From suewest108 at yahoo.co.uk Sun Feb 1 11:40:30 2009 From: suewest108 at yahoo.co.uk (Sue West) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 11:40:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [NMUG] REQUEST for members Message-ID: <484529.42036.qm@web23902.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Dear Paul, Hello. I havE just joined the group and I have a query - not sure how to post yet to all members, or is this doing it? I've got a 1st generation G5, OS 10.3.9, with 768 MB Ram, so it should be able to do quite a bit, but: I can't seem to download, for eg Firefox (Safari keeps crashing), can't stream iPlayer, etc. I have had a lot of trouble with Tiscali, my broadband provider - they are about to provide me with a wireless router to see if that improves things - so don't know if Safari is crashing because of that or if there's something wrong with the Mac. I have a feeling it all needs overhauling - need to upgradee OS but don't know how to save things and clean it all up to do so - used to have techie friends in the States who would tell me how, but don't here. Are there members who might enjoy giving me advice? Many thanks, Sue From june.perrett at mac.com Sun Feb 1 11:45:33 2009 From: june.perrett at mac.com (June Perrett) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 11:45:33 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Trying to email a video attatchment Message-ID: <322B3816-8F86-4291-858A-C1853BC00720@mac.com> I am trying to send a friend (via email) a 4 minute video created on my Digital camera which is saved in my iPhoto '08 library - but no luck. I created a folder in Finder, dragged the video clip into it and then dragged the Folder onto the email page. When I click on 'send' - mail closes down. It can't cope with the video. Can anyone explain what I have to do, please? Many thanks June From suewest108 at yahoo.co.uk Sun Feb 1 11:51:38 2009 From: suewest108 at yahoo.co.uk (Sue West) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 11:51:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [NMUG] Sue West Message-ID: <968556.38794.qm@web23908.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Dear Paul, Hello. I have just joined the group and I have a query - not sure how to post yet to all members, or do you do that? I've got a 1st generation G5, OS 10.3.9, with 768 MB Ram, so it should be able to do quite a bit, but: I can't seem to download, for eg Firefox (Safari keeps crashing), can't stream iPlayer, etc. I have had a lot of trouble with Tiscali, my broadband provider - they are about to provide me with a wireless router to see if that improves things - so don't know if Safari is crashing because of that or if there's something wrong with the Mac. I have a feeling it all needs overhauling - need to upgradee OS but don't know how to save things and clean it all up to do so - used to have techie friends in the States who would tell me how, but don't here. Are there members who might enjoy giving me advice? Many thanks, Sue From tomkershaw at mac.com Sun Feb 1 11:56:10 2009 From: tomkershaw at mac.com (Tom Kershaw) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 11:56:10 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] REQUEST for members In-Reply-To: <484529.42036.qm@web23902.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <484529.42036.qm@web23902.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49858DDA.5050104@mac.com> Sue, Two quick points to start with: 1. The BBC iPlayer has been upgraded over time and your system may need newer versions of flash. 2. How full is your hard disk? If your drive is very full then performance can reduce dramatically. Select 'get info' from the file menu with your hard disk icon selected to find out how much space you have available. Tom. Sue West wrote: > Dear Paul, > Hello. I havE just joined the group and I have a query - not sure how to post yet to all members, or is this doing it? > I've got a 1st generation G5, OS 10.3.9, with 768 MB Ram, so it should be able to do quite a bit, but: I can't seem to download, for eg Firefox (Safari keeps crashing), can't stream iPlayer, etc. > I have had a lot of trouble with Tiscali, my broadband provider - they are about to provide me with a wireless router to see if that improves things - so don't know if Safari is crashing because of that or if there's something wrong with the Mac. > I have a feeling it all needs overhauling - need to upgradee OS but don't know how to save things and clean it all up to do so - used to have techie friends in the States who would tell me how, but don't here. Are there members who might enjoy giving me advice? > Many thanks, > Sue > > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From bazyoungs at mac.com Sun Feb 1 11:58:05 2009 From: bazyoungs at mac.com (Barry Youngs) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 11:58:05 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] sending jpgs Message-ID: <5A9963CC-0875-4E5A-8A13-B810BEC87E28@mac.com> Hi I have been trying to send a photo via Mail with my dot mac account using Iphoto. I want to send it as a full size photo at 1.5 mb but when I compose the message after clicking on Full Size it reverts to 225kbs and I just send a small image! Any ideas what is going wrong? Cheers Barry I used to have a handle on life, but it broke. From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Sun Feb 1 12:17:38 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 01 Feb 2009 12:17:38 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Used MacBook Message-ID: Hi My G4 PowerBook is lovely and it is great for everyday tasks, but after seeing the raw power of my wifes 2Ghz Core Duo beast it makes me realise just how long in the tooth my G4 is getting. With Snow Leopard round the corner presumably Intel only - it looks a good time to start looking for a newer machine. As always with me it won't be a brand new machine. MacBooks start at Core Duo 1.83Ghz (the same as my Intel iMac was). I have checked eBay but prices vary all over the place. I just wondered what a good price for a used first gen MacBook was and if there were any known faults with them (being first gen). Obviously I would try and get a higher spec model as I could - but cash is always the bottom line. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. From david at vanedwards.co.uk Sun Feb 1 12:51:03 2009 From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 12:51:03 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] sending jpgs In-Reply-To: <5A9963CC-0875-4E5A-8A13-B810BEC87E28@mac.com> References: <5A9963CC-0875-4E5A-8A13-B810BEC87E28@mac.com> Message-ID: Dear Barry, Select the photo in iPhoto then, down the bottom right of the screen there's a box with a picture of a stamp on it marked Email, click on this to bring up a dialogue box where you have a drop-down menu which allows you to select "Full size = highest quality" or other sizes. But maybe, re-reading your question, you've done all this, if so apologies! Do you have a setting in your email programme that limits the size of messages, I use Eudora and it warns me if messages are above a limit I set in Preferences. The only other way is to find the photo in the root folder of iPhoto, drag it onto the desktop and attach it from there. Hard Drive/Users/your username/Pictures/iPhoto Library/then search in the folders!! Best wishes, David At 11:58 +0000 1/2/09, Barry Youngs wrote: >Hi >I have been trying to send a photo via Mail with my dot mac account >using Iphoto. I want to send it as a full size photo at 1.5 mb but >when I compose the message after clicking on Full Size it reverts to >225kbs and I just send a small image! >Any ideas what is going wrong? >Cheers >Barry > > >I used to have a handle on life, but it broke. > > > >_______________________________________________ >NMUG mailing list >NMUG at durrant.co.uk >http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk From robbiemurray at f2s.com Sun Feb 1 13:20:00 2009 From: robbiemurray at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:20:00 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Sue West In-Reply-To: <968556.38794.qm@web23908.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <968556.38794.qm@web23908.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <98FB3944-33DA-48CF-9675-8AE0B83CA84B@f2s.com> Hello Sue The bad news is that there have been many issues with Tiscali recently - for 3 weeks in November I was getting download speeds of less than dialup at certain times of the day. All they did was blame my equipment, which I knew to be faultless, and it was only by emailing their head of corporate PR and threatening to expose them on Watchdog that I eventually was put in touch with a senior engineer who, after 3 days of testing confirmed that they had a broken fibre cable in their backhaul spine in London. For the past 2 weeks now I have been without my primary email, and although now restored, my entire history on the server has been lost. They weren't my choice - I have been with f2s since they started, and they were a great little company, but then Pipex bought them out and everything fell apart. I couldn't imagine things being any worse, but then Pipex sold out to Tiscali and i had to eat my words - they're awful: Tech support is dreadful and if they can be bothered to respond will treat you like a 5 year old and claim it's all your fault ..... I really can't see what a wireless router will do to improve your situation. For me, the most robust and fastest connection is ethernet, which I assume you are presently using, unless of course you have the dreaded USB modem router, the most awful invention I have ever had the misfortune to come across. Have you tested your download speed? http://www.mybroadbandspeed.co.uk/ is a very simple and effective site that will give you an indication of what you're getting, and gives you a starting point for troubleshooting. If you decide to upgrade, it's painless, as all your Apps and files will be preserved, but it's always useful to back up everything to another drive first, in fact it's foolish not to have a backup, as all hard drives will fail eventually - you just don't know when it's going to happen! I'm not sure if there's a Freeware automatic backup program for 10.3.9, but when you go to Tiger (10.4) or Leopard (10.5), CarbonCopyCloner or SuperDuper will do it for you. Otherwise just drag all your stuff onto the backup disk and go and put the kettle on ........ Hope this helps Robbie On 1 Feb 2009, at 11:51, Sue West wrote: Dear Paul, Hello. I have just joined the group and I have a query - not sure how to post yet to all members, or do you do that? I've got a 1st generation G5, OS 10.3.9, with 768 MB Ram, so it should be able to do quite a bit, but: I can't seem to download, for eg Firefox (Safari keeps crashing), can't stream iPlayer, etc. I have had a lot of trouble with Tiscali, my broadband provider - they are about to provide me with a wireless router to see if that improves things - so don't know if Safari is crashing because of that or if there's something wrong with the Mac. I have a feeling it all needs overhauling - need to upgradee OS but don't know how to save things and clean it all up to do so - used to have techie friends in the States who would tell me how, but don't here. Are there members who might enjoy giving me advice? Many thanks, Sue _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From h.tamplin at btinternet.com Sun Feb 1 13:25:20 2009 From: h.tamplin at btinternet.com (Heather Tamplin) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 13:25:20 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] speed Message-ID: <5629E9C3-B4A6-413C-A781-96D011052E2A@btinternet.com> Thanks for the link Rob I decided to do a speed test - 3788mbs download 346 upload why is the upload so slow.............. I am with BT which has been for the last 4 years trouble free well worth the extra few pounds Heather From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Sun Feb 1 13:30:08 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 01 Feb 2009 13:30:08 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Sue West In-Reply-To: <98FB3944-33DA-48CF-9675-8AE0B83CA84B@f2s.com> References: <968556.38794.qm@web23908.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <98FB3944-33DA-48CF-9675-8AE0B83CA84B@f2s.com> Message-ID: Robbie I have heard many horror stories from lots of Tiscali users, but I have been with them for six months and not had any problems. A week ago my internet went down, and the online light on my Tiscali branded Siemens router wouldn't come on, but half an hour later and everything was ok again. As for speeds I have not noticed any major slowness, it does go up and down mainly in peak times but nothing that would cause any problems and I do have 5 machines online most of the time. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Feb 1 2009, Robbie Murray wrote: Hello Sue The bad news is that there have been many issues with Tiscali recently - for 3 weeks in November I was getting download speeds of less than dialup at certain times of the day. All they did was blame my equipment, which I knew to be faultless, and it was only by emailing their head of corporate PR and threatening to expose them on Watchdog that I eventually was put in touch with a senior engineer who, after 3 days of testing confirmed that they had a broken fibre cable in their backhaul spine in London. For the past 2 weeks now I have been without my primary email, and although now restored, my entire history on the server has been lost. They weren't my choice - I have been with f2s since they started, and they were a great little company, but then Pipex bought them out and everything fell apart. I couldn't imagine things being any worse, but then Pipex sold out to Tiscali and i had to eat my words - they're awful: Tech support is dreadful and if they can be bothered to respond will treat you like a 5 year old and claim it's all your fault ..... I really can't see what a wireless router will do to improve your situation. For me, the most robust and fastest connection is ethernet, which I assume you are presently using, unless of course you have the dreaded USB modem router, the most awful invention I have ever had the misfortune to come across. Have you tested your download speed? http://www.mybroadbandspeed.co.uk/ is a very simple and effective site that will give you an indication of what you're getting, and gives you a starting point for troubleshooting. If you decide to upgrade, it's painless, as all your Apps and files will be preserved, but it's always useful to back up everything to another drive first, in fact it's foolish not to have a backup, as all hard drives will fail eventually - you just don't know when it's going to happen! I'm not sure if there's a Freeware automatic backup program for 10.3.9, but when you go to Tiger (10.4) or Leopard (10.5), CarbonCopyCloner or SuperDuper will do it for you. Otherwise just drag all your stuff onto the backup disk and go and put the kettle on ........ Hope this helps Robbie On 1 Feb 2009, at 11:51, Sue West wrote: Dear Paul, Hello. I have just joined the group and I have a query - not sure how to post yet to all members, or do you do that? I've got a 1st generation G5, OS 10.3.9, with 768 MB Ram, so it should be able to do quite a bit, but: I can't seem to download, for eg Firefox (Safari keeps crashing), can't stream iPlayer, etc. I have had a lot of trouble with Tiscali, my broadband provider - they are about to provide me with a wireless router to see if that improves things - so don't know if Safari is crashing because of that or if there's something wrong with the Mac. I have a feeling it all needs overhauling - need to upgradee OS but don't know how to save things and clean it all up to do so - used to have techie friends in the States who would tell me how, but don't here. Are there members who might enjoy giving me advice? Many thanks, Sue _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From alanbarber at mac.com Sun Feb 1 13:43:43 2009 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 13:43:43 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] 10.4 Message-ID: <1AAD65D2-28F6-4380-AB16-2A4D16771D06@mac.com> I lent someone - Im sure in the group some 10.4 cd's. If you still have them could I have them back please. Regards Alan From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk Sun Feb 1 14:54:39 2009 From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 14:54:39 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Start Problem and another Message-ID: <18F28864-01AE-4BC4-B483-56269E5A99C6@themagic.me.uk> The uncalled-for starting has now ceased. I reinstalled the OS, had to do 10.4 first, then 10.5.6. Thanks for the advice a few weeks ago. A new problem: When I press the command or shift buttons they work, but there is a rattle sound, sort of short clatter. I have zapped the PRAM, run Disk Verify. I think it may have started after I began to use iTouch (wonderful if Safari worked properly!) but it still continues. Any ideas, please? Anthony Using iMac Intel. 2.4 Ghz. 800Mhz. Still under warranty (not software). From paul at durrant.co.uk Sun Feb 1 15:01:48 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 15:01:48 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Start Problem and another In-Reply-To: <18F28864-01AE-4BC4-B483-56269E5A99C6@themagic.me.uk> References: <18F28864-01AE-4BC4-B483-56269E5A99C6@themagic.me.uk> Message-ID: <1F02ACCF-CEF8-4605-B950-4C55DC66DE0E@durrant.co.uk> Where does the sound come from? The keyboard or the iMac? I don't understand the reference to iTouch (and Safari). Is iTouch software or hardware? Who makes it? regards, Paul On 1 Feb 2009, at 14:54, Anthony Brahams wrote: > A new problem: When I press the command or shift buttons they work, > but there is a rattle sound, sort of short clatter. > > I have zapped the PRAM, run Disk Verify. > > I think it may have started after I began to use iTouch (wonderful > if Safari worked properly!) but it still continues. From h.tamplin at btinternet.com Sun Feb 1 15:08:08 2009 From: h.tamplin at btinternet.com (Heather Tamplin) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 15:08:08 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] spped Message-ID: <6C17EE0A-F377-417D-A10D-EEC88A9D1FBE@btinternet.com> Simon I used link suggested by Rob http://www.mybroadbandspeed.co.uk/ Heather From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Sun Feb 1 15:21:49 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 01 Feb 2009 15:21:49 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] spped In-Reply-To: <6C17EE0A-F377-417D-A10D-EEC88A9D1FBE@btinternet.com> References: <6C17EE0A-F377-417D-A10D-EEC88A9D1FBE@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Hi I have just done the speed test and I must say I am a bit miffed. When I tested my speed a few months ago I was getting in the region of 5MB. I have just done the test three times and the highest it came up was 484kbs - somewhat rubbish. What could affect this my end to ensure I ring up Tiscali without checking things through? Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Feb 1 2009, Heather Tamplin wrote: Simon I used link suggested by Rob http://www.mybroadbandspeed.co.uk/ Heather _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From alan at asw6000.plus.com Sun Feb 1 15:26:11 2009 From: alan at asw6000.plus.com (Alan Williams) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 15:26:11 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] speed test Message-ID: <47999C42-1A5D-4324-AED3-CE200FD676E1@asw6000.plus.com> Simon Just ran the test & I'm getting 6416 download speed & I'm only round the corner from u , using Plusnet. regards Alan Williams alan at asw6000.plus.com From h.tamplin at btinternet.com Sun Feb 1 15:26:54 2009 From: h.tamplin at btinternet.com (Heather Tamplin) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 15:26:54 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] speed Message-ID: <0EEDE841-3CE6-4B95-B4F1-2DD2801CB4A4@btinternet.com> ouch - that must hurt Simon I feel miffed and my speed is pretty good seeing as I am out in the wilds of North Norfolk Heather From h.tamplin at btinternet.com Sun Feb 1 15:41:36 2009 From: h.tamplin at btinternet.com (Heather Tamplin) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 15:41:36 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] speed Message-ID: Simon I will check if Plusnet is cheaper than BT! Heather From steve.forst at virgin.net Sun Feb 1 16:25:14 2009 From: steve.forst at virgin.net (Steve Forster) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 16:25:14 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Deleting emails Message-ID: Wondered if anybody had any ideas on this. In Entourage (Office 2004) I?ve just spent a couple of hours going through old emails, some of them with large attachments and deleted almost 18,000. Weird thing is, when I open a Finder window it tells me I have less free space than I had before I started. Items have been deleted from the deleted items folder in Entourage, nothing is in my Trash folder. The object of the exercise was to free up hard drive space not use more! Anybody any thoughts on what?s happened and how to sort it? Using a 1.67 GHz Powerbook G4 running X.4.11. Thanks -- Steve Forster From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Sun Feb 1 16:41:54 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 01 Feb 2009 16:41:54 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] eBay Being Odd Message-ID: Hi I have an eBay account which both me and my wife use. Ebay have recently introduced a new listing styling. On my PowerBook running Firefox it shows the new style listing format - with real time countdown clock. On my wifes Vista laptop running Firefox it shows the old style listing format. We both use the same account. I even tried logging both out and both back in again and no change. Any ideas? Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. From sc at davidviner.com Sun Feb 1 16:43:55 2009 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 16:43:55 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] speed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4985D14B.9050306@davidviner.com> Big red warning light! PlusNet is part of BT - they bought them out way back in 2006. They used to be a good ISP a few years ago but have had several cockups regarding email and passwords over the past couple of years - there's a list of them at the bottom this page: www.theregister.co.uk/2007/02/07/plusnet_passwords/ One of the ISPs that seem to still be getting good reviews are Zen (www.zen.co.uk / http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_Internet). No, I don't use them - so can't say if they are as good as htey are made out to be! I'm actually on a 10M Virgin Media cable connection (probaby not available in the "wilds") which consistently gives between 9.5 and 10.3 Mb/s whenever I check it (their customer support occasionally stinks, though). I also use www.speedtest.net to check the speed (just checked - 10.095 today). David Heather Tamplin wrote: > Simon > > I will check if Plusnet is cheaper than BT! > > > Heather _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Sun Feb 1 16:49:18 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 01 Feb 2009 16:49:18 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] speed In-Reply-To: <4985D14B.9050306@davidviner.com> References: <4985D14B.9050306@davidviner.com> Message-ID: David Virgin cable were the best I ever had - but you are right I can't get it in sticksville. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Feb 1 2009, David Viner wrote: Big red warning light! PlusNet is part of BT - they bought them out way back in 2006. They used to be a good ISP a few years ago but have had several cockups regarding email and passwords over the past couple of years - there's a list of them at the bottom this page: www.theregister.co.uk/2007/02/07/plusnet_passwords/ One of the ISPs that seem to still be getting good reviews are Zen (www.zen.co.uk / http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_Internet). No, I don't use them - so can't say if they are as good as htey are made out to be! I'm actually on a 10M Virgin Media cable connection (probaby not available in the "wilds") which consistently gives between 9.5 and 10.3 Mb/s whenever I check it (their customer support occasionally stinks, though). I also use www.speedtest.net to check the speed (just checked - 10.095 today). David Heather Tamplin wrote: > Simon > > I will check if Plusnet is cheaper than BT! > > > Heather _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From sc at davidviner.com Sun Feb 1 16:49:13 2009 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 16:49:13 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] eBay Being Odd In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4985D289.4050406@davidviner.com> You can force Firefox to reload various bits of Javascript by holding down the shift key when clicking the reload button - doing Ctrl-click will also force a reload of the page/images etc. If that doesn't work get her to clear out the Firefox cache: Tools, Options, Privacy, Clear Now - make sure only the items you want to clear are ticked. If none of that works then I'm scratching my head as well! David Simon Royal wrote: > Hi > > I have an eBay account which both me and my wife use. Ebay have > recently introduced a new listing styling. > > On my PowerBook running Firefox it shows the new style listing format > - with real time countdown clock. On my wifes Vista laptop running > Firefox it shows the old style listing format. > > We both use the same account. I even tried logging both out and both > back in again and no change. > > Any ideas? > > Simon > > --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, > hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac > User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought > an Apple Mac. > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From band1 at mac.com Sun Feb 1 16:49:47 2009 From: band1 at mac.com (David King) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 16:49:47 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] speed In-Reply-To: <4985D14B.9050306@davidviner.com> References: <4985D14B.9050306@davidviner.com> Message-ID: They are! Excellent, in Rochdale and speak English. David On 1 Feb 2009, at 16:43, David Viner wrote: > > > One of the ISPs that seem to still be getting good reviews are Zen (www.zen.co.uk > / http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_Internet). No, I don't use them > - so can't say if they are as good as htey are made out to be! > David > > > Heather Tamplin wrote: >> Simon >> >> I will check if Plusnet is cheaper than BT! >> >> >> Heather _______________________________________________ >> NMUG mailing list >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paulharrowing at waitrose.com Sun Feb 1 16:55:28 2009 From: paulharrowing at waitrose.com (Paul Harrowing) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 16:55:28 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Speed Message-ID: Can you lot please stop banging on about how fast your DLs are. All you're doing is making us 1.3Mbs bods extremely P'ed off. PAH From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Sun Feb 1 16:57:51 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 01 Feb 2009 16:57:51 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Speed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Paul Fast? You call under half a meg fast? No wonder YouTube is playing up. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Feb 1 2009, Paul Harrowing wrote: Can you lot please stop banging on about how fast your DLs are. All you're doing is making us 1.3Mbs bods extremely P'ed off. PAH _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From sc at davidviner.com Sun Feb 1 16:58:37 2009 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 16:58:37 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Speed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4985D4BD.6080605@davidviner.com> Hmm, that reminds me... I wonder when VM will be rolling out their 50MB service around Norwich.... (sorry ;-) David Paul Harrowing wrote: > Can you lot please stop banging on about how fast your DLs are. > > All you're doing is making us 1.3Mbs bods extremely P'ed off. > > PAH > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From alan at asw6000.plus.com Sun Feb 1 17:17:52 2009 From: alan at asw6000.plus.com (Alan Williams) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 17:17:52 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] re speed Message-ID: <99F69C42-5C82-4300-8DE5-DFEE72C56495@asw6000.plus.com> Have been using Plusnet for 12 months with no problems so far . Deal is cheap @ ?10 per month but is limited to 2 GB a month Alan Williams alan at asw6000.plus.com From macman at f2s.com Sun Feb 1 17:33:51 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 17:33:51 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] speed In-Reply-To: <4985D14B.9050306@davidviner.com> References: <4985D14B.9050306@davidviner.com> Message-ID: <3C58C229-FBAD-4B29-88E0-E0FC24550B02@f2s.com> On 1 Feb 2009, at 16:43, David Viner wrote: "One of the ISPs that seem to still be getting good reviews are Zen (www.zen.co.uk / http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_Internet)" I can vouch for Zen - last year I added a second ADSL line to one of our offices and after a lot of research chose them. They are excellent - everything as it says on the tin, but not cheap, although I've always subscribed to the view that you get what you pay for. Unbiased comparisons can be found at http://tinyurl.com/adslcompare Which makes interesting reading. Of the various accounts we have at different sites, chosen because requirements differ, I would recommend Zen and Namesco. Griffin Internet can be patchy, and I have already shared my experience with f2s/Pipex/Nildram/Tiscali. There's a lot more to it nowadays than simply speed, and with the growth of iPlayer and similar streaming services, the bandwidth allowance will become more and more important, as some are not at all generous, and charge very high prices for each gb over the allowance. If cost was immaterial, and I needed a rock solid Rolls Royce business provider, I would choose Zen or ID Net. Despite the trials and tribulations, I have stuck with f2s, firstly because I have 9 long established email addresses @f2s.com, which I don't want to lose, and secondly because my contract allows unmetered downloads between 1am and 6pm, when I download a complete backup of our system from server every day: at 1.5gb a day, it would be very expensive with any other plan! Robbie Heather Tamplin wrote: > Simon > > I will check if Plusnet is cheaper than BT! > > > Heather _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk Sun Feb 1 18:17:07 2009 From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 18:17:07 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] speed In-Reply-To: <4985D14B.9050306@davidviner.com> References: <4985D14B.9050306@davidviner.com> Message-ID: <7E45EC7C-769E-4BBF-8B30-3451AD4D3C97@zen.co.uk> Zen are excellent but if you are expecting big numbers forget it. They have not joined the LLU game so the max will be 8MB/s. Since I have had them until recently, the best speed I managed was 2Mb/s. However I have managed to improve this by moving my router so its close to the main socket and additionally getting an ADSL Nation box to put on the front of the BT box I now have a sync speed of around 4.4Mb/s with a d/l speed of around 3-3.4Mb/s. That said aside from that they are good. At the moment I'm getting Steven Jefferson steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk On 1 Feb 2009, at 16:43, David Viner wrote: > Big red warning light! PlusNet is part of BT - they bought them out > way back in 2006. They used to be a good ISP a few years ago but > have had several cockups regarding email and passwords over the past > couple of years - there's a list of them at the bottom this page: > www.theregister.co.uk/2007/02/07/plusnet_passwords/ > > One of the ISPs that seem to still be getting good reviews are Zen (www.zen.co.uk > / http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen_Internet). No, I don't use them > - so can't say if they are as good as htey are made out to be! I'm > actually on a 10M Virgin Media cable connection (probaby not > available in the "wilds") which consistently gives between 9.5 and > 10.3 Mb/s whenever I check it (their customer support occasionally > stinks, though). I also use www.speedtest.net to check the speed > (just checked - 10.095 today). > > David > > > Heather Tamplin wrote: >> Simon >> >> I will check if Plusnet is cheaper than BT! >> >> >> Heather _______________________________________________ >> NMUG mailing list >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From june.perrett at mac.com Sun Feb 1 18:19:18 2009 From: june.perrett at mac.com (June Perrett) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 18:19:18 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Problem sending a video by email Message-ID: <1000753C-83F5-4B42-BDFD-E831A0712423@mac.com> Thank you Paul C, Rob H and Tom K for your suggestions and help. I haven't managed to solve the problem and wonder if I should change the format. Is it possible to convert the video format to .jpg? Also am I limited to the size of the file as one file is 361 MB and the other is 106 MB? "Export to' and 'Attachment' methods didn't work so then decided to put the file into a folder on the desktop and then attach it to the email - but no luck. I wonder how other people send video clips? I'd like to send some to Australia but am stumped at the moment. Kind regards June From phil.charnley at ntlworld.com Sun Feb 1 18:59:38 2009 From: phil.charnley at ntlworld.com (Phil Charnley) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 18:59:38 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Problem sending a video by email In-Reply-To: <1000753C-83F5-4B42-BDFD-E831A0712423@mac.com> References: <1000753C-83F5-4B42-BDFD-E831A0712423@mac.com> Message-ID: <24E9A6E5-DF42-4869-9807-AA41F4401608@ntlworld.com> June, Those are truly big files so that is probably what is hampering sending them by e mail. I see you have a dot mac account. Why not upload the files to your iDisk's public folder then send an e mail to your friends with the link? Phil On 1 Feb 2009, at 18:19:18, June Perrett wrote: > Thank you Paul C, Rob H and Tom K for your suggestions and help. I > haven't managed to solve the problem and wonder if I should change > the format. Is it possible to convert the video format to .jpg? Also > am I limited to the size of the file as one file is 361 MB and the > other is 106 MB? > "Export to' and 'Attachment' methods didn't work so then decided to > put the file into a folder on the desktop and then attach it to the > email - but no luck. > I wonder how other people send video clips? I'd like to send some > to Australia but am stumped at the moment. > Kind regards > June > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Sun Feb 1 19:12:48 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 01 Feb 2009 19:12:48 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Speed... Update Message-ID: Hi After my very poor broadband performance earlier, I just did the test again and it came back with 1.6MB. A few minutes later it came 2.3MB. A few minutes later it is at 693KPBS. Now it at 2.2MB. So what gives. Is this test reliable? Is it accurate? Is my broadband all over the place? Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Sun Feb 1 20:56:11 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 01 Feb 2009 20:56:11 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Flash 9 Download Message-ID: Hi Can anyone help. I have been reading that a lot of my Flash problems could be related to having Flash 10 installed. It seems Flash 9 runs a lot better on PowerPC Macs. I have searched the net high and low but cannot find a DMG download of the Flash 9 installer. Does anyone know where I could get it or do they have it they could send me. I found a link to an Adobe site but it has the binaries with no installer. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. From robbiemurray at f2s.com Sun Feb 1 21:02:35 2009 From: robbiemurray at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 21:02:35 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Speed... Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <29BA4380-B510-44DD-91CF-B9F85F46F451@f2s.com> On 1 Feb 2009, at 19:12, Simon Royal wrote: So what gives. Is this test reliable? Yes Is it accurate? Yes Is my broadband all over the place? There's a distinct possibility From macman at f2s.com Sun Feb 1 21:05:04 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 21:05:04 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Problem sending a video by email In-Reply-To: <1000753C-83F5-4B42-BDFD-E831A0712423@mac.com> References: <1000753C-83F5-4B42-BDFD-E831A0712423@mac.com> Message-ID: http://www.yousendit.com/ On 1 Feb 2009, at 18:19, June Perrett wrote: Thank you Paul C, Rob H and Tom K for your suggestions and help. I haven't managed to solve the problem and wonder if I should change the format. Is it possible to convert the video format to .jpg? Also am I limited to the size of the file as one file is 361 MB and the other is 106 MB? "Export to' and 'Attachment' methods didn't work so then decided to put the file into a folder on the desktop and then attach it to the email - but no luck. I wonder how other people send video clips? I'd like to send some to Australia but am stumped at the moment. Kind regards June _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From bazyoungs at mac.com Sun Feb 1 21:42:42 2009 From: bazyoungs at mac.com (Barry Youngs) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 21:42:42 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] sending jpgs In-Reply-To: References: <5A9963CC-0875-4E5A-8A13-B810BEC87E28@mac.com> Message-ID: <19E7DB22-775E-492A-B92A-5E48DB4829FB@mac.com> David and Steven Thanks for your replies. I used Steven's suggestion and dragged the photo to the desktop and sent it as an attachment and this was sent at full size as I wished for. Then I went back to Iphoto as David suggested and used the drop down menu, set it to full size and yes this worked as well! I'm sure that I had checked that box originally but as it works now, I can't have! Thanks guys. Barry On 1 Feb 2009, at 12:51, David Van Edwards wrote: > Dear Barry, > > Select the photo in iPhoto then, down the bottom right of the screen > there's a box with a picture of a stamp on it marked Email, click on > this to bring up a dialogue box where you have a drop-down menu > which allows you to select "Full size = highest quality" or other > sizes. > . Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it. From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Sun Feb 1 22:47:26 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 01 Feb 2009 22:47:26 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Google Search Problem Message-ID: Hi My wife and I have noticed a problem with Firefox today, both on her Vista machine and my Leopard PowerBook. When you start typing in the Google search field after about 8 to 10 characters, it stops being the active text box and you have to click back in the box to continue typing. Any ideas? We both have the latest version of Firefox. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Sun Feb 1 22:53:17 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 01 Feb 2009 22:53:17 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Google Search Problem... Solved Message-ID: Hi After writing my previous post I think I have solved my Google search box problem. I installed a new gadget in iGoogle a couple of days ago and after removing it just now, the box has stopped 'jumping off' I can now type as much as I like in the search box without it doing anything. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. From sc at davidviner.com Sun Feb 1 23:00:09 2009 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2009 23:00:09 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Google Search Problem... Solved In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49862979.9010403@davidviner.com> Simon I'd be interested to know which gadget it was so I can avoid it in future! David > Hi > > After writing my previous post I think I have solved my Google search > box problem. > > I installed a new gadget in iGoogle a couple of days ago and after > removing it just now, the box has stopped 'jumping off' > > I can now type as much as I like in the search box without it doing > anything. > > Simon > > --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, > hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac > User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought > an Apple Mac. > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From hidunc at ntlworld.com Mon Feb 2 10:03:51 2009 From: hidunc at ntlworld.com (J L Duncan Bradford) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 10:03:51 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Self-fulfilling Word Message-ID: <335A538D-A04D-4FAD-87F5-E0A38F2BBF41@ntlworld.com> Here's an odd one I can't resolve: Partway thru a long word doc, I typed 3 asterisks to remind me where I needed to check data. Pressed return and the asterisks became a full line of square blocks. Hovering over this line the cursor becomes a 'move' sign like '=' with vertical arrows, and sure enough I can move it down 3 rows. I cannot delete it with any keys I've tried, I can't select it from in the margin. I hunted all through Help & ''Automatic' settings. If I select all to paste to new doc the line comes too, but in various places. Copy/paste text a bit at a time works, but sooner or later the line comes - now nowhere near the end. Ended up retyping all! The thing seems to behave like a break but as the only way to remove a break seems to be to select/ delete, and I cant find a way to select it... I'm stumped. Just tried on different 'puter & Word. Same effect. Glad of any help - 3 asterisks is an old habit of mine [in Appleworks] which I just know I'll do without thinking sooner or later Thanks Duncan From robbiemurray at f2s.com Mon Feb 2 11:05:42 2009 From: robbiemurray at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:05:42 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Self-fulfilling Word In-Reply-To: <335A538D-A04D-4FAD-87F5-E0A38F2BBF41@ntlworld.com> References: <335A538D-A04D-4FAD-87F5-E0A38F2BBF41@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <5C601397-17B1-4DF0-96A5-ECD54A4CE610@f2s.com> In some programmes a carriage return can create such a blank square, or even an invisible character which can cause the file to corrupt - especially in Database fields when exporting as .csv, and will screw excel. I actually have a little Excel file with just that one little square character, which I copy then use to search in the faulty file and replace with a space. I hate Word and all its 'cleverness', and much prefer to compose in Text Edit or something simple, then if necessary copy & paste into a Word file. Perhaps if you have this problem again, just copy all, paste into a simpler programme, amend, then copy back again? I still use Appleworks on my Intel core 2 duo running 10.5.6, and another very powerful option to clean & edit text is TextWrangler, which is free. I would, however, comment that in some programmes, particularly Filemaker pro, some symbols and strings are not recognised unless places in inverted commas - a search for robbiemurray at f2s.com Will return "No valid search criteria" but "robbiemurray at f2s.com" Will find the address. Also, remember that many programmes see simple asterisks as wildcards meaning '1 or more characters', and will therefore return the entire text of the document! For temporary placeholders/bookmarks, I use 999, although if you already have a a valid "999" in the body text, add more nines! Robbie On 2 Feb 2009, at 10:03, J L Duncan Bradford wrote: Here's an odd one I can't resolve: Partway thru a long word doc, I typed 3 asterisks to remind me where I needed to check data. Pressed return and the asterisks became a full line of square blocks. Hovering over this line the cursor becomes a 'move' sign like '=' with vertical arrows, and sure enough I can move it down 3 rows. I cannot delete it with any keys I've tried, I can't select it from in the margin. I hunted all through Help & ''Automatic' settings. If I select all to paste to new doc the line comes too, but in various places. Copy/paste text a bit at a time works, but sooner or later the line comes - now nowhere near the end. Ended up retyping all! The thing seems to behave like a break but as the only way to remove a break seems to be to select/delete, and I cant find a way to select it... I'm stumped. Just tried on different 'puter & Word. Same effect. Glad of any help - 3 asterisks is an old habit of mine [in Appleworks] which I just know I'll do without thinking sooner or later Thanks Duncan _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From rbygrave at ntlworld.com Mon Feb 2 11:39:22 2009 From: rbygrave at ntlworld.com (Ruth Bygrave) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 11:39:22 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Self-fulfilling Word In-Reply-To: <335A538D-A04D-4FAD-87F5-E0A38F2BBF41@ntlworld.com> References: <335A538D-A04D-4FAD-87F5-E0A38F2BBF41@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <184A5815-1828-4F8C-999F-170B9AE4B480@ntlworld.com> On 2 Feb 2009, at 10:03, J L Duncan Bradford wrote: > Here's an odd one I can't resolve: > Partway thru a long word doc, I typed 3 asterisks to remind me where > I needed to check data. Pressed return and the asterisks became a > full line of square blocks. Hovering over this line the cursor > becomes a 'move' sign like '=' with vertical arrows, and sure enough > I can move it down 3 rows. I cannot delete it with any keys I've > tried, I can't select it from in the margin. I hunted all What you're seeing is one of Word's clever-clever AutoCorrect replacements -- assuming you want something like a horizontal-rule in html when you type several asterisks, which is why it doesn't appear as the characters. You should be able to un-set this in AutoCorrect. Regards, Ruth From robbiemurray at f2s.com Mon Feb 2 13:24:13 2009 From: robbiemurray at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:24:13 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Sue West In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0392FD5A-24C2-489C-88B1-0EBA4E8DD97A@f2s.com> I agree wholeheartedly - I have all our machines set up to use Open DNS rather than that of the ISP, and I believe it is faster and much more robust. http://www.opendns.com/ I also have alternative routers here at home: a Netgear DG834T which is my primary choice, as it's so user friendly and reliable, and a Zyxel which is noticeably faster, but less robust. Robbie On 2 Feb 2009, at 11:48, Brian Steere wrote: There are other things which can affect connection such as dns settings. I also switched from one router to another and found speed increased. all the best Brian Robbie Murray said recently: > Hello Sue > > The bad news is that there have been many issues with Tiscali recently > - for 3 weeks in November I was getting download speeds of less than > dialup at certain times of the day. All they did was blame my > equipment, which I knew to be faultless, and it was only by emailing > their head of corporate PR and threatening to expose them on Watchdog > that I eventually was put in touch with a senior engineer who, after 3 > days of testing confirmed that they had a broken fibre cable in their > backhaul spine in London. For the past 2 weeks now I have been > without my primary email, and although now restored, my entire history > on the server has been lost. > > They weren't my choice - I have been with f2s since they started, and > they were a great little company, but then Pipex bought them out and > everything fell apart. I couldn't imagine things being any worse, but > then Pipex sold out to Tiscali and i had to eat my words - they're > awful: Tech support is dreadful and if they can be bothered to respond > will treat you like a 5 year old and claim it's all your fault ..... > > I really can't see what a wireless router will do to improve your > situation. For me, the most robust and fastest connection is > ethernet, which I assume you are presently using, unless of course you > have the dreaded USB modem router, the most awful invention I have > ever had the misfortune to come across. > > Have you tested your download speed? > > http://www.mybroadbandspeed.co.uk/ > > is a very simple and effective site that will give you an indication > of what you're getting, and gives you a starting point for > troubleshooting. > > If you decide to upgrade, it's painless, as all your Apps and files > will be preserved, but it's always useful to back up everything to > another drive first, in fact it's foolish not to have a backup, as all > hard drives will fail eventually - you just don't know when it's going > to happen! > > I'm not sure if there's a Freeware automatic backup program for > 10.3.9, but when you go to Tiger (10.4) or Leopard (10.5), > CarbonCopyCloner or SuperDuper will do it for you. > > Otherwise just drag all your stuff onto the backup disk and go and put > the kettle on ........ > > Hope this helps > > Robbie > > > On 1 Feb 2009, at 11:51, Sue West wrote: > > Dear Paul, > Hello. I have just joined the group and I have a query - not sure how > to post yet to all members, or do you do that? > I've got a 1st generation G5, OS 10.3.9, with 768 MB Ram, so it should > be able to do quite a bit, but: I can't seem to download, for eg > Firefox (Safari keeps crashing), can't stream iPlayer, etc. > I have had a lot of trouble with Tiscali, my broadband provider - they > are about to provide me with a wireless router to see if that improves > things - so don't know if Safari is crashing because of that or if > there's something wrong with the Mac. > I have a feeling it all needs overhauling - need to upgradee OS but > don't know how to save things and clean it all up to do so - used to > have techie friends in the States who would tell me how, but don't > here. Are there members who might enjoy giving me advice? > Many thanks, > Sue > > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Mon Feb 2 13:26:55 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 02 Feb 2009 13:26:55 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] PowerBook Battery/Power Issue Message-ID: Hi The battery in my PowerBook G4 lasts anywhere between 10 and 30 minutes. Which is a bit naff but at least it holds something. I was running it off the battery yesterday just to see how long I could get out of it. It suddenly went off, not asleep and I couldn't wake it. I plugged the power plug in and it still wouldn't wake. I had to remove the battery and boot from the power pack, then putting in the battery. Today it did exactly the same thing. I did notice a faint image of what I had on the screen still barely visable. To start with I thought the screen had broken. Is it normal for the machine to go off completely like that. I thought once it go so low then it went to sleep, or is that only if the battery is good. I am just a bit concerned it something more severe. This is my main and only Mac and I can't have it go wrong. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Mon Feb 2 13:29:56 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 02 Feb 2009 13:29:56 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Sue West In-Reply-To: <0392FD5A-24C2-489C-88B1-0EBA4E8DD97A@f2s.com> References: <0392FD5A-24C2-489C-88B1-0EBA4E8DD97A@f2s.com> Message-ID: Robbie When I was with Virgin cable, it was faster to use the Virgin DNS than Open DNS. Now I am with Tiscali I shall give Open DNS another go. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Feb 2 2009, Robbie Murray wrote: I agree wholeheartedly - I have all our machines set up to use Open DNS rather than that of the ISP, and I believe it is faster and much more robust. http://www.opendns.com/ I also have alternative routers here at home: a Netgear DG834T which is my primary choice, as it's so user friendly and reliable, and a Zyxel which is noticeably faster, but less robust. Robbie On 2 Feb 2009, at 11:48, Brian Steere wrote: There are other things which can affect connection such as dns settings. I also switched from one router to another and found speed increased. all the best Brian Robbie Murray said recently: > Hello Sue > > The bad news is that there have been many issues with Tiscali recently > - for 3 weeks in November I was getting download speeds of less than > dialup at certain times of the day. All they did was blame my > equipment, which I knew to be faultless, and it was only by emailing > their head of corporate PR and threatening to expose them on Watchdog > that I eventually was put in touch with a senior engineer who, after 3 > days of testing confirmed that they had a broken fibre cable in their > backhaul spine in London. For the past 2 weeks now I have been > without my primary email, and although now restored, my entire history > on the server has been lost. > > They weren't my choice - I have been with f2s since they started, and > they were a great little company, but then Pipex bought them out and > everything fell apart. I couldn't imagine things being any worse, but > then Pipex sold out to Tiscali and i had to eat my words - they're > awful: Tech support is dreadful and if they can be bothered to respond > will treat you like a 5 year old and claim it's all your fault ..... > > I really can't see what a wireless router will do to improve your > situation. For me, the most robust and fastest connection is > ethernet, which I assume you are presently using, unless of course you > have the dreaded USB modem router, the most awful invention I have > ever had the misfortune to come across. > > Have you tested your download speed? > > http://www.mybroadbandspeed.co.uk/ > > is a very simple and effective site that will give you an indication > of what you're getting, and gives you a starting point for > troubleshooting. > > If you decide to upgrade, it's painless, as all your Apps and files > will be preserved, but it's always useful to back up everything to > another drive first, in fact it's foolish not to have a backup, as all > hard drives will fail eventually - you just don't know when it's going > to happen! > > I'm not sure if there's a Freeware automatic backup program for > 10.3.9, but when you go to Tiger (10.4) or Leopard (10.5), > CarbonCopyCloner or SuperDuper will do it for you. > > Otherwise just drag all your stuff onto the backup disk and go and put > the kettle on ........ > > Hope this helps > > Robbie > > > On 1 Feb 2009, at 11:51, Sue West wrote: > > Dear Paul, > Hello. I have just joined the group and I have a query - not sure how > to post yet to all members, or do you do that? > I've got a 1st generation G5, OS 10.3.9, with 768 MB Ram, so it should > be able to do quite a bit, but: I can't seem to download, for eg > Firefox (Safari keeps crashing), can't stream iPlayer, etc. > I have had a lot of trouble with Tiscali, my broadband provider - they > are about to provide me with a wireless router to see if that improves > things - so don't know if Safari is crashing because of that or if > there's something wrong with the Mac. > I have a feeling it all needs overhauling - need to upgradee OS but > don't know how to save things and clean it all up to do so - used to > have techie friends in the States who would tell me how, but don't > here. Are there members who might enjoy giving me advice? > Many thanks, > Sue > > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From steve.forst at virgin.net Mon Feb 2 13:38:07 2009 From: steve.forst at virgin.net (Steve Forster) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 13:38:07 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Deleting emails In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks Brian, assume I can?t be sending/receiving while doing this so will try tonight. Bests -- Steve Forster From: Brian Steere Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 11:56:44 +0000 To: Steve Forster Subject: Re: [NMUG] Deleting emails Hold option down while double clicking Entourage and choose to rebuild/compact database. this should help all the best Brian Steve Forster said recently: > Wondered if anybody had any ideas on this. In Entourage (Office 2004) I?ve > just spent a couple of hours going through old emails, some of them with > large attachments and deleted almost 18,000. > > Weird thing is, when I open a Finder window it tells me I have less free > space than I had before I started. Items have been deleted from the deleted > items folder in Entourage, nothing is in my Trash folder. The object of the > exercise was to free up hard drive space not use more! > > Anybody any thoughts on what?s happened and how to sort it? > > Using a 1.67 GHz Powerbook G4 running X.4.11. > > Thanks From paul at durrant.co.uk Mon Feb 2 14:25:28 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 14:25:28 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] PowerBook Battery/Power Issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2A727D0A-D3C6-4090-9879-CBF36773B03D@durrant.co.uk> It's a side effect of the ancient battery - it loses power more quickly than the power control circuitry expects, so the Mac doesn't go into hibernation before the battery is completely drained. Paul On 2 Feb 2009, at 13:26, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi > > The battery in my PowerBook G4 lasts anywhere between 10 and 30 > minutes. Which is a bit naff but at least it holds something. > > I was running it off the battery yesterday just to see how long I > could get out of it. It suddenly went off, not asleep and I couldn't > wake it. I plugged the power plug in and it still wouldn't wake. I > had to remove the battery and boot from the power pack, then putting > in the battery. > > Today it did exactly the same thing. I did notice a faint image of > what I had on the screen still barely visable. To start with I > thought the screen had broken. > > Is it normal for the machine to go off completely like that. I > thought once it go so low then it went to sleep, or is that only if > the battery is good. > > I am just a bit concerned it something more severe. This is my main > and only Mac and I can't have it go wrong. From alanbarber at mac.com Mon Feb 2 21:39:21 2009 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:39:21 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Tv's Message-ID: I own a CRT television which now has a single bright line thro the centre of the screen. Does this mean that the tube has gone? Sorry this is not strictly mac. Anyone know of repairer? regards Alan sent from my iPod touch From sc at davidviner.com Mon Feb 2 21:56:11 2009 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:56:11 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Tv's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49876BFB.8020405@davidviner.com> Alan The tube is probably not the cause of the original problem. That fault could be in anything between the electronics that generates the horizontal or vertical drive and the scan coils which drive the electron beams across the face of the tube. If the line is vertical then something in the horizontal circuitry has gone wrong, else vice versa. However, having the same amount of energy (that should be spread out over the the entire screen) condensed into a single line can damage the tube if it is left on for too long (which may be more than a few seconds). If, with the TV off for at least a minute, you can still see a faint line on the screen then, yes, the tube will be knackered - in which case it's probably not worth getting repaired. I think Snellings (Blofield - www.snellings.co.uk) do a repair service - no idea of prices, though. More here: http://www.ufindus.com/television_retail_and_repair/norwich (Mind you, all my knowledge comes from when I repaired TVs back in the 1970s - technology has moved on a bit since then, so I could be completely wrong!) David Alan Barber wrote: > I own a CRT television which now has a single bright line thro the > centre of the screen. Does this mean that the tube has gone? Sorry > this is not strictly mac. > Anyone know of repairer? > > regards > Alan > > sent from my iPod touch_______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From steve.forst at virgin.net Mon Feb 2 23:20:54 2009 From: steve.forst at virgin.net (Steve Forster) Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:20:54 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Tv's In-Reply-To: <49876BFB.8020405@davidviner.com> Message-ID: Can?t comment on possible cause but I recently used Hubbards, 8 Aylsham Rd Norwich to repair a DVD/HD recorder which they did at a reasonable price and without too much teeth sucking ? and they?ve been there a long time if that means anything. If it is tube probably not worth replacing but if it?s something else I understand from others that know more than I do that CRT?s are easier and cheaper to repair than flat screens. -- Steve Forster From: David Viner Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:56:11 +0000 To: Group list nmugs Subject: Re: [NMUG] Tv's Alan The tube is probably not the cause of the original problem. That fault could be in anything between the electronics that generates the horizontal or vertical drive and the scan coils which drive the electron beams across the face of the tube. If the line is vertical then something in the horizontal circuitry has gone wrong, else vice versa. However, having the same amount of energy (that should be spread out over the the entire screen) condensed into a single line can damage the tube if it is left on for too long (which may be more than a few seconds). If, with the TV off for at least a minute, you can still see a faint line on the screen then, yes, the tube will be knackered - in which case it's probably not worth getting repaired. I think Snellings (Blofield - www.snellings.co.uk) do a repair service - no idea of prices, though. More here: http://www.ufindus.com/television_retail_and_repair/norwich (Mind you, all my knowledge comes from when I repaired TVs back in the 1970s - technology has moved on a bit since then, so I could be completely wrong!) David Alan Barber wrote: > I own a CRT television which now has a single bright line thro the > centre of the screen. Does this mean that the tube has gone? Sorry > this is not strictly mac. > Anyone know of repairer? > > regards > Alan > > sent from my iPod touch_______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Tue Feb 3 09:14:34 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:14:34 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Mail not working Message-ID: <07AE99FD-163B-443C-AA14-333916F223A5@virgin.net> The other day I installed Panther on my Macbook (which was running Tiger) using the disks from my iMac. After installing and updating to 10.5.6. everything seems to be working except Mail. It will not send or receive. The internet is working OK. Also the Mail application will not quit unless forced to. The accounts information is correct. Any ideas please? Nathan From macman at f2s.com Tue Feb 3 09:58:36 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 09:58:36 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Mail not working In-Reply-To: <07AE99FD-163B-443C-AA14-333916F223A5@virgin.net> References: <07AE99FD-163B-443C-AA14-333916F223A5@virgin.net> Message-ID: I'm really surprised you've been able to do this, as I've always understood install disks to be machine specific, and anytime I've tried, it has come up with a message to the effect that 'This disk cannot be used on this machine' or something similar. Failure to send or receive usually means the server settings are wrong, but Mail will usually put up a splash screen to this effect - "The server is not responding" or "The server has rejected the password for account *****" Are you getting any feedback? Are you authenticating with a Password? Is the gearwheel spinning in the 'sent/sending' mailbox when trying to send? Have you checked the Advanced settings in the Mailbox? Robbie On 3 Feb 2009, at 09:14, Nathan Crosby wrote: The other day I installed Panther on my Macbook (which was running Tiger) using the disks from my iMac. After installing and updating to 10.5.6. everything seems to be working except Mail. It will not send or receive. The internet is working OK. Also the Mail application will not quit unless forced to. The accounts information is correct. Any ideas please? Nathan _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From penguin.999 at virgin.net Tue Feb 3 10:06:50 2009 From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:06:50 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Mail not working In-Reply-To: References: <07AE99FD-163B-443C-AA14-333916F223A5@virgin.net> Message-ID: <356CCF89-EDD3-4D15-B94C-0A718F20322D@virgin.net> On Feb 3, 2009, at 09:58, Robbie Murray wrote: > I'm really surprised you've been able to do this, as I've always > understood install disks to be machine specific, and anytime I've > tried, it has come up with a message to the effect that 'This disk > cannot be used on this machine' or something similar. Install discs usually are machine specific but that can be bypassed, for those who want to, by linking the two machines in Target mode and putting the discs into the correct machine but do the install on the other one. > On 3 Feb 2009, at 09:14, Nathan Crosby wrote: > > The other day I installed Panther on my Macbook (which was running > Tiger) using the disks from my iMac. Do you mean Panther or do you mean Leopard? Paul C From macman at f2s.com Tue Feb 3 10:29:16 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:29:16 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Mail not working In-Reply-To: <356CCF89-EDD3-4D15-B94C-0A718F20322D@virgin.net> References: <07AE99FD-163B-443C-AA14-333916F223A5@virgin.net> <356CCF89-EDD3-4D15-B94C-0A718F20322D@virgin.net> Message-ID: <51C95B9C-667F-4BD1-9CAD-1708A86B75A8@f2s.com> Thanks for that Paul - I learn something new every day. What a fount of knowledge this group is! Does that also mean the system could be installed on an external drive connected to the target machine to create an alternative boot disk, or is that expecting too much? Robbie On 3 Feb 2009, at 10:06, Paul Chapman wrote: On Feb 3, 2009, at 09:58, Robbie Murray wrote: > I'm really surprised you've been able to do this, as I've always > understood install disks to be machine specific, and anytime I've > tried, it has come up with a message to the effect that 'This disk > cannot be used on this machine' or something similar. Install discs usually are machine specific but that can be bypassed, for those who want to, by linking the two machines in Target mode and putting the discs into the correct machine but do the install on the other one. > On 3 Feb 2009, at 09:14, Nathan Crosby wrote: > > The other day I installed Panther on my Macbook (which was running > Tiger) using the disks from my iMac. Do you mean Panther or do you mean Leopard? Paul C _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Tue Feb 3 10:36:09 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:36:09 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Mail not working In-Reply-To: <356CCF89-EDD3-4D15-B94C-0A718F20322D@virgin.net> References: <07AE99FD-163B-443C-AA14-333916F223A5@virgin.net> <356CCF89-EDD3-4D15-B94C-0A718F20322D@virgin.net> Message-ID: <8293D310-A672-4A2C-A1A2-F3E74ECC44CC@f2s.com> Just realised what a daft question that was - if it can be installed on an external drive, then presumably it could just be done on the main machine .... Robbie Thanks for that Paul - I learn something new every day. What a fount of knowledge this group is! Does that also mean the system could be installed on an external drive connected to the target machine to create an alternative boot disk, or is that expecting too much? Robbie On 3 Feb 2009, at 10:06, Paul Chapman wrote: On Feb 3, 2009, at 09:58, Robbie Murray wrote: > I'm really surprised you've been able to do this, as I've always > understood install disks to be machine specific, and anytime I've > tried, it has come up with a message to the effect that 'This disk > cannot be used on this machine' or something similar. Install discs usually are machine specific but that can be bypassed, for those who want to, by linking the two machines in Target mode and putting the discs into the correct machine but do the install on the other one. > On 3 Feb 2009, at 09:14, Nathan Crosby wrote: > > The other day I installed Panther on my Macbook (which was running > Tiger) using the disks from my iMac. Do you mean Panther or do you mean Leopard? Paul C _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From penguin.999 at virgin.net Tue Feb 3 10:39:45 2009 From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 10:39:45 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Mail not working In-Reply-To: <51C95B9C-667F-4BD1-9CAD-1708A86B75A8@f2s.com> References: <07AE99FD-163B-443C-AA14-333916F223A5@virgin.net> <356CCF89-EDD3-4D15-B94C-0A718F20322D@virgin.net> <51C95B9C-667F-4BD1-9CAD-1708A86B75A8@f2s.com> Message-ID: <67C5F5AB-9EC5-44B1-A894-0AA8DCECC3A1@virgin.net> On Feb 3, 2009, at 10:29, Robbie Murray wrote: > Does that also mean the system could be installed on an external > drive connected to the target machine to create an alternative boot > disk, or is that expecting too much? Not sure if the external drive connected to a Target machine would show up but all you have to do is try it and see. Plenty of work arounds if it didn't. I'm not sure but I would guess that the original discs would not only be machine specific but may also be processor specific so you may not be able to install Leopard that came with a new iMac on an older G5 iMac. That's for someone else to tell us maybe. Paul C From alanbarber at mac.com Tue Feb 3 13:12:54 2009 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2009 13:12:54 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] tv. Message-ID: <5D090CFD-74D1-4EB6-A361-DA3581A90524@mac.com> Thanks to all for the tv advise. Bought an ex demo from JL. Regards Alan From rbygrave at ntlworld.com Tue Feb 3 21:14:47 2009 From: rbygrave at ntlworld.com (Ruth Bygrave) Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2009 21:14:47 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Help! Skype password Message-ID: <194F5F38-FBF1-4FFA-B477-DB81425C30AC@ntlworld.com> I want to check my Skype password (which I never see) to be able to log in on my Skype mobile. Tried going into keychain access and checking the 'show password' box on the Skype details. It comes up with an 'allow' 'deny' 'always allow' dialog box, but just gives up when I enter my login keychain password. What gives? Also, I used an old Skype account just to check I *can* log in from my mobile, and I cannot find anywhere to change my Skype name on my mobile. Confused, R From alan at asw6000.plus.com Wed Feb 4 08:21:59 2009 From: alan at asw6000.plus.com (Alan Williams) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 08:21:59 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] (no subject) Message-ID: <8A6BC408-0EB9-4B58-84E6-0D57041D673D@asw6000.plus.com> I am thinking of finally upgrading from Tiger to Leopard. My question is how well will my ibook G4 cope with Leopard ? I know that technically its possible but will it be very slow & would I be better off saving up my pennies & eventually getting a new Macbook ? Alan Williams alan at asw6000.plus.com From penguin.999 at virgin.net Wed Feb 4 08:52:53 2009 From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 08:52:53 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <8A6BC408-0EB9-4B58-84E6-0D57041D673D@asw6000.plus.com> References: <8A6BC408-0EB9-4B58-84E6-0D57041D673D@asw6000.plus.com> Message-ID: On Feb 4, 2009, at 08:21, Alan Williams wrote: > I am thinking of finally upgrading from Tiger to Leopard. My > question is how well will my ibook G4 cope with Leopard ? I know > that technically its possible but will it be very slow & would I be > better off saving up my pennies & eventually getting a new Macbook ? It will depend on the speed of your iBook and the amount of RAM you have in it. Need more details. From other forums I have seen it is not recommended if it is running less than 1GHz and has less than 1GB of RAM. Below that and you will find it slower than your present set up. Paul C From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Wed Feb 4 10:43:42 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 04 Feb 2009 10:43:42 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <8A6BC408-0EB9-4B58-84E6-0D57041D673D@asw6000.plus.com> References: <8A6BC408-0EB9-4B58-84E6-0D57041D673D@asw6000.plus.com> Message-ID: Alan What spec is your G4 PowerBook. I have Leopard on a G4 867Mhz with 768MB of RAM and Leopard runs fine. It has actually surprised me performance wise. One piece of advice. I originally upgraded from Tiger to Leopard and it did have a few problems. I decided a few days ago to wipe it and install Leopard from fresh and it runs so much better. My advice is... go for it... Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Feb 4 2009, Alan Williams wrote: I am thinking of finally upgrading from Tiger to Leopard. My question is how well will my ibook G4 cope with Leopard ? I know that technically its possible but will it be very slow & would I be better off saving up my pennies & eventually getting a new Macbook ? Alan Williams alan at asw6000.plus.com _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Wed Feb 4 10:46:07 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 04 Feb 2009 10:46:07 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Dinky Bluetooth Dongle Message-ID: Hi I know most of you have newer Macs with bluetooth built in, but some of us still rely on USB dongles. I saw this tiny USB dongle this morning, meaning it doesn't stick out of your Mac like normal dongles. http://www.memorybits.co.uk/shop/bluetooth-dongles/usb-nano-v2.0-bluetooth-dongle-/8156 Thought it might be of interest to someone. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Wed Feb 4 12:35:30 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:35:30 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Ubuntu Help Message-ID: Hi. I played with Ubuntu on a G3 a while ago and it was good but a bit slow. I tried it on my G4 the other day and it was pretty good. I think it was the last PowerPC version, Dapper Drake. Everything worked ok out-of-the-box except Airport Extreme. I've tried the Ubuntu forums and Googling it, with mixed answers. The Airport Extreme is Broadcom xx43 based. I have a Buffalo Airstation WLI 54G which in OSX shows as an official Airport Extreme card. I'd like to get it working so I can dual boot with OSX and give Ubuntu a good going through but unless I can get wireless working I shall be at a loss. Some say they having it working out of the box, some say they downloaded drivers, some use ndiswrapper. Has anyone any experience of Ubuntu on a PowerPC Mac? Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Wed Feb 4 12:44:34 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:44:34 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Sender Reply Message-ID: Hi. A little while ago Pauk changed the default reply to for the group so that instead of going to the group as a whole you replied directly to the sender. We all moaned about it to start with - me being one of them - but after using it for a while, I actually think it is good thing. You can always direct it to the whole group if you need to. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) From ashley.howes at gmail.com Wed Feb 4 17:16:47 2009 From: ashley.howes at gmail.com (Ashley Howes) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:16:47 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Recommendations sort on a very quiet external USB/Firewire hard drive Message-ID: Hi all, Can anyone here recommend a very quiet external USB / Firewire hard drive? I'm currently using a iomega 1TB drive, but you can hear the discs crunching away a lot. My iMac in contrast is very quiet and I'd like to find an external HD which matches it. I look forward to hearing your views and recommendations. -- Ashley From paulharrowing at waitrose.com Wed Feb 4 17:34:46 2009 From: paulharrowing at waitrose.com (Paul Harrowing) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:34:46 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Who or what? Message-ID: <8A0C0E06-9317-4E0B-96D3-79D8C0213DD1@waitrose.com> Is Pauk a kosher member of the group, or is it some obscure software which is messing with our settings? From jeremyknight at mac.com Wed Feb 4 17:42:38 2009 From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 17:42:38 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] new venue Message-ID: <04429DBA-DAA0-4F54-A2B4-4439D40E5011@mac.com> I have spoken to Russell at the Fat Cat Nelson St. they have room off the main Bar seats up to 30. which as far as he can tell is available. There is no charge and the parking is good street parking. If you are interested pop in and see them or email them at http://www.fatcatpub.co.uk/contact.php This is a camra winning pub and the beer is superb. jeremy From robbiemurray at f2s.com Wed Feb 4 17:51:10 2009 From: robbiemurray at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:51:10 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Recommendations sort on a very quiet external USB/Firewire hard drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6A093B59-123D-4F44-8001-508311E81F6B@f2s.com> I have a LaCie D2 Quadra 500Gb which is totally silent when not working, and almost inaudible when reading/writing. I love it, and thoroughly recommend it See it here: http://tinyurl.com/lacied2quadra500 The is simply for illustration - I haven't compared prices..... There's also a 1Tb version, and they're stackable. Robbie On 4 Feb 2009, at 17:16, Ashley Howes wrote: Hi all, Can anyone here recommend a very quiet external USB / Firewire hard drive? I'm currently using a iomega 1TB drive, but you can hear the discs crunching away a lot. My iMac in contrast is very quiet and I'd like to find an external HD which matches it. I look forward to hearing your views and recommendations. -- Ashley _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From robbiemurray at f2s.com Wed Feb 4 17:54:36 2009 From: robbiemurray at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:54:36 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Recommendations sort on a very quiet external USB/Firewire hard drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <85961435-C360-49D6-88E4-C8A8A7EE7A72@f2s.com> Should also mention it has high speed USB/Firewire400/Firewire800 (which I use - very fast), and even eSATA, which sadly the iMac hasn't got to yet, but it may well come, so it's pretty futureproof. I have a LaCie D2 Quadra 500Gb which is totally silent when not working, and almost inaudible when reading/writing. I love it, and thoroughly recommend it See it here: http://tinyurl.com/lacied2quadra500 The is simply for illustration - I haven't compared prices..... There's also a 1Tb version, and they're stackable. Robbie On 4 Feb 2009, at 17:16, Ashley Howes wrote: Hi all, Can anyone here recommend a very quiet external USB / Firewire hard drive? I'm currently using a iomega 1TB drive, but you can hear the discs crunching away a lot. My iMac in contrast is very quiet and I'd like to find an external HD which matches it. I look forward to hearing your views and recommendations. -- Ashley _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From penguin.999 at virgin.net Wed Feb 4 17:57:27 2009 From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:57:27 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] new venue In-Reply-To: <04429DBA-DAA0-4F54-A2B4-4439D40E5011@mac.com> References: <04429DBA-DAA0-4F54-A2B4-4439D40E5011@mac.com> Message-ID: <38F40D25-2CB9-494C-80D4-8CC8A90A9146@virgin.net> On Feb 4, 2009, at 17:42, jeremy knight wrote: > I have spoken to Russell at the Fat Cat Nelson St. > they have room off the main Bar seats up to 30. which as far as he > can tell is available. > There is no charge and the parking is good street parking. > If you are interested pop in and see them or email them at > http://www.fatcatpub.co.uk/contact.php > This is a camra winning pub and the beer is superb. That's almost local for some of our regulars. Thanks for looking into it, maybe I will pop in and have a look myself next time I am over there. Paul C From jeremyknight at mac.com Wed Feb 4 18:22:53 2009 From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 18:22:53 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] facebook Message-ID: Evening all, My wife wishes to see her daughters entry on Facebook. Facebook does not support mac.mail which is the best and easiest that members have found that also doesn't put the email on all manner of lists? jeremy From paul at durrant.co.uk Wed Feb 4 19:08:11 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 19:08:11 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] new venue In-Reply-To: <04429DBA-DAA0-4F54-A2B4-4439D40E5011@mac.com> References: <04429DBA-DAA0-4F54-A2B4-4439D40E5011@mac.com> Message-ID: <4FBB5114-20F0-41BF-BB4B-48EC2D0186DC@durrant.co.uk> Street parking isn't ideal, but a free room with space for up to 30 people sounds good to me. Any other suggestions for a new venue? Paul On 4 Feb 2009, at 17:42, jeremy knight wrote: > I have spoken to Russell at the Fat Cat Nelson St. > they have room off the main Bar seats up to 30. which as far as he > can tell is available. > There is no charge and the parking is good street parking. > If you are interested pop in and see them or email them at > http://www.fatcatpub.co.uk/contact.php > This is a camra winning pub and the beer is superb. From ajf at afco.demon.co.uk Thu Feb 5 09:55:23 2009 From: ajf at afco.demon.co.uk (Alan Fry) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 09:55:23 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Broadband performance measurement Message-ID: <5ADDCB28-F63F-4400-ADB3-355B8011E0C6@afco.demon.co.uk> I read today that Google (in partnership with academia) has launched Measurement Lab which provides several diagnostic tools detecting network connection problems including ISP throttling peer-to-peer connections or handicapping specific applications or sites and information about causes of slow download/upload speeds. There are apparently 36 test servers in the US and Europe to choose from. Participation is invited: M-Lab welcomes the participation of companies, institutions, and researchers who would like to help expand the platform and ensure its growth and success. I hope this might be of interest to any who have not seen the announcement (coupled with apologies for bothering those who have). Alan Fry From angieking at mac.com Thu Feb 5 10:05:26 2009 From: angieking at mac.com (Angie King) Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 10:05:26 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Router and Broadband providers Message-ID: My son is about to buy an I-Mac and has asked my advice on routers and Broadband providers. I have a Netgear router DG834G which I have been very pleased with but I realise that this is several years old now. Please could anyone suggest a newer router for him? I am also with Freedom to Surf which once again I have been very happy with. However, there may be a better provider or a phone/broadband package available, once again suggestions would be most welcome. Thanks Angie King From robbiemurray at f2s.com Thu Feb 5 10:45:39 2009 From: robbiemurray at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 10:45:39 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Router and Broadband providers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7E67A854-4751-438E-9A84-10F106DFA6CB@f2s.com> I've had several routers, but keep coming back to the DG834, as it's so simple to set up, reboot, and if necessary, troubleshoot. Currently I have the latest DG834T, which I'm very happy with - very reliable and stable, whether using ethernet or wireless. Regarding providers, my problems with f2s are well documented on this group, but perhaps I've just been unlucky. They were brilliant until taken over by Pipex, and now it's all part of Tiscali has gone from bad to worse for me - I've been waiting since 20th January for them to reply to a tech support ticket, and the phoneline queues can be endless, so at 10p/minute you can clock up a fair bill before even talking to anyone. If I was looking to a new provider I'd go with Zen - very professional and ideal for business, but for a domestic service my 2nd choice would be Namesco - our offices have services with both, and they're good as gold. I would suggest your choice of provider should take account of download allowances, as some are very mean, and charges for extra bandwidth can be quite a shock if you exceed your plan limit. If he is liable to do a lot of downloading, streaming video and using iPlayer it can soon mount up! Hope this helps Robbie On 5 Feb 2009, at 10:05, Angie King wrote: My son is about to buy an I-Mac and has asked my advice on routers and Broadband providers. I have a Netgear router DG834G which I have been very pleased with but I realise that this is several years old now. Please could anyone suggest a newer router for him? I am also with Freedom to Surf which once again I have been very happy with. However, there may be a better provider or a phone/broadband package available, once again suggestions would be most welcome. Thanks Angie King _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Thu Feb 5 11:04:38 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 05 Feb 2009 11:04:38 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Wow! ModBook Tablet Message-ID: Hi Check this out. http://www.powerbookmedic.com/xcart1/product.php?productid=17242 Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. From ghowells at f2s.com Thu Feb 5 11:46:02 2009 From: ghowells at f2s.com (G.Howells) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 11:46:02 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Router and Broadband providers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Angie.. f2s. There was a comment here about recent poor service from them. They have been working on their email delivery service apparently and I have experienced delays for some weeks, with the broadband connection dropping after a few minutes of non-use, and the connection having to be re-established via the modem-router. But for the past few days things have been back to normal, with the connection being dropped only once. In the past they have usually given a fairly reliable service for a low payment, and with 500 mins free phone calls thrown in, so at present I'm adopting a wait-and-see policy before deciding whether things are now OK or whether to change ISP with all the resultant fuss of choosing a new provider and also informing everyone of new email address, etc. Not much help perhaps with your present problem about choosing an ISP for a new account, but perhaps others will say if in their experience the f2s service is back to normal. Gordon. >My son is about to buy an I-Mac and has asked my advice on routers >and Broadband providers. > >I have a Netgear router DG834G which I have been very pleased with >but I realise that this is several years old now. Please could >anyone suggest a newer router for him? > >I am also with Freedom to Surf which once again I have been very >happy with. However, there may be a better provider or a >phone/broadband package available, once again suggestions would be >most welcome. > >Thanks > >Angie King >_______________________________________________ >NMUG mailing list >NMUG at durrant.co.uk >http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From valeriehardman at btinternet.com Thu Feb 5 17:40:17 2009 From: valeriehardman at btinternet.com (VALERIE HARDMAN) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 17:40:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [NMUG] Re: Pauk and default reply In-Reply-To: <20090205104545.0E01B804B51@mail.durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <874089.85756.qm@web86507.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Is this why some of the lines of postings (originals and replies) seem to be truncated or partially missing. I find it very interesting to read the postings and the replies as I can learn things I didn't even know I didn't know, but recently some items seem to have no continuity to them. Valerie - > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 12:44:34 +0000 > From: "Simon Royal" > Subject: [NMUG] Sender Reply > To: NMUG > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hi. > > A little while ago Pauk changed the default reply to for > the group so that instead of going to the group as a whole > you replied directly to the sender. > > We all moaned about it to start with - me being one of them > - but after using it for a while, I actually think it is > good thing. > > You can always direct it to the whole group if you need to. > > Simon > > --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk > (sent using Nokia E71) > > > > ------------------------------ > > > Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 17:34:46 +0000 > From: Paul Harrowing > Subject: [NMUG] Who or what? > To: Norwich Mac User Group list > Message-ID: > <8A0C0E06-9317-4E0B-96D3-79D8C0213DD1 at waitrose.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; > delsp=yes > > Is Pauk a kosher member of the group, or is it some obscure > software > which is messing with our settings? > > > ------------------------------ > > From valeriehardman at btinternet.com Thu Feb 5 17:44:34 2009 From: valeriehardman at btinternet.com (VALERIE HARDMAN) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 17:44:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [NMUG] Re Fat Cat In-Reply-To: <20090205104545.0E01B804B51@mail.durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <828745.94775.qm@web86512.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Any possible venues nearer the centre? If the Fat Cat suits lots of people who come to the meetings that would obviously be a good place to meet, but it would be difficult for me. Valerie > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 17:42:38 +0000 > From: jeremy knight > Subject: [NMUG] new venue > To: Norwich Mac User Group list > Message-ID: > <04429DBA-DAA0-4F54-A2B4-4439D40E5011 at mac.com> > > > I have spoken to Russell at the Fat Cat Nelson St. > they have room off the main Bar seats up to 30. which as > far as he > can tell is available. > There is no charge and the parking is good street parking. > If you are interested pop in and see them or email them at > http://www.fatcatpub.co.uk/contact.php > This is a camra winning pub and the beer is superb. > jeremy > > > ------------------------------ > > From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu Feb 5 17:50:40 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 17:50:40 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Re Fat Cat In-Reply-To: <828745.94775.qm@web86512.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <828745.94775.qm@web86512.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: More suggestions are welcomed. Fat Cat has been the only one so far. Paul On 5 Feb 2009, at 17:44, VALERIE HARDMAN wrote: > Any possible venues nearer the centre? If the Fat Cat suits lots of > people who come to the meetings that would obviously be a good place > to meet, but it would be difficult for me. > Valerie > > > >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 17:42:38 +0000 >> From: jeremy knight >> Subject: [NMUG] new venue >> To: Norwich Mac User Group list >> Message-ID: >> <04429DBA-DAA0-4F54-A2B4-4439D40E5011 at mac.com> >> >> >> I have spoken to Russell at the Fat Cat Nelson St. >> they have room off the main Bar seats up to 30. which as >> far as he >> can tell is available. >> There is no charge and the parking is good street parking. >> If you are interested pop in and see them or email them at >> http://www.fatcatpub.co.uk/contact.php >> This is a camra winning pub and the beer is superb. >> jeremy >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From penguin.999 at virgin.net Thu Feb 5 17:54:39 2009 From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 17:54:39 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Re Fat Cat In-Reply-To: <828745.94775.qm@web86512.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <828745.94775.qm@web86512.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2F46B033-EEDF-4815-9A14-FB53985F4AAD@virgin.net> On Feb 5, 2009, at 17:44, VALERIE HARDMAN wrote: > Any possible venues nearer the centre? If the Fat Cat suits lots of > people who come to the meetings that would obviously be a good place > to meet, but it would be difficult for me. Nearer the centre starts giving us parking problems. The link Jeremy gave will also give a map so what do other s think about the location? Any of the regulars think it would put them off coming? Any others think it might mean they could attend? I usually have an 18 mile journey from the east of Norwich anyway so this would mean crossing the city as well. Probably wouldn't put me off though. Paul C From ashley.howes at gmail.com Fri Feb 6 08:06:34 2009 From: ashley.howes at gmail.com (Ashley Howes) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 08:06:34 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Slower boot run than normal Message-ID: Hi all, Thanks for the advice on quiet hard drives. I have another query. Over the last few days, my iMac has been taking longer to boot than normal (approx. 30 seconds compared to roughly 15 seconds before). The delay occurs on the initial grey screen *before* the apple logo appears. Any ideas what might be causing this? Should I be worried? Is there anywhere I can look, procedures I can follow or software I can use to determine if a problem is occuring in software or hardware? -- Ashley From june.perrett at mac.com Fri Feb 6 15:13:52 2009 From: june.perrett at mac.com (June Perrett) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 15:13:52 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Two courses organised by SMAC Message-ID: Is anyone interested in attending one or both? My husband and I have booked for the Beginners Course - Leopard (on Wed. 22/4/09) and could fit two more in the car. As my husband is not interested in Photoshop Elements 6 I wondered if anyone in the Norwich area is interested? A car driver if possible so I don't have to use my car each time. For more details please refer back to Mike Kwasniak's post on 5 February 2009 at 09:13:27 on our NMUG site or email him at If interested please contact me offline. Regards June (Perrett) From paul at durrant.co.uk Fri Feb 6 17:28:36 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 17:28:36 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: email from the Suffolk Mac User Group to June Perrett References: <17550417-16A4-494A-8A4B-D568DDA01162@mac.com> Message-ID: <18C6EC12-28AA-4E6F-956F-04523987D97B@durrant.co.uk> Here's a note from the Suffolk Mac User Group about some possible courses they're looking at running. I have no further info, so if you want to find out more, please contact Mike Kwasniak directly. Paul Begin forwarded message: > From: Mike Kwasniak > Date: 5 February 2009 09:13:27 GMT > Subject: Suffolk Mac User Group - URGENT REPLY REQUESTED > > > Hi Folks > > Like last year, we plan to run a beginners course and Photoshop > Elements course later in the spring. If you haven't already done so, > and if you think you might be interested in joining either of these, > please drop me an e-mail by return, as we need to ensure that > there's enough interest to warrant further planning... > > BEGINNERS COURSE - LEOPARD > > Date: 22 April Likely cost: ?10 > > An evening devoted to the very basics of OSX, Apple's wonderful > operating system. This event is aimed specifically at inexperienced > users who would like to make fuller use of, and gain a better > understanding of, their macs. > > PHOTOSHOP ELEMENTS 6 > > Dates: 29 April, 6 May, 13 May 20 May Likely cost: ?30 > > Four sessions aimed at de-mystifying Elements 6. Every aspect of > image manipulation and management will be covered including colour > correction, making selections, layers, cropping, type, retouching > and healing, filters, photomerge, Bridge and printing. > > Requirements: A copy of Elements 6 and, ideally, a Wacom drawing > tablet. > > If you have not already done so, and think either of these courses > might interest you, please register your interest by dropping me an > e-mail TODAY. > > All the best > > Mike From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Fri Feb 6 18:55:15 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:55:15 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Kanga Message-ID: Hi. Does anyone have an old PowerBook G3 'Kanga' kicking around looking for a new home and a new lease of life. It was the first PowerBook to have a G3 processor and looked similar to the 3400. I have owned every other model G3 PowerBook and would like to complete the collection and would also love a classic machine I can dabble with OS 8.6 and 9.1 It needs to be working with a power supply, but condition or battery life isn't important. Simon PS. If anyone has any other old PowerBook capable of running OS8 I'd be interested. My wife had a 1400cs and I thought it was lovely, but she parted with it. --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) From alanbarber at mac.com Fri Feb 6 21:46:29 2009 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2009 21:46:29 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] passwords Message-ID: a colleague at work has a G5 Imac intel running 10.5. She bought it second hand and when trying to load apps it keeps asking for a password. She wonders if the previous owner had one and how can she find it? Any help please for me to pass on. Regards Alan From paul at durrant.co.uk Fri Feb 6 22:43:46 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 22:43:46 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] passwords In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <23D67342-6F7B-4368-9EB5-26517C137453@durrant.co.uk> Yes, it has a password. Point her to http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1274 the section half way down marked "Resetting the original administrator account password" Having done that, she'll also need to read and follow http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1631 to reset the keychain password. regards, Paul On 6 Feb 2009, at 21:46, Alan Barber wrote: > a colleague at work has a G5 Imac intel running 10.5. > She bought it second hand and when trying to load apps it keeps > asking for a password. > She wonders if the previous owner had one and how can she find it? > Any help please for me to pass on. > > Regards > > Alan > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From macman at f2s.com Fri Feb 6 23:16:38 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 23:16:38 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] passwords In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13F10A0A-D433-4330-8DA1-70A7DE27B5A0@f2s.com> What she can do is boot from the install Disk which should have come with it, (hold down 'C' key while booting) but not re-install. Simply go to Utilities and there should be an option to change password, enter a new password and reboot normally. Otherwise could be a complete reinstall, which could require a retail copy of the OS, or see Paul C's recent advice to the group. Best read this first ...... http://tinyurl.com/osxchangepassword Robbie On 6 Feb 2009, at 21:46, Alan Barber wrote: a colleague at work has a G5 Imac intel running 10.5. She bought it second hand and when trying to load apps it keeps asking for a password. She wonders if the previous owner had one and how can she find it? Any help please for me to pass on. Regards Alan _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From robharrington at mac.com Sat Feb 7 09:45:38 2009 From: robharrington at mac.com (ROB HARRINGTON) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 09:45:38 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Sender reply Message-ID: <5FA4BC1F-8C31-4530-8C25-A6D24B1E3B10@mac.com> Regarding Simon's message below- I wasn't around for the moaning but I miss seeing the question / answer process. I learnt quite a lot by looking in on problems that didn't directly affect me at the time. Was this covered in the moaning? RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob Hi. A little while ago Pauk changed the default reply to for the group so that instead of going to the group as a whole you replied directly to the sender. We all moaned about it to start with - me being one of them - but after using it for a while, I actually think it is good thing. You can always direct it to the whole group if you need to. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) ______________________________________________ From macman at f2s.com Sat Feb 7 11:06:42 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 11:06:42 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Sender reply In-Reply-To: <5FA4BC1F-8C31-4530-8C25-A6D24B1E3B10@mac.com> References: <5FA4BC1F-8C31-4530-8C25-A6D24B1E3B10@mac.com> Message-ID: I agree: there's so much wisdom and knowledge within the group that I found it very useful to be able to follow a thread to its conclusion - usually a resolution to a problem from which I can learn! As it stands, we often see only odd snippets, which I find rather frustrating. I'd be delighted to see it revert to the old format, but will bow to the majority .... Robbie follow On 7 Feb 2009, at 09:45, ROB HARRINGTON wrote: Regarding Simon's message below- I wasn't around for the moaning but I miss seeing the question / answer process. I learnt quite a lot by looking in on problems that didn't directly affect me at the time. Was this covered in the moaning? RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob Hi. A little while ago Pauk changed the default reply to for the group so that instead of going to the group as a whole you replied directly to the sender. We all moaned about it to start with - me being one of them - but after using it for a while, I actually think it is good thing. You can always direct it to the whole group if you need to. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) ______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ernienmug at f2s.com Sat Feb 7 11:47:33 2009 From: ernienmug at f2s.com (Ernie Ives) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 11:47:33 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Sender reply In-Reply-To: References: <5FA4BC1F-8C31-4530-8C25-A6D24B1E3B10@mac.com> Message-ID: Ernie Ives Marquetarian and microscopist I agree too. The one good thing is we no longer get the 'instant messenger' type correspondence between two or three members (one of whom I blocked because of it). If the questions are relevant to the group, then it is good to see all the answers on the thread. I saw from the heading that by hitting the reply button this would only have gone to Robbie; I've had to cc it to the group Best wishes Ernie On 7 Feb 2009, at 11:06, Robbie Murray wrote: > I agree: there's so much wisdom and knowledge within the group that > I found it very useful to be able to follow a thread to its > conclusion - usually a resolution to a problem from which I can learn! > > As it stands, we often see only odd snippets, which I find rather > frustrating. > > I'd be delighted to see it revert to the old format, but will bow to > the majority .... > > Robbie > > > > > > > > > > follow > On 7 Feb 2009, at 09:45, ROB HARRINGTON wrote: > > > Regarding Simon's message below- > I wasn't around for the moaning but I miss seeing the question / > answer process. > I learnt quite a lot by looking in on problems that didn't directly > affect me at the time. > Was this covered in the moaning? > > RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob > > Hi. > > A little while ago Pauk changed the default reply to for the group > so that instead of going to the group as a whole you replied > directly to the sender. > > We all moaned about it to start with - me being one of them - but > after using it for a while, I actually think it is good thing. > > You can always direct it to the whole group if you need to. > > Simon > > --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent > using Nokia E71) > > ______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From mghc.repps at virgin.net Sat Feb 7 11:57:35 2009 From: mghc.repps at virgin.net (Michael Crook) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 11:57:35 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Sender reply In-Reply-To: References: <5FA4BC1F-8C31-4530-8C25-A6D24B1E3B10@mac.com> Message-ID: <03C39BD9-447D-4825-AEE3-387A9B8B44C3@virgin.net> Please can I add my vote to the "I agree" list - even though I find the majority of 'regal' contributions somewhat tiresome. - Michael. 07.02.09. On 7 Feb 2009, at 11:47, Ernie Ives wrote: > > Ernie Ives Marquetarian and microscopist > > I agree too. > > The one good thing is we no longer get the 'instant messenger' type > correspondence between two or three members (one of whom I blocked > because of it). If the questions are relevant to the group, then it > is good to see all the answers on the thread. > > I saw from the heading that by hitting the reply button this would > only have gone to Robbie; I've had to cc it to the group > > Best wishes > Ernie > > > > On 7 Feb 2009, at 11:06, Robbie Murray wrote: > >> I agree: there's so much wisdom and knowledge within the group that >> I found it very useful to be able to follow a thread to its >> conclusion - usually a resolution to a problem from which I can >> learn! >> >> As it stands, we often see only odd snippets, which I find rather >> frustrating. >> >> I'd be delighted to see it revert to the old format, but will bow >> to the majority .... >> >> Robbie >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> follow >> On 7 Feb 2009, at 09:45, ROB HARRINGTON wrote: >> >> >> Regarding Simon's message below- >> I wasn't around for the moaning but I miss seeing the question / >> answer process. >> I learnt quite a lot by looking in on problems that didn't directly >> affect me at the time. >> Was this covered in the moaning? >> >> RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob >> >> Hi. >> >> A little while ago Pauk changed the default reply to for the group >> so that instead of going to the group as a whole you replied >> directly to the sender. >> >> We all moaned about it to start with - me being one of them - but >> after using it for a while, I actually think it is good thing. >> >> You can always direct it to the whole group if you need to. >> >> Simon >> >> --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent >> using Nokia E71) >> >> ______________________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> NMUG mailing list >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NMUG mailing list >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net Sat Feb 7 11:58:05 2009 From: Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net (Jeremy Webb) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 11:58:05 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Sender reply In-Reply-To: References: <5FA4BC1F-8C31-4530-8C25-A6D24B1E3B10@mac.com> Message-ID: <62161390-E60D-4A4D-9B8C-EB93E2FD3F75@virgin.net> Phew! I thought it was just me. Glad to see the movement rising. Sometimes I can only catch up with postings several days later and when I do, I find an interesting topic started and open to everyone, then you follow it and the trail just vanishes, which was spectacularly annoying recently when there was a discussion started about security settings and Netgear routers which just vanished. This current method doesn't seem to work if you can put out a message to the whole group, and then a member opts to simply reply to the individual without posting it to the group. Can we revert to the old system please? Jeremy Webb Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net On 7 Feb 2009, at 11:06, Robbie Murray wrote: > I agree: there's so much wisdom and knowledge within the group that > I found it very useful to be able to follow a thread to its > conclusion - usually a resolution to a problem from which I can learn! > > As it stands, we often see only odd snippets, which I find rather > frustrating. > > I'd be delighted to see it revert to the old format, but will bow > to the majority .... > > Robbie > > > > > > > > > > follow > On 7 Feb 2009, at 09:45, ROB HARRINGTON wrote: > > > Regarding Simon's message below- > I wasn't around for the moaning but I miss seeing the question / > answer process. > I learnt quite a lot by looking in on problems that didn't directly > affect me at the time. > Was this covered in the moaning? > > RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob > > Hi. > > A little while ago Pauk changed the default reply to for the group > so that instead of going to the group as a whole you replied > directly to the sender. > > We all moaned about it to start with - me being one of them - but > after using it for a while, I actually think it is good thing. > > You can always direct it to the whole group if you need to. > > Simon > > --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent > using Nokia E71) > > ______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Sat Feb 7 12:15:36 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 12:15:36 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] (no subject) Message-ID: Me too! Martin www.martinfryphotography.com From paulharrowing at waitrose.com Sat Feb 7 12:24:30 2009 From: paulharrowing at waitrose.com (Paul Harrowing) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 12:24:30 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Replies Message-ID: <1CEA1BAF-6490-4FD7-8692-EBB69DEE907D@waitrose.com> This is what we're on about. I just agreed with all the others and then proceeded to send my response to just one of the posters. Sorry Jeremy. What's the sense in having a group if you only see half the emails. We will just have to filter out the rubbish ourselves. Revert. PAH From djr.massy at ntlworld.com Sat Feb 7 12:34:54 2009 From: djr.massy at ntlworld.com (DJR Massy) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 12:34:54 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Sender reply In-Reply-To: <20090207115816.1636B805F78@mail.durrant.co.uk> References: <20090207115816.1636B805F78@mail.durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <5CCBC0A2-62DA-4823-A3A9-94EC2247B6E7@ntlworld.com> On 7 Feb 2009, at 11:58, Jeremy Webb wrote: > Can we revert to the old system please? I agree too! Jim. From rachaelandrews at ntlworld.com Sat Feb 7 12:37:41 2009 From: rachaelandrews at ntlworld.com (Rachael) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 12:37:41 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Sender reply In-Reply-To: <62161390-E60D-4A4D-9B8C-EB93E2FD3F75@virgin.net> References: <5FA4BC1F-8C31-4530-8C25-A6D24B1E3B10@mac.com> <62161390-E60D-4A4D-9B8C-EB93E2FD3F75@virgin.net> Message-ID: <528F059C-7EF8-4FB5-B51E-5A0C7AF5A939@ntlworld.com> On 7 Feb 2009, at 11:58, Jeremy Webb wrote: > > > Can we revert to the old system please? > > > Jeremy Webb What he said. I have stopped posting to the group by and large because it's hard to remember to tell voiceover to go up and change the reply to field. I ended up replying to just the sender when I wanted to go to the group because I forgot, and that made me feel like a big nit alot of the time. Which of course I am, but let's not keep rubbing it in. ;) Back to the old system please ? Rachael From penguin.999 at virgin.net Sat Feb 7 12:42:28 2009 From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 12:42:28 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Sender reply In-Reply-To: <62161390-E60D-4A4D-9B8C-EB93E2FD3F75@virgin.net> References: <5FA4BC1F-8C31-4530-8C25-A6D24B1E3B10@mac.com> <62161390-E60D-4A4D-9B8C-EB93E2FD3F75@virgin.net> Message-ID: <94CB2D93-E6B3-4E03-A02E-B86AE98D254A@virgin.net> Hahahaha...silly me. I sent the message below then realised I had totally ignored my own advice, sorry Jeremy. ******************************************************** Although I mostly agree with the idea of going back to the old way, in case it either isn't known or I have missed it being mentioned here if you are using Apple's Mail then just get into the habit of hitting 'Reply All' instead of just 'Reply'. This will send the message to both the originator and the group. Paul C From david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk Sat Feb 7 12:43:30 2009 From: david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk (David Reynolds) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 12:43:30 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Sender reply In-Reply-To: <528F059C-7EF8-4FB5-B51E-5A0C7AF5A939@ntlworld.com> References: <5FA4BC1F-8C31-4530-8C25-A6D24B1E3B10@mac.com> <62161390-E60D-4A4D-9B8C-EB93E2FD3F75@virgin.net> <528F059C-7EF8-4FB5-B51E-5A0C7AF5A939@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <375992370902070443m1885c2dbvc2c7379394661ed8@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/7 Rachael : > Back to the old system please ? Another vote from me for the old system. -- David Reynolds david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk From paulharrowing at waitrose.com Sat Feb 7 12:51:54 2009 From: paulharrowing at waitrose.com (Paul Harrowing) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 12:51:54 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Reply all Message-ID: <310E744B-426D-473D-9398-23F7FBB8FED9@waitrose.com> I hope Pauk (sic) doesn't think we're revolting :-) Or that I am being precocious for putting (sic). PAH From mercer at gotadsl.co.uk Sat Feb 7 13:04:07 2009 From: mercer at gotadsl.co.uk (Valerie Mercer) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 13:04:07 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Sender reply In-Reply-To: <62161390-E60D-4A4D-9B8C-EB93E2FD3F75@virgin.net> References: <5FA4BC1F-8C31-4530-8C25-A6D24B1E3B10@mac.com> <62161390-E60D-4A4D-9B8C-EB93E2FD3F75@virgin.net> Message-ID: Yes - please let's go back to the old system. Valerie On 7 Feb 2009, at 11:58, Jeremy Webb wrote: Phew! I thought it was just me. Glad to see the movement rising. Sometimes I can only catch up with postings several days later and when I do, I find an interesting topic started and open to everyone, then you follow it and the trail just vanishes, which was spectacularly annoying recently when there was a discussion started about security settings and Netgear routers which just vanished. This current method doesn't seem to work if you can put out a message to the whole group, and then a member opts to simply reply to the individual without posting it to the group. Can we revert to the old system please? Jeremy Webb Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net On 7 Feb 2009, at 11:06, Robbie Murray wrote: > I agree: there's so much wisdom and knowledge within the group that > I found it very useful to be able to follow a thread to its > conclusion - usually a resolution to a problem from which I can learn! > > As it stands, we often see only odd snippets, which I find rather > frustrating. > > I'd be delighted to see it revert to the old format, but will bow to > the majority .... > > Robbie > > > > > > > > > > follow > On 7 Feb 2009, at 09:45, ROB HARRINGTON wrote: > > > Regarding Simon's message below- > I wasn't around for the moaning but I miss seeing the question / > answer process. > I learnt quite a lot by looking in on problems that didn't directly > affect me at the time. > Was this covered in the moaning? > > RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob > > Hi. > > A little while ago Pauk changed the default reply to for the group > so that instead of going to the group as a whole you replied > directly to the sender. > > We all moaned about it to start with - me being one of them - but > after using it for a while, I actually think it is good thing. > > You can always direct it to the whole group if you need to. > > Simon > > --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent > using Nokia E71) > > ______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From brian at clearlight.uk.net Sat Feb 7 13:27:25 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 13:27:25 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Sender reply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Having resubbed after a time away I was unaware of the change and thought I was addressing all I have always felt a value in joining so as to be a resource to which we give and from which we receive. I can be hired for individual tuition or troubleshooting - but give freely of my time when it is in the 'public domain'. I had felt a strange sense disconnected threads on returning and now it becomes clear why. We all live from different levels of responsibility and there might be all sorts of mailings that I feel would be better done as a private message offlist. In other words if it is particularly one person I want to thank or respond to - then I wouldn't send it to everyone's attention. However - such can lead to depriving the group of further interesting related information. Deleting mails is easy. Getting annoyed at mails is perhaps an opportunity to realize one has gotten involved in a 'TV soap opera' - the archetypal characters are all already within our minds and get replayed or recycled in our dramas. But beyond every seeming caricature - is a real human being. Managing attention is part of modern life. We can and need only attend to what is relevant for us and let the rest go. My liability is that I can give too much of my time when I have other needs - and if that becomes so I may 'disappear' from time to time. But it is a factor if the list become overrun by private conversations that I can feel like a voyeur rather than a participant. Now I know about the changes to list settings - I can hopefully - remember to use 'reply all' - but if others do not then it will remain a series of part threads. So I would add my voice to stating a preference that a reply went to the group by default and if I want to send only to sender I can choose to do so from right clicking the sender. all the best Brian Robbie Murray said recently: > I agree: there's so much wisdom and knowledge within the group that I > found it very useful to be able to follow a thread to its conclusion - > usually a resolution to a problem from which I can learn! > > As it stands, we often see only odd snippets, which I find rather > frustrating. > > I'd be delighted to see it revert to the old format, but will bow to > the majority .... > > Robbie > > > > > > > > > > follow > On 7 Feb 2009, at 09:45, ROB HARRINGTON wrote: > > > Regarding Simon's message below- > I wasn't around for the moaning but I miss seeing the question / > answer process. > I learnt quite a lot by looking in on problems that didn't directly > affect me at the time. > Was this covered in the moaning? > > RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob > > Hi. > > A little while ago Pauk changed the default reply to for the group so > that instead of going to the group as a whole you replied directly to > the sender. > > We all moaned about it to start with - me being one of them - but > after using it for a while, I actually think it is good thing. > > You can always direct it to the whole group if you need to. > > Simon > > --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent using > Nokia E71) > > ______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From phil.charnley at ntlworld.com Sat Feb 7 13:44:49 2009 From: phil.charnley at ntlworld.com (Phil Charnley) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 13:44:49 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Sender reply In-Reply-To: References: <5FA4BC1F-8C31-4530-8C25-A6D24B1E3B10@mac.com> <62161390-E60D-4A4D-9B8C-EB93E2FD3F75@virgin.net> Message-ID: Me too! On 7 Feb 2009, at 13:04:07, Valerie Mercer wrote: > Yes - please let's go back to the old system. > > Valerie > > On 7 Feb 2009, at 11:58, Jeremy Webb wrote: > > Phew! I thought it was just me. Glad to see the movement rising. > Sometimes I can only catch up with postings several days later and > when I do, I find an interesting topic started and open to everyone, > then you follow it and the trail just vanishes, which was > spectacularly annoying recently when there was a discussion started > about security settings and Netgear routers which just vanished. > This current method doesn't seem to work if you can put out a > message to the whole group, and then a member opts to simply reply > to the individual without posting it to the group. > > Can we revert to the old system please? > > > Jeremy Webb > Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net > > > On 7 Feb 2009, at 11:06, Robbie Murray wrote: > >> I agree: there's so much wisdom and knowledge within the group that >> I found it very useful to be able to follow a thread to its >> conclusion - usually a resolution to a problem from which I can >> learn! >> >> As it stands, we often see only odd snippets, which I find rather >> frustrating. >> >> I'd be delighted to see it revert to the old format, but will bow >> to the majority .... >> >> Robbie >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> follow >> On 7 Feb 2009, at 09:45, ROB HARRINGTON wrote: >> >> >> Regarding Simon's message below- >> I wasn't around for the moaning but I miss seeing the question / >> answer process. >> I learnt quite a lot by looking in on problems that didn't directly >> affect me at the time. >> Was this covered in the moaning? >> >> RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob >> >> Hi. >> >> A little while ago Pauk changed the default reply to for the group >> so that instead of going to the group as a whole you replied >> directly to the sender. >> >> We all moaned about it to start with - me being one of them - but >> after using it for a while, I actually think it is good thing. >> >> You can always direct it to the whole group if you need to. >> >> Simon >> >> --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent >> using Nokia E71) >> >> ______________________________________________ >> _______________________________________________ >> NMUG mailing list >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NMUG mailing list >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Sat Feb 7 13:52:03 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 13:52:03 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Sender reply Message-ID: Hi. I am one of the biggest culprits for sending rubbish to the group (although I did start this thread off). I promise to keep myself in check and not fill everyones inbox with tripe. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: [NMUG] Sender reply From: David Reynolds Date: 07/02/2009 12:43 2009/2/7 Rachael : > Back to the old system please ? Another vote from me for the old system. -- David Reynolds david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From alanbarber at mac.com Sat Feb 7 14:12:05 2009 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 14:12:05 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] reply Message-ID: <1FA65311-0CC5-47C1-9D02-DCD3534B716D@mac.com> Old system please and I've just discovered what reply all means! Regards Alan From david.maskell at ntlworld.com Sat Feb 7 14:12:37 2009 From: david.maskell at ntlworld.com (David Maskell) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 14:12:37 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Sender reply Message-ID: Me TOO!!! I would like to see all emails, not just a few... it gives me something to read, and there might also be something useful that I might be able to use myself... I always get a little bit confused on how to reply to an email in the NMUG digests.... as I seem to always 'quote' the entire post when I reply back.... I wonder if I have done it this time...? David Maskell By the way, Machiest is giving away a little app called shovebox... it's an invaluable little thing because you can er.. shove things into it that you might be interested in, or want to put somewhere, but want easy access to... pics/links/text anything... :-) From h.tamplin at btinternet.com Sat Feb 7 14:08:58 2009 From: h.tamplin at btinternet.com (Heather Tamplin) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 14:08:58 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] sender reply Message-ID: I like following the thread too - and that mac users can be OC about all things Mac Heather From hidunc at ntlworld.com Sat Feb 7 15:05:31 2009 From: hidunc at ntlworld.com (J L Duncan Bradford) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 15:05:31 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Re Sender reply Message-ID: I get my emails as digests - and seem to miss some, such as the start of this thread - but I've never worked out how to reliably post replies or new messages. I always post to nmug at durrant.co.uk and never had one returned yet, but they don't always end up on my screen via nmug. Reply? I missed the chunk about the change so was unaware of any change. Am I correct in thinking that to reply to a post from the digest its easiest just to paste the relevant content into a new email? [and remember a subject entry - haha - though I did this time!] Dunc From bazyoungs at mac.com Sat Feb 7 15:06:42 2009 From: bazyoungs at mac.com (Barry Youngs) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:06:42 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Sender reply In-Reply-To: References: <5FA4BC1F-8C31-4530-8C25-A6D24B1E3B10@mac.com> Message-ID: <46387298-8824-4EF9-BD92-024F2D11D024@mac.com> Yep, me too Barry On 7 Feb 2009, at 11:06, Robbie Murray wrote: > I agree: there's so much wisdom and knowledge within the group that > I found it very useful to be able to follow a thread to its > conclusion - usually a resolution to a problem from which I can learn! > > As it stands, we often see only odd snippets, which I find rather > frustrating. > > I'd be delighted to see it revert to the old format, but will bow to > the majority .... > > Robbie > > > > > I wish I was where I was when I was wishing I was here. From paul at durrant.co.uk Sat Feb 7 15:11:41 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 15:11:41 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Sender reply In-Reply-To: <5FA4BC1F-8C31-4530-8C25-A6D24B1E3B10@mac.com> References: <5FA4BC1F-8C31-4530-8C25-A6D24B1E3B10@mac.com> Message-ID: <89276C56-57A0-4BB7-B154-7B98D0AAD74D@durrant.co.uk> OK, OK, I get the message. Replies now go to the group by default. Paul NMUG listmaster From robharrington at mac.com Sat Feb 7 15:36:29 2009 From: robharrington at mac.com (ROB HARRINGTON) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:36:29 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Sender reply Message-ID: <49346873-B419-48DE-8EF6-28236C0AE0C6@mac.com> Phew! I have been following this since 09: 46 this morning ( on and off ) nice to see it completed. ROB HARRINGTON From hughmorgan at turrethouse.demon.co.uk Sat Feb 7 15:37:11 2009 From: hughmorgan at turrethouse.demon.co.uk (hugh morgan) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 15:37:11 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] replies Message-ID: I hadn't realized that my "me too" (below) had not gone to the group but only to Robbie! Silly me! Glad to hear all is now as was. Hugh. Me too - it's very frustrating to see an interesting question, possibly relevant for me one day, and not see the advice & answers give from the group. (e.g., I was wondering if Ken Arnoldi got any advice on securing his Netgear??) Please revert to old system - people not wanting to go public can always go direct to sender if they wish. Hugh Morgan >I agree: there's so much wisdom and knowledge within the group that >I found it very useful to be able to follow a thread to its >conclusion - usually a resolution to a problem from which I can >learn! > >As it stands, we often see only odd snippets, which I find rather frustrating. > >I'd be delighted to see it revert to the old format, but will bow to >the majority .... > >Robbie From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com Sat Feb 7 15:58:35 2009 From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 15:58:35 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Password Recovery Message-ID: <30514CF4-7BFF-4EC6-8681-D3085107D43C@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [NMUG] passwords Yes, it has a password. Point her to http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1274 the section half way down marked "Resetting the original administrator account password" Having done that, she'll also need to read and follow http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1631 to reset the keychain password. regards, Paul I refer to the above response from Paul. This brings up the fact that very few people take security on their computers seriously enough. The scenario to consider is this: if your computer were stolen what data would you be unhappy for the thief to access? It seems most people think that having a login password is sufficient to protect them. As you can see from the above answer, this is not the case. It is easily circumvented and then all your data is available including ALL signins accessed from your Keychain... I do not use Keychain for this very reason. I use a separate password program to store all my passwords and have a long difficult to guess master password to control this. Simple passwords for such an important process are useless, you need something very hard to find.. an example might be you dad's birthday (ddmm) followed by the numbers in your car registration backwards followed by last 3 numbers of your phone number backwards and forwards.. sounds complicated by you';ll have no problem remembering it. 0823548603306 The program I use is 1Password. It's very powerful. Once you fire up 1Password using your master password it will autofill your signin usernames and passwords without further intervention. If you don't use it to signin for a period (in my case that is 2 hours) then any signin request calling 1Password requires you enter the master password again. http://agilewebsolutions.com/products/1Password However, this only protects access to online accounts etc. Not your data. I use FileVault for this. The data I wouldn't want anyone else to see is never stored on my computer outside of the FileVault volume, which I protect with another long password. (one thing to note is that FileVault volumes do not get backed up by TimeMachine, a problem for which my current solution is to backup the volume to DVD which I store offsite. What you put inside FileVault is up to you, I know some people put their entire Home Volume in there, but I just have sensitive personal data, patent drafts, contracts, original research and sources and my collection of photos I don't want to share with Tim the Thief. From jeremyknight at mac.com Sat Feb 7 16:47:58 2009 From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 16:47:58 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Sender reply In-Reply-To: <5CCBC0A2-62DA-4823-A3A9-94EC2247B6E7@ntlworld.com> References: <20090207115816.1636B805F78@mail.durrant.co.uk> <5CCBC0A2-62DA-4823-A3A9-94EC2247B6E7@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <45318D65-CF75-416C-815B-83F9491B0C12@mac.com> abd me On 7 Feb 2009, at 12:34, DJR Massy wrote: > On 7 Feb 2009, at 11:58, Jeremy Webb wrote: > >> Can we revert to the old system please? > > I agree too! > > Jim. > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From jeremyknight at mac.com Sat Feb 7 16:48:55 2009 From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 16:48:55 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Replies In-Reply-To: <1CEA1BAF-6490-4FD7-8692-EBB69DEE907D@waitrose.com> References: <1CEA1BAF-6490-4FD7-8692-EBB69DEE907D@waitrose.com> Message-ID: <39411DD2-A27C-4A84-B216-75DB961D0FC3@mac.com> sorry and me jeremy On 7 Feb 2009, at 12:24, Paul Harrowing wrote: > This is what we're on about. > > I just agreed with all the others and then proceeded to send my > response to just one of the posters. Sorry Jeremy. > > What's the sense in having a group if you only see half the emails. > We will just have to filter out the rubbish ourselves. > > Revert. > > PAH > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Sat Feb 7 16:58:35 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 16:58:35 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Password Recovery In-Reply-To: <30514CF4-7BFF-4EC6-8681-D3085107D43C@gmail.com> References: <30514CF4-7BFF-4EC6-8681-D3085107D43C@gmail.com> Message-ID: Good advice Stefan - 1 Password is a great product, but Paul's post was in response to an enquiry as to how to gain Admin access to a secondhand computer in order to update the system and applications - not poke around in personal data. If anyone is daft enough to sell a computer without removing their user files I'm afraid I don't have a great deal of sympathy. I've always been advised to wipe the disk clean, then reinstall the system, but it's essential that any subsequent purchaser is advised of the Admin password otherwise they're locked out of many essential functions, including reinstalling the system! Don't pass Go, don't collect ?200 ...... The original system disks should also be passed on with the machine when it changes hands, otherwise it could mean purchasing a retail copy. Robbie On 7 Feb 2009, at 15:58, stefan youngs wrote: Subject: Re: [NMUG] passwords Yes, it has a password. Point her to http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1274 the section half way down marked "Resetting the original administrator account password" Having done that, she'll also need to read and follow http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1631 to reset the keychain password. regards, Paul I refer to the above response from Paul. This brings up the fact that very few people take security on their computers seriously enough. The scenario to consider is this: if your computer were stolen what data would you be unhappy for the thief to access? It seems most people think that having a login password is sufficient to protect them. As you can see from the above answer, this is not the case. It is easily circumvented and then all your data is available including ALL signins accessed from your Keychain... I do not use Keychain for this very reason. I use a separate password program to store all my passwords and have a long difficult to guess master password to control this. Simple passwords for such an important process are useless, you need something very hard to find.. an example might be you dad's birthday (ddmm) followed by the numbers in your car registration backwards followed by last 3 numbers of your phone number backwards and forwards.. sounds complicated by you';ll have no problem remembering it. 0823548603306 The program I use is 1Password. It's very powerful. Once you fire up 1Password using your master password it will autofill your signin usernames and passwords without further intervention. If you don't use it to signin for a period (in my case that is 2 hours) then any signin request calling 1Password requires you enter the master password again. http://agilewebsolutions.com/products/1Password However, this only protects access to online accounts etc. Not your data. I use FileVault for this. The data I wouldn't want anyone else to see is never stored on my computer outside of the FileVault volume, which I protect with another long password. (one thing to note is that FileVault volumes do not get backed up by TimeMachine, a problem for which my current solution is to backup the volume to DVD which I store offsite. What you put inside FileVault is up to you, I know some people put their entire Home Volume in there, but I just have sensitive personal data, patent drafts, contracts, original research and sources and my collection of photos I don't want to share with Tim the Thief. _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From band1 at mac.com Sat Feb 7 17:38:47 2009 From: band1 at mac.com (David King) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 17:38:47 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Sender reply In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <05F172DC-0808-4878-9C86-E4BADD1B430C@mac.com> Is this a road to Damascus moment? On 7 Feb 2009, at 13:52, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi. > > I am one of the biggest culprits for sending rubbish to the group > (although I did start this thread off). > > I promise to keep myself in check and not fill everyones inbox with > tripe. > > Simon > > --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent > using Nokia E71) > > -original message- > Subject: Re: [NMUG] Sender reply > From: David Reynolds > Date: 07/02/2009 12:43 > > 2009/2/7 Rachael : > >> Back to the old system please ? > > Another vote from me for the old system. > > -- > David Reynolds > david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Sat Feb 7 17:49:24 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 17:49:24 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Sender reply In-Reply-To: <05F172DC-0808-4878-9C86-E4BADD1B430C@mac.com> References: <05F172DC-0808-4878-9C86-E4BADD1B430C@mac.com> Message-ID: <7127C3AF-72CC-41A0-9A4D-A48623BBB0E2@f2s.com> Could be, but wasn't that Paul? I did, however, hear on the news of a pillar of salt appearing somewhere in Norfolk today ...... Anyway, enough from me today: that's my Lot Robbie On 7 Feb 2009, at 17:38, David King wrote: Is this a road to Damascus moment? On 7 Feb 2009, at 13:52, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi. > > I am one of the biggest culprits for sending rubbish to the group > (although I did start this thread off). > > I promise to keep myself in check and not fill everyones inbox with > tripe. > > Simon > > --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent > using Nokia E71) > > -original message- > Subject: Re: [NMUG] Sender reply > From: David Reynolds > Date: 07/02/2009 12:43 > > 2009/2/7 Rachael : > >> Back to the old system please ? > > Another vote from me for the old system. > > -- > David Reynolds > david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From minkennison at mac.com Sat Feb 7 17:58:07 2009 From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 17:58:07 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Sender reply Message-ID: <2852E58E-6362-46BE-9339-51A24BA5A3EB@mac.com> We also find it helpful to receive the complete thread on a subject and through this we learned a lot from the expertise in the group. We therefore would also like to join the "I agree' band of members and hope that at some time it may be possible to reinstate the old way Min From paul at durrant.co.uk Sat Feb 7 18:02:12 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 18:02:12 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Password Recovery In-Reply-To: <30514CF4-7BFF-4EC6-8681-D3085107D43C@gmail.com> References: <30514CF4-7BFF-4EC6-8681-D3085107D43C@gmail.com> Message-ID: The keychain password is separate from the login password (although normally the same). Resetting the admin password doesn't change the keychain password. The page telling how to recover the keychain just gives instructions on how to wipe the old keychain and creates a new one. Paul On 7 Feb 2009, at 15:58, stefan youngs wrote: > It seems most people think that having a login password is > sufficient to protect them. As you can see from the above answer, > this is not the case. It is easily circumvented and then all your > data is available including ALL signins accessed from your Keychain... From paul at durrant.co.uk Sat Feb 7 18:03:17 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 18:03:17 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Sender reply In-Reply-To: <2852E58E-6362-46BE-9339-51A24BA5A3EB@mac.com> References: <2852E58E-6362-46BE-9339-51A24BA5A3EB@mac.com> Message-ID: Yes, already done, as of eleven minutes past three this afternoon. Paul On 7 Feb 2009, at 17:58, Min Kennison wrote: > We also find it helpful to receive the complete thread on a subject > and through this we learned a lot from the expertise in the group. > We therefore would also like to join the "I agree' band of members > and hope that at some time it may be possible to reinstate the old way > From brian at clearlight.uk.net Sat Feb 7 18:10:41 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2009 18:10:41 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Password Recovery In-Reply-To: <30514CF4-7BFF-4EC6-8681-D3085107D43C@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Stefan I use 1password too ;-) And Yojimbo which can encrypt info. but I don't think apple keychain is crackable IF it has a half decent password - it neednt be the same as the admin. I'd hate to risk filevault - but do use encypted sparse images - which are the exact same thing but more clearly under my ability to back up and keep track of - in my opinion. Having said all that I have a fairly simple admin pw just because its so often needed. But whatever we choose it is better to be conscious about it. all the best Brian stefan youngs said recently: > Subject: Re: [NMUG] passwords > Yes, it has a password. Point her to > http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1274 > the section half way down marked "Resetting the original administrator > account password" > Having done that, she'll also need to read and follow > http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1631 > to reset the keychain password. > regards, > Paul > > I refer to the above response from Paul. This brings up the fact that > very few people take security on their computers seriously enough. The > scenario to consider is this: if your computer were stolen what data > would you be unhappy for the thief to access? > > It seems most people think that having a login password is sufficient > to protect them. As you can see from the above answer, this is not the > case. It is easily circumvented and then all your data is available > including ALL signins accessed from your Keychain... > > I do not use Keychain for this very reason. I use a separate password > program to store all my passwords and have a long difficult to guess > master password to control this. Simple passwords for such an > important process are useless, you need something very hard to find.. > an example might be you dad's birthday (ddmm) followed by the numbers > in your car registration backwards followed by last 3 numbers of your > phone number backwards and forwards.. sounds complicated by you';ll > have no problem remembering it. 0823548603306 > > The program I use is 1Password. It's very powerful. Once you fire up > 1Password using your master password it will autofill your signin > usernames and passwords without further intervention. If you don't use > it to signin for a period (in my case that is 2 hours) then any signin > request calling 1Password requires you enter the master password again. > > http://agilewebsolutions.com/products/1Password > > However, this only protects access to online accounts etc. Not your > data. > > I use FileVault for this. The data I wouldn't want anyone else to see > is never stored on my computer outside of the FileVault volume, which > I protect with another long password. (one thing to note is that > FileVault volumes do not get backed up by TimeMachine, a problem for > which my current solution is to backup the volume to DVD which I store > offsite. > > What you put inside FileVault is up to you, I know some people put > their entire Home Volume in there, but I just have sensitive personal > data, patent drafts, contracts, original research and sources and my > collection of photos I don't want to share with Tim the Thief. > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Sat Feb 7 19:41:21 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2009 19:41:21 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Sender reply In-Reply-To: References: <2852E58E-6362-46BE-9339-51A24BA5A3EB@mac.com> Message-ID: <5B0C1906-7F65-401C-BE30-3A5922A18E10@f2s.com> Thanks Paul - much appreciated. Robbie On 7 Feb 2009, at 18:03, Paul Durrant wrote: Yes, already done, as of eleven minutes past three this afternoon. Paul On 7 Feb 2009, at 17:58, Min Kennison wrote: > We also find it helpful to receive the complete thread on a subject > and through this we learned a lot from the expertise in the group. > We therefore would also like to join the "I agree' band of members > and hope that at some time it may be possible to reinstate the old way > _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Sun Feb 8 22:07:35 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 22:07:35 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] New Meeting Place Message-ID: <248756BC-8BDD-47C2-808B-FB3CDDBDE571@durrant.co.uk> February's a short month, and we're already a week into it. So far we have the suggestion of the Fat Cat pub. If there are no more suggestions before Wednesday 11th Feb, 9pm, then the Fat Cat it is. If we get another suggestion (or more), I'll ask for votes. Paul From steve.forst at virgin.net Mon Feb 9 11:12:06 2009 From: steve.forst at virgin.net (Steve Forster) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 11:12:06 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] New Meeting Place In-Reply-To: <248756BC-8BDD-47C2-808B-FB3CDDBDE571@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: The Playroom at The Playhouse, St Georges Street is often used for meetings. It?s the ?quiet? room the other side of the theatre foyer from the main bar, as I understand it bookable for (free) private use at the main bar. Parking isn?t great but there are pay and display car parks on Duke St, Monastry Court and Colegate -- Steve Forster From: Paul Durrant Reply-To: Norwich Mac User Group list Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 22:07:35 +0000 To: Norwich Mac User Group list Subject: [NMUG] New Meeting Place February's a short month, and we're already a week into it. So far we have the suggestion of the Fat Cat pub. If there are no more suggestions before Wednesday 11th Feb, 9pm, then the Fat Cat it is. If we get another suggestion (or more), I'll ask for votes. Paul _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From munkt0n at gmail.com Mon Feb 9 11:21:11 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 11:21:11 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] New Meeting Place In-Reply-To: <248756BC-8BDD-47C2-808B-FB3CDDBDE571@durrant.co.uk> References: <248756BC-8BDD-47C2-808B-FB3CDDBDE571@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: I'm fairly sure I suggested The Forum a while back, maybe I forgot to hit 'reply all' apparently the Cafe is happy for people to meet up there as long as they buy the occasional drink. > If there are no more suggestions before Wednesday 11th Feb, 9pm, then the > Fat Cat it is. If we get another suggestion (or more), I'll ask for votes. From paul at durrant.co.uk Mon Feb 9 11:44:15 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 11:44:15 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] New Meeting Place In-Reply-To: References: <248756BC-8BDD-47C2-808B-FB3CDDBDE571@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <924F5F21-C173-4A43-AE44-B89CB224217A@durrant.co.uk> I think the forum is a bit too noisy (& no free parking, and a bit open plan). What do other people think? Paul On 9 Feb 2009, at 11:21, Scott Matthews wrote: > I'm fairly sure I suggested The Forum a while back, maybe I forgot to > hit 'reply all' > > apparently the Cafe is happy for people to meet up there as long as > they buy the occasional drink. > >> If there are no more suggestions before Wednesday 11th Feb, 9pm, >> then the >> Fat Cat it is. If we get another suggestion (or more), I'll ask for >> votes. > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From paul at durrant.co.uk Mon Feb 9 11:46:02 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 11:46:02 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] New Meeting Place In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <88005E9F-AC53-49C6-95A8-21491540B4D6@durrant.co.uk> Could someone contact the Playhouse and see if this would be available? The only drawback I can see is that there's no free parking. Colegate carpark is close by though, and evening parking isn't horrendously expensive. Paul On 9 Feb 2009, at 11:12, Steve Forster wrote: > The Playroom at The Playhouse, St Georges Street is often used for > meetings. > It?s the ?quiet? room the other side of the theatre foyer from the > main bar, > as I understand it bookable for (free) private use at the main bar. > Parking > isn?t great but there are pay and display car parks on Duke St, > Monastry > Court and Colegate > -- > Steve Forster > > > > > From: Paul Durrant > If there are no more suggestions before Wednesday 11th Feb, 9pm, then > the Fat Cat it is. If we get another suggestion (or more), I'll ask > for votes. From homeopathy.expert at googlemail.com Mon Feb 9 12:25:08 2009 From: homeopathy.expert at googlemail.com (Simon King) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 12:25:08 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] New Meeting Place In-Reply-To: References: <248756BC-8BDD-47C2-808B-FB3CDDBDE571@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <734d07ef0902090425q68fae15cte7b7d9ba8bd84638@mail.gmail.com> Nice and central;) On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Steve Forster wrote: > The Playroom at The Playhouse, St Georges Street is often used for > meetings. > It?s the ?quiet? room the other side of the theatre foyer from the main > bar, > as I understand it bookable for (free) private use at the main bar. Parking > isn?t great but there are pay and display car parks on Duke St, Monastry > Court and Colegate > -- > Steve Forster > > > > > From: Paul Durrant > Reply-To: Norwich Mac User Group list > Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 22:07:35 +0000 > To: Norwich Mac User Group list > Subject: [NMUG] New Meeting Place > > February's a short month, and we're already a week into it. > > So far we have the suggestion of the Fat Cat pub. > > If there are no more suggestions before Wednesday 11th Feb, 9pm, then > the Fat Cat it is. If we get another suggestion (or more), I'll ask > for votes. > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- Kind Regards Simon King 227 St Leonards Rd Norwich Norfolk NR1 4JN UK 01603 466092 07954 581 774 From mghc.repps at virgin.net Mon Feb 9 12:44:09 2009 From: mghc.repps at virgin.net (Michael Crook) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 12:44:09 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] New Meeting Place In-Reply-To: <924F5F21-C173-4A43-AE44-B89CB224217A@durrant.co.uk> References: <248756BC-8BDD-47C2-808B-FB3CDDBDE571@durrant.co.uk> <924F5F21-C173-4A43-AE44-B89CB224217A@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Paul. I agree. The reason I haven't been to recent meetings was because I am hard of hearing and because of the dreadful accoustics at the Baker's Arms. However, I would be happy to pay for reasonably secure parking. - Michael. 09.02.09. On 9 Feb 2009, at 11:44, Paul Durrant wrote: > I think the forum is a bit too noisy (& no free parking, and a bit > open plan). What do other people think? > > Paul > > On 9 Feb 2009, at 11:21, Scott Matthews wrote: > >> I'm fairly sure I suggested The Forum a while back, maybe I forgot to >> hit 'reply all' >> >> apparently the Cafe is happy for people to meet up there as long as >> they buy the occasional drink. >> >>> If there are no more suggestions before Wednesday 11th Feb, 9pm, >>> then the >>> Fat Cat it is. If we get another suggestion (or more), I'll ask >>> for votes. >> _______________________________________________ >> NMUG mailing list >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk Mon Feb 9 13:35:04 2009 From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 13:35:04 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] New Meeting Place In-Reply-To: <88005E9F-AC53-49C6-95A8-21491540B4D6@durrant.co.uk> References: <88005E9F-AC53-49C6-95A8-21491540B4D6@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <4426B87F-D63C-4B99-8BCF-C8E3099A72DA@themagic.me.uk> Playhouse could be noisy when there's an event on. Parking not good and access only from one side. Chapelfield parking is ?1.50 for an evening so it would be good if we could find somewhere near that Mall. Assembly House, or would they charge a lot? Theatre Royal, away from audience. Pubs in Bethel St, and elsewhere. Pottergate if not considered too far. We could have Feb. at Fat Cat and move if a more preferable venue found. Anthony From tomkershaw at mac.com Mon Feb 9 14:12:36 2009 From: tomkershaw at mac.com (Tom Kershaw) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 14:12:36 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] New Meeting Place In-Reply-To: <4426B87F-D63C-4B99-8BCF-C8E3099A72DA@themagic.me.uk> References: <88005E9F-AC53-49C6-95A8-21491540B4D6@durrant.co.uk> <4426B87F-D63C-4B99-8BCF-C8E3099A72DA@themagic.me.uk> Message-ID: <499039D4.1060303@mac.com> St. Andrew's / Duke street evening parking is ?1.60 Tom. Anthony Brahams wrote: > Playhouse could be noisy when there's an event on. Parking not good > and access only from one side. > > Chapelfield parking is ?1.50 for an evening so it would be good if we > could find somewhere near that Mall. Assembly House, or would they > charge a lot? Theatre Royal, away from audience. Pubs in Bethel St, > and elsewhere. Pottergate if not considered too far. > > We could have Feb. at Fat Cat and move if a more preferable venue found. > > Anthony_______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From hughmorgan at turrethouse.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 9 16:08:33 2009 From: hughmorgan at turrethouse.demon.co.uk (hugh morgan) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:08:33 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] New Meeting Place In-Reply-To: <924F5F21-C173-4A43-AE44-B89CB224217A@durrant.co.uk> References: <248756BC-8BDD-47C2-808B-FB3CDDBDE571@durrant.co.uk> <924F5F21-C173-4A43-AE44-B89CB224217A@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: I agree with Paul re. Forum. What's wrong with the Fat Cat - free parking on street & free room - worth a try at least. Hugh >I think the forum is a bit too noisy (& no free parking, and a bit >open plan). What do other people think? > >Paul From jeremyknight at mac.com Mon Feb 9 16:32:41 2009 From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 16:32:41 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] New Meeting Place In-Reply-To: References: <248756BC-8BDD-47C2-808B-FB3CDDBDE571@durrant.co.uk> <924F5F21-C173-4A43-AE44-B89CB224217A@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Whilst i haven't been to Nmug meetings for sometime,Trying to find a parking space in Colegate does not appeal. I would be more inclined to attend if i knew( as I do in the case of the fat cat )that the beer at the chosen venue was fantastic. jeremy On 9 Feb 2009, at 16:08, hugh morgan wrote: > I agree with Paul re. Forum. What's wrong with the Fat Cat - free > parking on street & free room - worth a try at least. > Hugh > >> I think the forum is a bit too noisy (& no free parking, and a bit >> open plan). What do other people think? >> >> Paul > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From stairbooks at yahoo.co.uk Mon Feb 9 17:45:29 2009 From: stairbooks at yahoo.co.uk (Alistair Hindmarch) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:45:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [NMUG] New Meeting Place References: <248756BC-8BDD-47C2-808B-FB3CDDBDE571@durrant.co.uk> <924F5F21-C173-4A43-AE44-B89CB224217A@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <708016.66362.qm@web25907.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi all, Sorry to have missed the last meeting. Has the Bakers Arms actually closed yet? I can think of another venue that would be available, it has a side room that would suiit for meetings, it would be free and parking wouldn't be a problem. It's called the Quebec and it's only a stones through away from the Bakers Arms. Stair From djpalmer93 at aim.com Mon Feb 9 17:56:46 2009 From: djpalmer93 at aim.com (Daniel Palmer) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 17:56:46 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Re: New Meeting Place Message-ID: <5C7C87C1-D315-42A4-BB3C-FBA752959E2D@aim.com> I think The Forum would be a good place for our meetings, although I understand the lack of free parking may be a problem for some. Daniel From mercer at gotadsl.co.uk Mon Feb 9 18:04:31 2009 From: mercer at gotadsl.co.uk (Valerie Mercer) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 18:04:31 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] New Meeting Place In-Reply-To: References: <248756BC-8BDD-47C2-808B-FB3CDDBDE571@durrant.co.uk> <924F5F21-C173-4A43-AE44-B89CB224217A@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <3FD7E591-DFC5-4D13-9348-3DD85376FF54@gotadsl.co.uk> I second the views of Hugh & Jeremy - although, as a very infrequent attender that may not count for much. Valerie On 9 Feb 2009, at 16:32, jeremy knight wrote: Whilst i haven't been to Nmug meetings for sometime,Trying to find a parking space in Colegate does not appeal. I would be more inclined to attend if i knew( as I do in the case of the fat cat )that the beer at the chosen venue was fantastic. jeremy On 9 Feb 2009, at 16:08, hugh morgan wrote: > I agree with Paul re. Forum. What's wrong with the Fat Cat - free > parking on street & free room - worth a try at least. > Hugh > >> I think the forum is a bit too noisy (& no free parking, and a bit >> open plan). What do other people think? >> >> Paul > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Mon Feb 9 18:39:56 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 18:39:56 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] New Meeting Place In-Reply-To: <708016.66362.qm@web25907.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <248756BC-8BDD-47C2-808B-FB3CDDBDE571@durrant.co.uk> <924F5F21-C173-4A43-AE44-B89CB224217A@durrant.co.uk> <708016.66362.qm@web25907.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sounds interesting. Can you confirm with the pub that the sideroom would be available to us? Also check that there isn't any overly loud TV/Music? Paul On 9 Feb 2009, at 17:45, Alistair Hindmarch wrote: > Hi all, > > Sorry to have missed the last meeting. > Has the Bakers Arms actually closed yet? > I can think of another venue that would be available, it has a side > room that would suiit for meetings, it would be free and parking > wouldn't be a problem. > It's called the Quebec and it's only a stones through away from the > Bakers Arms. > > Stair From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Mon Feb 9 19:52:17 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 19:52:17 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] website Message-ID: <11fd248c7a3570a155a7d4d465401743@virgin.net> Hi all It seems I have a bunch of idiots looking after my website! When something goes wrong or needs changing it takes 1 - 2 weeks for them to sort it out. they are not photographers or, it seems, designers. As my site is my window to the world is there anyone out there who is good at the workings of websites and wouldn't incur me getting a mortgage every time I need help? Regards martin www.martinfryphotography.com From kevin at sanderling.co.uk Mon Feb 9 20:41:15 2009 From: kevin at sanderling.co.uk (Kevin Allenby) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 20:41:15 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] website In-Reply-To: <11fd248c7a3570a155a7d4d465401743@virgin.net> References: <11fd248c7a3570a155a7d4d465401743@virgin.net> Message-ID: <9c83344f0902091241p24fdb1d6ldb97663bbae31fd7@mail.gmail.com> Hi Martin I run a small web design business - just two fulltime - have a look at our site where we have dozens of clients listed and see if it looks as if we can help you; www.sanderling.co.uk Cheers Kevin 2009/2/9 Martin Fry > Hi all > > It seems I have a bunch of idiots looking after my website! > > When something goes wrong or needs changing it takes 1 - 2 weeks for them > to sort it out. they are not photographers or, it seems, designers. > > As my site is my window to the world is there anyone out there who is good > at the workings of websites and wouldn't incur me getting a mortgage every > time I need help? > > Regards > > martin > www.martinfryphotography.com > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From homeopathy.expert at googlemail.com Mon Feb 9 21:15:23 2009 From: homeopathy.expert at googlemail.com (Simon King) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 21:15:23 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] website In-Reply-To: <11fd248c7a3570a155a7d4d465401743@virgin.net> References: <11fd248c7a3570a155a7d4d465401743@virgin.net> Message-ID: <734d07ef0902091315y6913a0bfh9315b23ee7ad4e5d@mail.gmail.com> Smugmug? ;) On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Martin Fry wrote: > Hi all > > It seems I have a bunch of idiots looking after my website! > > When something goes wrong or needs changing it takes 1 - 2 weeks for them > to sort it out. they are not photographers or, it seems, designers. > > As my site is my window to the world is there anyone out there who is good > at the workings of websites and wouldn't incur me getting a mortgage every > time I need help? > > Regards > > martin > www.martinfryphotography.com > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- Kind Regards Simon King 227 St Leonards Rd Norwich Norfolk NR1 4JN UK 01603 466092 07954 581 774 From stairbooks at yahoo.co.uk Mon Feb 9 21:29:24 2009 From: stairbooks at yahoo.co.uk (Alistair Hindmarch) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 21:29:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [NMUG] New Meeting Place Message-ID: <280512.42258.qm@web25906.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Paul and all, Just driven up to the Quebec Tavern and spoken to the landlady again. Found that they have a car park as well as the roadside parking. Explained about the side room again after she had shown it to me recently and explained that if it was decided it would probably be required on the 4th Wednesday of every month and she was fine about that too. The room has a door on it rather than being open plan. Access to the bar if required inside as well as outside the room. On a Wednesday they sometimes have a ladies darts match but she said that that wouldn't be too noisy and anyway it takes place at the other end of the pub. The landlady is called Lisa and the landlord Felix. Here's the address and other details: Quebec Tavern 93-97 Quebec Road Norwich NR1 4HY Tel 01603 490366 email: felix.snell1 at btopenworld.com Stair From paul at durrant.co.uk Mon Feb 9 21:33:09 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 21:33:09 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] New Meeting Place In-Reply-To: <280512.42258.qm@web25906.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <280512.42258.qm@web25906.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <181085F9-F521-4628-9CEB-338E373262FC@durrant.co.uk> Thanks Stair, that does sound good. Paul On 9 Feb 2009, at 21:29, Alistair Hindmarch wrote: > Hi Paul and all, > > Just driven up to the Quebec Tavern and spoken to the landlady again. > Found that they have a car park as well as the roadside parking. > Explained about the side room again after she had shown it to me > recently and explained that if it was decided it would probably be > required on the 4th Wednesday of every month and she was fine about > that too. > The room has a door on it rather than being open plan. Access to the > bar if required inside as well as outside the room. > On a Wednesday they sometimes have a ladies darts match but she said > that that wouldn't be too noisy and anyway it takes place at the > other end of the pub. > > The landlady is called Lisa and the landlord Felix. > > Here's the address and other details: > > Quebec Tavern > 93-97 Quebec Road > Norwich > NR1 4HY > > Tel 01603 490366 > email: felix.snell1 at btopenworld.com > > Stair > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Mon Feb 9 21:49:55 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 21:49:55 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] website In-Reply-To: <734d07ef0902091315y6913a0bfh9315b23ee7ad4e5d@mail.gmail.com> References: <11fd248c7a3570a155a7d4d465401743@virgin.net> <734d07ef0902091315y6913a0bfh9315b23ee7ad4e5d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Simon > > Smugmug? Sorry! is that an insult or help? martin > ;) > > On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Martin Fry > wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> It seems I have a bunch of idiots looking after my website! >> >> When something goes wrong or needs changing it takes 1 - 2 weeks for >> them >> to sort it out. they are not photographers or, it seems, designers. >> >> As my site is my window to the world is there anyone out there who is >> good >> at the workings of websites and wouldn't incur me getting a mortgage >> every >> time I need help? >> >> Regards >> >> martin >> www.martinfryphotography.com >> _______________________________________________ >> NMUG mailing list >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > > > -- > Kind Regards > > Simon King > > 227 St Leonards Rd > Norwich > Norfolk > NR1 4JN > UK > 01603 466092 > 07954 581 774 > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > www.martinfryphotography.com From stairbooks at yahoo.co.uk Mon Feb 9 21:51:41 2009 From: stairbooks at yahoo.co.uk (Alistair Hindmarch) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 21:51:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [NMUG] External Monitor Again Message-ID: <563689.50054.qm@web25907.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Here's an email I meant to send to the forum but accidently sent to Steven instead, whoops!, and sorry to you two for the delay in replying: Hi Brian and Steven, Thanks for the advice sometime ago. I got as far as trying to sort it but with about a 2" black border around the monitor screen so I'll try to give it another go tonight. Stair From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Mon Feb 9 22:08:22 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 09 Feb 2009 22:08:22 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] FaceBook Games Slow Message-ID: Hi I have started playing games on FaceBook. My wife got me into it. On her 2Ghz Vista laptop they play very fast, however animation is slow on my 867Mhz Leopard PowerBook. Is this normal? I presume these are Flash games. I have raised problems with Flash video sites on here and other groups and others who have exactly the same PowerBook running Leopard don't have these problems. Any ideas? Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. From alanbarber at mac.com Mon Feb 9 22:17:06 2009 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:17:06 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] New Meeting Place In-Reply-To: <280512.42258.qm@web25906.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <280512.42258.qm@web25906.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I would love the Quebec to be the new venue as I would find it really difficult to go elsewhere after work. But if the consensus is centre or west of the City - so be it. Regards Alan On 9 Feb 2009, at 21:29, Alistair Hindmarch wrote: > Hi Paul and all, > > Just driven up to the Quebec Tavern and spoken to the landlady again. > Found that they have a car park as well as the roadside parking. > Explained about the side room again after she had shown it to me > recently and explained that if it was decided it would probably be > required on the 4th Wednesday of every month and she was fine about > that too. > The room has a door on it rather than being open plan. Access to the > bar if required inside as well as outside the room. > On a Wednesday they sometimes have a ladies darts match but she said > that that wouldn't be too noisy and anyway it takes place at the > other end of the pub. > > The landlady is called Lisa and the landlord Felix. > > Here's the address and other details: > > Quebec Tavern > 93-97 Quebec Road > Norwich > NR1 4HY > > Tel 01603 490366 > email: felix.snell1 at btopenworld.com > > Stair > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Mon Feb 9 22:55:34 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 09 Feb 2009 22:55:34 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Q Graphics Question Message-ID: Hi Is anyone running Q, the free alternative to VirtualPC. I have it running an early version of Windows and it is all working ok, but when I enter full screen mode it stretches the screen from 4:3 to widescreen. Is there anyway of setting it to widescreen? Is it possible to get a Windows driver for the screen itself. Digging around it seems it was made by Apple - not LG or Samsung like other Apple portables. Any help. I tried the forum on the Q website but that seems aimed at Qemu and not Q (the Mac port of Qemu). Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. From brian at clearlight.uk.net Tue Feb 10 01:09:05 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 01:09:05 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] website In-Reply-To: <11fd248c7a3570a155a7d4d465401743@virgin.net> Message-ID: Hello Martin You know that I offered - whatever else I offer it is always in the context of personal service and I've never taken advantage of another human being since I realized that we can only ultimately undermine ourselves by so doing. But if you have an existing site you will likely want someone who can take it over as it is and that isn't my forte. But if you or anyone else is wanting something from scratch I always do my best and don't pretend to know everything or obfusticate or bluff my way. I use Freeway - and can also start something off and show how to continue with it there. This does have limitations from a coder's perspective - but strengths to a designer's perspective. I can also use simple content management systems to enable specified parts to be user updated. 2 hours ago I received note that a client's website was not responding correctly and I put other things aside and found that in pasting from Word into their cms they had inadvertently added page breaking gremlins. It is sorted now. There is a saying - pay peanuts and you get monkeys - that said - I am very budget conscious and don't take money without exchanging value. I made a simple quick site for some of my photos here: http://www.clearlightcards.co.uk (Though I have still to correct a bit of text relating to toads and postmen!) all the best Brian Brian Steere 84 Northfield Crescent Wells-next-the-Sea NR23 1LR 01328 711142 Martin Fry said recently: > Hi all > > It seems I have a bunch of idiots looking after my website! > > When something goes wrong or needs changing it takes 1 - 2 weeks for > them to sort it out. they are not photographers or, it seems, > designers. > > As my site is my window to the world is there anyone out there who is > good at the workings of websites and wouldn't incur me getting a > mortgage every time I need help? > > Regards > > martin > www.martinfryphotography.com > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From homeopathy.expert at googlemail.com Tue Feb 10 08:01:01 2009 From: homeopathy.expert at googlemail.com (Simon King) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:01:01 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] New Meeting Place In-Reply-To: <280512.42258.qm@web25906.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <280512.42258.qm@web25906.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <734d07ef0902100001r7248681bs3bc031a7deb40809@mail.gmail.com> I live a stones throw away and have to say it would not be my choice;) Simon On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Alistair Hindmarch wrote: > Hi Paul and all, > > Just driven up to the Quebec Tavern and spoken to the landlady again. > Found that they have a car park as well as the roadside parking. > Explained about the side room again after she had shown it to me recently > and explained that if it was decided it would probably be required on the > 4th Wednesday of every month and she was fine about that too. > The room has a door on it rather than being open plan. Access to the bar if > required inside as well as outside the room. > On a Wednesday they sometimes have a ladies darts match but she said that > that wouldn't be too noisy and anyway it takes place at the other end of the > pub. > > The landlady is called Lisa and the landlord Felix. > > Here's the address and other details: > > Quebec Tavern > 93-97 Quebec Road > Norwich > NR1 4HY > > Tel 01603 490366 > email: felix.snell1 at btopenworld.com > > Stair > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- Kind Regards Simon King 227 St Leonards Rd Norwich Norfolk NR1 4JN UK 01603 466092 07954 581 774 From homeopathy.expert at googlemail.com Tue Feb 10 08:17:34 2009 From: homeopathy.expert at googlemail.com (Simon King) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:17:34 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] website In-Reply-To: References: <11fd248c7a3570a155a7d4d465401743@virgin.net> <734d07ef0902091315y6913a0bfh9315b23ee7ad4e5d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <734d07ef0902100017v68872994k4263ec7b1dae083b@mail.gmail.com> http://www.smugmug.com/ They offer a wide range of templates or Here's an example of what is possible using their service combined with an additional one off design service http://www.edzeltserphoto.com/ and http://www.moonriverphotography.com/ To get your SmugMug Joining Up DISCOUNT when you sign up (or after your free trail) insert this coupon code: jS8X1Sapu33tY They art renowned for their outstanding customer service: http://www.dgrin.com/forumdisplay.php?f=35 http://www.dgrin.com/forumdisplay.php?f=12 Check it out;) Simon On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Martin Fry wrote: > > Hi Simon > >> >> > > Smugmug? >> > > Sorry! is that an insult or help? > > martin > > > > > > ;) >> >> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Martin Fry > >wrote: >> >> Hi all >>> >>> It seems I have a bunch of idiots looking after my website! >>> >>> When something goes wrong or needs changing it takes 1 - 2 weeks for them >>> to sort it out. they are not photographers or, it seems, designers. >>> >>> As my site is my window to the world is there anyone out there who is >>> good >>> at the workings of websites and wouldn't incur me getting a mortgage >>> every >>> time I need help? >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> martin >>> www.martinfryphotography.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NMUG mailing list >>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kind Regards >> >> Simon King >> >> 227 St Leonards Rd >> Norwich >> Norfolk >> NR1 4JN >> UK >> 01603 466092 >> 07954 581 774 >> _______________________________________________ >> NMUG mailing list >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> >> www.martinfryphotography.com > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- Kind Regards Simon King 227 St Leonards Rd Norwich Norfolk NR1 4JN UK 01603 466092 07954 581 774 From footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk Tue Feb 10 08:32:21 2009 From: footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk (joe butler) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:32:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [NMUG] website In-Reply-To: <11fd248c7a3570a155a7d4d465401743@virgin.net> Message-ID: <982973.63679.qm@web26701.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Martin ? It may be worth you checking out http://www.i-image.co.uk/?they are Norwich based, its a small company run by ady brock. Hes a professional photographer as well as a web designer, hes also a very nice bloke so it could be well worth checking it out. Joe ? ? ? ? --- On Mon, 9/2/09, Martin Fry wrote: From: Martin Fry Subject: [NMUG] website To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" Date: Monday, 9 February, 2009, 7:52 PM Hi all It seems I have a bunch of idiots looking after my website! When something goes wrong or needs changing it takes 1 - 2 weeks for them to sort it out. they are not photographers or, it seems, designers. As my site is my window to the world is there anyone out there who is good at the workings of websites and wouldn't incur me getting a mortgage every time I need help? Regards martin www.martinfryphotography.com _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From david.tillyer at googlemail.com Tue Feb 10 09:06:00 2009 From: david.tillyer at googlemail.com (David Tillyer) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:06:00 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] website In-Reply-To: <982973.63679.qm@web26701.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <11fd248c7a3570a155a7d4d465401743@virgin.net> <982973.63679.qm@web26701.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Martin, I use photobiz.com for my site (www.davidthephotographer.co.uk) and their service is great and because it is a template based service it is all tried and tested. The templates are very customisable and I usually get an e-mail back from them with the hour if I have a support question. David > From: Martin Fry > Subject: [NMUG] website > To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" > Date: Monday, 9 February, 2009, 7:52 PM > > Hi all > > It seems I have a bunch of idiots looking after my website! > > When something goes wrong or needs changing it takes 1 - 2 weeks for them > to > sort it out. they are not photographers or, it seems, designers. > > As my site is my window to the world is there anyone out there who is good > at > the workings of websites and wouldn't incur me getting a mortgage every > time > I need help? > > Regards > > martin > www.martinfryphotography.com > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > -- David Tillyer Photography http://www.davidthephotographer.co.uk http://davidthephotographer.blogspot.com/ From penguin.999 at virgin.net Tue Feb 10 09:10:02 2009 From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:10:02 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] New Meeting Place In-Reply-To: <734d07ef0902100001r7248681bs3bc031a7deb40809@mail.gmail.com> References: <280512.42258.qm@web25906.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <734d07ef0902100001r7248681bs3bc031a7deb40809@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <53084F6E-E536-4C2C-97E5-663E482D43E5@virgin.net> On Feb 10, 2009, at 08:01, Simon King wrote: > I live a stones throw away and have to say it would not be my > choice;) Coming in a bit late to this discussion about a new venue. It sounds like you have reservations about the Quebec, Simon. Up to now it appeared to tick a lot of the boxes so could you enlighten us as to the possible problems please? I do have great reservations about using the Forum. I love the place and am quite happy to have a coffee or a pizza there with friends and family but the noise level, especially in the evening, would make it almost impossible for me to participate in a meeting. Of course some might think this a good thing! I was hoping to check out some of the alternatives suggested but as yet haven't had the opportunity. I cannot remember if there is a door through to that room at the Playhouse or if it is just an open entrance. If there is no door it certainly can get very noisy in the foyer which would get through to that room. The Fat Cat sounded a possibility as long as, again, the noise from the rest of the place doesn't filter through to where we would be. With the Baker's Arms there was no physical door but as very few people used the pub there was not much extra noise. Unfortunately the lack of soft furnishings in that room meant that the acoustics were quite bad for those of us with poor hearing. Paul C From valeriehardman at btinternet.com Tue Feb 10 09:35:28 2009 From: valeriehardman at btinternet.com (VALERIE HARDMAN) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:35:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [NMUG] Re: NMUG Digest, Vol 61, Issue 18 In-Reply-To: <20090210080108.74C9E807D2A@mail.durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <632648.15145.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi, The Quebec Tavern would be excellent for both of us. Hope it will be the venue. thanks to Alistair for looking around. Valerie > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 21:29:24 +0000 (GMT) > From: Alistair Hindmarch > Subject: Re: [NMUG] New Meeting Place > To: Norwich Mac User Group list > Message-ID: > <280512.42258.qm at web25906.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi Paul and all, > > Just driven up to the Quebec Tavern and spoken to the > landlady again. > Found that they have a car park as well as the roadside > parking. > Explained about the side room again after she had shown it > to me recently and explained that if it was decided it would > probably be required on the 4th Wednesday of every month and > she was fine about that too. > The room has a door on it rather than being open plan. > Access to the bar if required inside as well as outside the > room. > On a Wednesday they sometimes have a ladies darts match but > she said that that wouldn't be too noisy and anyway it > takes place at the other end of the pub. > > The landlady is called Lisa and the landlord Felix. > > Here's the address and other details: > > Quebec Tavern > 93-97 Quebec Road > Norwich > NR1 4HY > > Tel 01603 490366 > email: felix.snell1 at btopenworld.com > > Stair > > > > > > ------------------------------ > From valeriehardman at btinternet.com Tue Feb 10 09:46:34 2009 From: valeriehardman at btinternet.com (VALERIE HARDMAN) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:46:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [NMUG] Re: NMUG Digest, Vol 61, Issue 18 In-Reply-To: <20090210080108.74C9E807D2A@mail.durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <278040.64698.qm@web86504.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi again I should have said that, apart from the Quebec Tavern, a central Norwich venue, the Forum or otherwise would be much better than the Fat Cat. For me access is more of a deciding factor than the beer and I think that I couldn't get to the Fat Cat. Valerie > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 21:29:24 +0000 (GMT) > From: Alistair Hindmarch > Subject: Re: [NMUG] New Meeting Place > To: Norwich Mac User Group list > Message-ID: > <280512.42258.qm at web25906.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi Paul and all, > > Just driven up to the Quebec Tavern and spoken to the > landlady again. > Found that they have a car park as well as the roadside > parking. > Explained about the side room again after she had shown it > to me recently and explained that if it was decided it would > probably be required on the 4th Wednesday of every month and > she was fine about that too. > The room has a door on it rather than being open plan. > Access to the bar if required inside as well as outside the > room. > On a Wednesday they sometimes have a ladies darts match but > she said that that wouldn't be too noisy and anyway it > takes place at the other end of the pub. > > The landlady is called Lisa and the landlord Felix. > > Here's the address and other details: > > Quebec Tavern > 93-97 Quebec Road > Norwich > NR1 4HY > > Tel 01603 490366 > email: felix.snell1 at btopenworld.com > > Stair > > > > > > ------------------------------ > From kevin at sanderling.co.uk Tue Feb 10 10:51:17 2009 From: kevin at sanderling.co.uk (Kevin Allenby) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 10:51:17 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Re: NMUG Digest, Vol 61, Issue 18 In-Reply-To: <632648.15145.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <20090210080108.74C9E807D2A@mail.durrant.co.uk> <632648.15145.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9c83344f0902100251v53809257x3b07f6b297ba035d@mail.gmail.com> Quebec Tavern would be good for me too - I know where that is! Kevin 2009/2/10 VALERIE HARDMAN > Hi, > The Quebec Tavern would be excellent for both of us. > Hope it will be the venue. > thanks to Alistair for looking around. > Valerie > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 21:29:24 +0000 (GMT) > > From: Alistair Hindmarch > > Subject: Re: [NMUG] New Meeting Place > > To: Norwich Mac User Group list > > Message-ID: > > <280512.42258.qm at web25906.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > > Hi Paul and all, > > > > Just driven up to the Quebec Tavern and spoken to the > > landlady again. > > Found that they have a car park as well as the roadside > > parking. > > Explained about the side room again after she had shown it > > to me recently and explained that if it was decided it would > > probably be required on the 4th Wednesday of every month and > > she was fine about that too. > > The room has a door on it rather than being open plan. > > Access to the bar if required inside as well as outside the > > room. > > On a Wednesday they sometimes have a ladies darts match but > > she said that that wouldn't be too noisy and anyway it > > takes place at the other end of the pub. > > > > The landlady is called Lisa and the landlord Felix. > > > > Here's the address and other details: > > > > Quebec Tavern > > 93-97 Quebec Road > > Norwich > > NR1 4HY > > > > Tel 01603 490366 > > email: felix.snell1 at btopenworld.com > > > > Stair > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From homeopathy.expert at googlemail.com Tue Feb 10 11:17:39 2009 From: homeopathy.expert at googlemail.com (Simon King) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:17:39 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] New Meeting Place In-Reply-To: <53084F6E-E536-4C2C-97E5-663E482D43E5@virgin.net> References: <280512.42258.qm@web25906.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <734d07ef0902100001r7248681bs3bc031a7deb40809@mail.gmail.com> <53084F6E-E536-4C2C-97E5-663E482D43E5@virgin.net> Message-ID: <734d07ef0902100317l1890e92ek79fc8c556bce6072@mail.gmail.com> I can check out the playhouse later today if you like ( I wont be here for the reply beforehand so Ill do it anyway) The Quebec: I dont want to 'dis' the place out of hand but can only relate my observations; I can see it easily from my flat. It just strikes me as a place I d rather not visit (never have been inside) because of the clientele that I see there, (not saying they're the dregs by anymeans but if you factor in the betting shop opposite the pub it gives you a clue) that's all i can say about it really, it's not the sort of place I'd feel comforatble going to. I exclude the normal-for-a-pub comings and goings in my impressions. Simon On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:10 AM, Paul Chapman wrote: > > On Feb 10, 2009, at 08:01, Simon King wrote: > > I live a stones throw away and have to say it would not be my choice;) >> > > Coming in a bit late to this discussion about a new venue. > > It sounds like you have reservations about the Quebec, Simon. Up to now it > appeared to tick a lot of the boxes so could you enlighten us as to the > possible problems please? > > I do have great reservations about using the Forum. I love the place and am > quite happy to have a coffee or a pizza there with friends and family but > the noise level, especially in the evening, would make it almost impossible > for me to participate in a meeting. Of course some might think this a good > thing! > > I was hoping to check out some of the alternatives suggested but as yet > haven't had the opportunity. I cannot remember if there is a door through to > that room at the Playhouse or if it is just an open entrance. If there is no > door it certainly can get very noisy in the foyer which would get through to > that room. The Fat Cat sounded a possibility as long as, again, the noise > from the rest of the place doesn't filter through to where we would be. With > the Baker's Arms there was no physical door but as very few people used the > pub there was not much extra noise. Unfortunately the lack of soft > furnishings in that room meant that the acoustics were quite bad for those > of us with poor hearing. > > Paul C > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- Kind Regards Simon King 227 St Leonards Rd Norwich Norfolk NR1 4JN UK 01603 466092 07954 581 774 From steve.forst at virgin.net Tue Feb 10 11:33:57 2009 From: steve.forst at virgin.net (Steve Forster) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:33:57 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] New Meeting Place In-Reply-To: <734d07ef0902100001r7248681bs3bc031a7deb40809@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: For info The Playroom at Playhouse does have doors. I?ve attended formal board meetings there which have gone without problem as well as more social gatherings. Don?t personally know the Quebec, other central options that have just occurred to me could be the upstairs room at Hog In Armour and downstairs room at what used to be St Andrews Tavern (now Rumsey Wells?) although haven?t been down there for some years. Not sure about wi fi at any of these. -- Steve Forster From: Simon King Reply-To: Norwich Mac User Group list Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:01:01 +0000 To: Norwich Mac User Group list Subject: Re: [NMUG] New Meeting Place I live a stones throw away and have to say it would not be my choice;) Simon On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Alistair Hindmarch wrote: > Hi Paul and all, > > Just driven up to the Quebec Tavern and spoken to the landlady again. > Found that they have a car park as well as the roadside parking. > Explained about the side room again after she had shown it to me recently > and explained that if it was decided it would probably be required on the > 4th Wednesday of every month and she was fine about that too. > The room has a door on it rather than being open plan. Access to the bar if > required inside as well as outside the room. > On a Wednesday they sometimes have a ladies darts match but she said that > that wouldn't be too noisy and anyway it takes place at the other end of the > pub. > > The landlady is called Lisa and the landlord Felix. > > Here's the address and other details: > > Quebec Tavern > 93-97 Quebec Road > Norwich > NR1 4HY > > Tel 01603 490366 > email: felix.snell1 at btopenworld.com > > Stair > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- Kind Regards Simon King 227 St Leonards Rd Norwich Norfolk NR1 4JN UK 01603 466092 07954 581 774 _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From valeriehardman at btinternet.com Tue Feb 10 11:51:58 2009 From: valeriehardman at btinternet.com (VALERIE HARDMAN) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 11:51:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [NMUG] Re: NMUG Digest, Vol 61, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: <20090210111752.D5AC4807F76@mail.durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <139158.57362.qm@web86509.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi all In response to Simon's post re the venue I have passed the Quebec Tavern many times and it always looks ok, I think they have just done some work on the outside and it seems well looked after. I'm not sure why a nearby betting shop should cause any problems, especially for an evening meeting ... some of my best friends might go to betting shops!!! Valerie From robharrington at mac.com Tue Feb 10 12:55:46 2009 From: robharrington at mac.com (ROB HARRINGTON) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:55:46 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Venue Questions In-Reply-To: <139158.57362.qm@web86509.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <139158.57362.qm@web86509.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Looks like the only way you will resolve the issue of the venue would be to hold a NMUG pub crawl ! Rob Harrington From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Tue Feb 10 13:50:56 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 10 Feb 2009 13:50:56 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Screws & Bezel Message-ID: Hi I have three missing screws from the bottom of my PowerBook case. It is a G4 Titanium 867Mhz. It is causing the bottom to vibrate when the fan kicks in. Does anyone have any they could send me? Also, my PowerBook came with a smashed LCD which I replaced, but kind of hacked the front screen bezel a little in the process. It is a little bent and while it is on, it looks a bit rough. I would love to get another one, if anyone has one let me know. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. From david at vanedwards.co.uk Tue Feb 10 13:56:38 2009 From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:56:38 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iBook keyboard Message-ID: Is the keyboard replaceable in a white iBook? Is it easy? The "u" key is playing up and either not working or repeats the letter endlessly. Best wishes, David -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk From paul at durrant.co.uk Tue Feb 10 14:20:02 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:20:02 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iBook keyboard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CA5894B-23F5-4962-85AA-9E1EC3B129BD@durrant.co.uk> The white iBook the keyboard is a simple replacement, but there are several different versions - you must get one that's right for your iBook, as the cable is slightly different over the years. The MacBook keyboard replacement is a lot more complex. Paul On 10 Feb 2009, at 13:56, David Van Edwards wrote: > Is the keyboard replaceable in a white iBook? > > Is it easy? The "u" key is playing up and either not working or > repeats the letter endlessly. > > Best wishes, > > David > -- > The Smokehouse, > 6 Whitwell Road, > Norwich, NR1 4HB > England. > > Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 > Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk Tue Feb 10 14:31:27 2009 From: footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk (joe butler) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:31:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [NMUG] iBook keyboard In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <44691.90300.qm@web26706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I have a few ibook keyboards for sale, let me know what you have and I will see what i can do. Joe Cheap and Free mobile phones http://www.nimrod.2u.co.uk ? Iphone and Ipod Insurance http://nimrod.2u.co.uk/insurance ? Get your own FREE mobile phones sales website http://nimrod.2uaffiliates.com/join/ ? ? ? ? --- On Tue, 10/2/09, David Van Edwards wrote: From: David Van Edwards Subject: [NMUG] iBook keyboard To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" Date: Tuesday, 10 February, 2009, 1:56 PM Is the keyboard replaceable in a white iBook? Is it easy? The "u" key is playing up and either not working or repeats the letter endlessly. Best wishes, David -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From alanbarber at mac.com Tue Feb 10 15:25:25 2009 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:25:25 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] venue Message-ID: <46CC5F6D-8B44-4ACA-81E5-D339074F64C3@mac.com> I have just been into the Quebec and spoken to the landlord. The room we could use is their dining room. It has 4 tables each with 4 chairs which they would be happy for us to move to seat everyone. The place is spotless and the owners are very welcoming. If we needed they would be happy to install wi-fi. With the car park I would say its as close to perfect as we are likely to get for free. Regards Alan From jinshinjewels at googlemail.com Tue Feb 10 16:37:50 2009 From: jinshinjewels at googlemail.com (Jules Slaughter) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:37:50 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] website In-Reply-To: References: <11fd248c7a3570a155a7d4d465401743@virgin.net> <982973.63679.qm@web26701.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dear Everyone Thanks for all that info. I have been thinking about a new website the last few weeks and now I have some info to work on. I may not be an active member of Mugs as I don;t understand what you are on about, but sometimes its worth receiving your mails! Cheers Jules On 2/10/09, David Tillyer wrote: > Hi Martin, > > I use photobiz.com for my site (www.davidthephotographer.co.uk) and their > service is great and because it is a template based service it is all tried > and tested. The templates are very customisable and I usually get an e-mail > back from them with the hour if I have a support question. > > David > > > > > From: Martin Fry > > Subject: [NMUG] website > > To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" > > Date: Monday, 9 February, 2009, 7:52 PM > > > > Hi all > > > > It seems I have a bunch of idiots looking after my website! > > > > When something goes wrong or needs changing it takes 1 - 2 weeks for them > > to > > sort it out. they are not photographers or, it seems, designers. > > > > As my site is my window to the world is there anyone out there who is good > > at > > the workings of websites and wouldn't incur me getting a mortgage every > > time > > I need help? > > > > Regards > > > > martin > > www.martinfryphotography.com > > _______________________________________________ > > NMUG mailing list > > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > > > > > > > -- > David Tillyer Photography > > http://www.davidthephotographer.co.uk > > http://davidthephotographer.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- Jules Calm Classes & Therapies to improve your health From kelvinyoungs at mac.com Tue Feb 10 16:43:56 2009 From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:43:56 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] website In-Reply-To: References: <11fd248c7a3570a155a7d4d465401743@virgin.net> <982973.63679.qm@web26701.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <133225EA-2CF3-4AA9-B11A-1173E5CD3BB9@mac.com> Take a look at RapidWeaver - great ? easy and a cheap programme for mac's and the support forum is simply superb - I have had to use it many times when starting to build my website, even now when I hit a problem ? they can and do also assist with various mac problems. http://www.realmacsoftware.com/rapidweaver/ Kelvin Youngs http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com -------------- next part -------------- From david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk Tue Feb 10 16:48:55 2009 From: david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk (David Reynolds) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:48:55 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] website In-Reply-To: <11fd248c7a3570a155a7d4d465401743@virgin.net> References: <11fd248c7a3570a155a7d4d465401743@virgin.net> Message-ID: <375992370902100848j3130a8ffh66d2cafc27220322@mail.gmail.com> Martin, 2009/2/9 Martin Fry : > As my site is my window to the world is there anyone out there who is good > at the workings of websites and wouldn't incur me getting a mortgage every > time I need help? If you have time to work on your website yourself - I hear good things about Squarespace (http://www.squarespace.com/). If you want somebody local, the company I used to work for might be able to help you (http://www.paston.co.uk/) Thanks, David -- David Reynolds david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk From paul at durrant.co.uk Tue Feb 10 19:32:46 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:32:46 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] =?iso-8859-1?q?Sony_Reader_=28refurbished=29_at_=A3141=2E?= =?iso-8859-1?q?40?= Message-ID: http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=169547e.com/ The Sony supplied software doesn't work with Mac OS X, but the rather splendid open source Calibre does as good or better job. I have a CyBook, but the Sony Reader uses the same screen and is a good buy at this price at this time. Paul From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk Tue Feb 10 20:13:44 2009 From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:13:44 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iTouch Message-ID: <437B2679-67C5-4C3D-AA5D-4A83C3850C6E@themagic.me.uk> Whist enjoying my iTouch I do have annoying 'minus' for it: Each morning I bring in my mail to my computer, using Mail app. I file or trash most of the incoming mail, sometimes keeping just 1 or 2 items in the InBox. Later I connect the iTouch and bring in the mail which is any new items (arrived since earlier in the morning), and everything that I had already dealt with in the computer. So I then have to laboriously delete from the iTouch?quite well arranged by Apple. Apple said that's the way it is and did not understand when I asked if I could get my ISP to delete it from their server, as I assume they do, would that get rid of it. In fact I realise that the ISP only sends it once to my computer. Advice and comments welcome, please. Anthony From paul at durrant.co.uk Tue Feb 10 20:38:04 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:38:04 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iTouch In-Reply-To: <437B2679-67C5-4C3D-AA5D-4A83C3850C6E@themagic.me.uk> References: <437B2679-67C5-4C3D-AA5D-4A83C3850C6E@themagic.me.uk> Message-ID: It rather depends on how you access your mail server. If you access it with POP3, then yes, this is how it is. The server doesn't know what messages you're read - each mail client keeps its own list of what's been read and what's new. This is why you see everything again. If your mail server allows you to connect via IMAP, this might solve your problem, as then it's the mail server that keeps track of what's been read or not, and so reading someting on one mail client will mean that it's marked as read on all mail clients. regards, Paul On 10 Feb 2009, at 20:13, Anthony Brahams wrote: > Whist enjoying my iTouch I do have annoying 'minus' for it: > > Each morning I bring in my mail to my computer, using Mail app. I > file or trash most of the incoming mail, sometimes keeping just 1 or > 2 items in the InBox. > > Later I connect the iTouch and bring in the mail which is any new > items (arrived since earlier in the morning), and everything that I > had already dealt with in the computer. So I then have to > laboriously delete from the iTouch?quite well arranged by Apple. > > Apple said that's the way it is and did not understand when I asked > if I could get my ISP to delete it from their server, as I assume > they do, would that get rid of it. In fact I realise that the ISP > only sends it once to my computer. > > Advice and comments welcome, please. From michelehurst at mac.com Tue Feb 10 20:55:31 2009 From: michelehurst at mac.com (Michele Hurst) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 20:55:31 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] website design Message-ID: <831F4AA5-BE65-46EB-82D4-EB9915ED14AC@mac.com> Just like to say to Martin Fry or anyone else that Kevin Allenby is a lovely (and very reasonable) web designer and has designed sites for myself and friends. He replied in one of the digests and I can totally recommend. kevin at sanderling.co.uk Michele Michele Hurst michelehurst at mac.com From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Tue Feb 10 23:01:42 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 10 Feb 2009 23:01:42 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] PowerBook G4 Fan Noise Message-ID: Hi I have an 867Mhz PowerBook G4 running Leopard for a few months. It was a bit of a repair job, but it is fully working now. The fan on the right side of the unit works fine most of the time. You can hear it spinning but nothing out of the ordinary, until the machine gets hot or is under a lot of work then the fan steps up a gear. The fan gets very loud and starts making a horrible grinding noise. I have Googled this problem with a number of solutions or causes but nothing concrete. Is it the fan? Is it normal wear and tear as this is a 6 year old machine? I have checked the fan and it looks clean. I also read that sometime if the cables to the fan are not in the right place they can get trapped between the casing and vibrate slightly, but this is definately a rotating noise. The only other thing to mention is I have a few screws from the bottom of my casing. There should be seven screws and I only have four. I have changed the position of the screws but it makes difference. I thought it might the casing slightly lose and vibrating. I should be able to pick up a fan pretty cheaply and I can fit it. Would it be worth it? Would it be worth replacing both the fans (there is one in the middle at the back blowing towards the back). >From reading around noisy fans seems to be quite common. Any help would be grateful. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk Wed Feb 11 08:51:16 2009 From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:51:16 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iTouch In-Reply-To: References: <437B2679-67C5-4C3D-AA5D-4A83C3850C6E@themagic.me.uk> Message-ID: Thanks, Paul. I use Apple's Mail app. and I have not yet found way to use IMAP there. Also will check that my ISP can. Regards Anthony On 10 Feb 2009, at 20:38, Paul Durrant wrote: > It rather depends on how you access your mail server. > > If you access it with POP3, then yes, this is how it is. The server > doesn't know what messages you're read - each mail client keeps its > own list of what's been read and what's new. This is why you see > everything again. > > If your mail server allows you to connect via IMAP, this might solve > your problem, as then it's the mail server that keeps track of > what's been read or not, and so reading someting on one mail client > will mean that it's marked as read on all mail clients. > > regards, > > Paul > > > On 10 Feb 2009, at 20:13, Anthony Brahams wrote: > >> Whist enjoying my iTouch I do have annoying 'minus' for it: >> >> Each morning I bring in my mail to my computer, using Mail app. I >> file or trash most of the incoming mail, sometimes keeping just 1 >> or 2 items in the InBox. >> >> Later I connect the iTouch and bring in the mail which is any new >> items (arrived since earlier in the morning), and everything that >> I had already dealt with in the computer. So I then have to >> laboriously delete from the iTouch?quite well arranged by Apple. >> >> Apple said that's the way it is and did not understand when I asked >> if I could get my ISP to delete it from their server, as I assume >> they do, would that get rid of it. In fact I realise that the ISP >> only sends it once to my computer. >> >> Advice and comments welcome, please. > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Wed Feb 11 09:04:11 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:04:11 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iTouch In-Reply-To: References: <437B2679-67C5-4C3D-AA5D-4A83C3850C6E@themagic.me.uk> Message-ID: Mail.app can certainly use IMAP (I do that myself), as can the iPod Touch. It really depends on your ISP's mail server. (In Mail.app, you have to create a new account, and specify that it's an IMAP account, not a POP account.) Paul On 11 Feb 2009, at 08:51, Anthony Brahams wrote: > Thanks, Paul. I use Apple's Mail app. and I have not yet found way > to use IMAP there. Also will check that my ISP can. > From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Wed Feb 11 09:52:17 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:52:17 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Websites Message-ID: <5bbd42fe146e2f4f43484d64d84e24e7@virgin.net> Hi all Many thanks to all that replied with web designers. I built my first site myself with Freeway 3.5 many years ago and it served it's purpose then but not now. The company Graphics One build my site as it is now and designed it as I requested but HCOMS did all the technical stuff and they messed up right from the start and have not improved since then. from your suggestions, Kevin Allenby sounded good but he does not do Database driven websites ( as mine is due to the volume of images) but is getting someone who does to contact me. Also Paston chase who did another photographers site is a possibility. Regards Martin www.martinfryphotography.com From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com Wed Feb 11 10:09:08 2009 From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 10:09:08 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iBook keyboard In-Reply-To: <20090210203810.D6BE48086B7@mail.durrant.co.uk> References: <20090210203810.D6BE48086B7@mail.durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <4E4D916B-27DD-48C0-BE13-819C713F523F@gmail.com> On 10 Feb 2009, at 20:38, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote: > From: David Van Edwards > Subject: [NMUG] iBook keyboard > > > Is the keyboard replaceable in a white iBook? > > Is it easy? The "u" key is playing up and either not working or > repeats the letter endlessly. > > Best wishes, > > David > -- Have you considered the machine might be trying to tell you it loves you? On the other hand it might, of course, be pointing out your narcissistic side. I think we should be told. From brian at clearlight.uk.net Wed Feb 11 12:42:21 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:42:21 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iTouch = IMAP query In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I've been using POP accounts for my email and using a Powerbook and Desktop means I don't use my Desktop for email - which I work around by teleporting into the Powerbook when working at the Desktop. But IMAP sounds like it would enable auto synching of account so I can use both Powerbook and Desktop to send and receive email without losing copies of sent or received mails. Is this correct or will I still have only sent copies in the sent mailbox of the originating application? regards Brian Paul Durrant said recently: > Mail.app can certainly use IMAP (I do that myself), as can the iPod > Touch. It really depends on your ISP's mail server. > > (In Mail.app, you have to create a new account, and specify that it's > an IMAP account, not a POP account.) > > Paul > > On 11 Feb 2009, at 08:51, Anthony Brahams wrote: > >> Thanks, Paul. I use Apple's Mail app. and I have not yet found way >> to use IMAP there. Also will check that my ISP can. >> > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From kelvinyoungs at mac.com Wed Feb 11 12:45:48 2009 From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:45:48 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] contacting Andrew Message-ID: <0FFB6B2F-5429-460E-870A-A6CA7B7DD7C4@mac.com> Sorry to bother the group but seem to have mislaid email for a chap called Andrew who is "selling" me a keyboard - can he contact me off list please? Kelvin From macman at f2s.com Wed Feb 11 13:41:44 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:41:44 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iTouch = IMAP query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Brian Unfortunately the answer is yes, as whilst with IMAP all incoming mail remains on the server and can be viewed by any connected IMAP client, sent mail such as replies are recorded only on the machine they were sent from, and can't be seen from any other machine accessing the IMAP account. I tried this so my MD and I could both access and respond to incoming posts, but it's hopeless, as I could never tell if he had replied to anything and vice versa - a complete muddle and quite unworkable. You can, of course, cc any reply to yourself, so it would show in your inbox, but then you have a duplicate copy in the sent box of the sending machine! There are 2 alternatives - use webmail on your existing account, which can be a pain, but can be accessed on any machine from anywhere in the world, or much much better, get a Googlemail account, which anyone with the login can see, and which concatenates all incoming and outgoing mail with the same thread, based on the subject text. This works wonderfully well, as everyone can follow a saga from start to finish irrespective of who has sent replies, and all posts in the thread are presented in chronological sequence. You can also flag posts for the attention of a particular subscriber, so if my MD sees something coming in which needs my attention, he simply flags it 'Robbie', and I'll pick it up and respond. When done, If necessary I can change the flag and put the ball back in his court. Googlemail gives each account 7Gb of storage, so you can archive or bin, and until you empty the bin, (which shouldn't be necessary for a long, long time) can go back years later and search for a particular email by a variety of criteria. They have very effective Spam filters - we have numerous accounts now, and I have yet to see an offer of the usual 'men's medication' etc so common in ISP accounts. You can also send using your pop address and set forwarding to your existing account. Does just about everything other than make a cup of tea, and they're probably working on that ..... Hope this helps Robbie On 11 Feb 2009, at 12:42, Brian Steere wrote: I've been using POP accounts for my email and using a Powerbook and Desktop means I don't use my Desktop for email - which I work around by teleporting into the Powerbook when working at the Desktop. But IMAP sounds like it would enable auto synching of account so I can use both Powerbook and Desktop to send and receive email without losing copies of sent or received mails. Is this correct or will I still have only sent copies in the sent mailbox of the originating application? regards Brian Paul Durrant said recently: > Mail.app can certainly use IMAP (I do that myself), as can the iPod > Touch. It really depends on your ISP's mail server. > > (In Mail.app, you have to create a new account, and specify that it's > an IMAP account, not a POP account.) > > Paul > > On 11 Feb 2009, at 08:51, Anthony Brahams wrote: > >> Thanks, Paul. I use Apple's Mail app. and I have not yet found way >> to use IMAP there. Also will check that my ISP can. >> > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Wed Feb 11 17:06:15 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:06:15 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iTouch = IMAP query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <64EEA4E5-01B1-4C0A-B693-2672784C6A94@durrant.co.uk> This depends on the configuration of the mail client. In Mac OS X 10.5 Mail.app, there's an option "store sent messages on the server" which should mean that sent messages get synchronised too. Paul On 11 Feb 2009, at 13:41, Robbie Murray wrote: > Unfortunately the answer is yes, as whilst with IMAP all incoming > mail remains on the server and can be viewed by any connected IMAP > client, sent mail such as replies are recorded only on the machine > they were sent from, and can't be seen from any other machine > accessing the IMAP account. > From macman at f2s.com Wed Feb 11 17:41:13 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:41:13 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iTouch = IMAP query In-Reply-To: <64EEA4E5-01B1-4C0A-B693-2672784C6A94@durrant.co.uk> References: <64EEA4E5-01B1-4C0A-B693-2672784C6A94@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Thanks Paul: I stand corrected! I wrestled with that for years, and had no idea the option was available, but just found it. As I said recently, there's so much wisdom and knowledge within this group ... Robbie On 11 Feb 2009, at 17:06, Paul Durrant wrote: This depends on the configuration of the mail client. In Mac OS X 10.5 Mail.app, there's an option "store sent messages on the server" which should mean that sent messages get synchronised too. Paul On 11 Feb 2009, at 13:41, Robbie Murray wrote: > Unfortunately the answer is yes, as whilst with IMAP all incoming > mail remains on the server and can be viewed by any connected IMAP > client, sent mail such as replies are recorded only on the machine > they were sent from, and can't be seen from any other machine > accessing the IMAP account. > _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From brian at clearlight.uk.net Wed Feb 11 22:06:18 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:06:18 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iTouch = IMAP query In-Reply-To: <64EEA4E5-01B1-4C0A-B693-2672784C6A94@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Ok - both replies are welcome I already use gmail via pop and a few other pop accounts based on my domain hosts. I usually send from my clearlight mail address. As I see it I would have to dedicate quite a lot of space on server to keep a copy of my mails. Would I also experience delays while it synched? I'm on Entourage at present and tried Mail briefly in Tiger but retreated back again to Entourage. But I have 1.5gb of mail database here that I just haven't the time or interest in sorting out and I'd likely also want a way to archive mails off. Are Mail mails individual text files I wonder? regards Brian Paul Durrant said recently: > This depends on the configuration of the mail client. In Mac OS X 10.5 > Mail.app, there's an option "store sent messages on the server" which > should mean that sent messages get synchronised too. > > Paul > > > On 11 Feb 2009, at 13:41, Robbie Murray wrote: >> Unfortunately the answer is yes, as whilst with IMAP all incoming >> mail remains on the server and can be viewed by any connected IMAP >> client, sent mail such as replies are recorded only on the machine >> they were sent from, and can't be seen from any other machine >> accessing the IMAP account. >> > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From email at johnstephens.me.uk Wed Feb 11 23:26:01 2009 From: email at johnstephens.me.uk (John Stephens) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:26:01 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iPhone Message-ID: <76448288-0697-468D-A5B4-7684A9EA65D9@johnstephens.me.uk> Hi there, I've been thinking about getting an iPhone in order that I can take advantage of my MobileMe subscription and have my address book and iCal etc on the phone. At the moment I'm trapped in a contract with my current supplier for at least 12 months and have been considering an iPod touch which would be a good stop gap for these features. However, I'm still considering getting the iPhone 3G as pay-as-you-go and just letting my old contract expire, making use of the minutes etc for which I've already paid. I've looked on the Apple site as well as the O2 site. It seems that when buying from O2 there is a minimum spend each month, but I can't find mention of this on the Apple site. Is there still a minimum spend when buying from Apple? The links to terms and conditions etc lead to pages on the O2 site that are not very helpful. Hope someone has some ideas! Many thanks JS -- www.jsmusicservices.com From paul at durrant.co.uk Wed Feb 11 23:32:38 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:32:38 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iTouch = IMAP query In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mail.app store messages as individual files in Mac OS 10.4 and 10.5, as that way they work well with spotlight. In 10.3 and earlier it was a database kind of file. Paul On 11 Feb 2009, at 22:06, Brian Steere wrote: > Are Mail mails individual text files I wonder? From david at vanedwards.co.uk Wed Feb 11 19:00:30 2009 From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:00:30 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iBook keyboard In-Reply-To: <4E4D916B-27DD-48C0-BE13-819C713F523F@gmail.com> References: <20090210203810.D6BE48086B7@mail.durrant.co.uk> <4E4D916B-27DD-48C0-BE13-819C713F523F@gmail.com> Message-ID: At 10:09 +0000 11/2/09, stefan youngs wrote: >On 10 Feb 2009, at 20:38, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote: > >>From: David Van Edwards >>Subject: [NMUG] iBook keyboard >> >> >>Is the keyboard replaceable in a white iBook? >> >>Is it easy? The "u" key is playing up and either not working or >>repeats the letter endlessly. >> >>Best wishes, >> >>David >>-- > >Have you considered the machine might be trying to tell you it loves you? > >On the other hand it might, of course, be pointing out your narcissistic side. > >I think we should be told. Well it's my partner's son's machine so I couldn't possibly comment!! DAvid >_______________________________________________ >NMUG mailing list >NMUG at durrant.co.uk >http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk From richardivers at mac.com Thu Feb 12 08:11:26 2009 From: richardivers at mac.com (Richard Ivers) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 08:11:26 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iPhone In-Reply-To: <76448288-0697-468D-A5B4-7684A9EA65D9@johnstephens.me.uk> References: <76448288-0697-468D-A5B4-7684A9EA65D9@johnstephens.me.uk> Message-ID: <14439F1B-85F6-49EA-A2F7-F4008642BA17@mac.com> http://www.o2.co.uk/iphone/paygo JS if u go to the above address u will find the tariffs, min is ?10 - ?14 per month. What they don't tell u is that at the end of each month what credit u have left expires and u start with a new months credit which to me is not true pay and go. Free Unlimited browsing and WiFi for the first 12 months then ?10 per month thereafter. Hope this helps Richard On 11 Feb 2009, at 23:26, John Stephens wrote: > Hi there, > > I've been thinking about getting an iPhone in order that I can take > advantage of my MobileMe subscription and have my address book and > iCal etc on the phone. At the moment I'm trapped in a contract with > my current supplier for at least 12 months and have been considering > an iPod touch which would be a good stop gap for these features. > However, I'm still considering getting the iPhone 3G as pay-as-you- > go and just letting my old contract expire, making use of the > minutes etc for which I've already paid. > > I've looked on the Apple site as well as the O2 site. It seems that > when buying from O2 there is a minimum spend each month, but I can't > find mention of this on the Apple site. Is there still a minimum > spend when buying from Apple? The links to terms and conditions etc > lead to pages on the O2 site that are not very helpful. > > Hope someone has some ideas! > > Many thanks > > JS > -- > www.jsmusicservices.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From jill at 2jS.org Thu Feb 12 15:07:15 2009 From: jill at 2jS.org (jillsearle) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:07:15 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Replacment HD Message-ID: Advice please on a replacement HD for Macbook 2.2 My 125gb is now too full & too slow - How big can I efficiently go? Which is reliable & quiet? If there is a suitable enclosure for my present HD to use as an external? Thanks Jill From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu Feb 12 15:41:55 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:41:55 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Replacment HD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01C953BF-D368-473D-9E4F-A0CBE548C8E8@durrant.co.uk> 500GB seems to be the biggest available at the moment, for about ?85 + postage http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=58P6 For an external case for the internal disk, you'll need something that will take a 2.5" SATA drive. These are mostly only available with a USB interface. There are some with a firewire interface, but they're more expensive. e.g., for a USB case http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQitemZ310060963746 For a firewire case (actually a lot cheaper than when I last looked) http://www.storagedepot.co.uk/Enclosures-and-Cases/sc884/p875.aspx regards, Paul On 12 Feb 2009, at 15:07, jillsearle wrote: > Advice please on a replacement HD for Macbook 2.2 > My 125gb is now too full & too slow - How big can I efficiently go? > Which is reliable & quiet? > If there is a suitable enclosure for my present HD to use as an > external? > > Thanks > Jill From brian at clearlight.uk.net Thu Feb 12 17:02:24 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:02:24 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Replacment HD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'd go with the WD scorpio that Paul D linked to. (But being full mighty be the cause of its slowness - as Mac OSX needs lots of free space to swap out virtual memory - so a springclean with WhatSize or similar might actually help with speed). I have a 250gb WD Scorpio that I put in my Powerbook. Not a sata - but same brand. Very quiet and fast and I'm well pleased. I have a firewire usb icy box enclosure now that I was going to get a pata 2.5 drive to put in but maybe I should get a sata and a new case. Though I know the icybox is bootable - has anyone a sata firewire case like Paul linked to and can verify it boots ok? (And is sata inside a usb/fw case any advantage over a pata - apart from that they are cheaper per BG?) all the best Brian jillsearle said recently: > Advice please on a replacement HD for Macbook 2.2 > My 125gb is now too full & too slow - How big can I efficiently go? > Which is reliable & quiet? > If there is a suitable enclosure for my present HD to use as an external? > > Thanks > Jill > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Thu Feb 12 17:40:41 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:40:41 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Replacment HD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a 3.5" firewire/USB caddy from PC tradeshop. It houses an old SATA HD from my previous iMac which I use for Time Machine, so have never tried to boot from it, but I can't see any reason why it wouldn't They also do an inexpensive 2.5" - http://tinyurl.com/ac2d4b My troubleshooting drive for our older machines is a 2.5" firewire portable, bought complete from Storage Depot which has Tiger installed - boots without any problem and has always been a godsend. Not as modern as Paul's illustration, but It's few years old, so may actually just be the same innards in a different case. Robbie On 12 Feb 2009, at 17:02, Brian Steere wrote: I'd go with the WD scorpio that Paul D linked to. (But being full mighty be the cause of its slowness - as Mac OSX needs lots of free space to swap out virtual memory - so a springclean with WhatSize or similar might actually help with speed). I have a 250gb WD Scorpio that I put in my Powerbook. Not a sata - but same brand. Very quiet and fast and I'm well pleased. I have a firewire usb icy box enclosure now that I was going to get a pata 2.5 drive to put in but maybe I should get a sata and a new case. Though I know the icybox is bootable - has anyone a sata firewire case like Paul linked to and can verify it boots ok? (And is sata inside a usb/fw case any advantage over a pata - apart from that they are cheaper per BG?) all the best Brian jillsearle said recently: > Advice please on a replacement HD for Macbook 2.2 > My 125gb is now too full & too slow - How big can I efficiently go? > Which is reliable & quiet? > If there is a suitable enclosure for my present HD to use as an > external? > > Thanks > Jill > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From penguin.999 at virgin.net Thu Feb 12 17:53:48 2009 From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman) Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:53:48 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] venue In-Reply-To: <46CC5F6D-8B44-4ACA-81E5-D339074F64C3@mac.com> References: <46CC5F6D-8B44-4ACA-81E5-D339074F64C3@mac.com> Message-ID: <77E2D9D7-B9BC-447B-B43F-C5F8F74754E9@virgin.net> I think a decision has to be made soon about the new venue. After reading the various comments and checking out the options I think we should go for the Quebec. So, unless I hear back from anyone in the next day or so with a new and overwhelming reason why we shouldn't, I will book it. Pip pip Paul C From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Thu Feb 12 21:57:08 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 12 Feb 2009 21:57:08 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] OS 9.2.2 CD Message-ID: Hi I have just tried to install OS 9 on my PowerBook G4 867Mhz 15", but it won't work. According to MacTracker my Mac shipped with 9.2.2 and my disc is 9.1 Does anyone have a 9.2.2 disc Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. From brian at clearlight.uk.net Fri Feb 13 00:10:46 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 00:10:46 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Replacment HD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ah but I can ;-) There are various chipsets used in firewire and I have had trouble with some cheap ones in the past. That isn't to say it wont - but that my main reason for firewire is to have emergency boot on mobile drive for PPC Macs. all the best Brian Robbie Murray said recently: > I have a 3.5" firewire/USB caddy from PC tradeshop. It houses an old > SATA HD from my previous iMac which I use for Time Machine, so have > never tried to boot from it, but I can't see any reason why it wouldn't > > They also do an inexpensive 2.5" - > > http://tinyurl.com/ac2d4b > > My troubleshooting drive for our older machines is a 2.5" firewire > portable, bought complete from Storage Depot which has Tiger installed > - boots without any problem and has always been a godsend. Not as > modern as Paul's illustration, but It's few years old, so may actually > just be the same innards in a different case. > > Robbie > > > > > > On 12 Feb 2009, at 17:02, Brian Steere wrote: > > I'd go with the WD scorpio that Paul D linked to. > (But being full mighty be the cause of its slowness - as Mac OSX needs > lots > of free space to swap out virtual memory - so a springclean with > WhatSize or > similar might actually help with speed). > > I have a 250gb WD Scorpio that I put in my Powerbook. > Not a sata - but same brand. Very quiet and fast and I'm well pleased. > > I have a firewire usb icy box enclosure now that I was going to get a > pata > 2.5 drive to put in but maybe I should get a sata and a new case. > > Though I know the icybox is bootable - has anyone a sata firewire case > like > Paul linked to and can verify it boots ok? > > > (And is sata inside a usb/fw case any advantage over a pata - apart from > that they are cheaper per BG?) > > all the best > Brian > > > jillsearle said recently: > >> Advice please on a replacement HD for Macbook 2.2 >> My 125gb is now too full & too slow - How big can I efficiently go? >> Which is reliable & quiet? >> If there is a suitable enclosure for my present HD to use as an >> external? >> >> Thanks >> Jill >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NMUG mailing list >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Fri Feb 13 08:57:57 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 08:57:57 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] OS 9.2.2 CD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't think that there ever was a Mac OS 9.2.2 boot CD. This article: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1585 seems to address the issue, specifically > If your computer came with Mac OS 9.2.2 and Mac OS X 10.2 or 10.3, > and a non-bootable Software Restore CD which includes Mac OS 9.2.2, > do this: > ? Open Software Restore, and select to restore only Mac OS 9. > ? Open Classic preferences and verify that System Folder (the one > that was just installed) is selected for the Classic environment. What you could do is install Mac os 9.1 onto an older machine, upgrade it to 9.2.2 using the downloads from the Apple web site http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120030 http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=75186 and then copy the System Folder over to your Powerbook G4. Paul On 12 Feb 2009, at 21:57, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi > > I have just tried to install OS 9 on my PowerBook G4 867Mhz 15", but > it won't work. > > According to MacTracker my Mac shipped with 9.2.2 and my disc is 9.1 > > Does anyone have a 9.2.2 disc > > Simon > > --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, > upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for > Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, > so I bought an Apple Mac. > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From paul at durrant.co.uk Fri Feb 13 09:05:08 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:05:08 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Safari RSS vulnerability Message-ID: <7AFF926B-DC9B-4362-B705-D09EE3AA8C8D@durrant.co.uk> Apple have just released Security Update 2009-001 which fixes the RSS vulnerability in Safari I mentioned a while back. It turns out that the vulnerability allowed a malicious RSS link to run Javascript as if on your local machine. This was a very big security hole. If you didn't follow the instructions for changing the default application for RSS URLs at the time, DO make sure to install this security update soon. Paul From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Fri Feb 13 09:25:05 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 09:25:05 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] OS 9.2.2 CD Message-ID: <5dK7TRNTP3j9.b9bKqMvS@mail.simonroyal.co.uk> Paul I don't have an older machine, except one of my eMacs maybe, but I don't have a spare external hard drive either. I am wondering if this would work. I have a partition ready on my PowerBook. Could I hook it to one of my eMacs and install 9.1 on to the PowerBook via the eMac, then upgrade to 9.2.2 and then run it on my PowerBook. Or could I get hold of the original installation discs for it. Was the final retail version of OS 9 not the very last version or did that require updating too. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: [NMUG] OS 9.2.2 CD From: Paul Durrant Date: 13/02/2009 08:57 I don't think that there ever was a Mac OS 9.2.2 boot CD. This article: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1585 seems to address the issue, specifically > If your computer came with Mac OS 9.2.2 and Mac OS X 10.2 or 10.3, > and a non-bootable Software Restore CD which includes Mac OS 9.2.2, > do this: > ? Open Software Restore, and select to restore only Mac OS 9. > ? Open Classic preferences and verify that System Folder (the one > that was just installed) is selected for the Classic environment. What you could do is install Mac os 9.1 onto an older machine, upgrade it to 9.2.2 using the downloads from the Apple web site http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120030 http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=75186 and then copy the System Folder over to your Powerbook G4. Paul On 12 Feb 2009, at 21:57, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi > > I have just tried to install OS 9 on my PowerBook G4 867Mhz 15", but > it won't work. > > According to MacTracker my Mac shipped with 9.2.2 and my disc is 9.1 > > Does anyone have a 9.2.2 disc > > Simon > > --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, > upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for > Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, > so I bought an Apple Mac. > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Fri Feb 13 10:31:54 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:31:54 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] OS 9.2.2 CD In-Reply-To: <5dK7TRNTP3j9.b9bKqMvS@mail.simonroyal.co.uk> References: <5dK7TRNTP3j9.b9bKqMvS@mail.simonroyal.co.uk> Message-ID: If the eMac already has Mac OS 9 on it, you could just copy that system folder over. Or the installation from the eMac onto the mounted Powerbook in firewire target mode might well work. I don't think that there was ever a retail version of 9.2.2. I do have a 9.2.1 disk, but since that's a year older than your Powerbook, I don't think it will boot it. Paul On 13 Feb 2009, at 09:25, Simon Royal wrote: > Paul > > I don't have an older machine, except one of my eMacs maybe, but I > don't have a spare external hard drive either. > > I am wondering if this would work. I have a partition ready on my > PowerBook. Could I hook it to one of my eMacs and install 9.1 on to > the PowerBook via the eMac, then upgrade to 9.2.2 and then run it on > my PowerBook. > > Or could I get hold of the original installation discs for it. > > Was the final retail version of OS 9 not the very last version or > did that require updating too. > > Simon > > > --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent > using Nokia E71) > > -original message- > Subject: Re: [NMUG] OS 9.2.2 CD > From: Paul Durrant > Date: 13/02/2009 08:57 > > I don't think that there ever was a Mac OS 9.2.2 boot CD. > > This article: > > http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1585 > > seems to address the issue, specifically > >> If your computer came with Mac OS 9.2.2 and Mac OS X 10.2 or 10.3, >> and a non-bootable Software Restore CD which includes Mac OS 9.2.2, >> do this: >> ? Open Software Restore, and select to restore only Mac OS 9. >> ? Open Classic preferences and verify that System Folder (the one >> that was just installed) is selected for the Classic environment. > > What you could do is install Mac os 9.1 onto an older machine, upgrade > it to 9.2.2 using the downloads from the Apple web site > > http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120030 > http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=75186 > > and then copy the System Folder over to your Powerbook G4. > > Paul > > On 12 Feb 2009, at 21:57, Simon Royal wrote: > >> Hi >> >> I have just tried to install OS 9 on my PowerBook G4 867Mhz 15", but >> it won't work. >> >> According to MacTracker my Mac shipped with 9.2.2 and my disc is 9.1 >> >> Does anyone have a 9.2.2 disc >> >> Simon >> >> --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, >> upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for >> Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, >> so I bought an Apple Mac. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NMUG mailing list >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From p.hunter at ntlworld.com Fri Feb 13 13:37:36 2009 From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 13:37:36 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] OS 9.2.2 CD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5204E5B0-13C2-4B09-8709-9319C84AF0A1@ntlworld.com> Hi Simon, I have OS 9.2.1 for the G4 PowerMac if that is of any help. peter On 12 Feb 2009, at 21:57, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi > > I have just tried to install OS 9 on my PowerBook G4 867Mhz 15", but > it won't work. > > According to MacTracker my Mac shipped with 9.2.2 and my disc is 9.1 > > Does anyone have a 9.2.2 disc > > Simon > > --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, > upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for > Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, > so I bought an Apple Mac. > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Fri Feb 13 15:53:18 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:53:18 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Sony Ebook Reader - refurbished Message-ID: <9B00DE22-C680-4EDD-954C-56A4524F7CAB@durrant.co.uk> If anyone's been considering buying an eInk based ebook reader, the Sony PRS-505 (refurbished) is currently available at a very good price from Expansys http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=169547 You can also get a ?10 off coupon from http://tinyurl.com/10quidoff making the total price, including VAT and postage, ?131.40 To use with a Mac you'll need the excellent open source free software, Calibre. http://calibre.kovidgoyal.net/ Ebooks themselves, of course, can be bought from lots of places. I get mine mostly from Webscriptions and Fictionwise. http://www.webscription.net http://www.fictionwise.com There are also /lots/ of out-of-copyrigth classic works available. An excellent site is Mobileread, which has lots of hand-formatted books, and discussion of ebooks and ebook readers. http://www.mobileread.com/ Paul From jill at 2jS.org Fri Feb 13 16:29:43 2009 From: jill at 2jS.org (jillsearle) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:29:43 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Re Replacment HD Message-ID: Thanks Paul I have acted on your advice & bought the 500gb, which I can keep when I sell the machine, I had previously only looked at 350gb. The usb enclosure will keep the 150gb drive safe - & useable - until then. My next challenge will be to install. Can I copy the contents of my imac HD to the newly installed HD complete or should I install Leopard & major apps first then drag the rest? Thanks Jill From paul at durrant.co.uk Fri Feb 13 16:50:06 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:50:06 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Re Replacment HD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53C39097-FD85-4CDF-BCEB-602BDF87A436@durrant.co.uk> iMac HD? I thought this was a replacement for a MacBook HD? Anyway, I'd suggest installing the new disk in the external case, then duplicating your old disk onto the new disk using SuperDuper! ( http://www.shirt-pocket.com/SuperDuper/SuperDuperDescription.html ) and then removing from the external case and installing it in the MacBook. Installing a replacement had disk in a MacBook (not iBook!) is an easy take, but you will need very small philips screwdriver, and a small torx screwdriver. You just shutdown, unplug from mains, remove battery, undo the three screws holding the L shaped metal sides of the batter compartment and remove it. The hard disk then just pulls out on runners. MAKE SURE YOU NOTE WHICH WAY UP IT IS! Then swap the runners over to the new hard disk, and install slide the new hard disk into place, THE SAME WAY UP AS THE OLD DISK. The replace the L-shaped bit of metal, tighten up the three screws, re-install battery, and you're done. regards, Paul On 13 Feb 2009, at 16:29, jillsearle wrote: > Thanks Paul > I have acted on your advice & bought the 500gb, which I can keep > when I sell > the machine, I had previously only looked at 350gb. > The usb enclosure will keep the 150gb drive safe - & useable - until > then. > > My next challenge will be to install. Can I copy the contents of my > imac HD > to the newly installed HD complete or should I install Leopard & > major apps > first then drag the rest? > Thanks > Jill > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From brian at clearlight.uk.net Fri Feb 13 22:04:57 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:04:57 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Re Replacment HD In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Jill You can use one of the cloning utilities to make a perfect bootable copy of one hard disk onto another. I use Super Duper - Carbon Copy Cloner is another. Not sure if and what drive you bought for what Mac - but the cloning is a way to carry on with the same set up on a new disk. hope this helps regards Brian jillsearle said recently: > Thanks Paul > I have acted on your advice & bought the 500gb, which I can keep when I sell > the machine, I had previously only looked at 350gb. > The usb enclosure will keep the 150gb drive safe - & useable - until then. > > My next challenge will be to install. Can I copy the contents of my imac HD > to the newly installed HD complete or should I install Leopard & major apps > first then drag the rest? > Thanks > Jill > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ian at igdesign.co.uk Sat Feb 14 10:31:14 2009 From: ian at igdesign.co.uk (Ian Garrett) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 10:31:14 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Firefox and printing Message-ID: <049209E3-0E89-463B-B7C5-EF1193D695B8@igdesign.co.uk> Hi All, If I use "Page setup..." in Firefox, the "Print" menu item is greyed out afterwards. If I then open Preferences and close it again (without changing anything), the "Print" menu item is active again. Has anyone else had this problem? Any suggestions as to how to fix it? Regards, Ian From jill at 2jS.org Sat Feb 14 12:20:05 2009 From: jill at 2jS.org (jillsearle) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 12:20:05 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Macbook replacemet HD Message-ID: Whoops being woolly again! Thanks for advice but sorry for confusing the issue. The replacement hd is indeed for the macbook. My imac is my primary machine but I use the macbook when away from home. I do use Super Duper to back up the imac to a Lacie drive. If I copy my imac HD to the new macbook HD to use away - when I get back can I use Super Duper to upgrade the imac to match the macbook? That would be great Jill From macman at f2s.com Sat Feb 14 12:43:48 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 12:43:48 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Any guidance, thoughts or comments? All welcome! Message-ID: In a conversation with my ISP's chief engineer recently, he informed me that as I have several extensions plugged into my BT line, there could be a considerable speed bump to my ADSL (possibly 1-1.5Mb) by changing the faceplate on my BT Master socket. Unfortunately, my flat is around 40 years old, and still sports the original BT socket - a flat fronted recessed metal box with the incoming cabling wired directly to the socket for the phone: no electronics, gubbins, test socket or removable faceplate. This is a far cry from the standard BT socket (I believe an NTE-5) now fitted to new installations, which sports a test socket for troubleshooting purposes, and a half-front which can be replaced with a filtered version (I - Plate) which will maximise my ADSL connection. It seems to me that since the existing one is BT property and totally obselete, it should be updated and replaced at no cost, but BT don't agree - they want about ?150.00! Anyone as old as me will possibly recall that interfering with this socket used to be punishable by death in the days of GPO telephones, and I've been unable to establish if this is still the case, but erring on the side of caution, I wonder if my best option is to buy an NTE-5 socket (around ?9.00 rather than ?150) and connect it as a first extension from the BT Master, either hard wired or via a short extension, then just hang everything from that. Anyone had any experience? Robbie From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk Sat Feb 14 14:58:46 2009 From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 14:58:46 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Any guidance, thoughts or comments? All welcome! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Robbie, Messing with these still merits some form of unmentionable punishments. There are ways around it. Have a look at ADSL Nation and Clarity. Think there is some way of dealing with these ancient boxes which doesn't incur the wrath of BT. I have just upped my sync speed from 2 Megs to over 4 megs by getting one of the ADSL Nation NTE-5 faceplates to fit at the Master socket. I think there is kit available to fit to an old style master socket. Haven't got the links but googling is likely to help. I have surplus cable in my loft (10-20 feet), which a BT engineer left when I had a line fault so I could move the master socket if I wished. That and the fact I had 4 sockets to the Lounge (2) and bedrooms (1 each) with cable that got kinked left a less than perfect service. Also, the line from the master socket to the router (another 20 feet or so) has excess cable too. While the ADSL Nation box helps, its been too cold to go into the loft to sort everything out. Should be OK soon though. Steven Jefferson steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk On 14 Feb 2009, at 12:43, Robbie Murray wrote: > In a conversation with my ISP's chief engineer recently, he informed > me that as I have several extensions plugged into my BT line, there > could be a considerable speed bump to my ADSL (possibly 1-1.5Mb) by > changing the faceplate on my BT Master socket. > > Unfortunately, my flat is around 40 years old, and still sports the > original BT socket - a flat fronted recessed metal box with the > incoming cabling wired directly to the socket for the phone: no > electronics, gubbins, test socket or removable faceplate. > > This is a far cry from the standard BT socket (I believe an NTE-5) > now fitted to new installations, which sports a test socket for > troubleshooting purposes, and a half-front which can be replaced > with a filtered version (I - Plate) which will maximise my ADSL > connection. > > It seems to me that since the existing one is BT property and > totally obselete, it should be updated and replaced at no cost, but > BT don't agree - they want about ?150.00! > > Anyone as old as me will possibly recall that interfering with this > socket used to be punishable by death in the days of GPO telephones, > and I've been unable to establish if this is still the case, but > erring on the side of caution, I wonder if my best option is to buy > an NTE-5 socket (around ?9.00 rather than ?150) and connect it as a > first extension from the BT Master, either hard wired or via a short > extension, then just hang everything from that. > > Anyone had any experience? > > Robbie_______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Sat Feb 14 15:22:30 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 15:22:30 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Any guidance, thoughts or comments? All welcome! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0AE7349D-71C3-4536-807E-09458F393050@f2s.com> Hi Steven Since posting, I found both of the sites you mention, and they make it clear that whilst not maybe quite punishable by death, it's still a major criminal offence! My concern stems from an experience over 30 years ago, when my wife was pregnant with our first child, and confined to bed as she was threatening to miscarry. As I wanted her to have the phone by the bedside at all times, I went to an electronics shop in St Benedicts and enquired if they sold telephone cable. The guy advised that it was highly illegal to sell it, or interfere with Her Majesty's telephones, but could offer me 'something similar' I assured him it was for a totally different purpose and bought 30 feet of it. When I got home I discovered a very useful little slip inside the bag showing exactly how to wire an extension, and duly solved the problem. All was well until one day the phone packed in and I requested a visit from an engineer, only to panic an hour later when I realised I would be found out, and had to rush to restore all the wiring to the original configuration. Just managed to complete it 5 minutes before he turned up! Got away with it, and happy to report that No 1 daughter is now 32 years old. I think my best bet is that as the existing socket is a pain to access, to add an NTE-5 on the consumer side of the BT socket on a floating mount, then treat that as my BT Master. Many thanks for the advice Robbie On 14 Feb 2009, at 14:58, Steven Jefferson wrote: Robbie, Messing with these still merits some form of unmentionable punishments. There are ways around it. Have a look at ADSL Nation and Clarity. Think there is some way of dealing with these ancient boxes which doesn't incur the wrath of BT. I have just upped my sync speed from 2 Megs to over 4 megs by getting one of the ADSL Nation NTE-5 faceplates to fit at the Master socket. I think there is kit available to fit to an old style master socket. Haven't got the links but googling is likely to help. I have surplus cable in my loft (10-20 feet), which a BT engineer left when I had a line fault so I could move the master socket if I wished. That and the fact I had 4 sockets to the Lounge (2) and bedrooms (1 each) with cable that got kinked left a less than perfect service. Also, the line from the master socket to the router (another 20 feet or so) has excess cable too. While the ADSL Nation box helps, its been too cold to go into the loft to sort everything out. Should be OK soon though. Steven Jefferson steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk On 14 Feb 2009, at 12:43, Robbie Murray wrote: > In a conversation with my ISP's chief engineer recently, he informed > me that as I have several extensions plugged into my BT line, there > could be a considerable speed bump to my ADSL (possibly 1-1.5Mb) by > changing the faceplate on my BT Master socket. > > Unfortunately, my flat is around 40 years old, and still sports the > original BT socket - a flat fronted recessed metal box with the > incoming cabling wired directly to the socket for the phone: no > electronics, gubbins, test socket or removable faceplate. > > This is a far cry from the standard BT socket (I believe an NTE-5) > now fitted to new installations, which sports a test socket for > troubleshooting purposes, and a half-front which can be replaced > with a filtered version (I - Plate) which will maximise my ADSL > connection. > > It seems to me that since the existing one is BT property and > totally obselete, it should be updated and replaced at no cost, but > BT don't agree - they want about ?150.00! > > Anyone as old as me will possibly recall that interfering with this > socket used to be punishable by death in the days of GPO telephones, > and I've been unable to establish if this is still the case, but > erring on the side of caution, I wonder if my best option is to buy > an NTE-5 socket (around ?9.00 rather than ?150) and connect it as a > first extension from the BT Master, either hard wired or via a short > extension, then just hang everything from that. > > Anyone had any experience? > > Robbie_______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ajf at afco.demon.co.uk Sat Feb 14 15:34:59 2009 From: ajf at afco.demon.co.uk (Alan Fry) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 15:34:59 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Firefox and printing In-Reply-To: <049209E3-0E89-463B-B7C5-EF1193D695B8@igdesign.co.uk> References: <049209E3-0E89-463B-B7C5-EF1193D695B8@igdesign.co.uk> Message-ID: On 14 Feb 2009, at 10:31, Ian Garrett wrote: > Hi All, > > If I use "Page setup..." in Firefox, the "Print" menu item is greyed > out afterwards. If I then open Preferences and close it again > (without changing anything), the "Print" menu item is active again. > > Has anyone else had this problem? Yes, v 3.0.6 does exactly that here too. > Any suggestions as to how to fix it? Sadly, no. Alan Fry > Regards, > Ian > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From munkt0n at gmail.com Sat Feb 14 15:42:25 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 15:42:25 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Firefox and printing In-Reply-To: References: <049209E3-0E89-463B-B7C5-EF1193D695B8@igdesign.co.uk> Message-ID: how odd, never noticed it before. I think it's a bug, if you hit command + p you can still print On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Alan Fry wrote: > > On 14 Feb 2009, at 10:31, Ian Garrett wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> If I use "Page setup..." in Firefox, the "Print" menu item is greyed out >> afterwards. If I then open Preferences and close it again (without changing >> anything), the "Print" menu item is active again. >> >> Has anyone else had this problem? > > Yes, v 3.0.6 does exactly that here too. > >> Any suggestions as to how to fix it? > > Sadly, no. > > Alan Fry > > >> Regards, >> Ian >> _______________________________________________ >> NMUG mailing list >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- :wq From ian at igdesign.co.uk Sat Feb 14 16:25:56 2009 From: ian at igdesign.co.uk (Ian Garrett) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:25:56 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Firefox and printing In-Reply-To: References: <049209E3-0E89-463B-B7C5-EF1193D695B8@igdesign.co.uk> Message-ID: <8F477841-D7E6-4239-A54A-BF7D2F509278@igdesign.co.uk> Nice to know I'm not alone! Regards, Ian On 14 Feb , at Sat 14 Feb, 03:34:59, Alan Fry wrote: > > On 14 Feb 2009, at 10:31, Ian Garrett wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> If I use "Page setup..." in Firefox, the "Print" menu item is >> greyed out afterwards. If I then open Preferences and close it >> again (without changing anything), the "Print" menu item is active >> again. >> >> Has anyone else had this problem? > > Yes, v 3.0.6 does exactly that here too. > >> Any suggestions as to how to fix it? > > Sadly, no. > > Alan Fry > > >> Regards, >> Ian >> _______________________________________________ >> NMUG mailing list >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ian at igdesign.co.uk Sat Feb 14 16:29:35 2009 From: ian at igdesign.co.uk (Ian Garrett) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:29:35 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Firefox and printing In-Reply-To: References: <049209E3-0E89-463B-B7C5-EF1193D695B8@igdesign.co.uk> Message-ID: <9E5B9CC5-D31C-4660-8C35-00C1BBBF6355@igdesign.co.uk> Well, that's amazing! Good to know it's possible to print, though I'm surprised the keyboard shortcut works when the menu item is greyed out. I went through a phase of copying the URL into Safari and printing from there. Not good! Many thanks. Ian On 14 Feb , at Sat 14 Feb, 03:42:25, Scott Matthews wrote: > how odd, never noticed it before. I think it's a bug, if you hit > command + p you can still print > > On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Alan Fry > wrote: >> >> On 14 Feb 2009, at 10:31, Ian Garrett wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> If I use "Page setup..." in Firefox, the "Print" menu item is >>> greyed out >>> afterwards. If I then open Preferences and close it again (without >>> changing >>> anything), the "Print" menu item is active again. >>> >>> Has anyone else had this problem? >> >> Yes, v 3.0.6 does exactly that here too. >> >>> Any suggestions as to how to fix it? >> >> Sadly, no. >> >> Alan Fry >> >> >>> Regards, >>> Ian >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NMUG mailing list >>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NMUG mailing list >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > > > -- > :wq > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From penguin.999 at virgin.net Sat Feb 14 16:41:34 2009 From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:41:34 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Firefox and printing In-Reply-To: <9E5B9CC5-D31C-4660-8C35-00C1BBBF6355@igdesign.co.uk> References: <049209E3-0E89-463B-B7C5-EF1193D695B8@igdesign.co.uk> <9E5B9CC5-D31C-4660-8C35-00C1BBBF6355@igdesign.co.uk> Message-ID: On Feb 14, 2009, at 16:29, Ian Garrett wrote: > Well, that's amazing! Good to know it's possible to print, though > I'm surprised the keyboard shortcut works when the menu item is > greyed out. I went through a phase of copying the URL into Safari > and printing from there. Not good! Problem aired, views given and the problem sort of solved before I get a chance to put my bit in!! I will add a little bit more. As I never use the Print option from the top menu I had not come across that problem. For years now I have used 'Command P' as in the past that brought up a menu with a few more options in some programs. Just to see the problem for myself I did what Ian said and of course the Print was greyed out however I did notice that I did not have to go to Preferences to get it back. All I had to do was click on the desktop and then immediately click back onto the Firefox window and Print was back again. Paul C From jeremyknight at mac.com Sat Feb 14 16:49:37 2009 From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 16:49:37 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Firefox and printing In-Reply-To: <9E5B9CC5-D31C-4660-8C35-00C1BBBF6355@igdesign.co.uk> References: <049209E3-0E89-463B-B7C5-EF1193D695B8@igdesign.co.uk> <9E5B9CC5-D31C-4660-8C35-00C1BBBF6355@igdesign.co.uk> Message-ID: <37F2E681-0808-40C6-8AB9-FDF3B1BE9CF2@mac.com> Hi I have tried to replicate your problem changing the page setup. But I have no problem at all and I am running 3.0.6 and 10.4 I have a mac mini are yours non intel? I did have a problem two versions back when I could not print multiple ebay invoices So I told Monzilla and it got fixed next time. jeremy On 14 Feb 2009, at 16:29, Ian Garrett wrote: > Well, that's amazing! Good to know it's possible to print, though > I'm surprised the keyboard shortcut works when the menu item is > greyed out. I went through a phase of copying the URL into Safari > and printing from there. Not good! > > Many thanks. > Ian > > > On 14 Feb , at Sat 14 Feb, 03:42:25, Scott Matthews wrote: > >> how odd, never noticed it before. I think it's a bug, if you hit >> command + p you can still print >> >> On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Alan Fry >> wrote: >>> >>> On 14 Feb 2009, at 10:31, Ian Garrett wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> If I use "Page setup..." in Firefox, the "Print" menu item is >>>> greyed out >>>> afterwards. If I then open Preferences and close it again >>>> (without changing >>>> anything), the "Print" menu item is active again. >>>> >>>> Has anyone else had this problem? >>> >>> Yes, v 3.0.6 does exactly that here too. >>> >>>> Any suggestions as to how to fix it? >>> >>> Sadly, no. >>> >>> Alan Fry >>> >>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Ian >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NMUG mailing list >>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NMUG mailing list >>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> :wq >> _______________________________________________ >> NMUG mailing list >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From penguin.999 at virgin.net Sat Feb 14 18:50:23 2009 From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 18:50:23 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] venue In-Reply-To: <77E2D9D7-B9BC-447B-B43F-C5F8F74754E9@virgin.net> References: <46CC5F6D-8B44-4ACA-81E5-D339074F64C3@mac.com> <77E2D9D7-B9BC-447B-B43F-C5F8F74754E9@virgin.net> Message-ID: <3DF18868-F453-4AF5-96DB-5C8CBF2D76F9@virgin.net> The Quebec has now been booked for February 25th. I talked to Felix, the landlord, and declined the offer of sandwiches. The Bakers Arms used to supply us with a whole range of nibbles which must have taken almost all the profit from any drinks we bought! No wonder they went out of business. Simon (and anyone else), here is a link to a map for you to put on the website. I will of course do the usual announcement nearer the time of the meeting. Pip pip Paul C From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Sat Feb 14 19:19:39 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 19:19:39 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Msg For Robert Message-ID: Robert Could you email me direct. Lost your email address. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Sat Feb 14 22:06:30 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 14 Feb 2009 22:06:30 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] PowerBook Light Mods Message-ID: Hi I am always looking at ways to make my PowerBook unique. My latest venture is more than just to paint a design on the back or change the logo colour. I am wondering if it is possible to wire up some thin strip lights inside - blue probably - so it would glow - a bit like the Nintendo Wii. Or possibly make small holes in the white edging of the powerbook and place small LEDs in it. This would need to be a totally internal mod - powered off something inside. One final thought that I have wanted for a while is a hard drive indicator light, something I miss from my old 486 PC tower from years ago. --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. From karl.hortt at btinternet.com Sun Feb 15 09:04:03 2009 From: karl.hortt at btinternet.com (Karl Hortt) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 09:04:03 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Iphone abroad Message-ID: <6FD38B02-2CFD-4124-98F5-427F58B381D0@btinternet.com> Hi All, I am going to New Zealand for a month and will be traveling around, there will be some business emails that I really want to know about and respond to I have contacted 02 re my iphone, I have taken out a 10meg deal for one month to allow me to get and send emails whilst i am there. I presume, that if I am am connected by WIFI to a hotspot, and turn off the data roaming, i will receive my emails thru the internet and not use part of my 10meg ???what do you think ? also I have 3 pop accounts, if I route these thru my IMAP gmail account, using the web browser to view them, as these are held on the gmail server and viewed rather than downloaded, will this reduced the use of the 10meg ? this would be via 02 link in New Zealand. texting seems good, I have 500 texts a month, 1 text back to UK, uses 4 texts of allowance the 10 meg deal which costs ?20 for the month, also reduces the cost of receiving and making calls to the UK and in New Zealand regards Karl From paul at durrant.co.uk Sun Feb 15 11:02:39 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 11:02:39 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Iphone abroad In-Reply-To: <6FD38B02-2CFD-4124-98F5-427F58B381D0@btinternet.com> References: <6FD38B02-2CFD-4124-98F5-427F58B381D0@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Any data through wifi won't count on your 10MB. Data through the phone connection does count. So looking at your email on the gmail web site when you're not connected to wifi will eat up your 10MB data. Keep a close eye on your data usage. 10MB isn't very much for a whole month. Paul On 15 Feb 2009, at 09:04, Karl Hortt wrote: > > Hi All, > > I am going to New Zealand for a month and will be traveling around, > there will be some business emails that I really want to know about > and respond to > > I have contacted 02 re my iphone, I have taken out a 10meg deal for > one month to allow me to get and send emails whilst i am there. > > I presume, that if I am am connected by WIFI to a hotspot, and turn > off the data roaming, i will receive my emails thru the internet and > not use part of my 10meg ???what do you think ? > > also I have 3 pop accounts, if I route these thru my IMAP gmail > account, using the web browser to view them, as these are held on > the gmail server and viewed rather than downloaded, will this > reduced the use of the 10meg ? this would be via 02 link in New > Zealand. > > texting seems good, I have 500 texts a month, 1 text back to UK, > uses 4 texts of allowance > > the 10 meg deal which costs ?20 for the month, also reduces the cost > of receiving and making calls to the UK and in New Zealand > > > regards > > Karl_______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From david at vanedwards.co.uk Sun Feb 15 12:40:11 2009 From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 12:40:11 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Spooky! Message-ID: I have QuarkXpress 4 running in Mac Classic and when I "save for output" it produces a file of info for the printers which I save into the same folder as the original Quark file, together with all the pictures used. However this file is invisible in the folder, either in list view or icon view. But Spotlight can find it and it says that's where it is and from Spotlight I can open it successfully. Quark also knows it's there. Why is Mac hiding it from me, and should I start to hang cloves of garlic on the monitor? Best wishes, David -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk From brian at clearlight.uk.net Sun Feb 15 12:50:27 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 12:50:27 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Any guidance, thoughts or comments? All welcome! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I recently changed the location of one of these on my old house and as the cable was already long enough - was only a job of shortening and reconnecting everything identically. (It simply entered the house via a different place. Now it may be that there is a map on my account etc but I highly doubt it. Now that would have cost my ex wife 180 quid. It took 15 minutes to effect. No one was hurt - except perhaps BT's trust and credibility rating. But yes if putting a new one in place feels risky - then add one just on the consumer side. This can filter all the extensions coming off so that you don't need to use splitters. But that would also mean you cant plug the router in elsewhere. all the best Brian Robbie Murray said recently: > In a conversation with my ISP's chief engineer recently, he informed > me that as I have several extensions plugged into my BT line, there > could be a considerable speed bump to my ADSL (possibly 1-1.5Mb) by > changing the faceplate on my BT Master socket. > > Unfortunately, my flat is around 40 years old, and still sports the > original BT socket - a flat fronted recessed metal box with the > incoming cabling wired directly to the socket for the phone: no > electronics, gubbins, test socket or removable faceplate. > > This is a far cry from the standard BT socket (I believe an NTE-5) now > fitted to new installations, which sports a test socket for > troubleshooting purposes, and a half-front which can be replaced with > a filtered version (I - Plate) which will maximise my ADSL connection. > > It seems to me that since the existing one is BT property and totally > obselete, it should be updated and replaced at no cost, but BT don't > agree - they want about ?150.00! > > Anyone as old as me will possibly recall that interfering with this > socket used to be punishable by death in the days of GPO telephones, > and I've been unable to establish if this is still the case, but > erring on the side of caution, I wonder if my best option is to buy an > NTE-5 socket (around ?9.00 rather than ?150) and connect it as a first > extension from the BT Master, either hard wired or via a short > extension, then just hang everything from that. > > Anyone had any experience? > > Robbie_______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From tomkershaw at mac.com Sun Feb 15 12:52:46 2009 From: tomkershaw at mac.com (Tom Kershaw) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 12:52:46 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Spooky! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4998101E.5070305@mac.com> David, Do you have any invisibility settings on, and is there a difference between accessing the file in the Classic environment or Mac OS X standard? Have you tried running QuarkXpress on a native Mac OS 9 machine? Tom. David Van Edwards wrote: > I have QuarkXpress 4 running in Mac Classic and when I "save for > output" it produces a file of info for the printers which I save into > the same folder as the original Quark file, together with all the > pictures used. > > However this file is invisible in the folder, either in list view or > icon view. But Spotlight can find it and it says that's where it is > and from Spotlight I can open it successfully. Quark also knows it's > there. > > Why is Mac hiding it from me, and should I start to hang cloves of > garlic on the monitor? > > Best wishes, > > David From brian at clearlight.uk.net Sun Feb 15 12:54:34 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 12:54:34 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Iphone abroad In-Reply-To: <6FD38B02-2CFD-4124-98F5-427F58B381D0@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I don't know about all this but I have set up online access in Entourage where the POP servers show up down the left pane - such that only the headers and first few keyboard are shown. I can then mark for deletion the unwanted and only download the mails I want. That reduces bandwidth - as would turning off images in browser. all the best Brian Karl Hortt said recently: > > Hi All, > > I am going to New Zealand for a month and will be traveling around, > there will be some business emails that I really want to know about > and respond to > > I have contacted 02 re my iphone, I have taken out a 10meg deal for > one month to allow me to get and send emails whilst i am there. > > I presume, that if I am am connected by WIFI to a hotspot, and turn > off the data roaming, i will receive my emails thru the internet and > not use part of my 10meg ???what do you think ? > > also I have 3 pop accounts, if I route these thru my IMAP gmail > account, using the web browser to view them, as these are held on the > gmail server and viewed rather than downloaded, will this reduced the > use of the 10meg ? this would be via 02 link in New Zealand. > > texting seems good, I have 500 texts a month, 1 text back to UK, uses > 4 texts of allowance > > the 10 meg deal which costs ?20 for the month, also reduces the cost > of receiving and making calls to the UK and in New Zealand > > > regards > > Karl_______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From brian at clearlight.uk.net Sun Feb 15 12:56:29 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 12:56:29 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Spooky! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: what the naming sceme - does it start with a . ? These are treated as invisible. regards Brian David Van Edwards said recently: > I have QuarkXpress 4 running in Mac Classic and when I "save for > output" it produces a file of info for the printers which I save into > the same folder as the original Quark file, together with all the > pictures used. > > However this file is invisible in the folder, either in list view or > icon view. But Spotlight can find it and it says that's where it is > and from Spotlight I can open it successfully. Quark also knows it's > there. > > Why is Mac hiding it from me, and should I start to hang cloves of > garlic on the monitor? > > Best wishes, > > David From david at vanedwards.co.uk Sun Feb 15 13:09:56 2009 From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 13:09:56 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Spooky! In-Reply-To: <4998101E.5070305@mac.com> References: <4998101E.5070305@mac.com> Message-ID: Dear Tom and Brian, No dot in front of the file name, it is "BarCD print report" I don't know anything about invisibility settings but as far as I know I am automatically in OSX when I'm looking at folders in my documents folder. I "think" that it's only the Quark that runs in OS9 and all its other files seem to be visible in the folder while in OSX Weirdly the same type of report file has always been visible before. I used to do the Cycle Campaign newsletter and the report file for that appeared in the normal non-Transylvanian manner. Best wishes, David At 12:52 +0000 15/2/09, Tom Kershaw wrote: >David, > >Do you have any invisibility settings on, and is there a difference >between accessing the file in the Classic environment or Mac OS X >standard? > >Have you tried running QuarkXpress on a native Mac OS 9 machine? > >Tom. > >David Van Edwards wrote: >>I have QuarkXpress 4 running in Mac Classic and when I "save for >>output" it produces a file of info for the printers which I save >>into the same folder as the original Quark file, together with all >>the pictures used. >> >>However this file is invisible in the folder, either in list view >>or icon view. But Spotlight can find it and it says that's where it >>is and from Spotlight I can open it successfully. Quark also knows >>it's there. >> >>Why is Mac hiding it from me, and should I start to hang cloves of >>garlic on the monitor? >> >>Best wishes, >> >>David > >_______________________________________________ >NMUG mailing list >NMUG at durrant.co.uk >http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk From macman at f2s.com Sun Feb 15 17:18:00 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:18:00 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Spooky! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Depends really on whether or not you're expecting Christopher Lee to pop in for tea David! Robbie On 15 Feb 2009, at 12:40, David Van Edwards wrote: should I start to hang cloves of garlic on the monitor? Best wishes, David -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From david at vanedwards.co.uk Sun Feb 15 21:45:58 2009 From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards) Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2009 21:45:58 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Spooky! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well the moon is waning gibbous tonight so I'm probably safe until March 11th. David >Depends really on whether or not you're expecting Christopher Lee to >pop in for tea David! > >Robbie > > > >On 15 Feb 2009, at 12:40, David Van Edwards wrote: > > should I start to hang cloves of garlic on the monitor? > >Best wishes, > >David >-- >The Smokehouse, >6 Whitwell Road, >Norwich, NR1 4HB >England. > >Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 >Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk > > >_______________________________________________ >NMUG mailing list >NMUG at durrant.co.uk >http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > >_______________________________________________ >NMUG mailing list >NMUG at durrant.co.uk >http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Mon Feb 16 11:41:42 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 16 Feb 2009 11:41:42 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] 9.2.2 Troubles Message-ID: Hi I am still having difficulties getting OS9 on my PowerBook. The problem is it requires a 9.2.2 CD to boot from. I have two versions of 9.2.2 (an iMac G3 and PowerMac G4 version) but none will install. It boots ok, but then says cannot be installed on this hardware. My 9.1 CD doesn't even boot - but I know it works as I installed it on my Pismo a while back. I have checked my other Macs in my house, they also (according to MacTracker) requires 9.2.2. Is my only hope to get the original discs that came with my PowerBook. I believe there was never a generic/retail version of 9.2.2 Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. From ajf at afco.demon.co.uk Mon Feb 16 13:35:43 2009 From: ajf at afco.demon.co.uk (Alan Fry) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 13:35:43 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Security Update 2009-001 Message-ID: <626144E3-3905-475E-809A-D1711EC194B6@afco.demon.co.uk> This recent security update has broken Perl quite badly; these links relate: It probably will not affect anyone who does not run a server or otherwise uses Perl but it is worth bearing in mind there is a problem. It might perhaps be best to avoid installing this update until Apple has sorted out the mess? Alan Fry From ashley.howes at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 16:56:37 2009 From: ashley.howes at gmail.com (Ashley Howes) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 16:56:37 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Recommendations sort on a very quiet external USB/Firewire hard drive In-Reply-To: <6A093B59-123D-4F44-8001-508311E81F6B@f2s.com> References: <6A093B59-123D-4F44-8001-508311E81F6B@f2s.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Robbie Murray wrote: > I have a LaCie D2 Quadra 500Gb which is totally silent when not working, and > almost inaudible when reading/writing. Hi all, Thanks for your help on this. I went for the above in the end and I'm very happy. Quick and quiet :) -- Ashle From ashley.howes at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 17:00:01 2009 From: ashley.howes at gmail.com (Ashley Howes) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:00:01 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Re: Slower boot run than normal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Ashley Howes wrote: > Hi all, > > Thanks for the advice on quiet hard drives. I have another query. > Over the last few days, my iMac has been taking longer to boot than > normal (approx. 30 seconds compared to roughly 15 seconds before). > The delay occurs on the initial grey screen *before* the apple logo > appears. Any ideas what might be causing this? Should I be worried? > Is there anywhere I can look, procedures I can follow or software I > can use to determine if a problem is occuring in software or hardware? Hi all, Followup on this. The problem was eventually traced to a PRAM issue. A few days after posting the above, the Mac won't start up at all (including from CD) and only responsed after attempting several keyboard combinations at turn-on. Once I got the Mac to boot, I reset the PRAM and the problem hasn't come back since. I've turned it on and off about 50 times since then to make sure :) -- Ashley From macman at f2s.com Mon Feb 16 17:18:41 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:18:41 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Re: Slower boot run than normal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0F2212E5-7893-4CCF-94CF-1FF93257F232@f2s.com> I never turn mine off unless a reboot seems necessary: just runs 24/7 ... Robbie On 16 Feb 2009, at 17:00, Ashley Howes wrote: I've turned it on and off about 50 times since then to make sure :) -- Ashley _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From fowler.j at me.com Mon Feb 16 17:18:32 2009 From: fowler.j at me.com (Jon Fowler) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:18:32 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Re: Slower boot run than normal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <90FCAE0D-78A0-4912-AA34-7FDE2A6AB9EF@me.com> When you turn the machine on, after the apple chime, hold 'D' until it goes to diagnostic. This will check your hardware. I expect there is no problem though. Jon Apple Solutions Consultant Based PC World Norwich Sent from my iPhone On 16 Feb 2009, at 17:00, Ashley Howes wrote: > On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 8:06 AM, Ashley Howes > wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Thanks for the advice on quiet hard drives. I have another query. >> Over the last few days, my iMac has been taking longer to boot than >> normal (approx. 30 seconds compared to roughly 15 seconds before). >> The delay occurs on the initial grey screen *before* the apple logo >> appears. Any ideas what might be causing this? Should I be worried? >> Is there anywhere I can look, procedures I can follow or software I >> can use to determine if a problem is occuring in software or >> hardware? > > Hi all, > > Followup on this. The problem was eventually traced to a PRAM issue. > A few days after posting the above, the Mac won't start up at all > (including from CD) and only responsed after attempting several > keyboard combinations at turn-on. Once I got the Mac to boot, I reset > the PRAM and the problem hasn't come back since. I've turned it on > and off about 50 times since then to make sure :) > > -- > > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ashley.howes at gmail.com Mon Feb 16 17:29:41 2009 From: ashley.howes at gmail.com (Ashley Howes) Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:29:41 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Re: Slower boot run than normal In-Reply-To: <90FCAE0D-78A0-4912-AA34-7FDE2A6AB9EF@me.com> References: <90FCAE0D-78A0-4912-AA34-7FDE2A6AB9EF@me.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Jon Fowler wrote: > When you turn the machine on, after the apple chime, hold 'D' until it goes > to diagnostic. This will check your hardware. I expect there is no problem > though. Hi Jon, Done that. After zapping the PRAM and getting the Mac up, that was the next thing I done. No problem reported. When the mac won't boot, it didn't even allow me to run the above, which was really worrying at the time, but now I can run it fine. -- Ashley From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk Tue Feb 17 08:25:57 2009 From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 08:25:57 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Family Tree software Message-ID: <064C557D-6443-4ABF-A549-F8D4D6431001@mendelsohn.me.uk> We are looking for family tree software that is user friendly - have seen two on Amazon - My Family Tree 5 by Synium which has no reviews and is available and Heredis (Family Tree Software) Mac X.2 (mac) which has one good review but is not available. Does anyone know of a suitable programme? Thanks, Ed and Phyll From angieking at mac.com Tue Feb 17 09:04:38 2009 From: angieking at mac.com (Angie King) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 09:04:38 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Family Tree software In-Reply-To: <064C557D-6443-4ABF-A549-F8D4D6431001@mendelsohn.me.uk> References: <064C557D-6443-4ABF-A549-F8D4D6431001@mendelsohn.me.uk> Message-ID: <5D8FF9B7-478E-4323-B6E3-A5449F8D2B17@mac.com> Try Reunion. I'm just dashing out so I'll look it up later and send you more details. Angie King On 17 Feb 2009, at 08:25, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: > We are looking for family tree software that is user friendly - have > seen two on Amazon - My Family Tree 5 by Synium which has no reviews > and is available and Heredis (Family Tree Software) Mac X.2 (mac) > which has one good review but is not available. > > Does anyone know of a suitable programme? > > Thanks, > > Ed and Phyll > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From band1 at mac.com Tue Feb 17 09:32:19 2009 From: band1 at mac.com (David King) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 09:32:19 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Family Tree software In-Reply-To: <064C557D-6443-4ABF-A549-F8D4D6431001@mendelsohn.me.uk> References: <064C557D-6443-4ABF-A549-F8D4D6431001@mendelsohn.me.uk> Message-ID: <26B9373B-7D35-4337-903C-81136CAE1080@mac.com> For a Mac Reunion is the one to use. It's not cheap but all singing and dancing and far better than anything else. This is the link: http://www.leisterpro.com/ David On 17 Feb 2009, at 08:25, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: > We are looking for family tree software that is user friendly - have > seen two on Amazon - My Family Tree 5 by Synium which has no reviews > and is available and Heredis (Family Tree Software) Mac X.2 (mac) > which has one good review but is not available. > > Does anyone know of a suitable programme? > > Thanks, > > Ed and Phyll > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Tue Feb 17 11:48:11 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 11:48:11 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] O/S 10.4 Message-ID: Hi all I am still on o/s 10.3.9 on my G4 can I use the 10.4 disks from my intel macbook pro to upgrade the G4? Martin www.martinfryphotography.com From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Tue Feb 17 12:02:14 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 12:02:14 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] O/S 10.4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2ABEF323-D95C-41EA-AD05-FA0DA51D009B@virgin.net> Hi Martin I did it successfully from my iMac to the Macbook. You could make a complete backup of you G4 to an external disk using Super Duper and try. If it goes pear-shaped you could reinstall the original on your G4. regards Nathan On 17 Feb 2009, at 11:48, Martin Fry wrote: > Hi all > > I am still on o/s 10.3.9 on my G4 can I use the 10.4 disks from my > intel macbook pro to upgrade the G4? > > Martin > > www.martinfryphotography.com > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Tue Feb 17 17:14:25 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:14:25 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] 10.4.11 Message-ID: <6CF597D3-0077-4A81-96EC-6D58149DA609@virgin.net> Hi all I have just updated my G4 to o/s 10.4.11. Very pleased that Corel draw still works as this is a major tool in creating my photo-leaflets. However I need to know where to find the following to import: my old address book info? my old email settings? for some reason I have to re-install photoshop Illustrator now does not have the type font palentino? Does upgrading change the look of the programs with differences & changes That will do for now I put 10.4.11 on a different drive so that if I get really pee'd off I can always go back to a peaceful life Martin From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Tue Feb 17 17:38:51 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:38:51 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] o/s 10.4.11 Message-ID: <7E01D5CB-7EDC-443F-8EB4-F4352DAE6C05@virgin.net> further to my last email How can I import all my 27 days of music in one go rather than one song at a time? martin From brian at clearlight.uk.net Tue Feb 17 20:08:46 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:08:46 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] 10.4.11 In-Reply-To: <6CF597D3-0077-4A81-96EC-6D58149DA609@virgin.net> Message-ID: I have no idea what you have actually done - but whenever I have incrementally upgraded- none of these issues arise - so I guess you have either erased and installed or archive installed. If the latter your old User folder and all of its contents are in the Previous systems folder. Usually all the things you say are maintained with the upgrade unless you chose not to by not checking the option. I don't know what you have upgraded from so cant answer your questions about changes. Glad you have a way back to peace - it might be easier to revert by the sound of it! Good luck Martin. regards Brian Martin Fry said recently: > Hi all > > I have just updated my G4 to o/s 10.4.11. > > Very pleased that Corel draw still works as this is a major tool in > creating my photo-leaflets. > > However I need to know where to find the following to import: > > my old address book info? > > my old email settings? > > for some reason I have to re-install photoshop > Illustrator now does not have the type font palentino? > > > Does upgrading change the look of the programs with differences & > changes > > That will do for now > > I put 10.4.11 on a different drive so that if I get really pee'd off > I can always go back to a peaceful life > > Martin > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk Tue Feb 17 20:39:37 2009 From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 20:39:37 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] 10.4.11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <14B5CE4E-B6D2-45AC-AD95-153DF1DB2A11@zen.co.uk> You say you have installed on a separate drive so I guess the stuff you want is on your other drive. If so use the Migration Assistant (in Applications/Utilities) and point at your old home folder. Steven Jefferson steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk On 17 Feb 2009, at 20:08, Brian Steere wrote: > I have no idea what you have actually done - but whenever I have > incrementally upgraded- none of these issues arise - so I guess you > have > either erased and installed or archive installed. > If the latter your old User folder and all of its contents are in the > Previous systems folder. Usually all the things you say are > maintained with > the upgrade unless you chose not to by not checking the option. > I don't know what you have upgraded from so cant answer your > questions about > changes. > Glad you have a way back to peace - it might be easier to revert by > the > sound of it! > > Good luck Martin. > > regards > Brian > > > Martin Fry said recently: > >> Hi all >> >> I have just updated my G4 to o/s 10.4.11. >> >> Very pleased that Corel draw still works as this is a major tool in >> creating my photo-leaflets. >> >> However I need to know where to find the following to import: >> >> my old address book info? >> >> my old email settings? >> >> for some reason I have to re-install photoshop >> Illustrator now does not have the type font palentino? >> >> >> Does upgrading change the look of the programs with differences & >> changes >> >> That will do for now >> >> I put 10.4.11 on a different drive so that if I get really pee'd off >> I can always go back to a peaceful life >> >> Martin >> _______________________________________________ >> NMUG mailing list >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com Tue Feb 17 21:44:42 2009 From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 21:44:42 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Blu Ray Externals In-Reply-To: <20090215120003.4CC7F80EAC4@mail.durrant.co.uk> References: <20090215120003.4CC7F80EAC4@mail.durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Has anyone got one of these? I'm interested to get first hand experience of these devices before splashing my hard earned dosh out on one. I see the specs are only 2X write which is terribly slow. I remember going for an early CD writer which only had this performance and shortly thereafter, to my chagrin, much faster devices appeared From brian at clearlight.uk.net Tue Feb 17 22:10:36 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:10:36 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Blu Ray Externals In-Reply-To: Message-ID: If they are available via Amazon then you'll likely find user experience there. These things have a bleeding edge for early adopters. If they become ubiquitous they become almost disposables - like DVD Writers. Sounds like a lot of folk like you have to splash out to make them available for folk like me ;-) As I was writing I was realizing that the economic crash is for sure going to seriously affect technology development - but I expect that's the least of our worries. all the best Brian stefan youngs said recently: > > > Has anyone got one of these? > > I'm interested to get first hand experience of these devices before > splashing my hard earned dosh out on one. > > I see the specs are only 2X write which is terribly slow. I remember > going for an early CD writer which only had this performance and > shortly thereafter, to my chagrin, much faster devices appeared > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From munkt0n at gmail.com Wed Feb 18 09:04:35 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 09:04:35 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Blu Ray Externals In-Reply-To: References: <20090215120003.4CC7F80EAC4@mail.durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: I didn't know you could buy writers already, blank disks must cost a fortune! bear in mind 2x blu-ray write speed is 72Mbps, 2x CD write speed is 300Kbps On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 9:44 PM, stefan youngs wrote: > > > Has anyone got one of these? > > I'm interested to get first hand experience of these devices before > splashing my hard earned dosh out on one. > > I see the specs are only 2X write which is terribly slow. I remember going > for an early CD writer which only had this performance and shortly > thereafter, to my chagrin, much faster devices appeared > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- :wq From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Wed Feb 18 11:08:19 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:08:19 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] 15" Screen Bezel Message-ID: Hi I am after a screen bezel for a 15" Titanium PowerBook. It is the thin frame that goes on the front of the screen. My 15" came with a smashed screen which I replaced but made a bit of a mess getting the front bezel off the old screen when removing it. While it went back on ok, it is a little bent and buckled. Let me know if anyone has one. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) From david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk Wed Feb 18 11:12:48 2009 From: david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk (David Reynolds) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:12:48 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] 15" Screen Bezel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <375992370902180312y6ed2575bv92b6005f7825a651@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/18 Simon Royal : > I am after a screen bezel for a 15" Titanium PowerBook. It is the thin frame that goes on the front of the screen. > > My 15" came with a smashed screen which I replaced but made a bit of a mess getting the front bezel off the old screen when removing it. While it went back on ok, it is a little bent and buckled. > > Let me know if anyone has one. Unless I'm imagining things, did you not already ask this Simon? -- David Reynolds david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk From lizbarnard at btinternet.com Wed Feb 18 12:11:56 2009 From: lizbarnard at btinternet.com (liz barnard) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:11:56 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Vanishing Entourage Message-ID: I cannot open this programme owing to an unspecified 'serious error'. I can still send and receive via 'Mail' but still need Entourage for other reasons, like my address book. What do I need to do to get it back? Liz Barnard From jeremyknight at mac.com Wed Feb 18 16:38:27 2009 From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:38:27 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] a little fatty Message-ID: <704AFFC7-8102-48BB-9A9B-B5036E9D3F69@mac.com> Evening All, I have a lacie 6gb external drive that must be getting to the end of its useful life yes i do regular backups. I have a samsung pendrive that works quite well,but is very slow especially on loading ( it doesn't hold any thumbprints) I seem to remember that I can get it to hold thumbprints if I change from fat 14 to fat 32 or the other way round Can members please recommend a pendrive of about 6gb which is speedy and also which format to use to hold the thumbprints please? jeremy From brian at clearlight.uk.net Wed Feb 18 18:16:44 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:16:44 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Vanishing Entourage In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Liz Hold the option key while double clicking the application Icon. This accesses certain commands that might restore functionality. Repair database being one of them. Also and possibly the preferences associated may be a culprit - yoou can temporarily move them and if no change swap them back with the new ones that get made on launch to revert. I don't know what you are on but there is facility to synch address book and email contacts built into my set up. Look in Preferences : sync services (if you can get it open) all the best Brian liz barnard said recently: > I cannot open this programme owing to an unspecified 'serious > error'. I can still send and receive via 'Mail' but still need > Entourage for other reasons, like my address book. > > What do I need to do to get it back? > > Liz Barnard > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Thu Feb 19 17:03:43 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:03:43 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Back To Work Message-ID: Hi. I have been out of work for a while and was looking at my options. I've spent the last 12 years as a business editor, graphic designer and journalist. I have single handedly produced 300 page directories from conception to print and written business articles published worldwide. My first choice would be to go back doing that, but to be honest it isn't that exciting. My other option, especially after moving out to Watton is to set up as a freelance Mac (and PC too) repairer and tech support. There doesn't seem to be much in the way of support in this neck of the woods especially for Macs as I have found out. Us Mac users tend to stick together and the support I have received locally and via various mailing groups has been phenomal. I have gathered a lot of contacts for parts and various services. A lot of members have their own businesses (just look at the NMUG website) and just wanted others views on both options, obviously email me direct if you wish. Regards Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) From jinshinjewels at googlemail.com Thu Feb 19 20:57:55 2009 From: jinshinjewels at googlemail.com (Jules Slaughter) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:57:55 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Back To Work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Simon As a 'member' of the NMUG who hasn't got a clue what you are all talking about, I dread the day my Mac doesn't work, so think it would be great to know there is someone out there who would help me. Good luck with whatever you decide. Jules On 2/19/09, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi. > > I have been out of work for a while and was looking at my options. I've spent the last 12 years as a business editor, graphic designer and journalist. > > I have single handedly produced 300 page directories from conception to print and written business articles published worldwide. > > My first choice would be to go back doing that, but to be honest it isn't that exciting. > > My other option, especially after moving out to Watton is to set up as a freelance Mac (and PC too) repairer and tech support. There doesn't seem to be much in the way of support in this neck of the woods especially for Macs as I have found out. > > Us Mac users tend to stick together and the support I have received locally and via various mailing groups has been phenomal. > > I have gathered a lot of contacts for parts and various services. > > A lot of members have their own businesses (just look at the NMUG website) and just wanted others views on both options, obviously email me direct if you wish. > > Regards > > Simon > > --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- Jules CalmClasses & Therapies to improve your health. My business works on referrals. If you like what I do, please tell others. If not, please tell me. From kelvinyoungs at mac.com Thu Feb 19 21:14:32 2009 From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:14:32 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Back To Work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0D3E3B56-5BBB-4E93-9C48-43A98A5B058D@mac.com> I agree. I will support you Simon - do it! If your crap - I will tell you and also the group and also not pay you, but, if you have the knowledge and confidence - do it mate. > Dear Simon > > As a 'member' of the NMUG who hasn't got a clue what you are all > talking about, I dread the day my Mac doesn't work, so think it would > be great to know there is someone out there who would help me. > > Good luck with whatever you decide. > > Jules > From kevin at sanderling.co.uk Thu Feb 19 21:15:52 2009 From: kevin at sanderling.co.uk (Kevin Allenby) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:15:52 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Back To Work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9c83344f0902191315u1a2791f0xd9691ec42c34abe9@mail.gmail.com> As a new Mac user, and still using PC's too, our local 'puter man' doesn't 'do' Macs, so I too would welcome knowing someone knowledgeable and local-ish is around to cater for both. Let us know if you do go down this route and send some cards as our clients often ask for recommendations for computer help. Cheers Kevin Allenby www.sanderling.co.uk 2009/2/19 Simon Royal > Hi. > > I have been out of work for a while and was looking at my options. I've > spent the last 12 years as a business editor, graphic designer and > journalist. > > I have single handedly produced 300 page directories from conception to > print and written business articles published worldwide. > > My first choice would be to go back doing that, but to be honest it isn't > that exciting. > > My other option, especially after moving out to Watton is to set up as a > freelance Mac (and PC too) repairer and tech support. There doesn't seem to > be much in the way of support in this neck of the woods especially for Macs > as I have found out. > > Us Mac users tend to stick together and the support I have received locally > and via various mailing groups has been phenomal. > > I have gathered a lot of contacts for parts and various services. > > A lot of members have their own businesses (just look at the NMUG website) > and just wanted others views on both options, obviously email me direct if > you wish. > > Regards > > Simon > > --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent using > Nokia E71) > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From paulharrowing at waitrose.com Thu Feb 19 21:18:23 2009 From: paulharrowing at waitrose.com (Paul Harrowing) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:18:23 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Back To Work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60052274-4E9F-4811-A621-C234BD640075@waitrose.com> If you're not all mouth and trousers when are you going to offer repair my iMac? :-) PAH From kelvinyoungs at mac.com Thu Feb 19 21:19:49 2009 From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:19:49 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Back To Work In-Reply-To: <60052274-4E9F-4811-A621-C234BD640075@waitrose.com> References: <60052274-4E9F-4811-A621-C234BD640075@waitrose.com> Message-ID: <986ACEFB-08E9-4DEF-8008-ED27072717E7@mac.com> Mine as well? Kelvin Ne auderis delere orbem rigidum meum. Don't you dare erase my hard disk. On 19 Feb 2009, at 21:18, Paul Harrowing wrote: > If you're not all mouth and trousers when are you going to offer > repair my iMac? :-) > > PAH > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paulharrowing at waitrose.com Thu Feb 19 21:19:51 2009 From: paulharrowing at waitrose.com (Paul Harrowing) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:19:51 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Back To Work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <85D3B2CD-4FBF-4709-B4B1-2E9950FB49EE@waitrose.com> I see I missed a "to" out of my last email. PAH From dan_tombs at hotmail.com Thu Feb 19 21:34:00 2009 From: dan_tombs at hotmail.com (Dan Tombs) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:34:00 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Back To Work In-Reply-To: <986ACEFB-08E9-4DEF-8008-ED27072717E7@mac.com> References: <60052274-4E9F-4811-A621-C234BD640075@waitrose.com> <986ACEFB-08E9-4DEF-8008-ED27072717E7@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Simon, Sounds like a good plan! something i would consider myself in the past, if your going to get setup on your own i would recommend taking one of the Apple certification courses if you haven't already. http://training.apple.com/certification/ My workplace put me through the Final Cut Certification, its pretty tough but it does mean you get to use the Apple logo on your cards website etc!! Looks good for clients, i think they even do a tech one for OS X support. All the Best Dan > From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com > To: nmug at durrant.co.uk > Subject: Re: [NMUG] Back To Work > Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 21:19:49 +0000 > > Mine as well? > > Kelvin > Ne auderis delere orbem rigidum meum. > Don't you dare erase my hard disk. > > On 19 Feb 2009, at 21:18, Paul Harrowing wrote: > > > If you're not all mouth and trousers when are you going to offer > > repair my iMac? :-) > > > > PAH > > _______________________________________________ > > NMUG mailing list > > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _________________________________________________________________ Discover Bird's Eye View now with Multimap from Live Search http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354026/direct/01/ From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Thu Feb 19 22:42:30 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 19 Feb 2009 22:42:30 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Back To Work In-Reply-To: <986ACEFB-08E9-4DEF-8008-ED27072717E7@mac.com> References: <986ACEFB-08E9-4DEF-8008-ED27072717E7@mac.com> Message-ID: Kelvin What's up with your Mac? I have been doing repairs and advice for free for years. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Feb 19 2009, Kelvin Youngs wrote: Mine as well? Kelvin Ne auderis delere orbem rigidum meum. Don't you dare erase my hard disk. On 19 Feb 2009, at 21:18, Paul Harrowing wrote: > If you're not all mouth and trousers when are you going to offer > repair my iMac? :-) > > PAH > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Thu Feb 19 23:04:01 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 19 Feb 2009 23:04:01 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] .PAX Message-ID: Hi I have a .pax archive (taken from the NetBoot9.dmg) which I am pressuming is password protected. However the Archive Utility that comes with OSX doesn't offer a place for user/pass input. Any ideas? The archive unpacks but the folder it creates says 'insufficient privileges' Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. From tomkershaw at mac.com Fri Feb 20 01:10:34 2009 From: tomkershaw at mac.com (Tom Kershaw) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 01:10:34 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Back To Work In-Reply-To: References: <986ACEFB-08E9-4DEF-8008-ED27072717E7@mac.com> Message-ID: <499E030A.4010106@mac.com> Simon, Are you thinking of marketing yourself as a consultation and tech support person or more towards the direction of hardware repair, re-installing system software etc.? Tom. Simon Royal wrote: > Kelvin > > What's up with your Mac? I have been doing repairs and advice for free > for years. > > Simon > > --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, > hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac > User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought > an Apple Mac. > > > On Feb 19 2009, Kelvin Youngs wrote: > > Mine as well? > > Kelvin > Ne auderis delere orbem rigidum meum. > Don't you dare erase my hard disk. > > On 19 Feb 2009, at 21:18, Paul Harrowing wrote: > >> If you're not all mouth and trousers when are you going to offer >> repair my iMac? :-) >> >> PAH >> _______________________________________________ >> NMUG mailing list >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From lizbarnard at btinternet.com Fri Feb 20 07:49:03 2009 From: lizbarnard at btinternet.com (liz barnard) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 07:49:03 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Back to work Message-ID: <76F3F263-EBBE-406B-91B9-5A888C694066@btinternet.com> Simon, I have used several Mac repair outfits over the years and they have been highly variable in the quality of their support. The best have been Mac City and Quartec. Quartec, in particular have been outstanding in speed of response (they had a flying service and came out to you) and they also offered an online service but they were expensive and have now gone to Newcastle. If you are mobile, efficiently set up on the business side, prompt in response, and could combine your Mac skills with web design advice I think you could do very well indeed. Go for it, Liz From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Fri Feb 20 12:17:23 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 20 Feb 2009 12:17:23 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Get OS 9.2.2. For Free Message-ID: Hi I have been struggling to get OS 9.2.2 on my PowerBook G4 as it required the full 9.2.2 to boot from. Thanks to some help from group members I managed to get it for free with a bit of fiddling. Here is full instructions as I followed and it worked - so I thought I would share it with you, just in case it is helpful for anyone else. http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/2009/02/get-os-922-for-free.html Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. From brian at clearlight.uk.net Fri Feb 20 12:59:51 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:59:51 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Back to work In-Reply-To: <76F3F263-EBBE-406B-91B9-5A888C694066@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Yes highly variable is a gooid way of saying it. I met someone who paid an extraordinary amount for simple but irrelevant procedures (defragging) with Mac City so I recommend getting a second opinion if in any doubt. This was a few years ago. And sometimes its as if some people have to come over as an expert in their presentation so that they cant just say - 'I don't know'. I still offer Mac Support in a small local way and my basis is that I have learned a lot that puts me in a position of relative expertise. A lot of people's problems are compounded by fear - technophobia. I have met lots of people who feel unable to ask for help or training because they feel ashamed of being seen in their digital illiteracy. In many ways that calls me more than the fixing of problems. I'd rather teach people how to fish than sell them fish. But its also true that the environment is always rapidly changing and I have only so much willingness to be forever retraining - but then the essential navigational literacy is the approach by which one can find a way with most systems. I'd never touched Windows in anything but the briefest encounters when I was called on to support despite my protestations and though slower - it was all the same principles - though a different mindset (the 'fault' was the security software!) As for earning money - well people are incredibly stubborn and will gladly squander a weekend overcoming a problem rather than pay someone ?20 - even though they are impossible to live with at the time and curse and frown and sigh in dogged pursuit. And there are others who simply work around and live with the most absurd procedures over years that are fixable in minutes. It is more in the business sector that there is actually willingness to pay money because business cant indulge itself nor ignore wasted productivity. But this is also a greater responsibility in the demands and expectations of the client and of course being perceived as failing or indeed causing failure! So if at all serious about making a living I feel to take the Apple Training is a wise move, but you'll then probably cost a lot more per hour. I feel that as long as one doesn't present oneself falsely then one can be in between the friend who knows a lot - and the technician who knows a lot. And then there is simply the chemistry - some people want a technician - period. They don't want any expansion of skills - any sense of relationship or capacity to communicate - just fix it. These people generally pay money to insulate themselves and that's fair enough. Others will actively distract and undermine your capacity for attending the issue they apparently want you to fix! Clients are as much a learning curve as computers! (Which is perhaps why many technical people don't acquire the arts of communication) Yet that is where the rewards are - being of service - and being part of. Life's rich tapestry! all the best Brian liz barnard said recently: > Simon, I have used several Mac repair outfits over the years and they > have been highly variable in the quality of their support. The best > have been Mac City and Quartec. Quartec, in particular have been > outstanding in speed of response (they had a flying service and came > out to you) and they also offered an online service but they were > expensive and have now gone to Newcastle. > > If you are mobile, efficiently set up on the business side, prompt in > response, and could combine your Mac skills with web design advice I > think you could do very well indeed. > > Go for it, > > Liz > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From dale at ukonline.co.uk Sat Feb 21 10:55:40 2009 From: dale at ukonline.co.uk (Dale Wright) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 10:55:40 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Back To Work In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 19/2/09 17:03, "Simon Royal" wrote: > My other option, especially after moving out to Watton is to set up as a > freelance Mac (and PC too) repairer and tech support. There doesn't seem to be > much in the way of support in this neck of the woods especially for Macs as I > have found out. The Windows side of PC will be the easy one, the Mac side will be harder for you IMHO! 1st you should go for this: http://store.apple.com/uk/product/MA714Z/A AppleCare Technician Training that will set you back ?205.00. And the many others that Apple do, like Dan Tombs mentioned. The hardest part with Mac gear is getting hold of the parts you need to replace & for testing with, as I've mentioned on here a few times now, not all Mac software tests etc will give you the full story. iMac's being the main one for this, I think there is now 3 members in this group with G5 iMac's that are failing to boot up, most under the impression it is the mother board. But has I've mentioned a few times now, I bet all 3 if not at least two of them will need a brand new Power supply put in, & then they will work 100%. Now if you what a test, find out the model of Power supply for the G5 iMac ALS 17 & 20 inch, & also the G5 iSight, now you need to find a way of testing these with a working power supply, 1st they are over a ?100.00 each, next trying to buy one, unless you are a Apple Authorized Service Provider or Reseller, you need a very good contact to buy the parts you need, unlike the PC side which is as easy as buying a bottle of milk! PC parts cheap & easy to get hold of, Mac parts hard to get hold of & expensive too. Do what to put you off, but I think you also will understand the difference between the Mac side & PC side of repairs etc, you would also need to have a full retail copy of the OS X from 10.2 to 10.5 at least, for testing etc, unless these are included with the diagnostic tools that come with the AppleCare Technician Training kit. A good understanding of the Terminal & unix will help also IMO. > Us Mac users tend to stick together and the support I have received locally > and via various mailing groups has been phenomal. I agree with this 100%. > I have gathered a lot of contacts for parts and various services. Well the above test will see if these contacts can get the parts you need :-) Good luck which ever way you go. ATB..Dale A CoCo the Clown Production. [ Spooky RIP 1988-2007 :-( ] From footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk Sat Feb 21 11:02:27 2009 From: footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk (joe butler) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 11:02:27 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [NMUG] G3 ibook problems Message-ID: <132650.31301.qm@web26708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi All ? I have just got my hand on an ibook 600MHz G3, Being a G3 ibook its not working! On start up i get the chimes, the HHD starts up but all I get on screen are 3 thick?horizontal Gray lines, dark grey at the top light grey at the bottom. Having never come across it before?I was wondering if anyone here had any ideas before it becomes a door stop. ? thanks ? Joe ? ? ? From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Sat Feb 21 11:37:26 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 21 Feb 2009 11:37:26 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Back To Work In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dale I do have a wealth of contacts - locally, nationally and worldwide - even for parts that are hard to source. My knowledge is a little deeper than most, knowing the quirks and common problems with most models - from G3 upwards. I've stripped just about every Mac down to small parts and rebuilt them, replacing or repairing just about anything - iBooks and PowerBooks being my specialty. I also have some interesting work around and an intuitive mind on how to perform tasks most people would stumble at. I spend most of my spare time digging into Apple products, history, repairs and just about anything that can help me in the future. I agree PCs are so much easier to repair and source parts - even PC laptops. I am not just a Mac person, Windows was my starting in the computer world. Part of my reason for leaving the Microsoft world as my main day-to-day life was it's unreliability and hardware problems. Being conversant in just about every version of Windows and Mac since 1995 helps a lot. The question is whether I could make a living out of it. I have been repairing machines for free for years - in opposition of high priced technical support and repair centres - but not I am thinking of joining the masses and charging for my services. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Feb 21 2009, Dale Wright wrote: On 19/2/09 17:03, "Simon Royal" wrote: > My other option, especially after moving out to Watton is to set up as a > freelance Mac (and PC too) repairer and tech support. There doesn't seem > to be much in the way of support in this neck of the woods especially for > Macs as I have found out. The Windows side of PC will be the easy one, the Mac side will be harder for you IMHO! 1st you should go for this: http://store.apple.com/uk/product/MA714Z/A AppleCare Technician Training that will set you back ?205.00. And the many others that Apple do, like Dan Tombs mentioned. The hardest part with Mac gear is getting hold of the parts you need to replace & for testing with, as I've mentioned on here a few times now, not all Mac software tests etc will give you the full story. iMac's being the main one for this, I think there is now 3 members in this group with G5 iMac's that are failing to boot up, most under the impression it is the mother board. But has I've mentioned a few times now, I bet all 3 if not at least two of them will need a brand new Power supply put in, & then they will work 100%. Now if you what a test, find out the model of Power supply for the G5 iMac ALS 17 & 20 inch, & also the G5 iSight, now you need to find a way of testing these with a working power supply, 1st they are over a ?100.00 each, next trying to buy one, unless you are a Apple Authorized Service Provider or Reseller, you need a very good contact to buy the parts you need, unlike the PC side which is as easy as buying a bottle of milk! PC parts cheap & easy to get hold of, Mac parts hard to get hold of & expensive too. Do what to put you off, but I think you also will understand the difference between the Mac side & PC side of repairs etc, you would also need to have a full retail copy of the OS X from 10.2 to 10.5 at least, for testing etc, unless these are included with the diagnostic tools that come with the AppleCare Technician Training kit. A good understanding of the Terminal & unix will help also IMO. > Us Mac users tend to stick together and the support I have received > locally and via various mailing groups has been phenomal. I agree with this 100%. > I have gathered a lot of contacts for parts and various services. Well the above test will see if these contacts can get the parts you need :-) Good luck which ever way you go. ATB..Dale A CoCo the Clown Production. [ Spooky RIP 1988-2007 :-( ] _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Sat Feb 21 13:04:19 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 13:04:19 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] G3 ibook problems Message-ID: Joe. Does the screen come on at all. Try moving the display back and forward, pushing it right back. If nothing then it could be the display. Try hooking it to a monitor and see if you get a picture. If not try Target Disk Mode and see if there is anything on the hard drive. When it boots do you hear any hard drive noise, like it sounds like it is booting. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: [NMUG] G3 ibook problems From: joe butler Date: 21/02/2009 11:02 Hi All I have just got my hand on an ibook 600MHz G3, Being a G3 ibook its not working! On start up i get the chimes, the HHD starts up but all I get on screen are 3 thick horizontal Gray lines, dark grey at the top light grey at the bottom. Having never come across it before I was wondering if anyone here had any ideas before it becomes a door stop. thanks Joe _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From brian at clearlight.uk.net Sat Feb 21 13:53:08 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 13:53:08 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Back To Work In-Reply-To: Message-ID: You don't get as many clients ;-) I feel that the question is whether that is what you want to devote yourself to rather than just justifying everything in terms of money. And of course if you have responsibilities of family you want - presumably to be devoted to their well being. Being self employed can and often does take a lot more of your time and mind than clocking on and off for someone else. To actually make a go of something it takes a full commitment - in my opinion. Alternatively you can have another day job and let support be something extra that may or may not grow as a significant support to your own livelihood. In the main - professional people charge what they do because that is the amount that allows them to actually remain viably in business relative to all the costs involved. I know there are occasions when poor advice - unnecessary procedures or overcharging seems to occur - but I wouldn't feel to tar all employees or firms with one brush. And another thing - as soon as you make a charge - you have an altogether different relationship in that some clients can be quick to distrust or blame or contest issues. Being in business is far more than being capable of performing the service or product available - which may be why most technicians are employed. So I think it is a matter of discerning what you want to do - in the most profound sense of honest desire. Finding what we want is finding what the direction of our life is an aligning with it - rather than going against the grain. (A bit like the ideas on a permaculture program last night!) all the best Brian Simon Royal said recently: > The question is whether I could make a living out of it. I have been > repairing machines for free for years - in opposition of high priced > technical support and repair centres - but not I am thinking of joining the > masses and charging for my services. > > Simon From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Sat Feb 21 14:22:59 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 14:22:59 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Back To Work Message-ID: Brian I would love to do it all day and make lots of money doing it. However, I have spent the last 15 years or so fixing peoples PC/Mac problems however small or large out of the kindness of my own heart for a number of reasons. 1. Even the smallest procedure can cost you a fortune by a 'professional', which I have disagreed with for so long. 2. Computers are an essential and should not be just for the knowledgeable. Being without a computer for any short amount of time can be both irritating and inconvenient. 3. My love of computers. The love of taking things apart and the joy of having a working result. (Why else would I have spent 3 months trying to get a G4 Cube working). 4. The feeling of being relied upon as tech support and being reliable. The essence is, I don't think I could charge people for a five minute fix. Physically the 'caring computer guy' would kick in, which is not good when you are trying to make a living. Your suggestion of doing it as a sideline is good, but I am still stuck for a 9 to 5. Graphic design/journalism jobs are extremely hard to find - and I'm not even sure I want to do that any more. I did it for so long because it was a stable job from a stable employer, well within my capabilties. Graphic design/journalism and computer fixing/support are the only two things I am good at. My other option is shop work... Oh joy. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: Re: [NMUG] Back To Work From: Brian Steere Date: 21/02/2009 13:53 You don't get as many clients ;-) I feel that the question is whether that is what you want to devote yourself to rather than just justifying everything in terms of money. And of course if you have responsibilities of family you want - presumably to be devoted to their well being. Being self employed can and often does take a lot more of your time and mind than clocking on and off for someone else. To actually make a go of something it takes a full commitment - in my opinion. Alternatively you can have another day job and let support be something extra that may or may not grow as a significant support to your own livelihood. In the main - professional people charge what they do because that is the amount that allows them to actually remain viably in business relative to all the costs involved. I know there are occasions when poor advice - unnecessary procedures or overcharging seems to occur - but I wouldn't feel to tar all employees or firms with one brush. And another thing - as soon as you make a charge - you have an altogether different relationship in that some clients can be quick to distrust or blame or contest issues. Being in business is far more than being capable of performing the service or product available - which may be why most technicians are employed. So I think it is a matter of discerning what you want to do - in the most profound sense of honest desire. Finding what we want is finding what the direction of our life is an aligning with it - rather than going against the grain. (A bit like the ideas on a permaculture program last night!) all the best Brian Simon Royal said recently: > The question is whether I could make a living out of it. I have been > repairing machines for free for years - in opposition of high priced > technical support and repair centres - but not I am thinking of joining the > masses and charging for my services. > > Simon _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Sat Feb 21 15:04:59 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 21 Feb 2009 15:04:59 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Google Adsense Message-ID: Hi Does anyone use the Google Adsense service. I am trying to get more publicity and traffic to my site as well as building a revenue source - and one of the options is Google Adsense. I have read through the agreements but boy is it complicated. I thought it was merely, you sign up, the designate some unique HTML/Java code to pop in your website, you drop it in where you like, people click on the ads, you get a small revenue. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Sat Feb 21 15:07:47 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 21 Feb 2009 15:07:47 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Google G1 Message-ID: Hi Does anyone have or used properly a Google G1 phone. Was looking at it and it looks pretty good, has some better features and specs than the iPhone and is a hell of a lot cheaper. Just wanted some others opinions on it. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. From karl.hortt at btinternet.com Sat Feb 21 17:32:21 2009 From: karl.hortt at btinternet.com (Karl Hortt) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:32:21 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] itunes importing problems Message-ID: Hi All, Help !!! I unsubscribed this morning, getting ready for my trip to new Zealand and have just singed up again over the last few weeks, I have downloaded about 300 programs from Iplayer Igrabber this afternoon i tried to import them to my ipod it has all gone wrong !!! it will import, but calls every track BBC7 or BBC4 it has lost all the program information, I still have the original files has anyone any ideas, how to import the mp3's and retain their information ?? I am really miffed that I didnt try doing this before !!! I leave in a couple of days I hope someone in NMUG can come to the rescue regards Karl From footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk Sat Feb 21 18:12:28 2009 From: footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk (joe butler) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:12:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [NMUG] Google Adsense In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <198475.19693.qm@web26705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> thats how it works! Its very hard to make more than a few ?? from it though Cheap and Free mobile phones http://www.nimrod.2u.co.uk ? Iphone and Ipod Insurance http://nimrod.2u.co.uk/insurance ? Get your own FREE mobile phones sales website http://nimrod.2uaffiliates.com/join/ ? ? ? ? --- On Sat, 21/2/09, Simon Royal wrote: From: Simon Royal Subject: [NMUG] Google Adsense To: nmug at durrant.co.uk Date: Saturday, 21 February, 2009, 3:04 PM Hi Does anyone use the Google Adsense service. I am trying to get more publicity and traffic to my site as well as building a revenue source - and one of the options is Google Adsense. I have read through the agreements but boy is it complicated. I thought it was merely, you sign up, the designate some unique HTML/Java code to pop in your website, you drop it in where you like, people click on the ads, you get a small revenue. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Sat Feb 21 19:44:59 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 21 Feb 2009 19:44:59 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Banner Message-ID: Hi I have been tweaking my website over the last few days - the main reason was to slim out some of the code from the pages, but to also allow advertising banners. A new section top left now takes banners - with some future plans to use AdSense, AdBrite, Cliksor or something similar at the bottom of the pages. A mate of mine is a dab hand with flash and knocked me up a couple of banners - one for the NMUG, thought you might like to take a look. http://www.simonroyal.co.uk Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. From brian at clearlight.uk.net Sat Feb 21 20:03:22 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 20:03:22 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] itunes importing problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hope someone else knows more but are these just mp3 podcasts? Itunes treats podcasts differently from other mp3s. I don't know if you can just change them to not be identified as podcasts in their info - if not I'd google this as it must affect a lot of others and workarounds must be available. Good luck with it. regards Brian Karl Hortt said recently: > > Hi All, > > Help !!! > > I unsubscribed this morning, getting ready for my trip to new Zealand > > and have just singed up again > > > over the last few weeks, I have downloaded about 300 programs from > Iplayer Igrabber > > this afternoon i tried to import them to my ipod > > it has all gone wrong !!! > > it will import, but calls every track BBC7 or BBC4 > > it has lost all the program information, I still have the original files > > has anyone any ideas, how to import the mp3's and retain their > information ?? > > I am really miffed that I didnt try doing this before !!! > > > I leave in a couple of days > > > I hope someone in NMUG can come to the rescue > > > regards > > > Karl > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From brian at clearlight.uk.net Sat Feb 21 20:08:27 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 20:08:27 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Google Adsense In-Reply-To: <198475.19693.qm@web26705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Loads of pointless and useless sites made only to get their adwords viewed. I suppose its better than flashing jumping banners. But if one wants to attract relevant traffic then isn't that paying Google for search terms so that your site comes up on the right - or if you are top 'bidder' on the top. regards Brian joe butler said recently: > thats how it works! Its very hard to make more than a few ?? from it though > > > Cheap and Free mobile phones > http://www.nimrod.2u.co.uk > ? > Iphone and Ipod Insurance > http://nimrod.2u.co.uk/insurance > ? > Get your own FREE mobile phones sales website > http://nimrod.2uaffiliates.com/join/ > ? > ? > ? > ? > > --- On Sat, 21/2/09, Simon Royal wrote: > > From: Simon Royal > Subject: [NMUG] Google Adsense > To: nmug at durrant.co.uk > Date: Saturday, 21 February, 2009, 3:04 PM > > Hi > > Does anyone use the Google Adsense service. I am trying to get more publicity > and traffic to my site as well as building a revenue source - and one of the > options is Google Adsense. > > I have read through the agreements but boy is it complicated. > > I thought it was merely, you sign up, the designate some unique HTML/Java code > to pop in your website, you drop it in where you like, people click on the > ads, > you get a small revenue. > > Simon > > --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks > and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - > The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From penguin.999 at virgin.net Sat Feb 21 20:26:44 2009 From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 20:26:44 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] February meeting - new venue again Message-ID: <00D01414-39E6-47B3-B5CD-9819AA5DD983@virgin.net> The next meeting will be on the 25th February 2009 that being the fourth Wednesday of the month. It will be held at The Quebec in a separate room from the bar (I have been told) and will be from 7.30. Quebec 93-97 Quebec Road Norwich NR1 4HY Here is a link to a map showing that it's not that far from the previous two venues. I look forward to seeing you all there. Pip pip Paul C From brian at clearlight.uk.net Sat Feb 21 23:59:44 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:59:44 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Back To Work In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I feel in sympathy with your sentiment Simon. I am sure there are times when someone in between the tech Pro and the willing friend is a perfect fit. There art many who are unable or afraid to deal with some of the most basic software or simple hardware issues. It can be a sad thing to find what they are sometimes charged when it is something we could do at half the price or less. I expect that the Pro Shops have certain ongoing financial realities that make them set a line and hold it. (I know my son was offered a discounted repair deal by one local firm when he couldn't afford the proposed costing). If it takes time they need to charge and they might have a minimum charge to protect themselves from timewasters. I don't mean that unkindly but they often cant afford to get too easily or often involved at a level that takes their time and attention. And yes social literacy has extended beyond words and numbers these days. They tend to teach computing in terms of work - rather than a creative relationship with the whole way of it. There ought to be room there for 'digital lifestyle' approach rather than Word and spreadsheets etc. But to make it viable costs a lot for tuition unless you can set up a classroom with a few Macs. You are obviously very interested in computers and computing and Macs - so I see that you would like to be able to use it as part of making a living too. If anything I see less money being available for lower priority services than before - and that could play in favour of a cheaper service - if it can gain and maintain a reputation. But the other side of the economic bubble bursting is that we might soon have to muck in and help each other out in all sorts of ways and for little financial return. All the best with whatever you find. Brian Simon Royal said recently: > Brian > > I would love to do it all day and make lots of money doing it. However, I have > spent the last 15 years or so fixing peoples PC/Mac problems however small or > large out of the kindness of my own heart for a number of reasons. > > 1. Even the smallest procedure can cost you a fortune by a 'professional', > which I have disagreed with for so long. > > 2. Computers are an essential and should not be just for the knowledgeable. > Being without a computer for any short amount of time can be both irritating > and inconvenient. > > 3. My love of computers. The love of taking things apart and the joy of having > a working result. (Why else would I have spent 3 months trying to get a G4 > Cube working). > > 4. The feeling of being relied upon as tech support and being reliable. > > The essence is, I don't think I could charge people for a five minute fix. > Physically the 'caring computer guy' would kick in, which is not good when you > are trying to make a living. > > Your suggestion of doing it as a sideline is good, but I am still stuck for a > 9 to 5. > > Graphic design/journalism jobs are extremely hard to find - and I'm not even > sure I want to do that any more. I did it for so long because it was a stable > job from a stable employer, well within my capabilties. > > Graphic design/journalism and computer fixing/support are the only two things > I am good at. > > My other option is shop work... Oh joy. > > Simon > > --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia > E71) > > -original message- > Subject: Re: [NMUG] Back To Work > From: Brian Steere > Date: 21/02/2009 13:53 > > You don't get as many clients ;-) > > I feel that the question is whether that is what you want to devote yourself > to rather than just justifying everything in terms of money. And of course > if you have responsibilities of family you want - presumably to be devoted > to their well being. > > Being self employed can and often does take a lot more of your time and mind > than clocking on and off for someone else. > > To actually make a go of something it takes a full commitment - in my > opinion. Alternatively you can have another day job and let support be > something extra that may or may not grow as a significant support to your > own livelihood. > > In the main - professional people charge what they do because that is the > amount that allows them to actually remain viably in business relative to > all the costs involved. I know there are occasions when poor advice - > unnecessary procedures or overcharging seems to occur - but I wouldn't feel > to tar all employees or firms with one brush. > > And another thing - as soon as you make a charge - you have an altogether > different relationship in that some clients can be quick to distrust or > blame or contest issues. Being in business is far more than being capable of > performing the service or product available - which may be why most > technicians are employed. > > So I think it is a matter of discerning what you want to do - in the most > profound sense of honest desire. Finding what we want is finding what the > direction of our life is an aligning with it - rather than going against the > grain. > > (A bit like the ideas on a permaculture program last night!) > > > all the best > Brian > Simon Royal said recently: > >> The question is whether I could make a living out of it. I have been >> repairing machines for free for years - in opposition of high priced >> technical support and repair centres - but not I am thinking of joining the >> masses and charging for my services. >> >> Simon > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Sun Feb 22 09:02:21 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 09:02:21 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] ADSL Upstream Speeds Message-ID: My home connection is with f2s, who have the LLU unbundled at Norwich Central exchange, and I normally enjoy an upstream speed of over 700Kbps. I've recently set up a second ADSL line at our main office with Zen, who use BT IPStream Max, and although the downstream is very good considering it's in the middle of nowhere, the best upstream so far is around 300. Whilst this is generally quite adequate for the purposes of those using it, just for curiosity, can any one confirm that this is as good as we can expect with an ISP using the BT product? Robbie From bazz.jones at ntlworld.com Sun Feb 22 09:40:25 2009 From: bazz.jones at ntlworld.com (bazz.jones at ntlworld.com) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 9:40:25 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iBook keyboard In-Reply-To: <8CA5894B-23F5-4962-85AA-9E1EC3B129BD@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090222094025.HH3XN.588838.root@web03-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com> Hi, Could you please delete me from the mailing list - Sorry for requestign this way but I have forgotten log in etc Many Thanks Bazz Jones ---- Paul Durrant wrote: > The white iBook the keyboard is a simple replacement, but there are > several different versions - you must get one that's right for your > iBook, as the cable is slightly different over the years. > > The MacBook keyboard replacement is a lot more complex. > > Paul > > On 10 Feb 2009, at 13:56, David Van Edwards wrote: > > > Is the keyboard replaceable in a white iBook? > > > > Is it easy? The "u" key is playing up and either not working or > > repeats the letter endlessly. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > David > > -- > > The Smokehouse, > > 6 Whitwell Road, > > Norwich, NR1 4HB > > England. > > > > Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 > > Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NMUG mailing list > > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From bazz.jones at ntlworld.com Sun Feb 22 09:41:08 2009 From: bazz.jones at ntlworld.com (bazz.jones at ntlworld.com) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 9:41:08 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iBook keyboard Message-ID: <20090222094108.42GY2.588853.root@web03-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com> Hi, Could you please delete me from the mailing list - Sorry for requestign this way but I have forgotten log in etc Many Thanks Bazz Jones ---- Paul Durrant wrote: > The white iBook the keyboard is a simple replacement, but there are > several different versions - you must get one that's right for your > iBook, as the cable is slightly different over the years. > > The MacBook keyboard replacement is a lot more complex. > > Paul > > On 10 Feb 2009, at 13:56, David Van Edwards wrote: > > > Is the keyboard replaceable in a white iBook? > > > > Is it easy? The "u" key is playing up and either not working or > > repeats the letter endlessly. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > David > > -- > > The Smokehouse, > > 6 Whitwell Road, > > Norwich, NR1 4HB > > England. > > > > Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 > > Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NMUG mailing list > > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk Sun Feb 22 18:41:00 2009 From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:41:00 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Losing Mail Message-ID: My iTouch was getting flooded with mail, even that that had been emptied from Trash on the main computer (imac). So I changed from POP to imap and it stopped. However all the received and sent mail in the computer that had not been filed, e.g. had been left in the in box, has disappeared. That which did find its way to the ITouch I dileleted there as I did no want to clutter up that machine and did not know it had gone from the iMac. Can I use pop on the iMac and imap on the itouch> Would not have thought so but maybe I can? Welcome help. please. Anthony From paul at durrant.co.uk Sun Feb 22 19:52:08 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:52:08 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Losing Mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0B20EF75-5B82-43BC-B386-A8ADB0752A71@durrant.co.uk> You can't really use POP3 on one and iMAP on the other. IMAP's inbox only shows you what email is on the server (& it's also stored locally) To get your old emails back, you'll need to restore a back-up of your mail folder (~/Library/Mail) and import from that into your current Mail - all your old mail will then be stored in a local-only folder, and will be easily accessible. Paul On 22 Feb 2009, at 18:41, Anthony Brahams wrote: > My iTouch was getting flooded with mail, even that that had been > emptied from Trash on the main computer (imac). So I changed from > POP to imap and it stopped. However all the received and sent mail > in the computer that had not been filed, e.g. had been left in the > in box, has disappeared. That which did find its way to the ITouch I > dileleted there as I did no want to clutter up that machine and did > not know it had gone from the iMac. > > Can I use pop on the iMac and imap on the itouch> Would not have > thought so but maybe I can? > > Welcome help. please. > > Anthony > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From kevin at sanderling.co.uk Sun Feb 22 20:06:04 2009 From: kevin at sanderling.co.uk (Kevin Allenby) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 20:06:04 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Google Adsense In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9c83344f0902221206n2efe7406y433c03194c088048@mail.gmail.com> Simon I tried it for a while on my Birds Of Britain (www.birdsofbritain.co.uk) website which is quite a big site (400 pages?) comes up very highly in search engines and gets in excess of 80,000 unique visitors a month. I put the code on just the top three visited pages to try it (and it is as easy as you suggest to set-up), and made about $100 a month for three months - if I'd put the code on all the pages, the amount would clearly have been higher. But, I've never been a fan of the ads (as Brian says, lots if scammy sites use them) and as we earn most of our income from the site from its accommodation directory and more conventional ads, I decided to stop the Google Adsense completely - I feel much happier with the site that way. You can make money, but you need to have a huge number of visitors to make it worthwhile. Cheers Kevin Allenby 2009/2/21 Simon Royal > Hi > > Does anyone use the Google Adsense service. I am trying to get more > publicity and traffic to my site as well as building a revenue source - and > one of the options is Google Adsense. > > I have read through the agreements but boy is it complicated. > > I thought it was merely, you sign up, the designate some unique HTML/Java > code to pop in your website, you drop it in where you like, people click on > the ads, you get a small revenue. > > Simon > > --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, > hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac > User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an > Apple Mac. > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk Sun Feb 22 21:25:44 2009 From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:25:44 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Losing Mail In-Reply-To: <0B20EF75-5B82-43BC-B386-A8ADB0752A71@durrant.co.uk> References: <0B20EF75-5B82-43BC-B386-A8ADB0752A71@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <7BA04C3E-4267-4EAB-8230-D7532551DFFD@themagic.me.uk> Thanks very much. Could I use TimeMachine if simpler? Anthony On 22 Feb 2009, at 19:52, Paul Durrant wrote: > You can't really use POP3 on one and iMAP on the other. > > IMAP's inbox only shows you what email is on the server (& it's also > stored locally) > > To get your old emails back, you'll need to restore a back-up of > your mail folder (~/Library/Mail) and import from that into your > current Mail - all your old > mail will then be stored in a local-only folder, and will be easily > accessible. > > Paul > > > > On 22 Feb 2009, at 18:41, Anthony Brahams wrote: > >> My iTouch was getting flooded with mail, even that that had been >> emptied from Trash on the main computer (imac). So I changed from >> POP to imap and it stopped. However all the received and sent mail >> in the computer that had not been filed, e.g. had been left in the >> in box, has disappeared. That which did find its way to the ITouch >> I dileleted there as I did no want to clutter up that machine and >> did not know it had gone from the iMac. >> >> Can I use pop on the iMac and imap on the itouch> Would not have >> thought so but maybe I can? >> >> Welcome help. please. >> >> Anthony >> _______________________________________________ >> NMUG mailing list >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Sun Feb 22 22:23:09 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 22:23:09 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Losing Mail In-Reply-To: <7BA04C3E-4267-4EAB-8230-D7532551DFFD@themagic.me.uk> References: <0B20EF75-5B82-43BC-B386-A8ADB0752A71@durrant.co.uk> <7BA04C3E-4267-4EAB-8230-D7532551DFFD@themagic.me.uk> Message-ID: Umm... yes, Time Machine is an excellent way to restore a back-up of your Mail folder. But don't replace your current folder - when asked, put the restored folder in a different location, and then import from there into Mail. Paul On 22 Feb 2009, at 21:25, Anthony Brahams wrote: > Thanks very much. Could I use TimeMachine if simpler? > > Anthony > > > On 22 Feb 2009, at 19:52, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> You can't really use POP3 on one and iMAP on the other. >> >> IMAP's inbox only shows you what email is on the server (& it's >> also stored locally) >> >> To get your old emails back, you'll need to restore a back-up of >> your mail folder (~/Library/Mail) and import from that into your >> current Mail - all your old >> mail will then be stored in a local-only folder, and will be easily >> accessible. >> >> Paul >> >> >> >> On 22 Feb 2009, at 18:41, Anthony Brahams wrote: >> >>> My iTouch was getting flooded with mail, even that that had been >>> emptied from Trash on the main computer (imac). So I changed from >>> POP to imap and it stopped. However all the received and sent mail >>> in the computer that had not been filed, e.g. had been left in the >>> in box, has disappeared. That which did find its way to the ITouch >>> I dileleted there as I did no want to clutter up that machine and >>> did not know it had gone from the iMac. >>> >>> Can I use pop on the iMac and imap on the itouch> Would not have >>> thought so but maybe I can? >>> >>> Welcome help. please. >>> >>> Anthony >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NMUG mailing list >>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NMUG mailing list >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From brian at clearlight.uk.net Mon Feb 23 11:01:13 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:01:13 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Google Adsense In-Reply-To: <9c83344f0902221206n2efe7406y433c03194c088048@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: A wonderful site! http://www.birdsofbritain.co.uk Thanks Kevin. We see a lot of birds and though not twitchers - we delight in experiencing nature in all sorts of ways. all the best Brian Kevin Allenby said recently: > I tried it for a while on my Birds Of Britain (www.birdsofbritain.co.uk) From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Mon Feb 23 11:17:39 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 23 Feb 2009 11:17:39 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Google Adsense In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kevin An excellent website. Would you like it added to the NMUG website. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Feb 23 2009, Brian Steere wrote: A wonderful site! http://www.birdsofbritain.co.uk Thanks Kevin. We see a lot of birds and though not twitchers - we delight in experiencing nature in all sorts of ways. all the best Brian Kevin Allenby said recently: > I tried it for a while on my Birds Of Britain (www.birdsofbritain.co.uk) _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Mon Feb 23 11:26:40 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 23 Feb 2009 11:26:40 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Members Websites Message-ID: Hi I have noticed a few new names on the list recently and wanted to remind members that the NMUG website has a place for promoting members services and websites. Check it out http://www.nmug.org.uk and let me know if you would like to be added. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com Mon Feb 23 11:37:46 2009 From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 11:37:46 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Members Websites In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Simon Please will you add www.ruthmurray.net Graphic Design and Illustration Many thanks Ruth On 23 Feb 2009, at 11:26, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi > > I have noticed a few new names on the list recently and wanted to > remind members that the NMUG website has a place for promoting > members services and websites. > > Check it out http://www.nmug.org.uk and let me know if you would > like to be added. > > Simon > > --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, > upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster > for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or > better, so I bought an Apple Mac. > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Ruth Murray ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com Ruth Murray Graphic Design and Illustration 01603 632334 Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com Mon Feb 23 12:20:03 2009 From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:20:03 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Using IMAP & POP In-Reply-To: <20090223120004.17DDC8199BA@mail.durrant.co.uk> References: <20090223120004.17DDC8199BA@mail.durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: >>> Someone asked if they can use IMAP on their washing machine and POP on the Hoover - or something like that. The good news is you can. Just get your main mailserver to autoforward all mail to another mailserver. Set the washing machine to POP and point it at Mailserver 1. Set the Hoover to IMAP and send it off to Mailserver 2 From david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk Mon Feb 23 12:21:47 2009 From: david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk (David Reynolds) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:21:47 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Using IMAP & POP In-Reply-To: References: <20090223120004.17DDC8199BA@mail.durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <375992370902230421p3f051f94l2981edd0a58eec33@mail.gmail.com> 2009/2/23 stefan youngs : > Someone asked if they can use IMAP on their washing machine and POP on the > Hoover - or something like that. The good news is you can. > > Just get your main mailserver to autoforward all mail to another mailserver. > Set the washing machine to POP and point it at Mailserver 1. Set the Hoover > to IMAP and send it off to Mailserver 2 What does this mean? -- David Reynolds david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Mon Feb 23 12:21:54 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 23 Feb 2009 12:21:54 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] David, Ruth & Kevin Message-ID: Hi I have added your sites to the NMUG site. Check it out. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. From david.tillyer at googlemail.com Mon Feb 23 12:25:00 2009 From: david.tillyer at googlemail.com (David Tillyer) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 12:25:00 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] David, Ruth & Kevin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Simon. 2009/2/23 Simon Royal > Hi > > I have added your sites to the NMUG site. Check it out. > > Simon > > --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, > hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac > User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an > Apple Mac. > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- David Tillyer Photography http://www.davidthephotographer.co.uk http://davidthephotographer.blogspot.com/ From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com Mon Feb 23 13:26:54 2009 From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 13:26:54 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] David, Ruth & Kevin In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Simon for the pretty bits and the description too! Ruth On 23 Feb 2009, at 12:21, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi > > I have added your sites to the NMUG site. Check it out. > > Simon > > --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, > upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster > for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or > better, so I bought an Apple Mac. > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > Ruth Murray ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com Ruth Murray Graphic Design and Illustration 01603 632334 Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk Mon Feb 23 22:23:12 2009 From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:23:12 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Family Tree Software Message-ID: <142A68D9-E8B0-4ACE-AA95-DA197C45DED3@mendelsohn.me.uk> Thanks Angie and David for your recommendation about Reunion. Regards, Ed and Phyll From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Mon Feb 23 23:52:06 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:52:06 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Finder Message-ID: <31607e6f8b77b8cff155774a5a6575a7@virgin.net> Can anyone tell me why its, taking me 'forever' to copy just 44 mb of pictures from one folder to another. These are small website pictures ( 420 no. x 115 pixels) going from external drive 5 to ext drive 6. All I get is the whirring ball. and maybe half an hour later the window has gone, not always having copied across. Regards Martin www.martinfryphotography.com From tomkershaw at mac.com Tue Feb 24 00:46:21 2009 From: tomkershaw at mac.com (Tom Kershaw) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:46:21 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Finder In-Reply-To: <31607e6f8b77b8cff155774a5a6575a7@virgin.net> References: <31607e6f8b77b8cff155774a5a6575a7@virgin.net> Message-ID: <49A3435D.7050600@mac.com> Martin, Computer, amount of RAM, free hard disk space? Tom. Martin Fry wrote: > Can anyone tell me why its, taking me 'forever' to copy just 44 mb of > pictures from one folder to another. > > These are small website pictures ( 420 no. x 115 pixels) going from > external drive 5 to ext drive 6. > > All I get is the whirring ball. and maybe half an hour later the > window has gone, not always having copied across. > > Regards > > Martin > www.martinfryphotography.com > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Tue Feb 24 08:09:32 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 08:09:32 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Finder In-Reply-To: <31607e6f8b77b8cff155774a5a6575a7@virgin.net> References: <31607e6f8b77b8cff155774a5a6575a7@virgin.net> Message-ID: <6CD797F6-C777-4568-BFF5-31C1DBEDA17A@durrant.co.uk> No idea. What happens if you try to copy them to a different disk? What happens if you use something like SuperDuper! instead of the Finder? Paul On 23 Feb 2009, at 23:52, Martin Fry wrote: > Can anyone tell me why its, taking me 'forever' to copy just 44 mb > of pictures from one folder to another. > > These are small website pictures ( 420 no. x 115 pixels) going from > external drive 5 to ext drive 6. > > All I get is the whirring ball. and maybe half an hour later the > window has gone, not always having copied across. From alan at asw6000.plus.com Tue Feb 24 08:25:35 2009 From: alan at asw6000.plus.com (Alan Williams) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 08:25:35 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] re sound effects Message-ID: I seem to have lost all sound effects & when I go to this under System Preferences all sections are grayed out . Help please. Alan Williams alan at asw6000.plus.com From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Tue Feb 24 08:49:27 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 08:49:27 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Finder In-Reply-To: <49A3435D.7050600@mac.com> References: <31607e6f8b77b8cff155774a5a6575a7@virgin.net> <49A3435D.7050600@mac.com> Message-ID: <006d5a0811beb59bde52d2cc8085ee34@virgin.net> hi Tom 1.25 Ghz G4 on O/S 10.3.9 on 80 gig H/D-1 with 25 gig free. 1.5 GB Ram Martin www.martinfryphotography.com > Computer, amount of RAM, free hard disk space? > >> Can anyone tell me why its, taking me 'forever' to copy just 44 mb >> of pictures from one folder to another. >> These are small website pictures ( 420 no. x 115 pixels) going from >> external drive 5 to ext drive 6. >> All I get is the whirring ball. and maybe half an hour later the >> window has gone, not always having copied across. >> Regards >> Martin >> www.martinfryphotography.com From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Tue Feb 24 08:50:48 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 08:50:48 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Finder In-Reply-To: <6CD797F6-C777-4568-BFF5-31C1DBEDA17A@durrant.co.uk> References: <31607e6f8b77b8cff155774a5a6575a7@virgin.net> <6CD797F6-C777-4568-BFF5-31C1DBEDA17A@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <889e6c715785843d7b712a515b64ab10@virgin.net> Hi Paul Same with copying to any disk, do not have Superdouper! > No idea. What happens if you try to copy them to a different disk? > What happens if you use something like SuperDuper! instead of the > Finder? > > Paul > > On 23 Feb 2009, at 23:52, Martin Fry wrote: > >> Can anyone tell me why its, taking me 'forever' to copy just 44 mb >> of pictures from one folder to another. >> >> These are small website pictures ( 420 no. x 115 pixels) going from >> external drive 5 to ext drive 6. >> >> All I get is the whirring ball. and maybe half an hour later the >> window has gone, not always having copied across. www.martinfryphotography.com From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Tue Feb 24 08:57:36 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 08:57:36 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] re sound effects Message-ID: Alan Double check your output device in your Sound preference pane. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: [NMUG] re sound effects From: Alan Williams Date: 24/02/2009 08:25 I seem to have lost all sound effects & when I go to this under System Preferences all sections are grayed out . Help please. Alan Williams alan at asw6000.plus.com _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Tue Feb 24 09:15:25 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 09:15:25 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Finder In-Reply-To: <889e6c715785843d7b712a515b64ab10@virgin.net> References: <31607e6f8b77b8cff155774a5a6575a7@virgin.net> <6CD797F6-C777-4568-BFF5-31C1DBEDA17A@durrant.co.uk> <889e6c715785843d7b712a515b64ab10@virgin.net> Message-ID: <7570676B-20BC-45AD-8316-A8353B4DA438@f2s.com> Obvious question: have you rebooted? Everything? Have you tried copying to your internal drive, then copying from there to the target? Robbie On 24 Feb 2009, at 08:50, Martin Fry wrote: Hi Paul Same with copying to any disk, do not have Superdouper! > No idea. What happens if you try to copy them to a different disk? > What happens if you use something like SuperDuper! instead of the > Finder? > > Paul > > On 23 Feb 2009, at 23:52, Martin Fry wrote: > >> Can anyone tell me why its, taking me 'forever' to copy just 44 mb >> of pictures from one folder to another. >> >> These are small website pictures ( 420 no. x 115 pixels) going from >> external drive 5 to ext drive 6. >> >> All I get is the whirring ball. and maybe half an hour later the >> window has gone, not always having copied across. www.martinfryphotography.com _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Tue Feb 24 09:33:31 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 09:33:31 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Finder In-Reply-To: <7570676B-20BC-45AD-8316-A8353B4DA438@f2s.com> References: <31607e6f8b77b8cff155774a5a6575a7@virgin.net> <6CD797F6-C777-4568-BFF5-31C1DBEDA17A@durrant.co.uk> <889e6c715785843d7b712a515b64ab10@virgin.net> <7570676B-20BC-45AD-8316-A8353B4DA438@f2s.com> Message-ID: hi Robbie > Yes I have rebooted plus forced quit finder and the problem still occurs to and from all of my 3x Internal & 3 x External hard drives. Martin > Obvious question: have you rebooted? > > Everything? > > Have you tried copying to your internal drive, then copying from there > to the target? > > Robbie > > > > On 24 Feb 2009, at 08:50, Martin Fry wrote: > > > Hi Paul > > Same with copying to any disk, do not have Superdouper! > > >> No idea. What happens if you try to copy them to a different disk? >> What happens if you use something like SuperDuper! instead of the >> Finder? >> >> Paul >> >> On 23 Feb 2009, at 23:52, Martin Fry wrote: >> >>> Can anyone tell me why its, taking me 'forever' to copy just 44 mb >>> of pictures from one folder to another. >>> >>> These are small website pictures ( 420 no. x 115 pixels) going from >>> external drive 5 to ext drive 6. >>> >>> All I get is the whirring ball. and maybe half an hour later the >>> window has gone, not always having copied across. > www.martinfryphotography.com > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > www.martinfryphotography.com From paul at durrant.co.uk Tue Feb 24 09:37:35 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 09:37:35 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Finder In-Reply-To: <889e6c715785843d7b712a515b64ab10@virgin.net> References: <31607e6f8b77b8cff155774a5a6575a7@virgin.net> <6CD797F6-C777-4568-BFF5-31C1DBEDA17A@durrant.co.uk> <889e6c715785843d7b712a515b64ab10@virgin.net> Message-ID: <9B3D0000-2DD4-40B3-8A34-901DBF90FA06@durrant.co.uk> Is it just these files, or is it all file copy operations? What happens if you disconnect your external hard drives to copying between internal drives. Please remind us of your mac model, and how the external drives are connected. Paul On 24 Feb 2009, at 08:50, Martin Fry wrote: > > Hi Paul > > Same with copying to any disk, do not have Superdouper! > > >> No idea. What happens if you try to copy them to a different disk? >> What happens if you use something like SuperDuper! instead of the >> Finder? >> >> Paul >> >> On 23 Feb 2009, at 23:52, Martin Fry wrote: >> >>> Can anyone tell me why its, taking me 'forever' to copy just 44 >>> mb of pictures from one folder to another. >>> >>> These are small website pictures ( 420 no. x 115 pixels) going >>> from external drive 5 to ext drive 6. >>> >>> All I get is the whirring ball. and maybe half an hour later the >>> window has gone, not always having copied across. > www.martinfryphotography.com > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From alan at asw6000.plus.com Tue Feb 24 09:37:38 2009 From: alan at asw6000.plus.com (Alan Williams) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 09:37:38 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] re sound effects In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Simon Nothing showing as connected. However shut down system & on reboot everything working normally again. Strange , maybe all the updates I downloaded recently. Alan On 24 Feb 2009, at 08:57, Simon Royal wrote: > Alan > > Double check your output device in your Sound preference pane. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Alan Williams alan at asw6000.plus.com From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Tue Feb 24 10:06:25 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:06:25 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Finder In-Reply-To: <9B3D0000-2DD4-40B3-8A34-901DBF90FA06@durrant.co.uk> References: <31607e6f8b77b8cff155774a5a6575a7@virgin.net> <6CD797F6-C777-4568-BFF5-31C1DBEDA17A@durrant.co.uk> <889e6c715785843d7b712a515b64ab10@virgin.net> <9B3D0000-2DD4-40B3-8A34-901DBF90FA06@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <3d7fc31311cfdfdce91dbcb1046a2534@virgin.net> I have just tried copying the same files between 2 Internal drives and it is immediate! So it seems it could be the external drives? martin > Is it just these files, or is it all file copy operations? > > What happens if you disconnect your external hard drives to copying > between internal drives. > > Please remind us of your mac model, and how the external drives are > connected. > > Paul > > On 24 Feb 2009, at 08:50, Martin Fry wrote: > >> >> Hi Paul >> >> Same with copying to any disk, do not have Superdouper! >> >> >>> No idea. What happens if you try to copy them to a different disk? >>> What happens if you use something like SuperDuper! instead of the >>> Finder? >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> On 23 Feb 2009, at 23:52, Martin Fry wrote: >>> >>>> Can anyone tell me why its, taking me 'forever' to copy just 44 mb >>>> of pictures from one folder to another. >>>> >>>> These are small website pictures ( 420 no. x 115 pixels) going from >>>> external drive 5 to ext drive 6. >>>> >>>> All I get is the whirring ball. and maybe half an hour later the >>>> window has gone, not always having copied across. >> www.martinfryphotography.com >> _______________________________________________ >> NMUG mailing list >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > www.martinfryphotography.com From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Tue Feb 24 10:50:35 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:50:35 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] O/S 10.4 Message-ID: <7f24f6d7b2077af57be36a8bd70cfd73@virgin.net> Anyone have an original set of O/S 10.4 disks I could buy? Regards Martin www.martinfryphotography.com From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Tue Feb 24 11:31:17 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 11:31:17 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] O/S 10.4 Message-ID: Martin. You still using 10.3? Oh my, Apples worst version of OSX in my opinion. Too many new features over Jaguar and not optimised at all. You will notice the speed difference when moving to 10.4, it is so much more streamlined. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71) -original message- Subject: [NMUG] O/S 10.4 From: Martin Fry Date: 24/02/2009 10:52 Anyone have an original set of O/S 10.4 disks I could buy? Regards Martin www.martinfryphotography.com _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Tue Feb 24 13:39:53 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:39:53 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Finder In-Reply-To: <3d7fc31311cfdfdce91dbcb1046a2534@virgin.net> References: <31607e6f8b77b8cff155774a5a6575a7@virgin.net> <6CD797F6-C777-4568-BFF5-31C1DBEDA17A@durrant.co.uk> <889e6c715785843d7b712a515b64ab10@virgin.net> <9B3D0000-2DD4-40B3-8A34-901DBF90FA06@durrant.co.uk> <3d7fc31311cfdfdce91dbcb1046a2534@virgin.net> Message-ID: <4172378A-BC3E-4932-9DCC-360FD6B9DA4E@durrant.co.uk> It could be the external drives, or perhaps the cables connecting them, or perhaps even just a poor connection between cable and drive. I'd try unplugging the external drives, and then adding them back one at a time, to see when the problem reoccurs. If it doesn't, it was probably a bad connection. If it does, when it occurs will narrow down the problem. Paul On 24 Feb 2009, at 10:06, Martin Fry wrote: > I have just tried copying the same files between 2 Internal drives > and it is immediate! > > So it seems it could be the external drives? > > martin > > > > > > > > > > > >> Is it just these files, or is it all file copy operations? >> >> What happens if you disconnect your external hard drives to copying >> between internal drives. >> >> Please remind us of your mac model, and how the external drives are >> connected. >> >> Paul >> >> On 24 Feb 2009, at 08:50, Martin Fry wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi Paul >>> >>> Same with copying to any disk, do not have Superdouper! >>> >>> >>>> No idea. What happens if you try to copy them to a different >>>> disk? What happens if you use something like SuperDuper! instead >>>> of the Finder? >>>> >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> On 23 Feb 2009, at 23:52, Martin Fry wrote: >>>> >>>>> Can anyone tell me why its, taking me 'forever' to copy just 44 >>>>> mb of pictures from one folder to another. >>>>> >>>>> These are small website pictures ( 420 no. x 115 pixels) going >>>>> from external drive 5 to ext drive 6. >>>>> >>>>> All I get is the whirring ball. and maybe half an hour later >>>>> the window has gone, not always having copied across. >>> www.martinfryphotography.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NMUG mailing list >>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NMUG mailing list >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> > www.martinfryphotography.com > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From alan at asw6000.plus.com Tue Feb 24 13:50:16 2009 From: alan at asw6000.plus.com (Alan Williams) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:50:16 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] back up Message-ID: <49828DCD-57E1-48CA-9FF3-C1B48579E259@asw6000.plus.com> I have recently upgraded to Leopard & now need to set up Time Machine. I have ordered a Western Digital 500gb which should be more than adequate since my ibook has only a 55gb hd. I understand that you cannot boot from a Time Machine back up & wonder if I should create a bootable back up as well . Can I do this on the WD if I partition it ( presumably in disc Utility ) & use Carbon Copy Cloner ? Alan Williams alan at asw6000.plus.com From macman at f2s.com Tue Feb 24 14:17:23 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:17:23 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] back up In-Reply-To: <49828DCD-57E1-48CA-9FF3-C1B48579E259@asw6000.plus.com> References: <49828DCD-57E1-48CA-9FF3-C1B48579E259@asw6000.plus.com> Message-ID: <99BF3DEF-D210-49B2-9471-E0DBD252035F@f2s.com> I guess you can, Alan: although I use a separate Ext drive for Time Machine (only because I have one!), my SuperDuper backup is on one partition of a LaCie 500Gb, with the other being used simply as storage for archive files. I can't see a lot of point in making your SuperDuper partition any larger than the drive it's backing up, but the bigger your Time Machine partition, the farther back it will archive, as it simply keeps adding backups till full, then drops the oldest off the cliff at the rear when it runs out of space. You may even consider 3 partitions, with the 3rd as a simple archive where you can drop stuff you may want in future, but don't need immediately. Is your 500gb Firewire? It used to be that this was necessary for booting, but I believe you can now do it in Intel Macs from USB, but not PPC machines .... If I'm wrong, no doubt I'll be corrected soon enough! Hope this helps Robbie On 24 Feb 2009, at 13:50, Alan Williams wrote: I have recently upgraded to Leopard & now need to set up Time Machine. I have ordered a Western Digital 500gb which should be more than adequate since my ibook has only a 55gb hd. I understand that you cannot boot from a Time Machine back up & wonder if I should create a bootable back up as well . Can I do this on the WD if I partition it ( presumably in disc Utility ) & use Carbon Copy Cloner ? Alan Williams alan at asw6000.plus.com _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From alan at asw6000.plus.com Tue Feb 24 14:34:13 2009 From: alan at asw6000.plus.com (Alan Williams) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:34:13 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] back up In-Reply-To: <99BF3DEF-D210-49B2-9471-E0DBD252035F@f2s.com> References: <49828DCD-57E1-48CA-9FF3-C1B48579E259@asw6000.plus.com> <99BF3DEF-D210-49B2-9471-E0DBD252035F@f2s.com> Message-ID: <72E6AA2B-0980-4F99-94E0-04743776F35F@asw6000.plus.com> Thanks for that Robbie. The ext drive is firewire so should be ok . I was thinking of stripping off most of the stuff on my ibook & keeping it " lean & mean " but if Timemachine eventually drops stuff I will have to be careful . Alan On 24 Feb 2009, at 14:17, Robbie Murray wrote: > I guess you can, Alan: although I use a separate Ext drive for Time > Machine (only because I have one!), my SuperDuper backup is on one > partition of a LaCie 500Gb, with the other being used simply as > storage for archive files. > > > I > Alan Williams alan at asw6000.plus.com From macman at f2s.com Tue Feb 24 15:06:10 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:06:10 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] back up In-Reply-To: <72E6AA2B-0980-4F99-94E0-04743776F35F@asw6000.plus.com> References: <49828DCD-57E1-48CA-9FF3-C1B48579E259@asw6000.plus.com> <99BF3DEF-D210-49B2-9471-E0DBD252035F@f2s.com> <72E6AA2B-0980-4F99-94E0-04743776F35F@asw6000.plus.com> Message-ID: It's important to understand that Time Machine is not a permanent archive, more of a temporary emergency facility to restore files which have been removed, either accidentally, or because they were deemed redundant, then suddenly are required again! They can only be recovered as long as the last backup which contained them remains in the file. Once it has gone to the great trash can in the sky, it's gone forever. As at today, my Time Machine goes back to 29th January, but tomorrow that will probably disappear, and the oldest backup I have will be the 30th. My HD, however, has 178Gb on it and the backup drive is 300: if you only have a max of 55Gb on your Macbook and a lot of space in your Time Machine, I guess your archive will go back much further. SuperDuper is a snapshot of your entire system, and will only restore it to the state it was in at the exact time of the last backup - no more, no less -, and can't retrieve files from any previous backup, as it will overwrite the previous copy. If, then, for reasons of efficiency, there are files you would like to remove from your Internal drive, but may want again in future, you must copy them to a simple backup location, where they will stay forever (or until the drive fails - not if: when), and can simply be dragged back onto the Internal drive when required (or opened from the backup) That was my reason for suggesting 3 partitions ..... Robbie On 24 Feb 2009, at 14:34, Alan Williams wrote: Thanks for that Robbie. The ext drive is firewire so should be ok . I was thinking of stripping off most of the stuff on my ibook & keeping it " lean & mean " but if Timemachine eventually drops stuff I will have to be careful . Alan On 24 Feb 2009, at 14:17, Robbie Murray wrote: > I guess you can, Alan: although I use a separate Ext drive for Time > Machine (only because I have one!), my SuperDuper backup is on one > partition of a LaCie 500Gb, with the other being used simply as > storage for archive files. > > > I > Alan Williams alan at asw6000.plus.com _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From alan at asw6000.plus.com Tue Feb 24 15:24:38 2009 From: alan at asw6000.plus.com (Alan Williams) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:24:38 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] back ups Message-ID: So Robbie I guess I'm going from a few cds to 3 separate partitions on an ext hd . Just because I'm paranoid doesnt mean it isnt going to fail I suppose. What is the expected life of an ext hd ? regards Alan From macman at f2s.com Tue Feb 24 16:22:09 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:22:09 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] back ups In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You're not paranoid Alan, but if it's all important stuff it's just being sensible. For belt & braces you could still burn the CDs as well - many do! (and keep them in a fireproof safe off site) As for drive life - how long is a piece of string? I've seen comments on this group of certain drives failing within a very short time. Perhaps I've been lucky, as it's only happened twice. Both were WD, about five years old, although I was able to reformat in each case, pop in a caddy and use for non critical backups, in fact the one I use for Time Machine came out of my old G5 iMac - still chugging away happily with 3 partitions. It, could, however, fail anytime, but it's not critical ..... Robbie On 24 Feb 2009, at 15:24, Alan Williams wrote: So Robbie I guess I'm going from a few cds to 3 separate partitions on an ext hd . Just because I'm paranoid doesnt mean it isnt going to fail I suppose. What is the expected life of an ext hd ? regards Alan _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk Tue Feb 24 16:25:04 2009 From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 16:25:04 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Losing Mail/ Eudora to Address box In-Reply-To: References: <0B20EF75-5B82-43BC-B386-A8ADB0752A71@durrant.co.uk> <7BA04C3E-4267-4EAB-8230-D7532551DFFD@themagic.me.uk> Message-ID: >>>> Thanks for advice re losing Mail. Will be working on it later in week. Meanwhile my wife has Eudora on her G3 Powerbook (bronze keyboard 10.3.9) and Eudora will not get mail, icon/cursor spinning continually. Feeling at meetings was that eudora on last legs so I launched Apple's Mail for her to use. All mailboxes transferred from Eudora and it works all right except I cannot find a way to transfer the addresses to the app. AddressBook from which it seems Mail gets the addresses for applicable mail it wants to address. How can I do it, please? Is there something in a library, or what? From allan at dsol.co.uk Tue Feb 24 18:13:04 2009 From: allan at dsol.co.uk (Allan) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:13:04 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] back up In-Reply-To: <49828DCD-57E1-48CA-9FF3-C1B48579E259@asw6000.plus.com> References: <49828DCD-57E1-48CA-9FF3-C1B48579E259@asw6000.plus.com> Message-ID: On 24 Feb 2009, at 13:50, Alan Williams wrote: > > I have recently upgraded to Leopard & now need to set up Time > Machine. I have ordered a Western Digital 500gb which should be > more than adequate since my ibook has only a 55gb hd. I understand > that you cannot boot from a Time Machine back up & wonder if I > should create a bootable back up as well . That's right, although with an installation disk you can restore everything to your main hard drive. Personally, I use two partitions on an external Firewire drive. One is used with Time Machine and it only backs up data (documents, Mail, Contacts etc) from my User account. (My large iTunes library is on another HD and is never part of a backup.) The other partition is for a complete bootable SuperDuper backup. This allows me to boot up and do maintenance on my main HD, a complete restore should my main HD go down or I can perform an installation of the current system on a new HD. Incidentally, if you don't like the default one-hour intervals of Time Machine's backups, you can use a little application called Time Machine Editor (http://tinylink.co.za/f3ba3c). It's also free. Allan Johns > Can I do this on the WD if I partition it ( presumably in disc > Utility ) & use Carbon Copy Cloner ? > > > Alan Williams > alan at asw6000.plus.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Tue Feb 24 19:32:58 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 24 Feb 2009 19:32:58 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Safari 4 Beta Released Message-ID: Hi Safari 4 Beta has just been officially released and the specs of it looks promising. Javascript processing 3 times faster than Safari 3 and 30 times faster than IE7. HTML loading 3 times faster than IE7 and almost 3 times as much as Firefox 3. It also handles HTML 5 and CSS 3... I shall be giving it a run for sure. http://www.apple.com/safari/ Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. From andrew.nunn at btinternet.com Tue Feb 24 21:30:13 2009 From: andrew.nunn at btinternet.com (Andrew Nunn) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:30:13 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Safari 4 Beta Released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I installed Safari 4 earlier today on my G5 imac OSX 10.5.6 but had to uninstall it as it caused Mail to crash a few seconds after starting it. Andrew On 24 Feb 2009, at 19:32, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi > > Safari 4 Beta has just been officially released and the specs of it > looks promising. > > Javascript processing 3 times faster than Safari 3 and 30 times > faster than IE7. > > HTML loading 3 times faster than IE7 and almost 3 times as much as > Firefox 3. > > It also handles HTML 5 and CSS 3... > > I shall be giving it a run for sure. > > http://www.apple.com/safari/ > > Simon > > > --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, > upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for > Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, > so I bought an Apple Mac. > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Tue Feb 24 21:59:02 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:59:02 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Safari 4 Beta Released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you have Growl Mail, that's probably the problem .... Robbie On 24 Feb 2009, at 21:30, Andrew Nunn wrote: Hi, I installed Safari 4 earlier today on my G5 imac OSX 10.5.6 but had to uninstall it as it caused Mail to crash a few seconds after starting it. Andrew On 24 Feb 2009, at 19:32, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi > > Safari 4 Beta has just been officially released and the specs of it > looks promising. > > Javascript processing 3 times faster than Safari 3 and 30 times > faster than IE7. > > HTML loading 3 times faster than IE7 and almost 3 times as much as > Firefox 3. > > It also handles HTML 5 and CSS 3... > > I shall be giving it a run for sure. > > http://www.apple.com/safari/ > > Simon > > > --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, > upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for > Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, > so I bought an Apple Mac. > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From alan at asw6000.plus.com Tue Feb 24 22:06:47 2009 From: alan at asw6000.plus.com (Alan Williams) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:06:47 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] back up Message-ID: Allan Thanks for the info , I've downloaded the app Time machine editor which looks v useful . I'm looking to shift itunes & iphoto off my laptop & free up 25gb but still keep them handy. I will probably go with Robbies' idea & triple partition my ext hd. Alan Williams alan at asw6000.plus.com From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Tue Feb 24 22:10:00 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 24 Feb 2009 22:10:00 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Safari 4 Beta Released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Andrew Been using it for a few hours and it is pretty good, but I don't use Mail - so can't test that out. I was interested in the 'top sites' feature, but can't see a way of adding them manually. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Feb 24 2009, Andrew Nunn wrote: Hi, I installed Safari 4 earlier today on my G5 imac OSX 10.5.6 but had to uninstall it as it caused Mail to crash a few seconds after starting it. Andrew On 24 Feb 2009, at 19:32, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi > > Safari 4 Beta has just been officially released and the specs of it > looks promising. > > Javascript processing 3 times faster than Safari 3 and 30 times > faster than IE7. > > HTML loading 3 times faster than IE7 and almost 3 times as much as > Firefox 3. > > It also handles HTML 5 and CSS 3... > > I shall be giving it a run for sure. > > http://www.apple.com/safari/ > > Simon > > > --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, > upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for > Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, > so I bought an Apple Mac. > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Tue Feb 24 22:12:37 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 24 Feb 2009 22:12:37 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Safari 4 Beta Released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi I have Growl installed and it is working fine, but I don't use Mail. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Feb 24 2009, Robbie Murray wrote: If you have Growl Mail, that's probably the problem .... Robbie On 24 Feb 2009, at 21:30, Andrew Nunn wrote: Hi, I installed Safari 4 earlier today on my G5 imac OSX 10.5.6 but had to uninstall it as it caused Mail to crash a few seconds after starting it. Andrew On 24 Feb 2009, at 19:32, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi > > Safari 4 Beta has just been officially released and the specs of it > looks promising. > > Javascript processing 3 times faster than Safari 3 and 30 times > faster than IE7. > > HTML loading 3 times faster than IE7 and almost 3 times as much as > Firefox 3. > > It also handles HTML 5 and CSS 3... > > I shall be giving it a run for sure. > > http://www.apple.com/safari/ > > Simon > > > --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, > upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for > Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, > so I bought an Apple Mac. > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Tue Feb 24 22:17:43 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 24 Feb 2009 22:17:43 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Happy Birthday Steve Message-ID: Hi Today, Steve Jobs is 54. Happy Birthday. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. From andrew.nunn at btinternet.com Tue Feb 24 22:35:55 2009 From: andrew.nunn at btinternet.com (Andrew Nunn) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 22:35:55 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Safari 4 Beta Released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <450F3F2F-E498-4EF9-8ECC-9F9DE2BA5B5E@btinternet.com> Robbie, Growl removed. Mail and Safari are now happily coexisting. Many thanks. Andrew On 24 Feb 2009, at 21:59, Robbie Murray wrote: > If you have Growl Mail, that's probably the problem .... > > Robbie > > > On 24 Feb 2009, at 21:30, Andrew Nunn wrote: > > Hi, > > I installed Safari 4 earlier today on my G5 imac OSX 10.5.6 but had > to uninstall it as it caused Mail to crash a few seconds after > starting it. > > Andrew > > On 24 Feb 2009, at 19:32, Simon Royal wrote: > >> Hi >> >> Safari 4 Beta has just been officially released and the specs of it >> looks promising. >> >> Javascript processing 3 times faster than Safari 3 and 30 times >> faster than IE7. >> >> HTML loading 3 times faster than IE7 and almost 3 times as much as >> Firefox 3. >> >> It also handles HTML 5 and CSS 3... >> >> I shall be giving it a run for sure. >> >> http://www.apple.com/safari/ >> >> Simon >> >> >> --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, >> upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster >> for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or >> better, so I bought an Apple Mac. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NMUG mailing list >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From allan at dsol.co.uk Wed Feb 25 03:44:54 2009 From: allan at dsol.co.uk (Allan) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 03:44:54 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Omni applications now free Message-ID: The Omni Group has released four of their software applications as freeware: OmniWeb,OmniDazzle, OmniDiskSweeper and OmniObjectMeter More info at http://tinylink.co.za/ff9bbf Allan Johns. From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Wed Feb 25 09:49:22 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 25 Feb 2009 09:49:22 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Original Airport WPA Message-ID: Hi I have read a couple of times that the original Airport card did support WPA. Can anyone vouch for this? Apparently as long as you have Airport Software 3.3 and above and 10.3 and above then WPA is supported. If this is the case it would be easier for me to fit an internal Airport card into my PowerBook G4 instead of the Buffalo card in the PCMCIA slot. While my Buffalo card is recognised as a genuine Airport Extreme card, I never file transfer from one machine to another and my broadband never goes above 6MB so the increased speed is pretty pointless, plus I won't have a card sticking out the side of my PowerBook. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk Wed Feb 25 14:14:18 2009 From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:14:18 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Email problems Message-ID: <50AA7081-45D1-482E-BA56-9F2D0CAC6825@mendelsohn.me.uk> Hi everyone, Can anyone throw light on a problem we have been experiencing for the last 10 days: Frequently we find that we are unable to get mail, at the side of the inbox a warning triangle appears which when clicked, states as follows: "Unable to Receive Mail", followed by "There may be a problem with the mail server or network. Check the settings for account ?f2s? or try again." and "The server error encountered was: The POP server ?inmail.f2s.com? doesn?t support X-APOP authentication. Please check your account settings and try again"There may be a problem with the server or network. Check settings" We have checked mail preferences, network settings etc. The problem seems to correct itself for no apparent reason and a whole lot of mail comes in. This problem occurs several times a day. However, we are always able to send mail. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Ed and Phyll From alanbarber at mac.com Wed Feb 25 14:17:10 2009 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:17:10 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Email problems In-Reply-To: <50AA7081-45D1-482E-BA56-9F2D0CAC6825@mendelsohn.me.uk> References: <50AA7081-45D1-482E-BA56-9F2D0CAC6825@mendelsohn.me.uk> Message-ID: <91698229-5310-44E3-8597-230D390B4D9F@mac.com> Same thing happens to me using Virgin. I click on the top triangle and click on get mail and they disappear and everything works fine. Regards Alan On 25 Feb 2009, at 14:14, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Can anyone throw light on a problem we have been experiencing for > the last 10 days: > > Frequently we find that we are unable to get mail, at the side of > the inbox a warning triangle appears which when clicked, states as > follows: > "Unable to Receive Mail", followed by "There may be a problem with > the mail server or network. Check the settings for account ?f2s? or > try again." and > "The server error encountered was: The POP server ?inmail.f2s.com? > doesn?t support X-APOP authentication. Please check your account > settings and try again"There may be a problem with the server or > network. Check settings" > > We have checked mail preferences, network settings etc. The problem > seems to correct itself for no apparent reason and a whole lot of > mail comes in. This problem occurs several times a day. However, we > are always able to send mail. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Ed and Phyll > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From brian at clearlight.uk.net Wed Feb 25 14:34:20 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:34:20 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Email problems In-Reply-To: <50AA7081-45D1-482E-BA56-9F2D0CAC6825@mendelsohn.me.uk> Message-ID: Though I use F2s, I don't use any email account associated with their service so I cant check my own. Did you look in the advanced receiving options that you haven't got something checked that isn't required - like secure password authentication? Is there a way to email F2s and ask them? It might just be an inaccurate error report from a glitch in their system. sorry I cant offer more help all the best Brian Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn said recently: > Hi everyone, > > Can anyone throw light on a problem we have been experiencing for the > last 10 days: > > Frequently we find that we are unable to get mail, at the side of the > inbox a warning triangle appears which when clicked, states as follows: > "Unable to Receive Mail", followed by "There may be a problem with > the mail server or network. Check the settings for account ?f2s? or > try again." and > "The server error encountered was: The POP server ?inmail.f2s.com? > doesn?t support X-APOP authentication. Please check your account > settings and try again"There may be a problem with the server or > network. Check settings" > > We have checked mail preferences, network settings etc. The problem > seems to correct itself for no apparent reason and a whole lot of mail > comes in. This problem occurs several times a day. However, we are > always able to send mail. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Ed and Phyll > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk Wed Feb 25 14:44:12 2009 From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:44:12 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] re: Email Problems Message-ID: <4C86C8C4-7288-41FA-BBD2-48F900A63E62@mendelsohn.me.uk> Thanks Alan and Brian, Alan, did you mean the small triangle that appears just to the inbox when there are problems. Did as you suggested, no luck. Brian, I looked at the advanced receiving options (in Mail Preferences) - nothing checked that didn't need to be. I will see if I can email f2s. By the way we had to pick this mail up via webmail! Phyll and Ed From jeremyknight at mac.com Wed Feb 25 14:53:26 2009 From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:53:26 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] re: Email Problems In-Reply-To: <4C86C8C4-7288-41FA-BBD2-48F900A63E62@mendelsohn.me.uk> References: <4C86C8C4-7288-41FA-BBD2-48F900A63E62@mendelsohn.me.uk> Message-ID: <1BD4EF7D-76B6-4EDD-946B-E44473137245@mac.com> Both My wife and I have this problem. With the authentication pop up This has happened before and has disappeared after a time. jeremy On 25 Feb 2009, at 14:44, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: > Thanks Alan and Brian, > > Alan, did you mean the small triangle that appears just to the > inbox when there are problems. Did as you suggested, no luck. > > Brian, I looked at the advanced receiving options (in Mail > Preferences) - nothing checked that didn't need to be. I will see > if I can email f2s. > > By the way we had to pick this mail up via webmail! > > Phyll and Ed > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Wed Feb 25 14:57:01 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:57:01 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Email problems In-Reply-To: <50AA7081-45D1-482E-BA56-9F2D0CAC6825@mendelsohn.me.uk> References: <50AA7081-45D1-482E-BA56-9F2D0CAC6825@mendelsohn.me.uk> Message-ID: <14222E98-2939-470C-8A17-A25213CB3DE7@f2s.com> The same thing has been happening with just one of many accounts we have on a domain hosted by f2s - all others are fine. I suspect it's a misinterpretation of the request at the server - they've all recently been upgraded and there have been a few problems. As I'm 40 miles away from the office it's not easy to check, but I've instructed them to check all settings for this account as below: Click on the account in Mail preferences, and go to Advanced - the settings should read: Port 110 Authentication: Password SSL box should NOT be checked Other than this, there's little you can do, but if it persists, raise a ticket, which they try to stop you doing changing the text between pages, but if you follow this through and ignore all the nonsense about 'suggested answers from the FAQ', you will finally be able to submit it. You'll get to it from the Home page via Contact us > Log an Issue > Ask a question. I'd be interested to know how you get on .... Hope this helps Robbie On 25 Feb 2009, at 14:14, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: Hi everyone, Can anyone throw light on a problem we have been experiencing for the last 10 days: Frequently we find that we are unable to get mail, at the side of the inbox a warning triangle appears which when clicked, states as follows: "Unable to Receive Mail", followed by "There may be a problem with the mail server or network. Check the settings for account ?f2s? or try again." and "The server error encountered was: The POP server ?inmail.f2s.com? doesn?t support X-APOP authentication. Please check your account settings and try again"There may be a problem with the server or network. Check settings" We have checked mail preferences, network settings etc. The problem seems to correct itself for no apparent reason and a whole lot of mail comes in. This problem occurs several times a day. However, we are always able to send mail. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Ed and Phyll _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From alanbarber at mac.com Wed Feb 25 15:25:23 2009 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:25:23 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] re: Email Problems In-Reply-To: <4C86C8C4-7288-41FA-BBD2-48F900A63E62@mendelsohn.me.uk> References: <4C86C8C4-7288-41FA-BBD2-48F900A63E62@mendelsohn.me.uk> Message-ID: <8393957A-BDBD-40AF-B28B-C820AA099FDE@mac.com> Yes I do mean the small triangle that appears when there are problems Regards Alan On 25 Feb 2009, at 14:44, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: > Thanks Alan and Brian, > > Alan, did you mean the small triangle that appears just to the inbox > when there are problems. Did as you suggested, no luck. > > Brian, I looked at the advanced receiving options (in Mail > Preferences) - nothing checked that didn't need to be. I will see if > I can email f2s. > > By the way we had to pick this mail up via webmail! > > Phyll and Ed > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From alanbarber at mac.com Wed Feb 25 15:28:47 2009 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:28:47 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Email problems In-Reply-To: <14222E98-2939-470C-8A17-A25213CB3DE7@f2s.com> References: <50AA7081-45D1-482E-BA56-9F2D0CAC6825@mendelsohn.me.uk> <14222E98-2939-470C-8A17-A25213CB3DE7@f2s.com> Message-ID: <0CBD3789-4C54-45F4-A4A9-46FC56CB8AB3@mac.com> Robbie using virgin the settings are:- > Port 110 > Authentication: Password > SSL box should NOT be checked But on my mac account there are port 143 > Authentication: Password > SSL box should NOT be checked I cannot change the 143 as it is grayed out Regards Alan On 25 Feb 2009, at 14:57, Robbie Murray wrote: > The same thing has been happening with just one of many accounts we > have on a domain hosted by f2s - all others are fine. > > I suspect it's a misinterpretation of the request at the server - > they've all recently been upgraded and there have been a few problems. > > As I'm 40 miles away from the office it's not easy to check, but > I've instructed them to check all settings for this account as below: > > Click on the account in Mail preferences, and go to Advanced - the > settings should read: > > Port 110 > Authentication: Password > SSL box should NOT be checked > > Other than this, there's little you can do, but if it persists, > raise a ticket, which they try to stop you doing changing the text > between pages, but if you follow this through and ignore all the > nonsense about 'suggested answers from the FAQ', you will finally be > able to submit it. > > You'll get to it from the Home page via Contact us > Log an Issue > > Ask a question. > > I'd be interested to know how you get on .... > > Hope this helps > > > Robbie > > > > > > On 25 Feb 2009, at 14:14, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > Can anyone throw light on a problem we have been experiencing for > the last 10 days: > > Frequently we find that we are unable to get mail, at the side of > the inbox a warning triangle appears which when clicked, states as > follows: > "Unable to Receive Mail", followed by "There may be a problem with > the mail server or network. Check the settings for account ?f2s? or > try again." and > "The server error encountered was: The POP server ?inmail.f2s.com? > doesn?t support X-APOP authentication. Please check your account > settings and try again"There may be a problem with the server or > network. Check settings" > > We have checked mail preferences, network settings etc. The problem > seems to correct itself for no apparent reason and a whole lot of > mail comes in. This problem occurs several times a day. However, we > are always able to send mail. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Ed and Phyll > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk Wed Feb 25 15:33:51 2009 From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:33:51 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Email problems In-Reply-To: <14222E98-2939-470C-8A17-A25213CB3DE7@f2s.com> References: <50AA7081-45D1-482E-BA56-9F2D0CAC6825@mendelsohn.me.uk> <14222E98-2939-470C-8A17-A25213CB3DE7@f2s.com> Message-ID: <15214566-EF38-4436-98A5-6920D3F7D003@mendelsohn.me.uk> Thanks Robbie, The authentication had 'authenticated POP' - I changed this to 'password' and hey presto a lot of mail came in and the triangle has gone. We will wait and see if the problems recurs!! Thanks to everyone for your suggestions. Phyll and Ed On 25 Feb 2009, at 14:57, Robbie Murray wrote: > The same thing has been happening with just one of many accounts we > have on a domain hosted by f2s - all others are fine. > > I suspect it's a misinterpretation of the request at the server - > they've all recently been upgraded and there have been a few problems. > > As I'm 40 miles away from the office it's not easy to check, but > I've instructed them to check all settings for this account as below: > > Click on the account in Mail preferences, and go to Advanced - the > settings should read: > > Port 110 > Authentication: Password > SSL box should NOT be checked > > Other than this, there's little you can do, but if it persists, > raise a ticket, which they try to stop you doing changing the text > between pages, but if you follow this through and ignore all the > nonsense about 'suggested answers from the FAQ', you will finally be > able to submit it. > > You'll get to it from the Home page via Contact us > Log an Issue > > Ask a question. > > I'd be interested to know how you get on .... > > Hope this helps > > > Robbie > > > > From ernienmug at f2s.com Wed Feb 25 15:36:56 2009 From: ernienmug at f2s.com (Ernie Ives) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:36:56 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] re: Email Problems In-Reply-To: <8393957A-BDBD-40AF-B28B-C820AA099FDE@mac.com> References: <4C86C8C4-7288-41FA-BBD2-48F900A63E62@mendelsohn.me.uk> <8393957A-BDBD-40AF-B28B-C820AA099FDE@mac.com> Message-ID: <1702D029-17C3-48CE-8E0E-C513AB25EACC@f2s.com> Ernie Ives Marquetarian and microscopist I had this problem some time ago and was recommended by xxx to change the settings viz: mail preferences > accounts > advanced > f2s > port 110, uncheck ssl and use password authentication Haven't had the problem since then Best wishes Ernie On 25 Feb 2009, at 15:25, Alan Barber wrote: > Yes I do mean the small triangle that appears when there are problems > > Regards > > Alan > > > On 25 Feb 2009, at 14:44, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: > >> Thanks Alan and Brian, >> >> Alan, did you mean the small triangle that appears just to the >> inbox when there are problems. Did as you suggested, no luck. >> >> Brian, I looked at the advanced receiving options (in Mail >> Preferences) - nothing checked that didn't need to be. I will see >> if I can email f2s. >> >> By the way we had to pick this mail up via webmail! >> >> Phyll and Ed >> _______________________________________________ >> NMUG mailing list >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From macman at f2s.com Wed Feb 25 16:05:10 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:05:10 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Email problems In-Reply-To: <0CBD3789-4C54-45F4-A4A9-46FC56CB8AB3@mac.com> References: <50AA7081-45D1-482E-BA56-9F2D0CAC6825@mendelsohn.me.uk> <14222E98-2939-470C-8A17-A25213CB3DE7@f2s.com> <0CBD3789-4C54-45F4-A4A9-46FC56CB8AB3@mac.com> Message-ID: <47FB04FC-C3AE-40D7-AED2-1F8D9F26EC18@f2s.com> That's probably 'cos there are no options with the Mac account, as it uses a different port, and settings are specific for each account. I don't have a lot of experience other than f2s, but it's possible most normal POP accounts with a common or garden ISP probably use the same .... One thing for sure - if it's not broke, don't try to fix it! Robbie On 25 Feb 2009, at 15:28, Alan Barber wrote: Robbie using virgin the settings are:- > Port 110 > Authentication: Password > SSL box should NOT be checked But on my mac account there are port 143 > Authentication: Password > SSL box should NOT be checked I cannot change the 143 as it is grayed out Regards Alan On 25 Feb 2009, at 14:57, Robbie Murray wrote: > The same thing has been happening with just one of many accounts we > have on a domain hosted by f2s - all others are fine. > > I suspect it's a misinterpretation of the request at the server - > they've all recently been upgraded and there have been a few problems. > > As I'm 40 miles away from the office it's not easy to check, but > I've instructed them to check all settings for this account as below: > > Click on the account in Mail preferences, and go to Advanced - the > settings should read: > > Port 110 > Authentication: Password > SSL box should NOT be checked > > Other than this, there's little you can do, but if it persists, > raise a ticket, which they try to stop you doing changing the text > between pages, but if you follow this through and ignore all the > nonsense about 'suggested answers from the FAQ', you will finally be > able to submit it. > > You'll get to it from the Home page via Contact us > Log an Issue > > Ask a question. > > I'd be interested to know how you get on .... > > Hope this helps > > > Robbie > > > > > > On 25 Feb 2009, at 14:14, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > Can anyone throw light on a problem we have been experiencing for > the last 10 days: > > Frequently we find that we are unable to get mail, at the side of > the inbox a warning triangle appears which when clicked, states as > follows: > "Unable to Receive Mail", followed by "There may be a problem with > the mail server or network. Check the settings for account ?f2s? or > try again." and > "The server error encountered was: The POP server ?inmail.f2s.com? > doesn?t support X-APOP authentication. Please check your account > settings and try again"There may be a problem with the server or > network. Check settings" > > We have checked mail preferences, network settings etc. The problem > seems to correct itself for no apparent reason and a whole lot of > mail comes in. This problem occurs several times a day. However, we > are always able to send mail. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Ed and Phyll > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Wed Feb 25 16:39:30 2009 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:39:30 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Re: NMUG Digest, Vol 61, Issue 42 In-Reply-To: <20090225153714.8442781CF90@mail.durrant.co.uk> References: <20090225153714.8442781CF90@mail.durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <3AFFCB8F-24A1-4992-88D2-72EF529991DF@virgin.net> Re 'triangle' and unable to receive emails. I sometimes get the same thing. It is a ISP problem in my case, with Virgin. I no longer alter any setting and eventually it works again. Ken Arnoldi On 25 Feb 2009, at 15:37, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote: > Send NMUG mailing list submissions to > nmug at durrant.co.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nmug-request at durrant.co.uk > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nmug-owner at durrant.co.uk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of NMUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Email problems (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) > 2. Re: Email problems (Alan Barber) > 3. Re: Email problems (Brian Steere) > 4. re: Email Problems (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) > 5. Re: re: Email Problems (jeremy knight) > 6. Re: Email problems (Robbie Murray) > 7. Re: re: Email Problems (Alan Barber) > 8. Re: Email problems (Alan Barber) > 9. Re: Email problems (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) > 10. Re: re: Email Problems (Ernie Ives) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:14:18 +0000 > From: Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn > Subject: [NMUG] Email problems > To: NMUG Group list > Message-ID: <50AA7081-45D1-482E-BA56-9F2D0CAC6825 at mendelsohn.me.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; > delsp=yes > > Hi everyone, > > Can anyone throw light on a problem we have been experiencing for the > last 10 days: > > Frequently we find that we are unable to get mail, at the side of the > inbox a warning triangle appears which when clicked, states as > follows: > "Unable to Receive Mail", followed by "There may be a problem with > the mail server or network. Check the settings for account ?f2s? > or > try again." and > "The server error encountered was: The POP server ?inmail.f2s.com? > doesn?t support X-APOP authentication. Please check your account > settings and try again"There may be a problem with the server or > network. Check settings" > > We have checked mail preferences, network settings etc. The problem > seems to correct itself for no apparent reason and a whole lot of mail > comes in. This problem occurs several times a day. However, we are > always able to send mail. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Ed and Phyll > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:17:10 +0000 > From: Alan Barber > Subject: Re: [NMUG] Email problems > To: Norwich Mac User Group list > Message-ID: <91698229-5310-44E3-8597-230D390B4D9F at mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; > delsp=yes > > Same thing happens to me using Virgin. > I click on the top triangle and click on get mail and they disappear > and everything works fine. > > Regards > > Alan > > > On 25 Feb 2009, at 14:14, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> Can anyone throw light on a problem we have been experiencing for >> the last 10 days: >> >> Frequently we find that we are unable to get mail, at the side of >> the inbox a warning triangle appears which when clicked, states as >> follows: >> "Unable to Receive Mail", followed by "There may be a problem with >> the mail server or network. Check the settings for account ?f2s? >> or >> try again." and >> "The server error encountered was: The POP server ?inmail.f2s.c >> om? >> doesn?t support X-APOP authentication. Please check your account >> settings and try again"There may be a problem with the server or >> network. Check settings" >> >> We have checked mail preferences, network settings etc. The problem >> seems to correct itself for no apparent reason and a whole lot of >> mail comes in. This problem occurs several times a day. However, we >> are always able to send mail. >> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ed and Phyll >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NMUG mailing list >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:34:20 +0000 > From: Brian Steere > Subject: Re: [NMUG] Email problems > To: "nmug durrant.co.uk" > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > > Though I use F2s, I don't use any email account associated with their > service so I cant check my own. > Did you look in the advanced receiving options that you haven't got > something checked that isn't required - like secure password > authentication? > > Is there a way to email F2s and ask them? > It might just be an inaccurate error report from a glitch in their > system. > sorry I cant offer more help > > all the best > Brian > > Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn said recently: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> Can anyone throw light on a problem we have been experiencing for the >> last 10 days: >> >> Frequently we find that we are unable to get mail, at the side of >> the >> inbox a warning triangle appears which when clicked, states as >> follows: >> "Unable to Receive Mail", followed by "There may be a problem with >> the mail server or network. Check the settings for account ?f2s? or >> try again." and >> "The server error encountered was: The POP server ?inmail.f2s.com? >> doesn?t support X-APOP authentication. Please check your account >> settings and try again"There may be a problem with the server or >> network. Check settings" >> >> We have checked mail preferences, network settings etc. The problem >> seems to correct itself for no apparent reason and a whole lot of >> mail >> comes in. This problem occurs several times a day. However, we are >> always able to send mail. >> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ed and Phyll >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NMUG mailing list >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:44:12 +0000 > From: Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn > Subject: [NMUG] re: Email Problems > To: NMUG Group list > Message-ID: <4C86C8C4-7288-41FA-BBD2-48F900A63E62 at mendelsohn.me.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Thanks Alan and Brian, > > Alan, did you mean the small triangle that appears just to the inbox > when there are problems. Did as you suggested, no luck. > > Brian, I looked at the advanced receiving options (in Mail > Preferences) - nothing checked that didn't need to be. I will see if I > can email f2s. > > By the way we had to pick this mail up via webmail! > > Phyll and Ed > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:53:26 +0000 > From: jeremy knight > Subject: Re: [NMUG] re: Email Problems > To: Norwich Mac User Group list > Message-ID: <1BD4EF7D-76B6-4EDD-946B-E44473137245 at mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Both My wife and I have this problem. > With the authentication pop up > This has happened before and has disappeared after a time. > jeremy > On 25 Feb 2009, at 14:44, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: > >> Thanks Alan and Brian, >> >> Alan, did you mean the small triangle that appears just to the >> inbox when there are problems. Did as you suggested, no luck. >> >> Brian, I looked at the advanced receiving options (in Mail >> Preferences) - nothing checked that didn't need to be. I will see >> if I can email f2s. >> >> By the way we had to pick this mail up via webmail! >> >> Phyll and Ed >> _______________________________________________ >> NMUG mailing list >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:57:01 +0000 > From: Robbie Murray > Subject: Re: [NMUG] Email problems > To: Norwich Mac User Group list > Message-ID: <14222E98-2939-470C-8A17-A25213CB3DE7 at f2s.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; > delsp=yes > > The same thing has been happening with just one of many accounts we > have on a domain hosted by f2s - all others are fine. > > I suspect it's a misinterpretation of the request at the server - > they've all recently been upgraded and there have been a few problems. > > As I'm 40 miles away from the office it's not easy to check, but I've > instructed them to check all settings for this account as below: > > Click on the account in Mail preferences, and go to Advanced - the > settings should read: > > Port 110 > Authentication: Password > SSL box should NOT be checked > > Other than this, there's little you can do, but if it persists, raise > a ticket, which they try to stop you doing changing the text between > pages, but if you follow this through and ignore all the nonsense > about 'suggested answers from the FAQ', you will finally be able to > submit it. > > You'll get to it from the Home page via Contact us > Log an Issue > > Ask a question. > > I'd be interested to know how you get on .... > > Hope this helps > > > Robbie > > > > > > On 25 Feb 2009, at 14:14, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > Can anyone throw light on a problem we have been experiencing for the > last 10 days: > > Frequently we find that we are unable to get mail, at the side of the > inbox a warning triangle appears which when clicked, states as > follows: > "Unable to Receive Mail", followed by "There may be a problem with > the mail server or network. Check the settings for account ?f2s? > or > try again." and > "The server error encountered was: The POP server ?inmail.f2s.com? > doesn?t support X-APOP authentication. Please check your account > settings and try again"There may be a problem with the server or > network. Check settings" > > We have checked mail preferences, network settings etc. The problem > seems to correct itself for no apparent reason and a whole lot of mail > comes in. This problem occurs several times a day. However, we are > always able to send mail. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Ed and Phyll > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:25:23 +0000 > From: Alan Barber > Subject: Re: [NMUG] re: Email Problems > To: Norwich Mac User Group list > Message-ID: <8393957A-BDBD-40AF-B28B-C820AA099FDE at mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Yes I do mean the small triangle that appears when there are problems > > Regards > > Alan > > > On 25 Feb 2009, at 14:44, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: > >> Thanks Alan and Brian, >> >> Alan, did you mean the small triangle that appears just to the inbox >> when there are problems. Did as you suggested, no luck. >> >> Brian, I looked at the advanced receiving options (in Mail >> Preferences) - nothing checked that didn't need to be. I will see if >> I can email f2s. >> >> By the way we had to pick this mail up via webmail! >> >> Phyll and Ed >> _______________________________________________ >> NMUG mailing list >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:28:47 +0000 > From: Alan Barber > Subject: Re: [NMUG] Email problems > To: Norwich Mac User Group list > Message-ID: <0CBD3789-4C54-45F4-A4A9-46FC56CB8AB3 at mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed; > delsp=yes > > Robbie > using virgin the settings are:- >> Port 110 >> Authentication: Password >> SSL box should NOT be checked > > But on my mac account there are > port 143 >> Authentication: Password >> SSL box should NOT be checked > > I cannot change the 143 as it is grayed out > > Regards > > Alan > > > On 25 Feb 2009, at 14:57, Robbie Murray wrote: > >> The same thing has been happening with just one of many accounts we >> have on a domain hosted by f2s - all others are fine. >> >> I suspect it's a misinterpretation of the request at the server - >> they've all recently been upgraded and there have been a few >> problems. >> >> As I'm 40 miles away from the office it's not easy to check, but >> I've instructed them to check all settings for this account as below: >> >> Click on the account in Mail preferences, and go to Advanced - the >> settings should read: >> >> Port 110 >> Authentication: Password >> SSL box should NOT be checked >> >> Other than this, there's little you can do, but if it persists, >> raise a ticket, which they try to stop you doing changing the text >> between pages, but if you follow this through and ignore all the >> nonsense about 'suggested answers from the FAQ', you will finally be >> able to submit it. >> >> You'll get to it from the Home page via Contact us > Log an Issue > >> Ask a question. >> >> I'd be interested to know how you get on .... >> >> Hope this helps >> >> >> Robbie >> >> >> >> >> >> On 25 Feb 2009, at 14:14, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> Can anyone throw light on a problem we have been experiencing for >> the last 10 days: >> >> Frequently we find that we are unable to get mail, at the side of >> the inbox a warning triangle appears which when clicked, states as >> follows: >> "Unable to Receive Mail", followed by "There may be a problem with >> the mail server or network. Check the settings for account ?f2s? >> or >> try again." and >> "The server error encountered was: The POP server ?inmail.f2s.c >> om? >> doesn?t support X-APOP authentication. Please check your account >> settings and try again"There may be a problem with the server or >> network. Check settings" >> >> We have checked mail preferences, network settings etc. The problem >> seems to correct itself for no apparent reason and a whole lot of >> mail comes in. This problem occurs several times a day. However, we >> are always able to send mail. >> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ed and Phyll >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NMUG mailing list >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NMUG mailing list >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:33:51 +0000 > From: Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn > Subject: Re: [NMUG] Email problems > To: Norwich Mac User Group list > Message-ID: <15214566-EF38-4436-98A5-6920D3F7D003 at mendelsohn.me.uk> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Thanks Robbie, > > The authentication had 'authenticated POP' - I changed this to > 'password' and hey presto a lot of mail came in and the triangle has > gone. > > We will wait and see if the problems recurs!! > > Thanks to everyone for your suggestions. > > Phyll and Ed > > > On 25 Feb 2009, at 14:57, Robbie Murray wrote: > >> The same thing has been happening with just one of many accounts we >> have on a domain hosted by f2s - all others are fine. >> >> I suspect it's a misinterpretation of the request at the server - >> they've all recently been upgraded and there have been a few >> problems. >> >> As I'm 40 miles away from the office it's not easy to check, but >> I've instructed them to check all settings for this account as below: >> >> Click on the account in Mail preferences, and go to Advanced - the >> settings should read: >> >> Port 110 >> Authentication: Password >> SSL box should NOT be checked >> >> Other than this, there's little you can do, but if it persists, >> raise a ticket, which they try to stop you doing changing the text >> between pages, but if you follow this through and ignore all the >> nonsense about 'suggested answers from the FAQ', you will finally be >> able to submit it. >> >> You'll get to it from the Home page via Contact us > Log an Issue > >> Ask a question. >> >> I'd be interested to know how you get on .... >> >> Hope this helps >> >> >> Robbie >> >> >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:36:56 +0000 > From: Ernie Ives > Subject: Re: [NMUG] re: Email Problems > To: Norwich Mac User Group list > Message-ID: <1702D029-17C3-48CE-8E0E-C513AB25EACC at f2s.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > > Ernie Ives Marquetarian and microscopist > > I had this problem some time ago and was recommended by xxx to change > the settings viz: > > mail preferences > accounts > advanced > f2s > port 110, uncheck ssl > and use password authentication > > Haven't had the problem since then > > Best wishes > Ernie > > > > On 25 Feb 2009, at 15:25, Alan Barber wrote: > >> Yes I do mean the small triangle that appears when there are problems >> >> Regards >> >> Alan >> >> >> On 25 Feb 2009, at 14:44, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: >> >>> Thanks Alan and Brian, >>> >>> Alan, did you mean the small triangle that appears just to the >>> inbox when there are problems. Did as you suggested, no luck. >>> >>> Brian, I looked at the advanced receiving options (in Mail >>> Preferences) - nothing checked that didn't need to be. I will see >>> if I can email f2s. >>> >>> By the way we had to pick this mail up via webmail! >>> >>> Phyll and Ed >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NMUG mailing list >>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NMUG mailing list >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > End of NMUG Digest, Vol 61, Issue 42 > ************************************ From paulharrowing at waitrose.com Wed Feb 25 17:39:15 2009 From: paulharrowing at waitrose.com (Paul Harrowing) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:39:15 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Email problems In-Reply-To: <15214566-EF38-4436-98A5-6920D3F7D003@mendelsohn.me.uk> References: <50AA7081-45D1-482E-BA56-9F2D0CAC6825@mendelsohn.me.uk> <14222E98-2939-470C-8A17-A25213CB3DE7@f2s.com> <15214566-EF38-4436-98A5-6920D3F7D003@mendelsohn.me.uk> Message-ID: <47F6D0B9-122A-4765-A05E-2C265B27C3B9@waitrose.com> I'm on Waitrose and it's something which happens to me on occasions but if I click get mail everything works and the triangle disappears. I thought it was just me. PAH From paulharrowing at waitrose.com Wed Feb 25 17:53:31 2009 From: paulharrowing at waitrose.com (Paul Harrowing) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:53:31 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Safari 4 Beta Released In-Reply-To: <450F3F2F-E498-4EF9-8ECC-9F9DE2BA5B5E@btinternet.com> References: <450F3F2F-E498-4EF9-8ECC-9F9DE2BA5B5E@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <565AF693-6A05-43E0-9EA1-E18D4D59C3E2@waitrose.com> I DL'ed and installed yesterday and it seemed very sluggish at first but then sorted itself out and is OK now which is just as well as it seems to have over-written the previous install. I have not explored at all yet but find its choice of "Top Sites" a bit strange as some of them I have only been on once. If Simon finds a way of doing them manually I assume he will inform us. PAH From macman at f2s.com Wed Feb 25 17:55:05 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:55:05 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Email problems In-Reply-To: <47F6D0B9-122A-4765-A05E-2C265B27C3B9@waitrose.com> References: <50AA7081-45D1-482E-BA56-9F2D0CAC6825@mendelsohn.me.uk> <14222E98-2939-470C-8A17-A25213CB3DE7@f2s.com> <15214566-EF38-4436-98A5-6920D3F7D003@mendelsohn.me.uk> <47F6D0B9-122A-4765-A05E-2C265B27C3B9@waitrose.com> Message-ID: <76795860-23A2-4513-AC7D-8C5A68C04470@f2s.com> It's caused by the server refusing access when your mail client knocks on the front door, and can be ongoing if you have it checking at fixed intervals - it will simply loop round and round without gaining entry. If it persists, the solution is to set mail checking to manual, close & reopen the client, then Get Mail. If refused, just wait and try again, having first clicked the Triangle to dismiss it. This was the fix given to me by f2s Of course, if the server is still refusing the connection, you'll just get the same result again ...... Robbie On 25 Feb 2009, at 17:39, Paul Harrowing wrote: I'm on Waitrose and it's something which happens to me on occasions but if I click get mail everything works and the triangle disappears. I thought it was just me. PAH _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Wed Feb 25 18:01:00 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:01:00 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Safari 4 Beta Released In-Reply-To: <565AF693-6A05-43E0-9EA1-E18D4D59C3E2@waitrose.com> References: <450F3F2F-E498-4EF9-8ECC-9F9DE2BA5B5E@btinternet.com> <565AF693-6A05-43E0-9EA1-E18D4D59C3E2@waitrose.com> Message-ID: <46F5542E-4F24-4CDC-8EA5-79F73776AA9C@f2s.com> All you have to do is click 'Edit', then you can shuffle them about in order of priority and pin them in place. If you remove any, it will auto-populate with the recently viewed history. You just need to keep playing about until you're happy with the selection, then click 'Edit' again and they'll be fixed until you want to rearrange. I'm not sure I'm that excited about it, though - it seems a lot slower than using the bookmark bar, (as if the URLs are not cached) and like many others, I find the Tabs along the top a bit offputting. Robbie On 25 Feb 2009, at 17:53, Paul Harrowing wrote: I DL'ed and installed yesterday and it seemed very sluggish at first but then sorted itself out and is OK now which is just as well as it seems to have over-written the previous install. I have not explored at all yet but find its choice of "Top Sites" a bit strange as some of them I have only been on once. If Simon finds a way of doing them manually I assume he will inform us. PAH _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paulharrowing at waitrose.com Wed Feb 25 18:33:43 2009 From: paulharrowing at waitrose.com (Paul Harrowing) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:33:43 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Safari 4 Beta Released In-Reply-To: <46F5542E-4F24-4CDC-8EA5-79F73776AA9C@f2s.com> References: <450F3F2F-E498-4EF9-8ECC-9F9DE2BA5B5E@btinternet.com> <565AF693-6A05-43E0-9EA1-E18D4D59C3E2@waitrose.com> <46F5542E-4F24-4CDC-8EA5-79F73776AA9C@f2s.com> Message-ID: Thanks for that, and yes, at first I wondered where the tabs had gone. Simon has lost his place as chief nerd. PAH On 25 Feb 2009, at 18:01, Robbie Murray wrote: All you have to do is click 'Edit', then you can shuffle them about in order of priority and pin them in place. If you remove any, it will auto-populate with the recently viewed history. You just need to keep playing about until you're happy with the selection, then click 'Edit' again and they'll be fixed until you want to rearrange. I'm not sure I'm that excited about it, though - it seems a lot slower than using the bookmark bar, (as if the URLs are not cached) and like many others, I find the Tabs along the top a bit offputting. Robbie From brian at clearlight.uk.net Wed Feb 25 18:36:20 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:36:20 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Safari 4 Beta Released In-Reply-To: <46F5542E-4F24-4CDC-8EA5-79F73776AA9C@f2s.com> Message-ID: If anyone uses 1password then until that is updated (which may not be until Safari 4 comes out of beta) there is a simple change to a file inside the application package of 1Password that enables compatibility. The following note explains how to get 1Password working again although the version numbers seem to be wrong for the version I downloaded. Just double-check your new Safari version and change following the instructions. http://support.agilewebsolutions.com/showpost.php?p=57202&postcount=14 regards Brian Robbie Murray said recently: > All you have to do is click 'Edit', then you can shuffle them about in > order of priority and pin them in place. > > If you remove any, it will auto-populate with the recently viewed > history. You just need to keep playing about until you're happy with > the selection, then click 'Edit' again and they'll be fixed until you > want to rearrange. > > I'm not sure I'm that excited about it, though - it seems a lot slower > than using the bookmark bar, (as if the URLs are not cached) and like > many others, I find the Tabs along the top a bit offputting. > > Robbie > > > On 25 Feb 2009, at 17:53, Paul Harrowing wrote: > > I DL'ed and installed yesterday and it seemed very sluggish at first > but then sorted itself out and is OK now which is just as well as it > seems to have over-written the previous install. > I have not explored at all yet but find its choice of "Top Sites" a > bit strange as some of them I have only been on once. If Simon finds a > way of doing them manually I assume he will inform us. > > PAH > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Wed Feb 25 18:49:07 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 25 Feb 2009 18:49:07 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Safari 4 Beta Released In-Reply-To: <565AF693-6A05-43E0-9EA1-E18D4D59C3E2@waitrose.com> References: <565AF693-6A05-43E0-9EA1-E18D4D59C3E2@waitrose.com> Message-ID: Paul It kind of counts your page visits. Of course it will add them if you have only been there once as it is a fresh start. But the more you visit pages the less visited ones will drop off the 'top sites' list. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5 & 9.2.2 - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Feb 25 2009, Paul Harrowing wrote: I DL'ed and installed yesterday and it seemed very sluggish at first but then sorted itself out and is OK now which is just as well as it seems to have over-written the previous install. I have not explored at all yet but find its choice of "Top Sites" a bit strange as some of them I have only been on once. If Simon finds a way of doing them manually I assume he will inform us. PAH _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net Wed Feb 25 18:54:23 2009 From: Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net (Jeremy Webb) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:54:23 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Email problems In-Reply-To: <76795860-23A2-4513-AC7D-8C5A68C04470@f2s.com> References: <50AA7081-45D1-482E-BA56-9F2D0CAC6825@mendelsohn.me.uk> <14222E98-2939-470C-8A17-A25213CB3DE7@f2s.com> <15214566-EF38-4436-98A5-6920D3F7D003@mendelsohn.me.uk> <47F6D0B9-122A-4765-A05E-2C265B27C3B9@waitrose.com> <76795860-23A2-4513-AC7D-8C5A68C04470@f2s.com> Message-ID: <3130FE8A-C6D4-4579-908C-70577F8F13FE@virgin.net> Thanks for that great tip Robbie It seems there's quite a few of us having this problem - I was beginning to think it was just a Virgin thing. As for my own experience of this annoying glitch, sometimes it sorts itself out overnight, sometimes I only have to click inside the triangle and it's fixed, and once or twice at most I've gone into my advanced Mail preferences to find that somehow the mac fairies have changed my password authentication to something completely unknown to me. That one really beats me. Jeremy Webb Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net On 25 Feb 2009, at 17:55, Robbie Murray wrote: > It's caused by the server refusing access when your mail client > knocks on the front door, and can be ongoing if you have it > checking at fixed intervals - it will simply loop round and round > without gaining entry. > > If it persists, the solution is to set mail checking to manual, > close & reopen the client, then Get Mail. If refused, just wait > and try again, having first clicked the Triangle to dismiss it. > > This was the fix given to me by f2s > > Of course, if the server is still refusing the connection, you'll > just get the same result again ...... > > Robbie > > On 25 Feb 2009, at 17:39, Paul Harrowing wrote: > > I'm on Waitrose and it's something which happens to me on occasions > but if I click get mail everything works and the triangle > disappears. I thought it was just me. > > PAH > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From allan at dsol.co.uk Wed Feb 25 18:55:22 2009 From: allan at dsol.co.uk (Allan) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:55:22 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Safari 4 Beta Released In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <21C61C28-FACC-4086-8741-0E76D8D7D5A8@dsol.co.uk> 1Password 2.9.9 beta 10 works well with Safari 4. Been using both since yesreday with no problems. Allan Johns. On 25 Feb 2009, at 18:36, Brian Steere wrote: > If anyone uses 1password then until that is updated (which may not > be until > Safari 4 comes out of beta) there is a simple change to a file > inside the > application package of 1Password that enables compatibility. > The following note explains how to get 1Password working again > although the version numbers seem to be wrong for the version I > downloaded. Just double-check your new Safari version and change > following the instructions. > > http://support.agilewebsolutions.com/showpost.php?p=57202&postcount=14 > > regards > Brian > > Robbie Murray said recently: > >> All you have to do is click 'Edit', then you can shuffle them about >> in >> order of priority and pin them in place. >> >> If you remove any, it will auto-populate with the recently viewed From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Wed Feb 25 18:57:48 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 25 Feb 2009 18:57:48 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Safari Tab & Blue Loading Bar Message-ID: Hi For any Safari 4 Beta users who like it but don't like the tab being at the top or the blue loading bar missing from the address bar, you can change it. http://swedishcampground.com/safari-4-hidden-preferences In fact, there are a whole host of things you can change and revert to old stylee. Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5 & 9.2.2 - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. From rob at atvetsystems.com Wed Feb 25 19:52:12 2009 From: rob at atvetsystems.com (Robert Tillyard) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:52:12 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Safari 4 Beta Released In-Reply-To: <46F5542E-4F24-4CDC-8EA5-79F73776AA9C@f2s.com> References: <450F3F2F-E498-4EF9-8ECC-9F9DE2BA5B5E@btinternet.com> <565AF693-6A05-43E0-9EA1-E18D4D59C3E2@waitrose.com> <46F5542E-4F24-4CDC-8EA5-79F73776AA9C@f2s.com> Message-ID: <12F57C33-3A30-41AA-A93C-6A3D3BD40872@atvetsystems.com> You can switch the tabs back to Safari 3's "In Window" mode, see: http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20090224084121758 You can also manually populate the Top Sites page if you wish. Regards, Rob. On 25 Feb 2009, at 18:01, Robbie Murray wrote: > I find the Tabs along the top a bit offputting. > > Robbie From macman at f2s.com Wed Feb 25 20:25:00 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:25:00 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Safari 4 Beta Released In-Reply-To: <12F57C33-3A30-41AA-A93C-6A3D3BD40872@atvetsystems.com> References: <450F3F2F-E498-4EF9-8ECC-9F9DE2BA5B5E@btinternet.com> <565AF693-6A05-43E0-9EA1-E18D4D59C3E2@waitrose.com> <46F5542E-4F24-4CDC-8EA5-79F73776AA9C@f2s.com> <12F57C33-3A30-41AA-A93C-6A3D3BD40872@atvetsystems.com> Message-ID: <79C1C4B4-A93E-4E8C-A6C4-0467DFF53FE1@f2s.com> It's not an easy decision, though, as it certainly frees up real estate - just takes a bit of getting used to! Robbie On 25 Feb 2009, at 19:52, Robert Tillyard wrote: You can switch the tabs back to Safari 3's "In Window" mode, see: http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20090224084121758 You can also manually populate the Top Sites page if you wish. Regards, Rob. On 25 Feb 2009, at 18:01, Robbie Murray wrote: > I find the Tabs along the top a bit offputting. > > Robbie _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From rob at atvetsystems.com Wed Feb 25 21:03:28 2009 From: rob at atvetsystems.com (Robert Tillyard) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:03:28 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Safari 4 Beta Released In-Reply-To: <79C1C4B4-A93E-4E8C-A6C4-0467DFF53FE1@f2s.com> References: <450F3F2F-E498-4EF9-8ECC-9F9DE2BA5B5E@btinternet.com> <565AF693-6A05-43E0-9EA1-E18D4D59C3E2@waitrose.com> <46F5542E-4F24-4CDC-8EA5-79F73776AA9C@f2s.com> <12F57C33-3A30-41AA-A93C-6A3D3BD40872@atvetsystems.com> <79C1C4B4-A93E-4E8C-A6C4-0467DFF53FE1@f2s.com> Message-ID: <78D4AB40-0504-4051-A454-C16763691286@atvetsystems.com> It's undoable. If the command to set it is defaults write com.apple.Safari DebugSafari4TabBarIsOnTop -bool FALSE Then you can put it back with defaults write com.apple.Safari DebugSafari4TabBarIsOnTop -bool TRUE Regards, Rob. On 25 Feb 2009, at 20:25, Robbie Murray wrote: > It's not an easy decision, though, as it certainly frees up real > estate - just takes a bit of getting used to! > > Robbie From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Wed Feb 25 22:46:14 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 25 Feb 2009 22:46:14 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Still Slow Stream/FaceBook Message-ID: Hi I am still battling with some oddities with my PowerBook G4. On the whole it is pretty fast and the rest of the internet nips along at a fast pace. Flash based video sites like YouTube and some others offer choppy playback - YouTube being one of the better ones. Also whilst playing games on FaceBook (like Bowling) animation is very jerky. I have checked Activity Monitor and nothing unusual there. I have slimmed out everything in my start up items. I did have DropBox and FMenu running and dropping these has helped a little. The only thing I have active on start up is Growl. I have also done it on a fresh boot, before running anything else except the browser. I then thought maybe it was because I upgraded from 10.4 to 10.5 - so a few weeks ago I did a completely fresh install, still no improvement. I have tried Firefox 3, Firefox 3 G4 optimised edition, Camino, Safari, Cruz and Stainless. I am currently using Safari 4 Beta and it is better, animations are a little quicker but still very choppy. I was putting this down to my Mac being a bit old and Leopard straining it a bit, however I have talked to a couple of other G4 867Mhz owners who are running Leopard and they don't experience this problem. The hard drive is a newish one - an 80GB 5400RPM - so not the original drive. After a few months of this problem I am beginning to run out of steam on this one so would love to resolve this. I am almost tempted to resize my partition and create a small one for 10.4 to see if it happens under this. I know I have asked this before, but I have tried a few new steps and still cannot get to the bottom of it. Anyone have any fresh ideas? Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User Group - Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5 & 9.2.2 - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. From ricnev at mac.com Wed Feb 25 22:59:57 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:59:57 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Tonight's meeting Message-ID: <25DC9C4D-249A-4048-AB64-5272A504B97F@mac.com> Great to have met you all tonight. After having recently moved from North Kent (I was a member of the NKACC) I was hoping to find another good, friendly computer club with similar interests close to my new home in North Norfolk. I think I have found it. Sorry to have swilled the beer about so messily, though. As you can see, my MBP has survived. Looking forward to next month already. Richard. From hidunc at ntlworld.com Wed Feb 25 23:56:33 2009 From: hidunc at ntlworld.com (J L Duncan Bradford) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 23:56:33 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] email probs Message-ID: <8432CB61-8B8D-4D19-9380-792D1E57F86C@ntlworld.com> I have a similar thing - the email doesn't come through, then I notice the triangle, click on it once, and the damgates open. This is on virgin at home, and good old Netcom at work. More annoyingly, about one time in 4, when I click to get mail, or sometimes when it fetches it automatically, it asks for a password. This flummoxes me, and also my boss at work, as we have never had to do this before, and it won't accept any passwords we put in. In the end, pressing cancel and retrying usually works. All this happened when I updated to OS 10.4.11. I think I'm going to revert, as none of the machines I've updated likes it, and several other things don't work the same. Didn't use the same updater on all the machines, either, so its not that. -------------- next part -------------- From macman at f2s.com Thu Feb 26 00:16:43 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 00:16:43 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] email probs In-Reply-To: <8432CB61-8B8D-4D19-9380-792D1E57F86C@ntlworld.com> References: <8432CB61-8B8D-4D19-9380-792D1E57F86C@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <39FC9D99-7D96-44C8-A5B5-9051026AC742@f2s.com> Asking for passwords is all part & parcel of the server rejection I mentioned earlier. 9 times out of 10 it's a server problem rather than anything amiss at your end. Robbie On 25 Feb 2009, at 23:56, J L Duncan Bradford wrote: I have a similar thing - the email doesn't come through, then I notice the triangle, click on it once, and the damgates open. This is on virgin at home, and good old Netcom at work. More annoyingly, about one time in 4, when I click to get mail, or sometimes when it fetches it automatically, it asks for a password. This flummoxes me, and also my boss at work, as we have never had to do this before, and it won't accept any passwords we put in. In the end, pressing cancel and retrying usually works. All this happened when I updated to OS 10.4.11. I think I'm going to revert, as none of the machines I've updated likes it, and several other things don't work the same. Didn't use the same updater on all the machines, either, so its not that. _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu Feb 26 10:05:45 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:05:45 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Apple Software/Family Packs/Mac Box Set Message-ID: <4DAF0B0A-4C82-4F39-8576-1A75359A0D85@durrant.co.uk> At the meeting, someone said that the "family packs" of apple software were now less than twice the cost of the single user copy. I've just checked, and found this is true. Excellent news for those with more than two users in the house. The iWork and iLife family packs are particularly good value, just ?16 more than the single user copies. (?85 to ?69) The Mac OS X Leopard family pack isn't such a good deal, but still better than I'd thought. ?43 more for the family pack (?126 to ?83). Apple also do a "box set" of Leopard, iLife '09 and iWork '09. This is ?50 more for the family pack. (?199 to ?149). So - even if there are only two Mac users in your household, the family packs are worth getting if you want to be licensed properly for your Apple software. Playing with the figures, you can come up with a silly "saving" figure, for a family of five all upgrading to Leopard, iLife '09 and iWork '09, of ?906, or a saving of 82% of the total individual retail pricing. But for those who have already have bought a Leopard family pack (like me), it turns out that the "box set" isn't worth getting. The iLife '09 and iWork '09 family packs cost ?85 each, and the family box set costs ?199. Hmm... unless I was to sell on the Leopard family pack, of course. I'll have to think about that. Paul From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Thu Feb 26 10:50:46 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 26 Feb 2009 10:50:46 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Non Destructive Partitioning Message-ID: Hi I want to repartition my hard drive. I currently have an 80GB drive (or 74.5GB as it shows up in OSX as), split into two. 73GB for Leopard and 1GB for OS9. I want to add a third partition for Tiger - only a small 3GB one, taking Leopard down to 70GB. I have used iPartition before on a number of occasions successfully, via Target Mode on another Mac, but I don't own iPartition (it was a friends Mac - who I have lost contact with). I Googled it this morning and aparently as of 10.4.6 you can do it using Terminal, but it looks a bit scarey. Is there any other program you can do it with? Simon --- Visit http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - http://www.nmug.org.uk... Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5 & 9.2.2... The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. From rob at atvetsystems.com Thu Feb 26 10:59:15 2009 From: rob at atvetsystems.com (Robert Tillyard) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:59:15 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Non Destructive Partitioning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can do this in disk utility can't you? Just drag the end of the partition up. Regards, Rob. On 26 Feb 2009, at 10:50, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi > > I want to repartition my hard drive. > > I currently have an 80GB drive (or 74.5GB as it shows up in OSX as), > split into two. 73GB for Leopard and 1GB for OS9. > > I want to add a third partition for Tiger - only a small 3GB one, > taking Leopard down to 70GB. > > I have used iPartition before on a number of occasions successfully, > via Target Mode on another Mac, but I don't own iPartition (it was a > friends Mac - who I have lost contact with). > > I Googled it this morning and aparently as of 10.4.6 you can do it > using Terminal, but it looks a bit scarey. Is there any other > program you can do it with? > > Simon From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Thu Feb 26 11:16:31 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 26 Feb 2009 11:16:31 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Non Destructive Partitioning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Robert Is this destructive or non-destructive. With iPartition you can do it without messing up your current installations. Just resize them - ie smaller - and then use the free space to create a new partition. Not sure whether you can do this with Disk Utility. Simon --- Visit http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - http://www.nmug.org.uk... Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5 & 9.2.2... The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Feb 26 2009, Robert Tillyard wrote: You can do this in disk utility can't you? Just drag the end of the partition up. Regards, Rob. On 26 Feb 2009, at 10:50, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi > > I want to repartition my hard drive. > > I currently have an 80GB drive (or 74.5GB as it shows up in OSX as), > split into two. 73GB for Leopard and 1GB for OS9. > > I want to add a third partition for Tiger - only a small 3GB one, > taking Leopard down to 70GB. > > I have used iPartition before on a number of occasions successfully, > via Target Mode on another Mac, but I don't own iPartition (it was a > friends Mac - who I have lost contact with). > > I Googled it this morning and aparently as of 10.4.6 you can do it > using Terminal, but it looks a bit scarey. Is there any other > program you can do it with? > > Simon _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From munkt0n at gmail.com Thu Feb 26 11:45:09 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:45:09 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Non Destructive Partitioning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: gparted might be worth a try - http://gparted.sourceforge.net/ you can make a bootable CD version, not sure if it supports HFS+, and I've got no idea what kind of filesystem OS 9 uses. On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi > > I want to repartition my hard drive. > > I currently have an 80GB drive (or 74.5GB as it shows up in OSX as), split > into two. 73GB for Leopard and 1GB for OS9. > > I want to add a third partition for Tiger - only a small 3GB one, taking > Leopard down to 70GB. > > I have used iPartition before on a number of occasions successfully, via > Target Mode on another Mac, but I don't own iPartition (it was a friends Mac > - who I have lost contact with). > > I Googled it this morning and aparently as of 10.4.6 you can do it using > Terminal, but it looks a bit scarey. Is there any other program you can do > it with? > > Simon > > --- > Visit http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - http://www.nmug.org.uk... > > Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5 & > 9.2.2... > > The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- :wq From jeremyknight at mac.com Thu Feb 26 12:15:12 2009 From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 12:15:12 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Non Destructive Partitioning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Simon, from my limited knowledge I always understood that you cannot introduce a partition without erasing the others and therefore the information on them. I would not consider anything other than doing a backup,then reformat to 3 partitions. jeremy On 26 Feb 2009, at 10:50, Simon Royal wrote: > Hi > > I want to repartition my hard drive. > > I currently have an 80GB drive (or 74.5GB as it shows up in OSX > as), split into two. 73GB for Leopard and 1GB for OS9. > > I want to add a third partition for Tiger - only a small 3GB one, > taking Leopard down to 70GB. > > I have used iPartition before on a number of occasions > successfully, via Target Mode on another Mac, but I don't own > iPartition (it was a friends Mac - who I have lost contact with). > > I Googled it this morning and aparently as of 10.4.6 you can do it > using Terminal, but it looks a bit scarey. Is there any other > program you can do it with? > > Simon > > --- > Visit http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - http://www.nmug.org.uk... > > Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX > 10.5 & 9.2.2... > > The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From brian at clearlight.uk.net Thu Feb 26 12:21:02 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 12:21:02 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Non Destructive Partitioning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I believe Leopard DU can nondestructively repartition but it would still be foolish to do so without full backups of what is on the HD. Drive Genius is another tool. For anyone who also is offering Mac support - it is well worth having the major utilities in one's toolbox. It extends immensely the support you can offer. all the best Brian Scott Matthews said recently: > gparted might be worth a try - http://gparted.sourceforge.net/ > > you can make a bootable CD version, not sure if it supports HFS+, and > I've got no idea what kind of filesystem OS 9 uses. > > On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Simon Royal wrote: >> Hi >> >> I want to repartition my hard drive. >> >> I currently have an 80GB drive (or 74.5GB as it shows up in OSX as), split >> into two. 73GB for Leopard and 1GB for OS9. >> >> I want to add a third partition for Tiger - only a small 3GB one, taking >> Leopard down to 70GB. >> >> I have used iPartition before on a number of occasions successfully, via >> Target Mode on another Mac, but I don't own iPartition (it was a friends Mac >> - who I have lost contact with). >> >> I Googled it this morning and aparently as of 10.4.6 you can do it using >> Terminal, but it looks a bit scarey. Is there any other program you can do >> it with? >> >> Simon >> >> --- >> Visit http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - http://www.nmug.org.uk... >> >> Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5 & >> 9.2.2... >> >> The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NMUG mailing list >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > From ricnev at mac.com Thu Feb 26 16:54:25 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:54:25 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] External Firewire HDD Enclosures Message-ID: At the meeting on Wednesday we discussed how difficult it was to obtain external firewire hard drive enclosures these days. I've just had a browse around and came across these: http://www.storagedepot.co.uk/Hard-Drive-Cases/sc884/p216.aspx I can't see anything in the spec confirming Mac compatibility, but then I cant see anything saying they won't work, either. I can't find a Pluscom website to interrogate. The enclosures do look like they have been designed with cheesegratery desktop Macs in mind, so at least they will look right on one's desk, even if they don't say hello to the Mac properly. Richard. From macman at f2s.com Thu Feb 26 17:29:47 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:29:47 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] External Firewire HDD Enclosures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not hard if you know where to look! I have 2 from the people below - much cheaper than anywhere else. Mine are dual interface IDE/SATA, which appear to be out of stock, but the IDE ones are available. Amazon have the IDE/SATA - http://tinyurl.com/dkcbme No compatibility problem - 2 minutes to pop drive in, and you're in business! Hope this helps. Robbie On 26 Feb 2009, at 16:54, Richard Nevill wrote: At the meeting on Wednesday we discussed how difficult it was to obtain external firewire hard drive enclosures these days. I've just had a browse around and came across these: http://www.storagedepot.co.uk/Hard-Drive-Cases/sc884/p216.aspx I can't see anything in the spec confirming Mac compatibility, but then I cant see anything saying they won't work, either. I can't find a Pluscom website to interrogate. The enclosures do look like they have been designed with cheesegratery desktop Macs in mind, so at least they will look right on one's desk, even if they don't say hello to the Mac properly. Richard. _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Thu Feb 26 17:36:18 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:36:18 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] External Firewire HDD Enclosures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Silly me! forgot the first URL: http://tinyurl.com/pctradeshopcaddy Not hard if you know where to look! I have 2 from the people below - much cheaper than anywhere else. Mine are dual interface IDE/SATA, which appear to be out of stock, but the IDE ones are available. Amazon have the IDE/SATA - http://tinyurl.com/dkcbme No compatibility problem - 2 minutes to pop drive in, and you're in business! Hope this helps. Robbie On 26 Feb 2009, at 16:54, Richard Nevill wrote: At the meeting on Wednesday we discussed how difficult it was to obtain external firewire hard drive enclosures these days. I've just had a browse around and came across these: http://www.storagedepot.co.uk/Hard-Drive-Cases/sc884/p216.aspx I can't see anything in the spec confirming Mac compatibility, but then I cant see anything saying they won't work, either. I can't find a Pluscom website to interrogate. The enclosures do look like they have been designed with cheesegratery desktop Macs in mind, so at least they will look right on one's desk, even if they don't say hello to the Mac properly. Richard. _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paulharrowing at waitrose.com Thu Feb 26 18:03:00 2009 From: paulharrowing at waitrose.com (Paul Harrowing) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:03:00 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Non Destructive Partitioning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It certainly looks as if you can partition the drive non destructively in Disk Utility. PAH From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu Feb 26 19:16:28 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:16:28 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] External Firewire HDD Enclosures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <374E3578-5DE2-4CFE-A49B-C886EA0DA52E@durrant.co.uk> http://www.etradehouse.com/ also has Pluscom stuff, possibly a pound or two cheaper - but watch the p&p. For a single enclosure, the Amazon links seems good, as the p&p is low. Paul On 26 Feb 2009, at 17:36, Robbie Murray wrote: > Silly me! > > forgot the first URL: > > http://tinyurl.com/pctradeshopcaddy > > > > > > Not hard if you know where to look! > > I have 2 from the people below - much cheaper than anywhere else. > > Mine are dual interface IDE/SATA, which appear to be out of stock, > but the IDE ones are available. > > Amazon have the IDE/SATA - > > http://tinyurl.com/dkcbme > > No compatibility problem - 2 minutes to pop drive in, and you're in > business! > > Hope this helps. > > Robbie > > > > On 26 Feb 2009, at 16:54, Richard Nevill wrote: > > At the meeting on Wednesday we discussed how difficult it was to > obtain external firewire hard drive enclosures these days. > > I've just had a browse around and came across these: > > http://www.storagedepot.co.uk/Hard-Drive-Cases/sc884/p216.aspx > > I can't see anything in the spec confirming Mac compatibility, but > then I cant see anything saying they won't work, either. I can't > find a Pluscom website to interrogate. > > The enclosures do look like they have been designed with > cheesegratery desktop Macs in mind, so at least they will look > right on one's desk, even if they don't say hello to the Mac properly. > > > Richard. > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From macman at f2s.com Thu Feb 26 19:33:10 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 19:33:10 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] External Firewire HDD Enclosures In-Reply-To: <374E3578-5DE2-4CFE-A49B-C886EA0DA52E@durrant.co.uk> References: <374E3578-5DE2-4CFE-A49B-C886EA0DA52E@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Methinks the pctradeshop and etradehouse sites look remarkably (or suspiciously) similar! Robbie On 26 Feb 2009, at 19:16, Paul Durrant wrote: http://www.etradehouse.com/ also has Pluscom stuff, possibly a pound or two cheaper - but watch the p&p. For a single enclosure, the Amazon links seems good, as the p&p is low. Paul On 26 Feb 2009, at 17:36, Robbie Murray wrote: > Silly me! > > forgot the first URL: > > http://tinyurl.com/pctradeshopcaddy > > > > > > Not hard if you know where to look! > > I have 2 from the people below - much cheaper than anywhere else. > > Mine are dual interface IDE/SATA, which appear to be out of stock, > but the IDE ones are available. > > Amazon have the IDE/SATA - > > http://tinyurl.com/dkcbme > > No compatibility problem - 2 minutes to pop drive in, and you're in > business! > > Hope this helps. > > Robbie > > > > On 26 Feb 2009, at 16:54, Richard Nevill wrote: > > At the meeting on Wednesday we discussed how difficult it was to > obtain external firewire hard drive enclosures these days. > > I've just had a browse around and came across these: > > http://www.storagedepot.co.uk/Hard-Drive-Cases/sc884/p216.aspx > > I can't see anything in the spec confirming Mac compatibility, but > then I cant see anything saying they won't work, either. I can't > find a Pluscom website to interrogate. > > The enclosures do look like they have been designed with > cheesegratery desktop Macs in mind, so at least they will look > right on one's desk, even if they don't say hello to the Mac properly. > > > Richard. > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From brian at clearlight.uk.net Thu Feb 26 20:30:15 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:30:15 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Non Destructive Partitioning In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well I've read about it being part of Leopard's feature set - though I can't recall where. It's only bringing in a feature that 3rd party software has been offering for a while. BUT - if a power outage or other untoward accident occurred while it was in process it could still be catastrophic. I haven't had need to do it but might try it on a Tiger partition that I might just need which I could strip down and reclaim the space for loads of stuff that I fill up my drives with. all the best Brian Paul Harrowing said recently: > It certainly looks as if you can partition the drive non destructively > in Disk Utility. > > PAH > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Thu Feb 26 20:54:26 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 26 Feb 2009 20:54:26 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Non Destructive Partitioning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi I decided to do it properly in the end. I hooked my Mac up to my sons eMac via Target Mode. Cloned my Leopard installation from my PowerBook to an image on the eMac desktop using SuperDuper. I did the same for OS9. Then I used Disk Utility on the eMac to partition the PowerBook into 3. 70GB for Leopard, 4GB for Tiger and 1GB for OS9. Once created I then cloned the Leopard and OS9 images back to their respective partitions and then installed Tiger on the third partition. It is all working lovely. Simon --- Visit http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - http://www.nmug.org.uk... Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5 & 9.2.2... The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. On Feb 26 2009, Brian Steere wrote: Well I've read about it being part of Leopard's feature set - though I can't recall where. It's only bringing in a feature that 3rd party software has been offering for a while. BUT - if a power outage or other untoward accident occurred while it was in process it could still be catastrophic. I haven't had need to do it but might try it on a Tiger partition that I might just need which I could strip down and reclaim the space for loads of stuff that I fill up my drives with. all the best Brian Paul Harrowing said recently: > It certainly looks as if you can partition the drive non destructively > in Disk Utility. > > PAH > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _______________________________________________ NMUG mailing list NMUG at durrant.co.uk http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From h.tamplin at btinternet.com Thu Feb 26 21:21:57 2009 From: h.tamplin at btinternet.com (Heather Tamplin) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:21:57 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] wanted - Message-ID: <2AB979EB-CF0B-4BE7-B262-A70A624F67F8@btinternet.com> Hi NMUG, Has someone in the group has an emac or G4 with monitor pref. over 1ghz that they no longer need ? I know a really talented lad who is trying to get his life back on track and it would help him get his portfolio together before applying to Norwich Art school to do Visual studies BA - He was going to have (for free) my daughters Flower Power imac but when we got it to his house it refused to boot up and though I have run Disk warrior and Techtool pro neither can fix it. I can collect thanks to all Heather From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu Feb 26 21:34:14 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:34:14 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] wanted - In-Reply-To: <2AB979EB-CF0B-4BE7-B262-A70A624F67F8@btinternet.com> References: <2AB979EB-CF0B-4BE7-B262-A70A624F67F8@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <3BE42CC1-3A90-4F70-A8BA-789E8CF00461@durrant.co.uk> A Flower Power iMac? Wow, they're rare. Sorry I can't help with the spare machine. Paul On 26 Feb 2009, at 21:21, Heather Tamplin wrote: > He was going to have (for free) my daughters Flower Power imac but > when we got it to his house it refused to boot up and though I have > run Disk warrior and Techtool pro neither can fix it. From sc at davidviner.com Thu Feb 26 21:37:28 2009 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:37:28 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] wanted - In-Reply-To: <2AB979EB-CF0B-4BE7-B262-A70A624F67F8@btinternet.com> References: <2AB979EB-CF0B-4BE7-B262-A70A624F67F8@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <49A70B98.1020708@davidviner.com> Regarding the iMac, have you tried working through this list: http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1411 If that doesn't work then just Google for "imac won't boot up" - here's another one: http://creativetechs.com/tipsblog/my-mac-wont-start-a-tiny-guide/ I've got an ancient iMac that wouldn't start a couple of times - if I remember correctly, I needed to dismantle it and reset the CMOS by pressing a small black button on the motherboard. David Heather Tamplin wrote: > Hi NMUG, > > Has someone in the group has an emac or G4 with monitor pref. over > 1ghz that they no longer need ? > > I know a really talented lad who is trying to get his life back on track > and it would help him get his portfolio together > before applying to Norwich Art school to do Visual studies BA - > > He was going to have (for free) my daughters Flower Power imac but > when we got it to his house it refused to boot up and though I have > run Disk warrior and Techtool pro neither can fix it. > > I can collect > > thanks to all > > > Heather > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From h.tamplin at btinternet.com Thu Feb 26 21:50:41 2009 From: h.tamplin at btinternet.com (Heather Tamplin) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:50:41 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] wanted - In-Reply-To: <49A70B98.1020708@davidviner.com> References: <2AB979EB-CF0B-4BE7-B262-A70A624F67F8@btinternet.com> <49A70B98.1020708@davidviner.com> Message-ID: <55927C0E-4AA4-4FCF-B18D-7BABF55BD27F@btinternet.com> havent tried that - though have reset pram using keyboard a couple of times - well it chimed twice but still couldnt boot up, system disc cant find HD to reinstall onto - it feels terminal ( well without spending out on parts or technician or both) - it crashed when resetting date and time. As it had been reverting back to 1970? the pram battery was replaced but it didnt cure the problem - would this be same as finding black button -? its sad as it has been a great and beautiful Mac - also sad as it would be good to help someone who needs a bit of suppport. Heather On 26 Feb 2009, at 21:37, David Viner wrote: > Regarding the iMac, have you tried working through this list: > > http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1411 > > If that doesn't work then just Google for "imac won't boot up" - > here's another one: > > http://creativetechs.com/tipsblog/my-mac-wont-start-a-tiny-guide/ > > I've got an ancient iMac that wouldn't start a couple of times - if > I remember correctly, I needed to dismantle it and reset the CMOS > by pressing a small black button on the motherboard. > David > > > Heather Tamplin wrote: >> Hi NMUG, >> >> Has someone in the group has an emac or G4 with monitor pref. >> over 1ghz that they no longer need ? >> >> I know a really talented lad who is trying to get his life back on >> track >> and it would help him get his portfolio together >> before applying to Norwich Art school to do Visual studies BA - >> >> He was going to have (for free) my daughters Flower Power imac but >> when we got it to his house it refused to boot up and though I >> have run Disk warrior and Techtool pro neither can fix it. >> >> I can collect >> >> thanks to all >> >> >> Heather >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NMUG mailing list >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Heather Tamplin www.heathertamplin.co.uk "Art is the only way to run away without leaving home." Twyla Tharp From h.tamplin at btinternet.com Thu Feb 26 21:51:30 2009 From: h.tamplin at btinternet.com (Heather Tamplin) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:51:30 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] wanted - In-Reply-To: <3BE42CC1-3A90-4F70-A8BA-789E8CF00461@durrant.co.uk> References: <2AB979EB-CF0B-4BE7-B262-A70A624F67F8@btinternet.com> <3BE42CC1-3A90-4F70-A8BA-789E8CF00461@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <0DB41361-E3AD-40C8-90C8-9227187092D0@btinternet.com> It is now a beautiful ornament! Heather On 26 Feb 2009, at 21:34, Paul Durrant wrote: > A Flower Power iMac? Wow, they're rare. > > Sorry I can't help with the spare machine. > > Paul > > On 26 Feb 2009, at 21:21, Heather Tamplin wrote: > >> He was going to have (for free) my daughters Flower Power imac but >> when we got it to his house it refused to boot up and though I >> have run Disk warrior and Techtool pro neither can fix it. > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Heather Tamplin www.heathertamplin.co.uk "Art is the only way to run away without leaving home." Twyla Tharp From sc at davidviner.com Thu Feb 26 22:11:17 2009 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 22:11:17 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] wanted - In-Reply-To: <55927C0E-4AA4-4FCF-B18D-7BABF55BD27F@btinternet.com> References: <2AB979EB-CF0B-4BE7-B262-A70A624F67F8@btinternet.com> <49A70B98.1020708@davidviner.com> <55927C0E-4AA4-4FCF-B18D-7BABF55BD27F@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <49A71385.6030709@davidviner.com> Might be worth testing if the hard disk has died by pulling it out and popping in an old spare one and seeing if that is recognised - or has that been tried? I've got a few ancient hard disks around (3 to 17GB) if you haven't got one and are local to me (I'm in Thorpe St Andrew). Heather Tamplin wrote: > havent tried that - though have reset pram using keyboard a couple of > times - well it chimed twice but still couldnt boot up, system disc > cant find HD to reinstall onto - > > it feels terminal ( well without spending out on parts or technician > or both) > > - it crashed when resetting date and time. > As it had been reverting back to 1970? the pram battery was replaced > but it didnt cure the problem - would this be same as finding black > button -? > > its sad as it has been a great and beautiful Mac - also sad as it > would be good to help someone who needs a bit of suppport. > > Heather > On 26 Feb 2009, at 21:37, David Viner wrote: > >> Regarding the iMac, have you tried working through this list: >> >> http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1411 >> >> If that doesn't work then just Google for "imac won't boot up" - >> here's another one: >> >> http://creativetechs.com/tipsblog/my-mac-wont-start-a-tiny-guide/ >> >> I've got an ancient iMac that wouldn't start a couple of times - if I >> remember correctly, I needed to dismantle it and reset the CMOS by >> pressing a small black button on the motherboard. >> David >> >> >> Heather Tamplin wrote: >>> Hi NMUG, >>> >>> Has someone in the group has an emac or G4 with monitor pref. over >>> 1ghz that they no longer need ? >>> >>> I know a really talented lad who is trying to get his life back on >>> track >>> and it would help him get his portfolio together >>> before applying to Norwich Art school to do Visual studies BA - >>> >>> He was going to have (for free) my daughters Flower Power imac but >>> when we got it to his house it refused to boot up and though I have >>> run Disk warrior and Techtool pro neither can fix it. >>> >>> I can collect >>> >>> thanks to all >>> >>> >>> Heather >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NMUG mailing list >>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> NMUG mailing list >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > Heather Tamplin > > www.heathertamplin.co.uk > > "Art is the only way to run away without leaving home." > Twyla Tharp > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NMUG mailing list > NMUG at durrant.co.uk > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Fri Feb 27 00:15:57 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 27 Feb 2009 00:15:57 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Flash Video/FaceBook Choppy Still... Help Message-ID: Hi I know some of you have been following my problems so I thought I would share my latest discovery. I have been having Flash based website problems. Choppy and bad playback of video based sites like YouTube and games on FaceBook like Bowling are dreadfully slow. I have had a lot of suggestions, but still no joy. A brief summary of what I have tried so far. 1. Cleaned out login items - I have nothing running but Growl. 2. Checked Activity Monitor - nothing unusual. 3. Used just about every browser around - including Safari 4 Beta. 4. Up dated Flash and Java and ran Software Update to ensure everything is up to date. 5. Did a fresh install of Leopard (I originally did an upgrade from Tiger). 6. Repaired permissions and checked disc for errors. It improved slightly with the above but not to the point of being useable. Today I cloned my Leopard to another Mac. Wiped my hard drive added another partition, then cloned Leopard back. On the newly created partition I installed Tiger and all the updates. This made no difference. I thought it might have been Leopard stressing my Mac out too much, but the same happens under Tiger. It is not my internet connection as my wife has a 2Ghz Windows laptop - which doesn't have these problems and my kids have 800Mhz eMacs running Tiger and these don't stutter. I know others with an 867Mhz Titanium running Leopard and they do not have this problem so it is not a hardware limitation. The 867Mhz Titanium has a 32MB video card whereas the 1Ghz model released around the same time has the 64MB video card - but as other 867Mhz users don't have this problem it is not down to that. Any ideas? I really need to resolve this. Simon --- Visit http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - http://www.nmug.org.uk... Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5 & 9.2.2... The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Fri Feb 27 00:43:33 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 27 Feb 2009 00:43:33 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Flash Video/FaceBook Choppy Still... Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi OK. Now I am even more stumped. I thought I would try turning off wireless and connecting to my router via ethernet - to see if it was a wireless issue. I went to a Flash video site (not YouTube) and it spluttered for the first few seconds then played very smooth, like it should be. Great! I thought I had solved it. Out of curiousity, I paused the video, took out the ethernet cable and turned on wireless again - with my PowerBook only a foot away from the router and the video played fine still. So I thought maybe my signal was poor where I normally sit in my dining room - although it always shows full signal strength. So I went back to my seat in my dining room and started the video again - no problems - played fine - tried a different video on the site and that played fine too. So what gives. I have had this problem every day, at varying times through out the day since I bought the PowerBook about 4 months ago - this has never worked properly before. For info: my dining room is 30 foot across from my router and a floor down (through two door ways). I am not using an Apple Airport card. I am using a Buffalo G54 PCMCIA card, that is detected as an Airport Extreme card and being external doesn't suffer from the poor signal strength of the original Airport card caused by the titanium casing. What is going on? Simon --- Hi I know some of you have been following my problems so I thought I would share my latest discovery. I have been having Flash based website problems. Choppy and bad playback of video based sites like YouTube and games on FaceBook like Bowling are dreadfully slow. I have had a lot of suggestions, but still no joy. A brief summary of what I have tried so far. 1. Cleaned out login items - I have nothing running but Growl. 2. Checked Activity Monitor - nothing unusual. 3. Used just about every browser around - including Safari 4 Beta. 4. Up dated Flash and Java and ran Software Update to ensure everything is up to date. 5. Did a fresh install of Leopard (I originally did an upgrade from Tiger). 6. Repaired permissions and checked disc for errors. It improved slightly with the above but not to the point of being useable. Today I cloned my Leopard to another Mac. Wiped my hard drive added another partition, then cloned Leopard back. On the newly created partition I installed Tiger and all the updates. This made no difference. I thought it might have been Leopard stressing my Mac out too much, but the same happens under Tiger. It is not my internet connection as my wife has a 2Ghz Windows laptop - which doesn't have these problems and my kids have 800Mhz eMacs running Tiger and these don't stutter. I know others with an 867Mhz Titanium running Leopard and they do not have this problem so it is not a hardware limitation. The 867Mhz Titanium has a 32MB video card whereas the 1Ghz model released around the same time has the 64MB video card - but as other 867Mhz users don't have this problem it is not down to that. Any ideas? I really need to resolve this. Simon From griffy04 at mac.com Fri Feb 27 02:38:36 2009 From: griffy04 at mac.com (David Griffiths) Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 02:38:36 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Safari 4 beta tabbed pages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If like me, you prefer the old style of tabbed pages, rather than the new style with them very wide and right on top, then check out the link below http://observationpoint.org/articles/2009/02/24/disable-tabs-on-top-feature-of-safari-4-0-public-beta/ A simple terminal command and you can have your cake and eat it :-) Old style tabbed pages, new safari 4 speeeeeeeeeed Sorry if this has already been mentioned Griffy From mail at simonroyal.co.uk Sat Feb 28 11:34:39 2009 From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: 28 Feb 2009 11:34:39 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Website Promotion Message-ID: Hi I am actively promoting my website all over the place and it is proving worth it. Traffic is up 65% from this time last year, pulling in around 3000 hits per month and a 60% return rate. I know this isn't a mammoth amount but it is going up all the time. I am adding new content all the time to keep it fresh and just revised the look of it. Reciprocal links seem to be helping from sites like LowEndMac and the NMUG website and others who I have swapped links with. If you would like to swap links please let me know - the more the merrier or if you have any ideas on increasing traffic let me know. Regards Simon --- Visit http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - http://www.nmug.org.uk... Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5 & 9.2.2... The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple Mac. From david at vanedwards.co.uk Sat Feb 28 19:03:27 2009 From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:03:27 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iMac offered Message-ID: Dear All Anyone want a blueberry iMac, good working order, OSX installed, and sundry keyboards? Offers? Best wishes, David -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk From sc at davidviner.com Sat Feb 28 19:12:21 2009 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:12:21 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iMac offered In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49A98C95.2020903@davidviner.com> Hi David I think Heather may like this for her friend (see her "Wanted" email of the 26th Feb). What are the keyboards you've got? I picked up an eMac a couple of weeks ago that came without a keyboard - I'm currently using a spare PC keyboard but would like to get hold of one of the better Mac keyboards for it (i.e. not the usual one that comes with an older iMac but one where the cursor keys are are in their own separate block like a normal PC keyboard). David Viner David Van Edwards wrote: > Dear All > > Anyone want a blueberry iMac, good working order, OSX installed, and > sundry keyboards? > > Offers? > > Best wishes, > > David > >