
> example warning you which of the 2 versions is the later.
>
> This is accepted as correct by everyone on this thread (so far as I
> can tell) if you copy a DOCUMENT over a document with the same name,
> it follows therefore that consistency requires the same behaviour if
> you copy a FOLDER over a folder with the same name.
>
> Apple's behaviour is therefore 'correct' according to this definition.
>
> We should not underestimate one of the key reasons Mac users love
> their Macs with a passion not seen on other platforms and  rarely if
> ever go back to other environments is that the consistent behaviour of
> the GUI and the file system makes usage so straightforward. You
> quickly become an 'expert' because the damn thing is really so
> straightforward.
>
> You don't need to ask yourself 'is this a document or a folder or an
> audio track or a movie or a Flash animation or a disk?' you don't need
> to remember different horses for different courses.
>
> Maybe there's a keyboard command somewhere that does what Scott  
> wants...
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Jun 11 21:09:56 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:09:56 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Incorrect or Correct?
In-Reply-To: <167E016B-E6DD-4A34-B37F-A1BCEE6ECFB8@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1484.1244739027.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<C37766BB-1FBF-41A5-814B-D4AA5A1F744A@gmail.com>
	<167E016B-E6DD-4A34-B37F-A1BCEE6ECFB8@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <931EF196-82A3-4961-AA3A-E463B0A36BC9@simonroyal.co.uk>

Scott

I stand corrected. I have just tried it in Vista and it asked if you  
wanted to merge and not replace.

Wow! When did Microsoft opt for this?

Simon

On 11 Jun 2009, at 20:58, Simon Royal wrote:

> Stefan
>
> I think the point we were all making were that none of us have seen
> this odd behavior that Scott mentioned.
>
> Mac OSX, Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Vista and Ubuntu all work
> the same. I have never come across this merge option, it always
> replaces and asks you first.
>
> Simon
>
> On 11 Jun 2009, at 20:43, stefan youngs wrote:
>
>>
>> On 11 Jun 2009, at 17:50, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:
>>
>>> I only found out when an intended replacement ended up with merged
>>> folders on Windows.
>>>
>>> Neither is 'correct', but wrong expectations can lead to problems.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>
>>
>> It depends on the objectives you have for your OS. If consistency is
>> an important objective because that leads to users experiencing fewer
>> problems down the road, then the 'correct' solution is to always have
>> the same behaviour whenever you drag one thing over another. In
>> Apple's GUI the assumption is that copying something OVER something
>> else with the same name indicates your intention to REPLACE. Apple
>> protects you in as many ways as the engineers could think of, for
>> example warning you which of the 2 versions is the later.
>>
>> This is accepted as correct by everyone on this thread (so far as I
>> can tell) if you copy a DOCUMENT over a document with the same name,
>> it follows therefore that consistency requires the same behaviour if
>> you copy a FOLDER over a folder with the same name.
>>
>> Apple's behaviour is therefore 'correct' according to this  
>> definition.
>>
>> We should not underestimate one of the key reasons Mac users love
>> their Macs with a passion not seen on other platforms and  rarely if
>> ever go back to other environments is that the consistent behaviour  
>> of
>> the GUI and the file system makes usage so straightforward. You
>> quickly become an 'expert' because the damn thing is really so
>> straightforward.
>>
>> You don't need to ask yourself 'is this a document or a folder or an
>> audio track or a movie or a Flash animation or a disk?' you don't  
>> need
>> to remember different horses for different courses.
>>
>> Maybe there's a keyboard command somewhere that does what Scott
>> wants...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

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---
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SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From munkt0n at gmail.com  Thu Jun 11 21:14:50 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:14:50 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Incorrect or Correct?
In-Reply-To: <167E016B-E6DD-4A34-B37F-A1BCEE6ECFB8@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1484.1244739027.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<C37766BB-1FBF-41A5-814B-D4AA5A1F744A@gmail.com>
	<167E016B-E6DD-4A34-B37F-A1BCEE6ECFB8@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0906111314o6175f9a4obc82df9b9a766285@mail.gmail.com>

no, they don't.

here's a long laborious example for you to try.

make a folder on your desktop called 'test', I'll call this test-a
make another folder called 'test' in a completely different folder.
I'll call this  test-b
in test-a , create three files ,eg file1, file2, file3
in test 2, create one file, eg file 4
now drag test-b to the same folder that test-a lives in. 'do you want
to replace etc.' click ok

windows, gnome, kde : test-a will contain file1, file2, file3 and file4
os x : test-a will contain just file4


On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Simon Royal<mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:
> Stefan
>
> I think the point we were all making were that none of us have seen
> this odd behavior that Scott mentioned.
>
> Mac OSX, Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Vista and Ubuntu all work
> the same. I have never come across this merge option, it always
> replaces and asks you first.
>
> Simon
>
> On 11 Jun 2009, at 20:43, stefan youngs wrote:
>
>>
>> On 11 Jun 2009, at 17:50, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:
>>
>>> I only found out when an intended replacement ended up with merged
>>> folders on Windows.
>>>
>>> Neither is 'correct', but wrong expectations can lead to problems.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>
>>
>> It depends on the objectives you have for your OS. If consistency is
>> an important objective because that leads to users experiencing fewer
>> problems down the road, then the 'correct' solution is to always have
>> the same behaviour whenever you drag one thing over another. In
>> Apple's GUI the assumption is that copying something OVER something
>> else with the same name indicates your intention to REPLACE. Apple
>> protects you in as many ways as the engineers could think of, for
>> example warning you which of the 2 versions is the later.
>>
>> This is accepted as correct by everyone on this thread (so far as I
>> can tell) if you copy a DOCUMENT over a document with the same name,
>> it follows therefore that consistency requires the same behaviour if
>> you copy a FOLDER over a folder with the same name.
>>
>> Apple's behaviour is therefore 'correct' according to this definition.
>>
>> We should not underestimate one of the key reasons Mac users love
>> their Macs with a passion not seen on other platforms and ?rarely if
>> ever go back to other environments is that the consistent behaviour of
>> the GUI and the file system makes usage so straightforward. You
>> quickly become an 'expert' because the damn thing is really so
>> straightforward.
>>
>> You don't need to ask yourself 'is this a document or a folder or an
>> audio track or a movie or a Flash animation or a disk?' you don't need
>> to remember different horses for different courses.
>>
>> Maybe there's a keyboard command somewhere that does what Scott
>> wants...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



-- 
:wq


From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Thu Jun 11 21:25:13 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:25:13 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Incorrect or Correct?
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0906111314o6175f9a4obc82df9b9a766285@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1484.1244739027.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>	<C37766BB-1FBF-41A5-814B-D4AA5A1F744A@gmail.com>	<167E016B-E6DD-4A34-B37F-A1BCEE6ECFB8@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906111314o6175f9a4obc82df9b9a766285@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A316829.90801@stackyard.org>

Damn!  You're right!  Ubuntu does it as well.  What utterly bizarre 
behaviour.  It's certainly not anything I would trust to work but it's 
useful to know.  You sure have to read the warning message very carefully.

Ken

Scott Matthews wrote:
> no, they don't.
>
> here's a long laborious example for you to try.
>
> make a folder on your desktop called 'test', I'll call this test-a
> make another folder called 'test' in a completely different folder.
> I'll call this  test-b
> in test-a , create three files ,eg file1, file2, file3
> in test 2, create one file, eg file 4
> now drag test-b to the same folder that test-a lives in. 'do you want
> to replace etc.' click ok
>
> windows, gnome, kde : test-a will contain file1, file2, file3 and file4
> os x : test-a will contain just file4
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Simon Royal<mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:
>   
>> Stefan
>>
>> I think the point we were all making were that none of us have seen
>> this odd behavior that Scott mentioned.
>>
>> Mac OSX, Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Vista and Ubuntu all work
>> the same. I have never come across this merge option, it always
>> replaces and asks you first.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> On 11 Jun 2009, at 20:43, stefan youngs wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> On 11 Jun 2009, at 17:50, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> I only found out when an intended replacement ended up with merged
>>>> folders on Windows.
>>>>
>>>> Neither is 'correct', but wrong expectations can lead to problems.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>         
>>> It depends on the objectives you have for your OS. If consistency is
>>> an important objective because that leads to users experiencing fewer
>>> problems down the road, then the 'correct' solution is to always have
>>> the same behaviour whenever you drag one thing over another. In
>>> Apple's GUI the assumption is that copying something OVER something
>>> else with the same name indicates your intention to REPLACE. Apple
>>> protects you in as many ways as the engineers could think of, for
>>> example warning you which of the 2 versions is the later.
>>>
>>> This is accepted as correct by everyone on this thread (so far as I
>>> can tell) if you copy a DOCUMENT over a document with the same name,
>>> it follows therefore that consistency requires the same behaviour if
>>> you copy a FOLDER over a folder with the same name.
>>>
>>> Apple's behaviour is therefore 'correct' according to this definition.
>>>
>>> We should not underestimate one of the key reasons Mac users love
>>> their Macs with a passion not seen on other platforms and  rarely if
>>> ever go back to other environments is that the consistent behaviour of
>>> the GUI and the file system makes usage so straightforward. You
>>> quickly become an 'expert' because the damn thing is really so
>>> straightforward.
>>>
>>> You don't need to ask yourself 'is this a document or a folder or an
>>> audio track or a movie or a Flash animation or a disk?' you don't need
>>> to remember different horses for different courses.
>>>
>>> Maybe there's a keyboard command somewhere that does what Scott
>>> wants...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>>       
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>     
>
>
>
>   


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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Jun 11 21:28:56 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:28:56 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Incorrect or Correct?
In-Reply-To: <4A316829.90801@stackyard.org>
References: <mailman.1484.1244739027.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>	<C37766BB-1FBF-41A5-814B-D4AA5A1F744A@gmail.com>	<167E016B-E6DD-4A34-B37F-A1BCEE6ECFB8@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906111314o6175f9a4obc82df9b9a766285@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A316829.90801@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <03CB6D41-9C44-4FF5-B0F7-53D97D803FC6@simonroyal.co.uk>

Ken

It's odd. It never used to do it. So what gives.

Simon

On 11 Jun 2009, at 21:25, Ken Hamer wrote:

> Damn!  You're right!  Ubuntu does it as well.  What utterly bizarre
> behaviour.  It's certainly not anything I would trust to work but it's
> useful to know.  You sure have to read the warning message very  
> carefully.
>
> Ken
>
> Scott Matthews wrote:
>> no, they don't.
>>
>> here's a long laborious example for you to try.
>>
>> make a folder on your desktop called 'test', I'll call this test-a
>> make another folder called 'test' in a completely different folder.
>> I'll call this  test-b
>> in test-a , create three files ,eg file1, file2, file3
>> in test 2, create one file, eg file 4
>> now drag test-b to the same folder that test-a lives in. 'do you want
>> to replace etc.' click ok
>>
>> windows, gnome, kde : test-a will contain file1, file2, file3 and  
>> file4
>> os x : test-a will contain just file4
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Simon Royal<mail at simonroyal.co.uk>  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Stefan
>>>
>>> I think the point we were all making were that none of us have seen
>>> this odd behavior that Scott mentioned.
>>>
>>> Mac OSX, Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Vista and Ubuntu all work
>>> the same. I have never come across this merge option, it always
>>> replaces and asks you first.
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>> On 11 Jun 2009, at 20:43, stefan youngs wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 11 Jun 2009, at 17:50, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I only found out when an intended replacement ended up with merged
>>>>> folders on Windows.
>>>>>
>>>>> Neither is 'correct', but wrong expectations can lead to problems.
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>>
>>>> It depends on the objectives you have for your OS. If consistency  
>>>> is
>>>> an important objective because that leads to users experiencing  
>>>> fewer
>>>> problems down the road, then the 'correct' solution is to always  
>>>> have
>>>> the same behaviour whenever you drag one thing over another. In
>>>> Apple's GUI the assumption is that copying something OVER something
>>>> else with the same name indicates your intention to REPLACE. Apple
>>>> protects you in as many ways as the engineers could think of, for
>>>> example warning you which of the 2 versions is the later.
>>>>
>>>> This is accepted as correct by everyone on this thread (so far as I
>>>> can tell) if you copy a DOCUMENT over a document with the same  
>>>> name,
>>>> it follows therefore that consistency requires the same behaviour  
>>>> if
>>>> you copy a FOLDER over a folder with the same name.
>>>>
>>>> Apple's behaviour is therefore 'correct' according to this  
>>>> definition.
>>>>
>>>> We should not underestimate one of the key reasons Mac users love
>>>> their Macs with a passion not seen on other platforms and  rarely  
>>>> if
>>>> ever go back to other environments is that the consistent  
>>>> behaviour of
>>>> the GUI and the file system makes usage so straightforward. You
>>>> quickly become an 'expert' because the damn thing is really so
>>>> straightforward.
>>>>
>>>> You don't need to ask yourself 'is this a document or a folder or  
>>>> an
>>>> audio track or a movie or a Flash animation or a disk?' you don't  
>>>> need
>>>> to remember different horses for different courses.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe there's a keyboard command somewhere that does what Scott
>>>> wants...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Simon Royal
>>> ---
>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Thu Jun 11 22:48:44 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 22:48:44 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mail Stopped Recognising Password
In-Reply-To: <1D3DB810-3F7E-44E3-9318-0EC71F2CD837@f2s.com>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0906110930360.23235@pih-webmail01.plus.net>	<4A311809.9080904@stackyard.org>	<B1304FE7-5636-4A36-BD22-041EA64A2D6A@f2s.com>	<4A312C0F.2020208@stackyard.org>
	<1D3DB810-3F7E-44E3-9318-0EC71F2CD837@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <4A317BBC.1020203@stackyard.org>

Outrageous behaviour!  I'm quite amused by the fact that they turned 
down 500M from TalkTalk last year because they thought they should get a 
billion.  In the end they got about 250M I believe.  It couldn't happen 
to nicer people.  I wish it had been less.

But all the big ones are just as bad.  They will try anything to avoid 
paying BT to do anything.  Tiscali are (or have been anyway) very bad 
with the PPP login failure syndrome where the router syncs but can't 
establish the PPP session.  One of my customers had this for about a 
month last year.  I had found out where the fault was (elsewhere) and 
made the initial call but it took a further 4 weeks of constant calls to 
get anything done about it.  But I could tell similar stories of Virgin 
(formerly NTL), BT, Orange and TalkTalk.

> Since my exchange, Norwich City, is WBC enabled already, this  
> could just be the kick I need to make the move.
I really hate you.  I'm about 3 miles from an exchange which has been 
enabled for DSL Max and that's it.  I can only get 1.5Mbps downlink with 
a filter faceplate on the master socket.
>   They've been good as  
> gold, but so were f2s before Pipex came along - how long can they  
> remain independent if Mr Dunstone turns up on the doorstep with a  
> cheque?
>   
Yes, Zen have maintained a very good reputation over the years.
> To be fair, the big boys only ever buy knackered companies - the good  
> ones are too expensive, so maybe I may just make the call ....
>   
I think you should.  The email address issue is really the only 
problem.  Well, I say that but Tiscali also have a reputation for 
stalling with MAC numbers.  At least with that you can threaten them 
with OfCom.  The food chain issue is ever-present.  My ISP has been 
taken over and then the people who took them over have been taken over 
(rather like F2S).  Fortunately, we've never had a problem so have never 
had to call their help desk.  It may be awful.  We're waiting service 
degradation but it has not happened yet.

Ken


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From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Fri Jun 12 20:42:45 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:42:45 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Quiet people
Message-ID: <C4B85191-08E3-4F4C-8392-D1F24FAD78D6@virgin.net>

Hello!  is there anybody there?

Never has my inbox been so quiet....Spooky!

Martin

( maybe the last person on earth with a connection?)


From kelvinyoungs at mac.com  Fri Jun 12 20:46:51 2009
From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:46:51 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Quiet people
In-Reply-To: <C4B85191-08E3-4F4C-8392-D1F24FAD78D6@virgin.net>
References: <C4B85191-08E3-4F4C-8392-D1F24FAD78D6@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <EE44EA36-89B2-40DC-A674-9F4682393501@mac.com>

Learning how to build a proper website Martin

Kelvin

On 12 Jun 2009, at 20:42, Martin Fry wrote:

> Hello!  is there anybody there?



From kelvinyoungs at mac.com  Fri Jun 12 20:55:42 2009
From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:55:42 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Quiet people
In-Reply-To: <EE44EA36-89B2-40DC-A674-9F4682393501@mac.com>
References: <C4B85191-08E3-4F4C-8392-D1F24FAD78D6@virgin.net>
	<EE44EA36-89B2-40DC-A674-9F4682393501@mac.com>
Message-ID: <9402009F-A393-48BA-92A3-AE431AF96ADC@mac.com>

oops just reread my message to you Martin - your website is great I  
meant that I am redoing mine to look better!
Sorry - that will make some nmuggers laugh at my mistake!

Kelvin
http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com



On 12 Jun 2009, at 20:46, Kelvin Youngs wrote:

> Learning how to build a proper website Martin
>
> Kelvin
>
> On 12 Jun 2009, at 20:42, Martin Fry wrote:
>
>> Hello!  is there anybody there?



From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Fri Jun 12 21:39:58 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:39:58 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Quiet people
In-Reply-To: <9402009F-A393-48BA-92A3-AE431AF96ADC@mac.com>
References: <C4B85191-08E3-4F4C-8392-D1F24FAD78D6@virgin.net>
	<EE44EA36-89B2-40DC-A674-9F4682393501@mac.com>
	<9402009F-A393-48BA-92A3-AE431AF96ADC@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4C181743-E12B-40F3-9021-69CCFBD8E702@virgin.net>

Hi  Kelvin

many thanks

Although I had to have a new wedding site built & linked from my  
original site.

After all the problems I had with HCOMS our very own David Vine  
(NMUG) came to the rescue and finalized the new site and has carried  
out the alterations & repairs to my old site as requested.

I  highly recommend & thanks him for a speedy efficient service.

Regards

martin

www.martinfryphotography.com


>  your website is great I  meant that I am redoing mine to look better!
> Sorry - that will make some nmuggers laugh at my mistake!






From sc at davidviner.com  Fri Jun 12 22:16:48 2009
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 22:16:48 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Quiet people
In-Reply-To: <4C181743-E12B-40F3-9021-69CCFBD8E702@virgin.net>
References: <C4B85191-08E3-4F4C-8392-D1F24FAD78D6@virgin.net>	<EE44EA36-89B2-40DC-A674-9F4682393501@mac.com>	<9402009F-A393-48BA-92A3-AE431AF96ADC@mac.com>
	<4C181743-E12B-40F3-9021-69CCFBD8E702@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <4A32C5C0.1010606@davidviner.com>

Thanks Martin! Excuse me while I blush :-)

Cheers

David


> Hi  Kelvin
>
> many thanks
>
> Although I had to have a new wedding site built & linked from my  
> original site.
>
> After all the problems I had with HCOMS our very own David Vine  
> (NMUG) came to the rescue and finalized the new site and has carried  
> out the alterations & repairs to my old site as requested.
>
> I  highly recommend & thanks him for a speedy efficient service.
>
> Regards
>
> martin
>
> www.martinfryphotography.com
>
>
>   
>>  your website is great I  meant that I am redoing mine to look better!
>> Sorry - that will make some nmuggers laugh at my mistake!
>>     
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sun Jun 14 14:13:15 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 14:13:15 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Service Interruption
Message-ID: <EF8399F1-5519-49AD-85FA-87C81B68A844@durrant.co.uk>

Demon Internet had problems this morning (14th June). NMUG email was  
out for about 12 hours. It should now be catching up with any messages  
sent during that time.

Paul


From ricnev at mac.com  Sun Jun 14 14:25:17 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 14:25:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Service Interruption
In-Reply-To: <EF8399F1-5519-49AD-85FA-87C81B68A844@durrant.co.uk>
References: <EF8399F1-5519-49AD-85FA-87C81B68A844@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <60E02695-68C6-4CE2-84B6-7772382F18E0@mac.com>

I was too busy this morning out enjoying the sun to notice ;-)

I'm only here now because I wanted to cheer David Brabham over the  
line at LeMans, and my wife wants to do similar later with Andy  
Murray :-)

Richard.
On 14 Jun 2009, at 14:13, Paul Durrant wrote:

> Demon Internet had problems this morning (14th June). NMUG email was
> out for about 12 hours. It should now be catching up with any messages
> sent during that time.
>
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com





From ricnev at mac.com  Sun Jun 14 14:58:08 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 14:58:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] MacUpdate Spring Bundle offer extended - Was:Re: MacUpdate
 Latest Bundle
In-Reply-To: <4B0F3642-7993-43D6-84B4-F89F8CAAA1EB@durrant.co.uk>
References: <4B0F3642-7993-43D6-84B4-F89F8CAAA1EB@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <A1970D76-3772-4C81-8534-5AB0CCC5395B@mac.com>

At the second MacOSX Basics meeting yesterday (Saturday) we discussed  
the superb value this bundle represented.

Some people expressed regret that hey had missed the opportunity to  
purchase.

Apparently MacUpdate have been listening, because they have extended  
the offer deadline by a couple of days - there are still 14 hours left  
to buy.

http://www.mupromo.com/springbundle.php

Or is it just good marketing?


Richard.


On 28 May 2009, at 22:00, Paul Durrant wrote:

> MacUpdate are doing a new bundle of apps for $49.99
>
> This time the bundle includes TechTool Pro 5 and Parallels Desktop 4
> as well as several DVD-ripping/manipulation applications.
>
> http://www.mupromo.com/deal/852/5801/bundle
>
> regards,
>
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com





From ricnev at mac.com  Sun Jun 14 15:29:52 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 15:29:52 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac keyboard explanations
Message-ID: <E9972438-D502-464C-8808-36FBC44EE010@mac.com>

One subject which keeps being mentioned on the Mac OSX basics course  
is that people are a bit uncertain of the different aspects of the  
Apple keyboard compared to 'other' keyboards.

Apple's own page of information is here:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343

But this might not explain enough for some people.

So, after a bit of ferreting around, I found these pages which might  
help:

http://www.internet4classrooms.com/mackeyboard.htm

http://www.sharpened.net/resources/mac_shortcuts.php

http://www.danrodney.com/mac/index.html

Hope these help, but if anyone needs further help, please shout.


Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com





From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com  Sun Jun 14 15:38:18 2009
From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 15:38:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] MacUpdate Spring Bundle offer extended - Was:Re:
	MacUpdate Latest Bundle
In-Reply-To: <A1970D76-3772-4C81-8534-5AB0CCC5395B@mac.com>
References: <4B0F3642-7993-43D6-84B4-F89F8CAAA1EB@durrant.co.uk>
	<A1970D76-3772-4C81-8534-5AB0CCC5395B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <3041F952-A5EF-4777-8463-434E45E1F91D@ruthmurray.f2s.com>

HI Paul

If I purchase the bundle - am I able to give any of the Applications  
to others rather than have them for myself?

Ruth


On 14 Jun 2009, at 14:58, Richard Nevill wrote:

> At the second MacOSX Basics meeting yesterday (Saturday) we discussed
> the superb value this bundle represented.
>
> Some people expressed regret that hey had missed the opportunity to
> purchase.
>
> Apparently MacUpdate have been listening, because they have extended
> the offer deadline by a couple of days - there are still 14 hours left
> to buy.
>
> http://www.mupromo.com/springbundle.php
>
> Or is it just good marketing?
>
>
> Richard.
>
>
> On 28 May 2009, at 22:00, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
>> MacUpdate are doing a new bundle of apps for $49.99
>>
>> This time the bundle includes TechTool Pro 5 and Parallels Desktop 4
>> as well as several DVD-ripping/manipulation applications.
>>
>> http://www.mupromo.com/deal/852/5801/bundle
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> Paul
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> Richard Nevill
> ricnev at mac.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Ruth Murray
ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com

Ruth Murray
Graphic Design and Illustration
01603 632334

Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net






From rob at atvetsystems.com  Sun Jun 14 20:35:10 2009
From: rob at atvetsystems.com (Robert Tillyard)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:35:10 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Service Interruption
In-Reply-To: <EF8399F1-5519-49AD-85FA-87C81B68A844@durrant.co.uk>
References: <EF8399F1-5519-49AD-85FA-87C81B68A844@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8E7319FD-8583-460D-83C5-2F8D43EC19F2@atvetsystems.com>

I didn't notice because I'm with Demon and had Internet problems as  
well...

Regards, Rob.

On 14 Jun 2009, at 14:13, Paul Durrant wrote:

> Demon Internet had problems this morning (14th June). NMUG email was
> out for about 12 hours. It should now be catching up with any messages
> sent during that time.
>
> Paul



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Jun 14 22:49:48 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:49:48 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Service Interruption
In-Reply-To: <60E02695-68C6-4CE2-84B6-7772382F18E0@mac.com>
References: <EF8399F1-5519-49AD-85FA-87C81B68A844@durrant.co.uk>
	<60E02695-68C6-4CE2-84B6-7772382F18E0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <D3CC407C-3178-44A7-A6B3-E0BB7559276E@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I was too busy to notice too. Ha ha ha.

Simon

On 14 Jun 2009, at 14:25, Richard Nevill wrote:

> I was too busy this morning out enjoying the sun to notice ;-)
>
> I'm only here now because I wanted to cheer David Brabham over the
> line at LeMans, and my wife wants to do similar later with Andy
> Murray :-)
>
> Richard.
> On 14 Jun 2009, at 14:13, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
>> Demon Internet had problems this morning (14th June). NMUG email was
>> out for about 12 hours. It should now be catching up with any  
>> messages
>> sent during that time.
>>
>> Paul
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> Richard Nevill
> ricnev at mac.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com  Sun Jun 14 23:16:21 2009
From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (Simon Bainbridge)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 23:16:21 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Apple Quick Tips
Message-ID: <DBA41EE0-BEF4-41F9-BE44-6475CC6AB5E8@googlemail.com>

Hi All

Here is a link to subscribe to get great tips on how to use OSX Leopard.

http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=257243321

Hope this is helpful?

Cheers

Simon Bainbridge

From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Jun 15 10:53:53 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:53:53 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Printer Drivers/Software Update
Message-ID: <256FED86-37C1-4EC7-8C08-7B4309EBC687@durrant.co.uk>

I came across something new in software update. At least, I hadn't  
seen it before.

I re-installed my system software after a hard drive died a month or  
two ago. I hadn't got around to re-installing the printer driver for  
my Epson R200, since I really don't use it very often.

Yesterday I wanted to use it. The Epson site was pretty useless - only  
offering updates to the drivers, not compete drivers. I did find my  
original CD-ROM, but for some reason, I thought to try Software Update.

My R200 was switch on and connected. Software Update offered a driver  
update for Epson printers. It had noticed that I had an Epson printer  
attached, and it downloaded and installed the correct drivers.

Very pleased.

Paul


From munkt0n at gmail.com  Mon Jun 15 11:03:07 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:03:07 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Printer Drivers/Software Update
In-Reply-To: <256FED86-37C1-4EC7-8C08-7B4309EBC687@durrant.co.uk>
References: <256FED86-37C1-4EC7-8C08-7B4309EBC687@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0906150303i1435165fy891afb103595decc@mail.gmail.com>

You'd think that the 1.5 Gigabytes of EPSON drivers supplied with OS X
would be enough!

On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Paul Durrant<paul at durrant.co.uk> wrote:
> I came across something new in software update. At least, I hadn't
> seen it before.
>
> I re-installed my system software after a hard drive died a month or
> two ago. I hadn't got around to re-installing the printer driver for
> my Epson R200, since I really don't use it very often.
>
> Yesterday I wanted to use it. The Epson site was pretty useless - only
> offering updates to the drivers, not compete drivers. I did find my
> original CD-ROM, but for some reason, I thought to try Software Update.
>
> My R200 was switch on and connected. Software Update offered a driver
> update for Epson printers. It had noticed that I had an Epson printer
> attached, and it downloaded and installed the correct drivers.
>
> Very pleased.
>
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



-- 
:wq


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Jun 15 11:15:41 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:15:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Printer Drivers/Software Update
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0906150303i1435165fy891afb103595decc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <256FED86-37C1-4EC7-8C08-7B4309EBC687@durrant.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906150303i1435165fy891afb103595decc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A5B52F70-1858-40CE-8630-2C6A9E085898@simonroyal.co.uk>

Scott

But you have to remember OSX was released over 18 months ago so  
drivers do need updating or bug fixes to them.

Simon

On 15 Jun 2009, at 11:03, Scott Matthews wrote:

> You'd think that the 1.5 Gigabytes of EPSON drivers supplied with OS X
> would be enough!
>
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Paul Durrant<paul at durrant.co.uk>  
> wrote:
>> I came across something new in software update. At least, I hadn't
>> seen it before.
>>
>> I re-installed my system software after a hard drive died a month or
>> two ago. I hadn't got around to re-installing the printer driver for
>> my Epson R200, since I really don't use it very often.
>>
>> Yesterday I wanted to use it. The Epson site was pretty useless -  
>> only
>> offering updates to the drivers, not compete drivers. I did find my
>> original CD-ROM, but for some reason, I thought to try Software  
>> Update.
>>
>> My R200 was switch on and connected. Software Update offered a driver
>> update for Epson printers. It had noticed that I had an Epson printer
>> attached, and it downloaded and installed the correct drivers.
>>
>> Very pleased.
>>
>> Paul
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> :wq
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Mon Jun 15 11:42:39 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:42:39 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Printer Drivers/Software Update
In-Reply-To: <A5B52F70-1858-40CE-8630-2C6A9E085898@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C65BE42F.2B726%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

Hi Simon
I think the point was that that a huge amount of stuff is dumped on our HD
regardless of any need to use it.
Seeing as the Mac OS can detect and locate drivers it would be better to
keep that lot in the 'cloud' rather than on our HD - allowing of course for
pre downloading of desired drivers or indeed the whole lot for those that
want it.

But I'd also noticed software update take care of this and such things do
feel good.
all the best
Brian


Simon Royal said recently:

> Scott
> 
> But you have to remember OSX was released over 18 months ago so
> drivers do need updating or bug fixes to them.
> 
> Simon
> 
> On 15 Jun 2009, at 11:03, Scott Matthews wrote:
> 
>> You'd think that the 1.5 Gigabytes of EPSON drivers supplied with OS X
>> would be enough!
>> 
>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Paul Durrant<paul at durrant.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>> I came across something new in software update. At least, I hadn't
>>> seen it before.
>>> 
>>> I re-installed my system software after a hard drive died a month or
>>> two ago. I hadn't got around to re-installing the printer driver for
>>> my Epson R200, since I really don't use it very often.
>>> 
>>> Yesterday I wanted to use it. The Epson site was pretty useless -
>>> only
>>> offering updates to the drivers, not compete drivers. I did find my
>>> original CD-ROM, but for some reason, I thought to try Software
>>> Update.
>>> 
>>> My R200 was switch on and connected. Software Update offered a driver
>>> update for Epson printers. It had noticed that I had an Epson printer
>>> attached, and it downloaded and installed the correct drivers.
>>> 
>>> Very pleased.
>>> 
>>> Paul
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> :wq
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>> 
> 
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Jun 15 11:42:48 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:42:48 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Printer Drivers/Software Update
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0906150303i1435165fy891afb103595decc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <256FED86-37C1-4EC7-8C08-7B4309EBC687@durrant.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906150303i1435165fy891afb103595decc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <031C99CF-206A-42AE-B0B2-B6E369EF5525@durrant.co.uk>

But I didn't install all those drivers. Why waste 1.5GB of disk space  
on drivers fro printers you don't have? (Well, OK, it might be useful  
if you go to lots of new places where you might want to print.)

The package from Software update was a lot smaller than 1.5GB.

Paul

On 15 Jun 2009, at 11:03, Scott Matthews wrote:

> You'd think that the 1.5 Gigabytes of EPSON drivers supplied with OS X
> would be enough!
>
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Paul Durrant<paul at durrant.co.uk>  
> wrote:
>> I came across something new in software update. At least, I hadn't
>> seen it before.
>>
>> I re-installed my system software after a hard drive died a month or
>> two ago. I hadn't got around to re-installing the printer driver for
>> my Epson R200, since I really don't use it very often.
>>
>> Yesterday I wanted to use it. The Epson site was pretty useless -  
>> only
>> offering updates to the drivers, not compete drivers. I did find my
>> original CD-ROM, but for some reason, I thought to try Software  
>> Update.
>>
>> My R200 was switch on and connected. Software Update offered a driver
>> update for Epson printers. It had noticed that I had an Epson printer
>> attached, and it downloaded and installed the correct drivers.
>>
>> Very pleased.



From munkt0n at gmail.com  Mon Jun 15 11:53:20 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:53:20 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Printer Drivers/Software Update
In-Reply-To: <031C99CF-206A-42AE-B0B2-B6E369EF5525@durrant.co.uk>
References: <256FED86-37C1-4EC7-8C08-7B4309EBC687@durrant.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906150303i1435165fy891afb103595decc@mail.gmail.com>
	<031C99CF-206A-42AE-B0B2-B6E369EF5525@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0906150353j72f688a5qe8b7a185960e33bf@mail.gmail.com>

I didn't install them either, you have no choice when you install
Leopard! they are just there, wasting disk space.

On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Paul Durrant<paul at durrant.co.uk> wrote:
> But I didn't install all those drivers. Why waste 1.5GB of disk space
> on drivers fro printers you don't have? (Well, OK, it might be useful
> if you go to lots of new places where you might want to print.)
>
> The package from Software update was a lot smaller than 1.5GB.
>
> Paul
>


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Jun 15 12:01:33 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:01:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Printer Drivers/Software Update
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0906150353j72f688a5qe8b7a185960e33bf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <256FED86-37C1-4EC7-8C08-7B4309EBC687@durrant.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906150303i1435165fy891afb103595decc@mail.gmail.com>
	<031C99CF-206A-42AE-B0B2-B6E369EF5525@durrant.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906150353j72f688a5qe8b7a185960e33bf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <19839C76-598B-4FBA-9800-5D025E10C0B1@durrant.co.uk>

There a button in the Leopard installer windows - it's the Customise  
button I think - that will let you turn off installation of the Epson  
and/or HP printer drivers.

Paul

On 15 Jun 2009, at 11:53, Scott Matthews wrote:

> I didn't install them either, you have no choice when you install
> Leopard! they are just there, wasting disk space.
>
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Paul Durrant<paul at durrant.co.uk>  
> wrote:
>> But I didn't install all those drivers. Why waste 1.5GB of disk space
>> on drivers fro printers you don't have? (Well, OK, it might be useful
>> if you go to lots of new places where you might want to print.)
>>
>> The package from Software update was a lot smaller than 1.5GB.



From macman at f2s.com  Mon Jun 15 12:05:43 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:05:43 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Printer Drivers/Software Update
In-Reply-To: <19839C76-598B-4FBA-9800-5D025E10C0B1@durrant.co.uk>
References: <256FED86-37C1-4EC7-8C08-7B4309EBC687@durrant.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906150303i1435165fy891afb103595decc@mail.gmail.com>
	<031C99CF-206A-42AE-B0B2-B6E369EF5525@durrant.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906150353j72f688a5qe8b7a185960e33bf@mail.gmail.com>
	<19839C76-598B-4FBA-9800-5D025E10C0B1@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5C4A5C68-3E36-457D-9767-CBB9DBB90791@f2s.com>

If you customise any OSX install, it will complete in less than half  
the time and be much, much smaller - the languages are the biggest  
culprit .....

Robbie



On 15 Jun 2009, at 12:01, Paul Durrant wrote:

There a button in the Leopard installer windows - it's the Customise
button I think - that will let you turn off installation of the Epson
and/or HP printer drivers.

Paul

On 15 Jun 2009, at 11:53, Scott Matthews wrote:

> I didn't install them either, you have no choice when you install
> Leopard! they are just there, wasting disk space.
>
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Paul Durrant<paul at durrant.co.uk>
> wrote:
>> But I didn't install all those drivers. Why waste 1.5GB of disk space
>> on drivers fro printers you don't have? (Well, OK, it might be useful
>> if you go to lots of new places where you might want to print.)
>>
>> The package from Software update was a lot smaller than 1.5GB.

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From munkt0n at gmail.com  Mon Jun 15 12:31:08 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:31:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Printer Drivers/Software Update
In-Reply-To: <19839C76-598B-4FBA-9800-5D025E10C0B1@durrant.co.uk>
References: <256FED86-37C1-4EC7-8C08-7B4309EBC687@durrant.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906150303i1435165fy891afb103595decc@mail.gmail.com>
	<031C99CF-206A-42AE-B0B2-B6E369EF5525@durrant.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906150353j72f688a5qe8b7a185960e33bf@mail.gmail.com>
	<19839C76-598B-4FBA-9800-5D025E10C0B1@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0906150431j9c440fdlc355765c80474c08@mail.gmail.com>

ah ha! is there a way of removing these after the install? my mac mini
at work came with Leopard pre-installed, and there are a lot of
unnecessary printer drivers already installed.

On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Paul Durrant<paul at durrant.co.uk> wrote:
> There a button in the Leopard installer windows - it's the Customise
> button I think - that will let you turn off installation of the Epson
> and/or HP printer drivers.
>
> Paul
>


From macman at f2s.com  Mon Jun 15 12:51:24 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:51:24 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Printer Drivers/Software Update
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0906150431j9c440fdlc355765c80474c08@mail.gmail.com>
References: <256FED86-37C1-4EC7-8C08-7B4309EBC687@durrant.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906150303i1435165fy891afb103595decc@mail.gmail.com>
	<031C99CF-206A-42AE-B0B2-B6E369EF5525@durrant.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906150353j72f688a5qe8b7a185960e33bf@mail.gmail.com>
	<19839C76-598B-4FBA-9800-5D025E10C0B1@durrant.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906150431j9c440fdlc355765c80474c08@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <017E1092-DC09-41DC-A0D1-E550F26C72A1@f2s.com>

Probably, if you want to mess about with Terminal, but you need to  
identify exactly those you want to remove.  Personally, I'd leave   
well alone, as it could end in tears.

You can, of course, re-install and use the customise options ....

Robbie



On 15 Jun 2009, at 12:31, Scott Matthews wrote:

ah ha! is there a way of removing these after the install? my mac mini
at work came with Leopard pre-installed, and there are a lot of
unnecessary printer drivers already installed.

On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Paul Durrant<paul at durrant.co.uk>  
wrote:
> There a button in the Leopard installer windows - it's the Customise
> button I think - that will let you turn off installation of the Epson
> and/or HP printer drivers.
>
> Paul
>
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From dan_tombs at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 15 13:03:44 2009
From: dan_tombs at hotmail.com (Dan Tombs)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:03:44 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Printer Drivers/Software Update
In-Reply-To: <256FED86-37C1-4EC7-8C08-7B4309EBC687@durrant.co.uk>
References: <256FED86-37C1-4EC7-8C08-7B4309EBC687@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <COL115-W4347A33BE78FED5C44CEDA9C3E0@phx.gbl>


Hi Folks,
Perhaps this is how Apple are claiming that Snow Leopard will be 6GB smaller !
Maybe not installing all the drivers and languages for all users will help them slim down the footprint of the OS.
Also you can manually trash the printer drivers if you want to free the space up, they are located in Macintosh HD > Library > Printers
I've attached a screen grab of the Mac Mini that i use at work, this was configured by the IT department, so i may clear them out when things get tight. but the screen grab shows where they are the size of the printer folder is nearly 4GB!
Hope this helps some people out
Best
Dan 

> From: paul at durrant.co.uk
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:53:53 +0100
> Subject: [NMUG] Printer Drivers/Software Update
> 
> I came across something new in software update. At least, I hadn't  
> seen it before.
> 
> I re-installed my system software after a hard drive died a month or  
> two ago. I hadn't got around to re-installing the printer driver for  
> my Epson R200, since I really don't use it very often.
> 
> Yesterday I wanted to use it. The Epson site was pretty useless - only  
> offering updates to the drivers, not compete drivers. I did find my  
> original CD-ROM, but for some reason, I thought to try Software Update.
> 
> My R200 was switch on and connected. Software Update offered a driver  
> update for Epson printers. It had noticed that I had an Epson printer  
> attached, and it downloaded and installed the correct drivers.
> 
> Very pleased.
> 
> Paul
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From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com  Mon Jun 15 13:50:47 2009
From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:50:47 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Printer Drivers/Software Update
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0906150431j9c440fdlc355765c80474c08@mail.gmail.com>
References: <256FED86-37C1-4EC7-8C08-7B4309EBC687@durrant.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906150303i1435165fy891afb103595decc@mail.gmail.com>
	<031C99CF-206A-42AE-B0B2-B6E369EF5525@durrant.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906150353j72f688a5qe8b7a185960e33bf@mail.gmail.com>
	<19839C76-598B-4FBA-9800-5D025E10C0B1@durrant.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906150431j9c440fdlc355765c80474c08@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C2BBB5B2-7052-44FA-A487-73960B75AC0B@ruthmurray.f2s.com>

Monolingual will un-install all the languages you don't need. I have  
an 80GB macbook. I ran this program to to free up some space and  
saved 3.5GB of space!

Ruth


On 15 Jun 2009, at 12:31, Scott Matthews wrote:

> ah ha! is there a way of removing these after the install? my mac mini
> at work came with Leopard pre-installed, and there are a lot of
> unnecessary printer drivers already installed.
>
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Paul Durrant<paul at durrant.co.uk>  
> wrote:
>> There a button in the Leopard installer windows - it's the Customise
>> button I think - that will let you turn off installation of the Epson
>> and/or HP printer drivers.
>>
>> Paul
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Ruth Murray
ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com

Ruth Murray
Graphic Design and Illustration
01603 632334

Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net






From munkt0n at gmail.com  Mon Jun 15 13:56:48 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:56:48 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Printer Drivers/Software Update
In-Reply-To: <COL115-W4347A33BE78FED5C44CEDA9C3E0@phx.gbl>
References: <256FED86-37C1-4EC7-8C08-7B4309EBC687@durrant.co.uk>
	<COL115-W4347A33BE78FED5C44CEDA9C3E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0906150556j457476d7n7728ce4a957e8d19@mail.gmail.com>

most of the binaries will be a lot smaller too, as Snow Leopard is
intel only I expect they'll strip all the powerPC code from
everything.

On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Dan Tombs<dan_tombs at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
> Perhaps this is how Apple are claiming that Snow Leopard will be 6GB smaller !
> Maybe not installing all the drivers and languages for all users will help them slim down the footprint of the OS.
> Also you can manually trash the printer drivers if you want to free the space up, they are located in Macintosh HD > Library > Printers
> I've attached a screen grab of the Mac Mini that i use at work, this was configured by the IT department, so i may clear them out when things get tight. but the screen grab shows where they are the size of the printer folder is nearly 4GB!
> Hope this helps some people out
> Best
> Dan
>


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Jun 15 14:04:37 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:04:37 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Printer Drivers/Software Update
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0906150556j457476d7n7728ce4a957e8d19@mail.gmail.com>
References: <256FED86-37C1-4EC7-8C08-7B4309EBC687@durrant.co.uk>
	<COL115-W4347A33BE78FED5C44CEDA9C3E0@phx.gbl>
	<ac224bde0906150556j457476d7n7728ce4a957e8d19@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D7FBF261-EAA4-43B0-97D9-B985FCDA52A6@simonroyal.co.uk>

Scott

Intel only, yet it will still have Rosetta for non-universal binary  
apps.

Simon

On 15 Jun 2009, at 13:56, Scott Matthews wrote:

> most of the binaries will be a lot smaller too, as Snow Leopard is
> intel only I expect they'll strip all the powerPC code from
> everything.
>
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Dan Tombs<dan_tombs at hotmail.com>  
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>> Perhaps this is how Apple are claiming that Snow Leopard will be  
>> 6GB smaller !
>> Maybe not installing all the drivers and languages for all users  
>> will help them slim down the footprint of the OS.
>> Also you can manually trash the printer drivers if you want to free  
>> the space up, they are located in Macintosh HD > Library > Printers
>> I've attached a screen grab of the Mac Mini that i use at work,  
>> this was configured by the IT department, so i may clear them out  
>> when things get tight. but the screen grab shows where they are the  
>> size of the printer folder is nearly 4GB!
>> Hope this helps some people out
>> Best
>> Dan
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From macman at f2s.com  Mon Jun 15 17:29:11 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:29:11 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Printer Drivers/Software Update
In-Reply-To: <C2BBB5B2-7052-44FA-A487-73960B75AC0B@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
References: <256FED86-37C1-4EC7-8C08-7B4309EBC687@durrant.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906150303i1435165fy891afb103595decc@mail.gmail.com>
	<031C99CF-206A-42AE-B0B2-B6E369EF5525@durrant.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906150353j72f688a5qe8b7a185960e33bf@mail.gmail.com>
	<19839C76-598B-4FBA-9800-5D025E10C0B1@durrant.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906150431j9c440fdlc355765c80474c08@mail.gmail.com>
	<C2BBB5B2-7052-44FA-A487-73960B75AC0B@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
Message-ID: <DD6F9773-EF63-4DFA-8007-123E62A9A365@f2s.com>

Thanks Ruth - excellent!  And free!

3.1Gb freed up just with languages.

Printers next ......

Robbie



On 15 Jun 2009, at 13:50, Ruth Murray wrote:

Monolingual will un-install all the languages you don't need. I have
an 80GB macbook. I ran this program to to free up some space and
saved 3.5GB of space!

Ruth


On 15 Jun 2009, at 12:31, Scott Matthews wrote:

> ah ha! is there a way of removing these after the install? my mac mini
> at work came with Leopard pre-installed, and there are a lot of
> unnecessary printer drivers already installed.
>
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Paul Durrant<paul at durrant.co.uk>
> wrote:
>> There a button in the Leopard installer windows - it's the Customise
>> button I think - that will let you turn off installation of the Epson
>> and/or HP printer drivers.
>>
>> Paul
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Ruth Murray
ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com

Ruth Murray
Graphic Design and Illustration
01603 632334

Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net




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From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com  Mon Jun 15 17:35:47 2009
From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:35:47 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Printer Drivers/Software Update
In-Reply-To: <DD6F9773-EF63-4DFA-8007-123E62A9A365@f2s.com>
References: <256FED86-37C1-4EC7-8C08-7B4309EBC687@durrant.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906150303i1435165fy891afb103595decc@mail.gmail.com>
	<031C99CF-206A-42AE-B0B2-B6E369EF5525@durrant.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906150353j72f688a5qe8b7a185960e33bf@mail.gmail.com>
	<19839C76-598B-4FBA-9800-5D025E10C0B1@durrant.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906150431j9c440fdlc355765c80474c08@mail.gmail.com>
	<C2BBB5B2-7052-44FA-A487-73960B75AC0B@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
	<DD6F9773-EF63-4DFA-8007-123E62A9A365@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <E830F370-ADA2-4704-A6CC-FD85B1805555@ruthmurray.f2s.com>

Thanks Robbie

I can't often give any nuggets of advice so it's nice to oblige for a  
change!

Ruthie


On 15 Jun 2009, at 17:29, Robbie Murray wrote:

> Thanks Ruth - excellent!  And free!
>
> 3.1Gb freed up just with languages.
>
> Printers next ......
>
> Robbie
>
>
>
> On 15 Jun 2009, at 13:50, Ruth Murray wrote:
>
> Monolingual will un-install all the languages you don't need. I have
> an 80GB macbook. I ran this program to to free up some space and
> saved 3.5GB of space!
>
> Ruth
>
>
> On 15 Jun 2009, at 12:31, Scott Matthews wrote:
>
>> ah ha! is there a way of removing these after the install? my mac  
>> mini
>> at work came with Leopard pre-installed, and there are a lot of
>> unnecessary printer drivers already installed.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Paul Durrant<paul at durrant.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>> There a button in the Leopard installer windows - it's the Customise
>>> button I think - that will let you turn off installation of the  
>>> Epson
>>> and/or HP printer drivers.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> Ruth Murray
> ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com
>
> Ruth Murray
> Graphic Design and Illustration
> 01603 632334
>
> Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Ruth Murray
ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com

Ruth Murray
Graphic Design and Illustration
01603 632334

Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net






From kelvinyoungs at mac.com  Mon Jun 15 23:41:32 2009
From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 23:41:32 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Printer Drivers/Software Update
In-Reply-To: <C2BBB5B2-7052-44FA-A487-73960B75AC0B@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
References: <256FED86-37C1-4EC7-8C08-7B4309EBC687@durrant.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906150303i1435165fy891afb103595decc@mail.gmail.com>
	<031C99CF-206A-42AE-B0B2-B6E369EF5525@durrant.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906150353j72f688a5qe8b7a185960e33bf@mail.gmail.com>
	<19839C76-598B-4FBA-9800-5D025E10C0B1@durrant.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906150431j9c440fdlc355765c80474c08@mail.gmail.com>
	<C2BBB5B2-7052-44FA-A487-73960B75AC0B@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
Message-ID: <555B1F79-3019-4D09-A9A7-EB2E47B012F8@mac.com>

Yes, ? a great tip Ruth and thank you so much for that.
This is the link to remove the languages:
http://monolingual.sourceforge.net/
On 15 Jun 2009, at 13:50, Ruth Murray wrote:

> Monolingual will un-install all the languages you don't need. I have
> an 80GB macbook. I ran this program to to free up some space and
> saved 3.5GB of space!
>
> Ruth



From p.hunter at ntlworld.com  Tue Jun 16 09:12:52 2009
From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:12:52 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac's for sale.
Message-ID: <0CCB6D1A10034797AFD297819839DF0B@PeterPC>

Hi All, both Mac's have now been sold and collected.
Sorry to disappoint  others who were interested, and thank you all for responding.

Regards.

Peter


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue Jun 16 10:15:11 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:15:11 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Java Bugs - Update available
Message-ID: <9CBD1339-46BB-4E5B-8EED-594B777A9F51@durrant.co.uk>

Apple have released an update to Java for Mac OS X 10.4 and 10.5 that  
fixes the previously reported security bugs.

You can install it using Software Update. Once installed, it's safe to  
turn Java back on in your Browser preferences.

Paul



From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Tue Jun 16 10:49:16 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 10:49:16 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Java Bugs - Update available
In-Reply-To: <9CBD1339-46BB-4E5B-8EED-594B777A9F51@durrant.co.uk>
References: <9CBD1339-46BB-4E5B-8EED-594B777A9F51@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <86C4ABCC-7CF9-4E64-A193-E68DD692E09A@virgin.net>


On Jun 16, 2009, at 10:15, Paul Durrant wrote:

> Apple have released an update to Java for Mac OS X 10.4 and 10.5 that
> fixes the previously reported security bugs.

Thank you for answering the question I was just about to ask. I  
installed it last night but was not sure if it had totally fixed it.

Paul C





From macman at f2s.com  Tue Jun 16 11:04:54 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:04:54 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Java Bugs - Update available
In-Reply-To: <9CBD1339-46BB-4E5B-8EED-594B777A9F51@durrant.co.uk>
References: <9CBD1339-46BB-4E5B-8EED-594B777A9F51@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6E728ED5-A501-4075-9B37-9ED8539CBCB6@f2s.com>

Thanks Paul - took their time!


Robbie


On 16 Jun 2009, at 10:15, Paul Durrant wrote:

Apple have released an update to Java for Mac OS X 10.4 and 10.5 that
fixes the previously reported security bugs.

You can install it using Software Update. Once installed, it's safe to
turn Java back on in your Browser preferences.

Paul

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From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Tue Jun 16 12:31:35 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:31:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Merlot for me
Message-ID: <5CF9CDF2-4FDD-41ED-A84B-4978C02532EB@gmail.com>

Has anyone tried CrossOver For Mac?

This is an endeavour from the Wine project with the objective of  
running Windows programs on a Mac WITHOUT requiring Windows XP or  
Vista. Sounds too good to be true.. but it seems to be real enough.

I am going to give this a go as I am unhappy with the overhead imposed  
by running VMWare and more importantly with having to deal with the  
massive intrusions from the Windows OS environment (it's still beeping  
at me!). Not having to pay Microsoft for a crappy OS sounds good too!

Details from

http://www.askdavetaylor.com/crossover_windows_pc_tool_mac_users.html


From macman at f2s.com  Tue Jun 16 12:49:34 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:49:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Merlot for me
In-Reply-To: <5CF9CDF2-4FDD-41ED-A84B-4978C02532EB@gmail.com>
References: <5CF9CDF2-4FDD-41ED-A84B-4978C02532EB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E4F28E72-F374-4861-A673-0D9A5EA04F4B@f2s.com>

I tried it and got in a muddle - but that was probably just me .....

It does tend to pop up a lot with things it doesn't understand, trying  
to make a bottle.

I nearly reached for one myself ....

:-)

Good luck!




Robbie Murray
01603 620749
01603 516175
07882 007667
macman at f2s.com

On 16 Jun 2009, at 12:31, stefan youngs wrote:

Has anyone tried CrossOver For Mac?

This is an endeavour from the Wine project with the objective of
running Windows programs on a Mac WITHOUT requiring Windows XP or
Vista. Sounds too good to be true.. but it seems to be real enough.

I am going to give this a go as I am unhappy with the overhead imposed
by running VMWare and more importantly with having to deal with the
massive intrusions from the Windows OS environment (it's still beeping
at me!). Not having to pay Microsoft for a crappy OS sounds good too!

Details from

http://www.askdavetaylor.com/crossover_windows_pc_tool_mac_users.html
_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
NMUG at durrant.co.uk
http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From kevin at sanderling.co.uk  Tue Jun 16 16:42:18 2009
From: kevin at sanderling.co.uk (Kevin Allenby)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:42:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Remote access to PC from Mac
Message-ID: <9c83344f0906160842s12a726a1kcc773821c597fff0@mail.gmail.com>

I want to remotely access my office PC from my home Mac.

I've kust tried a trial with GoToMyPC.com. which while it gives me access to
the PC and all its programs, it doesn't allow file transfer wwhen accessing
using a Mac (does for a PC). Unfortunately, file transfer is the very
feature I need to allow me to work on our current files and then replace
them.

I just had a look at another service, Logmein.com, and the same Mac issue.

Has anyone found a remote access service that will allow file tranfer from
PC to Mac?

thanks
kevin


From alan at asw6000.plus.com  Tue Jun 16 16:48:00 2009
From: alan at asw6000.plus.com (Alan Williams)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:48:00 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] apple update
Message-ID: <AE4E32B5-014D-4F2B-BFFA-6F8677867B03@asw6000.plus.com>

Finally installed the update to 10.5.7  & the java fix & safari 4.0 &  
quicktime & all seems ok on my ibook.On running disk repair on disk  
utility I must have had 80 + permissions vary &"
  7 suid files have been modified & will not be repaired ". Is this  
anything to be concerned about ?

Alan Williams
alan at asw6000.plus.com






From macman at f2s.com  Tue Jun 16 17:11:29 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:11:29 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] apple update
In-Reply-To: <AE4E32B5-014D-4F2B-BFFA-6F8677867B03@asw6000.plus.com>
References: <AE4E32B5-014D-4F2B-BFFA-6F8677867B03@asw6000.plus.com>
Message-ID: <3187CF78-218F-4E7E-B8B3-99351722A7B5@f2s.com>

I've never had it cause a problem ....


Robbie


On 16 Jun 2009, at 16:48, Alan Williams wrote:

Finally installed the update to 10.5.7  & the java fix & safari 4.0 &
quicktime & all seems ok on my ibook.On running disk repair on disk
utility I must have had 80 + permissions vary &"
  7 suid files have been modified & will not be repaired ". Is this
anything to be concerned about ?

Alan Williams
alan at asw6000.plus.com




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From ghowells at f2s.com  Tue Jun 16 17:17:09 2009
From: ghowells at f2s.com (G.Howells)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:17:09 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Java Bugs - Update available
In-Reply-To: <9CBD1339-46BB-4E5B-8EED-594B777A9F51@durrant.co.uk>
References: <9CBD1339-46BB-4E5B-8EED-594B777A9F51@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <a06240800c65d7527734f@[192.168.2.3]>

Hi everyone.

	I tried to install the Java update together with a few others 
that Software Update threw up at the same time. The others went 
through the process OK but installation of the Java update failed.

	I let Software Update search again, and this time it threw up 
only the Java update (as the others had already been installed the 
first time.)  This time the Java update was installed with no trouble 
at all.

Gordon.


>Apple have released an update to Java for Mac OS X 10.4 and 10.5 that 
>fixes the previously reported security bugs.
>
>You can install it using Software Update. Once installed, it's safe to 
>turn Java back on in your Browser preferences.
>
>Paul
>
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From alan at asw6000.plus.com  Tue Jun 16 17:17:17 2009
From: alan at asw6000.plus.com (Alan Williams)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:17:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] apple update
In-Reply-To: <3187CF78-218F-4E7E-B8B3-99351722A7B5@f2s.com>
References: <AE4E32B5-014D-4F2B-BFFA-6F8677867B03@asw6000.plus.com>
	<3187CF78-218F-4E7E-B8B3-99351722A7B5@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <F93E2393-8BA0-402D-9788-C208366AC4A2@asw6000.plus.com>

Robbie

was there a " but " coming next ?
Prev to this I've had maybe 3 permissions vary max !!

Alan
On 16 Jun 2009, at 17:11, Robbie Murray wrote:

> I've never had it cause a problem ....
>
>
> Robbie
>
>
> On 16 Jun 2009, at 16:48, Alan Williams wrote:
>
> Finally installed the update to 10.5.7  & the java fix & safari 4.0 &
> quicktime & all seems ok on my ibook.On running disk repair on disk
> utility I must have had 80 + permissions vary &"
>  7 suid files have been modified & will not be repaired ". Is this
> anything to be concerned about ?
>
> Alan Williams
> alan at asw6000.plus.com
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

Alan Williams
alan at asw6000.plus.com






From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk  Tue Jun 16 17:26:02 2009
From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:26:02 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Java Bugs - Update available
In-Reply-To: <a06240800c65d7527734f@[192.168.2.3]>
References: <9CBD1339-46BB-4E5B-8EED-594B777A9F51@durrant.co.uk>
	<a06240800c65d7527734f@[192.168.2.3]>
Message-ID: <7515F738-30F5-406D-8F5F-B0F9DCBCC3B3@freeflightsupplies.co.uk>

I've had multiple updates fail in the past. I would appear that  
regular attention and one at a time is the way to go. This Java update  
was all that I had and it went through AOK.

Michael Woodhouse
mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk
http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/




On 16 Jun 2009, at 17:17, G.Howells wrote:

> Hi everyone.
>
> 	I tried to install the Java update together with a few others
> that Software Update threw up at the same time. The others went
> through the process OK but installation of the Java update failed.
>
> 	I let Software Update search again, and this time it threw up
> only the Java update (as the others had already been installed the
> first time.)  This time the Java update was installed with no trouble
> at all.
>
> Gordon.
>
>
>> Apple have released an update to Java for Mac OS X 10.4 and 10.5 that
>> fixes the previously reported security bugs.
>>
>> You can install it using Software Update. Once installed, it's safe  
>> to
>> turn Java back on in your Browser preferences.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
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> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Tue Jun 16 17:38:10 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:38:10 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Why mention Windoze?
Message-ID: <40425BAF-D6EB-49E2-9230-B42119F72323@gmail.com>

Some folks have asked why I bother with Windoze since it's obvious I  
dislike it so much. The explanation is that anyone developing web  
sites MUST test on Windoze and especially on Internet Explorer. Nobody  
who hasn't experienced it would believe how crappy is Microsoft's  
current compliance with web standards. So something that looks great  
on Safari and Firefox might look like spaghetti when you run it on IE.

That's the reason I think it is appropriate for some Windoze issues to  
be raised here: we're on Mac but we have to test on the Dark Side too.


From macman at f2s.com  Tue Jun 16 18:04:10 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:04:10 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] apple update
In-Reply-To: <F93E2393-8BA0-402D-9788-C208366AC4A2@asw6000.plus.com>
References: <AE4E32B5-014D-4F2B-BFFA-6F8677867B03@asw6000.plus.com>
	<3187CF78-218F-4E7E-B8B3-99351722A7B5@f2s.com>
	<F93E2393-8BA0-402D-9788-C208366AC4A2@asw6000.plus.com>
Message-ID: <17863F31-3B0A-4BEF-B12C-F8FD0FC971E5@f2s.com>

No - I've occasionally had bucketloads when I've run Applejack -  
happened just a few days ago.

Whilst they do crop up, it's my understanding that they don't really  
cause a problem - I don't really understand it all, but it's often  
recommended a starting point when things go a bit awry - second after  
"Shut down and Re-start ....."

Programmes such as Onyx simply include permissions repair as part of  
the housekeeping:  I've never been told repairing them causes any  
problem, but it's comforting to see the report showing something's  
been fixed....

Unix is a mystery to me - no doubt someone more knowledgeable will put  
us right!

You may want to read this ....

http://tinyurl.com/c2l6q3

Robbie




On 16 Jun 2009, at 17:17, Alan Williams wrote:

Robbie

was there a " but " coming next ?
Prev to this I've had maybe 3 permissions vary max !!

Alan
On 16 Jun 2009, at 17:11, Robbie Murray wrote:

> I've never had it cause a problem ....
>
>
> Robbie
>
>
> On 16 Jun 2009, at 16:48, Alan Williams wrote:
>
> Finally installed the update to 10.5.7  & the java fix & safari 4.0 &
> quicktime & all seems ok on my ibook.On running disk repair on disk
> utility I must have had 80 + permissions vary &"
> 7 suid files have been modified & will not be repaired ". Is this
> anything to be concerned about ?
>
> Alan Williams
> alan at asw6000.plus.com
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

Alan Williams
alan at asw6000.plus.com




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From macman at f2s.com  Tue Jun 16 18:21:24 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:21:24 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Why mention Windoze?
In-Reply-To: <40425BAF-D6EB-49E2-9230-B42119F72323@gmail.com>
References: <40425BAF-D6EB-49E2-9230-B42119F72323@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3BB3CCCE-CE98-4B06-A3D5-CF37593255F3@f2s.com>

Couldn't agree more: no matter what we may think, and whatever stats  
you look at, IE still accounts for about 64% of  browsing activity  
(down from the high 80's a few years ago), the bulk of this being IE7.

Firefox is around 20%; Safari just over 6%, ( much of that on  
iPhones), and the others are not really worth mentioning individually,  
as the number is tiny.

Like it or not, we certainly need to be sure anything we put up looks  
acceptable on IE!

Robbie




Robbie Murray
01603 620749
01603 516175
07882 007667
macman at f2s.com

On 16 Jun 2009, at 17:38, stefan youngs wrote:

Some folks have asked why I bother with Windoze since it's obvious I
dislike it so much. The explanation is that anyone developing web
sites MUST test on Windoze and especially on Internet Explorer. Nobody
who hasn't experienced it would believe how crappy is Microsoft's
current compliance with web standards. So something that looks great
on Safari and Firefox might look like spaghetti when you run it on IE.

That's the reason I think it is appropriate for some Windoze issues to
be raised here: we're on Mac but we have to test on the Dark Side too.
_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
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http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From munkt0n at gmail.com  Tue Jun 16 18:24:51 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:24:51 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Java Bugs - Update available
In-Reply-To: <a06240800c65d7527734f@192.168.2.3>
References: <9CBD1339-46BB-4E5B-8EED-594B777A9F51@durrant.co.uk>
	<a06240800c65d7527734f@192.168.2.3>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0906161024k7e8ced3cy19d628a5afe822fe@mail.gmail.com>

the Java update failed on all the Macs at work today, choose to
download it instead (from one of the software update menus, can't
remember which one!)

then run the .pkg file that is downloaded.

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:17 PM, G.Howells<ghowells at f2s.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone.
>
> ? ? ? ?I tried to install the Java update together with a few others
> that Software Update threw up at the same time. The others went
> through the process OK but installation of the Java update failed.
>
> ? ? ? ?I let Software Update search again, and this time it threw up
> only the Java update (as the others had already been installed the
> first time.) ?This time the Java update was installed with no trouble
> at all.
>
> Gordon.
>
>
>>Apple have released an update to Java for Mac OS X 10.4 and 10.5 that
>>fixes the previously reported security bugs.
>>
>>You can install it using Software Update. Once installed, it's safe to
>>turn Java back on in your Browser preferences.
>>
>>Paul
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>NMUG mailing list
>>NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



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From munkt0n at gmail.com  Tue Jun 16 18:29:49 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:29:49 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Why mention Windoze?
In-Reply-To: <40425BAF-D6EB-49E2-9230-B42119F72323@gmail.com>
References: <40425BAF-D6EB-49E2-9230-B42119F72323@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0906161029l2a3b500ewc63e54a2c645fd29@mail.gmail.com>

I recently discovered the mysterious 'HasLayout' property, and
addressing this seems to cure 90% of IE6 layout problems with CSS.

http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html

hopefully IE6 will go away soon, but I've got a nasty feeling it'll
stick around for years

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:38 PM, stefan
youngs<stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com> wrote:
> Some folks have asked why I bother with Windoze since it's obvious I
> dislike it so much. The explanation is that anyone developing web
> sites MUST test on Windoze and especially on Internet Explorer. Nobody
> who hasn't experienced it would believe how crappy is Microsoft's
> current compliance with web standards. So something that looks great
> on Safari and Firefox might look like spaghetti when you run it on IE.
>
> That's the reason I think it is appropriate for some Windoze issues to
> be raised here: we're on Mac but we have to test on the Dark Side too.
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Jun 16 18:30:23 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:30:23 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Why mention Windoze?
In-Reply-To: <40425BAF-D6EB-49E2-9230-B42119F72323@gmail.com>
References: <40425BAF-D6EB-49E2-9230-B42119F72323@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <751F14B4-D1D1-457E-BC9B-DFD261F632DF@simonroyal.co.uk>

Stefan

Or like me, you get a Windoze buddy to check it out - then you don't  
have to suffer Windoze.

It is true. You check out a website on a Mac with transparent PNG  
files and it looks great. Check it out on IE6 and it's horrible.

Simon

On 16 Jun 2009, at 17:38, stefan youngs wrote:

> Some folks have asked why I bother with Windoze since it's obvious I
> dislike it so much. The explanation is that anyone developing web
> sites MUST test on Windoze and especially on Internet Explorer. Nobody
> who hasn't experienced it would believe how crappy is Microsoft's
> current compliance with web standards. So something that looks great
> on Safari and Firefox might look like spaghetti when you run it on IE.
>
> That's the reason I think it is appropriate for some Windoze issues to
> be raised here: we're on Mac but we have to test on the Dark Side too.
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
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'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From macman at f2s.com  Tue Jun 16 18:33:10 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:33:10 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Java Bugs - Update available
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0906161024k7e8ced3cy19d628a5afe822fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9CBD1339-46BB-4E5B-8EED-594B777A9F51@durrant.co.uk>
	<a06240800c65d7527734f@192.168.2.3>
	<ac224bde0906161024k7e8ced3cy19d628a5afe822fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <742A74FE-CB92-4166-BAAC-5CE6F12730F8@f2s.com>

Worked fine for me from Software Update with browsers closed (but then  
my permissions are in good repair)

:-)


Robbie

On 16 Jun 2009, at 18:24, Scott Matthews wrote:

the Java update failed on all the Macs at work today, choose to
download it instead (from one of the software update menus, can't
remember which one!)

then run the .pkg file that is downloaded.

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:17 PM, G.Howells<ghowells at f2s.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone.
>
>        I tried to install the Java update together with a few others
> that Software Update threw up at the same time. The others went
> through the process OK but installation of the Java update failed.
>
>        I let Software Update search again, and this time it threw up
> only the Java update (as the others had already been installed the
> first time.)  This time the Java update was installed with no trouble
> at all.
>
> Gordon.
>
>
>> Apple have released an update to Java for Mac OS X 10.4 and 10.5 that
>> fixes the previously reported security bugs.
>>
>> You can install it using Software Update. Once installed, it's safe  
>> to
>> turn Java back on in your Browser preferences.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



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From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Tue Jun 16 18:38:08 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 18:38:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] OK, this is just a guess but,
	how long before the Apple Store opens....
Message-ID: <83C2502C-9D70-4529-BA49-1F7E00B20D96@zen.co.uk>

The former USC store in  the Chapelfield Shopping Mall in Norwich has  
now been boarded up from floor level to the roof. The colour is black  
and the entry door has a security coded lock.

Let the countdown and the rumours begin.

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk





From karl.hortt at btinternet.com  Tue Jun 16 19:07:52 2009
From: karl.hortt at btinternet.com (Karl Hortt)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:07:52 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New iPhone 3g a
Message-ID: <D3146796-5180-486F-B807-B4D9E0859E2D@btinternet.com>


Hi All,

Anyone getting the new iPhone on Friday ?

I was all up for upgrading and therm saw the cost!!!

Ouch!!!

Will have to make do with the new 3.00 software update

Will be on line @ 12:01 to see if I can do the download

Sad or what !!

Karl


Sent from my iPhone 3G


From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Tue Jun 16 23:18:17 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:18:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Merlot for me
In-Reply-To: <5CF9CDF2-4FDD-41ED-A84B-4978C02532EB@gmail.com>
References: <5CF9CDF2-4FDD-41ED-A84B-4978C02532EB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A381A29.1010101@stackyard.org>

I would certainly be a bit sceptical of this.  Wine was always pretty 
dodgy because of what it was trying to do, i.e. make some sort of sense 
of Windows programs to run under Linux.  It was, at the time (going back 
a few years) for people who ONLY wanted to run one of the programs that 
actually worked and there sure weren't many.  I never met anyone who 
only wanted to run one or two Windows programs and I gave up on it due 
to it's tendency to, shall we say, not carry on in the face of 
adversity.  Then it got too easy to have a second machine to run 
Windows......

But things may have moved on.  I'll be interested in hearing of your 
progress, Kelvin.

Ken

stefan youngs wrote:
> Has anyone tried CrossOver For Mac?
>
> This is an endeavour from the Wine project with the objective of  
> running Windows programs on a Mac WITHOUT requiring Windows XP or  
> Vista. Sounds too good to be true.. but it seems to be real enough.
>
> I am going to give this a go as I am unhappy with the overhead imposed  
> by running VMWare and more importantly with having to deal with the  
> massive intrusions from the Windows OS environment (it's still beeping  
> at me!). Not having to pay Microsoft for a crappy OS sounds good too!
>
> Details from
>
> http://www.askdavetaylor.com/crossover_windows_pc_tool_mac_users.html
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Tue Jun 16 23:25:43 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:25:43 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Remote access to PC from Mac
In-Reply-To: <9c83344f0906160842s12a726a1kcc773821c597fff0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9c83344f0906160842s12a726a1kcc773821c597fff0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A381BE7.1020303@stackyard.org>

Hi Kevin,

This might sound a bit inconvenient but have you thought of setting 
aside an encrypted area on your web server to put stuff?  You could 
access the data from anywhere on any machine.  You would just have to be 
careful to encrypt the data and/or the connection to the server and 
maybe password protect it as well.

Just a thought.

Ken


Kevin Allenby wrote:
> I want to remotely access my office PC from my home Mac.
>
> I've kust tried a trial with GoToMyPC.com. which while it gives me access to
> the PC and all its programs, it doesn't allow file transfer wwhen accessing
> using a Mac (does for a PC). Unfortunately, file transfer is the very
> feature I need to allow me to work on our current files and then replace
> them.
>
> I just had a look at another service, Logmein.com, and the same Mac issue.
>
> Has anyone found a remote access service that will allow file tranfer from
> PC to Mac?
>
> thanks
> kevin
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From yahooist at anyisle.com  Wed Jun 17 00:22:33 2009
From: yahooist at anyisle.com (Neil S.)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 00:22:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Apple Releases
Message-ID: <F490978D-FB9B-4197-AB8C-6C68272C78E4@anyisle.com>

Hi Guys,

	As a matter of extreme interest to me at the moment, when Apple  
offer up a release DATE for software is it generally available at  
00:00 GMT, BST, EST, PST or at another specific global time.

	My particular interest is in iPhone 3.0, due to be released on June  
17th, i.e. today, in BST terms.

Regards...
Neil

--
iPod
iMac
iPhone
I Believe



From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Wed Jun 17 12:24:28 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:24:28 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Micorsoft Layout problems
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1245236402.28004.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1.1245236402.28004.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6EDCEAC0-CD4A-4C80-BBE1-EFB5EB7C63B0@gmail.com>


Scott wrote

> I recently discovered the mysterious 'HasLayout' property, and
> addressing this seems to cure 90% of IE6 layout problems with CSS.
>
> http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html
>
> hopefully IE6 will go away soon, but I've got a nasty feeling it'll
> stick around for years


THANKYOU.. very interesting!! Isn't is utterly amazing that Microsoft  
can invent a property for layout all on its own, fail to document it,  
fail to explain it to anyone, implement it in an arbitrary manner so  
logic will not inform you when it is in action, and then just sit back  
for years and not do anything about it? Am I being paranoid here, or  
might it have been part of a plan to persuade developers that so long  
as they stayed with IE, they wouldn't have to worry about these  
matters as IE is internally consistent with this Microsoft property?  
The plan has failed because the dear old user has looked at  
alternative browsers and liked what he has seen.

  It's truly amazing to me that a specified column height aligning  
with the top of an enclosing frame will align perfectly in every other  
browser, but will be some pixels out on IE.. sometimes it will be  
offset left too. This makes for a serious eyesore and you just have to  
find hacks to overcome it, repositioning for IE only, leaving Firefox  
and Safari layout alone.. it's a problem

  Microsoft is claiming IE8 is their first attempt at getting into  
compliance and it's certainly better than IE6 (which is frankly a  
nightmare if your layouts are in any way complicated from a layout  
perspective - ie not straight up and down) but they still have much  
ground to cover.

I am hoping their dominance of the browser market has gone - I read  
that Firefox and Safari are now responsible for 50%+ of the surfing in  
Europe and growing, and of course Safari is now running 65%+ of the  
mobile browsing activity worldwide, which together mean that  
developers have to take them seriously. Apple has done a great job on  
compliance, Safari is currently the only browser 100% compliant with  
the latest standards (IE is a paltry 29% by way of comparison).  
Hopefully Microsoft will implement all the standards and then we can  
develop away without having to fix Microsoft's ravings.




From sc at davidviner.com  Wed Jun 17 12:32:12 2009
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:32:12 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Micorsoft Layout problems
In-Reply-To: <6EDCEAC0-CD4A-4C80-BBE1-EFB5EB7C63B0@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1245236402.28004.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<6EDCEAC0-CD4A-4C80-BBE1-EFB5EB7C63B0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A38D43C.809@davidviner.com>

Stefan

You will probably appreciate this:
    http://www.vilain.com/web-design.html
especially the "yellow" bit :)

David


stefan youngs wrote:
> Scott wrote
>
>   
>> I recently discovered the mysterious 'HasLayout' property, and
>> addressing this seems to cure 90% of IE6 layout problems with CSS.
>>
>> http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html
>>
>> hopefully IE6 will go away soon, but I've got a nasty feeling it'll
>> stick around for years
>>     
>
>
> THANKYOU.. very interesting!! Isn't is utterly amazing that Microsoft  
> can invent a property for layout all on its own, fail to document it,  
> fail to explain it to anyone, implement it in an arbitrary manner so  
> logic will not inform you when it is in action, and then just sit back  
> for years and not do anything about it? Am I being paranoid here, or  
> might it have been part of a plan to persuade developers that so long  
> as they stayed with IE, they wouldn't have to worry about these  
> matters as IE is internally consistent with this Microsoft property?  
> The plan has failed because the dear old user has looked at  
> alternative browsers and liked what he has seen.
>
>   It's truly amazing to me that a specified column height aligning  
> with the top of an enclosing frame will align perfectly in every other  
> browser, but will be some pixels out on IE.. sometimes it will be  
> offset left too. This makes for a serious eyesore and you just have to  
> find hacks to overcome it, repositioning for IE only, leaving Firefox  
> and Safari layout alone.. it's a problem
>
>   Microsoft is claiming IE8 is their first attempt at getting into  
> compliance and it's certainly better than IE6 (which is frankly a  
> nightmare if your layouts are in any way complicated from a layout  
> perspective - ie not straight up and down) but they still have much  
> ground to cover.
>
> I am hoping their dominance of the browser market has gone - I read  
> that Firefox and Safari are now responsible for 50%+ of the surfing in  
> Europe and growing, and of course Safari is now running 65%+ of the  
> mobile browsing activity worldwide, which together mean that  
> developers have to take them seriously. Apple has done a great job on  
> compliance, Safari is currently the only browser 100% compliant with  
> the latest standards (IE is a paltry 29% by way of comparison).  
> Hopefully Microsoft will implement all the standards and then we can  
> develop away without having to fix Microsoft's ravings.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From munkt0n at gmail.com  Wed Jun 17 12:32:34 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:32:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Micorsoft Layout problems
In-Reply-To: <6EDCEAC0-CD4A-4C80-BBE1-EFB5EB7C63B0@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1245236402.28004.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<6EDCEAC0-CD4A-4C80-BBE1-EFB5EB7C63B0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0906170432k38269cf5m775d00164195c0b8@mail.gmail.com>

another big gotcha with IE 6 is Standard and Quirks mode.

Microsoft and Netscape got the CSS box model completely wrong with IE
4 and Netscape 4. When they released IE 6 they fixed the box model,
but to ensure compatibility with all the sites that were designed for
IE 4 + 5 they introduced 'Quirks Mode', when a page is set to 'Quirks
Mode' it will fall back to the old, broken box model.

It is very easy to make IE 6 fall into quirks mode, the easiest way is
to just leave out the doctype, sometimes even having some whitespace
before the doctype is enough to force IE 6 into quirks mode. and this
is when layouts start acting crazy.

this site explains it all - http://www.quirksmode.org/css/quirksmode.html

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 12:24 PM, stefan
youngs<stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> Scott wrote
>
>> I recently discovered the mysterious 'HasLayout' property, and
>> addressing this seems to cure 90% of IE6 layout problems with CSS.
>>
>> http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html
>>
>> hopefully IE6 will go away soon, but I've got a nasty feeling it'll
>> stick around for years
>
>
> THANKYOU.. very interesting!! Isn't is utterly amazing that Microsoft
> can invent a property for layout all on its own, fail to document it,
> fail to explain it to anyone, implement it in an arbitrary manner so
> logic will not inform you when it is in action, and then just sit back
> for years and not do anything about it? Am I being paranoid here, or
> might it have been part of a plan to persuade developers that so long
> as they stayed with IE, they wouldn't have to worry about these
> matters as IE is internally consistent with this Microsoft property?
> The plan has failed because the dear old user has looked at
> alternative browsers and liked what he has seen.
>
> ?It's truly amazing to me that a specified column height aligning
> with the top of an enclosing frame will align perfectly in every other
> browser, but will be some pixels out on IE.. sometimes it will be
> offset left too. This makes for a serious eyesore and you just have to
> find hacks to overcome it, repositioning for IE only, leaving Firefox
> and Safari layout alone.. it's a problem
>
> ?Microsoft is claiming IE8 is their first attempt at getting into
> compliance and it's certainly better than IE6 (which is frankly a
> nightmare if your layouts are in any way complicated from a layout
> perspective - ie not straight up and down) but they still have much
> ground to cover.
>
> I am hoping their dominance of the browser market has gone - I read
> that Firefox and Safari are now responsible for 50%+ of the surfing in
> Europe and growing, and of course Safari is now running 65%+ of the
> mobile browsing activity worldwide, which together mean that
> developers have to take them seriously. Apple has done a great job on
> compliance, Safari is currently the only browser 100% compliant with
> the latest standards (IE is a paltry 29% by way of comparison).
> Hopefully Microsoft will implement all the standards and then we can
> develop away without having to fix Microsoft's ravings.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



-- 
:wq


From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Wed Jun 17 12:34:34 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:34:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] One glass or two?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1245236402.28004.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1.1245236402.28004.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4615B5C9-5F77-4712-8215-B5F64674ED30@gmail.com>


>  I never met anyone who
> only wanted to run one or two Windows programs and I gave up on it due
> to it's tendency to, shall we say, not carry on in the face of
> adversity.  Then it got too easy to have a second machine to run
> Windows......
>
> But things may have moved on.  I'll be interested in hearing of your
> progress,


Wino might do the job for me. They claim 5000+ programs are now  
validated, over 300 completely.

Right now I really do only want to run a couple of programs, Internet  
Explorer 6 and 8, Firefox and Chrome so I can test web layouts on  
them. I will let you know how I get on.

Interestingly, there seems to be NO WAY on a machine running Windows  
that you can have both IE6 and IE8 installed. I can't find a way to do  
it anyway. If I have IE6 and download IE8 then 6 is overwritten. If I  
have IE8, Microsoft will not permit me to install IE6. See, Nanny  
knows best.... 6 will give you piles and 8 is good for you. Both, of  
course, are pains in the ....

Ain't life grand on the Dark Side? ,


From sc at davidviner.com  Wed Jun 17 12:52:27 2009
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:52:27 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] One glass or two?
In-Reply-To: <4615B5C9-5F77-4712-8215-B5F64674ED30@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1245236402.28004.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<4615B5C9-5F77-4712-8215-B5F64674ED30@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A38D8FB.8070801@davidviner.com>

IE Tester can run multiple versions of IE (5.5, 6, 7 and 8) but it means 
that you need IE7 to be "officially" installed.

IE Tester is available here:
    http://www.my-debugbar.com/wiki/IETester/HomePage
Note that it's not completely stable (in fact version 0.3.3 seems less 
stable than 0.3.2).

David


stefan youngs wrote:
>>  I never met anyone who
>> only wanted to run one or two Windows programs and I gave up on it due
>> to it's tendency to, shall we say, not carry on in the face of
>> adversity.  Then it got too easy to have a second machine to run
>> Windows......
>>
>> But things may have moved on.  I'll be interested in hearing of your
>> progress,
>>     
>
>
> Wino might do the job for me. They claim 5000+ programs are now  
> validated, over 300 completely.
>
> Right now I really do only want to run a couple of programs, Internet  
> Explorer 6 and 8, Firefox and Chrome so I can test web layouts on  
> them. I will let you know how I get on.
>
> Interestingly, there seems to be NO WAY on a machine running Windows  
> that you can have both IE6 and IE8 installed. I can't find a way to do  
> it anyway. If I have IE6 and download IE8 then 6 is overwritten. If I  
> have IE8, Microsoft will not permit me to install IE6. See, Nanny  
> knows best.... 6 will give you piles and 8 is good for you. Both, of  
> course, are pains in the ....
>
> Ain't life grand on the Dark Side? ,
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com  Wed Jun 17 14:29:32 2009
From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 14:29:32 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Click
Message-ID: <AB309352-E79D-4471-B07A-4A362B60799C@ruthmurray.f2s.com>

Hi folks

Check out Click on BBC iPlayer for a great article on Apple.

Ruth



From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Wed Jun 17 16:16:14 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:16:14 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Burger for a browser
Message-ID: <36B41343-6062-4073-BC9E-63F639EE4D70@gmail.com>

Am I the only one to find this tacky?

http://www.browserforthebetter.com/index-htm.html#getie8:vfhordTb0QI

Mars Bars for the best replies!


From macman at f2s.com  Wed Jun 17 16:23:06 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:23:06 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Burger for a browser
In-Reply-To: <36B41343-6062-4073-BC9E-63F639EE4D70@gmail.com>
References: <36B41343-6062-4073-BC9E-63F639EE4D70@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <96FF0BD0-F3B0-44B4-937C-327274964A6A@f2s.com>

They're obviously going to give them free SPAM ....

Robbie


On 17 Jun 2009, at 16:16, stefan youngs wrote:

Am I the only one to find this tacky?

http://www.browserforthebetter.com/index-htm.html#getie8:vfhordTb0QI

Mars Bars for the best replies!
_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
NMUG at durrant.co.uk
http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Jun 17 18:02:34 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:02:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Burger for a browser
In-Reply-To: <96FF0BD0-F3B0-44B4-937C-327274964A6A@f2s.com>
References: <36B41343-6062-4073-BC9E-63F639EE4D70@gmail.com>
	<96FF0BD0-F3B0-44B4-937C-327274964A6A@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <9D696248-0846-444F-AE45-317915DD284A@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

With all those meals they will become Microstuffed.

:)

Simon

On 17 Jun 2009, at 16:23, Robbie Murray wrote:

> They're obviously going to give them free SPAM ....
>
> Robbie
>
>
> On 17 Jun 2009, at 16:16, stefan youngs wrote:
>
> Am I the only one to find this tacky?
>
> http://www.browserforthebetter.com/index-htm.html#getie8:vfhordTb0QI
>
> Mars Bars for the best replies!
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
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'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Wed Jun 17 18:07:45 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:07:45 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] The Web Villain
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1584.1245258159.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1584.1245258159.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <E8AD357C-2EAE-4DB1-8926-A49DE97C4AA5@gmail.com>


David wrote

>
> Stefan
>
> You will probably appreciate this:
>    http://www.vilain.com/web-design.html
> especially the "yellow" bit :)
>
> David


That is priceless!!!!... thankyou!

From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Wed Jun 17 18:19:54 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:19:54 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] One glass or two.. or maybe it's ten that's needed
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1584.1245258159.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1584.1245258159.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <83804A8C-6E7F-4203-9A10-6F9A0BC47C9E@gmail.com>

> David wrote


>
> IE Tester can run multiple versions of IE (5.5, 6, 7 and 8) but it  
> means
> that you need IE7 to be "officially" installed.
>
> IE Tester is available here:
>    http://www.my-debugbar.com/wiki/IETester/HomePage
> Note that it's not completely stable (in fact version 0.3.3 seems less
> stable than 0.3.2).
>
> David


Thanks David for the heads up on this. I will give it a go..  
however....(and this is not to seem ungrateful to you for pointing out  
this program, but is a criticism of the Windoze environment)

We are indeed through the looking glass now.. so to test IE6 and IE8  
on the same machine, I must install IE7! Makes perfect sense.. if  
you're a nutter.

However, I just realized... I BET you I cannot install IE7 because  
(wait for it!) I already have IE8 installed!!!!! (I know, uninstall 8,  
install 7, then install 6 and 8.. what a great idea.

How I love the simple life on Mac! I hope those of you who have no  
need to consider Windoze issues are having a great laugh at all  
this... when your  PC friends scoff at your use of Mac, just tell them  
about this little episode. Doubtless there are hundreds more.

From minkennison at mac.com  Wed Jun 17 18:51:17 2009
From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:51:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Click
In-Reply-To: <AB309352-E79D-4471-B07A-4A362B60799C@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
References: <AB309352-E79D-4471-B07A-4A362B60799C@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
Message-ID: <C382F111-FA65-45A3-962D-BA1E14126FFA@mac.com>

As you said Ruth - great article

Min
On 17 Jun 2009, at 14:2917 Jun 2009, Ruth Murray wrote:

> Hi folks
>
> Check out Click on BBC iPlayer for a great article on Apple.
>
> Ruth
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From sc at davidviner.com  Wed Jun 17 19:27:14 2009
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:27:14 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] One glass or two.. or maybe it's ten that's needed
In-Reply-To: <83804A8C-6E7F-4203-9A10-6F9A0BC47C9E@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1584.1245258159.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<83804A8C-6E7F-4203-9A10-6F9A0BC47C9E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A393582.5070702@davidviner.com>

Stephan

> Thanks David for the heads up on this. I will give it a go..  
> however....(and this is not to seem ungrateful to you for pointing out  
> this program, but is a criticism of the Windoze environment)
>
> We are indeed through the looking glass now.. so to test IE6 and IE8  
> on the same machine, I must install IE7! Makes perfect sense.. if  
> you're a nutter.
>
> However, I just realized... I BET you I cannot install IE7 because  
> (wait for it!) I already have IE8 installed!!!!! (I know, uninstall 8,  
> install 7, then install 6 and 8.. what a great idea.
>   

Yep! Well, I haven't tried that but it wouldn't surprise me :) Because 
of all the different (versions of) browsers out there my web site 
testing environment consists of:

    * A Windows XP PC with Firefox 3.0, Safari 4 (just upgraded from 3),
      Opera 9/10b, Chrome 2, IE7 and IE Tester.
    * The above also runs Virtual Box on which is running (amongst others):
          o Windows 2000 (for proper IE6 testing when IE Tester is
            having a sulk and FF2)
          o Windows 7 RC1 (for the Win7 variant of IE8, Firefox 3.5 RC1,
            Chrome 3)
          o NT4 (with IE5 and FF1.5)
          o Ubuntu (Konquerer, FF3, Opera).
    * Another XP PC with IE8.
    * A Mac (PowerPC) with FF2, FF3, Safari 4 and Camino.
    * A couple of test web servers running the Gentoo and Ubuntu Server
      variations of Linux because I refuse to use Windows as a server
      having experienced the nightmare of those at a couple of companies
      I used to work for. Mind you, I do have one web site client who
      uses a hosting company that have Mac web servers and there are a
      few little gotchas to look out for on those (though they're
      definitely not prone to the crap-ups that come with *ugh* IIS).
    * A Vic-20 (ok, so I don't test web sites on that one but I do own
      one :) Whilst a Vic is not up to being used for web browsing
      mentioning it did remind me that someone once set up a Commodore
      64 as a web server - aha, it's still running: www.c64web.com)


> How I love the simple life on Mac! I hope those of you who have no  
> need to consider Windoze issues are having a great laugh at all  
> this... when your  PC friends scoff at your use of Mac, just tell them  
> about this little episode. Doubtless there are hundreds more.
>   

Thousands more like - a lot of them are listed here: www.annoyances.org 
and here's a very silly one that I reported to the Register a couple of 
years ago:
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/09/friendly_fire_virtual_pc/

David



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Jun 17 19:38:00 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:38:00 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Slow Internet 'Looking Up'
Message-ID: <07A9AF9E-2CBE-45CA-940D-B0E6F7E0BE43@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

We had severe raining in Watton a few days ago and since then my Mac  
has been playing up on the internet.

At least 50% of pages loading fail. They sit at the 'Looking Up' stage  
for ages then fail.

I thought it was my net connection, but my wifes laptop is fine. I  
thought it was because I had just upgraded to the latest Firefox 3  
version, but so has my wife (although here is on Windows). I just  
tried a different browser on my Mac and it did the same.

I have recycled my router - but no joy.

Any ideas.

Simon Royal
---
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From ricnev at mac.com  Wed Jun 17 19:46:14 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:46:14 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] One glass or two.. or maybe it's ten that's needed
In-Reply-To: <4A393582.5070702@davidviner.com>
References: <mailman.1584.1245258159.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<83804A8C-6E7F-4203-9A10-6F9A0BC47C9E@gmail.com>
	<4A393582.5070702@davidviner.com>
Message-ID: <1FA14128-7348-46ED-9400-E934AA97DEFA@mac.com>

So - you haven't got  VirtualRPC-AdjustStrongArm for Mac to test the  
various Acorn-centric browsers on then?!

http://www.virtualacorn.co.uk/products/vrpcadsamac.htm

There must be some.. ooo.. about 5,000ish users still using Acorn/ 
RiscPC/Iyonix computers with various browsers.

They're not able to use Java, though  ... although I suppose us OSX  
users have been bereft recently.


On 17 Jun 2009, at 19:27, David Viner wrote:

> Stephan
>
>> Thanks David for the heads up on this. I will give it a go..
>> however....(and this is not to seem ungrateful to you for pointing  
>> out
>> this program, but is a criticism of the Windoze environment)
>>
>> We are indeed through the looking glass now.. so to test IE6 and IE8
>> on the same machine, I must install IE7! Makes perfect sense.. if
>> you're a nutter.
>>
>> However, I just realized... I BET you I cannot install IE7 because
>> (wait for it!) I already have IE8 installed!!!!! (I know, uninstall  
>> 8,
>> install 7, then install 6 and 8.. what a great idea.
>>
>
> Yep! Well, I haven't tried that but it wouldn't surprise me :) Because
> of all the different (versions of) browsers out there my web site
> testing environment consists of:
>
>    * A Windows XP PC with Firefox 3.0, Safari 4 (just upgraded from  
> 3),
>      Opera 9/10b, Chrome 2, IE7 and IE Tester.
>    * The above also runs Virtual Box on which is running (amongst  
> others):
>          o Windows 2000 (for proper IE6 testing when IE Tester is
>            having a sulk and FF2)
>          o Windows 7 RC1 (for the Win7 variant of IE8, Firefox 3.5  
> RC1,
>            Chrome 3)
>          o NT4 (with IE5 and FF1.5)
>          o Ubuntu (Konquerer, FF3, Opera).
>    * Another XP PC with IE8.
>    * A Mac (PowerPC) with FF2, FF3, Safari 4 and Camino.
>    * A couple of test web servers running the Gentoo and Ubuntu Server
>      variations of Linux because I refuse to use Windows as a server
>      having experienced the nightmare of those at a couple of  
> companies
>      I used to work for. Mind you, I do have one web site client who
>      uses a hosting company that have Mac web servers and there are a
>      few little gotchas to look out for on those (though they're
>      definitely not prone to the crap-ups that come with *ugh* IIS).
>    * A Vic-20 (ok, so I don't test web sites on that one but I do own
>      one :) Whilst a Vic is not up to being used for web browsing
>      mentioning it did remind me that someone once set up a Commodore
>      64 as a web server - aha, it's still running: www.c64web.com)
>
>
>> How I love the simple life on Mac! I hope those of you who have no
>> need to consider Windoze issues are having a great laugh at all
>> this... when your  PC friends scoff at your use of Mac, just tell  
>> them
>> about this little episode. Doubtless there are hundreds more.
>>
>
> Thousands more like - a lot of them are listed here:  
> www.annoyances.org
> and here's a very silly one that I reported to the Register a couple  
> of
> years ago:
>    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/09/friendly_fire_virtual_pc/
>
> David
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com





From ricnev at mac.com  Wed Jun 17 19:48:06 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:48:06 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Slow Internet 'Looking Up'
In-Reply-To: <07A9AF9E-2CBE-45CA-940D-B0E6F7E0BE43@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <07A9AF9E-2CBE-45CA-940D-B0E6F7E0BE43@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <F4958D51-BF22-4298-903D-42CA7A5068DE@mac.com>

Have you recycled your Mac?

On 17 Jun 2009, at 19:38, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> We had severe raining in Watton a few days ago and since then my Mac
> has been playing up on the internet.
>
> At least 50% of pages loading fail. They sit at the 'Looking Up' stage
> for ages then fail.
>
> I thought it was my net connection, but my wifes laptop is fine. I
> thought it was because I had just upgraded to the latest Firefox 3
> version, but so has my wife (although here is on Windows). I just
> tried a different browser on my Mac and it did the same.
>
> I have recycled my router - but no joy.
>
> Any ideas.
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com





From sc at davidviner.com  Wed Jun 17 19:53:50 2009
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:53:50 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] One glass or two.. or maybe it's ten that's needed
In-Reply-To: <1FA14128-7348-46ED-9400-E934AA97DEFA@mac.com>
References: <mailman.1584.1245258159.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>	<83804A8C-6E7F-4203-9A10-6F9A0BC47C9E@gmail.com>	<4A393582.5070702@davidviner.com>
	<1FA14128-7348-46ED-9400-E934AA97DEFA@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4A393BBE.70800@davidviner.com>

No - stuff 'em :) (but I have got a broken Archimedes buried in a 
cupboard) - David


Richard Nevill wrote:
> So - you haven't got  VirtualRPC-AdjustStrongArm for Mac to test the  
> various Acorn-centric browsers on then?!
>
> http://www.virtualacorn.co.uk/products/vrpcadsamac.htm
>
> There must be some.. ooo.. about 5,000ish users still using Acorn/ 
> RiscPC/Iyonix computers with various browsers.
>
> They're not able to use Java, though  ... although I suppose us OSX  
> users have been bereft recently.
>
>
> On 17 Jun 2009, at 19:27, David Viner wrote:
>
>   
>> Stephan
>>
>>     
>>> Thanks David for the heads up on this. I will give it a go..
>>> however....(and this is not to seem ungrateful to you for pointing  
>>> out
>>> this program, but is a criticism of the Windoze environment)
>>>
>>> We are indeed through the looking glass now.. so to test IE6 and IE8
>>> on the same machine, I must install IE7! Makes perfect sense.. if
>>> you're a nutter.
>>>
>>> However, I just realized... I BET you I cannot install IE7 because
>>> (wait for it!) I already have IE8 installed!!!!! (I know, uninstall  
>>> 8,
>>> install 7, then install 6 and 8.. what a great idea.
>>>
>>>       
>> Yep! Well, I haven't tried that but it wouldn't surprise me :) Because
>> of all the different (versions of) browsers out there my web site
>> testing environment consists of:
>>
>>    * A Windows XP PC with Firefox 3.0, Safari 4 (just upgraded from  
>> 3),
>>      Opera 9/10b, Chrome 2, IE7 and IE Tester.
>>    * The above also runs Virtual Box on which is running (amongst  
>> others):
>>          o Windows 2000 (for proper IE6 testing when IE Tester is
>>            having a sulk and FF2)
>>          o Windows 7 RC1 (for the Win7 variant of IE8, Firefox 3.5  
>> RC1,
>>            Chrome 3)
>>          o NT4 (with IE5 and FF1.5)
>>          o Ubuntu (Konquerer, FF3, Opera).
>>    * Another XP PC with IE8.
>>    * A Mac (PowerPC) with FF2, FF3, Safari 4 and Camino.
>>    * A couple of test web servers running the Gentoo and Ubuntu Server
>>      variations of Linux because I refuse to use Windows as a server
>>      having experienced the nightmare of those at a couple of  
>> companies
>>      I used to work for. Mind you, I do have one web site client who
>>      uses a hosting company that have Mac web servers and there are a
>>      few little gotchas to look out for on those (though they're
>>      definitely not prone to the crap-ups that come with *ugh* IIS).
>>    * A Vic-20 (ok, so I don't test web sites on that one but I do own
>>      one :) Whilst a Vic is not up to being used for web browsing
>>      mentioning it did remind me that someone once set up a Commodore
>>      64 as a web server - aha, it's still running: www.c64web.com)
>>
>>
>>     
>>> How I love the simple life on Mac! I hope those of you who have no
>>> need to consider Windoze issues are having a great laugh at all
>>> this... when your  PC friends scoff at your use of Mac, just tell  
>>> them
>>> about this little episode. Doubtless there are hundreds more.
>>>
>>>       
>> Thousands more like - a lot of them are listed here:  
>> www.annoyances.org
>> and here's a very silly one that I reported to the Register a couple  
>> of
>> years ago:
>>    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/09/friendly_fire_virtual_pc/
>>
>> David
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>     
>
> Richard Nevill
> ricnev at mac.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Jun 17 19:58:45 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:58:45 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Slow Internet 'Looking Up'
In-Reply-To: <F4958D51-BF22-4298-903D-42CA7A5068DE@mac.com>
References: <07A9AF9E-2CBE-45CA-940D-B0E6F7E0BE43@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<F4958D51-BF22-4298-903D-42CA7A5068DE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E8B0E6B2-53C4-417F-BB97-55A249C58DA0@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

Yes. This has been an ongoing problem for a few days. It has been  
recycled a couple of times.

Simon

On 17 Jun 2009, at 19:48, Richard Nevill wrote:

> Have you recycled your Mac?
>
> On 17 Jun 2009, at 19:38, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> We had severe raining in Watton a few days ago and since then my Mac
>> has been playing up on the internet.
>>
>> At least 50% of pages loading fail. They sit at the 'Looking Up'  
>> stage
>> for ages then fail.
>>
>> I thought it was my net connection, but my wifes laptop is fine. I
>> thought it was because I had just upgraded to the latest Firefox 3
>> version, but so has my wife (although here is on Windows). I just
>> tried a different browser on my Mac and it did the same.
>>
>> I have recycled my router - but no joy.
>>
>> Any ideas.
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> Richard Nevill
> ricnev at mac.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From tomkershaw at mac.com  Wed Jun 17 20:05:18 2009
From: tomkershaw at mac.com (Tom Kershaw)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:05:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Slow Internet 'Looking Up'
In-Reply-To: <E8B0E6B2-53C4-417F-BB97-55A249C58DA0@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <07A9AF9E-2CBE-45CA-940D-B0E6F7E0BE43@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<F4958D51-BF22-4298-903D-42CA7A5068DE@mac.com>
	<E8B0E6B2-53C4-417F-BB97-55A249C58DA0@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A393E6E.4000909@mac.com>

Simon,

I can't remember what the details are, but there are some settings you 
can use to connect your router directly to BT, - not for internet 
access, but as a reconnection mechanism. This technique has worked for 
me in the past when the ADSL connection to the ISP seemed to drift off 
course.

Tom.


Simon Royal wrote:
> Hi
>
> Yes. This has been an ongoing problem for a few days. It has been  
> recycled a couple of times.
>
> Simon
>
> On 17 Jun 2009, at 19:48, Richard Nevill wrote:
>
>   
>> Have you recycled your Mac?
>>
>> On 17 Jun 2009, at 19:38, Simon Royal wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> We had severe raining in Watton a few days ago and since then my Mac
>>> has been playing up on the internet.
>>>
>>> At least 50% of pages loading fail. They sit at the 'Looking Up'  
>>> stage
>>> for ages then fail.
>>>
>>> I thought it was my net connection, but my wifes laptop is fine. I
>>> thought it was because I had just upgraded to the latest Firefox 3
>>> version, but so has my wife (although here is on Windows). I just
>>> tried a different browser on my Mac and it did the same.
>>>
>>> I have recycled my router - but no joy.
>>>
>>> Any ideas.
>>>
>>> Simon Royal
>>> ---
>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>       
>> Richard Nevill
>> ricnev at mac.com
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>     
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>   



From ricnev at mac.com  Wed Jun 17 20:06:18 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:06:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Slow Internet 'Looking Up'
In-Reply-To: <E8B0E6B2-53C4-417F-BB97-55A249C58DA0@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <07A9AF9E-2CBE-45CA-940D-B0E6F7E0BE43@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<F4958D51-BF22-4298-903D-42CA7A5068DE@mac.com>
	<E8B0E6B2-53C4-417F-BB97-55A249C58DA0@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <EC38B79E-AAEB-4AE3-A6F3-117BF57D6117@mac.com>

Check if someone has set up a new nearby network on the same WiFi  
channel as you are using. Airport cards can sometimes be more  
susceptible to crowded airways than other cards in other machines.

Richard.

On 17 Jun 2009, at 19:58, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> Yes. This has been an ongoing problem for a few days. It has been
> recycled a couple of times.
>
> Simon
>
> On 17 Jun 2009, at 19:48, Richard Nevill wrote:
>
>> Have you recycled your Mac?
>>
>> On 17 Jun 2009, at 19:38, Simon Royal wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> We had severe raining in Watton a few days ago and since then my Mac
>>> has been playing up on the internet.
>>>
>>> At least 50% of pages loading fail. They sit at the 'Looking Up'
>>> stage
>>> for ages then fail.
>>>
>>> I thought it was my net connection, but my wifes laptop is fine. I
>>> thought it was because I had just upgraded to the latest Firefox 3
>>> version, but so has my wife (although here is on Windows). I just
>>> tried a different browser on my Mac and it did the same.
>>>
>>> I have recycled my router - but no joy.
>>>
>>> Any ideas.
>>>
>>> Simon Royal
>>> ---
>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>> Richard Nevill
>> ricnev at mac.com
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com





From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Jun 17 20:18:28 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:18:28 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Slow Internet 'Looking Up'
In-Reply-To: <EC38B79E-AAEB-4AE3-A6F3-117BF57D6117@mac.com>
References: <07A9AF9E-2CBE-45CA-940D-B0E6F7E0BE43@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<F4958D51-BF22-4298-903D-42CA7A5068DE@mac.com>
	<E8B0E6B2-53C4-417F-BB97-55A249C58DA0@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<EC38B79E-AAEB-4AE3-A6F3-117BF57D6117@mac.com>
Message-ID: <A429AF51-A9A8-401E-B484-EDF139361EAD@simonroyal.co.uk>

Richard

No new networks detected. No channel changes in existing networks - I  
checked with iStumbler.

I'm using a Buffalo card which is detected as an Airport Extreme card  
which sits in the PCMCIA slot, so has external ariel and doesn't use  
the internal ariel around the screen.

Simon

On 17 Jun 2009, at 20:06, Richard Nevill wrote:

> Check if someone has set up a new nearby network on the same WiFi
> channel as you are using. Airport cards can sometimes be more
> susceptible to crowded airways than other cards in other machines.
>
> Richard.
>
> On 17 Jun 2009, at 19:58, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Yes. This has been an ongoing problem for a few days. It has been
>> recycled a couple of times.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> On 17 Jun 2009, at 19:48, Richard Nevill wrote:
>>
>>> Have you recycled your Mac?
>>>
>>> On 17 Jun 2009, at 19:38, Simon Royal wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> We had severe raining in Watton a few days ago and since then my  
>>>> Mac
>>>> has been playing up on the internet.
>>>>
>>>> At least 50% of pages loading fail. They sit at the 'Looking Up'
>>>> stage
>>>> for ages then fail.
>>>>
>>>> I thought it was my net connection, but my wifes laptop is fine. I
>>>> thought it was because I had just upgraded to the latest Firefox 3
>>>> version, but so has my wife (although here is on Windows). I just
>>>> tried a different browser on my Mac and it did the same.
>>>>
>>>> I have recycled my router - but no joy.
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas.
>>>>
>>>> Simon Royal
>>>> ---
>>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>> Richard Nevill
>>> ricnev at mac.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> Richard Nevill
> ricnev at mac.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From ricnev at mac.com  Wed Jun 17 20:26:47 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:26:47 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Slow Internet 'Looking Up'
In-Reply-To: <A429AF51-A9A8-401E-B484-EDF139361EAD@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <07A9AF9E-2CBE-45CA-940D-B0E6F7E0BE43@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<F4958D51-BF22-4298-903D-42CA7A5068DE@mac.com>
	<E8B0E6B2-53C4-417F-BB97-55A249C58DA0@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<EC38B79E-AAEB-4AE3-A6F3-117BF57D6117@mac.com>
	<A429AF51-A9A8-401E-B484-EDF139361EAD@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <E7FB051C-124C-4215-9838-67FDA074F0A2@mac.com>

Is the Buffalo card hot?

Richard.

On 17 Jun 2009, at 20:18, Simon Royal wrote:

> Richard
>
> No new networks detected. No channel changes in existing networks - I
> checked with iStumbler.
>
> I'm using a Buffalo card which is detected as an Airport Extreme card
> which sits in the PCMCIA slot, so has external ariel and doesn't use
> the internal ariel around the screen.
>
> Simon
>
> On 17 Jun 2009, at 20:06, Richard Nevill wrote:
>
>> Check if someone has set up a new nearby network on the same WiFi
>> channel as you are using. Airport cards can sometimes be more
>> susceptible to crowded airways than other cards in other machines.
>>
>> Richard.
>>
>> On 17 Jun 2009, at 19:58, Simon Royal wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Yes. This has been an ongoing problem for a few days. It has been
>>> recycled a couple of times.
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>> On 17 Jun 2009, at 19:48, Richard Nevill wrote:
>>>
>>>> Have you recycled your Mac?
>>>>
>>>> On 17 Jun 2009, at 19:38, Simon Royal wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> We had severe raining in Watton a few days ago and since then my
>>>>> Mac
>>>>> has been playing up on the internet.
>>>>>
>>>>> At least 50% of pages loading fail. They sit at the 'Looking Up'
>>>>> stage
>>>>> for ages then fail.
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought it was my net connection, but my wifes laptop is fine. I
>>>>> thought it was because I had just upgraded to the latest Firefox 3
>>>>> version, but so has my wife (although here is on Windows). I just
>>>>> tried a different browser on my Mac and it did the same.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have recycled my router - but no joy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any ideas.
>>>>>
>>>>> Simon Royal
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>
>>>> Richard Nevill
>>>> ricnev at mac.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>
>>>
>>> Simon Royal
>>> ---
>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>> Richard Nevill
>> ricnev at mac.com
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com





From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Jun 17 20:43:50 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:43:50 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Slow Internet 'Looking Up'
In-Reply-To: <E7FB051C-124C-4215-9838-67FDA074F0A2@mac.com>
References: <07A9AF9E-2CBE-45CA-940D-B0E6F7E0BE43@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<F4958D51-BF22-4298-903D-42CA7A5068DE@mac.com>
	<E8B0E6B2-53C4-417F-BB97-55A249C58DA0@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<EC38B79E-AAEB-4AE3-A6F3-117BF57D6117@mac.com>
	<A429AF51-A9A8-401E-B484-EDF139361EAD@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<E7FB051C-124C-4215-9838-67FDA074F0A2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <EB7A1AA8-03B1-441E-9334-EF28F785E3B3@simonroyal.co.uk>

Richard

Nope. It has never given me any trouble (or gotten hot) in the six  
months I have used it.

Simon

On 17 Jun 2009, at 20:26, Richard Nevill wrote:

> Is the Buffalo card hot?
>
> Richard.
>
> On 17 Jun 2009, at 20:18, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> Richard
>>
>> No new networks detected. No channel changes in existing networks - I
>> checked with iStumbler.
>>
>> I'm using a Buffalo card which is detected as an Airport Extreme card
>> which sits in the PCMCIA slot, so has external ariel and doesn't use
>> the internal ariel around the screen.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> On 17 Jun 2009, at 20:06, Richard Nevill wrote:
>>
>>> Check if someone has set up a new nearby network on the same WiFi
>>> channel as you are using. Airport cards can sometimes be more
>>> susceptible to crowded airways than other cards in other machines.
>>>
>>> Richard.
>>>
>>> On 17 Jun 2009, at 19:58, Simon Royal wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> Yes. This has been an ongoing problem for a few days. It has been
>>>> recycled a couple of times.
>>>>
>>>> Simon
>>>>
>>>> On 17 Jun 2009, at 19:48, Richard Nevill wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Have you recycled your Mac?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 17 Jun 2009, at 19:38, Simon Royal wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We had severe raining in Watton a few days ago and since then my
>>>>>> Mac
>>>>>> has been playing up on the internet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At least 50% of pages loading fail. They sit at the 'Looking Up'
>>>>>> stage
>>>>>> for ages then fail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought it was my net connection, but my wifes laptop is  
>>>>>> fine. I
>>>>>> thought it was because I had just upgraded to the latest  
>>>>>> Firefox 3
>>>>>> version, but so has my wife (although here is on Windows). I just
>>>>>> tried a different browser on my Mac and it did the same.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have recycled my router - but no joy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any ideas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Simon Royal
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>>>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>>>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard Nevill
>>>>> ricnev at mac.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Simon Royal
>>>> ---
>>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>> Richard Nevill
>>> ricnev at mac.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> Richard Nevill
> ricnev at mac.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From nathan.crosby at virgin.net  Thu Jun 18 07:25:56 2009
From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:25:56 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Burger for a browser
In-Reply-To: <36B41343-6062-4073-BC9E-63F639EE4D70@gmail.com>
References: <36B41343-6062-4073-BC9E-63F639EE4D70@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <10FBFDC8-B2CC-4430-A283-77177EEE1E6D@virgin.net>


Food for thought but leaves a bad taste.

Nathan


On 17 Jun 2009, at 16:16, stefan youngs wrote:

> Am I the only one to find this tacky?
>
> http://www.browserforthebetter.com/index-htm.html#getie8:vfhordTb0QI
>
> Mars Bars for the best replies!
> _______________________________________________
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> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Jun 18 11:24:24 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:24:24 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Titanium Battery & Updates
Message-ID: <7C928E2A-B710-4500-A8D7-6337891E7B76@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

As you know I have a PowerBook G4 Titanium 867Mhz. I got it from our  
friendly second-user NMUG reseller (Joe Butler). It needed some work  
and some parts but it now runs perfectly well.

The battery has always puzzled me. When I first got it I got about 30  
minutes out if it. Not bad. Then it had a period of fluctuating from 2  
minutes to an hour depending on what it felt like.

It is running Leopard - and has been since about two days after I got  
it. It was running Tiger and the battery was just the same under that.  
However I have a bizarre or stupid question. The last few weeks, since  
the 10.5.6 and 10.5.7 updates the battery has gone up. I am now  
getting well over 90 minutes out of it.

Would the updates have anything to do with the extended battery life?  
Or is this coincidence. It has been doing 90 minute stints for weeks  
now and no sign of it getting lower (finger crossed).

According to Coconut Battery it is only at 69% of it's original  
capacity and it has always said this.

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From paul at durrant.co.uk  Thu Jun 18 11:31:42 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:31:42 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Titanium Battery & Updates
In-Reply-To: <7C928E2A-B710-4500-A8D7-6337891E7B76@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <7C928E2A-B710-4500-A8D7-6337891E7B76@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <87F2EB54-2775-4436-9317-69FEC60C3106@durrant.co.uk>

It's unlikely that the updates have had an effect, but not impossible.  
Perhaps it's just that it's now calibrated - the Mac now knows  
(through 'experience') how much power is left in the battery at any  
given time.

Paul

On 18 Jun 2009, at 11:24, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> As you know I have a PowerBook G4 Titanium 867Mhz. I got it from our
> friendly second-user NMUG reseller (Joe Butler). It needed some work
> and some parts but it now runs perfectly well.
>
> The battery has always puzzled me. When I first got it I got about 30
> minutes out if it. Not bad. Then it had a period of fluctuating from 2
> minutes to an hour depending on what it felt like.
>
> It is running Leopard - and has been since about two days after I got
> it. It was running Tiger and the battery was just the same under that.
> However I have a bizarre or stupid question. The last few weeks, since
> the 10.5.6 and 10.5.7 updates the battery has gone up. I am now
> getting well over 90 minutes out of it.
>
> Would the updates have anything to do with the extended battery life?
> Or is this coincidence. It has been doing 90 minute stints for weeks
> now and no sign of it getting lower (finger crossed).
>
> According to Coconut Battery it is only at 69% of it's original
> capacity and it has always said this.
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Jun 18 11:43:17 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:43:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Titanium Battery & Updates
In-Reply-To: <87F2EB54-2775-4436-9317-69FEC60C3106@durrant.co.uk>
References: <7C928E2A-B710-4500-A8D7-6337891E7B76@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<87F2EB54-2775-4436-9317-69FEC60C3106@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CEDD634E-29FD-4F28-A2FD-B1EEFF4CEB32@simonroyal.co.uk>

Paul

OK. So the updates may not have done anything, but why does it  
fluctuate so much?

I know they have to be calibrated, but a range of 2 minutes to 90  
minutes is pretty wide.

A laptop with a 2 minute battery life is useless. A laptop with a 90  
minutes battery life is fine. My mum bought a PC laptop a few years  
ago brand new and it only lasted an hour or so, so an 8 year old  
laptop with a battery around the same age giving 90 minutes is pretty  
good.

It has taken about 6 months for it to get this high. I was at one  
point considering getting a new battery but 90 minutes is good enough  
for me. I am sure it will start playing up again at some point, and  
eventually die, but for now it is fine.

Simon


On 18 Jun 2009, at 11:31, Paul Durrant wrote:

> It's unlikely that the updates have had an effect, but not impossible.
> Perhaps it's just that it's now calibrated - the Mac now knows
> (through 'experience') how much power is left in the battery at any
> given time.
>
> Paul
>
> On 18 Jun 2009, at 11:24, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> As you know I have a PowerBook G4 Titanium 867Mhz. I got it from our
>> friendly second-user NMUG reseller (Joe Butler). It needed some work
>> and some parts but it now runs perfectly well.
>>
>> The battery has always puzzled me. When I first got it I got about 30
>> minutes out if it. Not bad. Then it had a period of fluctuating  
>> from 2
>> minutes to an hour depending on what it felt like.
>>
>> It is running Leopard - and has been since about two days after I got
>> it. It was running Tiger and the battery was just the same under  
>> that.
>> However I have a bizarre or stupid question. The last few weeks,  
>> since
>> the 10.5.6 and 10.5.7 updates the battery has gone up. I am now
>> getting well over 90 minutes out of it.
>>
>> Would the updates have anything to do with the extended battery life?
>> Or is this coincidence. It has been doing 90 minute stints for weeks
>> now and no sign of it getting lower (finger crossed).
>>
>> According to Coconut Battery it is only at 69% of it's original
>> capacity and it has always said this.
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From lizbarnard at btinternet.com  Thu Jun 18 16:12:10 2009
From: lizbarnard at btinternet.com (Liz)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:12:10 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Titanium battery and update
Message-ID: <C66017DA.799F%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>

I am interested in Simon?s experience with his battery as something similar
has happened to my PowerBook G4 and I?m at a loss to explain it.  After a
recent software update I get a message telling me that I am running on
reserve power (49% displayed) and it promptly blacks out!  Previously it
would warn me at 21% and conk out at 1%.  This is going to be useless if I
take the laptop on the train as it only works for about 20 minutes whereas I
used to get 1.25 ? 1.50 hours.

What?s going on?

Liz


From yahooist at anyisle.com  Thu Jun 18 16:39:20 2009
From: yahooist at anyisle.com (Neil S.)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:39:20 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Titanium battery and update
In-Reply-To: <C66017DA.799F%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>
References: <C66017DA.799F%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <E9813AAD-950F-447B-B865-DA2DC98C1DBF@anyisle.com>

Hi Liz,

	Simon's obviously swapped his laptop for yours.

Simples...Tch
Neil


On 18 Jun 2009, at 16:12, Liz wrote:

> I am interested in Simon?s experience with his battery as something  
> similar
> has happened to my PowerBook G4 and I?m at a loss to explain it.   
> After a
> recent software update I get a message telling me that I am running on
> reserve power (49% displayed) and it promptly blacks out!   
> Previously it
> would warn me at 21% and conk out at 1%.  This is going to be  
> useless if I
> take the laptop on the train as it only works for about 20 minutes  
> whereas I
> used to get 1.25 ? 1.50 hours.
>
> What?s going on?
>
> Liz
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



From minkennison at mac.com  Thu Jun 18 16:47:34 2009
From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:47:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Slow Internet 'Looking Up'
In-Reply-To: <07A9AF9E-2CBE-45CA-940D-B0E6F7E0BE43@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <07A9AF9E-2CBE-45CA-940D-B0E6F7E0BE43@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <80FBFC2D-4041-4E44-A413-233763DD8D0C@mac.com>

Hi Simon

Since downloading Safari 4 we have had the same problem here in  
Wicklewood - which is the same telephone exchange as Watton.   
Hopefully 5.4.1. may address the problem. We shall see.

Min
On 17 Jun 2009, at 19:3817 Jun 2009, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> We had severe raining in Watton a few days ago and since then my Mac
> has been playing up on the internet.
>
> At least 50% of pages loading fail. They sit at the 'Looking Up' stage
> for ages then fail.
>
> I thought it was my net connection, but my wifes laptop is fine. I
> thought it was because I had just upgraded to the latest Firefox 3
> version, but so has my wife (although here is on Windows). I just
> tried a different browser on my Mac and it did the same.
>
> I have recycled my router - but no joy.
>
> Any ideas.
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Jun 18 17:26:26 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:26:26 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Slow Internet 'Looking Up'
In-Reply-To: <80FBFC2D-4041-4E44-A413-233763DD8D0C@mac.com>
References: <07A9AF9E-2CBE-45CA-940D-B0E6F7E0BE43@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<80FBFC2D-4041-4E44-A413-233763DD8D0C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <627D2B9D-A164-47B6-AAA7-66CFFB80EE6E@simonroyal.co.uk>

Min

When did you download it. As we are on the same exchange it would be  
interesting to know.

Maybe it is a problem there.

Simon

On 18 Jun 2009, at 16:47, Min Kennison wrote:

> Hi Simon
>
> Since downloading Safari 4 we have had the same problem here in
> Wicklewood - which is the same telephone exchange as Watton.
> Hopefully 5.4.1. may address the problem. We shall see.
>
> Min
> On 17 Jun 2009, at 19:3817 Jun 2009, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> We had severe raining in Watton a few days ago and since then my Mac
>> has been playing up on the internet.
>>
>> At least 50% of pages loading fail. They sit at the 'Looking Up'  
>> stage
>> for ages then fail.
>>
>> I thought it was my net connection, but my wifes laptop is fine. I
>> thought it was because I had just upgraded to the latest Firefox 3
>> version, but so has my wife (although here is on Windows). I just
>> tried a different browser on my Mac and it did the same.
>>
>> I have recycled my router - but no joy.
>>
>> Any ideas.
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Jun 18 21:51:53 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:51:53 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New Drive Questions
Message-ID: <80AA19C4-F44A-4F0D-B022-BAA01E62CA7B@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

About a week ago I transferred my backup drive to a new one. I had to  
do this on a Windows XP machine as it had USB 2.0 ports.

Original IDE drive in USB 2.0 enclosure, formatted to HFS+. New SATA  
drive connected via SATA to USB 2.0 cable, formatted to NTFS. I  
transferred about 40,000 files across and it went well - only took  
about 4 hours to move 100GB.

Tonight I hooked the new SATA drive up to my PowerBook via the SATA to  
USB 2.0 cable. This is the first time I have used it on my Mac.

It was slow to pop up on the desktop. It is slow to navigate round. It  
is slow to copy to.

Is this just the fact it is connected via USB 1.1? Is it Spotlight, if  
so how do I stop it? Is there something up with the drive?

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From paul at durrant.co.uk  Thu Jun 18 22:08:12 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 22:08:12 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New Drive Questions
In-Reply-To: <80AA19C4-F44A-4F0D-B022-BAA01E62CA7B@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <80AA19C4-F44A-4F0D-B022-BAA01E62CA7B@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <29D83B4F-0F19-4439-A0A8-D716ACEBE4D2@durrant.co.uk>

It's probably the USB 1.1. You can stop spotlight indexing the drive  
in the System Preferences - the privacy option let's you tell  
spotlight not to index the external drive.

Paul


On 18 Jun 2009, at 21:51, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> About a week ago I transferred my backup drive to a new one. I had to
> do this on a Windows XP machine as it had USB 2.0 ports.
>
> Original IDE drive in USB 2.0 enclosure, formatted to HFS+. New SATA
> drive connected via SATA to USB 2.0 cable, formatted to NTFS. I
> transferred about 40,000 files across and it went well - only took
> about 4 hours to move 100GB.
>
> Tonight I hooked the new SATA drive up to my PowerBook via the SATA to
> USB 2.0 cable. This is the first time I have used it on my Mac.
>
> It was slow to pop up on the desktop. It is slow to navigate round. It
> is slow to copy to.
>
> Is this just the fact it is connected via USB 1.1? Is it Spotlight, if
> so how do I stop it? Is there something up with the drive?
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Fri Jun 19 00:39:23 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 00:39:23 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Slow Internet 'Looking Up'
In-Reply-To: <80FBFC2D-4041-4E44-A413-233763DD8D0C@mac.com>
References: <07A9AF9E-2CBE-45CA-940D-B0E6F7E0BE43@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<80FBFC2D-4041-4E44-A413-233763DD8D0C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4A3AD02B.6070702@stackyard.org>

No, Min.  You're on the Wymondham exchange if you're in Wicklewood and 
Simon is on the Watton exchange.  If the connection is live at all, i.e. 
your machine has a route to the Internet, then this sort of problem will 
PROBABLY be caused by a problem with the Internet Providers' network.  
If it's a lookup failure, it will be some sort of problem between the 
DNS querying libraries on your machine and the ISP's DNS server - a long 
chain.  But in Simon's case, it was localised to a machine (another 
machine was OK) so it was probably a connection issue between router and 
machine.  It sounds like Simon's router was reluctant to provide name 
querying to Simon's machine.  It's possible that the whole network 
connection was down but without trying pings to e.g. 209.85.229.99 (one 
of the Google web servers), it's difficult to tell.  Lack of name lookup 
can look like a failed network connection.

Min Kennison wrote:
> Hi Simon
>
> Since downloading Safari 4 we have had the same problem here in  
> Wicklewood - which is the same telephone exchange as Watton.   
> Hopefully 5.4.1. may address the problem. We shall see.
>
> Min
> On 17 Jun 2009, at 19:3817 Jun 2009, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>   
>> Hi
>>
>> We had severe raining in Watton a few days ago and since then my Mac
>> has been playing up on the internet.
>>
>> At least 50% of pages loading fail. They sit at the 'Looking Up' stage
>> for ages then fail.
>>
>> I thought it was my net connection, but my wifes laptop is fine. I
>> thought it was because I had just upgraded to the latest Firefox 3
>> version, but so has my wife (although here is on Windows). I just
>> tried a different browser on my Mac and it did the same.
>>
>> I have recycled my router - but no joy.
>>
>> Any ideas.
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk  Fri Jun 19 10:57:42 2009
From: david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk (David Reynolds)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:57:42 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Laptop case for sale
Message-ID: <3B89C627-F498-44A9-93C0-7E17ABC64120@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>

Hi,

I have a laptop case that I am looking to sell, I don't really want a  
lot for it, around ?25.  Would anyone be interested?

It was originally bought to fit a Powerbook G4 17" but  it would  
probably be ideal for a Macbook Pro 17" too.  It has a detachable  
sleeve that surrounds the laptop and then a normal bag with shoulder  
strap, carrying handles and lots of pockets.

There are a couple of pictures here: http://david.reynoldsfamily.org.uk/laptop_case/

It is a Brenthaven case and in very good condition, but is sadly too  
big for my needs.

Cheers,

David

-- 
David Reynolds
david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk







From lizbarnard at btinternet.com  Fri Jun 19 12:38:04 2009
From: lizbarnard at btinternet.com (Liz)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:38:04 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Titanium battery and update
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1245409201.37373.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C661372C.79BC%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>

Ha ha!

> Hi Liz,
> 
> Simon's obviously swapped his laptop for yours.
> 
> Simples...Tch
> Neil
> 




From minkennison at mac.com  Fri Jun 19 15:53:50 2009
From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:53:50 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Slow Internet 'Looking Up'
In-Reply-To: <627D2B9D-A164-47B6-AAA7-66CFFB80EE6E@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <07A9AF9E-2CBE-45CA-940D-B0E6F7E0BE43@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<80FBFC2D-4041-4E44-A413-233763DD8D0C@mac.com>
	<627D2B9D-A164-47B6-AAA7-66CFFB80EE6E@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <E98628A1-E4F5-4D0E-8A9F-AC84F53C54A8@mac.com>

I downloaded the day it came on Software update last week
MIn

On 18 Jun 2009, at 17:2618 Jun 2009, Simon Royal wrote:

> Min
>
> When did you download it. As we are on the same exchange it would be
> interesting to know.
>
> Maybe it is a problem there.
>
> Simon
>
> On 18 Jun 2009, at 16:47, Min Kennison wrote:
>
>> Hi Simon
>>
>> Since downloading Safari 4 we have had the same problem here in
>> Wicklewood - which is the same telephone exchange as Watton.
>> Hopefully 5.4.1. may address the problem. We shall see.
>>
>> Min
>> On 17 Jun 2009, at 19:3817 Jun 2009, Simon Royal wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> We had severe raining in Watton a few days ago and since then my Mac
>>> has been playing up on the internet.
>>>
>>> At least 50% of pages loading fail. They sit at the 'Looking Up'
>>> stage
>>> for ages then fail.
>>>
>>> I thought it was my net connection, but my wifes laptop is fine. I
>>> thought it was because I had just upgraded to the latest Firefox 3
>>> version, but so has my wife (although here is on Windows). I just
>>> tried a different browser on my Mac and it did the same.
>>>
>>> I have recycled my router - but no joy.
>>>
>>> Any ideas.
>>>
>>> Simon Royal
>>> ---
>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From minkennison at mac.com  Fri Jun 19 15:55:26 2009
From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:55:26 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Slow Internet 'Looking Up'
In-Reply-To: <4A3AD02B.6070702@stackyard.org>
References: <07A9AF9E-2CBE-45CA-940D-B0E6F7E0BE43@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<80FBFC2D-4041-4E44-A413-233763DD8D0C@mac.com>
	<4A3AD02B.6070702@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <27194C77-8307-4537-98C5-E72EAED4EF1A@mac.com>

Thanks Ken - it was just an idea as we are both 01953

On 19 Jun 2009, at 00:3919 Jun 2009, Ken Hamer wrote:

> No, Min.  You're on the Wymondham exchange if you're in Wicklewood and
> Simon is on the Watton exchange.  If the connection is live at all,  
> i.e.
> your machine has a route to the Internet, then this sort of problem  
> will
> PROBABLY be caused by a problem with the Internet Providers' network.
> If it's a lookup failure, it will be some sort of problem between the
> DNS querying libraries on your machine and the ISP's DNS server - a  
> long
> chain.  But in Simon's case, it was localised to a machine (another
> machine was OK) so it was probably a connection issue between router  
> and
> machine.  It sounds like Simon's router was reluctant to provide name
> querying to Simon's machine.  It's possible that the whole network
> connection was down but without trying pings to e.g. 209.85.229.99  
> (one
> of the Google web servers), it's difficult to tell.  Lack of name  
> lookup
> can look like a failed network connection.
>
> Min Kennison wrote:
>> Hi Simon
>>
>> Since downloading Safari 4 we have had the same problem here in
>> Wicklewood - which is the same telephone exchange as Watton.
>> Hopefully 5.4.1. may address the problem. We shall see.
>>
>> Min
>> On 17 Jun 2009, at 19:3817 Jun 2009, Simon Royal wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> We had severe raining in Watton a few days ago and since then my Mac
>>> has been playing up on the internet.
>>>
>>> At least 50% of pages loading fail. They sit at the 'Looking Up'  
>>> stage
>>> for ages then fail.
>>>
>>> I thought it was my net connection, but my wifes laptop is fine. I
>>> thought it was because I had just upgraded to the latest Firefox 3
>>> version, but so has my wife (although here is on Windows). I just
>>> tried a different browser on my Mac and it did the same.
>>>
>>> I have recycled my router - but no joy.
>>>
>>> Any ideas.
>>>
>>> Simon Royal
>>> ---
>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat Jun 20 15:16:57 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:16:57 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Slow Internet 'Looking Up'
In-Reply-To: <27194C77-8307-4537-98C5-E72EAED4EF1A@mac.com>
References: <07A9AF9E-2CBE-45CA-940D-B0E6F7E0BE43@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<80FBFC2D-4041-4E44-A413-233763DD8D0C@mac.com>
	<4A3AD02B.6070702@stackyard.org>
	<27194C77-8307-4537-98C5-E72EAED4EF1A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <9C5D40E8-AC58-49AC-8A14-14D93604139D@simonroyal.co.uk>

Min

I think the problems were due to the weather earlier in the week.  
Things seem to be back to normal now.

Simon

On 19 Jun 2009, at 15:55, Min Kennison wrote:

> Thanks Ken - it was just an idea as we are both 01953
>
> On 19 Jun 2009, at 00:3919 Jun 2009, Ken Hamer wrote:
>
>> No, Min.  You're on the Wymondham exchange if you're in Wicklewood  
>> and
>> Simon is on the Watton exchange.  If the connection is live at all,
>> i.e.
>> your machine has a route to the Internet, then this sort of problem
>> will
>> PROBABLY be caused by a problem with the Internet Providers' network.
>> If it's a lookup failure, it will be some sort of problem between the
>> DNS querying libraries on your machine and the ISP's DNS server - a
>> long
>> chain.  But in Simon's case, it was localised to a machine (another
>> machine was OK) so it was probably a connection issue between router
>> and
>> machine.  It sounds like Simon's router was reluctant to provide name
>> querying to Simon's machine.  It's possible that the whole network
>> connection was down but without trying pings to e.g. 209.85.229.99
>> (one
>> of the Google web servers), it's difficult to tell.  Lack of name
>> lookup
>> can look like a failed network connection.
>>
>> Min Kennison wrote:
>>> Hi Simon
>>>
>>> Since downloading Safari 4 we have had the same problem here in
>>> Wicklewood - which is the same telephone exchange as Watton.
>>> Hopefully 5.4.1. may address the problem. We shall see.
>>>
>>> Min
>>> On 17 Jun 2009, at 19:3817 Jun 2009, Simon Royal wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> We had severe raining in Watton a few days ago and since then my  
>>>> Mac
>>>> has been playing up on the internet.
>>>>
>>>> At least 50% of pages loading fail. They sit at the 'Looking Up'
>>>> stage
>>>> for ages then fail.
>>>>
>>>> I thought it was my net connection, but my wifes laptop is fine. I
>>>> thought it was because I had just upgraded to the latest Firefox 3
>>>> version, but so has my wife (although here is on Windows). I just
>>>> tried a different browser on my Mac and it did the same.
>>>>
>>>> I have recycled my router - but no joy.
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas.
>>>>
>>>> Simon Royal
>>>> ---
>>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat Jun 20 15:26:44 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:26:44 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Change Hard Drive Icon
Message-ID: <81BE956C-617A-4E01-A6B4-B1638AF36E29@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I had a program called CandyBar which could change all your OSX icons  
for different sets. I don't have it anymore.

I am sure you used to be able to copy and paste individual icons. I  
want to change the icon of my hard drive but can't seem to do it.

I have a new .ico file of a TiBook.

Any ideas?

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From minkennison at mac.com  Sat Jun 20 15:31:47 2009
From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:31:47 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Slow Internet 'Looking Up'
In-Reply-To: <9C5D40E8-AC58-49AC-8A14-14D93604139D@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <07A9AF9E-2CBE-45CA-940D-B0E6F7E0BE43@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<80FBFC2D-4041-4E44-A413-233763DD8D0C@mac.com>
	<4A3AD02B.6070702@stackyard.org>
	<27194C77-8307-4537-98C5-E72EAED4EF1A@mac.com>
	<9C5D40E8-AC58-49AC-8A14-14D93604139D@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <662A16E1-B756-4DA5-B4F3-22DB185C0F44@mac.com>

Glad of that Simon and so is mine.
Min
On 20 Jun 2009, at 15:1620 Jun 2009, Simon Royal wrote:

> Min
>
> I think the problems were due to the weather earlier in the week.
> Things seem to be back to normal now.
>
> Simon
>
> On 19 Jun 2009, at 15:55, Min Kennison wrote:
>
>> Thanks Ken - it was just an idea as we are both 01953
>>
>> On 19 Jun 2009, at 00:3919 Jun 2009, Ken Hamer wrote:
>>
>>> No, Min.  You're on the Wymondham exchange if you're in Wicklewood
>>> and
>>> Simon is on the Watton exchange.  If the connection is live at all,
>>> i.e.
>>> your machine has a route to the Internet, then this sort of problem
>>> will
>>> PROBABLY be caused by a problem with the Internet Providers'  
>>> network.
>>> If it's a lookup failure, it will be some sort of problem between  
>>> the
>>> DNS querying libraries on your machine and the ISP's DNS server - a
>>> long
>>> chain.  But in Simon's case, it was localised to a machine (another
>>> machine was OK) so it was probably a connection issue between router
>>> and
>>> machine.  It sounds like Simon's router was reluctant to provide  
>>> name
>>> querying to Simon's machine.  It's possible that the whole network
>>> connection was down but without trying pings to e.g. 209.85.229.99
>>> (one
>>> of the Google web servers), it's difficult to tell.  Lack of name
>>> lookup
>>> can look like a failed network connection.
>>>
>>> Min Kennison wrote:
>>>> Hi Simon
>>>>
>>>> Since downloading Safari 4 we have had the same problem here in
>>>> Wicklewood - which is the same telephone exchange as Watton.
>>>> Hopefully 5.4.1. may address the problem. We shall see.
>>>>
>>>> Min
>>>> On 17 Jun 2009, at 19:3817 Jun 2009, Simon Royal wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> We had severe raining in Watton a few days ago and since then my
>>>>> Mac
>>>>> has been playing up on the internet.
>>>>>
>>>>> At least 50% of pages loading fail. They sit at the 'Looking Up'
>>>>> stage
>>>>> for ages then fail.
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought it was my net connection, but my wifes laptop is fine. I
>>>>> thought it was because I had just upgraded to the latest Firefox 3
>>>>> version, but so has my wife (although here is on Windows). I just
>>>>> tried a different browser on my Mac and it did the same.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have recycled my router - but no joy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any ideas.
>>>>>
>>>>> Simon Royal
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat Jun 20 15:32:20 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:32:20 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Deleting Partition
Message-ID: <313BFC36-76CA-4569-A6C3-8BA127D4F13A@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I have three partitions on my PowerBook, one for Leopard, one for  
Tiger and one for OS9.

I created these while having the PowerBook connected via Target mode  
to another mac and ran iPartition. It was non destructive.

However, I am now down to one Mac in my house (yes I know, sad isn't  
it). I have decided to remove the other partitions and just have one  
80GB hard drive all to Leopard, is there a way of non-destructively  
doing it?

If I had another Mac I could clone it to another drive, wipe the  
PowerBook, select one partition and clone it back. Or I could resize  
the partitions in target mode. But I don't.

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From june.perrett at mac.com  Sat Jun 20 22:12:55 2009
From: june.perrett at mac.com (June Perrett)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:12:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Problem when burning songs to CD
Message-ID: <F50BD342-77DA-4362-B323-73A551C5988C@mac.com>

I wonder if anyone has had this problem?

I like to make copies of legally purchased CDs to play in the car and  
keep the originals at home.

Sometimes when I burn a list of songs onto a blank CD my iMac re- 
arranges the tunes in a different order (not in the reverse order).  
The computer has iLife '08 and iTunes installed.

Is there a way to stop this?

I've tried: (a) ticking the all the songs, (b) ticking and  
highlighting (c) highlighting without the ticks before burning to CD.

I'd be grateful for any suggestions.

June






From allanmacam at me.com  Sat Jun 20 22:16:40 2009
From: allanmacam at me.com (Allan)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 22:16:40 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Problem when burning songs to CD
In-Reply-To: <F50BD342-77DA-4362-B323-73A551C5988C@mac.com>
References: <F50BD342-77DA-4362-B323-73A551C5988C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1620096D-F844-4584-BD27-566705D0CFB1@me.com>

Have you tried this:

Select the Album you want to burn, go to iTunes MenuBar/View/View  
Options and checking Track Number

Allan Johns.


On 20 Jun 2009, at 22:12, June Perrett wrote:

> I wonder if anyone has had this problem?
>
> I like to make copies of legally purchased CDs to play in the car and
> keep the originals at home.
>
> Sometimes when I burn a list of songs onto a blank CD my iMac re-
> arranges the tunes in a different order (not in the reverse order).
> The computer has iLife '08 and iTunes installed.
>
> Is there a way to stop this?
>
> I've tried: (a) ticking the all the songs, (b) ticking and
> highlighting (c) highlighting without the ticks before burning to CD.
>
> I'd be grateful for any suggestions.
>
> June
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From alanbarber at mac.com  Sun Jun 21 09:00:40 2009
From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 09:00:40 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] map printing
Message-ID: <018119EC-6CB6-4A80-830F-E4552CEAB0B9@mac.com>

Next sunday is our opens Gardens day in Thorpe Hamlet.
Email me off group for more details.

But does anyone know of a site where I can print a map of the area
that is Mac compatible, clear and customizable.

The obvious ones such as Google multimap etc go fuzzy if I try to  
print larger.
Happy to pay a small fee to get the a good clear map if necessary.

Regards

Alan
		



From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Sun Jun 21 09:47:38 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 09:47:38 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] June meeting
Message-ID: <EDE9B61B-DF4A-4442-8E7C-A21CA90A7E99@virgin.net>

The next meeting will be on the 24th June 2009 that being the fourth
Wednesday of the month. It will be held at The Quebec in a separate
room from the bar and will be from 7.30.

With a bit of luck they might have wifi up and running now!

Quebec
93-97 Quebec Road
Norwich
NR1 4HY

Here is a link to a map.

<http://www.ukpubfinder.com/pub/21675>

Hope to see you all there.

Paul C


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sun Jun 21 09:52:18 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 09:52:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] map printing
In-Reply-To: <018119EC-6CB6-4A80-830F-E4552CEAB0B9@mac.com>
References: <018119EC-6CB6-4A80-830F-E4552CEAB0B9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <135D272E-C264-4007-9CF9-0FBCF314DD62@durrant.co.uk>

http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/getamap/

Seems to be down at the moment, but it looks like it might give you  
what you want.

Paul

On 21 Jun 2009, at 09:00, Alan Barber wrote:

> Next sunday is our opens Gardens day in Thorpe Hamlet.
> Email me off group for more details.
>
> But does anyone know of a site where I can print a map of the area
> that is Mac compatible, clear and customizable.
>
> The obvious ones such as Google multimap etc go fuzzy if I try to
> print larger.
> Happy to pay a small fee to get the a good clear map if necessary.
>


From ricnev at mac.com  Sun Jun 21 10:05:22 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:05:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] June meeting
In-Reply-To: <EDE9B61B-DF4A-4442-8E7C-A21CA90A7E99@virgin.net>
References: <EDE9B61B-DF4A-4442-8E7C-A21CA90A7E99@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <0D50E8F6-FB09-4D20-92C1-2AAB71691CA6@mac.com>


On 21 Jun 2009, at 09:47, Paul Chapman wrote:

> With a bit of luck they [The Quebec] might have wifi up and running  
> now!


I suspect that if none of us have done anything about it, it will be  
status quo.

A job for us on Wednesday, methinks!

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com





From amlucas2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Jun 21 10:50:25 2009
From: amlucas2003 at yahoo.co.uk (Arthur Lucas)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 10:50:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Spotlight indexing
Message-ID: <p06240800c663b1f52d77@[192.168.1.65]>

I have migrated files to a new iMac, and all updates have been 
applied, but Spotlight has clearly not indexed all files and it is 
not showing that an index is in progress (no dot in middle of 
magnifying glass icon).
What to do to get the indexing done?
-- 
Prof A M Lucas AO CBE
16 Downham Crescent
Wymondham NR18 0SF
01953 602214



From ricnev at mac.com  Sun Jun 21 12:20:24 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:20:24 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Spotlight indexing
In-Reply-To: <p06240800c663b1f52d77@[192.168.1.65]>
References: <p06240800c663b1f52d77@[192.168.1.65]>
Message-ID: <EF4815D3-CB01-477F-8E39-7C0C499756DB@mac.com>

This might help:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2409?viewlocale=en_US

Richard.


On 21 Jun 2009, at 10:50, Arthur Lucas wrote:

> I have migrated files to a new iMac, and all updates have been
> applied, but Spotlight has clearly not indexed all files and it is
> not showing that an index is in progress (no dot in middle of
> magnifying glass icon).
> What to do to get the indexing done?
> -- 
> Prof A M Lucas AO CBE
> 16 Downham Crescent
> Wymondham NR18 0SF
> 01953 602214
>
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Jun 21 21:50:12 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:50:12 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Power Macintosh 5500 'Directors Edition'
Message-ID: <17C0319D-A072-4985-9410-2E39C5038EDC@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

Someone is giving away a Power Macintosh 5500 black 'Directors  
Edition' on Freecycle Breckland.

Black ones are rare USA and Australasia models, and I was very very  
tempted myself.

Simon Royal
---
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From minkennison at mac.com  Sun Jun 21 23:20:46 2009
From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 23:20:46 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] map printing
In-Reply-To: <018119EC-6CB6-4A80-830F-E4552CEAB0B9@mac.com>
References: <018119EC-6CB6-4A80-830F-E4552CEAB0B9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BC8FDBF6-B460-4531-A3AC-D84B7550C189@mac.com>

Hi alan - I like the viamichelin site for maps or streetmap
Min
On 21 Jun 2009, at 09:0021 Jun 2009, Alan Barber wrote:

> Next sunday is our opens Gardens day in Thorpe Hamlet.
> Email me off group for more details.
>
> But does anyone know of a site where I can print a map of the area
> that is Mac compatible, clear and customizable.
>
> The obvious ones such as Google multimap etc go fuzzy if I try to
> print larger.
> Happy to pay a small fee to get the a good clear map if necessary.
>
> Regards
>
> Alan
> 		
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Jun 22 13:04:22 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:04:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] White Macbook available for loan?
Message-ID: <CC365A93-7B6A-485F-8782-C6C604749C05@durrant.co.uk>

My MacBook's fan needs replacing. It's under AppleCare, so the cost of  
the replacement isn't an issue, but the time a repair will take is a  
problem.

It's a bit of a long-shot, but does anyone have a white MacBook they  
could loan me for a couple of weeks?

If not, I guess I'll have to get a new machine, and sell the old one  
when it comes back from repair.

Thanks,

Paul



From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com  Mon Jun 22 13:07:29 2009
From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:07:29 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] White Macbook available for loan?
In-Reply-To: <CC365A93-7B6A-485F-8782-C6C604749C05@durrant.co.uk>
References: <CC365A93-7B6A-485F-8782-C6C604749C05@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <640CC5D3-73C6-4EA3-8870-A47480606ED6@ruthmurray.f2s.com>

Paul

You are welcome to borrow mine.

And I'm only up the road from you.

It only has a 80 GB Hard drive though.

Ruth


On 22 Jun 2009, at 13:04, Paul Durrant wrote:

> My MacBook's fan needs replacing. It's under AppleCare, so the cost of
> the replacement isn't an issue, but the time a repair will take is a
> problem.
>
> It's a bit of a long-shot, but does anyone have a white MacBook they
> could loan me for a couple of weeks?
>
> If not, I guess I'll have to get a new machine, and sell the old one
> when it comes back from repair.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Ruth Murray
ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com

Ruth Murray
Graphic Design and Illustration
01603 632334

Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net






From fowler.j at me.com  Mon Jun 22 13:12:09 2009
From: fowler.j at me.com (Jon Fowler)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:12:09 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] White Macbook available for loan?
In-Reply-To: <CC365A93-7B6A-485F-8782-C6C604749C05@durrant.co.uk>
References: <CC365A93-7B6A-485F-8782-C6C604749C05@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ADE4903D-8CBD-4628-BB11-34EE1BB69A3C@me.com>

I have some clearance machines available if you did want to purchase  
one. For an NMUG member, I will install iLife and iWork 09 free of  
charge on it too.

Jon
Apple Solutions Consultant
PCW Norwich

Sent from my iPhone

On 22 Jun 2009, at 13:04, Paul Durrant <paul at durrant.co.uk> wrote:

> My MacBook's fan needs replacing. It's under AppleCare, so the cost of
> the replacement isn't an issue, but the time a repair will take is a
> problem.
>
> It's a bit of a long-shot, but does anyone have a white MacBook they
> could loan me for a couple of weeks?
>
> If not, I guess I'll have to get a new machine, and sell the old one
> when it comes back from repair.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Paul
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Jun 22 13:14:03 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:14:03 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] White Macbook available for loan?
In-Reply-To: <ADE4903D-8CBD-4628-BB11-34EE1BB69A3C@me.com>
References: <CC365A93-7B6A-485F-8782-C6C604749C05@durrant.co.uk>
	<ADE4903D-8CBD-4628-BB11-34EE1BB69A3C@me.com>
Message-ID: <7FB591EB-3E33-4EC2-BF4B-C5F27A8E4F5C@simonroyal.co.uk>

Jon

What sort of price are we talking for clearance models.

Simon

On 22 Jun 2009, at 13:12, Jon Fowler wrote:

> I have some clearance machines available if you did want to purchase
> one. For an NMUG member, I will install iLife and iWork 09 free of
> charge on it too.
>
> Jon
> Apple Solutions Consultant
> PCW Norwich
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 22 Jun 2009, at 13:04, Paul Durrant <paul at durrant.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> My MacBook's fan needs replacing. It's under AppleCare, so the cost  
>> of
>> the replacement isn't an issue, but the time a repair will take is a
>> problem.
>>
>> It's a bit of a long-shot, but does anyone have a white MacBook they
>> could loan me for a couple of weeks?
>>
>> If not, I guess I'll have to get a new machine, and sell the old one
>> when it comes back from repair.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From fowler.j at me.com  Mon Jun 22 14:00:04 2009
From: fowler.j at me.com (Jon Fowler)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:00:04 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] White Macbook available for loan?
In-Reply-To: <7FB591EB-3E33-4EC2-BF4B-C5F27A8E4F5C@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <CC365A93-7B6A-485F-8782-C6C604749C05@durrant.co.uk>
	<ADE4903D-8CBD-4628-BB11-34EE1BB69A3C@me.com>
	<7FB591EB-3E33-4EC2-BF4B-C5F27A8E4F5C@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <F2900354-3E07-4E84-ACF0-48A9FFDFE5ED@me.com>

Various, from about ?580 I believe. Drpendant on the spec you require.

Jon

Sent from my iPhone

On 22 Jun 2009, at 13:14, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:

> Jon
>
> What sort of price are we talking for clearance models.
>
> Simon
>
> On 22 Jun 2009, at 13:12, Jon Fowler wrote:
>
>> I have some clearance machines available if you did want to purchase
>> one. For an NMUG member, I will install iLife and iWork 09 free of
>> charge on it too.
>>
>> Jon
>> Apple Solutions Consultant
>> PCW Norwich
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 22 Jun 2009, at 13:04, Paul Durrant <paul at durrant.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> My MacBook's fan needs replacing. It's under AppleCare, so the cost
>>> of
>>> the replacement isn't an issue, but the time a repair will take is a
>>> problem.
>>>
>>> It's a bit of a long-shot, but does anyone have a white MacBook they
>>> could loan me for a couple of weeks?
>>>
>>> If not, I guess I'll have to get a new machine, and sell the old one
>>> when it comes back from repair.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


From amlucas2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jun 22 14:07:05 2009
From: amlucas2003 at yahoo.co.uk (Arthur Lucas)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:07:05 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] spotlight indexing
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1245668402.97359.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1.1245668402.97359.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <p06240800c66531caae61@[192.168.1.66]>

Thanks. I was surprised how quickly the complete hard disc was re-indexed.
Arthur

>From: Richard Nevill <ricnev at mac.com>
>Subject: Re: [NMUG] Spotlight indexing
>
>This might help:
>
>http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2409?viewlocale=en_US
>
>Richard.
>

-- 


From rob at atvetsystems.com  Mon Jun 22 14:20:20 2009
From: rob at atvetsystems.com (Robert Tillyard)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 14:20:20 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] map printing
In-Reply-To: <018119EC-6CB6-4A80-830F-E4552CEAB0B9@mac.com>
References: <018119EC-6CB6-4A80-830F-E4552CEAB0B9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F84F4733-62F2-486F-BF6A-37386FF72B24@atvetsystems.com>

www.openstreetmap.org

Regards, Rob.

On 21 Jun 2009, at 09:00, Alan Barber wrote:

> Next sunday is our opens Gardens day in Thorpe Hamlet.
> Email me off group for more details.
>
> But does anyone know of a site where I can print a map of the area
> that is Mac compatible, clear and customizable.
>
> The obvious ones such as Google multimap etc go fuzzy if I try to
> print larger.
> Happy to pay a small fee to get the a good clear map if necessary.
>
> Regards
>
> Alan
>


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Jun 22 21:15:51 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:15:51 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhone 2G & 3.0
Message-ID: <CDF1592F-7B54-4C3D-8144-90E93A434326@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

Is anyone running the new 3.0 software on an original 2G iPhone?  
Secondly, is anyone running the jailbroken 3.0 software? How does the  
new software run on the first generation iPhones?

The new software has added some of the features that has stopped me  
getting on in the past, so now I am considering it again. As I live in  
a non-3G area it seems pointless going for a 3G model. I was hoping  
the release of the new 3GS version would slump the price of the  
original model a bit further towards my range.

I would use it with my current Virgin contract, so would jailbreak it.  
One thing that is bothering me though, is a few weeks ago when I was  
enquiring about iPhones, someone mentioned that the iPhone constantly  
uses a data connection. I don't have an unlimited data plan and  
therefore wondered if this is true and if so can it be disabled.

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From karl.hortt at btinternet.com  Tue Jun 23 07:33:39 2009
From: karl.hortt at btinternet.com (karl hortt)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:33:39 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhone 2G & 3.0
In-Reply-To: <CDF1592F-7B54-4C3D-8144-90E93A434326@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <CDF1592F-7B54-4C3D-8144-90E93A434326@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DB7319F5-8BA0-4D32-8611-3F2E7F92E217@btinternet.com>



Hi Simon,

I have the 3g and have upgraded to the 3.00 software,

I have found the spotlight feature very useful

being able to send the same text to more than one person is good as is  
being able to attach photos etc

I still have not been able to create more folders in Mail to store  
emails


does anyone know how to do it ?

One of the great delights re the iphone is the data link

the weather, gps linking to maps, email and internet are the really  
fun things on the iphone

important for me also is the updating of my contacts and cal thru  
mobileme

these all use a constant data link to get their information

without these, what have you got ? a phone !!!

you can turn off the data roaming, but what would be the point ?

when you are in a WIFI area, then you can get these features above  
thru that system and you would not have any charges


I love Apple products and have owned many different types over the years

But, the clear winner and the one device ( at the moment ) I would now  
be truly lost without is my Iphone !!!

I also run a business dealing mainly in Apple computers, ( 12 x  
Xservers, 6 x raid systems and 6 x 24 inch Intel Imac's coming in  
today !! ) Anyone interested ?

regards

Karl


On 22 Jun 2009, at 21:15, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> Is anyone running the new 3.0 software on an original 2G iPhone?
> Secondly, is anyone running the jailbroken 3.0 software? How does the
> new software run on the first generation iPhones?
>
> The new software has added some of the features that has stopped me
> getting on in the past, so now I am considering it again. As I live in
> a non-3G area it seems pointless going for a 3G model. I was hoping
> the release of the new 3GS version would slump the price of the
> original model a bit further towards my range.
>
> I would use it with my current Virgin contract, so would jailbreak it.
> One thing that is bothering me though, is a few weeks ago when I was
> enquiring about iPhones, someone mentioned that the iPhone constantly
> uses a data connection. I don't have an unlimited data plan and
> therefore wondered if this is true and if so can it be disabled.
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From alanbarber at mac.com  Tue Jun 23 08:18:49 2009
From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:18:49 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] printing maps
Message-ID: <50BA0A59-5F00-4468-BBD2-A26854E20FCD@mac.com>

Thanks to those wo sent ideas for printing maps.
I discovered that when you click on print,  the printer window gives  
the option to save as a pdf in iphoto.
 From there I was able to crop, highlight, change to b+w and get just  
what I wanted.

Regards

Alan
		



From munkt0n at gmail.com  Tue Jun 23 10:21:36 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:21:36 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhone 2G & 3.0
In-Reply-To: <CDF1592F-7B54-4C3D-8144-90E93A434326@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <CDF1592F-7B54-4C3D-8144-90E93A434326@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0906230221m734fbe45md28fdb9bf8399aa8@mail.gmail.com>

there's a handy compatibility chart here - http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3630

> someone mentioned that the iPhone constantly uses a data connection.

nonsense, if you set everything to manually update then it will only
use a data connection when you tell it to.


On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Simon Royal<mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Is anyone running the new 3.0 software on an original 2G iPhone?
> Secondly, is anyone running the jailbroken 3.0 software? How does the
> new software run on the first generation iPhones?
>
> The new software has added some of the features that has stopped me
> getting on in the past, so now I am considering it again. As I live in
> a non-3G area it seems pointless going for a 3G model. I was hoping
> the release of the new 3GS version would slump the price of the
> original model a bit further towards my range.
>
> I would use it with my current Virgin contract, so would jailbreak it.
> One thing that is bothering me though, is a few weeks ago when I was
> enquiring about iPhones, someone mentioned that the iPhone constantly
> uses a data connection. I don't have an unlimited data plan and
> therefore wondered if this is true and if so can it be disabled.
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



-- 
:wq


From karl.hortt at btinternet.com  Tue Jun 23 10:33:43 2009
From: karl.hortt at btinternet.com (Karl hortt)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:33:43 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhone 2G & 3.0
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0906230221m734fbe45md28fdb9bf8399aa8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CDF1592F-7B54-4C3D-8144-90E93A434326@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906230221m734fbe45md28fdb9bf8399aa8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BCE6EA88-830F-4256-951C-083F5B4613D9@btinternet.com>




yes, but as I said, what is the point of an iphone without all the  
data !!!

go and get a cheap phone, because without the data thats all you have !!


Karl



On 23 Jun 2009, at 10:21, Scott Matthews wrote:

> there's a handy compatibility chart here - http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3630
>
>> someone mentioned that the iPhone constantly uses a data connection.
>
> nonsense, if you set everything to manually update then it will only
> use a data connection when you tell it to.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Simon Royal<mail at simonroyal.co.uk>  
> wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> Is anyone running the new 3.0 software on an original 2G iPhone?
>> Secondly, is anyone running the jailbroken 3.0 software? How does the
>> new software run on the first generation iPhones?
>>
>> The new software has added some of the features that has stopped me
>> getting on in the past, so now I am considering it again. As I live  
>> in
>> a non-3G area it seems pointless going for a 3G model. I was hoping
>> the release of the new 3GS version would slump the price of the
>> original model a bit further towards my range.
>>
>> I would use it with my current Virgin contract, so would jailbreak  
>> it.
>> One thing that is bothering me though, is a few weeks ago when I was
>> enquiring about iPhones, someone mentioned that the iPhone constantly
>> uses a data connection. I don't have an unlimited data plan and
>> therefore wondered if this is true and if so can it be disabled.
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> :wq
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From ricnev at mac.com  Tue Jun 23 10:39:19 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:39:19 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhone 2G & 3.0
In-Reply-To: <BCE6EA88-830F-4256-951C-083F5B4613D9@btinternet.com>
References: <CDF1592F-7B54-4C3D-8144-90E93A434326@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906230221m734fbe45md28fdb9bf8399aa8@mail.gmail.com>
	<BCE6EA88-830F-4256-951C-083F5B4613D9@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <63F98754-CABE-44D7-AF58-A703FF5ED4DA@mac.com>

Absolutely!

An iPhone without the iPhone bits is just a mobile.

And not a brilliant one at that!

Richard.


On 23 Jun 2009, at 10:33, Karl hortt wrote:

> yes, but as I said, what is the point of an iphone without all the
> data !!!
>
> go and get a cheap phone, because without the data thats all you  
> have !!

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com





From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue Jun 23 10:49:25 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:49:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhone 2G & 3.0
In-Reply-To: <BCE6EA88-830F-4256-951C-083F5B4613D9@btinternet.com>
References: <CDF1592F-7B54-4C3D-8144-90E93A434326@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906230221m734fbe45md28fdb9bf8399aa8@mail.gmail.com>
	<BCE6EA88-830F-4256-951C-083F5B4613D9@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <F46F9619-EC97-455C-89FA-3081FD7A43D7@durrant.co.uk>


On 23 Jun 2009, at 10:33, Karl hortt wrote:
> yes, but as I said, what is the point of an iphone without all the
> data !!!
>
> go and get a cheap phone, because without the data thats all you  
> have !!
>

I have neither an iPhone nor an iPod Touch, but it seems to me that  
without a data plan, what you have in an iPhone is a superior iPod  
Touch with a voice phone built-in. Still well worth having.

Paul



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Jun 23 11:18:26 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:18:26 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhone 2G & 3.0
In-Reply-To: <BCE6EA88-830F-4256-951C-083F5B4613D9@btinternet.com>
References: <CDF1592F-7B54-4C3D-8144-90E93A434326@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906230221m734fbe45md28fdb9bf8399aa8@mail.gmail.com>
	<BCE6EA88-830F-4256-951C-083F5B4613D9@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <527ECE4A-B1E4-494F-83B5-B7BA0B8F3C22@simonroyal.co.uk>

Karl

That is great when I am at home and can use my wifi connection. But I  
don't want it accessing the network when I am out of wifi coverage.

I don't have an unlimited data connection package and pay-per-mb,  
which if the iPhone connects all the time is going to cost me a  
fortune. I would rather use it when I need it.

Simon

On 23 Jun 2009, at 10:33, Karl hortt wrote:

>
>
>
> yes, but as I said, what is the point of an iphone without all the
> data !!!
>
> go and get a cheap phone, because without the data thats all you  
> have !!
>
>
> Karl
>
>
>
> On 23 Jun 2009, at 10:21, Scott Matthews wrote:
>
>> there's a handy compatibility chart here - http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3630
>>
>>> someone mentioned that the iPhone constantly uses a data connection.
>>
>> nonsense, if you set everything to manually update then it will only
>> use a data connection when you tell it to.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Simon Royal<mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Is anyone running the new 3.0 software on an original 2G iPhone?
>>> Secondly, is anyone running the jailbroken 3.0 software? How does  
>>> the
>>> new software run on the first generation iPhones?
>>>
>>> The new software has added some of the features that has stopped me
>>> getting on in the past, so now I am considering it again. As I live
>>> in
>>> a non-3G area it seems pointless going for a 3G model. I was hoping
>>> the release of the new 3GS version would slump the price of the
>>> original model a bit further towards my range.
>>>
>>> I would use it with my current Virgin contract, so would jailbreak
>>> it.
>>> One thing that is bothering me though, is a few weeks ago when I was
>>> enquiring about iPhones, someone mentioned that the iPhone  
>>> constantly
>>> uses a data connection. I don't have an unlimited data plan and
>>> therefore wondered if this is true and if so can it be disabled.
>>>
>>> Simon Royal
>>> ---
>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
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>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> :wq
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>
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'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Jun 23 11:23:12 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:23:12 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhone 2G & 3.0
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0906230221m734fbe45md28fdb9bf8399aa8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CDF1592F-7B54-4C3D-8144-90E93A434326@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906230221m734fbe45md28fdb9bf8399aa8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A5A2F7AD-7889-4DBF-BE30-5F7D2C7B14C6@simonroyal.co.uk>

Scott

Thanks for that. It does seem a little misleading, people thinking the  
3.0 will offer iPhone 2G user all the added new features.

 From that list, cut/copy/paste, landscape keyboard and shake to  
control are the only good things added. It is still missing MMS  
something that I think is disgusting. There is no reason for MMS to  
need a 3G connection, it will work over EDGE perfectly. My current  
phone does.

There is also no reason why video recording shouldn't work on a 2mpx  
camera. Other mobiles have had it for years.

I think this is a bit poor show on Apples behalf. A company pioneering  
new technology at one end, but missing the basics at the other.

Simon

On 23 Jun 2009, at 10:21, Scott Matthews wrote:

> there's a handy compatibility chart here - http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3630
>
>> someone mentioned that the iPhone constantly uses a data connection.
>
> nonsense, if you set everything to manually update then it will only
> use a data connection when you tell it to.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Simon Royal<mail at simonroyal.co.uk>  
> wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> Is anyone running the new 3.0 software on an original 2G iPhone?
>> Secondly, is anyone running the jailbroken 3.0 software? How does the
>> new software run on the first generation iPhones?
>>
>> The new software has added some of the features that has stopped me
>> getting on in the past, so now I am considering it again. As I live  
>> in
>> a non-3G area it seems pointless going for a 3G model. I was hoping
>> the release of the new 3GS version would slump the price of the
>> original model a bit further towards my range.
>>
>> I would use it with my current Virgin contract, so would jailbreak  
>> it.
>> One thing that is bothering me though, is a few weeks ago when I was
>> enquiring about iPhones, someone mentioned that the iPhone constantly
>> uses a data connection. I don't have an unlimited data plan and
>> therefore wondered if this is true and if so can it be disabled.
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> :wq
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> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

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'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk  Tue Jun 23 11:27:04 2009
From: david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk (David Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:27:04 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhone 2G & 3.0
In-Reply-To: <A5A2F7AD-7889-4DBF-BE30-5F7D2C7B14C6@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <CDF1592F-7B54-4C3D-8144-90E93A434326@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906230221m734fbe45md28fdb9bf8399aa8@mail.gmail.com>
	<A5A2F7AD-7889-4DBF-BE30-5F7D2C7B14C6@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <86FC7663-A823-468B-B495-1F84D5151C6A@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>


On 23 Jun 2009, at 11:23, Simon Royal wrote:

> There is also no reason why video recording shouldn't work on a 2mpx
> camera. Other mobiles have had it for years.

I don't think this is because of the camera.  I seem to remember  
reading it is a flash memory limitation in the pre 3GS phones.

-- 
David Reynolds
david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk







From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Jun 23 11:57:59 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:57:59 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhone 2G & 3.0
In-Reply-To: <86FC7663-A823-468B-B495-1F84D5151C6A@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>
References: <CDF1592F-7B54-4C3D-8144-90E93A434326@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906230221m734fbe45md28fdb9bf8399aa8@mail.gmail.com>
	<A5A2F7AD-7889-4DBF-BE30-5F7D2C7B14C6@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<86FC7663-A823-468B-B495-1F84D5151C6A@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>
Message-ID: <255B4E03-3BEB-49A9-939A-AECC5DA77363@simonroyal.co.uk>

David

Other mobiles have had video recording for years. The first one I had  
was a Sony K700i which was released in 2004.

It just seems a bit poor.

Simon

On 23 Jun 2009, at 11:27, David Reynolds wrote:

>
> On 23 Jun 2009, at 11:23, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> There is also no reason why video recording shouldn't work on a 2mpx
>> camera. Other mobiles have had it for years.
>
> I don't think this is because of the camera.  I seem to remember
> reading it is a flash memory limitation in the pre 3GS phones.
>
> -- 
> David Reynolds
> david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
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'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From ricnev at mac.com  Tue Jun 23 13:36:15 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 13:36:15 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhone 2G & 3.0
In-Reply-To: <255B4E03-3BEB-49A9-939A-AECC5DA77363@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <CDF1592F-7B54-4C3D-8144-90E93A434326@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906230221m734fbe45md28fdb9bf8399aa8@mail.gmail.com>
	<A5A2F7AD-7889-4DBF-BE30-5F7D2C7B14C6@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<86FC7663-A823-468B-B495-1F84D5151C6A@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>
	<255B4E03-3BEB-49A9-939A-AECC5DA77363@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7F79FD37-C7DA-4D70-AFBE-B607EF3D765A@mac.com>


On 23 Jun 2009, at 11:57, Simon Royal wrote:

> David
>
> Other mobiles have had video recording for years. The first one I had
> was a Sony K700i which was released in 2004.
>
> It just seems a bit poor.
>


Most features of most phones are compromised.

If you want an optimum way to record video, get a dedicated camcorder.

Ditto sound - get a sound recorder.

Ditto photographs - get a camera.

It is the way Apple engineers the compromises to provide a pretty-well  
rounded set of hardware and software features which makes their  
products compelling to most of us.

Stripping away the Appleness detracts from the overall package and  
waters down the uniquely elegant simplicity which is the cornerstone  
of Apple's solutions.


Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com





From ghowells at f2s.com  Wed Jun 24 18:10:07 2009
From: ghowells at f2s.com (G.Howells)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:10:07 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] LAPTOP BATTERIES
Message-ID: <a06240803c6680d7547c3@[192.168.2.3]>

Hi everyone.

	I'm looking for a replacement battery for my G4 15" Titanium 
PowerBook and find that there are a number of people advertising 
non-Apple brand replacements at approx half the price of the Apple 
ones.
	Any comments? Has anyone had good service recently from a 
battery supplier he/she would recommend?

Gordon.


From wjhurst44 at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 24 20:08:30 2009
From: wjhurst44 at hotmail.com (Jeff Hurst)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:08:30 -0500
Subject: [NMUG] Pismo
Message-ID: <BAY132-W25D534B086EA58FFCCD443BA370@phx.gbl>






  I took a chance and bought another used Pismo that the owner claimed to be in great condition but was dead and the battery as well.  I received it yesterday and it did boot up after I pulled the pram battery but the screen was really screwed up with lines, etc so I was figuring bad logic board.  I did a hardware check with a disc and everything was working.  I then figured a bad hd or corrupted software so I did an install of Tiger.  When it was done, I checked the specs and to my surprise I discovered I had a Pismo  with a G4 550 mghz processor and with 768 mb ram and a 30 gb hd.  So far its working great---just need a great battery and it is open for a new home!  If anyone is interested, let me know.   Jeff




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Jun 24 21:45:11 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:45:11 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Pismo
In-Reply-To: <BAY132-W25D534B086EA58FFCCD443BA370@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY132-W25D534B086EA58FFCCD443BA370@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <66118478-295A-4CA5-B70B-305AF56E7522@simonroyal.co.uk>

Jeff

Your passion falls on deaf ears in this group. If it don't say Intel  
then they scoff and frown.

I am probably the last saviour for G3 and early G4 machines. I have  
seen a G4 Pismo in action and it is very impressive.

Simon

On 24 Jun 2009, at 20:08, Jeff Hurst wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
>  I took a chance and bought another used Pismo that the owner  
> claimed to be in great condition but was dead and the battery as  
> well.  I received it yesterday and it did boot up after I pulled the  
> pram battery but the screen was really screwed up with lines, etc so  
> I was figuring bad logic board.  I did a hardware check with a disc  
> and everything was working.  I then figured a bad hd or corrupted  
> software so I did an install of Tiger.  When it was done, I checked  
> the specs and to my surprise I discovered I had a Pismo  with a G4  
> 550 mghz processor and with 768 mb ram and a 30 gb hd.  So far its  
> working great---just need a great battery and it is open for a new  
> home!  If anyone is interested, let me know.   Jeff
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From wjhurst44 at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 24 21:48:50 2009
From: wjhurst44 at hotmail.com (Jeff Hurst)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:48:50 -0500
Subject: [NMUG] Pismo
In-Reply-To: <66118478-295A-4CA5-B70B-305AF56E7522@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <BAY132-W25D534B086EA58FFCCD443BA370@phx.gbl>
	<66118478-295A-4CA5-B70B-305AF56E7522@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BAY132-W295889F8BCDBC61B654E11BA370@phx.gbl>


OK Simon.  Thanks for at least responding!  Jeff






> From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:45:11 +0100
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Pismo
> 
> Jeff
> 
> Your passion falls on deaf ears in this group. If it don't say Intel  
> then they scoff and frown.
> 
> I am probably the last saviour for G3 and early G4 machines. I have  
> seen a G4 Pismo in action and it is very impressive.
> 
> Simon
> 
> On 24 Jun 2009, at 20:08, Jeff Hurst wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  I took a chance and bought another used Pismo that the owner  
> > claimed to be in great condition but was dead and the battery as  
> > well.  I received it yesterday and it did boot up after I pulled the  
> > pram battery but the screen was really screwed up with lines, etc so  
> > I was figuring bad logic board.  I did a hardware check with a disc  
> > and everything was working.  I then figured a bad hd or corrupted  
> > software so I did an install of Tiger.  When it was done, I checked  
> > the specs and to my surprise I discovered I had a Pismo  with a G4  
> > 550 mghz processor and with 768 mb ram and a 30 gb hd.  So far its  
> > working great---just need a great battery and it is open for a new  
> > home!  If anyone is interested, let me know.   Jeff
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NMUG mailing list
> > NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
> >
> 
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Jun 24 22:07:12 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:07:12 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Pismo
In-Reply-To: <BAY132-W295889F8BCDBC61B654E11BA370@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY132-W25D534B086EA58FFCCD443BA370@phx.gbl>
	<66118478-295A-4CA5-B70B-305AF56E7522@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<BAY132-W295889F8BCDBC61B654E11BA370@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4D7C564E-8A89-476C-AFAA-00EAB52DDC07@simonroyal.co.uk>

Jeff

Before the hoards of slaps I get from others. There are some users of  
older Macs still here on the group. A couple of us still have G4  
laptops, there are some G5 users. But a suped up Pismo is beyond most  
other members.

The forthcoming of Snow Leopard will push more people towards Intel,  
leaving PowerPC out in the cold.

Simon

On 24 Jun 2009, at 21:48, Jeff Hurst wrote:

>
> OK Simon.  Thanks for at least responding!  Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk
>> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
>> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:45:11 +0100
>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Pismo
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> Your passion falls on deaf ears in this group. If it don't say Intel
>> then they scoff and frown.
>>
>> I am probably the last saviour for G3 and early G4 machines. I have
>> seen a G4 Pismo in action and it is very impressive.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> On 24 Jun 2009, at 20:08, Jeff Hurst wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I took a chance and bought another used Pismo that the owner
>>> claimed to be in great condition but was dead and the battery as
>>> well.  I received it yesterday and it did boot up after I pulled the
>>> pram battery but the screen was really screwed up with lines, etc so
>>> I was figuring bad logic board.  I did a hardware check with a disc
>>> and everything was working.  I then figured a bad hd or corrupted
>>> software so I did an install of Tiger.  When it was done, I checked
>>> the specs and to my surprise I discovered I had a Pismo  with a G4
>>> 550 mghz processor and with 768 mb ram and a 30 gb hd.  So far its
>>> working great---just need a great battery and it is open for a new
>>> home!  If anyone is interested, let me know.   Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com  Wed Jun 24 22:42:41 2009
From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (Simon Bainbridge)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:42:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] First MUG Meeting
Message-ID: <6A0ABDAC-0734-4A88-842B-A508C537FF05@googlemail.com>

Hi All

Just like to say thank you to all the attendees tonight at the NMUG  
meeting as I found it very enjoyable. Great to share info on what we  
do with our Apple products.

Looking forward to next months meeting already!

Cheers

Simon Bainbridge


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Jun 24 22:49:42 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:49:42 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Pismo
In-Reply-To: <BAY132-W295889F8BCDBC61B654E11BA370@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY132-W25D534B086EA58FFCCD443BA370@phx.gbl>
	<66118478-295A-4CA5-B70B-305AF56E7522@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<BAY132-W295889F8BCDBC61B654E11BA370@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <788FEFF8-DFAE-4027-B41C-1E65507A02A8@simonroyal.co.uk>

Jeff

How much are you asking for this G4 Pismo?

Simon

On 24 Jun 2009, at 21:48, Jeff Hurst wrote:

>
> OK Simon.  Thanks for at least responding!  Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk
>> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
>> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:45:11 +0100
>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Pismo
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> Your passion falls on deaf ears in this group. If it don't say Intel
>> then they scoff and frown.
>>
>> I am probably the last saviour for G3 and early G4 machines. I have
>> seen a G4 Pismo in action and it is very impressive.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> On 24 Jun 2009, at 20:08, Jeff Hurst wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I took a chance and bought another used Pismo that the owner
>>> claimed to be in great condition but was dead and the battery as
>>> well.  I received it yesterday and it did boot up after I pulled the
>>> pram battery but the screen was really screwed up with lines, etc so
>>> I was figuring bad logic board.  I did a hardware check with a disc
>>> and everything was working.  I then figured a bad hd or corrupted
>>> software so I did an install of Tiger.  When it was done, I checked
>>> the specs and to my surprise I discovered I had a Pismo  with a G4
>>> 550 mghz processor and with 768 mb ram and a 30 gb hd.  So far its
>>> working great---just need a great battery and it is open for a new
>>> home!  If anyone is interested, let me know.   Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From wjhurst44 at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 24 23:01:09 2009
From: wjhurst44 at hotmail.com (Jeff Hurst)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 17:01:09 -0500
Subject: [NMUG] Pismo
In-Reply-To: <788FEFF8-DFAE-4027-B41C-1E65507A02A8@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <BAY132-W25D534B086EA58FFCCD443BA370@phx.gbl>
	<66118478-295A-4CA5-B70B-305AF56E7522@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<BAY132-W295889F8BCDBC61B654E11BA370@phx.gbl> 
	<788FEFF8-DFAE-4027-B41C-1E65507A02A8@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BAY132-W12EA796C8A6A84C13FEC35BA370@phx.gbl>


Not sure Simon.  These --_____ things run high used on ebay just for the G4 processor upgrade itself usually around 200-300 US.  Let me know what ya thinkJeff






> From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:49:42 +0100
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Pismo
> 
> Jeff
> 
> How much are you asking for this G4 Pismo?
> 
> Simon
> 
> On 24 Jun 2009, at 21:48, Jeff Hurst wrote:
> 
> >
> > OK Simon.  Thanks for at least responding!  Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk
> >> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> >> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:45:11 +0100
> >> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Pismo
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >> Your passion falls on deaf ears in this group. If it don't say Intel
> >> then they scoff and frown.
> >>
> >> I am probably the last saviour for G3 and early G4 machines. I have
> >> seen a G4 Pismo in action and it is very impressive.
> >>
> >> Simon
> >>
> >> On 24 Jun 2009, at 20:08, Jeff Hurst wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I took a chance and bought another used Pismo that the owner
> >>> claimed to be in great condition but was dead and the battery as
> >>> well.  I received it yesterday and it did boot up after I pulled the
> >>> pram battery but the screen was really screwed up with lines, etc so
> >>> I was figuring bad logic board.  I did a hardware check with a disc
> >>> and everything was working.  I then figured a bad hd or corrupted
> >>> software so I did an install of Tiger.  When it was done, I checked
> >>> the specs and to my surprise I discovered I had a Pismo  with a G4
> >>> 550 mghz processor and with 768 mb ram and a 30 gb hd.  So far its
> >>> working great---just need a great battery and it is open for a new
> >>> home!  If anyone is interested, let me know.   Jeff
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> NMUG mailing list
> >>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> >>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
> >>>
> >>
> >> Simon Royal
> >> ---
> >> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> >> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> >> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> NMUG mailing list
> >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
> > _______________________________________________
> > NMUG mailing list
> > NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
> >
> 
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com  Wed Jun 24 23:24:27 2009
From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:24:27 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] First MUG Meeting
In-Reply-To: <6A0ABDAC-0734-4A88-842B-A508C537FF05@googlemail.com>
References: <6A0ABDAC-0734-4A88-842B-A508C537FF05@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <9EA66DE8-1746-4BC2-A949-72F9F4C5EFAF@ruthmurray.f2s.com>

And great to see you too Simon!

Ruth


On 24 Jun 2009, at 22:42, Simon Bainbridge wrote:

> Hi All
>
> Just like to say thank you to all the attendees tonight at the NMUG
> meeting as I found it very enjoyable. Great to share info on what we
> do with our Apple products.
>
> Looking forward to next months meeting already!
>
> Cheers
>
> Simon Bainbridge
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Ruth Murray
ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com

Ruth Murray
Graphic Design and Illustration
01603 632334

Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net






From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com  Wed Jun 24 23:40:50 2009
From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (Simon Bainbridge)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:40:50 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] First MUG Meeting
In-Reply-To: <9EA66DE8-1746-4BC2-A949-72F9F4C5EFAF@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
References: <6A0ABDAC-0734-4A88-842B-A508C537FF05@googlemail.com>
	<9EA66DE8-1746-4BC2-A949-72F9F4C5EFAF@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
Message-ID: <CDC17233-E2AE-4FD3-A107-7CEE3DA51957@googlemail.com>

Ruth

Here are web design podcasts / sites that I was talking about tonight.

Boagworld - subscribe via itunes - Web Site

CSS Tricks - Screencast iTunes - Web Site

I hope these are helpful to you as they have been to me.

Cheers

Simon

On 24 Jun 2009, at 23:24, Ruth Murray wrote:

> And great to see you too Simon!
>
> Ruth
>
>
> On 24 Jun 2009, at 22:42, Simon Bainbridge wrote:
>
>> Hi All
>>
>> Just like to say thank you to all the attendees tonight at the NMUG
>> meeting as I found it very enjoyable. Great to share info on what we
>> do with our Apple products.
>>
>> Looking forward to next months meeting already!
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Simon Bainbridge
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> Ruth Murray
> ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com
>
> Ruth Murray
> Graphic Design and Illustration
> 01603 632334
>
> Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com  Thu Jun 25 08:02:14 2009
From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:02:14 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] external DVD drive
Message-ID: <1C7D4DF1-CE2F-4F25-8ACA-DCAF037A504A@ruthmurray.f2s.com>

Hello folks

Does anyone have a external DVD drive they can lend me.

I wish to load Tiger onto an old G4 which only has a CD ROM optical  
drive.

Many thanks

Ruth





From macman at f2s.com  Thu Jun 25 08:55:12 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 08:55:12 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] external DVD drive
In-Reply-To: <1C7D4DF1-CE2F-4F25-8ACA-DCAF037A504A@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
References: <1C7D4DF1-CE2F-4F25-8ACA-DCAF037A504A@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
Message-ID: <B0D6EFC8-B2B7-4C93-9964-A4C1D1ACD320@f2s.com>

Hi Ruth

I'll be happy to lend you mine, but at the moment oi'm in Dublin, to  
be sure.

Back Tuesday - if still required give me a shout ....

Robbie

On 25 Jun 2009, at 08:02, Ruth Murray wrote:

Hello folks

Does anyone have a external DVD drive they can lend me.

I wish to load Tiger onto an old G4 which only has a CD ROM optical
drive.

Many thanks

Ruth



_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
NMUG at durrant.co.uk
http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Jun 25 09:04:46 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:04:46 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Pismo
In-Reply-To: <BAY132-W12EA796C8A6A84C13FEC35BA370@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY132-W25D534B086EA58FFCCD443BA370@phx.gbl>
	<66118478-295A-4CA5-B70B-305AF56E7522@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<BAY132-W295889F8BCDBC61B654E11BA370@phx.gbl>
	<788FEFF8-DFAE-4027-B41C-1E65507A02A8@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<BAY132-W12EA796C8A6A84C13FEC35BA370@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6478B1D7-F822-4FBA-BC72-B2B6BEB4E816@simonroyal.co.uk>

Jeff

A bit out of my league and not really what I am looking for, I was  
just interested.

Compared to the original Pismo, the G4 upgraded one really does smoke  
along.

Simon

On 24 Jun 2009, at 23:01, Jeff Hurst wrote:

>
> Not sure Simon.  These --_____ things run high used on ebay just for  
> the G4 processor upgrade itself usually around 200-300 US.  Let me  
> know what ya thinkJeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk
>> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
>> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:49:42 +0100
>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Pismo
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> How much are you asking for this G4 Pismo?
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> On 24 Jun 2009, at 21:48, Jeff Hurst wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> OK Simon.  Thanks for at least responding!  Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk
>>>> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
>>>> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:45:11 +0100
>>>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Pismo
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>>>
>>>> Your passion falls on deaf ears in this group. If it don't say  
>>>> Intel
>>>> then they scoff and frown.
>>>>
>>>> I am probably the last saviour for G3 and early G4 machines. I have
>>>> seen a G4 Pismo in action and it is very impressive.
>>>>
>>>> Simon
>>>>
>>>> On 24 Jun 2009, at 20:08, Jeff Hurst wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I took a chance and bought another used Pismo that the owner
>>>>> claimed to be in great condition but was dead and the battery as
>>>>> well.  I received it yesterday and it did boot up after I pulled  
>>>>> the
>>>>> pram battery but the screen was really screwed up with lines,  
>>>>> etc so
>>>>> I was figuring bad logic board.  I did a hardware check with a  
>>>>> disc
>>>>> and everything was working.  I then figured a bad hd or corrupted
>>>>> software so I did an install of Tiger.  When it was done, I  
>>>>> checked
>>>>> the specs and to my surprise I discovered I had a Pismo  with a G4
>>>>> 550 mghz processor and with 768 mb ram and a 30 gb hd.  So far its
>>>>> working great---just need a great battery and it is open for a new
>>>>> home!  If anyone is interested, let me know.   Jeff
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Simon Royal
>>>> ---
>>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From munkt0n at gmail.com  Thu Jun 25 10:51:06 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:51:06 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Pismo
In-Reply-To: <66118478-295A-4CA5-B70B-305AF56E7522@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <BAY132-W25D534B086EA58FFCCD443BA370@phx.gbl>
	<66118478-295A-4CA5-B70B-305AF56E7522@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0906250251i1d549a06n56413353a0948c2e@mail.gmail.com>

get over yourself Simon! it's not like you're the last person on the
planet using PPC Macs...

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Simon Royal<mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:
> Jeff
>
> Your passion falls on deaf ears in this group. If it don't say Intel
> then they scoff and frown.
>
> I am probably the last saviour for G3 and early G4 machines. I have
> seen a G4 Pismo in action and it is very impressive.
>
> Simon
>
> On 24 Jun 2009, at 20:08, Jeff Hurst wrote:


From sc at davidviner.com  Thu Jun 25 10:58:03 2009
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:58:03 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Pismo
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0906250251i1d549a06n56413353a0948c2e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY132-W25D534B086EA58FFCCD443BA370@phx.gbl>	<66118478-295A-4CA5-B70B-305AF56E7522@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906250251i1d549a06n56413353a0948c2e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A434A2B.1090709@davidviner.com>

Yep, four of my Macs are PPC - the only that isn't has a 68030 in it 
instead :)

David

Scott Matthews wrote:
> get over yourself Simon! it's not like you're the last person on the
> planet using PPC Macs...
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Simon Royal<mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:
>   
>> Jeff
>>
>> Your passion falls on deaf ears in this group. If it don't say Intel
>> then they scoff and frown.
>>
>> I am probably the last saviour for G3 and early G4 machines. I have
>> seen a G4 Pismo in action and it is very impressive.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> On 24 Jun 2009, at 20:08, Jeff Hurst wrote:
>>     
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From steve.forst at virgin.net  Thu Jun 25 10:58:16 2009
From: steve.forst at virgin.net (Steve Forster)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:58:16 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Pismo
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0906250251i1d549a06n56413353a0948c2e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C66908C8.1BE2E%steve.forst@virgin.net>

I though that was me (PowerBook G4, imac G4 and iMac G3 pressed into
occasional use with an iBook G3 currently loaned to a friend)...

Mind you it?s all down to poverty...

From: Scott Matthews <munkt0n at gmail.com>
Reply-To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:51:06 +0100
To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [NMUG] Pismo

get over yourself Simon! it's not like you're the last person on the
planet using PPC Macs...

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Simon Royal<mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:
> Jeff
>
> Your passion falls on deaf ears in this group. If it don't say Intel
> then they scoff and frown.
>
> I am probably the last saviour for G3 and early G4 machines. I have
> seen a G4 Pismo in action and it is very impressive.
>
> Simon
>
> On 24 Jun 2009, at 20:08, Jeff Hurst wrote:
_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
NMUG at durrant.co.uk
http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Jun 25 11:12:53 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:12:53 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Pismo
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0906250251i1d549a06n56413353a0948c2e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY132-W25D534B086EA58FFCCD443BA370@phx.gbl>
	<66118478-295A-4CA5-B70B-305AF56E7522@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906250251i1d549a06n56413353a0948c2e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <31F12C56-AF6D-4789-BD19-8AC8B7592361@simonroyal.co.uk>

Scott

It was a joke.

I know there are a lot users of older Macs on here. When ever anyone  
is thinking of chucking out a G3 it just seems my name comes up.

Simon

On 25 Jun 2009, at 10:51, Scott Matthews wrote:

> get over yourself Simon! it's not like you're the last person on the
> planet using PPC Macs...
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Simon Royal<mail at simonroyal.co.uk>  
> wrote:
>> Jeff
>>
>> Your passion falls on deaf ears in this group. If it don't say Intel
>> then they scoff and frown.
>>
>> I am probably the last saviour for G3 and early G4 machines. I have
>> seen a G4 Pismo in action and it is very impressive.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> On 24 Jun 2009, at 20:08, Jeff Hurst wrote:
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Jun 25 11:14:18 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:14:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhone 2G & 3.0
In-Reply-To: <7F79FD37-C7DA-4D70-AFBE-B607EF3D765A@mac.com>
References: <CDF1592F-7B54-4C3D-8144-90E93A434326@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906230221m734fbe45md28fdb9bf8399aa8@mail.gmail.com>
	<A5A2F7AD-7889-4DBF-BE30-5F7D2C7B14C6@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<86FC7663-A823-468B-B495-1F84D5151C6A@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>
	<255B4E03-3BEB-49A9-939A-AECC5DA77363@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<7F79FD37-C7DA-4D70-AFBE-B607EF3D765A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <2AAF3EDD-850D-411E-8992-35FB4BD080B7@simonroyal.co.uk>

Richard

What about the lack of MMS. This feature has been around for as long  
as colour mobiles.

Is this Apples way of saying MMS is outdated and should be replaced  
with email?

Simon

On 23 Jun 2009, at 13:36, Richard Nevill wrote:

>
> On 23 Jun 2009, at 11:57, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> David
>>
>> Other mobiles have had video recording for years. The first one I had
>> was a Sony K700i which was released in 2004.
>>
>> It just seems a bit poor.
>>
>
>
> Most features of most phones are compromised.
>
> If you want an optimum way to record video, get a dedicated camcorder.
>
> Ditto sound - get a sound recorder.
>
> Ditto photographs - get a camera.
>
> It is the way Apple engineers the compromises to provide a pretty-well
> rounded set of hardware and software features which makes their
> products compelling to most of us.
>
> Stripping away the Appleness detracts from the overall package and
> waters down the uniquely elegant simplicity which is the cornerstone
> of Apple's solutions.
>
>
> Richard Nevill
> ricnev at mac.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Jun 25 11:19:24 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:19:24 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhone 2G & 3.0
In-Reply-To: <2AAF3EDD-850D-411E-8992-35FB4BD080B7@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <CDF1592F-7B54-4C3D-8144-90E93A434326@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0906230221m734fbe45md28fdb9bf8399aa8@mail.gmail.com>
	<A5A2F7AD-7889-4DBF-BE30-5F7D2C7B14C6@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<86FC7663-A823-468B-B495-1F84D5151C6A@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>
	<255B4E03-3BEB-49A9-939A-AECC5DA77363@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<7F79FD37-C7DA-4D70-AFBE-B607EF3D765A@mac.com>
	<2AAF3EDD-850D-411E-8992-35FB4BD080B7@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <39740065-59E7-47F4-A9D7-6B1FB1795F1E@simonroyal.co.uk>

Richard

There is no logical reason why you need a 3G iPhone to use MMS. A lot  
of non-3G phones can send and receive MMS and even if you have a 3G  
enabled phone, if you are out of a 3G signal area it will switch to 2G  
and still send and receive them.

I thought maybe it was a software limitation that would be sorted out  
with software at some point. It looked like Apple had done it with the  
3.0 software, but they left this feature out of the 2G handset  
completely.

Simon

On 25 Jun 2009, at 11:14, Simon Royal wrote:

> Richard
>
> What about the lack of MMS. This feature has been around for as long
> as colour mobiles.
>
> Is this Apples way of saying MMS is outdated and should be replaced
> with email?
>
> Simon
>
> On 23 Jun 2009, at 13:36, Richard Nevill wrote:
>
>>
>> On 23 Jun 2009, at 11:57, Simon Royal wrote:
>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> Other mobiles have had video recording for years. The first one I  
>>> had
>>> was a Sony K700i which was released in 2004.
>>>
>>> It just seems a bit poor.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Most features of most phones are compromised.
>>
>> If you want an optimum way to record video, get a dedicated  
>> camcorder.
>>
>> Ditto sound - get a sound recorder.
>>
>> Ditto photographs - get a camera.
>>
>> It is the way Apple engineers the compromises to provide a pretty- 
>> well
>> rounded set of hardware and software features which makes their
>> products compelling to most of us.
>>
>> Stripping away the Appleness detracts from the overall package and
>> waters down the uniquely elegant simplicity which is the cornerstone
>> of Apple's solutions.
>>
>>
>> Richard Nevill
>> ricnev at mac.com
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
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>>
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
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> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
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'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From kelvinyoungs at mac.com  Thu Jun 25 11:59:24 2009
From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 11:59:24 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] repairs
Message-ID: <4BE75AB0-95FA-41F8-9C17-DE7C2FFABC6A@mac.com>

I know that this has been mentioned previously but lost the thread:
I need my other iMac hard disk replacing.
Found a company on line who will do it for around ?130 (http://www.allmacshop.co.uk/ 
  ) but would prefer a local company for speed reliability , etc.

The hard drive for my model iMac is not suitable for home replacement  
- 17" intel. My model is the 17" 2.16 GHZ Intel Core 2 duo with a  
465GB hard disk ST3500641AS QS/No: 3PM15Z2X. 3GB memory 667 MHZ DDR2  
RAM.

Who do you rec. locally?

Kelvin

From alanbarber at mac.com  Thu Jun 25 12:13:18 2009
From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:13:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] repairs
In-Reply-To: <4BE75AB0-95FA-41F8-9C17-DE7C2FFABC6A@mac.com>
References: <4BE75AB0-95FA-41F8-9C17-DE7C2FFABC6A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7E06986C-3A59-4E29-BD0C-48B25D078E92@mac.com>

I have always found Chris Hadley reasonable and reliable

chris at norwichcomputersystems.com

Regards

Alan
		

On 25 Jun 2009, at 11:59, Kelvin Youngs wrote:

> I know that this has been mentioned previously but lost the thread:
> I need my other iMac hard disk replacing.
> Found a company on line who will do it for around ?130 (http://www.allmacshop.co.uk/
>  ) but would prefer a local company for speed reliability , etc.
>
> The hard drive for my model iMac is not suitable for home replacement
> - 17" intel. My model is the 17" 2.16 GHZ Intel Core 2 duo with a
> 465GB hard disk ST3500641AS QS/No: 3PM15Z2X. 3GB memory 667 MHZ DDR2
> RAM.
>
> Who do you rec. locally?
>
> Kelvin
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From yahooist at anyisle.com  Thu Jun 25 12:28:45 2009
From: yahooist at anyisle.com (Neil S.)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:28:45 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhone 2G & 3.0 for 99p
Message-ID: <FE8CD7D9-3164-4FF7-9191-BF1CB890D718@anyisle.com>

Hi,

I'm selling mine on eBay as I have upgraded to the iPhone 3G S but I  
am shocked by the lack of interest.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320388278402

It's been on eBay for a day-and-a-half and has had 32 viewings (3 are  
me!) with only one person bidding. He has it at the moment for 99p. I  
can't understand why there's not more viewings.

Please excuse me drumming up trade but I thought this might be of  
interest to someone here.

Regards...
Neil





From ricnev at mac.com  Thu Jun 25 14:53:29 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 14:53:29 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhone 2G & 3.0 for 99p
In-Reply-To: <FE8CD7D9-3164-4FF7-9191-BF1CB890D718@anyisle.com>
References: <FE8CD7D9-3164-4FF7-9191-BF1CB890D718@anyisle.com>
Message-ID: <D89E9087-DFEA-4B2F-8AB4-E2F2865D306C@mac.com>

You will almost certainly get lots of bids at the last moment.
That's eBayer's for you!


Sent from my iPhone

On 25 Jun 2009, at 12:28, "Neil S." <yahooist at anyisle.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm selling mine on eBay as I have upgraded to the iPhone 3G S but I
> am shocked by the lack of interest.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320388278402
>
> It's been on eBay for a day-and-a-half and has had 32 viewings (3 are
> me!) with only one person bidding. He has it at the moment for 99p. I
> can't understand why there's not more viewings.
>
> Please excuse me drumming up trade but I thought this might be of
> interest to someone here.
>
> Regards...
> Neil
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Thu Jun 25 17:39:01 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:39:01 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] repairs
In-Reply-To: <4BE75AB0-95FA-41F8-9C17-DE7C2FFABC6A@mac.com>
References: <4BE75AB0-95FA-41F8-9C17-DE7C2FFABC6A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5A4D29DD-55DB-428A-B901-4CCB54F2A15B@durrant.co.uk>

Mine's currently in at Bite Systems for a replacement fan. But since  
(1) it's a warranty repair and (ii) they haven't finished yet (only a  
few days so far), I can't comment on efficiency or price yet.

They do seem to have been around a while, and are official Apple  
Repairers.

Paul


On 25 Jun 2009, at 11:59, Kelvin Youngs wrote:

> I know that this has been mentioned previously but lost the thread:
> I need my other iMac hard disk replacing.
> Found a company on line who will do it for around ?130 (http://www.allmacshop.co.uk/
>  ) but would prefer a local company for speed reliability , etc.
>
> The hard drive for my model iMac is not suitable for home replacement
> - 17" intel. My model is the 17" 2.16 GHZ Intel Core 2 duo with a
> 465GB hard disk ST3500641AS QS/No: 3PM15Z2X. 3GB memory 667 MHZ DDR2
> RAM.
>
> Who do you rec. locally?



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Thu Jun 25 17:40:40 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:40:40 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhone 2G & 3.0 for 99p
In-Reply-To: <FE8CD7D9-3164-4FF7-9191-BF1CB890D718@anyisle.com>
References: <FE8CD7D9-3164-4FF7-9191-BF1CB890D718@anyisle.com>
Message-ID: <B0CB2847-AFA1-46D5-BC1F-D3F4CE16A692@durrant.co.uk>

It's got five days to go. You won't see serious bids until the last 12  
hours, and probably nothing much until the last hour, sometimes last  
minute.

Paul

On 25 Jun 2009, at 12:28, Neil S. wrote:
>
> I'm selling mine on eBay as I have upgraded to the iPhone 3G S but I
> am shocked by the lack of interest.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320388278402
>
> It's been on eBay for a day-and-a-half and has had 32 viewings (3 are
> me!) with only one person bidding. He has it at the moment for 99p. I
> can't understand why there's not more viewings.
>
> Please excuse me drumming up trade but I thought this might be of
> interest to someone here.



From yahooist at anyisle.com  Thu Jun 25 18:34:25 2009
From: yahooist at anyisle.com (Neil S.)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:34:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhone 2G & 3.0 for 99p
In-Reply-To: <D89E9087-DFEA-4B2F-8AB4-E2F2865D306C@mac.com>
References: <FE8CD7D9-3164-4FF7-9191-BF1CB890D718@anyisle.com>
	<D89E9087-DFEA-4B2F-8AB4-E2F2865D306C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1072325A-FA43-4CE7-910C-B87D2CA39675@anyisle.com>

Thank You for your supportive comments.

Wobble over. I'm back on track.

Regards...
Neil

--
Sent from my ? iPhone 3G S


On 25 Jun 2009, at 14:53, Richard Nevill <ricnev at mac.com> wrote:

> You will almost certainly get lots of bids at the last moment.
> That's eBayer's for you!


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Jun 25 21:37:12 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:37:12 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] GIMPshop
Message-ID: <25DC8502-4603-4903-9F77-590E4485FB99@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I know there are lot of Photoshop users here. It is a great image  
editing and manipulation package, that I got to know very indepthly  
working as a designer and journalist. I also know there are a number  
of us who would like it at home but cannot afford.

Of course you have GIMP - the open source alternative - but the main  
gripe Photoshop users have with it is it's odd menuing system or just  
how different it is to Photoshop.

I am now checking out GIMPshop. It is supposed to be GIMP redesigned  
to have the menu layout and toolbars of Photoshop.

http://www.gimpshop.com/

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From djr.massy at ntlworld.com  Thu Jun 25 23:44:21 2009
From: djr.massy at ntlworld.com (DJR Massy)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:44:21 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] LaCie 19" CRT monitor
Message-ID: <BE08C3CA-36EC-41CB-9B9A-5E9135138B7A@ntlworld.com>

Hi,

I've just ordered a new monitor and would like to get rid of my old  
one.  No charge to anyone coming to fetch it, carry it downstairs and  
take it away.

It is a LaCie 19" CRT electron19blue.  It comes with 2 CDs (manual,  
drivers etc.) and a LaCie blue eye calibrator.  The calibrator  
attaches to the front of the monitor by suction cups and the  
calibration is executed via the software.  It is mainly compatible  
with Mac OS9.  I believe it does not function with OSX, but maybe it  
could be made to do so by someone cleverer than me.  There is nothing  
wrong with the monitor - I just want a larger screen.  Nevertheless,  
the monitor is several years old (I can't find the receipt, but it  
will be between 5 and 10 years!).

Any takers?

Jim Massy.


From wjhurst44 at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 26 03:37:33 2009
From: wjhurst44 at hotmail.com (Jeff Hurst)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:37:33 -0500
Subject: [NMUG] Pismo
In-Reply-To: <6478B1D7-F822-4FBA-BC72-B2B6BEB4E816@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <BAY132-W25D534B086EA58FFCCD443BA370@phx.gbl>
	<66118478-295A-4CA5-B70B-305AF56E7522@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<BAY132-W295889F8BCDBC61B654E11BA370@phx.gbl>
	<788FEFF8-DFAE-4027-B41C-1E65507A02A8@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<BAY132-W12EA796C8A6A84C13FEC35BA370@phx.gbl> 
	<6478B1D7-F822-4FBA-BC72-B2B6BEB4E816@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BAY132-W93B8FE31D232D98121CE8BA350@phx.gbl>


Simon,  What are you looking for and what is your bottom line as far as cost?  






> From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 09:04:46 +0100
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Pismo
> 
> Jeff
> 
> A bit out of my league and not really what I am looking for, I was  
> just interested.
> 
> Compared to the original Pismo, the G4 upgraded one really does smoke  
> along.
> 
> Simon
> 
> On 24 Jun 2009, at 23:01, Jeff Hurst wrote:
> 
> >
> > Not sure Simon.  These --_____ things run high used on ebay just for  
> > the G4 processor upgrade itself usually around 200-300 US.  Let me  
> > know what ya thinkJeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk
> >> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> >> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:49:42 +0100
> >> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Pismo
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >> How much are you asking for this G4 Pismo?
> >>
> >> Simon
> >>
> >> On 24 Jun 2009, at 21:48, Jeff Hurst wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> OK Simon.  Thanks for at least responding!  Jeff
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk
> >>>> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> >>>> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:45:11 +0100
> >>>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Pismo
> >>>>
> >>>> Jeff
> >>>>
> >>>> Your passion falls on deaf ears in this group. If it don't say  
> >>>> Intel
> >>>> then they scoff and frown.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am probably the last saviour for G3 and early G4 machines. I have
> >>>> seen a G4 Pismo in action and it is very impressive.
> >>>>
> >>>> Simon
> >>>>
> >>>> On 24 Jun 2009, at 20:08, Jeff Hurst wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I took a chance and bought another used Pismo that the owner
> >>>>> claimed to be in great condition but was dead and the battery as
> >>>>> well.  I received it yesterday and it did boot up after I pulled  
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> pram battery but the screen was really screwed up with lines,  
> >>>>> etc so
> >>>>> I was figuring bad logic board.  I did a hardware check with a  
> >>>>> disc
> >>>>> and everything was working.  I then figured a bad hd or corrupted
> >>>>> software so I did an install of Tiger.  When it was done, I  
> >>>>> checked
> >>>>> the specs and to my surprise I discovered I had a Pismo  with a G4
> >>>>> 550 mghz processor and with 768 mb ram and a 30 gb hd.  So far its
> >>>>> working great---just need a great battery and it is open for a new
> >>>>> home!  If anyone is interested, let me know.   Jeff
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> NMUG mailing list
> >>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> >>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Simon Royal
> >>>> ---
> >>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> >>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> >>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> NMUG mailing list
> >>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> >>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> NMUG mailing list
> >>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> >>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
> >>>
> >>
> >> Simon Royal
> >> ---
> >> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> >> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> >> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> NMUG mailing list
> >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
> > _______________________________________________
> > NMUG mailing list
> > NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
> >
> 
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Fri Jun 26 08:09:41 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:09:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Pismo
In-Reply-To: <BAY132-W93B8FE31D232D98121CE8BA350@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY132-W25D534B086EA58FFCCD443BA370@phx.gbl>
	<66118478-295A-4CA5-B70B-305AF56E7522@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<BAY132-W295889F8BCDBC61B654E11BA370@phx.gbl>
	<788FEFF8-DFAE-4027-B41C-1E65507A02A8@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<BAY132-W12EA796C8A6A84C13FEC35BA370@phx.gbl>
	<6478B1D7-F822-4FBA-BC72-B2B6BEB4E816@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<BAY132-W93B8FE31D232D98121CE8BA350@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <2ABBBFBD-FD85-4C66-9CCE-ACEE998D0BA5@durrant.co.uk>

Not picking on Jeff in particular, but please take individual  
negotiations off-list. Thanks.

Paul


On 26 Jun 2009, at 03:37, Jeff Hurst wrote:

>
> Simon,  What are you looking for and what is your bottom line as far  
> as cost?
>



From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com  Fri Jun 26 12:40:49 2009
From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 12:40:49 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] dead iPod for grabs
Message-ID: <694B07E4-062E-430B-98B8-760D4D8F51D4@ruthmurray.f2s.com>

HI folks

Can anyone make any use of a dead click wheel 20GB ipod? For free.
I have 'washed' my hands of it. Otherwise I will deluged with  
requests from Freecycle!

Ruth



From kelvinyoungs at mac.com  Fri Jun 26 13:21:31 2009
From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:21:31 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] dead iPod for grabs
In-Reply-To: <694B07E4-062E-430B-98B8-760D4D8F51D4@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
References: <694B07E4-062E-430B-98B8-760D4D8F51D4@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
Message-ID: <DC9D0FA0-4155-49AF-915E-3DDB149EC867@mac.com>

They are repairable Ruth? Is it the battery?
Kelvin

On 26 Jun 2009, at 12:40, Ruth Murray wrote:

> HI folks
>
> Can anyone make any use of a dead click wheel 20GB ipod?


From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com  Fri Jun 26 13:59:51 2009
From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:59:51 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] dead iPod for grabs
In-Reply-To: <DC9D0FA0-4155-49AF-915E-3DDB149EC867@mac.com>
References: <694B07E4-062E-430B-98B8-760D4D8F51D4@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
	<DC9D0FA0-4155-49AF-915E-3DDB149EC867@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B38BA649-F564-446C-A8AB-88EF4625559B@ruthmurray.f2s.com>

HI Kelvin

I have tried all the various recommendations.

It's not crucial I mend it - I have other iPods, I am attempting a  
big sort out and I just don't like unrepairable things littering the  
house.

I'm not asking folk to mend it, just whether they would like it.

Thanks anyway

Ruth




On 26 Jun 2009, at 13:21, Kelvin Youngs wrote:

> They are repairable Ruth? Is it the battery?
> Kelvin
>
> On 26 Jun 2009, at 12:40, Ruth Murray wrote:
>
>> HI folks
>>
>> Can anyone make any use of a dead click wheel 20GB ipod?
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Ruth Murray
ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com

Ruth Murray
Graphic Design and Illustration
01603 632334

Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net






From yahooist at anyisle.com  Fri Jun 26 14:05:50 2009
From: yahooist at anyisle.com (Neil S.)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:05:50 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Palm Software Removal
Message-ID: <8AA32663-BD76-48D4-8B47-B7DA22FFB6A1@anyisle.com>

Hi All,

	I have what is possibly a straight forward issue but one I haven't  
yet mastered - statup processes.

	Lingering in my configuration is something that causes Palm Desktop  
Background to startup on every boot. I would like to uninstall all  
Palm software but I am wary that deleting the Application file  
structure may leave certain things such as this startup request,  
hanging around, and I cannot find an uninstaller.

	Any help you can offer would be appreciated.

Regards...
Neil

P.S. I should say I have an iMac with 10.4.11 and the Palm s/w is 4.1



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Fri Jun 26 14:52:32 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 14:52:32 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Palm Software Removal
In-Reply-To: <8AA32663-BD76-48D4-8B47-B7DA22FFB6A1@anyisle.com>
References: <8AA32663-BD76-48D4-8B47-B7DA22FFB6A1@anyisle.com>
Message-ID: <39FAAE5F-3F70-4031-AC02-9B50E8357DF6@durrant.co.uk>

It's easy to remove. Go to System Preferences/Accounts/Login Items

Select the Palm Desktop Background item in the list and click on the -  
button.

regards,

Paul


On 26 Jun 2009, at 14:05, Neil S. wrote:
> 	I have what is possibly a straight forward issue but one I haven't
> yet mastered - statup processes.
>
> 	Lingering in my configuration is something that causes Palm Desktop
> Background to startup on every boot. I would like to uninstall all
> Palm software but I am wary that deleting the Application file
> structure may leave certain things such as this startup request,
> hanging around, and I cannot find an uninstaller.



From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Fri Jun 26 15:20:30 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:20:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] OS9 applications
Message-ID: <2A29F994-EB56-46B4-BBE2-1EC27E92351E@virgin.net>

Hi all

Although I am now on O/S 10.4.11 on My G4  in my applications folder  
I have the following:

  "Applications (Mac OS 9)" & Desktop (Mac OS 9)"

This is taking up valuable space!  can I safely delete these files as  
nothing I use needs O/S9 ?

martin

From yahooist at anyisle.com  Fri Jun 26 18:43:00 2009
From: yahooist at anyisle.com (Neil S.)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:43:00 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Palm Software Removal
In-Reply-To: <39FAAE5F-3F70-4031-AC02-9B50E8357DF6@durrant.co.uk>
References: <8AA32663-BD76-48D4-8B47-B7DA22FFB6A1@anyisle.com>
	<39FAAE5F-3F70-4031-AC02-9B50E8357DF6@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <51F7105B-63EB-4C20-8EA9-FE9AF264D7DD@anyisle.com>

Thank You Paul,

	I found it and got rid of it and another Palm hanger-on.

Regards...
Neil


On 26 Jun 2009, at 14:52, Paul Durrant wrote:

> It's easy to remove. Go to System Preferences/Accounts/Login Items
>
> Select the Palm Desktop Background item in the list and click on the -
> button.
>
> regards,
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 26 Jun 2009, at 14:05, Neil S. wrote:
>> 	I have what is possibly a straight forward issue but one I haven't
>> yet mastered - statup processes.
>>
>> 	Lingering in my configuration is something that causes Palm Desktop
>> Background to startup on every boot. I would like to uninstall all
>> Palm software but I am wary that deleting the Application file
>> structure may leave certain things such as this startup request,
>> hanging around, and I cannot find an uninstaller.
>
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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Fri Jun 26 18:58:25 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:58:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] OS9 applications
In-Reply-To: <2A29F994-EB56-46B4-BBE2-1EC27E92351E@virgin.net>
References: <2A29F994-EB56-46B4-BBE2-1EC27E92351E@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <42DF211B-FA02-4F6D-BF4C-E9035BF72944@durrant.co.uk>

If you're sure you don't run any of the applications in "Applications  
(Mac OS 9)" you can delete it. These don't jwork only when booted into  
Mac OS 9 - they also run in using Classic under Mac OS X.

If you never boot into Mac OS 9, you can safely delete the "Desktop  
(Mac OS 9)" folder. Don't gorget to check it for files you want to  
keep first.

Paul


On 26 Jun 2009, at 15:20, Martin Fry wrote:
>
> Although I am now on O/S 10.4.11 on My G4  in my applications folder
> I have the following:
>
>  "Applications (Mac OS 9)" & Desktop (Mac OS 9)"
>
> This is taking up valuable space!  can I safely delete these files as
> nothing I use needs O/S9 ?



From allanmacam at me.com  Fri Jun 26 23:02:39 2009
From: allanmacam at me.com (Allan)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:02:39 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Little Snitch
Message-ID: <4833A364-E53C-4CCF-BA6A-3DE1A5AA7F67@me.com>

Some time ago there was a thread about some users frustrations and  
problems with using Little Snitch.

Interesting article here

http://tinylink.co.za/75fb70

Allan Johns


From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com  Sat Jun 27 00:19:30 2009
From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (Simon Bainbridge)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:19:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: Quickword for iPhone ON SALE $4.99
References: <4b2fde2f631aefafe468cdc486b1dd00@news.quickoffice.com>
Message-ID: <64E61F62-1271-427F-9C6A-E433595CAD7E@googlemail.com>

Think is a must buy iPhone / iPod Touch app especially while at this  
low price.

Simon Bainbridge

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Quickoffice News" <qonews at news.quickoffice.com>
> Date: 26 June 2009 23:27:06 BST
> To: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com
> Subject: Quickword for iPhone ON SALE $4.99
> Reply-To: qonews at news.quickoffice.com
>
> Having trouble reading this email? View it in your browser.
> 		Quickoffice
> Quickword? for iPhone now ON SALE!
>
> The next 1,000 customers can purchase for only $4.99, over 60%  
> SAVINGS from regular price of $12.99! Limited time only.
>
> Buy Now
>
>
> Enjoy superior Microsoft? Word document editing. Easily email or  
> transfer files without MS Exchange?. No desktop client installation  
> required!
>
> Quickoffice is known worldwide for delivering best-in-class mobile  
> office software. Now for a limited time, we are offering our great  
> software at an incredible price. At Quickoffice, we are committed to  
> bringing our customers the best mobile office software at the best  
> value.
>
> Reasons to buy Quickword vs. any other solution:
> ?  Fast and responsive app performance
> ?  No desktop client to install - simple browser file transfer from  
> any computer
> ?  Robust, rich features for power users such as two finger zoom
> ?  No need to purchase MS Exchange? to email files
> ?  Very easy to use, intuitive UI ? no confusing menus
> ?  Easy access and sharing of files
> ?  100% data integrity ? guaranteed Microsoft compatibility
> ?  Responsive customer service ? 24/7 support
> ?  Simply works better!
>
> Quickword? offers 5 powerful products in 1 simple application:
> ?  Edit Word documents
> ?  Transfer desktop files via WiFi
> ?  Remotely access MobileMe iDisk accounts
> ?  Email files directly via iPhone
> ?  Mount your device as a drive
> ?  Easy access and sharing of files
>
> Hurry - this is for a limited time only!
>
> Buy Now
>
> Learn More
>
>
>
> This message was intended for '2003r2tech at googlemail.com'.
> You have received this message because you are subscribed to  
> 'MobileFiles for iPhone Users' - Unsubscribe
> Quickoffice, Inc.



From band1 at mac.com  Sat Jun 27 09:02:23 2009
From: band1 at mac.com (David King)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 09:02:23 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] formatting memory sticks
Message-ID: <E45E00EE-E2A9-466A-9386-D1D074D251CE@mac.com>

I have a contact who wants to know how to format a memory stick.  I  
don't have one but assumed they would be just plug in and go but  
seemingly not.  Do you do it through Disk utility?

This is what he says.  Can anyone help please?

'As a follow up to our joint offer of advice to Darren re: his Mac ...  
would you possibly have discovered how or where (or even if it is  
possible) to format memory sticks via your Mac? I now have three  
sticks that I wish to use as lecture/presentation back-ups that  
actually read as empty when opened, but must contain hidden info'  
somewhere, as they will not accept the transfer of even very small  
files - a lack of memory message comes up every time. (They are not  
locked, by the way)? Quite frustrating!

David


From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk  Sat Jun 27 09:12:14 2009
From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 09:12:14 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] formatting memory sticks
In-Reply-To: <E45E00EE-E2A9-466A-9386-D1D074D251CE@mac.com>
References: <E45E00EE-E2A9-466A-9386-D1D074D251CE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4108C234-C17D-48A0-8368-C212D2CDFD87@freeflightsupplies.co.uk>

I've had this issue. The way that I cleared, the same as compact flash  
cards, was to open the stick drag the contents to trash on the desk  
top. Empty trash before removing the stick. This should clear the  
stick. Simply moving to trash then removing the stick or card before  
clearing trash will leave it as trash on the stick/card.

Michael Woodhouse
mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk
http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/




On 27 Jun 2009, at 09:02, David King wrote:

> I have a contact who wants to know how to format a memory stick.  I
> don't have one but assumed they would be just plug in and go but
> seemingly not.  Do you do it through Disk utility?
>
> This is what he says.  Can anyone help please?
>
> 'As a follow up to our joint offer of advice to Darren re: his Mac ...
> would you possibly have discovered how or where (or even if it is
> possible) to format memory sticks via your Mac? I now have three
> sticks that I wish to use as lecture/presentation back-ups that
> actually read as empty when opened, but must contain hidden info'
> somewhere, as they will not accept the transfer of even very small
> files - a lack of memory message comes up every time. (They are not
> locked, by the way)? Quite frustrating!
>
> David
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sat Jun 27 09:13:19 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 09:13:19 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] formatting memory sticks
In-Reply-To: <E45E00EE-E2A9-466A-9386-D1D074D251CE@mac.com>
References: <E45E00EE-E2A9-466A-9386-D1D074D251CE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <37BA8BBC-82D3-4F70-B648-ABDD68FC78EB@durrant.co.uk>

Format them in Disk Utility, just like any other disk.

If they're only going to be used with Macs, format as HFS+ is best.  
For use with Windows and Unix machines as well as Macs, format as FAT32

(As Michael says, it's possible that they're full of files in the  
trash.)

Paul

On 27 Jun 2009, at 09:02, David King wrote:

> I have a contact who wants to know how to format a memory stick.  I
> don't have one but assumed they would be just plug in and go but
> seemingly not.  Do you do it through Disk utility?
>
> This is what he says.  Can anyone help please?
>
> 'As a follow up to our joint offer of advice to Darren re: his Mac ...
> would you possibly have discovered how or where (or even if it is
> possible) to format memory sticks via your Mac? I now have three
> sticks that I wish to use as lecture/presentation back-ups that
> actually read as empty when opened, but must contain hidden info'
> somewhere, as they will not accept the transfer of even very small
> files - a lack of memory message comes up every time. (They are not
> locked, by the way)? Quite frustrating!



From band1 at mac.com  Sat Jun 27 09:21:53 2009
From: band1 at mac.com (David King)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 09:21:53 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] formatting memory sticks
In-Reply-To: <37BA8BBC-82D3-4F70-B648-ABDD68FC78EB@durrant.co.uk>
References: <E45E00EE-E2A9-466A-9386-D1D074D251CE@mac.com>
	<37BA8BBC-82D3-4F70-B648-ABDD68FC78EB@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C32F4DFC-9695-471D-B676-E1188CA96CD6@mac.com>

Thanks Paul and Michael.

I thought Disk utility was the answer but have sent him both replies  
and told him to take Michaels advice first and Pauls from there on.

regards

David



On 27 Jun 2009, at 09:13, Paul Durrant wrote:

> Format them in Disk Utility, just like any other disk.
>
> If they're only going to be used with Macs, format as HFS+ is best.
> For use with Windows and Unix machines as well as Macs, format as  
> FAT32
>
> (As Michael says, it's possible that they're full of files in the
> trash.)
>
> Paul
>
> On 27 Jun 2009, at 09:02, David King wrote:
>
>> I have a contact who wants to know how to format a memory stick.  I
>> don't have one but assumed they would be just plug in and go but
>> seemingly not.  Do you do it through Disk utility?
>>
>> This is what he says.  Can anyone help please?
>>
>> 'As a follow up to our joint offer of advice to Darren re: his  
>> Mac ...
>> would you possibly have discovered how or where (or even if it is
>> possible) to format memory sticks via your Mac? I now have three
>> sticks that I wish to use as lecture/presentation back-ups that
>> actually read as empty when opened, but must contain hidden info'
>> somewhere, as they will not accept the transfer of even very small
>> files - a lack of memory message comes up every time. (They are not
>> locked, by the way)? Quite frustrating!
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat Jun 27 10:37:31 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (=?UTF-8?B?U2ltb24gUm95YWw=?=)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 09:37:31 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] =?utf-8?q?Bob_The_Builder_Is_A_Mac_User?=
Message-ID: <1246095451645@mail_simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi. I was watching a Bob The Builder video with my kids this morning. 

There was an advert for the new Bob website and when Wendy turned on their computer it gave a Mac start up bong. 

Simon
--- visit http://www.simonroyal.co.uk (sent using Nokia 6111)

From karl.hortt at btinternet.com  Sat Jun 27 11:09:54 2009
From: karl.hortt at btinternet.com (Karl hortt)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 11:09:54 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: Quickword for iPhone ON SALE $4.99
In-Reply-To: <64E61F62-1271-427F-9C6A-E433595CAD7E@googlemail.com>
References: <4b2fde2f631aefafe468cdc486b1dd00@news.quickoffice.com>
	<64E61F62-1271-427F-9C6A-E433595CAD7E@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <9C0F19FC-C72A-4753-BFF4-0C58F28DB91A@btinternet.com>


Hi Simon,

Thanks for the recommendation for this app

Just installed it

really useful

has anyone got any must have apps for the Iphone ?

I use the Sky Plus app, really easy to use


regards

Karl






On 27 Jun 2009, at 00:19, Simon Bainbridge wrote:

> Think is a must buy iPhone / iPod Touch app especially while at this
> low price.
>
> Simon Bainbridge
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: "Quickoffice News" <qonews at news.quickoffice.com>
>> Date: 26 June 2009 23:27:06 BST
>> To: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com
>> Subject: Quickword for iPhone ON SALE $4.99
>> Reply-To: qonews at news.quickoffice.com
>>
>> Having trouble reading this email? View it in your browser.
>> 		Quickoffice
>> Quickword? for iPhone now ON SALE!
>>
>> The next 1,000 customers can purchase for only $4.99, over 60%
>> SAVINGS from regular price of $12.99! Limited time only.
>>
>> Buy Now
>>
>>
>> Enjoy superior Microsoft? Word document editing. Easily email or
>> transfer files without MS Exchange?. No desktop client installation
>> required!
>>
>> Quickoffice is known worldwide for delivering best-in-class mobile
>> office software. Now for a limited time, we are offering our great
>> software at an incredible price. At Quickoffice, we are committed to
>> bringing our customers the best mobile office software at the best
>> value.
>>
>> Reasons to buy Quickword vs. any other solution:
>> ?  Fast and responsive app performance
>> ?  No desktop client to install - simple browser file transfer from
>> any computer
>> ?  Robust, rich features for power users such as two finger zoom
>> ?  No need to purchase MS Exchange? to email files
>> ?  Very easy to use, intuitive UI ? no confusing menus
>> ?  Easy access and sharing of files
>> ?  100% data integrity ? guaranteed Microsoft compatibility
>> ?  Responsive customer service ? 24/7 support
>> ?  Simply works better!
>>
>> Quickword? offers 5 powerful products in 1 simple application:
>> ?  Edit Word documents
>> ?  Transfer desktop files via WiFi
>> ?  Remotely access MobileMe iDisk accounts
>> ?  Email files directly via iPhone
>> ?  Mount your device as a drive
>> ?  Easy access and sharing of files
>>
>> Hurry - this is for a limited time only!
>>
>> Buy Now
>>
>> Learn More
>>
>>
>>
>> This message was intended for '2003r2tech at googlemail.com'.
>> You have received this message because you are subscribed to
>> 'MobileFiles for iPhone Users' - Unsubscribe
>> Quickoffice, Inc.
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Sat Jun 27 18:34:40 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:34:40 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Freezing G4
Message-ID: <4AE38CB7-5E1D-4C46-BFD4-79AD0E9A60EB@virgin.net>

Hi all

My G4 has been freezing completely lots of times in the last few days  
& I have had to press the main button to close down the computer.

I have run mac janitor but this has not helped.  My next task is to  
run disk utilities from the system disk but I have forgotten which  
key I hold down on startup

Can someone help please

regards

Martin


www.martinfryphotography.com



From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Sat Jun 27 18:40:43 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 18:40:43 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Freezing G4
In-Reply-To: <4AE38CB7-5E1D-4C46-BFD4-79AD0E9A60EB@virgin.net>
References: <4AE38CB7-5E1D-4C46-BFD4-79AD0E9A60EB@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <32FA1643-E77D-4A63-9A92-DC26EFE0456E@zen.co.uk>

C?

Isn't it printed on the disk or in help?
Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 27 Jun 2009, at 18:34, Martin Fry wrote:

> Hi all
>
> My G4 has been freezing completely lots of times in the last few days
> & I have had to press the main button to close down the computer.
>
> I have run mac janitor but this has not helped.  My next task is to
> run disk utilities from the system disk but I have forgotten which
> key I hold down on startup
>
> Can someone help please
>
> regards
>
> Martin
>
>
> www.martinfryphotography.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Sat Jun 27 19:20:41 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 19:20:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Freezing G4
In-Reply-To: <32FA1643-E77D-4A63-9A92-DC26EFE0456E@zen.co.uk>
References: <4AE38CB7-5E1D-4C46-BFD4-79AD0E9A60EB@virgin.net>
	<32FA1643-E77D-4A63-9A92-DC26EFE0456E@zen.co.uk>
Message-ID: <47C214D7-87C7-4C58-9F9E-B851884E0F93@virgin.net>


Hi  Steven


It is now!

many thanks


> C?
>
> Isn't it printed on the disk


From band1 at mac.com  Sun Jun 28 00:08:34 2009
From: band1 at mac.com (David King)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 00:08:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] formatting memory sticks
Message-ID: <8F688B28-47F8-44F6-BB6F-621A9C617037@mac.com>

Following the previous answers by Michael and Paul I have received the  
following from our friend .  He has tried what was advised and seems  
to have drawn a blank.  This is what he says:-

Many thanks for your very kind assistance.
The first answer would certainly work, where the memory stick is  
actually showing the presence of items on the memory, but each of the  
sticks I have tried are stating that they are empty (but then refuse  
to accept even the tiniest of files). Three different size sticks,  
three different makes, but all showing the same error message? Very  
strange?
Similarly, in the Disk Utility option, the choice of format disk does  
not appear ... it does ask if you want to EMPTY the disk, but then  
can't find anything to empty? I may be forced to dig out the old  
Windows computer to see if it is the same on there!

Any one have any idea what can be done?

David



From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk  Sun Jun 28 01:22:24 2009
From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 01:22:24 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] formatting memory sticks
In-Reply-To: <8F688B28-47F8-44F6-BB6F-621A9C617037@mac.com>
References: <8F688B28-47F8-44F6-BB6F-621A9C617037@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F9A21C47-BBFF-4455-9154-EB3A91D195E4@freeflightsupplies.co.uk>

Just had a little play.

I transfered some data onto the memory stick and had a look at the  
info status and he showed how much had been used. The "get info" is in  
that little box with the thing that looks like a small cog wheel.

I trashed the files and removed the memory stick. But I didn't empty  
the trash

I reinserted the memory stick and it was clear of images, however the  
info still showed space having been filled.

I'm now emptying the trash and watching the spare space creep back to  
where it should be.

So all I can suggest is to take a look at the info about the stick  
that will show the capacity available and used. If there are trashed  
files trying emptying again with the stick in situ.

Michael Woodhouse
mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk
http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/




On 28 Jun 2009, at 00:08, David King wrote:

> Following the previous answers by Michael and Paul I have received the
> following from our friend .  He has tried what was advised and seems
> to have drawn a blank.  This is what he says:-
>
> Many thanks for your very kind assistance.
> The first answer would certainly work, where the memory stick is
> actually showing the presence of items on the memory, but each of the
> sticks I have tried are stating that they are empty (but then refuse
> to accept even the tiniest of files). Three different size sticks,
> three different makes, but all showing the same error message? Very
> strange?
> Similarly, in the Disk Utility option, the choice of format disk does
> not appear ... it does ask if you want to EMPTY the disk, but then
> can't find anything to empty? I may be forced to dig out the old
> Windows computer to see if it is the same on there!
>
> Any one have any idea what can be done?
>
> David
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sun Jun 28 09:45:38 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 09:45:38 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] formatting memory sticks
In-Reply-To: <8F688B28-47F8-44F6-BB6F-621A9C617037@mac.com>
References: <8F688B28-47F8-44F6-BB6F-621A9C617037@mac.com>
Message-ID: <A45B3C44-CCF5-4E17-9224-9753BCBEA753@durrant.co.uk>

I don't know of any EMPTY command in Disk Utility. I suspect he may be  
having problems operating Disk Utility.

Having double-checked, I do see that to format the disk, the required  
button is marked "Erase" rather than "Format". Perhaps this has  
confused him?

Perhaps your friend could join up and ask directly?

Paul


On 28 Jun 2009, at 00:08, David King wrote:

> Following the previous answers by Michael and Paul I have received the
> following from our friend .  He has tried what was advised and seems
> to have drawn a blank.  This is what he says:-
>
> Many thanks for your very kind assistance.
> The first answer would certainly work, where the memory stick is
> actually showing the presence of items on the memory, but each of the
> sticks I have tried are stating that they are empty (but then refuse
> to accept even the tiniest of files). Three different size sticks,
> three different makes, but all showing the same error message? Very
> strange?
> Similarly, in the Disk Utility option, the choice of format disk does
> not appear ... it does ask if you want to EMPTY the disk, but then
> can't find anything to empty? I may be forced to dig out the old
> Windows computer to see if it is the same on there!
>
> Any one have any idea what can be done?



From band1 at mac.com  Sun Jun 28 11:06:06 2009
From: band1 at mac.com (David King)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 11:06:06 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] formatting memory sticks
In-Reply-To: <A45B3C44-CCF5-4E17-9224-9753BCBEA753@durrant.co.uk>
References: <8F688B28-47F8-44F6-BB6F-621A9C617037@mac.com>
	<A45B3C44-CCF5-4E17-9224-9753BCBEA753@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <B8D5EF1D-E9AD-4D7F-89DF-2F31B01A73EA@mac.com>

Thanks Paul and Michael.  I will pass on the advice and the invitation.

David


On 28 Jun 2009, at 09:45, Paul Durrant wrote:

> I don't know of any EMPTY command in Disk Utility. I suspect he may be
> having problems operating Disk Utility.
>
> Having double-checked, I do see that to format the disk, the required
> button is marked "Erase" rather than "Format". Perhaps this has
> confused him?
>
> Perhaps your friend could join up and ask directly?
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 28 Jun 2009, at 00:08, David King wrote:
>
>> Following the previous answers by Michael and Paul I have received  
>> the
>> following from our friend .  He has tried what was advised and seems
>> to have drawn a blank.  This is what he says:-
>>
>> Many thanks for your very kind assistance.
>> The first answer would certainly work, where the memory stick is
>> actually showing the presence of items on the memory, but each of the
>> sticks I have tried are stating that they are empty (but then refuse
>> to accept even the tiniest of files). Three different size sticks,
>> three different makes, but all showing the same error message? Very
>> strange?
>> Similarly, in the Disk Utility option, the choice of format disk does
>> not appear ... it does ask if you want to EMPTY the disk, but then
>> can't find anything to empty? I may be forced to dig out the old
>> Windows computer to see if it is the same on there!
>>
>> Any one have any idea what can be done?
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From fowler.j at me.com  Mon Jun 29 15:04:02 2009
From: fowler.j at me.com (Jonathan Fowler)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:04:02 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Paul Durrant
Message-ID: <B7C24BBE-B06D-470B-8921-FCE35541B5F8@me.com>

Hi Paul

Sorry to contact you by these means but could you contact me ASAP,  
regarding the clearance machines I have.

Thanks

Jon
ASC @ PCW Norwich


From fowler.j at mac.com  Mon Jun 29 16:13:31 2009
From: fowler.j at mac.com (Jonathan Fowler)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:13:31 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Apple clearance stock at PCW
Message-ID: <62817761-4111-485F-B9CC-B0A0DC6F3994@mac.com>

  Hi Fellow NMUGgers

As most of you are aware, I am an apple employee based in PC World,  
Sweet Briar Retail Park.  Due to various upgrades over the past year,  
I have been left with a number of clearance machines. These are the  
machines I have:

Laptops

MacBook Pro 15.4"    	MB166    	Old Aluminium Chassis   	250Gb HD, 2Gb  
DDR2 RAM, 2.4Ghz
Was ?1699 	 -    		NOW   ?1349		1 available

MacBook 13"  		 MB466  	New Aluminium Chassis  	 2.0Ghz, 2Gb DDR3 RAM,  
160Gb HD
Was ?925    	-     		 NOW    ?799   		2 available

MacBook Pro 15.4"	MB134		Old Aluminium Chassis	160Gb HD, 2Gb DDR2 RAM,  
2.2Gz
Was ?1399	-		NOW  ?899			1 available

MacBook Pro 15.4"	MB470		New Aluminium Chassis	2.4Ghz, 2Gb DDR3 RAM,  
250Gb HD
Was ?1320	-		NOW  ?1149			1 available

MacBook Air 13"		MB543		New Aluminium Chassis	1.83Ghz, 2Gb DDR2 RAM,  
120Gb HD
Was ?1299	-		NOW  ?999			1 available

MacBook 13"		MB881		White Chassis			2.0Ghz, 2Gb DDR2 RAM, 120Gb HD
Was ?719	-		NOW  ?679			4 available

MacBook 13"		MB402		White Chassis			2.0Ghz, 1Gb DDR2 RAM, 120Gb HD
Was ?699	-		NOW  ?599			1 available

MacBook 13"		MB467		New Aluminium Chassis	2.4Ghz, 2Gb DDR3 RAM, 250Gb HD
Was ?1149	-		NOW  ?949			2 available


Desktops

20" iMac				2.4Ghz, 2Gb DDR2 RAM, 320Gb HD
Was ?949	-		NOW  ?749		1 available

24" iMac				2.8Ghz, 2Gb DDR2 RAM, 320GB HD
Was ?1199	-		NOW ?899		3 available

20" Cinema Display
Was ?399	-		NOW  ?329

If interested please contact me on either 07894949043 or fowler.j at me.com

Jon





From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Jun 29 19:49:55 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 19:49:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Paul Durrant
In-Reply-To: <B7C24BBE-B06D-470B-8921-FCE35541B5F8@me.com>
References: <B7C24BBE-B06D-470B-8921-FCE35541B5F8@me.com>
Message-ID: <A9D0C430-0FE0-4F09-A3EB-2EA957D12602@durrant.co.uk>

Hi Jon,

What can I do for you?

regards,

Paul

On 29 Jun 2009, at 15:04, Jonathan Fowler wrote:

> Hi Paul
>
> Sorry to contact you by these means but could you contact me ASAP,
> regarding the clearance machines I have.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jon
> ASC @ PCW Norwich
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Jun 29 20:03:42 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:03:42 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Paul Durrant
In-Reply-To: <A9D0C430-0FE0-4F09-A3EB-2EA957D12602@durrant.co.uk>
References: <B7C24BBE-B06D-470B-8921-FCE35541B5F8@me.com>
	<A9D0C430-0FE0-4F09-A3EB-2EA957D12602@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <466A62FA-821F-47D6-A9B0-4FECA8CFE3A5@durrant.co.uk>

Whoops!

It happens to all of us....

Paul

On 29 Jun 2009, at 19:49, Paul Durrant wrote:

> Hi Jon,
>
> What can I do for you?
>
> regards,
>
> Paul
>
> On 29 Jun 2009, at 15:04, Jonathan Fowler wrote:
>
>> Hi Paul
>>
>> Sorry to contact you by these means but could you contact me ASAP,
>> regarding the clearance machines I have.
>>



From steve.forst at virgin.net  Mon Jun 29 21:12:31 2009
From: steve.forst at virgin.net (Steve Forster)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:12:31 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhone charger
Message-ID: <C66EDEBF.1BF43%steve.forst@virgin.net>

Does anyone have any experience of battery powered iPhone chargers?

Ideally I?d like one that will run off rechargeable AA?s and also charge an
iPod, but open to suggestions. I?ve seen Duracell and Energiser ones
advertised but have heard they aren?t happy with rechargeables. (I?ve got
quite a few rechargeable AA?s so was hoping to be able to use them as I?ll
be away from mains power for  4 or 5 days). Are any solar powered ones any
good?

Any advice (or warnings!) gratefully received.

Thanks

-- 
Steve Forster



From davidenglish at mac.com  Mon Jun 29 21:34:04 2009
From: davidenglish at mac.com (David English)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:34:04 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhone charger
Message-ID: <104206922493835920069501908822708209788-Webmail@me.com>

Hi 

I have found the power monkey useful. May be not quite what you were asking about if you have your own rechargeables. Comes with a range of plugs including USB. International charging options They do also  have a solar power add on.

David


From steve.forst at virgin.net  Mon Jun 29 22:25:49 2009
From: steve.forst at virgin.net (Steve Forster)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:25:49 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhone charger
In-Reply-To: <104206922493835920069501908822708209788-Webmail@me.com>
Message-ID: <C66EEFED.1BF50%steve.forst@virgin.net>

Thanks David, just found it with a Google search. Will a fully charged one
provide more than one iPhone charge?
 
Steve F




From: David English <davidenglish at mac.com>
Reply-To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:34:04 +0100
To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [NMUG] iPhone charger

Hi 

I have found the power monkey useful. May be not quite what you were asking
about if you have your own rechargeables. Comes with a range of plugs
including USB. International charging options They do also  have a solar
power add on.

David
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From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com  Mon Jun 29 22:52:51 2009
From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (Simon Bainbridge)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:52:51 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhone charger
In-Reply-To: <C66EDEBF.1BF43%steve.forst@virgin.net>
References: <C66EDEBF.1BF43%steve.forst@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <2DD8C178-BE09-44F2-AB1C-D71FB33449E6@googlemail.com>

Steve

Try a Solio (solar powered) iPod charger the have had great reviews in  
the Mac community.

Simon Bainbridge

On 29 Jun 2009, at 21:12, Steve Forster wrote:

> Does anyone have any experience of battery powered iPhone chargers?
>
> Ideally I?d like one that will run off rechargeable AA?s and also  
> charge an
> iPod, but open to suggestions. I?ve seen Duracell and Energiser ones
> advertised but have heard they aren?t happy with rechargeables.  
> (I?ve got
> quite a few rechargeable AA?s so was hoping to be able to use them  
> as I?ll
> be away from mains power for  4 or 5 days). Are any solar powered  
> ones any
> good?
>
> Any advice (or warnings!) gratefully received.
>
> Thanks
>
> -- 
> Steve Forster
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From davidenglish at mac.com  Tue Jun 30 08:33:44 2009
From: davidenglish at mac.com (David English)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:33:44 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhone charger
Message-ID: <70237170612242101613747024151798943136-Webmail@me.com>

Hi Steve

Good question. Never tried. Certainly one full charge. I'll try it out for more. Let you know in a day or two.

David


From steve.forst at virgin.net  Tue Jun 30 08:57:30 2009
From: steve.forst at virgin.net (Steve Forster)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:57:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhone charger
In-Reply-To: <2DD8C178-BE09-44F2-AB1C-D71FB33449E6@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <C66F83FA.1BF5B%steve.forst@virgin.net>

Looks good. The obvious question is how well they charge if it?s not all
that sunny, but I guess only trial will answer that.
S



From: Simon Bainbridge <2003r2tech at googlemail.com>
Reply-To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:52:51 +0100
To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [NMUG] iPhone charger

Steve

Try a Solio (solar powered) iPod charger the have had great reviews in
the Mac community.

Simon Bainbridge

On 29 Jun 2009, at 21:12, Steve Forster wrote:

> Does anyone have any experience of battery powered iPhone chargers?
>
> Ideally I?d like one that will run off rechargeable AA?s and also
> charge an
> iPod, but open to suggestions. I?ve seen Duracell and Energiser ones
> advertised but have heard they aren?t happy with rechargeables.
> (I?ve got
> quite a few rechargeable AA?s so was hoping to be able to use them
> as I?ll
> be away from mains power for  4 or 5 days). Are any solar powered
> ones any
> good?
>
> Any advice (or warnings!) gratefully received.
>
> Thanks
>
> -- 
> Steve Forster
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

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From minkennison at mac.com  Tue Jun 30 10:37:02 2009
From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:37:02 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhone charger
In-Reply-To: <C66F83FA.1BF5B%steve.forst@virgin.net>
References: <C66F83FA.1BF5B%steve.forst@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <A0F9871E-5590-4342-9834-1A81764541B4@mac.com>

If you have a vehicle available I can lend you my car charger
Min
On 30 Jun 2009, at 08:5730 Jun 2009, Steve Forster wrote:

> Looks good. The obvious question is how well they charge if it?s not  
> all
> that sunny, but I guess only trial will answer that.
> S
>
>
>
> From: Simon Bainbridge <2003r2tech at googlemail.com>
> Reply-To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:52:51 +0100
> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] iPhone charger
>
> Steve
>
> Try a Solio (solar powered) iPod charger the have had great reviews in
> the Mac community.
>
> Simon Bainbridge
>
> On 29 Jun 2009, at 21:12, Steve Forster wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have any experience of battery powered iPhone chargers?
>>
>> Ideally I?d like one that will run off rechargeable AA?s and also
>> charge an
>> iPod, but open to suggestions. I?ve seen Duracell and Energiser ones
>> advertised but have heard they aren?t happy with rechargeables.
>> (I?ve got
>> quite a few rechargeable AA?s so was hoping to be able to use them
>> as I?ll
>> be away from mains power for  4 or 5 days). Are any solar powered
>> ones any
>> good?
>>
>> Any advice (or warnings!) gratefully received.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> -- 
>> Steve Forster
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
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From steve.forst at virgin.net  Tue Jun 30 11:09:38 2009
From: steve.forst at virgin.net (Steve Forster)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:09:38 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhone charger
In-Reply-To: <A0F9871E-5590-4342-9834-1A81764541B4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C66FA2F2.1BF66%steve.forst@virgin.net>

Thanks Min, that?s an incredibly kind offer. We?ll be in a rather aged
camper van and I?m not certain that the lighter socket works but will check
it out when I can and let you know.

Thanks again

S



From: Min Kennison <minkennison at mac.com>
Reply-To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 10:37:02 +0100
To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [NMUG] iPhone charger

If you have a vehicle available I can lend you my car charger
Min
On 30 Jun 2009, at 08:5730 Jun 2009, Steve Forster wrote:

> Looks good. The obvious question is how well they charge if it?s not
> all
> that sunny, but I guess only trial will answer that.
> S
>
>
>
> From: Simon Bainbridge <2003r2tech at googlemail.com>
> Reply-To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:52:51 +0100
> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] iPhone charger
>
> Steve
>
> Try a Solio (solar powered) iPod charger the have had great reviews in
> the Mac community.
>
> Simon Bainbridge
>
> On 29 Jun 2009, at 21:12, Steve Forster wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have any experience of battery powered iPhone chargers?
>>
>> Ideally I?d like one that will run off rechargeable AA?s and also
>> charge an
>> iPod, but open to suggestions. I?ve seen Duracell and Energiser ones
>> advertised but have heard they aren?t happy with rechargeables.
>> (I?ve got
>> quite a few rechargeable AA?s so was hoping to be able to use them
>> as I?ll
>> be away from mains power for  4 or 5 days). Are any solar powered
>> ones any
>> good?
>>
>> Any advice (or warnings!) gratefully received.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> -- 
>> Steve Forster
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue Jun 30 11:14:13 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:14:13 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] formatting memory sticks
In-Reply-To: <B8D5EF1D-E9AD-4D7F-89DF-2F31B01A73EA@mac.com>
References: <8F688B28-47F8-44F6-BB6F-621A9C617037@mac.com>
	<A45B3C44-CCF5-4E17-9224-9753BCBEA753@durrant.co.uk>
	<B8D5EF1D-E9AD-4D7F-89DF-2F31B01A73EA@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20E21080-2AB1-4FE8-BB25-8258B4135E05@durrant.co.uk>

Here's an article from the latest TidBITS that I think will help. It's  
written for external hard disks, but will also apply to memory sticks.  
I suspect that the advice I gave was wrong, or at best incomplete.

http://db.tidbits.com/article/10307

How to Reformat a New External Hard Disk
by Matt Neuburg 
-------------- next part --------------

Reformatting a new external hard disk? You wouldn't think this would  
constitute any challenge, would you? You start up Disk Utility, you  
select the external disk, you switch to the Erase panel, and you take  
a deep breath and click Erase, right? Wrong.

It happens that, perhaps because of the changing economics of external  
hard disk acquisition (fancy talk for "they've gotten a lot cheaper  
lately"), I've recently had to reformat several new external hard  
disks. These include a shirt-pocket sized Maxtor Mini for taking my  
compressed music collection along on airplane trips, a larger Maxtor  
OneTouch that I made a friend buy when I discovered that his wife's  
compulsive ripping of The Prisoner episodes from the local library had  
filled up her iMac's internal disk, an AcomData to serve as my  
mother's iMac's Time Machine backup, and most recently a whopping 1 TB  
Fantom GreenDrive, a rugged, cool, silent machine that I picked up for  
less than $100 at Buy.com. In every case I started by trying to use  
Disk Utility's Erase panel, and in every case I encountered some sort  
of initial failure. In the case of the Fantom drive, there were even  
printed instructions saying to do this, and they were wrong. Wrong, I  
tell you!

So, since experience has taught me the right way (repeatedly, because  
I so readily forget what experience has taught me), I'm going to give  
you the benefit thereof and put this canard to rest once and for all.  
This is what you do:

Launch Disk Utility. Plug the new external drive into your computer,  
provide it with power as needed, and switch it on. When the new disk  
appears in Disk Utility, select itstop-level icon. (I stress this  
because the disk is represented by two icons, one for the physical  
disk, as it were, and one for the single volume it contains.) Now  
switch, not to Erase, but to Partition.

On the Partition pane, everything will appear to be greyed out, as if  
you had encountered a brick wall. That's because before you can do  
anything, you have to change the partition arrangement, using the  
Volume Scheme pop-up menu. You have to do this even if you don't  
actually want to change the number of partitions. So, the Volume  
Scheme pop-up menu starts out saying Current. Change that. The minimal  
change is to 1 Partition. I'm not going to tell you that you need any  
more partitions than one, or how big they should be; that's up to you,  
and depends on how this disk will be used.

Now stop. Stop! I know you think the next thing to do is give the  
drive a name and assign it a format - probably Mac OS Extended  
(Journaled), the default (and rightly so). But don't do it yet. See  
the Options button below the rectangular graphic depicting your  
partition scheme? Click it. Click it! This is the key, all-important  
step. From this one step stems all the trouble or goodness, the  
success or failure that your reformatting of this new external hard  
disk will be met with.

Why? Because there are three possible partition schemes, and many  
disks come with Master Boot Record, which is absolutely wrong for a  
Mac. You must choose between GUID Partition Table and Apple Partition  
Map. The latter is the most universal for use with Macs; you can't go  
wrong this way, unless you want to use the disk as a startup disk. If  
you do, then your choice here depends on what kind of Mac you want to  
start up from this disk. Intel-based Macs prefer GUID Partition Table;  
they can boot from disks partitioned using Apple Partition Map, but  
won't let you install Leopard to such disks directly (you must clone a  
copy of Leopard from a GUID-partitioned disk to get this to work), and  
will prevent you from installing firmware updates on your Mac while  
you're booted from such a disk. On the other hand, PowerPC-based Macs  
can boot only from an Apple Partition Map disk. (See Jonathan "Wolf"  
Rentzsch's "Booting an Intel iMac from an External Drive,"  
2006-01-30.) Apple also cautions that the same distinction applies if  
the disk is to be used as a Time Machine backup, though I'm not  
entirely certain why.

So choose your partition scheme and click OK. Now enter a volume name  
and a format, and click Apply. Presto! The disk is reformatted in the  
twinkling of an eye, and is ready for use.

On 28 Jun 2009, at 11:06, David King wrote:

> Thanks Paul and Michael.  I will pass on the advice and the  
> invitation.
>
> David
>


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Jun 30 11:47:55 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:47:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] formatting memory sticks
In-Reply-To: <20E21080-2AB1-4FE8-BB25-8258B4135E05@durrant.co.uk>
References: <8F688B28-47F8-44F6-BB6F-621A9C617037@mac.com>
	<A45B3C44-CCF5-4E17-9224-9753BCBEA753@durrant.co.uk>
	<B8D5EF1D-E9AD-4D7F-89DF-2F31B01A73EA@mac.com>
	<20E21080-2AB1-4FE8-BB25-8258B4135E05@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <68FFD7E6-20FD-45B4-933B-1F6C4CB93269@simonroyal.co.uk>

Paul

Excellent tutorial for people who need it. Sometimes we take for  
granted the knowledge we have or the procedures we do blind or without  
thinking about.

For a novice, it is a complicated or indepth procedure. Something I  
hadn't given much thought, just gone ahead and done in a frenzy or tab  
changes and button clicks.

Simon

On 30 Jun 2009, at 11:14, Paul Durrant wrote:

> Here's an article from the latest TidBITS that I think will help.  
> It's written for external hard disks, but will also apply to memory  
> sticks. I suspect that the advice I gave was wrong, or at best  
> incomplete.
>
> http://db.tidbits.com/article/10307
>
> How to Reformat a New External Hard Disk
> by Matt Neuburg
> Reformatting a new external hard disk? You wouldn't think this would  
> constitute any challenge, would you? You start up Disk Utility, you  
> select the external disk, you switch to the Erase panel, and you  
> take a deep breath and click Erase, right? Wrong.
>
> It happens that, perhaps because of the changing economics of  
> external hard disk acquisition (fancy talk for "they've gotten a lot  
> cheaper lately"), I've recently had to reformat several new external  
> hard disks. These include a shirt-pocket sized Maxtor Mini for  
> taking my compressed music collection along on airplane trips, a  
> larger Maxtor OneTouch that I made a friend buy when I discovered  
> that his wife's compulsive ripping of The Prisoner episodes from the  
> local library had filled up her iMac's internal disk, an AcomData to  
> serve as my mother's iMac's Time Machine backup, and most recently a  
> whopping 1 TB Fantom GreenDrive, a rugged, cool, silent machine that  
> I picked up for less than $100 at Buy.com. In every case I started  
> by trying to use Disk Utility's Erase panel, and in every case I  
> encountered some sort of initial failure. In the case of the Fantom  
> drive, there were even printed instructions saying to do this, and  
> they were wrong. Wrong, I tell you!
>
> So, since experience has taught me the right way (repeatedly,  
> because I so readily forget what experience has taught me), I'm  
> going to give you the benefit thereof and put this canard to rest  
> once and for all. This is what you do:
>
> Launch Disk Utility. Plug the new external drive into your computer,  
> provide it with power as needed, and switch it on. When the new disk  
> appears in Disk Utility, select itstop-level icon. (I stress this  
> because the disk is represented by two icons, one for the physical  
> disk, as it were, and one for the single volume it contains.) Now  
> switch, not to Erase, but to Partition.
>
> On the Partition pane, everything will appear to be greyed out, as  
> if you had encountered a brick wall. That's because before you can  
> do anything, you have to change the partition arrangement, using the  
> Volume Scheme pop-up menu. You have to do this even if you don't  
> actually want to change the number of partitions. So, the Volume  
> Scheme pop-up menu starts out saying Current. Change that. The  
> minimal change is to 1 Partition. I'm not going to tell you that you  
> need any more partitions than one, or how big they should be; that's  
> up to you, and depends on how this disk will be used.
>
> Now stop. Stop! I know you think the next thing to do is give the  
> drive a name and assign it a format - probably Mac OS Extended  
> (Journaled), the default (and rightly so). But don't do it yet. See  
> the Options button below the rectangular graphic depicting your  
> partition scheme? Click it. Click it! This is the key, all-important  
> step. From this one step stems all the trouble or goodness, the  
> success or failure that your reformatting of this new external hard  
> disk will be met with.
>
> Why? Because there are three possible partition schemes, and many  
> disks come with Master Boot Record, which is absolutely wrong for a  
> Mac. You must choose between GUID Partition Table and Apple  
> Partition Map. The latter is the most universal for use with Macs;  
> you can't go wrong this way, unless you want to use the disk as a  
> startup disk. If you do, then your choice here depends on what kind  
> of Mac you want to start up from this disk. Intel-based Macs prefer  
> GUID Partition Table; they can boot from disks partitioned using  
> Apple Partition Map, but won't let you install Leopard to such disks  
> directly (you must clone a copy of Leopard from a GUID-partitioned  
> disk to get this to work), and will prevent you from installing  
> firmware updates on your Mac while you're booted from such a disk.  
> On the other hand, PowerPC-based Macs can boot only from an Apple  
> Partition Map disk. (See Jonathan "Wolf" Rentzsch's "Booting an  
> Intel iMac from an External Drive," 2006-01-30.) Apple also cautions  
> that the same distinction applies if the disk is to be used as a  
> Time Machine backup, though I'm not entirely certain why.
>
> So choose your partition scheme and click OK. Now enter a volume  
> name and a format, and click Apply. Presto! The disk is reformatted  
> in the twinkling of an eye, and is ready for use.
>
> On 28 Jun 2009, at 11:06, David King wrote:
>
>> Thanks Paul and Michael.  I will pass on the advice and the  
>> invitation.
>>
>> David
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

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From band1 at mac.com  Tue Jun 30 11:56:57 2009
From: band1 at mac.com (David King)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 11:56:57 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] formatting memory sticks
In-Reply-To: <20E21080-2AB1-4FE8-BB25-8258B4135E05@durrant.co.uk>
References: <8F688B28-47F8-44F6-BB6F-621A9C617037@mac.com>
	<A45B3C44-CCF5-4E17-9224-9753BCBEA753@durrant.co.uk>
	<B8D5EF1D-E9AD-4D7F-89DF-2F31B01A73EA@mac.com>
	<20E21080-2AB1-4FE8-BB25-8258B4135E05@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <33205BC4-48A1-49E7-81B1-D54A2140928F@mac.com>

Thank you Paul.  I have sent it on.

David


On 30 Jun 2009, at 11:14, Paul Durrant wrote:

> Here's an article from the latest TidBITS that I think will help.  
> It's written for external hard disks, but will also apply to memory  
> sticks. I suspect that the advice I gave was wrong, or at best  
> incomplete.
>
> http://db.tidbits.com/article/10307
>
> How to Reformat a New External Hard Disk
> by Matt Neuburg
> Reformatting a new external hard disk? You wouldn't think this would  
> constitute any challenge, would you? You start up Disk Utility, you  
> select the external disk, you switch to the Erase panel, and you  
> take a deep breath and click Erase, right? Wrong.
>
> It happens that, perhaps because of the changing economics of  
> external hard disk acquisition (fancy talk for "they've gotten a lot  
> cheaper lately"), I've recently had to reformat several new external  
> hard disks. These include a shirt-pocket sized Maxtor Mini for  
> taking my compressed music collection along on airplane trips, a  
> larger Maxtor OneTouch that I made a friend buy when I discovered  
> that his wife's compulsive ripping of The Prisoner episodes from the  
> local library had filled up her iMac's internal disk, an AcomData to  
> serve as my mother's iMac's Time Machine backup, and most recently a  
> whopping 1 TB Fantom GreenDrive, a rugged, cool, silent machine that  
> I picked up for less than $100 at Buy.com. In every case I started  
> by trying to use Disk Utility's Erase panel, and in every case I  
> encountered some sort of initial failure. In the case of the Fantom  
> drive, there were even printed instructions saying to do this, and  
> they were wrong. Wrong, I tell you!
>
> So, since experience has taught me the right way (repeatedly,  
> because I so readily forget what experience has taught me), I'm  
> going to give you the benefit thereof and put this canard to rest  
> once and for all. This is what you do:
>
> Launch Disk Utility. Plug the new external drive into your computer,  
> provide it with power as needed, and switch it on. When the new disk  
> appears in Disk Utility, select itstop-level icon. (I stress this  
> because the disk is represented by two icons, one for the physical  
> disk, as it were, and one for the single volume it contains.) Now  
> switch, not to Erase, but to Partition.
>
> On the Partition pane, everything will appear to be greyed out, as  
> if you had encountered a brick wall. That's because before you can  
> do anything, you have to change the partition arrangement, using the  
> Volume Scheme pop-up menu. You have to do this even if you don't  
> actually want to change the number of partitions. So, the Volume  
> Scheme pop-up menu starts out saying Current. Change that. The  
> minimal change is to 1 Partition. I'm not going to tell you that you  
> need any more partitions than one, or how big they should be; that's  
> up to you, and depends on how this disk will be used.
>
> Now stop. Stop! I know you think the next thing to do is give the  
> drive a name and assign it a format - probably Mac OS Extended  
> (Journaled), the default (and rightly so). But don't do it yet. See  
> the Options button below the rectangular graphic depicting your  
> partition scheme? Click it. Click it! This is the key, all-important  
> step. From this one step stems all the trouble or goodness, the  
> success or failure that your reformatting of this new external hard  
> disk will be met with.
>
> Why? Because there are three possible partition schemes, and many  
> disks come with Master Boot Record, which is absolutely wrong for a  
> Mac. You must choose between GUID Partition Table and Apple  
> Partition Map. The latter is the most universal for use with Macs;  
> you can't go wrong this way, unless you want to use the disk as a  
> startup disk. If you do, then your choice here depends on what kind  
> of Mac you want to start up from this disk. Intel-based Macs prefer  
> GUID Partition Table; they can boot from disks partitioned using  
> Apple Partition Map, but won't let you install Leopard to such disks  
> directly (you must clone a copy of Leopard from a GUID-partitioned  
> disk to get this to work), and will prevent you from installing  
> firmware updates on your Mac while you're booted from such a disk.  
> On the other hand, PowerPC-based Macs can boot only from an Apple  
> Partition Map disk. (See Jonathan "Wolf" Rentzsch's "Booting an  
> Intel iMac from an External Drive," 2006-01-30.) Apple also cautions  
> that the same distinction applies if the disk is to be used as a  
> Time Machine backup, though I'm not entirely certain why.
>
> So choose your partition scheme and click OK. Now enter a volume  
> name and a format, and click Apply. Presto! The disk is reformatted  
> in the twinkling of an eye, and is ready for use.
>
> On 28 Jun 2009, at 11:06, David King wrote:
>
>> Thanks Paul and Michael.  I will pass on the advice and the  
>> invitation.
>>
>> David
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From macman at f2s.com  Tue Jun 30 12:35:41 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:35:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] formatting memory sticks
In-Reply-To: <33205BC4-48A1-49E7-81B1-D54A2140928F@mac.com>
References: <8F688B28-47F8-44F6-BB6F-621A9C617037@mac.com>
	<A45B3C44-CCF5-4E17-9224-9753BCBEA753@durrant.co.uk>
	<B8D5EF1D-E9AD-4D7F-89DF-2F31B01A73EA@mac.com>
	<20E21080-2AB1-4FE8-BB25-8258B4135E05@durrant.co.uk>
	<33205BC4-48A1-49E7-81B1-D54A2140928F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <44CCF1AC-E85C-4C9D-BCCA-B9A5EA50D8BF@f2s.com>

Very interesting - I had occasion recently to set up a rather elderly  
external LaCie drive to use as the boot drive on a lampshade iMac G4  
with a dead internal drive, and although it was fine as a storage  
drive, no matter what I did, it simply reported that I couldn't  
install OSX on it.

I'll try again now!

Robbie



On 30 Jun 2009, at 11:14, Paul Durrant wrote:

> Here's an article from the latest TidBITS that I think will help.
> It's written for external hard disks, but will also apply to memory
> sticks. I suspect that the advice I gave was wrong, or at best
> incomplete.
>
> http://db.tidbits.com/article/10307
>
> How to Reformat a New External Hard Disk
> by Matt Neuburg
> Reformatting a new external hard disk? You wouldn't think this would
> constitute any challenge, would you? You start up Disk Utility, you
> select the external disk, you switch to the Erase panel, and you
> take a deep breath and click Erase, right? Wrong.
>
> It happens that, perhaps because of the changing economics of
> external hard disk acquisition (fancy talk for "they've gotten a lot
> cheaper lately"), I've recently had to reformat several new external
> hard disks. These include a shirt-pocket sized Maxtor Mini for
> taking my compressed music collection along on airplane trips, a
> larger Maxtor OneTouch that I made a friend buy when I discovered
> that his wife's compulsive ripping of The Prisoner episodes from the
> local library had filled up her iMac's internal disk, an AcomData to
> serve as my mother's iMac's Time Machine backup, and most recently a
> whopping 1 TB Fantom GreenDrive, a rugged, cool, silent machine that
> I picked up for less than $100 at Buy.com. In every case I started
> by trying to use Disk Utility's Erase panel, and in every case I
> encountered some sort of initial failure. In the case of the Fantom
> drive, there were even printed instructions saying to do this, and
> they were wrong. Wrong, I tell you!
>
> So, since experience has taught me the right way (repeatedly,
> because I so readily forget what experience has taught me), I'm
> going to give you the benefit thereof and put this canard to rest
> once and for all. This is what you do:
>
> Launch Disk Utility. Plug the new external drive into your computer,
> provide it with power as needed, and switch it on. When the new disk
> appears in Disk Utility, select itstop-level icon. (I stress this
> because the disk is represented by two icons, one for the physical
> disk, as it were, and one for the single volume it contains.) Now
> switch, not to Erase, but to Partition.
>
> On the Partition pane, everything will appear to be greyed out, as
> if you had encountered a brick wall. That's because before you can
> do anything, you have to change the partition arrangement, using the
> Volume Scheme pop-up menu. You have to do this even if you don't
> actually want to change the number of partitions. So, the Volume
> Scheme pop-up menu starts out saying Current. Change that. The
> minimal change is to 1 Partition. I'm not going to tell you that you
> need any more partitions than one, or how big they should be; that's
> up to you, and depends on how this disk will be used.
>
> Now stop. Stop! I know you think the next thing to do is give the
> drive a name and assign it a format - probably Mac OS Extended
> (Journaled), the default (and rightly so). But don't do it yet. See
> the Options button below the rectangular graphic depicting your
> partition scheme? Click it. Click it! This is the key, all-important
> step. From this one step stems all the trouble or goodness, the
> success or failure that your reformatting of this new external hard
> disk will be met with.
>
> Why? Because there are three possible partition schemes, and many
> disks come with Master Boot Record, which is absolutely wrong for a
> Mac. You must choose between GUID Partition Table and Apple
> Partition Map. The latter is the most universal for use with Macs;
> you can't go wrong this way, unless you want to use the disk as a
> startup disk. If you do, then your choice here depends on what kind
> of Mac you want to start up from this disk. Intel-based Macs prefer
> GUID Partition Table; they can boot from disks partitioned using
> Apple Partition Map, but won't let you install Leopard to such disks
> directly (you must clone a copy of Leopard from a GUID-partitioned
> disk to get this to work), and will prevent you from installing
> firmware updates on your Mac while you're booted from such a disk.
> On the other hand, PowerPC-based Macs can boot only from an Apple
> Partition Map disk. (See Jonathan "Wolf" Rentzsch's "Booting an
> Intel iMac from an External Drive," 2006-01-30.) Apple also cautions
> that the same distinction applies if the disk is to be used as a
> Time Machine backup, though I'm not entirely certain why.
>
> So choose your partition scheme and click OK. Now enter a volume
> name and a format, and click Apply. Presto! The disk is reformatted
> in the twinkling of an eye, and is ready for use.
>
> On 28 Jun 2009, at 11:06, David King wrote:
>
>> Thanks Paul and Michael.  I will pass on the advice and the
>> invitation.
>>
>> David
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
NMUG at durrant.co.uk
http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From yahooist at anyisle.com  Tue Jun 30 13:54:02 2009
From: yahooist at anyisle.com (Neil S.)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:54:02 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Safari and the BBC News
Message-ID: <F9233EE7-CE43-402B-B55F-4801BDB22FB5@anyisle.com>

Guys,

	Today I upgraded my iMac G5 (2.0Ghz) from 1GB to 2GB of memory. In  
doing so I have been using Activity Monitor to look at its  
performance and something I've seen has surprised me. With Safari  
sitting on the BBC News' home page (http://news.bbc.co.uk/) the CPU  
is hitting 40+% every couple of seconds. Go to a page from there and  
it rarely goes above 10%.

	Should I no longer park my browser on that page, perhaps?

Regards...
Neil



From munkt0n at gmail.com  Tue Jun 30 14:07:33 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:07:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Safari and the BBC News
In-Reply-To: <F9233EE7-CE43-402B-B55F-4801BDB22FB5@anyisle.com>
References: <F9233EE7-CE43-402B-B55F-4801BDB22FB5@anyisle.com>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0906300607p7b6cfb3dy687fabcedbe54d4b@mail.gmail.com>

firefox does the same, if you hit the pause button on the irritating
scrolling news ticker the CPU usage settles down.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Neil S.<yahooist at anyisle.com> wrote:
> Guys,
>
> ? ? ? ?Today I upgraded my iMac G5 (2.0Ghz) from 1GB to 2GB of memory. In
> doing so I have been using Activity Monitor to look at its
> performance and something I've seen has surprised me. With Safari
> sitting on the BBC News' home page (http://news.bbc.co.uk/) the CPU
> is hitting 40+% every couple of seconds. Go to a page from there and
> it rarely goes above 10%.
>
> ? ? ? ?Should I no longer park my browser on that page, perhaps?
>
> Regards...
> Neil
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



-- 
:wq


From yahooist at anyisle.com  Tue Jun 30 14:21:42 2009
From: yahooist at anyisle.com (Neil S.)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:21:42 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Safari and the BBC News
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0906300607p7b6cfb3dy687fabcedbe54d4b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F9233EE7-CE43-402B-B55F-4801BDB22FB5@anyisle.com>
	<ac224bde0906300607p7b6cfb3dy687fabcedbe54d4b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AA98EB28-DC1F-4CFE-8750-75B00A89BE5E@anyisle.com>

Well spotted,

	When the news teletyper is moving across the screen the CPU high.  
And Little Snitch is not reporting any network activity at that time  
either.

	That strikes me as bad web-programming.

Regards...
Neil


On 30 Jun 2009, at 14:07, Scott Matthews wrote:

>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> :wq
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue Jun 30 17:13:23 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:13:23 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: FYI: 50%-Off Take Control Sale
References: <3cf38ce2.-1@webcrossing.va7qaftEanA>
Message-ID: <B23A16D0-2E88-432C-9882-D9C3A6B4DA2B@durrant.co.uk>

TidBITS (the source of that excellent article on formatting external  
drives) also publishes good electronic books on a variety of Mac topics.

They're currently running a 50% off sale - an excellent time to pick  
up some really well written guides to various parts of Mac OS X and  
Mac applications.

The link to use to get access to the 50% off is this one:

http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/catalog-alpha?cp=CPN90629J4TH&pt=TCMUG-TB19

If you buy any title you think particularly good, please do mention it  
to the rest of the mailing list.

Paul


Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Adam C. Engst" <ace at tidbits.com>
> Date: 30 June 2009 16:27:54 BST
> To: <tc-user-groups at emperor.tidbits.com>
> Subject: FYI: 50%-Off Take Control Sale
> Reply-To: Adam Engst <ace at tidbits.com>
>
> Good day, everyone!
>
> We wanted to let you know about our 50%-off sale so you could forward
> the basic information on to members of your MUG. It's an even better
> deal than the normal 30% MUG discount, but the sale runs only through
> July 7th, so you'll probably want to alert your members via email.
>
> cheers... -Adam
>
>
> TidBITS Publishing is having a 50%-off sale on all Take Control
> ebooks and Macworld Superguides through July 7th, with topics covered
> including Macs, Mac OS X, iLife '09, AirPort networking, and more. To
> take advantage of this limited-time sale, visit their catalog Web
> page using this coupon-loaded link.
>
> <http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/catalog-alpha?cp=CPN90629J4TH&pt=TCMUG-TB19 
> >



From jinshinjewels at googlemail.com  Tue Jun 30 21:28:46 2009
From: jinshinjewels at googlemail.com (Jules Slaughter)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:28:46 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] help
Message-ID: <adb0e98a0906301328v19c0ea90i63a2ea709af41aa6@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All

My Mac has 'crashed' in as much as it comes on with the Apple logo and the
whirling sign but nothing else.  Do I need to callthe repair man?  I;m using
a friend's PC so finding it frustrating as I don't know what to do.  I was
updating software from Apple when it said the application had stopped
unexpectedly and been removed to trash' or words to that effect.  It told me
to restart and then nothing has happened.

Hopefully someone will tell me some good news!

Many thanks

-- 
Jules

CalmClasses & Therapies
to improve your health.

My business works on referrals.
If you like what I do, please tell others.
If not, please tell me.


From ricnev at mac.com  Tue Jun 30 21:31:55 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:31:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] help
In-Reply-To: <adb0e98a0906301328v19c0ea90i63a2ea709af41aa6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <adb0e98a0906301328v19c0ea90i63a2ea709af41aa6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CE7770CA-9B4A-473D-BCB6-06CB6D9C8174@mac.com>

What machine do you have and what software were you updating?

The good news is that these sort of problems are usually just little  
glitches -  we should be able to help.

Richard.


On 30 Jun 2009, at 21:28, Jules Slaughter wrote:

> Dear All
>
> My Mac has 'crashed' in as much as it comes on with the Apple logo  
> and the
> whirling sign but nothing else.  Do I need to callthe repair man?   
> I;m using
> a friend's PC so finding it frustrating as I don't know what to do.   
> I was
> updating software from Apple when it said the application had stopped
> unexpectedly and been removed to trash' or words to that effect.  It  
> told me
> to restart and then nothing has happened.
>
> Hopefully someone will tell me some good news!
>
> Many thanks
>
> -- 
> Jules
>
> CalmClasses & Therapies
> to improve your health.
>
> My business works on referrals.
> If you like what I do, please tell others.
> If not, please tell me.
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

Richard Nevill
ricnev at mac.com





From jinshinjewels at googlemail.com  Tue Jun 30 21:49:04 2009
From: jinshinjewels at googlemail.com (Jules Slaughter)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 21:49:04 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] help
In-Reply-To: <CE7770CA-9B4A-473D-BCB6-06CB6D9C8174@mac.com>
References: <adb0e98a0906301328v19c0ea90i63a2ea709af41aa6@mail.gmail.com>
	<CE7770CA-9B4A-473D-BCB6-06CB6D9C8174@mac.com>
Message-ID: <adb0e98a0906301349i2dd176ecy3a9f758720aa5e57@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Richard

Tiger on imac, 3 years old.  It came up and said software updates available
for iphotos etc so,for once, I thought I would do it and then it did 3
applications and then crashed.

best regards
Jules

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Richard Nevill <ricnev at mac.com> wrote:

> What machine do you have and what software were you updating?
>
> The good news is that these sort of problems are usually just little
> glitches -  we should be able to help.
>
> Richard.
>
>
> On 30 Jun 2009, at 21:28, Jules Slaughter wrote:
>
>  > Dear All
> >
> > My Mac has 'crashed' in as much as it comes on with the Apple logo
> > and the
> > whirling sign but nothing else.  Do I need to callthe repair man?
> > I;m using
> > a friend's PC so finding it frustrating as I don't know what to do.
> > I was
> > updating software from Apple when it said the application had stopped
> > unexpectedly and been removed to trash' or words to that effect.  It
> > told me
> > to restart and then nothing has happened.
> >
> > Hopefully someone will tell me some good news!
> >
> > Many thanks
> >
> > --
> > Jules
> >
> > CalmClasses & Therapies
> > to improve your health.
> >
> > My business works on referrals.
> > If you like what I do, please tell others.
> > If not, please tell me.
> > _______________________________________________
> > NMUG mailing list
> > NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> Richard Nevill
> ricnev at mac.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



-- 
Jules

CalmClasses & Therapies
to improve your health.

My business works on referrals.
If you like what I do, please tell others.
If not, please tell me.


From ricnev at mac.com  Tue Jun 30 22:04:17 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:04:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] help
In-Reply-To: <adb0e98a0906301349i2dd176ecy3a9f758720aa5e57@mail.gmail.com>
References: <adb0e98a0906301328v19c0ea90i63a2ea709af41aa6@mail.gmail.com>
	<CE7770CA-9B4A-473D-BCB6-06CB6D9C8174@mac.com>
	<adb0e98a0906301349i2dd176ecy3a9f758720aa5e57@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FE68E39D-9BDD-47A7-AEDC-5BE4990E1BA0@mac.com>

First thing to try is a Safe Mode boot - this sometimes lets the Mac  
do a bit of housekeeping which clears the pipes out.

Try it, then afterwards  immediately shut down the machine and start  
it up again.



Here are Apple's instructions for a Safe Mode boot:

************

  " To start up into Safe Mode (to Safe Boot), do this:

    1. Be sure the computer is shut down.
    2. Press the power button.
    3. Immediately after you hear the startup tone, hold the Shift  
key. The Shift key should be held as soon as possible after the  
startup tone but not before.
    4. Release the Shift key when you see the gray Apple icon and the  
progress indicator (looks like a spinning gear).

During startup in Mac OS X 10.4 or later, you will see "Safe Boot" on  
the login window, which appears even if you normally log in  
automatically.

During startup in Mac OS X 10.2 through 10.3.9, you will see "Safe  
Boot" on the Mac OS X startup screen.

To leave Safe Mode in any version of Mac OS X, restart the computer  
normally, without holding any keys during startup. "

*************

If you find your update hasn't been completed, you can download the  
latest Combined Updater .dmg image file from Apple - sometimes the  
Combined Updaters work where automatic updates fail.


Richard.



On 30 Jun 2009, at 21:49, Jules Slaughter wrote:

> Dear Richard
>
> Tiger on imac, 3 years old.  It came up and said software updates  
> available
> for iphotos etc so,for once, I thought I would do it and then it did 3
> applications and then crashed.
>
> best regards
> Jules
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Richard Nevill <ricnev at mac.com>  
> wrote:
>
>> What machine do you have and what software were you updating?
>>
>> The good news is that these sort of problems are usually just little
>> glitches -  we should be able to help.
>>
>> Richard.
>>
>>
>> On 30 Jun 2009, at 21:28, Jules Slaughter wrote:
>>
>>> Dear All
>>>
>>> My Mac has 'crashed' in as much as it comes on with the Apple logo
>>> and the
>>> whirling sign but nothing else.  Do I need to callthe repair man?
>>> I;m using
>>> a friend's PC so finding it frustrating as I don't know what to do.
>>> I was
>>> updating software from Apple when it said the application had  
>>> stopped
>>> unexpectedly and been removed to trash' or words to that effect.  It
>>> told me
>>> to restart and then nothing has happened.
>>>
>>> Hopefully someone will tell me some good news!
>>>
>>> Many thanks
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jules
>>>
>>> CalmClasses & Therapies
>>> to improve your health.
>>>
>>> My business works on referrals.
>>> If you like what I do, please tell others.
>>> If not, please tell me.
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>>
>> Richard Nevill
>> ricnev at mac.com
>>
>>
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>
>
>
> -- 
> Jules
>
> CalmClasses & Therapies
> to improve your health.
>
> My business works on referrals.
> If you like what I do, please tell others.
> If not, please tell me.
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

Richard Nevill
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From yahooist at anyisle.com  Tue Jun 30 22:46:03 2009
From: yahooist at anyisle.com (Neil S.)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:46:03 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iPhone 2G & 3.0 for 99p
In-Reply-To: <FE8CD7D9-3164-4FF7-9191-BF1CB890D718@anyisle.com>
References: <FE8CD7D9-3164-4FF7-9191-BF1CB890D718@anyisle.com>
Message-ID: <7A904291-C2BB-426E-A01A-FE2E86AF39D1@anyisle.com>

Hello All,

	I thought I would give an update on this as I involved you earlier  
in the week.

	Well, it sold this evening. Or did it?

	Over last night it near doubled to ?82 and has increased steadily  
over the course of today. There was a feeding frenzy in the last half  
hour that saw it go from ?170 to ?218. As you can imagine I was well  
pleased.

	When I looked at the detail, it had sold to a late, single-bid buyer  
who had joined eBay yesterday, has zero feedback, and has bid on 10  
mobile phone auctions already. Soon after, I received an eBay email  
from them that was saying that because of a mistake they couldn't pay  
through the normal eBay process and would I go direct through PayPal.  
Their incomprehensible writing style had much to do with their  
eastern European surname, I suspect. He's what they said:

"Unfortunately I cannot pay through ebay since I the first time have  
incorrectly entered paypal an account, therefore I want at once  
through paypal therefore to me you is necessary paypal email."

	No Sale! I think. I have offered it to bidders 2 & 3 but cannot find  
an eBay process whereby I can cancel the first sale and warn eBay  
themselves of this obvious fraudster.

Regards...
Neil




On 25 Jun 2009, at 12:28, Neil S. wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm selling mine on eBay as I have upgraded to the iPhone 3G S but  
> I am shocked by the lack of interest.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320388278402
>
> It's been on eBay for a day-and-a-half and has had 32 viewings (3  
> are me!) with only one person bidding. He has it at the moment for  
> 99p. I can't understand why there's not more viewings.
>
> Please excuse me drumming up trade but I thought this might be of  
> interest to someone here.
>
> Regards...
> Neil
>
>
>



From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Tue Jun 30 23:00:03 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:00:03 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] BBC and Little Snitch
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1803.1246396374.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1803.1246396374.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <19F9665D-8CC5-4D53-8FC7-9000471BA8B4@gmail.com>




> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Safari and the BBC News
>
> Well spotted,
>
> 	When the news teletyper is moving across the screen the CPU high.
> And Little Snitch is not reporting any network activity at that time
> either.
>
> 	That strikes me as bad web-programming.


Doesn't Little Snitch report outbound activity?.. I think you are  
seeing inbound activity.

One of the joys about living in California for 20 years or so was the  
ability to brag to Americans how pathetic all their TV is with its  
constant irritating multi-screen approach where several things go on  
at the same time, including an appalling ticker that runs underneath  
the picture. I was able to assure them that this infantile approach to  
presentation, whilst admirably suited to the surprisingly short  
attention span of most Americans (led by their intellectual  
heavyweight of a President at the time... the 'roads skolar' Bush),  
was CERTAINLY not something the great British unwashed would tolerate.

Imagine my horror therefore on my return home to find the BBC doing  
the same bl**dy thing. And now you tell me they do it on their website  
too.

I think we need to start lining some media moguls up and condemning  
them to 10 years installing Windows.


From yahooist at anyisle.com  Tue Jun 30 23:24:20 2009
From: yahooist at anyisle.com (Neil S.)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:24:20 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] BBC and Little Snitch
In-Reply-To: <19F9665D-8CC5-4D53-8FC7-9000471BA8B4@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1803.1246396374.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<19F9665D-8CC5-4D53-8FC7-9000471BA8B4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7E900B74-D109-4CD0-9C2A-26ED1E9A4B60@anyisle.com>

Hi Stefan,

	Little Snitch reports both. Sadly, it gives no absolute value of  
what it sees (pkt/s, bps) as far as I know, just relative red & green  
bar-meters and the all important destination.

Regards...
Neil


On 30 Jun 2009, at 23:00, stefan youngs wrote:

> Doesn't Little Snitch report outbound activity?.. I think you are
> seeing inbound activity.