From macman at f2s.com  Wed Apr  1 07:57:20 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 07:57:20 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Apple Store in Norwich!
In-Reply-To: <COL115-W336F711A0122DF1F1EE0AD9C8A0@phx.gbl>
References: <3DB64228-BE16-45ED-834C-92A708D5B687@aim.com>
	<COL115-W336F711A0122DF1F1EE0AD9C8A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <82A34875-BBAC-453D-81BD-9B0E397B5E7B@f2s.com>

I wouldn't get too excited: my wife found this on the feminist site  
'Avril's Premier Podcast'

"A triumph for womens' liberation!  At last, after months of lobbying,  
Apple Inc has today announced that the new UK stores planned for  
Norwich, Cardiff and Aberdeen will be staffed entirely by women.   
Acting CEO Tim Cook conceded that the Cupertino company's employment  
history could be seen to favour male employees, and these three new  
stores in smaller cities would be an ideal testbed for the  
experimental policy, which, if successful, would be introduced  
throughout its retail operations,"

Prominent activist Germaine Greer commented "I'm delighted, providing  
they're not traipsing round the store dressed as Playboy bunnies"

Robbie

On 31 Mar 2009, at 18:03, Dan Tombs wrote:


WOW

that mad news

Going to see if i can get some part time work - put my Final Cut  
trainer Certification into action!

reckon they'll be quite a bun fight over jobs there!

Dan

> From: djpalmer93 at aim.com
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:10:52 +0100
> Subject: [NMUG] Apple Store in Norwich!
>
> Hi,
>
> Just found out there's going to be an Apple store in Norwich
> Chapelfield, according to the Apple UK News page (http://www.apple.com/uk/hotnews/
> )! This will be very useful!
>
> Daniel
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From jeremyknight at mac.com  Wed Apr  1 08:35:50 2009
From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 08:35:50 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] webcam and skype advise required
Message-ID: <F5520109-E999-45EB-A9B9-F6B41E64421B@mac.com>

Moring All,
I have never been interested in video phone,but now we have just  
become grandparents for the first time.
Susie(my wife) has an Imac with a built in webcam.Her daughter has a  
pc and no webcam.
so
What webcam will be the best for them?
Where's the best( and/or cheapest) place  for Skype and are there  
different versions?
Do I need anything that is both mac and pc friendly?
how does it work i.e. how do the two computers find each other on the  
internet?
jeremy





From munkt0n at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 08:50:13 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 08:50:13 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Apple Store in Norwich!
In-Reply-To: <82A34875-BBAC-453D-81BD-9B0E397B5E7B@f2s.com>
References: <3DB64228-BE16-45ED-834C-92A708D5B687@aim.com>
	<COL115-W336F711A0122DF1F1EE0AD9C8A0@phx.gbl>
	<82A34875-BBAC-453D-81BD-9B0E397B5E7B@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0904010050x5b722ee6xb719af198f3dcc4c@mail.gmail.com>

*checks calendar*

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 7:57 AM, Robbie Murray <macman at f2s.com> wrote:
> I wouldn't get too excited: my wife found this on the feminist site
> 'Avril's Premier Podcast'
>
> "A triumph for womens' liberation! ?At last, after months of lobbying,
> Apple Inc has today announced that the new UK stores planned for
> Norwich, Cardiff and Aberdeen will be staffed entirely by women.
> Acting CEO Tim Cook conceded that the Cupertino company's employment
> history could be seen to favour male employees, and these three new
> stores in smaller cities would be an ideal testbed for the
> experimental policy, which, if successful, would be introduced
> throughout its retail operations,"
>
> Prominent activist Germaine Greer commented "I'm delighted, providing
> they're not traipsing round the store dressed as Playboy bunnies"
>
> Robbie
>
> On 31 Mar 2009, at 18:03, Dan Tombs wrote:
>
>
> WOW
>
> that mad news
>
> Going to see if i can get some part time work - put my Final Cut
> trainer Certification into action!
>
> reckon they'll be quite a bun fight over jobs there!
>
> Dan
>
>> From: djpalmer93 at aim.com
>> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
>> Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:10:52 +0100
>> Subject: [NMUG] Apple Store in Norwich!
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Just found out there's going to be an Apple store in Norwich
>> Chapelfield, according to the Apple UK News page (http://www.apple.com/uk/hotnews/
>> )! This will be very useful!
>>
>> Daniel
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/137984870/direct/01/
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>
>
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>



-- 
:wq


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Apr  1 09:04:22 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed,  1 Apr 2009 09:04:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] webcam and skype advise required
Message-ID: <WwSjGtXQ3Jgj.JWnKRTm7@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Jeremy

Any cam will work with Skype on PC and any Mac compatible cam with work with Skype Mac - although you can use macam to enable 100s of Windows only cams on the Mac, but as your wife has a built in iSight that will be fine.

All your daughter needs is Windows, download Skype and set her cam up. Then sign up for a Skype account which is free - and you to and you can talk to each other.

Then simply tell each other your Skype names or search via real name and they will stay in your Skype contacts.

Then when you Skype her she wll have a cam icon and you can do two way video chat.

As long as your broadband is fast enough, it will work fine. I video Skype people all the time.

Skype to Skype is free.

Simon

--- visit my Mac site http://www.simonroyal.co.uk or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal' (sent using Nokia E71)

-original message-
Subject: [NMUG] webcam and skype advise required
From: jeremy knight <jeremyknight at mac.com>
Date: 01/04/2009 08:36

Moring All,
I have never been interested in video phone,but now we have just  
become grandparents for the first time.
Susie(my wife) has an Imac with a built in webcam.Her daughter has a  
pc and no webcam.
so
What webcam will be the best for them?
Where's the best( and/or cheapest) place  for Skype and are there  
different versions?
Do I need anything that is both mac and pc friendly?
how does it work i.e. how do the two computers find each other on the  
internet?
jeremy



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NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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From macman at f2s.com  Wed Apr  1 09:22:52 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:22:52 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] webcam and skype advise required
In-Reply-To: <F5520109-E999-45EB-A9B9-F6B41E64421B@mac.com>
References: <F5520109-E999-45EB-A9B9-F6B41E64421B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CDB8C17E-67BE-4084-BF30-848067F3A558@f2s.com>

It's the simplest thing in the world!

1.To my knowledge, all webcams work with Windows.

2. Open Skype Accounts - it's free

http://tinyurl.com/getskypenmug

3. Search for each other by name, and allow each to contact the other

4. Start a conversation

5 Robert's the husband of your aunt .....

Robbie




On 1 Apr 2009, at 08:35, jeremy knight wrote:

Moring All,
I have never been interested in video phone,but now we have just
become grandparents for the first time.
Susie(my wife) has an Imac with a built in webcam.Her daughter has a
pc and no webcam.
so
What webcam will be the best for them?
Where's the best( and/or cheapest) place  for Skype and are there
different versions?
Do I need anything that is both mac and pc friendly?
how does it work i.e. how do the two computers find each other on the
internet?
jeremy



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NMUG at durrant.co.uk
http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From robharrington at mac.com  Wed Apr  1 09:36:14 2009
From: robharrington at mac.com (ROB HARRINGTON)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 09:36:14 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Apple Store in Norwich!
In-Reply-To: <82A34875-BBAC-453D-81BD-9B0E397B5E7B@f2s.com>
References: <3DB64228-BE16-45ED-834C-92A708D5B687@aim.com>
	<COL115-W336F711A0122DF1F1EE0AD9C8A0@phx.gbl>
	<82A34875-BBAC-453D-81BD-9B0E397B5E7B@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <E3B8E544-F572-4169-A52F-D219A43FA9E2@mac.com>

How delightfully seasonal.
Rob
On 1 Apr 2009, at 07:57, Robbie Murray wrote:

> I wouldn't get too excited: my wife found this on the feminist site
> 'Avril's Premier Podcast'
>
> "A triumph for womens' liberation!  At last, after months of lobbying,
> Apple Inc has today announced that the new UK stores planned for
> Norwich, Cardiff and Aberdeen will be staffed entirely by women.
> Acting CEO Tim Cook conceded that the Cupertino company's employment
> history could be seen to favour male employees, and these three new
> stores in smaller cities would be an ideal testbed for the
> experimental policy, which, if successful, would be introduced
> throughout its retail operations,"
>
> Prominent activist Germaine Greer commented "I'm delighted, providing
> they're not traipsing round the store dressed as Playboy bunnies"
>
> Robbie
>
>


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed Apr  1 10:25:40 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:25:40 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] file sharing
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0903311427j3c98b974o8a2cea59c9169fd8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ac224bde0903311239i7e639006nd20d4643ab57374d@mail.gmail.com>
	<2A73C548-14C8-4858-A8E4-896066EC34DD@durrant.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0903311427j3c98b974o8a2cea59c9169fd8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <31C35F33-4964-4AD4-9A6E-2A2DCFB3EBF8@durrant.co.uk>

Hi Scott,

Ah - Tiger. Yes Apple went too far this time - the only folder you can  
share on the network is the Public folder. Ugh.

Luckily there is a solution. SharePoints donation-ware. It should let  
you share any folder, including your 80GB monster.

http://www.hornware.com/sharepoints/

regards,

Paul

On 31 Mar 2009, at 22:27, Scott Matthews wrote:

> sorry Paul, forgot to mention that the machine hosting the folder is
> running Tiger ('desktop' version, not OS X Server) , and there is no
> list of files/folders in the right hand panel of the sharing prefs
> pane.
>
> I want this folder to be available to all ie no username/password  
> required.
>
> I thought I'd managed to get aliases working,  when I tested it I
> could see the folder on my macbook, but my wife could not see it on
> hers. she could see the shortcut/alias, but got an error when clicking
> it. The alias on the remote machine points to /Users/scott/Music - I
> use the same username on my macbook, the paths were the same, and the
> remote alias was opening a folder on the client. very odd
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Paul Durrant <paul at durrant.co.uk>  
> wrote:
>> By 'server', I'm going to assume you just mean the machine with  
>> normal
>> Mac OS X that you're using to host the files, NOT Mac OS X Server.
>>
>> Go to System Preferences/Sharing. Check the File Sharing checkbox.
>> On the right hand side are two lists. One of Shared Folder and one of
>> Shared Folders.
>> Click the + button under the list of shared folders. Select the  
>> folder
>> that you want to make public (all 80GB!).
>>
>> That's it. The folder is now shared with default settings . You can
>> change the access setting by selecting the folder in the list of
>> shared folders, and than changing the settings in the Users column.
>> "Everyone" controls the access give to guests connecting over the
>> network.
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> Paul
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From kevin at sanderling.co.uk  Wed Apr  1 10:27:09 2009
From: kevin at sanderling.co.uk (Kevin Allenby)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:27:09 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Apple Store in Norwich!
In-Reply-To: <E3B8E544-F572-4169-A52F-D219A43FA9E2@mac.com>
References: <3DB64228-BE16-45ED-834C-92A708D5B687@aim.com>
	<COL115-W336F711A0122DF1F1EE0AD9C8A0@phx.gbl>
	<82A34875-BBAC-453D-81BD-9B0E397B5E7B@f2s.com>
	<E3B8E544-F572-4169-A52F-D219A43FA9E2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <9c83344f0904010227j694ae485yea27c90662aea4ff@mail.gmail.com>

Looks like there's going to be a lot of sex changes requested at Norwich NHS
this spring!



> >
> > "A triumph for womens' liberation!  At last, after months of lobbying,
> > Apple Inc has today announced that the new UK stores planned for
> > Norwich, Cardiff and Aberdeen will be staffed entirely by women.
>


From munkt0n at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 10:27:37 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:27:37 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] file sharing
In-Reply-To: <31C35F33-4964-4AD4-9A6E-2A2DCFB3EBF8@durrant.co.uk>
References: <ac224bde0903311239i7e639006nd20d4643ab57374d@mail.gmail.com>
	<2A73C548-14C8-4858-A8E4-896066EC34DD@durrant.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0903311427j3c98b974o8a2cea59c9169fd8@mail.gmail.com>
	<31C35F33-4964-4AD4-9A6E-2A2DCFB3EBF8@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0904010227u60c09825gbe9fe1539e479b2@mail.gmail.com>

cheers, I'll give that a go, thanks for your help.

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Paul Durrant <paul at durrant.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Scott,
>
> Ah - Tiger. Yes Apple went too far this time - the only folder you can
> share on the network is the Public folder. Ugh.
>
> Luckily there is a solution. SharePoints donation-ware. It should let
> you share any folder, including your 80GB monster.
>
> http://www.hornware.com/sharepoints/
>
> regards,
>
> Paul
>


From david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk  Wed Apr  1 10:29:05 2009
From: david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk (David Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:29:05 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] For sale
In-Reply-To: <375992370903300550l5b272759r7f9626c56babe20b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <375992370903300550l5b272759r7f9626c56babe20b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <375992370904010229g518dabd0q5bacac3944158601@mail.gmail.com>

No one even care to make an offer for either of these?

Thanks,

David

2009/3/30 David Reynolds <david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk>:
> Similarly to Dan, I have a couple of items I thought I'd offer to you
> guys before listing on Ebay.
>
> Both are boxed, in near mint condition and come with all of the parts
> that came in the box.
>
> Apple Universal Dock - Works with iPod video, iPod classic, iPhone
> (original and 3G with included adaptor), iPod touch and iPod Nano -
> ?18
>
> Apple Airport Express Base station (with 802.11n and AirTunes) - can
> be used to wirelessly share a printer, add wireless to a wired
> network, extend a wireless network and play music through a set of
> speakers from iTunes - ?60
>
> Any offers or questions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
> --
> David Reynolds
> david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk
>



-- 
David Reynolds
david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk


From robharrington at mac.com  Wed Apr  1 11:11:38 2009
From: robharrington at mac.com (ROB HARRINGTON)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 11:11:38 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] For sale
In-Reply-To: <375992370904010229g518dabd0q5bacac3944158601@mail.gmail.com>
References: <375992370903300550l5b272759r7f9626c56babe20b@mail.gmail.com>
	<375992370904010229g518dabd0q5bacac3944158601@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7DAE7936-017E-4D9A-97F3-7F8B668D0B9E@mac.com>

?40 for the Airport.
Rob
On 1 Apr 2009, at 10:29, David Reynolds wrote:

> No one even care to make an offer for either of these?
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>
>
>>
>> Apple Universal Dock - Works with iPod video, iPod classic, iPhone
>> (original and 3G with included adaptor), iPod touch and iPod Nano -
>> ?18
>>
>> Apple Airport Express Base station (with 802.11n and AirTunes) - can
>> be used to wirelessly share a printer, add wireless to a wired
>> network, extend a wireless network and play music through a set of
>> speakers from iTunes - ?60
>>
>> Any offers or questions?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> David
>>
>> --
>> David Reynolds
>> david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk
>>
>
>
>


From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk  Wed Apr  1 12:10:56 2009
From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:10:56 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Memory and iMovie 09
In-Reply-To: <0FEE7B8D-7821-4795-92EE-72D6FA4486D5@mac.com>
References: <82E927CD-EC55-42B4-B3F5-A59CCE0B32E5@mendelsohn.me.uk>
	<72E094E8-37AC-4802-B9D8-D07C15B924DB@mac.com>
	<FD7489F8-AC48-4CC9-A789-836D8E9A7457@mendelsohn.me.uk>
	<0FEE7B8D-7821-4795-92EE-72D6FA4486D5@mac.com>
Message-ID: <70CA01B4-A757-408F-8AD5-0B5F4640DCCE@mendelsohn.me.uk>


Hi

Our problem still persists - despite installing the extra memory -  
which proved easy.

The programme worked reasonably well (although very slow - memory I  
presume?) until I installed the software update on Saturday - from  
iMovie 8 to iMovie 8.01. After this things got really bad and they  
have persisted.

It is slightly faster but is very difficlult to manipulate and  
completely unresponsive at times. There is a spinning beach ball  
everytime you try to do anything i.e. moving clips, making adjustments  
to clips, moving sliders etc. This makes the whole process a lengthy  
and very frustrating task. I checked on the net and several people  
have complained about this upgrade.

I have moved the files preference file - no difference.  I believe  
that reinstalling the programme won't get rid of the update - not sure  
if this is true. If this is true would it be possible to do the  
following without getting rid of the project and  the editing already  
completed:

1. Move the iMovie 8.01 out of the Applications folder onto the desk  
top and then rename it

2. re-instal iMove 8 from the iLife 9 disk.

Would I then be back to the un-upgraded iMovie 8??

Thanks

Ed



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed Apr  1 12:28:06 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:28:06 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Memory and iMovie 09
In-Reply-To: <70CA01B4-A757-408F-8AD5-0B5F4640DCCE@mendelsohn.me.uk>
References: <82E927CD-EC55-42B4-B3F5-A59CCE0B32E5@mendelsohn.me.uk>
	<72E094E8-37AC-4802-B9D8-D07C15B924DB@mac.com>
	<FD7489F8-AC48-4CC9-A789-836D8E9A7457@mendelsohn.me.uk>
	<0FEE7B8D-7821-4795-92EE-72D6FA4486D5@mac.com>
	<70CA01B4-A757-408F-8AD5-0B5F4640DCCE@mendelsohn.me.uk>
Message-ID: <3229311C-5C4E-4B03-A1FD-D8EFD552E1EC@durrant.co.uk>

Hi Ed,

Sorry my suggestion about the memory was wrong. On the other hand,  
it's hard to have too much RAM.

The answer to your question is probably. It's possible that the iLife  
'09 update also changed some system frameworks, but I don't think it  
does. So just re-installing the application should get you back to the  
earlier version. And then, I suppose, wait for the .02 update before  
updating again.

regards,

Paul


On 1 Apr 2009, at 12:10, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote:

>
> 1. Move the iMovie 8.01 out of the Applications folder onto the desk
> top and then rename it
>
> 2. re-instal iMove 8 from the iLife 9 disk.
>
> Would I then be back to the un-upgraded iMovie 8??



From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk  Wed Apr  1 12:35:19 2009
From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:35:19 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Memory and iMovie 09
In-Reply-To: <3229311C-5C4E-4B03-A1FD-D8EFD552E1EC@durrant.co.uk>
References: <82E927CD-EC55-42B4-B3F5-A59CCE0B32E5@mendelsohn.me.uk>
	<72E094E8-37AC-4802-B9D8-D07C15B924DB@mac.com>
	<FD7489F8-AC48-4CC9-A789-836D8E9A7457@mendelsohn.me.uk>
	<0FEE7B8D-7821-4795-92EE-72D6FA4486D5@mac.com>
	<70CA01B4-A757-408F-8AD5-0B5F4640DCCE@mendelsohn.me.uk>
	<3229311C-5C4E-4B03-A1FD-D8EFD552E1EC@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <EDC8B955-75D3-4453-BFE5-B25A803FFAE1@mendelsohn.me.uk>

Thanks Paul,

Do I need to go to the trouble of moving iMovie 8.01 out of the  
Applications folder etc before re-installing iMove 08?

Ed

On 1 Apr 2009, at 12:28, Paul Durrant wrote:

> Hi Ed,
>
> Sorry my suggestion about the memory was wrong. On the other hand,
> it's hard to have too much RAM.
>
> The answer to your question is probably. It's possible that the iLife
> '09 update also changed some system frameworks, but I don't think it
> does. So just re-installing the application should get you back to the
> earlier version. And then, I suppose, wait for the .02 update before
> updating again.
>
> regards,
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 1 Apr 2009, at 12:10, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote:
>
>>
>> 1. Move the iMovie 8.01 out of the Applications folder onto the desk
>> top and then rename it
>>
>> 2. re-instal iMove 8 from the iLife 9 disk.
>>
>> Would I then be back to the un-upgraded iMovie 8??
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed Apr  1 12:41:36 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:41:36 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Memory and iMovie 09
In-Reply-To: <EDC8B955-75D3-4453-BFE5-B25A803FFAE1@mendelsohn.me.uk>
References: <82E927CD-EC55-42B4-B3F5-A59CCE0B32E5@mendelsohn.me.uk>
	<72E094E8-37AC-4802-B9D8-D07C15B924DB@mac.com>
	<FD7489F8-AC48-4CC9-A789-836D8E9A7457@mendelsohn.me.uk>
	<0FEE7B8D-7821-4795-92EE-72D6FA4486D5@mac.com>
	<70CA01B4-A757-408F-8AD5-0B5F4640DCCE@mendelsohn.me.uk>
	<3229311C-5C4E-4B03-A1FD-D8EFD552E1EC@durrant.co.uk>
	<EDC8B955-75D3-4453-BFE5-B25A803FFAE1@mendelsohn.me.uk>
Message-ID: <3598F8E8-E8D2-4540-8637-34E865D6FFAF@durrant.co.uk>

I would. I suspect the installer might complain about a newer version  
if you don't. Just move to the desktop until the installation has  
finished, and then you can trash it.

Paul

On 1 Apr 2009, at 12:35, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote:

> Thanks Paul,
>
> Do I need to go to the trouble of moving iMovie 8.01 out of the
> Applications folder etc before re-installing iMove 08?
>
> Ed
>
> On 1 Apr 2009, at 12:28, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
>> Hi Ed,
>>
>> Sorry my suggestion about the memory was wrong. On the other hand,
>> it's hard to have too much RAM.
>>
>> The answer to your question is probably. It's possible that the iLife
>> '09 update also changed some system frameworks, but I don't think it
>> does. So just re-installing the application should get you back to  
>> the
>> earlier version. And then, I suppose, wait for the .02 update before
>> updating again.
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> On 1 Apr 2009, at 12:10, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> 1. Move the iMovie 8.01 out of the Applications folder onto the desk
>>> top and then rename it
>>>
>>> 2. re-instal iMove 8 from the iLife 9 disk.
>>>
>>> Would I then be back to the un-upgraded iMovie 8??
>>
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Apr  1 12:45:15 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 01 Apr 2009 12:45:15 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] PowerBook Decals
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904011245150.26810@pih-webmail01.plus.net>

Hi

I am thinking of 'decorating' my PowerBook again. Partly because I like to 
make my machines a little more unique and partly because the lid has some 
marks and dents on it.

I was thinking along the lines of this:

http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/pics/pbg4-lid.jpg

http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/pics/pbg4-wrist.jpg

It kind of brings out my retro side out and ties in with the header on my 
website. I was thinking of having someone cut it into durable plastic.

Simon


--- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. 
Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)





From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed Apr  1 12:49:41 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:49:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] PowerBook Decals
In-Reply-To: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904011245150.26810@pih-webmail01.plus.net>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904011245150.26810@pih-webmail01.plus.net>
Message-ID: <D4266216-94B8-4282-970F-6FD41760DBB0@durrant.co.uk>

Goodness, it's been a while since Apple have used those colours - very  
retro.

Hmm.... Now that would have been an interesting colour scheem for a G3  
iMac. Flower Power, Blue Dalmation, and... Classic Apple stripes.


Paul

On 1 Apr 2009, at 12:45, Simon Royal wrote:

> http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/pics/pbg4-lid.jpg
>
> http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/pics/pbg4-wrist.jpg



From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Wed Apr  1 13:00:04 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:00:04 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] AppleStore: the road to penury
Message-ID: <D8A1B013-B551-499A-A002-7B60DDBB12A1@gmail.com>

The problem with having a local AppleStore is that Apple makes SO many  
things that you didn't know you wanted till you touched them. I can  
see myself bumming on St. Stephens having spent all my dosh in  
Chaplefield on gorgeous things I don't really need, but have to have.  
I don't think I'll be the only one, so I'm staking my claim first to  
stand outside the Pound store.


From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk  Wed Apr  1 13:02:00 2009
From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:02:00 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] AppleStore: the road to penury
In-Reply-To: <D8A1B013-B551-499A-A002-7B60DDBB12A1@gmail.com>
References: <D8A1B013-B551-499A-A002-7B60DDBB12A1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <71F7093D-8F15-4D43-9126-0EA97CBC2323@freeflightsupplies.co.uk>

Sad very sad. However don't buy it all please leave me some stuff,  
that I don't need to have.

Michael Woodhouse
mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk
http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/




On 1 Apr 2009, at 13:00, stefan youngs wrote:

> The problem with having a local AppleStore is that Apple makes SO many
> things that you didn't know you wanted till you touched them. I can
> see myself bumming on St. Stephens having spent all my dosh in
> Chaplefield on gorgeous things I don't really need, but have to have.
> I don't think I'll be the only one, so I'm staking my claim first to
> stand outside the Pound store.
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Apr  1 13:15:55 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed,  1 Apr 2009 13:15:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] AppleStore: the road to penury
Message-ID: <M5JxRds79mks.4tC3rCfw@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I wonder if the Pound Store will have to stop selling iPod accessories.

Simon

--- visit my Mac site http://www.simonroyal.co.uk or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal' (sent using Nokia E71)

-original message-
Subject: Re: [NMUG] AppleStore: the road to penury
From: Michael Woodhouse <mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk>
Date: 01/04/2009 13:02

Sad very sad. However don't buy it all please leave me some stuff,  
that I don't need to have.

Michael Woodhouse
mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk
http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/




On 1 Apr 2009, at 13:00, stefan youngs wrote:

> The problem with having a local AppleStore is that Apple makes SO many
> things that you didn't know you wanted till you touched them. I can
> see myself bumming on St. Stephens having spent all my dosh in
> Chaplefield on gorgeous things I don't really need, but have to have.
> I don't think I'll be the only one, so I'm staking my claim first to
> stand outside the Pound store.
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

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From david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk  Wed Apr  1 13:31:59 2009
From: david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk (David Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:31:59 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] For sale
In-Reply-To: <7DAE7936-017E-4D9A-97F3-7F8B668D0B9E@mac.com>
References: <375992370903300550l5b272759r7f9626c56babe20b@mail.gmail.com>
	<375992370904010229g518dabd0q5bacac3944158601@mail.gmail.com>
	<7DAE7936-017E-4D9A-97F3-7F8B668D0B9E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <375992370904010531q4cd0a788v3ab4d5bf336a79df@mail.gmail.com>

Rob,

2009/4/1 ROB HARRINGTON <robharrington at mac.com>:
> ?40 for the Airport.

Jon already offered that, but it is too low I'm afraid.

Thanks,

David
-- 
David Reynolds
david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Apr  1 14:08:14 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed,  1 Apr 2009 14:08:14 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] PowerBook Decals
Message-ID: <GhQZKsv2KP3y.CVzHHCgk@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Paul

I love the rainbow logo, worst thing Apple ever did was ditch them.

Simon

--- visit my Mac site http://www.simonroyal.co.uk or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal' (sent using Nokia E71)

-original message-
Subject: Re: [NMUG] PowerBook Decals
From: Paul Durrant <paul at durrant.co.uk>
Date: 01/04/2009 12:49

Goodness, it's been a while since Apple have used those colours - very  
retro.

Hmm.... Now that would have been an interesting colour scheem for a G3  
iMac. Flower Power, Blue Dalmation, and... Classic Apple stripes.


Paul

On 1 Apr 2009, at 12:45, Simon Royal wrote:

> http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/pics/pbg4-lid.jpg
>
> http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/pics/pbg4-wrist.jpg

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From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Wed Apr  1 14:13:40 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:13:40 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] website
In-Reply-To: <C5F85D98.27C3B%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
References: <C5F85D98.27C3B%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
Message-ID: <e7872f6f17784847aca83d4cbdc76802@virgin.net>


Thanks to Brian & all that replied...

Now I know !
Martin

www.martinfryphotography.com






> As I understand it - Every single file on the page is a hit when it is
> requested.
> A single page can be a large number of hits as it may contain a number 
> of
> resources such as images.
> A visit may encompass many or one page and a corresponding number of 
> hits
> arise from the files that make up the page.
> Many hits are generated by web bots or crawlers that spider your site 
> - such
> as Google search bots and spam bots seeking email addresses.
> You can get more sense of the activity on your site by looking that the
> graphical stats - such as Awstats or similar in your web hosting 
> Control
> Panel.
>>
>> Can someone explain the difference between 'VISITS' & 'HITS' on my
>> website.



From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Wed Apr  1 14:25:24 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:25:24 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] webcam and skype advise required
In-Reply-To: <F5520109-E999-45EB-A9B9-F6B41E64421B@mac.com>
References: <F5520109-E999-45EB-A9B9-F6B41E64421B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <9e365d02fa119ed94bbcc55c7cc46cc5@virgin.net>


Congratulations Grandad jeremy

Martin







>
>  we have just  become grandparents for the first time.
www.martinfryphotography.com


From ajf at afco.demon.co.uk  Wed Apr  1 15:25:02 2009
From: ajf at afco.demon.co.uk (Alan Fry)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:25:02 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac OS Maintenance Scripts
Message-ID: <933DDA8D-6D42-4245-A055-E01784D128BB@afco.demon.co.uk>

In common with all Unix-based systems Mac OS runs maintenance scripts  
automatically to clean up a variety of system log  and temporary files  
which would otherwise grow progressively clogging up the hard disc.

However (depending how users use their machines) these essential  
maintenance scripts may never actually run.

Up to 10.3.x (Panther) these scripts were run by 'cron' scheduled in a  
System 'crontab' file; currently in 10.4.x and 10.5.x the job is done  
by 'launchd'. By default, in both cases, the scheduled run time is  
03:15 local time. Now if the machine is asleep at the scheduled time  
the scheduled run is lost. In the case of 'launchd' the run is made  
but at a time shifted by the amount of time the machine was asleep.  
However, if you restart your Mac before the time-shifted execution  
time, pending events are lost and the script will not run off- 
schedule: the next chance for the script to run will be at its next  
scheduled time.

This means that if one regularly puts the machine to sleep overnight  
(as I do) the maintenance scripts never run at all.

The '.plist' files scheduling 'launchd' can be found at:
	
	/System/Library/LaunchDaemons/com.apple.periodic-daily.plist
	/System/Library/LaunchDaemons/com.apple.periodic-weekly.plist
	/System/Library/LaunchDaemons/com.apple.periodic-monthly.plist

which you can edit in the usual way, for instance to alter the  
scheduled run times.

You can also run the scripts manually from the Terminal by:

	$ sudo periodic daily weekly monthly

Nothing can be seen during the run, the end of which is indicated  
merely by the return of the Terminal prompt.

The last time the scripts were run can be examined by:

	$ ls -al /var/log/*.out

which will produce something like the  following:

	-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  570898  1 Apr 13:49 /var/log/daily.out
	-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel    1344  1 Apr 13:53 /var/log/monthly.out
	-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel   25938  1 Apr 13:53 /var/log/weekly.out

The time stamp indicates that the scripts were run (manually) today  
just before 2pm.

The moral of this tale is that if your machines are normally either  
off or asleep at 03:15 it would be a good idea to run the maintenance  
scripts manually on a regular basis, or at the very least to check  
when last they were run. Otherwise log files and other junk will clog  
up the hard disc.

For further information see <http://www.thexlab.com/faqs/maintscripts.html 
 >.

I hope this is helpful...

Alan Fry





From david at vanedwards.co.uk  Wed Apr  1 16:01:33 2009
From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:01:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac OS Maintenance Scripts
In-Reply-To: <933DDA8D-6D42-4245-A055-E01784D128BB@afco.demon.co.uk>
References: <933DDA8D-6D42-4245-A055-E01784D128BB@afco.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <p06240804c5f931785848@[192.168.1.101]>

At 15:25 +0100 1/4/09, Alan Fry wrote:
>In common with all Unix-based systems Mac OS runs maintenance scripts 
>automatically to clean up a variety of system log  and temporary files
>which would otherwise grow progressively clogging up the hard disc.
>
><SNIP>
>I hope this is helpful...
>
>Alan Fry



You can also get MacJanitor, a freeware app that allows you to do 
these housekeeping jobs without venturing into the scary dark world 
of the Terminal!

http://personalpages.tds.net/~brian_hill/macjanitor.html

Best wishes,

David
-- 
The Smokehouse,
6 Whitwell Road,
Norwich,  NR1 4HB      
England.

Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899
Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk



From dan_tombs at hotmail.com  Wed Apr  1 16:10:25 2009
From: dan_tombs at hotmail.com (Dan Tombs)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:10:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac OS Maintenance Scripts
In-Reply-To: <933DDA8D-6D42-4245-A055-E01784D128BB@afco.demon.co.uk>
References: <933DDA8D-6D42-4245-A055-E01784D128BB@afco.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <COL115-W4991921B0C90B5E266F4949C8B0@phx.gbl>


Hi Folks,

This is indeed useful information, and often overlooked,

for those of you who aren't too comfortable getting into terminal, then this is a great little app

http://personalpages.tds.net/~brian_hill/macjanitor.html

which gives you a nice GUI to play with

I have used this for a couple of years, and don't really notice the benfits but then - thats the idea i guess

still i try to keep up the maintenance routine, i occasionally flirt with putting mac janitor in my log in items so it automatically launches when i boot the machine.

Hope this is helpful to some !

Dan 

> From: ajf at afco.demon.co.uk
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:25:02 +0100
> Subject: [NMUG] Mac OS Maintenance Scripts
> 
> In common with all Unix-based systems Mac OS runs maintenance scripts  
> automatically to clean up a variety of system log  and temporary files  
> which would otherwise grow progressively clogging up the hard disc.
> 
> However (depending how users use their machines) these essential  
> maintenance scripts may never actually run.
> 
> Up to 10.3.x (Panther) these scripts were run by 'cron' scheduled in a  
> System 'crontab' file; currently in 10.4.x and 10.5.x the job is done  
> by 'launchd'. By default, in both cases, the scheduled run time is  
> 03:15 local time. Now if the machine is asleep at the scheduled time  
> the scheduled run is lost. In the case of 'launchd' the run is made  
> but at a time shifted by the amount of time the machine was asleep.  
> However, if you restart your Mac before the time-shifted execution  
> time, pending events are lost and the script will not run off- 
> schedule: the next chance for the script to run will be at its next  
> scheduled time.
> 
> This means that if one regularly puts the machine to sleep overnight  
> (as I do) the maintenance scripts never run at all.
> 
> The '.plist' files scheduling 'launchd' can be found at:
> 	
> 	/System/Library/LaunchDaemons/com.apple.periodic-daily.plist
> 	/System/Library/LaunchDaemons/com.apple.periodic-weekly.plist
> 	/System/Library/LaunchDaemons/com.apple.periodic-monthly.plist
> 
> which you can edit in the usual way, for instance to alter the  
> scheduled run times.
> 
> You can also run the scripts manually from the Terminal by:
> 
> 	$ sudo periodic daily weekly monthly
> 
> Nothing can be seen during the run, the end of which is indicated  
> merely by the return of the Terminal prompt.
> 
> The last time the scripts were run can be examined by:
> 
> 	$ ls -al /var/log/*.out
> 
> which will produce something like the  following:
> 
> 	-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  570898  1 Apr 13:49 /var/log/daily.out
> 	-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel    1344  1 Apr 13:53 /var/log/monthly.out
> 	-rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel   25938  1 Apr 13:53 /var/log/weekly.out
> 
> The time stamp indicates that the scripts were run (manually) today  
> just before 2pm.
> 
> The moral of this tale is that if your machines are normally either  
> off or asleep at 03:15 it would be a good idea to run the maintenance  
> scripts manually on a regular basis, or at the very least to check  
> when last they were run. Otherwise log files and other junk will clog  
> up the hard disc.
> 
> For further information see <http://www.thexlab.com/faqs/maintscripts.html 
>  >.
> 
> I hope this is helpful...
> 
> Alan Fry
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

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From dan_tombs at hotmail.com  Wed Apr  1 16:11:07 2009
From: dan_tombs at hotmail.com (Dan Tombs)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:11:07 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac OS Maintenance Scripts
In-Reply-To: <p06240804c5f931785848@[192.168.1.101]>
References: <933DDA8D-6D42-4245-A055-E01784D128BB@afco.demon.co.uk>
	<p06240804c5f931785848@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <COL115-W34FBB936D5BE6D59B03A059C8B0@phx.gbl>


JINX !

> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:01:33 +0100
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> From: david at vanedwards.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Mac OS Maintenance Scripts
> 
> At 15:25 +0100 1/4/09, Alan Fry wrote:
> >In common with all Unix-based systems Mac OS runs maintenance scripts 
> >automatically to clean up a variety of system log  and temporary files
> >which would otherwise grow progressively clogging up the hard disc.
> >
> ><SNIP>
> >I hope this is helpful...
> >
> >Alan Fry
> 
> 
> 
> You can also get MacJanitor, a freeware app that allows you to do 
> these housekeeping jobs without venturing into the scary dark world 
> of the Terminal!
> 
> http://personalpages.tds.net/~brian_hill/macjanitor.html
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> David
> -- 
> The Smokehouse,
> 6 Whitwell Road,
> Norwich,  NR1 4HB      
> England.
> 
> Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899
> Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed Apr  1 16:14:31 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:14:31 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] "The scary dark world of the Terminal"
In-Reply-To: <p06240804c5f931785848@[192.168.1.101]>
References: <933DDA8D-6D42-4245-A055-E01784D128BB@afco.demon.co.uk>
	<p06240804c5f931785848@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <3C190C8B-9A8F-4E3A-B74B-9AE11CB23B07@durrant.co.uk>

Before Mac OS X shipped, I had hoped that Apple wouldn't ship it with  
Terminal. (A free download or optional install, sure, but not as  
default install)

But they did. And lazy developers have been relying on it ever since.  
Sigh. And as for Apple scheduling tasks that might never get run...

Mac OS 9 had lots of faults, but occasionally requiring a command line  
wasn't one of them.

Paul

On 1 Apr 2009, at 16:01, David Van Edwards wrote:
> You can also get MacJanitor, a freeware app that allows you to do
> these housekeeping jobs without venturing into the scary dark world
> of the Terminal!
>
> http://personalpages.tds.net/~brian_hill/macjanitor.html



From ajf at afco.demon.co.uk  Wed Apr  1 16:31:39 2009
From: ajf at afco.demon.co.uk (Alan Fry)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:31:39 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac OS Maintenance Scripts
In-Reply-To: <p06240804c5f931785848@[192.168.1.101]>
References: <933DDA8D-6D42-4245-A055-E01784D128BB@afco.demon.co.uk>
	<p06240804c5f931785848@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <601DCE5A-E4CF-47C4-B527-D7E2B49E8DE4@afco.demon.co.uk>


On 1 Apr 2009, at 16:01, David Van Edwards wrote:

> At 15:25 +0100 1/4/09, Alan Fry wrote:
>> In common with all Unix-based systems Mac OS runs maintenance scripts
>> automatically to clean up a variety of system log  and temporary  
>> files
>> which would otherwise grow progressively clogging up the hard disc.
>>
>> <SNIP>
>> I hope this is helpful...
>>
>> Alan Fry
>
>
>
> You can also get MacJanitor, a freeware app that allows you to do
> these housekeeping jobs without venturing into the scary dark world
> of the Terminal!

Well, MacJanitor might or might not do what is wanted. I am generally  
wary of non-Apple software which digs about in the system.

But a Unix command is neither scary nor dark and at least you do know  
what you are doing and why you are doing it; moreover it is provided  
by Apple for the purpose who after all designed the system. So why not  
use it?

Kind regards,

Alan

> http://personalpages.tds.net/~brian_hill/macjanitor.html



From munkt0n at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 16:43:29 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:43:29 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] "The scary dark world of the Terminal"
In-Reply-To: <3C190C8B-9A8F-4E3A-B74B-9AE11CB23B07@durrant.co.uk>
References: <933DDA8D-6D42-4245-A055-E01784D128BB@afco.demon.co.uk>
	<p06240804c5f931785848@192.168.1.101>
	<3C190C8B-9A8F-4E3A-B74B-9AE11CB23B07@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0904010843x76861938k1a4ce9b69a917180@mail.gmail.com>

> lazy developers have been relying on it ever since.

relying on tried and tested unix tools is hardly what I'd call lazy,
are developers supposed to just ignore the fact that OS X is just unix
with a bit of makeup on and use x-code to re-invent the wheel?
I'd personally hate to have no default shell access, we'd have a cocoa
app for everything, and every mac would have to ship with a much
bigger hard disk to contain all the bloat!
viva la shell!

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Paul Durrant <paul at durrant.co.uk> wrote:
> Before Mac OS X shipped, I had hoped that Apple wouldn't ship it with
> Terminal. (A free download or optional install, sure, but not as
> default install)
>
> But they did. And lazy developers have been relying on it ever since.
> Sigh. And as for Apple scheduling tasks that might never get run...
>
> Mac OS 9 had lots of faults, but occasionally requiring a command line
> wasn't one of them.
>
> Paul
>
> On 1 Apr 2009, at 16:01, David Van Edwards wrote:
>> You can also get MacJanitor, a freeware app that allows you to do
>> these housekeeping jobs without venturing into the scary dark world
>> of the Terminal!
>>
>> http://personalpages.tds.net/~brian_hill/macjanitor.html
>
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From david at vanedwards.co.uk  Wed Apr  1 17:02:19 2009
From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 17:02:19 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac OS Maintenance Scripts
In-Reply-To: <601DCE5A-E4CF-47C4-B527-D7E2B49E8DE4@afco.demon.co.uk>
References: <933DDA8D-6D42-4245-A055-E01784D128BB@afco.demon.co.uk>
	<p06240804c5f931785848@[192.168.1.101]>
	<601DCE5A-E4CF-47C4-B527-D7E2B49E8DE4@afco.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <p06240805c5f93f379121@[192.168.1.101]>

Well I'm scared and the Terminal screen is black (with white writing) 
so that justifies the term in my book!

MacJanitor seems to work for me, but of course for all you brave and 
well-informed souls there's always the proper way.

But I do dimly remember that what made Mac so good in the beginning 
was exactly developing a GUI instead of all that "proper" c:> script 
stuff in a black screen that was the world of MS-DOS

Best wishes,

David

>On 1 Apr 2009, at 16:01, David Van Edwards wrote:
>
>>  At 15:25 +0100 1/4/09, Alan Fry wrote:
>>>  In common with all Unix-based systems Mac OS runs maintenance scripts
>>>  automatically to clean up a variety of system log  and temporary 
>>>  files
>>>  which would otherwise grow progressively clogging up the hard disc.
>>>
>>>  <SNIP>
>>>  I hope this is helpful...
>>>
>>>  Alan Fry
>>
>>
>>
>>  You can also get MacJanitor, a freeware app that allows you to do
>>  these housekeeping jobs without venturing into the scary dark world
>>  of the Terminal!
>
>Well, MacJanitor might or might not do what is wanted. I am generally 
>wary of non-Apple software which digs about in the system.
>
>But a Unix command is neither scary nor dark and at least you do know 
>what you are doing and why you are doing it; moreover it is provided 
>by Apple for the purpose who after all designed the system. So why not 
>use it?
>
>Kind regards,
>
>Alan
>
>>  http://personalpages.tds.net/~brian_hill/macjanitor.html
>
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From ajf at afco.demon.co.uk  Wed Apr  1 17:04:45 2009
From: ajf at afco.demon.co.uk (Alan Fry)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 17:04:45 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] "The scary dark world of the Terminal"
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0904010843x76861938k1a4ce9b69a917180@mail.gmail.com>
References: <933DDA8D-6D42-4245-A055-E01784D128BB@afco.demon.co.uk>
	<p06240804c5f931785848@192.168.1.101>
	<3C190C8B-9A8F-4E3A-B74B-9AE11CB23B07@durrant.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0904010843x76861938k1a4ce9b69a917180@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A95F3645-1F81-42B9-9F79-D95C116FB407@afco.demon.co.uk>


On 1 Apr 2009, at 16:43, Scott Matthews wrote:

>> lazy developers have been relying on it ever since.
>
> relying on tried and tested unix tools is hardly what I'd call lazy,
> are developers supposed to just ignore the fact that OS X is just unix
> with a bit of makeup on and use x-code to re-invent the wheel?
> I'd personally hate to have no default shell access, we'd have a cocoa
> app for everything, and every mac would have to ship with a much
> bigger hard disk to contain all the bloat!
> viva la shell!

Quite right. I agree with every word.

It is so silly (with the humblest of apologies to all my elders and  
betters) to overlook the elegance and sheer power and speed of Unix.  
If it weren't for the shell access to Mac OS I would junk it for  
Linux. That's for sure.

Let's not have a flame war, but merely recognise the strengths (and  
weaknesses) of the various tools at our disposal.

Best regards to all,

Alan

> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Paul Durrant <paul at durrant.co.uk>  
> wrote:
>> Before Mac OS X shipped, I had hoped that Apple wouldn't ship it with
>> Terminal. (A free download or optional install, sure, but not as
>> default install)
>>
>> But they did. And lazy developers have been relying on it ever since.
>> Sigh. And as for Apple scheduling tasks that might never get run...
>>
>> Mac OS 9 had lots of faults, but occasionally requiring a command  
>> line
>> wasn't one of them.
>>
>> Paul


From ajf at afco.demon.co.uk  Wed Apr  1 17:18:10 2009
From: ajf at afco.demon.co.uk (Alan Fry)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 17:18:10 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac OS Maintenance Scripts
In-Reply-To: <p06240805c5f93f379121@[192.168.1.101]>
References: <933DDA8D-6D42-4245-A055-E01784D128BB@afco.demon.co.uk>
	<p06240804c5f931785848@[192.168.1.101]>
	<601DCE5A-E4CF-47C4-B527-D7E2B49E8DE4@afco.demon.co.uk>
	<p06240805c5f93f379121@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <B3E9085B-E16C-41C9-BD6B-0F77A02626A9@afco.demon.co.uk>


On 1 Apr 2009, at 17:02, David Van Edwards wrote:

> Well I'm scared and the Terminal screen is black (with white writing)
> so that justifies the term in my book!

No, actually it _isn't_ black with white writing...It's a perfectly  
normal text editor 'window'.

> MacJanitor seems to work for me, but of course for all you brave and
> well-informed souls there's always the proper way.
>
> But I do dimly remember that what made Mac so good in the beginning
> was exactly developing a GUI instead of all that "proper" c:> script
> stuff in a black screen that was the world of MS-DOS

There are horse for courses; GUI is fine for some things, but not all.  
In the end it is a question of which is the best tool for the job.

Kind regards,

Alan



From david at vanedwards.co.uk  Wed Apr  1 17:41:07 2009
From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 17:41:07 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac OS Maintenance Scripts
In-Reply-To: <B3E9085B-E16C-41C9-BD6B-0F77A02626A9@afco.demon.co.uk>
References: <933DDA8D-6D42-4245-A055-E01784D128BB@afco.demon.co.uk>
	<p06240804c5f931785848@[192.168.1.101]>
	<601DCE5A-E4CF-47C4-B527-D7E2B49E8DE4@afco.demon.co.uk>
	<p06240805c5f93f379121@[192.168.1.101]>
	<B3E9085B-E16C-41C9-BD6B-0F77A02626A9@afco.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <p06240806c5f947d69658@[192.168.1.101]>

Sorry about the black screen, my memory must be faulty. I've only 
ever once used terminal when following one of Robbie's 
recommendations about installing AppleJack. But the scary bit I stand 
by!

As you say, horses for courses, and I'm happy for now to stay in the 
GUI world. Rather like in the old days I used to do all my own car 
maintainance, crawling under the car, adjusting timings and 
carburettor settings and changing clutch plates and re-ringing 
pistons. But nowadays I'm very grateful for the modern cars that have 
eliminated a lot of these jobs and made them so technical that they 
are beyond most of us.

I seem to remember Jobs saying he wanted to make computers more like 
fridges, that just worked.

Best wishes,

David

>On 1 Apr 2009, at 17:02, David Van Edwards wrote:
>
>>  Well I'm scared and the Terminal screen is black (with white writing)
>>  so that justifies the term in my book!
>
>No, actually it _isn't_ black with white writing...It's a perfectly 
>normal text editor 'window'.
>
>>  MacJanitor seems to work for me, but of course for all you brave and
>>  well-informed souls there's always the proper way.
>>
>>  But I do dimly remember that what made Mac so good in the beginning
>>  was exactly developing a GUI instead of all that "proper" c:> script
>>  stuff in a black screen that was the world of MS-DOS
>
>There are horse for courses; GUI is fine for some things, but not all. 
>In the end it is a question of which is the best tool for the job.
>
>Kind regards,
>
>Alan
>
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From ajf at afco.demon.co.uk  Wed Apr  1 17:57:33 2009
From: ajf at afco.demon.co.uk (Alan Fry)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 17:57:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac OS Maintenance Scripts
In-Reply-To: <p06240806c5f947d69658@[192.168.1.101]>
References: <933DDA8D-6D42-4245-A055-E01784D128BB@afco.demon.co.uk>
	<p06240804c5f931785848@[192.168.1.101]>
	<601DCE5A-E4CF-47C4-B527-D7E2B49E8DE4@afco.demon.co.uk>
	<p06240805c5f93f379121@[192.168.1.101]>
	<B3E9085B-E16C-41C9-BD6B-0F77A02626A9@afco.demon.co.uk>
	<p06240806c5f947d69658@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <974EC044-53CC-4073-882A-73AC4B9FEA92@afco.demon.co.uk>


On 1 Apr 2009, at 17:41, David Van Edwards wrote:

> Sorry about the black screen, my memory must be faulty. I've only
> ever once used terminal when following one of Robbie's
> recommendations about installing AppleJack. But the scary bit I stand
> by!

Ah! That's booting into 'single-user mode'. Not at all the same thing.  
Nothing to do with Terminal.app.

<snip>

> I seem to remember Jobs saying he wanted to make computers more like
> fridges, that just worked.

Mmmm...

Kind regards,

Alan



From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Wed Apr  1 18:16:55 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 18:16:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ipods
Message-ID: <4639dbfdd4d5670cbacee4025fd4eb67@virgin.net>

I am away for a few days with my daughter who has an ipod.

Can her ipod be charged up on my mac laptop even if it's been formatted 
on a horrible PC.

Can I add music to it on my mac without reformatting it or  can it then 
be formatted back to PC and will the music still be installed?

Hope this makes sense!

martin
www.martinfryphotography.com

From macman at f2s.com  Wed Apr  1 18:38:51 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 18:38:51 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Here's a bargain for anyone who can use it ...
Message-ID: <DFA7E156-2479-4268-A39C-425A036164F9@f2s.com>

http://tinyurl.com/cnkx64

From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed Apr  1 19:17:15 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 19:17:15 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Here's a bargain for anyone who can use it ...
In-Reply-To: <DFA7E156-2479-4268-A39C-425A036164F9@f2s.com>
References: <DFA7E156-2479-4268-A39C-425A036164F9@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <B5311367-4960-4439-A365-EAD3826B21F3@durrant.co.uk>

It's a microphone that fits a 3G/4G/Photo iPod, and for only ?1.99 all  
inclusive. A really good deal for anyone with a 3G/4G/Photo iPod. They  
must be selling off the last of the stock.

Here's a review:
http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/reviews/entry/belkin-tunetalk-for-ipod-ipod

On 1 Apr 2009, at 18:38, Robbie Murray wrote:

> http://tinyurl.com/cnkx64


From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Wed Apr  1 19:17:41 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 19:17:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Memory and iMovie 09
In-Reply-To: <70CA01B4-A757-408F-8AD5-0B5F4640DCCE@mendelsohn.me.uk>
References: <82E927CD-EC55-42B4-B3F5-A59CCE0B32E5@mendelsohn.me.uk>
	<72E094E8-37AC-4802-B9D8-D07C15B924DB@mac.com>
	<FD7489F8-AC48-4CC9-A789-836D8E9A7457@mendelsohn.me.uk>
	<0FEE7B8D-7821-4795-92EE-72D6FA4486D5@mac.com>
	<70CA01B4-A757-408F-8AD5-0B5F4640DCCE@mendelsohn.me.uk>
Message-ID: <FC8FD1D1-0234-40E9-999D-2194ABF67FE7@zen.co.uk>

Just a quickie but how full is your hard drive?

Have you also checked console & the logs to see what is taking up the  
processor cycles.

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 1 Apr 2009, at 12:10, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote:

>
> Hi
>
> Our problem still persists - despite installing the extra memory -
> which proved easy.
>
> The programme worked reasonably well (although very slow - memory I
> presume?) until I installed the software update on Saturday - from
> iMovie 8 to iMovie 8.01. After this things got really bad and they
> have persisted.
>
> It is slightly faster but is very difficlult to manipulate and
> completely unresponsive at times. There is a spinning beach ball
> everytime you try to do anything i.e. moving clips, making adjustments
> to clips, moving sliders etc. This makes the whole process a lengthy
> and very frustrating task. I checked on the net and several people
> have complained about this upgrade.
>
> I have moved the files preference file - no difference.  I believe
> that reinstalling the programme won't get rid of the update - not sure
> if this is true. If this is true would it be possible to do the
> following without getting rid of the project and  the editing already
> completed:
>
> 1. Move the iMovie 8.01 out of the Applications folder onto the desk
> top and then rename it
>
> 2. re-instal iMove 8 from the iLife 9 disk.
>
> Would I then be back to the un-upgraded iMovie 8??
>
> Thanks
>
> Ed
>
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From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Wed Apr  1 20:23:22 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 20:23:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Apple Store in Norwich!
In-Reply-To: <3DB64228-BE16-45ED-834C-92A708D5B687@aim.com>
References: <3DB64228-BE16-45ED-834C-92A708D5B687@aim.com>
Message-ID: <8BE401D1-DDBB-47DD-A4DB-00B55806C087@zen.co.uk>

Had a scout around Chapelfield lunchtime today.

There are only a couple of concessions that would suit an Apple Store  
available. There's the old USC store on the first floor which looks  
quite big - scary - could we get a big Apple Store? and the concession  
next door which though shuttered looks pokey.

The other possibility is the old "The Pier" store on the periphery  
near St Stephen's Church which is unlikely to me as the management  
would want to draw people in to the centre of the mall.

I await developments with interest.

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 31 Mar 2009, at 16:10, Daniel Palmer wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Just found out there's going to be an Apple store in Norwich
> Chapelfield, according to the Apple UK News page (http://www.apple.com/uk/hotnews/
> )! This will be very useful!
>
> Daniel
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From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Wed Apr  1 20:31:48 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 20:31:48 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Maintenance. Terminal. Nightmares. Joy of AppleScript
Message-ID: <0352C933-1213-4B00-9E86-7DEF89704818@gmail.com>

Thanks to Alan Fry for drawing my attention to the need for running  
maintenance programs. Like Paul D, I had never thought something as  
arcane as this would actually be required on a Mac.. but as Alan says,  
we should deal with the reality, whilst hoping for a better tomorrow.

Fortunately for those of us who don't want to get involved in  
Terminal, we can use the brilliant AppleScript facility provided by  
Apple. Simply make or find an AppleScript that runs these maintenance  
tasks and then make a recurring entry in iCal to activate them at, say  
10am the first Monday in the month, and you're done.

Most people don;t realize iCal isn't just a Calendar, it can execute  
Scripts which makes it really really REALLY cool

Something like this should do the job (but look it up somewhere)


tell application "Terminal"
     do script   "sudo periodic daily weekly monthly"
end tell




From munkt0n at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 20:42:25 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 20:42:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Maintenance. Terminal. Nightmares. Joy of AppleScript
In-Reply-To: <0352C933-1213-4B00-9E86-7DEF89704818@gmail.com>
References: <0352C933-1213-4B00-9E86-7DEF89704818@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0904011242h39ce2a3fp42582a303951323@mail.gmail.com>

I've not had much experience with AppleScript, but that 'sudo' is
going to prompt for an administrators password - is AppleScript smart
enough to pop up an admin user dialog or will it just open a terminal
with a Password: prompt?

On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:31 PM, stefan youngs
<stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com> wrote:
> Thanks to Alan Fry for drawing my attention to the need for running
> maintenance programs. Like Paul D, I had never thought something as
> arcane as this would actually be required on a Mac.. but as Alan says,
> we should deal with the reality, whilst hoping for a better tomorrow.
>
> Fortunately for those of us who don't want to get involved in
> Terminal, we can use the brilliant AppleScript facility provided by
> Apple. Simply make or find an AppleScript that runs these maintenance
> tasks and then make a recurring entry in iCal to activate them at, say
> 10am the first Monday in the month, and you're done.
>
> Most people don;t realize iCal isn't just a Calendar, it can execute
> Scripts which makes it really really REALLY cool
>
> Something like this should do the job (but look it up somewhere)
>
>
> tell application "Terminal"
> ? ? do script ? "sudo periodic daily weekly monthly"
> end tell
>
>
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From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Wed Apr  1 21:20:00 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 21:20:00 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Memory and iMovie 09
In-Reply-To: <EDC8B955-75D3-4453-BFE5-B25A803FFAE1@mendelsohn.me.uk>
Message-ID: <C5F98B00.27CAD%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

In these situations I tend to archive the application - and then it stays in
place but unavailable unless I want to unpack it.
regards
Brian


Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn said recently:

> Thanks Paul,
> 
> Do I need to go to the trouble of moving iMovie 8.01 out of the
> Applications folder etc before re-installing iMove 08?
> 
> Ed
> 
> On 1 Apr 2009, at 12:28, Paul Durrant wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ed,
>> 
>> Sorry my suggestion about the memory was wrong. On the other hand,
>> it's hard to have too much RAM.
>> 
>> The answer to your question is probably. It's possible that the iLife
>> '09 update also changed some system frameworks, but I don't think it
>> does. So just re-installing the application should get you back to the
>> earlier version. And then, I suppose, wait for the .02 update before
>> updating again.
>> 
>> regards,
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> 
>> On 1 Apr 2009, at 12:10, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 1. Move the iMovie 8.01 out of the Applications folder onto the desk
>>> top and then rename it
>>> 
>>> 2. re-instal iMove 8 from the iLife 9 disk.
>>> 
>>> Would I then be back to the un-upgraded iMovie 8??
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> 
> 
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From ajf at afco.demon.co.uk  Wed Apr  1 21:30:47 2009
From: ajf at afco.demon.co.uk (Alan Fry)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 21:30:47 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Maintenance. Terminal. Nightmares. Joy of AppleScript
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0904011242h39ce2a3fp42582a303951323@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0352C933-1213-4B00-9E86-7DEF89704818@gmail.com>
	<ac224bde0904011242h39ce2a3fp42582a303951323@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B5A62E44-6B0D-4580-B1D1-86D0DCF4939B@afco.demon.co.uk>


On 1 Apr 2009, at 20:42, Scott Matthews wrote:

> I've not had much experience with AppleScript, but that 'sudo' is
> going to prompt for an administrators password - is AppleScript smart
> enough to pop up an admin user dialog or will it just open a terminal
> with a Password: prompt?

You can get round it by:

	do shell script <command> with administrator privileges [password  
<password>]

which is reasonably safe.

iCal is an interesting possibility I hadn't thought of. But does it  
evade the 'sleep' problem and if so how?

Regards,

Alan

> On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:31 PM, stefan youngs
> <stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks to Alan Fry for drawing my attention to the need for running
>> maintenance programs. Like Paul D, I had never thought something as
>> arcane as this would actually be required on a Mac.. but as Alan  
>> says,
>> we should deal with the reality, whilst hoping for a better tomorrow.
>>
>> Fortunately for those of us who don't want to get involved in
>> Terminal, we can use the brilliant AppleScript facility provided by
>> Apple. Simply make or find an AppleScript that runs these maintenance
>> tasks and then make a recurring entry in iCal to activate them at,  
>> say
>> 10am the first Monday in the month, and you're done.
>>
>> Most people don;t realize iCal isn't just a Calendar, it can execute
>> Scripts which makes it really really REALLY cool
>>
>> Something like this should do the job (but look it up somewhere)
>>
>>
>> tell application "Terminal"
>>     do script   "sudo periodic daily weekly monthly"
>> end tell
>>
>>
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From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Wed Apr  1 21:31:22 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 21:31:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG]  ipods charging
In-Reply-To: <mailman.29.1238617206.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.29.1238617206.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1F22150A-6437-4072-A411-8F656C923B12@gmail.com>

>
> From: Martin Fry <martinfry.photo at virgin.net>
> Subject: [NMUG] ipods
>
> I am away for a few days with my daughter who has an ipod.
> Can her ipod be charged up on my mac laptop even if it's been  
> formatted

> on a horrible PC.

Unless Gates has managed to find a way to make volts and amps  
different on Microsuck, you shouldn't have a problem! Mind you, he's  
so damn smart, he might just have!

On the PC/Mac formatting issue.I seem to remember taking my partner's  
iPod (formatted on a PC) and adding music to it from my Mac. I can't  
believe this would be a problem. Hardly a definitive answer, I know.
>


From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Wed Apr  1 22:08:22 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 22:08:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ipods charging
In-Reply-To: <1F22150A-6437-4072-A411-8F656C923B12@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C5F99656.27D11%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

A USB circuit does the charging.
If you plug an iPod into a different computer and it asks you if you want to
sync with the new computer and you ok it - then you delete all that is on it
and get what is on the new computer - according the the settings.

If you have disk mode on then you can get some new tracks that way and add
them to the Mac on returning and then get them into iPod.

If you have certain iPod programs (PC versions) that let you upload and
download to and from iPod then you can swap files directly.

On a Mac Senuti is one such - I believe.

There aren't any horrible PC's.
One shouldnt anthropomorphise machines.
They hate it when you do that!

all the best
Brian


stefan youngs said recently:

>> 
>> From: Martin Fry <martinfry.photo at virgin.net>
>> Subject: [NMUG] ipods
>> 
>> I am away for a few days with my daughter who has an ipod.
>> Can her ipod be charged up on my mac laptop even if it's been
>> formatted
> 
>> on a horrible PC.
> 
> Unless Gates has managed to find a way to make volts and amps
> different on Microsuck, you shouldn't have a problem! Mind you, he's
> so damn smart, he might just have!
> 
> On the PC/Mac formatting issue.I seem to remember taking my partner's
> iPod (formatted on a PC) and adding music to it from my Mac. I can't
> believe this would be a problem. Hardly a definitive answer, I know.
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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From david.maskell at ntlworld.com  Wed Apr  1 22:59:01 2009
From: david.maskell at ntlworld.com (David Maskell)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 22:59:01 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Apple store in Norwich
Message-ID: <324C8E82-465E-4504-9F01-8966A4646B32@ntlworld.com>

Yay!!

Just applied for a position in-store! ( I have 7 years experience as a  
manager), you never know, I could be working for Apple soon!

fingers crossed

David



From valeriehardman at btinternet.com  Thu Apr  2 09:05:36 2009
From: valeriehardman at btinternet.com (VALERIE HARDMAN)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 08:05:36 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 5
In-Reply-To: <mailman.29.1238617206.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <468149.9058.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com>


Thanks to all those who are talking about the maintenance program, it's something I knew nothing about.  Would it be possible to give more info on setting up the program using Applescript and iCal, I just don't know enough about the ways these work to attempt anything at the moment.  
Valerie



> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 20:31:48 +0100
> From: stefan youngs <stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com>
> Subject: [NMUG] Maintenance. Terminal. Nightmares. Joy of
> AppleScript
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> Message-ID:
> <0352C933-1213-4B00-9E86-7DEF89704818 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed;
> delsp=yes
> 
> Thanks to Alan Fry for drawing my attention to the need for
> running  
> maintenance programs. Like Paul D, I had never thought
> something as  
> arcane as this would actually be required on a Mac.. but as
> Alan says,  
> we should deal with the reality, whilst hoping for a better
> tomorrow.
> 
> Fortunately for those of us who don't want to get
> involved in  
> Terminal, we can use the brilliant AppleScript facility
> provided by  
> Apple. Simply make or find an AppleScript that runs these
> maintenance  
> tasks and then make a recurring entry in iCal to activate
> them at, say  
> 10am the first Monday in the month, and you're done.
> 
> Most people don;t realize iCal isn't just a Calendar,
> it can execute  
> Scripts which makes it really really REALLY cool
> 
> Something like this should do the job (but look it up
> somewhere)
> 
> 
> tell application "Terminal"
>      do script   "sudo periodic daily weekly
> monthly"
> end tell
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
>


From ricnev at mac.com  Thu Apr  2 09:18:27 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 09:18:27 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 5
In-Reply-To: <468149.9058.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
References: <468149.9058.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3BA4D53D-BC6E-4577-AEB1-EA9D300BC830@mac.com>


On 2 Apr 2009, at 09:05, VALERIE HARDMAN wrote:

>
> Thanks to all those who are talking about the maintenance program,  
> it's something I knew about.  Would it be possible to give more  
> info on setting up the program using Applescript and iCal, I just  
> don't know enough about the ways these work to attempt anything at  
> the moment.
> Valerie
>
>


If you want to just run the maintenance routines, then (as David Van  
Edwards mentioned) MacJanitor is the way to go. No setting up - it  
just does it.

http://personalpages.tds.net/~brian_hill/macjanitor.html


Richard.


From allan at dsol.co.uk  Thu Apr  2 09:34:32 2009
From: allan at dsol.co.uk (Allan)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 09:34:32 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 5
In-Reply-To: <468149.9058.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
References: <468149.9058.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B8B72335-1F41-40CF-9B49-B8AD956E976F@dsol.co.uk>


On 2 Apr 2009, at 09:05, VALERIE HARDMAN wrote:

>
> Thanks to all those who are talking about the maintenance program,  
> it's something I knew nothing about.  Would it be possible to give  
> more info on setting up the program using Applescript and iCal, I  
> just don't know enough about the ways these work to attempt anything  
> at the moment.
> Valerie
>


As a note, you could also have a look at Macaroni. No setting up to do  
apart from a couple of preferences, runs in the background. Just plug  
and forget. Apart from the Daily, Weekly and Monthly Maintenance  
scripts and Repair Permissions, it will also remove Localised Files.  
but worth reading the instructions before you run this last option.  
(Personally, I uncheck this option and use another program to do the  
job.)

Very dependable program and over the years I have been using it I've  
never had a problem. Well worth the $9.99 the developer charges. More  
info at:

http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/9633/macaroni

Allan Johns.


From thegees at jennygee.f2s.com  Thu Apr  2 10:18:47 2009
From: thegees at jennygee.f2s.com (Malcolm Gee)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 10:18:47 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac maintenance programmes
In-Reply-To: <B8B72335-1F41-40CF-9B49-B8AD956E976F@dsol.co.uk>
References: <468149.9058.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
	<B8B72335-1F41-40CF-9B49-B8AD956E976F@dsol.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DF9E542D-6E13-416F-A25B-F06EB72FAD0B@jennygee.f2s.com>

Dear All,

You can also use Cocktail, available at:-

http://www.maintain.se/cocktail/download.php

Regards,


Malcolm.


On 2 Apr 2009, at 09:34, Allan wrote:

>
> On 2 Apr 2009, at 09:05, VALERIE HARDMAN wrote:
>
>>
>> Thanks to all those who are talking about the maintenance program,
>> it's something I knew nothing about.  Would it be possible to give
>> more info on setting up the program using Applescript and iCal, I
>> just don't know enough about the ways these work to attempt anything
>> at the moment.
>> Valerie
>>
>
>
> As a note, you could also have a look at Macaroni. No setting up to do
> apart from a couple of preferences, runs in the background. Just plug
> and forget. Apart from the Daily, Weekly and Monthly Maintenance
> scripts and Repair Permissions, it will also remove Localised Files.
> but worth reading the instructions before you run this last option.
> (Personally, I uncheck this option and use another program to do the
> job.)
>
> Very dependable program and over the years I have been using it I've
> never had a problem. Well worth the $9.99 the developer charges. More
> info at:
>
> http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/9633/macaroni
>
> Allan Johns.
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



From Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net  Thu Apr  2 10:36:09 2009
From: Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net (Jeremy Webb)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 10:36:09 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac maintenance programmes
In-Reply-To: <DF9E542D-6E13-416F-A25B-F06EB72FAD0B@jennygee.f2s.com>
References: <468149.9058.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
	<B8B72335-1F41-40CF-9B49-B8AD956E976F@dsol.co.uk>
	<DF9E542D-6E13-416F-A25B-F06EB72FAD0B@jennygee.f2s.com>
Message-ID: <05D3AA76-B7F8-47D6-BC13-6A39B5403739@virgin.net>

I always thought Onyx was the top dog here. I use this in Tiger
and jolly good it is too.

Jeremy Webb
Jeremywebb.photo at virgin.net



On 2 Apr 2009, at 10:18, Malcolm Gee wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> You can also use Cocktail, available at:-
>
> http://www.maintain.se/cocktail/download.php
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Malcolm.
>
>
> On 2 Apr 2009, at 09:34, Allan wrote:
>
>>
>> On 2 Apr 2009, at 09:05, VALERIE HARDMAN wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks to all those who are talking about the maintenance program,
>>> it's something I knew nothing about.  Would it be possible to give
>>> more info on setting up the program using Applescript and iCal, I
>>> just don't know enough about the ways these work to attempt anything
>>> at the moment.
>>> Valerie
>>>
>>
>>
>> As a note, you could also have a look at Macaroni. No setting up  
>> to do
>> apart from a couple of preferences, runs in the background. Just plug
>> and forget. Apart from the Daily, Weekly and Monthly Maintenance
>> scripts and Repair Permissions, it will also remove Localised Files.
>> but worth reading the instructions before you run this last option.
>> (Personally, I uncheck this option and use another program to do the
>> job.)
>>
>> Very dependable program and over the years I have been using it I've
>> never had a problem. Well worth the $9.99 the developer charges. More
>> info at:
>>
>> http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/9633/macaroni
>>
>> Allan Johns.
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From valeriehardman at btinternet.com  Thu Apr  2 11:01:57 2009
From: valeriehardman at btinternet.com (VALERIE HARDMAN)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 10:01:57 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 4
In-Reply-To: <mailman.25.1238601890.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <521100.31087.qm@web86504.mail.ird.yahoo.com>


Hi again
I looked up the further information address given by Alan (see below) and it includes this,

"[1] If you log out from your Mac OS X system and leave it with the Login Window displayed, your Mac can still enter sleep mode. When left at the Login Window, your Mac will enter sleep mode based on the settings specified by the last Admin user in System Preferences > Energy Saver. Therefore, if you want to leave your Mac with the Login Window displayed and still have the nightly Mac OS X maintenance routines run automatically, an Admin user must set System Sleep to Never in the System Preferences > Energy Saver > Sleep tab."

If I did this once a week would this be enough?  I did look at altering the time settings in Terminal or at least checking when the maintenance was last done but other postings made me concerned that something dire might happen.  The code to type in for checking the last maintenance was slightly different on the further information site than it was in Alan's posting.

If it is ok to simply set the computer to never sleep, what do I set?  Is it just the computer, or the computer and the display.  What do I put in the box for putting the hard disc to sleep whenever possible, at the moment this is ticked, would I have to untick this?
I know this is simple stuff compared to much of what is on the site, but I would be grateful for some advice,
thanks
Valerie




> The moral of this tale is that if your machines are
> normally either  
> off or asleep at 03:15 it would be a good idea to run the
> maintenance  
> scripts manually on a regular basis, or at the very least
> to check  
> when last they were run. Otherwise log files and other junk
> will clog  
> up the hard disc.
> 
> For further information see
> <http://www.thexlab.com/faqs/maintscripts.html 
>  >.
> 
> I hope this is helpful...
> 
> Alan Fry
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> 


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Apr  5 11:37:24 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun,  5 Apr 2009 11:37:24 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 4
Message-ID: <N1W18WQgvjxD.1Njkhv40@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

I have just picked up on this thread, so forgive if I ask something already answered.

My desktops used to be left on at night, but not now I use a PowerBook.

I've used Onyx in the past to manually run them, but it has gotten me thinking I also need to do something more regular than 'when I remember'.

Can you reset the time this maintenance is done?

Simon

--- visit my Mac site http://www.simonroyal.co.uk or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal' (sent using Nokia E71)

-original message-
Subject: Re: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 4
From: VALERIE HARDMAN <valeriehardman at btinternet.com>
Date: 02/04/2009 11:02


Hi again
I looked up the further information address given by Alan (see below) and it includes this,

"[1] If you log out from your Mac OS X system and leave it with the Login Window displayed, your Mac can still enter sleep mode. When left at the Login Window, your Mac will enter sleep mode based on the settings specified by the last Admin user in System Preferences > Energy Saver. Therefore, if you want to leave your Mac with the Login Window displayed and still have the nightly Mac OS X maintenance routines run automatically, an Admin user must set System Sleep to Never in the System Preferences > Energy Saver > Sleep tab."

If I did this once a week would this be enough?  I did look at altering the time settings in Terminal or at least checking when the maintenance was last done but other postings made me concerned that something dire might happen.  The code to type in for checking the last maintenance was slightly different on the further information site than it was in Alan's posting.

If it is ok to simply set the computer to never sleep, what do I set?  Is it just the computer, or the computer and the display.  What do I put in the box for putting the hard disc to sleep whenever possible, at the moment this is ticked, would I have to untick this?
I know this is simple stuff compared to much of what is on the site, but I would be grateful for some advice,
thanks
Valerie




> The moral of this tale is that if your machines are
> normally either  
> off or asleep at 03:15 it would be a good idea to run the
> maintenance  
> scripts manually on a regular basis, or at the very least
> to check  
> when last they were run. Otherwise log files and other junk
> will clog  
> up the hard disc.
> 
> For further information see
> <http://www.thexlab.com/faqs/maintscripts.html 
>  >.
> 
> I hope this is helpful...
> 
> Alan Fry
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> 
_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
NMUG at durrant.co.uk
http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Thu Apr  2 11:43:17 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 11:43:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 63,
 Issue 4 - is actually about maintenance routines
In-Reply-To: <521100.31087.qm@web86504.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C5FA5555.27D47%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

If one never ran the maintainance routines - as probably the majority of
users never do - what actual recorded or known problems arise?


Holding shift during startup runs disk verify and repair - and I believe
maintenance routines and is not a bad thing to do if one has experienced
anomalies.

The names of the routines suggest - do they not that one is intended
originally to be executed daily. another weekly and yet another monthly and
not al always all at once.

Does anyone have any link to anything direct from Apple regarding these
functions?

As far as I know - which is not a lot - the routines include the clearing of
old logs - and maybe caches?

Some of the other functions that the GUI applications such as Onyx and
others offer that include system prebinding, deleting caches etc - can
actually cause problem - at least I have seen this - such that the system
had to be reinstalled.

There is such a liability in today's world - (or perhaps all worlds) - for a
bit of conjecture and a bit of information to become a bit of superstition
or misguided belief - with unnecessary results.

I occasionally run these routines because I'm a bit geeky in some areas of
my Mac usage and also try out and explore a lot of things around the edges.

But If - while we were talking about them - I found out a bit more about it
all then that would be good.

I do not find Apple to be always on the ball - and indeed I often sigh at
some of their implementation these days. But I also cant help thinking that
if these routines were IMPORTANT - then they would be run on schedule - and
also folks ringing up or going to the Apple Genies would be told to run them
- and Apple would have a GUI to do so.

I write this in part because I sigh at the prospect of dragging ordinary
users into another procedure that they may not really need concern
themselves with from a sense of worry or fear of consequences if they dont.

all the best
Brian




From robharrington at mac.com  Thu Apr  2 11:54:42 2009
From: robharrington at mac.com (ROB HARRINGTON)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 11:54:42 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] maintenance routines
In-Reply-To: <C5FA5555.27D47%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
References: <C5FA5555.27D47%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
Message-ID: <EA40EB2B-2CB1-4286-9F42-9A3039065AC3@mac.com>

How very timely Brian; I nearly joined the ranks of people who put  
their rubbish bin when the collection is going to be a day late  
because they have seen someone else put their bin out- just in  
case...........
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob

On 2 Apr 2009, at 11:43, Brian Steere wrote:

> If one never ran the maintainance routines - as probably the  
> majority of
> users never do - what actual recorded or known problems arise?
>
>
> Holding shift during startup runs disk verify and repair - and I  
> believe
> maintenance routines and is not a bad thing to do if one has  
> experienced
> anomalies.
>
> The names of the routines suggest - do they not that one is intended
> originally to be executed daily. another weekly and yet another  
> monthly and
> not al always all at once.
>
> Does anyone have any link to anything direct from Apple regarding  
> these
> functions?
>
> As far as I know - which is not a lot - the routines include the  
> clearing of
> old logs - and maybe caches?
>
> Some of the other functions that the GUI applications such as Onyx and
> others offer that include system prebinding, deleting caches etc - can
> actually cause problem - at least I have seen this - such that the  
> system
> had to be reinstalled.
>
> There is such a liability in today's world - (or perhaps all  
> worlds) - for a
> bit of conjecture and a bit of information to become a bit of  
> superstition
> or misguided belief - with unnecessary results.
>
> I occasionally run these routines because I'm a bit geeky in some  
> areas of
> my Mac usage and also try out and explore a lot of things around  
> the edges.
>
> But If - while we were talking about them - I found out a bit more  
> about it
> all then that would be good.
>
> I do not find Apple to be always on the ball - and indeed I often  
> sigh at
> some of their implementation these days. But I also cant help  
> thinking that
> if these routines were IMPORTANT - then they would be run on  
> schedule - and
> also folks ringing up or going to the Apple Genies would be told to  
> run them
> - and Apple would have a GUI to do so.
>
> I write this in part because I sigh at the prospect of dragging  
> ordinary
> users into another procedure that they may not really need concern
> themselves with from a sense of worry or fear of consequences if  
> they dont.
>
> all the best
> Brian
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Thu Apr  2 12:09:53 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 12:09:53 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iCal and Sleep
In-Reply-To: <mailman.35.1238666520.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.35.1238666520.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <67C98FA5-6A5D-4BF1-9CE6-FBF6C64AF68C@gmail.com>



>
> iCal is an interesting possibility I hadn't thought of. But does it
> evade the 'sleep' problem and if so how?


iCal is quite something when you get into it.

Ref sleep issue, good info at

http://murphymac.com/schedule-a-command-without-cron/


From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Thu Apr  2 12:18:50 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 12:18:50 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Ordinary Users?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1238670001.57829.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1.1238670001.57829.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <40CC0B37-5EED-499A-8E68-EE8988D52393@gmail.com>


On 2 Apr 2009, at 12:00, Brian wrote

> I write this in part because I sigh at the prospect of dragging  
> ordinary
> users into another procedure that they may not really need concern
> themselves with from a sense of worry or fear of consequences if  
> they dont.

(Said imperiously) The masses? Let them eat cron.



From macman at f2s.com  Thu Apr  2 12:23:31 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 12:23:31 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 4
In-Reply-To: <521100.31087.qm@web86504.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
References: <521100.31087.qm@web86504.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E3BD2099-C23A-4733-918F-FA8CFB027B72@f2s.com>

Since I download backups of our server each night, when my bandwidth  
allowance is unmetered, my iMac is like New York - never sleeps!
SuperDuper also runs an overnight backup 3 times a week, and Time  
machine chugs away all night.

I've always understood that rebooting/spinning up is the most  
stressful task an HD has to perform, and the fewer cycles it performs,  
the better for its health & longevity.

The screen, however, does sleep, after 30mins.  There is also an  
option to wind down the Hard Disk when inactive - there's a checkbox  
in the preferences for this.  I don't do it, but it may be an  
alternative solution to keeping the machine awake, but again it may  
stress the HD un-necessarily.

I would have thought that with the screen sleeping and the HD at rest,  
the machine can hardly be the cause of much global warming ....

Robbie






On 2 Apr 2009, at 11:01, VALERIE HARDMAN wrote:


Hi again
I looked up the further information address given by Alan (see below)  
and it includes this,

"[1] If you log out from your Mac OS X system and leave it with the  
Login Window displayed, your Mac can still enter sleep mode. When left  
at the Login Window, your Mac will enter sleep mode based on the  
settings specified by the last Admin user in System Preferences >  
Energy Saver. Therefore, if you want to leave your Mac with the Login  
Window displayed and still have the nightly Mac OS X maintenance  
routines run automatically, an Admin user must set System Sleep to  
Never in the System Preferences > Energy Saver > Sleep tab."

If I did this once a week would this be enough?  I did look at  
altering the time settings in Terminal or at least checking when the  
maintenance was last done but other postings made me concerned that  
something dire might happen.  The code to type in for checking the  
last maintenance was slightly different on the further information  
site than it was in Alan's posting.

If it is ok to simply set the computer to never sleep, what do I set?   
Is it just the computer, or the computer and the display.  What do I  
put in the box for putting the hard disc to sleep whenever possible,  
at the moment this is ticked, would I have to untick this?
I know this is simple stuff compared to much of what is on the site,  
but I would be grateful for some advice,
thanks
Valerie




> The moral of this tale is that if your machines are
> normally either
> off or asleep at 03:15 it would be a good idea to run the
> maintenance
> scripts manually on a regular basis, or at the very least
> to check
> when last they were run. Otherwise log files and other junk
> will clog
> up the hard disc.
>
> For further information see
> <http://www.thexlab.com/faqs/maintscripts.html
>> .
>
> I hope this is helpful...
>
> Alan Fry
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
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From ajf at afco.demon.co.uk  Thu Apr  2 12:30:04 2009
From: ajf at afco.demon.co.uk (Alan Fry)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 12:30:04 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 4
In-Reply-To: <521100.31087.qm@web86504.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
References: <521100.31087.qm@web86504.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A8D4BFCE-89F1-44E9-A72A-7734D8B788A9@afco.demon.co.uk>


On 2 Apr 2009, at 11:01, VALERIE HARDMAN wrote:

> I looked up the further information address given by Alan (see  
> below) and it includes this,
>
> "[1] If you log out from your Mac OS X system and leave it with the  
> Login Window displayed, your Mac can still enter sleep mode. When  
> left at the Login Window, your Mac will enter sleep mode based on  
> the settings specified by the last Admin user in System Preferences  
> > Energy Saver. Therefore, if you want to leave your Mac with the  
> Login Window displayed and still have the nightly Mac OS X  
> maintenance routines run automatically, an Admin user must set  
> System Sleep to Never in the System Preferences > Energy Saver >  
> Sleep tab."
>
> If I did this once a week would this be enough?  I did look at  
> altering the time settings in Terminal or at least checking when the  
> maintenance was last done but other postings made me concerned that  
> something dire might happen.  The code to type in for checking the  
> last maintenance was slightly different on the further information  
> site than it was in Alan's posting.

No, it is in fact identical. You type the bit following the '$' sign.  
It is totally safe to do -- nothing dire will happen. If you make a  
mistake in typing you will just get an error message. (It will  
probably be incomprehensible, but that's computers for you...)

> If it is ok to simply set the computer to never sleep, what do I  
> set?  Is it just the computer, or the computer and the display.   
> What do I put in the box for putting the hard disc to sleep whenever  
> possible, at the moment this is ticked, would I have to untick this?
> I know this is simple stuff compared to much of what is on the site,  
> but I would be grateful for some advice,

  If it helps this is what I do. The computer is set to the default  
sleep pattern (see System Preferences -> Energy Saver); ie the  
computer goes to sleep and the screen turns off after 10 minutes of  
idle time. The same with the lap-top. Both sleep happily all night.  
That saves a little energy and probably extends the screen's life a  
little. The r?gime suits us well enough for what we do.

This means the maintenance routines never run.

The maintenance runs really need to be done when the computer is idle,  
which is presumably why Apple set the run time to be in the middle of   
the night. So it is not a good idea to alter the time to some point  
during the day, because a) the computer might be busy or b) it might  
be asleep anyway.

It might be possible to use iCal/AppleScript to run the maintenance  
scripts. However I think you will find that iCal would have to use  
'launchd' for the timing and would not therefore avoid the 'sleep  
problem'. The same probably applies to other free-ware and share-ware  
utilities; after all they all use the same BSD operating system and  
would perforce have to employ either 'cron' or 'launchd'.

The safest thing to do is run the maintenance scripts by hand from  
time to time. Clearly everyone has their own GUI favourites for the  
purpose -- caveat emptor.

For me the simplest thing is to type 'sudo periodic daily' (or monthly  
or weekly) and hit the return key.

One can get over-anxious about the issue. Yesterday for instance I  
checked the MacBook and found the last maintenance date was March 31.  
Fine I thought -- took another look and saw it was actually March 31,  
2008. But the lap-top has been quite happy in all this time nonetheless.

One further thought. As you know you can put AppleScripts in the main  
MenuBar. I have a 'QuitAll' script to shut down the plethora of  
running applications which accumulate in the dock. A script up there  
to do the maintenance would perhaps be a nice idea.

Sorry this is an over-long reply, but I hope it will be of some help  
nevertheless.

Kind regards,

Alan

>> The moral of this tale is that if your machines are
>> normally either
>> off or asleep at 03:15 it would be a good idea to run the
>> maintenance
>> scripts manually on a regular basis, or at the very least
>> to check
>> when last they were run. Otherwise log files and other junk
>> will clog
>> up the hard disc.
>>
>> For further information see
>> <http://www.thexlab.com/faqs/maintscripts.html


From ajf at afco.demon.co.uk  Thu Apr  2 12:38:19 2009
From: ajf at afco.demon.co.uk (Alan Fry)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 12:38:19 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iCal and Sleep
In-Reply-To: <67C98FA5-6A5D-4BF1-9CE6-FBF6C64AF68C@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.35.1238666520.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<67C98FA5-6A5D-4BF1-9CE6-FBF6C64AF68C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2FFB18C5-6051-4878-A977-F472C1CEDA75@afco.demon.co.uk>


On 2 Apr 2009, at 12:09, stefan youngs wrote:

>
>
>>
>> iCal is an interesting possibility I hadn't thought of. But does it
>> evade the 'sleep' problem and if so how?
>
>
> iCal is quite something when you get into it.
>
> Ref sleep issue, good info at
>
>
> http://murphymac.com/schedule-a-command-without-cron/

...which all about 'launchd' which is what I was talking about. Apple  
has 'deprecated' 'cron' in favour of 'launchd'.

Regards,

Alan

>


From macman at f2s.com  Thu Apr  2 12:40:44 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 12:40:44 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Ordinary Users?
In-Reply-To: <40CC0B37-5EED-499A-8E68-EE8988D52393@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1238670001.57829.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<40CC0B37-5EED-499A-8E68-EE8988D52393@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <208E2AA1-E12A-4107-84E9-FDEB893E4F31@f2s.com>

Doesn't that lead to Cron's Disease?   A very painful and unpleasant  
affliction.

Robbie

On 2 Apr 2009, at 12:18, stefan youngs wrote:


On 2 Apr 2009, at 12:00, Brian wrote

> I write this in part because I sigh at the prospect of dragging
> ordinary
> users into another procedure that they may not really need concern
> themselves with from a sense of worry or fear of consequences if
> they dont.

(Said imperiously) The masses? Let them eat cron.

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From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Thu Apr  2 14:12:01 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 14:12:01 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Database driven Web site
Message-ID: <0347E2BF-E760-44AB-A41E-A927448503DB@gmail.com>

For an old friend, I am working on adding eCommerce to an existing  
site for high end products (?1000 and up). My budget is infinite  
energy but zero or near zero money owing to a distinct lack of the  
folding green stuff (or is it blue? It's been so long since I've seen  
any).

The site is developed using native html, and I don't want to go to  
Dreamweaver, Go Live or any other program of this type, so plug-in  
solutions that require such programs would be a last resort for me.

Does anybody have recommendations for me to look at?

There may be thousands of stock items to deal with, each with a low- 
res picture and an associated hi-res picture, description, and price.  
Does anybody have recommendations whereby I can use a database  
approach to drive page generation. At its simplest, an Excel  
spreadsheet would do with the data and images included which is then  
used to feed into an html template and thereby generate a working  
page. Does anybody have experience of this approach?

Alternatively a  full database program could be used such as  
Filemaker. Does anybody have experience of this approach?

Finally could someone please remind me of the birding site run by one  
of our members? I;d like to see what they do.

Thanks in advance.




From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk  Thu Apr  2 14:19:52 2009
From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 14:19:52 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Memory and iMovie 09
In-Reply-To: <C5F98B00.27CAD%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
References: <C5F98B00.27CAD%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
Message-ID: <75EE20D5-C119-4905-99DD-B6FC0B0C2B01@mendelsohn.me.uk>

Success at last - re-installed iMovie 08 by carrying out the procedure  
below.

Much quicker as well thanks to extra memory installed!

Thanks to everyone for all your valuable help and advice.  Beware of  
installing the current 'fix' to iMovie 08!

Ed


>>>
>>> On 1 Apr 2009, at 12:10, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> 1. Move the iMovie 8.01 out of the Applications folder onto the  
>>>> desk
>>>> top and then rename it
>>>>
>>>> 2. re-instal iMove 8 from the iLife 9 disk.
>>>>


From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Thu Apr  2 14:24:04 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 14:24:04 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Database driven Web site
In-Reply-To: <0347E2BF-E760-44AB-A41E-A927448503DB@gmail.com>
References: <0347E2BF-E760-44AB-A41E-A927448503DB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b3501abe0f5c1709be2b6b18148e9a8e@virgin.net>

Hi stefan

I use Paypal on my website for customers to purchase prints and 
canvases.  This was actually free from Paypal.
my only cost was for my web designer to add a place for me to change 
prices etc.

Hope this is what you were looking for

regards

Martin

www.martinfryphotography.com



> I am working on adding eCommerce to an existing
> site for high end products (?1000 and up). My budget is infinite
> energy but zero or near zero money owing to a distinct lack of the
> folding green stuff 

From munkt0n at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 14:26:34 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 14:26:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Database driven Web site
In-Reply-To: <0347E2BF-E760-44AB-A41E-A927448503DB@gmail.com>
References: <0347E2BF-E760-44AB-A41E-A927448503DB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0904020626j3f61d43dxff844a022fb294e5@mail.gmail.com>

Stefan,

there is an off-the-shelf open source e-commerce package called
'oscommerce', it's written in PHP, and uses mysql as a database.
be warned - the code is very messy, mainly old php 4, hardly any trace
of classes, and no separation of display/business logic etc, and it
can be a complete git to customise, but it's certainly a lot easier
than starting from scratch. I managed to put this site together in a
couple of weeks - http://www.invisionexpress.com/

you can import products from a spreadsheet/CSV, has paypal support
built in, and support for a few merchant banks.

oscommerce lives here if you want to take a look. http://www.oscommerce.com/

PS - stay up to date with the security patches if you go down this
route, the code is shockingly bad in places, and you don't want to end
up dropping Russian trojans on your customers!

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 2:12 PM, stefan youngs
<stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com> wrote:
> For an old friend, I am working on adding eCommerce to an existing
> site for high end products (?1000 and up). My budget is infinite
> energy but zero or near zero money owing to a distinct lack of the
> folding green stuff (or is it blue? It's been so long since I've seen
> any).
>
> The site is developed using native html, and I don't want to go to
> Dreamweaver, Go Live or any other program of this type, so plug-in
> solutions that require such programs would be a last resort for me.
>
> Does anybody have recommendations for me to look at?
>
> There may be thousands of stock items to deal with, each with a low-
> res picture and an associated hi-res picture, description, and price.
> Does anybody have recommendations whereby I can use a database
> approach to drive page generation. At its simplest, an Excel
> spreadsheet would do with the data and images included which is then
> used to feed into an html template and thereby generate a working
> page. Does anybody have experience of this approach?
>
> Alternatively a ?full database program could be used such as
> Filemaker. Does anybody have experience of this approach?
>
> Finally could someone please remind me of the birding site run by one
> of our members? I;d like to see what they do.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



-- 
:wq


From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Thu Apr  2 14:38:06 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 14:38:06 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] global warming
In-Reply-To: <mailman.37.1238678797.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.37.1238678797.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <D95AF645-2FAF-4625-8792-99CFFDA000EE@gmail.com>


On 2 Apr 2009, at 14:26, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:

> I would have thought that with the screen sleeping and the HD at rest,
> the machine can hardly be the cause of much global warming ....


ah ha! My chance to get my oar in. I'm a physicist working in this  
area and can assure you, no amount of electricity generation will have  
more than an immeasurably small effect on global temperature, despite  
all the propaganda you read on the subject. Do not be suckered into  
supporting this particular agenda, it is scientifically banal,  
economically disastrous and utterly wasteful. I have a paper on the  
matter prepared for the US Senate as part of an effort by 35,000 hard  
scientists worldwide (physicists, chemists, mathematicians etc.) to  
puncture the perception that man made global warming 'theory' has  any  
merit as hard science, interesting thought it certainly is as 'soft  
science', in particular social engineering supporting a number of  
agenda. I'll send it to anybody interested to read it.


From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Thu Apr  2 14:56:52 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 14:56:52 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 4
In-Reply-To: <E3BD2099-C23A-4733-918F-FA8CFB027B72@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <C5FA82B4.27D87%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

No I concur Robbie but we might have to put you on a diet of fish oil!
(recent news item reference)

I don't really know about whether HDs like to spin down or run continuously
or whether booting is more stress than simply spinning up from rest.

I don't like beachballs while drives spin up so I don't have my HDs set to
sleep.

I can go a long while without booting but then sometimes do so just as a
refresher (or with software update) - as not everything releases ram or
behaves properly and as any troubleshooter knows - restart is one of the
first things to do because anomalies can be freak occurrences.

I would like the new economy to factor in - or design for - maximal true
wealth - and somehow the fiscal model has to fit in with that instead of
vice versa. Some of that happens - some new devices are becoming much more
efficient and economic in say power usage for sleep. But the discovery of
what works is often abandoned in search of seeking competitive sales
advantage.

Global warming may or may not yet have millions migrating to higher ground -
but I feel the issue distracts from awakening a true environmental
responsibility and is often promoted coercively. Where there's fear -
there's manipulation and control in the guise of protector.


regards
Brian


Robbie Murray said recently:

> Since I download backups of our server each night, when my bandwidth
> allowance is unmetered, my iMac is like New York - never sleeps!
> SuperDuper also runs an overnight backup 3 times a week, and Time
> machine chugs away all night.
> 
> I've always understood that rebooting/spinning up is the most
> stressful task an HD has to perform, and the fewer cycles it performs,
> the better for its health & longevity.
> 
> The screen, however, does sleep, after 30mins.  There is also an
> option to wind down the Hard Disk when inactive - there's a checkbox
> in the preferences for this.  I don't do it, but it may be an
> alternative solution to keeping the machine awake, but again it may
> stress the HD un-necessarily.
> 
> I would have thought that with the screen sleeping and the HD at rest,
> the machine can hardly be the cause of much global warming ....
> 
> Robbie
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 2 Apr 2009, at 11:01, VALERIE HARDMAN wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi again
> I looked up the further information address given by Alan (see below)
> and it includes this,
> 
> "[1] If you log out from your Mac OS X system and leave it with the
> Login Window displayed, your Mac can still enter sleep mode. When left
> at the Login Window, your Mac will enter sleep mode based on the
> settings specified by the last Admin user in System Preferences >
> Energy Saver. Therefore, if you want to leave your Mac with the Login
> Window displayed and still have the nightly Mac OS X maintenance
> routines run automatically, an Admin user must set System Sleep to
> Never in the System Preferences > Energy Saver > Sleep tab."
> 
> If I did this once a week would this be enough?  I did look at
> altering the time settings in Terminal or at least checking when the
> maintenance was last done but other postings made me concerned that
> something dire might happen.  The code to type in for checking the
> last maintenance was slightly different on the further information
> site than it was in Alan's posting.
> 
> If it is ok to simply set the computer to never sleep, what do I set?
> Is it just the computer, or the computer and the display.  What do I
> put in the box for putting the hard disc to sleep whenever possible,
> at the moment this is ticked, would I have to untick this?
> I know this is simple stuff compared to much of what is on the site,
> but I would be grateful for some advice,
> thanks
> Valerie
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> The moral of this tale is that if your machines are
>> normally either
>> off or asleep at 03:15 it would be a good idea to run the
>> maintenance
>> scripts manually on a regular basis, or at the very least
>> to check
>> when last they were run. Otherwise log files and other junk
>> will clog
>> up the hard disc.
>> 
>> For further information see
>> <http://www.thexlab.com/faqs/maintscripts.html
>>> .
>> 
>> I hope this is helpful...
>> 
>> Alan Fry
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> 
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From macman at f2s.com  Thu Apr  2 15:12:34 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 15:12:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Database driven Web site
In-Reply-To: <0347E2BF-E760-44AB-A41E-A927448503DB@gmail.com>
References: <0347E2BF-E760-44AB-A41E-A927448503DB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2BAC6DD4-7E93-4200-AF0E-412C91725B06@f2s.com>

Hi Stefan

We run our entire business - Sales/Purchasing/Inventory etc - on a  
Filemaker database built by me and hosted remotely to allow access  
from 18 staff in several diverse locations while interfacing  
seamlessly with our website which sits alongside, and we are about to  
launch a series of additional websites all running off the same  
database.

http://www.the-owl-barn.com/

Due to the size and complexity of our database, we opted for a  
dedicated server, but the hosting company have an inexpensive shared  
server option, and are also Filemaker developers, so can help with any  
integration problems.  They're also small enough to respond quickly in  
the event of any problem, and we have developed a very good  
relationship with them.  You may wish to take a look.

http://www.hostfilemaker.com/

If I can be of any help, please contact me off list.

Robbie





On 2 Apr 2009, at 14:12, stefan youngs wrote:

For an old friend, I am working on adding eCommerce to an existing
site for high end products (?1000 and up). My budget is infinite
energy but zero or near zero money owing to a distinct lack of the
folding green stuff (or is it blue? It's been so long since I've seen
any).

The site is developed using native html, and I don't want to go to
Dreamweaver, Go Live or any other program of this type, so plug-in
solutions that require such programs would be a last resort for me.

Does anybody have recommendations for me to look at?

There may be thousands of stock items to deal with, each with a low-
res picture and an associated hi-res picture, description, and price.
Does anybody have recommendations whereby I can use a database
approach to drive page generation. At its simplest, an Excel
spreadsheet would do with the data and images included which is then
used to feed into an html template and thereby generate a working
page. Does anybody have experience of this approach?

Alternatively a  full database program could be used such as
Filemaker. Does anybody have experience of this approach?

Finally could someone please remind me of the birding site run by one
of our members? I;d like to see what they do.

Thanks in advance.


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From kevin at sanderling.co.uk  Thu Apr  2 15:24:50 2009
From: kevin at sanderling.co.uk (Kevin Allenby)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 15:24:50 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Database driven Web site
In-Reply-To: <0347E2BF-E760-44AB-A41E-A927448503DB@gmail.com>
References: <0347E2BF-E760-44AB-A41E-A927448503DB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9c83344f0904020724q13778ef5r6dbcb6f92c49896f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Stefan

I'm the Bird Man (although I'm embarrassed that it it so out of date at the
moment - update this weekend!)
www.birdsofbritain.co.uk

E-commerce sites - we do quite a few of these, and for small sites, as
others have suggested, we generally use PayPal - quick, simple and cheap to
set up.

For large sites, and that would definitely be your case with possible
thousands of items, we use a dedicated e-commerce package, Actinic, which
costs around ?400 (from memory), but is worth it as it makes creating a
large site simpler (though still a lot of work!) and the client can then
update it themselves (add new products, change prices etc). It also makes it
relatively straightforward to add discounts options, BOGOF, 3 for 2 etc, and
also easily handles different delivery/postage options and different taxes
in different countries. It will also handle stock if required (and show a
product as not available when stock runs out) - although I;ve never used
that option.

An example of an actinic site (around 600 producs, each with its own 6 level
discount structure based on quantity!), where you can see how it handles
things is;

http://www.impressivecrafts.com

Cheers
Kevin



2009/4/2 stefan youngs <stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com>

> For an old friend, I am working on adding eCommerce to an existing
> site for high end products (?1000 and up). My budget is infinite
> energy but zero or near zero money owing to a distinct lack of the
> folding green stuff (or is it blue? It's been so long since I've seen
> any).
>
> The site is developed using native html, and I don't want to go to
> Dreamweaver, Go Live or any other program of this type, so plug-in
> solutions that require such programs would be a last resort for me.
>
> Does anybody have recommendations for me to look at?
>
> There may be thousands of stock items to deal with, each with a low-
> res picture and an associated hi-res picture, description, and price.
> Does anybody have recommendations whereby I can use a database
> approach to drive page generation. At its simplest, an Excel
> spreadsheet would do with the data and images included which is then
> used to feed into an html template and thereby generate a working
> page. Does anybody have experience of this approach?
>
> Alternatively a  full database program could be used such as
> Filemaker. Does anybody have experience of this approach?
>
> Finally could someone please remind me of the birding site run by one
> of our members? I;d like to see what they do.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Apr  5 17:21:49 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun,  5 Apr 2009 17:21:49 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] global warming
Message-ID: <trSdjgFWLykt.kNw9SppZ@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Stefan

Glad someone said it. All this banging on about how bad computers are is so annoying.

When will people learn there is never any scientific grounding, just bad propaganda that snow balls.

Computers are harmful, wifi is harmful, mobile phones are harmful, TV is bad for your eyes...

Something will kill us all eventually, probably the link up with SkyNet will be the start of it. You might as well enjoy yourself while you can.

Simon

--- visit my Mac site http://www.simonroyal.co.uk or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal' (sent using Nokia E71)

-original message-
Subject: [NMUG] global warming
From: stefan youngs <stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com>
Date: 02/04/2009 14:38


On 2 Apr 2009, at 14:26, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:

> I would have thought that with the screen sleeping and the HD at rest,
> the machine can hardly be the cause of much global warming ....


ah ha! My chance to get my oar in. I'm a physicist working in this  
area and can assure you, no amount of electricity generation will have  
more than an immeasurably small effect on global temperature, despite  
all the propaganda you read on the subject. Do not be suckered into  
supporting this particular agenda, it is scientifically banal,  
economically disastrous and utterly wasteful. I have a paper on the  
matter prepared for the US Senate as part of an effort by 35,000 hard  
scientists worldwide (physicists, chemists, mathematicians etc.) to  
puncture the perception that man made global warming 'theory' has  any  
merit as hard science, interesting thought it certainly is as 'soft  
science', in particular social engineering supporting a number of  
agenda. I'll send it to anybody interested to read it.
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From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Thu Apr  2 17:45:14 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:45:14 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] global warming
In-Reply-To: <D95AF645-2FAF-4625-8792-99CFFDA000EE@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.37.1238678797.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<D95AF645-2FAF-4625-8792-99CFFDA000EE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <69203B03-14E0-4832-A8CD-BADFD22958AB@zen.co.uk>


Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 2 Apr 2009, at 14:38, stefan youngs wrote:

>
> On 2 Apr 2009, at 14:26, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:
>
>> I would have thought that with the screen sleeping and the HD at  
>> rest,
>> the machine can hardly be the cause of much global warming ....
>
>
> ah ha! My chance to get my oar in. I'm a physicist working in this
> area and can assure you, no amount of electricity generation will have
> more than an immeasurably small effect on global temperature, despite
> all the propaganda you read on the subject. Do not be suckered into
> supporting this particular agenda, it is scientifically banal,
> economically disastrous and utterly wasteful. I have a paper on the
> matter prepared for the US Senate as part of an effort by 35,000 hard
> scientists worldwide (physicists, chemists, mathematicians etc.) to
> puncture the perception that man made global warming 'theory' has  any
> merit as hard science, interesting thought it certainly is as 'soft
> science', in particular social engineering supporting a number of
> agenda. I'll send it to anybody interested to read it.
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Thu Apr  2 17:44:01 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:44:01 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] bonds
Message-ID: <6d706beca9e921f6f878da5bdbdee644@virgin.net>

I enquired at John lewis about the Canon G10 camera which is ?372.00.

Simply electronics in Nottingham  do it for ?339.00!

I asked J/L if they priced matched and they said that " They have to 
send a team out to the cheaper place to see the item on the shelves 
themselves and so will only price match
items sold in Norwich"!

When did this rubbish start?

Martin
www.martinfryphotography.com

From david.tillyer at googlemail.com  Thu Apr  2 17:48:41 2009
From: david.tillyer at googlemail.com (David Tillyer)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:48:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] bonds
In-Reply-To: <6d706beca9e921f6f878da5bdbdee644@virgin.net>
References: <6d706beca9e921f6f878da5bdbdee644@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <f8880ecc0904020948v6c06559cm8e30fdbee57acbd0@mail.gmail.com>

Never Knowningly Undersold (Locally)

2009/4/2 Martin Fry <martinfry.photo at virgin.net>

> I enquired at John lewis about the Canon G10 camera which is ?372.00.
>
> Simply electronics in Nottingham  do it for ?339.00!
>
> I asked J/L if they priced matched and they said that " They have to
> send a team out to the cheaper place to see the item on the shelves
> themselves and so will only price match
> items sold in Norwich"!
>
> When did this rubbish start?
>
> Martin
> www.martinfryphotography.com
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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http://www.davidthephotographer.co.uk

http://davidthephotographer.blogspot.com/


From david.tillyer at googlemail.com  Thu Apr  2 17:49:15 2009
From: david.tillyer at googlemail.com (David Tillyer)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:49:15 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] bonds
In-Reply-To: <f8880ecc0904020948v6c06559cm8e30fdbee57acbd0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6d706beca9e921f6f878da5bdbdee644@virgin.net>
	<f8880ecc0904020948v6c06559cm8e30fdbee57acbd0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f8880ecc0904020949g46658b9eo191c3a8c0016d0e6@mail.gmail.com>

Just Noticed my blatent mistake before you all pull me up on it.

2009/4/2 David Tillyer <david.tillyer at googlemail.com>

> Never Knowningly Undersold (Locally)
>
> 2009/4/2 Martin Fry <martinfry.photo at virgin.net>
>
> I enquired at John lewis about the Canon G10 camera which is ?372.00.
>>
>> Simply electronics in Nottingham  do it for ?339.00!
>>
>> I asked J/L if they priced matched and they said that " They have to
>> send a team out to the cheaper place to see the item on the shelves
>> themselves and so will only price match
>> items sold in Norwich"!
>>
>> When did this rubbish start?
>>
>> Martin
>> www.martinfryphotography.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
>
>
> --
> David Tillyer Photography
>
> http://www.davidthephotographer.co.uk
>
> http://davidthephotographer.blogspot.com/
>



-- 
David Tillyer Photography

http://www.davidthephotographer.co.uk

http://davidthephotographer.blogspot.com/


From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Thu Apr  2 17:50:31 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:50:31 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] bonds
In-Reply-To: <6d706beca9e921f6f878da5bdbdee644@virgin.net>
References: <6d706beca9e921f6f878da5bdbdee644@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <B7DE99D1-7A3C-485B-ADFB-E1F40108FE9A@zen.co.uk>

AFAIK they have always specified a local area of x miles.kms.

Normally they do a god deal but but in this case I'd be inclined to  
look elsewhere. Tried Warehouse Express? Got mine there at xmas for  
?342.

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 2 Apr 2009, at 17:44, Martin Fry wrote:

> I enquired at John lewis about the Canon G10 camera which is ?372.00.
>
> Simply electronics in Nottingham  do it for ?339.00!
>
> I asked J/L if they priced matched and they said that " They have to
> send a team out to the cheaper place to see the item on the shelves
> themselves and so will only price match
> items sold in Norwich"!
>
> When did this rubbish start?
>
> Martin
> www.martinfryphotography.com
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From macman at f2s.com  Thu Apr  2 18:42:28 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 18:42:28 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] bonds
In-Reply-To: <6d706beca9e921f6f878da5bdbdee644@virgin.net>
References: <6d706beca9e921f6f878da5bdbdee644@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <7DF31342-8680-48F8-8572-52403C3CB192@f2s.com>

A couple of years ago, Staples had a silly price on a Canon fax  
machine, but were out of stock.
Bonds had them on the shelf at about ?40.00 more, so I asked them to  
match.
They phoned Staples there and then and immediately agreed - no visit  
required!

Robbie


On 2 Apr 2009, at 17:44, Martin Fry wrote:

I enquired at John lewis about the Canon G10 camera which is ?372.00.

Simply electronics in Nottingham  do it for ?339.00!

I asked J/L if they priced matched and they said that " They have to
send a team out to the cheaper place to see the item on the shelves
themselves and so will only price match
items sold in Norwich"!

When did this rubbish start?

Martin
www.martinfryphotography.com
_______________________________________________
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From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Thu Apr  2 18:50:18 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 18:50:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] bonds
In-Reply-To: <7DF31342-8680-48F8-8572-52403C3CB192@f2s.com>
References: <6d706beca9e921f6f878da5bdbdee644@virgin.net>
	<7DF31342-8680-48F8-8572-52403C3CB192@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <B376261F-E8FE-4800-9093-0AC91046BEE8@virgin.net>


On Apr 2, 2009, at 18:42, Robbie Murray wrote:

> A couple of years ago, Staples had a silly price on a Canon fax
> machine, but were out of stock.
> Bonds had them on the shelf at about ?40.00 more, so I asked them to
> match.
> They phoned Staples there and then and immediately agreed - no visit
> required!

You were lucky as they have always said that they will price match as  
long as the other place has them in stock. It covered them against the  
bad practice of some retailers who advertised a very cheap item to  
draw people in but didn't have that particular model in stock. They  
then try and get you to buy something else at less of a bargain.

Paul C



From macman at f2s.com  Thu Apr  2 18:58:45 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 18:58:45 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] bonds
In-Reply-To: <B376261F-E8FE-4800-9093-0AC91046BEE8@virgin.net>
References: <6d706beca9e921f6f878da5bdbdee644@virgin.net>
	<7DF31342-8680-48F8-8572-52403C3CB192@f2s.com>
	<B376261F-E8FE-4800-9093-0AC91046BEE8@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <62E6EC3A-DD99-4820-AE83-65C92329D16A@f2s.com>

I certainly was, having fully expected them to come back and refuse!
Maybe they didn't ask ....

R



On 2 Apr 2009, at 18:50, Paul Chapman wrote:


On Apr 2, 2009, at 18:42, Robbie Murray wrote:

> A couple of years ago, Staples had a silly price on a Canon fax
> machine, but were out of stock.
> Bonds had them on the shelf at about ?40.00 more, so I asked them to
> match.
> They phoned Staples there and then and immediately agreed - no visit
> required!

You were lucky as they have always said that they will price match as
long as the other place has them in stock. It covered them against the
bad practice of some retailers who advertised a very cheap item to
draw people in but didn't have that particular model in stock. They
then try and get you to buy something else at less of a bargain.

Paul C

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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Apr  2 22:52:17 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 02 Apr 2009 22:52:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Amplify Volume In MOV
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904022252170.6958@pih-webmail02.plus.net>

Hi

I have an MOV file that has low audio and poor quality. Is there an 
'Audacity' tool for videos (preferably free) that could do this?

Simon

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'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. 
Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)





From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Fri Apr  3 01:04:18 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 01:04:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Maplin
Message-ID: <C5FB1112.27E05%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

I popped into Maplin to get a refund on a usb firewire 3.5 inch enclosure
that didn't work via firewire. I had bought it online along with a iPod
enclosing Car stereo head unit and a battery jumpstart/compressor. The
latter item cost me around or just under ?25. In the store they had them
piled by the door for about ?35 with a sign saying reduced form ?49.50!

This leads me to distrust any prices I see in their shop!


However they refunded me the enclosure without grumble.

Now I seek again a firewire/USB enclosure for a 3.5 inch HD coming out of a
G4 or maybe a cheaper USB2 enclosure and forget firewire (or just sell the
Hd and use the money I would have spent to get part way to a very large
external HD?)

If I can have firewire/usb I quite like the boot clone option - (for
Powerbooks). Has anyone a recomendation that is fanless or whisper quiet?
firewire and OR USB enclosure?

all the best
Brian


From footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Apr  3 11:43:08 2009
From: footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk (joe butler)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 10:43:08 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NMUG] global warming
Message-ID: <928459.30166.qm@web26705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Enjoy yourself wile you can and screw who you leave behind, how enlightened ;-)


Cheap and Free mobile phones
http://www.nimrod.2u.co.uk
?
Iphone and Ipod Insurance 
http://nimrod.2u.co.uk/insurance
?
Get your own FREE mobile phones sales website
http://nimrod.2uaffiliates.com/join/
?
?
?
?

--- On Sun, 5/4/09, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:


From: Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [NMUG] global warming
To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Date: Sunday, 5 April, 2009, 5:21 PM


Stefan

Glad someone said it. All this banging on about how bad computers are is so annoying.

When will people learn there is never any scientific grounding, just bad propaganda that snow balls.

Computers are harmful, wifi is harmful, mobile phones are harmful, TV is bad for your eyes...

Something will kill us all eventually, probably the link up with SkyNet will be the start of it. You might as well enjoy yourself while you can.

Simon

--- visit my Mac site http://www.simonroyal.co.uk or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal' (sent using Nokia E71)

-original message-
Subject: [NMUG] global warming
From: stefan youngs <stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com>
Date: 02/04/2009 14:38


On 2 Apr 2009, at 14:26, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:

> I would have thought that with the screen sleeping and the HD at rest,
> the machine can hardly be the cause of much global warming ....


ah ha! My chance to get my oar in. I'm a physicist working in this? 
area and can assure you, no amount of electricity generation will have? 
more than an immeasurably small effect on global temperature, despite? 
all the propaganda you read on the subject. Do not be suckered into? 
supporting this particular agenda, it is scientifically banal,? 
economically disastrous and utterly wasteful. I have a paper on the? 
matter prepared for the US Senate as part of an effort by 35,000 hard? 
scientists worldwide (physicists, chemists, mathematicians etc.) to? 
puncture the perception that man made global warming 'theory' has? any? 
merit as hard science, interesting thought it certainly is as 'soft? 
science', in particular social engineering supporting a number of? 
agenda. I'll send it to anybody interested to read it.
_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
NMUG at durrant.co.uk
http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Fri Apr  3 12:23:36 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 12:23:36 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] global warming
In-Reply-To: <928459.30166.qm@web26705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <928459.30166.qm@web26705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A6C34A1F-1C7D-4408-ACB6-38E469E69382@durrant.co.uk>

Please, no global warming debates on this list.

Paul
NMUG listmanager


From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Fri Apr  3 13:12:38 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 13:12:38 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Competing on price
Message-ID: <4BCABA5F-C214-41D5-942D-1E9D413F4E1E@gmail.com>

Recent remarks on this remind me of a visit I made to a computer store  
in Sunnyvale California

Me "I'm interested in your USB Thingy. You've got it at $99. Fry's  
have it for $79. Will you match that?"

Store: "No, sorry, we can't do that Why don't you buy it at Fry's?"

Me: "They don't have it in stock'"

Store "Oh! I see. Well, when we don't have it in stock, our price is  
$69"

I thought that was a good answer




From macman at f2s.com  Fri Apr  3 13:26:49 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 13:26:49 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Competing on price
In-Reply-To: <4BCABA5F-C214-41D5-942D-1E9D413F4E1E@gmail.com>
References: <4BCABA5F-C214-41D5-942D-1E9D413F4E1E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4FE9DFC7-798E-4A1E-85F0-895395BBAC9D@f2s.com>

A great answer, which I used a lot when running a wholesale company,  
one of 2 national distributors, and customers would try this all the  
time, although they would add "I'd much rather buy it from you if  
you'll match the price"

Inevitably, our competitor was out of stock .......

:-)


On 3 Apr 2009, at 13:12, stefan youngs wrote:

Recent remarks on this remind me of a visit I made to a computer store
in Sunnyvale California

Me "I'm interested in your USB Thingy. You've got it at $99. Fry's
have it for $79. Will you match that?"

Store: "No, sorry, we can't do that Why don't you buy it at Fry's?"

Me: "They don't have it in stock'"

Store "Oh! I see. Well, when we don't have it in stock, our price is
$69"

I thought that was a good answer


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From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk  Fri Apr  3 16:16:15 2009
From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 16:16:15 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Memory and iMovie 09
In-Reply-To: <A0C2AB62-8A78-4314-9D92-2CC79498CA81@mendelsohn.me.uk>
References: <A0C2AB62-8A78-4314-9D92-2CC79498CA81@mendelsohn.me.uk>
Message-ID: <26FABF53-6F19-40CA-9BAA-2EB9EE56E0CE@mendelsohn.me.uk>

Hi

Why has this email come through ow when I sent it on Sunday?????

As I said before, all fixed now.

Ed


On 29 Mar 2009, at 21:06, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote:

> Hi everyone
>
> As mentioned yesterday my iMovie is really slow, and since we upgraded
> to 8.01 last night it has constantly had the spinning beach ball, has
> been impossible to move clips or do anything in the way of editing
> before the whole thing goes hay wire. Last night whilst struggling to
> use the programme after the upgrade,  the dock disappeared, finder
> disappeared, as did the toolbar. As it was impossible to close down or
> restart computer, we had to switch off at the mains.
>
> I have just opened up activity monitor and even after closing  down
> all other open applications the free memory went down to 15 mb with
> only Movie open.
>
> While I am doing this email it has 400 mb free everything else closed
> except Mail.
>
> A few questions:
> 1. Is the first step to upgrade the memory (it has 1 Gb at the  
> moment).
> 2. Would this be easy to do for novices?
> 3. What memory do we need to purchase for our iMac  - Processor: 2.4
> Ghz Intel Core Duo.  Memory: I Gb 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM?
> 4. Would it be possible to get someone to instal the extra memory if
> it is a complicated job?
> 5. Could there be any other reason for iMovie's behaviour - we have
> done all the necessary housekeeping etc.
>
> Looking forward to hearing from anybody who can help.
>
> Thanks
>
> Ed
>
> PS - Not sure if a copy of this email reached you several hours ago -
> I sent it  but it never appeared in my 'sent' mailbox, or my 'NMUG'
> mailbox!  I tracked it down through search. Don't know what happened..
> Ed
> _______________________________________________
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Apr  3 16:19:13 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri,  3 Apr 2009 16:19:13 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Memory and iMovie 09
Message-ID: <HBgp0FnXgX1d.djQRzmGP@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Ed

RAM is very easy to up the RAM. There is a RAM hatch under the screen, simply undo the two screws take off the panel and you will see two RAM slots.

One will have your current 1GB and there will be a free slot. Simply pop a new stick in.

Your manual will show you how to do it, even the RAM will have instructions on it.

Simon

--- visit my Mac site http://www.simonroyal.co.uk or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal' (sent using Nokia E71)

-original message-
Subject: [NMUG] Memory and iMovie 09
From: Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn <ed at mendelsohn.me.uk>
Date: 03/04/2009 16:10

Hi everyone

As mentioned yesterday my iMovie is really slow, and since we upgraded  
to 8.01 last night it has constantly had the spinning beach ball, has  
been impossible to move clips or do anything in the way of editing  
before the whole thing goes hay wire. Last night whilst struggling to  
use the programme after the upgrade,  the dock disappeared, finder  
disappeared, as did the toolbar. As it was impossible to close down or  
restart computer, we had to switch off at the mains.

I have just opened up activity monitor and even after closing  down  
all other open applications the free memory went down to 15 mb with  
only Movie open.

While I am doing this email it has 400 mb free everything else closed  
except Mail.

A few questions:
1. Is the first step to upgrade the memory (it has 1 Gb at the moment).
2. Would this be easy to do for novices?
3. What memory do we need to purchase for our iMac  - Processor: 2.4  
Ghz Intel Core Duo.  Memory: I Gb 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM?
4. Would it be possible to get someone to instal the extra memory if  
it is a complicated job?
5. Could there be any other reason for iMovie's behaviour - we have  
done all the necessary housekeeping etc.

Looking forward to hearing from anybody who can help.

Thanks

Ed

PS - Not sure if a copy of this email reached you several hours ago -  
I sent it  but it never appeared in my 'sent' mailbox, or my 'NMUG'  
mailbox!  I tracked it down through search. Don't know what happened..  
Ed
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Apr  3 16:24:56 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri,  3 Apr 2009 16:24:56 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Memory and iMovie 09
Message-ID: <Ycfx2YqD3ypP.11xCQP6f@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Ed

Dunno. Just got it in my inbox though.

Simon

--- visit my Mac site http://www.simonroyal.co.uk or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal' (sent using Nokia E71)

-original message-
Subject: Re: [NMUG] Memory and iMovie 09
From: Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn <ed at mendelsohn.me.uk>
Date: 03/04/2009 16:16

Hi

Why has this email come through ow when I sent it on Sunday?????

As I said before, all fixed now.

Ed


On 29 Mar 2009, at 21:06, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote:

> Hi everyone
>
> As mentioned yesterday my iMovie is really slow, and since we upgraded
> to 8.01 last night it has constantly had the spinning beach ball, has
> been impossible to move clips or do anything in the way of editing
> before the whole thing goes hay wire. Last night whilst struggling to
> use the programme after the upgrade,  the dock disappeared, finder
> disappeared, as did the toolbar. As it was impossible to close down or
> restart computer, we had to switch off at the mains.
>
> I have just opened up activity monitor and even after closing  down
> all other open applications the free memory went down to 15 mb with
> only Movie open.
>
> While I am doing this email it has 400 mb free everything else closed
> except Mail.
>
> A few questions:
> 1. Is the first step to upgrade the memory (it has 1 Gb at the  
> moment).
> 2. Would this be easy to do for novices?
> 3. What memory do we need to purchase for our iMac  - Processor: 2.4
> Ghz Intel Core Duo.  Memory: I Gb 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM?
> 4. Would it be possible to get someone to instal the extra memory if
> it is a complicated job?
> 5. Could there be any other reason for iMovie's behaviour - we have
> done all the necessary housekeeping etc.
>
> Looking forward to hearing from anybody who can help.
>
> Thanks
>
> Ed
>
> PS - Not sure if a copy of this email reached you several hours ago -
> I sent it  but it never appeared in my 'sent' mailbox, or my 'NMUG'
> mailbox!  I tracked it down through search. Don't know what happened..
> Ed
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

_______________________________________________
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http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From paul at durrant.co.uk  Fri Apr  3 18:27:32 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 18:27:32 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Memory and iMovie 09
In-Reply-To: <26FABF53-6F19-40CA-9BAA-2EB9EE56E0CE@mendelsohn.me.uk>
References: <A0C2AB62-8A78-4314-9D92-2CC79498CA81@mendelsohn.me.uk>
	<26FABF53-6F19-40CA-9BAA-2EB9EE56E0CE@mendelsohn.me.uk>
Message-ID: <B3E841D8-A5DE-4EC7-8B46-8C45C5E9E5FD@durrant.co.uk>

Ok, looking at the long headers, I can see what happened.

I upgraded my mail server to Mac OS X 10.5 Server from 10.4 Server on  
Sunday. It didn't go as smoothly as I'd hoped. While my mail server is  
down, mail sent to it might get sent to my ISP's back-up mail servers  
instead. They then got forwarded on to my mail server when my mail  
server is back up.

For some reason, instead of getting forwarded on to me shortly after  
my servers came back up late on Sunday night, it didn't get there  
until earlier today.

This is how it used to be - email was unreliable and sometimes slow,  
as it got passed from server to server, getting nearer its  
destination. We're all spoiled now, with high up-times and quick  
connections, meaning email arrives in seconds, not minutes or hours.  
Just occasionally, something like this will happen to remind us of the  
"good old days". :-)

Paul

On 3 Apr 2009, at 16:16, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote:

> Why has this email come through ow when I sent it on Sunday?????
>
> As I said before, all fixed now.
>
>
> On 29 Mar 2009, at 21:06, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> As mentioned yesterday my iMovie is really slow, and since we  
>> upgraded
>> to 8.01 last night it has constantly had the spinning beach ball, has
>> been impossible to move clips or do anything in the way of editing
>> before the whole thing goes hay wire. Last night whilst struggling to
>> use the programme after the upgrade,  the dock disappeared, finder
>> disappeared, as did the toolbar. As it was impossible to close down  
>> or
>> restart computer, we had to switch off at the mains.
>> [snip]


From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com  Fri Apr  3 18:39:44 2009
From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (Gmail)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 18:39:44 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New Apple Store
Message-ID: <EE5A649B-CB81-4240-9EFC-11684CC798D8@googlemail.com>

Hi all new Apple Store coming to Chapelfield Norwich soon.

This is great news for us Mac users. Let us know what you think?

Simon Bainbridge


From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Fri Apr  3 18:38:47 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 18:38:47 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] global warming
In-Reply-To: <A6C34A1F-1C7D-4408-ACB6-38E469E69382@durrant.co.uk>
References: <928459.30166.qm@web26705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<A6C34A1F-1C7D-4408-ACB6-38E469E69382@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6550EDB8-8C11-4447-BD35-594169E7A4B5@zen.co.uk>

Two things come to mind, both musical

Burn, Baby, Burn think it was the Strawbs, and

Fire! dear old crazy Arthur Brown!

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 3 Apr 2009, at 12:23, Paul Durrant wrote:

> Please, no global warming debates on this list.
>
> Paul
> NMUG listmanager
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From macman at f2s.com  Fri Apr  3 18:47:33 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 18:47:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] global warming
In-Reply-To: <6550EDB8-8C11-4447-BD35-594169E7A4B5@zen.co.uk>
References: <928459.30166.qm@web26705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<A6C34A1F-1C7D-4408-ACB6-38E469E69382@durrant.co.uk>
	<6550EDB8-8C11-4447-BD35-594169E7A4B5@zen.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BF693CC1-A55F-47E8-97B4-083FF51B9D48@f2s.com>

You mean a good old fashioned flame war?

Robbie

On 3 Apr 2009, at 18:38, Steven Jefferson wrote:

Two things come to mind, both musical

Burn, Baby, Burn think it was the Strawbs, and

Fire! dear old crazy Arthur Brown!

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 3 Apr 2009, at 12:23, Paul Durrant wrote:

> Please, no global warming debates on this list.
>
> Paul
> NMUG listmanager
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
NMUG at durrant.co.uk
http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From fowler.j at me.com  Fri Apr  3 19:10:04 2009
From: fowler.j at me.com (Jon Fowler)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 19:10:04 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New Apple Store
In-Reply-To: <EE5A649B-CB81-4240-9EFC-11684CC798D8@googlemail.com>
References: <EE5A649B-CB81-4240-9EFC-11684CC798D8@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <32F03CD6-A44F-43A2-A344-F79C7BFC6F05@me.com>

I have an interview for the general manager position so I think it's  
fantastic!
Looks like the work I've been doing in my 'pokey little section of PC  
World' has paid off!

Jon
Apple Solutions Consultant

Sent from my iPhone

On 3 Apr 2009, at 18:39, Gmail <2003r2tech at googlemail.com> wrote:

> Hi all new Apple Store coming to Chapelfield Norwich soon.
>
> This is great news for us Mac users. Let us know what you think?
>
> Simon Bainbridge
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


From robharrington at mac.com  Fri Apr  3 19:31:03 2009
From: robharrington at mac.com (ROB HARRINGTON)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 19:31:03 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] old messages on the mail server
Message-ID: <4B1E0402-CF2C-45BC-8E0F-206CA4E2C18D@mac.com>

Goundhog Day : has it finished?

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob


From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Fri Apr  3 19:54:43 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 19:54:43 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] global warming
In-Reply-To: <BF693CC1-A55F-47E8-97B4-083FF51B9D48@f2s.com>
References: <928459.30166.qm@web26705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<A6C34A1F-1C7D-4408-ACB6-38E469E69382@durrant.co.uk>
	<6550EDB8-8C11-4447-BD35-594169E7A4B5@zen.co.uk>
	<BF693CC1-A55F-47E8-97B4-083FF51B9D48@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <B44A7034-4F74-4C68-9E6A-F14CD3D68F1B@zen.co.uk>

Burning Love?

Light my Fire?

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 3 Apr 2009, at 18:47, Robbie Murray wrote:

> You mean a good old fashioned flame war?
>
> Robbie
>
> On 3 Apr 2009, at 18:38, Steven Jefferson wrote:
>
> Two things come to mind, both musical
>
> Burn, Baby, Burn think it was the Strawbs, and
>
> Fire! dear old crazy Arthur Brown!
>
> Steven Jefferson
> steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk
>
>
>
> On 3 Apr 2009, at 12:23, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
>> Please, no global warming debates on this list.
>>
>> Paul
>> NMUG listmanager
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Fri Apr  3 19:57:37 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 19:57:37 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New Apple Store
In-Reply-To: <32F03CD6-A44F-43A2-A344-F79C7BFC6F05@me.com>
References: <EE5A649B-CB81-4240-9EFC-11684CC798D8@googlemail.com>
	<32F03CD6-A44F-43A2-A344-F79C7BFC6F05@me.com>
Message-ID: <FA5A83A1-9A0C-459A-9833-FF67C823CE4F@zen.co.uk>

Congratulations

Mind you, people management is going to be an issue. If the day I've  
had with a competent 30 year old going on 16 juvenile idiot is  
anything to go by I hope that if you get the job the selectors for the  
other positions make the right choices!

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 3 Apr 2009, at 19:10, Jon Fowler wrote:

> I have an interview for the general manager position so I think it's
> fantastic!
> Looks like the work I've been doing in my 'pokey little section of PC
> World' has paid off!
>
> Jon
> Apple Solutions Consultant
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 3 Apr 2009, at 18:39, Gmail <2003r2tech at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all new Apple Store coming to Chapelfield Norwich soon.
>>
>> This is great news for us Mac users. Let us know what you think?
>>
>> Simon Bainbridge
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From fowler.j at me.com  Fri Apr  3 20:32:14 2009
From: fowler.j at me.com (Jon Fowler)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 20:32:14 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New Apple Store
In-Reply-To: <FA5A83A1-9A0C-459A-9833-FF67C823CE4F@zen.co.uk>
References: <EE5A649B-CB81-4240-9EFC-11684CC798D8@googlemail.com>
	<32F03CD6-A44F-43A2-A344-F79C7BFC6F05@me.com>
	<FA5A83A1-9A0C-459A-9833-FF67C823CE4F@zen.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CB807E54-C426-4C85-9B32-3EA8F750095C@me.com>

It may be slightly early for congratulations, I've only got an  
interview this far!
However I hope that the support I have had from the majority of  
NMUGers will continue either way. For the minority that have been very  
petty I have one thing to say - water off a ducks back!

Many thanks
Jon
Apple Solutions Consultant

Sent from my iPhone

On 3 Apr 2009, at 19:57, Steven Jefferson <steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk>  
wrote:

> Congratulations
>
> Mind you, people management is going to be an issue. If the day I've
> had with a competent 30 year old going on 16 juvenile idiot is
> anything to go by I hope that if you get the job the selectors for the
> other positions make the right choices!
>
> Steven Jefferson
> steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk
>
>
>
> On 3 Apr 2009, at 19:10, Jon Fowler wrote:
>
>> I have an interview for the general manager position so I think it's
>> fantastic!
>> Looks like the work I've been doing in my 'pokey little section of PC
>> World' has paid off!
>>
>> Jon
>> Apple Solutions Consultant
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 3 Apr 2009, at 18:39, Gmail <2003r2tech at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all new Apple Store coming to Chapelfield Norwich soon.
>>>
>>> This is great news for us Mac users. Let us know what you think?
>>>
>>> Simon Bainbridge
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Fri Apr  3 21:14:24 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 21:14:24 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New Apple Store
In-Reply-To: <EE5A649B-CB81-4240-9EFC-11684CC798D8@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <C5FC2CB0.27EA1%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

There are some lovely things about Apple Stores.
A place where you can try out some stuff - ask about Apple related stuff -
and the children can try out stuff on cushion level Macs. Where the staff
are not ignorant and coercive salespeople - nor usually blanking of
customers who don't look like 'the consumer' - (wot me?).
But in the ecosystem of the Mac they are also very narrow in their stock and
often priced at the higher end.

I am glad that if I need to take any of my Macs into be looked at - I will
not have to travel so far - and look forward to having a browse.

The atmospheric of a business is vital to my appreciation of it.
Meeting in a mutual sense of value is where the marketplace comes into its
own.
I chose a Mac as a creative and for a user experience that made the machine
fit to the human rather than the other way around. I call this the Mac
ethos. It is this ethic that I appreciate. I hope Apple don't allow this to
deteriorate by neglect or point of sales directed decisions - though I
appreciate that there are balances to be struck and trade offs to be made.

regards
Brian


Gmail said recently:

> Hi all new Apple Store coming to Chapelfield Norwich soon.
> 
> This is great news for us Mac users. Let us know what you think?
> 
> Simon Bainbridge
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com  Fri Apr  3 21:37:29 2009
From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (Simon Bainbridge)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 21:37:29 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New Apple Store
In-Reply-To: <CB807E54-C426-4C85-9B32-3EA8F750095C@me.com>
References: <EE5A649B-CB81-4240-9EFC-11684CC798D8@googlemail.com>
	<32F03CD6-A44F-43A2-A344-F79C7BFC6F05@me.com>
	<FA5A83A1-9A0C-459A-9833-FF67C823CE4F@zen.co.uk>
	<CB807E54-C426-4C85-9B32-3EA8F750095C@me.com>
Message-ID: <01A3D1B2-1292-481D-B11E-ACB6C99857AC@googlemail.com>

Jon

Good luck with your interview for the General Managers position!

I am waiting myself to see if I get an interview for an Apple Genius  
post.

Regards

Simon
ICT Field Support Technician

On 3 Apr 2009, at 20:32, Jon Fowler wrote:

> It may be slightly early for congratulations, I've only got an
> interview this far!
> However I hope that the support I have had from the majority of
> NMUGers will continue either way. For the minority that have been very
> petty I have one thing to say - water off a ducks back!
>
> Many thanks
> Jon
> Apple Solutions Consultant
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 3 Apr 2009, at 19:57, Steven Jefferson <steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Congratulations
>>
>> Mind you, people management is going to be an issue. If the day I've
>> had with a competent 30 year old going on 16 juvenile idiot is
>> anything to go by I hope that if you get the job the selectors for  
>> the
>> other positions make the right choices!
>>
>> Steven Jefferson
>> steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3 Apr 2009, at 19:10, Jon Fowler wrote:
>>
>>> I have an interview for the general manager position so I think it's
>>> fantastic!
>>> Looks like the work I've been doing in my 'pokey little section of  
>>> PC
>>> World' has paid off!
>>>
>>> Jon
>>> Apple Solutions Consultant
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 3 Apr 2009, at 18:39, Gmail <2003r2tech at googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all new Apple Store coming to Chapelfield Norwich soon.
>>>>
>>>> This is great news for us Mac users. Let us know what you think?
>>>>
>>>> Simon Bainbridge
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk  Sat Apr  4 08:50:51 2009
From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 08:50:51 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] global warming
In-Reply-To: <6550EDB8-8C11-4447-BD35-594169E7A4B5@zen.co.uk>
References: <928459.30166.qm@web26705.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<A6C34A1F-1C7D-4408-ACB6-38E469E69382@durrant.co.uk>
	<6550EDB8-8C11-4447-BD35-594169E7A4B5@zen.co.uk>
Message-ID: <86BABF51-043B-476F-BD31-2F3DE0D31565@freeflightsupplies.co.uk>

I think that you mean

The Strawbs track "Burning for Me" off the "Burning for you" 1977 Album.

Burn Baby Burn was Hudson Ford?

Both the above are still going and still gigging!

Michael Woodhouse
mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk
http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/




On 3 Apr 2009, at 18:38, Steven Jefferson wrote:

> Two things come to mind, both musical
>
> Burn, Baby, Burn think it was the Strawbs, and
>
> Fire! dear old crazy Arthur Brown!
>
> Steven Jefferson
> steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk
>
>
>
> On 3 Apr 2009, at 12:23, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
>> Please, no global warming debates on this list.
>>
>> Paul
>> NMUG listmanager
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From robharrington at mac.com  Sat Apr  4 09:47:35 2009
From: robharrington at mac.com (ROB HARRINGTON)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 09:47:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mobile Me problem
Message-ID: <3819E950-015F-4840-A76B-E0EB52F30F8A@mac.com>

Yesterday I received an e-mail from MobileMe informing me that 'an  
automatic annual subscription renewal failed ( because my credit card  
details have changed ) please update your credit card information'.
I attempt to log in and then proceed to put in the new card number.
After the window 'Loading Mail, please wait whilst we load your  
information' I get a window stating unable to connect to MobileMe,  
check connections ( nothing about invalid input from me ).
I try this a number of times and ,partly from not having connected to  
MobileMe since last November and partly not being able to think of  
anything else, I decide to change my password.
I do that but it then doesn't recognise the new password.
On booting up I now get a window 'WebDav File System Authentication   
for access to idisk.mac.com which only recognises my old password.

Some confusion here.
G5 Imac 10.4.11, Safari 3.0.4 .

More and more I want the quiet life- I am allowed it?
I used to use Outlook Express and only expanded when I worked abroad   
and took my imac with me and joined mac mail.
I am a typically lazy computer user and I don't really exploit  
my .mac account with idsk etc.
I like my e-mail address and that's about it.
What can I do to renew my account ( there are 15 day's grace from  
today )
Should I bother and, if not, where is it nice and quiet ? - apart  
from the obvious and inevitable place.

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob



From alanbarber at mac.com  Sat Apr  4 10:05:30 2009
From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 10:05:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mobile Me problem
In-Reply-To: <3819E950-015F-4840-A76B-E0EB52F30F8A@mac.com>
References: <3819E950-015F-4840-A76B-E0EB52F30F8A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CC982EA1-E522-4D9E-B8EC-371480B0E3C1@mac.com>

I wonder if there was a problem with mail in mobileme as I had a  
problem logging in yesterday.
Everything working fine today.

Regards

Alan
		

On 4 Apr 2009, at 09:47, ROB HARRINGTON wrote:

> Yesterday I received an e-mail from MobileMe informing me that 'an
> automatic annual subscription renewal failed ( because my credit card
> details have changed ) please update your credit card information'.
> I attempt to log in and then proceed to put in the new card number.
> After the window 'Loading Mail, please wait whilst we load your
> information' I get a window stating unable to connect to MobileMe,
> check connections ( nothing about invalid input from me ).
> I try this a number of times and ,partly from not having connected to
> MobileMe since last November and partly not being able to think of
> anything else, I decide to change my password.
> I do that but it then doesn't recognise the new password.
> On booting up I now get a window 'WebDav File System Authentication
> for access to idisk.mac.com which only recognises my old password.
>
> Some confusion here.
> G5 Imac 10.4.11, Safari 3.0.4 .
>
> More and more I want the quiet life- I am allowed it?
> I used to use Outlook Express and only expanded when I worked abroad
> and took my imac with me and joined mac mail.
> I am a typically lazy computer user and I don't really exploit
> my .mac account with idsk etc.
> I like my e-mail address and that's about it.
> What can I do to renew my account ( there are 15 day's grace from
> today )
> Should I bother and, if not, where is it nice and quiet ? - apart
> from the obvious and inevitable place.
>
> RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob
>
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From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net  Sat Apr  4 10:10:16 2009
From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 10:10:16 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 12
In-Reply-To: <mailman.54.1238835935.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.54.1238835935.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <A631F906-E7CC-40F5-91BC-BAA4F974C6F5@virgin.net>


On 4 Apr 2009, at 10:05, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:

> 1. Re: New Apple Store (Jon Fowler)

Sounds good but will they offer a 2 year guarantee to match John Lewis?

Ken Arnoldi



From macman at f2s.com  Sat Apr  4 10:10:22 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 10:10:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mobile Me problem
In-Reply-To: <3819E950-015F-4840-A76B-E0EB52F30F8A@mac.com>
References: <3819E950-015F-4840-A76B-E0EB52F30F8A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <860899D4-B742-4339-9282-E55E82C223BF@f2s.com>

I don't know what you mean about 'the obvious place', but I've found  
googlemail to be effective, fast, spam free and, apart from one  
outage, trouble free.
I have several accounts now, some I use directly as webmail, others  
forward to my pop accounts.

I was starting to get a lot of spam on my primary ISP account, so set  
it to forward straight to a google account, which cleans out the  
rubbish, then forwards to an alternative pop account, keeping a copy  
on the google server - works a treat!

I also use Mailplane to manage the google accounts, which is very  
handy for account switching.

Robbie


On 4 Apr 2009, at 09:47, ROB HARRINGTON wrote:

Yesterday I received an e-mail from MobileMe informing me that 'an
automatic annual subscription renewal failed ( because my credit card
details have changed ) please update your credit card information'.
I attempt to log in and then proceed to put in the new card number.
After the window 'Loading Mail, please wait whilst we load your
information' I get a window stating unable to connect to MobileMe,
check connections ( nothing about invalid input from me ).
I try this a number of times and ,partly from not having connected to
MobileMe since last November and partly not being able to think of
anything else, I decide to change my password.
I do that but it then doesn't recognise the new password.
On booting up I now get a window 'WebDav File System Authentication
for access to idisk.mac.com which only recognises my old password.

Some confusion here.
G5 Imac 10.4.11, Safari 3.0.4 .

More and more I want the quiet life- I am allowed it?
I used to use Outlook Express and only expanded when I worked abroad
and took my imac with me and joined mac mail.
I am a typically lazy computer user and I don't really exploit
my .mac account with idsk etc.
I like my e-mail address and that's about it.
What can I do to renew my account ( there are 15 day's grace from
today )
Should I bother and, if not, where is it nice and quiet ? - apart
from the obvious and inevitable place.

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob

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From valeriehardman at btinternet.com  Sat Apr  4 10:17:14 2009
From: valeriehardman at btinternet.com (VALERIE HARDMAN)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 09:17:14 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 12
In-Reply-To: <mailman.54.1238835935.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <760563.44472.qm@web86511.mail.ird.yahoo.com>


Hi John
Great that you've got an interview and hope you get the job.
We're just about to buy a Macbook from John Lewis, mainly for the two year guarantee, so the new Apple shop will be just a tad late for us but even so will enjoy looking around and no doubt be tempted by something,
best wishes
Valerie 



> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 19:10:04 +0100
> From: Jon Fowler <fowler.j at me.com>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] New Apple Store
> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Cc: Norwich Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Message-ID:
> <32F03CD6-A44F-43A2-A344-F79C7BFC6F05 at me.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed;
> delsp=yes
> 
> I have an interview for the general manager position so I
> think it's  
> fantastic!
> Looks like the work I've been doing in my 'pokey
> little section of PC  
> World' has paid off!
> 
> Jon
> Apple Solutions Consultant
> 

> 



From fowler.j at mac.com  Sat Apr  4 10:17:49 2009
From: fowler.j at mac.com (Jonathan Fowler)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 10:17:49 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 12
In-Reply-To: <A631F906-E7CC-40F5-91BC-BAA4F974C6F5@virgin.net>
References: <mailman.54.1238835935.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<A631F906-E7CC-40F5-91BC-BAA4F974C6F5@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <615EA5D5-B879-4B8D-8D2C-0D9D15421ADF@mac.com>

No

Apple give a standard 12 months, which offers you the use of AppleCare  
helplines for 90 days, and then apple repairers for any hardware  
issues. John Lewis give their own guarantee, which does not offer this.
The choice is yours

Jon
On 4 Apr 2009, at 10:10, Ken Arnoldi wrote:

>
> On 4 Apr 2009, at 10:05, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:
>
>> 1. Re: New Apple Store (Jon Fowler)
>
> Sounds good but will they offer a 2 year guarantee to match John  
> Lewis?
>
> Ken Arnoldi
>
> _______________________________________________
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> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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From fowler.j at mac.com  Sat Apr  4 10:18:56 2009
From: fowler.j at mac.com (Jonathan Fowler)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 10:18:56 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 12
In-Reply-To: <760563.44472.qm@web86511.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
References: <760563.44472.qm@web86511.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6F0F46BB-83FD-4022-915F-1427DCE457B5@mac.com>

Remember that you do not get a proper apple guarantee from John Lewis.  
If you come and see me today I can explain this to you and offer you a  
slightly better price. Keep it between you and me though!

Jon
On 4 Apr 2009, at 10:17, VALERIE HARDMAN wrote:

>
> Hi John
> Great that you've got an interview and hope you get the job.
> We're just about to buy a Macbook from John Lewis, mainly for the  
> two year guarantee, so the new Apple shop will be just a tad late  
> for us but even so will enjoy looking around and no doubt be tempted  
> by something,
> best wishes
> Valerie
>
>
>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 19:10:04 +0100
>> From: Jon Fowler <fowler.j at me.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] New Apple Store
>> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>> Cc: Norwich Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>> Message-ID:
>> <32F03CD6-A44F-43A2-A344-F79C7BFC6F05 at me.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed;
>> delsp=yes
>>
>> I have an interview for the general manager position so I
>> think it's
>> fantastic!
>> Looks like the work I've been doing in my 'pokey
>> little section of PC
>> World' has paid off!
>>
>> Jon
>> Apple Solutions Consultant
>>
>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From robharrington at mac.com  Sat Apr  4 11:36:18 2009
From: robharrington at mac.com (ROB HARRINGTON)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 11:36:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] MobileMe problem
Message-ID: <87753A7A-AD68-47FF-B017-A7C81FF5356E@mac.com>

Still at it - I have now successfully changed, by a different route,  
my MobileMe password  (so that I could log in and change my credit  
card details) but after the 'loading info' window I still get 'Unable  
to connect'  window.

 From earlier prompts I had been to System Preferences>.Mac  
( MobileMe )> Account to alter the password there (but that is not  
how I finally did it).
I note that  the password window contains far more character dots  
than any password I have entered and if I now alter it to my new  
password it returns to the same 11 characters..............

So I am still no nearer renewing my Mobile Me account.

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sat Apr  4 11:41:22 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:41:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] MobileMe problem
In-Reply-To: <87753A7A-AD68-47FF-B017-A7C81FF5356E@mac.com>
References: <87753A7A-AD68-47FF-B017-A7C81FF5356E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5AD395DF-F095-49A0-9550-D5DFE906646B@durrant.co.uk>

Some password fields, when 'displaying' an old password with dots,  
will always show the same number of dots, unreleated to the length of  
the actual password, as otherwise it gives away the length of the  
password.

I don't have any ideas otherwise - except to suggest that it's cheaper  
to buy a renewal on eBay than to auto-renew.

Paul

On 4 Apr 2009, at 11:36, ROB HARRINGTON wrote:

> Still at it - I have now successfully changed, by a different route,
> my MobileMe password  (so that I could log in and change my credit
> card details) but after the 'loading info' window I still get 'Unable
> to connect'  window.
>
> From earlier prompts I had been to System Preferences>.Mac
> ( MobileMe )> Account to alter the password there (but that is not
> how I finally did it).
> I note that  the password window contains far more character dots
> than any password I have entered and if I now alter it to my new
> password it returns to the same 11 characters..............
>
> So I am still no nearer renewing my Mobile Me account.



From robharrington at mac.com  Sat Apr  4 11:53:08 2009
From: robharrington at mac.com (ROB HARRINGTON)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 11:53:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] MobileMe problem
In-Reply-To: <5AD395DF-F095-49A0-9550-D5DFE906646B@durrant.co.uk>
References: <87753A7A-AD68-47FF-B017-A7C81FF5356E@mac.com>
	<5AD395DF-F095-49A0-9550-D5DFE906646B@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8E4A4CAE-76CC-4DFE-84DF-10DBB48B4208@mac.com>

Thank you for that Paul, it seems very sensible when you mention it;  
can you tell me anything more about buying a renewal on eBay?
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob

On 4 Apr 2009, at 11:41, Paul Durrant wrote:

> Some password fields, when 'displaying' an old password with dots,
> will always show the same number of dots, unreleated to the length of
> the actual password, as otherwise it gives away the length of the
> password.
>
> I don't have any ideas otherwise - except to suggest that it's cheaper
> to buy a renewal on eBay than to auto-renew.
>
> Paul
>
> On 4 Apr 2009, at 11:36, ROB HARRINGTON wrote:
>
>> I note that  the password window contains far more character dots
>> than any password I have entered and if I now alter it to my new
>> password it returns to the same 11 characters..............
>>
>> So I am still no nearer renewing my Mobile Me account.
>
>


From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Sat Apr  4 13:43:52 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 13:43:52 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 12
In-Reply-To: <760563.44472.qm@web86511.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C5FD1498.27F27%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

Consider that if you buy from Apple and get the extended Applecare from eBay
(about ?85)(Direct via Apple is ?195) - you trump JL - in my opinion. You
can also get hardware and software config options at Apple online that you
cant necessarily get elsewhere.

I don't know what is behind the eBay Applecare agreements but they are from
folk who have 99% positive and thousands of sales. So I don't feel they are
illegal and I cant imagine that: 1 it would work - which it does! and 2 -
that Apple would allow it to continue.

It may be that newbies might benefit from hand holding with JL - who
genefrally have a good support reputation - I don't know if it is more or
less helpful than Apple phone support - I haven't used the latter for years
as I almost always sorted things myself and didn't  - mostly - find it that
helpful. But I am fairly savvy and not everyone is.

Jon pointed out to me that if I bought from JL - then I cant add extended
Applecare - but only the extra package from JL - 180 quid for an extra year.

hope this helps

regards
Brian



VALERIE HARDMAN said recently:

> 
> Hi John
> Great that you've got an interview and hope you get the job.
> We're just about to buy a Macbook from John Lewis, mainly for the two year
> guarantee, so the new Apple shop will be just a tad late for us but even so
> will enjoy looking around and no doubt be tempted by something,
> best wishes
> Valerie 
> 
> 
> 
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 19:10:04 +0100
>> From: Jon Fowler <fowler.j at me.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] New Apple Store
>> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>> Cc: Norwich Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>> Message-ID:
>> <32F03CD6-A44F-43A2-A344-F79C7BFC6F05 at me.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed;
>> delsp=yes
>> 
>> I have an interview for the general manager position so I
>> think it's  
>> fantastic!
>> Looks like the work I've been doing in my 'pokey
>> little section of PC
>> World' has paid off!
>> 
>> Jon
>> Apple Solutions Consultant
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sat Apr  4 14:01:34 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 14:01:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] MobileMe problem
In-Reply-To: <8E4A4CAE-76CC-4DFE-84DF-10DBB48B4208@mac.com>
References: <87753A7A-AD68-47FF-B017-A7C81FF5356E@mac.com>
	<5AD395DF-F095-49A0-9550-D5DFE906646B@durrant.co.uk>
	<8E4A4CAE-76CC-4DFE-84DF-10DBB48B4208@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E9C4D43F-98B5-465D-AA8B-0B651D6483E9@durrant.co.uk>

You can only buy the basic renewal - if you've got any extras (more  
storage, etc) you'll need to pay separately for those.

Otherwise, exercise due eBay caution, and you should be fine. Make  
sure you get a MobileMe for Mac, not for iPhone/iPod.

Hmm.. having taken a quick look, these guys sound good.

http://www.panoplypromotions.co.uk/Panoply/Welcome.html

Saves ?11.50. Not a fortune, but probably worth the effort.

Paul

On 4 Apr 2009, at 11:53, ROB HARRINGTON wrote:

> Thank you for that Paul, it seems very sensible when you mention it;
> can you tell me anything more about buying a renewal on eBay?
> RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob
>
> On 4 Apr 2009, at 11:41, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
>> Some password fields, when 'displaying' an old password with dots,
>> will always show the same number of dots, unreleated to the length of
>> the actual password, as otherwise it gives away the length of the
>> password.
>>
>> I don't have any ideas otherwise - except to suggest that it's  
>> cheaper
>> to buy a renewal on eBay than to auto-renew.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On 4 Apr 2009, at 11:36, ROB HARRINGTON wrote:
>>
>>> I note that  the password window contains far more character dots
>>> than any password I have entered and if I now alter it to my new
>>> password it returns to the same 11 characters..............
>>>
>>> So I am still no nearer renewing my Mobile Me account.
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



From fowler.j at me.com  Sat Apr  4 14:37:37 2009
From: fowler.j at me.com (Jon Fowler)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 14:37:37 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 12
In-Reply-To: <C5FD1498.27F27%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
References: <C5FD1498.27F27%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
Message-ID: <BEC3B8B3-F552-4FF8-9997-A0532D6F787F@me.com>

I am unaware of the AppleCare arrangement with eBay so can't really  
comment.
All I can say is there was a series of software thefts from PC World  
and currys which included applecare and semi-pro apps!

Shan't say anymore for fear of being reprimanded LOL.

Jon

Sent from my iPhone

On 4 Apr 2009, at 13:43, Brian Steere <brian at clearlight.uk.net> wrote:

> Consider that if you buy from Apple and get the extended Applecare  
> from eBay
> (about ?85)(Direct via Apple is ?195) - you trump JL - in my opinion 
> . You
> can also get hardware and software config options at Apple online  
> that you
> cant necessarily get elsewhere.
>
> I don't know what is behind the eBay Applecare agreements but they  
> are from
> folk who have 99% positive and thousands of sales. So I don't feel  
> they are
> illegal and I cant imagine that: 1 it would work - which it does!  
> and 2 -
> that Apple would allow it to continue.
>
> It may be that newbies might benefit from hand holding with JL - who
> genefrally have a good support reputation - I don't know if it is  
> more or
> less helpful than Apple phone support - I haven't used the latter  
> for years
> as I almost always sorted things myself and didn't  - mostly - find  
> it that
> helpful. But I am fairly savvy and not everyone is.
>
> Jon pointed out to me that if I bought from JL - then I cant add  
> extended
> Applecare - but only the extra package from JL - 180 quid for an  
> extra year.
>
> hope this helps
>
> regards
> Brian
>
>
>
> VALERIE HARDMAN said recently:
>
>>
>> Hi John
>> Great that you've got an interview and hope you get the job.
>> We're just about to buy a Macbook from John Lewis, mainly for the  
>> two year
>> guarantee, so the new Apple shop will be just a tad late for us but  
>> even so
>> will enjoy looking around and no doubt be tempted by something,
>> best wishes
>> Valerie
>>
>>
>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 19:10:04 +0100
>>> From: Jon Fowler <fowler.j at me.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] New Apple Store
>>> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>>> Cc: Norwich Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <32F03CD6-A44F-43A2-A344-F79C7BFC6F05 at me.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed;
>>> delsp=yes
>>>
>>> I have an interview for the general manager position so I
>>> think it's
>>> fantastic!
>>> Looks like the work I've been doing in my 'pokey
>>> little section of PC
>>> World' has paid off!
>>>
>>> Jon
>>> Apple Solutions Consultant
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
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> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


From bazyoungs at mac.com  Sat Apr  4 15:17:54 2009
From: bazyoungs at mac.com (Barry Youngs)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 15:17:54 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] internet sluggish
Message-ID: <36D8B0F3-FF16-469F-8981-720C9D3ADF6D@mac.com>

Hi people
Last week several of you on the list were saying that their internet  
connection was slow, I checked mine at the time and it was showing  
1.8mbps so for me that was a good connection (Spixworth and just on  
the limit for the exchange so I don't expect anything faster) Now in  
the past couple of days, my speed has been around 240kbps and I was  
just curious if anybody else were having issues with their speed.
I may try and do the old shutdown and re-boot the router if nobody  
else has had problems.
Cheers
Baz


I love animals, they taste great.





From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat Apr  4 16:02:40 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sat,  4 Apr 2009 16:02:40 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] internet sluggish
Message-ID: <dfFgvT26D5S3.V0bgSt7B@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

Well out here in Watton. I have had no broadband all afternoon. Tiscali says there is a problem in the area and an engineer is working on it.

Glad I have my E71, excellent for times like this.

Simon

--- visit my Mac site http://www.simonroyal.co.uk or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal' (sent using Nokia E71)

-original message-
Subject: [NMUG] internet sluggish
From: Barry Youngs <bazyoungs at mac.com>
Date: 04/04/2009 15:18

Hi people
Last week several of you on the list were saying that their internet  
connection was slow, I checked mine at the time and it was showing  
1.8mbps so for me that was a good connection (Spixworth and just on  
the limit for the exchange so I don't expect anything faster) Now in  
the past couple of days, my speed has been around 240kbps and I was  
just curious if anybody else were having issues with their speed.
I may try and do the old shutdown and re-boot the router if nobody  
else has had problems.
Cheers
Baz


I love animals, they taste great.



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From rachaelandrews at ntlworld.com  Sat Apr  4 17:46:22 2009
From: rachaelandrews at ntlworld.com (Rachael Andrews)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 17:46:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] internet sluggish
In-Reply-To: <dfFgvT26D5S3.V0bgSt7B@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <dfFgvT26D5S3.V0bgSt7B@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <A48B7D52-A09A-41EA-A896-69F01ED86AAC@ntlworld.com>

On 4 Apr 2009, at 16:02, Simon Royal wrote:
<snip>

Apparently Tiscali are having issues in Brundall, too. My sister in  
law to be is jumping up and down as her broadband is out and she's  
trying to manage ebay auctions.
Funny how something that we didn't have a few years ago is now  
suddenly so vital.

Rachael


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat Apr  4 18:03:08 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sat,  4 Apr 2009 18:03:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] internet sluggish
Message-ID: <lgvlFw2vKn1X.slBJNdBw@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Rachael

Well I am back online. Phew.

Simon

--- visit my Mac site http://www.simonroyal.co.uk or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal' (sent using Nokia E71)

-original message-
Subject: Re: [NMUG] internet sluggish
From: Rachael Andrews <rachaelandrews at ntlworld.com>
Date: 04/04/2009 17:46

On 4 Apr 2009, at 16:02, Simon Royal wrote:
<snip>

Apparently Tiscali are having issues in Brundall, too. My sister in  
law to be is jumping up and down as her broadband is out and she's  
trying to manage ebay auctions.
Funny how something that we didn't have a few years ago is now  
suddenly so vital.

Rachael
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From robharrington at mac.com  Sat Apr  4 22:07:01 2009
From: robharrington at mac.com (ROB HARRINGTON)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 22:07:01 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] MobileMe problem
Message-ID: <9FF23E61-E792-45AA-8C4F-9F5DA53590B0@mac.com>

A Mobile Me support guy 'talked' me through the problem (of not being  
able to log in to change my card details) and once I successfully  
engaged MobileMe with Firefox it turned out to be a caching issue  
with Safari....................

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat Apr  4 22:31:43 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 04 Apr 2009 22:31:43 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New Broadband Provider
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904042231430.4176@pih-webmail01.plus.net>

Hi

Once every few months this topic comes up. I am currently with Tiscali - 
who have been pretty good. Not excellent but good.

Heavy peak time throttling down to horribly slow speeds and today complete 
outages for hours. I have a few months left with them, which I will sit out 
unless it gets worse and then I will argue it with them.

But I want a reliable and cheap option for broadband. I know, you usually 
get what you pay for but I can't budget for a whopping internet bill each 
month.

So suggestions who to use and who to avoid please. I am a heavy user with 
at times three Macs and a PC on the net at the same time, plus my mobile 
checking emails at regular intervals.

I am not interested in who tracks your data and sells it to foreign 
companies or tells tales to the government - I do enough dubious stuff 
online to worry about it.

Simon

--- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. 
Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)





From Interjay2 at btinternet.com  Sun Apr  5 09:31:40 2009
From: Interjay2 at btinternet.com (Peter James)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 09:31:40 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Offered for Sale
Message-ID: <8C0717B415F54676B4EF8B9B13B91C77@fujitsu>

Hi all, this is an eMAC computer with matching apple mouse and keyboard all in glossy white.
Techno stuff is, OS X 10.5.6 with a 1.25Ghz PowerPC G4 Processor. 1GB Sram, 80Gb HDD and a CD/DVD combo drive.
Wishing to upgrade to laptop, hence this sale. First class running order with too many apps. to mention here.
?95 --any trial.

From fowler.j at me.com  Sun Apr  5 09:45:58 2009
From: fowler.j at me.com (Jon Fowler)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 09:45:58 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Offered for Sale
In-Reply-To: <8C0717B415F54676B4EF8B9B13B91C77@fujitsu>
References: <8C0717B415F54676B4EF8B9B13B91C77@fujitsu>
Message-ID: <66EA959D-0C52-442D-92A2-BAAD5359007B@me.com>

I would be very interested in this machine. Would it be possible for  
you to contact me off list?

Jon
Apple Solutions Consultant

Sent from my iPhone

On 5 Apr 2009, at 09:31, Peter James <Interjay2 at btinternet.com> wrote:

> Hi all, this is an eMAC computer with matching apple mouse and  
> keyboard all in glossy white.
> Techno stuff is, OS X 10.5.6 with a 1.25Ghz PowerPC G4 Processor.  
> 1GB Sram, 80Gb HDD and a CD/DVD combo drive.
> Wishing to upgrade to laptop, hence this sale. First class running  
> order with too many apps. to mention here.
> ?95 --any trial.
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Apr  5 10:17:46 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 05 Apr 2009 10:17:46 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] OSX On NetBook vs PowerBook
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904051017460.9769@pih-webmail01.plus.net>

Hi

As always I am looking for a better machine. I love my PowerBook, it is a 
very capable machine, but I am always thinking of the next thing. I am 
waiting for some additional RAM to arrive to take it 768MB to 1GB which 
will make it even better, but in the back of my mind I keep thinking about 
these little ultra portable netbooks/webbooks.

How would these little 10" beauties compare - powerwise - to my G4 867Mhz 
PowerBook with 1GB of RAM. The market is flooded with these little machines 
from Elonex, Asus, Dell and MSI to name a few varying in specs.

A lot of people have hacked OSX to run on them, especially the MSI Wind. 
You can pick up the Asus EeePC on eBay for about ?40/?50.

Are they powerful enough to run Leopard properly - I know a lot of them can 
run Tiger, but I don't want to go backwards.

I have been put off them before as I don't want to go down the Linux route 
and won't go down the Windows route, but with edtted versions of OSX it is 
possible to get them to run it. Not only that with Snow Leopard round the 
corner about 99% sure it is going to Intel only, it won't be long after 
launch that this will be hacked to run on non-Apple hardware, whereas my 
PowerBook is going to be stuck in the Leopard world forever more.

So if anyone has any thoughts let me know. If anyone has success (or 
failure) at running OSX on non-Mac hardware let me know. If anyone thinks I 
am mad let me know.

Simon



--- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. 
Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)





From valeriehardman at btinternet.com  Sun Apr  5 12:03:44 2009
From: valeriehardman at btinternet.com (VALERIE HARDMAN)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 11:03:44 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 14
In-Reply-To: <mailman.63.1238921130.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <186866.38574.qm@web86512.mail.ird.yahoo.com>


Thanks for the advice,
I've sent a reply separately to Jon but thought I'd let you know that we didn't buy the Macbook from John Lewis after all because they didn't have one in stock, apparently there were 28 in the warehouse but none in the shop.  (That must make sense to somebody!) We actually were going to buy the white Macbook and not buy extra guarantee as two years would be ok.  We bought our imac desktop from JL and when the hard disc crashed after a few weeks their service was good.
Valerie



> Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 13:43:52 +0100
> From: Brian Steere <brian at clearlight.uk.net>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 12
> To: "nmug durrant.co.uk"
> <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Message-ID: <C5FD1498.27F27%brian at clearlight.uk.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="ISO-8859-1"
> 
> Consider that if you buy from Apple and get the extended
> Applecare from eBay
> (about ?85)(Direct via Apple is ?195) - you trump JL - in
> my opinion. You
> can also get hardware and software config options at Apple
> online that you
> cant necessarily get elsewhere.
> 
> I don't know what is behind the eBay Applecare
> agreements but they are from
> folk who have 99% positive and thousands of sales. So I
> don't feel they are
> illegal and I cant imagine that: 1 it would work - which it
> does! and 2 -
> that Apple would allow it to continue.
> 
> It may be that newbies might benefit from hand holding with
> JL - who
> genefrally have a good support reputation - I don't
> know if it is more or
> less helpful than Apple phone support - I haven't used
> the latter for years
> as I almost always sorted things myself and didn't  -
> mostly - find it that
> helpful. But I am fairly savvy and not everyone is.
> 
> Jon pointed out to me that if I bought from JL - then I
> cant add extended
> Applecare - but only the extra package from JL - 180 quid
> for an extra year.
> 
> hope this helps
> 
> regards
> Brian
> 
> 
> 
> VALERIE HARDMAN said recently:
> 
> > 
> > Hi John
> > Great that you've got an interview and hope you
> get the job.
> > We're just about to buy a Macbook from John Lewis,
> mainly for the two year
> > guarantee, so the new Apple shop will be just a tad
> late for us but even so
> > will enjoy looking around and no doubt be tempted by
> something,
> > best wishes
> > Valerie 
> > 
> > 
> > 



From rachaelandrews at ntlworld.com  Sun Apr  5 17:13:29 2009
From: rachaelandrews at ntlworld.com (Rachael Andrews)
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 17:13:29 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] OSX On NetBook vs PowerBook
In-Reply-To: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904051017460.9769@pih-webmail01.plus.net>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904051017460.9769@pih-webmail01.plus.net>
Message-ID: <B3A8A707-D842-493E-A228-6FB8A069E39E@ntlworld.com>

Hi Simon.

I am running 10.5.6 on an MSI Wind.
The OSX section of the MSIWind.net forum http://forums.msiwind.net/mac/?sid=aca4aabc23b25dd8f8d201af4c815162 
  is a good place to start, if you're not aware of it already.

I went for the Wind over the Dell Mini 9, which was my other choice,  
as earlier this year Dell started shipping the 9 with a non OSX  
compatible graphics card (at the time - I haven't looked lately to see  
if anyone has remedied that). I bypassed the Asus eeepc 1000 series as  
sound in OSX seemed to be abit of a faff with questionable results - I  
need sound as I use VoiceOver.
There is a retail install method for the wind or there is also a  
hacked torrent version - I admit to using the hacked version as it was  
easier to do for someone who had not done it before than the retail  
install. But as I have several licensed copies of Leopard (and Tiger  
and Panther) floating about in my house I don't feel morally bad about  
that. ;)

I can say that I now use my Wind exclusively for browsing, email, day  
to day stuff like that over my three year old macbook pro - for two  
reasons.
One - the screen is much brighter than on my macbook pro, even when  
both of them are calibrated side by side, which is good for me as my  
eyesight is such that if I am actually looking at something, the  
brighter and clearer the display, the more likely I am to be able to  
make anything out. Maybe this is because my macbook is getting along  
in years now, or maybe the Wind's screen is just much brighter all  
around, not sure.
Two - the wind is much more portable and does not burn my legs off  
when on my lap. ;)

Performance wise - I don't do heavy photo editing these days so I  
can't say how the wind would perform in that tradtionally heavy load  
task, nor do I do video editing. It plays Garageband projects fine is  
one thing I can say, as long as there are not too many effects in the  
mix, but that is true of my old iMac G5 too. However someone using GB  
and controlling it with the mouse might find it a chore, as the GB  
window cannot be resized on the Wind in order to give a ful screen  
view - something to do with restrictions of the program not being able  
to run on screen resolutions lower than a certain level (which I can't  
recall right now) rather than of the Wind.
  I have two gigs of ram in the wind which is the maximum the Atom  
processor can support as I understand it - an easy upgrade, even a  
virtually blind woman can do it (and I did. ;) )
The only thing that does not work on the Wind with OSX yet is the  
internal mic or the mic / line in, so a usb mic is needed. I got a  
Blue Snowflake - an excellent mic which serves my purposes extremely  
well (recording rehearsals of an acoustic vocal / guitar group).

I couldn't comment on performance versus your powerbook but I can say  
that the low price of the Wind and the short time spent putting OSX on  
it was well worth it in my opinion.
My fiance has a Lenovo S10e (another OSX capable netbook) which he  
runs XP on, but personally I think the screen is better on the Wind,  
and the keyboard better laid out. A friend has a Samsung N10 and she  
complains that the right hand shift key is in the wrong place (another  
XP and JAWS screen reader touch typist, so keyboard placement is  
important to her).

If there's anything specific you want to know about either the Wind  
with OSX or the Lenovo with XP (fiance hasn't bothered putting OSX on  
it yet) give me a prod.

Hope that lot helps. ;)

Rachael


From lizbarnard at btinternet.com  Sun Apr  5 19:40:17 2009
From: lizbarnard at btinternet.com (Liz)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 19:40:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 14
In-Reply-To: <mailman.63.1238921130.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C5FEB9A1.7350%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>

> But I want a reliable and cheap option for broadband. I know, you usually
> get what you pay for but I can't budget for a whopping internet bill each
> month.
> 
> So suggestions who to use and who to avoid please. I am a heavy user with
> at times three Macs and a PC on the net at the same time, plus my mobile
> checking emails at regular intervals.

Have you considered the Post Office?  Cheap and reliable I?m told with a
helpline based in Northern Ireland so easy to get hold of and (sort of) easy
to understand.  And free calls evenings and weekends as well as special
deals with 24 other countries.  You are still dependant on a BT ?phone line
of course.

Liz Barnard


From karl.hortt at btinternet.com  Mon Apr  6 08:39:52 2009
From: karl.hortt at btinternet.com (Karl Hortt)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 08:39:52 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] OSX On NetBook vs PowerBook
In-Reply-To: <B3A8A707-D842-493E-A228-6FB8A069E39E@ntlworld.com>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904051017460.9769@pih-webmail01.plus.net>
	<B3A8A707-D842-493E-A228-6FB8A069E39E@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <72AE42A9-B445-4D70-A01A-306D78AD0594@btinternet.com>


Hi Rachael,


I was really interested in your email, and am eager to go out and buy
a Wind (badged from PCworld)

The only concern I have is that it seems to indicate in the article

that the internal WiFI card doesn't work

and that you have to use an external card

can you confirm or not, that it is an issue ?


regards

Karl






On 5 Apr 2009, at 17:13, Rachael Andrews wrote:

> Hi Simon.
>
> I am running 10.5.6 on an MSI Wind.
> The OSX section of the MSIWind.net forum http://forums.msiwind.net/mac/?sid=aca4aabc23b25dd8f8d201af4c815162
>  is a good place to start, if you're not aware of it already.
>
> I went for the Wind over the Dell Mini 9, which was my other choice,
> as earlier this year Dell started shipping the 9 with a non OSX
> compatible graphics card (at the time - I haven't looked lately to see
> if anyone has remedied that). I bypassed the Asus eeepc 1000 series as
> sound in OSX seemed to be abit of a faff with questionable results - I
> need sound as I use VoiceOver.
> There is a retail install method for the wind or there is also a
> hacked torrent version - I admit to using the hacked version as it was
> easier to do for someone who had not done it before than the retail
> install. But as I have several licensed copies of Leopard (and Tiger
> and Panther) floating about in my house I don't feel morally bad about
> that. ;)
>
> I can say that I now use my Wind exclusively for browsing, email, day
> to day stuff like that over my three year old macbook pro - for two
> reasons.
> One - the screen is much brighter than on my macbook pro, even when
> both of them are calibrated side by side, which is good for me as my
> eyesight is such that if I am actually looking at something, the
> brighter and clearer the display, the more likely I am to be able to
> make anything out. Maybe this is because my macbook is getting along
> in years now, or maybe the Wind's screen is just much brighter all
> around, not sure.
> Two - the wind is much more portable and does not burn my legs off
> when on my lap. ;)
>
> Performance wise - I don't do heavy photo editing these days so I
> can't say how the wind would perform in that tradtionally heavy load
> task, nor do I do video editing. It plays Garageband projects fine is
> one thing I can say, as long as there are not too many effects in the
> mix, but that is true of my old iMac G5 too. However someone using GB
> and controlling it with the mouse might find it a chore, as the GB
> window cannot be resized on the Wind in order to give a ful screen
> view - something to do with restrictions of the program not being able
> to run on screen resolutions lower than a certain level (which I can't
> recall right now) rather than of the Wind.
>  I have two gigs of ram in the wind which is the maximum the Atom
> processor can support as I understand it - an easy upgrade, even a
> virtually blind woman can do it (and I did. ;) )
> The only thing that does not work on the Wind with OSX yet is the
> internal mic or the mic / line in, so a usb mic is needed. I got a
> Blue Snowflake - an excellent mic which serves my purposes extremely
> well (recording rehearsals of an acoustic vocal / guitar group).
>
> I couldn't comment on performance versus your powerbook but I can say
> that the low price of the Wind and the short time spent putting OSX on
> it was well worth it in my opinion.
> My fiance has a Lenovo S10e (another OSX capable netbook) which he
> runs XP on, but personally I think the screen is better on the Wind,
> and the keyboard better laid out. A friend has a Samsung N10 and she
> complains that the right hand shift key is in the wrong place (another
> XP and JAWS screen reader touch typist, so keyboard placement is
> important to her).
>
> If there's anything specific you want to know about either the Wind
> with OSX or the Lenovo with XP (fiance hasn't bothered putting OSX on
> it yet) give me a prod.
>
> Hope that lot helps. ;)
>
> Rachael
> _______________________________________________
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From rachaelandrews at ntlworld.com  Mon Apr  6 09:45:44 2009
From: rachaelandrews at ntlworld.com (Rachael Andrews)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 09:45:44 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] OSX On NetBook vs PowerBook
In-Reply-To: <72AE42A9-B445-4D70-A01A-306D78AD0594@btinternet.com>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904051017460.9769@pih-webmail01.plus.net>
	<B3A8A707-D842-493E-A228-6FB8A069E39E@ntlworld.com>
	<72AE42A9-B445-4D70-A01A-306D78AD0594@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <C4CBAEEB-7A42-4B51-BCAA-1ED31758BC30@ntlworld.com>

Hi Karl,

That used to be the case,  but with the Wind (the MSI one at least)  
this is no longer true.
The newer Winds seem to ship with a Ralink card that has OSX drivers.   
Just download on another machine, install, and you're done.
My Wind had a Realtek card, which I got the drivers for from this  
thread http://forums.msiwind.net/osx-guides/everything-you-need-index-important-links-t7295.html 
, again just install and go. Ralink drivers can be found here too -  
the only thing to bear in mind is that alot of users seems to upload  
stuff needed to rapidshare et al, which suddenly disappear after a  
while so you may need to hunt elsewhere on the forum for current urls  
to files.
The only thing that doesn't work, as I said, is the internal mic /  
line in. The other area of uncertainty is the webcam - mine is a  
Bisoncam 3 which works with iChat but not Skype or Photobooth. Other  
models seem to work the other way around.
I can't comment on the Pesky World badged ones as I've never had them  
but I believe they are exactly the same. What particular mix of  
hardware you get in any of them, MSI i
or not, seems to be luck of the draw.

Hope this helps.

Rachael



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Apr  6 11:13:00 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 06 Apr 2009 11:13:00 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] eMac Flash Sites & Maxxing RAM
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904061113001.28955@pih-webmail01.plus.net>

Hi

I have two eMac 800Mhz ATI models both running Tiger. One has 640MB of RAM, 
the other has 768MB of RAM. They run pretty smoothly. They are used by our 
kids under parental controls and Safari with parental browsing switched on.

They use a lot of flash sites for gaming: like CBeebies and NotDoppler. 
Some of the games and things run a bit sluggish.

Is this the machines? Is it Safari? Would maxxing the RAM to 1GB make any 
difference?

Simon

--- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. 
Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)





From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Apr  6 11:22:29 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 11:22:29 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] eMac Flash Sites & Maxxing RAM
In-Reply-To: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904061113001.28955@pih-webmail01.plus.net>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904061113001.28955@pih-webmail01.plus.net>
Message-ID: <F4B3D008-8F02-4590-A0B2-38CB9A8FE798@durrant.co.uk>

It's the flash on the web sites. It's astoundingly inefficient. Extra  
memory won't make any difference, only faster processors.

Paul


On 6 Apr 2009, at 11:13, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> I have two eMac 800Mhz ATI models both running Tiger. One has 640MB  
> of RAM,
> the other has 768MB of RAM. They run pretty smoothly. They are used  
> by our
> kids under parental controls and Safari with parental browsing  
> switched on.
>
> They use a lot of flash sites for gaming: like CBeebies and  
> NotDoppler.
> Some of the games and things run a bit sluggish.
>
> Is this the machines? Is it Safari? Would maxxing the RAM to 1GB  
> make any
> difference?



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Apr  6 11:29:34 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon,  6 Apr 2009 11:29:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] eMac Flash Sites & Maxxing RAM
Message-ID: <4kpJGz1cNvkb.zCwvHFJQ@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Paul

Is there any truth in the reports that Flash 10 for PPC is rubbish and that Flash 9 is a lot faster.

Backtracking is quite difficult and don't want to do it if it is not worth it.

Simon

--- visit my Mac site http://www.simonroyal.co.uk or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal' (sent using Nokia E71)

-original message-
Subject: Re: [NMUG] eMac Flash Sites & Maxxing RAM
From: Paul Durrant <paul at durrant.co.uk>
Date: 06/04/2009 11:22

It's the flash on the web sites. It's astoundingly inefficient. Extra  
memory won't make any difference, only faster processors.

Paul


On 6 Apr 2009, at 11:13, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> I have two eMac 800Mhz ATI models both running Tiger. One has 640MB  
> of RAM,
> the other has 768MB of RAM. They run pretty smoothly. They are used  
> by our
> kids under parental controls and Safari with parental browsing  
> switched on.
>
> They use a lot of flash sites for gaming: like CBeebies and  
> NotDoppler.
> Some of the games and things run a bit sluggish.
>
> Is this the machines? Is it Safari? Would maxxing the RAM to 1GB  
> make any
> difference?

_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Apr  6 11:59:32 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 11:59:32 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] eMac Flash Sites & Maxxing RAM
In-Reply-To: <4kpJGz1cNvkb.zCwvHFJQ@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <4kpJGz1cNvkb.zCwvHFJQ@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <58139F6D-1D6C-47CB-AF8A-BAFD0C77D83A@durrant.co.uk>

Sorry, no idea. Anyone?


On 6 Apr 2009, at 11:29, Simon Royal wrote:

> Paul
>
> Is there any truth in the reports that Flash 10 for PPC is rubbish  
> and that Flash 9 is a lot faster.
>
> Backtracking is quite difficult and don't want to do it if it is not  
> worth it.



From lizbarnard at btinternet.com  Mon Apr  6 19:13:13 2009
From: lizbarnard at btinternet.com (Liz)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 19:13:13 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Broadband suppliers
Message-ID: <C60004C9.735E%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>

I am buying into a block of flats that is cabled up for Virgin ?phone and
broadband.  Everyone else there seems to have just accepted this but it
strikes me that having no choice of supplier is a restrictive practice and
I?m surprised this is allowed by....well, whoever it is that polices this
kind of thing.

Can anyone suggest a way round this ? short of a dongle with someone else,
which is the only alternative I can think of.  In fact is it possible to run
another service provider on a Virgin cable anyway?

Liz


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Apr  6 19:19:47 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 19:19:47 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Broadband suppliers
In-Reply-To: <C60004C9.735E%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>
References: <C60004C9.735E%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <85C29AB4-33CD-440A-8FF8-D6B1A8EB9874@durrant.co.uk>

Cable companies are a monopoly in their area. Your alternative is to  
get BT to supply a phone line. You can then get broadband via any ADSL  
broadband supplier, and also choose your phone service supplier - it  
doesn't have to be BT, although I think they have to connect the line.

Paul

On 6 Apr 2009, at 19:13, Liz wrote:

> I am buying into a block of flats that is cabled up for Virgin  
> ?phone and
> broadband.  Everyone else there seems to have just accepted this but  
> it
> strikes me that having no choice of supplier is a restrictive  
> practice and
> I?m surprised this is allowed by....well, whoever it is that polices  
> this
> kind of thing.
>
> Can anyone suggest a way round this ? short of a dongle with someone  
> else,
> which is the only alternative I can think of.  In fact is it  
> possible to run
> another service provider on a Virgin cable anyway?



From macman at f2s.com  Mon Apr  6 19:40:37 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 19:40:37 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Broadband suppliers
In-Reply-To: <85C29AB4-33CD-440A-8FF8-D6B1A8EB9874@durrant.co.uk>
References: <C60004C9.735E%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>
	<85C29AB4-33CD-440A-8FF8-D6B1A8EB9874@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <0CAD930B-83E9-43B5-AA9D-A4F6F4A12AE9@f2s.com>

.... and unless there has been an active landline into the flat in the  
past 2 years or so, the charge is about ?130.00!

Robbie



On 6 Apr 2009, at 19:19, Paul Durrant wrote:

Cable companies are a monopoly in their area. Your alternative is to
get BT to supply a phone line. You can then get broadband via any ADSL
broadband supplier, and also choose your phone service supplier - it
doesn't have to be BT, although I think they have to connect the line.

Paul

On 6 Apr 2009, at 19:13, Liz wrote:

> I am buying into a block of flats that is cabled up for Virgin
> ?phone and broadband .......




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Apr  6 20:07:06 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon,  6 Apr 2009 20:07:06 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Broadband suppliers
Message-ID: <qBFqWT7ttcZB.TbfB4Rtb@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

You cannot get anything except a phone down a Virgin line. They use a seperate box for their broadband.

BT are a pain as they charge ?125 for line installation vs Virgin who charge ?25 installation which you also get back.

Now who is the monopolist here.

Simon

--- visit my Mac site http://www.simonroyal.co.uk or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal' (sent using Nokia E71)

-original message-
Subject: Re: [NMUG] Broadband suppliers
From: Paul Durrant <paul at durrant.co.uk>
Date: 06/04/2009 19:19

Cable companies are a monopoly in their area. Your alternative is to  
get BT to supply a phone line. You can then get broadband via any ADSL  
broadband supplier, and also choose your phone service supplier - it  
doesn't have to be BT, although I think they have to connect the line.

Paul

On 6 Apr 2009, at 19:13, Liz wrote:

> I am buying into a block of flats that is cabled up for Virgin  
> ?phone and
> broadband.  Everyone else there seems to have just accepted this but  
> it
> strikes me that having no choice of supplier is a restrictive  
> practice and
> I?m surprised this is allowed by....well, whoever it is that polices  
> this
> kind of thing.
>
> Can anyone suggest a way round this ? short of a dongle with someone  
> else,
> which is the only alternative I can think of.  In fact is it  
> possible to run
> another service provider on a Virgin cable anyway?

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From davidenglish at mac.com  Mon Apr  6 21:14:48 2009
From: davidenglish at mac.com (David English)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 21:14:48 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] MBs and photos..... Question
In-Reply-To: <468149.9058.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
References: <468149.9058.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <100146604698091659936343262785052366996-Webmail@me.com>

Hi all

I have downloaded  a photograph as an email attachment. the incoming email indicated the attachment was  19MB. I import this same image into iphoto and the information menu tells me it is 14.2 MB.
What is going on? I have notice this sort of thing before.

Cheers

David


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Apr  6 23:30:05 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 23:30:05 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] MBs and photos..... Question
In-Reply-To: <100146604698091659936343262785052366996-Webmail@me.com>
References: <468149.9058.qm@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
	<100146604698091659936343262785052366996-Webmail@me.com>
Message-ID: <1D8F169D-F13F-485F-B850-BEA39D640A13@durrant.co.uk>

email attachments are usually encoded in some way to make sure they  
pass through the mail server, as pure binary will get mangled. Base64  
is one common scheme, which adds about one third to the file size, but  
is definitely compatible with all mail servers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base64
14.2*4/3 = 18.93.

I think we have your answer.

regards,

Paul

On 6 Apr 2009, at 21:14, David English wrote:

> Hi all
>
> I have downloaded  a photograph as an email attachment. the incoming  
> email indicated the attachment was  19MB. I import this same image  
> into iphoto and the information menu tells me it is 14.2 MB.
> What is going on? I have notice this sort of thing before.



From june.perrett at mac.com  Tue Apr  7 07:03:01 2009
From: june.perrett at mac.com (June Perrett)
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 07:03:01 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] hp Laserjet 1300 printer problem
Message-ID: <9D6E7619-CA46-4E79-BAF0-FE1CDC0B3C8B@mac.com>

My hp Laserjet 1300 printer won't print since I removed paper that had  
got jammed.

The orange light keeps blinking which means there's an error.  There's  
a message 'Connecting. GenericClass: waiting for device' - but nothing  
happens.

Can't find any solution on HELP at top of my screen. Does anyone have  
one of these printers and if so - any idea what to do next?

Can you suggest where I can take it for someone to look at?

Many thanks
June



From ajf at afco.demon.co.uk  Tue Apr  7 07:22:45 2009
From: ajf at afco.demon.co.uk (Alan Fry)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 07:22:45 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] hp Laserjet 1300 printer problem
In-Reply-To: <9D6E7619-CA46-4E79-BAF0-FE1CDC0B3C8B@mac.com>
References: <9D6E7619-CA46-4E79-BAF0-FE1CDC0B3C8B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <0D704090-6AD0-4ECC-9BDD-5A1B7A63D8AA@afco.demon.co.uk>


On 7 Apr 2009, at 07:03, June Perrett wrote:

> My hp Laserjet 1300 printer won't print since I removed paper that had
> got jammed.
>
> The orange light keeps blinking which means there's an error.  There's
> a message 'Connecting. GenericClass: waiting for device' - but nothing
> happens.

I have a Laserjet 1300 and it occasionally does this.  It is almost  
certainly a 'communication problem' between printer and computer,  
rather than anything physically wrong with the printer. For some  
reason it can't find the usual 'driver'. I take it no bits of paper  
left behind or anything like that?

Usually switching it off (with the switch at the back) and counting to  
ten before switching on again, resolves the problem.

Also rebooting the computer (with the printer on and connected)  
sometimes straightens things out.

Hope this cures the problem,

Alan

> Can't find any solution on HELP at top of my screen. Does anyone have
> one of these printers and if so - any idea what to do next?
>
> Can you suggest where I can take it for someone to look at?
>
> Many thanks
> June
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From ernienmug at f2s.com  Tue Apr  7 08:02:11 2009
From: ernienmug at f2s.com (Ernie Ives)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 08:02:11 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] hp Laserjet 1300 printer problem
In-Reply-To: <9D6E7619-CA46-4E79-BAF0-FE1CDC0B3C8B@mac.com>
References: <9D6E7619-CA46-4E79-BAF0-FE1CDC0B3C8B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <65AAE0AA-1C61-41BD-9EAB-D043CB935913@f2s.com>


Ernie Ives Marquetarian and microscopist

I sometimes have a similar problem with the HP 1320 series. Switching  
it off for a short while often cures it but also it often defaults to  
the Generic printer setting and I have to change it back to the 1320  
printer (in your case the 1300 setting)

PS If you ever need a new cartridge, contact me. I wrongly bought one  
for the 1300 instead of the 1320 and only realised it after I'd pulled  
the tab and couldn't return it.

Best wishes
Ernie



On 7 Apr 2009, at 07:03, June Perrett wrote:

> My hp Laserjet 1300 printer won't print since I removed paper that had
> got jammed.
>
> The orange light keeps blinking which means there's an error.  There's
> a message 'Connecting. GenericClass: waiting for device' - but nothing
> happens.
>
> Can't find any solution on HELP at top of my screen. Does anyone have
> one of these printers and if so - any idea what to do next?
>
> Can you suggest where I can take it for someone to look at?
>
> Many thanks
> June
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



From june.perrett at mac.com  Tue Apr  7 11:57:25 2009
From: june.perrett at mac.com (June Perrett)
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 11:57:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] hp Laser 1300 printer problem is solved
Message-ID: <AF8C049C-EBD4-4A15-BF79-FB03A2976FDE@mac.com>

The Laser printer is working again ... big sighs of relief this end!
On further investigation an intruder was discovered - a little piece  
of clear plastic! Whipped him
out and hey presto I'm able to print again.
Many thanks if you've posted some 'help' suggestions.
Happy Easter everyone.
Regards
June


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Apr  7 22:45:29 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 07 Apr 2009 22:45:29 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] MOV Audio Quality
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904072245290.26919@pih-webmail01.plus.net>

Hi

I am posting this again as I got no information back and did a little 
digging further.

I have an MOV file which is an interview recorded at a crowded event. The 
crowd noise is quite loud and I wondered if there was a way of cleaning up 
the audio so the interview was better.

I imported the MOV into Audacity as an audio file and tried the cleaning 
tools in there, but it really didn't make a lot of difference.

Any ideas. Plus is iMovie the easiest way to 'dub' the new audio track back 
onto the original video.

Simon

--- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. 
Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Tue Apr  7 23:51:33 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 23:51:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] MOV Audio Quality
In-Reply-To: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904072245290.26919@pih-webmail01.plus.net>
Message-ID: <C6019785.281EC%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

If the 'noise' is a different frequency than the signal then you may be able
to diminish the noise frequency without overly depreciating the signal.

I was recorded at Glast Fest once - outside - and their engineers made it
sound like I was in a studio. But how and with what I haven't clue.

Good luck
regards
Brian


Simon Royal said recently:

> Hi
> 
> I am posting this again as I got no information back and did a little
> digging further.
> 
> I have an MOV file which is an interview recorded at a crowded event. The
> crowd noise is quite loud and I wondered if there was a way of cleaning up
> the audio so the interview was better.
> 
> I imported the MOV into Audacity as an audio file and tried the cleaning
> tools in there, but it really didn't make a lot of difference.
> 
> Any ideas. Plus is iMovie the easiest way to 'dub' the new audio track back
> onto the original video.
> 
> Simon
> 
> --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive.
> Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed Apr  8 07:42:45 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 07:42:45 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] MOV Audio Quality
In-Reply-To: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904072245290.26919@pih-webmail01.plus.net>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904072245290.26919@pih-webmail01.plus.net>
Message-ID: <799D36F6-BAC7-48DB-86C4-E7B9D9752BB8@durrant.co.uk>

SoundSoap2 does a pretty good job on most noise.

http://www.bias-inc.com/products/soundSoap2/

I think they have a demo. If it's just a one-off thing, send me the  
file and I'll run it through for you.

Paul

On 7 Apr 2009, at 22:45, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> I am posting this again as I got no information back and did a little
> digging further.
>
> I have an MOV file which is an interview recorded at a crowded  
> event. The
> crowd noise is quite loud and I wondered if there was a way of  
> cleaning up
> the audio so the interview was better.
>
> I imported the MOV into Audacity as an audio file and tried the  
> cleaning
> tools in there, but it really didn't make a lot of difference.
>
> Any ideas. Plus is iMovie the easiest way to 'dub' the new audio  
> track back
> onto the original video.
>
> Simon
>
> --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, 80GB HD,  
> SuperDrive.
> Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk  Wed Apr  8 10:56:03 2009
From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 10:56:03 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Involuntary switching on.
Message-ID: <C1CD5EB6-B447-4053-8F10-DC6F6E1824BD@themagic.me.uk>

My iMac (Intel) still comes on every morning without me switching it  
on. Does not happen at other times but then it has not been off for 8-  
10 hours.

On successive days I have used Techtool DeLuxe, Disk Utility ( to  
repair permissions), Zapped Pram, reset System Management controller.  
When this first started some months ago I believe Paul D said it could  
be a serous problem but unfortunately I do not remember the details,  
if I am correct.

I now have Apple Care so will try that route but I am asking here in  
case anyone can help. Previously under the John Lewis warranty the  
local Apple repairers, Byte, replaced the power unit. Later both these  
parties said it must be a software problem so would not help.

Thanks

Anthony



From munkt0n at gmail.com  Wed Apr  8 11:02:56 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:02:56 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Involuntary switching on.
In-Reply-To: <C1CD5EB6-B447-4053-8F10-DC6F6E1824BD@themagic.me.uk>
References: <C1CD5EB6-B447-4053-8F10-DC6F6E1824BD@themagic.me.uk>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0904080302k35b03e5ct7a002a444c0a5895@mail.gmail.com>

check the settings in system prefs > energy saver > schedule button

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Anthony Brahams
<anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk> wrote:
> My iMac (Intel) still comes on every morning without me switching it
> on. Does not happen at other times but then it has not been off for 8-
> 10 hours.
>
> On successive days I have used Techtool DeLuxe, Disk Utility ( to
> repair permissions), Zapped Pram, reset System Management controller.
> When this first started some months ago I believe Paul D said it could
> be a serous problem but unfortunately I do not remember the details,
> if I am correct.
>
> I now have Apple Care so will try that route but I am asking here in
> case anyone can help. Previously under the John Lewis warranty the
> local Apple repairers, Byte, replaced the power unit. Later both these
> parties said it must be a software problem so would not help.
>
> Thanks
>
> Anthony
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



-- 
:wq


From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk  Wed Apr  8 11:20:15 2009
From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:20:15 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Involuntary switching on.
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0904080302k35b03e5ct7a002a444c0a5895@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C1CD5EB6-B447-4053-8F10-DC6F6E1824BD@themagic.me.uk>
	<ac224bde0904080302k35b03e5ct7a002a444c0a5895@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9E1A8CC6-F706-443A-9158-58263EF2C8E2@themagic.me.uk>

Thanks, Scott. Regret nothing checked in that section.
Anthony

On 8 Apr 2009, at 11:02, Scott Matthews wrote:

> check the settings in system prefs > energy saver > schedule button
>
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Anthony Brahams
> <anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk> wrote:
>> My iMac (Intel) still comes on every morning without me switching it
>> on. Does not happen at other times but then it has not been off for  
>> 8-
>> 10 hours.
>>
>> On successive days I have used Techtool DeLuxe, Disk Utility ( to
>> repair permissions), Zapped Pram, reset System Management controller.
>> When this first started some months ago I believe Paul D said it  
>> could
>> be a serous problem but unfortunately I do not remember the details,
>> if I am correct.
>>
>> I now have Apple Care so will try that route but I am asking here in
>> case anyone can help. Previously under the John Lewis warranty the
>> local Apple repairers, Byte, replaced the power unit. Later both  
>> these
>> parties said it must be a software problem so would not help.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Anthony
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> :wq
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Wed Apr  8 12:01:18 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 12:01:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Involuntary switching on.
In-Reply-To: <9E1A8CC6-F706-443A-9158-58263EF2C8E2@themagic.me.uk>
Message-ID: <C602428E.28241%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

Try checking some such setting to wake.
Restarting.
Then resetting to what you desire.
Just in case the settings themselves are not accurately indicating.
There will be specific preferences file(s) associated with this. To locate
and delete this is another method.
I'd also zap the P-ram.
all the best
Brian


Anthony Brahams said recently:

> Thanks, Scott. Regret nothing checked in that section.
> Anthony
> 
> On 8 Apr 2009, at 11:02, Scott Matthews wrote:
> 
>> check the settings in system prefs > energy saver > schedule button
>> 
>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Anthony Brahams
>> <anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk> wrote:
>>> My iMac (Intel) still comes on every morning without me switching it
>>> on. Does not happen at other times but then it has not been off for
>>> 8-
>>> 10 hours.
>>> 
>>> On successive days I have used Techtool DeLuxe, Disk Utility ( to
>>> repair permissions), Zapped Pram, reset System Management controller.
>>> When this first started some months ago I believe Paul D said it
>>> could
>>> be a serous problem but unfortunately I do not remember the details,
>>> if I am correct.
>>> 
>>> I now have Apple Care so will try that route but I am asking here in
>>> case anyone can help. Previously under the John Lewis warranty the
>>> local Apple repairers, Byte, replaced the power unit. Later both
>>> these
>>> parties said it must be a software problem so would not help.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Anthony
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> :wq
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Wed Apr  8 12:03:04 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 12:03:04 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Involuntary switching on.
In-Reply-To: <C1CD5EB6-B447-4053-8F10-DC6F6E1824BD@themagic.me.uk>
Message-ID: <C60242F8.28242%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

er - sorry about not reading it slowly first!.
How did you add AppleCare to a JL Mac?
all the best
Brian


Anthony Brahams said recently:

> My iMac (Intel) still comes on every morning without me switching it
> on. Does not happen at other times but then it has not been off for 8-
> 10 hours.
> 
> On successive days I have used Techtool DeLuxe, Disk Utility ( to
> repair permissions), Zapped Pram, reset System Management controller.
> When this first started some months ago I believe Paul D said it could
> be a serous problem but unfortunately I do not remember the details,
> if I am correct.
> 
> I now have Apple Care so will try that route but I am asking here in
> case anyone can help. Previously under the John Lewis warranty the
> local Apple repairers, Byte, replaced the power unit. Later both these
> parties said it must be a software problem so would not help.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Anthony
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Wed Apr  8 12:06:08 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 12:06:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Involuntary switching on.
In-Reply-To: <C60242F8.28242%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
References: <C60242F8.28242%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
Message-ID: <A2BAB93C-54CD-48C8-9722-A3E712BB14E5@virgin.net>


On Apr 8, 2009, at 12:03, Brian Steere wrote:

> er - sorry about not reading it slowly first!.
> How did you add AppleCare to a JL Mac?

AppleCare can be added any time in the first 12 months after purchase.  
It does not need to be bought at the same time.

Paul C



From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Wed Apr  8 12:08:51 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 12:08:51 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Spoof - eBay - watch out!
Message-ID: <C6024453.28246%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

eBay Change Email Notice


I got a fairly well made spoof today which wont catch the wary ? but isn't
as poorly crafted as some so I felt to say ? stay awake!

all the best
Brian


From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Wed Apr  8 12:11:33 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 12:11:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Involuntary switching on.
In-Reply-To: <9E1A8CC6-F706-443A-9158-58263EF2C8E2@themagic.me.uk>
References: <C1CD5EB6-B447-4053-8F10-DC6F6E1824BD@themagic.me.uk>
	<ac224bde0904080302k35b03e5ct7a002a444c0a5895@mail.gmail.com>
	<9E1A8CC6-F706-443A-9158-58263EF2C8E2@themagic.me.uk>
Message-ID: <BBB090AC-E05A-4798-A021-820965F20DC9@virgin.net>


On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:20, Anthony Brahams wrote:

> Thanks, Scott. Regret nothing checked in that section.

Also under Energy Saver there is an Options. Is the "Restart  
automatically after a power failure" ticked? If it is then the iMac  
can be affected by turning off at the mains.

Paul C



From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Wed Apr  8 12:15:33 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 12:15:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] another spoof related thought
Message-ID: <C60245E5.28248%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

I got two of these ? one to an address that doesn't usually get spam,

If you accidentally logged into a false eBay you?d have the tiniest time
window to log in to the true account and change the password before the
imposters do the same and lock you out!

I expect that there will be many who succumb to this new spoof and for a
brief spell will have their account hijacked.
Thus some items on eBay will appear that are too good to be true ? and from
seller with good track records.

They will also probably exhibit a different tone and feel from previous or
concurrent auction items.

all the best
Brian






From sales at trianglecomputers.co.uk  Wed Apr  8 12:39:23 2009
From: sales at trianglecomputers.co.uk (Triangle Computer Systems)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 12:39:23 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] MOV Audio Quality
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1239188401.80495.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1.1239188401.80495.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <49DC8CEB.2090804@trianglecomputers.co.uk>

Simon,

I'd try using the EQ plugin in audacity to raise the frequencies between 
1KHz & 4KHz, a bit of trial and error may be needed... usually a mid 
range boost should help differentiate between main speaker & background 
noise, however, there is no "magic trick" if the original audio file is 
particularly bad.

Tom

Triangle Computer Systems
t: (01603 ) 66 72 32
e: sales at trianglecomputers.co.uk
w: www.trianglecomputers.co.uk

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: 07 Apr 2009 22:45:29 +0100
> From: Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Subject: [NMUG] MOV Audio Quality
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> Message-ID:
> 	<BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904072245290.26919 at pih-webmail01.plus.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hi
>
> I am posting this again as I got no information back and did a little 
> digging further.
>
> I have an MOV file which is an interview recorded at a crowded event. The 
> crowd noise is quite loud and I wondered if there was a way of cleaning up 
> the audio so the interview was better.
>
> I imported the MOV into Audacity as an audio file and tried the cleaning 
> tools in there, but it really didn't make a lot of difference.
>
> Any ideas. Plus is iMovie the easiest way to 'dub' the new audio track back 
> onto the original video.
>
> Simon
>
> --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. 
> Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
>   
>


From jeremyknight at mac.com  Wed Apr  8 12:43:26 2009
From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 12:43:26 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Spoof - eBay - watch out!
In-Reply-To: <C6024453.28246%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
References: <C6024453.28246%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
Message-ID: <8A417CEB-2208-4949-955F-81FCE183C486@mac.com>

Hi Brian
  have you reported it with the long headers to

spoof at ebay.com     ?

jeremy
On 8 Apr 2009, at 12:08, Brian Steere wrote:

> eBay Change Email Notice
>
>
> I got a fairly well made spoof today which wont catch the wary ?  
> but isn't
> as poorly crafted as some so I felt to say ? stay awake!
>
> all the best
> Brian
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Wed Apr  8 12:56:31 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 12:56:31 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] MOV Audio Quality
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1239188401.80495.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1.1239188401.80495.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CF1C74C1-4E7B-4B79-A343-26199FEAF210@gmail.com>

>

Simon Royal writted...
>
> I have an MOV file which is an interview recorded at a crowded  
> event. The
> crowd noise is quite loud and I wondered if there was a way of  
> cleaning up
> the audio so the interview was better.
>
>
> Any ideas. Plus is iMovie the easiest way to 'dub' the new audio  
> track back
> onto the original video.


Check out the audio tools in Final Cut Pro.. fantastic. Some good  
tutorials on apple.com

Good luck in finding something with simon-appeal: powerful, simple to  
use, free and runs on an original 128K Mac!




From david at vanedwards.co.uk  Wed Apr  8 13:02:08 2009
From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:02:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Spoof - eBay - watch out!
In-Reply-To: <8A417CEB-2208-4949-955F-81FCE183C486@mac.com>
References: <C6024453.28246%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
	<8A417CEB-2208-4949-955F-81FCE183C486@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06240805c602420cd944@[192.168.1.101]>

Dear Brian and Jeremy,

I gt the same spoof and did report it to ebay with long headers. But 
didn't think to alert NMUG. But I should have done so, since I too 
thought it looked much more convincing than the usual spoofs. Eudora 
alerts me that the link does not point to the website it claims to 
show.

Best wishes,

DAvid


>Hi Brian
>   have you reported it with the long headers to
>
>spoof at ebay.com     ?
>
>jeremy
>On 8 Apr 2009, at 12:08, Brian Steere wrote:
>
>>  eBay Change Email Notice
>>
>>
>>  I got a fairly well made spoof today which wont catch the wary - 
>>  but isn't
>>  as poorly crafted as some so I felt to say - stay awake!
>>
>>  all the best
>>  Brian
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  NMUG mailing list
>>  NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>  http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
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From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Wed Apr  8 16:32:48 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:32:48 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Involuntary switching on.
In-Reply-To: <A2BAB93C-54CD-48C8-9722-A3E712BB14E5@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <C6028230.28287%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

Jon in A/PCW told me that it couldn't be added f or a Mac bought under JL
warranty???
That the whole warranty and serial no - was passed over to JL.

So it is not so?

regards
Brian


Paul Chapman said recently:

> 
> On Apr 8, 2009, at 12:03, Brian Steere wrote:
> 
>> er - sorry about not reading it slowly first!.
>> How did you add AppleCare to a JL Mac?
> 
> AppleCare can be added any time in the first 12 months after purchase.
> It does not need to be bought at the same time.
> 
> Paul C
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Wed Apr  8 16:39:13 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 16:39:13 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Spoof - eBay - watch out!
In-Reply-To: <8A417CEB-2208-4949-955F-81FCE183C486@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C60283B1.28289%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

I always do - just in case I am an early recipient.
The sooner they know of one the better.

It doesn't take much to spot the fake - but it relies on passing as real -
not in passing scrutiny.

all the best
Brian

jeremy knight said recently:

> Hi Brian
>   have you reported it with the long headers to
> 
> spoof at ebay.com     ?
> 
> jeremy
> On 8 Apr 2009, at 12:08, Brian Steere wrote:
> 
>> eBay Change Email Notice
>> 
>> 
>> I got a fairly well made spoof today which wont catch the wary ?
>> but isn't
>> as poorly crafted as some so I felt to say ? stay awake!
>> 
>> all the best
>> Brian
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk  Wed Apr  8 19:30:32 2009
From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 19:30:32 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Involuntary switching on.
In-Reply-To: <C6028230.28287%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
References: <C6028230.28287%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
Message-ID: <EDE92293-411C-4785-B276-B4B677CA9E20@themagic.me.uk>

I don't know about what you wrote. I have original warranty from JL  
which is  only for hardware. I bought Apple Care on ebay (JL don't  
sell it) and it is now all registered with Apple.
Anthony

On 8 Apr 2009, at 16:32, Brian Steere wrote:

> Jon in A/PCW told me that it couldn't be added f or a Mac bought  
> under JL
> warranty???
> That the whole warranty and serial no - was passed over to JL.
>
> So it is not so?
>
> regards
> Brian
>
>
> Paul Chapman said recently:
>
>>
>> On Apr 8, 2009, at 12:03, Brian Steere wrote:
>>
>>> er - sorry about not reading it slowly first!.
>>> How did you add AppleCare to a JL Mac?
>>
>> AppleCare can be added any time in the first 12 months after  
>> purchase.
>> It does not need to be bought at the same time.
>>
>> Paul C
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk  Wed Apr  8 19:32:09 2009
From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 19:32:09 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Involuntary switching on.
In-Reply-To: <BBB090AC-E05A-4798-A021-820965F20DC9@virgin.net>
References: <C1CD5EB6-B447-4053-8F10-DC6F6E1824BD@themagic.me.uk>
	<ac224bde0904080302k35b03e5ct7a002a444c0a5895@mail.gmail.com>
	<9E1A8CC6-F706-443A-9158-58263EF2C8E2@themagic.me.uk>
	<BBB090AC-E05A-4798-A021-820965F20DC9@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <1699D283-748F-4DC8-A062-1A704A5AE38F@themagic.me.uk>

It's not ticked. I do not turn off at mains but use Shut Down
Anthony

On 8 Apr 2009, at 12:11, Paul Chapman wrote:

>
> On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:20, Anthony Brahams wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Scott. Regret nothing checked in that section.
>
> Also under Energy Saver there is an Options. Is the "Restart
> automatically after a power failure" ticked? If it is then the iMac
> can be affected by turning off at the mains.
>
> Paul C
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Wed Apr  8 19:51:10 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 19:51:10 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Involuntary switching on.
In-Reply-To: <EDE92293-411C-4785-B276-B4B677CA9E20@themagic.me.uk>
Message-ID: <C602B0AE.282A4%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

Then what Jon said is in error and one can buy from JL AND add Applecare
during the first year.

As it happens I preferred to order recently direct from Apple to get
speedier delivery and more importantly - some custom configuration for the
order.

Hope Apple can sort out your early rising Mac!

regards
Brian


Anthony Brahams said recently:

> I don't know about what you wrote. I have original warranty from JL
> which is  only for hardware. I bought Apple Care on ebay (JL don't
> sell it) and it is now all registered with Apple.
> Anthony
> 
> On 8 Apr 2009, at 16:32, Brian Steere wrote:
> 
>> Jon in A/PCW told me that it couldn't be added f or a Mac bought
>> under JL
>> warranty???
>> That the whole warranty and serial no - was passed over to JL.
>> 
>> So it is not so?
>> 
>> regards
>> Brian
>> 
>> 
>> Paul Chapman said recently:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 8, 2009, at 12:03, Brian Steere wrote:
>>> 
>>>> er - sorry about not reading it slowly first!.
>>>> How did you add AppleCare to a JL Mac?
>>> 
>>> AppleCare can be added any time in the first 12 months after
>>> purchase.
>>> It does not need to be bought at the same time.
>>> 
>>> Paul C
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From ajf at afco.demon.co.uk  Wed Apr  8 19:53:41 2009
From: ajf at afco.demon.co.uk (Alan Fry)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 19:53:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Involuntary switching on.
In-Reply-To: <1699D283-748F-4DC8-A062-1A704A5AE38F@themagic.me.uk>
References: <C1CD5EB6-B447-4053-8F10-DC6F6E1824BD@themagic.me.uk>
	<ac224bde0904080302k35b03e5ct7a002a444c0a5895@mail.gmail.com>
	<9E1A8CC6-F706-443A-9158-58263EF2C8E2@themagic.me.uk>
	<BBB090AC-E05A-4798-A021-820965F20DC9@virgin.net>
	<1699D283-748F-4DC8-A062-1A704A5AE38F@themagic.me.uk>
Message-ID: <77F9B9D9-07AB-4EA9-A169-F90291C3EB6A@afco.demon.co.uk>

There is an Apple paper at <http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1543>. The  
section at the end on resetting the "System Management Controller" (a  
chip which manages power issues) might be relevant.

Resetting the SMC is certainly worth a try, and simple enough to do.

Regards,

Alan

On 8 Apr 2009, at 19:32, Anthony Brahams wrote:

> It's not ticked. I do not turn off at mains but use Shut Down
> Anthony
>
> On 8 Apr 2009, at 12:11, Paul Chapman wrote:
>
>>
>> On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:20, Anthony Brahams wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Scott. Regret nothing checked in that section.
>>
>> Also under Energy Saver there is an Options. Is the "Restart
>> automatically after a power failure" ticked? If it is then the iMac
>> can be affected by turning off at the mains.
>>
>> Paul C


From ajf at afco.demon.co.uk  Wed Apr  8 20:02:31 2009
From: ajf at afco.demon.co.uk (Alan Fry)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 20:02:31 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Involuntary switching on.
In-Reply-To: <1699D283-748F-4DC8-A062-1A704A5AE38F@themagic.me.uk>
References: <C1CD5EB6-B447-4053-8F10-DC6F6E1824BD@themagic.me.uk>
	<ac224bde0904080302k35b03e5ct7a002a444c0a5895@mail.gmail.com>
	<9E1A8CC6-F706-443A-9158-58263EF2C8E2@themagic.me.uk>
	<BBB090AC-E05A-4798-A021-820965F20DC9@virgin.net>
	<1699D283-748F-4DC8-A062-1A704A5AE38F@themagic.me.uk>
Message-ID: <0D064652-CAE2-43A2-B096-D420EB7056C5@afco.demon.co.uk>

Ooops. Sorry. Looking back I see you have already done that...

Alan

There is an Apple paper at <http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1543>. The  
section at the end on resetting the "System Management Controller" (a  
chip which manages power issues) might be relevant.

Resetting the SMC is certainly worth a try, and simple enough to do.

Regards,

Alan

On 8 Apr 2009, at 19:32, Anthony Brahams wrote:

> It's not ticked. I do not turn off at mains but use Shut Down
> Anthony
>
> On 8 Apr 2009, at 12:11, Paul Chapman wrote:
>
>>
>> On Apr 8, 2009, at 11:20, Anthony Brahams wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Scott. Regret nothing checked in that section.
>>
>> Also under Energy Saver there is an Options. Is the "Restart
>> automatically after a power failure" ticked? If it is then the iMac
>> can be affected by turning off at the mains.
>>
>> Paul C


From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Wed Apr  8 20:33:44 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 20:33:44 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Odd iMac behaviour at start up
Message-ID: <E31D6C82-786A-488B-B8F5-1BF138387C06@zen.co.uk>

My dad has an original Core 2 Duo 2 Ghz iMac.

He has Apple care which expires towards the end of May.

At start up the screen behaves somewhat oddly, either with a quarter  
sized image which then reverts to full size or what I have witnessed,  
a blue screen,  with the dock launching about a quarter way into the  
screen which then snaps to the right hand side and the n the Desktop  
pops up.

This weekend I went down, backed up, wiped the HD reinstalled Leopard  
from a Leopard install disk, installed the apps and brought in  
everything else using migration assistant. Problem is still there.

Any ideas what the problem may be?

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk





From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Thu Apr  9 00:05:25 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2009 00:05:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Odd iMac behaviour at start up
In-Reply-To: <E31D6C82-786A-488B-B8F5-1BF138387C06@zen.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C602EC45.282D7%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

have you reset parameter ram command opt p r at startup?
regards
Brian


Steven Jefferson said recently:

> My dad has an original Core 2 Duo 2 Ghz iMac.
> 
> He has Apple care which expires towards the end of May.
> 
> At start up the screen behaves somewhat oddly, either with a quarter
> sized image which then reverts to full size or what I have witnessed,
> a blue screen,  with the dock launching about a quarter way into the
> screen which then snaps to the right hand side and the n the Desktop
> pops up.
> 
> This weekend I went down, backed up, wiped the HD reinstalled Leopard
> from a Leopard install disk, installed the apps and brought in
> everything else using migration assistant. Problem is still there.
> 
> Any ideas what the problem may be?
> 
> Steven Jefferson
> steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From hidunc at ntlworld.com  Thu Apr  9 11:14:55 2009
From: hidunc at ntlworld.com (J L Duncan Bradford)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 11:14:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Re  Involuntary switch-on
Message-ID: <272BCC80-647E-4AB8-B218-BF207C8D6D0B@ntlworld.com>

My G3 wakes from sleep 9 times out of ten when I switch off my  
bedside lamp which is annoying!  It also comes on occasionally when  
the heating boiler fires up, but this is waking up, not really  
switching on, and I think they all do it.  Something wakes up one at  
work sometimes so it's on when I get in, but one is really dozy and  
always has to be prodded awake.

Dunc



From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk  Thu Apr  9 15:51:15 2009
From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 15:51:15 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Involuntary switching on.
In-Reply-To: <C602428E.28241%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
References: <C602428E.28241%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
Message-ID: <EEDDC185-12AC-4581-88BB-19F19A38B665@themagic.me.uk>

Thanks Brian> I have done as suggested so will see what happens in the  
morning.

Best wishes

Anthony

On 8 Apr 2009, at 12:01, Brian Steere wrote:

> Try checking some such setting to wake.
> Restarting.
> Then resetting to what you desire.
> Just in case the settings themselves are not accurately indicating.
> There will be specific preferences file(s) associated with this. To  
> locate
> and delete this is another method.
> I'd also zap the P-ram.
> all the best
> Brian
>
>
> Anthony Brahams said recently:
>
>> Thanks, Scott. Regret nothing checked in that section.
>> Anthony
>>
>> On 8 Apr 2009, at 11:02, Scott Matthews wrote:
>>
>>> check the settings in system prefs > energy saver > schedule button
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Anthony Brahams
>>> <anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk> wrote:
>>>> My iMac (Intel) still comes on every morning without me switching  
>>>> it
>>>> on. Does not happen at other times but then it has not been off for
>>>> 8-
>>>> 10 hours.
>>>>
>>>> On successive days I have used Techtool DeLuxe, Disk Utility ( to
>>>> repair permissions), Zapped Pram, reset System Management  
>>>> controller.
>>>> When this first started some months ago I believe Paul D said it
>>>> could
>>>> be a serous problem but unfortunately I do not remember the  
>>>> details,
>>>> if I am correct.
>>>>
>>>> I now have Apple Care so will try that route but I am asking here  
>>>> in
>>>> case anyone can help. Previously under the John Lewis warranty the
>>>> local Apple repairers, Byte, replaced the power unit. Later both
>>>> these
>>>> parties said it must be a software problem so would not help.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Anthony
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> :wq
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
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From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Thu Apr  9 21:59:47 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 21:59:47 +0100
Subject: [NMUG]  Odd iMac behaviour at start up
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1239274801.34411.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1.1239274801.34411.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C7AE9536-A269-419E-9D72-6A7653EED11A@gmail.com>

>
>
> This weekend I went down, backed up, wiped the HD reinstalled Leopard
> from a Leopard install disk, installed the apps and brought in
> everything else using migration assistant. Problem is still there.
>
> Any ideas what the problem may be?
>
> Steven Jefferson
> steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk


At the risk of stating the obvious... why are you diagnosing and  
trying to fix a problem when you have AppleCare? That's what it's for!

This could be something serious about to get really serious.. you know  
the way things sometimes start out a little weird, then slowly get  
worse and then suddenly.. bang! In fact, I seem to have relationships  
like that, come to think of it.

My experience has been VERY positive with AppleCare. They sent a  
courier to pick up my machine, fixed it and couriered it back.. all in  
3 days. No charge at all.

May is just around the corner... don't miss out.

From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Thu Apr  9 22:26:42 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2009 22:26:42 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Odd iMac behaviour at start up
In-Reply-To: <C7AE9536-A269-419E-9D72-6A7653EED11A@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1239274801.34411.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<C7AE9536-A269-419E-9D72-6A7653EED11A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <561B9BAE-6D43-4250-AA13-5298A514858A@zen.co.uk>

Yep, I'm planning to get my Dad to check out with another user account  
just in case its preferences and to zap the PRAM.

If nothing improves its off to the Applestore in Cambridge and a  
genius appointment.

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 9 Apr 2009, at 21:59, stefan youngs wrote:

>>
>>
>> This weekend I went down, backed up, wiped the HD reinstalled Leopard
>> from a Leopard install disk, installed the apps and brought in
>> everything else using migration assistant. Problem is still there.
>>
>> Any ideas what the problem may be?
>>
>> Steven Jefferson
>> steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk
>
>
> At the risk of stating the obvious... why are you diagnosing and
> trying to fix a problem when you have AppleCare? That's what it's for!
>
> This could be something serious about to get really serious.. you know
> the way things sometimes start out a little weird, then slowly get
> worse and then suddenly.. bang! In fact, I seem to have relationships
> like that, come to think of it.
>
> My experience has been VERY positive with AppleCare. They sent a
> courier to pick up my machine, fixed it and couriered it back.. all in
> 3 days. No charge at all.
>
> May is just around the corner... don't miss out.
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Apr 10 11:50:41 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 10 Apr 2009 11:50:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] TiBook Batteries
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904101150410.8277@pih-webmail02.plus.net>

Hi

I picked up a TiBook 400Mhz and it came with two batteries.

One battery according to Coconut Battery only has 30% of it original 
capacity.

Current capacity: 1900mAh
Original capacity: 4822mAh

So it is pretty dead. It will hold a charge for a small amount of time.

The second battery according to Coconut Battery has 95% of its original 
capacity.

Current capacity: 4200mAh
Original capacity: 4822mAh

To me that sounds like an almost brand new battery. It only has 327 load 
cycles. However, when I popped it in my TiBook 867Mhz it didn't even get as 
far as booting up fully before it died.

What gives? Is this is a problem with the battery? Is it a problem with my 
TiBook?

Simon

--- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. 
Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Fri Apr 10 12:41:49 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:41:49 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Simon's no charge solution
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1239361201.86631.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1.1239361201.86631.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <012C2745-F17E-4040-83F3-F23BF586D396@gmail.com>




> What gives? Is this is a problem with the battery? Is it a problem  
> with my
> TiBook?
>
> Simon


It's a problem with you!  The Gods of New Macs at Apple are sending  
hexes down on anyone who tinkers with old stuff

Their theme song? 'Gotta pick a new Mac or two, boys' (from 'Oliver")


From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Fri Apr 10 13:52:08 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 13:52:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] TiBook Batteries
In-Reply-To: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904101150410.8277@pih-webmail02.plus.net>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904101150410.8277@pih-webmail02.plus.net>
Message-ID: <2F56E146-CC20-4461-92A6-1720A75FC6AD@zen.co.uk>

Simon,

It might be because it hasn't been used in a while?

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 10 Apr 2009, at 11:50, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> I picked up a TiBook 400Mhz and it came with two batteries.
>
> One battery according to Coconut Battery only has 30% of it original
> capacity.
>
> Current capacity: 1900mAh
> Original capacity: 4822mAh
>
> So it is pretty dead. It will hold a charge for a small amount of  
> time.
>
> The second battery according to Coconut Battery has 95% of its  
> original
> capacity.
>
> Current capacity: 4200mAh
> Original capacity: 4822mAh
>
> To me that sounds like an almost brand new battery. It only has 327  
> load
> cycles. However, when I popped it in my TiBook 867Mhz it didn't even  
> get as
> far as booting up fully before it died.
>
> What gives? Is this is a problem with the battery? Is it a problem  
> with my
> TiBook?
>
> Simon
>
> --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, 80GB HD,  
> SuperDrive.
> Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From ian at igdesign.co.uk  Fri Apr 10 14:47:24 2009
From: ian at igdesign.co.uk (Ian Garrett)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:47:24 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Netblockade
Message-ID: <487D0A3D-D117-4A5A-8F42-7BE51D399433@igdesign.co.uk>

Hi All,

Just recently, various sites which have Flash movies on the home page  
are showing a rectangle labelled Netblockade instead. It happens in  
both Firefox and Safari, and with local copies of the sites on my Mac  
as well as with remote sites. I can't see anything in the Preferences  
for either browser which might relate to this. Anyone else seeing  
this? Any suggestions?

Best wishes,
Ian


From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Fri Apr 10 15:01:06 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:01:06 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Netblockade
In-Reply-To: <487D0A3D-D117-4A5A-8F42-7BE51D399433@igdesign.co.uk>
References: <487D0A3D-D117-4A5A-8F42-7BE51D399433@igdesign.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4E2DCB52-2F3A-4BF9-B0FD-8F43034B403E@virgin.net>


On Apr 10, 2009, at 14:47, Ian Garrett wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Just recently, various sites which have Flash movies on the home page
> are showing a rectangle labelled Netblockade instead. It happens in
> both Firefox and Safari, and with local copies of the sites on my Mac
> as well as with remote sites. I can't see anything in the Preferences
> for either browser which might relate to this. Anyone else seeing
> this? Any suggestions?

Are you running or do you have on your computer "Internet Cleanup"?  
That has caused similar problems for other people.

Paul C


From ian at igdesign.co.uk  Fri Apr 10 16:11:27 2009
From: ian at igdesign.co.uk (Ian Garrett)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:11:27 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Netblockade
In-Reply-To: <4E2DCB52-2F3A-4BF9-B0FD-8F43034B403E@virgin.net>
References: <487D0A3D-D117-4A5A-8F42-7BE51D399433@igdesign.co.uk>
	<4E2DCB52-2F3A-4BF9-B0FD-8F43034B403E@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <6B077BBC-542C-4C07-B7CB-3AF1336205B0@igdesign.co.uk>

Thanks, Paul - that seems to be the problem.

Regards,
Ian


On 10 Apr , at Fri 10 Apr 2009, 03:01:06, Paul Chapman wrote:

>
> On Apr 10, 2009, at 14:47, Ian Garrett wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Just recently, various sites which have Flash movies on the home page
>> are showing a rectangle labelled Netblockade instead. It happens in
>> both Firefox and Safari, and with local copies of the sites on my Mac
>> as well as with remote sites. I can't see anything in the Preferences
>> for either browser which might relate to this. Anyone else seeing
>> this? Any suggestions?
>
> Are you running or do you have on your computer "Internet Cleanup"?
> That has caused similar problems for other people.
>
> Paul C
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Fri Apr 10 16:35:46 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 16:35:46 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Netblockade
In-Reply-To: <6B077BBC-542C-4C07-B7CB-3AF1336205B0@igdesign.co.uk>
References: <487D0A3D-D117-4A5A-8F42-7BE51D399433@igdesign.co.uk>
	<4E2DCB52-2F3A-4BF9-B0FD-8F43034B403E@virgin.net>
	<6B077BBC-542C-4C07-B7CB-3AF1336205B0@igdesign.co.uk>
Message-ID: <96E7D2F0-C967-4644-874B-87349800D4AB@virgin.net>


On Apr 10, 2009, at 16:11, Ian Garrett wrote:

> Thanks, Paul - that seems to be the problem.

Bloomin' heck, you mean I helped!!

So has the problem been fixed or do you need to know what to do?

Paul C



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Apr 10 17:22:57 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:22:57 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] TiBook Batteries
Message-ID: <YXbMyb2Z2ByP.fzGX0G1X@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Steven

I will give it a full charge again. It was fully charged last night but didnt last above a few mins.

Simon

--- visit my Mac site http://www.simonroyal.co.uk or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal' (sent using Nokia E71)

-original message-
Subject: Re: [NMUG] TiBook Batteries
From: Steven Jefferson <steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk>
Date: 10/04/2009 13:52

Simon,

It might be because it hasn't been used in a while?

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 10 Apr 2009, at 11:50, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> I picked up a TiBook 400Mhz and it came with two batteries.
>
> One battery according to Coconut Battery only has 30% of it original
> capacity.
>
> Current capacity: 1900mAh
> Original capacity: 4822mAh
>
> So it is pretty dead. It will hold a charge for a small amount of  
> time.
>
> The second battery according to Coconut Battery has 95% of its  
> original
> capacity.
>
> Current capacity: 4200mAh
> Original capacity: 4822mAh
>
> To me that sounds like an almost brand new battery. It only has 327  
> load
> cycles. However, when I popped it in my TiBook 867Mhz it didn't even  
> get as
> far as booting up fully before it died.
>
> What gives? Is this is a problem with the battery? Is it a problem  
> with my
> TiBook?
>
> Simon
>
> --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, 80GB HD,  
> SuperDrive.
> Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

_______________________________________________
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NMUG at durrant.co.uk
http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Fri Apr 10 18:37:35 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:37:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] TiBook Batteries
In-Reply-To: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904101150410.8277@pih-webmail02.plus.net>
Message-ID: <C605426F.283AF%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

You can try fully charging and then fully discharging a couple of times to
see if that restores any of its capacity.
Whatever the coco report - if it doesn't hold a charge it is not worth a
lot.
all the best
Brian


Simon Royal said recently:

> Hi
> 
> I picked up a TiBook 400Mhz and it came with two batteries.
> 
> One battery according to Coconut Battery only has 30% of it original
> capacity.
> 
> Current capacity: 1900mAh
> Original capacity: 4822mAh
> 
> So it is pretty dead. It will hold a charge for a small amount of time.
> 
> The second battery according to Coconut Battery has 95% of its original
> capacity.
> 
> Current capacity: 4200mAh
> Original capacity: 4822mAh
> 
> To me that sounds like an almost brand new battery. It only has 327 load
> cycles. However, when I popped it in my TiBook 867Mhz it didn't even get as
> far as booting up fully before it died.
> 
> What gives? Is this is a problem with the battery? Is it a problem with my
> TiBook?
> 
> Simon
> 
> --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive.
> Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Apr 10 18:54:58 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:54:58 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] TiBook Batteries
Message-ID: <XptR0YlLWfCm.kkYGjbsK@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Brian

Coconut Battery has never been wrong before. I was surprised when the battery showed up 95% capacity as I was told it was probably dead.

I'm charging it now (after it was completely dead) and I will see what happens once it has charged.

Normally dieing batteries charge quicker, but this has been on charge (with my machine off) for about two hours and is still charging.

Simon

--- visit my Mac site http://www.simonroyal.co.uk or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal' (sent using Nokia E71)

-original message-
Subject: Re: [NMUG] TiBook Batteries
From: Brian Steere <brian at clearlight.uk.net>
Date: 10/04/2009 18:39

You can try fully charging and then fully discharging a couple of times to
see if that restores any of its capacity.
Whatever the coco report - if it doesn't hold a charge it is not worth a
lot.
all the best
Brian


Simon Royal said recently:

> Hi
> 
> I picked up a TiBook 400Mhz and it came with two batteries.
> 
> One battery according to Coconut Battery only has 30% of it original
> capacity.
> 
> Current capacity: 1900mAh
> Original capacity: 4822mAh
> 
> So it is pretty dead. It will hold a charge for a small amount of time.
> 
> The second battery according to Coconut Battery has 95% of its original
> capacity.
> 
> Current capacity: 4200mAh
> Original capacity: 4822mAh
> 
> To me that sounds like an almost brand new battery. It only has 327 load
> cycles. However, when I popped it in my TiBook 867Mhz it didn't even get as
> far as booting up fully before it died.
> 
> What gives? Is this is a problem with the battery? Is it a problem with my
> TiBook?
> 
> Simon
> 
> --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive.
> Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


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From ian at igdesign.co.uk  Fri Apr 10 22:53:28 2009
From: ian at igdesign.co.uk (Ian Garrett)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 22:53:28 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Netblockade
In-Reply-To: <96E7D2F0-C967-4644-874B-87349800D4AB@virgin.net>
References: <487D0A3D-D117-4A5A-8F42-7BE51D399433@igdesign.co.uk>
	<4E2DCB52-2F3A-4BF9-B0FD-8F43034B403E@virgin.net>
	<6B077BBC-542C-4C07-B7CB-3AF1336205B0@igdesign.co.uk>
	<96E7D2F0-C967-4644-874B-87349800D4AB@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <C3961281-7E11-4395-8DCE-D785B964290F@igdesign.co.uk>

You certainly did! The problem is fixed for Safari, and I expect it  
will be for Firefox next time I log out or shut down or something. I  
just trashed the Internet Cleanup and iCleanupMenu files. I expect  
there's a .plist or a preferences file lurking around in my Library,  
so I'll have a look there soon. Is there anything else I should do?

Regards,
Ian




On 10 Apr , at Fri 10 Apr 2009, 04:35:46, Paul Chapman wrote:

>
> On Apr 10, 2009, at 16:11, Ian Garrett wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Paul - that seems to be the problem.
>
> Bloomin' heck, you mean I helped!!
>
> So has the problem been fixed or do you need to know what to do?
>
> Paul C
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From june.perrett at mac.com  Fri Apr 10 17:51:45 2009
From: june.perrett at mac.com (June Perrett)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:51:45 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] SMUG Beginners Session, 22nd April
References: <D39780A6-2B52-4385-A04B-99DABA6C45DF@sidegate.ndo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <F146F022-BA84-487E-99AA-B8B90CF085BD@mac.com>



Begin forwarded message:

I thought I'd post this on the NMUG site in case anyone is interested.

My husband and I are going the Beginners Session and could fit two  
more in the car.

If you need transport perhaps we could pick you up.

Regards
June (Perrett)
01603 505297

> From: Mike Kwasniak <mike at sidegate.ndo.co.uk>
> Date: 9 April 2009 08:19:49 BST
> Subject: Suffolk Mac User Group
>
> Hi Folks
>
> There are still a few spaces left for our
>
> BEGINNERS SESSION - Wednesday 22nd April, 7.00pm
>
> Thank you for your interest in joining us for our 2009 beginners  
> session - an evening devoted to inexperienced mac users,  
> concentrating on the absolute basics - How, why and what you can do  
> with your lovely Mac, and the very basics of the Apple operating  
> system.
>
> Venue will be the school in Great Finborough (near Stowmarket) which  
> is presently being equipped with a suite of twinkly new macs (so you  
> won't need to bring your own machine, but you can play with a whole  
> room full of new ones!). Martin has placed a great map on our web  
> site at www.suffolkmacusergroup.co.uk
>
> Cost: ?10 (including refreshments)
>
> If you haven't already paid and would like to participate, please  
> send your cheque payable to Suffolk Mac User Group to our  
> treasurer:  Monica Barton, 11 Tovells Road, Ipswich, IP4 4DY  
> immediately.
>
> Please make sure you send your payment to reach Monica NO LATER THAN  
> WEDNESDAY 15 APRIL. Payment will not be accepted on the night of the  
> event.
>
> If you have any questions, do drop me a line
>
> All the best
>
> Mike
>



From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Sat Apr 11 00:04:56 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 00:04:56 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Netblockade
In-Reply-To: <C3961281-7E11-4395-8DCE-D785B964290F@igdesign.co.uk>
References: <487D0A3D-D117-4A5A-8F42-7BE51D399433@igdesign.co.uk>
	<4E2DCB52-2F3A-4BF9-B0FD-8F43034B403E@virgin.net>
	<6B077BBC-542C-4C07-B7CB-3AF1336205B0@igdesign.co.uk>
	<96E7D2F0-C967-4644-874B-87349800D4AB@virgin.net>
	<C3961281-7E11-4395-8DCE-D785B964290F@igdesign.co.uk>
Message-ID: <73AC2BBA-F113-4D34-832B-CD1B34E0739D@virgin.net>


On Apr 10, 2009, at 22:53, Ian Garrett wrote:

> You certainly did! The problem is fixed for Safari, and I expect it
> will be for Firefox next time I log out or shut down or something. I
> just trashed the Internet Cleanup and iCleanupMenu files. I expect
> there's a .plist or a preferences file lurking around in my Library,
> so I'll have a look there soon. Is there anything else I should do?

This was what I found, you might not have needed to get rid of the  
program:

Run Internet cleanup prg..Then click on View drop down menu... click  
on NETBLOCKADE ... Unclick on checkmark BLOCK FLASH CONTENT at mid  
bottom of dialog box

Click on APPLY

I don't know the program myself, did it have its uses?

Paul C



From ian at igdesign.co.uk  Sat Apr 11 04:26:33 2009
From: ian at igdesign.co.uk (Ian Garrett)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 04:26:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Netblockade
In-Reply-To: <73AC2BBA-F113-4D34-832B-CD1B34E0739D@virgin.net>
References: <487D0A3D-D117-4A5A-8F42-7BE51D399433@igdesign.co.uk>
	<4E2DCB52-2F3A-4BF9-B0FD-8F43034B403E@virgin.net>
	<6B077BBC-542C-4C07-B7CB-3AF1336205B0@igdesign.co.uk>
	<96E7D2F0-C967-4644-874B-87349800D4AB@virgin.net>
	<C3961281-7E11-4395-8DCE-D785B964290F@igdesign.co.uk>
	<73AC2BBA-F113-4D34-832B-CD1B34E0739D@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <ADA8CD60-9BBE-4DBA-93D4-00E0B66FBF73@igdesign.co.uk>

I got as far as trashing about 10 MB of cache files (none of which  
I've missed so far), but then ran into the Netblockade problem. I've  
kept the .dmg, so perhaps I'll install it again and give it another  
try. I know I have many small files on my hard drive (quite apart from  
the System files) and I've no idea what most of them do, so I had  
hoped that Internet Cleanup would provide information about them  
rather than just a list of files that I might (or might not) want to  
trash.

Regards,
Ian


On 11 Apr , at Sat 11 Apr 2009, 12:04:56, Paul Chapman wrote:

>
> On Apr 10, 2009, at 22:53, Ian Garrett wrote:
>
>> You certainly did! The problem is fixed for Safari, and I expect it
>> will be for Firefox next time I log out or shut down or something. I
>> just trashed the Internet Cleanup and iCleanupMenu files. I expect
>> there's a .plist or a preferences file lurking around in my Library,
>> so I'll have a look there soon. Is there anything else I should do?
>
> This was what I found, you might not have needed to get rid of the
> program:
>
> Run Internet cleanup prg..Then click on View drop down menu... click
> on NETBLOCKADE ... Unclick on checkmark BLOCK FLASH CONTENT at mid
> bottom of dialog box
>
> Click on APPLY
>
> I don't know the program myself, did it have its uses?
>
> Paul C
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From jinshinjewels at googlemail.com  Sat Apr 11 08:42:48 2009
From: jinshinjewels at googlemail.com (Jules Slaughter)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 08:42:48 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] SMUG Beginners Session, 22nd April
In-Reply-To: <F146F022-BA84-487E-99AA-B8B90CF085BD@mac.com>
References: <D39780A6-2B52-4385-A04B-99DABA6C45DF@sidegate.ndo.co.uk>
	<F146F022-BA84-487E-99AA-B8B90CF085BD@mac.com>
Message-ID: <adb0e98a0904110042m1760553bh55b21c03c139d046@mail.gmail.com>

Dear June

I think I would like to go if you can squeeze me in, otherwise perhaps
I could follow in convoy.  I live in Brundall but could come to you.
I would love to know how to make more use of this machine!!

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Regards
Jules Slaughter

ps  I'm a female Jules!



On 4/10/09, June Perrett <june.perrett at mac.com> wrote:
>
>
>  Begin forwarded message:
>
>  I thought I'd post this on the NMUG site in case anyone is interested.
>
>  My husband and I are going the Beginners Session and could fit two
>  more in the car.
>
>  If you need transport perhaps we could pick you up.
>
>  Regards
>  June (Perrett)
>  01603 505297
>
>  > From: Mike Kwasniak <mike at sidegate.ndo.co.uk>
>  > Date: 9 April 2009 08:19:49 BST
>  > Subject: Suffolk Mac User Group
>  >
>  > Hi Folks
>  >
>  > There are still a few spaces left for our
>  >
>  > BEGINNERS SESSION - Wednesday 22nd April, 7.00pm
>  >
>  > Thank you for your interest in joining us for our 2009 beginners
>  > session - an evening devoted to inexperienced mac users,
>  > concentrating on the absolute basics - How, why and what you can do
>  > with your lovely Mac, and the very basics of the Apple operating
>  > system.
>  >
>  > Venue will be the school in Great Finborough (near Stowmarket) which
>  > is presently being equipped with a suite of twinkly new macs (so you
>  > won't need to bring your own machine, but you can play with a whole
>  > room full of new ones!). Martin has placed a great map on our web
>  > site at www.suffolkmacusergroup.co.uk
>  >
>  > Cost: ?10 (including refreshments)
>  >
>  > If you haven't already paid and would like to participate, please
>  > send your cheque payable to Suffolk Mac User Group to our
>  > treasurer:  Monica Barton, 11 Tovells Road, Ipswich, IP4 4DY
>  > immediately.
>  >
>  > Please make sure you send your payment to reach Monica NO LATER THAN
>  > WEDNESDAY 15 APRIL. Payment will not be accepted on the night of the
>  > event.
>  >
>  > If you have any questions, do drop me a line
>  >
>  > All the best
>  >
>  > Mike
>  >
>
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>


-- 
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to improve your health.

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If you like what I do, please tell others.
If not, please tell me.


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat Apr 11 13:24:43 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 11 Apr 2009 13:24:43 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iTunes SPOD & Die
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904111324430.24883@pih-webmail01.plus.net>

Hi

I use iTunes to sort out ID3 tags on MP3s and then I reencode them. I have 
done this for years, and have had no problem.

I just upped my TiBook from 768MB to 1GB of RAM and just installed the 
latest iTunes update. I downloaded an album (a free legit one don't worry), 
dumped it into a playlist and sorted out the title, artist and album 
information.

I started converting it to MP3 and it was going fine, then I forgot I 
hadn't clicked the 'compilation' tick box. So I stopped it, click the 
compilation tick box and restarted the encoding - and thats when I started 
having problems.

I doesn't do anything. iTunes sits there for a few seconds and then the 
SPOD comes up and I have to force quit iTunes. I have tried this a few 
times and it does it everytime.

Any ideas? Is this a RAM problem, although I know the RAM worked fine in 
another TiBook? Is anything to do with the new iTunes?

Simon

--- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. 
Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)





From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat Apr 11 22:47:33 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 11 Apr 2009 22:47:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Titanium Speakers
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904112247330.8875@pih-webmail01.plus.net>

Hi

On another crazy mission, but the sound through my PowerBook G4 is pretty 
good - for a laptop. I just wondered if it is possible to replace the 
internal speakers with anything a little more powerful and bassy?

Simon

--- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. 
Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)





From richardbensley at gmail.com  Sat Apr 11 23:33:04 2009
From: richardbensley at gmail.com (Richard)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 23:33:04 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] final offer G5 Powermac for sale
Message-ID: <a23b60b20904111533j25b92049k907d01e1fab5c73c@mail.gmail.com>

Just a reminder, Dual G5 for sale. I am willing to go as low as 350
GBP for the unit. Specs are as follows:

Dual 2GHz G5
3GB RAM
320GB HDD
Geforce 5200
No Keyboard, No Mouse
OSX 10.4

Cheers
Rich


From h.tamplin at btinternet.com  Sun Apr 12 12:27:41 2009
From: h.tamplin at btinternet.com (Heather Tamplin)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 12:27:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] final offer G5 Powermac for sale
In-Reply-To: <a23b60b20904111533j25b92049k907d01e1fab5c73c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a23b60b20904111533j25b92049k907d01e1fab5c73c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <07C019B8-CA95-497C-A138-1F1E400DE76A@btinternet.com>

Hi Rich,

only just seen this is for sale - I want to get for my daughter -  
will  you want cash - or can I pay credit card - not sure if you are  
a business!

could collect and pay in next couple of weeks - my niece is over from  
Canada and we are off to London wednesday for a few days but I do  
want this please
many thanks

Heather

www.heathertamplin.co.uk

"Art is the only way to run away without leaving home."
Twyla Tharp

On 11 Apr 2009, at 23:33, Richard wrote:

> Just a reminder, Dual G5 for sale. I am willing to go as low as 350
> GBP for the unit. Specs are as follows:
>
> Dual 2GHz G5
> 3GB RAM
> 320GB HDD
> Geforce 5200
> No Keyboard, No Mouse
> OSX 10.4
>
> Cheers
> Rich
> _______________________________________________
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From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Sun Apr 12 13:25:57 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 13:25:57 +0100
Subject: [NMUG]  Titanium Speakers
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1239534001.92230.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1.1239534001.92230.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <64A31650-34C8-4131-BB4E-A7D1938C87B7@gmail.com>



> From: Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Subject: [NMUG] Titanium Speakers
>
> On another crazy mission, but the sound through my PowerBook G4 is  
> pretty
> good - for a laptop. I just wondered if it is possible to replace the
> internal speakers with anything a little more powerful and bassy?

A psychologist writes" "Gott und himmel. Does zis patient never give  
up wiz ze desire to tinker? One day it could make him blind."

I wouldn't do this. Internal response to low frequency vibration is  
unknown and could set up a harmonic that shakes delicate connections  
sufficient to break them over time. (A physicist reminds us " Low  
frequency = longer wavelengths = more movement.")  Apple doesn't slap  
a design together from a catalogue, it looks at issues like this and  
figures out an optimal price/performance solution at the time through  
longterm  testing.

I would go for a wireless connection (Bluetooth dongle?) to a nearby  
hi-fi system.. figure that out and you have a neat solution.

From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Apr 12 14:35:59 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 14:35:59 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Titanium Speakers
Message-ID: <JB1jdgrcL7y4.cXP0dpXK@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Stefan

Interesting idea. It would certainly give a much better sound than anything I could cram into the casing.

I could see if you can get a bluetooth reciever for my stereo so I can use bluetooth as an audio out option.

Or I could hook an iTrip up to my PowerBook and pick up the signal on my stereo.

I think the later would give better audio quality and longer distance.

Simon

--- visit my Mac site http://www.simonroyal.co.uk or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal' (sent using Nokia E71)

-original message-
Subject: [NMUG]  Titanium Speakers
From: stefan youngs <stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com>
Date: 12/04/2009 13:26



> From: Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Subject: [NMUG] Titanium Speakers
>
> On another crazy mission, but the sound through my PowerBook G4 is  
> pretty
> good - for a laptop. I just wondered if it is possible to replace the
> internal speakers with anything a little more powerful and bassy?

A psychologist writes" "Gott und himmel. Does zis patient never give  
up wiz ze desire to tinker? One day it could make him blind."

I wouldn't do this. Internal response to low frequency vibration is  
unknown and could set up a harmonic that shakes delicate connections  
sufficient to break them over time. (A physicist reminds us " Low  
frequency = longer wavelengths = more movement.")  Apple doesn't slap  
a design together from a catalogue, it looks at issues like this and  
figures out an optimal price/performance solution at the time through  
longterm  testing.

I would go for a wireless connection (Bluetooth dongle?) to a nearby  
hi-fi system.. figure that out and you have a neat solution.
_______________________________________________
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Apr 12 18:18:33 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 18:18:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Wireless Audio
Message-ID: <N07jxNsYdTJ2.MWMslxRr@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

This is building on my earlier question and on Stefans advice. So what is the easiest way to get the audio output on my PowerBook to play through my stereo wirelessly.

I was thinking of maybe some kind of bluetooth receiver for my stereo and channel the audio on my PowerBook out through the bluetooth. I did this before with a bluetooth headset, but the quality wasnt great nor the range.

Does anyone know of any such device?

The other option I thought of was maybe attaching an iTrip to my PowerBook and picking it up via my stereo.

Or an Airport Express, but not sure exactly how that works.

Simon

--- visit my Mac site http://www.simonroyal.co.uk or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal' (sent using Nokia E71)



From macman at f2s.com  Sun Apr 12 18:51:54 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 18:51:54 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Involuntary switching on.
In-Reply-To: <EEDDC185-12AC-4581-88BB-19F19A38B665@themagic.me.uk>
References: <C602428E.28241%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
	<EEDDC185-12AC-4581-88BB-19F19A38B665@themagic.me.uk>
Message-ID: <8A496457-C715-48E5-B4AF-B98C1EB04A8E@f2s.com>

Ref this thread ....


I've just heard on a podcast that 10.5.7 is due for release soon, and  
fixes 92 bugs, one of which is a known issue with machines switching  
themselves on for no reason, so perhaps a solution is imminent ....

Robbie


On 9 Apr 2009, at 15:51, Anthony Brahams wrote:




From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sun Apr 12 20:37:44 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:37:44 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Wireless Audio
In-Reply-To: <N07jxNsYdTJ2.MWMslxRr@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <N07jxNsYdTJ2.MWMslxRr@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <A1B726F0-EEF3-471A-8125-2E2807268D91@durrant.co.uk>

Airport express. You set it up as an add-on to your current network,  
and it appears an an audio output on your system - just switch the  
sound output to there. There's some shareware - Airfoil - that lets  
you switch just the output from one particular program, but it's not  
essential.

Paul

On 12 Apr 2009, at 18:18, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi.
>
> This is building on my earlier question and on Stefans advice. So  
> what is the easiest way to get the audio output on my PowerBook to  
> play through my stereo wirelessly.
>
> I was thinking of maybe some kind of bluetooth receiver for my  
> stereo and channel the audio on my PowerBook out through the  
> bluetooth. I did this before with a bluetooth headset, but the  
> quality wasnt great nor the range.
>
> Does anyone know of any such device?
>
> The other option I thought of was maybe attaching an iTrip to my  
> PowerBook and picking it up via my stereo.
>
> Or an Airport Express, but not sure exactly how that works.



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Apr 12 21:00:19 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 12 Apr 2009 21:00:19 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Wireless Audio
In-Reply-To: <A1B726F0-EEF3-471A-8125-2E2807268D91@durrant.co.uk>
References: <N07jxNsYdTJ2.MWMslxRr@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
	<A1B726F0-EEF3-471A-8125-2E2807268D91@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904122100190.16514@pih-webmail02.plus.net>

Paul

And how do you hook it to your stereo?

Simon

--- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. 
Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)



On Apr 12 2009, Paul Durrant wrote:

Airport express. You set it up as an add-on to your current network,  
and it appears an an audio output on your system - just switch the  
sound output to there. There's some shareware - Airfoil - that lets  
you switch just the output from one particular program, but it's not  
essential.

Paul

On 12 Apr 2009, at 18:18, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi.
>
> This is building on my earlier question and on Stefans advice. So  
> what is the easiest way to get the audio output on my PowerBook to  
> play through my stereo wirelessly.
>
> I was thinking of maybe some kind of bluetooth receiver for my  
> stereo and channel the audio on my PowerBook out through the  
> bluetooth. I did this before with a bluetooth headset, but the  
> quality wasnt great nor the range.
>
> Does anyone know of any such device?
>
> The other option I thought of was maybe attaching an iTrip to my  
> PowerBook and picking it up via my stereo.
>
> Or an Airport Express, but not sure exactly how that works.

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From footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Apr 12 21:05:23 2009
From: footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk (joe butler)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:05:23 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NMUG] Wireless Audio
Message-ID: <626066.88444.qm@web26704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Plug it into the AUX input, I have one come and have a play when your in Norwich next.


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--- On Sun, 12/4/09, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:


From: Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [NMUG] Wireless Audio
To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Date: Sunday, 12 April, 2009, 9:00 PM


Paul

And how do you hook it to your stereo?

Simon

--- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. 
Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)



On Apr 12 2009, Paul Durrant wrote:

Airport express. You set it up as an add-on to your current network,? 
and it appears an an audio output on your system - just switch the? 
sound output to there. There's some shareware - Airfoil - that lets? 
you switch just the output from one particular program, but it's not? 
essential.

Paul

On 12 Apr 2009, at 18:18, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi.
>
> This is building on my earlier question and on Stefans advice. So? 
> what is the easiest way to get the audio output on my PowerBook to? 
> play through my stereo wirelessly.
>
> I was thinking of maybe some kind of bluetooth receiver for my? 
> stereo and channel the audio on my PowerBook out through the? 
> bluetooth. I did this before with a bluetooth headset, but the? 
> quality wasnt great nor the range.
>
> Does anyone know of any such device?
>
> The other option I thought of was maybe attaching an iTrip to my? 
> PowerBook and picking it up via my stereo.
>
> Or an Airport Express, but not sure exactly how that works.

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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sun Apr 12 22:28:08 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 22:28:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Wireless Audio
In-Reply-To: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904122100190.16514@pih-webmail02.plus.net>
References: <N07jxNsYdTJ2.MWMslxRr@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
	<A1B726F0-EEF3-471A-8125-2E2807268D91@durrant.co.uk>
	<BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904122100190.16514@pih-webmail02.plus.net>
Message-ID: <920E7B2F-A31B-4BB3-8E3B-1E16F8803201@durrant.co.uk>

3.5mm stereo plug to whatever aux input your stereo has.

Paul

On 12 Apr 2009, at 21:00, Simon Royal wrote:

>
> And how do you hook it to your stereo?
>
>
> On Apr 12 2009, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
> Airport express. You set it up as an add-on to your current network,
> and it appears an an audio output on your system - just switch the
> sound output to there. There's some shareware - Airfoil - that lets
> you switch just the output from one particular program, but it's not
> essential.
>


From Stuartrichards at fastmail.fm  Sun Apr 12 22:30:52 2009
From: Stuartrichards at fastmail.fm (Stuart Richards)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 22:30:52 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Wireless Audio
In-Reply-To: <626066.88444.qm@web26704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <626066.88444.qm@web26704.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C17DE2CA-6AF8-4B11-B1D9-217D5A0B6D7C@fastmail.fm>

Get a 3.5mm jack to 2 rca plug lead (stereo) - jack plug into airport  
express rca plugs into your aux hi-fi.   iTunes will enable you to  
switch between computer and hi-fi.

Stuartrichards at fastmail.fm

On 12 Apr 2009, at 21:05, joe butler wrote:

Plug it into the AUX input, I have one come and have a play when your  
in Norwich next.


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--- On Sun, 12/4/09, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:


From: Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [NMUG] Wireless Audio
To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Date: Sunday, 12 April, 2009, 9:00 PM


Paul

And how do you hook it to your stereo?

Simon

--- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive.
Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)



On Apr 12 2009, Paul Durrant wrote:

Airport express. You set it up as an add-on to your current network,
and it appears an an audio output on your system - just switch the
sound output to there. There's some shareware - Airfoil - that lets
you switch just the output from one particular program, but it's not
essential.

Paul

On 12 Apr 2009, at 18:18, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi.
>
> This is building on my earlier question and on Stefans advice. So
> what is the easiest way to get the audio output on my PowerBook to
> play through my stereo wirelessly.
>
> I was thinking of maybe some kind of bluetooth receiver for my
> stereo and channel the audio on my PowerBook out through the
> bluetooth. I did this before with a bluetooth headset, but the
> quality wasnt great nor the range.
>
> Does anyone know of any such device?
>
> The other option I thought of was maybe attaching an iTrip to my
> PowerBook and picking it up via my stereo.
>
> Or an Airport Express, but not sure exactly how that works.

_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
NMUG at durrant.co.uk
http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


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From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk  Sun Apr 12 22:42:21 2009
From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 22:42:21 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Involuntary switching on.
In-Reply-To: <8A496457-C715-48E5-B4AF-B98C1EB04A8E@f2s.com>
References: <C602428E.28241%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
	<EEDDC185-12AC-4581-88BB-19F19A38B665@themagic.me.uk>
	<8A496457-C715-48E5-B4AF-B98C1EB04A8E@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <5EE6B460-D30F-4049-AA72-61E60FDC99BC@themagic.me.uk>

Thanks. I hope so!! AppleCare did not solve it with their  
recommendations yesterday.
Anthony

On 12 Apr 2009, at 18:51, Robbie Murray wrote:

> Ref this thread ....
>
>
> I've just heard on a podcast that 10.5.7 is due for release soon, and
> fixes 92 bugs, one of which is a known issue with machines switching
> themselves on for no reason, so perhaps a solution is imminent ....
>
> Robbie
>
>
> On 9 Apr 2009, at 15:51, Anthony Brahams wrote:
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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From footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Apr 12 15:10:47 2009
From: footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk (joe butler)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 14:10:47 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NMUG] Titanium Speakers
Message-ID: <248277.40734.qm@web26701.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Airport express would do the trick


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?
Iphone and Ipod Insurance 
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?
?
?
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--- On Sun, 12/4/09, stefan youngs <stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com> wrote:


From: stefan youngs <stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com>
Subject: [NMUG] Titanium Speakers
To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
Date: Sunday, 12 April, 2009, 1:25 PM




> From: Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Subject: [NMUG] Titanium Speakers
>
> On another crazy mission, but the sound through my PowerBook G4 is? 
> pretty
> good - for a laptop. I just wondered if it is possible to replace the
> internal speakers with anything a little more powerful and bassy?

A psychologist writes" "Gott und himmel. Does zis patient never give? 
up wiz ze desire to tinker? One day it could make him blind."

I wouldn't do this. Internal response to low frequency vibration is? 
unknown and could set up a harmonic that shakes delicate connections? 
sufficient to break them over time. (A physicist reminds us " Low? 
frequency = longer wavelengths = more movement.")? Apple doesn't slap? 
a design together from a catalogue, it looks at issues like this and? 
figures out an optimal price/performance solution at the time through? 
longterm? testing.

I would go for a wireless connection (Bluetooth dongle?) to a nearby? 
hi-fi system.. figure that out and you have a neat solution.
_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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From Interjay2 at btinternet.com  Mon Apr 13 09:59:25 2009
From: Interjay2 at btinternet.com (Peter James)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 09:59:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Fw: Re-Offered eMAC for Sale
Message-ID: <F33AC081F0024CA3A9B7880A559B74AD@fujitsu>

Immediately after my original posting, I had an exchange of e-mails from Jon Fowler and his desire to buy the machine.
These e-mails have suddenly stopped and despite my requests for confirmation, Jon remains resolutely silent. Hence I am re-offering it.
Thanks
Peter James

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Peter James 
To: nmug at durrant.co.uk 
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:31 AM
Subject: Offered for Sale


Hi all, this is an eMAC computer with matching apple mouse and keyboard all in glossy white.
Techno stuff is, OS X 10.5.6 with a 1.25Ghz PowerPC G4 Processor. 1GB Sram, 80Gb HDD and a CD/DVD combo drive.
Wishing to upgrade to laptop, hence this sale. First class running order with too many apps. to mention here.
?95 --any trial.

From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Apr 13 13:01:20 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 13 Apr 2009 13:01:20 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Letters Off A Keyboard
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904131301200.7848@pih-webmail01.plus.net>

Hi

I want to remove the white lettering from my TiBook keyboard. Any 
suggestions as to what to use and I don't want to scrape them off.

Simon

--- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. 
Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)





From mghc.repps at virgin.net  Mon Apr 13 13:30:20 2009
From: mghc.repps at virgin.net (Michael Crook)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:30:20 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Letters Off A Keyboard
In-Reply-To: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904131301200.7848@pih-webmail01.plus.net>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904131301200.7848@pih-webmail01.plus.net>
Message-ID: <E7F328AC-7CB8-4A79-BBBD-240F50920131@virgin.net>

Simon.

This sounds like a job for a pressure washer - or perhaps a blow lamp.

- Michael.
13.04.09.


On 13 Apr 2009, at 13:01, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> I want to remove the white lettering from my TiBook keyboard. Any
> suggestions as to what to use and I don't want to scrape them off.
>
> Simon
>
> --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
> SuperDrive.
> Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From ricnev at mac.com  Mon Apr 13 13:58:17 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:58:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Letters Off A Keyboard
In-Reply-To: <E7F328AC-7CB8-4A79-BBBD-240F50920131@virgin.net>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904131301200.7848@pih-webmail01.plus.net>
	<E7F328AC-7CB8-4A79-BBBD-240F50920131@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <7B7221FC-91EE-4339-9321-EEDB49D2CCEF@mac.com>

Nah - Military laser, phosphoric acid and sandblasting might do the  
trick.

Richard.

On 13 Apr 2009, at 13:30, Michael Crook wrote:

> Simon.
>
> This sounds like a job for a pressure washer - or perhaps a blow lamp.
>
> - Michael.
> 13.04.09.
>
>
> On 13 Apr 2009, at 13:01, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I want to remove the white lettering from my TiBook keyboard. Any
>> suggestions as to what to use and I don't want to scrape them off.
>>
>> Simon
>>


From richardivers at mac.com  Mon Apr 13 18:30:39 2009
From: richardivers at mac.com (Richard Ivers)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:30:39 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Wireless Audio
In-Reply-To: <A1B726F0-EEF3-471A-8125-2E2807268D91@durrant.co.uk>
References: <N07jxNsYdTJ2.MWMslxRr@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
	<A1B726F0-EEF3-471A-8125-2E2807268D91@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <F59202F9-3E95-42A4-BEB0-720EF4CAD942@mac.com>


I bought an AirPort Express a few weeks ago to access music on my  
computer (which is upstairs) from my kitchen. I also had to buy a 2.1  
speaker system. I use an app (called Remote) on my iPod touch, this  
allows me to see all my music on my iMac and I can select whatever I  
want. In the bottom right hand side of iTunes u can select Computer  
speakers, AirPort Express speakers or multiple speakers. The system  
works very well apart from the few losses of signal.
Hope this is of help
Richard


From ajf at afco.demon.co.uk  Mon Apr 13 19:22:56 2009
From: ajf at afco.demon.co.uk (Alan Fry)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:22:56 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] G4 Power Book start-up problems
Message-ID: <91653900-75D5-4053-9349-78A78772F3CD@afco.demon.co.uk>

A friend's G4 15" Power Book (about 3 years old I think) suddenly this  
morning failed to boot up. On pressing the power button, the machine  
chimed and the grey screen with the apple logo appeared. At that point  
the process stopped indefinitely.

Resetting the PRAM and the the PMU did nothing to help. It was also  
impossible to boot into 'single-user mode', which ruled out running  
'fsck'.

However the machine booted happily enough from the 'Install System  
CD'.  Somewhat surprisingly Utilities->Disc Repair then found no  
problems and nothing to repair.

Finally I noticed a Menu item 'Utilities->Start Disc...', which I  
never noticed before. Clicking that brought up a dialog with two  
options for 'Restart': the Install CD and the machine's HD. After  
clicking the latter, the machine booted normally and thereafter ran  
perfectly.

So it seems that the cause of the problem was merely that the machine  
had somehow 'lost' the address of its boot volume. That raises several  
questions:
	a) where is the address of the boot volume kept?
	b) what might cause it to be lost?
	c) what, if anything, can be done to stop it happening again?

The only out-of-the-ordinary activity on the computer the day before  
the problem arose was downloading 480MB of iWork '09. Maybe indigestion?

Any advice on this would be gratefully received,

Alan Fry


From ajf at afco.demon.co.uk  Mon Apr 13 19:48:27 2009
From: ajf at afco.demon.co.uk (Alan Fry)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:48:27 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] G4 Power Book start-up problems
In-Reply-To: <91653900-75D5-4053-9349-78A78772F3CD@afco.demon.co.uk>
References: <91653900-75D5-4053-9349-78A78772F3CD@afco.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <F60180E9-3E04-4E36-865A-B2E9ACA9E47A@afco.demon.co.uk>

Further to my earlier email I have just found this on http://www.macosxhints.com/ 
:

"When you start up a Mac holding down the Option key, the boot volume  
menu appears on the screen -- this shows all bootable volumes on the  
screen, making it simple to boot from any volume in your Mac.

You can also, it turns out, set the default boot volume (the volume  
that will boot when you don't hold the Option key down) from this  
screen. To set the default start-up volume, press Control and click on  
an arrow under the volume of your choice. When Control is pressed, the  
upward arrow turns into a circular arrow, denoting the persistence of  
the choice."

So maybe it is just the default setting which has somehow got unset?

Alan Fry

On 13 Apr 2009, at 19:22, Alan Fry wrote:

> A friend's G4 15" Power Book (about 3 years old I think) suddenly this
> morning failed to boot up. On pressing the power button, the machine
> chimed and the grey screen with the apple logo appeared. At that point
> the process stopped indefinitely.
>
> Resetting the PRAM and the the PMU did nothing to help. It was also
> impossible to boot into 'single-user mode', which ruled out running
> 'fsck'.
>
> However the machine booted happily enough from the 'Install System
> CD'.  Somewhat surprisingly Utilities->Disc Repair then found no
> problems and nothing to repair.
>
> Finally I noticed a Menu item 'Utilities->Start Disc...', which I
> never noticed before. Clicking that brought up a dialog with two
> options for 'Restart': the Install CD and the machine's HD. After
> clicking the latter, the machine booted normally and thereafter ran
> perfectly.
>
> So it seems that the cause of the problem was merely that the machine
> had somehow 'lost' the address of its boot volume. That raises several
> questions:
> 	a) where is the address of the boot volume kept?
> 	b) what might cause it to be lost?
> 	c) what, if anything, can be done to stop it happening again?
>
> The only out-of-the-ordinary activity on the computer the day before
> the problem arose was downloading 480MB of iWork '09. Maybe  
> indigestion?
>
> Any advice on this would be gratefully received,
>
> Alan Fry
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Apr 13 23:29:20 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 13 Apr 2009 23:29:20 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] =?iso-8859-1?q?Upgrade_Any_Quark_For_=A3279?=
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904132329200.32074@pih-webmail02.plus.net>

Hi

I saw this on my web travels and thought some of you might be interested.

Upgrade any version of Quark from 3.1 upwards to the latest for only ?279 
and if you have lost your serial don't worry Quark will try and find it for 
you.

http://www.tuaw.com/2009/04/13/update-your-ancient-quark-on-the-cheap/

Simon

--- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. 
Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)





From nathan.crosby at virgin.net  Tue Apr 14 08:25:10 2009
From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:25:10 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Letters Off A Keyboard
In-Reply-To: <7B7221FC-91EE-4339-9321-EEDB49D2CCEF@mac.com>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904131301200.7848@pih-webmail01.plus.net>
	<E7F328AC-7CB8-4A79-BBBD-240F50920131@virgin.net>
	<7B7221FC-91EE-4339-9321-EEDB49D2CCEF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <9FA3B4C3-876E-4907-AEE9-DC6D4BDDAD10@virgin.net>

I've had some success with sulphuric acid.

Nathan


On 13 Apr 2009, at 13:58, Richard Nevill wrote:

> Nah - Military laser, phosphoric acid and sandblasting might do the
> trick.
>
> Richard.
>
> On 13 Apr 2009, at 13:30, Michael Crook wrote:
>
>> Simon.
>>
>> This sounds like a job for a pressure washer - or perhaps a blow  
>> lamp.
>>
>> - Michael.
>> 13.04.09.
>>
>>
>> On 13 Apr 2009, at 13:01, Simon Royal wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I want to remove the white lettering from my TiBook keyboard. Any
>>> suggestions as to what to use and I don't want to scrape them off.
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Tue Apr 14 08:36:42 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:36:42 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Not Letters Off A Keyboard
In-Reply-To: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904131301200.7848@pih-webmail01.plus.net>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904131301200.7848@pih-webmail01.plus.net>
Message-ID: <85A8DD54-7109-450E-8DD2-E3C596F3B83B@virgin.net>

Not sure why Simon wants to remove letters from a keyboard but I would  
like to know about the opposite.

I'm preparing a G4 iBook for sale on eBay and some of the letters have  
rubbed off the keys. Anyone had experience with sticking letters back  
on? Are there number transfers available?

Paul C


From nathan.crosby at virgin.net  Tue Apr 14 08:41:27 2009
From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (Nathan Crosby)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 08:41:27 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Not Letters Off A Keyboard
In-Reply-To: <85A8DD54-7109-450E-8DD2-E3C596F3B83B@virgin.net>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904131301200.7848@pih-webmail01.plus.net>
	<85A8DD54-7109-450E-8DD2-E3C596F3B83B@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <62CF1EB3-6E69-4E17-B0C9-B80EC5B0734E@virgin.net>

Why not swap keyboards with Simon?

Nathan


On 14 Apr 2009, at 08:36, Paul Chapman wrote:

> Not sure why Simon wants to remove letters from a keyboard but I would
> like to know about the opposite.
>
> I'm preparing a G4 iBook for sale on eBay and some of the letters have
> rubbed off the keys. Anyone had experience with sticking letters back
> on? Are there number transfers available?
>
> Paul C
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From munkt0n at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 09:05:56 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:05:56 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Letters Off A Keyboard
In-Reply-To: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904131301200.7848@pih-webmail01.plus.net>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904131301200.7848@pih-webmail01.plus.net>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0904140105o6dbfb8fbg7b89ff93c555b93e@mail.gmail.com>

just buy one of these - http://daskeyboard.com/

On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi
>
> I want to remove the white lettering from my TiBook keyboard. Any
> suggestions as to what to use and I don't want to scrape them off.
>
> Simon
>
> --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive.
> Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



-- 
:wq


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Apr 17 09:19:42 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:19:42 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Letters Off A Keyboard
Message-ID: <WGmDh24lX6vj.Gys45PZl@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Scott

I saw that, kind of inspired me but as ever I'm tight. I bought a spare keyboard for my TiBook for ?4 instead.

Simon

--- visit my Mac site http://www.simonroyal.co.uk or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal' (sent using Nokia E71)

-original message-
Subject: Re: [NMUG] Letters Off A Keyboard
From: Scott Matthews <munkt0n at gmail.com>
Date: 14/04/2009 09:06

just buy one of these - http://daskeyboard.com/

On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi
>
> I want to remove the white lettering from my TiBook keyboard. Any
> suggestions as to what to use and I don't want to scrape them off.
>
> Simon
>
> --- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive.
> Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



-- 
:wq
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From karl.hortt at btinternet.com  Tue Apr 14 09:21:31 2009
From: karl.hortt at btinternet.com (Karl Hortt)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:21:31 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Not Letters Off A Keyboard
In-Reply-To: <85A8DD54-7109-450E-8DD2-E3C596F3B83B@virgin.net>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904131301200.7848@pih-webmail01.plus.net>
	<85A8DD54-7109-450E-8DD2-E3C596F3B83B@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <CFD81485-A998-4383-8516-A3E1753ECF9D@btinternet.com>



Hi Paul,

I was just about to set off to the tip with some stuff, including a  
couple of keyboards from ibooks

let me have your address off list and I will send them to you

regards

Karl





On 14 Apr 2009, at 08:36, Paul Chapman wrote:

> Not sure why Simon wants to remove letters from a keyboard but I would
> like to know about the opposite.
>
> I'm preparing a G4 iBook for sale on eBay and some of the letters have
> rubbed off the keys. Anyone had experience with sticking letters back
> on? Are there number transfers available?
>
> Paul C
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Apr 17 09:20:55 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:20:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Not Letters Off A Keyboard
Message-ID: <yLqdk2JlzFKs.vYqJXH5G@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Paul

Im not really sure why myself, just another crazy mission.

You can buy stick on transfers on eBay though.

Simon

--- visit my Mac site http://www.simonroyal.co.uk or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal' (sent using Nokia E71)

-original message-
Subject: Re: [NMUG] Not Letters Off A Keyboard
From: Paul Chapman <penguin.999 at virgin.net>
Date: 14/04/2009 08:36

Not sure why Simon wants to remove letters from a keyboard but I would  
like to know about the opposite.

I'm preparing a G4 iBook for sale on eBay and some of the letters have  
rubbed off the keys. Anyone had experience with sticking letters back  
on? Are there number transfers available?

Paul C
_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
NMUG at durrant.co.uk
http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Apr 14 16:47:03 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:47:03 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Latest Mod Idea... Black
Message-ID: <9DHCYfxpSjzc.4gWnjBsw@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

I am still insisting on changing the look of my beloved TiBook.

Along with a completely blank black keyboard I was thinking of painting the top (around the keyboard and trackpad) as well as the screen bezel black.

I'd leave the top (the other side of the screen) and the underneath silver. I might also make the Apple glow a black colour.

I'm not sure what I would use to paint it though. I painted an PowerBook G3 once with enamel paint, but not sure about these TiBooks.

Simon

--- visit my Mac site http://www.simonroyal.co.uk or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal' (sent using Nokia E71)



From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Tue Apr 14 23:01:17 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 23:01:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Latest Mod Idea... Black
In-Reply-To: <9DHCYfxpSjzc.4gWnjBsw@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C60AC63D.28739%brian@clearlight.uk.net>




Simon Royal said recently:

> I'd leave the top (the other side of the screen) and the underneath silver. I
> might also make the Apple glow a black colour.

er - isn't that called grey?

Hi Simon.
There's a black spray paint available at wood stove distributors that might
be suitable.
I assume you will have the casing entirely separate from the electical
circuitry when you do this!

all the best
Brian


PS - I think I am the only respondent using Entourage!
Your messages don't allow reply due to malformed addresses and have to
manually edit the send field.




From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Wed Apr 15 14:13:03 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:13:03 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Printer? Print Service?
Message-ID: <C60B9BEF.287B9%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

As a small time printer of my own photo greeting cards I have come to a
place where I need to upgrade my printer or find a flexible print service
willing to do multiple short runs at a price that allows enough margin to
realistically sell on.

If anyone is or knows of a likely service please tell me.
I don't really want to invest so much money in so many thousands of so few
cards that I have to become a marketeer. I am not drawn to pushing the
river!
I just want to enjoy the freedom of sharing on a joy I have in a way that is
at least self sustaining and could organically grow if it was valued by
others.

I know I put something like this out here before but thought to try one more
time before choosing the course I take next.

all the best
Brian




From tomkershaw at mac.com  Wed Apr 15 14:25:56 2009
From: tomkershaw at mac.com (Tom Kershaw)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:25:56 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Printer? Print Service?
In-Reply-To: <C60B9BEF.287B9%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
References: <C60B9BEF.287B9%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
Message-ID: <49E5E064.5060901@mac.com>

Brian,

I would have thought the potential selling price, (?2 verus ?20 makes a 
difference) , and the quality needed would dictate the most appropriate 
option.

Tom.

Brian Steere wrote:

>As a small time printer of my own photo greeting cards I have come to a
>place where I need to upgrade my printer or find a flexible print service
>willing to do multiple short runs at a price that allows enough margin to
>realistically sell on.
>
>If anyone is or knows of a likely service please tell me.
>I don't really want to invest so much money in so many thousands of so few
>cards that I have to become a marketeer. I am not drawn to pushing the
>river!
>I just want to enjoy the freedom of sharing on a joy I have in a way that is
>at least self sustaining and could organically grow if it was valued by
>others.
>
>I know I put something like this out here before but thought to try one more
>time before choosing the course I take next.
>
>all the best
>Brian
>
>
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>  
>



From steve.forst at virgin.net  Wed Apr 15 15:02:43 2009
From: steve.forst at virgin.net (Steve Forster)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:02:43 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Printer? Print Service?
In-Reply-To: <C60B9BEF.287B9%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
Message-ID: <C60BA793.1A3BE%steve.forst@virgin.net>

RCS of Retford www.rcs.plc.uk have lots of varied size runs at quite good
prices ? the prices you?ll see on the site drop by about 30% if you register
as a reseller (easy and no minimum orders).

Depending on how short your runs are try local digital printers, Minute Man
on Ber St and I?ve found Hussey Knights to be competitive for one off large
format (A0 etc) poster printing. There are lots of internet printers with
?set price? deals, some of varying quality but I?ve used 1Click
www.1clickprint.com who were good and Jam Jar www.jamjarprint.co.uk but may
be more poster/flyer orientated. A search will reveal literally hundreds.

When searching for a client I found one in Durham area that specialised in
small run greetings cards ? sorry can?t recall the name.

I always ask local people John at Anglia Print 01502 715551 and sometimes
Mark Hollinger at Hollinger Print 01603 309000 for prices. Neither have ever
let me down with quality or delivery.

Someone will have had a bad experience with almost any printer but from
personal experience of poor service, delivery and average quality I would
avoid Vistaprint btw.

Hope this gives a start to finding what you need.
-- 
Steve Forster




From: Brian Steere <brian at clearlight.uk.net>
Reply-To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:13:03 +0100
To: "nmug durrant.co.uk" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Subject: [NMUG] Printer? Print Service?

As a small time printer of my own photo greeting cards I have come to a
place where I need to upgrade my printer or find a flexible print service
willing to do multiple short runs at a price that allows enough margin to
realistically sell on.

If anyone is or knows of a likely service please tell me.
I don't really want to invest so much money in so many thousands of so few
cards that I have to become a marketeer. I am not drawn to pushing the
river!
I just want to enjoy the freedom of sharing on a joy I have in a way that is
at least self sustaining and could organically grow if it was valued by
others.

I know I put something like this out here before but thought to try one more
time before choosing the course I take next.

all the best
Brian


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From dan_tombs at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 15 15:09:09 2009
From: dan_tombs at hotmail.com (Dan Tombs)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:09:09 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Printer? Print Service? Off Topic
In-Reply-To: <C60BA793.1A3BE%steve.forst@virgin.net>
References: <C60B9BEF.287B9%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
	<C60BA793.1A3BE%steve.forst@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <COL115-W204770CF8C5D339E9175489C7D0@phx.gbl>


I would imagine as Mac users we could all find a reason to avoid Vista Print!
; ) 

sorry terrible pun, just couldn't resist 
Dan 

> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:02:43 +0100
> From: steve.forst at virgin.net
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Printer? Print Service?
> 
> RCS of Retford www.rcs.plc.uk have lots of varied size runs at quite good
> prices ? the prices you?ll see on the site drop by about 30% if you register
> as a reseller (easy and no minimum orders).
> 
> Depending on how short your runs are try local digital printers, Minute Man
> on Ber St and I?ve found Hussey Knights to be competitive for one off large
> format (A0 etc) poster printing. There are lots of internet printers with
> ?set price? deals, some of varying quality but I?ve used 1Click
> www.1clickprint.com who were good and Jam Jar www.jamjarprint.co.uk but may
> be more poster/flyer orientated. A search will reveal literally hundreds.
> 
> When searching for a client I found one in Durham area that specialised in
> small run greetings cards ? sorry can?t recall the name.
> 
> I always ask local people John at Anglia Print 01502 715551 and sometimes
> Mark Hollinger at Hollinger Print 01603 309000 for prices. Neither have ever
> let me down with quality or delivery.
> 
> Someone will have had a bad experience with almost any printer but from
> personal experience of poor service, delivery and average quality I would
> avoid Vistaprint btw.
> 
> Hope this gives a start to finding what you need.
> -- 
> Steve Forster
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Brian Steere <brian at clearlight.uk.net>
> Reply-To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:13:03 +0100
> To: "nmug durrant.co.uk" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Subject: [NMUG] Printer? Print Service?
> 
> As a small time printer of my own photo greeting cards I have come to a
> place where I need to upgrade my printer or find a flexible print service
> willing to do multiple short runs at a price that allows enough margin to
> realistically sell on.
> 
> If anyone is or knows of a likely service please tell me.
> I don't really want to invest so much money in so many thousands of so few
> cards that I have to become a marketeer. I am not drawn to pushing the
> river!
> I just want to enjoy the freedom of sharing on a joy I have in a way that is
> at least self sustaining and could organically grow if it was valued by
> others.
> 
> I know I put something like this out here before but thought to try one more
> time before choosing the course I take next.
> 
> all the best
> Brian
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
> 
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From steve.forst at virgin.net  Wed Apr 15 15:23:35 2009
From: steve.forst at virgin.net (Steve Forster)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:23:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Printer? Print Service? Off Topic
In-Reply-To: <COL115-W204770CF8C5D339E9175489C7D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C60BAC77.1A3C8%steve.forst@virgin.net>

Doesn?t stop us looking out of (or into) windows though.
-- 
Steve Forster

07939 221192



From: Dan Tombs <dan_tombs at hotmail.com>
Reply-To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:09:09 +0100
To: <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [NMUG] Printer? Print Service? Off Topic


I would imagine as Mac users we could all find a reason to avoid Vista
Print!
; ) 

sorry terrible pun, just couldn't resist
Dan 

> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:02:43 +0100
> From: steve.forst at virgin.net
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Printer? Print Service?
> 
> RCS of Retford www.rcs.plc.uk have lots of varied size runs at quite good
> prices ? the prices you?ll see on the site drop by about 30% if you register
> as a reseller (easy and no minimum orders).
> 
> Depending on how short your runs are try local digital printers, Minute Man
> on Ber St and I?ve found Hussey Knights to be competitive for one off large
> format (A0 etc) poster printing. There are lots of internet printers with
> ?set price? deals, some of varying quality but I?ve used 1Click
> www.1clickprint.com who were good and Jam Jar www.jamjarprint.co.uk but may
> be more poster/flyer orientated. A search will reveal literally hundreds.
> 
> When searching for a client I found one in Durham area that specialised in
> small run greetings cards ? sorry can?t recall the name.
> 
> I always ask local people John at Anglia Print 01502 715551 and sometimes
> Mark Hollinger at Hollinger Print 01603 309000 for prices. Neither have ever
> let me down with quality or delivery.
> 
> Someone will have had a bad experience with almost any printer but from
> personal experience of poor service, delivery and average quality I would
> avoid Vistaprint btw.
> 
> Hope this gives a start to finding what you need.
> -- 
> Steve Forster
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Brian Steere <brian at clearlight.uk.net>
> Reply-To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 14:13:03 +0100
> To: "nmug durrant.co.uk" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Subject: [NMUG] Printer? Print Service?
> 
> As a small time printer of my own photo greeting cards I have come to a
> place where I need to upgrade my printer or find a flexible print service
> willing to do multiple short runs at a price that allows enough margin to
> realistically sell on.
> 
> If anyone is or knows of a likely service please tell me.
> I don't really want to invest so much money in so many thousands of so few
> cards that I have to become a marketeer. I am not drawn to pushing the
> river!
> I just want to enjoy the freedom of sharing on a joy I have in a way that is
> at least self sustaining and could organically grow if it was valued by
> others.
> 
> I know I put something like this out here before but thought to try one more
> time before choosing the course I take next.
> 
> all the best
> Brian
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

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From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Wed Apr 15 15:37:18 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:37:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Printer? Print Service?
In-Reply-To: <C60BA793.1A3BE%steve.forst@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <C60BAFAE.287C7%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

I am not trained in print and have always worked in RGB in Photoshop.
Which works well for me for a single side inkjet print that includes the
front photo and rear text. This then folds to A5 or A6.
I've been spoiled or lucky in that the paper and inks I use give good
results (when all is well with the printer) without having to colour manage
my setup. Though I am open to that I might need that or benefit from that if
I got a Pro printer.
Because I sell mostly through personal contacts I am not aiming at the
limited print 'art' market but am essentially interested in the inspiration
that I feel in it and in those who like it. I don't like the idea of pricing
my work high in monetary terms for my current level of activity.
I sell A6 at approx ?1 and A5 at approx ?1.50 with envelope in a cellobag.
I don't know if I would still sell at ?2.50 and ?3.75 - though of course
they would in the appropriate kind of outlet.

While it has been relatively simple - I haven't had great investments of
money into training, stock or marketing - and I have remained in a sense of
freedom to enjoy. rather than manage a business.

In a previous lifetime I ran a craft business that started in a liberating
lifestyle and became a treadmill of diminishing returns. I don't need to
prove anything now - and just want to follow where the currents feel alive.

I'll ring a few printers - those I have emailed have not been interested.
but I feel I will need to print my own as it is unlikely to make business
sense to anyone else to run off small quantities at a time of multiple
items.

Part of my issue is the edge to edge prints fouling up the works over time.
If anyone does this I recommend making the bleed to a minimum setting and if
need be trimming a bit off an edge that doesn't get covered rather than ink
up the works.

But I have had thousands of good prints out of my Canon and much less hassle
than Epsons used to be for me -  so maybe its best to see them as a
disposable item. The makers do - I guess that all their profits are on the
consumables.

There's anew version of Canon Pro printers in May - I'll look to see how
they are received...
Yet meanwhile am tempted anyway to get something like the IP4600 as a
stopgap.

Thanks for the leads

all the best
Brian


Steve Forster said recently:

> RCS of Retford www.rcs.plc.uk have lots of varied size runs at quite good
> prices ? the prices you?ll see on the site drop by about 30% if you register
> as a reseller (easy and no minimum orders).
> 
> Depending on how short your runs are try local digital printers, Minute Man
> on Ber St and I?ve found Hussey Knights to be competitive for one off large
> format (A0 etc) poster printing. There are lots of internet printers with
> ?set price? deals, some of varying quality but I?ve used 1Click
> www.1clickprint.com who were good and Jam Jar www.jamjarprint.co.uk but may
> be more poster/flyer orientated. A search will reveal literally hundreds.
> 
> When searching for a client I found one in Durham area that specialised in
> small run greetings cards ? sorry can?t recall the name.
> 
> I always ask local people John at Anglia Print 01502 715551 and sometimes
> Mark Hollinger at Hollinger Print 01603 309000 for prices. Neither have ever
> let me down with quality or delivery.
> 
> Someone will have had a bad experience with almost any printer but from
> personal experience of poor service, delivery and average quality I would
> avoid Vistaprint btw.
> 
> Hope this gives a start to finding what you need.




From macman at f2s.com  Wed Apr 15 17:09:19 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 17:09:19 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Printer? Print Service?
In-Reply-To: <C60B9BEF.287B9%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
References: <C60B9BEF.287B9%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
Message-ID: <93904B7B-D79F-4F89-A6C5-6841F290D1B9@f2s.com>

Hi Brian

For several years we used Richard Clover for a range of cards we  
commissioned for our Owl Sanctuary.

When I first came across him, he had a unit in Norwich, but now  
operates from a printshop behind his house in Acle.
He's a one man band, and a very nice guy (ex Jarrolds) who specialises  
in Greetings cards, and can add short runs onto the end of other jobs.
The quality is excellent - he publishes his own local and wildlife  
ranges which you will find in shops all around Norfolk.

May well be able to help depending on volume.  He also offers wrapping  
services, or will supply the cellos in bulk at reasonable prices.

Richard Clover Litho
Hermitage Works
71 Old Road
Acle
Norwich
Norfolk
NR13 3QW

Tel: 01493-752121
Business Type: Greeting Cards


On 15 Apr 2009, at 14:13, Brian Steere wrote:

As a small time printer of my own photo greeting cards I have come to a
place where I need to upgrade my printer or find a flexible print  
service
willing to do multiple short runs at a price that allows enough margin  
to
realistically sell on.

If anyone is or knows of a likely service please tell me.
I don't really want to invest so much money in so many thousands of so  
few
cards that I have to become a marketeer. I am not drawn to pushing the
river!
I just want to enjoy the freedom of sharing on a joy I have in a way  
that is
at least self sustaining and could organically grow if it was valued by
others.

I know I put something like this out here before but thought to try  
one more
time before choosing the course I take next.

all the best
Brian


_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
NMUG at durrant.co.uk
http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Apr 15 22:12:33 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 15 Apr 2009 22:12:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Different TiBook Keyboards
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904152212330.7806@pih-webmail02.plus.net>

Hi

I picked up a spare keyboard for my TiBook just in case my latest crazy 
blank keyboard idea goes wrong. But I have discovered it doesn't fit my 
867Mhz TiBook.

It has the same connector, but the cable is too long meaning the keyboard 
sits about an inch further down than it should. So I thought maybe it was 
for the early TiBooks. So I got out my 400Mhz TiBook, but this has a 
totally different connector on it.

So any ideas. Are there three different types of keyboards? How do I know 
which model this will actually fit? Could it be a G3 Pismo keyboard?

The model number on the bottom is: KZ13919QLQCA.

Simon

--- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. 
Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)





From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Apr 16 14:28:08 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 16 Apr 2009 14:28:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Thinking Of Buying An iPhone
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904161428080.20526@pih-webmail02.plus.net>

Hi

I am once again thinking about buying an iPhone. I know they are not the 
most capable machines on the market, but I still keep getting drawn to 
them.

I have a Nokia E71 which does pretty much everything, but I have just 
changed contracts from 3 to Virgin and don't get free MMS or unlimited 
internet - so the iPhone 2G is looking more pleasing.

Anyone got one for sale - preferably already jailbroken?

Simon

--- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. 
Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)





From jinshinjewels at googlemail.com  Thu Apr 16 18:35:24 2009
From: jinshinjewels at googlemail.com (Jules Slaughter)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:35:24 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] SMUG Beginners Session, 22nd April
In-Reply-To: <adb0e98a0904110042m1760553bh55b21c03c139d046@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D39780A6-2B52-4385-A04B-99DABA6C45DF@sidegate.ndo.co.uk>
	<F146F022-BA84-487E-99AA-B8B90CF085BD@mac.com>
	<adb0e98a0904110042m1760553bh55b21c03c139d046@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <adb0e98a0904161035m7f465b8dyce307f8fe1b08184@mail.gmail.com>

Dear June


It seems Cinderella will not go to the ball.  I'm not allowed to go as
2 other people have paid who weren't on the  list and my cheque didn't
arrive in time before theirs.

One day I SHALL learn how Macs work but obviously not with the Suffolk lot/.

Sorry to have missed the chance to meet you.

Have a good time!

Jules





On 4/11/09, Jules Slaughter <jinshinjewels at googlemail.com> wrote:
> Dear June
>
>  I think I would like to go if you can squeeze me in, otherwise perhaps
>  I could follow in convoy.  I live in Brundall but could come to you.
>  I would love to know how to make more use of this machine!!
>
>  Looking forward to hearing from you.
>
>  Regards
>  Jules Slaughter
>
>  ps  I'm a female Jules!
>
>
>
>
>  On 4/10/09, June Perrett <june.perrett at mac.com> wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  >  Begin forwarded message:
>  >
>  >  I thought I'd post this on the NMUG site in case anyone is interested.
>  >
>  >  My husband and I are going the Beginners Session and could fit two
>  >  more in the car.
>  >
>  >  If you need transport perhaps we could pick you up.
>  >
>  >  Regards
>  >  June (Perrett)
>  >  01603 505297
>  >
>  >  > From: Mike Kwasniak <mike at sidegate.ndo.co.uk>
>  >  > Date: 9 April 2009 08:19:49 BST
>  >  > Subject: Suffolk Mac User Group
>  >  >
>  >  > Hi Folks
>  >  >
>  >  > There are still a few spaces left for our
>  >  >
>  >  > BEGINNERS SESSION - Wednesday 22nd April, 7.00pm
>  >  >
>  >  > Thank you for your interest in joining us for our 2009 beginners
>  >  > session - an evening devoted to inexperienced mac users,
>  >  > concentrating on the absolute basics - How, why and what you can do
>  >  > with your lovely Mac, and the very basics of the Apple operating
>  >  > system.
>  >  >
>  >  > Venue will be the school in Great Finborough (near Stowmarket) which
>  >  > is presently being equipped with a suite of twinkly new macs (so you
>  >  > won't need to bring your own machine, but you can play with a whole
>  >  > room full of new ones!). Martin has placed a great map on our web
>  >  > site at www.suffolkmacusergroup.co.uk
>  >  >
>  >  > Cost: ?10 (including refreshments)
>  >  >
>  >  > If you haven't already paid and would like to participate, please
>  >  > send your cheque payable to Suffolk Mac User Group to our
>  >  > treasurer:  Monica Barton, 11 Tovells Road, Ipswich, IP4 4DY
>  >  > immediately.
>  >  >
>  >  > Please make sure you send your payment to reach Monica NO LATER THAN
>  >  > WEDNESDAY 15 APRIL. Payment will not be accepted on the night of the
>  >  > event.
>  >  >
>  >  > If you have any questions, do drop me a line
>  >  >
>  >  > All the best
>  >  >
>  >  > Mike
>  >  >
>  >
>  >  _______________________________________________
>  >  NMUG mailing list
>  >  NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>  >  http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>  >
>
>
>
> --
>  Jules
>
>  CalmClasses & Therapies
>  to improve your health.
>
>  My business works on referrals.
>  If you like what I do, please tell others.
>  If not, please tell me.
>


-- 
Jules

CalmClasses & Therapies
to improve your health.

My business works on referrals.
If you like what I do, please tell others.
If not, please tell me.


From kelvinyoungs at mac.com  Thu Apr 16 18:38:23 2009
From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:38:23 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] SMUG Beginners Session, 22nd April
In-Reply-To: <adb0e98a0904161035m7f465b8dyce307f8fe1b08184@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D39780A6-2B52-4385-A04B-99DABA6C45DF@sidegate.ndo.co.uk>
	<F146F022-BA84-487E-99AA-B8B90CF085BD@mac.com>
	<adb0e98a0904110042m1760553bh55b21c03c139d046@mail.gmail.com>
	<adb0e98a0904161035m7f465b8dyce307f8fe1b08184@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <695D2721-D925-43C1-9E86-400173F00727@mac.com>

Why dont we start a "basic use" course for our group?
We could see what members would like to learn more about and go from  
that?

Kelvin

http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com

On 16 Apr 2009, at 18:35, Jules Slaughter wrote:

> Dear June
>
>
> It seems Cinderella will not go to the ball.  I'm not allowed to go as
> 2 other people have paid who weren't on the  list and my cheque didn't
> arrive in time before theirs.
>
> One day I SHALL learn how Macs work but obviously not with the  
> Suffolk lot/.
>
> Sorry to have missed the chance to meet you.
>
> Have a good time!
>
> Jules
>



From minkennison at mac.com  Thu Apr 16 18:44:30 2009
From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:44:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] SMUG Beginners Session, 22nd April
In-Reply-To: <695D2721-D925-43C1-9E86-400173F00727@mac.com>
References: <D39780A6-2B52-4385-A04B-99DABA6C45DF@sidegate.ndo.co.uk>
	<F146F022-BA84-487E-99AA-B8B90CF085BD@mac.com>
	<adb0e98a0904110042m1760553bh55b21c03c139d046@mail.gmail.com>
	<adb0e98a0904161035m7f465b8dyce307f8fe1b08184@mail.gmail.com>
	<695D2721-D925-43C1-9E86-400173F00727@mac.com>
Message-ID: <179CB00D-83CB-46DA-B4F8-93C565BDD101@mac.com>

An excellent idea.  I'm sure we could use one and we are all eager to  
learn more
Min
On 16 Apr 2009, at 18:3816 Apr 2009, Kelvin Youngs wrote:

> Why dont we start a "basic use" course for our group?
> We could see what members would like to learn more about and go from
> that?
>
> Kelvin
>
> http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com
>
> On 16 Apr 2009, at 18:35, Jules Slaughter wrote:
>
>> Dear June
>>
>>
>> It seems Cinderella will not go to the ball.  I'm not allowed to go  
>> as
>> 2 other people have paid who weren't on the  list and my cheque  
>> didn't
>> arrive in time before theirs.
>>
>> One day I SHALL learn how Macs work but obviously not with the
>> Suffolk lot/.
>>
>> Sorry to have missed the chance to meet you.
>>
>> Have a good time!
>>
>> Jules
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Thu Apr 16 18:45:07 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:45:07 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] SMUG Beginners Session, 22nd April
In-Reply-To: <695D2721-D925-43C1-9E86-400173F00727@mac.com>
References: <D39780A6-2B52-4385-A04B-99DABA6C45DF@sidegate.ndo.co.uk>
	<F146F022-BA84-487E-99AA-B8B90CF085BD@mac.com>
	<adb0e98a0904110042m1760553bh55b21c03c139d046@mail.gmail.com>
	<adb0e98a0904161035m7f465b8dyce307f8fe1b08184@mail.gmail.com>
	<695D2721-D925-43C1-9E86-400173F00727@mac.com>
Message-ID: <A778529B-FF72-4DDB-BC7A-0488DC51A10D@durrant.co.uk>

That sounds like an excellent idea.

Do we have volunteers to organize curriculum, venue, instructors,  
equipment? (I suppose we could ask SMUG what they do?)

Paul

On 16 Apr 2009, at 18:38, Kelvin Youngs wrote:

> Why dont we start a "basic use" course for our group?
> We could see what members would like to learn more about and go from
> that?
>
> Kelvin
>
> http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com
>
> On 16 Apr 2009, at 18:35, Jules Slaughter wrote:
>
>> Dear June
>>
>>
>> It seems Cinderella will not go to the ball.  I'm not allowed to go  
>> as
>> 2 other people have paid who weren't on the  list and my cheque  
>> didn't
>> arrive in time before theirs.
>>
>> One day I SHALL learn how Macs work but obviously not with the
>> Suffolk lot/.
>>
>> Sorry to have missed the chance to meet you.
>>
>> Have a good time!
>>
>> Jules
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



From kelvinyoungs at mac.com  Thu Apr 16 18:46:47 2009
From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:46:47 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] SMUG Beginners Session, 22nd April
In-Reply-To: <A778529B-FF72-4DDB-BC7A-0488DC51A10D@durrant.co.uk>
References: <D39780A6-2B52-4385-A04B-99DABA6C45DF@sidegate.ndo.co.uk>
	<F146F022-BA84-487E-99AA-B8B90CF085BD@mac.com>
	<adb0e98a0904110042m1760553bh55b21c03c139d046@mail.gmail.com>
	<adb0e98a0904161035m7f465b8dyce307f8fe1b08184@mail.gmail.com>
	<695D2721-D925-43C1-9E86-400173F00727@mac.com>
	<A778529B-FF72-4DDB-BC7A-0488DC51A10D@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <74FF8B55-A994-4D7A-8C43-1C144BD47A54@mac.com>

Anyone have a contact with SMUG?

Kelvin
On 16 Apr 2009, at 18:45, Paul Durrant wrote:

> That sounds like an excellent idea.
>
> Do we have volunteers to organize curriculum, venue, instructors,
> equipment? (I suppose we could ask SMUG what they do?)



From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com  Thu Apr 16 18:49:38 2009
From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:49:38 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] SMUG Beginners Session, 22nd April
In-Reply-To: <695D2721-D925-43C1-9E86-400173F00727@mac.com>
References: <D39780A6-2B52-4385-A04B-99DABA6C45DF@sidegate.ndo.co.uk>
	<F146F022-BA84-487E-99AA-B8B90CF085BD@mac.com>
	<adb0e98a0904110042m1760553bh55b21c03c139d046@mail.gmail.com>
	<adb0e98a0904161035m7f465b8dyce307f8fe1b08184@mail.gmail.com>
	<695D2721-D925-43C1-9E86-400173F00727@mac.com>
Message-ID: <9C22BB90-60E6-43AE-8072-D3689E9815BC@gmail.com>

Evening all, in reply to the suggestion that we start our own 'basic  
use' course, I for one would like to put my name down for that  
excellent idea. I just hope enough of we 'newbies' are keen on the  
suggestion.
Richard
rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com



On 16 Apr 2009, at 18:38, Kelvin Youngs wrote:

> Why dont we start a "basic use" course for our group?
> We could see what members would like to learn more about and go from
> that?
>
> Kelvin
>
> http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com
>
> On 16 Apr 2009, at 18:35, Jules Slaughter wrote:
>
>> Dear June
>>
>>
>> It seems Cinderella will not go to the ball.  I'm not allowed to go  
>> as
>> 2 other people have paid who weren't on the  list and my cheque  
>> didn't
>> arrive in time before theirs.
>>
>> One day I SHALL learn how Macs work but obviously not with the
>> Suffolk lot/.
>>
>> Sorry to have missed the chance to meet you.
>>
>> Have a good time!
>>
>> Jules
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com  Thu Apr 16 19:56:10 2009
From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (Simon Bainbridge)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:56:10 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] SMUG Beginners Session, 22nd April
In-Reply-To: <9C22BB90-60E6-43AE-8072-D3689E9815BC@gmail.com>
References: <D39780A6-2B52-4385-A04B-99DABA6C45DF@sidegate.ndo.co.uk>
	<F146F022-BA84-487E-99AA-B8B90CF085BD@mac.com>
	<adb0e98a0904110042m1760553bh55b21c03c139d046@mail.gmail.com>
	<adb0e98a0904161035m7f465b8dyce307f8fe1b08184@mail.gmail.com>
	<695D2721-D925-43C1-9E86-400173F00727@mac.com>
	<9C22BB90-60E6-43AE-8072-D3689E9815BC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2487B694-D58F-45D2-BC5E-22B1420CC201@googlemail.com>

Hi All

You can count me in to share my mac knowledge to.

Simon

On 16 Apr 2009, at 18:49, Richard Stewart wrote:

> Evening all, in reply to the suggestion that we start our own 'basic
> use' course, I for one would like to put my name down for that
> excellent idea. I just hope enough of we 'newbies' are keen on the
> suggestion.
> Richard
> rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com
>
>
>
> On 16 Apr 2009, at 18:38, Kelvin Youngs wrote:
>
>> Why dont we start a "basic use" course for our group?
>> We could see what members would like to learn more about and go from
>> that?
>>
>> Kelvin
>>
>> http://www.aircrewremembrancesociety.com
>>
>> On 16 Apr 2009, at 18:35, Jules Slaughter wrote:
>>
>>> Dear June
>>>
>>>
>>> It seems Cinderella will not go to the ball.  I'm not allowed to go
>>> as
>>> 2 other people have paid who weren't on the  list and my cheque
>>> didn't
>>> arrive in time before theirs.
>>>
>>> One day I SHALL learn how Macs work but obviously not with the
>>> Suffolk lot/.
>>>
>>> Sorry to have missed the chance to meet you.
>>>
>>> Have a good time!
>>>
>>> Jules
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Thu Apr 16 20:23:42 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 20:23:42 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac OS X "botnet"
In-Reply-To: <2487B694-D58F-45D2-BC5E-22B1420CC201@googlemail.com>
References: <D39780A6-2B52-4385-A04B-99DABA6C45DF@sidegate.ndo.co.uk>
	<F146F022-BA84-487E-99AA-B8B90CF085BD@mac.com>
	<adb0e98a0904110042m1760553bh55b21c03c139d046@mail.gmail.com>
	<adb0e98a0904161035m7f465b8dyce307f8fe1b08184@mail.gmail.com>
	<695D2721-D925-43C1-9E86-400173F00727@mac.com>
	<9C22BB90-60E6-43AE-8072-D3689E9815BC@gmail.com>
	<2487B694-D58F-45D2-BC5E-22B1420CC201@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <A520ED1F-AD2A-4653-8BC8-4610D4BF2747@durrant.co.uk>

I just saw a news item at The Register that initially alarmed me,  
headlined "Researchers dissect world's first Mac botnet"

But it's a storm in a teacup, as usual with such alarming stories,  
once you get past the headline.

This "botnet" can't infect new machines. All infected machines were  
infected by someone downloading and installing the software, which was  
hidden in a version of iWorks '09 made illegally available on various  
P2P networks. It appeared in January this year and there's no more  
than 20,000 machines infected - likely far less.

Compare with the Conficker Worm (Windows), which spreads without user  
action, and has somewhere between 1 and 4 million active infections.

Someone, someday, might release a similar worm for Mac OS X. But no- 
one's managed it yet. Until one actually appears, I'm not worrying.

Paul






From ian at igdesign.co.uk  Thu Apr 16 21:41:32 2009
From: ian at igdesign.co.uk (Ian Garrett)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:41:32 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] SMUG Beginners Session, 22nd April
In-Reply-To: <74FF8B55-A994-4D7A-8C43-1C144BD47A54@mac.com>
References: <D39780A6-2B52-4385-A04B-99DABA6C45DF@sidegate.ndo.co.uk>
	<F146F022-BA84-487E-99AA-B8B90CF085BD@mac.com>
	<adb0e98a0904110042m1760553bh55b21c03c139d046@mail.gmail.com>
	<adb0e98a0904161035m7f465b8dyce307f8fe1b08184@mail.gmail.com>
	<695D2721-D925-43C1-9E86-400173F00727@mac.com>
	<A778529B-FF72-4DDB-BC7A-0488DC51A10D@durrant.co.uk>
	<74FF8B55-A994-4D7A-8C43-1C144BD47A54@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F9F0D2AD-CC36-4D4A-8364-9F92D0602AEB@igdesign.co.uk>

I'm a member of SMUG, and I've taught a couple of MacOSX sessions for  
the group, though I'm by no means an expert. For the first session we  
had the luxury of access to a suite of about 10 iMacs at Suffolk  
College. For the second session we were in the more usual venue (St  
Nicholas' Church Hall in Ipswich), people brought their own laptop or  
iMacs and followed along with my demos, which were projected onto a  
large screen from my laptop. The organiser arranged enough extension  
leads for people to plug in their Macs.

You could probably get more in-depth info from the organiser, Mike  
Kwasniak, mike(at)sidegate.ndo.co.uk.

Regards,
Ian



On 16 Apr , at Thu 16 Apr 2009, 06:46:47, Kelvin Youngs wrote:

> Anyone have a contact with SMUG?
>
> Kelvin
> On 16 Apr 2009, at 18:45, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
>> That sounds like an excellent idea.
>>
>> Do we have volunteers to organize curriculum, venue, instructors,
>> equipment? (I suppose we could ask SMUG what they do?)
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From alanbarber at mac.com  Thu Apr 16 22:09:49 2009
From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:09:49 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] SMUG Beginners Session, 22nd April
In-Reply-To: <F9F0D2AD-CC36-4D4A-8364-9F92D0602AEB@igdesign.co.uk>
References: <D39780A6-2B52-4385-A04B-99DABA6C45DF@sidegate.ndo.co.uk>
	<F146F022-BA84-487E-99AA-B8B90CF085BD@mac.com>
	<adb0e98a0904110042m1760553bh55b21c03c139d046@mail.gmail.com>
	<adb0e98a0904161035m7f465b8dyce307f8fe1b08184@mail.gmail.com>
	<695D2721-D925-43C1-9E86-400173F00727@mac.com>
	<A778529B-FF72-4DDB-BC7A-0488DC51A10D@durrant.co.uk>
	<74FF8B55-A994-4D7A-8C43-1C144BD47A54@mac.com>
	<F9F0D2AD-CC36-4D4A-8364-9F92D0602AEB@igdesign.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A5A6962-03D7-48E6-A488-54299698B868@mac.com>

If you want a venue I'm sure St Matthews Church, Telegraph Lane West,  
Norwich,
would be fine and not too expensive.
Large meeting room + 2 smaller ones if separate groups are required.
Ample parking.

Regards

Alan
		

On 16 Apr 2009, at 21:41, Ian Garrett wrote:

> I'm a member of SMUG, and I've taught a couple of MacOSX sessions for
> the group, though I'm by no means an expert. For the first session we
> had the luxury of access to a suite of about 10 iMacs at Suffolk
> College. For the second session we were in the more usual venue (St
> Nicholas' Church Hall in Ipswich), people brought their own laptop or
> iMacs and followed along with my demos, which were projected onto a
> large screen from my laptop. The organiser arranged enough extension
> leads for people to plug in their Macs.
>
> You could probably get more in-depth info from the organiser, Mike
> Kwasniak, mike(at)sidegate.ndo.co.uk.
>
> Regards,
> Ian
>
>
>
> On 16 Apr , at Thu 16 Apr 2009, 06:46:47, Kelvin Youngs wrote:
>
>> Anyone have a contact with SMUG?
>>
>> Kelvin
>> On 16 Apr 2009, at 18:45, Paul Durrant wrote:
>>
>>> That sounds like an excellent idea.
>>>
>>> Do we have volunteers to organize curriculum, venue, instructors,
>>> equipment? (I suppose we could ask SMUG what they do?)
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Apr 16 23:16:39 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 16 Apr 2009 23:16:39 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Blank Black Keyboard
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904162316390.27987@pih-webmail02.plus.net>

Hi

Well it took about 4 hours, some very fine sanding paper and the skin off 
my fingertips, but I finally removed all the lettering from my TiBook 
keyboard.

It actually looks very nice. I am typing this email on it now and to be 
honest - even I was surprised how little you need the letters. I am typing 
as I did before. Your fingers just seem to know where the keys are.

Here are some pictures.

http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/pics/galleries/blank-keyboard/blank1.JPG
http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/pics/galleries/blank-keyboard/blank2.JPG
http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/pics/galleries/blank-keyboard/blank3.JPG
http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/pics/galleries/blank-keyboard/blank4.JPG

I am very happy with it.

Simon


--- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. 
Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)





From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Apr 16 23:19:14 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 16 Apr 2009 23:19:14 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Oops... Picture Links
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904162319140.27987@pih-webmail02.plus.net>

Hi

Here are the correct picture links for my keyboard project.

http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/pics/galleries/blank-keyboard/black1.JPG
http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/pics/galleries/blank-keyboard/black2.JPG
http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/pics/galleries/blank-keyboard/black3.JPG
http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/pics/galleries/blank-keyboard/black4.JPG

Simon

--- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. 
Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)





From kelvinyoungs at mac.com  Thu Apr 16 23:21:17 2009
From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:21:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Oops... Picture Links
In-Reply-To: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904162319140.27987@pih-webmail02.plus.net>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904162319140.27987@pih-webmail02.plus.net>
Message-ID: <9EDCA2C2-C249-40E7-A940-918B73712D70@mac.com>

Sorry Simon I have finally come to the conclusion that you are quite  
mad.

Nice chap, but mad all the same!

Kelvin


From p.hunter at ntlworld.com  Thu Apr 16 23:59:00 2009
From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:59:00 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Oops... Picture Links
In-Reply-To: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904162319140.27987@pih-webmail02.plus.net>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904162319140.27987@pih-webmail02.plus.net>
Message-ID: <3F5C34BF-C79D-4282-ACA6-DC09C619AF4A@ntlworld.com>

Hi Simon,
I'm sorry to say this, but I think you have ruined a perfectly good  
Mac. The keyboard looks horrible, all full of scratches. This must  
have greatly devalued an otherwise worthy piece of kit.
Like Kelvin said, I think you're quite mad.
Peter





From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Fri Apr 17 00:07:46 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 00:07:46 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Blank Black Keyboard
In-Reply-To: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904162316390.27987@pih-webmail02.plus.net>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904162316390.27987@pih-webmail02.plus.net>
Message-ID: <A4BECBA5-3835-46E5-BCF7-8818D3C49D30@virgin.net>


On Apr 16, 2009, at 23:16, Simon Royal wrote:

> It actually looks very nice.

I think we might have a different definition of the word 'nice'. You  
will need to tidy those keys up a bit more, maybe the lighting wasn't  
doing them justice but I would guess they will still need a respray to  
give a better finish. I personally would need all the letters and  
symbols as I have yet to remember them all but I suppose your new look  
could look quite smart and certainly unique.

Oh, I do advise not cleaning the screen with an old dishcloth next time.

Good luck

Paul C



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Apr 17 00:27:29 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 00:27:29 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Oops... Picture Links
Message-ID: <qt2vQrjsz7NB.9m4fkKZz@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Peter

It looks great in the flesh. The pictures make it look very scratched but they are quite smooth.

As for value. It was a keyboard I paid ?3 for and have a spare if I ever decide to sell the machine.

Simon

--- visit my Mac site http://www.simonroyal.co.uk or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal' (sent using Nokia E71)

-original message-
Subject: Re: [NMUG] Oops... Picture Links
From: Peter Hunter <p.hunter at ntlworld.com>
Date: 16/04/2009 23:59

Hi Simon,
I'm sorry to say this, but I think you have ruined a perfectly good  
Mac. The keyboard looks horrible, all full of scratches. This must  
have greatly devalued an otherwise worthy piece of kit.
Like Kelvin said, I think you're quite mad.
Peter



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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Apr 17 00:29:01 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 00:29:01 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Blank Black Keyboard
Message-ID: <55gBVq5l2TMZ.mD0L0kkT@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Paul

Yes the flash seems to shows them very badly, but really they look good.

What is with the dish cloth comment.

Simon

--- visit my Mac site http://www.simonroyal.co.uk or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal' (sent using Nokia E71)

-original message-
Subject: Re: [NMUG] Blank Black Keyboard
From: Paul Chapman <penguin.999 at virgin.net>
Date: 17/04/2009 00:07


On Apr 16, 2009, at 23:16, Simon Royal wrote:

> It actually looks very nice.

I think we might have a different definition of the word 'nice'. You  
will need to tidy those keys up a bit more, maybe the lighting wasn't  
doing them justice but I would guess they will still need a respray to  
give a better finish. I personally would need all the letters and  
symbols as I have yet to remember them all but I suppose your new look  
could look quite smart and certainly unique.

Oh, I do advise not cleaning the screen with an old dishcloth next time.

Good luck

Paul C

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From p.hunter at ntlworld.com  Fri Apr 17 00:38:13 2009
From: p.hunter at ntlworld.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 00:38:13 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Oops... Picture Links
In-Reply-To: <qt2vQrjsz7NB.9m4fkKZz@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <qt2vQrjsz7NB.9m4fkKZz@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <09CBA2AD-D623-45C5-AE18-514AB11B2544@ntlworld.com>

Oh good. If you have a spare decent keyboard then no problem. I agree  
with Paul though, if they were re-lacquered - or whatever it is they  
do to them - then it would like quite unique. I also need to look at  
the keyboard though, I haven't mastered the layout yet.
At the end of the day Simon, it's your computer so you can do as you  
please with it.

Peter

On 17 Apr 2009, at 00:27, Simon Royal wrote:

> Peter
>
> It looks great in the flesh. The pictures make it look very  
> scratched but they are quite smooth.
>
> As for value. It was a keyboard I paid ?3 for and have a spare if I  
> ever decide to sell the machine.
>
> Simon
>
> --- visit my Mac site http://www.simonroyal.co.uk or Skype me on  
> 'Simon-Royal' (sent using Nokia E71)
>
> -original message-
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Oops... Picture Links
> From: Peter Hunter <p.hunter at ntlworld.com>
> Date: 16/04/2009 23:59
>
> Hi Simon,
> I'm sorry to say this, but I think you have ruined a perfectly good
> Mac. The keyboard looks horrible, all full of scratches. This must
> have greatly devalued an otherwise worthy piece of kit.
> Like Kelvin said, I think you're quite mad.
> Peter
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Fri Apr 17 00:44:50 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 00:44:50 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Blank Black Keyboard
In-Reply-To: <55gBVq5l2TMZ.mD0L0kkT@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <55gBVq5l2TMZ.mD0L0kkT@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <A30B3AA3-FE13-42AF-881A-233C3DC8F14C@virgin.net>


On Apr 17, 2009, at 00:29, Simon Royal wrote:
> What is with the dish cloth comment.

The third and fourth pictures show the screen. Maybe it was the  
lighting again but it does look very smeary.

Paul C



From jamesstill at mac.com  Fri Apr 17 07:00:05 2009
From: jamesstill at mac.com (James Still)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 07:00:05 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iMac valuation
Message-ID: <10CB3C5E-4206-4C45-9A24-1BA7E632C3A8@mac.com>

HI all,

Just resubscribed after moving to Diss a couple of years ago.   I was  
just wondering if someone could suggest the value of my iMac.  I know  
apple stuff tends to hold it's value quite well, but the ebay prices  
seem to fluctuate a bit and there aren't many there.

iMac C2D
2.0 Ghz
3gb Ram
160gb HD
17" screen
boxed with remote etc

It's almost 2 years old now and I'm thinking of selling it to get the  
top spec 24" iMac with a nice student discount for being at the OU  
(apparently Apple will do that).

Any opinions appreciated.
Thank you

James



From june.perrett at mac.com  Fri Apr 17 08:01:21 2009
From: june.perrett at mac.com (June Perrett)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:01:21 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] PC will not play video created in iMovie
Message-ID: <CF187F1A-CDDA-47E7-BB21-C5DAD0A0F875@mac.com>

I imported some video film taken with a digital camera (not a  
camcorder) into iMovie and burnt it to a DVD+R DL (dual layer disk)  
but my son's PC is unable to read it.  (The computer instructed me to  
use a dual layer disk as there was too much video to put on the usual  
700 MB CD or DVD- disk.)

I have Leopard, iLife '08 and Roxie Toast (version 6 or 8) on the  
computer.

As I took photographs and video clips with a camera the video clips  
were also imported into iPhoto with .MPG after the video clip number.
It's rather frustrating when I'd like to share a little movie and PC  
owners can't open it.

Has anyone else had this problem? I'd be grateful for some help and  
suggestions.

Many thanks
June

  


From Interjay2 at btinternet.com  Fri Apr 17 08:13:06 2009
From: Interjay2 at btinternet.com (Peter James)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:13:06 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] PC will not play video created in iMovie
References: <CF187F1A-CDDA-47E7-BB21-C5DAD0A0F875@mac.com>
Message-ID: <747E863A3EE9493BBC890C811AA5EE98@fujitsu>

Hi June,
what did you burn the movie as ?
Could it be that the PC's you are trying to play the disc on don't have DVD 
playing software ( Win Media Player will not play all Video files )
I created a movie using iMovie ( an AVI file ) and burned that to Disc which 
plays in all my Windows pc's and laptops ( 4 in total )
PJ

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "June Perrett" <june.perrett at mac.com>
To: <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 8:01 AM
Subject: [NMUG] PC will not play video created in iMovie


>I imported some video film taken with a digital camera (not a
> camcorder) into iMovie and burnt it to a DVD+R DL (dual layer disk)
> but my son's PC is unable to read it.  (The computer instructed me to
> use a dual layer disk as there was too much video to put on the usual
> 700 MB CD or DVD- disk.)
>
> I have Leopard, iLife '08 and Roxie Toast (version 6 or 8) on the
> computer.
>
> As I took photographs and video clips with a camera the video clips
> were also imported into iPhoto with .MPG after the video clip number.
> It's rather frustrating when I'd like to share a little movie and PC
> owners can't open it.
>
> Has anyone else had this problem? I'd be grateful for some help and
> suggestions.
>
> Many thanks
> June
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Fri Apr 17 08:19:08 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 08:19:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iMac valuation
In-Reply-To: <10CB3C5E-4206-4C45-9A24-1BA7E632C3A8@mac.com>
References: <10CB3C5E-4206-4C45-9A24-1BA7E632C3A8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <512C3531-A181-4733-B344-C83753245157@durrant.co.uk>

 From looking at completed auctions, ?400-?500 would be right.

On 17 Apr 2009, at 07:00, James Still wrote:

> HI all,
>
> Just resubscribed after moving to Diss a couple of years ago.   I was
> just wondering if someone could suggest the value of my iMac.  I know
> apple stuff tends to hold it's value quite well, but the ebay prices
> seem to fluctuate a bit and there aren't many there.
>
> iMac C2D
> 2.0 Ghz
> 3gb Ram
> 160gb HD
> 17" screen
> boxed with remote etc
>
> It's almost 2 years old now and I'm thinking of selling it to get the
> top spec 24" iMac with a nice student discount for being at the OU
> (apparently Apple will do that).



From jinshinjewels at googlemail.com  Fri Apr 17 09:19:06 2009
From: jinshinjewels at googlemail.com (Jules Slaughter)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:19:06 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] SMUG Beginners Session, 22nd April
In-Reply-To: <4A5A6962-03D7-48E6-A488-54299698B868@mac.com>
References: <D39780A6-2B52-4385-A04B-99DABA6C45DF@sidegate.ndo.co.uk>
	<F146F022-BA84-487E-99AA-B8B90CF085BD@mac.com>
	<adb0e98a0904110042m1760553bh55b21c03c139d046@mail.gmail.com>
	<adb0e98a0904161035m7f465b8dyce307f8fe1b08184@mail.gmail.com>
	<695D2721-D925-43C1-9E86-400173F00727@mac.com>
	<A778529B-FF72-4DDB-BC7A-0488DC51A10D@durrant.co.uk>
	<74FF8B55-A994-4D7A-8C43-1C144BD47A54@mac.com>
	<F9F0D2AD-CC36-4D4A-8364-9F92D0602AEB@igdesign.co.uk>
	<4A5A6962-03D7-48E6-A488-54299698B868@mac.com>
Message-ID: <adb0e98a0904170119x141d8380uda2add6f26ea54f6@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All

I have an IT teacher who has just seen the light and converted to a
Mac.  Perhaps I can persuade him to teach the beginners like me!

I will ask him and let you know, unless there's someone else out there.


Regards
Jules



On 4/16/09, Alan Barber <alanbarber at mac.com> wrote:
> If you want a venue I'm sure St Matthews Church, Telegraph Lane West,
>  Norwich,
>  would be fine and not too expensive.
>  Large meeting room + 2 smaller ones if separate groups are required.
>  Ample parking.
>
>  Regards
>
>
>  Alan
>
>
>
>  On 16 Apr 2009, at 21:41, Ian Garrett wrote:
>
>  > I'm a member of SMUG, and I've taught a couple of MacOSX sessions for
>  > the group, though I'm by no means an expert. For the first session we
>  > had the luxury of access to a suite of about 10 iMacs at Suffolk
>  > College. For the second session we were in the more usual venue (St
>  > Nicholas' Church Hall in Ipswich), people brought their own laptop or
>  > iMacs and followed along with my demos, which were projected onto a
>  > large screen from my laptop. The organiser arranged enough extension
>  > leads for people to plug in their Macs.
>  >
>  > You could probably get more in-depth info from the organiser, Mike
>  > Kwasniak, mike(at)sidegate.ndo.co.uk.
>  >
>  > Regards,
>  > Ian
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > On 16 Apr , at Thu 16 Apr 2009, 06:46:47, Kelvin Youngs wrote:
>  >
>  >> Anyone have a contact with SMUG?
>  >>
>  >> Kelvin
>  >> On 16 Apr 2009, at 18:45, Paul Durrant wrote:
>  >>
>  >>> That sounds like an excellent idea.
>  >>>
>  >>> Do we have volunteers to organize curriculum, venue, instructors,
>  >>> equipment? (I suppose we could ask SMUG what they do?)
>  >>
>  >> _______________________________________________
>  >> NMUG mailing list
>  >> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>  >> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>  >
>  > _______________________________________________
>  > NMUG mailing list
>  > NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>  > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  NMUG mailing list
>  NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>  http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>


-- 
Jules

CalmClasses & Therapies
to improve your health.

My business works on referrals.
If you like what I do, please tell others.
If not, please tell me.


From munkt0n at gmail.com  Fri Apr 17 09:42:30 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:42:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] PC will not play video created in iMovie
In-Reply-To: <CF187F1A-CDDA-47E7-BB21-C5DAD0A0F875@mac.com>
References: <CF187F1A-CDDA-47E7-BB21-C5DAD0A0F875@mac.com>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0904170142v145780f9x643184285954bff8@mail.gmail.com>

what program did you use to burn the disc? I know 'toast' has an
option for Mac only format CDs & DVDs

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:01 AM, June Perrett <june.perrett at mac.com> wrote:
> I imported some video film taken with a digital camera (not a
> camcorder) into iMovie and burnt it to a DVD+R DL (dual layer disk)
> but my son's PC is unable to read it. ?(The computer instructed me to
> use a dual layer disk as there was too much video to put on the usual
> 700 MB CD or DVD- disk.)
>
> I have Leopard, iLife '08 and Roxie Toast (version 6 or 8) on the
> computer.
>
> As I took photographs and video clips with a camera the video clips
> were also imported into iPhoto with .MPG after the video clip number.
> It's rather frustrating when I'd like to share a little movie and PC
> owners can't open it.
>
> Has anyone else had this problem? I'd be grateful for some help and
> suggestions.
>
> Many thanks
> June
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



-- 
:wq


From june.perrett at mac.com  Fri Apr 17 09:44:25 2009
From: june.perrett at mac.com (June Perrett)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 09:44:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Kevin Allenby to contact June Perrett
Message-ID: <5768F045-4D5D-4431-AB0F-FEBAA49D3612@mac.com>

Mike Kwasniak of SMUG has asked me to pass on directions to the venue  
of the SMUG Beginners Course (22/4/09) to Kevin Allenby.

Please get in touch with me Kevin.  Mike does not have your email  
address.

Regards
June
01603 505297


From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Fri Apr 17 12:31:14 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:31:14 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Somi9n rote on qeys
In-Reply-To: <mailman.231.1239951686.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.231.1239951686.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DE5D35AD-7D6B-429D-A813-933175A0CA21@gmail.com>


On 17 Apr 2009, at 08:01, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:

>
> It actually looks very nice. I am typing this email on it now and to  
> be
> honest - even I was surprised how little you need the letters. I am  
> typing
> as I did before. Your fingers just seem to know where the keys are.


I qwige agrwe.. wo neds the blddt kirs anwot. I am a perfeclu good  
tich tupidt


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Apr 17 12:50:00 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 17 Apr 2009 12:50:00 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Somi9n rote on qeys
In-Reply-To: <DE5D35AD-7D6B-429D-A813-933175A0CA21@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.231.1239951686.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<DE5D35AD-7D6B-429D-A813-933175A0CA21@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904171250000.25950@pih-webmail02.plus.net>

Stefan

Glad you agree...

I mean...

Fkad uoy sfree

Aimpn

--- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. 
Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)



On Apr 17 2009, stefan youngs wrote:


On 17 Apr 2009, at 08:01, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:

>
> It actually looks very nice. I am typing this email on it now and to  
> be
> honest - even I was surprised how little you need the letters. I am  
> typing
> as I did before. Your fingers just seem to know where the keys are.


I qwige agrwe.. wo neds the blddt kirs anwot. I am a perfeclu good  
tich tupidt
_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
NMUG at durrant.co.uk
http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From jamesstill at mac.com  Fri Apr 17 13:13:00 2009
From: jamesstill at mac.com (jamesstill at mac.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:13:00 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iMac valuation
Message-ID: <20090417121327.9055@ld.che.vodafone>

Thanks Paul,

That's quite reassuring as I was hoping to get something in the region of 450.   If anyone would like to make me an offer, please contact me offlist.

James

-----Original Message-----

From:  Paul Durrant <paul at durrant.co.uk>
Subj:  Re: [NMUG] iMac valuation
Date:  Fri 17 Apr 2009 8:19
Size:  786 bytes
To:  Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>

 From looking at completed auctions, ?400-?500 would be right.

On 17 Apr 2009, at 07:00, James Still wrote:

> HI all,
>
> Just resubscribed after moving to Diss a couple of years ago.   I was
> just wondering if someone could suggest the value of my iMac.  I know
> apple stuff tends to hold it's value quite well, but the ebay prices
> seem to fluctuate a bit and there aren't many there.
>
> iMac C2D
> 2.0 Ghz
> 3gb Ram
> 160gb HD
> 17" screen
> boxed with remote etc
>
> It's almost 2 years old now and I'm thinking of selling it to get the
> top spec 24" iMac with a nice student discount for being at the OU
> (apparently Apple will do that).

_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
NMUG at durrant.co.uk
http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From macman at f2s.com  Fri Apr 17 13:15:30 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 13:15:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Somi9n rote on qeys
In-Reply-To: <DE5D35AD-7D6B-429D-A813-933175A0CA21@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.231.1239951686.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<DE5D35AD-7D6B-429D-A813-933175A0CA21@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F62A5965-C390-4101-B992-179A31EBCA0D@f2s.com>

I tried experimenting with using my aluminium keyboard face down.   
Looks very minimalist and beautiful, but the results are a bit  
unpredictable.


On 17 Apr 2009, at 12:31, stefan youngs wrote:

I qwige agrwe.. wo neds the blddt kirs anwot. I am a perfeclu good
tich tupidt




From lizbarnard at btinternet.com  Fri Apr 17 14:03:59 2009
From: lizbarnard at btinternet.com (Liz)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:03:59 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Basic Training on Macs
Message-ID: <C60E3CCF.7477%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>

It?s worth approaching  Norwich Art School who use all Macs.  They have a
Business Manager, Richard Denyer (r.denyer at nsad.ac.uk) who would, I?m sure,
be responsive to a request to lay on courses for NMUG.  The Art School would
charge, though.

The other alternative is Norwich Arts Centre (jenny at norwichartscentre.co.uk)
which has a suite of Macs and already lays on courses in Final Cut and other
stuff.  They might be interested in renting NMUG the suite with a view to
running our own courses.  Again, there?d be a charge ? but both are worth
investigating.

Liz Barnard


From lizbarnard at btinternet.com  Fri Apr 17 14:08:53 2009
From: lizbarnard at btinternet.com (Liz)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:08:53 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Basic Training Course
Message-ID: <C60E3DF5.7479%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>

If you want an outside tutor you could do worse than Paul Unwin, Head of IT
at that private school in Taverham, the name of which escapes me, and a Mac
specialist as well as being a good teacher (punwin at UK2K.com).

Liz Barnard


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Fri Apr 17 15:28:36 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:28:36 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Basic Training Course
In-Reply-To: <C60E3DF5.7479%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>
References: <C60E3DF5.7479%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <EE66625C-E7C6-42B6-B4B0-17C90F45290D@durrant.co.uk>

It's good to see such enthusiasm for the idea.

The first thing that we need, however, is someone (or several  
someones) willing and able to contact the various people and venues,  
and actually make something happen. Any volunteers?

Paul


From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Fri Apr 17 15:29:19 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:29:19 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Basic Training Course
In-Reply-To: <C60E3DF5.7479%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <C60E50CF.28919%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

Asking questions and promoting discussion here could also help.
Ignorance isn't a sin - it is an opportunity for light.

Different folk want different approaches.
So many I meet are protected against learning as they essentially have fear
biased attitudes and approaches and lack of basic trust and orientation.

In so many things - the way we approach it is a major factor to the kind of
experience we meet.
Then there are project driven types who only want to know how to XYZ.
Period. Nothing to the side or around. Just get the job done. Period.

Others don't know yet exactly what it is they will do but enjoy the
exploration that gives rise to ideas that they couldn't have had before they
found out by trying things.

Start the way you mean to carry on. And its never too late to start again!

In some ways it gets simpler as it gets more complex.
But some of the ways that make it seem simple have added complexities.

A lot of kids manage because they don't presume they cant do it - and are
willing to try various ways - they don't imagine that there is a Right or
Wrong way - or assume that every oddness or glitch or failure is a cause for
self judgement - and they acquire navigational skills that tend to help in
any such environment. (Yes they can also be slapdash and fickle).

I sense that Windows is a lot more punishing of trial and exploration than
the Mac.

The most important step is the kind of relational footing you start on.
And this is a now thing. Because we are always proceeding from a presently
held thought assumption - though often unconsciously.

Enjoy the journey!
Brian


Liz said recently:

> If you want an outside tutor you could do worse than Paul Unwin, Head of IT
> at that private school in Taverham, the name of which escapes me, and a Mac
> specialist as well as being a good teacher (punwin at UK2K.com).
> 
> Liz Barnard
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From kelvinyoungs at mac.com  Fri Apr 17 15:34:55 2009
From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:34:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Basic Training Course
In-Reply-To: <EE66625C-E7C6-42B6-B4B0-17C90F45290D@durrant.co.uk>
References: <C60E3DF5.7479%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>
	<EE66625C-E7C6-42B6-B4B0-17C90F45290D@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6AC246E0-C764-487A-B6A4-D3475F73BC29@mac.com>

Well, I think the first thing we need to do is to establish who would  
like it: so people send your names.
Second what do you want to cover: send your requests.

Following that then we can move forward and approach some of the  
people suggested on this forum.

Kelvin




On 17 Apr 2009, at 15:28, Paul Durrant wrote:

> It's good to see such enthusiasm for the idea.
>
> The first thing that we need, however, is someone (or several
> someones) willing and able to contact the various people and venues,
> and actually make something happen. Any volunteers?
>
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From Interjay2 at btinternet.com  Fri Apr 17 15:46:10 2009
From: Interjay2 at btinternet.com (Peter James)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 15:46:10 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Basic Training Course
References: <C60E3DF5.7479%lizbarnard@btinternet.com><EE66625C-E7C6-42B6-B4B0-17C90F45290D@durrant.co.uk>
	<6AC246E0-C764-487A-B6A4-D3475F73BC29@mac.com>
Message-ID: <08D415E785E74B89AFA7D5E511DFF24E@fujitsu>

Peter James
Basic appreciation of MAC software, with a concentration on iMovie.
Thanks,
PJ

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kelvin Youngs" <kelvinyoungs at mac.com>
To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [NMUG] Basic Training Course


> Well, I think the first thing we need to do is to establish who would
> like it: so people send your names.
> Second what do you want to cover: send your requests.
>
> Following that then we can move forward and approach some of the
> people suggested on this forum.
>
> Kelvin
>
>
>
>
> On 17 Apr 2009, at 15:28, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
>> It's good to see such enthusiasm for the idea.
>>
>> The first thing that we need, however, is someone (or several
>> someones) willing and able to contact the various people and venues,
>> and actually make something happen. Any volunteers?
>>
>> Paul
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


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From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk  Fri Apr 17 18:43:18 2009
From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:43:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] NAC
Message-ID: <0318E4AC-FACB-4059-8F14-DAE57273A4FF@freeflightsupplies.co.uk>

Guys

Regarding MAC education take a look at:

http://www.norwichartscentre.co.uk/

There are a number of reasonably priced small group courses available.

Michael Woodhouse
mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk
http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/






From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com  Fri Apr 17 19:31:15 2009
From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:31:15 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Basic Training Course
In-Reply-To: <6AC246E0-C764-487A-B6A4-D3475F73BC29@mac.com>
References: <C60E3DF5.7479%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>
	<EE66625C-E7C6-42B6-B4B0-17C90F45290D@durrant.co.uk>
	<6AC246E0-C764-487A-B6A4-D3475F73BC29@mac.com>
Message-ID: <41A3F08A-8DFA-41A7-9F3E-36F700650B06@gmail.com>

Hi, I'm Richard Stewart and I'd like to put my name down for the  
"basics" course that started this conversation off.
Richard
rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com



On 17 Apr 2009, at 15:34, Kelvin Youngs wrote:

> send your names.



From jinshinjewels at googlemail.com  Fri Apr 17 20:00:16 2009
From: jinshinjewels at googlemail.com (Jules Slaughter)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:00:16 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Basic Training Course
In-Reply-To: <41A3F08A-8DFA-41A7-9F3E-36F700650B06@gmail.com>
References: <C60E3DF5.7479%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>
	<EE66625C-E7C6-42B6-B4B0-17C90F45290D@durrant.co.uk>
	<6AC246E0-C764-487A-B6A4-D3475F73BC29@mac.com>
	<41A3F08A-8DFA-41A7-9F3E-36F700650B06@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <adb0e98a0904171200p2eb92e0bobdf619836a8ae3b3@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there, this is Jules who probably started this off when I couldn't
get on the Suffolk workshop.

I would like to understand what all the lovely icons do and how to
save en masse my photos as I dread the day it crashes and my life is
lost.  I would also like to know if I'm making the best use of iphoto.
 I have Photoshop but it seems too complicated and I'm sure I dont
need it.

I'm sure there is tons I could learn just sitting on any workshop.

Hope it all works out.

regards
Jules



On 4/17/09, Richard Stewart <rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi, I'm Richard Stewart and I'd like to put my name down for the
>  "basics" course that started this conversation off.
>  Richard
>  rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com
>
>
>
>  On 17 Apr 2009, at 15:34, Kelvin Youngs wrote:
>
>  > send your names.
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  NMUG mailing list
>  NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>  http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>


-- 
Jules

CalmClasses & Therapies
to improve your health.

My business works on referrals.
If you like what I do, please tell others.
If not, please tell me.


From kelvinyoungs at mac.com  Fri Apr 17 20:36:13 2009
From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:36:13 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Basic Training Course
In-Reply-To: <adb0e98a0904171200p2eb92e0bobdf619836a8ae3b3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C60E3DF5.7479%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>
	<EE66625C-E7C6-42B6-B4B0-17C90F45290D@durrant.co.uk>
	<6AC246E0-C764-487A-B6A4-D3475F73BC29@mac.com>
	<41A3F08A-8DFA-41A7-9F3E-36F700650B06@gmail.com>
	<adb0e98a0904171200p2eb92e0bobdf619836a8ae3b3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C6C47290-1D0A-4D2F-8952-797E5F654A82@mac.com>

Count me in, although work shifts at the hospital so times maybe  
awkward.

Kelvin Youngs
  Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most!




From djr.massy at ntlworld.com  Fri Apr 17 22:06:24 2009
From: djr.massy at ntlworld.com (DJR Massy)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:06:24 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Basic Training Course
In-Reply-To: <mailman.235.1239993079.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.235.1239993079.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3FF43060-DB5D-417E-A900-0E6528D4576E@ntlworld.com>

Dear Kelvin,

My wife (Simone) and I (Jim) would be interested, but we're different  
levels; she would like help in working the basics of the Finder,  
Spotlight, Safari, Mail, different ways of looking at files (list,  
icons) etc.  I'd like quite a lot of this sort of thing too, but  
also, for example,  detail on advantages of Leopard over Tiger;  
iTunes; Disk Utility; Colorsync - very diverse! - and all the useful  
things which I don't even know exist.

I'm sorry to be so vague, but the field is huge.  Another thing is  
that we wouldn't be able to attend something like this before the  
middle of June.

I think that we must make a charge for any such a course.  It would  
be good if there were course notes to take away.
===================================
On 17 Apr 2009, at 19:31, Kelvin Youngs wrote:

> Well, I think the first thing we need to do is to establish who would
> like it: so people send your names.
> Second what do you want to cover: send your requests.



From Interjay2 at btinternet.com  Fri Apr 17 22:20:35 2009
From: Interjay2 at btinternet.com (Peter James)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:20:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Basic Training Course
References: <mailman.235.1239993079.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<3FF43060-DB5D-417E-A900-0E6528D4576E@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <E989E8AF646A4460B4757F9A78E5722E@fujitsu>

As for charges, I quite agree. After all, how can we expect expert guidance 
for free
Peter J
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "DJR Massy" <djr.massy at ntlworld.com>
To: <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [NMUG] Basic Training Course


> Dear Kelvin,
>
> My wife (Simone) and I (Jim) would be interested, but we're different
> levels; she would like help in working the basics of the Finder,
> Spotlight, Safari, Mail, different ways of looking at files (list,
> icons) etc.  I'd like quite a lot of this sort of thing too, but
> also, for example,  detail on advantages of Leopard over Tiger;
> iTunes; Disk Utility; Colorsync - very diverse! - and all the useful
> things which I don't even know exist.
>
> I'm sorry to be so vague, but the field is huge.  Another thing is
> that we wouldn't be able to attend something like this before the
> middle of June.
>
> I think that we must make a charge for any such a course.  It would
> be good if there were course notes to take away.
> ===================================
> On 17 Apr 2009, at 19:31, Kelvin Youngs wrote:
>
>> Well, I think the first thing we need to do is to establish who would
>> like it: so people send your names.
>> Second what do you want to cover: send your requests.
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Fri Apr 17 22:25:01 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 22:25:01 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] [OT] Digital December - at the Forum
Message-ID: <DD23D1BD-0F6B-4BFB-A91D-7A74CA8F0770@durrant.co.uk>

Norwich University College of the Arts ran an art competition last  
year, "Digital December""
http://www.digitaldecember.org/

My younger son was one of the winners:
http://www.digitaldecember.org/winners.aspx?d=10

(slight on-topic bit: done on a Mac)

All the winning entries are going to be on show at the Forum next week:
http://www.theforumnorwich.co.uk/dynamiccontent/eventspage.php?eventid=13783

Paul


From clokejo at talktalk.net  Sat Apr 18 00:01:46 2009
From: clokejo at talktalk.net (Ivor Cloke)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 00:01:46 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Basic Training Course
Message-ID: <9F0D9F0D-7E1D-4DCE-962A-71DE4DFBC7DD@talktalk.net>

Two candidates from King's Lynn would be interested in basic  
appreciation of Mac software, with a bias towards Photoshop and iMovie.
Thanks, I.C.


From lizbarnard at btinternet.com  Sat Apr 18 00:46:31 2009
From: lizbarnard at btinternet.com (Liz)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 00:46:31 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac Training
Message-ID: <C60ED367.7480%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>

In addition to putting our names down for being trained could I suggest we
put our names down for  training topics we can offer?

Years ago when I worked as a Careers Adviser for the Inner London Education
Authority we used to train each other.  Once a month colleagues would give
presentations or offer teaching sessions on subjects in which they
specialised, or in which they had a particular interest.

It worked very well and was cheap!

So, all you Mac nerds, now?s your opportunity to parade your knowledge, pass
on your expertise, to a truly appreciative audience (except for me, natch,
who has nothing whatsoever to offer, except good spelling, and who will
kneel at your feet in awe).

It looks as though, from the photo, that the Norwich Arts Centre has 7 Macs.

Liz

PS why, when I use an apostrophe, does the NMUG post always turn it into a
question mark? Drives me nuts!


From minkennison at mac.com  Sat Apr 18 12:46:40 2009
From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 12:46:40 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac Training
Message-ID: <4F9A517D-4263-4A08-8FCB-9C40C3B90196@mac.com>

Please count me in.  I would be interested in many topics but would  
love to be able to manage iPhoto libraries.  I always lose bits when I  
try.

Min


From richardivers at mac.com  Sat Apr 18 12:56:34 2009
From: richardivers at mac.com (Richard Ivers)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 12:56:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac Training
In-Reply-To: <4F9A517D-4263-4A08-8FCB-9C40C3B90196@mac.com>
References: <4F9A517D-4263-4A08-8FCB-9C40C3B90196@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1EE2FCCF-A78F-4F71-BCD9-021CBB24D78F@mac.com>


Please count me in also. My main interests iPhoto and Photoshop  
Elements but I'd be interested in all of Leopard topics.

Richard


From wjhurst44 at hotmail.com  Sat Apr 18 15:24:27 2009
From: wjhurst44 at hotmail.com (Jeff Hurst)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 09:24:27 -0500
Subject: [NMUG] Mac Training
In-Reply-To: <1EE2FCCF-A78F-4F71-BCD9-021CBB24D78F@mac.com>
References: <4F9A517D-4263-4A08-8FCB-9C40C3B90196@mac.com>
	<1EE2FCCF-A78F-4F71-BCD9-021CBB24D78F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BAY132-W71864A934D58D88ED0EFCBA780@phx.gbl>


Will it be online or ion site training?jeff

Apple Powerbook G3 "Pismo"  with G4 550 mghz upgrade   100 gig HD   Tiger OSX and OS 9.2



> From: richardivers at mac.com
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 12:56:34 +0100
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Mac Training
> 
> 
> Please count me in also. My main interests iPhoto and Photoshop  
> Elements but I'd be interested in all of Leopard topics.
> 
> Richard
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


From alanbarber at mac.com  Sat Apr 18 17:28:18 2009
From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 17:28:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] setting up a printer
Message-ID: <156669147061220779229060410517526058392-Webmail@me.com>

I am trying to set up a printer on an imac intel.
Its a newish model epson d68.
Imac sees printer put not the document to print
any ideas please
Alan


From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Sat Apr 18 17:49:43 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 17:49:43 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac Training
In-Reply-To: <BAY132-W71864A934D58D88ED0EFCBA780@phx.gbl>
References: <4F9A517D-4263-4A08-8FCB-9C40C3B90196@mac.com>
	<1EE2FCCF-A78F-4F71-BCD9-021CBB24D78F@mac.com>
	<BAY132-W71864A934D58D88ED0EFCBA780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <7a29298a2746f2ee1c23ef8f2d4784d8@virgin.net>

Hi all

I am happy to show how to edit images on photoshop/elements if anyone 
is interested

Martin

www.martinfryphotography.com





> Will it be online or ion site training?jeff
>
> Apple Powerbook G3 "Pismo"  with G4 550 mghz upgrade   100 gig HD   
> Tiger OSX and OS 9.2
>
>>
>>
>> Please count me in also. My main interests iPhoto and Photoshop
>> Elements but I'd be interested in all of Leopard topics.
>>
>> Richard



From alanbarber at mac.com  Sat Apr 18 18:10:33 2009
From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 18:10:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] printer 2
Message-ID: <E3EA23E5-35A6-440A-8FA1-3A4B626ED483@mac.com>

I am trying to set up a printer on an imac intel.
Its a newish model epson d68.
Imac sees printer put not the document to print
In the printer window before the document description it has the word  
stopped
any ideas please
Regards

Alan
		



From nathan.crosby at virgin.net  Sat Apr 18 18:28:31 2009
From: nathan.crosby at virgin.net (nathan crosby)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 18:28:31 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Home key
Message-ID: <E1507284-697E-4E94-BC08-2A9B43C9BDBA@virgin.net>

Can someone please tell me where is the home key.
On my keyboard it is unmarked.

Nathan


From robharrington at mac.com  Sat Apr 18 18:39:55 2009
From: robharrington at mac.com (ROB HARRINGTON)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 18:39:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Home key
In-Reply-To: <E1507284-697E-4E94-BC08-2A9B43C9BDBA@virgin.net>
References: <E1507284-697E-4E94-BC08-2A9B43C9BDBA@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <20823153-6A71-44DC-8D4E-BDF1F2DE8A58@mac.com>

How about  to the right of the big return key - a group of six (help  
and delete marked) - the middle top , an arrow-
  it certainly jumps to the front of a movie edit as  
described...........

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob

On 18 Apr 2009, at 18:28, nathan crosby wrote:

> Can someone please tell me where is the home key.
> On my keyboard it is unmarked.
>
> Nathan
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From munkt0n at gmail.com  Sat Apr 18 19:13:44 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:13:44 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Home key
In-Reply-To: <E1507284-697E-4E94-BC08-2A9B43C9BDBA@virgin.net>
References: <E1507284-697E-4E94-BC08-2A9B43C9BDBA@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0904181113u7a98f71dw9df6108697dd7a2c@mail.gmail.com>

on my MBP it is fn+left cursor



On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 6:28 PM, nathan crosby <nathan.crosby at virgin.net> wrote:
> Can someone please tell me where is the home key.
> On my keyboard it is unmarked.
>
> Nathan
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



-- 
:wq


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sat Apr 18 19:48:26 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:48:26 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] printer 2
In-Reply-To: <E3EA23E5-35A6-440A-8FA1-3A4B626ED483@mac.com>
References: <E3EA23E5-35A6-440A-8FA1-3A4B626ED483@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5D72BC27-C928-4DF2-B9CF-CE4E027130D3@durrant.co.uk>

Sorry Alan, no idea. I've only seen Held. (10.5). Will any of the  
buttons start the print job again?

On 18 Apr 2009, at 18:10, Alan Barber wrote:

> I am trying to set up a printer on an imac intel.
> Its a newish model epson d68.
> Imac sees printer put not the document to print
> In the printer window before the document description it has the word
> stopped
> any ideas please
> Regards
>
> Alan
> 		
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Sat Apr 18 19:53:36 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:53:36 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] printer 2
In-Reply-To: <E3EA23E5-35A6-440A-8FA1-3A4B626ED483@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C60FE040.28A06%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

Just click Resume amongst the options in the Driver toolbar interface.
regards
Brian

Alan Barber said recently:

> I am trying to set up a printer on an imac intel.
> Its a newish model epson d68.
> Imac sees printer put not the document to print
> In the printer window before the document description it has the word
> stopped
> any ideas please
> Regards
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From macman at f2s.com  Sat Apr 18 20:29:10 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 20:29:10 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] printer 2
In-Reply-To: <E3EA23E5-35A6-440A-8FA1-3A4B626ED483@mac.com>
References: <E3EA23E5-35A6-440A-8FA1-3A4B626ED483@mac.com>
Message-ID: <DE7AA47B-7CBA-4D46-B270-98C140350F67@f2s.com>

Can you not see a button in that dialogue box saying 'Resume Printing'?



On 18 Apr 2009, at 18:10, Alan Barber wrote:

I am trying to set up a printer on an imac intel.
Its a newish model epson d68.
Imac sees printer put not the document to print
In the printer window before the document description it has the word
stopped
any ideas please
Regards

Alan
		

_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
NMUG at durrant.co.uk
http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From alanbarber at mac.com  Sat Apr 18 21:23:38 2009
From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 21:23:38 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] printer 2
In-Reply-To: <C60FE040.28A06%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
References: <C60FE040.28A06%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
Message-ID: <26C3B28E-CD74-4CDC-87CB-04997B57AF77@mac.com>

Have tried that but nothing works.

Regards

Alan
		

On 18 Apr 2009, at 19:53, Brian Steere wrote:

> Just click Resume amongst the options in the Driver toolbar interface.
> regards
> Brian
>
> Alan Barber said recently:
>
>> I am trying to set up a printer on an imac intel.
>> Its a newish model epson d68.
>> Imac sees printer put not the document to print
>> In the printer window before the document description it has the word
>> stopped
>> any ideas please
>> Regards
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From bazyoungs at mac.com  Sat Apr 18 22:02:08 2009
From: bazyoungs at mac.com (Barry Youngs)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 22:02:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] printer 2
In-Reply-To: <26C3B28E-CD74-4CDC-87CB-04997B57AF77@mac.com>
References: <C60FE040.28A06%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
	<26C3B28E-CD74-4CDC-87CB-04997B57AF77@mac.com>
Message-ID: <9154B506-8BBB-4767-8187-CAEF03EB0BE9@mac.com>

Alan
This may sound obvious, but have you clicked (Highlighted) the  
document before you click resume?
Barry
On 18 Apr 2009, at 21:23, Alan Barber wrote:

> Have tried that but nothing works.
>
> Regards

  Never argue with an idiot.. They drag you down to their level then  
beat you with experience.



From ehitchins at aol.com  Sat Apr 18 22:49:03 2009
From: ehitchins at aol.com (ehitchins at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 17:49:03 -0400
Subject: [NMUG] re MAc training
Message-ID: <8CB8E86A022CA27-C34-1EE1@webmail-mf09.sysops.aol.com>

I am very interested, please include me


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat Apr 18 23:06:52 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 18 Apr 2009 23:06:52 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] CECT iPhone Clones
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904182306520.16294@pih-webmail02.plus.net>

Hi

I know eBay is full of dubious items a lot of the time, but I was reading 
about these CECT iPhone Clones and checked eBay and there are lots on 
there, mostly from Hong Kong - which is never a good thing.

There are some from people in the UK.

Has anyone seen or used one of these iPhone clones. CECT seems to make a 
lot of 'knock off' models including the iPhone, Nokia N95 and the T-Mobile 
G1.

I've read reviews and watched countless YouTube vids on the CECT P168 
model, but there is also the new CECT M88 model which has accelerometer, 
shake control, wifi and multi-pinch.

Simon

--- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. 
Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)





From michael_smith1 at ymail.com  Sun Apr 19 09:47:05 2009
From: michael_smith1 at ymail.com (michael_smith1 at ymail.com)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 08:47:05 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NMUG] Invalid B-tree node size
Message-ID: <673720.7946.qm@web28209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>


Hi 
My Mac book froze last night needed to use a forced shut down
When re started got the white screen with the question mark folder.
Have tried to use the disks and the disk utility tools.
When trying to repair it states Invalid B-Tree node size 
Volume check failed
?
Any ideas would be appreciated
?
Many thanks
?
Michael
?


      

From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Sun Apr 19 10:18:37 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 10:18:37 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Invalid B-tree node size
In-Reply-To: <673720.7946.qm@web28209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C610AAFD.28A40%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

Hi Michael
If Disk Utility - running from an alternate booot drive or installer DVD -
doesn't ix it then you need to use one of the many Disk Repair DVDs to sort
it.
DiskWarrior
TechTool Deluxe
Drive Genius

or similar.


michael_smith1 at ymail.com said recently:

> 
> Hi 
> My Mac book froze last night needed to use a forced shut down
> When re started got the white screen with the question mark folder.
> Have tried to use the disks and the disk utility tools.
> When trying to repair it states Invalid B-Tree node size
> Volume check failed
> ?
> Any ideas would be appreciated
> ?
> Many thanks
> ?
> Michael
> ?
> 
> 
>       
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From sc at davidviner.com  Sun Apr 19 10:21:03 2009
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 10:21:03 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Invalid B-tree node size
In-Reply-To: <673720.7946.qm@web28209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <673720.7946.qm@web28209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <49EAECFF.3090300@davidviner.com>

Michael

Never seen this myself but lots of people have if you Google for the 
symptoms using:
    "invalid b-tree node size" mac
(enter the above in Google including the quotes)

Basically, your hard disk file structure has screwed itself. This 
solution looks promising if you have a second Mac:
    http://community.livejournal.com/computerhelp/1402893.html

There are also discussions about the problem on the Apple and MacWorld 
sites:
    http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=7232569
    http://forums.macworld.com/thread/96582

Hope that helps.

David

michael_smith1 at ymail.com wrote:
> Hi 
> My Mac book froze last night needed to use a forced shut down
> When re started got the white screen with the question mark folder.
> Have tried to use the disks and the disk utility tools.
> When trying to repair it states Invalid B-Tree node size 
> Volume check failed
>  
> Any ideas would be appreciated
>  
> Many thanks
>  
> Michael
>  
>
>
>       
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From munkt0n at gmail.com  Sun Apr 19 10:22:14 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 10:22:14 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Invalid B-tree node size
In-Reply-To: <673720.7946.qm@web28209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <673720.7946.qm@web28209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0904190222xf63664di8d322f3a30c9f05f@mail.gmail.com>

try this

1 Hold down Command-S while you turn on
your Mac. You should see a black screen
with white text. Don?t panic.
2 At the prompt type: fsck -fy
3 Press return. If you receive the message
?File System was Modified,? repeat step 2
until it says ?No problems were found.?
3 Type reboot and hit return.


On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 9:47 AM,  <michael_smith1 at ymail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi
> My Mac book froze last night needed to use a forced shut down
> When re started got the white screen with the question mark folder.
> Have tried to use the disks and the disk utility tools.
> When trying to repair it states Invalid B-Tree node size
> Volume check failed
>
> Any ideas would be appreciated
>
> Many thanks
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



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From macman at f2s.com  Sun Apr 19 10:23:12 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 10:23:12 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Invalid B-tree node size
In-Reply-To: <673720.7946.qm@web28209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <673720.7946.qm@web28209.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7AE1EAF3-F96B-4E42-9FFA-792AB6D559F8@f2s.com>

Have you tried

1. Booting in Safe mode?  (hold down shift key while booting - takes  
forever .....)

2.  Booting into single user mode (hold command-s) and run fsck


See

http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1417


On 19 Apr 2009, at 09:47, michael_smith1 at ymail.com wrote:


Hi
My Mac book froze last night needed to use a forced shut down
When re started got the white screen with the question mark folder.
Have tried to use the disks and the disk utility tools.
When trying to repair it states Invalid B-Tree node size
Volume check failed

Any ideas would be appreciated

Many thanks

Michael




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From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Sun Apr 19 11:06:35 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 11:06:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] April meeting - remember the new venue
Message-ID: <92928A28-C217-4399-992E-9F86E4E5CB94@virgin.net>

The next meeting will be on the 22nd April 2009 that being the fourth  
Wednesday of the month. It will be held at The Quebec in a separate  
room from the bar and will be from 7.30.

Quebec
93-97 Quebec Road
Norwich
NR1 4HY

Here is a link to a map showing that it's not that far from the  
previous two venues.

<http://www.ukpubfinder.com/pub/21675>

I appear to have caught a nasty cough, sore throat and aches so might  
not make it to the meeting.

Have fun,

Paul C


From karl.hortt at btinternet.com  Sun Apr 19 15:08:29 2009
From: karl.hortt at btinternet.com (Karl Hortt)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:08:29 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] skype on Iphone
Message-ID: <7DA6F0FD-F019-4215-BF3B-517CC9311A5F@btinternet.com>


Hi All,

Does anyone have experience of using this from an iphone

I have to go to the USA in a few weeks and want a cheaper way to ring  
home

O2's call charges are really awful !!!

I tried setting up Fring, but it would not see my Skype account

now running skype on home computer and on iphone and I can make a  
connection either way

Is this the best way ? other programs or systems


regards

Karl


From david.tillyer at googlemail.com  Sun Apr 19 15:30:46 2009
From: david.tillyer at googlemail.com (David Tillyer)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:30:46 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] skype on Iphone
In-Reply-To: <7DA6F0FD-F019-4215-BF3B-517CC9311A5F@btinternet.com>
References: <7DA6F0FD-F019-4215-BF3B-517CC9311A5F@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <f8880ecc0904190730h26d8d05xa4c7f99f6bf9b42f@mail.gmail.com>

Mine runs fine, Only tried it with my mate in the same building but we were
both on iPhones and it was just ilke a normal call.

2009/4/19 Karl Hortt <karl.hortt at btinternet.com>

>
> Hi All,
>
> Does anyone have experience of using this from an iphone
>
> I have to go to the USA in a few weeks and want a cheaper way to ring
> home
>
> O2's call charges are really awful !!!
>
> I tried setting up Fring, but it would not see my Skype account
>
> now running skype on home computer and on iphone and I can make a
> connection either way
>
> Is this the best way ? other programs or systems
>
>
> regards
>
> Karl
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



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http://www.davidthephotographer.co.uk

http://davidthephotographer.blogspot.com/


From june.perrett at mac.com  Sun Apr 19 16:09:09 2009
From: june.perrett at mac.com (June Perrett)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:09:09 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Basic Training Course
Message-ID: <80A7BB54-93A8-4D9B-A41E-733442DA3DB1@mac.com>

I would like to attend courses organised by NMUG and am interested in  
photoshop, video editing, website design, garageband, and learning  
more about the features of Leopard.

Liz is right - only 7 iMacs at NAC, one of which is used by the tutor.  
His computer is linked to a big screen on the wall so the students can  
see what's on his monitor as he explains things.

I'd like to mention St Albans Church Hall in Grove Walk near City  
College. It's a medium size hall with parking for about 12 cars. You  
can also park in Eleanor Rd and other roads close by - but check for  
'Resident Only' signs.

The hall is available on the 4th Wednesday (evenings) of each month  
(except September '09) and the charge is ?12 per hour.

The hall has  5-6 power points, heating, florescent lighting, plenty  
of chairs & tables (latter stored under the stage - bit of a bother  
getting them out), curtains at windows should you want to darken the  
room, kitchen, toilets and a small committee room upstairs. The wall  
at the back of the stage is white and may be suitable as a screen for  
projecting images on.   If you'd like to see the hall get in touch  
with me.

Caretaker: Mr K. Hilder. Tel: 01603 622373

Regards
June
01603 505297




From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Sun Apr 19 17:50:55 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 17:50:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Apple Knock Offs
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1240138801.70218.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1.1240138801.70218.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1AF5FA12-ACC2-45B7-8AC1-F901F664BFF6@gmail.com>


On 19 Apr 2009, at 12:00, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:

> I know eBay is full of dubious items a lot of the time, but I was  
> reading
> about these CECT iPhone Clones and checked eBay and there are lots on
> there, mostly from Hong Kong - which is never a good thing.


I am personally disinterested in Apple knock-offs. Invariably these  
have proven to be crappy quality, shortlived and whatever you thought  
you 'saved' disappears by a factor of X when the thing flakes out on  
you and the supplier disappears.

When I bought a Porsche I could have gotten a Mazda sportster (in fact  
I could have bought 4 of them), but I wanted a Porsche, just as I want  
Apple. I didn't buy Apple to save money on the products, and I'm happy  
to go along with their product line which has proven since 1981 never  
to have let me down. I appreciate the quality of the design and build  
and I'm happy to pay extra for that.

That's my 2 cents (or if you're talking Apple, my 3 cents).


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Apr 19 18:10:14 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 19 Apr 2009 18:10:14 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Apple Knock Offs
In-Reply-To: <1AF5FA12-ACC2-45B7-8AC1-F901F664BFF6@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1240138801.70218.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<1AF5FA12-ACC2-45B7-8AC1-F901F664BFF6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0904191810140.25045@pih-webmail01.plus.net>

Stefan

In general I would agree with you. I wouldn't buy a PeeCee laptop and run 
OSX on it (although I have considered it)

However, these CECT knock offs are selling for under ?50 whereas you would 
be lucky to get a 2G iPhone for under ?150 - even on eBay.

Also, they are unlocked to any network, MMS capable and have proper 
bluetooth and don't come with a two year contract.

I love the idea of an iPhone, but Apple have crippled quite standard 
features on other mobile phones.

Simon

--- Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on 
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD, SuperDrive. 
Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)



On Apr 19 2009, stefan youngs wrote:


On 19 Apr 2009, at 12:00, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:

> I know eBay is full of dubious items a lot of the time, but I was  
> reading
> about these CECT iPhone Clones and checked eBay and there are lots on
> there, mostly from Hong Kong - which is never a good thing.


I am personally disinterested in Apple knock-offs. Invariably these  
have proven to be crappy quality, shortlived and whatever you thought  
you 'saved' disappears by a factor of X when the thing flakes out on  
you and the supplier disappears.

When I bought a Porsche I could have gotten a Mazda sportster (in fact  
I could have bought 4 of them), but I wanted a Porsche, just as I want  
Apple. I didn't buy Apple to save money on the products, and I'm happy  
to go along with their product line which has proven since 1981 never  
to have let me down. I appreciate the quality of the design and build  
and I'm happy to pay extra for that.

That's my 2 cents (or if you're talking Apple, my 3 cents).
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From alanbarber at mac.com  Sun Apr 19 19:02:01 2009
From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 19:02:01 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] imac help
Message-ID: <BC511D54-F345-40B9-ADF3-84A3455E175B@mac.com>

You will recall I needed help with an imac printer.

Could I say a public thank you to Robbie for his help today in setting  
up the printer
for my neighbour who is a new mac user.
We needed to download a Gutenprint driver and everything is now fine.

Not only is she impressed with her 3rd hand imac she is amazed at the  
help
the mac community offer each other and she would love to go to any  
classes that are set up.

Regards

Alan
		



From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Sun Apr 19 21:45:33 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 21:45:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Two Times
Message-ID: <16B20596-107E-446F-8224-AEBC63C22589@gmail.com>

I have a second screen attached to my main MacBook because I use so  
many open docs in my work and have to manipulate between them often.  
However, I haven't had the other screen attached for a while owing to  
a rearrangement  of mr workspace and my capacity for procrastination.

I'm in the habit of using Screen Sharing from a second MacBook in my  
bedroom.

Just reconnected my second screen and popped up to see how Screen  
Sharing works.

To my amazement it presents BOTH screens. Or you can switch between  
the 2. What a company! Thankyou Apple!


From macman at f2s.com  Sun Apr 19 22:55:39 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 22:55:39 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Two Times
In-Reply-To: <16B20596-107E-446F-8224-AEBC63C22589@gmail.com>
References: <16B20596-107E-446F-8224-AEBC63C22589@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <28948E30-E57D-43EC-B46F-3ED4E292B53D@f2s.com>

Slightly different subject, but I had a surprise last week when trying  
to explain some inner workings of our database to a US based developer  
I'm working with.

He suggested I set up an iChat account so he could see my screen, and  
within 5 minutes he could not only see it, but take control of my  
machine (with my permission).    I knew there was a 'back to my Mac'  
feature avaialable, but thought it required a MobileMe account -  
didn't realise it just works on vanilla internet.     Very spooky to  
see the cursor apparently doing its own thing!

I have used Skype since it was launched, and was under the impression  
that iChat was rather poor, but it has obviously undergone a big  
revamp and is now very impressive ....   And unlike the Windoze remote  
access equivalents,  it's free!

It means I can sit here in Norwich and troubleshoot the machines in  
our office 40 miles down the A140.  Can't be bad.

Robbie

Thank you Apple from me too.



On 19 Apr 2009, at 21:45, stefan youngs wrote:

.....  Just reconnected my second screen and popped up to see how Screen
Sharing works ...... To my amazement it presents BOTH screens. Or you  
can switch between
the 2. What a company! Thankyou Apple!
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From munkt0n at gmail.com  Mon Apr 20 06:47:57 2009
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 06:47:57 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Two Times
In-Reply-To: <28948E30-E57D-43EC-B46F-3ED4E292B53D@f2s.com>
References: <16B20596-107E-446F-8224-AEBC63C22589@gmail.com>
	<28948E30-E57D-43EC-B46F-3ED4E292B53D@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0904192247q3874d786u66ce1fbe46858907@mail.gmail.com>

you can even use 'screen sharing.app' to control windows machines, as
long as they're running a VNC server. The Mac equivalent of
ctrl+alt+del is an RSI inducing fn+ctrl+option+command+backspace!

On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 10:55 PM, Robbie Murray <macman at f2s.com> wrote:
> Slightly different subject, but I had a surprise last week when trying
> to explain some inner workings of our database to a US based developer
> I'm working with.
>
> He suggested I set up an iChat account so he could see my screen, and
> within 5 minutes he could not only see it, but take control of my
> machine (with my permission). ? ?I knew there was a 'back to my Mac'
> feature avaialable, but thought it required a MobileMe account -
> didn't realise it just works on vanilla internet. ? ? Very spooky to
> see the cursor apparently doing its own thing!
>
> I have used Skype since it was launched, and was under the impression
> that iChat was rather poor, but it has obviously undergone a big
> revamp and is now very impressive .... ? And unlike the Windoze remote
> access equivalents, ?it's free!
>
> It means I can sit here in Norwich and troubleshoot the machines in
> our office 40 miles down the A140. ?Can't be bad.
>
> Robbie
>
> Thank you Apple from me too.
>
>
>
> On 19 Apr 2009, at 21:45, stefan youngs wrote:
>
> ..... ?Just reconnected my second screen and popped up to see how Screen
> Sharing works ...... To my amazement it presents BOTH screens. Or you
> can switch between
> the 2. What a company! Thankyou Apple!
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



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:wq


From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Mon Apr 20 15:56:30 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:56:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Are Apple Knock Offs Worth It?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1240225202.23966.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1.1240225202.23966.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ED4704CB-DD2B-4FD5-9509-FD167597BA33@gmail.com>


Simon wrote:

> However, these CECT knock offs are selling for under ?50 whereas you  
> would
> be lucky to get a 2G iPhone for under ?150 - even on eBay.

 From the Teaching Grandma To Suck Eggs Department....

the iPhone has 25,000 apps running on it right now, more every week.  
Cost is only one part of the equation, and is borne once. Value is far  
more important and is earned every day (if you have the right product,  
and all those apps must mean you are going to get more out of the  
product). The time I save on my Macs just doing simple things like  
clearing up files I've downloaded during the day, images I've copied  
for temporary use, PDFs I want to read once than then toss, compared  
to doing even these simple things on a Windoze machine, it all adds  
up. Yes, of course you can do them on the Dark Side, and it may not  
always be THAT much more difficult, but it only needs to be a tad  
more  inconvenient for it all to add up for a busy little booger like  
me. I'm pretty sure that IF I used a cellphone for more than the odd  
emergency call to my broker to see how much further I am in the hole,  
I'd jump all over the iPhone for what it does.
>
>
> Also, they are unlocked to any network, MMS capable and have proper
> bluetooth and don't come with a two year contract.

I too don't like the restrictive and expensive contracts imposed by  
Apple's partners.. I am waiting for Apple to come up with their own  
cell network, then it will be a case of auf  wiedersehen O2 and ATT.  
meanwhile if you compare contracts with other smartphones, the iPhone  
doesn't seem THAT much more expensive.
>
>
> I love the idea of an iPhone, but Apple have crippled quite standard
> features on other mobile phones.

25000 apps and approaching 1 BILLION downloads from the AppStore tell  
me Apple has it right, again. If you prefer to be out on the sidelines  
freezing your butt off instead of in the warm with thousands of  
developers beavering away to make your iPhone and you more productive,  
then that is your choice. But ?100 difference at the point of purchase  
wouldn't tempt me one iota.

That's enough of that I think. We've both made our points.



From bazyoungs at mac.com  Mon Apr 20 17:17:36 2009
From: bazyoungs at mac.com (Barry Youngs)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:17:36 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Are Apple Knock Offs Worth It?
In-Reply-To: <ED4704CB-DD2B-4FD5-9509-FD167597BA33@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1240225202.23966.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<ED4704CB-DD2B-4FD5-9509-FD167597BA33@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ABAEF3B6-048F-4486-8851-8219E4D95B93@mac.com>

Mr. Youngs
No matter how much or how often you extoll the virtues of the aforsaid  
large computer company and its products, you will not be getting any  
off of me for your birthday tomorrow!
Baz
On 20 Apr 2009, at 15:56, stefan youngs wrote:

>
> Simon wrote:
>
>> However, these CECT knock offs are selling for under ?50 whereas you
>> would
>> be lucky to get a 2G iPhone for under ?150 - even on eBay.
>
> From the Teaching Grandma To Suck Eggs Department....
>
> the iPhone has 25,000 apps running on it right now, more every week.
> Cost is only one part of the equation, and is borne once. Value is far
> more important and is earned every day

SAVE THE WHALES. COLLECT THE WHOLE SET





From macman at f2s.com  Mon Apr 20 17:24:46 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:24:46 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Are Apple Knock Offs Worth It?
In-Reply-To: <ABAEF3B6-048F-4486-8851-8219E4D95B93@mac.com>
References: <mailman.1.1240225202.23966.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<ED4704CB-DD2B-4FD5-9509-FD167597BA33@gmail.com>
	<ABAEF3B6-048F-4486-8851-8219E4D95B93@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5E07FBA5-A19E-4DA0-A77B-3A9BDA4C2EF8@f2s.com>

Looks like you're getting a CECT Stefan!

Robbie

On 20 Apr 2009, at 17:17, Barry Youngs wrote:

Mr. Youngs
No matter how much or how often you extoll the virtues of the aforsaid
large computer company and its products, you will not be getting any
off of me for your birthday tomorrow!
Baz
On 20 Apr 2009, at 15:56, stefan youngs wrote:

>
> Simon wrote:
>
>> However, these CECT knock offs are selling for under ?50 whereas you
>> would
>> be lucky to get a 2G iPhone for under ?150 - even on eBay.




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Apr 20 17:30:11 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 17:30:11 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Are Apple Knock Offs Worth It?
In-Reply-To: <ED4704CB-DD2B-4FD5-9509-FD167597BA33@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1240225202.23966.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<ED4704CB-DD2B-4FD5-9509-FD167597BA33@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9AB3CCA5-73E2-41A3-B7CB-0A8F5DC77459@simonroyal.co.uk>

Stefan


> I too don't like the restrictive and expensive contracts imposed by
> Apple's partners.. I am waiting for Apple to come up with their own
> cell network, then it will be a case of auf  wiedersehen O2 and ATT.
> meanwhile if you compare contracts with other smartphones, the iPhone
> doesn't seem THAT much more expensive.

I got my Nokia E71 around the time the iPhone 3G came out.

Handset was free, on a 12 month contract. Contract was ?35 a month for  
300 mins, 1000 texts, 50 video minutes, 50 mms. I got it discounted to  
?15 a month as a loyalty bonus.

Unlimited internet on the handset is only ?5 a month too.

Don't think you can match that with the iPhone tariff.

Simon

>



From june.perrett at mac.com  Tue Apr 21 15:22:44 2009
From: june.perrett at mac.com (June Perrett)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:22:44 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Liz Barnard to contact June re SMUG Beginners Course on
	22/4/09
Message-ID: <0A638E16-5073-4206-8038-ED92C4DA5EBB@mac.com>

I sent to you an email offline but it has been returned by  
postmaster at mac.
I want to let you know the Course is 7.00pm-10pm at the school in  
Great Finsborough, near Stowmarket.
Haydn would like to set off from Norwich soon after 5.00 pm. Do you  
need directions to my house?
Please get in touch as I don't have your phone number.
Regards
June
01603 505297



From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk  Wed Apr 22 14:42:39 2009
From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 14:42:39 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Start-up problems
Message-ID: <44285390-DD9B-4BD0-854E-5587F770E5F6@themagic.me.uk>

1. The involuntary staring up has now ceased. AppleCare made a couple  
of suggestions which did not seem to have had any effect, then  
suddenly the matter ceased two or three days later.

2. However each time I do start up the Quick Time program launches and  
is on the screen. I have searched System and QT preferences but cannot  
find anything applicable. QT is supposed to "Play movies  
automatically" but there is not a movie there when I start up, that I  
can see.

Any advice, please?

Sorry cannot attend the meeting this evening.

Anthony



From alanbarber at mac.com  Wed Apr 22 15:08:19 2009
From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:08:19 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] US connection
Message-ID: <BB485704-137E-46AA-B4C8-0B2E5B5FD935@mac.com>

A friend is off to the USA with a pc laptop.
Other than wireless what is the internet connection likely to be in  
hotels
and what connections should they take?

Regards

Alan
		



From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Wed Apr 22 15:08:51 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:08:51 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Start-up problems
In-Reply-To: <44285390-DD9B-4BD0-854E-5587F770E5F6@themagic.me.uk>
References: <44285390-DD9B-4BD0-854E-5587F770E5F6@themagic.me.uk>
Message-ID: <C3540B93-9E62-4539-994B-A6DF7689BBB3@virgin.net>


On Apr 22, 2009, at 14:42, Anthony Brahams wrote:
> 2. However each time I do start up the Quick Time program launches and
> is on the screen. I have searched System and QT preferences but cannot
> find anything applicable.

Is the QT icon in your dock? If so, click on it and keep your finger  
down. A pop up menu will appear which has an option of 'Open at  
Login'. If that is ticked then click on it to untick it.

If it's not that then we will have to think some more.

Paul C



From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk  Wed Apr 22 15:24:23 2009
From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:24:23 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Start-up problems
In-Reply-To: <C3540B93-9E62-4539-994B-A6DF7689BBB3@virgin.net>
References: <44285390-DD9B-4BD0-854E-5587F770E5F6@themagic.me.uk>
	<C3540B93-9E62-4539-994B-A6DF7689BBB3@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <D6762DAE-D6BB-4CF8-9FDF-F982B8A07CCE@themagic.me.uk>

Thanks, Paul; but it is not in the Dock.

Anthony

On 22 Apr 2009, at 15:08, Paul Chapman wrote:

>
> On Apr 22, 2009, at 14:42, Anthony Brahams wrote:
>> 2. However each time I do start up the Quick Time program launches  
>> and
>> is on the screen. I have searched System and QT preferences but  
>> cannot
>> find anything applicable.
>
> Is the QT icon in your dock? If so, click on it and keep your finger
> down. A pop up menu will appear which has an option of 'Open at
> Login'. If that is ticked then click on it to untick it.
>
> If it's not that then we will have to think some more.
>
> Paul C
>
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From kelvinyoungs at mac.com  Wed Apr 22 15:26:06 2009
From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 15:26:06 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Start-up problems
In-Reply-To: <D6762DAE-D6BB-4CF8-9FDF-F982B8A07CCE@themagic.me.uk>
References: <44285390-DD9B-4BD0-854E-5587F770E5F6@themagic.me.uk>
	<C3540B93-9E62-4539-994B-A6DF7689BBB3@virgin.net>
	<D6762DAE-D6BB-4CF8-9FDF-F982B8A07CCE@themagic.me.uk>
Message-ID: <B576C7CE-4C19-46A7-98EF-7E6CBD64969B@mac.com>

Try placing it in the dock ? then do what Paul says ? may just do it!

Kelvin
Vah! Denuone Latine loquebar? Me ineptum. Interdum modo elabitur.
Oh! Was I speaking Latin again? Silly me. Sometimes it just sort of  
slips out.

From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk  Wed Apr 22 16:11:17 2009
From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:11:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Start-up problems
In-Reply-To: <B576C7CE-4C19-46A7-98EF-7E6CBD64969B@mac.com>
References: <44285390-DD9B-4BD0-854E-5587F770E5F6@themagic.me.uk>
	<C3540B93-9E62-4539-994B-A6DF7689BBB3@virgin.net>
	<D6762DAE-D6BB-4CF8-9FDF-F982B8A07CCE@themagic.me.uk>
	<B576C7CE-4C19-46A7-98EF-7E6CBD64969B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E78F16E9-F3F8-4959-A5FF-4D6A6B1FD730@themagic.me.uk>

Thanks but no luck. 'Open at Login' wasn't ticked. I did tick and  
untick it, also tried with 'Hide" but after restart QT sill launched.

Anthony

On 22 Apr 2009, at 15:26, Kelvin Youngs wrote:

> Try placing it in the dock ? then do what Paul says ? may just do it!
>
> Kelvin
> Vah! Denuone Latine loquebar? Me ineptum. Interdum modo elabitur.
> Oh! Was I speaking Latin again? Silly me. Sometimes it just sort of
> slips out.
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Wed Apr 22 16:17:42 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:17:42 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Start-up problems
In-Reply-To: <B576C7CE-4C19-46A7-98EF-7E6CBD64969B@mac.com>
References: <44285390-DD9B-4BD0-854E-5587F770E5F6@themagic.me.uk>
	<C3540B93-9E62-4539-994B-A6DF7689BBB3@virgin.net>
	<D6762DAE-D6BB-4CF8-9FDF-F982B8A07CCE@themagic.me.uk>
	<B576C7CE-4C19-46A7-98EF-7E6CBD64969B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <55010C3C-3884-41AD-A9E6-4FBE8D423002@virgin.net>


On Apr 22, 2009, at 15:26, Kelvin Youngs wrote:

> Try placing it in the dock ? then do what Paul says ? may just do it!

It will get placed in the dock when you start QT.

Paul C

From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk  Wed Apr 22 16:23:21 2009
From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:23:21 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Start-up problems
In-Reply-To: <55010C3C-3884-41AD-A9E6-4FBE8D423002@virgin.net>
References: <44285390-DD9B-4BD0-854E-5587F770E5F6@themagic.me.uk>
	<C3540B93-9E62-4539-994B-A6DF7689BBB3@virgin.net>
	<D6762DAE-D6BB-4CF8-9FDF-F982B8A07CCE@themagic.me.uk>
	<B576C7CE-4C19-46A7-98EF-7E6CBD64969B@mac.com>
	<55010C3C-3884-41AD-A9E6-4FBE8D423002@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <F48C1000-3E30-439E-BD33-289ADA02FA3B@themagic.me.uk>

I did nit start QT deliberately?it started when I started the computer  
and it didn't oughta done!

Anthony

On 22 Apr 2009, at 16:17, Paul Chapman wrote:

>
> On Apr 22, 2009, at 15:26, Kelvin Youngs wrote:
>
>> Try placing it in the dock ? then do what Paul says ? may just do it!
>
> It will get placed in the dock when you start QT.
>
> Paul C
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From macman at f2s.com  Wed Apr 22 16:28:27 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:28:27 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Start-up problems
In-Reply-To: <E78F16E9-F3F8-4959-A5FF-4D6A6B1FD730@themagic.me.uk>
References: <44285390-DD9B-4BD0-854E-5587F770E5F6@themagic.me.uk>
	<C3540B93-9E62-4539-994B-A6DF7689BBB3@virgin.net>
	<D6762DAE-D6BB-4CF8-9FDF-F982B8A07CCE@themagic.me.uk>
	<B576C7CE-4C19-46A7-98EF-7E6CBD64969B@mac.com>
	<E78F16E9-F3F8-4959-A5FF-4D6A6B1FD730@themagic.me.uk>
Message-ID: <3E866848-4C18-421B-AD88-A7B0F466089D@f2s.com>

I missed the beginning of this thread, so please forgive me if I'm  
covering old ground.


If any programme is listed in the user's login items, WHETHER OR NOT  
IT IS CHECKED, it will still load: the checkbox simply suppresses the  
splash screen.  To disable, it must be completely removed from the  
login items list.

Robbie


On 22 Apr 2009, at 16:11, Anthony Brahams wrote:

Thanks but no luck. 'Open at Login' wasn't ticked. I did tick and
untick it, also tried with 'Hide" but after restart QT sill launched.

Anthony

On 22 Apr 2009, at 15:26, Kelvin Youngs wrote:

> Try placing it in the dock ? then do what Paul says ? may just do it!
>
> Kelvin
> Vah! Denuone Latine loquebar? Me ineptum. Interdum modo elabitur.
> Oh! Was I speaking Latin again? Silly me. Sometimes it just sort of
> slips out.
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

_______________________________________________
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From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk  Wed Apr 22 17:28:20 2009
From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:28:20 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Start-up problems
In-Reply-To: <3E866848-4C18-421B-AD88-A7B0F466089D@f2s.com>
References: <44285390-DD9B-4BD0-854E-5587F770E5F6@themagic.me.uk>
	<C3540B93-9E62-4539-994B-A6DF7689BBB3@virgin.net>
	<D6762DAE-D6BB-4CF8-9FDF-F982B8A07CCE@themagic.me.uk>
	<B576C7CE-4C19-46A7-98EF-7E6CBD64969B@mac.com>
	<E78F16E9-F3F8-4959-A5FF-4D6A6B1FD730@themagic.me.uk>
	<3E866848-4C18-421B-AD88-A7B0F466089D@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <2C969209-06C3-4774-888A-80239F8DC00D@themagic.me.uk>

QT is not in a LogIn items list. It does go in the Dock when it  
automatically launches on Start-up. I tried the ticking and unticking  
of "Open at Login" but it still opened the next time the computer  
started up.

I tried unchecking "Play movies automatically" in the QT prefs but it  
made no difference.

Anthony

On 22 Apr 2009, at 16:28, Robbie Murray wrote:

> I missed the beginning of this thread, so please forgive me if I'm
> covering old ground.
>
>
> If any programme is listed in the user's login items, WHETHER OR NOT
> IT IS CHECKED, it will still load: the checkbox simply suppresses the
> splash screen.  To disable, it must be completely removed from the
> login items list.
>
> Robbie
>
>
> On 22 Apr 2009, at 16:11, Anthony Brahams wrote:
>
> Thanks but no luck. 'Open at Login' wasn't ticked. I did tick and
> untick it, also tried with 'Hide" but after restart QT sill launched.
>
> Anthony
>
> On 22 Apr 2009, at 15:26, Kelvin Youngs wrote:
>
>> Try placing it in the dock ? then do what Paul says ? may just do it!
>>
>> Kelvin
>> Vah! Denuone Latine loquebar? Me ineptum. Interdum modo elabitur.
>> Oh! Was I speaking Latin again? Silly me. Sometimes it just sort of
>> slips out.
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed Apr 22 17:38:17 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:38:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] US connection
In-Reply-To: <BB485704-137E-46AA-B4C8-0B2E5B5FD935@mac.com>
References: <BB485704-137E-46AA-B4C8-0B2E5B5FD935@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B047E2E6-16DB-455F-B8B3-4D5D942928C4@durrant.co.uk>

An ethernet cable.

If connection is essential, and he'll be in remote places, he'll need  
to also take a modem (if not built-in), a US phone cable and a list of  
dial-up numbers. But it's been a long time since I've done any of that  
for a trip. Nearly everywhere offers wireless, and some places offer  
ethernet.

Paul

On 22 Apr 2009, at 15:08, Alan Barber wrote:

> A friend is off to the USA with a pc laptop.
> Other than wireless what is the internet connection likely to be in
> hotels
> and what connections should they take?



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed Apr 22 17:39:41 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:39:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Start-up problems
In-Reply-To: <2C969209-06C3-4774-888A-80239F8DC00D@themagic.me.uk>
References: <44285390-DD9B-4BD0-854E-5587F770E5F6@themagic.me.uk>
	<C3540B93-9E62-4539-994B-A6DF7689BBB3@virgin.net>
	<D6762DAE-D6BB-4CF8-9FDF-F982B8A07CCE@themagic.me.uk>
	<B576C7CE-4C19-46A7-98EF-7E6CBD64969B@mac.com>
	<E78F16E9-F3F8-4959-A5FF-4D6A6B1FD730@themagic.me.uk>
	<3E866848-4C18-421B-AD88-A7B0F466089D@f2s.com>
	<2C969209-06C3-4774-888A-80239F8DC00D@themagic.me.uk>
Message-ID: <6444664E-1E56-4647-AE83-B6B364CF6F28@durrant.co.uk>

What are the items in your Login Items in the System Preferences? If  
any one of them is a file that might launch quicktime (rather than an  
application), remove it.

On 22 Apr 2009, at 17:28, Anthony Brahams wrote:

> QT is not in a LogIn items list. It does go in the Dock when it
> automatically launches on Start-up. I tried the ticking and unticking
> of "Open at Login" but it still opened the next time the computer
> started up.
>
> I tried unchecking "Play movies automatically" in the QT prefs but it
> made no difference.
>
> Anthony
>
> On 22 Apr 2009, at 16:28, Robbie Murray wrote:
>
>> I missed the beginning of this thread, so please forgive me if I'm
>> covering old ground.
>>
>>
>> If any programme is listed in the user's login items, WHETHER OR NOT
>> IT IS CHECKED, it will still load: the checkbox simply suppresses the
>> splash screen.  To disable, it must be completely removed from the
>> login items list.
>>
>> Robbie
>>
>>
>> On 22 Apr 2009, at 16:11, Anthony Brahams wrote:
>>
>> Thanks but no luck. 'Open at Login' wasn't ticked. I did tick and
>> untick it, also tried with 'Hide" but after restart QT sill launched.
>>
>> Anthony
>>
>> On 22 Apr 2009, at 15:26, Kelvin Youngs wrote:
>>
>>> Try placing it in the dock ? then do what Paul says ? may just do  
>>> it!
>>>
>>> Kelvin
>>> Vah! Denuone Latine loquebar? Me ineptum. Interdum modo elabitur.
>>> Oh! Was I speaking Latin again? Silly me. Sometimes it just sort of
>>> slips out.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



From macman at f2s.com  Wed Apr 22 17:53:40 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:53:40 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Start-up problems
In-Reply-To: <F48C1000-3E30-439E-BD33-289ADA02FA3B@themagic.me.uk>
References: <44285390-DD9B-4BD0-854E-5587F770E5F6@themagic.me.uk>
	<C3540B93-9E62-4539-994B-A6DF7689BBB3@virgin.net>
	<D6762DAE-D6BB-4CF8-9FDF-F982B8A07CCE@themagic.me.uk>
	<B576C7CE-4C19-46A7-98EF-7E6CBD64969B@mac.com>
	<55010C3C-3884-41AD-A9E6-4FBE8D423002@virgin.net>
	<F48C1000-3E30-439E-BD33-289ADA02FA3B@themagic.me.uk>
Message-ID: <E2F9F47C-1EAB-46DB-B325-EF6456C4780C@f2s.com>

There's some bad news if you Google

"mac osx autostart worm"

Hope it's not the case, but it certainly looks similar ....

Robbie





On 22 Apr 2009, at 16:23, Anthony Brahams wrote:

I did nit start QT deliberately?it started when I started the computer
and it didn't oughta done!

Anthony

On 22 Apr 2009, at 16:17, Paul Chapman wrote:

>
> On Apr 22, 2009, at 15:26, Kelvin Youngs wrote:
>
>> Try placing it in the dock ? then do what Paul says ? may just do it!
>
> It will get placed in the dock when you start QT.
>
> Paul C
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

_______________________________________________
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From macman at f2s.com  Wed Apr 22 17:56:55 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 17:56:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] April meeting - remember the new venue
In-Reply-To: <92928A28-C217-4399-992E-9F86E4E5CB94@virgin.net>
References: <92928A28-C217-4399-992E-9F86E4E5CB94@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <4340D901-E3B3-4DA8-9B2E-3E625B06E5D7@f2s.com>

Just struck me that once the Apple Store opens, there may be a pretty  
powerful Wi-Fi signal around the Chapelfield area - maybe a venue in  
the vicinity could be a good choice in the future?

Sorry I never make the meetings:  unfortunately otherwise occupied  
every Wednesday night.

Robbie


On 19 Apr 2009, at 11:06, Paul Chapman wrote:

The next meeting will be on the 22nd April 2009 that being the fourth
Wednesday of the month. It will be held at The Quebec in a separate
room from the bar and will be from 7.30.

Quebec
93-97 Quebec Road
Norwich
NR1 4HY

Here is a link to a map showing that it's not that far from the
previous two venues.

<http://www.ukpubfinder.com/pub/21675>

I appear to have caught a nasty cough, sore throat and aches so might
not make it to the meeting.

Have fun,

Paul C
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From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk  Wed Apr 22 18:01:31 2009
From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:01:31 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Start-up problems
In-Reply-To: <6444664E-1E56-4647-AE83-B6B364CF6F28@durrant.co.uk>
References: <44285390-DD9B-4BD0-854E-5587F770E5F6@themagic.me.uk>
	<C3540B93-9E62-4539-994B-A6DF7689BBB3@virgin.net>
	<D6762DAE-D6BB-4CF8-9FDF-F982B8A07CCE@themagic.me.uk>
	<B576C7CE-4C19-46A7-98EF-7E6CBD64969B@mac.com>
	<E78F16E9-F3F8-4959-A5FF-4D6A6B1FD730@themagic.me.uk>
	<3E866848-4C18-421B-AD88-A7B0F466089D@f2s.com>
	<2C969209-06C3-4774-888A-80239F8DC00D@themagic.me.uk>
	<6444664E-1E56-4647-AE83-B6B364CF6F28@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <639A5BD5-5F87-49FE-BAFA-600313EF9CE5@themagic.me.uk>

Thanks, Paul. There has been a program Flip4Mac to do with WMV files  
that I was told (a WMV message I think) to install years ago so it has  
been there, without QT launching for ages; however I took it out and  
QT does not launch now. I tried to run a wmv file and it was fine.  
Renewed thanks.

Anthony

On 22 Apr 2009, at 17:39, Paul Durrant wrote:

> What are the items in your Login Items in the System Preferences? If
> any one of them is a file that might launch quicktime (rather than an
> application), remove it.
>
> On 22 Apr 2009, at 17:28, Anthony Brahams wrote:
>
>> QT is not in a LogIn items list. It does go in the Dock when it
>> automatically launches on Start-up. I tried the ticking and unticking
>> of "Open at Login" but it still opened the next time the computer
>> started up.
>>
>> I tried unchecking "Play movies automatically" in the QT prefs but it
>> made no difference.
>>
>> Anthony
>>
>> On 22 Apr 2009, at 16:28, Robbie Murray wrote:
>>
>>> I missed the beginning of this thread, so please forgive me if I'm
>>> covering old ground.
>>>
>>>
>>> If any programme is listed in the user's login items, WHETHER OR NOT
>>> IT IS CHECKED, it will still load: the checkbox simply suppresses  
>>> the
>>> splash screen.  To disable, it must be completely removed from the
>>> login items list.
>>>
>>> Robbie
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22 Apr 2009, at 16:11, Anthony Brahams wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks but no luck. 'Open at Login' wasn't ticked. I did tick and
>>> untick it, also tried with 'Hide" but after restart QT sill  
>>> launched.
>>>
>>> Anthony
>>>
>>> On 22 Apr 2009, at 15:26, Kelvin Youngs wrote:
>>>
>>>> Try placing it in the dock ? then do what Paul says ? may just do
>>>> it!
>>>>
>>>> Kelvin
>>>> Vah! Denuone Latine loquebar? Me ineptum. Interdum modo elabitur.
>>>> Oh! Was I speaking Latin again? Silly me. Sometimes it just sort of
>>>> slips out.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From Interjay2 at btinternet.com  Wed Apr 22 18:11:30 2009
From: Interjay2 at btinternet.com (Peter James)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:11:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] US connection
References: <BB485704-137E-46AA-B4C8-0B2E5B5FD935@mac.com>
	<B047E2E6-16DB-455F-B8B3-4D5D942928C4@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <D78B6699B9174E4D993A7E2CC68647D0@fujitsu>

On the 3 trips I have made to the USA during the last 3 years, almost every 
Hotel has WiFi - probaly with a supplied password log-in.
We also found loads of cafe's offering simliar arrangements.
The phone connector  ( for a wired hookup ) is similar to the BT type except 
its smaller and known as RJ45.You can get these just about anywhere in the 
UK.
If he has loads of money you can pick up PCMCIA and Dongle solutions with UK 
ISP's and they are quadband so allowing a wireless ( Cellular ) connection 
in the USA. Check to cost of data download.
PJ


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Durrant" <paul at durrant.co.uk>
To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [NMUG] US connection


> An ethernet cable.
>
> If connection is essential, and he'll be in remote places, he'll need
> to also take a modem (if not built-in), a US phone cable and a list of
> dial-up numbers. But it's been a long time since I've done any of that
> for a trip. Nearly everywhere offers wireless, and some places offer
> ethernet.
>
> Paul
>
> On 22 Apr 2009, at 15:08, Alan Barber wrote:
>
>> A friend is off to the USA with a pc laptop.
>> Other than wireless what is the internet connection likely to be in
>> hotels
>> and what connections should they take?
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


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From macman at f2s.com  Wed Apr 22 18:11:42 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:11:42 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Start-up problems
In-Reply-To: <639A5BD5-5F87-49FE-BAFA-600313EF9CE5@themagic.me.uk>
References: <44285390-DD9B-4BD0-854E-5587F770E5F6@themagic.me.uk>
	<C3540B93-9E62-4539-994B-A6DF7689BBB3@virgin.net>
	<D6762DAE-D6BB-4CF8-9FDF-F982B8A07CCE@themagic.me.uk>
	<B576C7CE-4C19-46A7-98EF-7E6CBD64969B@mac.com>
	<E78F16E9-F3F8-4959-A5FF-4D6A6B1FD730@themagic.me.uk>
	<3E866848-4C18-421B-AD88-A7B0F466089D@f2s.com>
	<2C969209-06C3-4774-888A-80239F8DC00D@themagic.me.uk>
	<6444664E-1E56-4647-AE83-B6B364CF6F28@durrant.co.uk>
	<639A5BD5-5F87-49FE-BAFA-600313EF9CE5@themagic.me.uk>
Message-ID: <707E55D1-4771-40E7-92FD-DF40B3152E15@f2s.com>

Glad you have a solution, and it's nothing to do with worms!

i have, however, used Flip4Mac for years without any problem.

Robbie




On 22 Apr 2009, at 18:01, Anthony Brahams wrote:

Thanks, Paul. There has been a program Flip4Mac to do with WMV files
that I was told (a WMV message I think) to install years ago so it has
been there, without QT launching for ages; however I took it out and
QT does not launch now. I tried to run a wmv file and it was fine.
Renewed thanks.

Anthony

On 22 Apr 2009, at 17:39, Paul Durrant wrote:

> What are the items in your Login Items in the System Preferences? If
> any one of them is a file that might launch quicktime (rather than an
> application), remove it.
>
> On 22 Apr 2009, at 17:28, Anthony Brahams wrote:
>
>> QT is not in a LogIn items list. It does go in the Dock when it
>> automatically launches on Start-up. I tried the ticking and unticking
>> of "Open at Login" but it still opened the next time the computer
>> started up.
>>
>> I tried unchecking "Play movies automatically" in the QT prefs but it
>> made no difference.
>>
>> Anthony
>>
>> On 22 Apr 2009, at 16:28, Robbie Murray wrote:
>>
>>> I missed the beginning of this thread, so please forgive me if I'm
>>> covering old ground.
>>>
>>>
>>> If any programme is listed in the user's login items, WHETHER OR NOT
>>> IT IS CHECKED, it will still load: the checkbox simply suppresses
>>> the
>>> splash screen.  To disable, it must be completely removed from the
>>> login items list.
>>>
>>> Robbie
>>>
>>>
>>> On 22 Apr 2009, at 16:11, Anthony Brahams wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks but no luck. 'Open at Login' wasn't ticked. I did tick and
>>> untick it, also tried with 'Hide" but after restart QT sill
>>> launched.
>>>
>>> Anthony
>>>
>>> On 22 Apr 2009, at 15:26, Kelvin Youngs wrote:
>>>
>>>> Try placing it in the dock ? then do what Paul says ? may just do
>>>> it!
>>>>
>>>> Kelvin
>>>> Vah! Denuone Latine loquebar? Me ineptum. Interdum modo elabitur.
>>>> Oh! Was I speaking Latin again? Silly me. Sometimes it just sort of
>>>> slips out.
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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From bell.fam at mac.com  Wed Apr 22 18:29:19 2009
From: bell.fam at mac.com (Andrew Bell)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:29:19 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] imacG5 Sorry state of affairs
Message-ID: <AD0377BF-CCA5-4E54-985E-E833E4BECAE6@mac.com>

Hello everyone, I'm Andy. I've been looking in at the mail for a  
couple of years now on/off, without any concerns with my own  
equipment. I found the posts interesting, and like the surrport that  
you provide each other. So being as such, an "outsider", could you  
help or advise me?  My Imac g5 power PC packed up, it's 4 years old  
with new more Applecare. Had the Folder Logo with ? on start up. Tried  
Disk Warrior and ToolTec pro; However they couldn't recognize the Hard  
drive. On opening the back, saw that several capacitors had erupted  
with leakage so I tried to connect up the drive via a USB 2 to SATA  
Cable to my Intel G5, only then realizing the disk wasn't spinning on  
power up. Supply was 12.65v. So, I know there is an issue with a range  
of G5's that Apple used a dodgy batch of Capacitors, erupting on Logic  
Board and power Supply.

Is it worth finding a new logic board and psu? Don't want to spend  
lots of money.
Is it possible to recover the data on the dead drive?
Is It worth my while buying a new SATA drive?
Any suggestions for a replacement SATA, as Western digital seem a bit  
expensive.
Any Feedback would be Grateful

regards Andy


From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Wed Apr 22 18:32:22 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:32:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] imacG5 Sorry state of affairs
In-Reply-To: <AD0377BF-CCA5-4E54-985E-E833E4BECAE6@mac.com>
References: <AD0377BF-CCA5-4E54-985E-E833E4BECAE6@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7119A503-3BEC-4276-B6D4-AAC88DE4171B@virgin.net>


On Apr 22, 2009, at 18:29, Andrew Bell wrote:

>  On opening the back, saw that several capacitors had erupted
> with leakage so I tried to connect up the drive via a USB 2 to SATA
> Cable to my Intel G5, only then realizing the disk wasn't spinning on
> power up. Supply was 12.65v. So, I know there is an issue with a range
> of G5's that Apple used a dodgy batch of Capacitors, erupting on Logic
> Board and power Supply.

Call Apple first either by phone or via their website. It might be  
that machine is still covered for that problem.

Worth a try first,

Paul C



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Apr 22 22:19:22 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:19:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New Site
Message-ID: <A2EF4945-A8CF-488C-8EB3-114C06206F4C@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I have just spent all day, redoing my website with a new style sheet,  
giving a completely new look.

Can you all give it a look please and let me know of anything that  
doesn't work or doesn't look right.

Regards

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From kelvinyoungs at mac.com  Wed Apr 22 22:37:59 2009
From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 22:37:59 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New Site
In-Reply-To: <A2EF4945-A8CF-488C-8EB3-114C06206F4C@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <A2EF4945-A8CF-488C-8EB3-114C06206F4C@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <45526FA0-42E6-44F4-B224-610896FF3172@mac.com>

The pictures on http://www.simonroyal.co.uk/html/applestuff.html
are not working Simon, but what is more important the fantastic mug  
that I made you isn't to be seen! Or any of my mouse-mats, coasters,  
aluminium plaques!

Kelvin
Te audire no possum. Musa sapientum fixa est in aure.
I can't hear you. I have a banana in my ear.



From macman at f2s.com  Thu Apr 23 17:53:46 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:53:46 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Norwich Computer Systems, Plumstead Road
Message-ID: <5CF5E5C5-02F0-4D3D-9123-7CAF3862753C@f2s.com>

My son in law is looking to upgrade a Macbook optical drive.
Has anyone used this company, and can recommend or advise otherwise?
I  don't know them at all - found them on Google .....

Robbie


From sc at davidviner.com  Thu Apr 23 18:17:50 2009
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:17:50 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Norwich Computer Systems, Plumstead Road
In-Reply-To: <5CF5E5C5-02F0-4D3D-9123-7CAF3862753C@f2s.com>
References: <5CF5E5C5-02F0-4D3D-9123-7CAF3862753C@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <49F0A2BE.9030307@davidviner.com>

Hmm, I'd never heard of them and I don't live very far away!

But they are getting good reviews here:
    
http://www.freeindex.co.uk/profile(norwich-computer-systems-ltd)_57412.htm

David


Robbie Murray wrote:
> My son in law is looking to upgrade a Macbook optical drive.
> Has anyone used this company, and can recommend or advise otherwise?
> I  don't know them at all - found them on Google .....
>
> Robbie
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From macman at f2s.com  Thu Apr 23 19:19:35 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:19:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Norwich Computer Systems, Plumstead Road
In-Reply-To: <49F0A2BE.9030307@davidviner.com>
References: <5CF5E5C5-02F0-4D3D-9123-7CAF3862753C@f2s.com>
	<49F0A2BE.9030307@davidviner.com>
Message-ID: <2961F844-19EE-4217-A40F-3B061FF99522@f2s.com>

Certainly looks that way - just wondered why I'd never heard mention  
of him.  No landline, and he also runs the Kitchen showroom on the  
same site, which did make me hesitate.

I did try to call Triangle, but the number seems to be disconnected.   
Shame

Robbie

On 23 Apr 2009, at 18:17, David Viner wrote:

Hmm, I'd never heard of them and I don't live very far away!

But they are getting good reviews here:

http://www.freeindex.co.uk/profile(norwich-computer-systems-ltd)_57412.htm

David


Robbie Murray wrote:
> My son in law is looking to upgrade a Macbook optical drive.
> Has anyone used this company, and can recommend or advise otherwise?
> I  don't know them at all - found them on Google .....
>
> Robbie
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
NMUG at durrant.co.uk
http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From june.perrett at mac.com  Thu Apr 23 19:35:28 2009
From: june.perrett at mac.com (June Perrett)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:35:28 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Basic Training for NMUG members
Message-ID: <1F41FB2C-4B7F-4E95-8243-EF5590F8CD7B@mac.com>

Reading through the NMUG postings 15 members have shown interest in  
attending courses organised by NMUG.

They are Jules Slaughter, Liz Barnard, Kevin Allenby, Min Kennison,  
Richard Stewart, Peter James, Kelvin Youngs, Jim Massy, Simone Massy,  
Ivor Cloke, Ivor's friend, Richard Ivers, June Perrett, Haydn Perrett,  
and <ehitchins at aol.com> (Who is this?)

Most people want a basic course to get to know the main features of  
their computer and the OS X system.  People also want help and  
training with iPhoto , Photoshop, Photoshop Elements, iMovie.  Also  
'all Leopard topics', and 'the advantages of Leopard over Tiger'.   
Anyone want anything else covered?

Martin Fry has offered show people how to edit in Photoshop and  
Elements. Thanks Martin.
I think Simon Royal offered his services at the beginning of this  
discussion. Remind us on what topics, Simon.
Liz Barnard suggested Paul Unwin, Head of IT at a private school in  
Taverham which uses Macs.  <punwin at UK2K.com>   Liz - is this correct?  
(I wonder if we could use their computers for a course?)
Simon Bainbridge has offered to teach. <2003r2tech at googlemail.com>
Jules Slaughter mentioned she has a friend who may be willing to  
teach. Can we have his details, please.
A couple of members have asked if there is someone willing to do a 1:1  
lesson to help get them started?

Perhaps everyone interested in attending the courses or tutoring could  
come to the next NMUG meeting.  I feel we ought to form a  
'committee'.  I am willing to help where needed (not teach).

I asked Mike Kwasniak how SMUG functions.
They have about 100 members now. Membership is ?10 pa.
Normal monthly meetings are held at the St Nicholas Centre in Ipswich  
and members pay ?3 at each meeting to cover cost of hiring the hall.
If they run a training course or have a Speaker he/she is paid ?50 for  
the 2-3 hour session.  If there are 2 tutors they share the ?50.
To use the Great Finborough school computer room (equiped with about  
20 brand new iMacs) they paid ?70 for the evening and we (the  
students) paid ?10 for the 3 hour Beginners Course. It was good value  
and we (Liz, Kevin, Haydn and myself) came home happy with the fact we  
had learnt a little more about our beautiful smiley macs.

A couple of points: We all felt a 3 hour session was too long.  For  
'beginners' to get to grips with our Macs we need more than 1 session  
- perhaps 3 to 4 lessons.

Regards
June





From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Apr 23 20:28:21 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:28:21 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Quick Site Problem
Message-ID: <0B0C719C-7880-4830-A9C4-DBCCA3BB0984@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

Just a quick question. My blog is handled by Blogger and hosted  
externally on my domain. They don't give you much flexibilty in terms  
of design.

I particularly want to use the CSS of the rest my of site so my blog  
looks the same.

So I was looking around at other blog handlers and even software to do  
it like drupal or b2evolution. However, they all require PHP and MySQL  
support and I don't think my server supports these.

Is there another way round this? Can this be done without PHP or  
MySQL? Can anyone recommend anything?

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From sc at davidviner.com  Thu Apr 23 20:37:56 2009
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:37:56 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Quick Site Problem
In-Reply-To: <0B0C719C-7880-4830-A9C4-DBCCA3BB0984@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <0B0C719C-7880-4830-A9C4-DBCCA3BB0984@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <49F0C394.8030302@davidviner.com>

Simon

One way of testing to see if your hosting supports PHP is to create a 
file called, say, info.php containing the following single line:

    <?php phpinfo(); ?>

Upload it to your site and access it in your browser (e.g. 
www.simonroyal.co.uk/info.php) - if you just see the line above then, 
no, there's no PHP - however, if you see a whole list of info then it 
does - you may also see a section about MySQL as well.

David

> Hi
>
> Just a quick question. My blog is handled by Blogger and hosted  
> externally on my domain. They don't give you much flexibilty in terms  
> of design.
>
> I particularly want to use the CSS of the rest my of site so my blog  
> looks the same.
>
> So I was looking around at other blog handlers and even software to do  
> it like drupal or b2evolution. However, they all require PHP and MySQL  
> support and I don't think my server supports these.
>
> Is there another way round this? Can this be done without PHP or  
> MySQL? Can anyone recommend anything?
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Apr 23 20:46:49 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:46:49 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Quick Site Problem
In-Reply-To: <49F0C394.8030302@davidviner.com>
References: <0B0C719C-7880-4830-A9C4-DBCCA3BB0984@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<49F0C394.8030302@davidviner.com>
Message-ID: <50F9CFD9-A635-4A53-B830-316C67E0E24C@simonroyal.co.uk>

David

No. I just get the option to download it, nothing else.

Simon

On 23 Apr 2009, at 20:37, David Viner wrote:

> Simon
>
> One way of testing to see if your hosting supports PHP is to create a
> file called, say, info.php containing the following single line:
>
>    <?php phpinfo(); ?>
>
> Upload it to your site and access it in your browser (e.g.
> www.simonroyal.co.uk/info.php) - if you just see the line above then,
> no, there's no PHP - however, if you see a whole list of info then it
> does - you may also see a section about MySQL as well.
>
> David
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Just a quick question. My blog is handled by Blogger and hosted
>> externally on my domain. They don't give you much flexibilty in terms
>> of design.
>>
>> I particularly want to use the CSS of the rest my of site so my blog
>> looks the same.
>>
>> So I was looking around at other blog handlers and even software to  
>> do
>> it like drupal or b2evolution. However, they all require PHP and  
>> MySQL
>> support and I don't think my server supports these.
>>
>> Is there another way round this? Can this be done without PHP or
>> MySQL? Can anyone recommend anything?
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From sc at davidviner.com  Thu Apr 23 20:50:48 2009
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:50:48 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Quick Site Problem
In-Reply-To: <50F9CFD9-A635-4A53-B830-316C67E0E24C@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <0B0C719C-7880-4830-A9C4-DBCCA3BB0984@simonroyal.co.uk>	<49F0C394.8030302@davidviner.com>
	<50F9CFD9-A635-4A53-B830-316C67E0E24C@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <49F0C698.6050604@davidviner.com>

Ah, that just means that the host web server doesn't know what to do 
with PHP files (which also confirms that PHP isn't available) and so is 
treating it in the same way it would, say, a zip file.

So, that's basically a no-go as far your current hosting is concerned :( 
- unless your hosting company will update it. Who do you use?

David


Simon Royal wrote:
> David
>
> No. I just get the option to download it, nothing else.
>
> Simon
>
> On 23 Apr 2009, at 20:37, David Viner wrote:
>
>   
>> Simon
>>
>> One way of testing to see if your hosting supports PHP is to create a
>> file called, say, info.php containing the following single line:
>>
>>    <?php phpinfo(); ?>
>>
>> Upload it to your site and access it in your browser (e.g.
>> www.simonroyal.co.uk/info.php) - if you just see the line above then,
>> no, there's no PHP - however, if you see a whole list of info then it
>> does - you may also see a section about MySQL as well.
>>
>> David
>>
>>     
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Just a quick question. My blog is handled by Blogger and hosted
>>> externally on my domain. They don't give you much flexibilty in terms
>>> of design.
>>>
>>> I particularly want to use the CSS of the rest my of site so my blog
>>> looks the same.
>>>
>>> So I was looking around at other blog handlers and even software to  
>>> do
>>> it like drupal or b2evolution. However, they all require PHP and  
>>> MySQL
>>> support and I don't think my server supports these.
>>>
>>> Is there another way round this? Can this be done without PHP or
>>> MySQL? Can anyone recommend anything?
>>>
>>> Simon Royal
>>> ---
>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>     
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Apr 23 21:00:14 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:00:14 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Quick Site Problem
In-Reply-To: <49F0C698.6050604@davidviner.com>
References: <0B0C719C-7880-4830-A9C4-DBCCA3BB0984@simonroyal.co.uk>	<49F0C394.8030302@davidviner.com>
	<50F9CFD9-A635-4A53-B830-316C67E0E24C@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<49F0C698.6050604@davidviner.com>
Message-ID: <6DD06BE4-0B2B-4DA3-A9DB-739DFE2C3AA4@simonroyal.co.uk>

David

Madasafish, because they offered a mail service for ?2 a month with  
free domain and no renewal fee.

Simon

On 23 Apr 2009, at 20:50, David Viner wrote:

> Ah, that just means that the host web server doesn't know what to do
> with PHP files (which also confirms that PHP isn't available) and so  
> is
> treating it in the same way it would, say, a zip file.
>
> So, that's basically a no-go as far your current hosting is  
> concerned :(
> - unless your hosting company will update it. Who do you use?
>
> David
>
>
> Simon Royal wrote:
>> David
>>
>> No. I just get the option to download it, nothing else.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> On 23 Apr 2009, at 20:37, David Viner wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>> One way of testing to see if your hosting supports PHP is to  
>>> create a
>>> file called, say, info.php containing the following single line:
>>>
>>>   <?php phpinfo(); ?>
>>>
>>> Upload it to your site and access it in your browser (e.g.
>>> www.simonroyal.co.uk/info.php) - if you just see the line above  
>>> then,
>>> no, there's no PHP - however, if you see a whole list of info then  
>>> it
>>> does - you may also see a section about MySQL as well.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> Just a quick question. My blog is handled by Blogger and hosted
>>>> externally on my domain. They don't give you much flexibilty in  
>>>> terms
>>>> of design.
>>>>
>>>> I particularly want to use the CSS of the rest my of site so my  
>>>> blog
>>>> looks the same.
>>>>
>>>> So I was looking around at other blog handlers and even software to
>>>> do
>>>> it like drupal or b2evolution. However, they all require PHP and
>>>> MySQL
>>>> support and I don't think my server supports these.
>>>>
>>>> Is there another way round this? Can this be done without PHP or
>>>> MySQL? Can anyone recommend anything?
>>>>
>>>> Simon Royal
>>>> ---
>>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Thu Apr 23 21:09:22 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:09:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 'Tis a wonderful thing to trim postings
In-Reply-To: <mailman.376.1240516817.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.376.1240516817.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1A8CED24-6E50-4809-B62C-CE1C25913729@gmail.com>




From sc at davidviner.com  Thu Apr 23 21:15:00 2009
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:15:00 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Quick Site Problem
In-Reply-To: <6DD06BE4-0B2B-4DA3-A9DB-739DFE2C3AA4@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <0B0C719C-7880-4830-A9C4-DBCCA3BB0984@simonroyal.co.uk>	<49F0C394.8030302@davidviner.com>	<50F9CFD9-A635-4A53-B830-316C67E0E24C@simonroyal.co.uk>	<49F0C698.6050604@davidviner.com>
	<6DD06BE4-0B2B-4DA3-A9DB-739DFE2C3AA4@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <49F0CC44.40605@davidviner.com>

Madasafish - via your ISP (sort of) - yeah, it's a bit much to expect 
that sort of hosting to do PHP and MySQL as well. The hosting company I 
use (www.plugsocket.com) do a ?25/yr package with PHP/MySQL - and I know 
others in NMUG have also suggested other good hosting companies when 
Martin talked about changing hosting a couple of months ago.

David


Simon Royal wrote:
> David
>
> Madasafish, because they offered a mail service for ?2 a month with  
> free domain and no renewal fee.
>
> Simon
>
> On 23 Apr 2009, at 20:50, David Viner wrote:
>   
>


From alanbarber at mac.com  Thu Apr 23 21:20:45 2009
From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:20:45 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] tutorials
Message-ID: <F51EF199-E45D-4B5B-A639-19B5417D151A@mac.com>

There were only 7 of us at the meeting last evening but the idea of  
courses was discussed in length.

Paul Durrant felt it was important to have the courses well structured.

A good start would be the Finder in Mac OS 10 5 and we have
someone with a laptop, projector and screen.

If someone would like to volunteer to run this we have a venue in St  
Matthews Church Hall
Telegraph Lane West, Thorpe Hamlet Norwich.
This has ample parking, kitchen facilities, and is fairly central. The  
costs could be split between the attendees.

If a volunteer makes themselves know I will offer some dates for the  
first course.

After the 1st one we could decide what to study next.

Regards

Alan
		



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Apr 23 21:28:07 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:28:07 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Quick Site Problem
In-Reply-To: <49F0CC44.40605@davidviner.com>
References: <0B0C719C-7880-4830-A9C4-DBCCA3BB0984@simonroyal.co.uk>	<49F0C394.8030302@davidviner.com>	<50F9CFD9-A635-4A53-B830-316C67E0E24C@simonroyal.co.uk>	<49F0C698.6050604@davidviner.com>
	<6DD06BE4-0B2B-4DA3-A9DB-739DFE2C3AA4@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<49F0CC44.40605@davidviner.com>
Message-ID: <701156AE-753E-4333-A256-A898FEE974FE@simonroyal.co.uk>

David

Yes, I know I could do better. However, they are going to charge me to  
release my domain to another provider and at the moment that isn't  
viable. Once I get some more paid advertising I shall think about it.

Regards

Simon


On 23 Apr 2009, at 21:15, David Viner wrote:

> Madasafish - via your ISP (sort of) - yeah, it's a bit much to expect
> that sort of hosting to do PHP and MySQL as well. The hosting  
> company I
> use (www.plugsocket.com) do a ?25/yr package with PHP/MySQL - and I  
> know
> others in NMUG have also suggested other good hosting companies when
> Martin talked about changing hosting a couple of months ago.
>
> David
>
>
> Simon Royal wrote:
>> David
>>
>> Madasafish, because they offered a mail service for ?2 a month with
>> free domain and no renewal fee.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> On 23 Apr 2009, at 20:50, David Viner wrote:
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From sc at davidviner.com  Thu Apr 23 21:38:00 2009
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:38:00 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Quick Site Problem
In-Reply-To: <701156AE-753E-4333-A256-A898FEE974FE@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <0B0C719C-7880-4830-A9C4-DBCCA3BB0984@simonroyal.co.uk>	<49F0C394.8030302@davidviner.com>	<50F9CFD9-A635-4A53-B830-316C67E0E24C@simonroyal.co.uk>	<49F0C698.6050604@davidviner.com>	<6DD06BE4-0B2B-4DA3-A9DB-739DFE2C3AA4@simonroyal.co.uk>	<49F0CC44.40605@davidviner.com>
	<701156AE-753E-4333-A256-A898FEE974FE@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <49F0D1A8.4040804@davidviner.com>

Hmm... Do you mind me asking how much they want to charge you for this? 
Most hosting companies do it for nothing - actually, many of them allow 
the customer to update it themselves.

David

Simon Royal wrote:
> David
>
> Yes, I know I could do better. However, they are going to charge me to  
> release my domain to another provider and at the moment that isn't  
> viable. Once I get some more paid advertising I shall think about it.
>
> Regards
>
> Simon
>
>
> On 23 Apr 2009, at 21:15, David Viner wrote:
>
>   
>> Madasafish - via your ISP (sort of) - yeah, it's a bit much to expect
>> that sort of hosting to do PHP and MySQL as well. The hosting  
>> company I
>> use (www.plugsocket.com) do a ?25/yr package with PHP/MySQL - and I  
>> know
>> others in NMUG have also suggested other good hosting companies when
>> Martin talked about changing hosting a couple of months ago.
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>     
>>> David
>>>
>>> Madasafish, because they offered a mail service for ?2 a month with
>>> free domain and no renewal fee.
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>> On 23 Apr 2009, at 20:50, David Viner wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>     
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Apr 23 21:41:54 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:41:54 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Quick Site Problem
In-Reply-To: <49F0D1A8.4040804@davidviner.com>
References: <0B0C719C-7880-4830-A9C4-DBCCA3BB0984@simonroyal.co.uk>	<49F0C394.8030302@davidviner.com>	<50F9CFD9-A635-4A53-B830-316C67E0E24C@simonroyal.co.uk>	<49F0C698.6050604@davidviner.com>	<6DD06BE4-0B2B-4DA3-A9DB-739DFE2C3AA4@simonroyal.co.uk>	<49F0CC44.40605@davidviner.com>
	<701156AE-753E-4333-A256-A898FEE974FE@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<49F0D1A8.4040804@davidviner.com>
Message-ID: <A7544A53-D071-428F-ADDC-FA9CE5D5EA29@simonroyal.co.uk>

David

?25

It was because it was provided free to me by them and they don't  
charge for renewal. I have had the domain for about four years and  
they renew it for free too.

Simon

On 23 Apr 2009, at 21:38, David Viner wrote:

> Hmm... Do you mind me asking how much they want to charge you for  
> this?
> Most hosting companies do it for nothing - actually, many of them  
> allow
> the customer to update it themselves.
>
> David
>
> Simon Royal wrote:
>> David
>>
>> Yes, I know I could do better. However, they are going to charge me  
>> to
>> release my domain to another provider and at the moment that isn't
>> viable. Once I get some more paid advertising I shall think about it.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
>> On 23 Apr 2009, at 21:15, David Viner wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Madasafish - via your ISP (sort of) - yeah, it's a bit much to  
>>> expect
>>> that sort of hosting to do PHP and MySQL as well. The hosting
>>> company I
>>> use (www.plugsocket.com) do a ?25/yr package with PHP/MySQL - and I
>>> know
>>> others in NMUG have also suggested other good hosting companies when
>>> Martin talked about changing hosting a couple of months ago.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>> Madasafish, because they offered a mail service for ?2 a month with
>>>> free domain and no renewal fee.
>>>>
>>>> Simon
>>>>
>>>> On 23 Apr 2009, at 20:50, David Viner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com  Thu Apr 23 21:52:45 2009
From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (Simon Bainbridge)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:52:45 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Quick Site Problem
In-Reply-To: <6DD06BE4-0B2B-4DA3-A9DB-739DFE2C3AA4@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <0B0C719C-7880-4830-A9C4-DBCCA3BB0984@simonroyal.co.uk>	<49F0C394.8030302@davidviner.com>
	<50F9CFD9-A635-4A53-B830-316C67E0E24C@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<49F0C698.6050604@davidviner.com>
	<6DD06BE4-0B2B-4DA3-A9DB-739DFE2C3AA4@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C112E079-FF45-470B-9936-E89BE1A9D65D@googlemail.com>

Hi Simon

I run my own Reseller Hosting account which can offer a variety of  
packages.

If you are interested I could offer you the following:

5GB of Web space
Unlimited Bandwidth *subject to fair usage
Apache and PHP
2 MSQL databases
5 email mail boxes
Free transfer of your domain name

On renewal of domain name you can order through myself if you would  
like for ?6.99 for 2 years

*Fair usage limit would be around 1000MB a month as a guide but not  
enforced unless owner went over the limit on 3 consecutive months.

Thanks

Simon Bainbridge

On 23 Apr 2009, at 21:00, Simon Royal wrote:

> David
>
> Madasafish, because they offered a mail service for ?2 a month with
> free domain and no renewal fee.
>
> Simon
>
> On 23 Apr 2009, at 20:50, David Viner wrote:
>
>> Ah, that just means that the host web server doesn't know what to do
>> with PHP files (which also confirms that PHP isn't available) and so
>> is
>> treating it in the same way it would, say, a zip file.
>>
>> So, that's basically a no-go as far your current hosting is
>> concerned :(
>> - unless your hosting company will update it. Who do you use?
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>> David
>>>
>>> No. I just get the option to download it, nothing else.
>>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>> On 23 Apr 2009, at 20:37, David Viner wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Simon
>>>>
>>>> One way of testing to see if your hosting supports PHP is to
>>>> create a
>>>> file called, say, info.php containing the following single line:
>>>>
>>>>  <?php phpinfo(); ?>
>>>>
>>>> Upload it to your site and access it in your browser (e.g.
>>>> www.simonroyal.co.uk/info.php) - if you just see the line above
>>>> then,
>>>> no, there's no PHP - however, if you see a whole list of info then
>>>> it
>>>> does - you may also see a section about MySQL as well.
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a quick question. My blog is handled by Blogger and hosted
>>>>> externally on my domain. They don't give you much flexibilty in
>>>>> terms
>>>>> of design.
>>>>>
>>>>> I particularly want to use the CSS of the rest my of site so my
>>>>> blog
>>>>> looks the same.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I was looking around at other blog handlers and even software  
>>>>> to
>>>>> do
>>>>> it like drupal or b2evolution. However, they all require PHP and
>>>>> MySQL
>>>>> support and I don't think my server supports these.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there another way round this? Can this be done without PHP or
>>>>> MySQL? Can anyone recommend anything?
>>>>>
>>>>> Simon Royal
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Simon Royal
>>> ---
>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From sc at davidviner.com  Thu Apr 23 21:57:39 2009
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:57:39 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Quick Site Problem
In-Reply-To: <A7544A53-D071-428F-ADDC-FA9CE5D5EA29@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <0B0C719C-7880-4830-A9C4-DBCCA3BB0984@simonroyal.co.uk>	<49F0C394.8030302@davidviner.com>	<50F9CFD9-A635-4A53-B830-316C67E0E24C@simonroyal.co.uk>	<49F0C698.6050604@davidviner.com>	<6DD06BE4-0B2B-4DA3-A9DB-739DFE2C3AA4@simonroyal.co.uk>	<49F0CC44.40605@davidviner.com>	<701156AE-753E-4333-A256-A898FEE974FE@simonroyal.co.uk>	<49F0D1A8.4040804@davidviner.com>
	<A7544A53-D071-428F-ADDC-FA9CE5D5EA29@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <49F0D643.6090307@davidviner.com>

Oh right. co.uk domain names usually cost around ?5/yr so you'll break 
even after another year! I suppose you probably can't complain too much 
about that (especially if it's in the T&Cs when you signed up) - I have 
heard of rip-off companies wanting to charge a hell of a lot more than 
that. But ?25 still seems a bit steep to me as they are already charging 
you ?24/yr for just email and very basic hosting, and all they need to 
do to change the hosting tag is probably alter an entry in a single field!

David


Simon Royal wrote:
> David
>
> ?25
>
> It was because it was provided free to me by them and they don't  
> charge for renewal. I have had the domain for about four years and  
> they renew it for free too.
>
> Simon
>   
>


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Apr 23 22:22:58 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:22:58 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Is The Sawtooth Vintage?
Message-ID: <FB436ACB-08A3-4B92-A2CB-8AD3967138C5@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I was browsing the Vintage Mac section of eBay as I do a lot - no  
surprise there - and there is a PowerMac G4 Sawtooth.

Is a 400Mhz G4 vintage? Is it that old?

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Thu Apr 23 22:27:26 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:27:26 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Is The Sawtooth Vintage?
In-Reply-To: <FB436ACB-08A3-4B92-A2CB-8AD3967138C5@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <FB436ACB-08A3-4B92-A2CB-8AD3967138C5@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <10BBDE26-287A-40D3-AA1B-D62BB2464CEE@zen.co.uk>

Well I got my 450 Mhz G$ Graphite in February 2000 and IIRC the 400  
came out around the same time and there were issues with chip speeds  
as they were announced at 400/450 and 500 MHz but were initially  
derated to 350, 400 and 450 Mhz...


On 23 Apr 2009, at 22:22, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> I was browsing the Vintage Mac section of eBay as I do a lot - no
> surprise there - and there is a PowerMac G4 Sawtooth.
>
> Is a 400Mhz G4 vintage? Is it that old?
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk





From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Apr 23 22:31:03 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:31:03 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Is The Sawtooth Vintage?
In-Reply-To: <10BBDE26-287A-40D3-AA1B-D62BB2464CEE@zen.co.uk>
References: <FB436ACB-08A3-4B92-A2CB-8AD3967138C5@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<10BBDE26-287A-40D3-AA1B-D62BB2464CEE@zen.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6B07D902-566D-4A58-8D41-DAC06C4AD112@simonroyal.co.uk>

Steven

Yes, I know it is 8 or 9 years old... but is it vintage?

MacTracker labels anything that doesn't run the latest OS as vintage -  
but I personally wouldn't class any G4 as vintage - merely aging.

Simon


On 23 Apr 2009, at 22:27, Steven Jefferson wrote:

> Well I got my 450 Mhz G$ Graphite in February 2000 and IIRC the 400
> came out around the same time and there were issues with chip speeds
> as they were announced at 400/450 and 500 MHz but were initially
> derated to 350, 400 and 450 Mhz...
>
>
> On 23 Apr 2009, at 22:22, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I was browsing the Vintage Mac section of eBay as I do a lot - no
>> surprise there - and there is a PowerMac G4 Sawtooth.
>>
>> Is a 400Mhz G4 vintage? Is it that old?
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
>
> Steven Jefferson
> steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

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From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Thu Apr 23 23:02:29 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:02:29 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Restricted ISP Service
In-Reply-To: <mailman.379.1240521784.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.379.1240521784.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3816ACE5-9108-4D3F-B2CF-50BFA24F824F@gmail.com>



> Simon Royal wrote:
>> David
>>
>> Madasafish, because they offered a mail service for ?2 a month with
>> free domain and no renewal fee.
>>
>> Simon

They probably do iPhone knock-offs as well!


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Apr 23 23:46:31 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:46:31 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Restricted ISP Service
In-Reply-To: <3816ACE5-9108-4D3F-B2CF-50BFA24F824F@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.379.1240521784.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<3816ACE5-9108-4D3F-B2CF-50BFA24F824F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2AB28E53-0293-440B-B6EA-D5770ADD6915@simonroyal.co.uk>

Stefan

And offers a restrictive service that stops you trimming emails too.

Simon

On 23 Apr 2009, at 23:02, stefan youngs wrote:

>
>
>> Simon Royal wrote:
>>> David
>>>
>>> Madasafish, because they offered a mail service for ?2 a month with
>>> free domain and no renewal fee.
>>>
>>> Simon
>
> They probably do iPhone knock-offs as well!
> _______________________________________________
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> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

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'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From paul at durrant.co.uk  Fri Apr 24 08:14:34 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 08:14:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Is The Sawtooth Vintage?
In-Reply-To: <FB436ACB-08A3-4B92-A2CB-8AD3967138C5@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <FB436ACB-08A3-4B92-A2CB-8AD3967138C5@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5F118102-A05A-4C0E-9348-A766335462F5@durrant.co.uk>

Yes. Two chip generatons old (at least), won't run current Mac OS X,  
will boot Mac OS 9.

I think I'd class anything that can boot Mac OS 9 as a vintage Mac.  
(Well, /I/ wouldn't use the term vintage* by choice, since that's the  
one used...)

Paul

*it being originally used for "a usually superior wine all or most of  
which comes from a single year". It only came to be used for "old"  
because very good wines tend to be kept for a while before being drunk.

On 23 Apr 2009, at 22:22, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> I was browsing the Vintage Mac section of eBay as I do a lot - no
> surprise there - and there is a PowerMac G4 Sawtooth.
>
> Is a 400Mhz G4 vintage? Is it that old?



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Apr 24 08:33:28 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 08:33:28 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Is The Sawtooth Vintage?
In-Reply-To: <5F118102-A05A-4C0E-9348-A766335462F5@durrant.co.uk>
References: <FB436ACB-08A3-4B92-A2CB-8AD3967138C5@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<5F118102-A05A-4C0E-9348-A766335462F5@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <639D3441-20BF-42DB-9302-48661326F329@simonroyal.co.uk>

Paul

My PowerBook officially runs Leopard, but also boots into OS9.

Would you class that as vintage?

Simon

On 24 Apr 2009, at 08:14, Paul Durrant wrote:

> Yes. Two chip generatons old (at least), won't run current Mac OS X,
> will boot Mac OS 9.
>
> I think I'd class anything that can boot Mac OS 9 as a vintage Mac.
> (Well, /I/ wouldn't use the term vintage* by choice, since that's the
> one used...)
>
> Paul
>
> *it being originally used for "a usually superior wine all or most of
> which comes from a single year". It only came to be used for "old"
> because very good wines tend to be kept for a while before being  
> drunk.
>
> On 23 Apr 2009, at 22:22, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I was browsing the Vintage Mac section of eBay as I do a lot - no
>> surprise there - and there is a PowerMac G4 Sawtooth.
>>
>> Is a 400Mhz G4 vintage? Is it that old?
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
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'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From paul at durrant.co.uk  Fri Apr 24 09:15:58 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 09:15:58 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Is The Sawtooth Vintage?
In-Reply-To: <639D3441-20BF-42DB-9302-48661326F329@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <FB436ACB-08A3-4B92-A2CB-8AD3967138C5@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<5F118102-A05A-4C0E-9348-A766335462F5@durrant.co.uk>
	<639D3441-20BF-42DB-9302-48661326F329@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C74336E1-DA9C-4970-940A-8BA16296F1A9@durrant.co.uk>

OK - I was wrong. I had forgotten that there were a few machines >=  
867MHz produced that could still boot into Mac OS 9.

As you say - MacTracker lists it as "Vintage". I suppose it is over  
five years old. Perhaps that's long enough in "computer" years :-)

Paul


On 24 Apr 2009, at 08:33, Simon Royal wrote:

> Paul
>
> My PowerBook officially runs Leopard, but also boots into OS9.
>
> Would you class that as vintage?
>
> Simon
>
> On 24 Apr 2009, at 08:14, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
>> Yes. Two chip generatons old (at least), won't run current Mac OS X,
>> will boot Mac OS 9.
>>
>> I think I'd class anything that can boot Mac OS 9 as a vintage Mac.
>> (Well, /I/ wouldn't use the term vintage* by choice, since that's the
>> one used...)
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> *it being originally used for "a usually superior wine all or most of
>> which comes from a single year". It only came to be used for "old"
>> because very good wines tend to be kept for a while before being
>> drunk.
>>
>> On 23 Apr 2009, at 22:22, Simon Royal wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I was browsing the Vintage Mac section of eBay as I do a lot - no
>>> surprise there - and there is a PowerMac G4 Sawtooth.
>>>
>>> Is a 400Mhz G4 vintage? Is it that old?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



From peterforrester at waitrose.com  Fri Apr 24 09:23:42 2009
From: peterforrester at waitrose.com (Peter Forrester)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 08:23:42 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Basic training for NMUG members
In-Reply-To: <mailman.376.1240516817.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.376.1240516817.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <e8bf4acc3c42c174797dec75c0ad4892@waitrose.com>

>
> Reading through the NMUG postings 15 members have shown interest in
> attending courses organised by NMUG.
>
> They are Jules Slaughter, Liz Barnard, Kevin Allenby, Min Kennison,
> Richard Stewart, Peter James, Kelvin Youngs, Jim Massy, Simone Massy,
> Ivor Cloke, Ivor's friend, Richard Ivers, June Perrett, Haydn Perrett,
> and <ehitchins at aol.com> (Who is this?)
>
Please add my name to the list - all subjects, including updating my 
hardware!

Peter



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Apr 24 09:33:20 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 09:33:20 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Matched RAM
Message-ID: <87A05E47-E5E0-45F1-BCD7-335422A88E76@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

Is there any benefit of using matched RAM in a PowerBook G4?

I have two, my lovely 867Mhz and a 400Mhz (I picked up off Steven). I  
have maxxed both of them with 2x512MB sticks in each.

The 400Mhz now has a matched pair, but my 867Mhz has two different  
sorts.

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Apr 24 09:37:02 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 09:37:02 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Is The Sawtooth Vintage?
In-Reply-To: <C74336E1-DA9C-4970-940A-8BA16296F1A9@durrant.co.uk>
References: <FB436ACB-08A3-4B92-A2CB-8AD3967138C5@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<5F118102-A05A-4C0E-9348-A766335462F5@durrant.co.uk>
	<639D3441-20BF-42DB-9302-48661326F329@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<C74336E1-DA9C-4970-940A-8BA16296F1A9@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <B4D92EED-C0F5-4CA5-8FFB-A2BE8F5D8CDC@simonroyal.co.uk>

Paul

Interestingly MacTracker also lists my 867Mhz as Vintage even though  
it runs the current OS. So I don't know what criteria they use.

The 12" PowerBook 1Ghz is marked as Supported (and everything upwards  
inc Intel machines), but the 15" PowerBook 1Ghz is Vintage.

It must be something to do with RAM and system bus. The 15" uses PC133  
RAM but the 12" uses DDR RAM.

Simon

On 24 Apr 2009, at 09:15, Paul Durrant wrote:

> OK - I was wrong. I had forgotten that there were a few machines >=
> 867MHz produced that could still boot into Mac OS 9.
>
> As you say - MacTracker lists it as "Vintage". I suppose it is over
> five years old. Perhaps that's long enough in "computer" years :-)
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 24 Apr 2009, at 08:33, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> Paul
>>
>> My PowerBook officially runs Leopard, but also boots into OS9.
>>
>> Would you class that as vintage?
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> On 24 Apr 2009, at 08:14, Paul Durrant wrote:
>>
>>> Yes. Two chip generatons old (at least), won't run current Mac OS X,
>>> will boot Mac OS 9.
>>>
>>> I think I'd class anything that can boot Mac OS 9 as a vintage Mac.
>>> (Well, /I/ wouldn't use the term vintage* by choice, since that's  
>>> the
>>> one used...)
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> *it being originally used for "a usually superior wine all or most  
>>> of
>>> which comes from a single year". It only came to be used for "old"
>>> because very good wines tend to be kept for a while before being
>>> drunk.
>>>
>>> On 23 Apr 2009, at 22:22, Simon Royal wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> I was browsing the Vintage Mac section of eBay as I do a lot - no
>>>> surprise there - and there is a PowerMac G4 Sawtooth.
>>>>
>>>> Is a 400Mhz G4 vintage? Is it that old?
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

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---
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'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From hookeys at mac.com  Fri Apr 24 09:58:16 2009
From: hookeys at mac.com (Stewart Hookey)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 09:58:16 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] No google search on Safari
Message-ID: <463D591F-F42E-44EA-BB0F-A9A3CD1BBF3C@mac.com>

Hi a few days ago we lost banner at the top of the Safari page so now  
we have no Google search facility. Can any one advise please.
Thanks Stewart Hookey


From ricnev at mac.com  Fri Apr 24 10:10:02 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:10:02 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] No google search on Safari
In-Reply-To: <463D591F-F42E-44EA-BB0F-A9A3CD1BBF3C@mac.com>
References: <463D591F-F42E-44EA-BB0F-A9A3CD1BBF3C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CE798721-52C0-4D99-9C0D-D4B5924FE54B@mac.com>

My guess is that you might have inadvertently toggled the toolbar off.  
If a bar is hidden, its View menu option changes to Show.
When you're in Safari, go to the drop-down 'View' menu towards  the  
top left of the screen and click on 'Show Toolbar'.


Richard Nevill.


On 24 Apr 2009, at 09:58, Stewart Hookey wrote:

> Hi a few days ago we lost banner at the top of the Safari page so now
> we have no Google search facility. Can any one advise please.
> Thanks Stewart Hookey
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From ricnev at mac.com  Fri Apr 24 10:28:35 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:28:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] No google search on Safari
In-Reply-To: <463D591F-F42E-44EA-BB0F-A9A3CD1BBF3C@mac.com>
References: <463D591F-F42E-44EA-BB0F-A9A3CD1BBF3C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4DFBB9A5-3F18-4576-9BC7-268B478D2D48@mac.com>

Another possibility is that you might have inadvertently dragged the  
Google search field off the window by dragging the little button to  
it's left away from the Safari window.

The remedy for this is to again head for the 'View' drop-down menu and  
select 'Customize Toolbar'. This presents you a little window showing  
all the gadgets you can have on your Safari window - you just need to  
drag the Address bar/Google search bar gadget to it's rightful place  
in your Safari toolbar.

Richard Nevill.


On 24 Apr 2009, at 09:58, Stewart Hookey wrote:

> Hi a few days ago we lost banner at the top of the Safari page so now
> we have no Google search facility. Can any one advise please.
> Thanks Stewart Hookey
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk  Fri Apr 24 10:48:59 2009
From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 10:48:59 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] No google search on Safari
In-Reply-To: <463D591F-F42E-44EA-BB0F-A9A3CD1BBF3C@mac.com>
References: <463D591F-F42E-44EA-BB0F-A9A3CD1BBF3C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C51424AE-7282-46BF-A3E2-2C9541FFACC7@mendelsohn.me.uk>

Hi

We have noticed the same - at first I thought it was something I had  
done when fiddling round with preferences etc! A relief to know  
someone else has the same issue. It is a nuisance though and any  
advice would be appreciated.

Phyll


On 24 Apr 2009, at 09:58, Stewart Hookey wrote:

> Hi a few days ago we lost banner at the top of the Safari page so now
> we have no Google search facility. Can any one advise please.
> Thanks Stewart Hookey
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



From macman at f2s.com  Fri Apr 24 11:43:55 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:43:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] No google search on Safari
In-Reply-To: <C51424AE-7282-46BF-A3E2-2C9541FFACC7@mendelsohn.me.uk>
References: <463D591F-F42E-44EA-BB0F-A9A3CD1BBF3C@mac.com>
	<C51424AE-7282-46BF-A3E2-2C9541FFACC7@mendelsohn.me.uk>
Message-ID: <C8D130ED-D8C2-4B99-A622-955F62DAF030@f2s.com>

I've never used it - my homepage is Google UK, and I have a homepage  
button in the toolbar.

By using this rather than the ready installed one in the toolbar, I  
always have the option to search the worls, or narrow it to UK sites  
only - very handy when looking to buy anything (and avoids the  
resentment of seeing how much cheaper kit can be in the States)

Doesn't work 100%, but I certainly prefer it, and of course with a  
customised iGoogle home page, I can have all sorts of useful stuff  
always to hand - Googlemail preview; News; Dictionary; Thesaurus; Unit  
Converter; Currency Converter; Sticky Notes; ToDo List, Maps; Weather;  
Maps; Routeplanners; Traffic; YouTube etc - truly personalised for my  
purposes.

If anyone is not familiar with it, just click 'Add Stuff' - there are  
thousands of elements you can use

Don't worry about breaking anything either - you can add whatever you  
choose, drag all the little screens around and re-arrange, then delete  
if you don't like it!

Robbie




On 24 Apr 2009, at 10:48, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote:

Hi

We have noticed the same - at first I thought it was something I had
done when fiddling round with preferences etc! A relief to know
someone else has the same issue. It is a nuisance though and any
advice would be appreciated.





From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Apr 24 11:46:25 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:46:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] No google search on Safari
In-Reply-To: <C8D130ED-D8C2-4B99-A622-955F62DAF030@f2s.com>
References: <463D591F-F42E-44EA-BB0F-A9A3CD1BBF3C@mac.com>
	<C51424AE-7282-46BF-A3E2-2C9541FFACC7@mendelsohn.me.uk>
	<C8D130ED-D8C2-4B99-A622-955F62DAF030@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <15D12960-0C01-4D55-B75E-318FDE3F0BDE@simonroyal.co.uk>

Robbie

I agree. iGoogle is great, instant access to all the feeds you need  
without going to each site.

Simon

On 24 Apr 2009, at 11:43, Robbie Murray wrote:

> I've never used it - my homepage is Google UK, and I have a homepage
> button in the toolbar.
>
> By using this rather than the ready installed one in the toolbar, I
> always have the option to search the worls, or narrow it to UK sites
> only - very handy when looking to buy anything (and avoids the
> resentment of seeing how much cheaper kit can be in the States)
>
> Doesn't work 100%, but I certainly prefer it, and of course with a
> customised iGoogle home page, I can have all sorts of useful stuff
> always to hand - Googlemail preview; News; Dictionary; Thesaurus; Unit
> Converter; Currency Converter; Sticky Notes; ToDo List, Maps; Weather;
> Maps; Routeplanners; Traffic; YouTube etc - truly personalised for my
> purposes.
>
> If anyone is not familiar with it, just click 'Add Stuff' - there are
> thousands of elements you can use
>
> Don't worry about breaking anything either - you can add whatever you
> choose, drag all the little screens around and re-arrange, then delete
> if you don't like it!
>
> Robbie
>
>
>
>
> On 24 Apr 2009, at 10:48, Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> We have noticed the same - at first I thought it was something I had
> done when fiddling round with preferences etc! A relief to know
> someone else has the same issue. It is a nuisance though and any
> advice would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From ricnev at mac.com  Fri Apr 24 11:50:14 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:50:14 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] tutorials
In-Reply-To: <F51EF199-E45D-4B5B-A639-19B5417D151A@mac.com>
References: <F51EF199-E45D-4B5B-A639-19B5417D151A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B35D11B0-7627-45FB-8201-2C474BC461E4@mac.com>

Hi, all.

Just thought I'd jot down a few thoughts on how we might arrange the  
first few sessions of the Apple Familiarisation courses. At this  
week's meeting I volunteered to run an initial course to set the scene  
and use it as a fact-gathering exercise to find out what people feel  
they want to get out of future sessions, and basically help people to  
understand the various Mac-centric facilities and opportunities there  
are around for people to find out how to do things and how to get help.

As Alan mentioned I'm happy to volunteer my projector and screen to  
help with the sessions - I got them originally for just this sort of  
thing when I was involved in the North Kent Amateur Computer club.

I also suggested at Wednesday's meeting that there were lots of  
resources around which would help us structure courses. Just for  
starters, I cobbled this together from the Mac 101 section of Apple's  
website:


Suggested Apple Mac Familiarisation course(s).

1.	Mac interface
		Finder
		Desktop
		Menu Bar
		Dock
		Applications, Files, Folders

2.	Basic Applications
		Essentials
		Address Book
		Dictionary
		Expose
		iCal
		 - and all the other stuff on: http://www.apple.com/support/mac101/work/

3.	Setting things up - Customisation
		http://www.apple.com/support/mac101/customize/

4.	Setting things up - Internet
		http://www.apple.com/support/mac101/connect/

5. 	Setting things up -  Peripherals
		http://www.apple.com/support/mac101/connect/

6.	Troubleshooting
		http://www.apple.com/support/mac101/help/
		(and, of course NMUG mailing list)


Apple's Mac 101 section words, pictures and videos would, I feel, be  
an ideal basis for our initial courses - even though people could go  
to these sections and study them by themselves, I think they would  
provide us with a good framework to kick things off - course attendees  
will hopefully give us feedback to inform us about the additional  
information and advice they feel they need.

There are similar resources out there for the other courses that have  
been requested - Apple's website has lots of similar tutorial  
materials for their standard applications and there are a lot of  
tutorials around on the basics of Photoshop for instance.

Hope this helps to move things along. Comments gratefully received.

Richard Nevill.
On 23 Apr 2009, at 21:20, Alan Barber wrote:

> There were only 7 of us at the meeting last evening but the idea of
> courses was discussed in length.
>
> Paul Durrant felt it was important to have the courses well  
> structured.
>
> A good start would be the Finder in Mac OS 10 5 and we have
> someone with a laptop, projector and screen.
>
> If someone would like to volunteer to run this we have a venue in St
> Matthews Church Hall
> Telegraph Lane West, Thorpe Hamlet Norwich.
> This has ample parking, kitchen facilities, and is fairly central. The
> costs could be split between the attendees.


Alan, could you find out if the Church Hall has WiFi? Almost an  
essential, I'd think, although  if Apple got their act together with  
tethering iPhones...


>
>
> If a volunteer makes themselves know I will offer some dates for the
> first course.
>
> After the 1st one we could decide what to study next.
>
> Regards
>
> Alan
> 		
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From kelvinyoungs at mac.com  Fri Apr 24 11:54:46 2009
From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:54:46 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] tutorials
In-Reply-To: <B35D11B0-7627-45FB-8201-2C474BC461E4@mac.com>
References: <F51EF199-E45D-4B5B-A639-19B5417D151A@mac.com>
	<B35D11B0-7627-45FB-8201-2C474BC461E4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <9562554E-FFED-4EEA-A835-13B2295A13B7@mac.com>

Thanks Richard and you can put me down for the course!
Have to think about a charge for people - start up a kitty etc.

Kelvin
  Vos vestros servate, meos mihi linquite mores.
  - You cling to your own ways and leave mine to me. (Petrarch)



From macman at f2s.com  Fri Apr 24 11:56:37 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:56:37 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Did someone say the iPhone isn't that clever?
Message-ID: <4AF4B891-DC17-43CC-B70B-374440F4467D@f2s.com>

http://tinyurl.com/c3lw78

From Interjay2 at btinternet.com  Fri Apr 24 12:30:36 2009
From: Interjay2 at btinternet.com (Peter James)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:30:36 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] tutorials
References: <F51EF199-E45D-4B5B-A639-19B5417D151A@mac.com>
	<B35D11B0-7627-45FB-8201-2C474BC461E4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5567A02C0E5D465AB2A85C95E45FE448@fujitsu>

As an Apple newbie, all this sounds good to me, although we may find that 
meeting 1 will be more about establishing  where we all are on the knowledge 
train.
Looking forward,
Peter J

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Nevill" <ricnev at mac.com>
To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Sent: Friday, April 24, 2009 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [NMUG] tutorials


> Hi, all.
>
> Just thought I'd jot down a few thoughts on how we might arrange the
> first few sessions of the Apple Familiarisation courses. At this
> week's meeting I volunteered to run an initial course to set the scene
> and use it as a fact-gathering exercise to find out what people feel
> they want to get out of future sessions, and basically help people to
> understand the various Mac-centric facilities and opportunities there
> are around for people to find out how to do things and how to get help.
>
> As Alan mentioned I'm happy to volunteer my projector and screen to
> help with the sessions - I got them originally for just this sort of
> thing when I was involved in the North Kent Amateur Computer club.
>
> I also suggested at Wednesday's meeting that there were lots of
> resources around which would help us structure courses. Just for
> starters, I cobbled this together from the Mac 101 section of Apple's
> website:
>
>
> Suggested Apple Mac Familiarisation course(s).
>
> 1. Mac interface
> Finder
> Desktop
> Menu Bar
> Dock
> Applications, Files, Folders
>
> 2. Basic Applications
> Essentials
> Address Book
> Dictionary
> Expose
> iCal
> - and all the other stuff on: http://www.apple.com/support/mac101/work/
>
> 3. Setting things up - Customisation
> http://www.apple.com/support/mac101/customize/
>
> 4. Setting things up - Internet
> http://www.apple.com/support/mac101/connect/
>
> 5. Setting things up -  Peripherals
> http://www.apple.com/support/mac101/connect/
>
> 6. Troubleshooting
> http://www.apple.com/support/mac101/help/
> (and, of course NMUG mailing list)
>
>
> Apple's Mac 101 section words, pictures and videos would, I feel, be
> an ideal basis for our initial courses - even though people could go
> to these sections and study them by themselves, I think they would
> provide us with a good framework to kick things off - course attendees
> will hopefully give us feedback to inform us about the additional
> information and advice they feel they need.
>
> There are similar resources out there for the other courses that have
> been requested - Apple's website has lots of similar tutorial
> materials for their standard applications and there are a lot of
> tutorials around on the basics of Photoshop for instance.
>
> Hope this helps to move things along. Comments gratefully received.
>
> Richard Nevill.
> On 23 Apr 2009, at 21:20, Alan Barber wrote:
>
>> There were only 7 of us at the meeting last evening but the idea of
>> courses was discussed in length.
>>
>> Paul Durrant felt it was important to have the courses well
>> structured.
>>
>> A good start would be the Finder in Mac OS 10 5 and we have
>> someone with a laptop, projector and screen.
>>
>> If someone would like to volunteer to run this we have a venue in St
>> Matthews Church Hall
>> Telegraph Lane West, Thorpe Hamlet Norwich.
>> This has ample parking, kitchen facilities, and is fairly central. The
>> costs could be split between the attendees.
>
>
> Alan, could you find out if the Church Hall has WiFi? Almost an
> essential, I'd think, although  if Apple got their act together with
> tethering iPhones...
>
>
>>
>>
>> If a volunteer makes themselves know I will offer some dates for the
>> first course.
>>
>> After the 1st one we could decide what to study next.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


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From ricnev at mac.com  Fri Apr 24 12:41:17 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:41:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] tutorials
In-Reply-To: <5567A02C0E5D465AB2A85C95E45FE448@fujitsu>
References: <F51EF199-E45D-4B5B-A639-19B5417D151A@mac.com>
	<B35D11B0-7627-45FB-8201-2C474BC461E4@mac.com>
	<5567A02C0E5D465AB2A85C95E45FE448@fujitsu>
Message-ID: <0AC15F16-584E-4A70-A553-3772C14476EF@mac.com>

Yes, that's how I see the first session - as a get to know where we  
are at exercise so that we can find out where we need to go from here.

Like most/all courses, the attendees will have come to the course with  
a whole spectrum of expectations - we have to cater for both the total  
newbie and also maintain the interest of those who have gained a bit  
more knowledge about the OSX platform and it's facilities and  
capabilities.

Richard Nevill.


On 24 Apr 2009, at 12:30, Peter James wrote:

> As an Apple newbie, all this sounds good to me, although we may find  
> that
> meeting 1 will be more about establishing  where we all are on the  
> knowledge
> train.
> Looking forward,
> Peter J



From june.perrett at mac.com  Fri Apr 24 14:30:13 2009
From: june.perrett at mac.com (June Perrett)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:30:13 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Tutorials/Apple Mac familiarisation
Message-ID: <51CE43F0-4388-4114-BD8D-EFC9753337AC@mac.com>

It was good to read that Richard Nevill has offered to run the first  
course.

Thank you Richard. What you suggested as a starting point sounds good.  
I'm happy with it and would like to be on the initial course.

Thank you for mentioning Mac 101 and the various links to click on. I  
didn't realise there was all that help out there.

I made a list of the people interested in training courses. Would you  
like me to continue with this? If so, I'll post an updated list every  
so often.

If St Matthews Church hall has WiFi shall we bring our laptops/ 
computers and extension leads for the first session?

Regards
June
01603 505297




  


From jinshinjewels at googlemail.com  Fri Apr 24 14:35:32 2009
From: jinshinjewels at googlemail.com (Jules Slaughter)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:35:32 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Tutorials/Apple Mac familiarisation
In-Reply-To: <51CE43F0-4388-4114-BD8D-EFC9753337AC@mac.com>
References: <51CE43F0-4388-4114-BD8D-EFC9753337AC@mac.com>
Message-ID: <adb0e98a0904240635l3b2db2c1qa14a11dd811e6e5b@mail.gmail.com>

Dear June and Richard

I would like to be on the first session whatever the topics are.  If I
could be greedy and say Monday's is my day off so a Monday night would
be really convenient for me, or a Friday but I guess Fridays would be
a poor attendance day.

Looking forward to it.

Regards

Jules




On 4/24/09, June Perrett <june.perrett at mac.com> wrote:
> It was good to read that Richard Nevill has offered to run the first
>  course.
>
>  Thank you Richard. What you suggested as a starting point sounds good.
>  I'm happy with it and would like to be on the initial course.
>
>  Thank you for mentioning Mac 101 and the various links to click on. I
>  didn't realise there was all that help out there.
>
>  I made a list of the people interested in training courses. Would you
>  like me to continue with this? If so, I'll post an updated list every
>  so often.
>
>  If St Matthews Church hall has WiFi shall we bring our laptops/
>  computers and extension leads for the first session?
>
>  Regards
>  June
>  01603 505297
>
>
>
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  NMUG mailing list
>  NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>  http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>


-- 
Jules

CalmClasses & Therapies
to improve your health.

My business works on referrals.
If you like what I do, please tell others.
If not, please tell me.


From hookeys at mac.com  Fri Apr 24 14:36:12 2009
From: hookeys at mac.com (Stewart Hookey)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:36:12 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Google issue
Message-ID: <419ABB00-8A90-4704-9D72-3B3243C1A022@mac.com>

Thanks Richard and everyone else who replied.  Everything is now  
restored and works fine but we still have the little bug symbol  
showing in the top left hand corner!
thanks again
Stewart Hookey


From macman at f2s.com  Fri Apr 24 14:58:25 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 14:58:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Tutorials/Apple Mac familiarisation
In-Reply-To: <51CE43F0-4388-4114-BD8D-EFC9753337AC@mac.com>
References: <51CE43F0-4388-4114-BD8D-EFC9753337AC@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8065C989-D4B9-4164-905D-A27C5D7039BE@f2s.com>

You may also find Apple Quick Tips helpful - beautifully produced  
little video podcasts covering all sorts of subjects, some basic, some  
advanced.

In iTunes, just go to 'podcasts', click 'Podcast Directory' and when  
it opens, search for 'Apple Quick Tips' and subscribe.

They'll download automatically and you can view them simply by double  
clicking.

Will also play on your iPod under 'video'

Robbie





On 24 Apr 2009, at 14:30, June Perrett wrote:

Thank you for mentioning Mac 101 and the various links to click on. I
didn't realise there was all that help out there.



_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
NMUG at durrant.co.uk
http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From jinshinjewels at googlemail.com  Fri Apr 24 15:35:24 2009
From: jinshinjewels at googlemail.com (Jules Slaughter)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:35:24 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Tutorials/Apple Mac familiarisation
In-Reply-To: <8065C989-D4B9-4164-905D-A27C5D7039BE@f2s.com>
References: <51CE43F0-4388-4114-BD8D-EFC9753337AC@mac.com>
	<8065C989-D4B9-4164-905D-A27C5D7039BE@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <adb0e98a0904240735o6012faf8j4fc9a6dfee0c635e@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Robbie

ipod??!!  itunes?  How do they work......!!!   Haven't ventured to
ipods yet....!!  Still trying to switch on the Mac!!   However, I will
venture into the unknown of itunes and see what I can find.

Many thanks.

Jules

On 4/24/09, Robbie Murray <macman at f2s.com> wrote:
> You may also find Apple Quick Tips helpful - beautifully produced
>  little video podcasts covering all sorts of subjects, some basic, some
>  advanced.
>
>  In iTunes, just go to 'podcasts', click 'Podcast Directory' and when
>  it opens, search for 'Apple Quick Tips' and subscribe.
>
>  They'll download automatically and you can view them simply by double
>  clicking.
>
>  Will also play on your iPod under 'video'
>
>
>  Robbie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  On 24 Apr 2009, at 14:30, June Perrett wrote:
>
>  Thank you for mentioning Mac 101 and the various links to click on. I
>  didn't realise there was all that help out there.
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>  NMUG mailing list
>  NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>  http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  NMUG mailing list
>  NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>  http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>


-- 
Jules

CalmClasses & Therapies
to improve your health.

My business works on referrals.
If you like what I do, please tell others.
If not, please tell me.


From alanbarber at mac.com  Fri Apr 24 16:00:28 2009
From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:00:28 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] tuition
Message-ID: <C0164186-E323-4687-B774-FCB799F552FC@mac.com>

Have spoken to the vicar of St Matthews who has broadband
and has no objection to us adding a wireless router.

Regards

Alan
		



From macman at f2s.com  Fri Apr 24 16:20:07 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:20:07 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Tutorials/Apple Mac familiarisation
In-Reply-To: <adb0e98a0904240735o6012faf8j4fc9a6dfee0c635e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51CE43F0-4388-4114-BD8D-EFC9753337AC@mac.com>
	<8065C989-D4B9-4164-905D-A27C5D7039BE@f2s.com>
	<adb0e98a0904240735o6012faf8j4fc9a6dfee0c635e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AC9F85AB-5259-4067-A285-07AD7EBC722A@f2s.com>

This may help ....

http://www.apple.com/itunes/tutorials/

Don't be frightened - it's pretty hard to break anything!

Everything I know about Apple kit and the OS (from the Apple ll in  
1984) I learned by exploration, trial & error, and I know I'm not  
alone ....

Enjoy!

Robbie



On 24 Apr 2009, at 15:35, Jules Slaughter wrote:

Dear Robbie

ipod??!!  itunes?  How do they work......!!!   Haven't ventured to
ipods yet....!!  Still trying to switch on the Mac!!   However, I will
venture into the unknown of itunes and see what I can find.

Many thanks.

Jules

On 4/24/09, Robbie Murray <macman at f2s.com> wrote:
> You may also find Apple Quick Tips helpful - beautifully produced
> little video podcasts covering all sorts of subjects, some basic, some
> advanced.
>
> In iTunes, just go to 'podcasts', click 'Podcast Directory' and when
> it opens, search for 'Apple Quick Tips' and subscribe.
>
> They'll download automatically and you can view them simply by double
> clicking.
>
> Will also play on your iPod under 'video'
>
>
> Robbie
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 24 Apr 2009, at 14:30, June Perrett wrote:
>
> Thank you for mentioning Mac 101 and the various links to click on. I
> didn't realise there was all that help out there.
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>


-- 
Jules

CalmClasses & Therapies
to improve your health.

My business works on referrals.
If you like what I do, please tell others.
If not, please tell me.
_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
NMUG at durrant.co.uk
http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com  Fri Apr 24 16:41:18 2009
From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (Simon Bainbridge)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:41:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Matched RAM
In-Reply-To: <87A05E47-E5E0-45F1-BCD7-335422A88E76@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <87A05E47-E5E0-45F1-BCD7-335422A88E76@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <F37CFA9C-FEF2-49E2-B0BD-F4CEB47B8454@googlemail.com>

Simon

Yes you get a slight benefit from using matched pairs of RAM usually a  
up to 20% difference in performance.

When I mean matched pairs, I mean buying 2 sticks of RAM  that were  
produced by same manufacturer at the same time. Also they are the same  
memory size.

Some people think of matched pairs as 2 sticks of RAM from the same  
manufacturer but bought separately. This is not matched pairs as they  
were not manufactured from the same time but will still work fine  
without the extra performance benefits.

Simon Bainbridge

On 24 Apr 2009, at 09:33, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> Is there any benefit of using matched RAM in a PowerBook G4?
>
> I have two, my lovely 867Mhz and a 400Mhz (I picked up off Steven). I
> have maxxed both of them with 2x512MB sticks in each.
>
> The 400Mhz now has a matched pair, but my 867Mhz has two different
> sorts.
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Apr 24 17:11:22 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:11:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Matched RAM
In-Reply-To: <F37CFA9C-FEF2-49E2-B0BD-F4CEB47B8454@googlemail.com>
References: <87A05E47-E5E0-45F1-BCD7-335422A88E76@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<F37CFA9C-FEF2-49E2-B0BD-F4CEB47B8454@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <D0539A79-B3A3-4F06-A29C-21895227F674@simonroyal.co.uk>

Simon

Well according to XBench there was a 4% increase in performance and  
GeekBench showed a 1% increase.

Nothing major, but 4% is 4%. It all helps on Low End Macs.

Simon


On 24 Apr 2009, at 16:41, Simon Bainbridge wrote:

> Simon
>
> Yes you get a slight benefit from using matched pairs of RAM usually a
> up to 20% difference in performance.
>
> When I mean matched pairs, I mean buying 2 sticks of RAM  that were
> produced by same manufacturer at the same time. Also they are the same
> memory size.
>
> Some people think of matched pairs as 2 sticks of RAM from the same
> manufacturer but bought separately. This is not matched pairs as they
> were not manufactured from the same time but will still work fine
> without the extra performance benefits.
>
> Simon Bainbridge
>
> On 24 Apr 2009, at 09:33, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Is there any benefit of using matched RAM in a PowerBook G4?
>>
>> I have two, my lovely 867Mhz and a 400Mhz (I picked up off Steven). I
>> have maxxed both of them with 2x512MB sticks in each.
>>
>> The 400Mhz now has a matched pair, but my 867Mhz has two different
>> sorts.
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From ricnev at mac.com  Fri Apr 24 17:33:28 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:33:28 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Tutorials/Apple Mac familiarisation
In-Reply-To: <51CE43F0-4388-4114-BD8D-EFC9753337AC@mac.com>
References: <51CE43F0-4388-4114-BD8D-EFC9753337AC@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B4126049-3D30-4AD1-8354-F3F1E866AABF@mac.com>


On 24 Apr 2009, at 14:30, June Perrett wrote:

>
>
> I made a list of the people interested in training courses. Would you
> like me to continue with this? If so, I'll post an updated list every
> so often.


Yes please - I think that will be very helpful.


>
>
> If St Matthews Church hall has WiFi shall we bring our laptops/
> computers and extension leads for the first session?

As I will be using a projector and screen, it won't be essential for  
people to bring their own machines to the first  session, although  
some people like to reinforce what they see by following along or by  
taking notes etc.

I also see the first session as being very general - more of a fact  
finding talking shop to establish what particular tutoring the  
audience needs and at what level -  so we probably won't be getting to  
the stage where much structured tutoring is occurring at this meeting.

Apparently the Church does have broadband, but from what Alan says we  
will need to set up a WiFi network if we want the freedom to connect  
anyone/anywhere in the hall.


Richard Nevill.






From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com  Fri Apr 24 17:38:33 2009
From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (Simon Bainbridge)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:38:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Matched RAM
In-Reply-To: <D0539A79-B3A3-4F06-A29C-21895227F674@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <87A05E47-E5E0-45F1-BCD7-335422A88E76@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<F37CFA9C-FEF2-49E2-B0BD-F4CEB47B8454@googlemail.com>
	<D0539A79-B3A3-4F06-A29C-21895227F674@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1D86EA9E-A29B-4A77-B490-4CDE730232D8@googlemail.com>

Simon

I agree any increase in performance is good on any Mac.

The performance increase on the matched pairs does vary and one of the  
main factors in the increase is the quality of the RAM i.e.the  
manufacturer Cosair vs budget unbranded

Simon

On 24 Apr 2009, at 17:11, Simon Royal wrote:

> Simon
>
> Well according to XBench there was a 4% increase in performance and
> GeekBench showed a 1% increase.
>
> Nothing major, but 4% is 4%. It all helps on Low End Macs.
>
> Simon
>
>
> On 24 Apr 2009, at 16:41, Simon Bainbridge wrote:
>
>> Simon
>>
>> Yes you get a slight benefit from using matched pairs of RAM  
>> usually a
>> up to 20% difference in performance.
>>
>> When I mean matched pairs, I mean buying 2 sticks of RAM  that were
>> produced by same manufacturer at the same time. Also they are the  
>> same
>> memory size.
>>
>> Some people think of matched pairs as 2 sticks of RAM from the same
>> manufacturer but bought separately. This is not matched pairs as they
>> were not manufactured from the same time but will still work fine
>> without the extra performance benefits.
>>
>> Simon Bainbridge
>>
>> On 24 Apr 2009, at 09:33, Simon Royal wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Is there any benefit of using matched RAM in a PowerBook G4?
>>>
>>> I have two, my lovely 867Mhz and a 400Mhz (I picked up off  
>>> Steven). I
>>> have maxxed both of them with 2x512MB sticks in each.
>>>
>>> The 400Mhz now has a matched pair, but my 867Mhz has two different
>>> sorts.
>>>
>>> Simon Royal
>>> ---
>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
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>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
> Simon Royal
> ---
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> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
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From 2003r2tech at googlemail.com  Fri Apr 24 17:59:49 2009
From: 2003r2tech at googlemail.com (Simon Bainbridge)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 17:59:49 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Apple Memorabilia
Message-ID: <A0DC2AA3-D900-4819-80BA-E794370ACC86@googlemail.com>

Hi all

I thought you might be interested to this post and the links off it.  
Especially you Simon!

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=3753

This is quite a sad story but an amazing amount of Apple stuff.

Simon Bainbridge



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Apr 24 18:47:05 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:47:05 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Matched RAM
In-Reply-To: <1D86EA9E-A29B-4A77-B490-4CDE730232D8@googlemail.com>
References: <87A05E47-E5E0-45F1-BCD7-335422A88E76@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<F37CFA9C-FEF2-49E2-B0BD-F4CEB47B8454@googlemail.com>
	<D0539A79-B3A3-4F06-A29C-21895227F674@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<1D86EA9E-A29B-4A77-B490-4CDE730232D8@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <0665B497-8899-4E84-A1DD-6560D38B3944@simonroyal.co.uk>

Simon

Moving from 768MB of RAM to 1GB gave a 5% increase in performance, so  
moving to 1GB of matched has upped that to 9%.

When working with older machines, this is a big deal.

Simon

On 24 Apr 2009, at 17:38, Simon Bainbridge wrote:

> Simon
>
> I agree any increase in performance is good on any Mac.
>
> The performance increase on the matched pairs does vary and one of the
> main factors in the increase is the quality of the RAM i.e.the
> manufacturer Cosair vs budget unbranded
>
> Simon
>
> On 24 Apr 2009, at 17:11, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> Simon
>>
>> Well according to XBench there was a 4% increase in performance and
>> GeekBench showed a 1% increase.
>>
>> Nothing major, but 4% is 4%. It all helps on Low End Macs.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
>> On 24 Apr 2009, at 16:41, Simon Bainbridge wrote:
>>
>>> Simon
>>>
>>> Yes you get a slight benefit from using matched pairs of RAM
>>> usually a
>>> up to 20% difference in performance.
>>>
>>> When I mean matched pairs, I mean buying 2 sticks of RAM  that were
>>> produced by same manufacturer at the same time. Also they are the
>>> same
>>> memory size.
>>>
>>> Some people think of matched pairs as 2 sticks of RAM from the same
>>> manufacturer but bought separately. This is not matched pairs as  
>>> they
>>> were not manufactured from the same time but will still work fine
>>> without the extra performance benefits.
>>>
>>> Simon Bainbridge
>>>
>>> On 24 Apr 2009, at 09:33, Simon Royal wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> Is there any benefit of using matched RAM in a PowerBook G4?
>>>>
>>>> I have two, my lovely 867Mhz and a 400Mhz (I picked up off
>>>> Steven). I
>>>> have maxxed both of them with 2x512MB sticks in each.
>>>>
>>>> The 400Mhz now has a matched pair, but my 867Mhz has two different
>>>> sorts.
>>>>
>>>> Simon Royal
>>>> ---
>>>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>>>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>>>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NMUG mailing list
>>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>>
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Apr 24 19:09:10 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 19:09:10 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Race For Release
Message-ID: <DF625041-804A-4F60-A347-D03514C13747@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

Apple have sent another beta to developers of Mac OSX 10.6 this week -  
that is the second this month. From past versions of OSX, Apple  
rapidly sent updated betas when they were close to a final version. So  
could we see a final release shortly?

Coincidently, a Release Candidate for Windows 7 has been leaked on  
torrent sites too. Previous versions of Windows have had one or two  
Release Candidates before final release.

So could we see a race for release between the two OSes?

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From ricnev at mac.com  Fri Apr 24 20:12:51 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:12:51 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Google issue
In-Reply-To: <419ABB00-8A90-4704-9D72-3B3243C1A022@mac.com>
References: <419ABB00-8A90-4704-9D72-3B3243C1A022@mac.com>
Message-ID: <334FF102-FF3F-49FE-8FA3-FCD18B1FFD40@mac.com>


On 24 Apr 2009, at 14:36, Stewart Hookey wrote:

>  Everything is now
> restored and works fine but we still have the little bug symbol
> showing in the top left hand corner!


Just select 'Customise Toolbar' from the 'View' drop-down menu, then  
you can drag the little bug symbol off the toolbar into the gadget  
window. You'll get a very satisfying special effect when you get it  
right!

Richard.



From tobiasarnup at onetel.com  Fri Apr 24 21:51:12 2009
From: tobiasarnup at onetel.com (Tobias Arnup)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 21:51:12 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Tutorials/Apple Mac familiarisation
In-Reply-To: <51CE43F0-4388-4114-BD8D-EFC9753337AC@mac.com>
References: <51CE43F0-4388-4114-BD8D-EFC9753337AC@mac.com>
Message-ID: <72CBF3B1-3BD8-4FF1-9FE6-20F61ECEB2DE@onetel.com>

I like the idea of a course such as that suggested by Richard.
Please count me in June
regards
Tobias
>
>
> I made a list of the people interested in training courses. Would you
> like me to continue with this? If so, I'll post an updated list every
> so often.
>


From mercer at gotadsl.co.uk  Fri Apr 24 22:45:27 2009
From: mercer at gotadsl.co.uk (Valerie Mercer)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:45:27 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Tutorials/Apple Mac familiarisation
In-Reply-To: <72CBF3B1-3BD8-4FF1-9FE6-20F61ECEB2DE@onetel.com>
References: <51CE43F0-4388-4114-BD8D-EFC9753337AC@mac.com>
	<72CBF3B1-3BD8-4FF1-9FE6-20F61ECEB2DE@onetel.com>
Message-ID: <F5B56A00-668F-4330-B619-A37C9811DF22@gotadsl.co.uk>

June

I have 2 neighbours who have recently bought Macs. They're both  
absolute beginners - new to computers, not just Macs. Both could do  
with rather more than my ad hoc teaching. Could they be added to the  
list, please, although they're not strictly members. (Could probably  
persuade them to join, if necessary.)
I'd also like to be included.

Valerie

On 24 Apr 2009, at 21:51, Tobias Arnup wrote:

I like the idea of a course such as that suggested by Richard.
Please count me in June
regards
Tobias
>
>
> I made a list of the people interested in training courses. Would you
> like me to continue with this? If so, I'll post an updated list every
> so often.
>
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From lizbarnard at btinternet.com  Sat Apr 25 00:49:26 2009
From: lizbarnard at btinternet.com (Liz)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 00:49:26 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Training courses
Message-ID: <C6180E96.74FC%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>

Please put me down for absolutely anything!

Liz barnard


From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Sat Apr 25 09:13:02 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 09:13:02 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Tutorials/Apple Mac familiarisation
In-Reply-To: <AC9F85AB-5259-4067-A285-07AD7EBC722A@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <C618849E.28F24%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

My intuition resonated with this - but then I thought - what are the things
that you can do that CAN mess up? (at least on the software level - which
can always be fixed - EXCEPT loss of personal unbacked up files (its all
often called data).

1. Over assertive "tidying up".

There is a mentality that we can all exhibit in claiming ownership of a
space. To make it how we want it to be and to get rid of what we do not
want.

This can lead to moving things from their proper place or removing things
that are in fact necessary.

In Mac OSX, the user You - is one among many levels of command - even if you
are the only person using it. Until you have a sense of where your territory
ends and begins - resist and refrain from 'tidying up' files that are not in
your immediate user space and even some that are!

So where is your space?
It is designated to be inside the Users/ folder and has your name (usually)
and is given a house symbol 'Home' when you are logged in as you.

BUT

you have to share this to some extent.
The Library within it (there are others on your whole system that are not
your USER LIBRARY) is choc a bloc with thousands of files which initially
and for the most part you could say - just leave alone unless instructed
specifically by trusted source - (say in dealing with a problem).

And also - other programs - also called applications or apps - put various
files that they need in order to work or to offer functionality - into your
Documents folder. (see the way we show the 'path' to the

/Users/MyHomeFolder/Documents

This can also be shown as
~/Documents
where ~ indicated YOUR user home folder or directory (both mean same thing:
a container).

If you add programs to your computer - you will start to see various files
appear in your User space - such as Microsoft User Data if you use MS
Office.
You need to just accept most of such things until you know what is what.
For in some cases these files or folders can contain important things.

So where can you order all things as you would have them be?

Answer - in any folders that you make within your home space.
You can use Desktop - but crowding this CAN slow down screen redrawing.

~/Documents
    Mystuff/
            Work/
            Play/
            And the Rest/

And you can use the designated folders for music, photos, documents to make
your file and folder structures as desired.

If in doubt about deleting anything - you can make a temporary folder called
'to trash?' or similar and just put it there in case you find soon after
that in fact it was important.

In modern Macs saving disk space is not usually an issue to start with.

I recommend channelling your urge to tidy and control everything into a
willingness to cooperate with the 'way things work' as you discover what
that is.

Mac OSX is generally very forgiving - more like a New Testament God than an
Old Testament God - but if you go reorganising or spring cleaning files -
especially those outside your Home folder - then you can cut off your own
support - and might have to reinstall the system at the worst case scenario
- which though not difficult - has to be soberly undertaken because - in all
of this the thing that can be damaged or lost is your personal data - or
indeed your TIME and ATTENTION - which if you hire someone - can also be
your money.

hope this helps

Maybe others might feel to offer or extend guidance as to identifying the
things Not to do - because once you know these you can be freer (less
fearful) in what you do Do.

regards
Brian

Robbie Murray said recently:

> Don't be frightened - it's pretty hard to break anything!




From hookeys at mac.com  Sat Apr 25 09:17:46 2009
From: hookeys at mac.com (Stewart Hookey)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 09:17:46 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] google issue
Message-ID: <8794E5B2-04CF-423C-ACC7-1A06A0815F75@mac.com>

Fully resolved many thanks.
Stewart Hookey


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat Apr 25 10:31:33 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 10:31:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Rule Test
Message-ID: <FAAECCEA-1653-4D68-A3A2-151AD37B181A@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

Please ignore this. I am just testing out my rules in Mail.

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat Apr 25 12:14:43 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 12:14:43 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Laptop USB Speakers Or Mod
Message-ID: <0ABDBAD2-B5C9-43E2-97A0-47D99732F900@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I am looking for a set of speakers I could plug into my PowerBook.  
They need to be fairly good sounding, but I also wanted them so I  
could preferably mount them on the lid of my PowerBook.

In my head I was thinking something that looks like the Nintendo Wii  
sensor bar that sits on top of your TV. Obviously they would need to  
be shielded and have a 3.5mm jack on them to plug into my PowerBook.

If they needed to be powered then USB powered.

Anyone have any recommendations?

I was thinking of modding the lid of my PowerBook and placing some  
speakers in there and connecting them internally through the hinges of  
the screen and soldering them somewhere internally so I would have  
extra speakers and sound in the back of the lid (four in total  
including the two already). That way I could use the PowerBook in lid  
closed mode and still listen to music.

Would this be too much of a power drain?

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat Apr 25 12:18:39 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 12:18:39 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Is Flock Slow For You?
Message-ID: <23F1DC20-5F8F-414A-B3A3-B3214B5D9ED7@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

Every so often I dip back to using Flock as a web browser. It is just  
Firefox with a few 'social' add-ons built in.

Last time I used it and it was a bit slow - but then I was using it on  
a G3 and the minimum requirements suggest a G4. So now I am using a  
mid range G4 I thought I would give it a go again. However, it is  
incredibly slow.

I opened 8 tabs in Flock and it ground to a halt and scrolling down  
the pages was agonising. I did the same in Firefox and it handled the  
8 tabs no problem and scrolling down them was a breeze, even before  
most of them had finished loading properly.

Does anyone else find Flock slow?

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From ricnev at mac.com  Sat Apr 25 12:48:53 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 12:48:53 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Laptop USB Speakers Or Mod
In-Reply-To: <0ABDBAD2-B5C9-43E2-97A0-47D99732F900@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <0ABDBAD2-B5C9-43E2-97A0-47D99732F900@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <671A0EE7-3490-4F18-82B1-AF6FB42513C1@mac.com>

It all depends how much you want to pay and how much fidelity you want.

These two are cheap and midrange examples of the sort of thing you  
might be able to use:

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/speakers_audio/home_pc_speakers/devices/3503&cl=gb,en
http://www.oyyy.co.uk/product.php/70184/genius-sp-i200u-portable-speakers--white-?CAWELAID=243007944

Richard.


On 25 Apr 2009, at 12:14, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> I am looking for a set of speakers I could plug into my PowerBook.
> They need to be fairly good sounding, but I also wanted them so I
> could preferably mount them on the lid of my PowerBook.
>
> In my head I was thinking something that looks like the Nintendo Wii
> sensor bar that sits on top of your TV. Obviously they would need to
> be shielded and have a 3.5mm jack on them to plug into my PowerBook.
>
> If they needed to be powered then USB powered.
>
> Anyone have any recommendations?
>
> I was thinking of modding the lid of my PowerBook and placing some
> speakers in there and connecting them internally through the hinges of
> the screen and soldering them somewhere internally so I would have
> extra speakers and sound in the back of the lid (four in total
> including the two already). That way I could use the PowerBook in lid
> closed mode and still listen to music.
>
> Would this be too much of a power drain?
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
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From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Sat Apr 25 13:33:32 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 13:33:32 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Obsessive Compulsive Disorder 1.0
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1240657201.99814.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.1.1240657201.99814.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <FBFD4D82-DEA6-4D2F-988A-E65406215C46@gmail.com>



> From: Brian Steere <brian at clearlight.uk.net>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Tutorials/Apple Mac familiarisation
>
>
> My intuition resonated with this - but then I thought - what are the  
> things
> that you can do that CAN mess up? (at least on the software level -  
> which
> can always be fixed - EXCEPT loss of personal unbacked up files (its  
> all
> often called data).


Thankyou for this thoughtful piece

From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Sat Apr 25 20:40:08 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 20:40:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Obsessive Compulsive Disorder 1.0
In-Reply-To: <FBFD4D82-DEA6-4D2F-988A-E65406215C46@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C61925A8.28F8C%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

I don't feel very local in Wells-next-the-Sea regarding the tuition
opportunities but such as I can I am willing to offer.
I know i have a lot more fun in opening up an enabling approach than simply
offering a 'how to' - though there are no standard users and differenr folk
need very different approaches - I find.

There's more on what is likely to cause problems - and there could be tips
on how to try things out without messing up or getting lost.
And when curiosity can bring the discovery of new abilities and when it can
be a cause of messing up one's system.

But I haven't the time just now...

all the best
Brian

stefan youngs said recently:

> 
> 
>> From: Brian Steere <brian at clearlight.uk.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Tutorials/Apple Mac familiarisation
>> 
>> 
>> My intuition resonated with this - but then I thought - what are the
>> things
>> that you can do that CAN mess up? (at least on the software level -
>> which
>> can always be fixed - EXCEPT loss of personal unbacked up files (its
>> all
>> often called data).
> 
> 
> Thankyou for this thoughtful piece
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat Apr 25 22:31:03 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 22:31:03 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard Still Has Rosetta
Message-ID: <FgrGdvVgCY2L.lNmdzr5s@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

Interestingly, Snow Leopard will still feature Rosetta. The latest beta featured fixes to Rosetta.

I thought that Apple would have ditched it in their 'lets purge everything PowerPC' and keep it all Intel code.

Simon

--- visit my Mac site http://www.simonroyal.co.uk or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal' (sent using Nokia E71)



From rob at atvetsystems.com  Sun Apr 26 00:21:10 2009
From: rob at atvetsystems.com (Robert Tillyard)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 00:21:10 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard Still Has Rosetta
In-Reply-To: <FgrGdvVgCY2L.lNmdzr5s@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <FgrGdvVgCY2L.lNmdzr5s@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <9193E4B1-561E-4851-B2CC-7869ED5BAE4E@atvetsystems.com>

They could still make Snow Leopard Intel only but still support  
Rosetta. That would mean you need an Intel machine to install Snow  
Leopard on but you can still run PPC apps on  it.

Regards, Rob.

On 25 Apr 2009, at 22:31, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> Interestingly, Snow Leopard will still feature Rosetta. The latest  
> beta featured fixes to Rosetta.
>
> I thought that Apple would have ditched it in their 'lets purge  
> everything PowerPC' and keep it all Intel code.
>
> Simon



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Apr 26 09:33:11 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 09:33:11 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard Still Has Rosetta
Message-ID: <XM500nLTh7mY.yKtZsnKn@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Robert

Yes. I know Snow Leopard is 99% likely to be Intel only. I was just surprised to see Rosetta in it.

I would have thought Apple would have lost it, in 10.6. Most apps are now Universal Binary or even Intel only now and have been for a long time.

Simon

--- visit my Mac site http://www.simonroyal.co.uk or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal' (sent using Nokia E71)

-original message-
Subject: Re: [NMUG] Snow Leopard Still Has Rosetta
From: Robert Tillyard <rob at atvetsystems.com>
Date: 26/04/2009 00:21

They could still make Snow Leopard Intel only but still support  
Rosetta. That would mean you need an Intel machine to install Snow  
Leopard on but you can still run PPC apps on  it.

Regards, Rob.

On 25 Apr 2009, at 22:31, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> Interestingly, Snow Leopard will still feature Rosetta. The latest  
> beta featured fixes to Rosetta.
>
> I thought that Apple would have ditched it in their 'lets purge  
> everything PowerPC' and keep it all Intel code.
>
> Simon





From amlucas2003 at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Apr 26 12:14:59 2009
From: amlucas2003 at yahoo.co.uk (Arthur Lucas)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 12:14:59 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] BT i-plate
In-Reply-To: <20081028090516.49C707CE763@mail.durrant.co.uk>
References: <20081028090516.49C707CE763@mail.durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <p06240801c619f065e534@[192.168.1.69]>

This is the only previous reference to i-plates I 
could find in the archive of the NMUG digests:

>Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:17:05 +0000
>From: Steven Jefferson <steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk>
>...
>
>I've also ordered an I-Plate to see if that can boost speeds....
>
>Steven Jefferson
>steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk

No report I can find on whether Steven found it helped.


I installed one about a week ago. Previous 
download speed tested over the previous week 
averaged around 3340, with a peak at just over 
4000.
Day after installation. lowest speed around 3600, 
peak at 4200. Today, so far, speeds are between 
6460 and 6120. Had a peak of over 7000 yesterday. 
uploads not significantly enhanced, but no 
detriment.

I was sceptical, but have been pleased with the results. ?11 well spent.

NB BT does not promise improvements: it depends 
on how much household interference is picked up 
by the telephone wiring in the house.

See http://preview.tinyurl.com/ccvuyu

-- 
Prof A M Lucas AO CBE
16 Downham Crescent
Wymondham NR18 0SF
01953 602214


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Apr 26 13:47:18 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 13:47:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] BT i-plate
Message-ID: <cDsFhjYtrtG6.JvbY5WZ4@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

A friend of mine who used to live in Cantley and suffered from very slow speeds fitted one of these and while it wasn't a massive improvement it did make things better.

He had 512k broadband (out of his 8MB broadband) and this boosted it a little.

Simon

--- visit my Mac site http://www.simonroyal.co.uk or Skype me on 'Simon-Royal' (sent using Nokia E71)

-original message-
Subject: [NMUG] BT i-plate
From: Arthur Lucas <amlucas2003 at yahoo.co.uk>
Date: 26/04/2009 12:15

This is the only previous reference to i-plates I 
could find in the archive of the NMUG digests:

>Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:17:05 +0000
>From: Steven Jefferson <steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk>
>...
>
>I've also ordered an I-Plate to see if that can boost speeds....
>
>Steven Jefferson
>steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk

No report I can find on whether Steven found it helped.


I installed one about a week ago. Previous 
download speed tested over the previous week 
averaged around 3340, with a peak at just over 
4000.
Day after installation. lowest speed around 3600, 
peak at 4200. Today, so far, speeds are between 
6460 and 6120. Had a peak of over 7000 yesterday. 
uploads not significantly enhanced, but no 
detriment.

I was sceptical, but have been pleased with the results. ?11 well spent.

NB BT does not promise improvements: it depends 
on how much household interference is picked up 
by the telephone wiring in the house.

See http://preview.tinyurl.com/ccvuyu

-- 
Prof A M Lucas AO CBE
16 Downham Crescent
Wymondham NR18 0SF
01953 602214
_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
NMUG at durrant.co.uk
http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk  Sun Apr 26 17:28:28 2009
From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 17:28:28 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Norwich Store
Message-ID: <A79081C4-0640-47CB-B49E-1C1B5403918E@freeflightsupplies.co.uk>

I need a few bits and bobs but wanted to use the purchase a way into  
the new store. Anybody have any knowledge of when it may open? I have  
looked on the Apple site but can't find any details.

Thanks.

Michael Woodhouse
mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk
http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/






From kevin at sanderling.co.uk  Sun Apr 26 18:00:41 2009
From: kevin at sanderling.co.uk (Kevin Allenby)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 18:00:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard release date?
Message-ID: <9c83344f0904261000m32a481c8geed3bd7cb053be41@mail.gmail.com>

My neighbors are thinking about getting a mac (probably a 20 iMac), and I
wondered if it was worth their while hanging on for the new OS release -
anyone know if this is fairly imminent? And would it be worth waiting for -
or should they just buy now? (I'm not sure what potential goodies it may
have in store!)
Thanks
Kevin


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Apr 26 18:17:57 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 18:17:57 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard release date?
In-Reply-To: <9c83344f0904261000m32a481c8geed3bd7cb053be41@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9c83344f0904261000m32a481c8geed3bd7cb053be41@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F6A11AA6-7A00-4FB4-B0A1-BF4C8D70FE81@simonroyal.co.uk>

Kevin

No fixed date on when Snow Leopard is out, but strong suspicions it  
will be announced at the June WWDC.

Normally, a few months before the release of an Apple OS, if you buy a  
new Mac you get a coupon for a free upgrade when the new one is out.

But as we not 100% sure when it will be released I would suggest  
waiting.

Simon

On 26 Apr 2009, at 18:00, Kevin Allenby wrote:

> My neighbors are thinking about getting a mac (probably a 20 iMac),  
> and I
> wondered if it was worth their while hanging on for the new OS  
> release -
> anyone know if this is fairly imminent? And would it be worth  
> waiting for -
> or should they just buy now? (I'm not sure what potential goodies it  
> may
> have in store!)
> Thanks
> Kevin
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From macman at f2s.com  Sun Apr 26 18:30:41 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 18:30:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard release date?
In-Reply-To: <9c83344f0904261000m32a481c8geed3bd7cb053be41@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9c83344f0904261000m32a481c8geed3bd7cb053be41@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B6C02F5C-0501-4F62-9AF1-8A973AE28990@f2s.com>

Apple never give anything away, but the general consensus seems to be  
June at the earliest.

Many experienced users prefer at launch time to stay with the current  
OS, which has been established & stabilised, and let others venture  
into the new version, then make the move once any bugs have been  
ironed out.

Unlike previous big cat releases. this time Apple itself says that  
most of the changes are under the hood, and won't necessarily be  
obvious to many users - particularly newbies who are just feeling  
their way.  More at:

http://tinyurl.com/6xwgmw

It's possible that when the time comes there could be some offers on  
machines running Leopard, but Apple are extremely adept with inventory  
management, so the old ones may just run out as the new ones arrive at  
the back door.

It's a personal choice, but personally I wouldn't hang around  
waiting ...

Robbie




On 26 Apr 2009, at 18:00, Kevin Allenby wrote:

My neighbors are thinking about getting a mac (probably a 20 iMac),  
and I
wondered if it was worth their while hanging on for the new OS release -
anyone know if this is fairly imminent? And would it be worth waiting  
for -
or should they just buy now? (I'm not sure what potential goodies it may
have in store!)
Thanks
Kevin
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Apr 26 18:36:14 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 18:36:14 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard release date?
In-Reply-To: <B6C02F5C-0501-4F62-9AF1-8A973AE28990@f2s.com>
References: <9c83344f0904261000m32a481c8geed3bd7cb053be41@mail.gmail.com>
	<B6C02F5C-0501-4F62-9AF1-8A973AE28990@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <EFED1702-55ED-454D-878A-AD7F20BCF697@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

Although Apple claim it will not have anything new, leaks from the  
current betas have noticed a few tweaks from Leopard and a couple of  
new things.

Also it is reported to have a new unified 'Marble' interface.

Unless Apple come up with some new features - I don't think they can  
justify calling it a new OS with a new price tag. If it is merely 'bug  
fixes' then they should offer it for free - which obviously they are  
not going to do.

Also many experienced users, trust Apple enough to take a bite from  
day one of a new release - after all it's not Microsoft were are  
talking about here. I adopted Tiger and Leopard weeks after they came  
out and while Tiger broke a few apps - Leopard has been plain sailing  
with only one app (SuperDuper) not working in Leopard.

Simon

On 26 Apr 2009, at 18:30, Robbie Murray wrote:

> Apple never give anything away, but the general consensus seems to be
> June at the earliest.
>
> Many experienced users prefer at launch time to stay with the current
> OS, which has been established & stabilised, and let others venture
> into the new version, then make the move once any bugs have been
> ironed out.
>
> Unlike previous big cat releases. this time Apple itself says that
> most of the changes are under the hood, and won't necessarily be
> obvious to many users - particularly newbies who are just feeling
> their way.  More at:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6xwgmw
>
> It's possible that when the time comes there could be some offers on
> machines running Leopard, but Apple are extremely adept with inventory
> management, so the old ones may just run out as the new ones arrive at
> the back door.
>
> It's a personal choice, but personally I wouldn't hang around
> waiting ...
>
> Robbie
>
>
>
>
> On 26 Apr 2009, at 18:00, Kevin Allenby wrote:
>
> My neighbors are thinking about getting a mac (probably a 20 iMac),
> and I
> wondered if it was worth their while hanging on for the new OS  
> release -
> anyone know if this is fairly imminent? And would it be worth waiting
> for -
> or should they just buy now? (I'm not sure what potential goodies it  
> may
> have in store!)
> Thanks
> Kevin
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Apr 26 19:15:35 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 19:15:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Ubuntu 9.04 PowerPC?
Message-ID: <11B9017A-F8E8-470E-84AE-C1705075AF1D@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

Does anyone know if the latest version of Ubuntu is available for  
PowerPC?

8.10 was - but I can't find 9.04 as an alternative download anywhere.

Regards

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From sc at davidviner.com  Sun Apr 26 19:41:28 2009
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 19:41:28 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Ubuntu 9.04 PowerPC?
In-Reply-To: <11B9017A-F8E8-470E-84AE-C1705075AF1D@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <11B9017A-F8E8-470E-84AE-C1705075AF1D@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <49F4AAD8.8010905@davidviner.com>

Simon

Try here:

http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/9.04/release/

David


Simon Royal wrote:
> Hi
>
> Does anyone know if the latest version of Ubuntu is available for  
> PowerPC?
>
> 8.10 was - but I can't find 9.04 as an alternative download anywhere.
>
> Regards
>
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Apr 26 19:47:54 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 19:47:54 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Ubuntu 9.04 PowerPC?
In-Reply-To: <49F4AAD8.8010905@davidviner.com>
References: <11B9017A-F8E8-470E-84AE-C1705075AF1D@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<49F4AAD8.8010905@davidviner.com>
Message-ID: <31943FB6-9583-4AA1-9BD7-355B82EF1976@simonroyal.co.uk>

David

Excellent - thanks, just what I was looking for.

Simon

On 26 Apr 2009, at 19:41, David Viner wrote:

> Simon
>
> Try here:
>
> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/9.04/release/
>
> David
>
>
> Simon Royal wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> Does anyone know if the latest version of Ubuntu is available for
>> PowerPC?
>>
>> 8.10 was - but I can't find 9.04 as an alternative download anywhere.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Sun Apr 26 20:59:34 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 20:59:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] BT i-plate
In-Reply-To: <cDsFhjYtrtG6.JvbY5WZ4@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <cDsFhjYtrtG6.JvbY5WZ4@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1F7561A7-9B46-4C78-8BE3-2CA6876F353B@zen.co.uk>

I found it no use at all. I got one of the ADSL Nation boxes you fit  
to the front of the BT box and I went from 2 Mb/sec to 4.6 Mb/sec! Occ  
I can get 5+ Mb/sec by restarting but BT nearly always knock this back  
after a while. Surprisingly the change often occurs in the early hours  
of ythe morning when most people are in bed!

Highly recommended. However, the router is connected directly to the  
box so once I connect via wiring away from it (about 20 feet) it will  
be interesting to see what happens.

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 26 Apr 2009, at 13:47, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi.
>
> A friend of mine who used to live in Cantley and suffered from very  
> slow speeds fitted one of these and while it wasn't a massive  
> improvement it did make things better.
>
> He had 512k broadband (out of his 8MB broadband) and this boosted it  
> a little.
>
> Simon
>
> --- visit my Mac site http://www.simonroyal.co.uk or Skype me on  
> 'Simon-Royal' (sent using Nokia E71)
>
> -original message-
> Subject: [NMUG] BT i-plate
> From: Arthur Lucas <amlucas2003 at yahoo.co.uk>
> Date: 26/04/2009 12:15
>
> This is the only previous reference to i-plates I
> could find in the archive of the NMUG digests:
>
>> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:17:05 +0000
>> From: Steven Jefferson <steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk>
>> ...
>>
>> I've also ordered an I-Plate to see if that can boost speeds....
>>
>> Steven Jefferson
>> steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk
>
> No report I can find on whether Steven found it helped.
>
>
> I installed one about a week ago. Previous
> download speed tested over the previous week
> averaged around 3340, with a peak at just over
> 4000.
> Day after installation. lowest speed around 3600,
> peak at 4200. Today, so far, speeds are between
> 6460 and 6120. Had a peak of over 7000 yesterday.
> uploads not significantly enhanced, but no
> detriment.
>
> I was sceptical, but have been pleased with the results. ?11 well  
> spent.
>
> NB BT does not promise improvements: it depends
> on how much household interference is picked up
> by the telephone wiring in the house.
>
> See http://preview.tinyurl.com/ccvuyu
>
> -- 
> Prof A M Lucas AO CBE
> 16 Downham Crescent
> Wymondham NR18 0SF
> 01953 602214
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Sun Apr 26 21:01:20 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:01:20 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard release date?
In-Reply-To: <B6C02F5C-0501-4F62-9AF1-8A973AE28990@f2s.com>
References: <9c83344f0904261000m32a481c8geed3bd7cb053be41@mail.gmail.com>
	<B6C02F5C-0501-4F62-9AF1-8A973AE28990@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <6A0214A2-26C2-4D95-871F-4D5374BEDAA0@zen.co.uk>

You could be waiting til August....

Does he need it NOW or then?

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 26 Apr 2009, at 18:30, Robbie Murray wrote:

> Apple never give anything away, but the general consensus seems to be
> June at the earliest.
>
> Many experienced users prefer at launch time to stay with the current
> OS, which has been established & stabilised, and let others venture
> into the new version, then make the move once any bugs have been
> ironed out.
>
> Unlike previous big cat releases. this time Apple itself says that
> most of the changes are under the hood, and won't necessarily be
> obvious to many users - particularly newbies who are just feeling
> their way.  More at:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6xwgmw
>
> It's possible that when the time comes there could be some offers on
> machines running Leopard, but Apple are extremely adept with inventory
> management, so the old ones may just run out as the new ones arrive at
> the back door.
>
> It's a personal choice, but personally I wouldn't hang around
> waiting ...
>
> Robbie
>
>
>
>
> On 26 Apr 2009, at 18:00, Kevin Allenby wrote:
>
> My neighbors are thinking about getting a mac (probably a 20 iMac),
> and I
> wondered if it was worth their while hanging on for the new OS  
> release -
> anyone know if this is fairly imminent? And would it be worth waiting
> for -
> or should they just buy now? (I'm not sure what potential goodies it  
> may
> have in store!)
> Thanks
> Kevin
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From fowler.j at me.com  Sun Apr 26 21:04:38 2009
From: fowler.j at me.com (Jon Fowler)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:04:38 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Norwich Store
In-Reply-To: <A79081C4-0640-47CB-B49E-1C1B5403918E@freeflightsupplies.co.uk>
References: <A79081C4-0640-47CB-B49E-1C1B5403918E@freeflightsupplies.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6305262A-CEC4-4B98-8BD7-BBAA9C86372D@me.com>

I have been informed by the head of retail employment, that they have  
only agreed to have a store, but haven't yet agreed a unit. So it will  
be in the next 6 months but that's the only info available.

Jon Fowler

Sent from my iPhone

On 26 Apr 2009, at 17:28, Michael Woodhouse <mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk 
 > wrote:

> I need a few bits and bobs but wanted to use the purchase a way into
> the new store. Anybody have any knowledge of when it may open? I have
> looked on the Apple site but can't find any details.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Michael Woodhouse
> mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk
> http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Sun Apr 26 21:05:53 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:05:53 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Snow Leopard release date?
In-Reply-To: <EFED1702-55ED-454D-878A-AD7F20BCF697@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <9c83344f0904261000m32a481c8geed3bd7cb053be41@mail.gmail.com>
	<B6C02F5C-0501-4F62-9AF1-8A973AE28990@f2s.com>
	<EFED1702-55ED-454D-878A-AD7F20BCF697@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6F696CF5-DED3-44E6-9A4D-75C2AF112259@zen.co.uk>

Quick Time X?

Grand Central?

OpenCL?

Also improved support for multi core stuff.

If the system provides it instead of the apps, distributing threads to  
cores (I admit being out of my depth here) Instead of having to wait  
for the app to do it, this could be a seriously big thing.....

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 26 Apr 2009, at 18:36, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> Although Apple claim it will not have anything new, leaks from the
> current betas have noticed a few tweaks from Leopard and a couple of
> new things.
>
> Also it is reported to have a new unified 'Marble' interface.
>
> Unless Apple come up with some new features - I don't think they can
> justify calling it a new OS with a new price tag. If it is merely 'bug
> fixes' then they should offer it for free - which obviously they are
> not going to do.
>
> Also many experienced users, trust Apple enough to take a bite from
> day one of a new release - after all it's not Microsoft were are
> talking about here. I adopted Tiger and Leopard weeks after they came
> out and while Tiger broke a few apps - Leopard has been plain sailing
> with only one app (SuperDuper) not working in Leopard.
>
> Simon
>
> On 26 Apr 2009, at 18:30, Robbie Murray wrote:
>
>> Apple never give anything away, but the general consensus seems to be
>> June at the earliest.
>>
>> Many experienced users prefer at launch time to stay with the current
>> OS, which has been established & stabilised, and let others venture
>> into the new version, then make the move once any bugs have been
>> ironed out.
>>
>> Unlike previous big cat releases. this time Apple itself says that
>> most of the changes are under the hood, and won't necessarily be
>> obvious to many users - particularly newbies who are just feeling
>> their way.  More at:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/6xwgmw
>>
>> It's possible that when the time comes there could be some offers on
>> machines running Leopard, but Apple are extremely adept with  
>> inventory
>> management, so the old ones may just run out as the new ones arrive  
>> at
>> the back door.
>>
>> It's a personal choice, but personally I wouldn't hang around
>> waiting ...
>>
>> Robbie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 26 Apr 2009, at 18:00, Kevin Allenby wrote:
>>
>> My neighbors are thinking about getting a mac (probably a 20 iMac),
>> and I
>> wondered if it was worth their while hanging on for the new OS
>> release -
>> anyone know if this is fairly imminent? And would it be worth waiting
>> for -
>> or should they just buy now? (I'm not sure what potential goodies it
>> may
>> have in store!)
>> Thanks
>> Kevin
>> _______________________________________________
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> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
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From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk  Sun Apr 26 21:06:20 2009
From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:06:20 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Norwich Store
In-Reply-To: <6305262A-CEC4-4B98-8BD7-BBAA9C86372D@me.com>
References: <A79081C4-0640-47CB-B49E-1C1B5403918E@freeflightsupplies.co.uk>
	<6305262A-CEC4-4B98-8BD7-BBAA9C86372D@me.com>
Message-ID: <AA7C87C2-5C8C-4C58-9D66-1B6FC6DC9513@freeflightsupplies.co.uk>

Super

Thanks, I'll have to use my other sources. However it will be handy  
for Xmas!

Michael Woodhouse
mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk
http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/




On 26 Apr 2009, at 21:04, Jon Fowler wrote:

> I have been informed by the head of retail employment, that they have
> only agreed to have a store, but haven't yet agreed a unit. So it will
> be in the next 6 months but that's the only info available.
>
> Jon Fowler
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 26 Apr 2009, at 17:28, Michael Woodhouse <mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk
>> wrote:
>
>> I need a few bits and bobs but wanted to use the purchase a way into
>> the new store. Anybody have any knowledge of when it may open? I have
>> looked on the Apple site but can't find any details.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Michael Woodhouse
>> mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk
>> http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Sun Apr 26 21:18:46 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:18:46 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Norwich Store
In-Reply-To: <6305262A-CEC4-4B98-8BD7-BBAA9C86372D@me.com>
References: <A79081C4-0640-47CB-B49E-1C1B5403918E@freeflightsupplies.co.uk>
	<6305262A-CEC4-4B98-8BD7-BBAA9C86372D@me.com>
Message-ID: <E5B4AD46-1E98-4527-947C-E2BFFD124A3C@zen.co.uk>

Given there are limited numbers of units available its a reasonable  
guestimate it will be the old USC store, or the much smaller Logo unit  
next to it, as these are the only decent units currently available.  
Could be an alteration to these units.

I hardly think the ex-Whittard coffee shop (very small) or "The Pier"  
are the most suitable sites for a store. Mall Management would want  
one that draws people in.

Unless of course in these difficult trading times another unit becomes  
available? Who could close down soon?

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 26 Apr 2009, at 21:04, Jon Fowler wrote:

> I have been informed by the head of retail employment, that they have
> only agreed to have a store, but haven't yet agreed a unit. So it will
> be in the next 6 months but that's the only info available.
>
> Jon Fowler
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 26 Apr 2009, at 17:28, Michael Woodhouse <mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk
>> wrote:
>
>> I need a few bits and bobs but wanted to use the purchase a way into
>> the new store. Anybody have any knowledge of when it may open? I have
>> looked on the Apple site but can't find any details.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Michael Woodhouse
>> mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk
>> http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Apr 26 23:04:04 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 23:04:04 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Blackberry iSync
Message-ID: <8E953A1E-60D1-478D-927F-1860908D7202@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I am looking at the Blackberry devices - the Pearl Flip 8220 in  
particular - and noticed no Blackberry is supported by iSync,  
something I use alot.

Does anyone here have a Blackberry and have any experience syncing it  
to a Mac - I only want contacts only really.

Regards

Simon Royal
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From alanbarber at mac.com  Mon Apr 27 08:10:16 2009
From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:10:16 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 1st beginners course meeting
Message-ID: <B4F856EA-F685-4894-BD2C-73F5E259F357@mac.com>

I have checked at St Matthews Church and can narrow down the best
two meeting times as Thursday evenings and Saturday mornings.

For all those wishing to attend the 1st meeting would you email your
preference and we will go with the majority.

Regards

Alan
		



From Interjay2 at btinternet.com  Mon Apr 27 08:21:27 2009
From: Interjay2 at btinternet.com (Peter James)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:21:27 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 1st beginners course meeting
References: <B4F856EA-F685-4894-BD2C-73F5E259F357@mac.com>
Message-ID: <AC0F3AAEDE014A9AA108B8D388656208@fujitsu>

Hi Alan,
Saturday is easier for me ( what happened to Wednesday ? )
Regards
Peter James

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Barber" <alanbarber at mac.com>
To: "nmugs Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 8:10 AM
Subject: [NMUG] 1st beginners course meeting


>I have checked at St Matthews Church and can narrow down the best
> two meeting times as Thursday evenings and Saturday mornings.
>
> For all those wishing to attend the 1st meeting would you email your
> preference and we will go with the majority.
>
> Regards
>
> Alan
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


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From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com  Mon Apr 27 08:23:55 2009
From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:23:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 1st beginners course meeting
In-Reply-To: <AC0F3AAEDE014A9AA108B8D388656208@fujitsu>
References: <B4F856EA-F685-4894-BD2C-73F5E259F357@mac.com>
	<AC0F3AAEDE014A9AA108B8D388656208@fujitsu>
Message-ID: <28496A8B-BB82-4F7C-9FEF-A04A4C8F4EA4@gmail.com>

Yes, Saturday mornings are good for me too,
Richard
rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com



On 27 Apr 2009, at 08:21, Peter James wrote:

>>  Saturday mornings



From mercer at gotadsl.co.uk  Mon Apr 27 08:49:59 2009
From: mercer at gotadsl.co.uk (Valerie Mercer)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:49:59 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 1st beginners course meeting
In-Reply-To: <28496A8B-BB82-4F7C-9FEF-A04A4C8F4EA4@gmail.com>
References: <B4F856EA-F685-4894-BD2C-73F5E259F357@mac.com>
	<AC0F3AAEDE014A9AA108B8D388656208@fujitsu>
	<28496A8B-BB82-4F7C-9FEF-A04A4C8F4EA4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1B57EA40-8266-4C32-AA14-3E3ECA1FE6C2@gotadsl.co.uk>

Saturdays for me too please.
Valerie

On 27 Apr 2009, at 08:23, Richard Stewart wrote:

Yes, Saturday mornings are good for me too,
Richard
rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com



On 27 Apr 2009, at 08:21, Peter James wrote:

>> Saturday mornings

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From kevin at sanderling.co.uk  Mon Apr 27 08:51:43 2009
From: kevin at sanderling.co.uk (Kevin Allenby)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:51:43 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 1st beginners course meeting
In-Reply-To: <B4F856EA-F685-4894-BD2C-73F5E259F357@mac.com>
References: <B4F856EA-F685-4894-BD2C-73F5E259F357@mac.com>
Message-ID: <9c83344f0904270051w4c0b2ebcx4baf071275dc0f48@mail.gmail.com>

I could do either, though Saturday preferred.
Kevin

2009/4/27 Alan Barber <alanbarber at mac.com>

> I have checked at St Matthews Church and can narrow down the best
> two meeting times as Thursday evenings and Saturday mornings.
>
> For all those wishing to attend the 1st meeting would you email your
> preference and we will go with the majority.
>
> Regards
>
> Alan
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>


From minkennison at mac.com  Mon Apr 27 08:59:12 2009
From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:59:12 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 1st beginners course meeting
In-Reply-To: <B4F856EA-F685-4894-BD2C-73F5E259F357@mac.com>
References: <B4F856EA-F685-4894-BD2C-73F5E259F357@mac.com>
Message-ID: <96CE97EF-3D75-4480-8801-89D7BA562566@mac.com>

Hi Alan

I prefer Sat am but could do the first 2 thursdays in the month

Min
On 27 Apr 2009, at 08:1027 Apr 2009, Alan Barber wrote:

> I have checked at St Matthews Church and can narrow down the best
> two meeting times as Thursday evenings and Saturday mornings.
>
> For all those wishing to attend the 1st meeting would you email your
> preference and we will go with the majority.
>
> Regards
>
> Alan
> 		
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From richardivers at mac.com  Mon Apr 27 09:09:56 2009
From: richardivers at mac.com (Richard Ivers)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:09:56 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 1st beginners course meeting
In-Reply-To: <B4F856EA-F685-4894-BD2C-73F5E259F357@mac.com>
References: <B4F856EA-F685-4894-BD2C-73F5E259F357@mac.com>
Message-ID: <32D1A900-2C94-40A4-912D-124EDAB8E05E@mac.com>

Hi Alan, Saturday morning would be fine.

Regards
Richard
On 27 Apr 2009, at 08:10, Alan Barber wrote:

> I have checked at St Matthews Church and can narrow down the best
> two meeting times as Thursday evenings and Saturday mornings.
>
> For all those wishing to attend the 1st meeting would you email your
> preference and we will go with the majority.
>
> Regards
>
> Alan
> 		
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net  Mon Apr 27 09:17:52 2009
From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:17:52 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 53
In-Reply-To: <mailman.443.1240817041.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.443.1240817041.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <0587650A-DC77-49C4-AD83-B4F49252A2F6@virgin.net>

I understood that the proposed tuition course was to be additional to  
our regular monthly Wednesday meetings.
Can we please leave them intact?!

Ken Arnoldi
On 27 Apr 2009, at 08:24, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:

> Hi Alan,
> Saturday is easier for me ( what happened to Wednesday ? )
> Regards
> Peter James
>
> ----- Original Message -----



From ricnev at mac.com  Mon Apr 27 09:27:14 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:27:14 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 53
In-Reply-To: <0587650A-DC77-49C4-AD83-B4F49252A2F6@virgin.net>
References: <mailman.443.1240817041.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<0587650A-DC77-49C4-AD83-B4F49252A2F6@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <58B61326-B660-4A3D-83B5-FCFF8654C898@mac.com>

The Courses will be offered as extra to our usual meetings -  there  
has never been any suggestion that they would replace our normal  
monthly Wednesday activities.

Richard Nevill.



On 27 Apr 2009, at 09:17, Ken Arnoldi wrote:

> I understood that the proposed tuition course was to be additional to
> our regular monthly Wednesday meetings.
> Can we please leave them intact?!
>
> Ken Arnoldi
> On 27 Apr 2009, at 08:24, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:
>
>> Hi Alan,
>> Saturday is easier for me ( what happened to Wednesday ? )
>> Regards
>> Peter James
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net  Mon Apr 27 09:32:26 2009
From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:32:26 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 53
In-Reply-To: <mailman.443.1240817041.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.443.1240817041.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6F804162-8A5F-46DD-9FC6-8362785B6049@virgin.net>

SuperDuper does work on Leopard - at least the registered version does -
but you probably don't need it with Time Machine.

Ken Arnoldi
On 27 Apr 2009, at 08:24, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:

>> Also many experienced users, trust Apple enough to take a bite from
>> day one of a new release - after all it's not Microsoft were are
>> talking about here. I adopted Tiger and Leopard weeks after they came
>> out and while Tiger broke a few apps - Leopard has been plain sailing
>> with only one app (SuperDuper) not working in Leopard.
>



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Apr 27 09:35:11 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:35:11 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 53
In-Reply-To: <6F804162-8A5F-46DD-9FC6-8362785B6049@virgin.net>
References: <mailman.443.1240817041.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<6F804162-8A5F-46DD-9FC6-8362785B6049@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <573CEB67-8B93-4D90-9928-C634E49DC0D3@simonroyal.co.uk>

Ken

I meant when Leopard first came out. SuperDuper was the only app that  
didn't work for me then, but they soon sorted it.

Simon

On 27 Apr 2009, at 09:32, Ken Arnoldi wrote:

> SuperDuper does work on Leopard - at least the registered version  
> does -
> but you probably don't need it with Time Machine.
>
> Ken Arnoldi
> On 27 Apr 2009, at 08:24, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:
>
>>> Also many experienced users, trust Apple enough to take a bite from
>>> day one of a new release - after all it's not Microsoft were are
>>> talking about here. I adopted Tiger and Leopard weeks after they  
>>> came
>>> out and while Tiger broke a few apps - Leopard has been plain  
>>> sailing
>>> with only one app (SuperDuper) not working in Leopard.
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

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From ehitchins at aol.com  Mon Apr 27 10:40:43 2009
From: ehitchins at aol.com (ehitchins at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:40:43 -0400
Subject: [NMUG] 1st beginners course meeting
In-Reply-To: <B4F856EA-F685-4894-BD2C-73F5E259F357@mac.com>
References: <B4F856EA-F685-4894-BD2C-73F5E259F357@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8CB95335E587E98-97C-26FB@webmail-dx21.sysops.aol.com>

Hi Alan

Thanks for the course preparation work

My preference would be for Thursday evenings, I can make Saturday 
mornings with the exception of Saturday 9th May

Regards

Eric Hitchins


-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Barber <alanbarber at mac.com>
To: nmugs Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Sent: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 8:10
Subject: [NMUG] 1st beginners course meeting










I have checked at St Matthews Church and can narrow down the best
two meeting times as Thursday evenings and Saturday mornings.

For all those wishing to attend the 1st meeting would you email your
preference and we will go with the majority.

Regards

Alan


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From jinshinjewels at googlemail.com  Mon Apr 27 10:45:26 2009
From: jinshinjewels at googlemail.com (Jules Slaughter)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 10:45:26 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 1st beginners course meeting
In-Reply-To: <8CB95335E587E98-97C-26FB@webmail-dx21.sysops.aol.com>
References: <B4F856EA-F685-4894-BD2C-73F5E259F357@mac.com>
	<8CB95335E587E98-97C-26FB@webmail-dx21.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <adb0e98a0904270245h7b6879bcnfa843f1395dc92cb@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Alan

Thanks for sorting it out.  Saturdays are difficult for me as I have
to earn a living.  If I have no clients on the day then obviously I
will be there.  Thursdays are better therefore for me.

Keep me informed.

Regards
Jules




On 4/27/09, ehitchins at aol.com <ehitchins at aol.com> wrote:
> Hi Alan
>
>  Thanks for the course preparation work
>
>  My preference would be for Thursday evenings, I can make Saturday
>  mornings with the exception of Saturday 9th May
>
>  Regards
>
>  Eric Hitchins
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Alan Barber <alanbarber at mac.com>
>  To: nmugs Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>
> Sent: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 8:10
>  Subject: [NMUG] 1st beginners course meeting
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I have checked at St Matthews Church and can narrow down the best
>  two meeting times as Thursday evenings and Saturday mornings.
>
>  For all those wishing to attend the 1st meeting would you email your
>  preference and we will go with the majority.
>
>  Regards
>
>  Alan
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  NMUG mailing list
>  NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>  http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From macman at f2s.com  Mon Apr 27 11:14:18 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:14:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] For all the Virgins out there being throttled .....
Message-ID: <D13BFB3A-AC0D-4736-9AE8-050E4BEC0B2D@f2s.com>

"Virgin Media is once more featured in the weekly list of ASA  
adjudications, with a ruling about the use of the term 'unlimited' and  
lack of prominence given to the cable provider's traffic management  
policy."

http://tinyurl.com/c36zq2


Robbie


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Apr 27 11:40:53 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:40:53 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Which Version Of Ubuntu?
Message-ID: <A6AD4BF0-4CB2-4066-B29D-2CECA8AB97C3@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I know some of you delve into the world of Linux and I was wondering  
which version of Ubuntu would suit my PowerBook G4 867Mhz with 1GB of  
RAM better.

I was looking at Xubuntu which uses the XFE desktop environment and is  
better suited for older machines, but it says it will run on G3 with  
128MB of RAM comfortably - making it probably pretty quick on a  
machine with mid range G4 with 1GB.

You then have Ubuntu and Kubuntu (KDE based).

Which one would run the smoothest. XFE is a nice environment and so is  
Gnome. Not too keen on KDE.

Simon Royal
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From david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk  Mon Apr 27 11:42:38 2009
From: david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk (David Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:42:38 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Which Version Of Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <A6AD4BF0-4CB2-4066-B29D-2CECA8AB97C3@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <A6AD4BF0-4CB2-4066-B29D-2CECA8AB97C3@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <375992370904270342w245a486ep3d1f3f9f2b849e85@mail.gmail.com>

XFCE is much lighter than GNOME or KDE, so you will get better
performance out of it on older hardware.

2009/4/27 Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>:
> Hi
>
> I know some of you delve into the world of Linux and I was wondering
> which version of Ubuntu would suit my PowerBook G4 867Mhz with 1GB of
> RAM better.
>
> I was looking at Xubuntu which uses the XFE desktop environment and is
> better suited for older machines, but it says it will run on G3 with
> 128MB of RAM comfortably - making it probably pretty quick on a
> machine with mid range G4 with 1GB.
>
> You then have Ubuntu and Kubuntu (KDE based).
>
> Which one would run the smoothest. XFE is a nice environment and so is
> Gnome. Not too keen on KDE.
>
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From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Mon Apr 27 11:57:41 2009
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:57:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG]  For all the Virgins out there being throttled .
In-Reply-To: <mailman.449.1240828858.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.449.1240828858.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <E0696CD3-EDCA-4ACA-B54A-F19632350FE2@gmail.com>



> Subject: [NMUG] For all the Virgins out there being throttled .....
>
> "Virgin Media is once more featured in the weekly list of ASA
> adjudications, with a ruling about the use of the term 'unlimited' and
> lack of prominence given to the cable provider's traffic management
> policy."
>
> http://tinyurl.com/c36zq2
>
>
> Robbie

This unscrupulous company should be prosecuted under the Trade  
Descriptions Act. It is surprising to me that so many don't care about  
this issue of a provider snooping on your use of a service they sold  
you, so thanks Robbie for this reminder. To throttle your traffic  
means they have to be examining your packets and/or their origin, and  
this should be unacceptable. The electronic age makes it easier for  
folks to chip away at our privacy, and constant vigilance and vocal  
opposition is our best defence. Virgin's objective right now is to  
push you to buy THEIR content (which they don't throttle) which is bad  
enough, but the ramifications go deeper. Imagine the Royal Mail  
opening every envelope to see if the sender is selling a service  
competitive to them, and then tossing it into the Slow pile if it  
finds an example.

From voodoopenguin666 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Apr 27 12:19:20 2009
From: voodoopenguin666 at yahoo.co.uk (Paul Chapman)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:19:20 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Michael Crook
Message-ID: <6EAE9598-0FEE-4BD0-AC71-F39C1FBFD751@yahoo.co.uk>

This is to let you know that one of our members, Michael Crook, is in  
Critical Care at Papworth Hospital. He went in for what I believe was  
a heart valve operation but is making a slow recovery. He still needs  
a ventilator for his breathing and although they are trying to wean  
him off it he only managed about 20 minutes by himself yesterday.

I knew he was going in at some time and he was going to contact me  
when he was in recuperation so I could visit. I got this news because  
it was sent out as a special announcement in a Yahoo group I helped  
set up for him and his investor group.

Michael stopped coming to the meetings after the first one at the  
Baker's Arms as he found his hearing could not cope with the acoustics  
there. He was hoping that once he is out of recuperation he could give  
the new venue a go so hopefully we will be seeing him again however I  
guess it might not be for at least another couple of months.

Paul Chapman


From sc at davidviner.com  Mon Apr 27 12:36:31 2009
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:36:31 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] For all the Virgins out there being throttled .
In-Reply-To: <E0696CD3-EDCA-4ACA-B54A-F19632350FE2@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.449.1240828858.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
	<E0696CD3-EDCA-4ACA-B54A-F19632350FE2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49F598BF.4050308@davidviner.com>

The way I understood it was that the VM throttling was being done is 
purely by volume, not content. So they are not doing deep packet 
inspection (yet!), but just counting 'em as they go past! I've only seen 
obvious throttling take place once - I was downloading a full Ubuntu DVD 
of hte 9.04 beta a few weeks ago (approx 4GB) and hit their limit - the 
speed dropped from approx 10Mb/s to 3Mb/s about 1.5GB in - I don't know 
what else I'd downloaded that day - may have been a lot, may not, can't 
remember.

I'm more worried about them implementing the Phorm snooping which may be 
the thing that finally drives me away from them. Because I'm on cable I 
usually get the speed I purchased (10Mb/s) and often more - I regularly 
see 12Mb/s during the day (I work from home). I'd hate to trade that 
speed for one of the "Up to 8M" services which means I will be lucky to 
see >3M/s.

David


stefan youngs wrote:
>   
>> Subject: [NMUG] For all the Virgins out there being throttled .....
>>
>> "Virgin Media is once more featured in the weekly list of ASA
>> adjudications, with a ruling about the use of the term 'unlimited' and
>> lack of prominence given to the cable provider's traffic management
>> policy."
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/c36zq2
>>
>>
>> Robbie
>>     
>
> This unscrupulous company should be prosecuted under the Trade  
> Descriptions Act. It is surprising to me that so many don't care about  
> this issue of a provider snooping on your use of a service they sold  
> you, so thanks Robbie for this reminder. To throttle your traffic  
> means they have to be examining your packets and/or their origin, and  
> this should be unacceptable. The electronic age makes it easier for  
> folks to chip away at our privacy, and constant vigilance and vocal  
> opposition is our best defence. Virgin's objective right now is to  
> push you to buy THEIR content (which they don't throttle) which is bad  
> enough, but the ramifications go deeper. Imagine the Royal Mail  
> opening every envelope to see if the sender is selling a service  
> competitive to them, and then tossing it into the Slow pile if it  
> finds an example.
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From suewest108 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Apr 27 12:39:53 2009
From: suewest108 at yahoo.co.uk (Sue West)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:39:53 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 54/Tuition
In-Reply-To: <mailman.449.1240828858.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <485875.96387.qm@web23905.mail.ird.yahoo.com>


Hi there,
1. Could I pls have a once a week digest.
2. Would like to join beginner's tuition group, Sat am would suit me fine.
3. For some reason all digests have been hived off into spam recently any idea why? Yahoo does seem to be completely up the spout at the moment.
Sue West


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> Subject: NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 54
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> Date: Monday, 27 April, 2009, 11:40 AM
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> Today's Topics:
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>    1. Re: 1st beginners course meeting (Valerie Mercer)
>    2. Re: 1st beginners course meeting (Kevin Allenby)
>    3. Re: 1st beginners course meeting (Min Kennison)
>    4. Re: 1st beginners course meeting (Richard Ivers)
>    5. Re: NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 53 (Ken Arnoldi)
>    6. Re: NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 53 (Richard Nevill)
>    7. Re: NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 53 (Ken Arnoldi)
>    8. Re: NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 53 (Simon Royal)
>    9. Re: 1st beginners course meeting (ehitchins at aol.com)
>   10. Re: 1st beginners course meeting (Jules Slaughter)
>   11. For all the Virgins out there being throttled .....
>       (Robbie Murray)
>   12. Which Version Of Ubuntu? (Simon Royal)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:49:59 +0100
> From: Valerie Mercer <mercer at gotadsl.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] 1st beginners course meeting
> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Message-ID:
> <1B57EA40-8266-4C32-AA14-3E3ECA1FE6C2 at gotadsl.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
> 
> Saturdays for me too please.
> Valerie
> 
> On 27 Apr 2009, at 08:23, Richard Stewart wrote:
> 
> Yes, Saturday mornings are good for me too,
> Richard
> rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On 27 Apr 2009, at 08:21, Peter James wrote:
> 
> >> Saturday mornings
> 
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> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:51:43 +0100
> From: Kevin Allenby <kevin at sanderling.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] 1st beginners course meeting
> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Message-ID:
> 	<9c83344f0904270051w4c0b2ebcx4baf071275dc0f48 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> I could do either, though Saturday preferred.
> Kevin
> 
> 2009/4/27 Alan Barber <alanbarber at mac.com>
> 
> > I have checked at St Matthews Church and can narrow
> down the best
> > two meeting times as Thursday evenings and Saturday
> mornings.
> >
> > For all those wishing to attend the 1st meeting would
> you email your
> > preference and we will go with the majority.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Alan
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NMUG mailing list
> > NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
> >
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:59:12 +0100
> From: Min Kennison <minkennison at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] 1st beginners course meeting
> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Message-ID:
> <96CE97EF-3D75-4480-8801-89D7BA562566 at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
> 
> Hi Alan
> 
> I prefer Sat am but could do the first 2 thursdays in the
> month
> 
> Min
> On 27 Apr 2009, at 08:1027 Apr 2009, Alan Barber wrote:
> 
> > I have checked at St Matthews Church and can narrow
> down the best
> > two meeting times as Thursday evenings and Saturday
> mornings.
> >
> > For all those wishing to attend the 1st meeting would
> you email your
> > preference and we will go with the majority.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Alan
> > 		
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NMUG mailing list
> > NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:09:56 +0100
> From: Richard Ivers <richardivers at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] 1st beginners course meeting
> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Message-ID:
> <32D1A900-2C94-40A4-912D-124EDAB8E05E at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
> 
> Hi Alan, Saturday morning would be fine.
> 
> Regards
> Richard
> On 27 Apr 2009, at 08:10, Alan Barber wrote:
> 
> > I have checked at St Matthews Church and can narrow
> down the best
> > two meeting times as Thursday evenings and Saturday
> mornings.
> >
> > For all those wishing to attend the 1st meeting would
> you email your
> > preference and we will go with the majority.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Alan
> > 		
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NMUG mailing list
> > NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:17:52 +0100
> From: Ken Arnoldi <ken.arnoldi at virgin.net>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 53
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> Cc: Ken Arnoldi <ken.arnoldi at virgin.net>
> Message-ID:
> <0587650A-DC77-49C4-AD83-B4F49252A2F6 at virgin.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed;
> delsp=yes
> 
> I understood that the proposed tuition course was to be
> additional to  
> our regular monthly Wednesday meetings.
> Can we please leave them intact?!
> 
> Ken Arnoldi
> On 27 Apr 2009, at 08:24, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:
> 
> > Hi Alan,
> > Saturday is easier for me ( what happened to Wednesday
> ? )
> > Regards
> > Peter James
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:27:14 +0100
> From: Richard Nevill <ricnev at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 53
> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Message-ID:
> <58B61326-B660-4A3D-83B5-FCFF8654C898 at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed;
> delsp=yes
> 
> The Courses will be offered as extra to our usual meetings
> -  there  
> has never been any suggestion that they would replace our
> normal  
> monthly Wednesday activities.
> 
> Richard Nevill.
> 
> 
> 
> On 27 Apr 2009, at 09:17, Ken Arnoldi wrote:
> 
> > I understood that the proposed tuition course was to
> be additional to
> > our regular monthly Wednesday meetings.
> > Can we please leave them intact?!
> >
> > Ken Arnoldi
> > On 27 Apr 2009, at 08:24, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Alan,
> >> Saturday is easier for me ( what happened to
> Wednesday ? )
> >> Regards
> >> Peter James
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NMUG mailing list
> > NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
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> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:32:26 +0100
> From: Ken Arnoldi <ken.arnoldi at virgin.net>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 53
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> Cc: Ken Arnoldi <ken.arnoldi at virgin.net>
> Message-ID:
> <6F804162-8A5F-46DD-9FC6-8362785B6049 at virgin.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
> 
> SuperDuper does work on Leopard - at least the registered
> version does -
> but you probably don't need it with Time Machine.
> 
> Ken Arnoldi
> On 27 Apr 2009, at 08:24, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:
> 
> >> Also many experienced users, trust Apple enough to
> take a bite from
> >> day one of a new release - after all it's not
> Microsoft were are
> >> talking about here. I adopted Tiger and Leopard
> weeks after they came
> >> out and while Tiger broke a few apps - Leopard has
> been plain sailing
> >> with only one app (SuperDuper) not working in
> Leopard.
> >
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:35:11 +0100
> From: Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 53
> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Message-ID:
> <573CEB67-8B93-4D90-9928-C634E49DC0D3 at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed;
> delsp=yes
> 
> Ken
> 
> I meant when Leopard first came out. SuperDuper was the
> only app that  
> didn't work for me then, but they soon sorted it.
> 
> Simon
> 
> On 27 Apr 2009, at 09:32, Ken Arnoldi wrote:
> 
> > SuperDuper does work on Leopard - at least the
> registered version  
> > does -
> > but you probably don't need it with Time Machine.
> >
> > Ken Arnoldi
> > On 27 Apr 2009, at 08:24, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk
> wrote:
> >
> >>> Also many experienced users, trust Apple
> enough to take a bite from
> >>> day one of a new release - after all it's
> not Microsoft were are
> >>> talking about here. I adopted Tiger and
> Leopard weeks after they  
> >>> came
> >>> out and while Tiger broke a few apps - Leopard
> has been plain  
> >>> sailing
> >>> with only one app (SuperDuper) not working in
> Leopard.
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NMUG mailing list
> > NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> > http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
> >
> 
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype
> me on  
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM,
> 80GB HD,  
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:40:43 -0400
> From: ehitchins at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] 1st beginners course meeting
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> Message-ID:
> <8CB95335E587E98-97C-26FB at webmail-dx21.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii";
> format=flowed
> 
> Hi Alan
> 
> Thanks for the course preparation work
> 
> My preference would be for Thursday evenings, I can make
> Saturday 
> mornings with the exception of Saturday 9th May
> 
> Regards
> 
> Eric Hitchins
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Barber <alanbarber at mac.com>
> To: nmugs Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Sent: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 8:10
> Subject: [NMUG] 1st beginners course meeting
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I have checked at St Matthews Church and can narrow down
> the best
> two meeting times as Thursday evenings and Saturday
> mornings.
> 
> For all those wishing to attend the 1st meeting would you
> email your
> preference and we will go with the majority.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 10:45:26 +0100
> From: Jules Slaughter <jinshinjewels at googlemail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] 1st beginners course meeting
> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Message-ID:
> 	<adb0e98a0904270245h7b6879bcnfa843f1395dc92cb at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> Dear Alan
> 
> Thanks for sorting it out.  Saturdays are difficult for me
> as I have
> to earn a living.  If I have no clients on the day then
> obviously I
> will be there.  Thursdays are better therefore for me.
> 
> Keep me informed.
> 
> Regards
> Jules
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/27/09, ehitchins at aol.com <ehitchins at aol.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi Alan
> >
> >  Thanks for the course preparation work
> >
> >  My preference would be for Thursday evenings, I can
> make Saturday
> >  mornings with the exception of Saturday 9th May
> >
> >  Regards
> >
> >  Eric Hitchins
> >
> >
> >
> >  -----Original Message-----
> >  From: Alan Barber <alanbarber at mac.com>
> >  To: nmugs Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> >
> > Sent: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 8:10
> >  Subject: [NMUG] 1st beginners course meeting
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I have checked at St Matthews Church and can narrow
> down the best
> >  two meeting times as Thursday evenings and Saturday
> mornings.
> >
> >  For all those wishing to attend the 1st meeting would
> you email your
> >  preference and we will go with the majority.
> >
> >  Regards
> >
> >  Alan
> >
> >
> >  _______________________________________________
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> >  NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> >  http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Jules
> 
> CalmClasses & Therapies
> to improve your health.
> 
> My business works on referrals.
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> If not, please tell me.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:14:18 +0100
> From: Robbie Murray <macman at f2s.com>
> Subject: [NMUG] For all the Virgins out there being
> throttled .....
> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Message-ID:
> <D13BFB3A-AC0D-4736-9AE8-050E4BEC0B2D at f2s.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed;
> delsp=yes
> 
> "Virgin Media is once more featured in the weekly list
> of ASA  
> adjudications, with a ruling about the use of the term
> 'unlimited' and  
> lack of prominence given to the cable provider's
> traffic management  
> policy."
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/c36zq2
> 
> 
> Robbie
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:40:53 +0100
> From: Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Subject: [NMUG] Which Version Of Ubuntu?
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> Message-ID:
> <A6AD4BF0-4CB2-4066-B29D-2CECA8AB97C3 at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed;
> delsp=yes
> 
> Hi
> 
> I know some of you delve into the world of Linux and I was
> wondering  
> which version of Ubuntu would suit my PowerBook G4 867Mhz
> with 1GB of  
> RAM better.
> 
> I was looking at Xubuntu which uses the XFE desktop
> environment and is  
> better suited for older machines, but it says it will run
> on G3 with  
> 128MB of RAM comfortably - making it probably pretty quick
> on a  
> machine with mid range G4 with 1GB.
> 
> You then have Ubuntu and Kubuntu (KDE based).
> 
> Which one would run the smoothest. XFE is a nice
> environment and so is  
> Gnome. Not too keen on KDE.
> 
> Simon Royal
> ---
> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype
> me on  
> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM,
> 80GB HD,  
> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> End of NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 54
> ************************************


      


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Apr 27 12:48:01 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:48:01 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Digests, spam and so on
In-Reply-To: <485875.96387.qm@web23905.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
References: <485875.96387.qm@web23905.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A9BFF2B7-B12A-47C4-A4FC-B1A0B49F4D84@durrant.co.uk>

0. Please don't quote the entire digest back to the group.

1. That's not an option in the software the list uses. I could turn  
off the daily digest (& just issue a digest when a certain quantity of  
messages had accumulated), but unless there's a large number of people  
requesting this I'd rather not change things.

3. That's entirely down to Yahoo and/or your email client. There's  
nothing I can do about it from this end.

So - at the moment the digest options are set to 30KB and Every Day. I  
could turn off the Every Day option if enough people wanted it.

Paul

On 27 Apr 2009, at 12:39, Sue West wrote:

>
> Hi there,
> 1. Could I pls have a once a week digest.
> 2. Would like to join beginner's tuition group, Sat am would suit me  
> fine.
> 3. For some reason all digests have been hived off into spam  
> recently any idea why? Yahoo does seem to be completely up the spout  
> at the moment.
> Sue West
>



From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk  Mon Apr 27 12:58:52 2009
From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:58:52 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Michael Crook
In-Reply-To: <6EAE9598-0FEE-4BD0-AC71-F39C1FBFD751@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <6EAE9598-0FEE-4BD0-AC71-F39C1FBFD751@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <2B9C4020-0A5A-411C-9F03-0C0EEE2C10EE@themagic.me.uk>

Paul

Please give Michael best wishes for a speedy and comfortable recovery.

Thanks.

Anthony

On 27 Apr 2009, at 12:19, Paul Chapman wrote:

> This is to let you know that one of our members, Michael Crook, is in
> Critical Care at Papworth Hospital. He went in for what I believe was
> a heart valve operation but is making a slow recovery. He still needs
> a ventilator for his breathing and although they are trying to wean
> him off it he only managed about 20 minutes by himself yesterday.
>
> I knew he was going in at some time and he was going to contact me
> when he was in recuperation so I could visit. I got this news because
> it was sent out as a special announcement in a Yahoo group I helped
> set up for him and his investor group.
>
> Michael stopped coming to the meetings after the first one at the
> Baker's Arms as he found his hearing could not cope with the acoustics
> there. He was hoping that once he is out of recuperation he could give
> the new venue a go so hopefully we will be seeing him again however I
> guess it might not be for at least another couple of months.
>
> Paul Chapman
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From macman at f2s.com  Mon Apr 27 13:03:11 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:03:11 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 54/Tuition
In-Reply-To: <485875.96387.qm@web23905.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
References: <485875.96387.qm@web23905.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <95108F83-59C6-487F-92D9-B536A9DA2820@f2s.com>

Hello Sue

 From what I read on Freecycle, Yahoo certainly do seem to be in a mess.

If you can set filters, you should be able to set one to ALLOW any  
post with 'NMUG' in the subject to get through.

What you may well find easier is to open a googlemail account -  
simple, swift and straightforward, and hassle free, and you can use it  
online or divert to a local client.

Robbie

More Here .....

http://tinyurl.com/cj7jg2




On 27 Apr 2009, at 12:39, Sue West wrote:

3. For some reason all digests have been hived off into spam recently  
any idea why? Yahoo does seem to be completely up the spout at the  
moment.
Sue West





From djr.massy at ntlworld.com  Mon Apr 27 13:35:24 2009
From: djr.massy at ntlworld.com (DJR Massy)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 13:35:24 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 1st beginners course meeting
In-Reply-To: <mailman.443.1240817041.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
References: <mailman.443.1240817041.106.nmug@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <424E8B43-823C-4E70-A169-5E088B75752F@ntlworld.com>

Either Thursday evening or Saturday morning would suit Simone and Jim  
Massy.  However, for various reasons, not before mid-June unfortunately.

Regards,

Jim.
=============================================
On 27 Apr 2009, at 08:24, Alan Barber wrote:
>
> I have checked at St Matthews Church and can narrow down the best
> two meeting times as Thursday evenings and Saturday mornings.
>
> For all those wishing to attend the 1st meeting would you email your
> preference and we will go with the majority.
>
> Regards
>
> Alan



From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Mon Apr 27 15:45:53 2009
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 15:45:53 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Michael Crook
In-Reply-To: <6EAE9598-0FEE-4BD0-AC71-F39C1FBFD751@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <6EAE9598-0FEE-4BD0-AC71-F39C1FBFD751@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <29fa329cd804dab212b3b20a821e3f93@virgin.net>

Hi paul

Please give him my regards when you do see him and wish him a speedy 
recovery

Many thanks

Martin
www.martinfryphotography.com





> This is to let you know that one of our members, Michael Crook, is in
> Critical Care at Papworth Hospital. He went in for what I believe was
> a heart valve operation but is making a slow recovery. He still needs
> a ventilator for his breathing and although they are trying to wean
> him off it he only managed about 20 minutes by himself yesterday.
>
> I knew he was going in at some time and he was going to contact me
> when he was in recuperation so I could visit. I got this news because
> it was sent out as a special announcement in a Yahoo group I helped
> set up for him and his investor group.
>
> Michael stopped coming to the meetings after the first one at the
> Baker's Arms as he found his hearing could not cope with the acoustics
> there. He was hoping that once he is out of recuperation he could give
> the new venue a go so hopefully we will be seeing him again however I
> guess it might not be for at least another couple of months.
>
>



From thegees at jennygee.f2s.com  Mon Apr 27 16:23:35 2009
From: thegees at jennygee.f2s.com (Malcolm Gee)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:23:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Michael Crook
In-Reply-To: <6EAE9598-0FEE-4BD0-AC71-F39C1FBFD751@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <6EAE9598-0FEE-4BD0-AC71-F39C1FBFD751@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <FD9E4795-E2D4-440C-A8F2-E4C43BC9333E@jennygee.f2s.com>

Dear Paul,

Unfortunately Jenny and I have not been able to attend NMUG meetings  
for some years but remember Michael very well. Please send our best  
wishes  for a speedy recovery.

Regards,

Malcolm Gee.


On 27 Apr 2009, at 12:19, Paul Chapman wrote:

> This is to let you know that one of our members, Michael Crook, is in
> Critical Care at Papworth Hospital. He went in for what I believe was
> a heart valve operation but is making a slow recovery. He still needs
> a ventilator for his breathing and although they are trying to wean
> him off it he only managed about 20 minutes by himself yesterday.
>
> I knew he was going in at some time and he was going to contact me
> when he was in recuperation so I could visit. I got this news because
> it was sent out as a special announcement in a Yahoo group I helped
> set up for him and his investor group.
>
> Michael stopped coming to the meetings after the first one at the
> Baker's Arms as he found his hearing could not cope with the acoustics
> there. He was hoping that once he is out of recuperation he could give
> the new venue a go so hopefully we will be seeing him again however I
> guess it might not be for at least another couple of months.
>
> Paul Chapman
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Mon Apr 27 17:17:09 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:17:09 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 54/Tuition
In-Reply-To: <485875.96387.qm@web23905.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C61B9915.29109%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

Dear Sue
An alternative is to make a mailing list rule so that the mails are all
routed into a specified folder.
They don't clutter up anywhere then and you can easily scan subject headers
and only look at those with relevance.

hope this helps

regards
Brian


Sue West said recently:

> 
> Hi there,
> 1. Could I pls have a once a week digest.
> 2. Would like to join beginner's tuition group, Sat am would suit me fine.
> 3. For some reason all digests have been hived off into spam recently any idea
> why? Yahoo does seem to be completely up the spout at the moment.
> Sue West
> 
> 
> --- On Mon, 27/4/09, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk <nmug-request at durrant.co.uk>
> wrote:
> 
>> From: nmug-request at durrant.co.uk <nmug-request at durrant.co.uk>
>> Subject: NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 54
>> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
>> Date: Monday, 27 April, 2009, 11:40 AM
>> Send NMUG mailing list submissions to
>> nmug at durrant.co.uk
>> 
>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body
>> 'help' to
>> nmug-request at durrant.co.uk
>> 
>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>> nmug-owner at durrant.co.uk
>> 
>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more
>> specific
>> than "Re: Contents of NMUG digest..."
>> 
>> 
>> Today's Topics:
>> 
>>    1. Re: 1st beginners course meeting (Valerie Mercer)
>>    2. Re: 1st beginners course meeting (Kevin Allenby)
>>    3. Re: 1st beginners course meeting (Min Kennison)
>>    4. Re: 1st beginners course meeting (Richard Ivers)
>>    5. Re: NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 53 (Ken Arnoldi)
>>    6. Re: NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 53 (Richard Nevill)
>>    7. Re: NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 53 (Ken Arnoldi)
>>    8. Re: NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 53 (Simon Royal)
>>    9. Re: 1st beginners course meeting (ehitchins at aol.com)
>>   10. Re: 1st beginners course meeting (Jules Slaughter)
>>   11. For all the Virgins out there being throttled .....
>>       (Robbie Murray)
>>   12. Which Version Of Ubuntu? (Simon Royal)
>> 
>> 
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:49:59 +0100
>> From: Valerie Mercer <mercer at gotadsl.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] 1st beginners course meeting
>> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>> Message-ID:
>> <1B57EA40-8266-4C32-AA14-3E3ECA1FE6C2 at gotadsl.co.uk>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>> 
>> Saturdays for me too please.
>> Valerie
>> 
>> On 27 Apr 2009, at 08:23, Richard Stewart wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, Saturday mornings are good for me too,
>> Richard
>> rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 27 Apr 2009, at 08:21, Peter James wrote:
>> 
>>>> Saturday mornings
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:51:43 +0100
>> From: Kevin Allenby <kevin at sanderling.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] 1st beginners course meeting
>> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>> Message-ID:
>> <9c83344f0904270051w4c0b2ebcx4baf071275dc0f48 at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>> 
>> I could do either, though Saturday preferred.
>> Kevin
>> 
>> 2009/4/27 Alan Barber <alanbarber at mac.com>
>> 
>>> I have checked at St Matthews Church and can narrow
>> down the best
>>> two meeting times as Thursday evenings and Saturday
>> mornings.
>>> 
>>> For all those wishing to attend the 1st meeting would
>> you email your
>>> preference and we will go with the majority.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Alan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 08:59:12 +0100
>> From: Min Kennison <minkennison at mac.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] 1st beginners course meeting
>> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>> Message-ID:
>> <96CE97EF-3D75-4480-8801-89D7BA562566 at mac.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>> 
>> Hi Alan
>> 
>> I prefer Sat am but could do the first 2 thursdays in the
>> month
>> 
>> Min
>> On 27 Apr 2009, at 08:1027 Apr 2009, Alan Barber wrote:
>> 
>>> I have checked at St Matthews Church and can narrow
>> down the best
>>> two meeting times as Thursday evenings and Saturday
>> mornings.
>>> 
>>> For all those wishing to attend the 1st meeting would
>> you email your
>>> preference and we will go with the majority.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Alan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:09:56 +0100
>> From: Richard Ivers <richardivers at mac.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] 1st beginners course meeting
>> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>> Message-ID:
>> <32D1A900-2C94-40A4-912D-124EDAB8E05E at mac.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>> 
>> Hi Alan, Saturday morning would be fine.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Richard
>> On 27 Apr 2009, at 08:10, Alan Barber wrote:
>> 
>>> I have checked at St Matthews Church and can narrow
>> down the best
>>> two meeting times as Thursday evenings and Saturday
>> mornings.
>>> 
>>> For all those wishing to attend the 1st meeting would
>> you email your
>>> preference and we will go with the majority.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> Alan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:17:52 +0100
>> From: Ken Arnoldi <ken.arnoldi at virgin.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 53
>> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
>> Cc: Ken Arnoldi <ken.arnoldi at virgin.net>
>> Message-ID:
>> <0587650A-DC77-49C4-AD83-B4F49252A2F6 at virgin.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed;
>> delsp=yes
>> 
>> I understood that the proposed tuition course was to be
>> additional to  
>> our regular monthly Wednesday meetings.
>> Can we please leave them intact?!
>> 
>> Ken Arnoldi
>> On 27 Apr 2009, at 08:24, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Alan,
>>> Saturday is easier for me ( what happened to Wednesday
>> ? )
>>> Regards
>>> Peter James
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:27:14 +0100
>> From: Richard Nevill <ricnev at mac.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 53
>> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>> Message-ID:
>> <58B61326-B660-4A3D-83B5-FCFF8654C898 at mac.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed;
>> delsp=yes
>> 
>> The Courses will be offered as extra to our usual meetings
>> -  there  
>> has never been any suggestion that they would replace our
>> normal  
>> monthly Wednesday activities.
>> 
>> Richard Nevill.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 27 Apr 2009, at 09:17, Ken Arnoldi wrote:
>> 
>>> I understood that the proposed tuition course was to
>> be additional to
>>> our regular monthly Wednesday meetings.
>>> Can we please leave them intact?!
>>> 
>>> Ken Arnoldi
>>> On 27 Apr 2009, at 08:24, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Alan,
>>>> Saturday is easier for me ( what happened to
>> Wednesday ? )
>>>> Regards
>>>> Peter James
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:32:26 +0100
>> From: Ken Arnoldi <ken.arnoldi at virgin.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 53
>> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
>> Cc: Ken Arnoldi <ken.arnoldi at virgin.net>
>> Message-ID:
>> <6F804162-8A5F-46DD-9FC6-8362785B6049 at virgin.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>> 
>> SuperDuper does work on Leopard - at least the registered
>> version does -
>> but you probably don't need it with Time Machine.
>> 
>> Ken Arnoldi
>> On 27 Apr 2009, at 08:24, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:
>> 
>>>> Also many experienced users, trust Apple enough to
>> take a bite from
>>>> day one of a new release - after all it's not
>> Microsoft were are
>>>> talking about here. I adopted Tiger and Leopard
>> weeks after they came
>>>> out and while Tiger broke a few apps - Leopard has
>> been plain sailing
>>>> with only one app (SuperDuper) not working in
>> Leopard.
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 09:35:11 +0100
>> From: Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 53
>> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>> Message-ID:
>> <573CEB67-8B93-4D90-9928-C634E49DC0D3 at simonroyal.co.uk>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed;
>> delsp=yes
>> 
>> Ken
>> 
>> I meant when Leopard first came out. SuperDuper was the
>> only app that  
>> didn't work for me then, but they soon sorted it.
>> 
>> Simon
>> 
>> On 27 Apr 2009, at 09:32, Ken Arnoldi wrote:
>> 
>>> SuperDuper does work on Leopard - at least the
>> registered version
>>> does -
>>> but you probably don't need it with Time Machine.
>>> 
>>> Ken Arnoldi
>>> On 27 Apr 2009, at 08:24, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> Also many experienced users, trust Apple
>> enough to take a bite from
>>>>> day one of a new release - after all it's
>> not Microsoft were are
>>>>> talking about here. I adopted Tiger and
>> Leopard weeks after they
>>>>> came
>>>>> out and while Tiger broke a few apps - Leopard
>> has been plain  
>>>>> sailing
>>>>> with only one app (SuperDuper) not working in
>> Leopard.
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>> 
>> 
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype
>> me on  
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM,
>> 80GB HD,  
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:40:43 -0400
>> From: ehitchins at aol.com
>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] 1st beginners course meeting
>> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
>> Message-ID:
>> <8CB95335E587E98-97C-26FB at webmail-dx21.sysops.aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii";
>> format=flowed
>> 
>> Hi Alan
>> 
>> Thanks for the course preparation work
>> 
>> My preference would be for Thursday evenings, I can make
>> Saturday 
>> mornings with the exception of Saturday 9th May
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Eric Hitchins
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alan Barber <alanbarber at mac.com>
>> To: nmugs Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>> Sent: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 8:10
>> Subject: [NMUG] 1st beginners course meeting
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have checked at St Matthews Church and can narrow down
>> the best
>> two meeting times as Thursday evenings and Saturday
>> mornings.
>> 
>> For all those wishing to attend the 1st meeting would you
>> email your
>> preference and we will go with the majority.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________________________________________________
>> AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails
>> whilst on the 
>> move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited
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>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 10:45:26 +0100
>> From: Jules Slaughter <jinshinjewels at googlemail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] 1st beginners course meeting
>> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>> Message-ID:
>> <adb0e98a0904270245h7b6879bcnfa843f1395dc92cb at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>> 
>> Dear Alan
>> 
>> Thanks for sorting it out.  Saturdays are difficult for me
>> as I have
>> to earn a living.  If I have no clients on the day then
>> obviously I
>> will be there.  Thursdays are better therefore for me.
>> 
>> Keep me informed.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Jules
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/27/09, ehitchins at aol.com <ehitchins at aol.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Hi Alan
>>> 
>>>  Thanks for the course preparation work
>>> 
>>>  My preference would be for Thursday evenings, I can
>> make Saturday
>>>  mornings with the exception of Saturday 9th May
>>> 
>>>  Regards
>>> 
>>>  Eric Hitchins
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>  From: Alan Barber <alanbarber at mac.com>
>>>  To: nmugs Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>>> 
>>> Sent: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 8:10
>>>  Subject: [NMUG] 1st beginners course meeting
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have checked at St Matthews Church and can narrow
>> down the best
>>>  two meeting times as Thursday evenings and Saturday
>> mornings.
>>> 
>>>  For all those wishing to attend the 1st meeting would
>> you email your
>>>  preference and we will go with the majority.
>>> 
>>>  Regards
>>> 
>>>  Alan
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>  NMUG mailing list
>>>  NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>  http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> ________________________________________________________________________
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>> Emails whilst on the
>>>  move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with
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>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>  NMUG mailing list
>>>  NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>>  http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jules
>> 
>> CalmClasses & Therapies
>> to improve your health.
>> 
>> My business works on referrals.
>> If you like what I do, please tell others.
>> If not, please tell me.
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:14:18 +0100
>> From: Robbie Murray <macman at f2s.com>
>> Subject: [NMUG] For all the Virgins out there being
>> throttled .....
>> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>> Message-ID:
>> <D13BFB3A-AC0D-4736-9AE8-050E4BEC0B2D at f2s.com>
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>> "Virgin Media is once more featured in the weekly list
>> of ASA  
>> adjudications, with a ruling about the use of the term
>> 'unlimited' and 
>> lack of prominence given to the cable provider's
>> traffic management
>> policy."
>> 
>> http://tinyurl.com/c36zq2
>> 
>> 
>> Robbie
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 11:40:53 +0100
>> From: Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
>> Subject: [NMUG] Which Version Of Ubuntu?
>> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
>> Message-ID:
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>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> I know some of you delve into the world of Linux and I was
>> wondering  
>> which version of Ubuntu would suit my PowerBook G4 867Mhz
>> with 1GB of  
>> RAM better.
>> 
>> I was looking at Xubuntu which uses the XFE desktop
>> environment and is
>> better suited for older machines, but it says it will run
>> on G3 with  
>> 128MB of RAM comfortably - making it probably pretty quick
>> on a  
>> machine with mid range G4 with 1GB.
>> 
>> You then have Ubuntu and Kubuntu (KDE based).
>> 
>> Which one would run the smoothest. XFE is a nice
>> environment and so is
>> Gnome. Not too keen on KDE.
>> 
>> Simon Royal
>> ---
>> Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype
>> me on  
>> 'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM,
>> 80GB HD,  
>> SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From kelvinyoungs at mac.com  Mon Apr 27 18:07:58 2009
From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:07:58 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 1st beginners course meeting
In-Reply-To: <B4F856EA-F685-4894-BD2C-73F5E259F357@mac.com>
References: <B4F856EA-F685-4894-BD2C-73F5E259F357@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4BB777F7-BDE4-4E76-BC2A-31D628F86864@mac.com>

Thursdays are best for me - in fact Saturday is out as I work most  
Saturdays - but it seems that the majority are going for a Saturday?

Kelvin


From ricnev at mac.com  Mon Apr 27 18:17:11 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:17:11 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 1st beginners course meeting
In-Reply-To: <4BB777F7-BDE4-4E76-BC2A-31D628F86864@mac.com>
References: <B4F856EA-F685-4894-BD2C-73F5E259F357@mac.com>
	<4BB777F7-BDE4-4E76-BC2A-31D628F86864@mac.com>
Message-ID: <23C41BD6-7E4C-416B-B483-E35AB876E718@mac.com>

Like all polls, the result is unknown until the poll closes and the  
votes are counted.

There are still quite a few voices to be heard, so who knows...


On 27 Apr 2009, at 18:07, Kelvin Youngs wrote:

> Thursdays are best for me - in fact Saturday is out as I work most
> Saturdays - but it seems that the majority are going for a Saturday?
>
> Kelvin


Richard Nevill






From lizbarnard at btinternet.com  Mon Apr 27 18:21:57 2009
From: lizbarnard at btinternet.com (Liz)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:21:57 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Training courses
Message-ID: <C61BA845.753A%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>

Can do most Thursday evenings and most Saturday mornings, barring hols and
stuff.

Liz


From minkennison at mac.com  Mon Apr 27 20:28:27 2009
From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:28:27 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Michael Crook
In-Reply-To: <6EAE9598-0FEE-4BD0-AC71-F39C1FBFD751@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <6EAE9598-0FEE-4BD0-AC71-F39C1FBFD751@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <201EFB82-8455-4E28-99A8-131611786BB6@mac.com>

  Paul
Could we not, through you and the web group you set up for him,, send  
him our best wishes for a speedy recovery and that we look forward to  
seeing him again when he feels able to join us.

Min
On 27 Apr 2009, at 12:1927 Apr 2009, Paul Chapman wrote:

> his is to let you know that one of our members, Michael Crook, is in
> Critical Care at Papworth Hospital



From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk  Tue Apr 28 00:07:05 2009
From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 00:07:05 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Classic
Message-ID: <1D1D997D-6FF6-4269-923A-C7FFF10C47F5@freeflightsupplies.co.uk>

Guys

A question.

Over the last year I've been slowly sorting and shifting stuff off the  
old Imac that has OS9 to the new with the latest OS10. I've finally  
just about sorted however I have some old software that I would like  
to use but it's no longer supported. I'm told that I could put OS9 on  
the new machine as well so I could use this software.

So can I? If I can should I? advantages, disadvantages, problems etc  
etc please.

Thanks.

Michael Woodhouse
mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk
http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/






From ricnev at mac.com  Tue Apr 28 00:22:43 2009
From: ricnev at mac.com (Richard Nevill)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 00:22:43 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Classic
In-Reply-To: <1D1D997D-6FF6-4269-923A-C7FFF10C47F5@freeflightsupplies.co.uk>
References: <1D1D997D-6FF6-4269-923A-C7FFF10C47F5@freeflightsupplies.co.uk>
Message-ID: <12FAE435-3501-40A9-96A3-F7F9FE988277@mac.com>

This site seems to have a method using Sheep Shaver which might let  
you run OS9 on your new iMac:

http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/08/7352/


On 28 Apr 2009, at 00:07, Michael Woodhouse wrote:

> Guys
>
> A question.
>
> Over the last year I've been slowly sorting and shifting stuff off the
> old Imac that has OS9 to the new with the latest OS10. I've finally
> just about sorted however I have some old software that I would like
> to use but it's no longer supported. I'm told that I could put OS9 on
> the new machine as well so I could use this software.
>
> So can I?

Possibly


> If I can should I?

Can't answer that one.





Richard Nevill






From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue Apr 28 07:48:50 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 07:48:50 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Classic
In-Reply-To: <1D1D997D-6FF6-4269-923A-C7FFF10C47F5@freeflightsupplies.co.uk>
References: <1D1D997D-6FF6-4269-923A-C7FFF10C47F5@freeflightsupplies.co.uk>
Message-ID: <86E16170-690A-48E6-869A-D2663068CE3D@durrant.co.uk>

If your new iMac has an Intel processor, you can't run Classic. The  
only way to run Mac OS 9 would be to use a separate emulator programm.  
IMO, it's really not worth it.

Paul

On 28 Apr 2009, at 00:07, Michael Woodhouse wrote:

> Over the last year I've been slowly sorting and shifting stuff off the
> old Imac that has OS9 to the new with the latest OS10. I've finally
> just about sorted however I have some old software that I would like
> to use but it's no longer supported. I'm told that I could put OS9 on
> the new machine as well so I could use this software.
>
> So can I? If I can should I? advantages, disadvantages, problems etc
> etc please.



From june.perrett at mac.com  Tue Apr 28 08:08:46 2009
From: june.perrett at mac.com (June Perrett)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:08:46 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Unable to eject CD disk
Message-ID: <9193F279-F811-4A8A-A034-7102E3BE79C2@mac.com>

In iPhoto I've just burnt a short movie (386Mb) taken with a digital  
camera in .MPG format to a CD-R disc. Everything seemed to be going  
well but at the end this message came up 'Burn failed because of  
medium write error'.

The disk had popped slightly out of the slot on the side of my iMac  
(as they do). So I pushed the disc in again as I wanted to check if  
this was true ... and now the disc won't eject!

I've pressed the eject button a few times but no luck. Is there  
another way of removing the disc?

Many thanks.
June


From june.perrett at mac.com  Tue Apr 28 08:20:02 2009
From: june.perrett at mac.com (June Perrett)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:20:02 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Disc won't eject - problem solved
Message-ID: <4247D23B-FB96-448A-96AB-48BDD82BEC81@mac.com>

Please ignore my previous plea for help. I'm a happy bunny now!

I closed everything and 'shut down'. When I switched the computer on  
again the disc popped out.
Big sighs of relief this end.

June 


From macman at f2s.com  Tue Apr 28 08:23:45 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:23:45 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Unable to eject CD disk
In-Reply-To: <9193F279-F811-4A8A-A034-7102E3BE79C2@mac.com>
References: <9193F279-F811-4A8A-A034-7102E3BE79C2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <9D25940C-5F4B-47AC-B978-C86CE016428D@f2s.com>

Hi June

Is there a lot of clicking going on while you hold down the eject  
key?  As if it's trying to eject, but hitting an obstacle?


1. Does it show on your desktop? if so, drag to Trash

2. Hold down Apple & 'E' keys together

3 Reboot whilst holding down the (left) mouse button (may not work  
with a Bluetooth mouse)

If you get the chance again to grab and remove it, I would take it!

Robbie



On 28 Apr 2009, at 08:08, June Perrett wrote:

In iPhoto I've just burnt a short movie (386Mb) taken with a digital
camera in .MPG format to a CD-R disc. Everything seemed to be going
well but at the end this message came up 'Burn failed because of
medium write error'.

The disk had popped slightly out of the slot on the side of my iMac
(as they do). So I pushed the disc in again as I wanted to check if
this was true ... and now the disc won't eject!

I've pressed the eject button a few times but no luck. Is there
another way of removing the disc?

Many thanks.
June
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From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk  Tue Apr 28 09:36:10 2009
From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:36:10 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Classic
In-Reply-To: <86E16170-690A-48E6-869A-D2663068CE3D@durrant.co.uk>
References: <1D1D997D-6FF6-4269-923A-C7FFF10C47F5@freeflightsupplies.co.uk>
	<86E16170-690A-48E6-869A-D2663068CE3D@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8264A76E-7E6F-4A52-A773-71881BBBE40B@freeflightsupplies.co.uk>

Thanks. I was wishing and hoping. You are correct, that's why I  
started again with 10 and put 9 in the past.

Michael Woodhouse
mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk
http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/




On 28 Apr 2009, at 07:48, Paul Durrant wrote:

> If your new iMac has an Intel processor, you can't run Classic. The
> only way to run Mac OS 9 would be to use a separate emulator programm.
> IMO, it's really not worth it.
>
> Paul
>
> On 28 Apr 2009, at 00:07, Michael Woodhouse wrote:
>
>> Over the last year I've been slowly sorting and shifting stuff off  
>> the
>> old Imac that has OS9 to the new with the latest OS10. I've finally
>> just about sorted however I have some old software that I would like
>> to use but it's no longer supported. I'm told that I could put OS9 on
>> the new machine as well so I could use this software.
>>
>> So can I? If I can should I? advantages, disadvantages, problems etc
>> etc please.
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From brian at clearlight.uk.net  Tue Apr 28 11:15:06 2009
From: brian at clearlight.uk.net (Brian Steere)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:15:06 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 54/Tuition
In-Reply-To: <C61B9915.29109%brian@clearlight.uk.net>
Message-ID: <C61C95BA.2919B%brian@clearlight.uk.net>

oops!

>> 
>>> End of NMUG Digest, Vol 63, Issue 54
>>> ************************************
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From alanbarber at mac.com  Tue Apr 28 13:43:27 2009
From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:43:27 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac Basics Meeting
Message-ID: <C4B41296-67E9-4E5E-99AC-6522B44A8E9C@mac.com>

> Richard Nevill has offered to do a Mac introductory course at
> St. Matthews Church
> Telegraph Lane West,
> Norwich
> on Sat 9th May starting at 10.00.
>
> He will start with a basic talk on the Mac way of doing things,  
> concentrating on how to get help, find out where things are located  
> and generally how to get around your Mac.
> If there is time he will start to look at the Finder, then after  
> coffee we will find out what the group would like at future sessions.
>
> We thought it would be a good idea to hold these meetings about the  
> 2nd Sat in each month.
> This would not clash with the regular 4th Weds meet and we hope some  
> of you as you get more proficient
> will also attend on the Weds.
>
> Please email me direct or on the nmug group so we can organise the  
> correct seating for the 9th.
>
> I know this will not be convenient for everyone and I apologise for  
> this in advance.

Regards

Alan
		



From ehitchins at aol.com  Tue Apr 28 16:30:11 2009
From: ehitchins at aol.com (ehitchins at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:30:11 -0400
Subject: [NMUG] Mac Basics Meeting
In-Reply-To: <C4B41296-67E9-4E5E-99AC-6522B44A8E9C@mac.com>
References: <C4B41296-67E9-4E5E-99AC-6522B44A8E9C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8CB962D5A3EDFC6-89C-6AE@FWM-M42.sysops.aol.com>

Alan

Sorry to see that the first session is to be 9th May, regrettably that 
is, as I said in my earlier reply, is a date I cannot make.
I look forward to subsequent sessions

Eric Hitchins

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Barber <alanbarber at mac.com>
To: nmugs Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Sent: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:43
Subject: [NMUG] Mac Basics Meeting










> Richard Nevill has offered to do a Mac introductory course at
> St. Matthews Church
> Telegraph Lane West,
> Norwich
> on Sat 9th May starting at 10.00.
>
> He will start with a basic talk on the Mac way of doing things,
> concentrating on how to get help, find out where things are located
> and generally how to get around your Mac.
> If there is time he will start to look at the Finder, then after
> coffee we will find out what the group would like at future sessions.
>
> We thought it would be a good idea to hold these meetings about the
> 2nd Sat in each month.
> This would not clash with the regular 4th Weds meet and we hope some
> of you as you get more proficient
> will also attend on the Weds.
>
> Please email me direct or on the nmug group so we can organise the
> correct seating for the 9th.
>
> I know this will not be convenient for everyone and I apologise for
> this in advance.

Regards

Alan


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From jinshinjewels at googlemail.com  Tue Apr 28 16:54:33 2009
From: jinshinjewels at googlemail.com (Jules Slaughter)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:54:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac Basics Meeting
In-Reply-To: <8CB962D5A3EDFC6-89C-6AE@FWM-M42.sysops.aol.com>
References: <C4B41296-67E9-4E5E-99AC-6522B44A8E9C@mac.com>
	<8CB962D5A3EDFC6-89C-6AE@FWM-M42.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <adb0e98a0904280854r29bd4a63j23ba36068e079ff7@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Alan

I CAN make it as I was going to London and am not now.  Yippee.

Jules




On 4/28/09, ehitchins at aol.com <ehitchins at aol.com> wrote:
> Alan
>
>  Sorry to see that the first session is to be 9th May, regrettably that
>  is, as I said in my earlier reply, is a date I cannot make.
>  I look forward to subsequent sessions
>
>  Eric Hitchins
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Alan Barber <alanbarber at mac.com>
>  To: nmugs Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>  Sent: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:43
>  Subject: [NMUG] Mac Basics Meeting
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  > Richard Nevill has offered to do a Mac introductory course at
>  > St. Matthews Church
>  > Telegraph Lane West,
>  > Norwich
>  > on Sat 9th May starting at 10.00.
>  >
>  > He will start with a basic talk on the Mac way of doing things,
>  > concentrating on how to get help, find out where things are located
>  > and generally how to get around your Mac.
>  > If there is time he will start to look at the Finder, then after
>  > coffee we will find out what the group would like at future sessions.
>  >
>  > We thought it would be a good idea to hold these meetings about the
>  > 2nd Sat in each month.
>  > This would not clash with the regular 4th Weds meet and we hope some
>  > of you as you get more proficient
>  > will also attend on the Weds.
>  >
>  > Please email me direct or on the nmug group so we can organise the
>  > correct seating for the 9th.
>  >
>  > I know this will not be convenient for everyone and I apologise for
>  > this in advance.
>
>  Regards
>
>  Alan
>
>
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From rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com  Tue Apr 28 18:03:58 2009
From: rchrdstwrt43 at googlemail.com (Richard Stewart)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:03:58 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac Basics Meeting
In-Reply-To: <C4B41296-67E9-4E5E-99AC-6522B44A8E9C@mac.com>
References: <C4B41296-67E9-4E5E-99AC-6522B44A8E9C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E2568DB2-A14F-4871-8ED7-163AF3EFBC11@gmail.com>

Hi Alan, yes please include me on your seating plan.
Richard
rchrdstwrt43 at gmail.com



On 28 Apr 2009, at 13:43, Alan Barber wrote:

>>  Sat 9th May



From june.perrett at mac.com  Tue Apr 28 18:36:52 2009
From: june.perrett at mac.com (June Perrett)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:36:52 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Unable to eject disk again
Message-ID: <EEBBF9B5-A787-4D5B-823C-EF9714956121@mac.com>

I've done it again! Another disk made in QuickTime won't eject!
Is there a jinx on QuickTime or something else?
Could I have damaged the 'spring mechanism' for ejecting a disk - if I  
pushed the disk in forcefully?

Robbie (Murray) thank you so much for replying and for your  
suggestions which I've tried.
1. There's no clicking sound when I press Eject.
2. On the desktop there's no disk icon to drag into trash.
3. When I hold the Apple & 'E' keys together there's a rapid drumming  
sound like a tomtom being beaten - but the disk does not eject.
4. Holding down the Left-side button of the wireless mouse does not  
solve the problem
5. Shutting down (not logging off), rebooting and holding the Left  
button on the wireless mouse does not work.

Does anyone have any other suggestions?
Many thanks.
June



From minkennison at mac.com  Tue Apr 28 18:40:05 2009
From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:40:05 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Unable to eject disk again
In-Reply-To: <EEBBF9B5-A787-4D5B-823C-EF9714956121@mac.com>
References: <EEBBF9B5-A787-4D5B-823C-EF9714956121@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E2DBFF95-AEEE-4B4C-85BC-666AFED75E05@mac.com>

Hi June

I had a powerbook that did the same from time to time.  when all else  
failed then I used to tip it backwards slightly so the keyboard was  
off the table and the slot was raised and the disc usually popped  
out!  Worth a try.

Min
On 28 Apr 2009, at 18:3628 Apr 2009, June Perrett wrote:

> I've done it again! Another disk made in QuickTime won't eject!
> Is there a jinx on QuickTime or something else?
> Could I have damaged the 'spring mechanism' for ejecting a disk - if I
> pushed the disk in forcefully?
>
> Robbie (Murray) thank you so much for replying and for your
> suggestions which I've tried.
> 1. There's no clicking sound when I press Eject.
> 2. On the desktop there's no disk icon to drag into trash.
> 3. When I hold the Apple & 'E' keys together there's a rapid drumming
> sound like a tomtom being beaten - but the disk does not eject.
> 4. Holding down the Left-side button of the wireless mouse does not
> solve the problem
> 5. Shutting down (not logging off), rebooting and holding the Left
> button on the wireless mouse does not work.
>
> Does anyone have any other suggestions?
> Many thanks.
> June
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From macman at f2s.com  Tue Apr 28 19:19:49 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:19:49 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Unable to eject disk again
In-Reply-To: <EEBBF9B5-A787-4D5B-823C-EF9714956121@mac.com>
References: <EEBBF9B5-A787-4D5B-823C-EF9714956121@mac.com>
Message-ID: <98A2ECDF-FA70-4C7D-959A-40EE83B25D5A@f2s.com>

When you reboot, does the disk show up on the desktop?





On 28 Apr 2009, at 18:36, June Perrett wrote:

I've done it again! Another disk made in QuickTime won't eject!
Is there a jinx on QuickTime or something else?
Could I have damaged the 'spring mechanism' for ejecting a disk - if I
pushed the disk in forcefully?

Robbie (Murray) thank you so much for replying and for your
suggestions which I've tried.
1. There's no clicking sound when I press Eject.
2. On the desktop there's no disk icon to drag into trash.
3. When I hold the Apple & 'E' keys together there's a rapid drumming
sound like a tomtom being beaten - but the disk does not eject.
4. Holding down the Left-side button of the wireless mouse does not
solve the problem
5. Shutting down (not logging off), rebooting and holding the Left
button on the wireless mouse does not work.

Does anyone have any other suggestions?
Many thanks.
June

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From june.perrett at mac.com  Wed Apr 29 12:53:07 2009
From: june.perrett at mac.com (June Perrett)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 12:53:07 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Re-Unable to eject disk
Message-ID: <48B4A761-CA37-437C-92B9-82CC9FCABEE3@mac.com>

Success - the disk is out.
Re-booting and at same time holding down Left button on mouse, and  
GENTLY tapping the back and sides of computer seemed to do the trick.
My thanks to Min, Robbie and Jon for your help.
June


From ashley.howes at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 15:09:14 2009
From: ashley.howes at gmail.com (Ashley Howes)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:09:14 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] I think my Mac just broke completely
Message-ID: <a94f2b6b0904290709o1800ed3flc68aa1f910964856@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I think by iMac 24 inch just broke.  It's been crashing occassionally
and today it won't boot at all.  No startup chime, nothing.  All it
does is spin a fan then stops :(

Any ideas?

--

Ashley


From macman at f2s.com  Wed Apr 29 15:24:06 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:24:06 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] I think my Mac just broke completely
In-Reply-To: <a94f2b6b0904290709o1800ed3flc68aa1f910964856@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a94f2b6b0904290709o1800ed3flc68aa1f910964856@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <19FAE24C-E7BE-4B4C-8704-A815CB3ACEDE@f2s.com>

Try Starting in Safe Mode -  hold down shift key (for a long time) as  
soon as you switch on ....

Robbie


On 29 Apr 2009, at 15:09, Ashley Howes wrote:

Hi all,

I think by iMac 24 inch just broke.  It's been crashing occassionally
and today it won't boot at all.  No startup chime, nothing.  All it
does is spin a fan then stops :(

Any ideas?

--

Ashley
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Apr 29 15:26:36 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:26:36 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] I think my Mac just broke completely
In-Reply-To: <19FAE24C-E7BE-4B4C-8704-A815CB3ACEDE@f2s.com>
References: <a94f2b6b0904290709o1800ed3flc68aa1f910964856@mail.gmail.com>
	<19FAE24C-E7BE-4B4C-8704-A815CB3ACEDE@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <9FE8D988-FACF-417A-91C2-77B318525DFF@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

Try throwing it in the bin and getting a G4...

No seriously, this happened to my Intel iMac - same symptoms. It was a  
blown power board inside, which fried pretty much every internal  
component - hard drive included.

Simon
On 29 Apr 2009, at 15:24, Robbie Murray wrote:

> Try Starting in Safe Mode -  hold down shift key (for a long time) as
> soon as you switch on ....
>
> Robbie
>
>
> On 29 Apr 2009, at 15:09, Ashley Howes wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I think by iMac 24 inch just broke.  It's been crashing occassionally
> and today it won't boot at all.  No startup chime, nothing.  All it
> does is spin a fan then stops :(
>
> Any ideas?
>
> --
>
> Ashley
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

Simon Royal
---
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SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed Apr 29 15:50:48 2009
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:50:48 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] I think my Mac just broke completely
In-Reply-To: <a94f2b6b0904290709o1800ed3flc68aa1f910964856@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a94f2b6b0904290709o1800ed3flc68aa1f910964856@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D6617472-4E8C-4AF6-A323-8ADCB67C8E27@durrant.co.uk>

How old? If in guarantee or under AppleCare, go that route.

The bad capacitors were only on 17" and 20" iMac G5s, as far as I  
know, but it's possible that that is the problem.

Try booting off DVD?

Paul

On 29 Apr 2009, at 15:09, Ashley Howes wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I think by iMac 24 inch just broke.  It's been crashing occassionally
> and today it won't boot at all.  No startup chime, nothing.  All it
> does is spin a fan then stops :(
>
> Any ideas?
>
> --
>
> Ashley
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



From lizbarnard at btinternet.com  Wed Apr 29 15:55:35 2009
From: lizbarnard at btinternet.com (Liz)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:55:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac Basics
Message-ID: <C61E28F7.758B%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>

Can?t make the 9th as have booked to see Michael Heseltine?s garden!  Have
done the SMUG Mac basics course so will join in on any subsequent courses.

Liz


From tomkershaw at mac.com  Wed Apr 29 17:11:14 2009
From: tomkershaw at mac.com (Tom Kershaw)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:11:14 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac Basics
In-Reply-To: <C61E28F7.758B%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>
References: <C61E28F7.758B%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <49F87C22.3090804@mac.com>

I hope the trees are doing ok.

Tom.

Liz wrote:
> Can?t make the 9th as have booked to see Michael Heseltine?s garden!  Have
> done the SMUG Mac basics course so will join in on any subsequent courses.
>
> Liz
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>   



From ashley.howes at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 17:56:06 2009
From: ashley.howes at gmail.com (Ashley Howes)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:56:06 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] I think my Mac just broke completely
In-Reply-To: <D6617472-4E8C-4AF6-A323-8ADCB67C8E27@durrant.co.uk>
References: <a94f2b6b0904290709o1800ed3flc68aa1f910964856@mail.gmail.com>
	<D6617472-4E8C-4AF6-A323-8ADCB67C8E27@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <a94f2b6b0904290956l214d3fe9g1a987a20bde46eb0@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Paul Durrant <paul at durrant.co.uk> wrote:
> How old? If in guarantee or under AppleCare, go that route.

About a year, so I think it's just out of guarantee.

> The bad capacitors were only on 17" and 20" iMac G5s, as far as I
> know, but it's possible that that is the problem.
>
> Try booting off DVD?

Doesn't get that far.  The mac doesn't make the chime sound, nor
displays the grey screen :(

--

Ashley


From ashley.howes at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 17:57:23 2009
From: ashley.howes at gmail.com (Ashley Howes)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 17:57:23 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] I think my Mac just broke completely
In-Reply-To: <9FE8D988-FACF-417A-91C2-77B318525DFF@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <a94f2b6b0904290709o1800ed3flc68aa1f910964856@mail.gmail.com>
	<19FAE24C-E7BE-4B4C-8704-A815CB3ACEDE@f2s.com>
	<9FE8D988-FACF-417A-91C2-77B318525DFF@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <a94f2b6b0904290957s733c0545i9607d423b6204a9a@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Try throwing it in the bin and getting a G4...
>
> No seriously, this happened to my Intel iMac - same symptoms. It was a
> blown power board inside, which fried pretty much every internal
> component - hard drive included.

How long ago did you buy it?  I wonder if there were some dodgy ones
which got through including mine.

--

Ashley


From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Wed Apr 29 18:27:42 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:27:42 +0100
Subject: [NMUG]  I think my Mac just broke completely
References: D6617472-4E8C-4AF6-A323-8ADCB67C8E27@durrant.co.uk
Message-ID: <49F88E0E.8020706@stackyard.org>

My first post to the group so I hope this works.

As previous posters have suggested, this is either a dead PSU or logic 
board.  I've not had a 24" iMac apart so I don't know what's involved in 
changing the body parts.  I presume you have unplugged from the mains 
for a while to reset the power management system but if it has been 
crashing recently, it sounds like something was going and now it's 
gone.  You could always argue with Apple that just over a year is not a 
reasonable lifetime as defined by the Sale of Goods Act, 1979 but that 
will probably mean putting up a fight.  Still, worth a go.

Good luck in your endeavors.

Ken



From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Wed Apr 29 18:38:02 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:38:02 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] I think my Mac just broke completely
In-Reply-To: <49F88E0E.8020706@stackyard.org>
References: D6617472-4E8C-4AF6-A323-8ADCB67C8E27@durrant.co.uk
	<49F88E0E.8020706@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <463CBD09-99B7-460D-9B2E-E37BDC955313@virgin.net>


On Apr 29, 2009, at 18:27, Ken Hamer wrote:

> You could always argue with Apple that just over a year is not a
> reasonable lifetime as defined by the Sale of Goods Act, 1979 but that
> will probably mean putting up a fight.  Still, worth a go.

It is definitely worth a go, it has been done before with success. It  
might also help if it was paid for by credit card as you can go to  
them with the same reason, that has also been successful. Certainly do  
not give up or if it is going in the bin then let me bring my bin  
round to help!

Paul C



From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Wed Apr 29 19:45:29 2009
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:45:29 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] I think my Mac just broke completely
In-Reply-To: <49F88E0E.8020706@stackyard.org>
References: D6617472-4E8C-4AF6-A323-8ADCB67C8E27@durrant.co.uk
	<49F88E0E.8020706@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <1E003E00-04BB-4138-9876-EAFCFA645036@zen.co.uk>

Go to the Apple Store in Cambridge and book a slot with a genius and  
ask about it. If its close to the warranty expiry they might be nice  
especially if you are nice but persistent.

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk




On 29 Apr 2009, at 18:27, Ken Hamer wrote:

> My first post to the group so I hope this works.
>
> As previous posters have suggested, this is either a dead PSU or logic
> board.  I've not had a 24" iMac apart so I don't know what's  
> involved in
> changing the body parts.  I presume you have unplugged from the mains
> for a while to reset the power management system but if it has been
> crashing recently, it sounds like something was going and now it's
> gone.  You could always argue with Apple that just over a year is  
> not a
> reasonable lifetime as defined by the Sale of Goods Act, 1979 but that
> will probably mean putting up a fight.  Still, worth a go.
>
> Good luck in your endeavors.
>
> Ken
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From richardivers at mac.com  Wed Apr 29 19:56:27 2009
From: richardivers at mac.com (Richard Ivers)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:56:27 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac Basics Meeting
In-Reply-To: <C4B41296-67E9-4E5E-99AC-6522B44A8E9C@mac.com>
References: <C4B41296-67E9-4E5E-99AC-6522B44A8E9C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <666ACB63-5D48-4FE0-A427-5CF4B8ED5746@mac.com>

Book me a place.

Regards

Richard
>
>


From june.perrett at mac.com  Wed Apr 29 22:17:35 2009
From: june.perrett at mac.com (June Perrett)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 22:17:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Apple Mac tution courses
Message-ID: <DC9CA0C0-2BF2-4B36-ACB9-A8C96BA01AAF@mac.com>

Saturdays or Thursdays are OK for me - but I can't come on May 9th,  
nor on August 8th.

I mentioned I'd post an updated list of NMUG members wishing to attend  
and their preferences.
1.  Liz Barnard		Either day (not Sat. 9th May)
2.  Jules Slaughter	Thurs (some Saturdays) but CAN COME on Sat. 9th May
3.  Kevin Allenby		Either day - but prefer Saturday
4.  Min Kennison		Saturday
5.  Richard Stewart	Saturday
6.  Peter James		Saturday
7.  Kelvin Youngs		Thurs
8.  Richard Ivers		Saturday
9.  Jim Massy		Either day - but not until June
10. Simone Massy	Either day - but not until June
11. Eric Hitchins		Either - but prefer Thursday. (Cannot attend on 9th  
May)
12. Peter Forrester	(no information)
13. Ivor Cloke		(no information)
14. Ivor's friend		(no information)
15.June Perrett		Either day (not 9th May, nor 8th August)
16. Haydn Perrett		Either day (ditto)
17. Tobias Arnup		(no information)
18. Valerie Mercer	Saturday
19. Val's neighbour	(no information)
20. Val's other neighbour (no information)
21. Sue West			Saturday

Sorry I can't make the first meeting.
June







From karl.hortt at btinternet.com  Thu Apr 30 06:57:09 2009
From: karl.hortt at btinternet.com (Karl Hortt)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 06:57:09 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Emac for sale
Message-ID: <E003841F-A42D-47D6-9A97-D28FD719F180@btinternet.com>


Hi All,

I have another emac for sale


this time it is :-


1ghz processor
765 meg memory
80 hard drive
Combo drive
keyboard and mouse

running leopard


?75,

pickup only in suffolk, 15 minutes south of Diss


anyone interested ?


regards

Karl

From ashley.howes at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 08:32:01 2009
From: ashley.howes at gmail.com (Ashley Howes)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:32:01 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] I think my Mac just broke completely
In-Reply-To: <49F88E0E.8020706@stackyard.org>
References: <49F88E0E.8020706@stackyard.org>
Message-ID: <a94f2b6b0904300032yfb5c283p7d812ff78e30a338@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Ken Hamer <ken.hamer at stackyard.org> wrote:
> My first post to the group so I hope this works.
>
> As previous posters have suggested, this is either a dead PSU or logic
> board. ?I've not had a 24" iMac apart so I don't know what's involved in
> changing the body parts. ?I presume you have unplugged from the mains
> for a while to reset the power management system but if it has been
> crashing recently, it sounds like something was going and now it's
> gone. ?You could always argue with Apple that just over a year is not a
> reasonable lifetime as defined by the Sale of Goods Act, 1979 but that
> will probably mean putting up a fight. ?Still, worth a go.

Hi,

I unplugged it from the mains yesterday and left it for a few hours.
I then reconnected and it booted up, so I've now copied everything off
of it.  Therefore it's not as bad as first thought.  I will run the
apple hardware test on it and some other diagnostic stuff to see if it
finds anything first.  I'm guessing though that the problem is within
the power management system somewhere?  Is this all hardware-based or
can I reset it, e.g. will resetting the PRAM help?  Will a fresh OS
install help?

--

Ashley


From macman at f2s.com  Thu Apr 30 08:42:25 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:42:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] I think my Mac just broke completely
In-Reply-To: <a94f2b6b0904300032yfb5c283p7d812ff78e30a338@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49F88E0E.8020706@stackyard.org>
	<a94f2b6b0904300032yfb5c283p7d812ff78e30a338@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D7A630BC-7460-4824-BE2F-F822233F8622@f2s.com>

Looks like you've already reset the SMC (formerly PMU) simply by  
unplugging, which in previous models involved pressing a tiny internal  
button:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1543

Re-setting the PRAM certainly shouldn't do any harm

Good luck!

Robbie


On 30 Apr 2009, at 08:32, Ashley Howes wrote:

On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Ken Hamer <ken.hamer at stackyard.org>  
wrote:
> My first post to the group so I hope this works.
>
> As previous posters have suggested, this is either a dead PSU or logic
> board.  I've not had a 24" iMac apart so I don't know what's  
> involved in
> changing the body parts.  I presume you have unplugged from the mains
> for a while to reset the power management system but if it has been
> crashing recently, it sounds like something was going and now it's
> gone.  You could always argue with Apple that just over a year is  
> not a
> reasonable lifetime as defined by the Sale of Goods Act, 1979 but that
> will probably mean putting up a fight.  Still, worth a go.

Hi,

I unplugged it from the mains yesterday and left it for a few hours.
I then reconnected and it booted up, so I've now copied everything off
of it.  Therefore it's not as bad as first thought.  I will run the
apple hardware test on it and some other diagnostic stuff to see if it
finds anything first.  I'm guessing though that the problem is within
the power management system somewhere?  Is this all hardware-based or
can I reset it, e.g. will resetting the PRAM help?  Will a fresh OS
install help?

--

Ashley
_______________________________________________
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From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Thu Apr 30 08:52:41 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:52:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] I think my Mac just broke completely
In-Reply-To: <a94f2b6b0904300032yfb5c283p7d812ff78e30a338@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49F88E0E.8020706@stackyard.org>
	<a94f2b6b0904300032yfb5c283p7d812ff78e30a338@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49F958C9.7030505@stackyard.org>



From ken.hamer at stackyard.org  Thu Apr 30 09:00:52 2009
From: ken.hamer at stackyard.org (Ken Hamer)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 09:00:52 +0100
Subject: [NMUG]  I think my Mac just broke completely
References: a94f2b6b0904300032yfb5c283p7d812ff78e30a338@mail.gmail.com
Message-ID: <49F95AB4.4010102@stackyard.org>

2nd attempt.  Don't know what happened to the text in my previous post.  
It was all there... honest.

Anyway, what I said was that I suspect that this is hardware-related 
rather than anything to do with the OS so I don't think a re-install 
will help.  Also, although you can try a PRAM reset, I suspect it won't 
have much effect.  Hopefully, you will find that you're OK now, but if 
it starts to crash again or fails to start, it means there is definitely 
some sort of problem so contact Apple.  And, of course, make sure you're 
backed up.  I have a feeling in my bones that the machine will end up 
needing a new PSU or logic board at some point in the future but 
hopefully, I'm being needlessly pessimistic.

Ken


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Apr 30 21:21:00 2009
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:21:00 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac Zipping... The Easy Way
Message-ID: <487BE752-D9E3-484A-B528-44B1664134B3@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I have been using OSX since it came out, but have just learnt a great  
invaluable tip.

If you want to zip a folder and its contents - heres how.

1. Copy to your desktop.
2. Right click or Ctrl+Click and choose Compress.
3. Then a zip file will appear on your desktop.

Wow. Easy. Never knew that.


Simon Royal
---
Visit my Mac site at http://www.simonroyal.co.uk. Or Skype me on  
'Simon-Royal'. (Apple PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD,  
SuperDrive. Mac OSX 10.5, 10.4 & 9.2.2...)






From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Thu Apr 30 21:26:25 2009
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:26:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac Zipping... The Easy Way
In-Reply-To: <487BE752-D9E3-484A-B528-44B1664134B3@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <487BE752-D9E3-484A-B528-44B1664134B3@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5B479E15-2874-4CE4-A62C-B9EA4F6BCC91@virgin.net>


On Apr 30, 2009, at 21:21, Simon Royal wrote:

> If you want to zip a folder and its contents - heres how.
>
> 1. Copy to your desktop.
> 2. Right click or Ctrl+Click and choose Compress.
> 3. Then a zip file will appear on your desktop.

No need to Copy to Desktop, it will zip it wherever the folder is. You  
can also select several files from all over the place, right click and  
make a zip file. On expansion the files are in their own new folder.

Paul C



From kelvinyoungs at mac.com  Thu Apr 30 21:34:09 2009
From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:34:09 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac Zipping... The Easy Way
In-Reply-To: <5B479E15-2874-4CE4-A62C-B9EA4F6BCC91@virgin.net>
References: <487BE752-D9E3-484A-B528-44B1664134B3@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<5B479E15-2874-4CE4-A62C-B9EA4F6BCC91@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <2FCA9A83-C533-4451-B41C-79FC8954A49B@mac.com>

Thanks Simon and Paul - little tips like this help us who have a  
limited knowledge of the many mac applications.

Kelvin


From macman at f2s.com  Thu Apr 30 21:42:35 2009
From: macman at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:42:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac Zipping... The Easy Way
In-Reply-To: <2FCA9A83-C533-4451-B41C-79FC8954A49B@mac.com>
References: <487BE752-D9E3-484A-B528-44B1664134B3@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<5B479E15-2874-4CE4-A62C-B9EA4F6BCC91@virgin.net>
	<2FCA9A83-C533-4451-B41C-79FC8954A49B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <AFA55AA8-E644-4718-8B8B-ACBE8DA8C07E@f2s.com>

There's no need to copy it - you can zip it in the original location.

Robbie


On 30 Apr 2009, at 21:34, Kelvin Youngs wrote:

Thanks Simon and Paul - little tips like this help us who have a
limited knowledge of the many mac applications.

Kelvin
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From Interjay2 at btinternet.com  Thu Apr 30 23:58:41 2009
From: Interjay2 at btinternet.com (Peter James)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 23:58:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Fw: eMac for sale
Message-ID: <C7AB7C9429F345A0816CD4843472306F@fujitsu>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter James" <Interjay2 at btinternet.com>
To: <nmug-request at durrant.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 8:25 PM
Subject: eMac for sale


> Hi everyone.
> I have an eMac which I need to sell to fund a laptop.
> Details are,
> OS X 10.5.6 Leopard.
> 1GB Ram
> 80GB HDD
> CD/DVD Combo.
> c/w Apple Keyboard and mouse.
> Everything in first class order and I will deliver if required.
> ?95 ovno
>
> Thanks
> PJ
>