From simonroyal at live.co.uk Tue Dec 1 00:34:56 2009 From: simonroyal at live.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 00:34:56 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Power Of Windows Message-ID: Hi. As you all know I have made some pretty astonishing claims for such a once ardent Mac fan, but I am tired of the Mac fight and today arrived a temporary replacement for my PowerBook. It is a Samsung A10 - kitted with a Duron 1.1Ghz processor, only 384MB of RAM, DVD drive and only 16MB shared video RAM. It came with 10GB hd installed but was also packed with a 30gb and 60gb hd, so I quickly swapped out the 10GB for the 60GB. Considering it's low specs and low RAM and low video RAM it performs very well. I tried the usual like YouTube and games on FaceBook and it handles them fine, something my 867Mhz G4 PowerBook with 1GB of RAM struggled with. With a bit more RAM it would fly along. I know a lot of you think I am mad and will probably be back in a few months, but my budget really doesn't cater for the expense of a Mac anymore. Not only that, with most things being online based, it is becoming more and more irrelevant what OS you are using and more important what browser you are using. I will stay on the NMUG for a little longer, as I still have my PowerBook for now, but once it has gone there will be no need and I shall say goodbye. Simon Royal --- Catch me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal or Skype: Simon-Royal _________________________________________________________________ Have more than one Hotmail account? Link them together to easily access both http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394591/direct/01/ From ferrers_young at hotmail.com Tue Dec 1 02:00:59 2009 From: ferrers_young at hotmail.com (Ferrers Young) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 02:00:59 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Power Of Windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Glad you are happy on the "dark side"... if it does the biz for you... Interested how you've replaced your AppleScrpits on uncle Bill's machine?? Also what flavour of Windah?s does it run? The big question: have you escaped the glossy screen? Ferrers (G3 iMac DV+ & G5 iMac) ---------------------------------------- > From: simonroyal at live.co.uk > To: nmug at nmug.org.uk > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 00:34:56 +0000 > Subject: [NMUG] Power Of Windows > > > Hi. > > As you all know I have made some pretty astonishing claims for such a once ardent Mac fan, but I am tired of the Mac fight and today arrived a temporary replacement for my PowerBook. > > It is a Samsung A10 - kitted with a Duron 1.1Ghz processor, only 384MB of RAM, DVD drive and only 16MB shared video RAM. It came with 10GB hd installed but was also packed with a 30gb and 60gb hd, so I quickly swapped out the 10GB for the 60GB. > > Considering it's low specs and low RAM and low video RAM it performs very well. I tried the usual like YouTube and games on FaceBook and it handles them fine, something my 867Mhz G4 PowerBook with 1GB of RAM struggled with. > > With a bit more RAM it would fly along. > > I know a lot of you think I am mad and will probably be back in a few months, but my budget really doesn't cater for the expense of a Mac anymore. Not only that, with most things being online based, it is becoming more and more irrelevant what OS you are using and more important what browser you are using. > > I will stay on the NMUG for a little longer, as I still have my PowerBook for now, but once it has gone there will be no need and I shall say goodbye. > > Simon Royal > > --- Catch me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal or Skype: Simon-Royal > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Have more than one Hotmail account? Link them together to easily access both > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394591/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _________________________________________________________________ View your other email accounts from your Hotmail inbox. Add them now. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394592/direct/01/ From june.perrett at mac.com Tue Dec 1 08:12:14 2009 From: june.perrett at mac.com (June Perrett) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:12:14 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Putting LP on CD Message-ID: <8F1F036B-22F6-4990-9495-40677F187F26@mac.com> Hi Kevin and Barry Hugh Morgan borrowed the USB turntable last year. Perhaps you could contact him at Last April (2008) I posted a message about transferring my cousin's vinlys to CD. Barry kindly offered to lend me his USB turntable. At the same time Hugh got in touch and said he wanted to do the same. So the arrangement was that he would collect from Barry and have a go first. I didn't get around to borrowing the aparatus as my cousin changed her mind, thank goodness. Would have been quite a task converting hundreds of LPs to CD! Thank you for your generousity. Regards June From paul at durrant.co.uk Tue Dec 1 09:28:08 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:28:08 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Free iMac G3 CD Message-ID: <21E54372-1213-4DC5-9992-F203AE1A84CD@durrant.co.uk> Does anyone have a home for an iMac G3? It's a slot-loading iMac with CD drive. No firewire, but can take Mac OS X 10.4, so still would make a decentl little email/internet/WP machine for someone. It does need a new internal hard disk, but it otherwise in good order. Please contact me off-list if you're interested. regards, Paul From macman at f2s.com Tue Dec 1 09:46:15 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 09:46:15 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Free iMac G3 CD In-Reply-To: <21E54372-1213-4DC5-9992-F203AE1A84CD@durrant.co.uk> References: <21E54372-1213-4DC5-9992-F203AE1A84CD@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Paul I have a snow with a fried ethernet port, (otherwise perfect) so could swap in the HD and it would make a decent one to give away to a deserving cause. I'd be happy to do the necessary work. If you have no other offers, perhaps you'll let me know? Regards Robbie Robbie Murray 01603 620749 01603 516175 07882 007667 macman at f2s.com On 1 Dec 2009, at 09:28, Paul Durrant wrote: Does anyone have a home for an iMac G3? It's a slot-loading iMac with CD drive. No firewire, but can take Mac OS X 10.4, so still would make a decentl little email/internet/WP machine for someone. It does need a new internal hard disk, but it otherwise in good order. Please contact me off-list if you're interested. regards, Paul _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk Tue Dec 1 10:32:22 2009 From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:32:22 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Putting LP on CD In-Reply-To: <8F1F036B-22F6-4990-9495-40677F187F26@mac.com> References: <8F1F036B-22F6-4990-9495-40677F187F26@mac.com> Message-ID: <2CA7F50B-8229-4CDD-A8F6-0B9961EE2A5E@themagic.me.uk> If still available I'd like to borrrow it, Barry, please, to try it out prior to possibly buying one on behalf of my brother. Hugh do you have it? Thanks Anthony On 1 Dec 2009, at 08:12, June Perrett wrote: > Hi Kevin and Barry > > Hugh Morgan borrowed the USB turntable last year. Perhaps you could > contact him at > > Last April (2008) I posted a message about transferring my cousin's > vinlys to CD. Barry kindly offered to lend me his USB turntable. At > the same time Hugh got in touch and said he wanted to do the same. So > the arrangement was that he would collect from Barry and have a go > first. > > I didn't get around to borrowing the aparatus as my cousin changed her > mind, thank goodness. Would have been quite a task converting hundreds > of LPs to CD! > > Thank you for your generousity. > > Regards > June > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mghc.repps at virgin.net Tue Dec 1 10:54:14 2009 From: mghc.repps at virgin.net (Michael Crook) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:54:14 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Power Of Windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <492C6975-2D0E-4142-84C9-FE14A50D28BB@virgin.net> Simon. Boring!! - Michael. 01.12.09. On 1 Dec 2009, at 00:34, Simon Royal wrote: > > Hi. > > As you all know I have made some pretty astonishing claims for such > a once ardent Mac fan, but I am tired of the Mac fight and today > arrived a temporary replacement for my PowerBook. > > It is a Samsung A10 - kitted with a Duron 1.1Ghz processor, only > 384MB of RAM, DVD drive and only 16MB shared video RAM. It came with > 10GB hd installed but was also packed with a 30gb and 60gb hd, so I > quickly swapped out the 10GB for the 60GB. > > Considering it's low specs and low RAM and low video RAM it performs > very well. I tried the usual like YouTube and games on FaceBook and > it handles them fine, something my 867Mhz G4 PowerBook with 1GB of > RAM struggled with. > > With a bit more RAM it would fly along. > > I know a lot of you think I am mad and will probably be back in a > few months, but my budget really doesn't cater for the expense of a > Mac anymore. Not only that, with most things being online based, it > is becoming more and more irrelevant what OS you are using and more > important what browser you are using. > > I will stay on the NMUG for a little longer, as I still have my > PowerBook for now, but once it has gone there will be no need and I > shall say goodbye. > > Simon Royal > > --- Catch me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal or Skype: > Simon-Royal > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Have more than one Hotmail account? Link them together to easily > access both > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394591/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Tue Dec 1 11:08:12 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:08:12 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Free iMac G3 CD In-Reply-To: References: <21E54372-1213-4DC5-9992-F203AE1A84CD@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <391A9D5F-48A9-4BDA-B391-083801779D30@f2s.com> Sorry, chaps & chapesses: meant to post to Paul off list, but it's so easy to get it wrong .... ... as one lady on the Freegle Cafe found out to her horror this week! Robbie On 1 Dec 2009, at 09:28, Paul Durrant wrote: Does anyone have a home for an iMac G3? It's a slot-loading iMac with CD drive. No firewire, but can take Mac OS X 10.4, so still would make a decentl little email/internet/WP machine for someone. It does need a new internal hard disk, but it otherwise in good order. Please contact me off-list if you're interested. regards, Paul _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From turrethouse at talktalk.net Tue Dec 1 11:59:01 2009 From: turrethouse at talktalk.net (hugh morgan) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 11:59:01 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Putting LP etc on CD and elsewhere In-Reply-To: <5A031D39-48BB-4E23-A00E-163E38AF7F92@mac.com> References: <23036187-6779-463E-829F-69C9D601216C@gmail.com> <5A031D39-48BB-4E23-A00E-163E38AF7F92@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Kelvin, Anthony, June et al mea culpa ! Have only just caught up with this correspondence but yes, I have it safely here and only used it very briefly, ages ago. (As June says, with a lot to transfer, it takes a lot of real time to do the job.) Anyway, if Kelvin happy for Anthony to have it that will solve his problem. Sorry Kelvin not to have contacted you about returning it - I thought you would shout if you needed it and have lived in the hope that I would get round to using it some more - vain hope...... >Yes, we actually lent one unit to a NMUG member and have never seen >it again as we forgot who collected it from Bazeers house in >Spixworth? > >Come on - own up which one of you borrowed it! > >Kelvin >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From simonroyal at live.co.uk Tue Dec 1 12:34:15 2009 From: simonroyal at live.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:34:15 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Power Of Windows In-Reply-To: <492C6975-2D0E-4142-84C9-FE14A50D28BB@virgin.net> References: , <492C6975-2D0E-4142-84C9-FE14A50D28BB@virgin.net> Message-ID: Michael Well everyone is entitled to their opinions. Regards Simon Royal --- Catch me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal or Skype: Simon-Royal > From: mghc.repps at virgin.net > To: nmug at nmug.org.uk > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:54:14 +0000 > Subject: Re: [NMUG] Power Of Windows > > Simon. > > Boring!! > > - Michael. > 01.12.09. > > > On 1 Dec 2009, at 00:34, Simon Royal wrote: > > > > > Hi. > > > > As you all know I have made some pretty astonishing claims for such > > a once ardent Mac fan, but I am tired of the Mac fight and today > > arrived a temporary replacement for my PowerBook. > > > > It is a Samsung A10 - kitted with a Duron 1.1Ghz processor, only > > 384MB of RAM, DVD drive and only 16MB shared video RAM. It came with > > 10GB hd installed but was also packed with a 30gb and 60gb hd, so I > > quickly swapped out the 10GB for the 60GB. > > > > Considering it's low specs and low RAM and low video RAM it performs > > very well. I tried the usual like YouTube and games on FaceBook and > > it handles them fine, something my 867Mhz G4 PowerBook with 1GB of > > RAM struggled with. > > > > With a bit more RAM it would fly along. > > > > I know a lot of you think I am mad and will probably be back in a > > few months, but my budget really doesn't cater for the expense of a > > Mac anymore. Not only that, with most things being online based, it > > is becoming more and more irrelevant what OS you are using and more > > important what browser you are using. > > > > I will stay on the NMUG for a little longer, as I still have my > > PowerBook for now, but once it has gone there will be no need and I > > shall say goodbye. > > > > Simon Royal > > > > --- Catch me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal or Skype: > > Simon-Royal > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Have more than one Hotmail account? Link them together to easily > > access both > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394591/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _________________________________________________________________ Add your Gmail and Yahoo! Mail email accounts into Hotmail - it's easy http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394592/direct/01/ From simonroyal at live.co.uk Tue Dec 1 12:39:02 2009 From: simonroyal at live.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:39:02 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Power Of Windows In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Ferrers As I said before, most of my computing time is web based so what platform I use is pretty irrelevant. Other than that I use iTunes, Audacity and Quicktime. All of which are available cross platform. I am using Windows XP at the mo. Even though the machine is old, it out powers my PowerBook - which didn't have a glossy screen. Consider this. A Mac laptop to replace/upgrade my PowerBook would be in the region of ?150 minimum, I just got this Windows laptop for ?11. Simon Royal --- Catch me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal or Skype: Simon-Royal > From: ferrers_young at hotmail.com > To: nmug at nmug.org.uk > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 02:00:59 +0000 > Subject: Re: [NMUG] Power Of Windows > > > Glad you are happy on the "dark side"... if it does the biz for you... > > Interested how you've replaced your AppleScrpits on uncle Bill's machine? Also what flavour of Windah?s does it run? > > The big question: have you escaped the glossy screen? > > Ferrers > (G3 iMac DV+ & G5 iMac) > > ---------------------------------------- > > From: simonroyal at live.co.uk > > To: nmug at nmug.org.uk > > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 00:34:56 +0000 > > Subject: [NMUG] Power Of Windows > > > > > > Hi. > > > > As you all know I have made some pretty astonishing claims for such a once ardent Mac fan, but I am tired of the Mac fight and today arrived a temporary replacement for my PowerBook. > > > > It is a Samsung A10 - kitted with a Duron 1.1Ghz processor, only 384MB of RAM, DVD drive and only 16MB shared video RAM. It came with 10GB hd installed but was also packed with a 30gb and 60gb hd, so I quickly swapped out the 10GB for the 60GB. > > > > Considering it's low specs and low RAM and low video RAM it performs very well. I tried the usual like YouTube and games on FaceBook and it handles them fine, something my 867Mhz G4 PowerBook with 1GB of RAM struggled with. > > > > With a bit more RAM it would fly along. > > > > I know a lot of you think I am mad and will probably be back in a few months, but my budget really doesn't cater for the expense of a Mac anymore. Not only that, with most things being online based, it is becoming more and more irrelevant what OS you are using and more important what browser you are using. > > > > I will stay on the NMUG for a little longer, as I still have my PowerBook for now, but once it has gone there will be no need and I shall say goodbye. > > > > Simon Royal > > > > --- Catch me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal or Skype: Simon-Royal > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Have more than one Hotmail account? Link them together to easily access both > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394591/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _________________________________________________________________ > View your other email accounts from your Hotmail inbox. Add them now. > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394592/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _________________________________________________________________ Use Hotmail to send and receive mail from your different email accounts http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394592/direct/01/ From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Tue Dec 1 12:51:17 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:51:17 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Test Message-ID: From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Tue Dec 1 12:53:46 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:53:46 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Test two Message-ID: test two From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Tue Dec 1 12:58:50 2009 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:58:50 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Test two In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I received 'test two' so if you're testing send/receive it's OK! Ken Arnoldi On 1 Dec 2009, at 12:53, Nathan Crosby wrote: > test two > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Tue Dec 1 13:51:26 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:51:26 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Test two In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0C84711E-C35F-4665-9237-23A5BB806DDA@virgin.net> Thanks Ken Nathan On 1 Dec 2009, at 12:58, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > I received 'test two' > so if you're testing send/receive it's OK! > > Ken Arnoldi > > On 1 Dec 2009, at 12:53, Nathan Crosby wrote: > >> test two >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From sc at davidviner.com Tue Dec 1 13:57:19 2009 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:57:19 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Test two In-Reply-To: <0C84711E-C35F-4665-9237-23A5BB806DDA@virgin.net> References: <0C84711E-C35F-4665-9237-23A5BB806DDA@virgin.net> Message-ID: <4B1520BF.4010602@davidviner.com> I've just received "test three" from the future due to a freak warp in the space/time continuum. In order to prevent any breakdown of quantum causality, you'd better actually get around to sending "test three" sometime! I blame the LHC. :) nathan crosby wrote: > Thanks Ken > > Nathan > > On 1 Dec 2009, at 12:58, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > > >> I received 'test two' >> so if you're testing send/receive it's OK! >> >> Ken Arnoldi >> >> On 1 Dec 2009, at 12:53, Nathan Crosby wrote: >> >> >>> test two >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Tue Dec 1 14:10:24 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:10:24 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Test two In-Reply-To: <4B1520BF.4010602@davidviner.com> References: <0C84711E-C35F-4665-9237-23A5BB806DDA@virgin.net> <4B1520BF.4010602@davidviner.com> Message-ID: <07736268-8F6A-4CC4-B140-98E080E9CF45@virgin.net> Damn, they've broken through the force field filter Sprinkle salt by your front door and destroy all packets of Birds custard powder. Nathan On 1 Dec 2009, at 13:57, David Viner wrote: > I've just received "test three" from the future due to a freak warp in > the space/time continuum. In order to prevent any breakdown of quantum > causality, you'd better actually get around to sending "test three" > sometime! I blame the LHC. > > :) > > nathan crosby wrote: >> Thanks Ken >> >> Nathan >> >> On 1 Dec 2009, at 12:58, Ken Arnoldi wrote: >> >> >>> I received 'test two' >>> so if you're testing send/receive it's OK! >>> >>> Ken Arnoldi >>> >>> On 1 Dec 2009, at 12:53, Nathan Crosby wrote: >>> >>> >>>> test two >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Tue Dec 1 14:23:46 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:23:46 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin Mail Message-ID: <1E596180-F2DF-4061-BF86-3C373176E6A0@virgin.net> I can now reveal the reason for my test messages. I have recently been on to Virgin help about their email problem. After a false start when they gave me the wrong information, I now have the workaround. in Mail/preferences/account, add 'recent:' in front of your user name. Thats recent colon without the commas. After doing that I received a flood of old emails, but it now appears to have solved the problem. Nathan From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Tue Dec 1 14:36:30 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:36:30 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin Mail In-Reply-To: <1E596180-F2DF-4061-BF86-3C373176E6A0@virgin.net> References: <1E596180-F2DF-4061-BF86-3C373176E6A0@virgin.net> Message-ID: <337FD9ED-38E4-4B50-98AA-DD5C18391986@virgin.net> Whoa!! Nathan Just did that and got 1354 old emails come in. Now I have to go in & Delete them ! Martin > > in Mail/preferences/account, add 'recent:' in front of your user > name. Thats recent colon without the commas. > > After doing that I received a flood of old emails, but it now > appears to have solved the problem. > > Nathan > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Tue Dec 1 14:36:47 2009 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (KEN ARNOLDI) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:36:47 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Test two In-Reply-To: <0C84711E-C35F-4665-9237-23A5BB806DDA@virgin.net> References: <0C84711E-C35F-4665-9237-23A5BB806DDA@virgin.net> Message-ID: <7c0f9d370912010636j244e4e7dp8aee9e6c5461cb08@mail.gmail.com> Hello Nathan, Are you too having problems with Virgin- as you were testing, I assume you are/were? I and another NMUG member normally receive on more than one computer, but for some weeks now reception on all machines has been very sporadic. I have sent an email to 'Support' and await their reply. Ken On Tuesday, December 1, 2009, nathan crosby wrote: > Thanks Ken > > Nathan > > On 1 Dec 2009, at 12:58, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > >> I received 'test two' >> so if you're testing send/receive it's OK! >> >> Ken Arnoldi >> >> On 1 Dec 2009, at 12:53, Nathan Crosby wrote: >> >>> test two >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From macman at f2s.com Tue Dec 1 14:37:22 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:37:22 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin Mail In-Reply-To: <1E596180-F2DF-4061-BF86-3C373176E6A0@virgin.net> References: <1E596180-F2DF-4061-BF86-3C373176E6A0@virgin.net> Message-ID: <442D451F-BE40-4496-A290-B34D90535A98@f2s.com> Well of course! such a logical fix I'm surprised you hadn't thought of it yourself ... Dontcha just love ISPs? Robbie On 1 Dec 2009, at 14:23, Nathan Crosby wrote: I can now reveal the reason for my test messages. I have recently been on to Virgin help about their email problem. After a false start when they gave me the wrong information, I now have the workaround. in Mail/preferences/account, add 'recent:' in front of your user name. Thats recent colon without the commas. After doing that I received a flood of old emails, but it now appears to have solved the problem. Nathan _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From sc at davidviner.com Tue Dec 1 14:46:22 2009 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:46:22 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin Mail In-Reply-To: <1E596180-F2DF-4061-BF86-3C373176E6A0@virgin.net> References: <1E596180-F2DF-4061-BF86-3C373176E6A0@virgin.net> Message-ID: <4B152C3E.6090104@davidviner.com> Nathan That's useful info! Although I use VM as my ISP, I'm glad I don't use their mail services. I use the one from my web site hosting company instead - far more reliable for both sending/receiving and if it ever goes wrong, which it has done on one or two occasions, a quick email to them (from their own site) will get things fixed within 30 mins. Wasn't there talk at some point that Virgin were going to try to get all their clients email services moved over to GMail or somesuch? David Nathan Crosby wrote: > I can now reveal the reason for my test messages. > > > I have recently been on to Virgin help about their email problem. > > After a false start when they gave me the wrong information, I now have the workaround. > > in Mail/preferences/account, add 'recent:' in front of your user name. Thats recent colon without the commas. > > After doing that I received a flood of old emails, but it now appears to have solved the problem. > > Nathan > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com Tue Dec 1 15:06:47 2009 From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (Stefan Pietrzak Youngs) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:06:47 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Cheap as old rope In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 1 Dec 2009, at 14:36, nmug-request at nmug.org.uk someone wrote: > > Consider this. A Mac laptop to replace/upgrade my PowerBook would be in the region of ?150 minimum, I just got this Windows laptop for ?11. Gosh! But wait! There's More!! You can get an old Amstrad for 50p, in fact, someone will pay you 5 quid to take it away. But you have to listen to 'Lord' Sugar calling you a %$@* as part of that particular deal. From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Tue Dec 1 15:09:13 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:09:13 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Test two In-Reply-To: <7c0f9d370912010636j244e4e7dp8aee9e6c5461cb08@mail.gmail.com> References: <0C84711E-C35F-4665-9237-23A5BB806DDA@virgin.net> <7c0f9d370912010636j244e4e7dp8aee9e6c5461cb08@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1AF9BD3A-B174-48BA-BA68-B2BD11CAB4D8@virgin.net> Ken, if you follow the directions in my emil, that should fix it. Nathan On 1 Dec 2009, at 14:36, KEN ARNOLDI wrote: > Hello Nathan, > > Are you too having problems with Virgin- as you were testing, I assume > you are/were? > I and another NMUG member normally receive on more than one computer, > but for some weeks now reception on all machines has been very > sporadic. I have sent an email to 'Support' and await their reply. > > Ken > > On Tuesday, December 1, 2009, nathan crosby > wrote: >> Thanks Ken >> >> Nathan >> >> On 1 Dec 2009, at 12:58, Ken Arnoldi wrote: >> >>> I received 'test two' >>> so if you're testing send/receive it's OK! >>> >>> Ken Arnoldi >>> >>> On 1 Dec 2009, at 12:53, Nathan Crosby wrote: >>> >>>> test two >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Tue Dec 1 15:15:10 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:15:10 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin Mail In-Reply-To: <4B152C3E.6090104@davidviner.com> References: <1E596180-F2DF-4061-BF86-3C373176E6A0@virgin.net> <4B152C3E.6090104@davidviner.com> Message-ID: <6E835916-7EAE-4EA8-AAF8-DAEFA65AA1C7@virgin.net> Yes that is what they've done. Pity they didn't send their users an email with the workaround. I got the feeling that they have only just found out them selves nathan On 1 Dec 2009, at 14:46, David Viner wrote: > Nathan > > That's useful info! Although I use VM as my ISP, I'm glad I don't use > their mail services. I use the one from my web site hosting company > instead - far more reliable for both sending/receiving and if it ever > goes wrong, which it has done on one or two occasions, a quick email > to > them (from their own site) will get things fixed within 30 mins. > Wasn't > there talk at some point that Virgin were going to try to get all > their > clients email services moved over to GMail or somesuch? > > David > > From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Tue Dec 1 15:39:08 2009 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:39:08 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Test two In-Reply-To: <1AF9BD3A-B174-48BA-BA68-B2BD11CAB4D8@virgin.net> References: <0C84711E-C35F-4665-9237-23A5BB806DDA@virgin.net> <7c0f9d370912010636j244e4e7dp8aee9e6c5461cb08@mail.gmail.com> <1AF9BD3A-B174-48BA-BA68-B2BD11CAB4D8@virgin.net> Message-ID: <1DFF578A-4210-4107-B12E-0D5C39515BC9@virgin.net> It has ( for now!), I had sent my last email to you just before your 'solution' appeared on NMUG. Thanks, Ken On 1 Dec 2009, at 03:09 PM, nathan crosby wrote: > Ken, if you follow the directions in my emil, that should fix it. > > Nathan > > > On 1 Dec 2009, at 14:36, KEN ARNOLDI wrote: > >> Hello Nathan, >> >> Are you too having problems with Virgin- as you were testing, I >> assume >> you are/were? >> I and another NMUG member normally receive on more than one computer, >> but for some weeks now reception on all machines has been very >> sporadic. I have sent an email to 'Support' and await their reply. >> >> Ken >> >> On Tuesday, December 1, 2009, nathan crosby >> wrote: >>> Thanks Ken >>> >>> Nathan >>> >>> On 1 Dec 2009, at 12:58, Ken Arnoldi wrote: >>> >>>> I received 'test two' >>>> so if you're testing send/receive it's OK! >>>> >>>> Ken Arnoldi >>>> >>>> On 1 Dec 2009, at 12:53, Nathan Crosby wrote: >>>> >>>>> test two >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Tue Dec 1 15:40:30 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:40:30 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin Mail In-Reply-To: <442D451F-BE40-4496-A290-B34D90535A98@f2s.com> References: <1E596180-F2DF-4061-BF86-3C373176E6A0@virgin.net> <442D451F-BE40-4496-A290-B34D90535A98@f2s.com> Message-ID: <370A627F-A950-444C-9EA4-92E7ED2D0526@virgin.net> I should perhaps have mention that you need do the workaround on all your computers, > Nathan > > > On 1 Dec 2009, at 14:23, Nathan Crosby wrote: > > I can now reveal the reason for my test messages. > > > I have recently been on to Virgin help about their email problem. > > After a false start when they gave me the wrong information, I now > have the workaround. > > in Mail/preferences/account, add 'recent:' in front of your user name. > Thats recent colon without the commas. > > After doing that I received a flood of old emails, but it now appears > to have solved the problem. > > Nathan > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Tue Dec 1 15:43:45 2009 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:43:45 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Test two In-Reply-To: <07736268-8F6A-4CC4-B140-98E080E9CF45@virgin.net> References: <0C84711E-C35F-4665-9237-23A5BB806DDA@virgin.net> <4B1520BF.4010602@davidviner.com> <07736268-8F6A-4CC4-B140-98E080E9CF45@virgin.net> Message-ID: <22B667A5-B42B-44B9-8354-252FAC49660B@virgin.net> Will Tins of Birds custard powder work OK? Ken On 1 Dec 2009, at 02:10 PM, nathan crosby wrote: > > Damn, they've broken through the force field filter > > Sprinkle salt by your front door and destroy all packets of Birds > custard powder. > > Nathan > > > On 1 Dec 2009, at 13:57, David Viner wrote: > >> I've just received "test three" from the future due to a freak warp >> in >> the space/time continuum. In order to prevent any breakdown of >> quantum >> causality, you'd better actually get around to sending "test three" >> sometime! I blame the LHC. >> >> :) >> >> nathan crosby wrote: >>> Thanks Ken >>> >>> Nathan >>> >>> On 1 Dec 2009, at 12:58, Ken Arnoldi wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I received 'test two' >>>> so if you're testing send/receive it's OK! >>>> >>>> Ken Arnoldi >>>> >>>> On 1 Dec 2009, at 12:53, Nathan Crosby wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> test two >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Tue Dec 1 15:46:41 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:46:41 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Test two In-Reply-To: <22B667A5-B42B-44B9-8354-252FAC49660B@virgin.net> References: <0C84711E-C35F-4665-9237-23A5BB806DDA@virgin.net> <4B1520BF.4010602@davidviner.com> <07736268-8F6A-4CC4-B140-98E080E9CF45@virgin.net> <22B667A5-B42B-44B9-8354-252FAC49660B@virgin.net> Message-ID: <45A8F4E2-0F5E-49AC-A63A-7996A1D2510D@virgin.net> only if there's no sign of rust Nathan On 1 Dec 2009, at 15:43, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > Will Tins of Birds custard powder work OK? > > Ken > > > On 1 Dec 2009, at 02:10 PM, nathan crosby > wrote: > >> >> Damn, they've broken through the force field filter >> >> Sprinkle salt by your front door and destroy all packets of Birds >> custard powder. >> >> Nathan >> >> >> On 1 Dec 2009, at 13:57, David Viner wrote: >> >>> I've just received "test three" from the future due to a freak warp >>> in >>> the space/time continuum. In order to prevent any breakdown of >>> quantum >>> causality, you'd better actually get around to sending "test three" >>> sometime! I blame the LHC. >>> >>> :) >>> >>> nathan crosby wrote: >>>> Thanks Ken >>>> >>>> Nathan >>>> >>>> On 1 Dec 2009, at 12:58, Ken Arnoldi wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> I received 'test two' >>>>> so if you're testing send/receive it's OK! >>>>> >>>>> Ken Arnoldi >>>>> >>>>> On 1 Dec 2009, at 12:53, Nathan Crosby wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> test two >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>>>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From simonroyal at live.co.uk Tue Dec 1 16:09:01 2009 From: simonroyal at live.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:09:01 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Cheap as old rope In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Stefan But an Amstrad wont do what I need it to do. The point I was making is, this ?11 laptop out performs my PowerBook by a mile. A you may have guessed by now, money is not in great supply in my house and so as much bang for your buck is what I need. Armed with Firefox after 3 hours of surfing you begin to forget which OS you are running. I shall be sad to leave this group, but I shall not be sad to see the back of your sarcastic, arrogant and at times down right rude comments. Simon Royal --- Catch me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal or Skype: Simon-Royal > From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:06:47 +0000 > To: nmug at nmug.org.uk > Subject: [NMUG] Cheap as old rope > > > On 1 Dec 2009, at 14:36, nmug-request at nmug.org.uk someone wrote: > > > > > Consider this. A Mac laptop to replace/upgrade my PowerBook would be in the region of ?150 minimum, I just got this Windows laptop for ?11. > > Gosh! But wait! There's More!! You can get an old Amstrad for 50p, in fact, someone will pay you 5 quid to take it away. But you have to listen to 'Lord' Sugar calling you a %$@* as part of that particular deal. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _________________________________________________________________ Add your Gmail and Yahoo! Mail email accounts into Hotmail - it's easy http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394592/direct/01/ From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com Tue Dec 1 18:04:06 2009 From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (Stefan Pietrzak Youngs) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:04:06 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] more and more irrelevant what OS you are using In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78EEBF95-D2D7-4095-B22A-DE9FF484CFB2@gmail.com> On 1 Dec 2009, at 00:34, nmug-request at nmug.org.uk The Oracle wrote: > I know a lot of you think I am mad and will probably be back in a few months, but my budget really doesn't cater for the expense of a Mac anymore. Not only that, with most things being online based, it is becoming more and more irrelevant what OS you are using and more important what browser you are using. Here speaketh the Oracle. Sell all your shares in Apple: they've got it all wrong. All that R&D, all the massive investment in technology to deliver price performance and reliability, all wasted. 30,000 people have been wasting their time for the past decade. All that investment in excellent engineering, all for nothing. Nobody cares about quality engineering anymore, it seems. All that anyone cares about is a free browser, according to the Oracle. Oh! and all those bozos who buy the argument that something better is worth paying for? We're all wrong too, we've all been conned. All we really needed after all is a third hand PC castoff for 11 quid and a free browser. Cromwells' injunction to the Long Parliament might seem appropriate for the bearer of this news. From allanmacam at me.com Tue Dec 1 18:19:32 2009 From: allanmacam at me.com (Allan) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:19:32 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] more and more irrelevant what OS you are using In-Reply-To: <78EEBF95-D2D7-4095-B22A-DE9FF484CFB2@gmail.com> References: <78EEBF95-D2D7-4095-B22A-DE9FF484CFB2@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 1 Dec 2009, at 18:04, Stefan Pietrzak Youngs wrote: > > Cromwells' injunction to the Long Parliament might seem appropriate for the bearer of this news. Do you mean... "You have sat too long for any good you might have done. For God's sake go! ...by any chance? From ken.hamer at stackyard.org Tue Dec 1 18:24:16 2009 From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:24:16 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] more and more irrelevant what OS you are using In-Reply-To: <78EEBF95-D2D7-4095-B22A-DE9FF484CFB2@gmail.com> References: <78EEBF95-D2D7-4095-B22A-DE9FF484CFB2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B155F50.3080808@stackyard.org> Actually, Chrome OS sounds like it will be little more than a browser. Perhaps it's not for everybody but Google seem to think that many will be of Simon's disposition. As for Oracle, aren't they buying Sun Microsystems? Ken Hamer Stefan Pietrzak Youngs wrote: > On 1 Dec 2009, at 00:34, nmug-request at nmug.org.uk The Oracle wrote: > > > > Here speaketh the Oracle. Sell all your shares in Apple: they've got it all wrong. All that R&D, all the massive investment in technology to deliver price performance and reliability, all wasted. 30,000 people have been wasting their time for the past decade. All that investment in excellent engineering, all for nothing. Nobody cares about quality engineering anymore, it seems. All that anyone cares about is a free browser, according to the Oracle. Oh! and all those bozos who buy the argument that something better is worth paying for? We're all wrong too, we've all been conned. All we really needed after all is a third hand PC castoff for 11 quid and a free browser. > > Cromwells' injunction to the Long Parliament might seem appropriate for the bearer of this news. > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Tue Dec 1 18:35:41 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:35:41 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] more and more irrelevant what OS you are using In-Reply-To: <4B155F50.3080808@stackyard.org> References: <78EEBF95-D2D7-4095-B22A-DE9FF484CFB2@gmail.com> <4B155F50.3080808@stackyard.org> Message-ID: <840E6B1E-0811-4EF9-9307-C865AA828E4D@virgin.net> You know I think Simon may be right in one sense. He wants to or has to try something else, regardless of money, times are hard that is his choice. The bitchiness in this group is getting really stupid ! We all have a choice, if you don't like someone else's choice that's your problem, but attacking & bullying does not help anyone. Please stop this now and talk about your own Macs & mac related problem before nasty comments & sarcasm get out of hand. I hate bullies!!! Martin >> Here speaketh the Oracle. Sell all your shares in Apple: they've >> got it all wrong. All that R&D, all the massive investment in >> technology to deliver price performance and reliability, all >> wasted. 30,000 people have been wasting their time for the past >> decade. All that investment in excellent engineering, all for >> nothing. Nobody cares about quality engineering anymore, it seems. >> All that anyone cares about is a free browser, according to the >> Oracle. Oh! and all those bozos who buy the argument that something >> better is worth paying for? We're all wrong too, we've all been >> conned. All we really needed after all is a third hand PC castoff >> for 11 quid and a free browser. > From munkt0n at gmail.com Tue Dec 1 18:45:29 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:45:29 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] more and more irrelevant what OS you are using In-Reply-To: <4B155F50.3080808@stackyard.org> References: <78EEBF95-D2D7-4095-B22A-DE9FF484CFB2@gmail.com> <4B155F50.3080808@stackyard.org> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Ken Hamer wrote: > > As for Oracle, aren't they buying Sun Microsystems? > They already have! and not long after Sun gobbled up MySql. let's hope they don't kill it off. From footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk Tue Dec 1 18:49:05 2009 From: footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk (joe butler) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:49:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [NMUG] more and more irrelevant what OS you are using In-Reply-To: <78EEBF95-D2D7-4095-B22A-DE9FF484CFB2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <68125.31500.qm@web26706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> God forbid someone not hold the same view as you Stefan.I bite my tongue almost every time you post but not today. You are a sad, jumped up little man with nothing good to say.. Why be the member of a group when you value no ones opinion other than that of you own? "Cromwell's' injunction to the Long Parliament might seem appropriate for the bearer of this news" When did it become your place to tell member of the group to stay or go? Norwich Computer Company Apple Mac, iPhone & PC Repairs http://www.apple-macs.eu --- On Tue, 1/12/09, Stefan Pietrzak Youngs wrote: From: Stefan Pietrzak Youngs Subject: [NMUG] more and more irrelevant what OS you are using To: nmug at nmug.org.uk Date: Tuesday, 1 December, 2009, 18:04 On 1 Dec 2009, at 00:34, nmug-request at nmug.org.uk The Oracle wrote: > I know a lot of you think I am mad and will probably be back in a few months, but my budget really doesn't cater for the expense of a Mac anymore. Not only that, with most things being online based, it is becoming more and more irrelevant what OS you are using and more important what browser you are using. Here speaketh the Oracle. Sell all your shares in Apple: they've got it all wrong. All that R&D, all the massive investment in technology to deliver price performance and reliability, all wasted. 30,000 people have been wasting their time for the past decade. All that investment in excellent engineering, all for nothing. Nobody cares about quality engineering anymore, it seems. All that anyone cares about is a free browser, according to the Oracle. Oh! and all those bozos who buy the argument that something better is worth paying for? We're all wrong too, we've all been conned. All we really needed after all is a third hand PC castoff for 11 quid and a free browser. Cromwells' injunction to the Long Parliament might seem appropriate for the bearer of this news. _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ken.hamer at stackyard.org Tue Dec 1 19:06:10 2009 From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:06:10 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] more and more irrelevant what OS you are using In-Reply-To: References: <78EEBF95-D2D7-4095-B22A-DE9FF484CFB2@gmail.com> <4B155F50.3080808@stackyard.org> Message-ID: <4B156922.8060901@stackyard.org> About Sun, sorry, it was meant ironically. I should have used a smiley. Now I think it's time for everyone to calm down after Simon's most excellent setting of the flame bit. Christmas soon and all that. Peace and love, peace and love Scott Matthews wrote: >> As for Oracle, aren't they buying Sun Microsystems? >> >> > > They already have! and not long after Sun gobbled up MySql. let's hope > they don't kill it off. > > From macman at f2s.com Tue Dec 1 19:41:41 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:41:41 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] more and more irrelevant what OS you are using In-Reply-To: <4B156922.8060901@stackyard.org> References: <78EEBF95-D2D7-4095-B22A-DE9FF484CFB2@gmail.com> <4B155F50.3080808@stackyard.org> <4B156922.8060901@stackyard.org> Message-ID: <34F920B4-C63D-40E3-90B6-87A6BDAE6021@f2s.com> Hear, hear: let's talk Macs! Robbie On 1 Dec 2009, at 19:06, Ken Hamer wrote: Now I think it's time for everyone to calm down after Simon's most excellent setting of the flame bit. Christmas soon and all that. Peace and love, peace and love From michelehurst at mac.com Tue Dec 1 20:34:54 2009 From: michelehurst at mac.com (Michele Hurst) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:34:54 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Power of windoze zzzzzzzz Message-ID: <973ED5A2-30CF-43E4-8CC0-951247B1B7CD@mac.com> I have no choice but to use a pc at work. There is NO comparison! I LOVE MY MAC !!!!! Michele Sent from Michele's iPhone From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com Tue Dec 1 20:48:53 2009 From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:48:53 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin Mail In-Reply-To: <337FD9ED-38E4-4B50-98AA-DD5C18391986@virgin.net> References: <1E596180-F2DF-4061-BF86-3C373176E6A0@virgin.net> <337FD9ED-38E4-4B50-98AA-DD5C18391986@virgin.net> Message-ID: Hi, just tried the work around, as I'm with virgin/ntl first mail complained about a wrong password and now after going back to the previous setup mail refuses to check the account even after a restart/reboot. any ideas On 1 Dec 2009, at 14:36, Martin Fry wrote: > > Whoa!! Nathan > > Just did that and got 1354 old emails come in. > > Now I have to go in & Delete them ! > > Martin > > > >> >> in Mail/preferences/account, add 'recent:' in front of your user >> name. Thats recent colon without the commas. >> >> After doing that I received a flood of old emails, but it now >> appears to have solved the problem. >> >> Nathan >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > Martin Fry > www.martinfryphotography.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com Tue Dec 1 20:56:09 2009 From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:56:09 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin Mail In-Reply-To: References: <1E596180-F2DF-4061-BF86-3C373176E6A0@virgin.net> <337FD9ED-38E4-4B50-98AA-DD5C18391986@virgin.net> Message-ID: OK, done sorted, the account went offline On 1 Dec 2009, at 20:48, Kerin Westgate wrote: > Hi, just tried the work around, as I'm with virgin/ntl first mail complained about a wrong password and now after going back to the previous setup mail refuses to check the account even after a restart/reboot. any ideas > > > On 1 Dec 2009, at 14:36, Martin Fry wrote: > >> >> Whoa!! Nathan >> >> Just did that and got 1354 old emails come in. >> >> Now I have to go in & Delete them ! >> >> Martin >> >> >> >>> >>> in Mail/preferences/account, add 'recent:' in front of your user >>> name. Thats recent colon without the commas. >>> >>> After doing that I received a flood of old emails, but it now >>> appears to have solved the problem. >>> >>> Nathan >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> Martin Fry >> www.martinfryphotography.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From h.tamplin at btinternet.com Tue Dec 1 20:59:46 2009 From: h.tamplin at btinternet.com (Heather Tamplin) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:59:46 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin Mail In-Reply-To: References: <1E596180-F2DF-4061-BF86-3C373176E6A0@virgin.net> <337FD9ED-38E4-4B50-98AA-DD5C18391986@virgin.net> Message-ID: <2DDCB351-D2EE-4536-A34F-6A0F30C46303@btinternet.com> I think i had to delete the account then quit and restart followed by re-entering as a new account the original working settings/pssword Heather On 1 Dec 2009, at 20:48, Kerin Westgate wrote: > Hi, just tried the work around, as I'm with virgin/ntl first mail > complained about a wrong password and now after going back to the > previous setup mail refuses to check the account even after a > restart/reboot. any ideas > > > On 1 Dec 2009, at 14:36, Martin Fry wrote: > >> >> Whoa!! Nathan >> >> Just did that and got 1354 old emails come in. >> >> Now I have to go in & Delete them ! >> >> Martin >> >> >> >>> >>> in Mail/preferences/account, add 'recent:' in front of your user >>> name. Thats recent colon without the commas. >>> >>> After doing that I received a flood of old emails, but it now >>> appears to have solved the problem. >>> >>> Nathan >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ >>> listinfo/nmug >> >> Martin Fry >> www.martinfryphotography.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ >> listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug Heather Tamplin www.heathertamplin.co.uk "Art is the only way to run away without leaving home." Twyla Tharp From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Tue Dec 1 21:10:03 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:10:03 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin Mail In-Reply-To: References: <1E596180-F2DF-4061-BF86-3C373176E6A0@virgin.net> <337FD9ED-38E4-4B50-98AA-DD5C18391986@virgin.net> Message-ID: No. It's working fine on my Macbook and iMac. It might be worth ringing Virgin support 0845 454 2222 So far when I've rung I've only had to wait a couple of minutes Nathan On 1 Dec 2009, at 20:48, Kerin Westgate wrote: > Hi, just tried the work around, as I'm with virgin/ntl first mail > complained about a wrong password and now after going back to the > previous setup mail refuses to check the account even after a > restart/reboot. any ideas > > > >>> >>> in Mail/preferences/account, add 'recent:' in front of your user >>> name. Thats recent colon without the commas. >>> >>> After doing that I received a flood of old emails, but it now >>> appears to have solved the problem. >>> >>> Nathan >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> Martin Fry >> www.martinfryphotography.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk Tue Dec 1 21:12:23 2009 From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 21:12:23 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Power of windoze zzzzzzzz In-Reply-To: <973ED5A2-30CF-43E4-8CC0-951247B1B7CD@mac.com> References: <973ED5A2-30CF-43E4-8CC0-951247B1B7CD@mac.com> Message-ID: <225AB173-3999-4ED3-B5BD-49BED305030D@zen.co.uk> A tale, I work for a large well known city company, and one of our co-workers set up a thread on our internal intranet (shades of Wally World for those who know a special MS thingy) suggesting the company create an iPhone app for customers. The debate was interesting. It ignored the fact that the iPhone is the dominant web based phone out there. Lots of discussion as to why, is there a demand, will it work, we should wait! etc etc. Talk about procrastination.(Having said this none of the people commenting had any input on a go decision but the bean counters will doubtless ask for a cost benefit analysis first, which may slow up development) My dear old company is well in with the softies to the tune that we still have to use IE6 as we have a lot of VB specially written stuff perish the thought. We will probably be the last company on earth to go to Windows 7..... and how on earth much will it cost..... Apple is slowly making a difference with people via the iPod & iPhone though we have yet to see any MS bods convert to Mac yet. If only the company would move.....but hell will freeze over first. Steven Jefferson steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk On 1 Dec 2009, at 20:34, Michele Hurst wrote: > > I have no choice but to use a pc at work. There is NO comparison! I > LOVE MY MAC !!!!! > Michele > Sent from Michele's iPhone > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From sc at davidviner.com Tue Dec 1 22:29:36 2009 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:29:36 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Power of windoze zzzzzzzz In-Reply-To: <225AB173-3999-4ED3-B5BD-49BED305030D@zen.co.uk> References: <973ED5A2-30CF-43E4-8CC0-951247B1B7CD@mac.com> <225AB173-3999-4ED3-B5BD-49BED305030D@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <4B1598D0.3090106@davidviner.com> Hmm... That sounds like the large well known city company that I had the (mis)fortune to work for between 2001 and 2003 (I'd been made redundant and needed the money, ok?). The company with the dual "lights-out" server buildings out at Bowthorpe where it was never "lights out" due to so many people having to work directly on the servers there because the network was so slow it was impossible to do it via remote access. Back in 2002 there were mentions of using Unix/Linux instead - it obviously never happened. I did manage to get PHP set up on my team's intranet (running on Personal Web Server on NT 4 using MS Access as the database - eek!) in order to avoid having to use the buggy atrocity that was (and probably still is) ASP - I then showed them what web programming was /really/ about! They seemed impressed and then I buggered off and got a proper job :) David Steven Jefferson wrote: > A tale, > > I work for a large well known city company, and one of our co-workers set up a thread on our internal intranet (shades of Wally World for those who know a special MS thingy) suggesting the company create an iPhone app for customers. The debate was interesting. It ignored the fact that the iPhone is the dominant web based phone out there. Lots of discussion as to why, is there a demand, will it work, we should wait! etc etc. Talk about procrastination.(Having said this none of the people commenting had any input on a go decision but the bean counters will doubtless ask for a cost benefit analysis first, which may slow up development) > > My dear old company is well in with the softies to the tune that we still have to use IE6 as we have a lot of VB specially written stuff perish the thought. We will probably be the last company on earth to go to Windows 7..... and how on earth much will it cost..... > > Apple is slowly making a difference with people via the iPod & iPhone though we have yet to see any MS bods convert to Mac yet. If only the company would move.....but hell will freeze over first. > > Steven Jefferson > steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk > > > > On 1 Dec 2009, at 20:34, Michele Hurst wrote: > > >> I have no choice but to use a pc at work. There is NO comparison! I >> LOVE MY MAC !!!!! >> Michele >> Sent from Michele's iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk Tue Dec 1 22:39:33 2009 From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:39:33 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Power of windoze zzzzzzzz In-Reply-To: <4B1598D0.3090106@davidviner.com> References: <973ED5A2-30CF-43E4-8CC0-951247B1B7CD@mac.com> <225AB173-3999-4ED3-B5BD-49BED305030D@zen.co.uk> <4B1598D0.3090106@davidviner.com> Message-ID: Good move as its all outsourced now and clearly getting less pleasant. Those Softie decisions will soon be coming home to roost with some major expenditure on IT needed. Reckon it will be MS cos its locked in. If ever a similar company based it self on Macs its going to make some waves around the industry simply with the cost benefits, which the bean counters can't or will not see. Steven Jefferson steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk On 1 Dec 2009, at 22:29, David Viner wrote: > Hmm... That sounds like the large well known city company that I had the > (mis)fortune to work for between 2001 and 2003 (I'd been made redundant > and needed the money, ok?). The company with the dual "lights-out" > server buildings out at Bowthorpe where it was never "lights out" due to > so many people having to work directly on the servers there because the > network was so slow it was impossible to do it via remote access. Back > in 2002 there were mentions of using Unix/Linux instead - it obviously > never happened. I did manage to get PHP set up on my team's intranet > (running on Personal Web Server on NT 4 using MS Access as the database > - eek!) in order to avoid having to use the buggy atrocity that was (and > probably still is) ASP - I then showed them what web programming was > /really/ about! They seemed impressed and then I buggered off and got a > proper job :) > > David > > Steven Jefferson wrote: >> A tale, >> >> I work for a large well known city company, and one of our co-workers set up a thread on our internal intranet (shades of Wally World for those who know a special MS thingy) suggesting the company create an iPhone app for customers. The debate was interesting. It ignored the fact that the iPhone is the dominant web based phone out there. Lots of discussion as to why, is there a demand, will it work, we should wait! etc etc. Talk about procrastination.(Having said this none of the people commenting had any input on a go decision but the bean counters will doubtless ask for a cost benefit analysis first, which may slow up development) >> >> My dear old company is well in with the softies to the tune that we still have to use IE6 as we have a lot of VB specially written stuff perish the thought. We will probably be the last company on earth to go to Windows 7..... and how on earth much will it cost..... >> >> Apple is slowly making a difference with people via the iPod & iPhone though we have yet to see any MS bods convert to Mac yet. If only the company would move.....but hell will freeze over first. >> >> Steven Jefferson >> steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk >> >> >> >> On 1 Dec 2009, at 20:34, Michele Hurst wrote: >> >> >>> I have no choice but to use a pc at work. There is NO comparison! I >>> LOVE MY MAC !!!!! >>> Michele >>> Sent from Michele's iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From suebaldwyn at sky.com Wed Dec 2 00:41:25 2009 From: suebaldwyn at sky.com (Sue Baldwyn) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 01:41:25 +0100 Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 71, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Simon, you've been procrastinating too much about your leaving the Group, either go or shut up, I need to know about Mac as a new user and you are unnecessarily clogging up my e-mail. See you never, hopefully 2009/12/1 > Send NMUG mailing list submissions to > nmug at nmug.org.uk > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nmug-request at nmug.org.uk > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nmug-owner at nmug.org.uk > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of NMUG digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Power Of Windows (Simon Royal) > 2. Re: Power Of Windows (Simon Royal) > 3. Test (Nathan Crosby) > 4. Test two (Nathan Crosby) > 5. Re: Test two (Ken Arnoldi) > 6. Re: Test two (nathan crosby) > 7. Re: Test two (David Viner) > 8. Re: Test two (nathan crosby) > 9. Virgin Mail (Nathan Crosby) > 10. Re: Virgin Mail (Martin Fry) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Simon Royal > To: NMUG > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:34:15 +0000 > Subject: Re: [NMUG] Power Of Windows > > Michael > > Well everyone is entitled to their opinions. > > Regards > > Simon Royal > > --- Catch me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal or Skype: > Simon-Royal > > > > > From: mghc.repps at virgin.net > > To: nmug at nmug.org.uk > > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 10:54:14 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [NMUG] Power Of Windows > > > > Simon. > > > > Boring!! > > > > - Michael. > > 01.12.09. > > > > > > On 1 Dec 2009, at 00:34, Simon Royal wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > As you all know I have made some pretty astonishing claims for such > > > a once ardent Mac fan, but I am tired of the Mac fight and today > > > arrived a temporary replacement for my PowerBook. > > > > > > It is a Samsung A10 - kitted with a Duron 1.1Ghz processor, only > > > 384MB of RAM, DVD drive and only 16MB shared video RAM. It came with > > > 10GB hd installed but was also packed with a 30gb and 60gb hd, so I > > > quickly swapped out the 10GB for the 60GB. > > > > > > Considering it's low specs and low RAM and low video RAM it performs > > > very well. I tried the usual like YouTube and games on FaceBook and > > > it handles them fine, something my 867Mhz G4 PowerBook with 1GB of > > > RAM struggled with. > > > > > > With a bit more RAM it would fly along. > > > > > > I know a lot of you think I am mad and will probably be back in a > > > few months, but my budget really doesn't cater for the expense of a > > > Mac anymore. Not only that, with most things being online based, it > > > is becoming more and more irrelevant what OS you are using and more > > > important what browser you are using. > > > > > > I will stay on the NMUG for a little longer, as I still have my > > > PowerBook for now, but once it has gone there will be no need and I > > > shall say goodbye. > > > > > > Simon Royal > > > > > > --- Catch me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal or Skype: > > > Simon-Royal > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Have more than one Hotmail account? Link them together to easily > > > access both > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394591/direct/01/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > > > Manage your subscription at: > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > > Manage your subscription at: > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add your Gmail and Yahoo! Mail email accounts into Hotmail - it's easy > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394592/direct/01/ > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Simon Royal > To: NMUG > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:39:02 +0000 > Subject: Re: [NMUG] Power Of Windows > > Ferrers > > As I said before, most of my computing time is web based so what platform I > use is pretty irrelevant. > > Other than that I use iTunes, Audacity and Quicktime. All of which are > available cross platform. > > I am using Windows XP at the mo. Even though the machine is old, it out > powers my PowerBook - which didn't have a glossy screen. > > Consider this. A Mac laptop to replace/upgrade my PowerBook would be in the > region of ?150 minimum, I just got this Windows laptop for ?11. > > Simon Royal > > --- Catch me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal or Skype: > Simon-Royal > > > > > From: ferrers_young at hotmail.com > > To: nmug at nmug.org.uk > > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 02:00:59 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [NMUG] Power Of Windows > > > > > > Glad you are happy on the "dark side"... if it does the biz for you... > > > > Interested how you've replaced your AppleScrpits on uncle Bill's machine? > Also what flavour of Windah?s does it run? > > > > The big question: have you escaped the glossy screen? > > > > Ferrers > > (G3 iMac DV+ & G5 iMac) > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > From: simonroyal at live.co.uk > > > To: nmug at nmug.org.uk > > > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 00:34:56 +0000 > > > Subject: [NMUG] Power Of Windows > > > > > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > As you all know I have made some pretty astonishing claims for such a > once ardent Mac fan, but I am tired of the Mac fight and today arrived a > temporary replacement for my PowerBook. > > > > > > It is a Samsung A10 - kitted with a Duron 1.1Ghz processor, only 384MB > of RAM, DVD drive and only 16MB shared video RAM. It came with 10GB hd > installed but was also packed with a 30gb and 60gb hd, so I quickly swapped > out the 10GB for the 60GB. > > > > > > Considering it's low specs and low RAM and low video RAM it performs > very well. I tried the usual like YouTube and games on FaceBook and it > handles them fine, something my 867Mhz G4 PowerBook with 1GB of RAM > struggled with. > > > > > > With a bit more RAM it would fly along. > > > > > > I know a lot of you think I am mad and will probably be back in a few > months, but my budget really doesn't cater for the expense of a Mac anymore. > Not only that, with most things being online based, it is becoming more and > more irrelevant what OS you are using and more important what browser you > are using. > > > > > > I will stay on the NMUG for a little longer, as I still have my > PowerBook for now, but once it has gone there will be no need and I shall > say goodbye. > > > > > > Simon Royal > > > > > > --- Catch me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal or Skype: > Simon-Royal > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Have more than one Hotmail account? Link them together to easily access > both > > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394591/direct/01/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > > > Manage your subscription at: > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > View your other email accounts from your Hotmail inbox. Add them now. > > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394592/direct/01/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > > Manage your subscription at: > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _________________________________________________________________ > Use Hotmail to send and receive mail from your different email accounts > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394592/direct/01/ > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Nathan Crosby > To: Norwich Mac User Group list > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:51:17 +0000 > Subject: [NMUG] Test > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Nathan Crosby > To: Norwich Group list Mac User > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:53:46 +0000 > Subject: [NMUG] Test two > test two > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Ken Arnoldi > To: Norwich Mac User Group list > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 12:58:50 +0000 > Subject: Re: [NMUG] Test two > I received 'test two' > so if you're testing send/receive it's OK! > > Ken Arnoldi > > On 1 Dec 2009, at 12:53, Nathan Crosby wrote: > > > test two > > _______________________________________________ > > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > > Manage your subscription at: > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: nathan crosby > To: Norwich Mac User Group list > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:51:26 +0000 > Subject: Re: [NMUG] Test two > Thanks Ken > > Nathan > > On 1 Dec 2009, at 12:58, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > > I received 'test two' >> so if you're testing send/receive it's OK! >> >> Ken Arnoldi >> >> On 1 Dec 2009, at 12:53, Nathan Crosby wrote: >> >> test two >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: >>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: David Viner > To: Norwich Mac User Group list > Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:57:19 +0000 > Subject: Re: [NMUG] Test two > I've just received "test three" from the future due to a freak warp in the > space/time continuum. In order to prevent any breakdown of quantum > causality, you'd better actually get around to sending "test three" > sometime! I blame the LHC. > > :) > > nathan crosby wrote: > >> Thanks Ken >> >> Nathan >> >> On 1 Dec 2009, at 12:58, Ken Arnoldi wrote: >> >> >> >>> I received 'test two' >>> so if you're testing send/receive it's OK! >>> >>> Ken Arnoldi >>> >>> On 1 Dec 2009, at 12:53, Nathan Crosby wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> test two >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>>> Manage your subscription at: >>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: >>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> >> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: nathan crosby > To: Norwich Mac User Group list > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:10:24 +0000 > Subject: Re: [NMUG] Test two > > Damn, they've broken through the force field filter > > Sprinkle salt by your front door and destroy all packets of Birds custard > powder. > > Nathan > > > On 1 Dec 2009, at 13:57, David Viner wrote: > > I've just received "test three" from the future due to a freak warp in >> the space/time continuum. In order to prevent any breakdown of quantum >> causality, you'd better actually get around to sending "test three" >> sometime! I blame the LHC. >> >> :) >> >> nathan crosby wrote: >> >>> Thanks Ken >>> >>> Nathan >>> >>> On 1 Dec 2009, at 12:58, Ken Arnoldi wrote: >>> >>> >>> I received 'test two' >>>> so if you're testing send/receive it's OK! >>>> >>>> Ken Arnoldi >>>> >>>> On 1 Dec 2009, at 12:53, Nathan Crosby wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> test two >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>>>> Manage your subscription at: >>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>>> Manage your subscription at: >>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: >>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Nathan Crosby > To: Norwich Mac User Group list > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:23:46 +0000 > Subject: [NMUG] Virgin Mail > I can now reveal the reason for my test messages. > > > I have recently been on to Virgin help about their email problem. > > After a false start when they gave me the wrong information, I now have the > workaround. > > in Mail/preferences/account, add 'recent:' in front of your user name. > Thats recent colon without the commas. > > After doing that I received a flood of old emails, but it now appears to > have solved the problem. > > Nathan > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Martin Fry > To: Norwich Mac User Group list > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:36:30 +0000 > Subject: Re: [NMUG] Virgin Mail > > Whoa!! Nathan > > Just did that and got 1354 old emails come in. > > Now I have to go in & Delete them ! > > Martin > > > > >> in Mail/preferences/account, add 'recent:' in front of your user name. >> Thats recent colon without the commas. >> >> After doing that I received a flood of old emails, but it now appears to >> have solved the problem. >> >> Nathan >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > Martin Fry > www.martinfryphotography.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From david.maskell at ntlworld.com Wed Dec 2 08:00:38 2009 From: david.maskell at ntlworld.com (David Maskell) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:00:38 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Winter Fuel (ing the fire) Message-ID: Wow, This is just like an episode of Corontation Street or something... soon there will probably be a murder, and then someone will probably drown.... I haven't posted to this group, for a while anyway, im not feeling to well this week, so have my Mac for comfort while I repair myself, and have been involved more this week than any other time as a member! Anyway, Simon R, hope you get on OK with the PC you are using, they can be handy and sometimes cheaper than living the 'mac' life..... but thanks to this great planet most people can do what they want, and shouldn't be pushed around because they too are 'thinking different' Compared to some people on this group, im a relatively new switcher, now just over a year of living with the mac.... so I am still all pro mac this and negative PC that... but simon does have a point, if all he needs is a browser and he's low on cash, anything with a browser that works is going to suit him fine! and Stefan, you should be ashamed of yourself acting like a twerp.... Apple obviously did not waste all their R&D and investment in technology because people are still happy with them! how long have they been about for? how popular and reliable are they? Some people are a lot less luckier this year than they were, because of a hard hitting recession.... Me on the other hand, would not part with my macs, and my new MBP screen, it's probably the best thing I have looked at in a little package!............... my wife still uses an XP laptop, and I constantly have to become a computer engineer when she uses it.... it's great for her, because all she wants to do also is browse the internet and use google mail... it's just when she wants to print... I got really stuck yesterday and could not 'see' the imac G5 on the network, or the printer... I have sharing turned on and also sharing the printer... but nope... nothing.... can anyone help with what settings I need on my mac, so the XP machine will see the brother printer....... All the best to all hope you have a great run up to christmas! David From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk Wed Dec 2 08:11:22 2009 From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:11:22 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Winter Fuel (ing the fire) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I assume you are sharing the printer from the iMac G5.All that needs is the printer set up and enabled to share. I assume this is a wireless network so it might be the XP machine? Is that set up to share/join a network? Would look on Apple's support/discussions pages Steven Jefferson steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk On 2 Dec 2009, at 08:00, David Maskell wrote: > Wow, > This is just like an episode of Corontation Street or something... > soon there will probably be a murder, and then someone will probably > drown.... > > I haven't posted to this group, for a while anyway, im not feeling to > well this week, so have my Mac for comfort while I repair myself, and > have been involved > more this week than any other time as a member! > > Anyway, Simon R, hope you get on OK with the PC you are using, they > can be handy and sometimes cheaper than living the 'mac' life..... but > thanks to this great planet > most people can do what they want, and shouldn't be pushed around > because they too are 'thinking different' > Compared to some people on this group, im a relatively new switcher, > now just over a year of living with the mac.... so I am still all pro > mac this and negative PC that... > but simon does have a point, if all he needs is a browser and he's low > on cash, anything with a browser that works is going to suit him fine! > and Stefan, you should be ashamed of yourself > acting like a twerp.... Apple obviously did not waste all their R&D > and investment in technology because people are still happy with > them! how long have they been about for? how popular and reliable are > they? Some people are a lot less luckier this year than > they were, because of a hard hitting recession.... > > Me on the other hand, would not part with my macs, and my new MBP > screen, it's probably the best thing I have looked at in a little > package!............... my wife still uses > an XP laptop, and I constantly have to become a computer engineer when > she uses it.... it's great for her, because all she wants to do also > is browse the internet > and use google mail... it's just when she wants to print... I got > really stuck yesterday and could not 'see' the imac G5 on the network, > or the printer... I have sharing turned on > and also sharing the printer... but nope... nothing.... can anyone > help with what settings I need on my mac, so the XP machine will see > the brother printer....... > > All the best to all > > hope you have a great run up to christmas! > > David > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ken.hamer at stackyard.org Wed Dec 2 08:45:43 2009 From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:45:43 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Winter Fuel (ing the fire) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B162937.6070009@stackyard.org> Never mind Coronation Street. It's more like Midsomer Murders. David Maskell wrote: > Wow, > This is just like an episode of Corontation Street or something... > soon there will probably be a murder, and then someone will probably > drown.... > > From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Wed Dec 2 08:57:50 2009 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:57:50 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Winter Fuel (ing the fire) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Might sound obvious, but have you installed/ reinstalled the printer software on both machines? Ken Arnoldi On 2 Dec 2009, at 08:00 AM, David Maskell wrote: > Wow, > This is just like an episode of Corontation Street or something... > soon there will probably be a murder, and then someone will probably > drown.... > > I haven't posted to this group, for a while anyway, im not feeling to > well this week, so have my Mac for comfort while I repair myself, and > have been involved > more this week than any other time as a member! > > Anyway, Simon R, hope you get on OK with the PC you are using, they > can be handy and sometimes cheaper than living the 'mac' life..... but > thanks to this great planet > most people can do what they want, and shouldn't be pushed around > because they too are 'thinking different' > Compared to some people on this group, im a relatively new switcher, > now just over a year of living with the mac.... so I am still all pro > mac this and negative PC that... > but simon does have a point, if all he needs is a browser and he's low > on cash, anything with a browser that works is going to suit him fine! > and Stefan, you should be ashamed of yourself > acting like a twerp.... Apple obviously did not waste all their R&D > and investment in technology because people are still happy with > them! how long have they been about for? how popular and reliable are > they? Some people are a lot less luckier this year than > they were, because of a hard hitting recession.... > > Me on the other hand, would not part with my macs, and my new MBP > screen, it's probably the best thing I have looked at in a little > package!............... my wife still uses > an XP laptop, and I constantly have to become a computer engineer when > she uses it.... it's great for her, because all she wants to do also > is browse the internet > and use google mail... it's just when she wants to print... I got > really stuck yesterday and could not 'see' the imac G5 on the network, > or the printer... I have sharing turned on > and also sharing the printer... but nope... nothing.... can anyone > help with what settings I need on my mac, so the XP machine will see > the brother printer....... > > All the best to all > > hope you have a great run up to christmas! > > David > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From david.maskell at ntlworld.com Wed Dec 2 09:09:10 2009 From: david.maskell at ntlworld.com (David Maskell) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:09:10 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Winter Fuel (ing the fire) Message-ID: <97E18A70-CE26-46C1-A3A7-D135D226D892@ntlworld.com> Hi, yeah, my mac uses the printer fine (it's directly connected to USB) The XP laptop, will not even 'see' the imac G5, I used to be able to browse all it's shared files etc... but now it will not saying things like invalid path etc... hmmm Does SMB/FTP/AFP file sharing have anything to do with it? I only have SMB checked? David From macman at f2s.com Wed Dec 2 09:18:57 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:18:57 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Winter Fuel (ing the fire) In-Reply-To: <97E18A70-CE26-46C1-A3A7-D135D226D892@ntlworld.com> References: <97E18A70-CE26-46C1-A3A7-D135D226D892@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: Do You have Bonjour Installed on the PC? I actually have a printer connected to the PC which i can use from the Mac, but I remember having some problems the other way and I think this fixed it. Very frustrating, though - a lot of setting up workgroups etc ... http://support.apple.com/downloads/Bonjour_for_Windows http://www.softpedia.com/get/Office-tools/Other-Office-Tools/Bonjour.shtml Robbie On 2 Dec 2009, at 09:09, David Maskell wrote: Hi, yeah, my mac uses the printer fine (it's directly connected to USB) The XP laptop, will not even 'see' the imac G5, I used to be able to browse all it's shared files etc... but now it will not saying things like invalid path etc... hmmm Does SMB/FTP/AFP file sharing have anything to do with it? I only have SMB checked? David _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Wed Dec 2 09:29:31 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:29:31 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Wacom Message-ID: <8636F9F0-1C89-4446-AF01-2F626F7F0B2F@virgin.net> Wacom Graphire Wireless Graphics Tablet Does anyone use one? Are they any good? Will the bluetooth wireless work on my MacPro? Regards Martin Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com From david.maskell at ntlworld.com Wed Dec 2 09:53:16 2009 From: david.maskell at ntlworld.com (David Maskell) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:53:16 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Winter Fuel (ing the fire) Message-ID: <5935E43F-4F4E-478E-8B3A-0601EB1D449D@ntlworld.com> Hi Thanks Robbie! I installed bonjour, and it offered me a repair/ uninstall option, which meant I already had it installed.... I uninstalled it, then started again.... now all is well, and my printer shows up in the printers box! excellent... I forgot all about bonjour, as it worked seamlessly before... obviously something broke it... Ta muchly David From david.maskell at ntlworld.com Wed Dec 2 09:59:21 2009 From: david.maskell at ntlworld.com (David Maskell) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:59:21 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Wacom Message-ID: <4359E845-8588-44D3-AA4B-60EFF96AFD9E@ntlworld.com> I have a Wacom Bamboo graphics tablet... they are very accurate and easy to use... They are good for freehand drawing, and touching up photoshop pics etc... easy to erase mistakes as the pen has two ends, an eraser end, and a pen end! The software that came with it was Art rage 2 which was fun to use and a bit of fun, using different types of paint/pencils etc... Wacom as far as I know are reliable, easy to use and are a good brand... some others I tried either didn't work, or were too jittery and not accurate. As far as bluetooth, I assume it will... but best to google it first... David From ernienmug at f2s.com Wed Dec 2 11:28:40 2009 From: ernienmug at f2s.com (Ernie Ives) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:28:40 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Wacom In-Reply-To: <4359E845-8588-44D3-AA4B-60EFF96AFD9E@ntlworld.com> References: <4359E845-8588-44D3-AA4B-60EFF96AFD9E@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <17258C18-B2B7-4CC8-B7C1-CDCCE2742949@f2s.com> Ernie Ives Marquetarian and microscopist I wouldn't wish to be without my Bamboo now even for editing text documents Best wishes Ernie On 2 Dec 2009, at 09:59, David Maskell wrote: > I have a Wacom Bamboo graphics tablet... they are very accurate and > easy to use... > They are good for freehand drawing, and touching up photoshop pics > etc... easy to erase mistakes as the pen > has two ends, an eraser end, and a pen end! > The software that came with it was Art rage 2 which was fun to use and > a bit of fun, using different types of paint/pencils etc... > > Wacom as far as I know are reliable, easy to use and are a good > brand... some others I tried either didn't work, or were too jittery > and not accurate. > > As far as bluetooth, I assume it will... but best to google it first... > > David > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Wed Dec 2 11:33:21 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 11:33:21 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Wacom In-Reply-To: <17258C18-B2B7-4CC8-B7C1-CDCCE2742949@f2s.com> References: <4359E845-8588-44D3-AA4B-60EFF96AFD9E@ntlworld.com> <17258C18-B2B7-4CC8-B7C1-CDCCE2742949@f2s.com> Message-ID: Many thanks for both replies Martin > > I wouldn't wish to be without my Bamboo now even for editing text > documents > > Best wishes > Ernie > > > > On 2 Dec 2009, at 09:59, David Maskell wrote: > >> I have a Wacom Bamboo graphics tablet... they are very accurate and >> easy to use... >> They are good for freehand drawing, and touching up photoshop pics >> etc... easy to erase mistakes as the pen >> has two ends, an eraser end, and a pen end! >> The software that came with it was Art rage 2 which was fun to use >> and >> a bit of fun, using different types of paint/pencils etc... >> >> Wacom as far as I know are reliable, easy to use and are a good >> brand... some others I tried either didn't work, or were too jittery >> and not accurate. >> >> As far as bluetooth, I assume it will... but best to google it >> first... >> >> David >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com From macman at f2s.com Wed Dec 2 12:00:05 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:00:05 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Wacom In-Reply-To: <4359E845-8588-44D3-AA4B-60EFF96AFD9E@ntlworld.com> References: <4359E845-8588-44D3-AA4B-60EFF96AFD9E@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <7D1D87B1-5E07-4CA7-95E9-D5FE043706FF@f2s.com> I saw them at a very good price in Aldi in Plumstead Road (Norwich) a few weeks ago - may still be an odd one left ... Robbie On 2 Dec 2009, at 09:59, David Maskell wrote: I have a Wacom Bamboo graphics tablet... they are very accurate and easy to use... They are good for freehand drawing, and touching up photoshop pics etc... easy to erase mistakes as the pen has two ends, an eraser end, and a pen end! The software that came with it was Art rage 2 which was fun to use and a bit of fun, using different types of paint/pencils etc... Wacom as far as I know are reliable, easy to use and are a good brand... some others I tried either didn't work, or were too jittery and not accurate. As far as bluetooth, I assume it will... but best to google it first... David _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Wed Dec 2 13:18:56 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:18:56 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] AN Englishman Abroad Message-ID: HI In case anyone is interested, the BBC are repeating a film I photographed, 'An Englishman Abroad' this Saturday(5 Nov) BBC2 7.20pm Nathan From penguinsplj at me.com Wed Dec 2 13:25:40 2009 From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:25:40 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] AN Englishman Abroad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4661FB27-735E-436B-87EF-E79C283EC5F2@me.com> On Dec 2, 2009, at 13:18, nathan crosby wrote: > In case anyone is interested, the BBC are repeating a film I > photographed, 'An Englishman Abroad' this Saturday(5 Nov) > BBC2 7.20pm And this was one of your BAFTAs as well I believe. An excellent film and I look forward to seeing it again. Do you get repeat fees? Paul C From mercer at gotadsl.co.uk Wed Dec 2 14:27:34 2009 From: mercer at gotadsl.co.uk (Valerie Mercer) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:27:34 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] AN Englishman Abroad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 5 Dec perhaps? Have set the recorder. Valerie On 2 Dec 2009, at 13:18, nathan crosby wrote: HI In case anyone is interested, the BBC are repeating a film I photographed, 'An Englishman Abroad' this Saturday(5 Nov) BBC2 7.20pm Nathan _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From peterforrester at waitrose.com Wed Dec 2 15:59:31 2009 From: peterforrester at waitrose.com (Peter Forrester) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 15:59:31 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Classic wanted Message-ID: Dear All, I have just tried to connect my rarely-used Epson stylus C60 up to my nearly new Intel iMac (leopard) and got a message saying that Classic is no longer supported. The Epson site seemed to suggest that an updater for Intel was available and I down loaded a "Common Updater" - epson 13044_driver_updater_v5, but the message is the same. I strongly suspect that solutions via Sheepshaver(?) would be beyond me. I was happily bumbling along on a G3 iMac and OS9 until twelve months ago, when the hard drive went, and was kindly replaced by David Van Edwards. So I was able to upgrade as far as Panther until this summer when we had a thunderstorm and a lightning strike caused a surge down the telephone cable which partially fried the motherboard(?). Its more than forty years since we last claimed on household insurance so I was very agreeably surprised when I got most of the price of a new Intel 20" iMac. Unfortunately they insisted on taking away the G3. I've since discovered that my saved emails in Panther's mail won't open in Leopard, that my mono laser printer is slower and lacking controls. I miss photo deluxe, and never did try that Lara Croft game. I've not yet dared to insert my nearly-free Snow Leopard disk in case I ruin Appleworks. Any advice gladly received? I suspect that my best answer is another G3 - I have the original OS9 & 10 disks still. So, yes please Paul, if you still have it, but I'll want a hard drive or advice about getting one. Or if anybody else has or knows of one? Will pay a reasonable price or donation to any good cause. Peter From ricnev at mac.com Wed Dec 2 16:13:53 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:13:53 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Next NMUG Basics Course - Intro to Graphics on Macs? Message-ID: I'm just starting to prepare for our next workshop which will be on Saturday 12th December, 10.00 'till 12 noon as usual at St. Matthews Church. This time, I was thinking of running through a few basic computer graphics principles, ready for a series of courses on Photoshop Elements and on to PS CS4. Much of what we'd look at would relate to how to capture images, what formats are available, which formats are for what purpose and how to resize/resample images for various end uses such a web pages and email. I'd be looking at a number of Mac graphics tools, including GraphicConverter. Would this outline be of interest? Are there any volunteers who could help me with their expert graphics knowledge on the day (by expert, I mean even a smattering of knowledge about the subject - I have never done any professional graphics work). Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From ricnev at mac.com Wed Dec 2 16:22:56 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:22:56 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Classic wanted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Can they do that?! I would have thought they could have transferred title to the dead beast back to you for a nominal sum. On 2 Dec 2009, at 15:59, Peter Forrester wrote: > Unfortunately they insisted on taking away the G3. Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk Wed Dec 2 16:27:18 2009 From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:27:18 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Classic wanted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a G3 plus associated bits looking for a good home. Give me a shout we may be able to arrange something. Plus it does have the Lara Croft game installed! Michael Woodhouse mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ On 2 Dec 2009, at 15:59, Peter Forrester wrote: > Dear All, > > I have just tried to connect my rarely-used Epson stylus C60 up to my > nearly new Intel iMac (leopard) and got a message saying that Classic > is no longer supported. The Epson site seemed to suggest that an > updater for Intel was available and I down loaded a "Common Updater" - > epson 13044_driver_updater_v5, but the message is the same. I > strongly suspect that solutions via Sheepshaver(?) would be beyond me. > > I was happily bumbling along on a G3 iMac and OS9 until twelve months > ago, when the hard drive went, and was kindly replaced by David Van > Edwards. So I was able to upgrade as far as Panther until this summer > when we had a thunderstorm and a lightning strike caused a surge down > the telephone cable which partially fried the motherboard(?). Its > more than forty years since we last claimed on household insurance so > I was very agreeably surprised when I got most of the price of a new > Intel 20" iMac. Unfortunately they insisted on taking away the G3. > > I've since discovered that my saved emails in Panther's mail won't > open in Leopard, that my mono laser printer is slower and lacking > controls. I miss photo deluxe, and never did try that Lara Croft > game. I've not yet dared to insert my nearly-free Snow Leopard disk > in case I ruin Appleworks. Any advice gladly received? I suspect > that my best answer is another G3 - I have the original OS9 & 10 disks > still. So, yes please Paul, if you still have it, but I'll want a > hard drive or advice about getting one. Or if anybody else has or > knows of one? Will pay a reasonable price or donation to any good > cause. > > Peter > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ricnev at mac.com Wed Dec 2 16:35:30 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:35:30 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Classic wanted In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46ACB7A7-FEBC-4BF3-B216-667B49123EFD@mac.com> The consensus is that iWorks will do virtually everything Appleworks did, but better and faster. Most/all legacy files should work OK. Here is Apple's FAQ: http://www.apple.com/support/appleworks/faq/ If you still want to try to use Appleworks on your new iMac under Snow Leopard, you could do a complete clone of your existing Leopard setup to go back to if Appleworks doesn't perform properly under SL. There are people who report having no problems using Appleworks under SL. On 2 Dec 2009, at 15:59, Peter Forrester wrote: > I've not yet dared to insert my nearly-free Snow Leopard disk > in case I ruin Appleworks. Any advice gladly received? Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk Wed Dec 2 16:39:00 2009 From: footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk (joe butler) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:39:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [NMUG] Wanted - OSX 10.3 or 10.4 on CD Message-ID: <112715.11858.qm@web26706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Just found out my VD copy has been eaten by my little boy and is not much cop! If anyone has a copy of 10.3 or 10.4 on CD I could get a copy of I would forever be in your debt Thanks Joe From band1 at mac.com Wed Dec 2 16:50:18 2009 From: band1 at mac.com (David King) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:50:18 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Classic wanted In-Reply-To: <46ACB7A7-FEBC-4BF3-B216-667B49123EFD@mac.com> References: <46ACB7A7-FEBC-4BF3-B216-667B49123EFD@mac.com> Message-ID: Appleworks appears to work on Snow Leopard on my iMac. I can't say I use it as I have iWorks and as Richard says it far better than AP as it can do so much more. I think you might have to install Rosetta for AP to work. David On 2 Dec 2009, at 16:35, Richard Nevill wrote: > The consensus is that iWorks will do virtually everything Appleworks did, but better and faster. Most/all legacy files should work OK. Here is Apple's FAQ: > > http://www.apple.com/support/appleworks/faq/ > > If you still want to try to use Appleworks on your new iMac under Snow Leopard, you could do a complete clone of your existing Leopard setup to go back to if Appleworks doesn't perform properly under SL. > There are people who report having no problems using Appleworks under SL. > > > On 2 Dec 2009, at 15:59, Peter Forrester wrote: > >> I've not yet dared to insert my nearly-free Snow Leopard disk >> in case I ruin Appleworks. Any advice gladly received? > > Richard Nevill > ricnev at mac.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Wed Dec 2 16:50:31 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 16:50:31 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] AN Englishman Abroad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7238CBF9-F067-4C12-B6B8-DADFDE6803E0@virgin.net> Sorry Valerie I meant 5th Dec. No repeat fees unfortunately Paul. I was a staffer. Nathan On 2 Dec 2009, at 14:27, Valerie Mercer wrote: > 5 Dec perhaps? > Have set the recorder. > > Valerie > On 2 Dec 2009, at 13:18, nathan crosby wrote: > > HI > In case anyone is interested, the BBC are repeating a film I > photographed, 'An Englishman Abroad' this Saturday(5 Nov) > BBC2 7.20pm > > Nathan > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com Wed Dec 2 18:04:59 2009 From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:04:59 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Disk Utility Message-ID: <55579FAA-E774-4DAF-9FD5-1701F68AC075@ntlworld.com> Hi, just messing about on my mb and started Disk Utility just to see how space was used on the hard, and I able to briefly see my Time Capsule. It then disappeared after I clicked on the partition, is it possible to use Disk Utility with a Time Capsule. Kerin From simonroyal at live.co.uk Wed Dec 2 18:35:51 2009 From: simonroyal at live.co.uk (Simon Royal) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 18:35:51 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Goodbye All Message-ID: Hi. As I no longer use my Mac, I have decided to unsubscribe. I have been a member for quite a few years now and have made some good friends and good contacts. I will miss the majority of you, you are a great bunch of helpful people. I do feel the group is aimed more at those with new machines and have felt a bit out of place by some of your comments because I always deal with older machines. Only a couple of the 30 odd Macs I have owned have been new, the rest second or third hand and some of those I used as my main machine were reaching nearly 10 years old. Since the move to Windows/Linux you have shown your true colours. Macs are great but they are still a minority and will be for a long time. The ?11 computer I have at the moment out powers my PowerBook G4 and does everything I need, therefore I see no wrong in using it. After all, a computer - whatever platform - is as useful as the tasks it completes. My PowerBook was third-hand and only ?50, but no-one scoffed at that. There are a few of you I won't be sad to see the back of. Some of you are stuck up and arrogant, snobbish bullies. Some of you need to learn a little respect as we all have differing areas of expertise and opinions. After all, this is the point of a group like this, not to put people down who has differing views or make them feel inferior. Stefan, you have some very good experience - which has helped me out too - but you really need to wake up and realise your humour is not always appreciated and your nasty tongue can upset people. I have been known in the past to snap at people on the group, but at least I have the dignity to apologise if I am wrong or if I offend. If any of you want to keep in touch my email address is simonroyal at live.co.uk. If at any point in the future I purchase another Mac I shall rejoin. Also, I still have my PowerBook G4 for sale if anyone is interested, please email me. Well, goodbye, it's been fun, signing off. Simon Royal --- Catch me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal or Skype: Simon-Royal _________________________________________________________________ Got more than one Hotmail account? Save time by linking them together http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394591/direct/01/ From tom at tomkershaw.com Wed Dec 2 19:31:52 2009 From: tom at tomkershaw.com (Tom Kershaw) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:31:52 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] AN Englishman Abroad In-Reply-To: <7238CBF9-F067-4C12-B6B8-DADFDE6803E0@virgin.net> References: <7238CBF9-F067-4C12-B6B8-DADFDE6803E0@virgin.net> Message-ID: <4B16C0A8.1050900@tomkershaw.com> Nathan, Do you know whether the BBC still keep camera department people on staff, or is it now all freelance or independent production? Tom nathan crosby wrote: > Sorry Valerie I meant 5th Dec. No repeat fees unfortunately Paul. I > was a staffer. > > Nathan > > > > On 2 Dec 2009, at 14:27, Valerie Mercer wrote: > > >> 5 Dec perhaps? >> Have set the recorder. >> >> Valerie >> On 2 Dec 2009, at 13:18, nathan crosby wrote: >> >> HI >> In case anyone is interested, the BBC are repeating a film I >> photographed, 'An Englishman Abroad' this Saturday(5 Nov) >> BBC2 7.20pm >> >> Nathan >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Wed Dec 2 19:41:38 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:41:38 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] AN Englishman Abroad In-Reply-To: <4B16C0A8.1050900@tomkershaw.com> References: <7238CBF9-F067-4C12-B6B8-DADFDE6803E0@virgin.net> <4B16C0A8.1050900@tomkershaw.com> Message-ID: <5F7947D0-25BA-4220-BB54-591702F5702F@virgin.net> Tom, I can only speak for film cameramen. The film department has been closed and Ealing studios is now a commercial operation used as a' four waller' for hire by film and video productions. Sadly. Nathan On 2 Dec 2009, at 19:31, Tom Kershaw wrote: > Nathan, > > Do you know whether the BBC still keep camera department people on > staff, or is it now all freelance or independent production? > > Tom > From tom at tomkershaw.com Wed Dec 2 19:52:43 2009 From: tom at tomkershaw.com (Tom Kershaw) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:52:43 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] AN Englishman Abroad In-Reply-To: <5F7947D0-25BA-4220-BB54-591702F5702F@virgin.net> References: <7238CBF9-F067-4C12-B6B8-DADFDE6803E0@virgin.net> <4B16C0A8.1050900@tomkershaw.com> <5F7947D0-25BA-4220-BB54-591702F5702F@virgin.net> Message-ID: <4B16C58B.9080602@tomkershaw.com> Nathan, So the BBC had a dedicated film department in the technical or production sense that was separate from everyday television production? What was the time line of film use for "television" work? Tom nathan crosby wrote: > Tom, I can only speak for film cameramen. The film department has been > closed and Ealing studios > is now a commercial operation used as a' four waller' for hire by > film and video productions. Sadly. > > Nathan > > > On 2 Dec 2009, at 19:31, Tom Kershaw wrote: > > >> Nathan, >> >> Do you know whether the BBC still keep camera department people on >> staff, or is it now all freelance or independent production? >> >> Tom >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Wed Dec 2 20:01:54 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:01:54 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] AN Englishman Abroad In-Reply-To: <4B16C58B.9080602@tomkershaw.com> References: <7238CBF9-F067-4C12-B6B8-DADFDE6803E0@virgin.net> <4B16C0A8.1050900@tomkershaw.com> <5F7947D0-25BA-4220-BB54-591702F5702F@virgin.net> <4B16C58B.9080602@tomkershaw.com> Message-ID: <8F9FA402-FCB2-43B3-BA23-2F9D18B68D02@virgin.net> Tom, plug! You might be interested in my book 'A cameraman Abroad' (Larks Press) Which describes my 30 years at Ealing and beyond' Nathan Natthan On 2 Dec 2009, at 19:52, Tom Kershaw wrote: > Nathan, > > So the BBC had a dedicated film department in the technical or > production sense that was separate from everyday television > production? > What was the time line of film use for "television" work? > > Tom > > nathan crosby wrote: >> Tom, I can only speak for film cameramen. The film department has >> been >> closed and Ealing studios >> is now a commercial operation used as a' four waller' for hire by >> film and video productions. Sadly. >> >> Nathan >> >> >> On 2 Dec 2009, at 19:31, Tom Kershaw wrote: >> >> >>> Nathan, >>> >>> Do you know whether the BBC still keep camera department people on >>> staff, or is it now all freelance or independent production? >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com Wed Dec 2 20:09:18 2009 From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:09:18 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Wacom In-Reply-To: <8636F9F0-1C89-4446-AF01-2F626F7F0B2F@virgin.net> References: <8636F9F0-1C89-4446-AF01-2F626F7F0B2F@virgin.net> Message-ID: <3673A5FC-29F6-4CC3-83B2-A44F78FCAD14@ruthmurray.f2s.com> Sorry about the late response. I use it all the time. I'm using one now. For work with Illustrator and Photoshop I wouldn't wish to be without it. I have A5 pad within a larger surround, perfectly adequate. Ruth On 2 Dec 2009, at 09:29, Martin Fry wrote: > Wacom Graphire Wireless Graphics Tablet > > > Does anyone use one? > > Are they any good? > > Will the bluetooth wireless work on my MacPro? > > Regards > > Martin > > Martin Fry > www.martinfryphotography.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug > Ruth Murray ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com Ruth Murray Graphic Design and Illustration 01603 632334 Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net From tom at tomkershaw.com Wed Dec 2 20:14:32 2009 From: tom at tomkershaw.com (Tom Kershaw) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:14:32 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] AN Englishman Abroad In-Reply-To: <8F9FA402-FCB2-43B3-BA23-2F9D18B68D02@virgin.net> References: <7238CBF9-F067-4C12-B6B8-DADFDE6803E0@virgin.net> <4B16C0A8.1050900@tomkershaw.com> <5F7947D0-25BA-4220-BB54-591702F5702F@virgin.net> <4B16C58B.9080602@tomkershaw.com> <8F9FA402-FCB2-43B3-BA23-2F9D18B68D02@virgin.net> Message-ID: <4B16CAA8.4010807@tomkershaw.com> Nathan, Thank you for the recommendation. Tom nathan crosby wrote: > Tom, plug! > You might be interested in my book 'A cameraman Abroad' (Larks Press) > Which describes my 30 years at Ealing and beyond' > > Nathan > > > Natthan > On 2 Dec 2009, at 19:52, Tom Kershaw wrote: > > >> Nathan, >> >> So the BBC had a dedicated film department in the technical or >> production sense that was separate from everyday television >> production? >> What was the time line of film use for "television" work? >> >> Tom >> >> nathan crosby wrote: >> >>> Tom, I can only speak for film cameramen. The film department has >>> been >>> closed and Ealing studios >>> is now a commercial operation used as a' four waller' for hire by >>> film and video productions. Sadly. >>> >>> Nathan >>> >>> >>> On 2 Dec 2009, at 19:31, Tom Kershaw wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> Nathan, >>>> >>>> Do you know whether the BBC still keep camera department people on >>>> staff, or is it now all freelance or independent production? >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk Wed Dec 2 20:49:13 2009 From: footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk (joe butler) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:49:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [NMUG] Goodbye All In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <701234.48539.qm@web26704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I for one will miss the banter mate, see you in the real world Viva Linux!! Norwich Computer Company Apple Mac, iPhone & PC Repairs http://www.apple-macs.eu --- On Wed, 2/12/09, Simon Royal wrote: From: Simon Royal Subject: [NMUG] Goodbye All To: "NMUG" Date: Wednesday, 2 December, 2009, 18:35 Hi. As I no longer use my Mac, I have decided to unsubscribe. I have been a member for quite a few years now and have made some good friends and good contacts. I will miss the majority of you, you are a great bunch of helpful people. I do feel the group is aimed more at those with new machines and have felt a bit out of place by some of your comments because I always deal with older machines. Only a couple of the 30 odd Macs I have owned have been new, the rest second or third hand and some of those I used as my main machine were reaching nearly 10 years old. Since the move to Windows/Linux you have shown your true colours. Macs are great but they are still a minority and will be for a long time. The ?11 computer I have at the moment out powers my PowerBook G4 and does everything I need, therefore I see no wrong in using it. After all, a computer - whatever platform - is as useful as the tasks it completes. My PowerBook was third-hand and only ?50, but no-one scoffed at that. There are a few of you I won't be sad to see the back of. Some of you are stuck up and arrogant, snobbish bullies. Some of you need to learn a little respect as we all have differing areas of expertise and opinions. After all, this is the point of a group like this, not to put people down who has differing views or make them feel inferior. Stefan, you have some very good experience - which has helped me out too - but you really need to wake up and realise your humour is not always appreciated and your nasty tongue can upset people. I have been known in the past to snap at people on the group, but at least I have the dignity to apologise if I am wrong or if I offend. If any of you want to keep in touch my email address is simonroyal at live.co.uk. If at any point in the future I purchase another Mac I shall rejoin. Also, I still have my PowerBook G4 for sale if anyone is interested, please email me. Well, goodbye, it's been fun, signing off. Simon Royal --- Catch me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/SimonRoyal or Skype: Simon-Royal ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ? _________________________________________________________________ Got more than one Hotmail account? Save time by linking them together http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394591/direct/01/ _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk Wed Dec 2 20:54:33 2009 From: footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk (joe butler) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:54:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [NMUG] Job offer Message-ID: <358304.60720.qm@web26703.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> This email was sent to me by a friend and may of use to someone on the group Hello Joe ? My colleague Anthony Speed is currently recruiting for an urgent requirement based in Ipswich and I thought I'd drop you a line to see if you could help us. With current unemployment levels at an all time high in the UK, this role might not be for you but you may know someone who is looking for a new role. Unfortunately this company can not sponsor work visa's or permit. ? 2 systems developers C#, .NET, Java script, SQL, 2 Systems Developers. ?30K, Ipswich. Exciting opportunity for a dynamic individual to join a talented award winning development team utilising their skills in C#, .NET, Java script and SQL development. The successful candidate will be dynamic and have the desire to stay abreast of current technologies and industry practice and will work within the team to enhance technical capabilities. Your will be required to develop and support a range of new and existing web-based systems whilst also being involved in the full development life cycle of products to an already existing core application. The ideal candidate must have several years commercial experience of Microsoft SQL, C# / .Net and Java script. Any experience of using Crystal reporting or Reporting Services would also be useful in enhancing your application. This role is urgent so please do not delay in applying should you be interested! This company are interviewing before Christmas with a view to starting applicants asap. ? Many thanks in advance! ? ? Ian Tunnicliff (FIRP) Fellow of the Institute of Recruitment Professionals Sales Director Direct Line 0121 237 3203 Main Switchboard Number: 0844 567 3000 Main Fax Number: 0844 567 4000 Email iant at monarchrecruitment.co.uk Website www.monarchrecruitment.co.uk London, Birmingham, Bristol, Dublin, Edinburgh, Leeds, Manchester, Windsor "Established in 1992 and employing 140+ consultants, we provide a fast recruitment service supplying permanent I.T. professionals across the SME & corporate market places. " Monarch Recruitment is an ISO9001:2000 certified company From peterforrester at waitrose.com Wed Dec 2 20:58:49 2009 From: peterforrester at waitrose.com (Peter Forrester) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:58:49 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Classic wanted Message-ID: Unfortunately the last G3 went to Eastbourne, at a couple of hours notice, where it was declared genuinely irreparable. I have bought iWork and am quite sure it will be very good, possibly even superior to Appleworks when I've learnt to use it. So far I've tried to drag a landscape-shaped PDF graphic into it which immediately turns sideways. In Appleworks it remains horizontal. Help doesn't like the word 'rotate' at all. Perhaps I'll buy the book. The next Basics subject sounds good. Perhaps it'll have my answer. Peter From minkennison at mac.com Wed Dec 2 21:04:35 2009 From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:04:35 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Next NMUG Basics Course - Intro to Graphics on Macs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <80D26B41-E50A-4840-B24B-34E23F6A8BDB@mac.com> Hi Richard. Count me in Min On 2 Dec 2009, at 16:132 Dec 2009, Richard Nevill wrote: > I'm just starting to prepare for our next workshop which will be on Saturday 12th December, 10.00 'till 12 noon as usual at St. Matthews Church. > > This time, I was thinking of running through a few basic computer graphics principles, ready for a series of courses on Photoshop Elements and on to PS CS4. > Much of what we'd look at would relate to how to capture images, what formats are available, which formats are for what purpose and how to resize/resample images for various end uses such a web pages and email. > I'd be looking at a number of Mac graphics tools, including GraphicConverter. > > Would this outline be of interest? Are there any volunteers who could help me with their expert graphics knowledge on the day (by expert, I mean even a smattering of knowledge about the subject - I have never done any professional graphics work). > > > > Richard Nevill > ricnev at mac.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com Wed Dec 2 21:14:33 2009 From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 21:14:33 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Simon Message-ID: I've only been a member of this group since March time, and have just been watching what goes on, with the odd question thrown in which does not always get an answer. I can understand what you are saying about groups, as a ex user of Linux and the bad experience of the groups ie the most common answer was R,T,F,B (read the F-ing book). I hope people take on board what you have just said. Good Luck Kerin From ricnev at mac.com Wed Dec 2 21:23:50 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:23:50 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Footling Book In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70FED0E4-77A1-4A1D-8BA9-22D2EE3811E7@mac.com> In this group, I hope/believe the community spirit is such that there will always be a goodly number of people around willing to help others interpret and understand the footling book. On 2 Dec 2009, at 21:14, Kerin Westgate wrote: > bad experience of the groups ie the most common answer was R,T,F,B > (read the F-ing book). Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com Wed Dec 2 21:27:29 2009 From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 21:27:29 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Footling Book In-Reply-To: <70FED0E4-77A1-4A1D-8BA9-22D2EE3811E7@mac.com> References: <70FED0E4-77A1-4A1D-8BA9-22D2EE3811E7@mac.com> Message-ID: <73EEAD2D-C45B-459C-9414-B6B246BCF980@ntlworld.com> I do hope so. Any chance of an answer to the question I asked about Disk Utility earlier :) Kerin On 2 Dec 2009, at 21:23, Richard Nevill wrote: > In this group, I hope/believe the community spirit is such that there > will always be a goodly number of people around willing to help others > interpret and understand the footling book. > > > On 2 Dec 2009, at 21:14, Kerin Westgate wrote: > >> bad experience of the groups ie the most common answer was R,T,F,B >> (read the F-ing book). > > Richard Nevill > ricnev at mac.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ricnev at mac.com Wed Dec 2 21:53:40 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:53:40 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Disk Utility In-Reply-To: <55579FAA-E774-4DAF-9FD5-1701F68AC075@ntlworld.com> References: <55579FAA-E774-4DAF-9FD5-1701F68AC075@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <96316094-2F3A-4DFB-BEF1-ECE1B49646FA@mac.com> No I don't think so - I think disk utility can only examine and repair directly attached SATA, Firewire or USB drives. I don't think it works on network drives like Time Capsule. On 2 Dec 2009, at 18:04, Kerin Westgate wrote: > Hi, just messing about on my mb and started Disk Utility just to see how space was used on the hard, and I able to briefly see my Time Capsule. It then disappeared after I clicked on the partition, is it possible to use Disk Utility with a Time Capsule. > > Kerin > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From ricnev at mac.com Wed Dec 2 22:01:28 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:01:28 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Disk Utility In-Reply-To: <55579FAA-E774-4DAF-9FD5-1701F68AC075@ntlworld.com> References: <55579FAA-E774-4DAF-9FD5-1701F68AC075@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: On 2 Dec 2009, at 18:04, Kerin Westgate wrote: > started Disk Utility just to see how space was used on the hard [drive] If you want to have a more graphic view of your hard drive usage, you might like Disk Inventory X: http://www.derlien.com/ Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From lizbarnard at btinternet.com Wed Dec 2 22:47:19 2009 From: lizbarnard at btinternet.com (Liz) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:47:19 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Graphics training Message-ID: Richard, put me down for this one. I?ve got two performances of the village panto but if I run fast I can just about make the matinee! Liz Barnard From stairbooks at yahoo.co.uk Wed Dec 2 23:48:32 2009 From: stairbooks at yahoo.co.uk (Stair) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 23:48:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [NMUG] Next NMUG Basics Course - Intro to Graphics on Macs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <895379.9292.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi Richard, Please count me in too. It might be an idea for someone to post an easy link for people interested to get GraphicConverter for free as a download? Stair From ricnev at mac.com Thu Dec 3 00:09:24 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 00:09:24 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Next NMUG Basics Course - Intro to Graphics on Macs? In-Reply-To: <895379.9292.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <895379.9292.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5632DD93-0F98-4102-95BD-1992A63231F6@mac.com> GraphicConverter is not free - it is shareware, although the only restrictions of the unregistered version is that it takes slightly longer to start and the batch processing function is disabled. The price to register is ?29.95 - a very good price for such a full-featured and useful program. The download link is: http://www.lemkesoft.com/public/content/index._cGlkPTg4_.html On 2 Dec 2009, at 23:48, Stair wrote: > Hi Richard, > > Please count me in too. > > It might be an idea for someone to post an easy link for people interested to get GraphicConverter for free as a download? Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk Thu Dec 3 01:40:13 2009 From: footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk (joe butler) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 01:40:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [NMUG] Exodus Message-ID: <512316.77221.qm@web26705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Having also tried of the bitching & bulling taking place on the group I also have made up my mind? to leave also. At the end of the day a Mac is just a computer, a box full of bits ( mostly badly made bits!) just the same a a toaster or a TV. I can not be arsed to read the nonsense being spouted my the few on here that have appointed themselves the NMUG overlords. I think it time a few of you unplug? and step out into the real world. ?Stefan if you spoke to a friend of mine (as Simon is) in my presence you would be picking you much love mac out off you arse for a good few weeks. Maybe you mother never loved you or you where picked on at school but whatever the reason you are a vile bulling little man and I wish nothing but bad things for you. Thank you and good night From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk Thu Dec 3 07:35:45 2009 From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 07:35:45 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] OK, so now Joe and Simon have left, lets Message-ID: <81162B66-FD35-46BE-8949-FBFE587468F9@zen.co.uk> get back to basics and use this group as a means to help newcomers to the Mac and exchange ideas and help each other with this platforms issues. I do have to say that in my opinion the "bitching & bulling" referred to by Joe is very much self inflicted, by Joe not being easily contactable despite holding himself out as a hardware specialist (I can vouch for this personally) and for Simon's substantial posting in the past about things which not every member has any great interest. As someone who has helped Simon out with kit over the last year or so I'm sad he's felt necessary to turn to the Dark Side but.....that's life. Lets move on, we seem to be acquiring many new members and from a Mac Owner of 10 years this february lets welcome them all. Steven Jefferson steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk From michelehurst at mac.com Thu Dec 3 08:52:40 2009 From: michelehurst at mac.com (Michele Hurst) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 08:52:40 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] ipod purchases Message-ID: Hi All Am I missing something? All purchases from itunes to my mac I can then transfer onto any of my ipods. However some songs I purchased straight onto my iphone and then transferred to my mac will not transfer onto my shuffle that I use for the gym. Is this right or am I doing something wrong. It is very annoying! Thanks Michele From richardivers at mac.com Thu Dec 3 09:04:27 2009 From: richardivers at mac.com (Richard Ivers) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:04:27 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Next NMUG Basics Course - Intro to Graphics on Macs? In-Reply-To: <5632DD93-0F98-4102-95BD-1992A63231F6@mac.com> References: <895379.9292.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <5632DD93-0F98-4102-95BD-1992A63231F6@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Richard, count me in, granddaughters permitting. Richard From lizbarnard at btinternet.com Thu Dec 3 09:15:47 2009 From: lizbarnard at btinternet.com (Liz) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:15:47 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Losing people from NMUG Message-ID: Instead of losing good people from the group perhaps the time has come to ask Stefan to retire ? since he seems to get so many peoples? backs up? Liz From ken.hamer at stackyard.org Thu Dec 3 09:38:31 2009 From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:38:31 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Losing people from NMUG In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B178717.6050108@stackyard.org> Oh come on folks! Everyone has a contribution to make. Stefan, Simon and Joe have all contributed extremely useful and interesting posts. It is unfortunate that some people have taken some of the things that have been written more personally than perhaps they should have done and that is unfortunate. I actually enjoy Simon's PC ramblings as well as Stefan's historical diatribes. It's all great stuff. Now let's have some love, understanding and Macs - or even understanding Macs - or even loving AND understanding Macs. Ken Liz wrote: > Instead of losing good people from the group perhaps the time has come to > ask Stefan to retire ? since he seems to get so many peoples? backs up? > > Liz > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu Dec 3 09:44:00 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:44:00 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Freeview HD Message-ID: <4DD52793-593D-407C-B4DE-E6E09BB18B53@durrant.co.uk> There are a couple of interesting article on Freeview HD on theregister.com: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/11/19/freeview_hd_kit/ http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/12/03/freeview_hd_launch_report/ And on a Mac-related note, the use of DVB-T2 for Freeview HD means that no current USB TV Tubers for Mac will be able to recieve the HD signal used in the UK. That should change over the next year and a bit, so that by the time Freeview HD comes to Norfolk, tuners should be available for the Mac. regards, Paul From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu Dec 3 09:46:29 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:46:29 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Losing people from NMUG In-Reply-To: <4B178717.6050108@stackyard.org> References: <4B178717.6050108@stackyard.org> Message-ID: On 3 Dec 2009, at 09:38, Ken Hamer wrote: > Now let's have some love, understanding and Macs - or even > understanding Macs - or even loving AND understanding Macs. Well said. I'd very much appreciate it if personal comments could be kept to a minimum. If it seems to be on the rise again, I'll switch to moderating the list again for a bit. Paul NMUG listmanager From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk Thu Dec 3 09:56:31 2009 From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:56:31 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Losing people from NMUG In-Reply-To: References: <4B178717.6050108@stackyard.org> Message-ID: <73C59D00-F795-47DB-9EF7-37B2813C13A5@mendelsohn.me.uk> Thanks Paul. I was just going to contact you about this. Maybe we need to return to the rationale for NMUG being set up - as I see it to help those experiencing problems with their Macs and software, and for those who wish to meet together to discuss Mac issues. Phyll and Ed On 3 Dec 2009, at 09:46, Paul Durrant wrote: > > Well said. I'd very much appreciate it if personal comments could be > kept to a minimum. If it seems to be on the rise again, I'll switch to > moderating the list again for a bit. > > Paul > NMUG listmanager > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From band1 at mac.com Thu Dec 3 10:43:05 2009 From: band1 at mac.com (David King) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:43:05 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Losing people from NMUG In-Reply-To: <73C59D00-F795-47DB-9EF7-37B2813C13A5@mendelsohn.me.uk> References: <4B178717.6050108@stackyard.org> <73C59D00-F795-47DB-9EF7-37B2813C13A5@mendelsohn.me.uk> Message-ID: <75F70AE2-40AE-4F51-98FB-3F21FE1B8532@mac.com> I would agree with that. I have been a member for about ten years and during that time behaviour on this site, rather like that in society in general, has deteriorated. There still are, fortunately, many new members and those of long standing who stand by those early standards. If people like Simon and others want to post numerous thoughts each day I have no problem with that as long as it is on the subject of Macs and problems with them. Anything else is irrelevant and I don't want or be bothered to read them. Also it just clogs my inbox. For some names I have them directed to the junk box as that seems to be the only appropriate way to clear out the irrelevant. If members want to discuss, or bitch as some call it, they have a perfect way of doing so. Its called a personal mail and can be sent off group. I really hope this sorts itself out and I believe some moderation from Paul (and/or others) is probably needed for a while. I want to enjoy the Mac group but I find I am reading less and less and deleting whole sections of mail purely because it is lacking Mac content, of no interest, and therefore post much less myself. Finally it would be nice if everyone who is helped says thank you to those that have. That small item of courtesy is also ignored by some people. David On 3 Dec 2009, at 09:56, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: > Thanks Paul. I was just going to contact you about this. > > Maybe we need to return to the rationale for NMUG being set up - as I see it to help those experiencing problems with their Macs and software, and for those who wish to meet together to discuss Mac issues. > > Phyll and Ed > > On 3 Dec 2009, at 09:46, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> >> Well said. I'd very much appreciate it if personal comments could be >> kept to a minimum. If it seems to be on the rise again, I'll switch to >> moderating the list again for a bit. >> >> Paul >> NMUG listmanager >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From richardivers at mac.com Thu Dec 3 10:57:22 2009 From: richardivers at mac.com (Richard Ivers) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 10:57:22 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Losing people from NMUG In-Reply-To: <75F70AE2-40AE-4F51-98FB-3F21FE1B8532@mac.com> References: <4B178717.6050108@stackyard.org> <73C59D00-F795-47DB-9EF7-37B2813C13A5@mendelsohn.me.uk> <75F70AE2-40AE-4F51-98FB-3F21FE1B8532@mac.com> Message-ID: I concur with all of the comments below. Richard On 3 Dec 2009, at 10:43, David King wrote: > I would agree with that. > > I have been a member for about ten years and during that time behaviour on this site, rather like that in society in general, has deteriorated. There still are, fortunately, many new members and those of long standing who stand by those early standards. If people like Simon and others want to post numerous thoughts each day I have no problem with that as long as it is on the subject of Macs and problems with them. Anything else is irrelevant and I don't want or be bothered to read them. Also it just clogs my inbox. For some names I have them directed to the junk box as that seems to be the only appropriate way to clear out the irrelevant. > > If members want to discuss, or bitch as some call it, they have a perfect way of doing so. Its called a personal mail and can be sent off group. I really hope this sorts itself out and I believe some moderation from Paul (and/or others) is probably needed for a while. I want to enjoy the Mac group but I find I am reading less and less and deleting whole sections of mail purely because it is lacking Mac content, of no interest, and therefore post much less myself. > > Finally it would be nice if everyone who is helped says thank you to those that have. That small item of courtesy is also ignored by some people. > > David > > > > On 3 Dec 2009, at 09:56, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote: > >> Thanks Paul. I was just going to contact you about this. >> >> Maybe we need to return to the rationale for NMUG being set up - as I see it to help those experiencing problems with their Macs and software, and for those who wish to meet together to discuss Mac issues. >> >> Phyll and Ed >> >> On 3 Dec 2009, at 09:46, Paul Durrant wrote: >> >>> >>> Well said. I'd very much appreciate it if personal comments could be >>> kept to a minimum. If it seems to be on the rise again, I'll switch to >>> moderating the list again for a bit. >>> >>> Paul >>> NMUG listmanager >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Thu Dec 3 11:35:53 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:35:53 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Simon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6ECA5351-5CF1-4A4B-8E45-A6D0DD9AA908@f2s.com> I've subscribed to this group for several years, and have always found it welcoming, friendly and very helpful, and there's not a week goes by that I don't learn something new and useful. I have no idea who is professionally trained or qualified in what, and suspect that there are many who, like me, have gleaned a bit of knowledge here and there over a long period of using Apple hardware and software on a daily basis. I believe there is probably a higher proportion of photographers than any other speciality, (no surprise) but I've seen much good help and advice on web design, html, desktop publishing, video, audio and all the areas in which the Mac naturally excels (no Capital, no pun, although I have to say I don't remember many questions about spreadsheets ...) There are also those whose daily life is dominated by less common specialities (mine happens to be Filemaker Pro databases, remote servers and networks, all self taught), giving, all in all, a cornucopia of Mac knowledge. All of this has been, in my experience, freely shared by all, and many members will go out of their way to help solve another's problem or answer a query, and I've always been confident that if someone can help, they will. If I get no response, I assume it's because no-one knows the answer! There has, however, been the occasional member posting messages which are to me simply inane or irrelevant, or posing problems which are so personal or unique that it's no surprise it remains unanswered: there can't be too many of us who have a lot of experience of butchering computers with blacksmiths' tools or painting the keys every colour of the rainbow. Perhaps those with such esoteric ambitions would find more help in a 'pimp my Mac' group - there's bound to be one! Whilst there have been times I've been annoyed by a post asking something instantly answerable with a simple Google search, and considered it was nothing other than sheer laziness, I've resisted any response such as the acronym below, and have no recollection of ever seeing such a response from any group member. I would be, quite frankly, very surprised were it to happen. In my view, switchers particularly will benefit by sticking around - you won't learn a lot about Windows or Linux, but may come to appreciate why Apple and the Mac have such loyal (and focussed) self help communities. Robbie On 2 Dec 2009, at 21:14, Kerin Westgate wrote: I've only been a member of this group since March time, and have just been watching what goes on, with the odd question thrown in which does not always get an answer. I can understand what you are saying about groups, as a ex user of Linux and the bad experience of the groups ie the most common answer was R,T,F,B (read the F-ing book). I hope people take on board what you have just said. Good Luck Kerin _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From alan at asw6000.plus.com Thu Dec 3 11:52:54 2009 From: alan at asw6000.plus.com (Alan Williams) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 11:52:54 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Simon In-Reply-To: <6ECA5351-5CF1-4A4B-8E45-A6D0DD9AA908@f2s.com> References: <6ECA5351-5CF1-4A4B-8E45-A6D0DD9AA908@f2s.com> Message-ID: Robbie Should I complain to John Lewis , I never got an F-ing book with my new Mac ? Alan On 3 Dec 2009, at 11:35, Robbie Murray wrote: > I've subscribed to this group for several years, and have always found > it welcoming, friendly and very helpful, and there's not a week goes > by that I don't learn something new and useful. > > I have no idea who is professionally trained or qualified in what, and > suspect that there are many who, like me, have gleaned a bit of > knowledge here and there over a long period of using Apple hardware > and software on a daily basis. I believe there is probably a higher > proportion of photographers than any other speciality, (no surprise) > but I've seen much good help and advice on web design, html, desktop > publishing, video, audio and all the areas in which the Mac naturally > excels (no Capital, no pun, although I have to say I don't remember > many questions about spreadsheets ...) There are also those whose > daily life is dominated by less common specialities (mine happens to > be Filemaker Pro databases, remote servers and networks, all self > taught), giving, all in all, a cornucopia of Mac knowledge. All of > this has been, in my experience, freely shared by all, and many > members will go out of their way to help solve another's problem or > answer a query, and I've always been confident that if someone can > help, they will. If I get no response, I assume it's because no-one > knows the answer! > > There has, however, been the occasional member posting messages which > are to me simply inane or irrelevant, or posing problems which are so > personal or unique that it's no surprise it remains unanswered: there > can't be too many of us who have a lot of experience of butchering > computers with blacksmiths' tools or painting the keys every colour of > the rainbow. Perhaps those with such esoteric ambitions would find > more help in a 'pimp my Mac' group - there's bound to be one! > > Whilst there have been times I've been annoyed by a post asking > something instantly answerable with a simple Google search, and > considered it was nothing other than sheer laziness, I've resisted any > response such as the acronym below, and have no recollection of ever > seeing such a response from any group member. I would be, quite > frankly, very surprised were it to happen. > > In my view, switchers particularly will benefit by sticking around - > you won't learn a lot about Windows or Linux, but may come to > appreciate why Apple and the Mac have such loyal (and focussed) self > help communities. > > Robbie > > > > On 2 Dec 2009, at 21:14, Kerin Westgate wrote: > > I've only been a member of this group since March time, and have just > been watching what goes on, with the odd question thrown in which does > not always get an answer. I can understand what you are saying about > groups, as a ex user of Linux and the bad experience of the groups ie > the most common answer was R,T,F,B (read the F-ing book). I hope > people take on board what you have just said. > > Good Luck > > Kerin > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Alan Williams alan at asw6000.plus.com From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu Dec 3 12:44:40 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 12:44:40 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Macbook (2.0GHz Late 2006) for sale Message-ID: <381F0562-AF3B-416C-8CED-1C315C3D18D9@durrant.co.uk> I will shortly have a MacBook for sale for a friend. It's actually a MacBook that I owned from new, and sold to him a couple of months ago. Unfortunately he didn't get on with it (I suspect the high-res screen was the main problem), and he now has an iMac G3 again. It's a 13" White Late 2006 model. It has 3GB RAM, 80GB hard drive, internal SuperDrive (DVD-R/RW). It comes in the original box, with power adapter, remote control and original disks (Mac OS X 10.4 - Tiger). I'll also include a mini-DVI to VGA adapter, and/or a mini-DVI to DVI adapter. (I think have both, but I don't have them immediately to hand to check.) I'll also include family packs of iLife '06 and iWorks '06. The processor is 2.0GHz Core 2 Duo processor with the 4MB L2 cache and full 64-bit support. The video is Intel GMA 9500 video, with mini-DVI out. Firewire 400 port, 2xUSB 2.0 ports, separate audio in and out ports, built-in iSight and microphone, gigabit ethernet, 802.11n wireless, bluetooth. You can check the full spec here: http://support.apple.com/kb/SP23 The screen is good, with no marks or dead pixels. The battery isn't wonderful. It's gone through just 135 cycles, but is nearly three years old, and System Profiler now reports it has a capacity of 30Wh, while new ones should have a capacity of 55Wh. Cosmetically the machine is good for its age - the track pad is a little shiny and the button has a mark from the lid. The outside of the case has numerous small scratches. The case hasn't suffered from the cracks sometimes found in the palmrest area of this kind of MacBook. Some of you will have seen me with the machine at meetings over the couple of years. It has three months Applecare cover until 10 February 2010. I'd suggest that the purchaser should ideally upgrade to Snow Leopard, through the Mac Box Set, which costs ?129, and includes iLife '09 and iWork '09. If there are no takers, I'll eBay it, but I'd rather sell locally - I can deliver to anywhere in Norwich, or it can be picked up. Price: ?450 (no VAT) regards, Paul From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu Dec 3 14:35:36 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:35:36 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Moderation Message-ID: Dear All, I apologise for not doing it earlier*, but I've now enabled temporary moderation. I'll pass most messages straight through as soon as I see them. Once things have calmed down completely in a day or three I'll turn if off again. Paul NMUG listmaster * So any comments about horses and stable doors won't be passed to the list! From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Thu Dec 3 15:15:20 2009 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 15:15:20 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin email Message-ID: <4B5F2A67-59C1-4A69-A269-BC0B4923E728@virgin.net> Hello, Along with others , I have been receiving intermittent email on more than one computer. Virgin sent me complicated, and where I could understand then, illogical instructions. However I merely tried the solution from one of our members i.e put 'recent' before user name and lo and behold - more emails than I can handle! Thanks, Ken Anoldi From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Thu Dec 3 16:08:45 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 16:08:45 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Wacom In-Reply-To: <7D1D87B1-5E07-4CA7-95E9-D5FE043706FF@f2s.com> References: <4359E845-8588-44D3-AA4B-60EFF96AFD9E@ntlworld.com> <7D1D87B1-5E07-4CA7-95E9-D5FE043706FF@f2s.com> Message-ID: <081C93C4-D93C-42C5-9182-60D50A1021F2@virgin.net> Hi Robbie None left now! any other ideas for cheap Wacoms? Martin > I saw them at a very good price in Aldi in Plumstead Road (Norwich) a > few weeks ago - may still be an odd one left ... > > Robbie > > On 2 Dec 2009, at 09:59, David Maskell wrote: > > I have a Wacom Bamboo graphics tablet... they are very accurate and > easy to use... > They are good for freehand drawing, and touching up photoshop pics > etc... easy to erase mistakes as the pen > has two ends, an eraser end, and a pen end! > The software that came with it was Art rage 2 which was fun to use and > a bit of fun, using different types of paint/pencils etc... > > Wacom as far as I know are reliable, easy to use and are a good > brand... some others I tried either didn't work, or were too jittery > and not accurate. > > As far as bluetooth, I assume it will... but best to google it > first... > > David > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Thu Dec 3 16:18:41 2009 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 16:18:41 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] HD enclosure Message-ID: <729F1FDA-3015-4288-9A0B-1541E736739E@virgin.net> Hello , If anyone's interested I've just bought an enclosure that will hold SATA/IDE Hard Drives. It should be especially useful for recovering data from Mac/PCs where they they have otherwise ceased to work. Gizzoo ?19.95 Incl p&p Ken Arnoldi From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Thu Dec 3 17:47:34 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:47:34 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin email In-Reply-To: <4B5F2A67-59C1-4A69-A269-BC0B4923E728@virgin.net> References: <4B5F2A67-59C1-4A69-A269-BC0B4923E728@virgin.net> Message-ID: Hi Ken So Did I ...Well done that person!!! Martin However I merely tried the solution from one > of our members i.e put 'recent' before user name and lo and behold - > more emails than I can handle! > > Thanks, > > Ken Anoldi > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com From andrew at acetuk.com Fri Dec 4 10:20:22 2009 From: andrew at acetuk.com (Andrew Forde) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:20:22 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Freeview HD Message-ID: Hopefully just in time for when I buy my 27" iMac! Oh come on... I can dream a bit can't I?! :) Andrew From kelvinyoungs at mac.com Fri Dec 4 00:53:47 2009 From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:53:47 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] printer error Message-ID: I have 3 printers ? the main one I use for actual printing rather than scanning is an Epson Stylus CX 5400. Since installing the software updates via apple, not able to use it ? scanner and photo copy work just fine ? but I receive error/library/printers/ep when I try and print anything at all? I use a usb hub and thought that might be the problem, so connected it direct to my usb port in my 24"iMac. Same problem. I also downloaded the drivers from Epson - just in case, but nuffink - would like to buy a new printer really, but this has worked just fine in the past and anyway, have a few cartridges left so would rather solve the problem. Anyone any ideas please? Does anyone have a canon printer - (cartridge type BCI-6BK) as I have a couple of genuine Canon print cartridges that I dont need - no money wanted but as I live in Yarmouth you will have to give me the postage or collect. Kelvin http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com From kelvinyoungs at mac.com Fri Dec 4 01:03:54 2009 From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 01:03:54 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Putting LP on CD In-Reply-To: <2CA7F50B-8229-4CDD-A8F6-0B9961EE2A5E@themagic.me.uk> References: <8F1F036B-22F6-4990-9495-40677F187F26@mac.com> <2CA7F50B-8229-4CDD-A8F6-0B9961EE2A5E@themagic.me.uk> Message-ID: Hi Anthony we have no problem with you borrowing it from Hugh. Just contact him direct (turrethouse at talktalk.net) and if any other NMUG member would also like to try it out then just let us know and as long as you look after and return the equipment that will be just fine. (As long as you all sign our website guestbook and say just how great our website is though!) On 1 Dec 2009, at 10:32, Anthony Brahams wrote: > If still available I'd like to borrrow it, Barry, please, to try it > out prior to possibly buying one on behalf of my brother. Hugh do you > have it? > > Thanks > > Anthony Kelvin http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Fri Dec 4 09:18:14 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:18:14 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Epson Perfection 4870 Photo Message-ID: <7A7F22C7-0355-401D-86DD-8E5A421376EF@virgin.net> Hi all A friend of mine is selling his Epson Perfection 4870 Photo scanner for ?125.00. This is the replacement for the Epson Perfection 3200 Photo which some of you raved about a while ago. Anyone interested please let me know! Martin Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com From munkt0n at gmail.com Thu Dec 3 19:19:38 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:19:38 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Open Recent List In-Reply-To: <451161E2-5302-4289-94A9-2D1A12744E6E@paston.co.uk> References: <451161E2-5302-4289-94A9-2D1A12744E6E@paston.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Richard, I'm not sure if someone's already answered this but check the following System Prefs > Appearance > Number of Recent Items This was apparently reset to zero for some users during a recent software update. On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 10:45 PM, Richard Sparks wrote: > Hi > > I have had a minor problem since upgrading to Snow leopard. > > The "Open Recent" list in the File menu remains empty in all the iWork applications (Numbers, Pages & Keynote). > As I am using iWork 08 I was prepared to put up with this until I can afford to buy iWork 09, as everything else in these applications works as it should do. > > However?.. > > Last week I upgraded to 10.6.2 and since then the same problem has shown up in TextEdit. > > I have tried trashing the preference files and repairing permissions without success. > > Can anyone please help as to what might be causing this problem. > From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Thu Dec 3 18:25:13 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 18:25:13 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin email In-Reply-To: References: <4B5F2A67-59C1-4A69-A269-BC0B4923E728@virgin.net> Message-ID: I vas only obeying orders. After the initial serge (select all/erase got rid of them) I now have messages appearing on both computers. That's what I wanted. I think. Nathan On 3 Dec 2009, at 17:47, Martin Fry wrote: > Hi Ken > > So Did I ...Well done that person!!! > > Martin > > > > However I merely tried the solution from one >> of our members i.e put 'recent' before user name and lo and behold - >> more emails than I can handle! >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ken Anoldi >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > Martin Fry > www.martinfryphotography.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Thu Dec 3 19:04:41 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 19:04:41 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin email In-Reply-To: References: <4B5F2A67-59C1-4A69-A269-BC0B4923E728@virgin.net> Message-ID: <117F0D93-4BBC-47DC-9F50-1CC87032AB84@virgin.net> Sorry that should have been surge On 3 Dec 2009, at 18:25, nathan crosby wrote: > I vas only obeying orders. After the initial serge (select all/ > erase got rid of them) > I now have messages appearing on both computers. > That's what I wanted. I think. > > Nathan > > From paul at durrant.co.uk Fri Dec 4 10:44:30 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 10:44:30 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Looking for a MacBook - check the refurb store Message-ID: <362A024B-B3D0-416A-B447-443E5B6553A9@durrant.co.uk> In the refurb store at the moment Apple have some 2.13GHz White MacBooks for sale at ?579. They come with Snow Leopard and iLife '09. These look like an absolute bargain - making my second-hand MacBook look very expensive. I guess it's to ebay with it! So - want a MacBook? Go to the refurb store - hurry, they'll be gone soon, I'm sure. http://store.apple.com/uk/product/FC240B/A?mco=MTA4MzIxNjk regards, Paul From kelvinyoungs at mac.com Fri Dec 4 11:32:22 2009 From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:32:22 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Epson Perfection 4870 Photo In-Reply-To: <7A7F22C7-0355-401D-86DD-8E5A421376EF@virgin.net> References: <7A7F22C7-0355-401D-86DD-8E5A421376EF@virgin.net> Message-ID: Thanks Martin I managed to find a Perfection 3200 scanner the other day and if this replacement is half as good as that I recommend it. Kelvin On 4 Dec 2009, at 09:18, Martin Fry wrote: > A friend of mine is selling his Epson Perfection 4870 Photo scanner > for ?125.00. From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Fri Dec 4 11:08:41 2009 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 11:08:41 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin email In-Reply-To: References: <4B5F2A67-59C1-4A69-A269-BC0B4923E728@virgin.net> Message-ID: <5878C8D3-E70C-4180-849D-F23AE3B44434@virgin.net> Did you mean Virgin's orders, if so they different from mine (but very effective!). Ken Arnoldi On 3 Dec 2009, at 06:25 PM, nathan crosby wrote: > I vas only obeying orders. After the initial serge (select all/erase > got rid of them) > I now have messages appearing on both computers. > That's what I wanted. I think. > > Nathan > > > On 3 Dec 2009, at 17:47, Martin Fry wrote: > >> Hi Ken >> >> So Did I ...Well done that person!!! >> >> Martin >> >> >> >> However I merely tried the solution from one >>> of our members i.e put 'recent' before user name and lo and behold - >>> more emails than I can handle! >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Ken Anoldi >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> Martin Fry >> www.martinfryphotography.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Fri Dec 4 11:36:27 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 11:36:27 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin email In-Reply-To: <117F0D93-4BBC-47DC-9F50-1CC87032AB84@virgin.net> References: <4B5F2A67-59C1-4A69-A269-BC0B4923E728@virgin.net> <117F0D93-4BBC-47DC-9F50-1CC87032AB84@virgin.net> Message-ID: <4F6CE212-B864-4508-B02A-5BDEEC89D990@f2s.com> I thought maybe the cloth had been clogging it all up Nat! :-) Robbie On 3 Dec 2009, at 19:04, nathan crosby wrote: Sorry that should have been surge On 3 Dec 2009, at 18:25, nathan crosby wrote: > I vas only obeying orders. After the initial serge I now have > messages appearing on both computers. > > Nathan > > _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ricnev at mac.com Fri Dec 4 10:51:23 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 10:51:23 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Looking for a MacBook - check the refurb store In-Reply-To: <362A024B-B3D0-416A-B447-443E5B6553A9@durrant.co.uk> References: <362A024B-B3D0-416A-B447-443E5B6553A9@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <49F825E2-458F-495D-876B-59F83CE9FC36@mac.com> There's one less now than there was earlier - Someone's going to have a busy Xmas configuring stuff for their Grandsons {;-}> On 4 Dec 2009, at 10:44, Paul Durrant wrote: > So - want a MacBook? Go to the refurb store - hurry, they'll be gone > soon, I'm sure. Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From alanbarber at mac.com Fri Dec 4 13:18:33 2009 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:18:33 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] instruction dyslexia Message-ID: <9822A8E4-747D-4DFB-AFDB-76DD3C7B55A5@mac.com> Why is it when reading instructions and putting them into place things seem to go wrong. I have decided to set up an airport extreme with my old airport express but when following instructions I can only switch and not join the network. The express is one floor down and although the G3 ibook seems ok, the PB G4 keeps losing the signal or works very slowly. So add an extreme on this floor and all should be well. Any handy hints please. I thought Macs just plugged in and worked. Regards Alan From macman at f2s.com Fri Dec 4 12:00:13 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:00:13 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] printer error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <38C87D6F-6967-484C-8CD6-8D45A2428CBF@f2s.com> Gimp drivers may provide an answer ... http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/MacOSX.php Robbie On 4 Dec 2009, at 00:53, Kelvin Youngs wrote: I have 3 printers ? the main one I use for actual printing rather than scanning is an Epson Stylus CX 5400. Since installing the software updates via apple, not able to use it ? scanner and photo copy work just fine ? but I receive error/library/ printers/ep when I try and print anything at all? I use a usb hub and thought that might be the problem, so connected it direct to my usb port in my 24"iMac. Same problem. I also downloaded the drivers from Epson - just in case, but nuffink - would like to buy a new printer really, but this has worked just fine in the past and anyway, have a few cartridges left so would rather solve the problem. Anyone any ideas please? Does anyone have a canon printer - (cartridge type BCI-6BK) as I have a couple of genuine Canon print cartridges that I dont need - no money wanted but as I live in Yarmouth you will have to give me the postage or collect. Kelvin http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Fri Dec 4 12:02:06 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:02:06 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin email In-Reply-To: <4F6CE212-B864-4508-B02A-5BDEEC89D990@f2s.com> References: <4B5F2A67-59C1-4A69-A269-BC0B4923E728@virgin.net> <117F0D93-4BBC-47DC-9F50-1CC87032AB84@virgin.net> <4F6CE212-B864-4508-B02A-5BDEEC89D990@f2s.com> Message-ID: <3832DC21-FFB5-45F9-84EF-885F0E2A4CB1@virgin.net> Robbie, how materialistic of you! Nathan On 4 Dec 2009, at 11:36, Robbie Murray wrote: > I thought maybe the cloth had been clogging it all up Nat! > > :-) > > Robbie > > On 3 Dec 2009, at 19:04, nathan crosby wrote: > > Sorry that should have been surge > On 3 Dec 2009, at 18:25, nathan crosby wrote: > >> I vas only obeying orders. After the initial serge I now have >> messages appearing on both computers. >> >> Nathan >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Fri Dec 4 12:03:38 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:03:38 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin email In-Reply-To: <5878C8D3-E70C-4180-849D-F23AE3B44434@virgin.net> References: <4B5F2A67-59C1-4A69-A269-BC0B4923E728@virgin.net> <5878C8D3-E70C-4180-849D-F23AE3B44434@virgin.net> Message-ID: <388DCD63-1D16-4E73-AA90-9946422A0751@virgin.net> Yes Nathan On 4 Dec 2009, at 11:08, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > Did you mean Virgin's orders, if so they different from mine (but very > effective!). > > Ken Arnoldi > > > > On 3 Dec 2009, at 06:25 PM, nathan crosby > wrote: > >> I vas only obeying orders. After the initial serge (select all/erase >> got rid of them) >> I now have messages appearing on both computers. >> That's what I wanted. I think. >> >> Nathan >> >> >> On 3 Dec 2009, at 17:47, Martin Fry wrote: >> >>> Hi Ken >>> >>> So Did I ...Well done that person!!! >>> >>> Martin >>> >>> >>> >>> However I merely tried the solution from one >>>> of our members i.e put 'recent' before user name and lo and >>>> behold - >>>> more emails than I can handle! >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Ken Anoldi >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >>> Martin Fry >>> www.martinfryphotography.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk Fri Dec 4 15:30:43 2009 From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 15:30:43 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] printer error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <569B15E2-6E57-40C5-A922-7D975C16CB78@themagic.me.uk> A problem with my printer, although a different make (hp), was solved by Repairing Permissions and downloading new driver?twice! The problem was that it would not Scan (just that) although would "copy" which meant it did scan and then print. Anthony On 4 Dec 2009, at 00:53, Kelvin Youngs wrote: > I have 3 printers ? the main one I use for actual printing rather > than scanning is an Epson Stylus CX 5400. > Since installing the software updates via apple, not able to use it > ? scanner and photo copy work just fine ? but I receive error/ > library/printers/ep when I try and print anything at all? > > I use a usb hub and thought that might be the problem, so connected > it direct to my usb port in my 24"iMac. Same problem. > > I also downloaded the drivers from Epson - just in case, but nuffink > - would like to buy a new printer really, but this has worked just > fine in the past and anyway, have a few cartridges left so would > rather solve the problem. > > Anyone any ideas please? > > Does anyone have a canon printer - (cartridge type BCI-6BK) as I > have a couple of genuine Canon print cartridges that I dont need - > no money wanted but as I live in Yarmouth you will have to give me > the postage or collect. > > Kelvin > http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk Fri Dec 4 15:33:47 2009 From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 15:33:47 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Putting LP on CD In-Reply-To: References: <8F1F036B-22F6-4990-9495-40677F187F26@mac.com> <2CA7F50B-8229-4CDD-A8F6-0B9961EE2A5E@themagic.me.uk> Message-ID: Hello Kelvin/Barry Thanks for offer. I'll contact Hugh. Is your new machine simpler and quicker to use? Thanks Anthony On 4 Dec 2009, at 01:03, Kelvin Youngs wrote: > Hi Anthony we have no problem with you borrowing it from Hugh. > > Just contact him direct (turrethouse at talktalk.net) and if any other > NMUG member would also like to try it out then just let us know and > as long as you look after and return the equipment that will be just > fine. > (As long as you all sign our website guestbook and say just how > great our website is though!) > On 1 Dec 2009, at 10:32, Anthony Brahams wrote: > >> If still available I'd like to borrrow it, Barry, please, to try it >> out prior to possibly buying one on behalf of my brother. Hugh do you >> have it? >> >> Thanks >> >> Anthony > Kelvin > http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From kelvinyoungs at mac.com Fri Dec 4 14:36:27 2009 From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 14:36:27 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] printer error In-Reply-To: <38C87D6F-6967-484C-8CD6-8D45A2428CBF@f2s.com> References: <38C87D6F-6967-484C-8CD6-8D45A2428CBF@f2s.com> Message-ID: Many thanks for that Robbie will give that a go. > Gimp drivers may provide an answer ... > > http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/MacOSX.php > From macman at f2s.com Fri Dec 4 13:51:12 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:51:12 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin email In-Reply-To: <3832DC21-FFB5-45F9-84EF-885F0E2A4CB1@virgin.net> References: <4B5F2A67-59C1-4A69-A269-BC0B4923E728@virgin.net> <117F0D93-4BBC-47DC-9F50-1CC87032AB84@virgin.net> <4F6CE212-B864-4508-B02A-5BDEEC89D990@f2s.com> <3832DC21-FFB5-45F9-84EF-885F0E2A4CB1@virgin.net> Message-ID: <57A7426B-8FF9-4F7E-9619-086F62E2F666@f2s.com> You cotton on fast! Robbie On 4 Dec 2009, at 12:02, nathan crosby wrote: Robbie, how materialistic of you! Nathan On 4 Dec 2009, at 11:36, Robbie Murray wrote: > I thought maybe the cloth had been clogging it all up Nat! > > :-) > > Robbie > > On 3 Dec 2009, at 19:04, nathan crosby wrote: > > Sorry that should have been surge > On 3 Dec 2009, at 18:25, nathan crosby wrote: > >> I vas only obeying orders. After the initial serge I now have >> messages appearing on both computers. >> >> Nathan >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com Fri Dec 4 13:51:53 2009 From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 13:51:53 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Keyboard Message-ID: HI I am trying out a new aluminium keyboard. F10 and F11 and F12 are volume buttons but I can't get them to work. What else do I press to access them? I tried all kinds of combinations but it only gives me the functions. Any suggestions please? Ruth From paul at durrant.co.uk Fri Dec 4 16:42:27 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 16:42:27 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Keyboard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4367F75C-9B3A-4E80-AAAD-DADAF0C98691@durrant.co.uk> The fn key in the bottom left of the keyboard should switch the function keys between function keys and volume controls. In System Preferences/Keyboard & Mouse/Keybard, there's a checkbox "Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys". If this is checked, just pressing the key won't do the volume - you'll need to use the fn key as well. And vice-versa There's probably also a preference setting in QuarkXPress that might be overriding the system preferences - so try when QXP isn't running and/or look in the QXP preferences, regards, Paul On 4 Dec 2009, at 13:51, Ruth Murray wrote: > I am trying out a new aluminium keyboard. F10 and F11 and F12 are > volume buttons but I can't get them to work. What else do I press to > access them? I tried all kinds of combinations but it only gives me > the functions. > > Any suggestions please? From paul at durrant.co.uk Fri Dec 4 16:44:32 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 16:44:32 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Looking for a MacBook - check the refurb store In-Reply-To: <49F825E2-458F-495D-876B-59F83CE9FC36@mac.com> References: <362A024B-B3D0-416A-B447-443E5B6553A9@durrant.co.uk> <49F825E2-458F-495D-876B-59F83CE9FC36@mac.com> Message-ID: And now there all gone again, until/if some more appear. So - anyone who missed them want a nice 2.0GHz MacBook for ?400? (see previous message for specs.) I guess it'll have put on eBay at the weekend. regards, Paul On 4 Dec 2009, at 10:51, Richard Nevill wrote: > There's one less now than there was earlier - Someone's going to > have a busy Xmas configuring stuff for their Grandsons {;-}> > > On 4 Dec 2009, at 10:44, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> So - want a MacBook? Go to the refurb store - hurry, they'll be gone >> soon, I'm sure. > From allanmacam at me.com Fri Dec 4 16:40:54 2009 From: allanmacam at me.com (Allan) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:40:54 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Keyboard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <80A5ECD9-8F8A-48B3-8034-86072983FD9B@me.com> On 4 Dec 2009, at 13:51, Ruth Murray wrote: > HI > > I am trying out a new aluminium keyboard. F10 and F11 and F12 are > volume buttons but I can't get them to work. What else do I press to > access them? I tried all kinds of combinations but it only gives me > the functions. > > Any suggestions please? > Try pressing the fn key when you press the F keys,. What happens? From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Fri Dec 4 16:42:18 2009 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 16:42:18 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Virgin email In-Reply-To: <57A7426B-8FF9-4F7E-9619-086F62E2F666@f2s.com> References: <4B5F2A67-59C1-4A69-A269-BC0B4923E728@virgin.net> <117F0D93-4BBC-47DC-9F50-1CC87032AB84@virgin.net> <4F6CE212-B864-4508-B02A-5BDEEC89D990@f2s.com> <3832DC21-FFB5-45F9-84EF-885F0E2A4CB1@virgin.net> <57A7426B-8FF9-4F7E-9619-086F62E2F666@f2s.com> Message-ID: <720002BB-9539-4324-B858-810F121785B5@virgin.net> but didn't try to pull the wool over any eyes (well it's better than the recent bitching!). Ken Arnoldi On 4 Dec 2009, at 01:51 PM, Robbie Murray wrote: > You cotton on fast! > > > Robbie > > On 4 Dec 2009, at 12:02, nathan crosby wrote: > > Robbie, how materialistic of you! > > > Nathan > > > On 4 Dec 2009, at 11:36, Robbie Murray wrote: > >> I thought maybe the cloth had been clogging it all up Nat! >> >> :-) >> >> Robbie >> >> On 3 Dec 2009, at 19:04, nathan crosby wrote: >> >> Sorry that should have been surge >> On 3 Dec 2009, at 18:25, nathan crosby wrote: >> >>> I vas only obeying orders. After the initial serge I now have >>> messages appearing on both computers. >>> >>> Nathan >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Fri Dec 4 17:20:02 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:20:02 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Keyboard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5C5FDF7C-62B0-4D8B-8FA7-36CB96B9CF18@f2s.com> Hi Ruth On my (wired full size) one, there is a checkbox in keyboard preferences which appears to make 'em 'do what is says on the tin', although having said that, mine is unchecked, yet all 3 keys have worked fine since day one. Remember there is always the "Fn" modifier key which will also affect the result if held own at the same time, so there are several possible combinations. Only thing I don't know is if it's that little Fisher Price keyboard without the numberpad which you were coveting, heaven knows where the Fn key is located! Hope this helps Robbie On 4 Dec 2009, at 13:51, Ruth Murray wrote: HI I am trying out a new aluminium keyboard. F10 and F11 and F12 are volume buttons but I can't get them to work. What else do I press to access them? I tried all kinds of combinations but it only gives me the functions. Any suggestions please? Ruth _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com Fri Dec 4 17:59:35 2009 From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 17:59:35 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Aluminium keyboard Message-ID: <4667BDFB-1C69-4865-88DD-982BC6602511@gmail.com> If you press the fn key ( bottom left) at the same time as your volume keys, that should provide the function you want Keep in touch. Richard From david at vanedwards.co.uk Fri Dec 4 18:40:53 2009 From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 18:40:53 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Aluminium keyboard In-Reply-To: <4667BDFB-1C69-4865-88DD-982BC6602511@gmail.com> References: <4667BDFB-1C69-4865-88DD-982BC6602511@gmail.com> Message-ID: Everyone's been saying "bottom left" but on my newish keyboard that key is marked "ctrl" Is that the one? I can't see anything marked "fn" Best wishes, David >If you press the fn key ( bottom >left) at the same time as your volume keys, that should provide the >function you want >Keep in touch. >Richard > > >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com Fri Dec 4 18:24:30 2009 From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 18:24:30 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Aluminium keyboard In-Reply-To: <4667BDFB-1C69-4865-88DD-982BC6602511@gmail.com> References: <4667BDFB-1C69-4865-88DD-982BC6602511@gmail.com> Message-ID: <14E8CE31-7C72-4ED8-8CA4-47C786BDD060@ruthmurray.f2s.com> Unfortunately the function key doesn't make any difference. The keyboard I am using is borrowed but I have just bought one and will install that one. Then I will fiddle about with the preferences. By the way, this brand new (smaller) keyboard only cost ?20. He has about another 12 for sale so if anyone wants the details let me know? Ruth On 4 Dec 2009, at 17:59, Richard Stewart wrote: > > If you press the fn key ( bottom > left) at the same time as your volume keys, that should provide the > function you want > Keep in touch. > Richard > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug > Ruth Murray ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com Ruth Murray Graphic Design and Illustration 01603 632334 Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com Fri Dec 4 18:38:44 2009 From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 18:38:44 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Aluminium keyboard In-Reply-To: <4667BDFB-1C69-4865-88DD-982BC6602511@gmail.com> References: <4667BDFB-1C69-4865-88DD-982BC6602511@gmail.com> Message-ID: Nothing seems to work. I suspect it might be because I am in Tiger. Maybe. Checking the preferences makes no difference. It should be the same as my macbook (which is Leopard) but it isn't. Ho hum. til its sorted I will have to turn it off at the speakers whenever I get call. Ruth On 4 Dec 2009, at 17:59, Richard Stewart wrote: > > If you press the fn key ( bottom > left) at the same time as your volume keys, that should provide the > function you want > Keep in touch. > Richard > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug > Ruth Murray ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com Ruth Murray Graphic Design and Illustration 01603 632334 Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net From sparky at paston.co.uk Fri Dec 4 18:18:58 2009 From: sparky at paston.co.uk (Richard Sparks) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 18:18:58 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Open Recent List In-Reply-To: References: <451161E2-5302-4289-94A9-2D1A12744E6E@paston.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Scott, Thanks for that, no one answered at the time but I sorted it out after a bit of fiddling around. everything is working OK now. Best Wishes Richard http://www.users.paston.co.uk/sparky/home.html Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail On 3 Dec 2009, at 19:19, Scott Matthews wrote: > Hi Richard, > > I'm not sure if someone's already answered this but check the following > > System Prefs > Appearance > Number of Recent Items > > This was apparently reset to zero for some users during a recent > software update. > > On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 10:45 PM, Richard Sparks wrote: >> Hi >> >> I have had a minor problem since upgrading to Snow leopard. >> >> The "Open Recent" list in the File menu remains empty in all the iWork applications (Numbers, Pages & Keynote). >> As I am using iWork 08 I was prepared to put up with this until I can afford to buy iWork 09, as everything else in these applications works as it should do. >> >> However?.. >> >> Last week I upgraded to 10.6.2 and since then the same problem has shown up in TextEdit. >> >> I have tried trashing the preference files and repairing permissions without success. >> >> Can anyone please help as to what might be causing this problem. >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From brian at clearlight.uk.net Fri Dec 4 20:21:17 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 20:21:17 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Keyboard In-Reply-To: <4367F75C-9B3A-4E80-AAAD-DADAF0C98691@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Note that Fn return acts as Enter regards Brian Paul Durrant said recently: > The fn key in the bottom left of the keyboard should switch the > function keys between function keys and volume controls. > > In System Preferences/Keyboard & Mouse/Keybard, there's a checkbox > "Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys". If this is > checked, just pressing the key won't do the volume - you'll need to > use the fn key as well. And vice-versa > > There's probably also a preference setting in QuarkXPress that might > be overriding the system preferences - so try when QXP isn't running > and/or look in the QXP preferences, > > regards, > > Paul > > On 4 Dec 2009, at 13:51, Ruth Murray wrote: > >> I am trying out a new aluminium keyboard. F10 and F11 and F12 are >> volume buttons but I can't get them to work. What else do I press to >> access them? I tried all kinds of combinations but it only gives me >> the functions. >> >> Any suggestions please? > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Fri Dec 4 21:24:42 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 21:24:42 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Keyboard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0FB68D74-6BF7-4740-9F75-DB0CD1144448@durrant.co.uk> On 4 Dec 2009, at 20:21, Brian Steere wrote: > Note that Fn return acts as Enter Oh - thank you! I've missed having an enter key! regards, Paul From paul at durrant.co.uk Fri Dec 4 21:26:41 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 21:26:41 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Aluminium keyboard In-Reply-To: References: <4667BDFB-1C69-4865-88DD-982BC6602511@gmail.com> Message-ID: The small aluminium keyboards and recent MacBook/MacBook Pro keyboards all have the fn key at the bottom left. E.g. Here's a picture link for the (US) wireless keyboard: http://images.apple.com/keyboard/images/hero_2_20091020.jpg regards, Paul On 4 Dec 2009, at 18:40, David Van Edwards wrote: > Everyone's been saying "bottom left" but on my newish keyboard that > key is marked "ctrl" Is that the one? I can't see anything marked "fn" From sc at davidviner.com Fri Dec 4 21:36:08 2009 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 21:36:08 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Aluminium keyboard In-Reply-To: References: <4667BDFB-1C69-4865-88DD-982BC6602511@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B1980C8.9080906@davidviner.com> On the latest wired keyboards (UK style) with a numeric keypad, the Fn key is below F13, just above the delete key. I'm running 10.6.2 and the Fn key works fine controlling the volume (I've switched the F-keys to "standard" mode). David Paul Durrant wrote: > The small aluminium keyboards and recent MacBook/MacBook Pro keyboards > all have the fn key at the bottom left. E.g. Here's a picture link for > the (US) wireless keyboard: > > http://images.apple.com/keyboard/images/hero_2_20091020.jpg > > regards, > > Paul > > On 4 Dec 2009, at 18:40, David Van Edwards wrote: > > >> Everyone's been saying "bottom left" but on my newish keyboard that >> key is marked "ctrl" Is that the one? I can't see anything marked "fn" >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From brian at clearlight.uk.net Fri Dec 4 22:14:13 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:14:13 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Keyboard In-Reply-To: <0FB68D74-6BF7-4740-9F75-DB0CD1144448@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: You're welcome! It was an inspired guess when I also needed to key 'enter'. A lot of computing is a sense that functionality must be present and then guessing where it may be found. regards Brian Paul Durrant said recently: > > On 4 Dec 2009, at 20:21, Brian Steere wrote: > >> Note that Fn return acts as Enter > > > Oh - thank you! I've missed having an enter key! > > regards, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From david.tillyer at googlemail.com Fri Dec 4 22:17:38 2009 From: david.tillyer at googlemail.com (David Tillyer) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:17:38 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Data Recovery Message-ID: Hi Guys and Gals, I have a 1tb Hard Drive that has failed. I need to get some very important data off that I have not backed-up (silly me). It appears to spin ok and there appears to be no physical damage so software could work. I want to do it myself so has anyone got any recommendations on suitable software and preferably one that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. Thanks, David -- :: :: :: :: http://www.twitter.com/davetillyer From ferrers_young at hotmail.com Sat Dec 5 03:09:36 2009 From: ferrers_young at hotmail.com (Ferrers Young) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 03:09:36 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Aluminium keyboard In-Reply-To: References: <4667BDFB-1C69-4865-88DD-982BC6602511@gmail.com>, Message-ID: I think that's it Ruth - if it is wired, http://store.apple.com/uk/product/MB869B/A? lists: Minimum System Requirements Mac computer with available USB 1.1 or USB 2.0 portMac OS X v10.5.6 or later If it's wireless, http://store.apple.com/uk/product/MC184B/A lists: Minimum System Requirements Bluetooth-enabled Mac computerMac OS X v10.5.8 or laterAluminium Keyboard Software Update 2.0 But now I love my Logitech S530 - 118 key, wireless keyboard and it's fine with Tiger.....? That's the reason I didn't get an Apple wireless for my G5... but think it was a blessing (it's even got volume controls & a mute button on the on the laser wireless mouse that comes with it!) Ferrers ---------------------------------------- > From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com > Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 18:38:44 +0000 > To: nmug at nmug.org.uk > Subject: Re: [NMUG] Aluminium keyboard > > Nothing seems to work. I suspect it might be because I am in Tiger. > Maybe. Checking the preferences makes no difference. > > It should be the same as my macbook (which is Leopard) but it isn't. > > Ho hum. til its sorted I will have to turn it off at the speakers > whenever I get call. > > Ruth > > > On 4 Dec 2009, at 17:59, Richard Stewart wrote: > >> >> If you press the fn key ( bottom >> left) at the same time as your volume keys, that should provide the >> function you want >> Keep in touch. >> Richard >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ >> listinfo/nmug >> > > Ruth Murray > ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com > > Ruth Murray > Graphic Design and Illustration > 01603 632334 > > Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _________________________________________________________________ View your other email accounts from your Hotmail inbox. Add them now. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394592/direct/01/ From mercer at gotadsl.co.uk Fri Dec 4 22:45:20 2009 From: mercer at gotadsl.co.uk (Valerie Mercer) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:45:20 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Aluminium keyboard In-Reply-To: References: <4667BDFB-1C69-4865-88DD-982BC6602511@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5E954109-F1CF-4E4D-B8ED-C69754C66FC7@gotadsl.co.uk> On 4 Dec 2009, at 18:38, Ruth Murray wrote: Ho hum. til its sorted I will have to turn it off at the speakers whenever I get call. Ruth Can't the sound be controlled from the menu bar? - if "Show volume in menu bar" is ticked in sound preference panel. Seems almost as fast as the function keys. Valerie On 4 Dec 2009, at 17:59, Richard Stewart wrote: > > If you press the fn key ( bottom > left) at the same time as your volume keys, that should provide the > function you want > Keep in touch. > Richard > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug > Ruth Murray ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com Ruth Murray Graphic Design and Illustration 01603 632334 Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From munkt0n at gmail.com Sat Dec 5 09:34:39 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:34:39 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Keyboard In-Reply-To: References: <0FB68D74-6BF7-4740-9F75-DB0CD1144448@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: excuse the possibly daft question - but what is the difference between return and enter? I just tried fn+return and it seems to do exactly the same as return on its own. On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Brian Steere wrote: > You're welcome! > It was an inspired guess when I also needed to key 'enter'. > A lot of computing is a sense that functionality must be present and then > guessing where it may be found. > regards > Brian > > Paul Durrant said recently: > >> >> On 4 Dec 2009, at 20:21, Brian Steere wrote: >> >>> Note that Fn return acts as Enter >> >> >> Oh - thank you! I've missed having an enter key! >> >> regards, >> >> Paul >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- :wq From paul at durrant.co.uk Sat Dec 5 09:46:35 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:46:35 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Data Recovery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If the data is important, the first thing to do is to get a copy of it. I believe you can do this with Apple's Disk Copy even if it won't mount, by making an image of the entire disk, rather than the volume. Carbon Copy Cloner and SuperDuper will not do a copy if the disk won't mount. If DiskCopy won't do the copy, you can defintely do it on the command line, see http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20050302225659382 OK, once you have a copy, the first thing to try is DiskWarrior. If it's just that the disk structure has got messed up, rather than a hardware problem with the disk or electronics, DiskWarrior should sort it out. http://www.alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/index.html regards, Paul On 4 Dec 2009, at 22:17, David Tillyer wrote: > Hi Guys and Gals, > > I have a 1tb Hard Drive that has failed. I need to get some very > important > data off that I have not backed-up (silly me). It appears to spin ok > and > there appears to be no physical damage so software could work. I > want to do > it myself so has anyone got any recommendations on suitable software > and > preferably one that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. > > Thanks, > > David > > -- > :: :: :: :: > > http://www.twitter.com/davetillyer > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From paul at durrant.co.uk Sat Dec 5 09:48:38 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:48:38 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Keyboard In-Reply-To: References: <0FB68D74-6BF7-4740-9F75-DB0CD1144448@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: In some word processors and publishing programs, enter produces a different line ending to return. For most purposes it's exactly the same, which is probably why Apple dropped it from the small keyboards in favour of an extra commmand key. regards, Paul On 5 Dec 2009, at 09:34, Scott Matthews wrote: > excuse the possibly daft question - but what is the difference between > return and enter? I just tried fn+return and it seems to do exactly > the same as return on its own. > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Brian Steere > wrote: >> You're welcome! >> It was an inspired guess when I also needed to key 'enter'. >> A lot of computing is a sense that functionality must be present >> and then >> guessing where it may be found. >> regards >> Brian >> >> Paul Durrant said recently: >> >>> >>> On 4 Dec 2009, at 20:21, Brian Steere wrote: >>> >>>> Note that Fn return acts as Enter >>> >>> >>> Oh - thank you! I've missed having an enter key! >>> >>> regards, >>> >>> Paul >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > > > -- > :wq > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From david.maskell at ntlworld.com Sat Dec 5 10:17:02 2009 From: david.maskell at ntlworld.com (David Maskell) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:17:02 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Aluminium keyboard In-Reply-To: References: <4667BDFB-1C69-4865-88DD-982BC6602511@gmail.com>, Message-ID: <99DE58CE-F509-4D85-B4B0-73AD3E28D717@ntlworld.com> Yeah, I got one of those new keyboards (wired) and it says leopard or later! The keys work without pressing any function keys first.... So yeah, I think the Aluminum is leopard upwards... Davids On 5 Dec 2009, at 03:09, Ferrers Young wrote: > > I think that's it Ruth - if it is wired, http://store.apple.com/uk/product/MB869B/A > lists: > Minimum System Requirements > Mac computer with available USB 1.1 or USB 2.0 portMac OS X v10.5.6 > or later > > > If it's wireless, http://store.apple.com/uk/product/MC184B/A lists: > Minimum System Requirements > > Bluetooth-enabled Mac computerMac OS X v10.5.8 or laterAluminium > Keyboard Software Update 2.0 > But now I love my Logitech S530 - 118 key, wireless keyboard and > it's fine with Tiger..... That's the reason I didn't get an Apple > wireless for my G5... but think it was a blessing (it's even got > volume controls & a mute button on the on the laser wireless mouse > that comes with it!) > > Ferrers > ---------------------------------------- >> From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com >> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 18:38:44 +0000 >> To: nmug at nmug.org.uk >> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Aluminium keyboard >> >> Nothing seems to work. I suspect it might be because I am in Tiger. >> Maybe. Checking the preferences makes no difference. >> >> It should be the same as my macbook (which is Leopard) but it isn't. >> >> Ho hum. til its sorted I will have to turn it off at the speakers >> whenever I get call. >> >> Ruth >> >> >> On 4 Dec 2009, at 17:59, Richard Stewart wrote: >> >>> >>> If you press the fn key ( bottom >>> left) at the same time as your volume keys, that should provide the >>> function you want >>> Keep in touch. >>> Richard >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ >>> listinfo/nmug >>> >> >> Ruth Murray >> ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com >> >> Ruth Murray >> Graphic Design and Illustration >> 01603 632334 >> >> Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _________________________________________________________________ > View your other email accounts from your Hotmail inbox. Add them now. > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394592/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From david.maskell at ntlworld.com Sat Dec 5 10:18:57 2009 From: david.maskell at ntlworld.com (David Maskell) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:18:57 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Data Recovery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Did you know, sometimes putting a hard drive in a freezer brings it temporarily back to life! It's true, have a google! if all else fails, and the disk is doomed, I would only try this as a last resort! David On 4 Dec 2009, at 22:17, David Tillyer wrote: > Hi Guys and Gals, > > I have a 1tb Hard Drive that has failed. I need to get some very > important > data off that I have not backed-up (silly me). It appears to spin ok > and > there appears to be no physical damage so software could work. I > want to do > it myself so has anyone got any recommendations on suitable software > and > preferably one that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. > > Thanks, > > David > > -- > :: :: :: :: > > http://www.twitter.com/davetillyer > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Sat Dec 5 11:50:37 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 11:50:37 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Keyboard In-Reply-To: References: <0FB68D74-6BF7-4740-9F75-DB0CD1144448@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: In certain programmes, Enter will confirm a command or call a script step without making any change to the file, whereas Return will live up to its origins and in addition insert a carriage return to take the cursor down on to a new line, thereby altering the contents of the field/record/file. This can cause serious problems in databases, as when performing searches for, say, duplicate text strings, no match is found, although several may have existed. Also, in some instances, carriage returns can be read by spreadsheets as invisible operators and cause havoc with a file. For most applications, they're interchangeable, but not for all. Fortunately, such weaknesses save us from computers taking over completely until they have developed a level of fuzzy logic equal to ours, which recognises NMUG followed by a carriage return and NMUG followed by an enter command as exactly the same thing! NMUG Robbie On 5 Dec 2009, at 09:34, Scott Matthews wrote: excuse the possibly daft question - but what is the difference between return and enter? I just tried fn+return and it seems to do exactly the same as return on its own. From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com Sat Dec 5 13:07:50 2009 From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 13:07:50 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Keyboard - mystery solved Message-ID: <9FEC1E11-E6EE-4A07-8934-D90B2F2E72CD@ruthmurray.f2s.com> Yep, as some have you have already said - you have to be in Leopard and get the firmware update from the Apple website. Another reason to (begrudgingly) switch to Leopard. I have Leopard on my laptop and Tiger on my desktop. And... I STILL prefer Tiger, it would be different if I had iSight but I don't. At least the mystery is solved! Thanks for your helpful comments. Ruth From ricnev at mac.com Sat Dec 5 14:43:15 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 14:43:15 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Next NMUG Basics Course - Intro to Graphics on Macs? In-Reply-To: References: <895379.9292.qm@web26106.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <5632DD93-0F98-4102-95BD-1992A63231F6@mac.com> Message-ID: <87AEF359-2DFB-4D91-A307-6EB81E68AF97@mac.com> OK - I've added you to the list - See you next Saturday morning. Regards, Richard. On 3 Dec 2009, at 09:04, Richard Ivers wrote: > Hi Richard, count me in, granddaughters permitting. > Richard > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From ricnev at mac.com Sat Dec 5 14:43:56 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 14:43:56 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Graphics training In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6FE8809E-EC76-4D8D-A124-43050052EDA6@mac.com> OK - I've added you to the list - See you next Saturday morning. Regards, Richard. On 2 Dec 2009, at 22:47, Liz wrote: > Richard, put me down for this one. I?ve got two performances of the village > panto but if I run fast I can just about make the matinee! > > Liz Barnard > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From ricnev at mac.com Sat Dec 5 14:44:50 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 14:44:50 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Next NMUG Basics Course - Intro to Graphics on Macs? In-Reply-To: <80D26B41-E50A-4840-B24B-34E23F6A8BDB@mac.com> References: <80D26B41-E50A-4840-B24B-34E23F6A8BDB@mac.com> Message-ID: OK - I've added you to the list - See you next Saturday morning. Regards, Richard. On 2 Dec 2009, at 21:04, Min Kennison wrote: > Hi Richard. > > Count me in > > Min > On 2 Dec 2009, at 16:132 Dec 2009, Richard Nevill wrote: > >> I'm just starting to prepare for our next workshop which will be on Saturday 12th December, 10.00 'till 12 noon as usual at St. Matthews Church. >> >> This time, I was thinking of running through a few basic computer graphics principles, ready for a series of courses on Photoshop Elements and on to PS CS4. >> Much of what we'd look at would relate to how to capture images, what formats are available, which formats are for what purpose and how to resize/resample images for various end uses such a web pages and email. >> I'd be looking at a number of Mac graphics tools, including GraphicConverter. >> >> Would this outline be of interest? Are there any volunteers who could help me with their expert graphics knowledge on the day (by expert, I mean even a smattering of knowledge about the subject - I have never done any professional graphics work). >> >> >> >> Richard Nevill >> ricnev at mac.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Sat Dec 5 16:46:29 2009 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 16:46:29 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Next NMUG Basics Course - Intro to Graphics on Macs? In-Reply-To: References: <80D26B41-E50A-4840-B24B-34E23F6A8BDB@mac.com> Message-ID: <6D6CFA5B-540B-40AC-BA1D-3E9027E79DE2@virgin.net> Me too, please. Celia On 5 Dec 2009, at 02:44 PM, Richard Nevill wrote: > OK - I've added you to the list - See you next Saturday morning. > > Regards, > > Richard. > > On 2 Dec 2009, at 21:04, Min Kennison wrote: > >> Hi Richard. >> >> Count me in >> >> Min >> On 2 Dec 2009, at 16:132 Dec 2009, Richard Nevill wrote: >> >>> I'm just starting to prepare for our next workshop which will be >>> on Saturday 12th December, 10.00 'till 12 noon as usual at St. >>> Matthews Church. >>> >>> This time, I was thinking of running through a few basic computer >>> graphics principles, ready for a series of courses on Photoshop >>> Elements and on to PS CS4. >>> Much of what we'd look at would relate to how to capture images, >>> what formats are available, which formats are for what purpose and >>> how to resize/resample images for various end uses such a web >>> pages and email. >>> I'd be looking at a number of Mac graphics tools, including >>> GraphicConverter. >>> >>> Would this outline be of interest? Are there any volunteers who >>> could help me with their expert graphics knowledge on the day (by >>> expert, I mean even a smattering of knowledge about the subject - >>> I have never done any professional graphics work). >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard Nevill >>> ricnev at mac.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > Richard Nevill > ricnev at mac.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From turrethouse at talktalk.net Sat Dec 5 16:09:00 2009 From: turrethouse at talktalk.net (hugh morgan) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 16:09:00 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Keyboard In-Reply-To: References: <0FB68D74-6BF7-4740-9F75-DB0CD1144448@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Thanks for a good explanation Robbie - I was on the point of asking the same daft question. Incidentally the dinky little thin aluminium keyboard (wired) that came with my iMac does have F11 & F12 as volume control keys and fn in bottom left corner. Hugh Morgan >NMUG followed by a carriage return >and NMUG followed by an enter command > >as exactly the same thing! > >NMUG > >Robbie > > >On 5 Dec 2009, at 09:34, Scott Matthews wrote: > >excuse the possibly daft question - but what is the difference between >return and enter? I just tried fn+return and it seems to do exactly >the same as return on its own. > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From robharrington at mac.com Sun Dec 6 11:02:37 2009 From: robharrington at mac.com (ROB HARRINGTON) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 11:02:37 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Photos displayed on desktop background In-Reply-To: References: <0FB68D74-6BF7-4740-9F75-DB0CD1144448@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <6E889156-B81E-4E82-898D-1D5F1D25DEEE@mac.com> A minor irritant that I would love someone to share a simple solution that actually has already worked for them: When I have set my desktop background to display a new photo at random from my iphoto library, on starting up the G5imac 10.4.11, I find that it often defaults to a non- requested stretched view of the original photo. The controls in the system preference window on my machine for this are not as certain to operate as I would like. On opening it displays 'stretch to fill screen'.If I alter this to 'Fill screen' and then click on a photo to test this it reverts to stretch mode. Similarly,when ticking the 'change picture' box ( in my case - ''when logging in") the revert- to- stretch occurs. I am not sure what the top frame with three circular arrows is meant to do. I have looked up tutorials and forums but (apart from a long list of plists deletes which might help) I haven't got anywhere useful. Its a rainy day problem. I look out the window - its raining. Rob Harrington From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Mon Dec 7 09:40:33 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 09:40:33 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] ejecting disks Message-ID: <05BD7CB4-F54F-4707-8B44-99CCA562AE6E@virgin.net> Occasionally when I am looking at a DVD looking for an image, and after viewing the contents I try to eject the disk I get the message : cannot eject disk as it's still being used" I then have to close all my open programs to eject the disk.. Any way around this please? Martin Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Mon Dec 7 09:55:31 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 09:55:31 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] slow reading Message-ID: <0B409528-AD42-4E3D-AD61-062B7B470AFE@virgin.net> Another query, Again with CD/DVD's. When I load a cd/dvd and the file names appear in the finder, it sometimes take forever for the thumbnail image to show. Is there a setting I can ajust to speed this up? Martin Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com From brian at clearlight.uk.net Mon Dec 7 11:32:35 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 11:32:35 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] slow reading In-Reply-To: <0B409528-AD42-4E3D-AD61-062B7B470AFE@virgin.net> Message-ID: Maybe better to use something that keeps a local copy of the thumbs like iView/Expression Media? Even iPhoto might keep these if you have a library for each disk. Otherwise they are generated by Finder on the fly and optical media reading is slow... It might work - if you like Finder management - to open the CD/DVD in list view - opt click to open every folder - and then drag an alias copy - as a proxy thumbs local copy. But if you've a few discs then iView would be a lot easier. Graphic Converter may be able to make permanent thumbs - I've seen a pref that suggests it can - and it presumably caches them in like fashion to track names on inserted audios. hope this helps regards Brian Martin Fry said recently: > Another query, > > Again with CD/DVD's. > > When I load a cd/dvd and the file names appear in the finder, it > sometimes take forever for the thumbnail image to show. > > Is there a setting I can ajust to speed this up? > > Martin > > Martin Fry > www.martinfryphotography.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Mon Dec 7 10:35:04 2009 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:35:04 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] ejecting disks In-Reply-To: <05BD7CB4-F54F-4707-8B44-99CCA562AE6E@virgin.net> References: <05BD7CB4-F54F-4707-8B44-99CCA562AE6E@virgin.net> Message-ID: Martin, You should only need to close the programme that is open for reading the DVD. ken On 7 Dec 2009, at 09:40 AM, Martin Fry wrote: > Occasionally when I am looking at a DVD looking for an image, and > after viewing the contents I try to eject the disk I get the > message : cannot eject disk as it's still being used" > > I then have to close all my open programs to eject the disk.. > > Any way around this please? > > Martin > > Martin Fry > www.martinfryphotography.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From peterforrester at waitrose.com Mon Dec 7 12:42:33 2009 From: peterforrester at waitrose.com (Peter Forrester) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 12:42:33 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] photos displayed on desktop background Message-ID: I am using Leopard, but the controls sound to be the same. Both 'fill screen' and 'stretch to fill screen' can involve stretching. 'Fit to screen' will offer no distortion, although part of the picture may be cut off. In particular, a portrait-shape will be reduced to landscape. I'm afraid that I often find that my compositions are improved! Landscape-shapes should remain as first photographed. Peter From peterforrester at waitrose.com Mon Dec 7 14:06:46 2009 From: peterforrester at waitrose.com (Peter Forrester) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:06:46 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] photos displayed..... Message-ID: <21D475A9-6FD4-4C7A-848D-B59D865653D5@waitrose.com> Immediately after my previous reply my desktop picture (Portrait- shape) came up with coloured background bars on either side, for the first time. But altering the option to change at 5 second intervals produced cut-down portrait-shapes as usual. So I'm confused too now. Peter From tom at tomkershaw.com Mon Dec 7 12:42:34 2009 From: tom at tomkershaw.com (Tom Kershaw) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2009 12:42:34 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] slow reading In-Reply-To: <0B409528-AD42-4E3D-AD61-062B7B470AFE@virgin.net> References: <0B409528-AD42-4E3D-AD61-062B7B470AFE@virgin.net> Message-ID: <4B1CF83A.1030500@tomkershaw.com> Martin, Is the access speed similarly slow over all your CD or DVD discs? Tom Martin Fry wrote: > Another query, > > Again with CD/DVD's. > > When I load a cd/dvd and the file names appear in the finder, it > sometimes take forever for the thumbnail image to show. > > Is there a setting I can ajust to speed this up? > > Martin > > Martin Fry > www.martinfryphotography.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From turrethouse at talktalk.net Mon Dec 7 15:02:03 2009 From: turrethouse at talktalk.net (hugh morgan) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 15:02:03 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Next NMUG Basics Course - Intro to Graphics on Macs? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Richard I find that I can after all attend this Saturday morning so please count me in. Have recently bought PE so this is just what I need. Hugh Morgan >I'm just starting to prepare for our next workshop which will be on >Saturday 12th December, 10.00 'till 12 noon as usual at St. Matthews >Church. > >This time, I was thinking of running through a few basic computer >graphics principles, ready for a series of courses on Photoshop >Elements and on to PS CS4. From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Mon Dec 7 18:02:46 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:02:46 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] slow reading In-Reply-To: <4B1CF83A.1030500@tomkershaw.com> References: <0B409528-AD42-4E3D-AD61-062B7B470AFE@virgin.net> <4B1CF83A.1030500@tomkershaw.com> Message-ID: <025B990E-B760-4D3B-A02C-872C33A5CF88@virgin.net> Hi Tom Generally, yes! martin > Is the access speed similarly slow over all your CD or DVD discs? > > Tom > >> >> Again with CD/DVD's. >> >> When I load a cd/dvd and the file names appear in the finder, it >> sometimes take forever for the thumbnail image to show. >> >> Is there a setting I can ajust to speed this up? >> >> Martin >> >> Martin Fry >> www.martinfryphotography.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com From paul at durrant.co.uk Mon Dec 7 20:29:43 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:29:43 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Moderation Off In-Reply-To: <025B990E-B760-4D3B-A02C-872C33A5CF88@virgin.net> References: <0B409528-AD42-4E3D-AD61-062B7B470AFE@virgin.net> <4B1CF83A.1030500@tomkershaw.com> <025B990E-B760-4D3B-A02C-872C33A5CF88@virgin.net> Message-ID: <242F0484-51DD-4DFE-95E4-919B5FABA315@durrant.co.uk> Hi All, Moderation is now back off again. regards, Paul NMUG listmaster From andrew at acetuk.com Mon Dec 7 20:49:30 2009 From: andrew at acetuk.com (Andrew Forde) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 20:49:30 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Website hosting Message-ID: <64B7B7C3-AFFD-43E6-9AB4-FCCD036D761A@mac.com> Not sure if this is of interest to anyone but there is a special offer on website hosting from a company that's suppose to be pretty good - http://www.siteground.com/christmas.htm Looks a good deal if you want a space to play with, dip your toe in the website design world. Any use for the revamp of our website? Andrew Sent from my iPhone From phil.charnley at ntlworld.com Mon Dec 7 17:22:03 2009 From: phil.charnley at ntlworld.com (Phil Charnley) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 17:22:03 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] ejecting disks In-Reply-To: <05BD7CB4-F54F-4707-8B44-99CCA562AE6E@virgin.net> References: <05BD7CB4-F54F-4707-8B44-99CCA562AE6E@virgin.net> Message-ID: Two suggestions. I sometimes use disk utility if discs don't want to eject. Generally works. Alternatively try relaunching Finder with Force Quit, then eject. On 7 Dec 2009, at 09:40, Martin Fry wrote: > Occasionally when I am looking at a DVD looking for an image, and > after viewing the contents I try to eject the disk I get the > message : cannot eject disk as it's still being used" > > I then have to close all my open programs to eject the disk.. > > Any way around this please? > > Martin > > Martin Fry > www.martinfryphotography.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Mon Dec 7 22:00:14 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 22:00:14 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] ejecting disks In-Reply-To: References: <05BD7CB4-F54F-4707-8B44-99CCA562AE6E@virgin.net> Message-ID: <99422B9C-4BEC-4B39-B6FF-4C70BC7F718D@virgin.net> Thanks Phil & all! Regards Martin > Two suggestions. I sometimes use disk utility if discs don't want to > eject. Generally works. > Alternatively try relaunching Finder with Force Quit, then eject. > > > > On 7 Dec 2009, at 09:40, Martin Fry > wrote: > >> Occasionally when I am looking at a DVD looking for an image, and >> after viewing the contents I try to eject the disk I get the >> message : cannot eject disk as it's still being used" >> I then have to close all my open programs to eject the disk.. >> Any way around this please? >> Martin From tom at tomkershaw.com Tue Dec 8 11:40:27 2009 From: tom at tomkershaw.com (Tom Kershaw) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:40:27 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] slow reading In-Reply-To: <025B990E-B760-4D3B-A02C-872C33A5CF88@virgin.net> References: <0B409528-AD42-4E3D-AD61-062B7B470AFE@virgin.net> <4B1CF83A.1030500@tomkershaw.com> <025B990E-B760-4D3B-A02C-872C33A5CF88@virgin.net> Message-ID: <4B1E3B2B.2070107@tomkershaw.com> If the problem is general, perhaps you would be better off keeping images on hard disks, with the CD or DVD as a back-up? - although obviously I don't know what your workflow is. I was surprised how low prices are now for hard disk space when I looked a few weeks ago. Tom Martin Fry wrote: > Hi Tom > > Generally, yes! > > martin > > > > > >> Is the access speed similarly slow over all your CD or DVD discs? >> >> Tom >> >> >>> Again with CD/DVD's. >>> >>> When I load a cd/dvd and the file names appear in the finder, it >>> sometimes take forever for the thumbnail image to show. >>> >>> Is there a setting I can ajust to speed this up? >>> >>> Martin >>> >>> Martin Fry >>> www.martinfryphotography.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > Martin Fry > www.martinfryphotography.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From allanmacam at me.com Tue Dec 8 21:14:36 2009 From: allanmacam at me.com (Allan) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:14:36 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Not great news for the the iMacs Message-ID: New site track user and problems with the new 27 inch iMacs. http://imac.squeaked.com/results.php AJ From brian at clearlight.uk.net Tue Dec 8 21:50:03 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:50:03 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Epson Perfection 4870 Photo In-Reply-To: <7A7F22C7-0355-401D-86DD-8E5A421376EF@virgin.net> Message-ID: Hi Martin Is this in pristine condition? IE: is the glass perfect and the general appearance good? And would I be better with this (anyone?) than spending a similar amount on a new Epson or other scanner. (We might have a one off job of old film negs and photos but otherwise just want a fairly decent scanner) My current Canon is neatly small but takes a stupid time to 'adjust lamp'. (Well it was free - but its not practical). all the best Brian Martin Fry said recently: > Hi all > > A friend of mine is selling his Epson Perfection 4870 Photo scanner > for ?125.00. > > This is the replacement for the Epson Perfection 3200 Photo which some > of you raved about a while ago. > > Anyone interested please let me know! > > Martin > > Martin Fry > www.martinfryphotography.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Tue Dec 8 22:22:43 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:22:43 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Epson Perfection 4870 Photo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0404B976-7F90-46D3-9DB0-1B5AD7F3DEA8@virgin.net> Hi, Brian The scanner belongs to a professional photographer friend who demands only the very best quality from his scans, but I have forwarded your message to him to get it from 'the horses mouth' as they say. I'll let you know soonest Martin > Is this in pristine condition? > IE: is the glass perfect and the general appearance good? > > And would I be better with this (anyone?) than spending a similar > amount on > a new Epson or other scanner. (We might have a one off job of old > film negs > and photos but otherwise just want a fairly decent scanner) From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Wed Dec 9 10:51:01 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:51:01 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Epson Perfection 4870 Photo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <32C4141E-89B2-4205-8E9E-BBCDF41929F5@virgin.net> Brian, I have the 3200 Epson perfection Photo, so count me in as one of the ravers. Nathan On 8 Dec 2009, at 21:50, Brian Steere wrote: > Hi Martin > Is this in pristine condition? > IE: is the glass perfect and the general appearance good? > > And would I be better with this (anyone?) than spending a similar amount on > a new Epson or other scanner. (We might have a one off job of old film negs > and photos but otherwise just want a fairly decent scanner) > > My current Canon is neatly small but takes a stupid time to 'adjust lamp'. > (Well it was free - but its not practical). > > all the best > Brian > > Martin Fry said recently: > >> Hi all >> >> A friend of mine is selling his Epson Perfection 4870 Photo scanner >> for ?125.00. >> >> This is the replacement for the Epson Perfection 3200 Photo which some >> of you raved about a while ago. >> >> Anyone interested please let me know! >> >> Martin >> >> Martin Fry >> www.martinfryphotography.com >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Wed Dec 9 10:54:57 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:54:57 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Not great news for the the iMacs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am sure Apple will sort it out and it is a tiny amount compared with the numbers sold. Just confirms my belief that it is unwise to buy anything new until it has had a chance to settle in. Nathan On 8 Dec 2009, at 21:14, Allan wrote: > New site track user and problems with the new 27 inch iMacs. > > http://imac.squeaked.com/results.php > > > AJ > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From sc at davidviner.com Wed Dec 9 11:18:27 2009 From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:18:27 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Not great news for the the iMacs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B1F8783.7080506@davidviner.com> Well, given that VAT is going back up on Jan 1st and Apple were having their "cheapo" day a couple of Fridays ago, I took the plunge a bought a new 21.5" iMac from the Norwich Apple store (my old PowerPC Macs were getting decidedly slow). I did insist on a keyboard with numeric keypad though - as the box came with the small one, they sold me an extra keyboard at 99% discount = ?0.28 - I couldn't complain about that! So far all is fine (no cracks or flickery screens). I did show the Apple guy the original report on the Register site: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/24/apple_imac_flaws/ as he hadn't heard of the problems. According to the Inquirer yeaterday the level of faults has dropped recently so it seems that Apple have already got on top of things: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1565235/apple-imac-punter-tallies-complaints I do like the magic mouse! Though slightly annoyed that I've got buy an add-on to get iMovie to import MPegs - before I splash out all of ?15 does anyone know of a freebie that can do this? David Nathan Crosby wrote: > I am sure Apple will sort it out and it is a tiny amount compared with the numbers sold. > > Just confirms my belief that it is unwise to buy anything new until > it has had a chance to settle in. > > Nathan > > > > On 8 Dec 2009, at 21:14, Allan wrote: > > >> New site track user and problems with the new 27 inch iMacs. >> >> http://imac.squeaked.com/results.php >> >> >> AJ >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From ian at igdesign.co.uk Wed Dec 9 11:38:50 2009 From: ian at igdesign.co.uk (Ian Garrett) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 11:38:50 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] apple-software.net Message-ID: Hi All, I've just had an email from apple-software.net offering Adobe (and other) software at about 10% of retail price. I take it there's a catch - no serial number or something - and it's pirated stuff. Has anyone else had this email? Does anyone have any experience of this site? When it started to load, a logo appeared briefly in Russian lettering or similar, but that quickly disappeared. Regards, Ian From paul at durrant.co.uk Wed Dec 9 11:44:28 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 11:44:28 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] apple-software.net In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've no experience of the site, but nowhere can offer legitimate Adobe software at 10% retail price. If you don't want to pay Adobe, get it free by torrent* rather than paying these crooks. Paul *Not that I'd advocating this either, of course. If you can't afford Adobe's prices, there are plenty of free or cheap alternatives for image editing, vector graphics, page layout and web design. On 9 Dec 2009, at 11:38, Ian Garrett wrote: > Hi All, > > I've just had an email from apple-software.net offering Adobe (and > other) software at about 10% of retail price. I take it there's a > catch - no serial number or something - and it's pirated stuff. Has > anyone else had this email? Does anyone have any experience of this > site? When it started to load, a logo appeared briefly in Russian > lettering or similar, but that quickly disappeared. > > Regards, > Ian > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From paul at durrant.co.uk Wed Dec 9 11:45:08 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 11:45:08 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] apple-software.net In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh - and NEVER respond to spam. regards, Paul On 9 Dec 2009, at 11:38, Ian Garrett wrote: > I've just had an email from apple-software.net offering Adobe (and > other) software at about 10% of retail price. From munkt0n at gmail.com Wed Dec 9 11:50:22 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 11:50:22 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] apple-software.net In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: looks like a scam. domain is registered in Turkey, and I'm sure Apples lawyers would have a field day if they saw it. I would avoid it all costs On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Ian Garrett wrote: > Hi All, > > I've just had an email from apple-software.net offering Adobe (and > other) software at about 10% of retail price. I take it there's a > catch - no serial number or something - and it's pirated stuff. Has > anyone else had this email? Does anyone have any experience of this > site? When it started to load, a logo appeared briefly in Russian > lettering or similar, but that quickly disappeared. > > Regards, > Ian > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- :wq From munkt0n at gmail.com Wed Dec 9 11:53:19 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 11:53:19 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Not great news for the the iMacs In-Reply-To: <4B1F8783.7080506@davidviner.com> References: <4B1F8783.7080506@davidviner.com> Message-ID: iMovie won't import mpegs? I thought .mp4 was Apples format of choice these days... 'handbrake' can convert lots of video formats, and it's free http://handbrake.fr/ 'video monkey' is an alternative http://videomonkey.org/Video_Monkey/News/News.html On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:18 AM, David Viner wrote: > Well, given that VAT is going back up on Jan 1st and Apple were having > their "cheapo" day a couple of Fridays ago, I took the plunge a bought a > new 21.5" iMac from the Norwich Apple store (my old PowerPC Macs were > getting decidedly slow). I did insist on a keyboard with numeric keypad > though - as the box came with the small one, they sold me an extra > keyboard at 99% discount = ?0.28 - I couldn't complain about that! > > So far all is fine (no cracks or flickery screens). I did show the Apple > guy the original report on the Register site: > ? ? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/24/apple_imac_flaws/ > as he hadn't heard of the problems. According to the Inquirer yeaterday > the level of faults has dropped recently so it seems that Apple have > already got on top of things: > > http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1565235/apple-imac-punter-tallies-complaints > > I do like the magic mouse! Though slightly annoyed that I've got buy an > add-on to get iMovie to import MPegs - before I splash out all of ?15 > does anyone know of a freebie that can do this? > > David > > > Nathan Crosby wrote: >> I am sure Apple will sort it out and it is a tiny amount compared with the numbers sold. >> >> Just confirms my belief that it is unwise to buy anything new until >> it has had a chance to settle in. >> >> Nathan >> >> >> >> On 8 Dec 2009, at 21:14, Allan wrote: >> >> >>> New site track user and problems with the new 27 inch iMacs. >>> >>> http://imac.squeaked.com/results.php >>> >>> >>> AJ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- :wq From ian at igdesign.co.uk Wed Dec 9 13:30:22 2009 From: ian at igdesign.co.uk (Ian Garrett) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 13:30:22 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] apple-software.net In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57971388-B561-472E-B6AE-A411381F9B87@igdesign.co.uk> Thank you, Paul and Scott. There now, I must have thought it was Christmas... Regards, Ian On 9 Dec , at Wed 09 Dec 2009, 11:44:28, Paul Durrant wrote: > I've no experience of the site, but nowhere can offer legitimate Adobe > software at 10% retail price. > > If you don't want to pay Adobe, get it free by torrent* rather than > paying these crooks. > > > Paul > > *Not that I'd advocating this either, of course. If you can't afford > Adobe's prices, there are plenty of free or cheap alternatives for > image editing, vector graphics, page layout and web design. > > On 9 Dec 2009, at 11:38, Ian Garrett wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I've just had an email from apple-software.net offering Adobe (and >> other) software at about 10% of retail price. I take it there's a >> catch - no serial number or something - and it's pirated stuff. Has >> anyone else had this email? Does anyone have any experience of this >> site? When it started to load, a logo appeared briefly in Russian >> lettering or similar, but that quickly disappeared. >> >> Regards, >> Ian >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ghowells at f2s.com Wed Dec 9 15:14:34 2009 From: ghowells at f2s.com (G.Howells) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:14:34 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] File-opening problems. Message-ID: Hi. Do any of you computer professionals know what Unexpected error -1700 is? Why do I ask? Well, since the latest update from Apple received yesterday (Java for Mac OS X 10.6 Update 1 Version 1.0?) AppleWorks won't open my drawing documents that are saved to a folder within the HardDisc [giving the error message instead], though I have discovered that some of them can be opened if they are first dragged from the folder onto the desktop. I'm wondering if this happening after the update is cause or coincidence. I have run Disk utility, and repaired Disk Permissions which has left the following:- "Warning: SUID file "System/Library/CoreServices/RemoteManagement/ARDAgent.app/Contents/MacOS/ARDAgent" has been modified and will not be repaired." Unfortunately most of my correspondence over a number of years is affected and iWorks won't open the Drawing Documents. Snow Leopard 10.6.2 on 24" Intel iMac I have restarted he computer twice! from shut down (which has sometimes cured problems on the past. Any help, ideas, etc appreciated before I think about other avenues of approach. Gordon. From fowler.j at mac.com Wed Dec 9 16:20:16 2009 From: fowler.j at mac.com (Jonathan Fowler) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:20:16 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Not great news for the the iMacs In-Reply-To: References: <4B1F8783.7080506@davidviner.com> Message-ID: <902E49A9-83CF-4E37-B5DD-9CF58249E281@mac.com> Mpeg streamclip is a fantastic piece of software for movie converting. Handbrake is good for ripping but I am unaware of it's formatting. Sent from my iPhone On 9 Dec 2009, at 11:53, Scott Matthews wrote: > iMovie won't import mpegs? I thought .mp4 was Apples format of choice > these days... > > 'handbrake' can convert lots of video formats, and it's free > http://handbrake.fr/ > > 'video monkey' is an alternative > http://videomonkey.org/Video_Monkey/News/News.html > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:18 AM, David Viner > wrote: >> Well, given that VAT is going back up on Jan 1st and Apple were >> having >> their "cheapo" day a couple of Fridays ago, I took the plunge a >> bought a >> new 21.5" iMac from the Norwich Apple store (my old PowerPC Macs were >> getting decidedly slow). I did insist on a keyboard with numeric >> keypad >> though - as the box came with the small one, they sold me an extra >> keyboard at 99% discount = ?0.28 - I couldn't complain about that! >> >> So far all is fine (no cracks or flickery screens). I did show the >> Apple >> guy the original report on the Register site: >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/24/apple_imac_flaws/ >> as he hadn't heard of the problems. According to the Inquirer >> yeaterday >> the level of faults has dropped recently so it seems that Apple have >> already got on top of things: >> >> http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1565235/apple-imac-punter-tallies-complaints >> >> I do like the magic mouse! Though slightly annoyed that I've got >> buy an >> add-on to get iMovie to import MPegs - before I splash out all of >> ?15 >> does anyone know of a freebie that can do this? >> >> David >> >> >> Nathan Crosby wrote: >>> I am sure Apple will sort it out and it is a tiny amount compared >>> with the numbers sold. >>> >>> Just confirms my belief that it is unwise to buy anything new until >>> it has had a chance to settle in. >>> >>> Nathan >>> >>> >>> >>> On 8 Dec 2009, at 21:14, Allan wrote: >>> >>> >>>> New site track user and problems with the new 27 inch iMacs. >>>> >>>> http://imac.squeaked.com/results.php >>>> >>>> >>>> AJ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > > > -- > :wq > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From jeremyknight at mac.com Wed Dec 9 16:32:30 2009 From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:32:30 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] imac with blue screen help please Message-ID: <233F0421-D265-4344-B9D7-46143B697801@mac.com> HI All, My wife's imac running leopard has a probelm. she has been getting the odd device disconnected message. this n morning blue screen. I did an original cd disc start up everything was fine screen up and colour fine,until it came to verify disc and it froze. I connected hers to mine and did a diskwarrior which reported no errors. I did a new directory install anyway.( we have file vault) I have done command control pr I have tried shift start up. and command and s start up - no change- amy further suggestions please? jeremy From paul at durrant.co.uk Wed Dec 9 17:07:36 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:07:36 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] imac with blue screen help please In-Reply-To: <233F0421-D265-4344-B9D7-46143B697801@mac.com> References: <233F0421-D265-4344-B9D7-46143B697801@mac.com> Message-ID: <3B50D834-E880-46DB-927C-EEF62E9C0E51@durrant.co.uk> It sounds rather like a hardware fault. Is it still under warranty? If so, make an appointment with the AppleStore and take it along. Otherwise, which iMac is it? regards, Paul On 9 Dec 2009, at 16:32, jeremy knight wrote: > HI All, > My wife's imac running leopard has a probelm. > she has been getting the odd device disconnected message. > this n morning blue screen. > I did an original cd disc start up everything was fine screen up and > colour fine,until it came to verify disc and it froze. > I connected hers to mine and did a diskwarrior which reported no > errors. > I did a new directory install anyway.( we have file vault) > I have done command control pr > I have tried shift start up. > and > command and s start up - no change- amy further suggestions please? > jeremy > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From paul at durrant.co.uk Wed Dec 9 17:47:27 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:47:27 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] MacBook one eBay Message-ID: <2BBBDD08-AFB4-4A5A-A1DE-B1F986B0A0C6@durrant.co.uk> Hi All, My MacBook is now listed on eBay. Hopefully it'll go for more than I offered it for here! In five days we'll see... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQitemZ150396378856 regards, Paul From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Wed Dec 9 17:56:21 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 17:56:21 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] MacBook one eBay In-Reply-To: <2BBBDD08-AFB4-4A5A-A1DE-B1F986B0A0C6@durrant.co.uk> References: <2BBBDD08-AFB4-4A5A-A1DE-B1F986B0A0C6@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <7221F0A1-1CCC-48D8-8245-EE12C85EC219@virgin.net> Paul. Since you seem more familiar with eBay than I am, could you give me some idea of what I might ask for my 24inch maxed out white iMac? (if not sold on eBay) regards Nathan On 9 Dec 2009, at 17:47, Paul Durrant wrote: > Hi All, > > My MacBook is now listed on eBay. Hopefully it'll go for more than I > offered it for here! > > In five days we'll see... > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQitemZ150396378856 > > > regards, > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Wed Dec 9 20:33:38 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 20:33:38 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Untimely machine Message-ID: My time machine reports that it doesn't have enough space to back-up. It says that it has 1.2 GB to back up. Where's that coming from? My internal Hard disk is only 600GB. Anyway why isn't it erasing when it runs out of space. Nathan From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk Wed Dec 9 20:35:53 2009 From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 20:35:53 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Untimely machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <32F4B325-2FE2-4FF0-834C-BC9EE4AD47FA@zen.co.uk> It's likely what needs backing up is much bigger than the 1.2gig it has left. Steven Jefferson steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk On 9 Dec 2009, at 20:33, Nathan Crosby wrote: > My time machine reports that it doesn't have enough space to back-up. > It says that it has 1.2 GB to back up. Where's that coming from? My internal Hard disk > is only 600GB. Anyway why isn't it erasing when it runs out of space. > > Nathan > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Wed Dec 9 20:43:01 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 20:43:01 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Untimely machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 1.2GB doesn't seem that much. Do you mean 1.2TB? In which case, I've no idea why it thinks that - unless you have just attached a full external hard disk, and it's trying to back that up too. (By default, Time Machine backups up all connected disks - not just the internal one.) regards, Paul On 9 Dec 2009, at 20:33, Nathan Crosby wrote: > My time machine reports that it doesn't have enough space to back-up. > It says that it has 1.2 GB to back up. Where's that coming from? My > internal Hard disk > is only 600GB. Anyway why isn't it erasing when it runs out of space. From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Wed Dec 9 20:44:03 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 20:44:03 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Untimely machine In-Reply-To: <32F4B325-2FE2-4FF0-834C-BC9EE4AD47FA@zen.co.uk> References: <32F4B325-2FE2-4FF0-834C-BC9EE4AD47FA@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: <15AC40E1-828C-4ECC-B981-29F77998C79B@virgin.net> But my allocated Time machine disk is 1TB Nathan On 9 Dec 2009, at 20:35, Steven Jefferson wrote: > It's likely what needs backing up is much bigger than the 1.2gig it has left. > > Steven Jefferson > steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk > > > > On 9 Dec 2009, at 20:33, Nathan Crosby wrote: > >> My time machine reports that it doesn't have enough space to back-up. >> It says that it has 1.2 GB to back up. Where's that coming from? My internal Hard disk >> is only 600GB. Anyway why isn't it erasing when it runs out of space. >> >> Nathan >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Wed Dec 9 21:23:45 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 21:23:45 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Untimely machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FFE0650-5EAD-4AD6-B2D9-F68DE0F09D6E@virgin.net> On 9 Dec 2009, at 20:43, Paul Durrant wrote: > . Do you mean 1.2TB? In which case, I've > no idea why it thinks that - unless you have just attached a full > external hard disk, and it's trying to back that up too. (By default, > Time Machine backups up all connected disks - not just the internal > one.) > > regards, > > Paul > > On 9 Dec 2009, at 20:33, Nathan Crosby wrote: > >> My time machine reports that it doesn't have enough space to back-up. >> It says that it has 1.2 GB to back up. Where's that coming from? My >> internal Hard disk >> is only 600GB. Anyway why isn't it erasing when it runs out of space. > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Wed Dec 9 21:27:49 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 21:27:49 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Untimely machine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7EF3F90E-8951-45C0-B158-925D90763905@virgin.net> Thanks Paul.Yes I did mean 1.2 TB! I hadn't realised that all connected disks were saved. It looks as if time machine was trying to back my backup i.e. Super Duper disk copy of my had disk. regards Nathan On 9 Dec 2009, at 20:43, Paul Durrant wrote: > 1.2GB doesn't seem that much. Do you mean 1.2TB? In which case, I've > no idea why it thinks that - unless you have just attached a full > external hard disk, and it's trying to back that up too. (By default, > Time Machine backups up all connected disks - not just the internal > one.) > > regards, > > Paul > > On 9 Dec 2009, at 20:33, Nathan Crosby wrote: > >> My time machine reports that it doesn't have enough space to back-up. >> It says that it has 1.2 GB to back up. Where's that coming from? My >> internal Hard disk >> is only 600GB. Anyway why isn't it erasing when it runs out of space. > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ken.hamer at stackyard.org Wed Dec 9 23:30:03 2009 From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:30:03 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] File-opening problems. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4B2032FB.7060700@stackyard.org> Gordon, I'm afraid that AppleWorks is fading away. Sales stopped a couple years ago and AppleWorks is no longer supported on Leopard or Snow Leopard although many find that it works fine - unless it doesn't. It is important to install Rosetta when installing Snow Leopard, otherwise AppleWorks probably won't work at all. A lot of people are experiencing the same symptoms you are and are finding that documents will open after being dragged to the desktop. Use iWork. ALLEGEDLY (I don't have any AppleWorks drawings to try it), iWork should be able to import AppleWorks drawings. It can open AppleWorks documents directly. See http://www.apple.com/support/appleworks/faq/ although it is not too much more than a sales pitch for iWork. Sorry to be the bringer of bad news. Regards, Ken Hamer G.Howells wrote: > Hi. > Do any of you computer professionals know what > Unexpected error -1700 is? > > Why do I ask? > Well, since the latest update from Apple received yesterday (Java for > Mac OS X 10.6 Update 1 Version 1.0?) AppleWorks won't open my drawing > documents that are saved to a folder within the HardDisc [giving the > error message instead], though I have discovered that some of them > can be opened if they are first dragged from the folder onto the > desktop. I'm wondering if this happening after the update is cause or > coincidence. > > I have run Disk utility, and repaired Disk Permissions which has left > the following:- > > "Warning: SUID file > "System/Library/CoreServices/RemoteManagement/ARDAgent.app/Contents/MacOS/ARDAgent" > has been modified and will not be repaired." > > Unfortunately most of my correspondence over a number of years is > affected and iWorks won't open the Drawing Documents. > > Snow Leopard 10.6.2 on 24" Intel iMac > > I have restarted he computer twice! from shut down (which has > sometimes cured problems on the past. > > Any help, ideas, etc appreciated before I think about other avenues > of approach. > > Gordon. > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From allanmacam at me.com Thu Dec 10 10:53:49 2009 From: allanmacam at me.com (Allan) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:53:49 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Apple's iTunes on the web?? Message-ID: <688C10E8-A91B-429F-A59D-D6879F5CDF5B@me.com> 9to5mac carry a story from the Web Street Journal about Apple planning on moving iTunes to the web. Hmm. http://thurly.net//9xb AJ From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu Dec 10 14:00:32 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:00:32 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Looking for a MacBook? Again. In-Reply-To: <362A024B-B3D0-416A-B447-443E5B6553A9@durrant.co.uk> References: <362A024B-B3D0-416A-B447-443E5B6553A9@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <17301B2B-1339-46E7-BB5D-3B4DCA543BBB@durrant.co.uk> They seem to be back in stock again. A real bargain. http://store.apple.com/uk/product/FC240B/A?mco=MTA4MzIxNjk Paul On 4 Dec 2009, at 10:44, Paul Durrant wrote: > In the refurb store at the moment Apple have some 2.13GHz White > MacBooks for sale at ?579. They come with Snow Leopard and iLife '09. > > These look like an absolute bargain - making my second-hand MacBook > look very expensive. I guess it's to ebay with it! > > So - want a MacBook? Go to the refurb store - hurry, they'll be gone > soon, I'm sure. From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Thu Dec 10 16:44:37 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:44:37 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] DVD Message-ID: <5DC50270-D39D-49F0-950E-77B27036432B@virgin.net> I have burnt a movie to DVD taken on a camcorder via the TV. Just put it onto the computer to copy it and it is asking me to set the region from 1 to 8. HELP! Martin Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Thu Dec 10 18:07:42 2009 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:07:42 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] DVD In-Reply-To: <5DC50270-D39D-49F0-950E-77B27036432B@virgin.net> References: <5DC50270-D39D-49F0-950E-77B27036432B@virgin.net> Message-ID: <0CB57A05-5FDE-4884-8EEC-0AC822F61354@virgin.net> Try Mac the Ripper. You may have to make another DVD after selecting the appropriate region on Mac the Ripper. Ken On 10 Dec 2009, at 04:44 PM, Martin Fry wrote: > I have burnt a movie to DVD taken on a camcorder via the TV. > > Just put it onto the computer to copy it and it is asking me to set > the region from 1 to 8. HELP! > > Martin > > > Martin Fry > www.martinfryphotography.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Thu Dec 10 18:52:30 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:52:30 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] DVD In-Reply-To: <0CB57A05-5FDE-4884-8EEC-0AC822F61354@virgin.net> References: <5DC50270-D39D-49F0-950E-77B27036432B@virgin.net> <0CB57A05-5FDE-4884-8EEC-0AC822F61354@virgin.net> Message-ID: <8E0A9AAD-40FB-443C-9F22-C52C135A3931@virgin.net> Hi Ken And the appropriate region is? martin > > Try Mac the Ripper. > You may have to make another DVD after selecting the appropriate > region on Mac the Ripper. > > Ken >> >> Just put it onto the computer to copy it and it is asking me to set >> the region from 1 to 8. HELP! >> Martin >> From penguinsplj at me.com Thu Dec 10 19:01:15 2009 From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:01:15 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] DVD In-Reply-To: <8E0A9AAD-40FB-443C-9F22-C52C135A3931@virgin.net> References: <5DC50270-D39D-49F0-950E-77B27036432B@virgin.net> <0CB57A05-5FDE-4884-8EEC-0AC822F61354@virgin.net> <8E0A9AAD-40FB-443C-9F22-C52C135A3931@virgin.net> Message-ID: <3DB6C302-302F-42AC-982C-2467EE88E10C@me.com> On Dec 10, 2009, at 18:52, Martin Fry wrote: > And the appropriate region is? Set it for "Region Free". Paul C From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Thu Dec 10 19:16:42 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:16:42 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] DVD In-Reply-To: <3DB6C302-302F-42AC-982C-2467EE88E10C@me.com> References: <5DC50270-D39D-49F0-950E-77B27036432B@virgin.net> <0CB57A05-5FDE-4884-8EEC-0AC822F61354@virgin.net> <8E0A9AAD-40FB-443C-9F22-C52C135A3931@virgin.net> <3DB6C302-302F-42AC-982C-2467EE88E10C@me.com> Message-ID: <2EA76CF6-AC3F-43C8-BAD2-7B819B4B8B61@virgin.net> hi Paul no setting for that, only no's 1 to 8 ? martin >> And the appropriate region is? > > Set it for "Region Free". > > Paul C > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com From david at vanedwards.co.uk Thu Dec 10 19:56:15 2009 From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:56:15 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] DVD In-Reply-To: <2EA76CF6-AC3F-43C8-BAD2-7B819B4B8B61@virgin.net> References: <5DC50270-D39D-49F0-950E-77B27036432B@virgin.net> <0CB57A05-5FDE-4884-8EEC-0AC822F61354@virgin.net> <8E0A9AAD-40FB-443C-9F22-C52C135A3931@virgin.net> <3DB6C302-302F-42AC-982C-2467EE88E10C@me.com> <2EA76CF6-AC3F-43C8-BAD2-7B819B4B8B61@virgin.net> Message-ID: Dear Martin Set it for 2 That's Europe it\s a copyright issue and if you set it to somewhere else your DVD reader should refuse to play it!! the other areas are given here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_region_code Best wishes, David >hi Paul > >no setting for that, only no's 1 to 8 ? > >martin > > > > > > >>> And the appropriate region is? >> >> Set it for "Region Free". >> >> Paul C >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: >>http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > >Martin Fry >www.martinfryphotography.com > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Thu Dec 10 20:15:48 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:15:48 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] DVD In-Reply-To: References: <5DC50270-D39D-49F0-950E-77B27036432B@virgin.net> <0CB57A05-5FDE-4884-8EEC-0AC822F61354@virgin.net> <8E0A9AAD-40FB-443C-9F22-C52C135A3931@virgin.net> <3DB6C302-302F-42AC-982C-2467EE88E10C@me.com> <2EA76CF6-AC3F-43C8-BAD2-7B819B4B8B61@virgin.net> Message-ID: Thanks David !! > Set it for 2 > > That's Europe it\s a copyright issue and if you set it to somewhere > else your DVD reader should refuse to play it!! From penguinsplj at me.com Thu Dec 10 20:21:11 2009 From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:21:11 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] DVD In-Reply-To: <2EA76CF6-AC3F-43C8-BAD2-7B819B4B8B61@virgin.net> References: <5DC50270-D39D-49F0-950E-77B27036432B@virgin.net> <0CB57A05-5FDE-4884-8EEC-0AC822F61354@virgin.net> <8E0A9AAD-40FB-443C-9F22-C52C135A3931@virgin.net> <3DB6C302-302F-42AC-982C-2467EE88E10C@me.com> <2EA76CF6-AC3F-43C8-BAD2-7B819B4B8B61@virgin.net> Message-ID: <51FFCA99-10B6-4726-AAB3-D680D3DCD9B3@me.com> On Dec 10, 2009, at 19:16, Martin Fry wrote: > no setting for that, only no's 1 to 8 ? David suggested 2 which is fine for you if the DVD is just for here but MacTheRipper does give you the option to tick all the regions. That would allow a copy to play anywhere. Paul C From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Fri Dec 11 08:56:24 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 08:56:24 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] DVD In-Reply-To: References: <5DC50270-D39D-49F0-950E-77B27036432B@virgin.net> <0CB57A05-5FDE-4884-8EEC-0AC822F61354@virgin.net> <8E0A9AAD-40FB-443C-9F22-C52C135A3931@virgin.net> <3DB6C302-302F-42AC-982C-2467EE88E10C@me.com> <2EA76CF6-AC3F-43C8-BAD2-7B819B4B8B61@virgin.net> Message-ID: Thanks David !! > Set it for 2 > > That's Europe it\s a copyright issue and if you set it to somewhere > else your DVD reader should refuse to play it!! From andrew at acetuk.com Fri Dec 11 17:04:47 2009 From: andrew at acetuk.com (Andrew Forde) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:04:47 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] MacBook one eBay Message-ID: Nathan. How much are you asking for it? And what is the spec please? Andrew From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Fri Dec 11 18:34:39 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:34:39 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] MacBook one eBay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think you want Paul Durrant regards Nathan On 11 Dec 2009, at 17:04, Andrew Forde wrote: > Nathan. > > How much are you asking for it? And what is the spec please? > > Andrew > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Fri Dec 11 22:31:13 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:31:13 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] MacBook one eBay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99997EE5-93A0-4B69-8C42-6BDE45615FC8@durrant.co.uk> It's on eBay. It's an Auction. I hope to make over ?400. But that rather depends on what people are willing to bid. It's a late 2006 MacBook. 2GHz Core 2 Duo, 3GB RAM, 80GB hard drive, Superdrive (DVD-R) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150396378856 regards, Paul On 11 Dec 2009, at 17:04, Andrew Forde wrote: > Nathan. > > How much are you asking for it? And what is the spec please? > > Andrew From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Sat Dec 12 10:09:31 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:09:31 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] PayPal Message-ID: Paypal has just done the following: "returned your account to regular standing". Does anyone know what this means please Martin Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com From munkt0n at gmail.com Sat Dec 12 10:26:29 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:26:29 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] MacBook one eBay In-Reply-To: <99997EE5-93A0-4B69-8C42-6BDE45615FC8@durrant.co.uk> References: <99997EE5-93A0-4B69-8C42-6BDE45615FC8@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: haha! just chuckling at the 'would you consider a buy it now for ?100' question. I have some magic beans you may be interested in... On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Paul Durrant wrote: > It's on eBay. It's an Auction. I hope to make over ?400. But that rather depends on what people are willing to bid. > > It's a late 2006 MacBook. 2GHz Core 2 Duo, 3GB RAM, 80GB hard drive, Superdrive (DVD-R) > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150396378856 > > regards, > > Paul > > On 11 Dec 2009, at 17:04, Andrew Forde wrote: > >> Nathan. >> >> How much are you asking for it? ?And what is the spec please? >> >> Andrew > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- :wq From kelvinyoungs at mac.com Sat Dec 12 10:34:19 2009 From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:34:19 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] PayPal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <941548FD-B9F3-41D3-89FC-CC91456DAAA2@mac.com> Normally follows a dispute of some kind Martin. If no dispute has taken place then I have no idea ? sorry. Kelvin On 12 Dec 2009, at 10:09, Martin Fry wrote: > Paypal has just done the following: > > "returned your account to regular standing". > > Does anyone know what this means please > > > > Martin Fry From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk Sat Dec 12 10:49:14 2009 From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 10:49:14 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] PayPal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43F4A78B-66FD-4CE4-B086-66BBDD5CA12D@freeflightsupplies.co.uk> Martin Be aware very aware! There are lots of these phishing e-mails re Pay Pal. First question did it refer to you as customer or account holder rather than by your full name? If so this is somebody phishing at into your account. Forward to Do not reply or provide any info. Michael Woodhouse mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ On 12 Dec 2009, at 10:09, Martin Fry wrote: > Paypal has just done the following: > > "returned your account to regular standing". > > Does anyone know what this means please > > Martin > > Martin Fry > www.martinfryphotography.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From andrew at acetuk.com Sat Dec 12 12:26:05 2009 From: andrew at acetuk.com (Andrew Forde) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 12:26:05 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] MacBook one eBay - iMac Message-ID: No. I thought from your message that you have an iMac for sale. That is what is was asking about. Did I misunderstand? Sent from my iPhone From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Sat Dec 12 13:37:57 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:37:57 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] MacBook one eBay - iMac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Andrew, it was the subject line that caused the confusion. I may have a 24 inch iMac for sale. But it will not be till after christmas Nathan On 12 Dec 2009, at 12:26, Andrew Forde wrote: > No. I thought from your message that you have an iMac for sale. That > is what is was asking about. Did I misunderstand? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ricnev at mac.com Sat Dec 12 13:47:02 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:47:02 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Changing Subject Lines - Was:Re: MacBook one eBay - iMac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0A835A2C-FE4F-4F00-889C-B8D8D838F8DB@mac.com> If we all remembered to change the subject line when the thread runs off the original subject, it might help. I'm better than some at remembering to do this, but I do forget sometimes. On 12 Dec 2009, at 13:37, nathan crosby wrote: > Andrew, it was the subject line that caused the confusion. > > I may have a 24 inch iMac for sale. But it will not be till after > christmas > > Nathan > > > On 12 Dec 2009, at 12:26, Andrew Forde wrote: > >> No. I thought from your message that you have an iMac for sale. That >> is what is was asking about. Did I misunderstand? >> Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From paul at durrant.co.uk Sat Dec 12 14:21:51 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:21:51 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] PayPal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2B19DC10-B824-4CF2-B6B2-8185FA2AD798@durrant.co.uk> No idea if it was a real Paypal message. But most likely it was a fishing spam trying to get your login details. regards, Paul On 12 Dec 2009, at 10:09, Martin Fry wrote: > Paypal has just done the following: > > "returned your account to regular standing". > > Does anyone know what this means please From h.tamplin at btinternet.com Sat Dec 12 14:45:42 2009 From: h.tamplin at btinternet.com (Heather Tamplin) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:45:42 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] MacBook one eBay - iMac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3CE260F2-ED42-41D4-AE12-DB32FD38318A@btinternet.com> that sounds interesting Nat will you let me know when and how much? Heather On 12 Dec 2009, at 13:37, nathan crosby wrote: > Andrew, it was the subject line that caused the confusion. > > I may have a 24 inch iMac for sale. But it will not be till after > christmas > > Nathan > > > On 12 Dec 2009, at 12:26, Andrew Forde wrote: > >> No. I thought from your message that you have an iMac for sale. That >> is what is was asking about. Did I misunderstand? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ >> listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug Heather Tamplin www.heathertamplin.co.uk "Art is the only way to run away without leaving home." Twyla Tharp From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Sat Dec 12 16:07:38 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby) Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 16:07:38 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] MacBook one eBay - iMac In-Reply-To: <3CE260F2-ED42-41D4-AE12-DB32FD38318A@btinternet.com> References: <3CE260F2-ED42-41D4-AE12-DB32FD38318A@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <74F39634-D447-4D04-B3F9-70D810D64143@virgin.net> Will do Heather regards Nat On 12 Dec 2009, at 14:45, Heather Tamplin wrote: > that sounds interesting Nat > will you let me know when and how much? > > Heather > > > > > On 12 Dec 2009, at 13:37, nathan crosby wrote: > >> Andrew, it was the subject line that caused the confusion. >> >> I may have a 24 inch iMac for sale. But it will not be till after >> christmas >> >> Nathan >> >> >> On 12 Dec 2009, at 12:26, Andrew Forde wrote: >> >>> No. I thought from your message that you have an iMac for sale. That >>> is what is was asking about. Did I misunderstand? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ >>> listinfo/nmug >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ >> listinfo/nmug > > Heather Tamplin > > www.heathertamplin.co.uk > > "Art is the only way to run away without leaving home." > Twyla Tharp > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Mon Dec 14 17:57:36 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:57:36 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Macbook (2.0GHz Late 2006) for sale In-Reply-To: <381F0562-AF3B-416C-8CED-1C315C3D18D9@durrant.co.uk> References: <381F0562-AF3B-416C-8CED-1C315C3D18D9@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <388ED587-F59C-4192-8E72-72A9F93B12DB@durrant.co.uk> Well, it went up on eBay. And sold for ?510! Of course, courier, eBay and Paypal fees need to come out of that. But I should still clear well over ?450. I'm mentioning it for two reasons (i) To show that my asking price wasn't unreasonable. :-) (ii) To emphasise what a good deal those refurbished 2.13GHz MacBooks were at the online Apple Store at ?579. After all - some more of those refurbished models might come in. I also sold a dead Mac Mini for over ?60, and a faulty iBook for over ?80. Not too bad for an office clearout! regards, Paul On 3 Dec 2009, at 12:44, Paul Durrant wrote: > I will shortly have a MacBook for sale for a friend. [...] > > It's a 13" White Late 2006 model. [...] > If there are no takers, I'll eBay it, but I'd rather sell locally - I > can deliver to anywhere in Norwich, or it can be picked up. > > Price: ?450 (no VAT) From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Mon Dec 14 18:58:50 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:58:50 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Macbook (2.0GHz Late 2006) for sale In-Reply-To: <388ED587-F59C-4192-8E72-72A9F93B12DB@durrant.co.uk> References: <381F0562-AF3B-416C-8CED-1C315C3D18D9@durrant.co.uk> <388ED587-F59C-4192-8E72-72A9F93B12DB@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: Blimey, I shall have to revaluate what I ask for my 24in iMac Nathan On 14 Dec 2009, at 17:57, Paul Durrant wrote: > Well, it went up on eBay. And sold for ?510! Of course, courier, eBay > and Paypal fees need to come out of that. But I should still clear > well over ?450. > > I'm mentioning it for two reasons > > (i) To show that my asking price wasn't unreasonable. :-) > (ii) To emphasise what a good deal those refurbished 2.13GHz MacBooks > were at the online Apple Store at ?579. After all - some more of those > refurbished models might come in. > > I also sold a dead Mac Mini for over ?60, and a faulty iBook for over > ?80. Not too bad for an office clearout! > > regards, > > Paul > > > On 3 Dec 2009, at 12:44, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> I will shortly have a MacBook for sale for a friend. > [...] >> >> It's a 13" White Late 2006 model. > [...] >> If there are no takers, I'll eBay it, but I'd rather sell locally - I >> can deliver to anywhere in Norwich, or it can be picked up. >> >> Price: ?450 (no VAT) > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From h.tamplin at btinternet.com Mon Dec 14 19:06:31 2009 From: h.tamplin at btinternet.com (Heather Tamplin) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:06:31 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Macbook (2.0GHz Late 2006) for sale In-Reply-To: References: <381F0562-AF3B-416C-8CED-1C315C3D18D9@durrant.co.uk> <388ED587-F59C-4192-8E72-72A9F93B12DB@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <611872B8-3C88-4C5C-BEA3-6E626B0BA8E3@btinternet.com> blast! On 14 Dec 2009, at 18:58, nathan crosby wrote: > Blimey, I shall have to revaluate what I ask for my 24in iMac > > Nathan > > > > On 14 Dec 2009, at 17:57, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> Well, it went up on eBay. And sold for ?510! Of course, courier, eBay >> and Paypal fees need to come out of that. But I should still clear >> well over ?450. >> >> I'm mentioning it for two reasons >> >> (i) To show that my asking price wasn't unreasonable. :-) >> (ii) To emphasise what a good deal those refurbished 2.13GHz MacBooks >> were at the online Apple Store at ?579. After all - some more of >> those >> refurbished models might come in. >> >> I also sold a dead Mac Mini for over ?60, and a faulty iBook for over >> ?80. Not too bad for an office clearout! >> >> regards, >> >> Paul >> >> >> On 3 Dec 2009, at 12:44, Paul Durrant wrote: >> >>> I will shortly have a MacBook for sale for a friend. >> [...] >>> >>> It's a 13" White Late 2006 model. >> [...] >>> If there are no takers, I'll eBay it, but I'd rather sell locally >>> - I >>> can deliver to anywhere in Norwich, or it can be picked up. >>> >>> Price: ?450 (no VAT) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ >> listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug Heather Tamplin www.heathertamplin.co.uk "Art is the only way to run away without leaving home." Twyla Tharp From macman at f2s.com Mon Dec 14 19:15:01 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:15:01 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Macbook (2.0GHz Late 2006) for sale In-Reply-To: <388ED587-F59C-4192-8E72-72A9F93B12DB@durrant.co.uk> References: <381F0562-AF3B-416C-8CED-1C315C3D18D9@durrant.co.uk> <388ED587-F59C-4192-8E72-72A9F93B12DB@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <921D688A-68CC-4814-BCDA-7EE8632AE4F5@f2s.com> So, no regrets for having rejected the ?100 'buy it now' offer? Robbie On 14 Dec 2009, at 17:57, Paul Durrant wrote: Well, it went up on eBay. And sold for ?510! Of course, courier, eBay and Paypal fees need to come out of that. But I should still clear well over ?450. I'm mentioning it for two reasons (i) To show that my asking price wasn't unreasonable. :-) (ii) To emphasise what a good deal those refurbished 2.13GHz MacBooks were at the online Apple Store at ?579. After all - some more of those refurbished models might come in. I also sold a dead Mac Mini for over ?60, and a faulty iBook for over ?80. Not too bad for an office clearout! regards, Paul From paul at durrant.co.uk Mon Dec 14 20:31:59 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:31:59 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Macbook (2.0GHz Late 2006) for sale In-Reply-To: References: <381F0562-AF3B-416C-8CED-1C315C3D18D9@durrant.co.uk> <388ED587-F59C-4192-8E72-72A9F93B12DB@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: It's always worth looking at completed auctions on eBay to estimate current values. Of course, you should knock something off for it being a local transaction, which removes some of the risks involved in an almost anonymous eBay/PayPal transaction. For instance, my winner is a complete eBay newbie. Yes - zero feedback, and only recently joined. Hopefully it'll all go smoothly, but I'm certainly not posting until I've got the money, and a confirmed (by PayPal) address! regards, Paul On 14 Dec 2009, at 18:58, nathan crosby wrote: > Blimey, I shall have to revaluate what I ask for my 24in iMac > > Nathan > > > > On 14 Dec 2009, at 17:57, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> Well, it went up on eBay. And sold for ?510! Of course, courier, eBay >> and Paypal fees need to come out of that. But I should still clear >> well over ?450. >> >> I'm mentioning it for two reasons >> >> (i) To show that my asking price wasn't unreasonable. :-) >> (ii) To emphasise what a good deal those refurbished 2.13GHz MacBooks >> were at the online Apple Store at ?579. After all - some more of >> those >> refurbished models might come in. >> >> I also sold a dead Mac Mini for over ?60, and a faulty iBook for over >> ?80. Not too bad for an office clearout! >> >> regards, >> >> Paul >> >> >> On 3 Dec 2009, at 12:44, Paul Durrant wrote: >> >>> I will shortly have a MacBook for sale for a friend. >> [...] >>> >>> It's a 13" White Late 2006 model. >> [...] >>> If there are no takers, I'll eBay it, but I'd rather sell locally >>> - I >>> can deliver to anywhere in Norwich, or it can be picked up. >>> >>> Price: ?450 (no VAT) >> From paul at durrant.co.uk Mon Dec 14 20:46:56 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:46:56 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Sending Parcels In-Reply-To: <251D9D15-04CD-4B11-8669-4D253CD7342B@btinternet.com> References: <750C7F0E-472A-4506-9E43-4410356B53B0@mac.com> <251D9D15-04CD-4B11-8669-4D253CD7342B@btinternet.com> Message-ID: It's been a couple of years since they were briefly mentioned on NMUG, so it's probably time to plug them again. I've recently been using http://parcel2go.com/ for sending out parcels. You just enter the package details, choose the service, and print out the label. (Well, and pay, of course!). They then come to your door to pick up the parcel. No fuss, no hassle, and really good prices. For example, the 2.5kg of broken Mac mini I'm posting would cost ?6.85 by Royal Mail Parcels, and ?20.70(!) by Special Delivery. With Parcels2Go it's costing ?7.46, they're picking it up from my house, and they have parcel tracking. Highly recommended. And their web site works well with Safari. (Quick bit of compulsory Mac-specific info!) regards, Paul From munkt0n at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 21:52:06 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 21:52:06 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] new hard disk Message-ID: I've ordered a new hard disk for my out of warranty macbook pro, the new drive is 500GB replacing the 120GB that came installed. I want to backup the current drive to another external drive, then copy the backup across to the new 500GB disk. I have made a bootable backup of my current system using superduper. My plan is to undo lots of screws and install the new drive, boot from the backup, run disk utility to format the new drive, copy the backup across to the new drive using superduper Is this the best course of action? Have I missed something important, or does anyone have any other suggestions? Thanks, Scott From paul at durrant.co.uk Mon Dec 14 22:04:14 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:04:14 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] new hard disk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <902A287B-83BD-4AB5-A6D7-6FDABB795F06@durrant.co.uk> That sounds like a good plan to me. Paul On 14 Dec 2009, at 21:52, Scott Matthews wrote: > I've ordered a new hard disk for my out of warranty macbook pro, the > new drive is 500GB replacing the 120GB that came installed. > I want to backup the current drive to another external drive, then > copy the backup across to the new 500GB disk. > > I have made a bootable backup of my current system using superduper. > My plan is to > undo lots of screws and install the new drive, > boot from the backup, > run disk utility to format the new drive, > copy the backup across to the new drive using superduper > > Is this the best course of action? Have I missed something important, > or does anyone have any other suggestions? From macman at f2s.com Mon Dec 14 22:11:15 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:11:15 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] new hard disk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3754FF7F-814B-495A-9363-838FCB3028F9@f2s.com> I seem to remember that it's advisable, even when the whole drive is to be used in its entirety, still to partition to 1 Partition, and in the options it should be set to "GUID Partition Table' for Intel based machines. ... but please don't ask me what that means! Hopefully someone will explain. Robbie On 14 Dec 2009, at 21:52, Scott Matthews wrote: I've ordered a new hard disk for my out of warranty macbook pro, the new drive is 500GB replacing the 120GB that came installed. I want to backup the current drive to another external drive, then copy the backup across to the new 500GB disk. I have made a bootable backup of my current system using superduper. My plan is to undo lots of screws and install the new drive, boot from the backup, run disk utility to format the new drive, copy the backup across to the new drive using superduper Is this the best course of action? Have I missed something important, or does anyone have any other suggestions? Thanks, Scott _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From munkt0n at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 22:22:19 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:22:19 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] new hard disk In-Reply-To: <3754FF7F-814B-495A-9363-838FCB3028F9@f2s.com> References: <3754FF7F-814B-495A-9363-838FCB3028F9@f2s.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the replies. I'm pretty sure superduper makes the drive bootable after performing the backup, but I'll make sure I do the GUID Partition first. On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Robbie Murray wrote: > I seem to remember that it's advisable, even when the whole drive is > to be used in its entirety, still to partition to 1 Partition, and in > the options it should be set to "GUID Partition Table' for Intel based > machines. > > ... ?but please don't ask me what that means! > > Hopefully someone will explain. > > Robbie > > On 14 Dec 2009, at 21:52, Scott Matthews wrote: > > I've ordered a new hard disk for my out of warranty macbook pro, the > new drive is 500GB replacing the 120GB that came installed. > I want to backup the current drive to another external drive, then > copy the backup across to the new 500GB disk. > > I have made a bootable backup of my current system using superduper. > My plan is to > undo lots of screws and install the new drive, > boot from the backup, > run disk utility to format the new drive, > copy the backup across to the new drive using superduper > > Is this the best course of action? Have I missed something important, > or does anyone have any other suggestions? > > Thanks, > Scott > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- :wq From alanbarber at mac.com Tue Dec 15 08:30:05 2009 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:30:05 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Sending Parcels In-Reply-To: References: <750C7F0E-472A-4506-9E43-4410356B53B0@mac.com> <251D9D15-04CD-4B11-8669-4D253CD7342B@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Sounds excellent I have to correct you on prices though (according to current website prices) Standard parcel is now ?7.06 with ?39 compensation Special delivery is ?21.65 but has ?500 compensation. Do parcels2go give you a time for collection or due you have to wait in? Regards Alan On 14 Dec 2009, at 20:46, Paul Durrant wrote: > It's been a couple of years since they were briefly mentioned on NMUG, > so it's probably time to plug them again. > > I've recently been using http://parcel2go.com/ for sending out > parcels. You just enter the package details, choose the service, and > print out the label. (Well, and pay, of course!). > > They then come to your door to pick up the parcel. No fuss, no hassle, > and really good prices. > > For example, the 2.5kg of broken Mac mini I'm posting would cost ?6.85 > by Royal Mail Parcels, and ?20.70(!) by Special Delivery. > > With Parcels2Go it's costing ?7.46, they're picking it up from my > house, and they have parcel tracking. > > Highly recommended. And their web site works well with Safari. (Quick > bit of compulsory Mac-specific info!) > > regards, > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Tue Dec 15 09:15:09 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:15:09 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Sending Parcels In-Reply-To: References: <750C7F0E-472A-4506-9E43-4410356B53B0@mac.com> <251D9D15-04CD-4B11-8669-4D253CD7342B@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <274BE46A-9B83-414A-9D15-4221B468C0A0@durrant.co.uk> Hmm... my wall poster must be out of date! You can get timed collection from parcels2go, for more money, otherwise you have to wait in. As I work from home that's not a problem for me. It might be for others, of course, so worth mentioning. And you're also right to mention the insurance - the parcels2go price I mentioned only included ?50 insurance, although more can be bought. regards, Paul On 15 Dec 2009, at 08:30, Alan Barber wrote: > Sounds excellent > I have to correct you on prices though (according to current website > prices) > Standard parcel is now ?7.06 with ?39 compensation > Special delivery is ?21.65 but has ?500 compensation. > > Do parcels2go give you a time for collection or due you have to wait > in? > > On 14 Dec 2009, at 20:46, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> It's been a couple of years since they were briefly mentioned on >> NMUG, >> so it's probably time to plug them again. >> >> I've recently been using http://parcel2go.com/ for sending out >> parcels. You just enter the package details, choose the service, and >> print out the label. (Well, and pay, of course!). >> >> They then come to your door to pick up the parcel. No fuss, no >> hassle, >> and really good prices. >> >> For example, the 2.5kg of broken Mac mini I'm posting would cost >> ?6.85 >> by Royal Mail Parcels, and ?20.70(!) by Special Delivery. >> >> With Parcels2Go it's costing ?7.46, they're picking it up from my >> house, and they have parcel tracking. >> >> Highly recommended. And their web site works well with Safari. (Quick >> bit of compulsory Mac-specific info!) From paul at durrant.co.uk Tue Dec 15 10:44:41 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:44:41 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Macbook (2.0GHz Late 2006) for sale In-Reply-To: <388ED587-F59C-4192-8E72-72A9F93B12DB@durrant.co.uk> References: <381F0562-AF3B-416C-8CED-1C315C3D18D9@durrant.co.uk> <388ED587-F59C-4192-8E72-72A9F93B12DB@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <240E0C94-D997-4D7B-9F53-40730EB83056@durrant.co.uk> Sigh.. Most of the bidders were genuine (including one up to ?500), but the winning bidder is a crude fraudster*. Sigh. Now to sort out the mess. This is why I'd have preferred a local sale! Paul *Hasn't paid. Asked me to contact him by email about the payment. And I've just received a faked 'PayPal' message purporting to be about a payment of ?630 that will be released as soon as they receive tracking data. The cheek - not only is he trying to get me to send the computer without paying, he's also going to try to persuade me to 'refund' him the ?120 'overpayment'! On 14 Dec 2009, at 17:57, Paul Durrant wrote: > Well, it went up on eBay. And sold for ?510! Of course, courier, eBay > and Paypal fees need to come out of that. But I should still clear > well over ?450. From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com Tue Dec 15 10:49:04 2009 From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:49:04 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Macbook (2.0GHz Late 2006) for sale In-Reply-To: <240E0C94-D997-4D7B-9F53-40730EB83056@durrant.co.uk> References: <381F0562-AF3B-416C-8CED-1C315C3D18D9@durrant.co.uk> <388ED587-F59C-4192-8E72-72A9F93B12DB@durrant.co.uk> <240E0C94-D997-4D7B-9F53-40730EB83056@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <5E75EEC8-A506-4307-A125-09B34B2F1320@ruthmurray.f2s.com> That's dreadful Paul, and most disheartening. I hope the genuine PayPal will help, but one shouldn't have to clear up the mess. B***ards! Ruth On 15 Dec 2009, at 10:44, Paul Durrant wrote: > Sigh.. Most of the bidders were genuine (including one up to ?500), > but the winning bidder is a crude fraudster*. Sigh. Now to sort out > the mess. > > This is why I'd have preferred a local sale! > > Paul > > *Hasn't paid. Asked me to contact him by email about the payment. And > I've just received a faked 'PayPal' message purporting to be about a > payment of ?630 that will be released as soon as they receive tracking > data. The cheek - not only is he trying to get me to send the computer > without paying, he's also going to try to persuade me to 'refund' him > the ?120 'overpayment'! > > On 14 Dec 2009, at 17:57, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> Well, it went up on eBay. And sold for ?510! Of course, courier, eBay >> and Paypal fees need to come out of that. But I should still clear >> well over ?450. > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug > Ruth Murray ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com Ruth Murray Graphic Design and Illustration 01603 632334 Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net From paul at durrant.co.uk Tue Dec 15 11:08:27 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:08:27 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Macbook (2.0GHz Late 2006) for sale In-Reply-To: <5E75EEC8-A506-4307-A125-09B34B2F1320@ruthmurray.f2s.com> References: <381F0562-AF3B-416C-8CED-1C315C3D18D9@durrant.co.uk> <388ED587-F59C-4192-8E72-72A9F93B12DB@durrant.co.uk> <240E0C94-D997-4D7B-9F53-40730EB83056@durrant.co.uk> <5E75EEC8-A506-4307-A125-09B34B2F1320@ruthmurray.f2s.com> Message-ID: Paypal won't help with this as they have no involvemen yet - it's just a fake email. Hopefully eBay will help in sorting it out. At the moment he doesn't realise I'm onto him, and is still asking me to send the package. Oddly, the address he's set in eBay is invalid, so I'm a bit puzzled as to how he expects to get the package. I've now pointed that out and asked for a valid address. If he gives one, I'll contact the local police near him. Paul On 15 Dec 2009, at 10:49, Ruth Murray wrote: > That's dreadful Paul, and most disheartening. > > I hope the genuine PayPal will help, but one shouldn't have to clear > up the mess. B***ards! > > Ruth > > > On 15 Dec 2009, at 10:44, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> Sigh.. Most of the bidders were genuine (including one up to ?500), >> but the winning bidder is a crude fraudster*. Sigh. Now to sort out >> the mess. >> >> This is why I'd have preferred a local sale! >> >> Paul >> >> *Hasn't paid. Asked me to contact him by email about the payment. And >> I've just received a faked 'PayPal' message purporting to be about a >> payment of ?630 that will be released as soon as they receive >> tracking >> data. The cheek - not only is he trying to get me to send the >> computer >> without paying, he's also going to try to persuade me to 'refund' him >> the ?120 'overpayment'! >> >> On 14 Dec 2009, at 17:57, Paul Durrant wrote: >> >>> Well, it went up on eBay. And sold for ?510! Of course, courier, >>> eBay >>> and Paypal fees need to come out of that. But I should still clear >>> well over ?450. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ >> listinfo/nmug >> > > Ruth Murray > ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com > > Ruth Murray > Graphic Design and Illustration > 01603 632334 > > Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From alanbarber at mac.com Tue Dec 15 11:16:02 2009 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 11:16:02 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Macbook (2.0GHz Late 2006) for sale In-Reply-To: References: <381F0562-AF3B-416C-8CED-1C315C3D18D9@durrant.co.uk> <388ED587-F59C-4192-8E72-72A9F93B12DB@durrant.co.uk> <240E0C94-D997-4D7B-9F53-40730EB83056@durrant.co.uk> <5E75EEC8-A506-4307-A125-09B34B2F1320@ruthmurray.f2s.com> Message-ID: I have found that ebays disputes section is now very good and have been refunded fees very promptly from both fraudsters and those who have just changed their minds. I wish negative feedback could still be left for customers not just sellers. Regards Alan On 15 Dec 2009, at 11:08, Paul Durrant wrote: > Paypal won't help with this as they have no involvemen yet - it's just > a fake email. Hopefully eBay will help in sorting it out. > > At the moment he doesn't realise I'm onto him, and is still asking me > to send the package. Oddly, the address he's set in eBay is invalid, > so I'm a bit puzzled as to how he expects to get the package. I've now > pointed that out and asked for a valid address. If he gives one, I'll > contact the local police near him. > > Paul > > On 15 Dec 2009, at 10:49, Ruth Murray wrote: > >> That's dreadful Paul, and most disheartening. >> >> I hope the genuine PayPal will help, but one shouldn't have to clear >> up the mess. B***ards! >> >> Ruth >> >> >> On 15 Dec 2009, at 10:44, Paul Durrant wrote: >> >>> Sigh.. Most of the bidders were genuine (including one up to ?500), >>> but the winning bidder is a crude fraudster*. Sigh. Now to sort out >>> the mess. >>> >>> This is why I'd have preferred a local sale! >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> *Hasn't paid. Asked me to contact him by email about the payment. >>> And >>> I've just received a faked 'PayPal' message purporting to be about a >>> payment of ?630 that will be released as soon as they receive >>> tracking >>> data. The cheek - not only is he trying to get me to send the >>> computer >>> without paying, he's also going to try to persuade me to 'refund' >>> him >>> the ?120 'overpayment'! >>> >>> On 14 Dec 2009, at 17:57, Paul Durrant wrote: >>> >>>> Well, it went up on eBay. And sold for ?510! Of course, courier, >>>> eBay >>>> and Paypal fees need to come out of that. But I should still clear >>>> well over ?450. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ >>> listinfo/nmug >>> >> >> Ruth Murray >> ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com >> >> Ruth Murray >> Graphic Design and Illustration >> 01603 632334 >> >> Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Tue Dec 15 12:15:04 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:15:04 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Macbook (2.0GHz Late 2006) for sale In-Reply-To: References: <381F0562-AF3B-416C-8CED-1C315C3D18D9@durrant.co.uk> <388ED587-F59C-4192-8E72-72A9F93B12DB@durrant.co.uk> <240E0C94-D997-4D7B-9F53-40730EB83056@durrant.co.uk> <5E75EEC8-A506-4307-A125-09B34B2F1320@ruthmurray.f2s.com> Message-ID: <58FAA078-9CB0-44C3-ABE5-2C51A2F98D3E@f2s.com> Sorry to hear, Paul - I suppose you can always re-list? FYI, as a mail order supplier, we have had the occasional fraud, and now know that it has to be reported in the first instance to our local constabulary, who then pass it on to the relevant police force, but if no goods were actually shipped, they may consider it that no crime has taken place. Even when we were ripped off and conned twice in 2 days by delivering to what turned out to be an empty house in London by villains using a stolen cheque book, the Met couldn't be bothered to do anything about it . I had a strange eBay experience recently when I bid for a refurb ibLik internet radio, direct from REVO, the manufacturer, but was beaten at the last minute - I stood down at ?70.00 and it went for ?75.00. I then discovered the exact same refurb from the manufacturer on Amazon for ?62.00, so ordered and saved myself ?8.00! The following day I had an email from eBay offering me another with a buy it now price of ?70.00, so it looks like they have them all the time, and have some arrangement with eBay to contact the unsuccessful bidders with a Buy It Now at their highest previous bid. Maybe eBay can contact the other, (hopefully genuine) bidders? I have to say, had I not found the cheaper one in the meantime, I would probably have taken them up on the offer, although I now see they have suddenly come down from ?125.00 to about ?70, new, from several suppliers. I'm quite happy with the refurb, though, as we have had so many Apple refurbs without any problem, and my personal view is that each has been bench tested in all respects, whereas with new models only a representative sample is pulled out for QC, so there will always be the possibility of the odd rogue slipping through the net. In case anyone is interested, I love it - 11,00 radio stations from the wi-fi network (easily programmable via a Mac interface) and a great iPod dock, with full control via the remote. Not perfect - a bit quirky on the alarm & sleep settings, and would benefit from stereo speakers and an equaliser, but all in all, rather a nice bit of kit. Robbie On 15 Dec 2009, at 11:08, Paul Durrant wrote: Paypal won't help with this as they have no involvemen yet - it's just a fake email. Hopefully eBay will help in sorting it out. At the moment he doesn't realise I'm onto him, and is still asking me to send the package. Oddly, the address he's set in eBay is invalid, so I'm a bit puzzled as to how he expects to get the package. I've now pointed that out and asked for a valid address. If he gives one, I'll contact the local police near him. Paul On 15 Dec 2009, at 10:49, Ruth Murray wrote: > That's dreadful Paul, and most disheartening. > > I hope the genuine PayPal will help, but one shouldn't have to clear > up the mess. B***ards! > > Ruth > > > On 15 Dec 2009, at 10:44, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> Sigh.. Most of the bidders were genuine (including one up to ?500), >> but the winning bidder is a crude fraudster*. Sigh. Now to sort out >> the mess. >> >> This is why I'd have preferred a local sale! >> >> Paul >> >> *Hasn't paid. Asked me to contact him by email about the payment. And >> I've just received a faked 'PayPal' message purporting to be about a >> payment of ?630 that will be released as soon as they receive >> tracking >> data. The cheek - not only is he trying to get me to send the >> computer >> without paying, he's also going to try to persuade me to 'refund' him >> the ?120 'overpayment'! >> >> On 14 Dec 2009, at 17:57, Paul Durrant wrote: >> >>> Well, it went up on eBay. And sold for ?510! Of course, courier, >>> eBay >>> and Paypal fees need to come out of that. But I should still clear >>> well over ?450. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ >> listinfo/nmug >> > > Ruth Murray > ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com > > Ruth Murray > Graphic Design and Illustration > 01603 632334 > > Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Tue Dec 15 12:36:02 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:36:02 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Macbook (2.0GHz Late 2006) for sale In-Reply-To: References: <381F0562-AF3B-416C-8CED-1C315C3D18D9@durrant.co.uk> <388ED587-F59C-4192-8E72-72A9F93B12DB@durrant.co.uk> <240E0C94-D997-4D7B-9F53-40730EB83056@durrant.co.uk> <5E75EEC8-A506-4307-A125-09B34B2F1320@ruthmurray.f2s.com> Message-ID: <514324D9-755E-43D3-8C94-49A105B3DA57@durrant.co.uk> And indeed, the final sale fee has now been refunded. It looks like it was a hijacked account. Now relisted. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150397966566#ht_7283wt_1167 (Well, listed anew, since I took the opportunity to improve the listing a bit.) Paul On 15 Dec 2009, at 11:16, Alan Barber wrote: > I have found that ebays disputes section is now very good and have > been refunded fees very promptly > from both fraudsters and those who have just changed their minds. > I wish negative feedback could still be left for customers not just > sellers. From munkt0n at gmail.com Wed Dec 16 08:51:45 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:51:45 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] new hard disk In-Reply-To: References: <3754FF7F-814B-495A-9363-838FCB3028F9@f2s.com> Message-ID: all done! it was pretty scary cracking open the case, and I had to 'unglue' a ribbon cable from the old drive. once the new drive was in I used superduper to restore my backup and now everything is working fine. On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Scott Matthews wrote: > Thanks for the replies. > > I'm pretty sure superduper makes the drive bootable after performing > the backup, but I'll make sure I do the GUID Partition first. > > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Robbie Murray wrote: >> I seem to remember that it's advisable, even when the whole drive is >> to be used in its entirety, still to partition to 1 Partition, and in >> the options it should be set to "GUID Partition Table' for Intel based >> machines. >> >> ... ?but please don't ask me what that means! >> >> Hopefully someone will explain. >> >> Robbie >> >> On 14 Dec 2009, at 21:52, Scott Matthews wrote: >> >> I've ordered a new hard disk for my out of warranty macbook pro, the >> new drive is 500GB replacing the 120GB that came installed. >> I want to backup the current drive to another external drive, then >> copy the backup across to the new 500GB disk. >> >> I have made a bootable backup of my current system using superduper. >> My plan is to >> undo lots of screws and install the new drive, >> boot from the backup, >> run disk utility to format the new drive, >> copy the backup across to the new drive using superduper >> >> Is this the best course of action? Have I missed something important, >> or does anyone have any other suggestions? >> >> Thanks, >> Scott >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > > > > -- > :wq > -- :wq From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Wed Dec 16 09:22:46 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:22:46 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] new hard disk In-Reply-To: References: <3754FF7F-814B-495A-9363-838FCB3028F9@f2s.com> Message-ID: <613A231A-DFB1-4369-82D0-BDECCC9C21FF@virgin.net> Well done Scott You've got my courage than I have Nathan On 16 Dec 2009, at 08:51, Scott Matthews wrote: > all done! it was pretty scary cracking open the case, and I had to > 'unglue' a ribbon cable from the old drive. > once the new drive was in I used superduper to restore my backup and > now everything is working fine. > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Scott Matthews > wrote: >> Thanks for the replies. >> >> I'm pretty sure superduper makes the drive bootable after performing >> the backup, but I'll make sure I do the GUID Partition first. >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Robbie Murray >> wrote: >>> I seem to remember that it's advisable, even when the whole drive is >>> to be used in its entirety, still to partition to 1 Partition, and >>> in >>> the options it should be set to "GUID Partition Table' for Intel >>> based >>> machines. >>> >>> ... but please don't ask me what that means! >>> >>> Hopefully someone will explain. >>> >>> Robbie >>> >>> On 14 Dec 2009, at 21:52, Scott Matthews wrote: >>> >>> I've ordered a new hard disk for my out of warranty macbook pro, the >>> new drive is 500GB replacing the 120GB that came installed. >>> I want to backup the current drive to another external drive, then >>> copy the backup across to the new 500GB disk. >>> >>> I have made a bootable backup of my current system using superduper. >>> My plan is to >>> undo lots of screws and install the new drive, >>> boot from the backup, >>> run disk utility to format the new drive, >>> copy the backup across to the new drive using superduper >>> >>> Is this the best course of action? Have I missed something >>> important, >>> or does anyone have any other suggestions? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Scott >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >>> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> :wq >> > > > > -- > :wq > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk Wed Dec 16 10:49:24 2009 From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 10:49:24 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Putting LP on CD In-Reply-To: References: <8F1F036B-22F6-4990-9495-40677F187F26@mac.com> <2CA7F50B-8229-4CDD-A8F6-0B9961EE2A5E@themagic.me.uk> Message-ID: <5119D35B-15A9-454E-BD7B-C23220ABD986@themagic.me.uk> Hello Kelvin Just collected it. Will be my "Christmas plaything!" Thanks Anthony On 4 Dec 2009, at 01:03, Kelvin Youngs wrote: > Hi Anthony we have no problem with you borrowing it from Hugh. > > Just contact him direct (turrethouse at talktalk.net) and if any other > NMUG member would also like to try it out then just let us know and > as long as you look after and return the equipment that will be just > fine. > (As long as you all sign our website guestbook and say just how > great our website is though!) > On 1 Dec 2009, at 10:32, Anthony Brahams wrote: > >> If still available I'd like to borrrow it, Barry, please, to try it >> out prior to possibly buying one on behalf of my brother. Hugh do you >> have it? >> >> Thanks >> >> Anthony > Kelvin > http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From andrew at acetuk.com Wed Dec 16 13:19:14 2009 From: andrew at acetuk.com (Andrew Forde) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 13:19:14 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] new hard disk Message-ID: <1D67156C-4DC8-4DF6-9B1B-71E438D89E59@acetuk.com> Yes, well done. The first time upgrades like this are done it can be a bit scary. However laptops and desktops are built so well these days that upgrades tend to be quite obvious once you start. Sorry I missed the comments earlier. The only thing I would have added (and it may have been said already so sorry if I am duplicating) is to check that you can boot from the back up drive and everything is working as required before making the update. Another option is to pull the original drive, put in an an external caddy, put the new drive in the laptop / desktop, boot from the external drive and use superduper to copy the original data over to the new drive. This is quicker if everything goes to plan but you do have the worry of only having one copy of the data on the one original drive which could get damaged in the process (dropped etc). Anyway, great work. From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Wed Dec 16 14:23:05 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:23:05 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: Martin Fry Website Photo Enquiry Form References: <20091216140248.5615.qmail@mig.hcoms.co.uk> Message-ID: <9FD64603-611F-47D3-A209-DA5C7672AF77@virgin.net> I have forwarded a junk email to show you all. Sometimes I get several hundred of these come in together through my website! Of course I never click on them although I sometime get curious as to what they get out of it. Martin Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com > Photo: 17,025-Kittens.jpg > > Name: hildoqijm > > Tele: 28773072509 > > Fax: 26799008849 > > Email: jpklfe at zjjtqc.com > > xgvAuS qcjunapowvyn, [url=http://vsbiccgrfmfm.com/ > ]vsbiccgrfmfm[/url], [link=http://wyhznsbuxcnd.com/]wyhznsbuxcnd[/ > link],http://zqztbkcahxgv.com/ From david at vanedwards.co.uk Wed Dec 16 14:35:43 2009 From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:35:43 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: Martin Fry Website Photo Enquiry Form In-Reply-To: <9FD64603-611F-47D3-A209-DA5C7672AF77@virgin.net> References: <20091216140248.5615.qmail@mig.hcoms.co.uk> <9FD64603-611F-47D3-A209-DA5C7672AF77@virgin.net> Message-ID: Dear Martin, Have you encrypted your email address on your website? I use Enkoder http://hivelogic.com/enkoder/app which produces a Javascript link which looks normal to the visitor but appears like nonsense to the web crawlers which harvest addresses. It's cut my junk considerably. Best wishes,\ David >I have forwarded a junk email to show you all. > >Sometimes I get several hundred of these come in together through my >website! > >Of course I never click on them although I sometime get curious as to >what they get out of it. > >Martin > >Martin Fry >www.martinfryphotography.com > > > > > > >> Photo: 17,025-Kittens.jpg >> >> Name: hildoqijm >> >> Tele: 28773072509 >> >> Fax: 26799008849 >> >> Email: jpklfe at zjjtqc.com >> >> xgvAuS qcjunapowvyn, >>[url=http://vsbiccgrfmfm.com/ >> ]vsbiccgrfmfm[/url], [link=http://wyhznsbuxcnd.com/]wyhznsbuxcnd[/ >> link],http://zqztbkcahxgv.com/ > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Wed Dec 16 14:44:24 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:44:24 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Enkoder In-Reply-To: References: <20091216140248.5615.qmail@mig.hcoms.co.uk> <9FD64603-611F-47D3-A209-DA5C7672AF77@virgin.net> Message-ID: <2D3E4D59-0B6C-4D4B-B635-F3A9DE1B7749@virgin.net> Hi David I wouldn't know how to do that, I leave that to the experts. Maybe David Viner, my website expert would like to comment on this please! Regards Martin Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com > (Have you encrypted your email address on your website? > > I use Enkoder http://hivelogic.com/enkoder/app which produces a > Javascript link which looks normal to the visitor but appears like > nonsense to the web crawlers which harvest addresses. It's cut my > junk considerably.) From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Wed Dec 16 15:06:08 2009 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:06:08 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: Martin Fry Website Photo Enquiry Form In-Reply-To: <9FD64603-611F-47D3-A209-DA5C7672AF77@virgin.net> References: <20091216140248.5615.qmail@mig.hcoms.co.uk> <9FD64603-611F-47D3-A209-DA5C7672AF77@virgin.net> Message-ID: Hello Martin, Are you hoping that one of us will 'click on them'?! Ken On 16 Dec 2009, at 02:23 PM, Martin Fry wrote: > From macman at f2s.com Wed Dec 16 15:15:06 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:15:06 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: Martin Fry Website Photo Enquiry Form In-Reply-To: <9FD64603-611F-47D3-A209-DA5C7672AF77@virgin.net> References: <20091216140248.5615.qmail@mig.hcoms.co.uk> <9FD64603-611F-47D3-A209-DA5C7672AF77@virgin.net> Message-ID: <1A4183FA-6710-401A-BA0C-3CB32F38C1BC@f2s.com> Depends how stimulating your images are Martin! Robbie On 16 Dec 2009, at 14:23, Martin Fry wrote: I have forwarded a junk email to show you all. Sometimes I get several hundred of these come in together through my website! Of course I never click on them although I sometime get curious as to what they get out of it. Martin Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com > Photo: 17,025-Kittens.jpg > > Name: hildoqijm > > Tele: 28773072509 > > Fax: 26799008849 > > Email: jpklfe at zjjtqc.com > > xgvAuS qcjunapowvyn, [url=http://vsbiccgrfmfm.com/ > ]vsbiccgrfmfm[/url], [link=http://wyhznsbuxcnd.com/]wyhznsbuxcnd[/ > link],http://zqztbkcahxgv.com/ _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Wed Dec 16 15:25:15 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:25:15 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: Martin Fry Website Photo Enquiry Form In-Reply-To: <1A4183FA-6710-401A-BA0C-3CB32F38C1BC@f2s.com> References: <20091216140248.5615.qmail@mig.hcoms.co.uk> <9FD64603-611F-47D3-A209-DA5C7672AF77@virgin.net> <1A4183FA-6710-401A-BA0C-3CB32F38C1BC@f2s.com> Message-ID: Well Robbie that all depends on what turns you on....Lots of pussy---- cats on line or maybe it's teddy--bears I don't really need an answer to that! Good hunting Martin > Martin Fry > www.martinfryphotography.com > Depends how stimulating your images are Martin! > > > Robbie > > Sometimes I get several hundred of these come in together through my > website! > > Of course I never click on them although I sometime get curious as to > what they get out of it. > > Martin > > > > > > > >> Photo: 17,025-Kittens.jpg >> >> Name: hildoqijm >> >> Tele: 28773072509 >> >> Fax: 26799008849 >> >> Email: jpklfe at zjjtqc.com >> >> xgvAuS qcjunapowvyn, [url=http://vsbiccgrfmfm.com/ >> ]vsbiccgrfmfm[/url], [link=http://wyhznsbuxcnd.com/]wyhznsbuxcnd[/ >> link],http://zqztbkcahxgv.com/ > > > > From macman at f2s.com Wed Dec 16 15:32:14 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:32:14 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: Martin Fry Website Photo Enquiry Form In-Reply-To: References: <20091216140248.5615.qmail@mig.hcoms.co.uk> <9FD64603-611F-47D3-A209-DA5C7672AF77@virgin.net> <1A4183FA-6710-401A-BA0C-3CB32F38C1BC@f2s.com> Message-ID: <9C7A94F7-2F08-48E4-81D0-754A2F09F3FC@f2s.com> Sorry to disappoint, Martin, but I'm afraid I'm really boring - Macs, Steam, Technology, and The News Quiz etc .... :-( Robbie On 16 Dec 2009, at 15:25, Martin Fry wrote: Well Robbie that all depends on what turns you on....Lots of pussy---- cats on line or maybe it's teddy--bears I don't really need an answer to that! Good hunting Martin > Martin Fry > www.martinfryphotography.com > Depends how stimulating your images are Martin! > > > Robbie > > Sometimes I get several hundred of these come in together through my > website! > > Of course I never click on them although I sometime get curious as to > what they get out of it. > > Martin > > > > > > > >> Photo: 17,025-Kittens.jpg >> >> Name: hildoqijm >> >> Tele: 28773072509 >> >> Fax: 26799008849 >> >> Email: jpklfe at zjjtqc.com >> >> xgvAuS qcjunapowvyn, [url=http://vsbiccgrfmfm.com/ >> ]vsbiccgrfmfm[/url], [link=http://wyhznsbuxcnd.com/]wyhznsbuxcnd[/ >> link],http://zqztbkcahxgv.com/ > > > > _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From swimwire at googlemail.com Wed Dec 16 15:44:08 2009 From: swimwire at googlemail.com (Jack W-H) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:44:08 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: Martin Fry Website Photo Enquiry Form In-Reply-To: <9C7A94F7-2F08-48E4-81D0-754A2F09F3FC@f2s.com> References: <20091216140248.5615.qmail@mig.hcoms.co.uk> <9FD64603-611F-47D3-A209-DA5C7672AF77@virgin.net> <1A4183FA-6710-401A-BA0C-3CB32F38C1BC@f2s.com> <9C7A94F7-2F08-48E4-81D0-754A2F09F3FC@f2s.com> Message-ID: <588f87960912160744l3299e2e2ve63fda204ede48a2@mail.gmail.com> Martin, Get in touch with HCOMS about enabling a 'CAPTCHA' on your contact form. These messages aren't sent by people, but by spam-harvesting robots. A CAPTCHA (Completely Automated Public Turing Test to tell Computers and Humans Apart) is a code that you type in that's warped and distorted. Humans can recognise it, but computers can't, so in effect should stop the spam. Jack 2009/12/16 Robbie Murray > Sorry to disappoint, Martin, but I'm afraid I'm really boring - Macs, > Steam, Technology, and The News Quiz etc .... > > :-( > > > Robbie > > On 16 Dec 2009, at 15:25, Martin Fry wrote: > > > Well Robbie that all depends on what turns you on....Lots of pussy---- > cats on line or maybe it's teddy--bears > > I don't really need an answer to that! > > Good hunting > > Martin > > > Martin Fry > > www.martinfryphotography.com > > > > > Depends how stimulating your images are Martin! > > > > > > Robbie > > > > Sometimes I get several hundred of these come in together through my > > website! > > > > Of course I never click on them although I sometime get curious as to > > what they get out of it. > > > > Martin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Photo: 17,025-Kittens.jpg > >> > >> Name: hildoqijm > >> > >> Tele: 28773072509 > >> > >> Fax: 26799008849 > >> > >> Email: jpklfe at zjjtqc.com > >> > >> xgvAuS qcjunapowvyn, [url= > http://vsbiccgrfmfm.com/ > >> ]vsbiccgrfmfm[/url], [link=http://wyhznsbuxcnd.com/]wyhznsbuxcnd[/ > >> link],http://zqztbkcahxgv.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- Swimwire - Bringing Social Networks Together! - http://swimwire.com From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Wed Dec 16 15:51:48 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:51:48 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: Martin Fry Website Photo Enquiry Form In-Reply-To: <588f87960912160744l3299e2e2ve63fda204ede48a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <20091216140248.5615.qmail@mig.hcoms.co.uk> <9FD64603-611F-47D3-A209-DA5C7672AF77@virgin.net> <1A4183FA-6710-401A-BA0C-3CB32F38C1BC@f2s.com> <9C7A94F7-2F08-48E4-81D0-754A2F09F3FC@f2s.com> <588f87960912160744l3299e2e2ve63fda204ede48a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <51EF472C-397B-4C7F-8F90-97ACF156899E@virgin.net> Hi Jack I will ask David Viner to look into that but Never HCOMS as, from experience, they are the most useless company on earth! Regards Martin > > Get in touch with HCOMS about enabling a 'CAPTCHA' on your contact > form. > These messages aren't sent by people, but by spam-harvesting robots. A > CAPTCHA (Completely Automated Public Turing Test to tell Computers and > Humans Apart) is a code that you type in that's warped and > distorted. Humans > can recognise it, but computers can't, so in effect should stop the > spam. > > Jack > From swimwire at googlemail.com Wed Dec 16 15:54:13 2009 From: swimwire at googlemail.com (Jack W-H) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:54:13 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: Martin Fry Website Photo Enquiry Form In-Reply-To: <51EF472C-397B-4C7F-8F90-97ACF156899E@virgin.net> References: <20091216140248.5615.qmail@mig.hcoms.co.uk> <9FD64603-611F-47D3-A209-DA5C7672AF77@virgin.net> <1A4183FA-6710-401A-BA0C-3CB32F38C1BC@f2s.com> <9C7A94F7-2F08-48E4-81D0-754A2F09F3FC@f2s.com> <588f87960912160744l3299e2e2ve63fda204ede48a2@mail.gmail.com> <51EF472C-397B-4C7F-8F90-97ACF156899E@virgin.net> Message-ID: <588f87960912160754k54706880la53fd5c3522c813f@mail.gmail.com> Really? I did my work experience with them. I won't ask any further... :) Hope you get the problem sorted. I'd recommend http://recaptcha.net/ as it is really the 'industry standard' (Facebook and Google use it) and I've used it on my websites in the past, it's a doddle to set up. Jack 2009/12/16 Martin Fry > > Hi Jack > > I will ask David Viner to look into that but Never HCOMS as, from > experience, they are the most useless company on earth! > > Regards > > Martin > > > > > > > > Get in touch with HCOMS about enabling a 'CAPTCHA' on your contact > > form. > > These messages aren't sent by people, but by spam-harvesting robots. A > > CAPTCHA (Completely Automated Public Turing Test to tell Computers and > > Humans Apart) is a code that you type in that's warped and > > distorted. Humans > > can recognise it, but computers can't, so in effect should stop the > > spam. > > > > Jack > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- Swimwire - Bringing Social Networks Together! - http://swimwire.com From brian at clearlight.uk.net Wed Dec 16 17:26:04 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:26:04 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Recommend a mobile phone that is Mac friendly? Message-ID: My partner's old mobile has died. Have any members got a recommendation for replacement? (The iPhone overall costs are too high). Whilst I know a bit about Macs ? I know little about keeping up with the marketplace! Do all of them sync these days with Address book etc? all the best Brian From paul at durrant.co.uk Wed Dec 16 17:48:41 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:48:41 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Recommend a mobile phone that is Mac friendly? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There are third party tools to help some phones sync with Mac, but the list of Apple supported phones that sync can be found here: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2824 and third party info here: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2520 regards, Paul On 16 Dec 2009, at 17:26, Brian Steere wrote: > My partner's old mobile has died. > Have any members got a recommendation for replacement? > (The iPhone overall costs are too high). > > Whilst I know a bit about Macs ? I know little about keeping up with > the > marketplace! > > Do all of them sync these days with Address book etc? > > all the best > Brian > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > From mail at edmarlodge.co.uk Wed Dec 16 19:27:38 2009 From: mail at edmarlodge.co.uk (Raymond Paine) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:27:38 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Martin Fry Website Photo Enquiry Form Message-ID: Hi Martin, I also suffer from this type of spam where my Booking Form is used to send this rubbish. Like you it is a problem as I feel if I do not open the enquiry i could be missing a booking. One way round this problem is if possible change the form address. But they may pick it up again. BT my ISP tell me, they pick up the word "Form" in the address. I have trained my Junk box to recognise these spams. Ray From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Wed Dec 16 19:37:13 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:37:13 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Martin Fry Website Photo Enquiry Form In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Raymond I am pleased to say that David Viner has already sorted out the problem Regards Martin Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com > > I also suffer from this type of spam where my Booking Form > is used to send this rubbish. > Like you it is a problem as I feel if I do not open the enquiry > i could be missing a booking. > One way round this problem is if possible change the form address. > But they may pick it up again. BT my ISP tell me, they pick up the > word "Form" > in the address. > I have trained my Junk box to recognise these spams. From ricnev at mac.com Wed Dec 16 19:51:14 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:51:14 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Martin Fry Website Photo Enquiry Form In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <705F5FA7-5927-4235-9C66-1A74EB6E43EC@mac.com> How? On 16 Dec 2009, at 19:37, Martin Fry wrote: > > Hi Raymond > > I am pleased to say that David Viner has already sorted out the problem > > Regards > > Martin > > Martin Fry > www.martinfryphotography.com > > > > >> >> I also suffer from this type of spam where my Booking Form >> is used to send this rubbish. >> Like you it is a problem as I feel if I do not open the enquiry >> i could be missing a booking. >> One way round this problem is if possible change the form address. >> But they may pick it up again. BT my ISP tell me, they pick up the >> word "Form" >> in the address. >> I have trained my Junk box to recognise these spams. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Wed Dec 16 21:44:46 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:44:46 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Martin Fry Website Photo Enquiry Form In-Reply-To: <705F5FA7-5927-4235-9C66-1A74EB6E43EC@mac.com> References: <705F5FA7-5927-4235-9C66-1A74EB6E43EC@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Richard You will have to ask David Viner about that I don't want to give away any of his secrets but he has done his own version of recaptcha which is a lot more readable than others I have seen. You can see this in the contact us bit on my website. Regards Martin >> Martin Fry >> www.martinfryphotography.com > How? > > > On 16 Dec 2009, at 19:37, Martin Fry wrote: > >> >> Hi Raymond >> >> I am pleased to say that David Viner has already sorted out the >> problem >> >> Regards >> >> Martin >> >> >> >> From alanbarber at mac.com Thu Dec 17 08:33:56 2009 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:33:56 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] December meeting Message-ID: The usual room is available at the Quebec on Weds 23rd. Paul Chapman may not be able to attend so asked me to see if anyone is interested. let us know on list if you are going to attend to give us some idea if its worth it or not and if you think some some food or snacks are worth ordering Regards Alan From ricnev at mac.com Thu Dec 17 08:44:46 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 08:44:46 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] December meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I expect to be there, and I'm happy to celebrate with a mince pie! Richard On 17 Dec 2009, at 08:33, Alan Barber wrote: > The usual room is available at the Quebec on Weds 23rd. > > let us know on list if you are going to attend to give us some idea if > its worth it or not > and if you think some some food or snacks are worth ordering From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu Dec 17 09:00:07 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:00:07 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] December meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I hope to be there too. Not worried about food. Paul On 17 Dec 2009, at 08:44, Richard Nevill wrote: > I expect to be there, and I'm happy to celebrate with a mince pie! > > Richard > > > On 17 Dec 2009, at 08:33, Alan Barber wrote: > >> The usual room is available at the Quebec on Weds 23rd. >> >> let us know on list if you are going to attend to give us some idea >> if >> its worth it or not >> and if you think some some food or snacks are worth ordering From jill at 2js.org Thu Dec 17 09:12:04 2009 From: jill at 2js.org (Jill Searle) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:12:04 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iphone pay & Go Message-ID: <6F0BD7C9-E32D-48A7-9521-945BFC513B31@2js.org> Hi I bought an iphone on Pay & Go as 02 does not work in my area so I wanted to be free to change. Now choices are opening up & all of a sudden I am on a one year contract and o2 refuse to unlock my phone. The only mention I can find in the small print is "Twelve Months of included O2 Web & Wi-Fi Bolt On for new iPhone Pay & Go customers 1. This offer is only applicable to new and upgrading O2 Pay & Go customers who purchase an iPhone on Pay & Go from O2." Vodaphone has the best coverage in Broadland - Is there an answer to this? Jill Searle From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu Dec 17 09:14:48 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 09:14:48 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iphone pay & Go In-Reply-To: <6F0BD7C9-E32D-48A7-9521-945BFC513B31@2js.org> References: <6F0BD7C9-E32D-48A7-9521-945BFC513B31@2js.org> Message-ID: <8C45F839-E7F1-4F62-A1A1-EFC4724BEED4@durrant.co.uk> I don't think O2 have ever unlocked an iPhone in the UK. I don't have any suggestions - hopefully someone else knows more. Paul On 17 Dec 2009, at 09:12, Jill Searle wrote: > Hi > I bought an iphone on Pay & Go as 02 does not work in my area so I > wanted to be free to change. > Now choices are opening up & all of a sudden I am on a one year > contract and o2 refuse to unlock my phone. The only mention I can > find in the small print is > > "Twelve Months of included O2 Web & Wi-Fi Bolt On for new iPhone Pay > & Go customers > 1. This offer is only applicable to new and upgrading O2 Pay & Go > customers who purchase an iPhone on Pay & Go from O2." > > Vodaphone has the best coverage in Broadland - Is there an answer to > this? From munkt0n at gmail.com Thu Dec 17 10:00:50 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:00:50 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] December meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I will try and make this one, but I've been promising myself that for the last six months... On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Alan Barber wrote: > The usual room is available at the Quebec on Weds 23rd. > Paul Chapman may not be able to attend so asked me to see if anyone is > interested. > let us know on list if you are going to attend to give us some idea if > its worth it or not > and if you think some some food or snacks are worth ordering > > Regards > > Alan > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- :wq From andrew at acetuk.com Thu Dec 17 10:12:02 2009 From: andrew at acetuk.com (Andrew Forde) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:12:02 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] December meeting Message-ID: <2E58B6A1-8E4A-45A2-A042-B7C603499A4E@acetuk.com> I also plan to be there. Mince pies are always welcome! From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com Thu Dec 17 10:19:23 2009 From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:19:23 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] December meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69929340-2F79-446C-99A4-4436DA1DB9B3@ruthmurray.f2s.com> I intend to be there, and I hope that doesn't put anyone off! Ruth On 17 Dec 2009, at 08:33, Alan Barber wrote: > The usual room is available at the Quebec on Weds 23rd. > Paul Chapman may not be able to attend so asked me to see if anyone is > interested. > let us know on list if you are going to attend to give us some idea if > its worth it or not > and if you think some some food or snacks are worth ordering > > Regards > > Alan > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/ > listinfo/nmug > Ruth Murray ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com Ruth Murray Graphic Design and Illustration 01603 632334 Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net From andrew at acetuk.com Thu Dec 17 10:21:05 2009 From: andrew at acetuk.com (Andrew Forde) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:21:05 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iphone pay & Go Message-ID: <8A71CEF7-DC75-4045-B1CB-6E3B6421B853@acetuk.com> O2 will unlock an iPhone but under two different sets of conditions - 1) If it's a contract phone then you must either complete your contract or pay out the remainder of your contract. In either case they will unlock and cancel your current contract. I'm guessing you can still port the number but I haven't asked. 2) If it's a PAYG deal then you must have the phone for 12 months before they will unlock it for you. The unlock is done remotely - a message appears on the iPhone telling you that it has been unlocked. In this case you have some consumer rights depending on how long you have had the iPhone. If it is still new, only a few days old, I am fairly sure you have the right to return it for a full refund due to the network coverage being poor. You need to return to the store and complain, loudly! The other option is a little more naughty. You can jailbreak your iPhone, basically taking some of the security off the iPhone which in turn means you can unlock it yourself. Sounds complicated but isn't really - run an application on your Mac / Windows computer, wait for the iPhone to respond at which point the jailbreak is complete. Then do one more simply step and the iPhone is unlocked. There is a small possibility that the iPhone could go wrong but I have now personally done this with my old iPhone for my wife to use three times (basically every time a new iPhone update is released you need to complete the process) with no problems at all. Jailbreaking does work but it breaks the terms of service you have with Apple which means they might not support you if you have any problems with the iPhone itself. However I would start with complaining to the O2 store where you got it that you have no service and want a full refund. From turrethouse at talktalk.net Thu Dec 17 10:27:28 2009 From: turrethouse at talktalk.net (hugh morgan) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:27:28 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] December meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I intend to be there - Hugh >The usual room is available at the Quebec on Weds 23rd. > >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Thu Dec 17 10:51:47 2009 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:51:47 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] December meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <96030C8B-D05C-4B61-A781-160154D98787@virgin.net> I too expect to be there. Sounds as though it might be well attended- Blackfriars Hall is larger! Ken On 17 Dec 2009, at 08:33 AM, Alan Barber wrote: > The usual room is available at the Quebec on Weds 23rd. > Paul Chapman may not be able to attend so asked me to see if anyone is > interested. > let us know on list if you are going to attend to give us some idea if > its worth it or not > and if you think some some food or snacks are worth ordering > > Regards > > Alan > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From jill at 2js.org Thu Dec 17 14:25:08 2009 From: jill at 2js.org (Jill Searle) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:25:08 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iphone Message-ID: <5FE0F149-51AC-48C7-8566-7ECE8E8B8A4F@2js.org> Thanks Andrew for sch a comprehensive reply - I deliberately bought my iphone from Apple not 02 to make sure of my independence, as I said to all & sundry that I did not want to be contracted to 02. I had waited for the 3GS model and bought in August & I was intending to wait until Vodaphone started up with the iphone before making a move. Can I contact you off line for advice if I go ahead & try your suggestion in the new year? Is this statement a loophole? "Twelve Months of included O2 Web & Wi-Fi Bolt On for new iPhone Pay & Go customers 1. This offer is only applicable to new and upgrading O2 Pay & Go customers who purchase an iPhone on Pay & Go from O2." I have been into the 02 Gt Yarmouth Store, they were very helpful explained that O2 will unlock contract phones but not P & G because they are on a one year contract, they also said they would try again for me ! - (For me the Norwich store was a total waste of time) Jill From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com Thu Dec 17 12:54:53 2009 From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (Gmail) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 12:54:53 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] December meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes I plan to be at the December meeting. Merry Christmas Simon Bainbridge On 17 Dec 2009, at 08:44, Richard Nevill wrote: > I expect to be there, and I'm happy to celebrate with a mince pie! > > Richard > > > On 17 Dec 2009, at 08:33, Alan Barber wrote: > >> The usual room is available at the Quebec on Weds 23rd. >> >> let us know on list if you are going to attend to give us some idea >> if >> its worth it or not >> and if you think some some food or snacks are worth ordering > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From david.maskell at ntlworld.com Thu Dec 17 18:35:55 2009 From: david.maskell at ntlworld.com (David Maskell) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:35:55 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] December meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7FCA926A-946A-4B6D-BB03-372C8F3183EF@ntlworld.com> i'll be attending!... be good to meet the gang David M On 17 Dec 2009, at 08:44, Richard Nevill wrote: > I expect to be there, and I'm happy to celebrate with a mince pie! > > Richard > > > On 17 Dec 2009, at 08:33, Alan Barber wrote: > >> The usual room is available at the Quebec on Weds 23rd. >> >> let us know on list if you are going to attend to give us some idea >> if >> its worth it or not >> and if you think some some food or snacks are worth ordering > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From andrew at acetuk.com Thu Dec 17 23:57:25 2009 From: andrew at acetuk.com (Andrew Forde) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 23:57:25 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iphone Message-ID: <678FA441-3686-4C7D-B9C9-429DDB584F3A@acetuk.com> Jill. Yes, feel free to contact me directly for advice as required. Thanks, Andrew From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk Fri Dec 18 11:16:51 2009 From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:16:51 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] December meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43BD6D19-8CAD-4FF0-A547-3E69D116D79D@themagic.me.uk> I hope to be there. If there's food I will probably nibble. if there is not I won't miss it! Anthony On 17 Dec 2009, at 08:33, Alan Barber wrote: > The usual room is available at the Quebec on Weds 23rd. > Paul Chapman may not be able to attend so asked me to see if anyone is > interested. > let us know on list if you are going to attend to give us some idea if > its worth it or not > and if you think some some food or snacks are worth ordering > > Regards > > Alan > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Sat Dec 19 11:11:12 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:11:12 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] I got a mention in the Evening Standard! Message-ID: I just want to share my pleasure in a very nice mention in the Evening Standard: http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/lifest...r-christmas.do > But the most charming book of all is a reissue of Noel Langley's > Desbarollda, the Waltzing Mouse (Durrant Books, ?9.99). It's hard to > know whether the mannered prose or the drawings by the great Edward > Ardizzone is more captivating. I don't know if this will put a spike in the sales or not, but it's really nice to have someone else like the book so much. Ok, so this isn't really Mac related. The book was re-published entirely using a Mac, so perhaps that will do! regards, Paul From hidunc at ntlworld.com Sat Dec 19 17:29:08 2009 From: hidunc at ntlworld.com (J L Duncan Bradford) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:29:08 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Security Message-ID: <13F63901-2177-49DE-AC4E-F48E536BB053@ntlworld.com> Think I've asked this before but... Is it really not possible to password-protect a folder of documents? I've never got my head around File-vault, and Keychain just confuses me. The only security I have is that my financial record files are each protected by a password [though I've no recollection on how to set that up]. Thing is that both my lodgers & I all use the laptop, and we just each want to have a folder we can keep private. We really don't want to have separate accounts as we all use it for all sorts of things at random. Surely this should be simple? What am I missing? [Apart from the brain I'm sure I once had but seem to have misplaced] Dunc From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Sat Dec 19 18:22:56 2009 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 18:22:56 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Security In-Reply-To: <13F63901-2177-49DE-AC4E-F48E536BB053@ntlworld.com> References: <13F63901-2177-49DE-AC4E-F48E536BB053@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: You can encrypt files by using Disk Utility. 'Help' will tell you how. Ken Arnoldi On 19 Dec 2009, at 05:29 PM, J L Duncan Bradford wrote: > Think I've asked this before but... > Is it really not possible to password-protect a folder of documents? > I've never got my head around File-vault, and Keychain just confuses > me. The only security I have is that my financial record files are > each protected by a password [though I've no recollection on how to > set that up]. Thing is that both my lodgers & I all use the laptop, > and we just each want to have a folder we can keep private. We > really don't want to have separate accounts as we all use it for all > sorts of things at random. > Surely this should be simple? What am I missing? [Apart from the > brain I'm sure I once had but seem to have misplaced] > Dunc > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From brian at clearlight.uk.net Sat Dec 19 20:05:54 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 20:05:54 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Security In-Reply-To: <13F63901-2177-49DE-AC4E-F48E536BB053@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: Create a new encrypted sparse disk image with Disk Utility. The sparse bit means it can grow as you add to it. The encryption means that you cant open the disk image without the password that you set. Do make sure you have backup for these. If one gets corrupted it will not open. Has happened to me a couple of times. An encrypted sparse disk image is the basis of filevault - putting all of your eggs in one basket. I prefer the freedom to manually choose what I keep protected. But then I don't work in a sensitive organisation etc. Keychain utility isn't that hard to use to set secure items in keychain. I also use Yojimbo - which can encrypt notes and files. And 1 Password - which also can - as well as insert such info according to context. Many programs have a setting to make a file password protected - though I don't ever use that so I don't think of it. I would however have separate accounts if I was sharing mine but make a shared access folder available to all with the appropriate data located there - and turn Fast User switching on. There will of course be lots of other ways. all the best Brian J L Duncan Bradford said recently: > Think I've asked this before but... > Is it really not possible to password-protect a folder of documents? > I've never got my head around File-vault, and Keychain just confuses > me. The only security I have is that my financial record files are > each protected by a password [though I've no recollection on how to > set that up]. Thing is that both my lodgers & I all use the laptop, > and we just each want to have a folder we can keep private. We > really don't want to have separate accounts as we all use it for all > sorts of things at random. > Surely this should be simple? What am I missing? [Apart from the > brain I'm sure I once had but seem to have misplaced] > Dunc > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com Sun Dec 20 09:44:34 2009 From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 09:44:34 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Security In-Reply-To: <13F63901-2177-49DE-AC4E-F48E536BB053@ntlworld.com> References: <13F63901-2177-49DE-AC4E-F48E536BB053@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: Hi, if you have Microsoft Word (Office Set) installed then you can password a word/ document or Excel Sheet I'm not sure if Open Office or Pages etc will allow you to do the same. but if you all had separate accounts you could just use "switch user" instead of login out completely Kerin On 19 Dec 2009, at 17:29, J L Duncan Bradford wrote: > Think I've asked this before but... > Is it really not possible to password-protect a folder of documents? > I've never got my head around File-vault, and Keychain just confuses > me. The only security I have is that my financial record files are > each protected by a password [though I've no recollection on how to > set that up]. Thing is that both my lodgers & I all use the laptop, > and we just each want to have a folder we can keep private. We > really don't want to have separate accounts as we all use it for all > sorts of things at random. > Surely this should be simple? What am I missing? [Apart from the > brain I'm sure I once had but seem to have misplaced] > Dunc > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From hidunc at ntlworld.com Sun Dec 20 19:02:36 2009 From: hidunc at ntlworld.com (J L Duncan Bradford) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:02:36 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Keychain Message-ID: OK this is bugging me I've found how to open Keychain Access via Mac Help. When it opens there are two items both labelled kPandoClient, 1 year apart, and one pop.ntlworld.com. That's all. I've tried spotlighting & Googling kPando with no success. Can anyone tell me what it might be? It says it's from 2007. The pop.ntl one is from Jan 09 so could be to do with when NTL remotely tried to set up a new mail account. [It didn't work, but is still indelibly listed under my inbox of course!] When I tried to delete the pop.ntl entry in Keychain Access it wouldn't delete either, but I guess it should do. Have looked in Help but no help on how to create more entries or how to use them. Ain't Apple wonderful. Apparently when I set up my laptop on Tiger from new I find I should have set up Keychain but there is nothing, and nothing happens if I try to open Keychain Access from Help. No Keychain at Work, either, though one of the Macs there won't accept a second Admin user so it's tricky to find out what it's thinking anyway. So the mystery deepens. -------------- next part -------------- From macman at f2s.com Sun Dec 20 19:30:48 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:30:48 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Keychain In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <417A4CE5-9E81-4E97-BE77-893A1919F00D@f2s.com> Not sure what you're looking at - all my saved passwords are in my user folder > Library > keychains > login.keychain: there are over 100 ... Robbie On 20 Dec 2009, at 19:02, J L Duncan Bradford wrote: OK this is bugging me I've found how to open Keychain Access via Mac Help. When it opens there are two items both labelled kPandoClient, 1 year apart, and one pop.ntlworld.com. That's all. I've tried spotlighting & Googling kPando with no success. Can anyone tell me what it might be? It says it's from 2007. The pop.ntl one is from Jan 09 so could be to do with when NTL remotely tried to set up a new mail account. [It didn't work, but is still indelibly listed under my inbox of course!] When I tried to delete the pop.ntl entry in Keychain Access it wouldn't delete either, but I guess it should do. Have looked in Help but no help on how to create more entries or how to use them. Ain't Apple wonderful. Apparently when I set up my laptop on Tiger from new I find I should have set up Keychain but there is nothing, and nothing happens if I try to open Keychain Access from Help. No Keychain at Work, either, though one of the Macs there won't accept a second Admin user so it's tricky to find out what it's thinking anyway. So the mystery deepens. _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Mon Dec 21 13:03:08 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:03:08 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Macbook (2.0GHz Late 2006) for sale In-Reply-To: <388ED587-F59C-4192-8E72-72A9F93B12DB@durrant.co.uk> References: <381F0562-AF3B-416C-8CED-1C315C3D18D9@durrant.co.uk> <388ED587-F59C-4192-8E72-72A9F93B12DB@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <790E2363-BC3C-4D26-929B-368A934E4447@durrant.co.uk> It's sold again, this time to someone actually intending to pay for it. Only ?420 this time - I guess people who aren't intending to pay are willing to bid more... Still not too bad at all. regards, Paul On 14 Dec 2009, at 17:57, Paul Durrant wrote: > Well, it went up on eBay. And sold for ?510! Of course, courier, eBay > and Paypal fees need to come out of that. But I should still clear > well over ?450. From macman at f2s.com Mon Dec 21 13:48:19 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:48:19 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Macbook (2.0GHz Late 2006) for sale In-Reply-To: <790E2363-BC3C-4D26-929B-368A934E4447@durrant.co.uk> References: <381F0562-AF3B-416C-8CED-1C315C3D18D9@durrant.co.uk> <388ED587-F59C-4192-8E72-72A9F93B12DB@durrant.co.uk> <790E2363-BC3C-4D26-929B-368A934E4447@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <3D7B2563-8149-4E9B-867D-B27A23978C94@f2s.com> I have no experience of selling on eBay, have been told by my son in law, who's rather an authority such things, that it's most effective to list so the closing time is around 8pm on a Thursday or Sunday evening. There are, however, extra considerations to be considered such as football and (God help us), reality TV shows. I'm planning to sell a few items in the new year - does anyone have any helpful advice or comments? Robbie P.S. I was rooting in the garage yesterday and found a box of LocalTalk adaptors - a real blast from the past. Nostalgic value, but no doubt little else .... On 21 Dec 2009, at 13:03, Paul Durrant wrote: It's sold again, this time to someone actually intending to pay for it. Only ?420 this time - I guess people who aren't intending to pay are willing to bid more... Still not too bad at all. regards, Paul On 14 Dec 2009, at 17:57, Paul Durrant wrote: > Well, it went up on eBay. And sold for ?510! Of course, courier, eBay > and Paypal fees need to come out of that. But I should still clear > well over ?450. _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From hidunc at ntlworld.com Mon Dec 21 14:28:32 2009 From: hidunc at ntlworld.com (J L Duncan Bradford) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:28:32 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] (no subject) Message-ID: <1272AA7E-BA6E-4000-A569-C1179E06FCD6@ntlworld.com> OK, if I follow that path I get to 2 items [type: 'document'] One is named with my account name, one is named 'Microsoft Intermadiate certificates' Both have plain white document icons; neither will open On the iBook there is nothing, as expected. Not to worry - it's just that I like to try & keep tabs on most aspects of the OS, but never understood anything about Keychain. It's never in any list of Applications, I've never heard anything from it spontaneously, and just recently noticed you can open something called Keychain Access from the Mac Help app, so thought I'd try & explore it but it seems it's probably one of those odd corners that never really went anywhere. Dunc < Library > keychains > login.keychain: there are over 100 ... Robbie On 20 Dec 2009, at 19:02, J L Duncan Bradford wrote: OK this is bugging me I've found how to open Keychain Access via Mac Help. When it opens there are two items both labelled kPandoClient, 1 year apart, and one pop.ntlworld.com. That's all. I've tried spotlighting & Googling kPando with no success. Can anyone tell me what it might be? It says it's from 2007. The pop.ntl one is from Jan 09 so could be to do with when NTL remotely tried to set up a new mail account. [It didn't work, but is still indelibly listed under my inbox of course!] When I tried to delete the pop.ntl entry in Keychain Access it wouldn't delete either, but I guess it should do. Have looked in Help but no help on how to create more entries or how to use them. Ain't Apple wonderful. Apparently when I set up my laptop on Tiger from new I find I should have set up Keychain but there is nothing, and nothing happens if I try to open Keychain Access from Help. No Keychain at Work, either, though one of the Macs there won't accept a second Admin user so it's tricky to find out what it's thinking anyway. So the mystery deepens.>> From alan at asw6000.plus.com Mon Dec 21 14:38:35 2009 From: alan at asw6000.plus.com (Alan Williams) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:38:35 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <1272AA7E-BA6E-4000-A569-C1179E06FCD6@ntlworld.com> References: <1272AA7E-BA6E-4000-A569-C1179E06FCD6@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <84FDE71B-7BB0-4FF1-B3EA-0E5AE1F4D0F2@asw6000.plus.com> Try getting there a different way - go applications, utilities, keychain access Alan On 21 Dec 2009, at 14:28, J L Duncan Bradford wrote: > OK, if I follow that path I get to 2 items [type: 'document'] One is > named with my account name, one is named 'Microsoft Intermadiate > certificates' > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Alan Williams alan at asw6000.plus.com From robharrington at mac.com Mon Dec 21 17:16:27 2009 From: robharrington at mac.com (robharrington) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:16:27 -0000 Subject: [NMUG] Data retrieval advice In-Reply-To: <790E2363-BC3C-4D26-929B-368A934E4447@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: My G5 imac has just had its second internal hard drive replaced. I replaced the first one myself less than two years ago but this time I paid for a shop to do it so that they could access the data on the drive. I have just been told it is ready for collection but without any retrieved data. Anyone have any suggestions how I may confirm or confound this pessimistic diagnosis? They were not Mac specialists. Rob Harrington From paul at durrant.co.uk Mon Dec 21 17:19:48 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:19:48 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Data retrieval advice In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70E46C18-EAC7-44FF-AD06-DED82586FD9A@durrant.co.uk> If they were not Mac specialists, perhaps they didn't have any tools to access HFS+ formatted disks? Especially corrupt ones. You must get your old hard disk back when you pick up your iMac. Then you can try running it in an external case. If it's not completely dead that would allow you to try various data recovery tools. regards, Paul On 21 Dec 2009, at 17:16, robharrington wrote: > My G5 imac has just had its second internal hard drive replaced. > I replaced the first one myself less than two years ago but this > time I > paid for a shop to do it so that they could access the data on the > drive. > I have just been told it is ready for collection but without any > retrieved data. > Anyone have any suggestions how I may confirm or confound this > pessimistic diagnosis? > They were not Mac specialists. From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk Mon Dec 21 17:34:12 2009 From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 17:34:12 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Macbook (2.0GHz Late 2006) for sale In-Reply-To: <3D7B2563-8149-4E9B-867D-B27A23978C94@f2s.com> References: <381F0562-AF3B-416C-8CED-1C315C3D18D9@durrant.co.uk> <388ED587-F59C-4192-8E72-72A9F93B12DB@durrant.co.uk> <790E2363-BC3C-4D26-929B-368A934E4447@durrant.co.uk> <3D7B2563-8149-4E9B-867D-B27A23978C94@f2s.com> Message-ID: <923754B8-E235-49B6-9DC0-01E4CACBA9DD@zen.co.uk> I'd second that as I have a Canon Professional Lens to dispose of (28-70 F2.8) Steven Jefferson steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk On 21 Dec 2009, at 13:48, Robbie Murray wrote: > I have no experience of selling on eBay, have been told by my son in > law, who's rather an authority such things, that it's most effective > to list so the closing time is around 8pm on a Thursday or Sunday > evening. > > There are, however, extra considerations to be considered such as > football and (God help us), reality TV shows. > > I'm planning to sell a few items in the new year - does anyone have > any helpful advice or comments? > > Robbie > > P.S. I was rooting in the garage yesterday and found a box of > LocalTalk adaptors - a real blast from the past. Nostalgic value, but > no doubt little else .... > > > > > On 21 Dec 2009, at 13:03, Paul Durrant wrote: > > It's sold again, this time to someone actually intending to pay for > it. Only ?420 this time - I guess people who aren't intending to pay > are willing to bid more... > > Still not too bad at all. > > regards, > > Paul > > On 14 Dec 2009, at 17:57, Paul Durrant wrote: > >> Well, it went up on eBay. And sold for ?510! Of course, courier, eBay >> and Paypal fees need to come out of that. But I should still clear >> well over ?450. > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From penguinsplj at me.com Mon Dec 21 20:28:48 2009 From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:28:48 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] December meeting Message-ID: The next meeting will be on the 23rd December 2009 that being the fourth Wednesday of the month. It will be held at The Quebec in a separate room from the bar and will be from 7.30. Quebec 93-97 Quebec Road Norwich NR1 4HY Here is a link to a map. It appeared that there was some interest in having a meeting near to Christmas this year but not sure if there was much enthusiasm for extra food. I am hoping to be there but could be a little late. If there are mince pies then please put my name on one! Cheers Paul C From alanbarber at mac.com Tue Dec 22 08:12:06 2009 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 08:12:06 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] meeting Message-ID: <5C67D432-FF22-4FFD-8A20-9C4A1410EC26@mac.com> I have ordered some festive fair (fayre) for the meeting as an inducement to attend, not that one is needed. Regards Alan From penguinsplj at me.com Tue Dec 22 09:13:14 2009 From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:13:14 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] meeting In-Reply-To: <5C67D432-FF22-4FFD-8A20-9C4A1410EC26@mac.com> References: <5C67D432-FF22-4FFD-8A20-9C4A1410EC26@mac.com> Message-ID: <6B467145-142A-46FF-A3E3-3E63A4335BF4@me.com> On Dec 22, 2009, at 08:12, Alan Barber wrote: > I have ordered some festive fair (fayre) for the meeting as an > inducement to attend Many thanks for that Alan. Cheers Paul C From munkt0n at gmail.com Tue Dec 22 10:41:47 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:41:47 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Macbook (2.0GHz Late 2006) for sale In-Reply-To: <923754B8-E235-49B6-9DC0-01E4CACBA9DD@zen.co.uk> References: <381F0562-AF3B-416C-8CED-1C315C3D18D9@durrant.co.uk> <388ED587-F59C-4192-8E72-72A9F93B12DB@durrant.co.uk> <790E2363-BC3C-4D26-929B-368A934E4447@durrant.co.uk> <3D7B2563-8149-4E9B-867D-B27A23978C94@f2s.com> <923754B8-E235-49B6-9DC0-01E4CACBA9DD@zen.co.uk> Message-ID: hmmm, what mount type Steven? if it's EF I may be interested.. On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Steven Jefferson wrote: > I'd second that as I have a Canon Professional Lens to dispose of (28-70 F2.8) > Steven Jefferson > steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk > > > > On 21 Dec 2009, at 13:48, Robbie Murray wrote: > >> I have no experience of selling on eBay, have been told by my son in >> law, who's rather an authority such things, that it's most effective >> to list so the closing time is around 8pm on a Thursday or Sunday >> evening. >> >> There are, however, ?extra considerations to be considered such as >> football and (God help us), reality TV shows. >> >> I'm planning to sell a few items in the new year - does anyone have >> any helpful advice or comments? >> >> Robbie >> >> P.S. ?I was rooting in the garage yesterday and found a box of >> LocalTalk adaptors - a real blast from the past. ?Nostalgic value, but >> no doubt little else .... >> >> >> >> >> On 21 Dec 2009, at 13:03, Paul Durrant wrote: >> >> It's sold again, this time to someone actually intending to pay for >> it. Only ?420 this time - I guess people who aren't intending to pay >> are willing to bid more... >> >> Still not too bad at all. >> >> regards, >> >> Paul >> >> On 14 Dec 2009, at 17:57, Paul Durrant wrote: >> >>> Well, it went up on eBay. And sold for ?510! Of course, courier, eBay >>> and Paypal fees need to come out of that. But I should still clear >>> well over ?450. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- :wq From robharrington at mac.com Tue Dec 22 17:29:19 2009 From: robharrington at mac.com (Robert Harrington) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:29:19 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Mail restore In-Reply-To: <6B467145-142A-46FF-A3E3-3E63A4335BF4@me.com> References: <5C67D432-FF22-4FFD-8A20-9C4A1410EC26@mac.com> <6B467145-142A-46FF-A3E3-3E63A4335BF4@me.com> Message-ID: Amongst the many things to put back after my recent internal drive death is Mail messages. I saved them onto a dvd and they read all right - they are called .emix. I have no joy importing the inbox folder, either as ' Mail for OSX ' or ' Other ' . The list of messages is grayed out and a message comes up ' No valid mbox files found ' Any ideas? Rob Harrington From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk Tue Dec 22 19:20:08 2009 From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:20:08 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Mail restore In-Reply-To: References: <5C67D432-FF22-4FFD-8A20-9C4A1410EC26@mac.com> <6B467145-142A-46FF-A3E3-3E63A4335BF4@me.com> Message-ID: Go to your user name/library/Mail and look at the structure of your mail set up... Steven Jefferson steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk On 22 Dec 2009, at 17:29, Robert Harrington wrote: > > Amongst the many things to put back after my recent internal drive > death is Mail messages. > I saved them onto a dvd and they read all right - they are called .emix. > I have no joy importing the inbox folder, either as ' Mail for OSX ' > or ' Other ' . > The list of messages is grayed out and a message comes up ' No valid > mbox files found ' > Any ideas? > > Rob Harrington > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From valeriehardman at btinternet.com Tue Dec 22 21:12:25 2009 From: valeriehardman at btinternet.com (VALERIE HARDMAN) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:12:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 71, Issue 38 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <535619.42838.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> I had intended to come to this meeting but have slipped on ice in St Matthew's Road and have broken my leg! Just back home tonight. Ambulance and hospital very good but seemingly lots of ice-related accidents to deal with. Would it not be more cost-effective for the Council to treat the roads? Anyway I'm somewhat curtailed for the time being. Happy Christmas to all Valerie > > The next meeting will be on the 23rd December 2009 that > being the > fourth Wednesday of the month. It will be held at The > Quebec in a > separate room from the bar and will be from 7.30. > t 08:12, Alan Barber wrote: > > > I have ordered some festive fair (fayre) for the > meeting as an > > inducement to attend > > Many thanks for that Alan. > > Cheers > > Paul C > > From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Tue Dec 22 21:58:08 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:58:08 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 71, Issue 38 In-Reply-To: <535619.42838.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <535619.42838.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5EADA5F7-3C73-407C-80FC-A9C87200980D@virgin.net> Valerie, what bad luck. All the best for a speedy recovery. Nathan On 22 Dec 2009, at 21:12, VALERIE HARDMAN wrote: > > I had intended to come to this meeting but have slipped on ice in St > Matthew's Road and have broken my leg! Just back home tonight. > Ambulance and hospital very good but seemingly lots of ice-related > accidents to deal with. Would it not be more cost-effective for the > Council to treat the roads? > Anyway I'm somewhat curtailed for the time being. > Happy Christmas to all > Valerie > > From turrethouse at talktalk.net Wed Dec 23 10:07:36 2009 From: turrethouse at talktalk.net (hugh morgan) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:07:36 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 71, Issue 38 In-Reply-To: <535619.42838.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <535619.42838.qm@web86505.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Valerie I thought only actors were supposed to 'break a leg" ! You're right - more grit & salt would surely be cheaper than broken legs, broken cars, delayed business etc etc. Commiserations re. the fall and hope it heals up quickly and that someone pampers you over Christmas. Hugh Morgan >I had intended to come to this meeting but have slipped on ice in St >Matthew's Road and ges for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From swimwire at googlemail.com Wed Dec 23 10:23:37 2009 From: swimwire at googlemail.com (Jack Webb-Heller) Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:23:37 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Merry Christmas + Saft Message-ID: <89CDE52B-8115-41D5-9694-B02C9D4285CC@googlemail.com> Hello NMUGgers, Merry Christmas! I hope you all enjoy the Christmas spirit and maybe receive some new Mac-related gadgets to post about here. Just thought I'd share a little find with you. I'm not sure how many of you have already heard of it, but it was mentioned (once) in the archives in 2005... http://haoli.dnsalias.com/Saft/index.html It's the new tool I can't live without for Safari. I'll copy and paste the features below (it's a long list...). Some features are already integrated in Safari in the newest updates, but there's still a lot of added functionality included: Ad/banner blocking with simple URL pattern matching Add bookmark folder here and add bookmark here in every bookmark menus Always open browser window in tab Auto hide Downloads window Auto save and restore opened browser windows at quitting and start AutoComplete always on Block animation Block HTML refreshing in front-most browser Block images and plugins Bookmark search Bookmark this group of tabs Consolidate browser windows Control-1 to 9 to popup bookmark menu or open bookmark Control-drag page Crash protection Create dated folder for downloaded files Customizable HTTP timeout Customized Google search field Do not allow scripts to bring tab to front Drag tab buttons to add the URL string to other applications Export Selected Bookmarks Extended search from contextual menu External text editor support for TextArea Fix for Frame Creation Attack Fix for Safari AutoFill Information Disclosure Focus the last selected tab when closing the current one Full-screen browsing History search Install debug menu Kiosk mode Max screen for normal browser windows Modified "Open in Tabs" One-page PDF export Open tab in new window Option to use Aqua interface Original URLs in Spotlight comments of downloaded files, exported PDFs and saved pages Plain copy Print All Reload All Tabs Reversed tab order Save and load browser windows Save tabs and save all Separator in bookmark menu Shortcut for Look Up in Dictionary Show site image in tab Sidebar Sort bookmarks in every bookmark menus Stop download warnings Tab rearranging with drag and drop Tab search Type-ahead searching Undo support for closing tab and closing other tabs Undo support in TextField URL hotkeys URL shortcuts URL traverse with return-key Work-around of click-through bug in WebKit Basically it integrates straight into Safari. It isn't free - you can buy a license for $12 - but you receive one nag message each time you launch Safari which isn't a lot for what it does. Just a little find I thought I'd share with you all. Jack Webb-Heller personal: jack at jackwebbheller.com general: swimwire at googlemail.com http://jackwebbheller.com From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Thu Dec 24 07:55:00 2009 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 07:55:00 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Meeting last night Message-ID: <96D5D2B1-60A6-4FCA-8BE6-64EFCD353C1D@virgin.net> Hello Alan, Just to thank you for arranging the delightful nibbles night. Much appreciated and eagerly devoured! Ken Arnoldi From robharrington at mac.com Thu Dec 24 14:11:35 2009 From: robharrington at mac.com (robharrington) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 14:11:35 -0000 Subject: [NMUG] Where do I start? Message-ID: <33A9522B-1DD5-11B2-A811-0003936BCE30@mac.com> Is there anybody there? Surely not on Christmas Eve. I will probably have to wait until you have recovered after the New Year. So this is probably just therapy for me. I had my internal har drive replaced on my G5imac OS10.4.11. I transferred a lot of stuff back into the computer ( lots of photos for example ). I noticed that my mail was going out as 'Robert Harrington' which I am not - I am Rob Harrington. I found I could right-click change the name of the house symbol so I did. Then it gets complicated. Later the keychain issue came up. Safari would announce Keychain not found " A keychain cannot be found to store 'Robharrington' Wasn't very helpful and didn't stop me using Safari.. Eventually I did create a new keychain thinking that this would stop similar messages. I finished all my work and then moved the computer back to the study and whn I booted up - no photos in iphoto etc., etc. I have not got more than one user in the list - the robert harrington one, so when commanded to show on login different users it is the only one there.. Under Network. servers>unknown>users i found three users Robertharrington - with the house symbol- Robharrington as a folder and Rob Harrington as a folder of which one has all the photos etc. ( Weirdly the '>unkown' heading has a series of numbers after it that I typed in once this morning to re-register some photo- stitching software . I want to simplify the users down to one - the one I have put all the stuff in. I have no idea what has happened and more importantly have no idea what to do about it. Rob Harrington typed on an old G3 imac. From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk Thu Dec 24 14:16:47 2009 From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 14:16:47 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Office desk Message-ID: Guys It was suggested by some at last nights meeting that there could be a taker for my desk. So here are the details. Its a standard office desk. Top is 27" x 47" height 29" It is a black square section metal frame, the top is wood (teak) Two drawers plus a pull out tray to the right. The drawers are 16" wide and 6" deep with recessed handles On the left side and the back is a panel that extends 15" down from the top. The reason for wanted rid is that we have just completed a built in office to one of our rooms and the desk is now redundant! Michael Woodhouse mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu Dec 24 14:20:20 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 14:20:20 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Where do I start? In-Reply-To: <33A9522B-1DD5-11B2-A811-0003936BCE30@mac.com> References: <33A9522B-1DD5-11B2-A811-0003936BCE30@mac.com> Message-ID: <4287A8CF-FBF9-42CD-90F9-B5DD0B18EFDC@durrant.co.uk> Hi Rob, Oh dear. On 24 Dec 2009, at 14:11, robharrington wrote: > I found I could right-click change the name of the house symbol so I > did. This is where you went wrong. I'm rather surprised you were able to chnage the name. Perhaps because you're in 10.4. In 10.5 it won't let you do that. You have renamed your home folder. Once you shut down and restarted, a new home folder was created because the old one no longer had the right name. Looking at what you're written, assuming you've quote the folder names exactly, and that when you change the folder name you changed it to "Rob Harrington", I'd suggest (i) Rename the Robertharrington folder to "newRobFolder" (ii) rename the "Rob Harrington" folder as Robertharrington (iii) restart. That should make your original user folder that you renamed back to being your user folder. To change your outgoing mail name, use the preferences in Mail. regards, Paul From robharrington at mac.com Thu Dec 24 15:39:57 2009 From: robharrington at mac.com (robharrington) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:39:57 -0000 Subject: [NMUG] Where do I start? In-Reply-To: <4287A8CF-FBF9-42CD-90F9-B5DD0B18EFDC@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <8AF851DD-1DE1-11B2-A811-0003936BCE30@mac.com> Thank you Paul for giving such a clear exposition and advice . I , too , was surprised I could change the home folder. I always thought that you were kind of stuck with whatever the original was or Don't Go There. For further therapy I have just been out collecting greenery and berries for seasonal decoration. I shall hum to myself as I put it all up and then later, much later, take your advice upstairs and apply it gently to the computer. Happy Christmas. Rob ( not Robert ) Harrington On Thursday, December 24, 2009, at 02:20 pm, Paul Durrant wrote: > Hi Rob, > > Oh dear. > > On 24 Dec 2009, at 14:11, robharrington wrote: >> I found I could right-click change the name of the house symbol so I >> did. > > This is where you went wrong. I'm rather surprised you were able to > chnage the name. Perhaps because you're in 10.4. In 10.5 it won't let > you do that. > > You have renamed your home folder. Once you shut down and restarted, a > new home folder was created because the old one no longer had the > right name. > > Looking at what you're written, assuming you've quote the folder names > exactly, and that when you change the folder name you changed it to > "Rob Harrington", I'd suggest > > (i) Rename the Robertharrington folder to "newRobFolder" > (ii) rename the "Rob Harrington" folder as Robertharrington > (iii) restart. > > That should make your original user folder that you renamed back to > being your user folder. > > To change your outgoing mail name, use the preferences in Mail. > > regards, > > Paul > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ken.hamer at stackyard.org Thu Dec 24 16:46:57 2009 From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 16:46:57 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Where do I start? In-Reply-To: <8AF851DD-1DE1-11B2-A811-0003936BCE30@mac.com> References: <8AF851DD-1DE1-11B2-A811-0003936BCE30@mac.com> Message-ID: <4B339B01.9040205@stackyard.org> Rob, I don't know what relevance this has to your various issues but the date of your machine appears to have been reset so all emails you are sending are coming from or around the UNIX Epoch which is 01/01/1970. The date does not appear to be incrementing past a restart so the problem is more than just the clock needing to be set and is probably due to the CMOS battery being dead or not present. I suppose it is possible that it was removed for some bizarre reason during the hard disk replacement. You might want to raise a query with whoever changed the disk, although the fact that they changed the disk without saving any of your data means they aren't necessarily quite on top of the situation. You didn't mention (or I have forgotten) why the recent disk change was necessary. Meanwhile, I suspect that you will have to set the machine's clock every time it boots. You will probably find that any files you create were also created nearly 40 years ago! Have a very Happy Christmas. Ken Hamer On 01/01/1970 02:50, robharrington wrote: > Thank you Paul for giving such a clear exposition and advice . > I , too , was surprised I could change the home folder. I always thought > that you were kind of stuck with whatever the original was or Don't Go > There. > For further therapy I have just been out collecting greenery and berries > for seasonal decoration. I shall hum to myself as I put it all up and > then later, much later, take your advice upstairs and apply it gently to > the computer. > Happy Christmas. > Rob ( not Robert ) Harrington > > > > > On Thursday, December 24, 2009, at 02:20 pm, Paul Durrant wrote: > > >> Hi Rob, >> >> Oh dear. >> >> On 24 Dec 2009, at 14:11, robharrington wrote: >> >>> I found I could right-click change the name of the house symbol so I >>> did. >>> >> This is where you went wrong. I'm rather surprised you were able to >> chnage the name. Perhaps because you're in 10.4. In 10.5 it won't let >> you do that. >> >> You have renamed your home folder. Once you shut down and restarted, a >> new home folder was created because the old one no longer had the >> right name. >> >> Looking at what you're written, assuming you've quote the folder names >> exactly, and that when you change the folder name you changed it to >> "Rob Harrington", I'd suggest >> >> (i) Rename the Robertharrington folder to "newRobFolder" >> (ii) rename the "Rob Harrington" folder as Robertharrington >> (iii) restart. >> >> That should make your original user folder that you renamed back to >> being your user folder. >> >> To change your outgoing mail name, use the preferences in Mail. >> >> regards, >> >> Paul >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk Thu Dec 24 18:50:55 2009 From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:50:55 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] safari Message-ID: I cannot get more than one window open in Safari. I want to see two sites at once, as I used to but cannot now. Must be missing something, what, please? Using iMac 10..5.8, Safari 4.04. Thanks. Anthony From macman at f2s.com Thu Dec 24 19:12:45 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:12:45 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] safari In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: cmd & T = New tab? Robbie On 24 Dec 2009, at 18:50, Anthony Brahams wrote: I cannot get more than one window open in Safari. I want to see two sites at once, as I used to but cannot now. Must be missing something, what, please? Using iMac 10..5.8, Safari 4.04. Thanks. Anthony _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From robharrington at mac.com Thu Dec 24 19:28:49 2009 From: robharrington at mac.com (robharrington) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:28:49 -0000 Subject: [NMUG] Where do I start? In-Reply-To: <4B339B01.9040205@stackyard.org> Message-ID: <8842CFC7-1E01-11B2-A4CA-0003936BCE30@mac.com> Thank you Ken - just when I though I would have no response to my situation! You may have missed the end line which stated that my message about the G5 imac was sent on an old second-hand G3 imac.It never had a cmos battery replaced. It raises a subject not often written about in these columns, that is , we are urged to back up our data but if your computer goes down you can't e-mail for help unless you have a spare one ( or are clever on a phone ). The computer has OS 10.1.2 and only Internet Explorer and I can't get Safari to be downloaded on it.I got it through NMUG about three years ago for ?60...It is linked to the router with an ethernet cable.Any ideas how I could improve it as a spare computer? RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob On Thursday, December 24, 2009, at 04:46 pm, Ken Hamer wrote: > Rob, > > I don't know what relevance this has to your various issues but the date > of your machine appears to have been reset so all emails you are sending > are coming from or around the UNIX Epoch which is 01/01/1970. The date > does not appear to be incrementing past a restart so the problem is more > than just the clock needing to be set and is probably due to the CMOS > battery being dead or not present. I suppose it is possible that it was > removed for some bizarre reason during the hard disk replacement. You > might want to raise a query with whoever changed the disk, although the > fact that they changed the disk without saving any of your data means > they aren't necessarily quite on top of the situation. You didn't > mention (or I have forgotten) why the recent disk change was necessary. > Meanwhile, I suspect that you will have to set the machine's clock every > time it boots. You will probably find that any files you create were > also created nearly 40 years ago! > > Have a very Happy Christmas. From ghowells at f2s.com Thu Dec 24 19:56:16 2009 From: ghowells at f2s.com (G.Howells) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:56:16 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] safari In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Or Command + N for a completely new window which you can then adjust and place beside the first window Gordon >cmd & T = New tab? > >Robbie > >On 24 Dec 2009, at 18:50, Anthony Brahams wrote: > >I cannot get more than one window open in Safari. I want to see two >sites at once, as I used to but cannot now. Must be missing something, >what, please? Using iMac 10..5.8, Safari 4.04. > >Thanks. >Anthony > >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From robharrington at mac.com Thu Dec 24 20:02:26 2009 From: robharrington at mac.com (Rob Harrington) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:02:26 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Where do I start? In-Reply-To: <4287A8CF-FBF9-42CD-90F9-B5DD0B18EFDC@durrant.co.uk> References: <33A9522B-1DD5-11B2-A811-0003936BCE30@mac.com> <4287A8CF-FBF9-42CD-90F9-B5DD0B18EFDC@durrant.co.uk> Message-ID: <12204000-9B3F-4BA2-AFFD-7974B4586D1B@mac.com> This is typed on the G5 imac, which thanks to Paul's advice of swapping user names on the folders and restarting, shows all 1,100 photographs in my iphoto library and all the other re-configurations needed after having my second internal hard drive replaced. Ken asked what caused the drive to fail and I now wonder if its location has anything to do with it. It survived going all the way to Cape Town strapped inside a suitcase and going down the luggage carousel without a glitch but I live in a very cold and damp thatched cottage. The computer is left in a room without any heating - perhaps the damp got to it. The internal dvd drive malfunctioned ages ago- that was no shakes anyway and I much prefer the external Lacie burner I have sitting next to it. I must say I no longer have the same regard for this machine now it is irreversibly named Robert Harrington. It shows how much identity is tied up with machines..... Rob Harrington From paul at durrant.co.uk Thu Dec 24 21:43:31 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 21:43:31 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Where do I start? In-Reply-To: <12204000-9B3F-4BA2-AFFD-7974B4586D1B@mac.com> References: <33A9522B-1DD5-11B2-A811-0003936BCE30@mac.com> <4287A8CF-FBF9-42CD-90F9-B5DD0B18EFDC@durrant.co.uk> <12204000-9B3F-4BA2-AFFD-7974B4586D1B@mac.com> Message-ID: <003B434C-DF48-471E-A866-06516B8BCA27@durrant.co.uk> If it really bothers you, there is a way to change the "short name" which is what is used for your home folder name. See http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1428 Print it out, and read carefully before starting. And make sure you have a backup! regards, Paul On 24 Dec 2009, at 20:02, Rob Harrington wrote: > I must say I no longer have the same regard for this machine now it > is irreversibly named Robert Harrington. It shows how much identity > is tied up with machines..... From ken.hamer at stackyard.org Thu Dec 24 23:39:31 2009 From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 23:39:31 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Where do I start? In-Reply-To: <12204000-9B3F-4BA2-AFFD-7974B4586D1B@mac.com> References: <33A9522B-1DD5-11B2-A811-0003936BCE30@mac.com> <4287A8CF-FBF9-42CD-90F9-B5DD0B18EFDC@durrant.co.uk> <12204000-9B3F-4BA2-AFFD-7974B4586D1B@mac.com> Message-ID: <4B33FBB3.9050001@stackyard.org> Actually, what I meant to ask was what the symptoms of the disk failure were, i.e. what was it that made you realize that a new disk was required? I really must go to bed before Father Christmas arrives. Merry Christmas one and all. On 24/12/2009 20:02, Rob Harrington wrote: > This is typed on the G5 imac, which thanks to Paul's advice of > swapping user names on the folders and restarting, shows all 1,100 > photographs in my iphoto library and all the other re-configurations > needed after having my second internal hard drive replaced. > > Ken asked what caused the drive to fail and I now wonder if its > location has anything to do with it. It survived going all the way to > Cape Town strapped inside a suitcase and going down the luggage > carousel without a glitch but I live in a very cold and damp thatched > cottage. The computer is left in a room without any heating - perhaps > the damp got to it. > The internal dvd drive malfunctioned ages ago- that was no shakes > anyway and I much prefer the external Lacie burner I have sitting > next to it. > I must say I no longer have the same regard for this machine now it > is irreversibly named Robert Harrington. It shows how much identity > is tied up with machines..... > > Rob Harrington > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From minkennison at mac.com Fri Dec 25 00:37:42 2009 From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 00:37:42 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Greetings Message-ID: <1C15B471-A6E3-4C58-823B-38273A801329@mac.com> Happy Christmas and a very good New Year to you all Min From ken.hamer at stackyard.org Fri Dec 25 09:33:41 2009 From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:33:41 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Where do I start? In-Reply-To: <8842CFC7-1E01-11B2-A4CA-0003936BCE30@mac.com> References: <8842CFC7-1E01-11B2-A4CA-0003936BCE30@mac.com> Message-ID: <4B3486F5.8040800@stackyard.org> Rob, Yes, sorry, I didn't realize there were two machines involved. There's probably not much point in putting much effort into the G3 - it's probably fine as it is as a spare. Replacing the battery is the only thing that might make an improvement. At least it would keep the date correctly and if you have to send email from the machine, your message won't be lost and forgotten at the wrong end of the recipients' email message lists. All the best and have a great Christmas. Ken On 01/01/1970 06:39, robharrington wrote: > Thank you Ken - just when I though I would have no response to my > situation! > You may have missed the end line which stated that my message about the > G5 imac was sent on an old second-hand G3 imac.It never had a cmos > battery replaced. > It raises a subject not often written about in these columns, that is , > we are urged to back up our data but if your computer goes down you > can't e-mail for help unless you have a spare one ( or are clever on a > phone ). > The computer has OS 10.1.2 and only Internet Explorer and I can't get > Safari to be downloaded on it.I got it through NMUG about three years > ago for ?60...It is linked to the router with an ethernet cable.Any > ideas how I could improve it as a spare computer? > > RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob > > On Thursday, December 24, 2009, at 04:46 pm, Ken Hamer wrote: > > >> Rob, >> >> I don't know what relevance this has to your various issues but the date >> of your machine appears to have been reset so all emails you are sending >> are coming from or around the UNIX Epoch which is 01/01/1970. The date >> does not appear to be incrementing past a restart so the problem is more >> than just the clock needing to be set and is probably due to the CMOS >> battery being dead or not present. I suppose it is possible that it was >> removed for some bizarre reason during the hard disk replacement. You >> might want to raise a query with whoever changed the disk, although the >> fact that they changed the disk without saving any of your data means >> they aren't necessarily quite on top of the situation. You didn't >> mention (or I have forgotten) why the recent disk change was necessary. >> Meanwhile, I suspect that you will have to set the machine's clock every >> time it boots. You will probably find that any files you create were >> also created nearly 40 years ago! >> >> Have a very Happy Christmas. >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > From macman at f2s.com Fri Dec 25 12:44:24 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 12:44:24 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Where do I start? In-Reply-To: <4B3486F5.8040800@stackyard.org> References: <8842CFC7-1E01-11B2-A4CA-0003936BCE30@mac.com> <4B3486F5.8040800@stackyard.org> Message-ID: The battery is an ER3s - freely available post free on eBay from ?4.50 upwards .... ... or from Maplin for ?7.99 Robbie On 25 Dec 2009, at 09:33, Ken Hamer wrote: Rob, Yes, sorry, I didn't realize there were two machines involved. There's probably not much point in putting much effort into the G3 - it's probably fine as it is as a spare. Replacing the battery is the only thing that might make an improvement. At least it would keep the date correctly and if you have to send email from the machine, your message won't be lost and forgotten at the wrong end of the recipients' email message lists. All the best and have a great Christmas. Ken On 01/01/1970 06:39, robharrington wrote: > Thank you Ken - just when I though I would have no response to my > situation! > You may have missed the end line which stated that my message about > the > G5 imac was sent on an old second-hand G3 imac.It never had a cmos > battery replaced. > It raises a subject not often written about in these columns, that > is , > we are urged to back up our data but if your computer goes down you > can't e-mail for help unless you have a spare one ( or are clever > on a > phone ). > The computer has OS 10.1.2 and only Internet Explorer and I can't get > Safari to be downloaded on it.I got it through NMUG about three years > ago for ?60...It is linked to the router with an ethernet cable.Any > ideas how I could improve it as a spare computer? > > RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob > > On Thursday, December 24, 2009, at 04:46 pm, Ken Hamer wrote: > > >> Rob, >> >> I don't know what relevance this has to your various issues but the >> date >> of your machine appears to have been reset so all emails you are >> sending >> are coming from or around the UNIX Epoch which is 01/01/1970. The >> date >> does not appear to be incrementing past a restart so the problem is >> more >> than just the clock needing to be set and is probably due to the CMOS >> battery being dead or not present. I suppose it is possible that >> it was >> removed for some bizarre reason during the hard disk replacement. >> You >> might want to raise a query with whoever changed the disk, although >> the >> fact that they changed the disk without saving any of your data means >> they aren't necessarily quite on top of the situation. You didn't >> mention (or I have forgotten) why the recent disk change was >> necessary. >> Meanwhile, I suspect that you will have to set the machine's clock >> every >> time it boots. You will probably find that any files you create were >> also created nearly 40 years ago! >> >> Have a very Happy Christmas. >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From brian at clearlight.uk.net Fri Dec 25 23:26:39 2009 From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 23:26:39 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Where do I start? In-Reply-To: <4B3486F5.8040800@stackyard.org> Message-ID: Hi Rob, you may find that to set the time preferences to update via network time server will get around this - but of course it needs doing each time you restart the old Mac. And unread messages are emboldened in the list with a count - so I know I have something unread when I get such a misdated mail. I usually hit the keys for show unread. I'm too far to drop in on the meetings but they sound like they are fruitful and enjoyable. Merry Christmas to all Let Peace and joy be the depth of all our days - or at least some willingness for remembering it. all the best Brian PS - We made a card and message at http://www.livingcircle.net/amerrychristmas.html It was mostly aimed at our fellow dancers - but for dancing one can read 'living'. Ken Hamer said recently: > Rob, > > Yes, sorry, I didn't realize there were two machines involved. There's > probably not much point in putting much effort into the G3 - it's > probably fine as it is as a spare. Replacing the battery is the only > thing that might make an improvement. At least it would keep the date > correctly and if you have to send email from the machine, your message > won't be lost and forgotten at the wrong end of the recipients' email > message lists. > > All the best and have a great Christmas. > > Ken > > On 01/01/1970 06:39, robharrington wrote: >> Thank you Ken - just when I though I would have no response to my >> situation! >> You may have missed the end line which stated that my message about the >> G5 imac was sent on an old second-hand G3 imac.It never had a cmos >> battery replaced. >> It raises a subject not often written about in these columns, that is , >> we are urged to back up our data but if your computer goes down you >> can't e-mail for help unless you have a spare one ( or are clever on a >> phone ). >> The computer has OS 10.1.2 and only Internet Explorer and I can't get >> Safari to be downloaded on it.I got it through NMUG about three years >> ago for ?60...It is linked to the router with an ethernet cable.Any >> ideas how I could improve it as a spare computer? >> >> RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob >> >> On Thursday, December 24, 2009, at 04:46 pm, Ken Hamer wrote: >> >> >>> Rob, >>> >>> I don't know what relevance this has to your various issues but the date >>> of your machine appears to have been reset so all emails you are sending >>> are coming from or around the UNIX Epoch which is 01/01/1970. The date >>> does not appear to be incrementing past a restart so the problem is more >>> than just the clock needing to be set and is probably due to the CMOS >>> battery being dead or not present. I suppose it is possible that it was >>> removed for some bizarre reason during the hard disk replacement. You >>> might want to raise a query with whoever changed the disk, although the >>> fact that they changed the disk without saving any of your data means >>> they aren't necessarily quite on top of the situation. You didn't >>> mention (or I have forgotten) why the recent disk change was necessary. >>> Meanwhile, I suspect that you will have to set the machine's clock every >>> time it boots. You will probably find that any files you create were >>> also created nearly 40 years ago! >>> >>> Have a very Happy Christmas. >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Sun Dec 27 10:06:42 2009 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:06:42 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iMac non starter Message-ID: <212C42B2-BB9E-4042-93A1-703FD6CC6D00@virgin.net> Hello, Yesterday, for the first time in 9 months ownership, my iMac running Snow Leopard would not boot up. I got the dreaded black rectangle with instructions in several languages, to hold power button and restart. I tried this several times with no effect. I then held the option key and restarted. This produced 2 HD images i.e The Mac OS disk and a Windows ( bootcamp) disk. I then selected the mac one and it started OK and has been alright eversince. I don't know whether anyone has the time to read all this, but has anyone experienced it in Snow Leopard? Ken Arnoldi From paul at durrant.co.uk Sun Dec 27 10:22:38 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:22:38 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iMac non starter In-Reply-To: <212C42B2-BB9E-4042-93A1-703FD6CC6D00@virgin.net> References: <212C42B2-BB9E-4042-93A1-703FD6CC6D00@virgin.net> Message-ID: <32000DA7-16EC-4BA2-B03E-0192488D1889@durrant.co.uk> How very strange. The black rectangle is a kernel crash, which should never happen. Not starting up afterwards is even more mysterious. But unless it happens again, I'd tend to ignore it. regards, Paul On 27 Dec 2009, at 10:06, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > Yesterday, for the first time in 9 months ownership, my iMac running > Snow Leopard would not boot up. I got the dreaded black rectangle with > instructions in several languages, to hold power button and restart. I > tried this several times with no effect. I then held the option key > and restarted. This produced 2 HD images i.e The Mac OS disk and a > Windows ( bootcamp) disk. I then selected the mac one and it started > OK and has been alright eversince. I don't know whether anyone has the > time to read all this, but has anyone experienced it in Snow Leopard? From munkt0n at gmail.com Sun Dec 27 10:22:48 2009 From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:22:48 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] iMac non starter In-Reply-To: <212C42B2-BB9E-4042-93A1-703FD6CC6D00@virgin.net> References: <212C42B2-BB9E-4042-93A1-703FD6CC6D00@virgin.net> Message-ID: Hi Ken, the black rectangle thing is a 'kernel panic' - the Mac equivalent of window's blue screen of death. This usually means that something went wrong at a very low level. This could mean a hardware fault or something wrong with a software driver, as you were able to successfully reboot I'm guessing it was a temporary software fault. Holding down the option key when booting pops up the boot device menu, it doesn't do anything special, like safe mode, so this is another indication that it was a temporary software fault. I would run 'repair disk permissions' in disk utility, there should be a log entry detailing what went wrong, but these tend to be very verbose and hard to read, if you're interested this can be read using console.app If it happens again, try booting in safe mode (hold down shift when booting) if it boots ok in safemode then it's fair to assume it's a software problem. On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > Hello, > > Yesterday, for the first time in 9 months ownership, my iMac running > Snow Leopard would not boot up. I got the dreaded black rectangle with > instructions in several languages, to hold power button and restart. I > tried this several times with no effect. I then held the option key > and restarted. This produced 2 HD images i.e The Mac OS disk and a > Windows ( bootcamp) disk. I then selected the mac one and it started > OK and has been alright eversince. I don't know whether anyone has the > time to read all this, but has anyone experienced it in Snow Leopard? > > Ken Arnoldi > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > -- :wq From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Sun Dec 27 10:48:13 2009 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:48:13 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Kernal panic Message-ID: <05046B5F-2565-4111-AA1A-DD6DAE87FD38@virgin.net> Thanks for speedy response. I think, as suggested, that I shall ignore it unless it happens again! Ken From davewitham at aol.com Sun Dec 27 12:00:37 2009 From: davewitham at aol.com (davewitham at aol.com) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 07:00:37 -0500 Subject: [NMUG] Installation of new Imac Message-ID: <8CC550356409094-A8D0-37949@webmail-d017.sysops.aol.com> Hi All. I'm thinking of buying a new Imac and letting my better half have my, 18 month old Imac unit. Is there a Mac guru out there who is willing and able to come to Overstrand, near Cromer, to install my new machine, and do the necessary to set up my old machine on my wife's desk. I'm obviously willing to pass over a little of the folding stuff for the time and trouble taken. I could try to do it myself, but at our time of life, a sweet, trouble free, seamless existence, is paramount to my golf swing! From fowler.j at mac.com Sun Dec 27 13:27:12 2009 From: fowler.j at mac.com (Jonathan Fowler) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 13:27:12 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Installation of new Imac In-Reply-To: <8CC550356409094-A8D0-37949@webmail-d017.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CC550356409094-A8D0-37949@webmail-d017.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <0EB38A2B-58A2-4EB3-BF32-5381BC45784A@mac.com> Hi Dave I did get your voicemail. Sorry with Xmas and boxing day it has been hectic. Plenty of people waking up to a shiny new mac Christmas morning! I will call you in the week and I'm happy to come and install your new and old machines. Jon Apple Solutions Consultant PCW Norwich Sent from my iPhone On 27 Dec 2009, at 12:00, davewitham at aol.com wrote: > Hi All. I'm thinking of buying a new Imac and letting my better half > have my, 18 month old Imac unit. Is there a Mac guru out there who > is willing and able to come to Overstrand, near Cromer, to install > my new machine, and do the necessary to set up my old machine on my > wife's desk. I'm obviously willing to pass over a little of the > folding stuff for the time and trouble taken. I could try to do it > myself, but at our time of life, a sweet, trouble free, seamless > existence, is paramount to my golf swing! > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Mon Dec 28 11:37:19 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:37:19 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] FYI:Think Broadband ISP Customer Service Awards Message-ID: http://tinyurl.com/ISPleague Robbie From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk Mon Dec 28 12:34:58 2009 From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:34:58 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] safari In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Robbie and Gordon but I regret I cannot get a second page up, sometimes the screen flickers and also a folder in the Bookmarks is named on the line above. i However, my original ploy of holding down cmd as I click on the bookmark now makes it work as I want it?when on a page I take that action for another page which opens and the other does not close. Anthony On 24 Dec 2009, at 19:12, Robbie Murray wrote: > cmd & T = New tab? > > Robbie > > On 24 Dec 2009, at 18:50, Anthony Brahams wrote: > > I cannot get more than one window open in Safari. I want to see two > sites at once, as I used to but cannot now. Must be missing something, > what, please? Using iMac 10..5.8, Safari 4.04. > > Thanks. > Anthony > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From alanbarber at mac.com Mon Dec 28 13:02:01 2009 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:02:01 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] islate? Message-ID: More about the mac tablet? http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/first-the-ipod-then-the-iphone-so-is-apple-about-to-launch-islate-1851449.html Regards Alan From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Mon Dec 28 15:27:11 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:27:11 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] islate? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > More about the mac tablet? TOOOOO Expensive!! > http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/first-the-ipod-then-the-iphone-so-is-apple-about-to-launch-islate-1851449.html > Regards From paul at durrant.co.uk Mon Dec 28 15:48:14 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:48:14 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] islate? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <22E8962B-BE24-4EDB-9D46-109CFD356947@durrant.co.uk> On 28 Dec 2009, at 15:27, Martin Fry wrote: >> >> More about the mac tablet? > > TOOOOO Expensive!! > ALL rumour. No-one has any hard info on what, if anything, is going to be announced. regards. Paul From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Tue Dec 29 10:47:00 2009 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:47:00 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Partitioning an 'in use' HD Message-ID: Hello, can someone please tell me if it's possible to partition a Hard Disk, that has Tiger, into 2 parts so that a bootable OS9 can be installed. And without erasing (or loosing!) the contents of the present disk? Ken Arnoldi From macman at f2s.com Tue Dec 29 11:16:25 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:16:25 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Partitioning an 'in use' HD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I seem to remember it was one of dear Simon's obsessions, probably using some obscure 3rd party software, and someone may well have an answer, but it's not something I would even consider, Ken - much simpler, surely, to back everything up then simply reformat, partition, restore to one partition and and install your OS9 on the other? Robbie On 29 Dec 2009, at 10:47, Ken Arnoldi wrote: Hello, can someone please tell me if it's possible to partition a Hard Disk, that has Tiger, into 2 parts so that a bootable OS9 can be installed. And without erasing (or loosing!) the contents of the present disk? Ken Arnoldi _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ferrers_young at hotmail.com Tue Dec 29 11:35:49 2009 From: ferrers_young at hotmail.com (Ferrers Young) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:35:49 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Partitioning an 'in use' HD In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: This has been my approach... If a third parrty product is used and it messes something up, it may be awhile before it reveals itself only some months later.... If I were to do any disk medling, I would always backup every thing first any way. I guess Ken, you'll be doing this but are worried that you will then have a single point of failure - ie the backup. Perhaps a good excuse to burn everyting to DVD as well - these can then be stored off-site JIC computer hardware suffers fire, gets stolen, etc. To boot up from OS9, your mac needs to have a G3 or G4 processor (or earlier if not 9.2.2).? My iMac G5 will not boot from OS9 or OSX 10.2 - I have tried it, so unless you are G3 or G4 is there a need? Cheers, Ferrers ---------------------------------------- > From: macman at f2s.com > To: nmug at nmug.org.uk > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:16:25 +0000 > Subject: Re: [NMUG] Partitioning an 'in use' HD > > I seem to remember it was one of dear Simon's obsessions, probably > using some obscure 3rd party software, and someone may well have an > answer, but it's not something I would even consider, Ken - much > simpler, surely, to back everything up then simply reformat, > partition, restore to one partition and and install your OS9 on the > other? > > Robbie > > On 29 Dec 2009, at 10:47, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > > > Hello, > can someone please tell me if it's possible to partition a Hard Disk, > that has Tiger, into 2 parts so that a bootable OS9 can be installed. > And without erasing (or loosing!) the contents of the present disk? > > Ken Arnoldi > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _________________________________________________________________ Have more than one Hotmail account? Link them together to easily access both http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394591/direct/01/ From paul at durrant.co.uk Tue Dec 29 11:52:29 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:52:29 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Partitioning an 'in use' HD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 29 Dec 2009, at 10:47, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > can someone please tell me if it's possible to partition a Hard Disk, > that has Tiger, into 2 parts so that a bootable OS9 can be installed. > And without erasing (or loosing!) the contents of the present disk? As others have said, it's best to back everything up and repartition using Apple's software. However, there is third party software that will probably do what you want - it's called iPartition http://www.coriolis-systems.com/iPartition.php DO make sure you have a full backup before using it. regards, Paul From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Tue Dec 29 12:53:18 2009 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:53:18 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Partitioning Message-ID: Thanks to all who responded. I will backup and think hard before doing anything, especially as the Mac (a G4 PowerBook) is not mine! Ken From lizbarnard at btinternet.com Tue Dec 29 16:25:46 2009 From: lizbarnard at btinternet.com (Liz) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:25:46 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Burning a cd from iPhoto Message-ID: I seem not to be able to copy individual images on to cd without also getting either my entire iPhoto library on it or my entire desktop. As there is lots of confidential stuff on both I don?t want to pass them on. I have followed the instructions to use Finder and ?burn 12 items to disc...? but it burns EVERYTHING! I have saved the items in a folder to both ?Pictures? and to ?Documents? and the same thing happens each time. I?ve now got through four cd?s without being able to isolate just the images I want to pass on. What?s the answer? (It certainly isn?t in the iPhoto tutorials or ?help? function.) Liz From macman at f2s.com Tue Dec 29 16:33:15 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:33:15 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Burning a cd from iPhoto In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <67DDF441-2FD7-4410-8614-6DE0F75A7B83@f2s.com> I've always simply grabbed and dragged the relevant images from iPhoto into a folder on the desktop, then navigate to that folder and choose all inside .... Robbie On 29 Dec 2009, at 16:25, Liz wrote: I seem not to be able to copy individual images on to cd without also getting either my entire iPhoto library on it or my entire desktop. As there is lots of confidential stuff on both I don?t want to pass them on. I have followed the instructions to use Finder and ?burn 12 items to disc...? but it burns EVERYTHING! I have saved the items in a folder to both ?Pictures? and to ?Documents? and the same thing happens each time. I?ve now got through four cd?s without being able to isolate just the images I want to pass on. What?s the answer? (It certainly isn?t in the iPhoto tutorials or ?help? function.) Liz _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk Tue Dec 29 16:36:07 2009 From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:36:07 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Burning a cd from iPhoto In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Liz Go back to the desk top Open file on the top bar, on the pull down menu you will find "new burn folder" create this folder on the desk top. Open Iphoto and drag what you want to burn onto a CD into the burn folder. Insert CD and burn folder to CD. OK? Michael Woodhouse mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ On 29 Dec 2009, at 16:25, Liz wrote: > I seem not to be able to copy individual images on to cd without also > getting either my entire iPhoto library on it or my entire desktop. > As > there is lots of confidential stuff on both I don?t want to pass > them on. > > I have followed the instructions to use Finder and ?burn 12 items to > disc...? but it burns EVERYTHING! I have saved the items in a > folder to > both ?Pictures? and to ?Documents? and the same thing happens each > time. > > I?ve now got through four cd?s without being able to isolate just > the images > I want to pass on. What?s the answer? (It certainly isn?t in the > iPhoto > tutorials or ?help? function.) > > Liz > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From nathan.crosby at virgin.net Tue Dec 29 18:08:07 2009 From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:08:07 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Burning a cd from iPhoto In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Liz, for years I have used Toast 6. which doesn't seem to need updating for new Os's Just put the pictures you want in a folder on the desktop and drag the folder into the toast window. Nat On 29 Dec 2009, at 16:25, Liz wrote: > I seem not to be able to copy individual images on to cd without also > getting either my entire iPhoto library on it or my entire desktop. As > there is lots of confidential stuff on both I don?t want to pass them on. > > I have followed the instructions to use Finder and ?burn 12 items to > disc...? but it burns EVERYTHING! I have saved the items in a folder to > both ?Pictures? and to ?Documents? and the same thing happens each time. > > I?ve now got through four cd?s without being able to isolate just the images > I want to pass on. What?s the answer? (It certainly isn?t in the iPhoto > tutorials or ?help? function.) > > Liz > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From hidunc at ntlworld.com Tue Dec 29 18:47:28 2009 From: hidunc at ntlworld.com (J L Duncan Bradford) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:47:28 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Partitioning an 'in use' HD Message-ID: <0692654F-21F5-479C-A1D6-1B6036821F79@ntlworld.com> As Paul says: [ I paraphrase] "No Hesitation - Repartition, or Deviation. -------------- next part -------------- From macman at f2s.com Tue Dec 29 19:53:19 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:53:19 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Partitioning an 'in use' HD In-Reply-To: <0692654F-21F5-479C-A1D6-1B6036821F79@ntlworld.com> References: <0692654F-21F5-479C-A1D6-1B6036821F79@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <7FA83B6C-96DE-487D-A7AB-2F00D3C1ACE0@f2s.com> In 60 seconds? Robbie On 29 Dec 2009, at 18:47, J L Duncan Bradford wrote: As Paul says: [ I paraphrase] "No Hesitation - Repartition, or Deviation. _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mail at edmarlodge.co.uk Wed Dec 30 10:20:11 2009 From: mail at edmarlodge.co.uk (Raymond Paine) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:20:11 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard items missing Message-ID: Hi all. Can anyone help with the following problem. I recently purchased 15" MacBook Pro the software is OS X 10.6.2. From my other computer a G5 intel Mac Pro with OS X 10.4 Tiger I recently migrated information from the G5 to my new MacBook using migration assistant. The final result has confused me as I have missing items on the dock i.e.. Downloads icon Document Stack Icon and the applications icon. Also the desktop colours have also transferred from my Tiger software and some layouts are mixed. Can anyone explain what may have happened and how can I change settings to run as Snow Leopard. Ray. From ricnev at mac.com Wed Dec 30 10:45:42 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:45:42 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard items missing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83C76A01-586F-437C-9369-8B898C511220@mac.com> Hi, Raymond. I think what has happened is that the migration assisstant thought you wanted your new computer screen to look similar to your old one. To get 'Documents' and 'Downloads' stacks back you just need to drag the relevant folders form your Home folder (found by going to the Finder, then opening your 'home' folder - Documents and Downloads folders should be in there). The place you need to drag them to is the space just to the left of your Trash Basket. You can select the way your Desktop looks by going to the Apple (top left of your screen) >System Preferences>Desktop and Screensaver and selecting one of the many choices under the Desktop tab. I'm not sure what you mean by 'application' icon, or when you say some layouts are mixed. On 30 Dec 2009, at 10:20, Raymond Paine wrote: > Hi all. > Can anyone help with the following problem. > I recently purchased 15" MacBook Pro the software is OS X 10.6.2. >> From my other computer a G5 intel Mac Pro with OS X 10.4 Tiger > I recently migrated information from the G5 to my new MacBook > using migration assistant. > The final result has confused me as I have missing items on the dock > i.e.. Downloads icon Document Stack Icon and the applications icon. Also the desktop > colours have also transferred from my Tiger software and some layouts are > mixed. > Can anyone explain what may have happened and how can I change settings to > run as Snow Leopard. > > > > Ray. > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From fowler.j at mac.com Wed Dec 30 10:53:30 2009 From: fowler.j at mac.com (Jonathan Fowler) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:53:30 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] MacBook pro CTO Message-ID: For anybody that is interested, I have an exclusive offer on a configure to order MacBook pro. It is the 13" MB990, 2.26ghz core 2 duo processor, 4gb DDR3 RAM, 250gb hard drive. For just ?999. It is exclusive to PCW with apple SiS. Please feel free to call me if you are interested. Jon Fowler Apple Solutions Consultant PCW Norwich 07894949043 Sent from my iPhone From fowler.j at mac.com Wed Dec 30 11:07:25 2009 From: fowler.j at mac.com (Jonathan Fowler) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:07:25 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] MacBook pro CTO In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <73A0E7A4-2AE9-4E01-A7DE-D51FD6F4A68E@mac.com> I have about 30 of these in stock with free office or iWork. Jon Sent from my iPhone On 30 Dec 2009, at 10:53, Jonathan Fowler wrote: > For anybody that is interested, I have an exclusive offer on a > configure to order MacBook pro. > It is the 13" MB990, 2.26ghz core 2 duo processor, 4gb DDR3 RAM, 250gb > hard drive. For just ?999. > > It is exclusive to PCW with apple SiS. > Please feel free to call me if you are interested. > > Jon Fowler > Apple Solutions Consultant > PCW Norwich > 07894949043 > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From paul at durrant.co.uk Wed Dec 30 11:23:37 2009 From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:23:37 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] MacBook pro CTO In-Reply-To: <73A0E7A4-2AE9-4E01-A7DE-D51FD6F4A68E@mac.com> References: <73A0E7A4-2AE9-4E01-A7DE-D51FD6F4A68E@mac.com> Message-ID: It sounds like a decent offer. Looking at the on-line store, (customising to 4GB/250GB/iWork), that's a saving of ?74. And you can't do a lot better buying the base models and third-party upgrades. 4GB from Crucial costs ?78.19 (Apple ?80), and a 250GB 5400rpm 2.5" SATA disk from Dabs is ?35 (Apple ?40). Paul On 30 Dec 2009, at 11:07, Jonathan Fowler wrote: > I have about 30 of these in stock with free office or iWork. > > Jon > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 30 Dec 2009, at 10:53, Jonathan Fowler wrote: > >> For anybody that is interested, I have an exclusive offer on a >> configure to order MacBook pro. >> It is the 13" MB990, 2.26ghz core 2 duo processor, 4gb DDR3 RAM, >> 250gb >> hard drive. For just ?999. >> >> It is exclusive to PCW with apple SiS. >> Please feel free to call me if you are interested. >> >> Jon Fowler >> Apple Solutions Consultant >> PCW Norwich >> 07894949043 >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From mail at edmarlodge.co.uk Wed Dec 30 17:05:54 2009 From: mail at edmarlodge.co.uk (Raymond Paine) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 17:05:54 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard items missing. Message-ID: Hi Richard, Many thanks for your reply and suggestions. With your help I found the answers. The other layout items were toolbar settings needed. Again many thanks Ray. From david at vanedwards.co.uk Wed Dec 30 21:49:12 2009 From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:49:12 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] running PC apps on an iMac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear All, A friend of mine is considering coming over from the dark side but wondering how best to set up an Intel iMac to run the Microsoft Office suite and Sibelius music publishing software that he's committed to. Any advice welcome. Does he set up a seperate partition and run Windows in it or run Parallels etc? Best wishes, David -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk From ricnev at mac.com Wed Dec 30 22:23:33 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:23:33 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] running PC apps on an iMac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BEA7059-5706-4747-8CF3-8A05B1F5ACED@mac.com> There is a Home and Student Mac version of Microsoft Office 2008 he could use: http://store.apple.com/uk/product/TQ744LL/A Sibelius 6 is available in an OS X version too. If he needs to run anything else on Windows, he can install XP/Vista/Windows 7 (shortly) via BootCamp which is supplied with every new Mac. On 30 Dec 2009, at 21:49, David Van Edwards wrote: > Dear All, > > A friend of mine is considering coming over from the dark side but > wondering how best to set up an Intel iMac to run the Microsoft > Office suite and Sibelius music publishing software that he's > committed to. > > Any advice welcome. Does he set up a seperate partition and run > Windows in it or run Parallels etc? > > Best wishes, > > David > -- > The Smokehouse, > 6 Whitwell Road, > Norwich, NR1 4HB > England. > > Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 > Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From ricnev at mac.com Wed Dec 30 22:28:47 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:28:47 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] running PC apps on an iMac In-Reply-To: <4BEA7059-5706-4747-8CF3-8A05B1F5ACED@mac.com> References: <4BEA7059-5706-4747-8CF3-8A05B1F5ACED@mac.com> Message-ID: <6C705474-49EF-4AB8-B491-98A7A4C3370B@mac.com> On 30 Dec 2009, at 22:23, Richard Nevill wrote: > There is a Home and Student Mac version of Microsoft Office 2008 he could use: http://store.apple.com/uk/product/TQ744LL/A > > Sibelius 6 is available in an OS X version too. > > If he needs to run anything else on Windows, he can install XP/Vista/Windows 7 (shortly) via BootCamp which is supplied with every new Mac. Just to add - BootCamp is really just a very simple way of partitioning the Mac hard drive to take another operating system and load the necessary drivers to interface with the Mac hardware. It makes the whole dual boot system very easy to setup and use. > > > On 30 Dec 2009, at 21:49, David Van Edwards wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> A friend of mine is considering coming over from the dark side but >> wondering how best to set up an Intel iMac to run the Microsoft >> Office suite and Sibelius music publishing software that he's >> committed to. >> >> Any advice welcome. Does he set up a seperate partition and run >> Windows in it or run Parallels etc? >> >> Best wishes, >> >> David >> -- >> The Smokehouse, >> 6 Whitwell Road, >> Norwich, NR1 4HB >> England. >> >> Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 >> Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > Richard Nevill > ricnev at mac.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From macman at f2s.com Wed Dec 30 22:28:52 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:28:52 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] running PC apps on an iMac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19BF3B35-5EB0-4F83-BBA2-4C1CF8744D0D@f2s.com> Hi David I've been running the free Release Candidate of Windows 7 on my Intel iMac for several months using Sun Virtual Box, which as far as I can see, does everything that Parallels and VM Fusion do, but is free, and allows both systems to run on the same partition at the same time, unlike Boot Camp. Haven't done anything serious with it, but it seems to work fine. Only problem I recall was getting the printer configured, but I didn't really try, as I have no desire or need to use Windows - really only installed it out of curiosity, but I'm sure it can be done! http://tinyurl.com/6qvmjg Hope this helps Robbie On 30 Dec 2009, at 21:49, David Van Edwards wrote: Dear All, A friend of mine is considering coming over from the dark side but wondering how best to set up an Intel iMac to run the Microsoft Office suite and Sibelius music publishing software that he's committed to. Any advice welcome. Does he set up a seperate partition and run Windows in it or run Parallels etc? Best wishes, David -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net Wed Dec 30 22:30:42 2009 From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:30:42 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] running PC apps on an iMac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FC97FDC-8730-40F6-9FC3-381F6A4A2BC9@virgin.net> Hello David, Probably the easiest way is to use Bootcamp- supplied wit Leopard. A Windows System disk will of course be required. Installing instructions come with Bootcamp. An alternative (free) is VB or Virtual Box. This has the advantage of switching from Mac to Windows without rebooting. As you say Parallels is a third option. Ken Arnoldi On 30 Dec 2009, at 09:49 PM, David Van Edwards wrote: > Dear All, > > A friend of mine is considering coming over from the dark side but > wondering how best to set up an Intel iMac to run the Microsoft > Office suite and Sibelius music publishing software that he's > committed to. > > Any advice welcome. Does he set up a seperate partition and run > Windows in it or run Parallels etc? > > Best wishes, > > David > -- > The Smokehouse, > 6 Whitwell Road, > Norwich, NR1 4HB > England. > > Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 > Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From david at vanedwards.co.uk Wed Dec 30 22:36:20 2009 From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:36:20 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] running PC apps on an iMac In-Reply-To: <19BF3B35-5EB0-4F83-BBA2-4C1CF8744D0D@f2s.com> References: <19BF3B35-5EB0-4F83-BBA2-4C1CF8744D0D@f2s.com> Message-ID: Dear Robbie, Ken and Richard, Thanks a million, I knew you'd all come up trumps! I'll pass on all your advice to him and hopefully he'll see sense! He saw Thea's iMac the other day and was very impressed. Very best wishes to all you helpful people for the New Year. David >Hi David > >I've been running the free Release Candidate of Windows 7 on my Intel >iMac for several months using Sun Virtual Box, which as far as I can >see, does everything that Parallels and VM Fusion do, but is free, >and allows both systems to run on the same partition at the same >time, unlike Boot Camp. > >Haven't done anything serious with it, but it seems to work fine. >Only problem I recall was getting the printer configured, but I didn't >really try, as I have no desire or need to use Windows - really only >installed it out of curiosity, but I'm sure it can be done! > >http://tinyurl.com/6qvmjg > >Hope this helps > > >Robbie > > > >On 30 Dec 2009, at 21:49, David Van Edwards wrote: > >Dear All, > >A friend of mine is considering coming over from the dark side but >wondering how best to set up an Intel iMac to run the Microsoft >Office suite and Sibelius music publishing software that he's >committed to. > >Any advice welcome. Does he set up a seperate partition and run >Windows in it or run Parallels etc? > >Best wishes, > >David >-- >The Smokehouse, >6 Whitwell Road, >Norwich, NR1 4HB >England. > >Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 >Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk > > >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk From penguinsplj at me.com Wed Dec 30 23:21:01 2009 From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 23:21:01 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] running PC apps on an iMac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C456D8D-BA52-4140-A626-09E730CAB556@me.com> On Dec 30, 2009, at 21:49, David Van Edwards wrote: > A friend of mine is considering coming over from the dark side but > wondering how best to set up an Intel iMac to run the Microsoft > Office suite and Sibelius music publishing software that he's > committed to. Adding to all the other advice you have been given, depending on what PC program they wish to run you might even be able to run it on a modern Mac without having a version of Windows installed. I have run a few programs using Crossover including Family Historian and a game called Baldur's Gate. Much cheaper than buying a version of Windows and very easy to run within our friendly Mac environment. Paul C From ferrers_young at hotmail.com Thu Dec 31 00:43:43 2009 From: ferrers_young at hotmail.com (Ferrers Young) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 00:43:43 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] running PC apps on an iMac In-Reply-To: <6C705474-49EF-4AB8-B491-98A7A4C3370B@mac.com> References: , , , <4BEA7059-5706-4747-8CF3-8A05B1F5ACED@mac.com>, <6C705474-49EF-4AB8-B491-98A7A4C3370B@mac.com> Message-ID: Be aware that Microsoft Office 2008 for Mac, does not support Visual Basic Macros though!!! Hard to believe, but true - that's why I purchased Microsoft Office 2004 for Mac. (secondhand copies are available for sale - the product comes with a licence to install on up to three machines and Microsoft are still issuing updates for it). I'm informed that it runs on an Intel Mac using Apple's Rosetta emulation. Ferrers > From: ricnev at mac.com > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 22:28:47 +0000 > To: nmug at nmug.org.uk > Subject: Re: [NMUG] running PC apps on an iMac > > > On 30 Dec 2009, at 22:23, Richard Nevill wrote: > > > There is a Home and Student Mac version of Microsoft Office 2008 he could use: http://store.apple.com/uk/product/TQ744LL/A > > > > Sibelius 6 is available in an OS X version too. > > > > If he needs to run anything else on Windows, he can install XP/Vista/Windows 7 (shortly) via BootCamp which is supplied with every new Mac. > > Just to add - BootCamp is really just a very simple way of partitioning the Mac hard drive to take another operating system and load the necessary drivers to interface with the Mac hardware. It makes the whole dual boot system very easy to setup and use. > > > > > > > On 30 Dec 2009, at 21:49, David Van Edwards wrote: > > > >> Dear All, > >> > >> A friend of mine is considering coming over from the dark side but > >> wondering how best to set up an Intel iMac to run the Microsoft > >> Office suite and Sibelius music publishing software that he's > >> committed to. > >> > >> Any advice welcome. Does he set up a seperate partition and run > >> Windows in it or run Parallels etc? > >> > >> Best wishes, > >> > >> David > >> -- > >> The Smokehouse, > >> 6 Whitwell Road, > >> Norwich, NR1 4HB > >> England. > >> > >> Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 > >> Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > > > Richard Nevill > > ricnev at mac.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > > Richard Nevill > ricnev at mac.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _________________________________________________________________ Add your Gmail and Yahoo! Mail email accounts into Hotmail - it's easy http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/186394592/direct/01/ From kj.westgate at ntlworld.com Thu Dec 31 10:12:47 2009 From: kj.westgate at ntlworld.com (Kerin Westgate) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 10:12:47 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] running PC apps on an iMac In-Reply-To: <4FC97FDC-8730-40F6-9FC3-381F6A4A2BC9@virgin.net> References: <4FC97FDC-8730-40F6-9FC3-381F6A4A2BC9@virgin.net> Message-ID: Hi, Just been reading about Virtual Box and everyone and everything says how easy it is to install Windows etc on your Mac, but how easy is it to remove the OS, do you just delete folder/s Kind regards Kerin On 30 Dec 2009, at 22:30, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > Hello David, > Probably the easiest way is to use Bootcamp- supplied wit Leopard. > A Windows System disk will of course > be required. Installing instructions come with Bootcamp. > An alternative (free) is VB or Virtual Box. This has the advantage of > switching from Mac to Windows without rebooting. As you say Parallels > is a third option. > > Ken Arnoldi > > On 30 Dec 2009, at 09:49 PM, David Van Edwards > wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> A friend of mine is considering coming over from the dark side but >> wondering how best to set up an Intel iMac to run the Microsoft >> Office suite and Sibelius music publishing software that he's >> committed to. >> >> Any advice welcome. Does he set up a seperate partition and run >> Windows in it or run Parallels etc? >> >> Best wishes, >> >> David >> -- >> The Smokehouse, >> 6 Whitwell Road, >> Norwich, NR1 4HB >> England. >> >> Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 >> Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From macman at f2s.com Thu Dec 31 10:42:53 2009 From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 10:42:53 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] running PC apps on an iMac In-Reply-To: References: <4FC97FDC-8730-40F6-9FC3-381F6A4A2BC9@virgin.net> Message-ID: http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=25578 to remove Windows Run the ?VirtualBox_Uninstall.tool? that comes with the VirtualBox DMG file to remove Virtual Box Robbie On 31 Dec 2009, at 10:12, Kerin Westgate wrote: Hi, Just been reading about Virtual Box and everyone and everything says how easy it is to install Windows etc on your Mac, but how easy is it to remove the OS, do you just delete folder/s Kind regards Kerin On 30 Dec 2009, at 22:30, Ken Arnoldi wrote: > Hello David, > Probably the easiest way is to use Bootcamp- supplied wit Leopard. > A Windows System disk will of course > be required. Installing instructions come with Bootcamp. > An alternative (free) is VB or Virtual Box. This has the advantage of > switching from Mac to Windows without rebooting. As you say Parallels > is a third option. > > Ken Arnoldi > > On 30 Dec 2009, at 09:49 PM, David Van Edwards > wrote: > >> Dear All, >> >> A friend of mine is considering coming over from the dark side but >> wondering how best to set up an Intel iMac to run the Microsoft >> Office suite and Sibelius music publishing software that he's >> committed to. >> >> Any advice welcome. Does he set up a seperate partition and run >> Windows in it or run Parallels etc? >> >> Best wishes, >> >> David >> -- >> The Smokehouse, >> 6 Whitwell Road, >> Norwich, NR1 4HB >> England. >> >> Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 >> Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >> Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug _______________________________________________ Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From alanbarber at mac.com Thu Dec 31 12:14:50 2009 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:14:50 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] limewirw Message-ID: <8699C168-DFC0-478C-85A3-D0EDDDEE3950@mac.com> A colleague at work cannot uninstall Limewire from her imac G5. Apparently it cannot be removed from the dock nor the app removed. She has installed a 2nd app which is working. Any ideas on removing the original app completely Thanks Regards Alan From alan at asw6000.plus.com Thu Dec 31 12:34:23 2009 From: alan at asw6000.plus.com (Alan Williams) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:34:23 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] limewirw In-Reply-To: <8699C168-DFC0-478C-85A3-D0EDDDEE3950@mac.com> References: <8699C168-DFC0-478C-85A3-D0EDDDEE3950@mac.com> Message-ID: You could try using Appzapper which I think is a free programme . Alan On 31 Dec 2009, at 12:14, Alan Barber wrote: > A colleague at work cannot uninstall Limewire from her imac G5. > Apparently it cannot be removed from the dock nor the app removed. > She has installed a 2nd app which is working. > Any ideas on removing the original app completely > Thanks > Regards > > Alan > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Alan Williams alan at asw6000.plus.com From ricnev at mac.com Thu Dec 31 12:40:57 2009 From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 12:40:57 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] limewirw In-Reply-To: <8699C168-DFC0-478C-85A3-D0EDDDEE3950@mac.com> References: <8699C168-DFC0-478C-85A3-D0EDDDEE3950@mac.com> Message-ID: <3BEA3A57-A5ED-4731-8C8E-5804496EB80C@mac.com> She needs to uninstall both copies then re-install the latest one. If the uninstaller mentioned by Alan Williams does't do the job, here is an explanation of how to uninstall Limewire manually: http://www.gnutellaforums.com/general-mac-support/53805-help-brother-out.html On 31 Dec 2009, at 12:14, Alan Barber wrote: > A colleague at work cannot uninstall Limewire from her imac G5. > Apparently it cannot be removed from the dock nor the app removed. > She has installed a 2nd app which is working. > Any ideas on removing the original app completely > Thanks > Regards > > Alan > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Richard Nevill ricnev at mac.com From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Thu Dec 31 13:23:00 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:23:00 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Paypal Message-ID: <292AD9A3-2F0D-460C-A5AD-126FD3B313A9@virgin.net> I am doing my years accounts and need to know how much PayPal charge for transactions on sales please Regards Martin Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com From penguinsplj at me.com Thu Dec 31 13:44:12 2009 From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:44:12 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Paypal In-Reply-To: <292AD9A3-2F0D-460C-A5AD-126FD3B313A9@virgin.net> References: <292AD9A3-2F0D-460C-A5AD-126FD3B313A9@virgin.net> Message-ID: <6F2047DB-3F2B-4BC7-8F3C-40AAFDB60421@me.com> On Dec 31, 2009, at 13:23, Martin Fry wrote: > I am doing my years accounts and need to know how much PayPal charge > for transactions on sales please Try here for the normal fees and there is a link to other fees like cross border transactions. Paul C From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Thu Dec 31 13:46:39 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:46:39 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Paypal References: <292AD9A3-2F0D-460C-A5AD-126FD3B313A9@virgin.net> Message-ID: <5968D658-E668-48B1-98B3-9BEA27421ADB@virgin.net> > I am doing my years accounts and need to know how much PayPal charge > for transactions on sales please On PayPal's website they state; 1.4% to 3.4% + ?0.20 GBP* But I can't find out how they work out which rate to charge for what amounts. I have their standard business account! > > Regards > > Martin > > > Martin Fry > www.martinfryphotography.com > > From david at vanedwards.co.uk Thu Dec 31 13:45:36 2009 From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:45:36 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Paypal In-Reply-To: <292AD9A3-2F0D-460C-A5AD-126FD3B313A9@virgin.net> References: <292AD9A3-2F0D-460C-A5AD-126FD3B313A9@virgin.net> Message-ID: Dear Martin, If you log on, then go to the details of each transaction it will tell you how much commission they've taken. This varies according to whether a credit or debit card was used so you do need to check each transaction, which is of course a bore! It also varies according to how much business you do with them. I think there's an option to download your account history somewhere. But it's not that easy to find. Personally I do my accounts just as moneys received [ie. after their commission] to avoid having to list all their fees separately. It comes to the same thing for the Inland Revenue because the bank charges are a fully allowable expense. Best wishes, David At 13:23 +0000 31/12/09, Martin Fry wrote: >I am doing my years accounts and need to know how much PayPal charge >for transactions on sales please > >Regards > >Martin > > >Martin Fry >www.martinfryphotography.com > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk >Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug -- The Smokehouse, 6 Whitwell Road, Norwich, NR1 4HB England. Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899 Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Thu Dec 31 13:55:49 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:55:49 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Paypal In-Reply-To: <6F2047DB-3F2B-4BC7-8F3C-40AAFDB60421@me.com> References: <292AD9A3-2F0D-460C-A5AD-126FD3B313A9@virgin.net> <6F2047DB-3F2B-4BC7-8F3C-40AAFDB60421@me.com> Message-ID: <8F15645A-79D7-45C4-B5DB-94F643DC804A@virgin.net> Hi Paul This is similar to the PayPal pages I looked at and they say exactly the same "1.4% to 3.4% + ?0.20 GBP*" I really need to know what is charged at 1.4% and what at 3.4%. I don't think the Taxman would accept a blanket general 2.4% average on web sales. Regards Martin > Try here for the normal fees and there is a link to other fees like > cross border transactions. > > > From penguinsplj at me.com Thu Dec 31 14:02:59 2009 From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:02:59 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Paypal In-Reply-To: <5968D658-E668-48B1-98B3-9BEA27421ADB@virgin.net> References: <292AD9A3-2F0D-460C-A5AD-126FD3B313A9@virgin.net> <5968D658-E668-48B1-98B3-9BEA27421ADB@virgin.net> Message-ID: On Dec 31, 2009, at 13:46, Martin Fry wrote: > On PayPal's website they state; 1.4% to 3.4% + ?0.20 GBP* > > But I can't find out how they work out which rate to charge for what > amounts. If you click on the part that says "1.4% to 3.4% + ?0.20 GBP" it's a link to the sliding scale but I don't know if businesses are charged differently. I usually do the figures from my PayPal account on the website which shows the fees for every individual transaction as David said but I don't know how far back they keep the details if you have left it for a year. Paul C From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk Thu Dec 31 14:10:18 2009 From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:10:18 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Paypal In-Reply-To: <5968D658-E668-48B1-98B3-9BEA27421ADB@virgin.net> References: <292AD9A3-2F0D-460C-A5AD-126FD3B313A9@virgin.net> <5968D658-E668-48B1-98B3-9BEA27421ADB@virgin.net> Message-ID: Martin The amount that Pay Pal credit is net after their deduction of their variable commission rate. You should be able to deduce from your records the amount paid. You will have invoiced a sum and received a lesser amount. Total of these for the year and you can do the sum. If you need to go back into Pay pal and the history of your account will give you the same detail. You can then gross up you sales and charges accordingly. At the end of the day it will not effect your profit as you net income is what you will be taxed on. What I do is to run a simple spread sheet to show the sales and charges as they accumulate. As an aside you had better get you scates on! you're getting close to the deadline! Michael Woodhouse mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/ On 31 Dec 2009, at 13:46, Martin Fry wrote: > >> I am doing my years accounts and need to know how much PayPal charge >> for transactions on sales please > > On PayPal's website they state; 1.4% to 3.4% + ?0.20 GBP* > > But I can't find out how they work out which rate to charge for what > amounts. > > I have their standard business account! >> >> Regards >> >> Martin >> >> >> Martin Fry >> www.martinfryphotography.com >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug From penguinsplj at me.com Thu Dec 31 14:12:01 2009 From: penguinsplj at me.com (Paul Chapman) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:12:01 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Paypal In-Reply-To: References: <292AD9A3-2F0D-460C-A5AD-126FD3B313A9@virgin.net> <5968D658-E668-48B1-98B3-9BEA27421ADB@virgin.net> Message-ID: On further looking there could be other factors involved. Do you get the special merchant rate? To qualify you need to be receiving over ?1500 a month but will lose that special rate if you drop below that figure or if there are disputes outstanding. Looks like the only sure way to know the fee is to check each transaction individually at your account on the website as it could vary so much throughout the year depending on the value of the items and how much you were trading in the previous month. Paul C From martinfry.photo at virgin.net Thu Dec 31 14:35:04 2009 From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:35:04 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] Paypal In-Reply-To: References: <292AD9A3-2F0D-460C-A5AD-126FD3B313A9@virgin.net> <5968D658-E668-48B1-98B3-9BEA27421ADB@virgin.net> Message-ID: <85BA928B-1E81-426F-AD38-504509EB4914@virgin.net> Thanks to all for your help Looking at my last months transactions they all seem to be at 3.4% + 20p charges, so I will assume that all sale s are the same as unfortunately I do not turn over ?1000,s on my website yet! Regards Martin > On further looking there could be other factors involved. Do you get > the special merchant rate? To qualify you need to be receiving over > ?1500 a month but will lose that special rate if you drop below that > figure or if there are disputes outstanding. Looks like the only sure > way to know the fee is to check each transaction individually at your > account on the website as it could vary so much throughout the year > depending on the value of the items and how much you were trading in > the previous month. > > Paul C > _______________________________________________ > Send messages for NMUG list to: NMUG at nmug.org.uk > Manage your subscription at: http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug Martin Fry www.martinfryphotography.com From alanbarber at mac.com Thu Dec 31 18:36:57 2009 From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 18:36:57 +0000 Subject: [NMUG] ipod crash Message-ID: <8F9733DB-A7D5-4AE3-92B1-A295D34330A1@mac.com> Thanks for the limewire advice which I have passed on. Another workmate has an ipod touch 2nd gen which just shows a white screen. On one site it calls it the white screen of death. Its about 15 months old so out of warranty. I suggested take it back to the Apple store. Any other ideas? Regards Alan