From dale at ukonline.co.uk  Wed Oct  1 02:27:48 2008
From: dale at ukonline.co.uk (Dale Wright)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 02:27:48 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Sudden loss of broadband speed
In-Reply-To: <p0624080ac5080acfb8cc@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <C50890A4.EBCC%dale@ukonline.co.uk>

On 30/9/08 18:14, "David Van Edwards" <david at vanedwards.co.uk> wrote:

> I'm sorry to have asked about changing channels without first looking
> online, where it's all spelled out in detail. RTFM as they say!
> 
> So ignore that, but still interested in what you think of the
> signal/noise strengths.

Just done a test where I live & 2 networks are both on Channel 1, with about
26% signal strength, but both have 0/Zero Noise!

Others also give 0/Zero Noise, & this is testing from a Computer room full
of stuff, wireless mains power Gauges, wireless Temperature gauges, wireless
mouse, wireless doorbell etc, plus all the electrical stuff too.

> We've just downloaded the updated Airport software but all seems much
> as before and the signal is 46% ! Keeps dropping and won't load
> internet pages wiythin anything like a reasonable time.

Something not right, how far away is the Airport you are doing the tests
with the above info on?

You sure nothing new electrical wise as be introduced to the home or as been
moved since this all started too?

Power off & unplug from the mains both the Airport & Router, leave for a few
mins, Routers can still have there moments of madness. Also check all
Ethernet cables, unplug & re-plug back in a few times will make sure dust
etc as not got on any of the contacts.

Someone wanted to put a new Phone Mast up near you. on the gas Tower on Gas
Hill, did it get the go ahead, bit of a stab in the dark that one, but you
never know.

Any more info you can think of?

BTW take it the Mac effected as been restarted/rebooted since you have been
trying to sort this out?

Can come & have a look if you like, sometimes a 2nd hands on by another
person can help, anyway let me know in any case.


ATB..Dale
A CoCo the Clown Production. [ Spooky RIP 1988-2007 :-( ]





From minkennison at mac.com  Wed Oct  1 07:15:22 2008
From: minkennison at mac.com (Min Kennison)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 07:15:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Sudden loss of broadband speed
Message-ID: <E1680BCB-B342-453C-8F40-978A1D0C1E17@mac.com>

Dear Paul


I am very interested in this thread.  I bought a new Macbook pro less  
that 2 months ago and have been having the same problem with slow  
loafding of the internet. Applecare have spent hours trying to advise  
me to no avail (senior technician!) and eventually I took it to Bite  
who coul find nothing wrong.  Here (in Wicklewood) it is taking for  
ever to load pages.


  I shall attempt to follow your instructions to David - but you know  
how un-technical I am!!! However another question - my apple base  
station is the old dome type which I have had a considerable time  
since new.  Could it be this and the fact that I would therefore need  
to get the latest airport extreme base station?  I am loathe to spend  
over ?100 if that is not likely to be the cause but i understand that  
it is not 11g (whatever that means!!!)

What are your thoughts please?

Min

From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed Oct  1 09:33:08 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:33:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Sudden loss of broadband speed
In-Reply-To: <E1680BCB-B342-453C-8F40-978A1D0C1E17@mac.com>
References: <E1680BCB-B342-453C-8F40-978A1D0C1E17@mac.com>
Message-ID: <A33839D1-A635-4C1B-AD64-46A1F2723C1F@durrant.co.uk>

Even the original airport basestation can manage 5Mbps throughput,  
which should be enough for swift web browsing.

The first thing to check is that it is the wireless connection that's  
the problem. If you can connect to your ADSL modem via ethernet, do  
that and see if the problem goes away. If it doesn't, then it's not a  
wireless problem, but a configuration problem. I recently fixed a  
problem where the computer had the DNS server numbers for an old ISP  
entered, and each DNS lookup was taking about five seconds. Switching  
to OpenDNS servers fixed that immediately.

If it is the wireless signal, it's possible that you have near  
neighbours also with wireless, and that their signal is interfering  
with yours, slowing down transfers. In that case, switching to a  
differnt wireless channel (through the Airport Utility software) might  
solve the problem.

regards,

Paul

On 1 Oct 2008, at 07:15, Min Kennison wrote:

> Dear Paul
>
>
> I am very interested in this thread.  I bought a new Macbook pro  
> less that 2 months ago and have been having the same problem with  
> slow loafding of the internet. Applecare have spent hours trying to  
> advise me to no avail (senior technician!) and eventually I took it  
> to Bite who coul find nothing wrong.  Here (in Wicklewood) it is  
> taking for ever to load pages.
>
>
> I shall attempt to follow your instructions to David - but you know  
> how un-technical I am!!! However another question - my apple base  
> station is the old dome type which I have had a considerable time  
> since new.  Could it be this and the fact that I would therefore  
> need to get the latest airport extreme base station?  I am loathe to  
> spend over ?100 if that is not likely to be the cause but i  
> understand that it is not 11g (whatever that means!!!)
>
> What are your thoughts please?
>
> Min_______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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>



From david at vanedwards.co.uk  Wed Oct  1 10:09:24 2008
From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:09:24 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Sudden loss of broadband speed
In-Reply-To: <C50890A4.EBCC%dale@ukonline.co.uk>
References: <C50890A4.EBCC%dale@ukonline.co.uk>
Message-ID: <p06240803c508e80284cd@[192.168.1.101]>

Dear Dale and Paul,

Thank you both very much for your help and offers of help. We have 
now connected via an ethernet cable and indeed the problem went away 
entirely and Thea gets remarkably good speeds.

So it looks as if it IS the wireless connection in our case. We've 
done most of the unplugging and rebooting but not the router yet as 
that seemed to be working fine for my computer. But will do so later 
today. The only new bit of kit is a 1Tb LaCie hard drive which stands 
nearly between Thea's computer and the base station. Again later 
today we'll try removing this and see what happens. The base station 
is only 2 metres from the computer so I don't think it's a distance 
problem.

We don't know about a new phone mast, but that might explain why all 
the local networks are getting significant noise levels. I'll try to 
check. It might be worth going round to the neighbours to ask whether 
they've had sudden increase in problems too, it's only a small road 
so we should be able to find out who they are.

By the way, what a wonderful application iStumbler is! Thank you Paul!

If all else fails we might take you up on your offer Dale, Thea says 
thank you very much indeed.

Best wishes,

David


At 02:27 +0100 1/10/08, Dale Wright wrote:
>On 30/9/08 18:14, "David Van Edwards" <david at vanedwards.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>  I'm sorry to have asked about changing channels without first looking
>>  online, where it's all spelled out in detail. RTFM as they say!
>>
>>  So ignore that, but still interested in what you think of the
>>  signal/noise strengths.
>
>Just done a test where I live & 2 networks are both on Channel 1, with about
>26% signal strength, but both have 0/Zero Noise!
>
>Others also give 0/Zero Noise, & this is testing from a Computer room full
>of stuff, wireless mains power Gauges, wireless Temperature gauges, wireless
>mouse, wireless doorbell etc, plus all the electrical stuff too.
>
>>  We've just downloaded the updated Airport software but all seems much
>>  as before and the signal is 46% ! Keeps dropping and won't load
>>  internet pages wiythin anything like a reasonable time.
>
>Something not right, how far away is the Airport you are doing the tests
>with the above info on?
>
>You sure nothing new electrical wise as be introduced to the home or as been
>moved since this all started too?
>
>Power off & unplug from the mains both the Airport & Router, leave for a few
>mins, Routers can still have there moments of madness. Also check all
>Ethernet cables, unplug & re-plug back in a few times will make sure dust
>etc as not got on any of the contacts.
>
>Someone wanted to put a new Phone Mast up near you. on the gas Tower on Gas
>Hill, did it get the go ahead, bit of a stab in the dark that one, but you
>never know.
>
>Any more info you can think of?
>
>BTW take it the Mac effected as been restarted/rebooted since you have been
>trying to sort this out?
>
>Can come & have a look if you like, sometimes a 2nd hands on by another
>person can help, anyway let me know in any case.
>
>
>ATB..Dale
>A CoCo the Clown Production. [ Spooky RIP 1988-2007 :-( ]
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>NMUG mailing list
>NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Oct  1 10:37:28 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 01 Oct 2008 10:37:28 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Another Router On Tiscali
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810011037280.16307@webm5.global.net.uk>

Hi

I am with Tiscali for broadband. They are pretty good, had a few issues but 
nothing major. I am using the Tiscali branded Siemens router they supplied.

Can I change it for something else I have heard conflicting info on the 
net? I would like a NetGear. While the Siemens is pretty good and signal is 
strong in most places they remove MAC filtering.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, 
hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple 
Mac.




From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Wed Oct  1 14:20:53 2008
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:20:53 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Noise on Wireless
In-Reply-To: <20081001093738.8779E7B565A@mail.durrant.co.uk>
References: <20081001093738.8779E7B565A@mail.durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <FDF1CABE-15EE-465F-93F3-FA33566A218A@gmail.com>


Good to see someone had the sense to advise switching to Ethernet  
first. Obviously if this works fine, then the speed problem has  
nothing to do with the connection to the Internet per se.

Switching to a clear channel should help, but you might not notice the  
effect unless you persist in testing, because the other device may not  
be active when you are testing.

In general, noise should be as  close to zero as possible, because the  
only contribution noise makes to your experience is to cause resends  
since signal processing on most 802.11 devices is practically zero,  
meaning a suspect packet has to be resent, slowing everything down.  
Above a certain number, sufficient noise will actually block access  
almost entirely since the resend is subjected to  noise and it too  
might have to be resent.

Circuits above 5% noise should be examined and efforts made to isolate  
the cause. You certainly can get 0% noise levels but more than likely  
you'll be seeing 5-10% or worse. You probably won't detect a practical  
performance difference (e.g. pageloads) between a 5% noise connection  
and a 0% noose connection.

Eliminating or reducing noise is an art not a science. Bring the Mac  
close to the base station, all the noise should disappear. If it  
doesn't you have a duff base station or Airport in your Mac. Then  
gradually withdraw it till noise becomes unacceptable. Try orienting  
the Base station to see if you can identify at least the direction of  
the noise. If you can, see if repositioning the Base helps.

Harmonics off microwave devices or cordless phones can present noise  
in the 802.11 spectrum. Moving these devices may help. Watching the  
noise on iStumbler when you turn devices on and off will help ident  
the rogues.

I don't think shielding is a practical proposition but if anyone has  
practical experience to dispute this, I would be interested to hear.

Having spent years fiddling around with 802.11 I have come to the  
conclusion that it ain't worth bothering with for a fixed Mac in a  
home.. Ethernet scores better on all counts and once the cable is in,  
there are no disadvantages. Even when receiving a clear signal a  
direct Ethernet/Airport comparison will show the former to be often  
twice as fast.

I see Airport as a useful feature if I use a mobile device and move  
around the house with it, or if a visitor comes to call with Mac in  
hand, and obviously when I venture out my front door and need mobile  
access. Otherwise it's nothing more than an average solution.


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Oct  1 15:27:09 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 01 Oct 2008 15:27:09 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Noise on Wireless
In-Reply-To: <FDF1CABE-15EE-465F-93F3-FA33566A218A@gmail.com>
References: <20081001093738.8779E7B565A@mail.durrant.co.uk>
	<FDF1CABE-15EE-465F-93F3-FA33566A218A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810011527090.25635@webm5.global.net.uk>

Stefan

Wired ethernet is all very well, but not all of us have the luxury of 
ethernet in the wall.

Yes it is faster and way more secure, but it either means you have to have 
cables running everywhere or located near your router.

Wireless might be slower but it means you put you Mac where ever you like.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, 
hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple 
Mac.


On Oct 1 2008, stefan youngs wrote:


Good to see someone had the sense to advise switching to Ethernet  
first. Obviously if this works fine, then the speed problem has  
nothing to do with the connection to the Internet per se.

Switching to a clear channel should help, but you might not notice the  
effect unless you persist in testing, because the other device may not  
be active when you are testing.

In general, noise should be as  close to zero as possible, because the  
only contribution noise makes to your experience is to cause resends  
since signal processing on most 802.11 devices is practically zero,  
meaning a suspect packet has to be resent, slowing everything down.  
Above a certain number, sufficient noise will actually block access  
almost entirely since the resend is subjected to  noise and it too  
might have to be resent.

Circuits above 5% noise should be examined and efforts made to isolate  
the cause. You certainly can get 0% noise levels but more than likely  
you'll be seeing 5-10% or worse. You probably won't detect a practical  
performance difference (e.g. pageloads) between a 5% noise connection  
and a 0% noose connection.

Eliminating or reducing noise is an art not a science. Bring the Mac  
close to the base station, all the noise should disappear. If it  
doesn't you have a duff base station or Airport in your Mac. Then  
gradually withdraw it till noise becomes unacceptable. Try orienting  
the Base station to see if you can identify at least the direction of  
the noise. If you can, see if repositioning the Base helps.

Harmonics off microwave devices or cordless phones can present noise  
in the 802.11 spectrum. Moving these devices may help. Watching the  
noise on iStumbler when you turn devices on and off will help ident  
the rogues.

I don't think shielding is a practical proposition but if anyone has  
practical experience to dispute this, I would be interested to hear.

Having spent years fiddling around with 802.11 I have come to the  
conclusion that it ain't worth bothering with for a fixed Mac in a  
home.. Ethernet scores better on all counts and once the cable is in,  
there are no disadvantages. Even when receiving a clear signal a  
direct Ethernet/Airport comparison will show the former to be often  
twice as fast.

I see Airport as a useful feature if I use a mobile device and move  
around the house with it, or if a visitor comes to call with Mac in  
hand, and obviously when I venture out my front door and need mobile  
access. Otherwise it's nothing more than an average solution.
_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
NMUG at durrant.co.uk
http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Oct  1 22:33:03 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed,  1 Oct 2008 22:33:03 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iTunes 8 & Artwork
Message-ID: <DzxCNpXSTzWb.gYpSc10l@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

I have been collecting and converting MP3s for a long time, but have only been adding artwork to them for the last couple of years.

Therefore I have a large wedge of single MP3s and albums with no artwork.

1. Is there anyway to sort via artwork in iTunes and pick out which ones have no artwork so I can manually find and add them?

2. Is there any software that will scout for artwork?

I know iTunes 8 has new artwork features.

Simon

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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Oct  1 23:26:45 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed,  1 Oct 2008 23:26:45 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iBook G3 Questions
Message-ID: <dD84LK0Q1w5T.m5X6tVfl@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

A mate of mine was going to chuck a troublesome iBook G3 500mhz in the bin until I told him I'd have it. I'm picking it up on Friday.

He says the screen keeps going dark randomly and it over heats.

It doesn't seem to suffer from the GPU problem like most early iBooks. What are your thoughts? The screen could just be an inverter board or a split screen cable. The heat might just be normal, they do get hot and it is a low end iBook so has to work harder.

My wife had an iBook G3 800mhz and it got warm, I had a PowerBook G4 400mhz and it used to burn my legs through jeans, but that was normal.

It's free, so it's worth looking at.

Simon

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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Oct  2 09:22:16 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 02 Oct 2008 09:22:16 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] G4 AGP - USB 2 Options
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810020922160.30379@webm5.global.net.uk>

Hi

My PowerMac G4 AGP will be arriving today. It only has USB 1.1 and I have a 
lot of USB 2 devices (kind of got used to the higher speed on my Intel 
iMac).

Does anyone know of any PCI expansion cards that are available either 
bonefide Mac ones or generic PC ones that work on the Mac?

Simon

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hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
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Mac.




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Oct  2 09:27:52 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 02 Oct 2008 09:27:52 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] G4 AGP - Graphics Card Options
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810020927520.30379@webm5.global.net.uk>

Hi

My PowerMac G4 AGP will be arriving today. It only has a 16MB AGP Rage 128 
or 128 Pro.

Would adding a better graphics make any difference. I don't do any advanced 
video editing (not on a machine of this speed), but I wondered if it would 
help with everyday tasks.

Also I will run Tiger, but at some point intend on running Leopard which is 
very graphics dependent and relies on Quartz Xtreme.

Does anyone know of a good graphics card that obviously isn't overkill on a 
machine like this. I don't want a 512MB super extreme card, but something 
better than the 16MB at the mo.

Also it needs to have a VGA port as my monitor is VGA only.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, 
hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple 
Mac.




From robbiemurray at f2s.com  Thu Oct  2 14:39:17 2008
From: robbiemurray at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:39:17 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Re: Bootcamp on PC
In-Reply-To: <FD0B5035-F72C-4130-97CF-2A562C82C8D2@virgin.net>
References: <FD0B5035-F72C-4130-97CF-2A562C82C8D2@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <6C3E8E94-1E72-4F73-B739-04A7D5F246C9@f2s.com>

But you could apply for a job with Psystar ....

....  and have the pleasure of being sued by Apple!

Robbie

On 2 Oct 2008, at 14:04, Ken Arnoldi wrote:

I have decided not to try to install on PC because:
1 I haven't got an XP reinstall disc.
2 I'm not ready to take the PC to the dump.
3 I don't really want to be famous!

Ken


Robbie Murray
robbiemurray at f2s.com
01603-620749
01603-516175
07882-007667




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Oct  2 21:25:51 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 02 Oct 2008 21:25:51 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Fuzzy TFT
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810022125510.27101@webm5.global.net.uk>

Hi

I picked up a 14" TFT monitor from a fellow NMUGer (it is a Teleview LT-14) 
a few months ago and haven't gotten round to setting it up until today. I 
have it attached to a PowerMac G4 400Mhz AGP via VGA.

It works fine however the picture is quite fuzzy. I have played around with 
different resolutions and refresh rates but nothing solves it. I spoke to 
the previous owner and he has had it on a PC and a Cube and didn't notice 
fuzziness.

I am writing this on an iMac G3 which is as crisp as anything, but even my 
PowerBook G3 and Intel iMac have crisp screens.

You can really notice it on text, like the menu bar, text is jagged.

I was also messing with the OSD and found something called Phase and Clock 
which helps slightly.

Any ideas?

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, 
hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple 
Mac.




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Oct  3 01:23:44 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri,  3 Oct 2008 01:23:44 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Odd Finding On AGP G4
Message-ID: <dxkQ7tMDMwJx.fQqLvHdf@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

Still have resolved my TFT fuzzy problem on my G4.

I did notice that although it is an AGP G4 400mhz (I know it is because it has an Airport slot and AGP slot) that it in fact has a ATI Rage Pro in the PCI slot and not an AGP card.

Could this cause dodgy TFT?

Simon

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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Oct  5 21:17:55 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 05 Oct 2008 21:17:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Problematic iBook
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810052117550.18026@pwebm1.global.net.uk>

Hi

I picked up the problematic iBook G3 today. It is a 500Mhz, 384MB RAM, 10GB 
HD and CDRW.

It was described as having screen problems and heat problems.

Firstly, I have noticed the screen dull slightly for a few seconds and then 
come back full again, but nothing that would get annoying.

Secondly, the heat is coming from the left hand side of the trackpad which 
I fear is where the graphics chip is on the logic board. It does indeed get 
very warm.

Any ideas? Is it likely the graphics chip is going to fail. I have had a 
lot of these in for repair and a failing graphics chip usually makes the 
screen behave funny (fuzzy lines, black outs, freezing).

Simon

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Mac.




From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk  Mon Oct  6 10:07:41 2008
From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 10:07:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Switch on (off?) problem
Message-ID: <47E7E98B-A6BF-4E98-A6FA-7832582FBE53@themagic.me.uk>

I switch off by clicking Shut Down in the Apple Menu and again when  
asked if I really want to do it. The shut down is quite quick since OS  
10.5. The computer does seem shut down.

However, sometimes when I go to start I find the computer has already  
started or begins the boot-up procedure with chime etc. without me  
touching it. Sometimes it happens if I go near it or touch it or  
possibly the desk. Occasionally the screen is blank and I just press a  
key, usually space, to activate it as when it has gone to sleep.

One of the above usually happens when I first want to use the computer  
in the morning, less during the day when it has been used for a few  
hours. No pattern, I think about 3 times in a week. It has only  
happened since I updated to OS 10.5.5

Thanks for any help.

Anthony



From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Mon Oct  6 11:00:05 2008
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:00:05 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Switch on (off?) problem
In-Reply-To: <47E7E98B-A6BF-4E98-A6FA-7832582FBE53@themagic.me.uk>
References: <47E7E98B-A6BF-4E98-A6FA-7832582FBE53@themagic.me.uk>
Message-ID: <AC477167-E99F-4B79-9EB9-DB419EA36476@virgin.net>


On Oct 6, 2008, at 10:07, Anthony Brahams wrote:

> One of the above usually happens when I first want to use the  
> computer in the morning, less during the day when it has been used  
> for a few hours. No pattern, I think about 3 times in a week. It has  
> only happened since I updated to OS 10.5.5

I think you will find that when you tried to shut down it didn't  
actually complete the procedure. I have had that happen to me, maybe a  
document needed saving first or something similar. I hadn't realised  
and left it but what happens is the Shut Down procedure times out and  
then later on the computer just goes to sleep. Could that be it? Has  
happened to me a couple of times.

Paul C



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Oct  6 12:20:36 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 06 Oct 2008 12:20:36 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Keyboard Washing
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810061220360.30112@pwebm1.global.net.uk>

Hi

My kids managed to split a can of Coke over my white Apple keyboard 
yesterday. So I washed it this morning in a sink fully of warm bubbly 
water.

Besides the Coke it had gotten very grubby so it needs a good clean anyway.

Obviously it needs to be dried thoroughly before plugging back in, it is 
hanging on the washing at the moment but will put it in the airing cupboard 
later.

How long should I give it to dry out. I want to make sure it is fully dry - 
lucky I have a spare keyboard.

Simon


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From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Mon Oct  6 12:30:09 2008
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:30:09 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Keyboard Washing
In-Reply-To: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810061220360.30112@pwebm1.global.net.uk>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810061220360.30112@pwebm1.global.net.uk>
Message-ID: <0761273D-A10C-4AFD-8F99-4F90523023A4@virgin.net>


On Oct 6, 2008, at 12:20, Simon Royal wrote:

> How long should I give it to dry out. I want to make sure it is  
> fully dry - lucky I have a spare keyboard.

When I've given them a clean I give them 2 days in the nice warm  
airing cupboard after drying off as much as i could. Hopefully you  
have rinsed it thoroughly after the bubbles.

Paul C


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Oct  6 14:34:16 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:34:16 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: Assistance still needed
References: <BC15EBDE-4C74-4C22-B2F7-E750D853C839@mac.com>
Message-ID: <58672F34-FD86-490A-B789-58D29B596CAE@durrant.co.uk>

If anyone is able to help Jaihn out, please send her an email at trulyspacious at mac.com

Thanks,

Paul

Begin forwarded message:

> From: jaihn davidson <trulyspacious at mac.com>
> Date: 6 October 2008 12:41:57 BST
> Subject: Assistance still needed
>
> I am still in need of help with getting my Virgin wireless router  
> set up - the broadband itself is working well.
> It should be do-able via a phonecall to Virgin - but my patience for  
> juggling calling and sorting out such things is not good.
>
> I didn't hear back from anyone via the message which Simon Royal  
> kindly posted on my behalf.
>
> Could one of you help me, please?
> Or help me to find someone who would be willing to come over to my  
> new home at Bowthorpe?
>
> I would also be glad of some other assistance with recovering from  
> my recent hard drive crash and renewal.
> I have some backup and am not sure about accessing it... The import  
> for iphoto brought a chaos of repeats which I now need to sort out  
> manually... I would like to avoid further such crazyness...
> I am willing to pay for help, if necessary - but not commercial rates!
>
>>
>> On 24 Sep 2008, at 21:12, jaihn davidson wrote:
>>
>>> Hallo -
>>>
>>> I just moved to Norwich.
>>>
>>> I use a wheelchair.
>>>
>>> Are your meetings in an accessible place?
>>>
>>> Thanks and wishing you well,
>>>
>>>
>>> j a i h n
>>>


From allan at dsol.co.uk  Tue Oct  7 01:48:23 2008
From: allan at dsol.co.uk (Allan)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 01:48:23 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] BBC NEWS | Education | Oxbridge lectures play on iTunes
Message-ID: <CFA26A50-12A2-4299-890D-107C850A39E2@dsol.co.uk>


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7655266.stm

"A spokeswoman for Cambridge University says the idea is to "lift the
veil" on the university, using iTunes to put lectures and talks from
its experts into the public domain.

Allan Johns




From allan at dsol.co.uk  Tue Oct  7 01:59:15 2008
From: allan at dsol.co.uk (Allan)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 01:59:15 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] BBC NEWS Education 
Message-ID: <78090203-C817-49F7-803A-D15CF6F53723@dsol.co.uk>

Along with University College London, the Open University and Trinity  
College Dublin

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7431918.stm

Oxford and Cambridge University are to make lectures by leading  
academics available through iTunes.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7655266.stm

So why aren't you doing this at your place??





From allan at dsol.co.uk  Tue Oct  7 02:01:39 2008
From: allan at dsol.co.uk (Allan)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 02:01:39 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] BBC NEWS Education 
Message-ID: <6FA3EBC7-3C6B-47CF-BFC3-12F5F2C5E4C7@dsol.co.uk>

Sorry, sent to wrong address.


Along with University College London, the Open University and Trinity  
College Dublin

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7431918.stm

Oxford and Cambridge University are to make lectures by leading  
academics available through iTunes.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7655266.stm

So why aren't you doing this at your place??



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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue Oct  7 07:34:00 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 07:34:00 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: Tydeus Software Concept Competition
References: <200810070224.m972Oumf032228@sds49.seagull.net>
Message-ID: <A720DBC9-BDEC-40F1-87A2-A019225AE44E@durrant.co.uk>

This might seem like a con, but I know the person organizing it, and  
it's a real competition. So if you have an idea for a really great  
application, why not write it up and enter the competition? Note the  
important bit of the terms & conditions - non-winning entries remain  
the property of the person entering the competition.

Paul

> Tuesday, 7th October, 2008 - Zurich, SWITZERLAND - Andrew Tomazos and
> the newly formed Tydeus Software (tydeus.com) announce today the
> Tydeus Software Concept Competition.
>
> "We have the resources necessary to create and market a great new
> software application, but all our software industry insiders keep
> coming up with the same stale ideas over and over. So we are holding
> a competition to find a fresh one. The winning software concept will
> be developed into a commercial software product and released to the
> public. The winning entrant will receive as much as a one million US
> dollar share in product sales, all for simply writing down a 300
> word pitch.", Tomazos said.
>
> The winner of the Tydeus Software Concept Competition will receive
> 10% of the first 1M USD in sales, and 1% of the next 90M USD in
> sales. This includes all sales of the original product and any
> derivative works of that product under copyright law. This means the
> winner could potentially receive a 1,000,000 USD prize just for
> coming up with the initial idea.
>
> Entrants are asked to create a 300 word answer to the following
> question:
>
> Q. Imagine and describe the concept, purpose(s) and functionality of
> a software application that, if developed and released, would (a) be
> useful to more than 100,000 different people; (b) be worth paying
> more than $20 per year for a single user license; (c) not require
> any special hardware beyond a normal desktop computer and an Internet
> connection; (d) have little, poor or expensive competition from
> existing applications; and (e) be technically feasible to develop a
> version 1.0 in less than 12 months with a competent development team.
>
> Depending on the expected market of the winning application concept,
> the software will be developed to target one or more of the
> platforms: (1) Microsoft Windows; (2) Apple Mac; (3) Linux/Unix;
> and/or (4) a Web version.
>
> Entries close Friday November 28th, 2008. Entries can be submitted at
> Tydeus.com. If you would like to enter the compeition, sign up for a
> Tydeus account.
>
> Entrants must agree to terms and conditions before entering. Entries
> are to be viewed only by a small judging panel appointed by Tydeus
> Software. All entries but the winner will be returned, and Tydeus
> Software will not disclose them to any party, nor use them for any
> purpose. The winning entrant is required to offer an exclusive
> license to develop the design, and to not disclose the idea to any
> other party.
>
> Tydeus Software is a new company founded by Andrew Tomazos. Tomazos
> is a well-known software developer and Internet personality. He has
> worked for the last eleven years with successful tech startups
> including a member of Intel Corporation's capital portfolio in
> Switzerland (2005-2008), the Internet strategy for the second largest
> financial news organization in London (2003-2004), and an
> award-winning Apple Mac third party in California and Australia
> (1997-2002). Tomazos studied Computer Science and Mathematics at the
> University of Western Australia (1994-1996) after a childhood
> interest in computers.
>
>



From munkt0n at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 09:09:47 2008
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 09:09:47 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: Tydeus Software Concept Competition
In-Reply-To: <A720DBC9-BDEC-40F1-87A2-A019225AE44E@durrant.co.uk>
References: <200810070224.m972Oumf032228@sds49.seagull.net>
	<A720DBC9-BDEC-40F1-87A2-A019225AE44E@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0810070109m348bc3c3y79bea604e9cf37ee@mail.gmail.com>

interesting idea. it reminded me of 'my dream app' - a contest that the
makers of 'macheist' ran a year or so ago, unfortunately it seems that 'my
dream app' died a death about a year ago.

http://mydreamapp.com/

On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 7:34 AM, Paul Durrant <paul at durrant.co.uk> wrote:

> This might seem like a con, but I know the person organizing it, and it's a
> real competition. So if you have an idea for a really great application, why
> not write it up and enter the competition? Note the important bit of the
> terms & conditions - non-winning entries remain the property of the person
> entering the competition.
>
> Paul
>
>  Tuesday, 7th October, 2008 - Zurich, SWITZERLAND - Andrew Tomazos and
>> the newly formed Tydeus Software (tydeus.com) announce today the
>> Tydeus Software Concept Competition.
>>
>> "We have the resources necessary to create and market a great new
>> software application, but all our software industry insiders keep
>> coming up with the same stale ideas over and over. So we are holding
>> a competition to find a fresh one. The winning software concept will
>> be developed into a commercial software product and released to the
>> public. The winning entrant will receive as much as a one million US
>> dollar share in product sales, all for simply writing down a 300
>> word pitch.", Tomazos said.
>>
>> The winner of the Tydeus Software Concept Competition will receive
>> 10% of the first 1M USD in sales, and 1% of the next 90M USD in
>> sales. This includes all sales of the original product and any
>> derivative works of that product under copyright law. This means the
>> winner could potentially receive a 1,000,000 USD prize just for
>> coming up with the initial idea.
>>
>> Entrants are asked to create a 300 word answer to the following
>> question:
>>
>> Q. Imagine and describe the concept, purpose(s) and functionality of
>> a software application that, if developed and released, would (a) be
>> useful to more than 100,000 different people; (b) be worth paying
>> more than $20 per year for a single user license; (c) not require
>> any special hardware beyond a normal desktop computer and an Internet
>> connection; (d) have little, poor or expensive competition from
>> existing applications; and (e) be technically feasible to develop a
>> version 1.0 in less than 12 months with a competent development team.
>>
>> Depending on the expected market of the winning application concept,
>> the software will be developed to target one or more of the
>> platforms: (1) Microsoft Windows; (2) Apple Mac; (3) Linux/Unix;
>> and/or (4) a Web version.
>>
>> Entries close Friday November 28th, 2008. Entries can be submitted at
>> Tydeus.com. If you would like to enter the compeition, sign up for a
>> Tydeus account.
>>
>> Entrants must agree to terms and conditions before entering. Entries
>> are to be viewed only by a small judging panel appointed by Tydeus
>> Software. All entries but the winner will be returned, and Tydeus
>> Software will not disclose them to any party, nor use them for any
>> purpose. The winning entrant is required to offer an exclusive
>> license to develop the design, and to not disclose the idea to any
>> other party.
>>
>> Tydeus Software is a new company founded by Andrew Tomazos. Tomazos
>> is a well-known software developer and Internet personality. He has
>> worked for the last eleven years with successful tech startups
>> including a member of Intel Corporation's capital portfolio in
>> Switzerland (2005-2008), the Internet strategy for the second largest
>> financial news organization in London (2003-2004), and an
>> award-winning Apple Mac third party in California and Australia
>> (1997-2002). Tomazos studied Computer Science and Mathematics at the
>> University of Western Australia (1994-1996) after a childhood
>> interest in computers.
>>
>>
>>
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> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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>


From band1 at mac.com  Tue Oct  7 10:14:25 2008
From: band1 at mac.com (David King)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:14:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] monitors
Message-ID: <FB6B9199-9344-4881-805C-05FCE6AA8D03@mac.com>

A friend has my old Quicksilver G4 and 17 inch Apple Studio Display.   
The monitor had one slightly faulty tube which now seems to have gone  
as the monitor screen fails to activate when the computer is booted.

I just want to check I am buying the correct thing when I order a new  
screen from Dabs.  The G4 has an ADC and VGA connection.  The screen I  
am looking at for just under ?100 had a VGA connector and the maximum  
screen resolution is the same as the Studio Display i.e 1280 x 1024 so  
presumably this is OK for the G4.  As she doesn't use the computer a  
great deal we don't want to pay a fortune for a replacement.

Perhaps one of those that knows could confirm I am on the right track.

Thanks

David

From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue Oct  7 10:35:46 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:35:46 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] monitors
In-Reply-To: <FB6B9199-9344-4881-805C-05FCE6AA8D03@mac.com>
References: <FB6B9199-9344-4881-805C-05FCE6AA8D03@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B8296FE7-6160-4018-A25F-3D2FEB9F2485@durrant.co.uk>

That sounds right. There are lots of VGA 1280x1024 displays at dabs.  
The 17" are cheaper, the 19" will display things bigger (& so clearer  
to older eyes).

Perhaps the most important bit is the viewing angle range. You really  
want one with horizontal and vertical viewing angles above 170  
degrees. This isn't bacause your friend will be viewing from the side  
a lot, but the better the viewing angle, the less colours will shift  
with small differences in viewing angle - this is especially import  
vertically.

After that, brightness and contrast - the bigger the better.

The 17" Acer seems good
http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=56TV
176 H&V, 2000:1 contrast, 300cd/m2

while the only slightly cheaper Viewsonic seems a lot worse
http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=44PZ
170H/155V, 600:1 contrast, 300cd/m2

The 19" Acer seems good too.
http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=56TW
176 H&V, 2000:1 contrast, 300cd/m2

regards,

Paul

On 7 Oct 2008, at 10:14, David King wrote:

> A friend has my old Quicksilver G4 and 17 inch Apple Studio  
> Display.  The monitor had one slightly faulty tube which now seems  
> to have gone as the monitor screen fails to activate when the  
> computer is booted.
>
> I just want to check I am buying the correct thing when I order a  
> new screen from Dabs.  The G4 has an ADC and VGA connection.  The  
> screen I am looking at for just under ?100 had a VGA connector and  
> the maximum screen resolution is the same as the Studio Display i.e  
> 1280 x 1024 so presumably this is OK for the G4.  As she doesn't use  
> the computer a great deal we don't want to pay a fortune for a  
> replacement.
>
> Perhaps one of those that knows could confirm I am on the right track.
>
> Thanks
>
> David_______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



From robbiemurray at f2s.com  Tue Oct  7 10:50:30 2008
From: robbiemurray at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:50:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Urgent Plea for Help!!
Message-ID: <22058423-0B2A-4BC5-AC30-2C1AA6F2F0E3@f2s.com>

Group member Simon King has just called me desperately seeking help  
with a serious problem, and it's well beyond my ken, so on his behalf  
I'm posting this query.

His Apple 20" LCD monitor has suddenly gone wonky - he describes it as  
'covered in clumps of white lines like barcodes' and 'like looking  
through a frosted windscreen'.

The proper desktop is faintly visible behind, but not enough to be  
able to do anything, hence my intervention.

I have no knowledge of such things and other than narrowing it down to  
a fault with the computer or the monitor, (which isn't really very  
helpful), can't offer any suggestions.

I'm sure someone out there will have an answer - if so, could you call  
him direct on 01603 466092 or 07954 581774 - he's standing by .....

Many thanks

Robbie






From band1 at mac.com  Tue Oct  7 10:59:51 2008
From: band1 at mac.com (David King)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:59:51 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] monitors
In-Reply-To: <B8296FE7-6160-4018-A25F-3D2FEB9F2485@durrant.co.uk>
References: <FB6B9199-9344-4881-805C-05FCE6AA8D03@mac.com>
	<B8296FE7-6160-4018-A25F-3D2FEB9F2485@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <2E371AE2-6495-4569-9133-8DB00B98F96F@mac.com>

Thanks Paul. The 19" Acer looks to be a good buy so am looking at that  
now.  Also it is much better than the 17" I was looking at.

Just one extra.  I notice it says 'PC compatible' whereas others say  
Mac and PC.  I cannot see why a screen should be only PC so presumably  
this is ok on a Mac?

regards

David


On 7 Oct 2008, at 10:35, Paul Durrant wrote:

> That sounds right. There are lots of VGA 1280x1024 displays at dabs.  
> The 17" are cheaper, the 19" will display things bigger (& so  
> clearer to older eyes).
>
> Perhaps the most important bit is the viewing angle range. You  
> really want one with horizontal and vertical viewing angles above  
> 170 degrees. This isn't bacause your friend will be viewing from the  
> side a lot, but the better the viewing angle, the less colours will  
> shift with small differences in viewing angle - this is especially  
> import vertically.
>
> After that, brightness and contrast - the bigger the better.
>
> The 17" Acer seems good
> http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=56TV
> 176 H&V, 2000:1 contrast, 300cd/m2
>
> while the only slightly cheaper Viewsonic seems a lot worse
> http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=44PZ
> 170H/155V, 600:1 contrast, 300cd/m2
>
> The 19" Acer seems good too.
> http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=56TW
> 176 H&V, 2000:1 contrast, 300cd/m2
>
> regards,
>
> Paul
>
> On 7 Oct 2008, at 10:14, David King wrote:
>
>> A friend has my old Quicksilver G4 and 17 inch Apple Studio  
>> Display.  The monitor had one slightly faulty tube which now seems  
>> to have gone as the monitor screen fails to activate when the  
>> computer is booted.
>>
>> I just want to check I am buying the correct thing when I order a  
>> new screen from Dabs.  The G4 has an ADC and VGA connection.  The  
>> screen I am looking at for just under ?100 had a VGA connector and  
>> the maximum screen resolution is the same as the Studio Display i.e  
>> 1280 x 1024 so presumably this is OK for the G4.  As she doesn't  
>> use the computer a great deal we don't want to pay a fortune for a  
>> replacement.
>>
>> Perhaps one of those that knows could confirm I am on the right  
>> track.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> David_______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Oct  7 12:22:37 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 07 Oct 2008 12:22:37 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iBook Hard Drive Area Hot
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810071222370.1852@webm8.global.net.uk>

Hi

I have since found that the heat coming from the left hand side of the 
trackpad (on my 500Mhz G3 iBook) is where the hard drive is. A lot of 
people have reported this problem but is there a solution.

Is the hard drive on the way out? Is it more serious? Anyone else had this?

I haven't yet heard the fans kick in but I presume it takes a lot for them 
to come on.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, 
hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple 
Mac.




From phil.charnley at ntlworld.com  Wed Oct  8 10:25:22 2008
From: phil.charnley at ntlworld.com (Phil Charnley)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:25:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] FAO Simon - dead iMac G5
Message-ID: <A5894E25-AC49-4507-98F2-69B668341391@ntlworld.com>

I too am suffering from a dead logic board at the moment. Bite systems  
have quoted ?499 to fix it. My iMac G5 is three and a half years old.

My brother in law sent me this link...

http://forums.macrumors.com/archive/index.php/t-547350.html

Have a look. I am currently trying to persuade Apple to give me a  
replacement FOC. We shall see...

Hope this helps

Phil

From karl.hortt at btinternet.com  Wed Oct  8 15:00:01 2008
From: karl.hortt at btinternet.com (Karl Hortt)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:00:01 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Ibooks for sale
Message-ID: <B876B3A9-AC99-4326-8B09-B306DDA79C2C@btinternet.com>



Hi All,

I have just bought a number of Ibooks from a primary school


They are :-

12 inch ibook

G3 500mhz

15 gig hard drive

512 gig memory

Cd drive

Dual USB

Firewire

Power adaptor

Airport card

Running Tiger

They are marked on the outside as one would expect from a school, with  
some stickers that will need removing ( just plain paper stickers )  
not security stickers !

but all are very nice and clean on the inside, all screens fine, no  
dead pixels that I can see

batteries all seem to be fine as well, although I do not guarantee the  
batteries ( they are showing 3 - 4 hours )

?110 each


regards

Karl





From karl.hortt at btinternet.com  Wed Oct  8 15:04:39 2008
From: karl.hortt at btinternet.com (Karl Hortt)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:04:39 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Airport cards and Appleworks 6.2 programs
Message-ID: <A32059AF-3E70-413D-9CCB-9D25127B6568@btinternet.com>



Hi again,

I also have a number of spare Airport cards available


  and unopened boxes of Appleworks 6.2


if your interested, please make me an offer


regards

Karl


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Oct  8 15:49:31 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed,  8 Oct 2008 15:49:31 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac Sounds
Message-ID: <CPbThc1wC04n.TzKcY8Ys@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

It has always struck me how different Macs and Windows are when it comes to sounds.

The Mac 'chime' is so dull, compared to the start up tone of Windows.

Windows has those annoying sounds when windows maximise, minimise and when alert messages pop up.

Also what happened to the speaking alerts from OS9. I installed it on my Pismo the other day and run the updates and suddenly it start speaking to me, I had forgotten about it, it doesn't happen in OSX.

Simon

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From karl.hortt at btinternet.com  Wed Oct  8 16:36:23 2008
From: karl.hortt at btinternet.com (Karl Hortt)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 16:36:23 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Time machine
Message-ID: <E63C86B1-E5EC-412B-A5CA-1675293035B2@btinternet.com>



Hi All,

I have spent the afternoon changing email settings, deleting and  
renewing email accounts, trying to get the iphone and

bt/yahoo mail to "Push"

it is half working now


well I managed to lose 6 months of emails, I reinstalled an account,  
could see the email headers, but the body of the mail was all gone !!!


instant panic and fear....


then remembered time machine, never had to use it to restore before


well it worked great, did what it said on the side of the tin!!!!



regards

Karl





From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Oct  8 17:19:33 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed,  8 Oct 2008 17:19:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] DVD Drive Keeps Opening
Message-ID: <CLNCDh8Pzrrr.tSBMhVtW@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

I went to burn a DVD earlier on my PowerMac G4. It failed and now the draw keeps opening.

It is not physically stuck, it shuts fine but as soon as you shut it (by pushing it, pressing the button or using the keyboard).

It was working fine before today. I have tried restarting the machine but makes no difference.

Simon

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From allan at dsol.co.uk  Wed Oct  8 18:23:42 2008
From: allan at dsol.co.uk (Allan)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 18:23:42 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac Sounds
In-Reply-To: <CPbThc1wC04n.TzKcY8Ys@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <CPbThc1wC04n.TzKcY8Ys@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <D2315923-D0A2-4C58-9287-C87BEC0F2118@dsol.co.uk>

What about System preference/Speech 'Announce when alerts are  
displayed' and 'Announce when application requires your attention'.

For other sound fun (!) on Mac OS X you could get a copy of  
Sounds4Fun. (http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/23842/sounds4fun)

Allan Johns.

On 8 Oct 2008, at 15:49, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi.
>
> It has always struck me how different Macs and Windows are when it  
> comes to sounds.
>
> The Mac 'chime' is so dull, compared to the start up tone of Windows.
>
> Windows has those annoying sounds when windows maximise, minimise  
> and when alert messages pop up.
>
> Also what happened to the speaking alerts from OS9. I installed it  
> on my Pismo the other day and run the updates and suddenly it start  
> speaking to me, I had forgotten about it, it doesn't happen in OSX.
>
> Simon
>
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>
> _______________________________________________
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Oct  8 22:22:07 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed,  8 Oct 2008 22:22:07 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Can Anyone Help With RAM?
Message-ID: <53zQv6knJKsL.ZTkfz03C@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I have my PowerMac G4 400Mhz running (after my Intel iMac died) and it is doing pretty well.

I have 3 sticks of 128MB and a stick of 256MB in it totally 640MB, but as this is going to be my main machine until I get enough money together for a new one, I would like to cram it with as much RAM and oomph as possible.

So if anyone has any spare 256 or 512 (I know its pushing it) PC100/133 can you let me know.

Simon

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From davewitham at aol.com  Wed Oct  8 23:17:47 2008
From: davewitham at aol.com (davewitham at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:17:47 -0400
Subject: [NMUG] Apple repairs
Message-ID: <8CAF7AAD3E5DB7E-700-C35@mblk-d12.sysops.aol.com>

I to requested help from Bite Systems to resolve a wireless network issue concerning printing problems. result? It took 2 hours on a home visit for the technician concerned, including a 1 hour phone conversation with HP (premium line number), only to be told that my 5 month old HP printer costing ?79 was faulty! The bill to be told this, ?185 and change, and I STILL had the problem. BEWARE the EXPERT!!!!!!!!
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From kelvinyoungs at mac.com  Wed Oct  8 23:25:57 2008
From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 23:25:57 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Apple repairs
In-Reply-To: <8CAF7AAD3E5DB7E-700-C35@mblk-d12.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CAF7AAD3E5DB7E-700-C35@mblk-d12.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <ACFF22F9-A139-4C52-B75F-80B2570824C1@mac.com>

Which is one reason we have NMUG Dave - did you request assistance  
from us?

Actually to be fair that is not a huge price for a home visit, if it  
answered the problem - I had to call out a plumber today to sort out  
my central heating and that was no small sum.
Perhaps there exists an insurance policy that one could take out to  
cover this sort of thing? Sure someone will come back with a  
suggestion or two on this?

On 8 Oct 2008, at 23:17, davewitham at aol.com wrote:

> I to requested help from Bite Systems to resolve a wireless network  
> issue concerning printing problems. result? It took 2 hours on a  
> home visit for the technician concerned, including a 1 hour phone  
> conversation with HP (premium line number), only to be told that my  
> 5 month old HP printer costing ?79 was faulty! The bill to be told  
> this, ?185 and change, and I STILL had the problem. BEWARE the  
> EXPERT!!!!!!!!


Kelvin
  Valui ad satanam in computatrum meum invocandum.
  - I succeeded in summoning satan into my computer



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Oct  9 03:17:13 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu,  9 Oct 2008 03:17:13 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] PC RAM?
Message-ID: <YcShngP06y6r.m2PVxmfx@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

I've always bought Mac RAM. However, slap the word Mac on RAM and it's price hits the roof.

In looking for 256MB and 512MB sticks of PC100/133 desktop RAM, will PC RAM work as it is dirt cheap? Is there anything to look for.

I know older PowerBooks will take PC RAM as long as it is 16 chip.

Simon

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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Oct  9 14:05:21 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu,  9 Oct 2008 14:05:21 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Still Fuzzy TFT
Message-ID: <yCNvzsQXZhMP.7JpVQLHk@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

I still have a grainy picture on my TFT. I bought a new high quality, shielded, ferrite core cable as I read that naff cables can cause problems, but this hasn't resolved it.

The picture displays fine but the text is a little pixelated, small text is hard to read especially compared to the mega crispness of my iMac G3 screen.

Any ideas?

Simon

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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Oct  9 16:24:27 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu,  9 Oct 2008 16:24:27 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iMac VGA Test
Message-ID: <1WS8LVCBNvsk.557HhRFh@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

I have a monitor and a new (to me) Mac which I am having problems with. Trouble is I can't narrow it down to whether it is the monitor or Mac and have no other Mac to test it on.

However, my iMac G3 has a VGA port. Could I hook the monitor to this to check whether the same fuzziness appears?

Simon

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From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Thu Oct  9 19:27:21 2008
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 19:27:21 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Major G5 Failure?
Message-ID: <B6F7F64A-88D8-4E85-9D80-9D253ED56F31@zen.co.uk>

My Mac G5 is almost 5 years old. Running Leopard 10.5.5, 5.5 GB RAM 2  
x HDD with Airport/Bluetooth, 2 PCI cards (4 x USB2 and Miglia Alchemy  
TVR) Upgraded Pioneer 110 CD/DVD and ATI Radeon X800 XT.

Last night I started it up as usual and my 23" Cinema Display lit to  
indicate it was on but the screen would not start. Tried again and was  
able to start up. Closed down normally.

Time was showing OK last night, so I assume the battery or being  
attached to Power is OK. I have not touched the PMU reset button.

Today I can start it BUT it won't progress beyond the grey start  
screen with the apple icon. After a few minutes the fans start to rev  
up. The Start up chimes sound OK. Pressing the option key enables the  
volume choice screen and it sees all the volumes with systems on (3)  
and any Disk in the dvd Drive.

I have tried to start up using another volume as well as the start up  
disk, with the same result as above. I have  now managed to get the  
DVD to run the Hardware Test and its currently running AHT - so far  
Airport, Logic Board and Mass Storage have passed. Memory now being  
tested.

If I get a successful pass I will try a PRAM reset, but does anyone  
have any ideas if this does not work? Screen is running now so I  
assume the graphics card is OK. All fans running.... I can even access  
the main drive using Target Disk Mode......

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk





From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Thu Oct  9 19:42:35 2008
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 19:42:35 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] G5 Failure Part 2
Message-ID: <1F92C0FF-2C82-44BC-B221-0BC5D6571656@zen.co.uk>

And by the way it wont bring up the spinning wheel on the grey screen


My Mac G5 is almost 5 years old. Running Leopard 10.5.5, 5.5 GB RAM 2  
x HDD with Airport/Bluetooth, 2 PCI cards (4 x USB2 and Miglia Alchemy  
TVR) Upgraded Pioneer 110 CD/DVD and ATI Radeon X800 XT.

Last night I started it up as usual and my 23" Cinema Display lit to  
indicate it was on but the screen would not start. Tried again and was  
able to start up. Closed down normally.

Time was showing OK last night, so I assume the battery or being  
attached to Power is OK. I have not touched the PMU reset button.

Today I can start it BUT it won't progress beyond the grey start  
screen with the apple icon. After a few minutes the fans start to rev  
up. The Start up chimes sound OK. Pressing the option key enables the  
volume choice screen and it sees all the volumes with systems on (3)  
and any Disk in the dvd Drive. One of the drives is external on a  
FW800 port. Seen but not responding.

I have tried to start up using another volume as well as the start up  
disk, with the same result as above. I have  now managed to get the  
DVD to run the Hardware Test and its currently running AHT - so far  
Airport, Logic Board and Mass Storage have passed. Memory now being  
tested.

If I get a successful pass I will try a PRAM reset, but does anyone  
have any ideas if this does not work? Screen is running now so I  
assume the graphics card is OK. All fans running.... I can even access  
the main drive using Target Disk Mode......
Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk





From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Thu Oct  9 21:11:35 2008
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 21:11:35 +0100
Subject: Fwd: [NMUG] Major G5 Failure?
References: <ac224bde0810091303o5c6296e1l19fa72eef2bb38e0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AB9510AB-AA11-488E-B23E-B5939CDD9234@zen.co.uk>

Haven't tried safe boot, have tried fsck BUT it won't fully load that  
far. Stops loading at "DART".

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Scott Matthews" <munkt0n at gmail.com>
> Date: 9 October 2008 21:03:28 BST
> To: "Steven Jefferson" <steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Major G5 Failure?
>
> have you tried starting in safe mode? (hold shift when booting)
> I've experienced similar before with a G5 at work, it turned out it  
> was a problem with a microsoft office app that was trying to launch  
> at start up. I disabled that and everything was fine.
> if you can start up in safe mode, it's worth looking in your startup  
> items and switching things off and trying to start up normally.
>
> another thing worth trying is checking for any disk errors.
> boot up holding apple+s
> at the prompt type
>   fsck -fy
> keep doing this until it says "no problems were found"
> then type
>   reboot
>
> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Steven Jefferson <steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk 
> > wrote:
> My Mac G5 is almost 5 years old. Running Leopard 10.5.5, 5.5 GB RAM  
> 2 x HDD with Airport/Bluetooth, 2 PCI cards (4 x USB2 and Miglia  
> Alchemy TVR) Upgraded Pioneer 110 CD/DVD and ATI Radeon X800 XT.
>
> Last night I started it up as usual and my 23" Cinema Display lit to  
> indicate it was on but the screen would not start. Tried again and  
> was able to start up. Closed down normally.
>
> Time was showing OK last night, so I assume the battery or being  
> attached to Power is OK. I have not touched the PMU reset button.
>
> Today I can start it BUT it won't progress beyond the grey start  
> screen with the apple icon. After a few minutes the fans start to  
> rev up. The Start up chimes sound OK. Pressing the option key  
> enables the volume choice screen and it sees all the volumes with  
> systems on (3) and any Disk in the dvd Drive.
>
> I have tried to start up using another volume as well as the start  
> up disk, with the same result as above. I have  now managed to get  
> the DVD to run the Hardware Test and its currently running AHT - so  
> far Airport, Logic Board and Mass Storage have passed. Memory now  
> being tested.
>
> If I get a successful pass I will try a PRAM reset, but does anyone  
> have any ideas if this does not work? Screen is running now so I  
> assume the graphics card is OK. All fans running.... I can even  
> access the main drive using Target Disk Mode......
>
> Steven Jefferson
> steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Thu Oct  9 21:23:14 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 21:23:14 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] iMac VGA Test
In-Reply-To: <1WS8LVCBNvsk.557HhRFh@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <1WS8LVCBNvsk.557HhRFh@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DAA8B721-34FF-48FA-8C8D-DB938241E0A3@durrant.co.uk>

Yes. Well, it depends. I think the G3 can do up to 1024x768. So if  
your external monitor is a normal 4:3 ratio and has a native  
resolution of 1024x768 or less, you should be able to get a good  
picture on it. If it's widescreen or higher resolution, probably not.

What resolution is your external monitor?

Paul

On 9 Oct 2008, at 16:24, Simon Royal wrote:
>
> I have a monitor and a new (to me) Mac which I am having problems  
> with. Trouble is I can't narrow it down to whether it is the monitor  
> or Mac and have no other Mac to test it on.
>
> However, my iMac G3 has a VGA port. Could I hook the monitor to this  
> to check whether the same fuzziness appears?
>


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Thu Oct  9 21:25:47 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 21:25:47 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New Notebooks on Tuesday
Message-ID: <8C95BBF8-7EC1-4019-8ECB-7BF699E2328B@durrant.co.uk>

Next Tuesday at 10am Pacific Time (about 6PM UK time - or 5PM or  
7PM?), Apple are holding a special event to announce new notebooks.

So if you were thinking of buying a MacBook, MacBook Air or MacBook  
Pro, I'd advise waiting until after Tuesday, 14th October, 2008.

Paul


From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Thu Oct  9 21:32:09 2008
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 21:32:09 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New Notebooks on Tuesday
In-Reply-To: <8C95BBF8-7EC1-4019-8ECB-7BF699E2328B@durrant.co.uk>
References: <8C95BBF8-7EC1-4019-8ECB-7BF699E2328B@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <60A8B613-08C0-48E3-B611-A9B81E48752E@zen.co.uk>

Shame they're NOT new Mac Pros, I might be needing one! May have to  
wait til January.

Anyone looking for accessories  out of what might be a very Dead G5  
Dual 2GHz? Very first model.

5.5 GB RAM
SATA HD 300 MB
ATI Radeon X800XT
Pioneer 110 DVD Writer
USB2 PCI Card
Miglia Alchemy DTVR (Works only up to Tiger)

???????

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 9 Oct 2008, at 21:25, Paul Durrant wrote:

> Next Tuesday at 10am Pacific Time (about 6PM UK time - or 5PM or  
> 7PM?), Apple are holding a special event to announce new notebooks.
>
> So if you were thinking of buying a MacBook, MacBook Air or MacBook  
> Pro, I'd advise waiting until after Tuesday, 14th October, 2008.
>
> Paul
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Oct  9 21:55:34 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 09 Oct 2008 21:55:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New Notebooks on Tuesday
In-Reply-To: <60A8B613-08C0-48E3-B611-A9B81E48752E@zen.co.uk>
References: <8C95BBF8-7EC1-4019-8ECB-7BF699E2328B@durrant.co.uk>
	<60A8B613-08C0-48E3-B611-A9B81E48752E@zen.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810092155340.30509@pwebm1.global.net.uk>

Steven

Can I join your 'dead mac club' with my Intel iMac?

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, 
hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple 
Mac.


On Oct 9 2008, Steven Jefferson wrote:

Shame they're NOT new Mac Pros, I might be needing one! May have to  
wait til January.

Anyone looking for accessories  out of what might be a very Dead G5  
Dual 2GHz? Very first model.

5.5 GB RAM
SATA HD 300 MB
ATI Radeon X800XT
Pioneer 110 DVD Writer
USB2 PCI Card
Miglia Alchemy DTVR (Works only up to Tiger)

???????

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 9 Oct 2008, at 21:25, Paul Durrant wrote:

> Next Tuesday at 10am Pacific Time (about 6PM UK time - or 5PM or  
> 7PM?), Apple are holding a special event to announce new notebooks.
>
> So if you were thinking of buying a MacBook, MacBook Air or MacBook  
> Pro, I'd advise waiting until after Tuesday, 14th October, 2008.
>
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Oct  9 22:03:12 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 09 Oct 2008 22:03:12 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 10.10, XI or What?
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810092203120.7456@pwebm1.global.net.uk>

Hi

I know this is a long way off, but what do we think Apple will do after 
they reach Mac OSX 10.9 'Lion'.

Will they go for 10.10? Will the abandon the whole numbering and name 
system before then? Will they leave OSX behind and move on to something new 
altogether?

Of course nobody knows, I doubt even Apple have given it much thought, but 
10.6 'Snow Leopard' is coming shortly and the others will follow shortly 
after.

Simon

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hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple 
Mac.




From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Fri Oct 10 00:25:28 2008
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:25:28 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Mac repairs Norwich
Message-ID: <3A078AE1-8F7E-4EB5-AE20-7C5FB72CB645@zen.co.uk>

Have completed	AHT - which passed. Could not execute a PRAM reset  
Nothing happened.

General concensus from e-mails & the web seems to be the logic board.

Not good.

Other than Bite Systems in Mountergate, who else in the surrounding  
area provides Mac Service.

Somehow its looking like an idea to strip the G5 of anything usable to  
sell on e-bay and then find a home for the remaining AL scrap! Nice  
doorstop folks

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk





From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Oct 10 09:39:30 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 10 Oct 2008 09:39:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] TFT Fuzziness Solved... Ish
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810100939300.25691@pwebm1.global.net.uk>

Hi

Well I have managed to work out there is nothing wrong with my PowerMac G4 
or the graphics card in it.

I hooked my TFT monitor up to my iMac G3 via the VGA port on the back (for 
mirroring) and the picture was just as fuzzy, so it is the monitor after 
all.

Maybe I am just very fussy, but the picture quality and crispness on the 
iMac G3 is about the best I have seen in a long time. I then checked the 
picture on my iBook G3 and PowerBook G3 and while this is very good it 
doesn't measure up to the sharpness of the iMac - another thing that makes 
them awesome machines.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, 
hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple 
Mac.




From robbiemurray at f2s.com  Fri Oct 10 10:05:58 2008
From: robbiemurray at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:05:58 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ADSL Speed Tester
Message-ID: <BA7D2811-F67C-4511-947B-26364D626DC7@f2s.com>

I recently came across this, which obviously uses the same engine as  
the one I've used for years - http://www.speedtest.bbmax.co.uk/

This one, however, automatically keeps a log and will also display as  
a graph which is, I think, a nice enhancement.

There is always controversy regarding just how accurate any of these  
tests are, but I subscribe to the view that it's consistent, therefore  
will indicate fluctuations, and confirm a problem.

I recommend it to the house ...

http://www.mybroadbandspeed.co.uk/

FYI: my router currently reports a BT service of 5792kpbs from the  
Norwich Central Exchange, and the speedtest an actual speed of 4905,  
which allowing for overhead, seems about right.   It's generally  
within the range of 4400 - 4900.

PS: for a bit of fun, I also use http://www.speedtest.net/index.php

Robbie





Robbie Murray
robbiemurray at f2s.com
01603-620749
01603-516175
07882-007667




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Oct 10 10:38:27 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 10 Oct 2008 10:38:27 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Network Updates
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810101038270.25691@pwebm1.global.net.uk>

Hi

I have a number of machines and iMac G3, PowerMac G4, iBook G3 and 
PowerBook G3. They are all running Tiger so updates are finished with the 
exception of the odd Security Updates.

However, when it comes to updating I have to go round and install the 
updates on all the machines seperately. Not a problem if they are not all 
running but if they do that is four machines sucking bandwith.

Is there a way to install an update across a network to all machines in one 
go or is this an OSX Server thing?

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, 
hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple 
Mac.




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Oct 10 11:15:25 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 10 Oct 2008 11:15:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 120GB Internal Or External
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810101115250.11045@pwebm1.global.net.uk>

Hi

I have always had all-in-one Macs as my main machine so any drives added 
have always been external. Well now I have a PowerMac G4 'Sawtooth' making 
it easier to add hard drives and optical drives.

I have a few queries.

Firstly, I have a Pioneer 112D in a firewire case, could I add this in as a 
second optical drive. I currently have a zip drive underneath my main 
optical drive, but could I add a second?

Secondly, I have a 120GB hard drive in a firewire case. Would there be any 
advantage of putting it internally. I currently have a 20GB 7200RPM boot 
drive and a 20GB slave drive, could I add a third hard drive into it?

Does this Mac suffer from the 128GB HD limit and is that per drive or 
collective drives?

Simon


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From phil.charnley at ntlworld.com  Fri Oct 10 11:23:55 2008
From: phil.charnley at ntlworld.com (Phil Charnley)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:23:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New Notebooks on Tuesday
In-Reply-To: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810092155340.30509@pwebm1.global.net.uk>
References: <8C95BBF8-7EC1-4019-8ECB-7BF699E2328B@durrant.co.uk>
	<60A8B613-08C0-48E3-B611-A9B81E48752E@zen.co.uk>
	<BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810092155340.30509@pwebm1.global.net.uk>
Message-ID: <DEFAD0D7-6320-484F-899A-0F55DE523CE3@ntlworld.com>

Me too please with my dead power PC G5! Three logic boards all dead at  
the same time. Hmm.

Is anyone else put off buying another if this is what to expect?

Phil
On 9 Oct 2008, at 21:55:34, Simon Royal wrote:

> Steven
>
> Can I join your 'dead mac club' with my Intel iMac?
>
> Simon
>
> --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides,  
> upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for  
> Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better,  
> so I bought an Apple Mac.
>
>
> On Oct 9 2008, Steven Jefferson wrote:
>
> Shame they're NOT new Mac Pros, I might be needing one! May have to   
> wait til January.
>
> Anyone looking for accessories  out of what might be a very Dead G5   
> Dual 2GHz? Very first model.
>
> 5.5 GB RAM
> SATA HD 300 MB
> ATI Radeon X800XT
> Pioneer 110 DVD Writer
> USB2 PCI Card
> Miglia Alchemy DTVR (Works only up to Tiger)
>
> ???????
>
> Steven Jefferson
> steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk
>
>
>
> On 9 Oct 2008, at 21:25, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
>> Next Tuesday at 10am Pacific Time (about 6PM UK time - or 5PM or   
>> 7PM?), Apple are holding a special event to announce new notebooks.
>>
>> So if you were thinking of buying a MacBook, MacBook Air or  
>> MacBook  Pro, I'd advise waiting until after Tuesday, 14th October,  
>> 2008.
>>
>> Paul
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From rbygrave at ntlworld.com  Fri Oct 10 13:16:56 2008
From: rbygrave at ntlworld.com (Ruth Bygrave)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:16:56 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Wireless
Message-ID: <40B9E6A8-0E15-4899-B788-82B1A6C36C27@ntlworld.com>

Am currently using my N96 phone over the wireless in my MacBook. This  
is the only wireless computer in the house as our home network is  
wired. I did not need to put a password on it.

Boyfriend points out that I should secure my wireless so bad people  
cannot use it.

What do I do?

Regards, R


From phil.charnley at ntlworld.com  Fri Oct 10 14:08:29 2008
From: phil.charnley at ntlworld.com (Phil Charnley)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:08:29 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Simon R and Steven J to please take note
In-Reply-To: <734d07ef0810100539u391f2133m5d96f22d73d9cda3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8C95BBF8-7EC1-4019-8ECB-7BF699E2328B@durrant.co.uk>
	<60A8B613-08C0-48E3-B611-A9B81E48752E@zen.co.uk>
	<BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810092155340.30509@pwebm1.global.net.uk>
	<DEFAD0D7-6320-484F-899A-0F55DE523CE3@ntlworld.com>
	<734d07ef0810100539u391f2133m5d96f22d73d9cda3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <38F1A6A4-7BCC-450B-AB91-753F48BCB75C@ntlworld.com>

Success! My faith in Apple is restored.

After three polite but persistent phone calls to Apple they have  
agreed to replace my dead logic board free of charge. Wahey. I need to  
pay for the labour costs of fitting it - about ?75 but I am more than  
happy with that.

This is the link that prompted me to try...

http://forums.macrumors.com/archive/index.php/t-547350.html

My machine is three years 7 months old and was out of warranty by 2  
years and 7 months so I think they have been very fair.

Its got to be worth a try hasn't it?

Phil


On 10 Oct 2008, at 13:39:14, Simon King wrote:

> Of all the Macs I have had I think only one didn't have any  
> problems. Most of them had Major problems. So yes I am put off but  
> as the Camera RAW files get bigger and bigger there will come a time  
> I suppose when it's inevitable
>
> Simon
>
> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Phil Charnley <phil.charnley at ntlworld.com 
> > wrote:
> Me too please with my dead power PC G5! Three logic boards all dead  
> at the same time. Hmm.
>
> Is anyone else put off buying another if this is what to expect?
>
> Phil
>
> On 9 Oct 2008, at 21:55:34, Simon Royal wrote:
>
> Steven
>
> Can I join your 'dead mac club' with my Intel iMac?
>
> Simon
>
> --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides,  
> upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for  
> Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better,  
> so I bought an Apple Mac.
>
>
> On Oct 9 2008, Steven Jefferson wrote:
>
> Shame they're NOT new Mac Pros, I might be needing one! May have to   
> wait til January.
>
> Anyone looking for accessories  out of what might be a very Dead G5   
> Dual 2GHz? Very first model.
>
> 5.5 GB RAM
> SATA HD 300 MB
> ATI Radeon X800XT
> Pioneer 110 DVD Writer
> USB2 PCI Card
> Miglia Alchemy DTVR (Works only up to Tiger)
>
> ???????
>
> Steven Jefferson
> steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk
>
>
>
> On 9 Oct 2008, at 21:25, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
> Next Tuesday at 10am Pacific Time (about 6PM UK time - or 5PM or   
> 7PM?), Apple are holding a special event to announce new notebooks.
>
> So if you were thinking of buying a MacBook, MacBook Air or MacBook   
> Pro, I'd advise waiting until after Tuesday, 14th October, 2008.
>
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
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> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
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>
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From rbygrave at ntlworld.com  Fri Oct 10 17:21:30 2008
From: rbygrave at ntlworld.com (Ruth Bygrave)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:21:30 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Wireless
In-Reply-To: <836E11F7-7864-40B3-941C-B5E22C1DB46F@dsol.co.uk>
References: <40B9E6A8-0E15-4899-B788-82B1A6C36C27@ntlworld.com>
	<836E11F7-7864-40B3-941C-B5E22C1DB46F@dsol.co.uk>
Message-ID: <B6756890-5D11-409F-B405-7546E46884DB@ntlworld.com>


On 10 Oct 2008, at 13:46, Allan wrote:

> Depending on the router you are using, you can log into it and set  
> up a password under wireless settings.

Router is on my boyfriend's gateway machine as a wired Ethernet  
device. There are no wireless devices on the network apart from my  
Macbook. I really need to know how to set up my AirPort (inbuilt  
wireless) so that only my N96 can use the Internet from my Macbook,  
and not any random machine in the vicinity.

There are about 4 wireless networks locally, all of which have  
passwords. Adrian points out that I need to secure my Macbook. Both of  
us have looked at the AirPort settings and cannot find anything  
obvious about setting security/passwords.

Regards, R


From rbygrave at ntlworld.com  Fri Oct 10 17:53:21 2008
From: rbygrave at ntlworld.com (Ruth Bygrave)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:53:21 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Wireless
In-Reply-To: <C2F741F2-C971-48E8-914F-1937A6681AB1@dsol.co.uk>
References: <40B9E6A8-0E15-4899-B788-82B1A6C36C27@ntlworld.com>
	<836E11F7-7864-40B3-941C-B5E22C1DB46F@dsol.co.uk>
	<B6756890-5D11-409F-B405-7546E46884DB@ntlworld.com>
	<C2F741F2-C971-48E8-914F-1937A6681AB1@dsol.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CAEDEC74-EFB3-4396-8C11-9C798166B8A3@ntlworld.com>


> All sounds interesting. if you are accessing the Internet wirelessly  
> then some device must be broadcasting a signal for your N96 to  
> recognise and process. Now I may have missed something here but
>
> 1. Is your Macbook hard wired to the Internet via ethernet cable or  
> wireless
Connected to my boyfriend's gateway box, which has got the router on a  
direct Ethernet connection.
>
> 2. If it's hard wired, have you tried to set up your MacBook's  
> Airport card to as a Base Station?

I've spent the last ten minutes looking at the Networks/Airport thing  
in Control Panel, but cannot find an obvious thing for 'set password  
for other devices to log in'.

I suppose the broadcasting device is the MacBook, so I'm not sure at  
all about how to set it up.

Thx for the help, but still confused, R


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Oct 10 22:05:37 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 10 Oct 2008 22:05:37 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] 128GB Limit Question
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810102205370.31970@webm8.global.net.uk>

Hi

I have been trying to find the answer to this question, but to no avail.

All G4s (and G3s for that matter) before the Mirror Drive Door suffer from 
the 128GB hard drive limit, but does my PowerMac G4 Sawtooth AGP Graphics 
have a maximum limit of 128GB or a maximum limit per drive of 128GB.

I have a 20GB boot drive (primary master) and a 20GB on the same cable 
(primary slave). Then I have a DVD drive (secondary master) and zip drive 
(secondary slave).

I am proposing to have a 20GB boot drive (primary master), a 120GB on the 
same cable (primary slave) as both drives are 7200RPM. Then a DVD drive 
(secondary master) and a 20GB (secondary slave).

This would take me to 160GB (technically) on the internal ATA. Would this 
work?

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, 
hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple 
Mac.




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Oct 10 23:24:07 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 10 Oct 2008 23:24:07 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Watton Mac Group
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810102324070.5330@webm8.global.net.uk>

Hi

I am trying to find Mac users in the Watton, Dereham and surrounding close 
areas. I have set up a Google Group, so if you would like to join please 
visit

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/apple-macs-watton?hl=en-GB

If you know anyone who might like to join, please send them the above link.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, 
hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple 
Mac.




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat Oct 11 00:35:34 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 11 Oct 2008 00:35:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Breckland Mac Group
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810110035340.5330@webm8.global.net.uk>

Hi

Ignore my previous email about Watton Mac Group. I have changed it to 
Breckland Mac Group.

It is for Mac users in the Attleborough, Dereham, Swaffham, Thetford, 
Watton and surrounding areas. I have set up a Google Group, so if you would 
like to join please visit

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/apple-macs-breckland/

If you know anyone who might like to join, please send them the above link. 
Spread the word.

Simon


--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, 
hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple 
Mac.




From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sat Oct 11 07:54:41 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 07:54:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] TFT Fuzziness Solved... Ish
In-Reply-To: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810100939300.25691@pwebm1.global.net.uk>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810100939300.25691@pwebm1.global.net.uk>
Message-ID: <3B476B42-D4E6-4587-B819-C152943273F1@durrant.co.uk>

Hi Simon,

Since you're connecting up by VGA, the monitor is taking an analogue  
signal and trying to display it on the digital LCD. It may be that  
it's not doing a good job . Check for any adjustments you can make on  
the monitor to adjust the picture.

But I'd agree that the iMac G3s had very nice CRT displays.

Paul


On 10 Oct 2008, at 09:39, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> Well I have managed to work out there is nothing wrong with my  
> PowerMac G4 or the graphics card in it.
>
> I hooked my TFT monitor up to my iMac G3 via the VGA port on the  
> back (for mirroring) and the picture was just as fuzzy, so it is the  
> monitor after all.
>
> Maybe I am just very fussy, but the picture quality and crispness on  
> the iMac G3 is about the best I have seen in a long time. I then  
> checked the picture on my iBook G3 and PowerBook G3 and while this  
> is very good it doesn't measure up to the sharpness of the iMac -  
> another thing that makes them awesome machines.
>


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sat Oct 11 07:56:19 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 07:56:19 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Network Updates
In-Reply-To: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810101038270.25691@pwebm1.global.net.uk>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810101038270.25691@pwebm1.global.net.uk>
Message-ID: <296163E3-C567-4F18-A642-73D8C9A0A271@durrant.co.uk>

I don't think there's an automatic way to do it without Mac OS X Server.

Paul

On 10 Oct 2008, at 10:38, Simon Royal wrote:

> I have a number of machines and iMac G3, PowerMac G4, iBook G3 and  
> PowerBook G3. They are all running Tiger so updates are finished  
> with the exception of the odd Security Updates.
>
> However, when it comes to updating I have to go round and install  
> the updates on all the machines seperately. Not a problem if they  
> are not all running but if they do that is four machines sucking  
> bandwith.
>
> Is there a way to install an update across a network to all machines  
> in one go or is this an OSX Server thing?
>


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sat Oct 11 08:01:38 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 08:01:38 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Wireless
In-Reply-To: <40B9E6A8-0E15-4899-B788-82B1A6C36C27@ntlworld.com>
References: <40B9E6A8-0E15-4899-B788-82B1A6C36C27@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <21730FE3-274A-48F8-B947-08AC2AEB6442@durrant.co.uk>

If I understand your situation correctly, you have your MacBook  
connected to the internet by an ethernet cable, but you're then shaing  
your internet connection with your phone via the MacBooks' airport card.

in the Sharing System Preferences, select "Internet Sharing". There  
should then be an "Airport Options..." button. This button wil only be  
available when Internet sharing is turned off. So turn of Internet  
Sharing (Uncheck the "Internet Sharing" check box). Then enter a 5 or  
13 character password, and then re-enable Internet Sharing.

regards,

Paul

On 10 Oct 2008, at 13:16, Ruth Bygrave wrote:

> Am currently using my N96 phone over the wireless in my MacBook.  
> This is the only wireless computer in the house as our home network  
> is wired. I did not need to put a password on it.
>
> Boyfriend points out that I should secure my wireless so bad people  
> cannot use it.
>
> What do I do?



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat Oct 11 10:40:02 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 11 Oct 2008 10:40:02 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Drives Sorted (128GB Limit Answer)
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810111040020.18682@pwebm1.global.net.uk>

Hi

Thanks for everyones help. It was a lot easier to do than I thought.

I now have 20GB HD as my boot (primary master), 120GB for my music 
collection (primary slave), DVD drive (secondary master) and a 20GB 
(secondary slave) where the zip drive was.

It took less than 20 minutes to put it all in and worked first time. I had 
to mod the optical/zip bracket so I could connect the third hard drive up, 
but it works fine.

I will at some point be putting a 40GB in (and cloning from the boot), in 
place of the 20GB boot just to give OSX and my apps a bit more breathing 
room.

Cheers.



--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, 
hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple 
Mac.




From band1 at mac.com  Sat Oct 11 12:18:46 2008
From: band1 at mac.com (David King)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:18:46 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Studio Display going to dump
Message-ID: <B27B9F54-C58D-4264-BD4F-DEB6B9CF5A0D@mac.com>

I have a 17" LCD Studio Display (ADC connector) that has just been  
replaced as it no longer works as one of the tubes has gone.  Does  
anyone want it to have for spare parts?  If so let me know otherwise  
it will go to the dump.

David


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat Oct 11 15:05:32 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:05:32 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Printer Wanted
Message-ID: <TRTpWTpN9J3Y.GjRvJFNt@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi. Does anyone have a printer they are looking to rehome.

I have a rather large Epson Photo Stylus 1200, which works fine, but with the move to a PowerMac G4, the two will not fit in the desk I have.

It has a little shelf for a normal size printer but my printer hangs over the shelf into the space for the tower. I never had to worry about it before having my Intel iMac.

So I am looking for a reliable normal size USB Tiger and Leopard compatible printer. I don't print anything fancy, just PayPal postage and the odd page from the web.

Replacement cartridges do need to be cheap.

Simon

--- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71)



From rbygrave at ntlworld.com  Sat Oct 11 15:30:25 2008
From: rbygrave at ntlworld.com (Ruth Bygrave)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:30:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Wireless
In-Reply-To: <21730FE3-274A-48F8-B947-08AC2AEB6442@durrant.co.uk>
References: <40B9E6A8-0E15-4899-B788-82B1A6C36C27@ntlworld.com>
	<21730FE3-274A-48F8-B947-08AC2AEB6442@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8AF9CBDA-6892-4D84-83A2-E8230C342821@ntlworld.com>


On 11 Oct 2008, at 08:01, Paul Durrant wrote:

> If I understand your situation correctly, you have your MacBook  
> connected to the internet by an ethernet cable, but you're then  
> shaing your internet connection with your phone via the MacBooks'  
> airport card.
Correct -- I did point this out at first, but I've had about 4 or 5  
replies explaining how to set up an Airport Base Station, which I  
don't have...

> in the Sharing System Preferences, select "Internet Sharing". There  
> should then be an "Airport Options..." button. This button wil only  
> be available when Internet sharing is turned off. So turn of  
> Internet Sharing (Uncheck the "Internet Sharing" check box). Then  
> enter a 5 or 13 character password, and then re-enable Internet  
> Sharing.

That's exactly it! Thank you!

Regards, (...I was obviously looking Very Hard, in the Wrong Place...)  
Ruth


From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Sun Oct 12 10:15:18 2008
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 10:15:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Contacting Joe Butler
Message-ID: <FC43351B-C775-4F9F-9601-B0EB3B9B1672@zen.co.uk>

Hi Joe,

My mate at work is still waiting to hear from you about the G4 iMac.

Can you please contact if able to do so as he's had no reply to phone  
e-mail or texts.

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk





From ghowells at f2s.com  Sun Oct 12 16:13:50 2008
From: ghowells at f2s.com (G.Howells)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:13:50 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Re: Multifunctiion'printers'
In-Reply-To: <45C46902.4030204@mac.com>
References: <2b828849a82badd9800e0d0a957bf33f@virgin.net>
	<45C46902.4030204@mac.com>
Message-ID: <a06240800c517bfd0ff8a@[192.168.2.3]>

Hi everyone.
	A little over 15 months ago my Epson multifunction 
printer/scanner/copier CX5200 stopped working and Epson said that 
nothing could be done with it and sold me a multifunction DX6050.
	The DX6050 has now stopped working (after 15 months), the 
display indicating that there is a paper jam, but no paper there 
jammed! The paper-advance rollers are rotating for a long period 
every so often as though it's trying to do something and then failing.
	I have tried various things: switching the mains off and on, 
trying to persuade a thin card to be taken through the machine. 
Looking under the lid makes me wonder if a little ink has sprayed 
over part inside.
	Does anyone know if there is a sensor in it that could be 
affected by a slight coating of ink. Any other ideas welcome (within 
reason!). I haven't got time to take it apart at the moment, but have 
things to print at the start of the week.
	Having had 2 Epsons break down recently I have been wondering 
whether to go to a different make of machine (despite claims by many 
people that Epson is currently the best). Does anyone have experience 
with a recent Canon machine (multifunction or printer); how are they 
for printing  photographs? Or hp machines: are the recent ones noisy 
as hp was reported to be a few years ago?
	Or do I just throw a dart and buy whatever I hit?!

Best wishes,
Gordon.


From peter.woods at dsl.pipex.com  Sun Oct 12 16:31:59 2008
From: peter.woods at dsl.pipex.com (Peter Woods)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:31:59 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] PowerBook for sale
Message-ID: <C517D6FF.4D20%peter.woods@dsl.pipex.com>

Hi all,

I'm looking to sell my Powerbook.

Spec is:  17" G4, 1.33 ,1 gig ram, brand new 150 gig HD, clean install of
10.5 with office etc.

Good condition with spare battery, charger, original install discs
 etc.

Been kept as a spare for the last few months, after buying a Macbook pro,
but just gathering dust now.

Looking for about ?375.

Cheers
Peter

07986 003214







From johnjarman at mac.com  Mon Oct 13 12:22:23 2008
From: johnjarman at mac.com (John Jarman)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:22:23 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] nmug digest
Message-ID: <B046C329-8DC7-40F3-A56E-43C428483FDF@mac.com>

Does anyone have experience with a recent Canon machine (multifunction  
or printer); how are they for printing  photographs? Or hp machines:  
are the recent ones noisy as hp was reported to be a few years ago?
Go for a Canon, you wont be dissapointed.  I have always had Epsons  
but recently bought a Canon IP4500, i.e. just the printer, as we have  
a good stand alone scanner.  Photographs are as good as you would get
from Photobox or similar and the inks last for ages.  It will also  
printed CD/DVD's if you need that as well. 
  


From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Mon Oct 13 15:55:54 2008
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:55:54 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Multifunction printers
In-Reply-To: <20081013110003.572297BEB44@mail.durrant.co.uk>
References: <20081013110003.572297BEB44@mail.durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4CD37069-36C6-40BD-BD82-D34FC67E068E@gmail.com>


>
>
> From: "G.Howells" <ghowells at f2s.com>
> Subject: [NMUG] Re: Multifunctiion'printers'
> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Message-ID: <a06240800c517bfd0ff8a@[192.168.2.3]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
>
> 	Having had 2 Epsons break down recently I have been wondering
> whether to go to a different make of machine (despite claims by many
> people that Epson is currently the best). Does anyone have experience
> with a recent Canon machine (multifunction or printer); how are they
> for printing  photographs? Or hp machines: are the recent ones noisy
> as hp was reported to be a few years ago?
> 	Or do I just throw a dart and buy whatever I hit?!

Nowadays, printers are simply mechanisms provided to use up ink. It's  
the ink where the profit is made. If the printer manufacturers could  
get you to buy ink without them having to make a printer, they'd go  
for it.

Unless you pay top dollar for a commercial office quality printer,  
expect a printer to die after 12 - 15 months of average use and you  
won't be surprised.

I don't see much if any quality difference between all the various  
models so my choice is to more or less go for the cheapest one at the  
time. One factor I always consider is if the model I am thinking of  
buying has OEM ink suppliers supporting it. I never buy a model where  
I am forced to buy the original manufacturer's special cartridge.

My current model is a Canon, Pixma 150. It scans, copies and prints  
and is supported by good Mac one-button software. prints just fine and  
so  far - 12 months - has not broken down.



From philip.marriage at sizzel.net  Mon Oct 13 17:00:00 2008
From: philip.marriage at sizzel.net (philip marriage)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:00:00 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Epson multidisfunction 
Message-ID: <55DA8597-2571-4063-A627-57A63A157934@sizzel.net>

This may not help Gordon, but I noticed that there is an Epson repair  
desk within the Jarrolds Office Shop.

Philip




From eenow at tiscali.co.uk  Tue Oct 14 13:49:12 2008
From: eenow at tiscali.co.uk (eenow at tiscali.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:49:12 +0100 (GMT+01:00)
Subject: [NMUG] forgotten login - password
Message-ID: <9371425.1223988552120.JavaMail.root@ps29>


I have just reclaimed my old eMac from the 'top of the wardrobe' - - 
old problems with disk drive and thus not being able / knowing how to 
upgrade put it there a while ago -

but I would like to look at/use some old stuff I know is on it, 
trouble is I seem to have forgotten my main login - I am 
'Administrator' - but I can get on to another of my accounts (which 
doesn't have admin rights)

can anyone help please?

thanks

Nigel




Free Games for all the family - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/play

________________________________________________



From robbiemurray at f2s.com  Tue Oct 14 14:58:46 2008
From: robbiemurray at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:58:46 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] forgotten login - password
In-Reply-To: <12099392.1223991449184.JavaMail.root@ps29>
References: <12099392.1223991449184.JavaMail.root@ps29>
Message-ID: <739AFD3D-3B97-48C7-8B3E-69F926ADCA4C@f2s.com>

A good question, as if it's the original (Root) administrator, you may  
still not be able to access it or change the password.  Maybe more  
savvy members than me have an answer.

I did muse on putting it in Target mode and copying onto another  
machine with a working disk drive, but that's not something you would  
necessarily have lying around!

Perhaps get a hold of a Firewire CD/DVD drive and boot from that using  
the system disk - I know this works as I bought half a dozen  
educational eMacs which came with no system installed at all, and  
loaded 10.3 one at a time - the machine will recognise the drive after  
booting: if there's already a system installed, I would guess start up  
with the alt key held down, and it should give you the choice of which  
drive to boot from.

Hope this helps

Robbie


On 14 Oct 2008, at 14:37, eenow at tiscali.co.uk wrote:

Thank you Robbie!

Machine is running OSX 10.2.8 - to explain more fully, the disk drive
is not working properly - eg when I try and use disk drive - the tray
is playing up and when I can open and put any disc in - upgrade or
install machine doesn't want to complete the reading of it - from
memory something like - failed to initialize ....

I am up for the second route - the documents etc that are on my Admin
account/desktop is stuff I want - having created a new account I can
use it for future work but how do I access old stuff?


regards
Nigel


> ----Original Message----
> From: robbiemurray at f2s.com
> Date: 14/10/2008 14:12
> To: "eenow at tiscali.co.uk"<eenow at tiscali.co.uk>
> Subj: Re: [NMUG] forgotten login - password
>
> Hello Nigel
>
> You can overwrite and reset it if you have the system disk - see
>
> http://tinyurl.com/5epjq7
>
> and scroll down.
>
> This is the Apple solution, but if you're brave, or comfortable
with
> terminal, here's a hack:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/5dkacg
>
> Good luck!
>
> Robbie
>
>



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Oct 14 23:10:36 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:10:36 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Intel iMac Dead - Update
Message-ID: <pksLr4Mgg1Zf.SfkGmg8H@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

I finally got round to taking apart my dead Intel iMac, just to have a peak.

The hard drive appears physically ok but being SATA I cannot check it out fully.

I had a look all over the logic board. Nothing physically out of character.

I did notice that the board at the top (which I pressume is the charge/power board) has burn marks on the underneath and the chips on top look burnt.

Could this be the problem. I pressume as it has power leads running off it that it controls power to the other components.

Could this cause boot failure? Would it cause a fortune to replace this? Is there anyway of checking this is the problem?

Simon

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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed Oct 15 07:58:02 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 07:58:02 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Intel iMac Dead - Update
In-Reply-To: <pksLr4Mgg1Zf.SfkGmg8H@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <pksLr4Mgg1Zf.SfkGmg8H@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7C48FB48-E6A7-4A27-96E1-AE266A34BCAF@durrant.co.uk>

Burn marks and scorched chips sound like the problem. I'm not sure  
where you can get a spare to swap in.

Paul

On 14 Oct 2008, at 23:10, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi.
>
> I finally got round to taking apart my dead Intel iMac, just to have  
> a peak.
>
> The hard drive appears physically ok but being SATA I cannot check  
> it out fully.
>
> I had a look all over the logic board. Nothing physically out of  
> character.
>
> I did notice that the board at the top (which I pressume is the  
> charge/power board) has burn marks on the underneath and the chips  
> on top look burnt.
>
> Could this be the problem. I pressume as it has power leads running  
> off it that it controls power to the other components.
>
> Could this cause boot failure? Would it cause a fortune to replace  
> this? Is there anyway of checking this is the problem?



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed Oct 15 08:01:42 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:01:42 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New Notebooks
Message-ID: <4F368FB4-E76B-4071-8B58-5C7B9FA8001D@durrant.co.uk>

Apple have announced new notebooks in all three ranges - MacBook,  
MacBook Pro and MacBook Air.

Oddly, they're keeping the old low-end white MacBook as the new low  
end, with the new Aluminium/Glass MacBooks as mid and high end MacBooks.
The 15" MacBook Pro has been entirely replaced by the new 15"  
Aluminium/Glass MacBook Pro.
The 17" MacBook Pro has just had a refresh.

The new MacBook looks great except that they've dropped firewire on it.
The new MacBook Pro 15" looks very nice indeed.

But none of them are enough to get me to replace my current MacBook.  
perhaps the next revision.

The clever thing about the manufacture is that the case is machined  
from a solid block of aluminium, which makes it much stiffer for the  
same weight.

Paul


From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Wed Oct 15 08:55:02 2008
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 08:55:02 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New Notebooks
In-Reply-To: <4F368FB4-E76B-4071-8B58-5C7B9FA8001D@durrant.co.uk>
References: <4F368FB4-E76B-4071-8B58-5C7B9FA8001D@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <F96CF42D-7F04-4893-9945-230F92A88C8A@virgin.net>


On Oct 15, 2008, at 08:01, Paul Durrant wrote:

> Apple have announced new notebooks in all three ranges - MacBook,  
> MacBook Pro and MacBook Air.
> But none of them are enough to get me to replace my current MacBook.  
> perhaps the next revision.

You mean that the 'four-finger gestures' aren't a must-have feature  
for you?


:)

Paul C



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed Oct 15 09:14:34 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:14:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New Notebooks
In-Reply-To: <F96CF42D-7F04-4893-9945-230F92A88C8A@virgin.net>
References: <4F368FB4-E76B-4071-8B58-5C7B9FA8001D@durrant.co.uk>
	<F96CF42D-7F04-4893-9945-230F92A88C8A@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <201747E9-A2D4-4230-AD4A-D4C56980297E@durrant.co.uk>

Firewire is such a stunningly useful interface for Macs, I can't see  
myself buying one of the new MacBooks. I've very disappointed that  
they have dropped firewire in the new MacBooks. If they have such a  
close relationship with Nvidia (who produce the combined video/support  
chip for the new MacBook) I'm surprised that didn't persuade them to  
include at least Firewire 400 support in there.

I confess that the new MacBook Pro looks tempting. The new  
construction means that that plastic gasket around the edge of the  
palm rest has gone (which I've always hated), and so has the  
mechanical catch. Add to that the move of the optical drive to the  
right hand side, the easily swappable hard disk, and if I needed a new  
machine, I think it'd be the 15" MacBook Pro

And if I needed a new display to go with it, the new 24" display looks  
wonderful - with the three way cable it's designed to be the second  
monitor for a MacBook or MacBook Pro.

Still - I reckon I'll keep on with my current machine until the next  
revision or two. Perhaps I'll upgrade in 2009.

Paul

On 15 Oct 2008, at 08:55, Paul Chapman wrote:

>
> On Oct 15, 2008, at 08:01, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
>> Apple have announced new notebooks in all three ranges - MacBook,  
>> MacBook Pro and MacBook Air.
>> But none of them are enough to get me to replace my current  
>> MacBook. perhaps the next revision.
>
> You mean that the 'four-finger gestures' aren't a must-have feature  
> for you?
>



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Oct 15 09:35:44 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 15 Oct 2008 09:35:44 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New Notebooks
In-Reply-To: <201747E9-A2D4-4230-AD4A-D4C56980297E@durrant.co.uk>
References: <4F368FB4-E76B-4071-8B58-5C7B9FA8001D@durrant.co.uk>
	<201747E9-A2D4-4230-AD4A-D4C56980297E@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810150935440.26478@webm5.global.net.uk>

Well

That has put me off too. Now that I am using older hardware for a little 
while as my main machine and don't have the luxury of USB2, Firewire has 
been a saviour.

I will have to think twice about buying a new Mac if they are starting to 
drop Firewire from them. I still have my 40GB iPod Photo which I use via 
Firewire and it has been a life saver, I am not looking to upgrade this at 
any time soon.

I have a bunch of Firewire external drives too. What am I supposed to do 
with these?

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, 
hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple 
Mac.


On Oct 15 2008, Paul Durrant wrote:

Firewire is such a stunningly useful interface for Macs, I can't see  
myself buying one of the new MacBooks. I've very disappointed that  
they have dropped firewire in the new MacBooks. If they have such a  
close relationship with Nvidia (who produce the combined video/support  
chip for the new MacBook) I'm surprised that didn't persuade them to  
include at least Firewire 400 support in there.

I confess that the new MacBook Pro looks tempting. The new  
construction means that that plastic gasket around the edge of the  
palm rest has gone (which I've always hated), and so has the  
mechanical catch. Add to that the move of the optical drive to the  
right hand side, the easily swappable hard disk, and if I needed a new  
machine, I think it'd be the 15" MacBook Pro

And if I needed a new display to go with it, the new 24" display looks  
wonderful - with the three way cable it's designed to be the second  
monitor for a MacBook or MacBook Pro.

Still - I reckon I'll keep on with my current machine until the next  
revision or two. Perhaps I'll upgrade in 2009.

Paul

On 15 Oct 2008, at 08:55, Paul Chapman wrote:

>
> On Oct 15, 2008, at 08:01, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
>> Apple have announced new notebooks in all three ranges - MacBook,  
>> MacBook Pro and MacBook Air.
>> But none of them are enough to get me to replace my current  
>> MacBook. perhaps the next revision.
>
> You mean that the 'four-finger gestures' aren't a must-have feature  
> for you?
>

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From david.tillyer at googlemail.com  Wed Oct 15 09:42:03 2008
From: david.tillyer at googlemail.com (David Tillyer)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:42:03 +0100
Subject: Fwd: [NMUG] New Notebooks
In-Reply-To: <f8880ecc0810150141k20949154l8cc7c809880704a8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F368FB4-E76B-4071-8B58-5C7B9FA8001D@durrant.co.uk>
	<201747E9-A2D4-4230-AD4A-D4C56980297E@durrant.co.uk>
	<BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810150935440.26478@webm5.global.net.uk>
	<f8880ecc0810150141k20949154l8cc7c809880704a8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f8880ecc0810150142h1864768fh4cb0e070f723a4de@mail.gmail.com>

It does support FW 400 through the 800 socket via an adapter. I can
understand their logic... FW400 used to be the standard for data transfer
from camcorders etc but these days USB 2.0 is faster and most new camcorders
no longer support FW. Most new hard drives that aren't USB are FW800. Apple
are (and should not) sticking with old tech and choosing to move forward but
they still offer users backwards compatibility via a simple adapter.

David

2008/10/15 Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>




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From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Wed Oct 15 09:57:01 2008
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 09:57:01 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New Notebooks
In-Reply-To: <f8880ecc0810150142h1864768fh4cb0e070f723a4de@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F368FB4-E76B-4071-8B58-5C7B9FA8001D@durrant.co.uk>
	<201747E9-A2D4-4230-AD4A-D4C56980297E@durrant.co.uk>
	<BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810150935440.26478@webm5.global.net.uk>
	<f8880ecc0810150141k20949154l8cc7c809880704a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<f8880ecc0810150142h1864768fh4cb0e070f723a4de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <623ADAC0-97E6-4FDA-87C9-E3FCBE5BA79E@virgin.net>


On Oct 15, 2008, at 09:42, David Tillyer wrote:

> It does support FW 400 through the 800 socket via an adapter.

Apple will probably sell you one but they are readily available for  
about ?7.

I agree that Apple should continue to push forward with the  
technology. Remember the outcry when the iMac came out...no floppy  
disc!! Horror! They were a bit brave but totally correct.

Paul C



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Oct 15 10:12:19 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 15 Oct 2008 10:12:19 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New Notebooks
In-Reply-To: <623ADAC0-97E6-4FDA-87C9-E3FCBE5BA79E@virgin.net>
References: <4F368FB4-E76B-4071-8B58-5C7B9FA8001D@durrant.co.uk>
	<623ADAC0-97E6-4FDA-87C9-E3FCBE5BA79E@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810151012190.26478@webm5.global.net.uk>

Hi

Is it just me stuck in the Mac past then?

I'm still waiting for a revision of the iMac G3 :)

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, 
hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple 
Mac.


On Oct 15 2008, Paul Chapman wrote:


On Oct 15, 2008, at 09:42, David Tillyer wrote:

> It does support FW 400 through the 800 socket via an adapter.

Apple will probably sell you one but they are readily available for  
about ?7.

I agree that Apple should continue to push forward with the  
technology. Remember the outcry when the iMac came out...no floppy  
disc!! Horror! They were a bit brave but totally correct.

Paul C

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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed Oct 15 10:21:57 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:21:57 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New Notebooks
In-Reply-To: <f8880ecc0810150142h1864768fh4cb0e070f723a4de@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F368FB4-E76B-4071-8B58-5C7B9FA8001D@durrant.co.uk>
	<201747E9-A2D4-4230-AD4A-D4C56980297E@durrant.co.uk>
	<BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810150935440.26478@webm5.global.net.uk>
	<f8880ecc0810150141k20949154l8cc7c809880704a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<f8880ecc0810150142h1864768fh4cb0e070f723a4de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C66E10D7-5931-444C-9114-E8D404599D99@durrant.co.uk>

The MacBook Pro has Firewire 800 which, as you say, works with FW400  
with a simple cable adapter. I'm entirely happy with Apple moving to  
use FW800 as standard, and not providing a FW400 port.

The new MacBook doesn't have FireWire of any description.

Paul

On 15 Oct 2008, at 09:42, David Tillyer wrote:

> It does support FW 400 through the 800 socket via an adapter. I can
> understand their logic... FW400 used to be the standard for data  
> transfer
> from camcorders etc but these days USB 2.0 is faster and most new  
> camcorders
> no longer support FW. Most new hard drives that aren't USB are  
> FW800. Apple
> are (and should not) sticking with old tech and choosing to move  
> forward but
> they still offer users backwards compatibility via a simple adapter.
>
> David



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Oct 15 10:29:28 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 15 Oct 2008 10:29:28 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New Notebooks
In-Reply-To: <C66E10D7-5931-444C-9114-E8D404599D99@durrant.co.uk>
References: <4F368FB4-E76B-4071-8B58-5C7B9FA8001D@durrant.co.uk>
	<C66E10D7-5931-444C-9114-E8D404599D99@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810151029280.26478@webm5.global.net.uk>

Hi

I'm still cross about the loss of ADB.

Simon

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hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
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Mac.


On Oct 15 2008, Paul Durrant wrote:

The MacBook Pro has Firewire 800 which, as you say, works with FW400  
with a simple cable adapter. I'm entirely happy with Apple moving to  
use FW800 as standard, and not providing a FW400 port.

The new MacBook doesn't have FireWire of any description.

Paul

On 15 Oct 2008, at 09:42, David Tillyer wrote:

> It does support FW 400 through the 800 socket via an adapter. I can
> understand their logic... FW400 used to be the standard for data  
> transfer
> from camcorders etc but these days USB 2.0 is faster and most new  
> camcorders
> no longer support FW. Most new hard drives that aren't USB are  
> FW800. Apple
> are (and should not) sticking with old tech and choosing to move  
> forward but
> they still offer users backwards compatibility via a simple adapter.
>
> David

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From robbiemurray at f2s.com  Wed Oct 15 10:31:02 2008
From: robbiemurray at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:31:02 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New Notebooks
In-Reply-To: <f8880ecc0810150142h1864768fh4cb0e070f723a4de@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4F368FB4-E76B-4071-8B58-5C7B9FA8001D@durrant.co.uk>
	<201747E9-A2D4-4230-AD4A-D4C56980297E@durrant.co.uk>
	<BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810150935440.26478@webm5.global.net.uk>
	<f8880ecc0810150141k20949154l8cc7c809880704a8@mail.gmail.com>
	<f8880ecc0810150142h1864768fh4cb0e070f723a4de@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37369345-A543-4098-8426-FD84E88DF498@f2s.com>

In theory, perhaps, but I've always found FW400 faster in practice,  
and being able to daisy chain drives is a real bonus.

FW800, though, is brilliant - my SuperDuper clone runs almost as fast  
as my HD, but I'm waiting for iMacs to offer a SATA port and then I'll  
be in heaven ....

Robbie


I think it failed to make headway as it was really only supported by  
Apple & Canon.
If it's not on a PC, it doesn't have much of a future

On 15 Oct 2008, at 09:42, David Tillyer wrote:

FW400 used to be the standard for data transfer
from camcorders etc but these days USB 2.0 is faster and most new  
camcorders
no longer support FW.
David

2008/10/15 Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>




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From jeremyknight at mac.com  Wed Oct 15 11:25:26 2008
From: jeremyknight at mac.com (jeremy knight)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:25:26 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Internet site
Message-ID: <D2077645-5567-4173-8BD8-4E2634A40D42@mac.com>

I have had an an idea for an internet .
It will require a large database,someone with knowledge of how to set  
up and run such a site.
  Anyone interested please contact me off the list.
  jeremy


From dan_tombs at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 15 11:37:52 2008
From: dan_tombs at hotmail.com (Dan Tombs)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:37:52 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] New MacBooks,  Firewire who ha
Message-ID: <BLU122-W42E8AA2839BAFC90F649169C300@phx.gbl>


Hi folks, 

As a video editor FW connections are essential to my working practice, it seems a shame that the MacBook now has no firewire support - but i guess it is more of a pro feature and i wonder actually how many macbook users use it? the only serious disadvantage would be no target disc mode, i wonder if it will be supported in some other way in the future? be interesting to see the set up screen for the primary user account on the new MacBook and see what options you get to transfer information from another Mac?

Also when the Macbook Pro was first launched it didn't have fw800, that was quickly rectified with the first revision, i wonder if apple will back peddle on these MacBooks too in a similar manner?

Still a 15" MBP is very tempting right now.

Dan 
_________________________________________________________________
Discover Bird's Eye View now with Multimap from Live Search
http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/111354026/direct/01/

From karl.hortt at btinternet.com  Wed Oct 15 11:59:40 2008
From: karl.hortt at btinternet.com (Karl Hortt)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:59:40 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] new search engine
Message-ID: <923DDDF1-33CE-4F6B-9AF3-2EA48DDF61C5@btinternet.com>



Hi All,

I have just been trying a new search engine

it has been made by folk who have left google


It seems very "appley" to me !!!

it appears to be very quick and gives results in an interesting way:-


www.cuil.com



regards

Karl


From robbiemurray at f2s.com  Wed Oct 15 12:36:32 2008
From: robbiemurray at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:36:32 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] new search engine
In-Reply-To: <923DDDF1-33CE-4F6B-9AF3-2EA48DDF61C5@btinternet.com>
References: <923DDDF1-33CE-4F6B-9AF3-2EA48DDF61C5@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <AAB41052-F136-46F3-87A7-0D630BA340C4@f2s.com>

Cool!

On 15 Oct 2008, at 11:59, Karl Hortt wrote:



Hi All,

I have just been trying a new search engine

it has been made by folk who have left google


It seems very "appley" to me !!!

it appears to be very quick and gives results in an interesting way:-


www.cuil.com



regards

Karl
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From homeopathy.expert at googlemail.com  Wed Oct 15 12:53:38 2008
From: homeopathy.expert at googlemail.com (Simon King)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:53:38 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Insomniac G5
Message-ID: <734d07ef0810150453i5af05e9eiebdf2a7f5fb6b59e@mail.gmail.com>

My G5 dual 2.3PPC has just started refusing to go bye bye
I put it to sleep and either it wakes up again immediately or it just
refuses to go to sleep or it takes ages to go to sleep. For example I had
set it to sleep ,nothing happened, so I started typing this  email and got
as far as just before the italics type when it slept, but it didnt sleep
properly I could still hear a slight humm.

any thoughts?

Thanks


 Simon


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Oct 15 15:43:33 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 15 Oct 2008 15:43:33 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Testing SATA
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810151543330.2458@webm5.global.net.uk>

Hi

I have just pulled the hard drive from my Intel iMac, which I presumed was 
dead, but now not so sure.

All my other Macs are older and only have IDE and USB 1.1

Is there any other way to test if this drive works fine or not? I have been 
looking at SATA to IDE converters on eBay as well as USB to SATA 
connectors, but they all say USB 2, will this work on USB 1.1 just slower 
or does it definitely require USB 2?

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, 
hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple 
Mac.




From ghowells at f2s.com  Wed Oct 15 16:07:22 2008
From: ghowells at f2s.com (G.Howells)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:07:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Re: Printers
In-Reply-To: <B046C329-8DC7-40F3-A56E-43C428483FDF@mac.com>
References: <B046C329-8DC7-40F3-A56E-43C428483FDF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <a06240802c51bb499c856@[192.168.2.3]>

My thanks to all those who came back to me on this subject. At the 
moment that John's email came through about his Canon iP4500 I was 
actually looking at that model on Canon's website.

I did try Epson as Simon suggested but was met, as last time, by "We 
can give you a name of a repairer but it will be cheaper to buy a new 
one which we can sell you for as little as----"

Having read some encouraging words from other nmug members I phoned 
our local Camera shop (very good camera shop) and asked about the iP 
4500 only to be told that it had been replaced by a new model iP4600 
which they had just had in and hadn't even entered on their system. 
As they didn't know the price we looked it up on the Canon Shop site 
and it was the same as the old model. I went up and got one and it's 
working well. The only reservation I have is that there is a lot of 
hard plastic protection on cartridges and on the printhead that has 
to be thrown away. Landfill fuller!

Thanks, too, to Philip for mentioning the Epson repair desk at 
Jarrolds Office Shop. Unfortunately, I live in North wales these days 
and it's a little far to come.

Best wishes.
Gordon.


From hughmorgan at turrethouse.demon.co.uk  Wed Oct 15 16:10:52 2008
From: hughmorgan at turrethouse.demon.co.uk (hugh morgan)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:10:52 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ancestry
Message-ID: <a06240801c51bb5c502a0@[192.168.0.2]>

Dear All

A relative has sent me a hand-written family tree which I would like 
to tidy up and put on the Mac.   I seem to remember that we have 
members who know about genealogy etc and wonder if someone could 
recommend a bit of software which would make an easy job of compiling 
a neat family tree - some sort of flexible template is what I suppose 
I need.    Any suggestions would be welcome.

Hugh Morgan


From band1 at mac.com  Wed Oct 15 17:47:42 2008
From: band1 at mac.com (David King)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:47:42 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ancestry
In-Reply-To: <a06240801c51bb5c502a0@[192.168.0.2]>
References: <a06240801c51bb5c502a0@[192.168.0.2]>
Message-ID: <E5E7C3FA-11E3-4CB4-A78A-0B3F3B24FAE7@mac.com>

http://genealogy.about.com/od/software_mac/Genealogy_Software_Macintosh.htm

and

http://www.versiontracker.com/php/qs.php?mode=basic&action=search&str=genealogy&srchArea=macosx&submit=Go

and I think all these three are free:

GEDitCOM

Heredis Mac X  (probably the best)

Mac Family Tree

but worth googling as well


regards
David



On 15 Oct 2008, at 16:10, hugh morgan wrote:

> Dear All
>
> A relative has sent me a hand-written family tree which I would like  
> to tidy up and put on the Mac.   I seem to remember that we have  
> members who know about genealogy etc and wonder if someone could  
> recommend a bit of software which would make an easy job of  
> compiling a neat family tree - some sort of flexible template is  
> what I suppose I need.    Any suggestions would be welcome.
>
> Hugh Morgan
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From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Wed Oct 15 21:15:54 2008
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:15:54 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Dead 2003 G5 Power Mac
Message-ID: <C9F406DE-BA63-4A0F-9C1C-BDAF9E160518@zen.co.uk>

So far System Solutions have been unable to diagnose my problem, they  
are suggesting its terminal with either the motherboard or CPU  
implicated.

I'm considering waiting for MacWorld in January to see what that  
brings as the current Mac Pro is getting a bit long in the tooth.  
Launched last January.

What chips are expected to be in 2009's Macs?

It looks as if I will have to strip the beast and sell the usable stuff.

Two hard drives I'll keep as they can go (I think) into a new Mac Pro  
as they are SATA.
Airport Extreme can go
As can 5.5 GB RAM
and a Radeon X800XT graphics card

Anyone likely to be interested?

Finally, Joe Butler appears to have gone to ground and a workmate who  
wants a G4 iMac has given up on him. Does anyone out there have a G4  
iMac they are interested in selling for a reasonable price? If so can  
you e-mail me specs?

It must be a G4 iMac.

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk





From hughmorgan at turrethouse.demon.co.uk  Thu Oct 16 11:01:22 2008
From: hughmorgan at turrethouse.demon.co.uk (hugh morgan)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:01:22 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] ancestry
Message-ID: <a06240800c51cc10aa872@[192.168.0.2]>

Thanks to Paul & David - I have downloaded the Heredis MacX.2 Demo 
and will give it a go.    Hugh


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Oct 16 11:26:46 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:26:46 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Landscaping/3D Worlds
Message-ID: <zFkdP53g2tgy.L6KS2kjq@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

I am interested in making a little 3D world of my house and garden.

This isn't as sad as it sounds. We are redecorating the house and redesigning oir garden and it would be nice to see a 3D model of our proposals.

Can anyone recommend any software to do it.

Simon

--- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71)



From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk  Thu Oct 16 13:01:19 2008
From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:01:19 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Broadband
Message-ID: <0ECDBA70-6E8D-4DE3-B1FE-44AF16DDF99E@themagic.me.uk>

I am considering changing supplier from BT, ?15.99 a month after 3  
months. Virgin now available not from cable is ?12, had 1 good report  
about them. Any other suppliers to recommend, please?

Anthony

From anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk  Thu Oct 16 13:08:57 2008
From: anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk (Anthony Brahams)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 13:08:57 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Switch on/off problem
Message-ID: <81BC425F-D51A-44FA-A7D0-B729D6A6721E@themagic.me.uk>

Thanks Paul C and Jeremy for your replies. I have made certain all  
apps. off before shutting down although this was unnecessary with  
earlier OS! Things all right for 3 or 4 days, then I walked by the  
switched-off computer, may  have brushed against its desk, and  
suddenly heard the chime as it came on. Then OK for 3 days until this  
morning when I went past the desk, did not touch computer and left  
room. When I returned an hour later it was on. Leopard has caused  
problems, maybe here? However this did not occur until after 10.5.5  
installed.

Any suggestions on this welcome, thanks.

Anthony


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Oct 16 13:57:55 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 16 Oct 2008 13:57:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] eMac or iMac G4 Wanted
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810161357550.30221@webm10.global.net.uk>

Hi

I am looking for a cheap eMac or iMac G4.

If anyone has any going email me please.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, 
hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple 
Mac.




From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com  Thu Oct 16 20:42:13 2008
From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:42:13 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Cheers Microsoft!
Message-ID: <179C0A2B-5FAD-4D0B-A26B-DD750CF76570@ruthmurray.f2s.com>

Here I am - working away and I thought I would watch something on ITV  
catch up to keep me company. This used to work fine until now and I  
get the message

The page ?Video - ITV Catch Up? has content of MIME type ?application/ 
x-silverlight-2?. Because you don?t have a plug-in installed for this  
MIME type, this content can?t be displayed.

So I go to install the Silverlight2 software only to be informed that  
it is not suitable for PowerPC.   Back to having only BBC iPlayer to  
play with now then.
Cheers Microsoft!


Ruth Murray
ruth at ruthmurray.f2s.com

Ruth Murray
Graphic Design and Illustration
01603 632334

Web portfolio at www.ruthmurray.net






From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Thu Oct 16 21:38:21 2008
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:38:21 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] OpenOffice.org 3
In-Reply-To: <179C0A2B-5FAD-4D0B-A26B-DD750CF76570@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
References: <179C0A2B-5FAD-4D0B-A26B-DD750CF76570@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
Message-ID: <1C1367DF-CDAC-4CFA-B65B-5FAD3F2B5D22@virgin.net>

I downloaded this latest version of OpenOffice the other day and it is  
happily dealing with all my Word and Exel documents. I haven't tried  
its database or drawing modules yet and I don't think I will need the  
presentation feature. Anyone know why most people cannot use this  
rather than buy MS Office?

Paul C


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Oct 16 22:08:19 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 22:08:19 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] OpenOffice.org 3
Message-ID: <jw5HrbCzsN3B.RHxSRyVj@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Paul.

OpenOffice 3 for Mac is only in Alpha testing at present. I have been following its progress.

It is definitely a good piece of software. NeoOffice is ok but being java based is slow.

Simon

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-original message-
Subject: [NMUG] OpenOffice.org 3
From: Paul Chapman <penguin.999 at virgin.net>
Date: 16/10/2008 21:38

I downloaded this latest version of OpenOffice the other day and it is  
happily dealing with all my Word and Exel documents. I haven't tried  
its database or drawing modules yet and I don't think I will need the  
presentation feature. Anyone know why most people cannot use this  
rather than buy MS Office?

Paul C
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Oct 17 10:54:45 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 17 Oct 2008 10:54:45 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Spare Graphics Card For Early G4
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810171054450.25986@pwebm1.global.net.uk>

Hi

I have a PowerMac G4 'Sawtooth'. It was the first G4 to have AGP graphics, 
however someone has removed the graphics card and put in a 16MB PCI card 
that looks like it is from a Blue & White G3.

Does anyone have a spare graphics either one like the one that should be in 
it (an ATI Rage Pro 128 AGP version) or a PCI card with more than 16MB 
video.

I have been looking at the NVidia GeForce2MX 32MB (AGP) and the ATI Radeon 
7000 (PCI).

It has to have a VGA connection.

Simon 

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, 
hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple 
Mac.




From peter.hunter1 at sky.com  Fri Oct 17 11:24:15 2008
From: peter.hunter1 at sky.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:24:15 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Intel Mac-Mini wanted
Message-ID: <F5867429-D12D-400B-8B2C-BEB017745DBB@sky.com>

Hi,

If anyone has an Intel Mac mini for sale please let me know.

You can reply by email or call me on:  07983856097

Cheers,  Peter



From david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk  Fri Oct 17 11:24:43 2008
From: david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk (David Reynolds)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:24:43 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Spare Graphics Card For Early G4
In-Reply-To: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810171054450.25986@pwebm1.global.net.uk>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810171054450.25986@pwebm1.global.net.uk>
Message-ID: <275FBFDE-15B6-4B80-89BE-40E224E0DC36@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>


On 17 Oct 2008, at 10:54 am, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> I have a PowerMac G4 'Sawtooth'. It was the first G4 to have AGP  
> graphics, however someone has removed the graphics card and put in  
> a 16MB PCI card that looks like it is from a Blue & White G3.
>
> Does anyone have a spare graphics either one like the one that  
> should be in it (an ATI Rage Pro 128 AGP version) or a PCI card  
> with more than 16MB video.
>
> I have been looking at the NVidia GeForce2MX 32MB (AGP) and the ATI  
> Radeon 7000 (PCI).
>
> It has to have a VGA connection.

I have a bunch of AGP PC graphics cards which you are welcome to one  
of if they would be of any use?

I'll find out details of what they are later.

-- 
David Reynolds
david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk



From david.tillyer at googlemail.com  Fri Oct 17 11:27:48 2008
From: david.tillyer at googlemail.com (David Tillyer)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:27:48 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Macbook Pro - Open to reasonable offers
Message-ID: <f8880ecc0810170327o11b4956euda38415aac29e1ae@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I still have my 15.4" Macbook Pro, 2.16Ghz Core 2 Duo, 2GB RAM, 120GB Hard
Drive, The rest you know.

Extras: 2 Spek Hard Cases, MacSkin, Keyboard & Mouse

Open to Reasonable Offers

David

-- 
David Tillyer Photography

http://www.davidthephotographer.co.uk

http://davidthephotographer.blogspot.com/


From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Fri Oct 17 12:46:15 2008
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (Stefan Youngs)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:46:15 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Broadband suppliers
Message-ID: <cfa1ffb00810170446j1fdb7712j19d3a4f85c5efc18@mail.gmail.com>

>I am considering changing supplier from BT, ?15.99 a month after 3
months. Virgin now available not from cable is ?12, had 1 good report
about them. Any other suppliers to recommend, please?


Some not to touch

Tiscali: absolutely useless 'customer service' they don't know their arse
from their ADB and 'don't support Mac'. I am still trying to deal with their
dunning me for an invoice they already refunded with a cheque. I've just
sent them an invoice for ?200 for the time I've wasted dealing with them..
I'll be dunning them shortly

Virgin: ruthless application of traffic shaping and throttling if you do any
significant torrent downloading.. great customer service until it comes to
the actual product you are buying. If you do any torrent work, your browsing
will IMMEDIATELY go into the toilet and will stay there for hours

Both of these outfits (and BT too) are in cahoots with Phorm, a mechanism to
spy on your usage and feed 'relevant' ads to you. Phorm is under
investigation by the EU. I won;t do business with any ISP that does not
implement a specific OPT IN for any service I do not contract for. Currently
you have to OPT OUT not to get the full 'benefit' of Phorm spying on you
(that was true the last time I looked)

BEST

https://www.bethere.co.uk/

If you can get them on your exchange, go for them. Uncapped and unthrottled

adsl24.com

uncapped and unthrottled, great customer service  but not the cheapest
?20/month

O2 has a killer offer for O2 mobile users BUT not all exchanges support it,
otherwise they wholesale from BT and basically offer the same service at a
small discount, but so far as I know, no throttling and no Phorm

AND KEEP BITCHING AND MOANING TO THE ISPS.. IN JAPAN THEY HAVE 100Mbit
service for $40 a month everywhere...that's what we want!

-- 
Stefan Youngs
Tel: +1 (415) 449 1771
FAX: +1 586 461 0608
skype me at stefanyoungs


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Oct 17 13:01:25 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 17 Oct 2008 13:01:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Broadband suppliers
In-Reply-To: <cfa1ffb00810170446j1fdb7712j19d3a4f85c5efc18@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cfa1ffb00810170446j1fdb7712j19d3a4f85c5efc18@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810171301250.12677@pwebm1.global.net.uk>

Stefan.

That is all well and good in large cities, but try getting a good deal in a 
small town. I recently moved to Watton and the hassle I had getting a good 
deal was horrendous.

I looked at just about every major provider.

O2, AOL and BT offer a cheap broadband - but not in my area, over ?20 for a 
poor slow service. Virgin could do it for ?18.

AOL also wanted a 24 month contract if I wanted the free wireless kit.

Sky offer a cheap broadband - but not useable in my area in the 3 for ?16 
offer, have to pay ?19 just for broadband.

Tiscali, while offering no Mac support offered the cheapest and fastest 
broadband. Upto 8MB at which I am getting 6MB and its very stable. ?6 for 
the first 3 months, ?11 a month after that and a free wireless router.

Funny as O2, AOL and BT wouldn't offer me anything higher than 2MB as my 
exchange didn't support it.

So Tiscali came up good and I have been pleased with their performance.

I haven't noticed any difference in speeds at peak times and so what if 
they report my web habits. While it is wrong and I disagree with it, I have 
bigger things to worry about.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, 
hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple 
Mac.


On Oct 17 2008, Stefan Youngs wrote:

>I am considering changing supplier from BT, ?15.99 a month after 3
months. Virgin now available not from cable is ?12, had 1 good report
about them. Any other suppliers to recommend, please?


Some not to touch

Tiscali: absolutely useless 'customer service' they don't know their arse
from their ADB and 'don't support Mac'. I am still trying to deal with their
dunning me for an invoice they already refunded with a cheque. I've just
sent them an invoice for ?200 for the time I've wasted dealing with them..
I'll be dunning them shortly

Virgin: ruthless application of traffic shaping and throttling if you do any
significant torrent downloading.. great customer service until it comes to
the actual product you are buying. If you do any torrent work, your browsing
will IMMEDIATELY go into the toilet and will stay there for hours

Both of these outfits (and BT too) are in cahoots with Phorm, a mechanism to
spy on your usage and feed 'relevant' ads to you. Phorm is under
investigation by the EU. I won;t do business with any ISP that does not
implement a specific OPT IN for any service I do not contract for. Currently
you have to OPT OUT not to get the full 'benefit' of Phorm spying on you
(that was true the last time I looked)

BEST

https://www.bethere.co.uk/

If you can get them on your exchange, go for them. Uncapped and unthrottled

adsl24.com

uncapped and unthrottled, great customer service  but not the cheapest
?20/month

O2 has a killer offer for O2 mobile users BUT not all exchanges support it,
otherwise they wholesale from BT and basically offer the same service at a
small discount, but so far as I know, no throttling and no Phorm

AND KEEP BITCHING AND MOANING TO THE ISPS.. IN JAPAN THEY HAVE 100Mbit
service for $40 a month everywhere...that's what we want!





From lizbarnard at btinternet.com  Fri Oct 17 23:03:49 2008
From: lizbarnard at btinternet.com (Liz)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 23:03:49 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Broadband
Message-ID: <C51ECA55.6869%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>

I met a man on the train to London this am with a Vodaphone dongle.  He uses
it both inside and outside his home for ?15 per month.  Says it works
particularly well in East Anglia. Not much cheaper than BT but far more
versatile.

Liz B


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Oct 17 23:11:45 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 17 Oct 2008 23:11:45 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Broadband
In-Reply-To: <C51ECA55.6869%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>
References: <C51ECA55.6869%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810172311450.17480@webm6.global.net.uk>

Liz

3 also do these, but I think they have low download limits, like 1GB.

Simon

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hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple 
Mac.


On Oct 17 2008, Liz wrote:

I met a man on the train to London this am with a Vodaphone dongle.  He uses
it both inside and outside his home for ?15 per month.  Says it works
particularly well in East Anglia. Not much cheaper than BT but far more
versatile.

Liz B
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From lizbarnard at btinternet.com  Fri Oct 17 23:12:07 2008
From: lizbarnard at btinternet.com (Liz)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 23:12:07 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Faulty case for PowerBook G4
Message-ID: <C51ECC47.686B%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>

I?ve got a buckled keyboard, a faulty eject mechanism on the memory card
holder and a catch that won?t keep the lid shut.  Can anyone recommend a
local outfit that could mend these things for me?  I?ve tried Systems
Solutions and they say I need a new case and Joe Butler appears to have
moved to Ipswich.  

Any suggestions?

Also, having installed iLife ?08 I cannot print any of my stored images in
iPhoto. The print options (themes) window does not appear when you press the
?print? icon.  Does anyone know how to put this right?

Liz B






From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Oct 17 23:18:40 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 17 Oct 2008 23:18:40 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Faulty case for PowerBook G4
In-Reply-To: <C51ECC47.686B%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>
References: <C51ECC47.686B%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810172318400.17480@webm6.global.net.uk>

Liz

Joe has not moved to Ipswich. Indeed he may be able to help.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, 
hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple 
Mac.


On Oct 17 2008, Liz wrote:

I?ve got a buckled keyboard, a faulty eject mechanism on the memory card
holder and a catch that won?t keep the lid shut.  Can anyone recommend a
local outfit that could mend these things for me?  I?ve tried Systems
Solutions and they say I need a new case and Joe Butler appears to have
moved to Ipswich.  

Any suggestions?

Also, having installed iLife ?08 I cannot print any of my stored images in
iPhoto. The print options (themes) window does not appear when you press the
?print? icon.  Does anyone know how to put this right?

Liz B




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From footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Oct 18 10:46:12 2008
From: footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk (joe butler)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 09:46:12 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NMUG] Wanted - Mac and PC laptops - Working or not
Message-ID: <495720.30560.qm@web26707.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi All

Im looking to buy ( or be given!!) all mac and PC laptops working or not working.

Macs to be no less than G3 ibooks, Windows laptops P3 and above

Thanks

Joe


Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com 

From lizbarnard at btinternet.com  Sat Oct 18 18:22:19 2008
From: lizbarnard at btinternet.com (Liz)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 18:22:19 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Broadband
Message-ID: <C51FD9DB.687D%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>

Simon, a friend has a 3 dongle.  It only works well at 5am in the local
launderette!  Clearly designed for insomniacs!

Liz


From lizbarnard at btinternet.com  Sat Oct 18 18:24:11 2008
From: lizbarnard at btinternet.com (Liz)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 18:24:11 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Faulty case for PowerBook G4
Message-ID: <C51FDA4B.687E%lizbarnard@btinternet.com>

Jo hasn?t any spare parts for 17?, only for 12? and 15? machines.  So, still
looking for help!

Liz


From ian at igdesign.co.uk  Sun Oct 19 11:42:55 2008
From: ian at igdesign.co.uk (Ian Garrett)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 11:42:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Blu-ray for data archiving?
Message-ID: <E0BC4163-1B91-4B97-9B82-A83ED8DD6125@igdesign.co.uk>

Hi All,

Does anyone have experience using Blu-ray  burners and disks for data  
storage? I know there have been problems reported using Blu-ray for  
playing movies and with PS3s, but I'm interested in data archiving.

Is Toast (say v9) all the software needed to burn a Blu-ray disk on a  
Mac?

Where is the best place to get blank Blu-ray disks?

Regards,
Ian


From karl.hortt at btinternet.com  Sun Oct 19 18:33:47 2008
From: karl.hortt at btinternet.com (Karl Hortt)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 18:33:47 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Emac's for sale
Message-ID: <78C860A4-226C-43A2-BEA2-E974E9AB41BD@btinternet.com>



Hi All,

I have 12 Emac's coming in the next couple of days


they are:-


12 x emac 17" crt, 1.42, 1024, 80gb, cdr

running Leopard


?75


anyone interested ?


regards

Karl

From peter.hunter1 at sky.com  Sun Oct 19 19:24:41 2008
From: peter.hunter1 at sky.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:24:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Making a DVD
Message-ID: <C5A8A19D-5E0B-4F8A-B3F4-C7A939D5AE1B@sky.com>

Hi All you NMUG experts.

I'm really hoping someone out there can help me.

I have taken on a project for a sign language charity that I belong to.

They gave me a VHS tape with 38 short (3 -5 min) film clips of songs  
being signed. They want it on DVD but as separate clips with a menu,  
so that individual songs can be selected at will.

I have copied it to DVD and then 'ripped' it to the Mac using  
Cinematize. I now have 38 Quick Time .mov files.

All I need to do now is to get these onto a DVD that can be played on  
a standard home DVD player.

I have tried this using iDVD (Magic DVD) and all seemed to go well.  
But when I tried playing the DVD back (in the Mac, in a home DVD  
player and in a home DVD recorder) the disc isn't recognised and it  
won't play. Anyone know why?

Is there a better piece of software out there for doing this job?

Any help or advice would be very much appreciated.

Regards

Peter



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Oct 19 19:54:47 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 19 Oct 2008 19:54:47 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Making a DVD
In-Reply-To: <C5A8A19D-5E0B-4F8A-B3F4-C7A939D5AE1B@sky.com>
References: <C5A8A19D-5E0B-4F8A-B3F4-C7A939D5AE1B@sky.com>
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810191954470.2566@webm6.global.net.uk>

Peter

Toast is great for building DVDs with menus. I have used it.

Toast 7 has simple templates for adding a menu, Toast 8 takes it a little 
further and allows you to customise the main menu more, with your own 
background.

Both will allow you do dump clips in and then access them via a menu.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, 
hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple 
Mac.


On Oct 19 2008, Peter Hunter wrote:

Hi All you NMUG experts.

I'm really hoping someone out there can help me.

I have taken on a project for a sign language charity that I belong to.

They gave me a VHS tape with 38 short (3 -5 min) film clips of songs  
being signed. They want it on DVD but as separate clips with a menu,  
so that individual songs can be selected at will.

I have copied it to DVD and then 'ripped' it to the Mac using  
Cinematize. I now have 38 Quick Time .mov files.

All I need to do now is to get these onto a DVD that can be played on  
a standard home DVD player.

I have tried this using iDVD (Magic DVD) and all seemed to go well.  
But when I tried playing the DVD back (in the Mac, in a home DVD  
player and in a home DVD recorder) the disc isn't recognised and it  
won't play. Anyone know why?

Is there a better piece of software out there for doing this job?

Any help or advice would be very much appreciated.

Regards

Peter

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From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Sun Oct 19 19:54:34 2008
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:54:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Contact sheets
Message-ID: <3f12f478d86331d61cdc449403738eeb@virgin.net>

Do any photoshop users out there know of a way around the numbering 
system on P/shop.

I'm trying to make a set of contact sheets of 100 images.

Instead of contact sheet No 1  having the  images no 1 to 12, it prints 
1,10,11,100,101,2,20 etc

The same happens when I upload the images to my website.

When trying to do wedding stuff it drives me barmy!!

Any Ideas please?

martin
www.martinfryphotography.com

From david at vanedwards.co.uk  Sun Oct 19 20:38:25 2008
From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 20:38:25 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Contact sheets
In-Reply-To: <3f12f478d86331d61cdc449403738eeb@virgin.net>
References: <3f12f478d86331d61cdc449403738eeb@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <p06240802c5213ce65f32@[192.168.1.100]>

Dear Martin,

Try numbering using 001 002 003 etc That often gets round problems like this.

Best wishes,

David


At 19:54 +0100 19/10/08, Martin Fry wrote:
>Do any photoshop users out there know of a way around the numbering 
>system on P/shop.
>
>I'm trying to make a set of contact sheets of 100 images.
>
>Instead of contact sheet No 1  having the  images no 1 to 12, it 
>prints 1,10,11,100,101,2,20 etc
>
>The same happens when I upload the images to my website.
>
>When trying to do wedding stuff it drives me barmy!!
>
>Any Ideas please?
>
>martin
>www.martinfryphotography.com
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6 Whitwell Road,
Norwich,  NR1 4HB      
England.

Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899
Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sun Oct 19 22:54:28 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:54:28 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Emac's for sale
In-Reply-To: <78C860A4-226C-43A2-BEA2-E974E9AB41BD@btinternet.com>
References: <78C860A4-226C-43A2-BEA2-E974E9AB41BD@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <C7F2B02C-3EC6-422B-A1D6-6E87CF44A551@durrant.co.uk>

Nice machines. Those were the last model of eMac, discontinued just  
three years ago. Built-in 17" CRT displays up to 1280x960. There's a  
video out port that does mirroring, but add the display spanning  
doctor and you can use a second screen. Has USB 2.0, and 2 firewire  
400 ports. The Ethernet is only 10/100Base-T, not Gigabit ethernet.

If only I needed another machine!

Paul


On 19 Oct 2008, at 18:33, Karl Hortt wrote:
>
> I have 12 Emac's coming in the next couple of days
> they are:-
>
> 12 x emac 17" crt, 1.42, 1024, 80gb, cdr
> running Leopard
>
> ?75



From band1 at mac.com  Sun Oct 19 23:16:04 2008
From: band1 at mac.com (David King)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 23:16:04 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Making a DVD
In-Reply-To: <C5A8A19D-5E0B-4F8A-B3F4-C7A939D5AE1B@sky.com>
References: <C5A8A19D-5E0B-4F8A-B3F4-C7A939D5AE1B@sky.com>
Message-ID: <52051F98-2C01-4262-B795-E8B7EA2A0D5B@mac.com>

I make DVD's using iDVD and find the best way is, once the project is  
ready to go to a DVD, 'Save as a Disc Image' and then using Disk  
utility burn it to the DVD.  In fact this is what iDVD help tells you  
to do.  The DVD that results then just starts up automatically when  
put in the DVD player.

David


On 19 Oct 2008, at 19:24, Peter Hunter wrote:

> Hi All you NMUG experts.
>
> I'm really hoping someone out there can help me.
>
> I have taken on a project for a sign language charity that I belong  
> to.
>
> They gave me a VHS tape with 38 short (3 -5 min) film clips of songs  
> being signed. They want it on DVD but as separate clips with a menu,  
> so that individual songs can be selected at will.
>
> I have copied it to DVD and then 'ripped' it to the Mac using  
> Cinematize. I now have 38 Quick Time .mov files.
>
> All I need to do now is to get these onto a DVD that can be played  
> on a standard home DVD player.
>
> I have tried this using iDVD (Magic DVD) and all seemed to go well.  
> But when I tried playing the DVD back (in the Mac, in a home DVD  
> player and in a home DVD recorder) the disc isn't recognised and it  
> won't play. Anyone know why?
>
> Is there a better piece of software out there for doing this job?
>
> Any help or advice would be very much appreciated.
>
> Regards
>
> Peter
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Oct 20 09:55:15 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 20 Oct 2008 09:55:15 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] AGP vs PCI On Sawtooth
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810200955150.12895@webm10.global.net.uk>

Hi

I have been thinking. This is only a 400Mhz Sawtooth, nothing mind blowing, 
how much of a difference would a new graphics card actually make.

It has a 16MB PCI ATI Rage 128 Pro card at present. I have been looking at 
a 16MB AGP ATI Rage Pro card (one that originally should be in it) and a 
32MB PCI ATI Radeon 7000.

Is AGP that much faster than PCI? I have been Googling the question and it 
seems not.

I have both Tiger and Leopard installed on the Sawtooth and the only 
advantage of having a massive graphics card would be for Core Image and 
Quartz Extreme in Leopard. However, I use Tiger the most and this is very 
spritely as it is.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, 
hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple 
Mac.




From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Mon Oct 20 10:31:26 2008
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:31:26 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] October Meeting
Message-ID: <6D7294A6-00E3-461E-9395-5047EE76FF50@virgin.net>

The next meeting is on Wednesday 22nd October 2008 that being the  
fourth Wednesday of the month and should be held at:

The Bakers Arms,  66 St Leonards Rd, Norwich,  NR1 4JF

The time will be 7.30 as usual and here is a map to help you.

<http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=624274&y=308986&z=0&ar=Y>

See you there


Paul C



From munkt0n at gmail.com  Mon Oct 20 11:01:45 2008
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:01:45 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] AGP vs PCI On Sawtooth
In-Reply-To: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810200955150.12895@webm10.global.net.uk>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810200955150.12895@webm10.global.net.uk>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0810200301x6cc2cdf3t71df2b935281fa89@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:

>
> Is AGP that much faster than PCI? I have been Googling the question and it
> seems not


yes, memory throughput on AGP 4x would be 8 times faster than PCI


From ian at igdesign.co.uk  Mon Oct 20 12:08:55 2008
From: ian at igdesign.co.uk (Ian Garrett)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:08:55 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Problem with messages to group?
Message-ID: <5D0BB1BE-3A61-4159-9B61-C976F1685ACC@igdesign.co.uk>

Dear All,

If you get this message, would you be kind enough to send me a reply?  
With the last couple of messages I've sent to the group, I've received  
the c.c. copy as set up in Mail, but not a copy via the group. So I  
think something may be amiss.

Regards,
Ian


From robbiemurray at f2s.com  Mon Oct 20 12:25:54 2008
From: robbiemurray at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:25:54 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Problem with messages to group?
In-Reply-To: <5D0BB1BE-3A61-4159-9B61-C976F1685ACC@igdesign.co.uk>
References: <5D0BB1BE-3A61-4159-9B61-C976F1685ACC@igdesign.co.uk>
Message-ID: <A2E42C60-B52D-4AB3-B5AF-FB44124966CB@f2s.com>

Hello Ian

Received loud and clear.

Remember, however, that following complaints regarding 'top posting',  
the procedure changed and by default, replies to group postings now go  
to the original poster, and not to the group.  Did you mail the group  
with a new topic, or simply reply to a post?


Robbie


On 20 Oct 2008, at 12:08, Ian Garrett wrote:

Dear All,

If you get this message, would you be kind enough to send me a reply?  
With the last couple of messages I've sent to the group, I've received  
the c.c. copy as set up in Mail, but not a copy via the group. So I  
think something may be amiss.

Regards,
Ian
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01603-516175
07882-007667




From ian at igdesign.co.uk  Mon Oct 20 12:35:34 2008
From: ian at igdesign.co.uk (Ian Garrett)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:35:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Problem with messages to group?
In-Reply-To: <2E6E08F2-3CEB-4654-BF8F-0AB5682C34F7@gotadsl.co.uk>
References: <5D0BB1BE-3A61-4159-9B61-C976F1685ACC@igdesign.co.uk>
	<2E6E08F2-3CEB-4654-BF8F-0AB5682C34F7@gotadsl.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1BBE93C7-39F2-4629-8C1D-C54C2DC0EF6C@igdesign.co.uk>

Thank you all! I seem to be on this planet still after all!

Paul D: I looked at the Archive, and my messages were there. So I take  
it I'm not getting copies from the group because I've got Mail set up  
to send me c.c.s by default. That seems clear now.

So... no-one using Blu-ray for data archiving, then?

Regards,
Ian


On 20 Oct , at Wed Sept 17 12:20, Valerie Mercer wrote:

> Message received on mailing list
>
> On 20 Oct 2008, at 12:08, Ian Garrett wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> If you get this message, would you be kind enough to send me a  
> reply? With the last couple of messages I've sent to the group, I've  
> received the c.c. copy as set up in Mail, but not a copy via the  
> group. So I think something may be amiss.
>
> Regards,
> Ian
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Oct 20 12:45:27 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:45:27 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Blu-ray for data archiving?
In-Reply-To: <1BBE93C7-39F2-4629-8C1D-C54C2DC0EF6C@igdesign.co.uk>
References: <5D0BB1BE-3A61-4159-9B61-C976F1685ACC@igdesign.co.uk>
	<2E6E08F2-3CEB-4654-BF8F-0AB5682C34F7@gotadsl.co.uk>
	<1BBE93C7-39F2-4629-8C1D-C54C2DC0EF6C@igdesign.co.uk>
Message-ID: <F3A5F94A-2E29-464D-9BF0-CA83D20B05EF@durrant.co.uk>

Not at present. Certainly the price of the writers has dropped  
considerably, but the disks are still very expensive. SVP's best price  
is ?34.49 for five 25GB disks, which works out to 27.5p/GB of storage.  
16x DVD-R are currently less than 2.75p/GB - less than 1/10 the price.

The convenience of 1 Blu-Ray disk instead of six DVDs is worth  
something, but not that much for most people. Unless you're backing up  
files that are bigger than will fit on a DVD-R, of course.

My main backup system at the moment is to SDLT tapes with Retrospect.  
And it runs in the background, so I don't actually have to do  
anything, expect swap the tapes around every month or so, and check  
that things are backing up correctly every week or so.

regards,

Paul



On 20 Oct 2008, at 12:35, Ian Garrett wrote:

> Thank you all! I seem to be on this planet still after all!
>
> Paul D: I looked at the Archive, and my messages were there. So I  
> take it I'm not getting copies from the group because I've got Mail  
> set up to send me c.c.s by default. That seems clear now.
>
> So... no-one using Blu-ray for data archiving, then?
>
> Regards,
> Ian
>
>
> On 20 Oct , at Wed Sept 17 12:20, Valerie Mercer wrote:
>
>> Message received on mailing list
>>
>> On 20 Oct 2008, at 12:08, Ian Garrett wrote:
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> If you get this message, would you be kind enough to send me a  
>> reply? With the last couple of messages I've sent to the group,  
>> I've received the c.c. copy as set up in Mail, but not a copy via  
>> the group. So I think something may be amiss.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Ian
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>



From postmaster at bobartless.plus.com  Tue Oct 21 16:35:23 2008
From: postmaster at bobartless.plus.com (Clive R.Artless)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:35:23 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Raw images
Message-ID: <bcd5feb1565543a0d4247d9ce9c7155b@bobartless.plus.com>

I wonder if anyone can help. I have an iMac G5 OSX version 10.3.9. I 
have used a Canon 300D for the past two years and downloaded photos in 
both RGB and RAW with no problems. I recently bought the Canon 400D 
which I set on RGB format. Last week we went up to Yorkshire for a few 
days and I took 109 photos in RAW format.  On returning I loaded the 
flash card through my SanDisk multi reader as usual, it seem to go 
through the normal downloading procedure except there was no blue bar. 
When the downloaded finished the following message came up:
Unreadable Files 109
The following files could not be imported (they may be an unrecognised 
file type or the files may not contain valid data.
/private/tmp/501/Temporary items/iphoto/IMG_0275.CR2.
If I take shots in RGB they download no problem. I would appreciate any 
help with this problem - Thanks Bob



From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk  Tue Oct 21 16:52:27 2008
From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:52:27 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Print Explosion DeLuxe
Message-ID: <155F9D84-0C62-4A06-B222-EC76BDB5B385@mendelsohn.me.uk>

Hi

We have been having a clear out and would like to be rid of the above  
bit of software which we have never used. There are 2 installation  
CD's and a huge user manual.

If anyone would like to make us some sort of offer, contact us off line.

Phyll and Ed


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue Oct 21 16:56:45 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:56:45 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Raw images
In-Reply-To: <bcd5feb1565543a0d4247d9ce9c7155b@bobartless.plus.com>
References: <bcd5feb1565543a0d4247d9ce9c7155b@bobartless.plus.com>
Message-ID: <2172BFBF-0F86-4C67-8173-1E00D4A7D762@durrant.co.uk>

The RAW format isn't really a file format as such - it really is the  
raw data from the camera's sensor stored in a file. So it's different  
for every camer, even from the same manufacturer.

You'll need to install software that understands the RAW format for  
your Canon 400D. You probably got some Canon software on a CD with the  
camera. Alternatively, it's possible that the lastest iPhoto from  
Apple understands it (I haven't checked), or Adobe might have something.

regards,
Paul

On 21 Oct 2008, at 16:35, Clive R.Artless wrote:

> I wonder if anyone can help. I have an iMac G5 OSX version 10.3.9. I  
> have used a Canon 300D for the past two years and downloaded photos  
> in both RGB and RAW with no problems. I recently bought the Canon  
> 400D which I set on RGB format. Last week we went up to Yorkshire  
> for a few days and I took 109 photos in RAW format.  On returning I  
> loaded the flash card through my SanDisk multi reader as usual, it  
> seem to go through the normal downloading procedure except there was  
> no blue bar. When the downloaded finished the following message came  
> up:
> Unreadable Files 109
> The following files could not be imported (they may be an  
> unrecognised file type or the files may not contain valid data.
> /private/tmp/501/Temporary items/iphoto/IMG_0275.CR2.
> If I take shots in RGB they download no problem. I would appreciate  
> any help with this problem - Thanks Bob
>
> _


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Oct 21 21:13:08 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 21:13:08 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Hard Drive Spin Down Annoying
Message-ID: <pp3mpLbdxrb5.kHPRJlVs@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

I have 3 hard drives in my PowerMac G4. I have been into the Energy Saver function and switched off putting the hard drives to sleep.

However, my 120GB which is slave to my boot drive always sleeps. Then when you go to access it, you hear it wake up and there is a delay in accessing it.

I had this drive in an external case on another machine and it used to do this before.

Is this something inbuilt into the drive or am I missing something.

Simon

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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue Oct 21 22:04:13 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 22:04:13 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Hard Drive Spin Down Annoying
In-Reply-To: <pp3mpLbdxrb5.kHPRJlVs@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <pp3mpLbdxrb5.kHPRJlVs@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <D351A1CD-B451-4B5E-B9AA-FB3FC6F6DF53@durrant.co.uk>

That does sound like it's the disk itself. You could look up that  
exact disk on-line to find a data sheet and see if there's some jumper  
setting on the drive that sets it to spin down when possible.

Paul

On 21 Oct 2008, at 21:13, Simon Royal wrote:

>
> I have 3 hard drives in my PowerMac G4. I have been into the Energy  
> Saver function and switched off putting the hard drives to sleep.
>
> However, my 120GB which is slave to my boot drive always sleeps.  
> Then when you go to access it, you hear it wake up and there is a  
> delay in accessing it.
>
> I had this drive in an external case on another machine and it used  
> to do this before.
>
> Is this something inbuilt into the drive or am I missing something.
>


From david at vanedwards.co.uk  Tue Oct 21 20:49:16 2008
From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:49:16 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Expressions Media Pro
Message-ID: <p06240811c523e004ae08@[192.168.1.101]>

Has anyone any experience of using this image database or cataloguing system?

Good? Bad?

I'm thinking of using it to catalogue the thousands of images in the 
Lute Society picture collection so I need a lot of searchable fields 
associated with each image. They won't be the usual photography 
fields of exposure, camera, shutter speed etc so they need to be 
customisable to the peculiar nature of lute types, artist, museum 
etc. etc. As well as producing thumbnails for browsing.

Does Expressions Media do this easily and does it deal with thousands 
of images without slowing to a crawl?

I know it has an associated free reader so I can have many users but 
only buy one lisence. So it seems like the best choice so far, but 
I'd welcome any feedback or indeed any other suggestions.

For normal databases I use Filemaker which is wonderful for all the 
extra fields but doesn't easily deal with producing thumbnails. Also 
its pricing structure is very expensive for multiple people 
consulting the resulting collection.

Best wishes,

David
-- 
The Smokehouse,
6 Whitwell Road,
Norwich,  NR1 4HB
England.

Telephone: + 44 (0)1603 629899
Website: http://www.vanedwards.co.uk




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Oct 22 09:28:00 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 22 Oct 2008 09:28:00 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Apple & Psystar Come To A Settlement!
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810220928001.32351@webm10.global.net.uk>

Hi

I thought this was a bit odd. Apple and Psystar come to a settlement.

It seems Apple aren't going to bury the clone makers like everyone thought, 
more of a slap on the wrist and stop building your clones.

http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/10/19/1511231&from=rss

What gives.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, 
hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple 
Mac.




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Oct 22 10:16:03 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 22 Oct 2008 10:16:03 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Apple & Psystar Come To A Settlement!
In-Reply-To: <9D04AF9E-563C-4EE0-B1A7-7BD1E759E554@durrant.co.uk>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810220928001.32351@webm10.global.net.uk>
	<9D04AF9E-563C-4EE0-B1A7-7BD1E759E554@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810221016030.7576@webm10.global.net.uk>

Paul

The sheer fact that Apple are agreeing to a quietly settle this rather than 
a public massacre of Psystar has a lot to say for it.

Psystar are in the wrong. Apple could flatten them. But they aren't (at 
least not straight away at the moment), why not?

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, 
hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple 
Mac.


On Oct 22 2008, Paul Durrant wrote:

Apple and Pystar have NOT come to a settlement.

What they have done is both agree to first try to come to a negotiated  
agreement - essentially non-binding arbitration. This might have been  
urged on them by a judge, or Apple might have wanted it, or Pystar -  
we just don't know.

There's no guarantee that they will reach an agreement, in which case  
it could still go to court.

Paul

On 22 Oct 2008, at 09:28, Simon Royal wrote:

> I thought this was a bit odd. Apple and Psystar come to a settlement.
>
> It seems Apple aren't going to bury the clone makers like everyone  
> thought, more of a slap on the wrist and stop building your clones.
>
> http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/10/19/1511231&from=rss
>
> What gives.





From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed Oct 22 11:19:34 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:19:34 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Apple & Psystar Come To A Settlement!
In-Reply-To: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810221016030.7576@webm10.global.net.uk>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810220928001.32351@webm10.global.net.uk>
	<9D04AF9E-563C-4EE0-B1A7-7BD1E759E554@durrant.co.uk>
	<BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810221016030.7576@webm10.global.net.uk>
Message-ID: <51EBC1BD-76EB-4A93-B6D0-425C5C4101D5@durrant.co.uk>

No idea. It could be anything, even pressure from the judge in charge  
of the case. Or, they don't want to risk a court case going against  
them. We might find out eventually.

Paul

On 22 Oct 2008, at 10:16, Simon Royal wrote:

> Paul
>
> The sheer fact that Apple are agreeing to a quietly settle this  
> rather than a public massacre of Psystar has a lot to say for it.
>
> Psystar are in the wrong. Apple could flatten them. But they aren't  
> (at least not straight away at the moment), why not?
>
> Simon
>
> --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides,  
> upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for  
> Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better,  
> so I bought an Apple Mac.
>
>
> On Oct 22 2008, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
> Apple and Pystar have NOT come to a settlement.
>
> What they have done is both agree to first try to come to a  
> negotiated  agreement - essentially non-binding arbitration. This  
> might have been  urged on them by a judge, or Apple might have  
> wanted it, or Pystar -  we just don't know.
>
> There's no guarantee that they will reach an agreement, in which  
> case  it could still go to court.
>
> Paul
>
> On 22 Oct 2008, at 09:28, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> I thought this was a bit odd. Apple and Psystar come to a settlement.
>>
>> It seems Apple aren't going to bury the clone makers like everyone   
>> thought, more of a slap on the wrist and stop building your clones.
>>
>> http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/10/19/1511231&from=rss
>>
>> What gives.
>
>
>
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> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed Oct 22 11:22:10 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 11:22:10 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Dial-up modem (USB) needed
Message-ID: <FB19C091-2983-44BC-859C-FDEFC0D8DD44@durrant.co.uk>

Anthony Brahams is currently without broadband - five power cuts over  
the past few days seem to have knocked it out.

Does anyone have a USB dial-up (not ADSL) modem he could borrow until  
his broadband gets restored? If so, could you bring it along to the  
meeting tonight?

My last modem went quite a while ago, and I think was a RS-232C serial  
port model anyway.

Paul


From djr.massy at ntlworld.com  Wed Oct 22 12:55:46 2008
From: djr.massy at ntlworld.com (DJR Massy)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:55:46 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Raw images
In-Reply-To: <20081022110003.1FF4A7C4D72@mail.durrant.co.uk>
References: <20081022110003.1FF4A7C4D72@mail.durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CB535898-D702-4738-AFA0-22438794EF85@ntlworld.com>

Hi Clive,

Just a few comments.

Paul is quite right about the Canon software.  You will definitely  
need this to read the RAW files.

Just in case the card reader is part of the problem, you could  
download directly from the camera.  I do this anyway, because I once  
had problems with a card reader (not with RAW files).  As you'll  
know, it takes a bit longer than downloading through a card reader,  
and you want to make sure the camera battery has enough charge, but  
otherwise a direct download is fine, and it saves wear on the  
delicate Flash Card connections.

Regarding iPhoto, I just tried opening a Canon RAW file (.CR2) in  
iPhoto, which worked.  Actually I don't like iPhoto, so seldom use it.

Jim.
=============================================
On 22 Oct 2008, at 12:00, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:

> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:56:45 +0100
> From: Paul Durrant <paul at durrant.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Raw images
> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Message-ID: <2172BFBF-0F86-4C67-8173-1E00D4A7D762 at durrant.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> The RAW format isn't really a file format as such - it really is the
> raw data from the camera's sensor stored in a file. So it's different
> for every camer, even from the same manufacturer.
>
> You'll need to install software that understands the RAW format for
> your Canon 400D. You probably got some Canon software on a CD with the
> camera. Alternatively, it's possible that the lastest iPhoto from
> Apple understands it (I haven't checked), or Adobe might have  
> something.
>
> regards,
> Paul
>
> On 21 Oct 2008, at 16:35, Clive R.Artless wrote:
>
>> I wonder if anyone can help. I have an iMac G5 OSX version 10.3.9. I
>> have used a Canon 300D for the past two years and downloaded photos
>> in both RGB and RAW with no problems. I recently bought the Canon
>> 400D which I set on RGB format. Last week we went up to Yorkshire
>> for a few days and I took 109 photos in RAW format.  On returning I
>> loaded the flash card through my SanDisk multi reader as usual, it
>> seem to go through the normal downloading procedure except there was
>> no blue bar. When the downloaded finished the following message came
>> up:
>> Unreadable Files 109
>> The following files could not be imported (they may be an
>> unrecognised file type or the files may not contain valid data.
>> /private/tmp/501/Temporary items/iphoto/IMG_0275.CR2.
>> If I take shots in RGB they download no problem. I would appreciate
>> any help with this problem - Thanks Bob



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Thu Oct 23 08:57:15 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 08:57:15 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Dial-up modem (USB) needed
In-Reply-To: <FB19C091-2983-44BC-859C-FDEFC0D8DD44@durrant.co.uk>
References: <FB19C091-2983-44BC-859C-FDEFC0D8DD44@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <03595553-E8C1-49FD-9BF9-384DB5181844@durrant.co.uk>

Well, since no-one could bring one to the meeting, does anyone have a  
USB dial-up type modem (not broadband/adsl) that Anthony could borrow  
for a week or so? He can come and collect it if you do.

Anthony has read-only access to email at the moment, so if you have  
one, please email directly Anthony, his email address is:

anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk

Thanks,

Paul

On 22 Oct 2008, at 11:22, Paul Durrant wrote:

> Anthony Brahams is currently without broadband - five power cuts  
> over the past few days seem to have knocked it out.
>
> Does anyone have a USB dial-up (not ADSL) modem he could borrow  
> until his broadband gets restored? If so, could you bring it along  
> to the meeting tonight?
>
> My last modem went quite a while ago, and I think was a RS-232C  
> serial port model anyway.
>


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Oct 23 09:23:44 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 23 Oct 2008 09:23:44 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] eMac & Leopard
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810230923440.26941@webm6.global.net.uk>

Hi

Is anyone running Leopard on an eMac? I had a 1Ghz eMac when they first 
come out (my first brand new Mac) and it was fantastic, a great little work 
horse.

I am looking at getting another one, preferably a 1Ghz and above as this 
supports Leopard officially and I know the 1.25Ghz has USb 2 which would 
help.

I just wondered how Leopard held up on these lovely machines.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, 
hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple 
Mac.




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Oct 23 09:36:44 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:36:44 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Intel iMac Parts
Message-ID: <0mSyqx8mnWr2.XvV5qQ2R@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

I have given up thinking I can get my Intel iMac up and running again, so was thinking of stripping it and selling the parts.

Obviously I cannot be 100% sure the DC board is at fault or indeed the only faulty part so most parts will be sold as seen.

However, the screen and casing are mint condition and it has 2x1GB sticks of RAM in it.

If anyone is interested in anything let me know before I start eBaying it. I hope to get enough for at least a high end G4.

Simon

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From footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Oct 23 10:51:07 2008
From: footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk (joe butler)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:51:07 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NMUG] 12" Powerbook parts for sale
Message-ID: <423850.81273.qm@web26708.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>


Hello all 
?
I have loads of Powerbook parts up for grabs, they are all from 12" models.
I have logic boards, DVD drives, screens, cases etc.
If anyone is intrested let me know what your looking for and i will give you a price.
Cheers
Joe



      

From robbiemurray at f2s.com  Thu Oct 23 11:29:59 2008
From: robbiemurray at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:29:59 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Dial-up modem (USB) needed
In-Reply-To: <03595553-E8C1-49FD-9BF9-384DB5181844@durrant.co.uk>
References: <FB19C091-2983-44BC-859C-FDEFC0D8DD44@durrant.co.uk>
	<03595553-E8C1-49FD-9BF9-384DB5181844@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <0DB13136-F178-452B-BE3F-E96DBC3933D5@f2s.com>

Some where I have a  Pace 56k, but it's serial interface, and I doubt  
anyone has such a thing as a USB adaptor, which in any case I would  
expect would require software?

On 23 Oct 2008, at 08:57, Paul Durrant wrote:

Well, since no-one could bring one to the meeting, does anyone have a  
USB dial-up type modem (not broadband/adsl) that Anthony could borrow  
for a week or so? He can come and collect it if you do.

Anthony has read-only access to email at the moment, so if you have  
one, please email directly Anthony, his email address is:

anthonybrahams at themagic.me.uk

Thanks,

Paul

On 22 Oct 2008, at 11:22, Paul Durrant wrote:

> Anthony Brahams is currently without broadband - five power cuts  
> over the past few days seem to have knocked it out.
>
> Does anyone have a USB dial-up (not ADSL) modem he could borrow  
> until his broadband gets restored? If so, could you bring it along  
> to the meeting tonight?
>
> My last modem went quite a while ago, and I think was a RS-232C  
> serial port model anyway.
>
_______________________________________________
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robbiemurray at f2s.com
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01603-516175
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Oct 23 14:15:05 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:15:05 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Back In The Land Of Ghz
Message-ID: <Vs0wMdy0cWVS.cqxjJRsz@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Well after a few disasterous weeks of Macs, I am finally counting it Ghz instead of Mhz.

I have just ordered a 1.25Ghz eMac for me and my wife and two 800Mhz eMacs for our two boys.

The iMac G3 and PowerMac G4 will be laid to rest, but the G3 in me will live on with my Pismo.

Simon

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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Oct 23 14:17:50 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:17:50 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] DDR Question
Message-ID: <TSKlrsQNkcpM.WJMhrWFS@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

The eMac 1.25Ghz takes DDR 2700 RAM. 2x 1GB sticks will max it.

My question is will higher DDR like 3200 and 4200 fit? Is it like PC133/100 where it will fit just run at a slower speed. Or will it not work at all?

Simon

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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Oct 23 14:25:24 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:25:24 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] USB 2 & USB 1.1 Question
Message-ID: <WMvG9VYyy3c8.xh2Q2wyl@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

A quick question about mixing USB 2 and 1.1 devices.

My new eMac has 3x USB 2 ports. I'll have a USB 2 hub plugged in.

Plugging USB devices into a hub will slow the whole hub down to USB 1, but I you can mix the on the Mac itself.

You can have a USB 1 device plugged into port 1 and a USB 2 device plugged into port 2 or 3 and it will make no difference to speed.

Is it just a hub thing?

Simon

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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Oct 23 14:40:36 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:40:36 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Migrating From One Mac To Another
Message-ID: <pMbhTJ1QpP3j.Rgj3mq0W@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

I am new to the migrating idea. Recently I migrated from 10.5 from 10.4 with both being on seperate drives.

Now I have yet another new Mac coming and I want to install 10.5 on it and migrate my user account, files and settings from 10.4 on my iMac G3.

Firstly, how do I hook the two Macs up? Firewire or over network?

Secondly, when I migrated last time I did it after installation was complete and then had to delete the user created when installing.

This time I want to use the migration assistant when installing so I dont end up with two and at the end of the installing Leopard all my stuff is there as before.

Simon

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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Oct 23 16:00:51 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:00:51 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] The iPod Is 7 Years Old Today
Message-ID: <nRB4LmDsL1S2.QJySKhz6@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

The iPod is 7 Years old today (the day before my birthday... yes I am 29 tomorrow).

I am only on my second iPod. I had a first gen 5GB iPod and for the last 3 and a half years I have had a trusty 40GB iPod Photo that is still going strong.

So, what iPod models are we all using and are there any members who haven't jumped on the iPod wagon?

Interestingly do we use them more as portable audio players or data storage/bootable devices.

I use mine 80% for music, but I have the Tiger DVD restored to mine and reinstall using my iPod via firewire which is a lot quicker than from disc. Also being firewire it is the fastest way to back up or transfer large files to and from older Macs.

Simon

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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Oct 24 00:22:51 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:22:51 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Puck Mouse
Message-ID: <Mmdc0TS1Cc3Y.2BZYFjyC@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

I need to get hold of a Puck USB mouse by Monday.

My 3 year old is getting his own Mac and he finds a 2 button mouse confusing but managed fine with a Puck I had before.

Simon

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From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com  Fri Oct 24 08:47:45 2008
From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:47:45 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] AppleCare Protection
Message-ID: <110DF54A-C7A3-4745-A5B9-96BCF0D1852D@ruthmurray.f2s.com>

HI

I am looking to buy an AppleCare Protection Plan off eBay for my  
second hand MacBook which has a month to go before its year is up ?

but every plan I read on eBay states that you are supposed to be the  
original owner of the mac to be able to extend the warrantee.

I know we discussed this at the recent meeting, sorry. Any ideas?

Ruth



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Fri Oct 24 09:10:37 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:10:37 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] AppleCare Protection
In-Reply-To: <110DF54A-C7A3-4745-A5B9-96BCF0D1852D@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
References: <110DF54A-C7A3-4745-A5B9-96BCF0D1852D@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
Message-ID: <22153C5C-D98D-4FAD-85A1-91854410D8E0@durrant.co.uk>

Hi Ruth,

I've had a good look on the Apple site, and I couldn't find any  
information saying that you had to be the original owner. But I didn't  
find anything saying explicitly that you didn't have to be the  
original owner.

I have certainly registered AppleCare on second-hand Macs, but to be  
sure I phoned the AppleStore and asked explicitly whether, as the  
owner of a second-hand Mac, I could buy AppleCare for the product.  
After a minute on hold the answer came back - yes, I can.

I've taken a look at the eBay auctions, and the information there is  
just wrong. The computer must be less than a year old (checked by  
serial number), but you don't have to be the original purchaser.

regards

Paul

On 24 Oct 2008, at 08:47, Ruth Murray wrote:

> I am looking to buy an AppleCare Protection Plan off eBay for my  
> second hand MacBook which has a month to go before its year is up ?
>
> but every plan I read on eBay states that you are supposed to be the  
> original owner of the mac to be able to extend the warrantee.
>
> I know we discussed this at the recent meeting, sorry. Any ideas?



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Oct 24 09:13:20 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 24 Oct 2008 09:13:20 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] AppleCare Protection
In-Reply-To: <22153C5C-D98D-4FAD-85A1-91854410D8E0@durrant.co.uk>
References: <110DF54A-C7A3-4745-A5B9-96BCF0D1852D@ruthmurray.f2s.com>
	<22153C5C-D98D-4FAD-85A1-91854410D8E0@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0810240913200.12513@webm5.global.net.uk>

Hi

Damn. I was hoping to get AppleCare on my iMac G3.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, 
hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple 
Mac.


On Oct 24 2008, Paul Durrant wrote:

Hi Ruth,

I've had a good look on the Apple site, and I couldn't find any  
information saying that you had to be the original owner. But I didn't  
find anything saying explicitly that you didn't have to be the  
original owner.

I have certainly registered AppleCare on second-hand Macs, but to be  
sure I phoned the AppleStore and asked explicitly whether, as the  
owner of a second-hand Mac, I could buy AppleCare for the product.  
After a minute on hold the answer came back - yes, I can.

I've taken a look at the eBay auctions, and the information there is  
just wrong. The computer must be less than a year old (checked by  
serial number), but you don't have to be the original purchaser.

regards

Paul

On 24 Oct 2008, at 08:47, Ruth Murray wrote:

> I am looking to buy an AppleCare Protection Plan off eBay for my  
> second hand MacBook which has a month to go before its year is up ?
>
> but every plan I read on eBay states that you are supposed to be the  
> original owner of the mac to be able to extend the warrantee.
>
> I know we discussed this at the recent meeting, sorry. Any ideas?

_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
NMUG at durrant.co.uk
http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From eenow at tiscali.co.uk  Fri Oct 24 13:28:09 2008
From: eenow at tiscali.co.uk (eenow at tiscali.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:28:09 +0100 (GMT+01:00)
Subject: [NMUG] Fw: forgotten login - password emac OSX 10.3.8
Message-ID: <23449702.1224851289377.JavaMail.root@ps29>

Thanks to Robbie, Joe and David for replying to my problem -

I still have problem and am trying to remedy using fsck/mount -
uw/systemstarter route

in going this way I've been running fsck -fy. And  I seem to remember 
previous advice from an NMUG'r to keep doing this until the file system 
doesn't have to be repaired? 

I have been running fsck -fy since yesterday ie 30+ times and still 
'HD was repaired successfully' comes up.
Should I keep going or give up or what?

thanks
best wishes
Nigel

----Original Message----
From: eenow at tiscali.co.uk
Date: 14/10/2008 13:49 
To: <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Subj: forgotten login - password


I have just reclaimed my old eMac from the 'top of the wardrobe' - - 
old problems with disk drive and thus not being able / knowing how to 
upgrade put it there a while ago -

but I would like to look at/use some old stuff I know is on it, 
trouble is I seem to have forgotten my main login - I am 
'Administrator' - but I can get on to another of my accounts (which 
doesn't have admin rights)

can anyone help please?

thanks

Nigel




Free Games for all the family - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/play

________________________________________________





___________________________

Seasonal Bargains - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/events/christmas/bargain-corner/

___________________________



From robbiemurray at f2s.com  Fri Oct 24 14:46:41 2008
From: robbiemurray at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:46:41 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Fw: forgotten login - password emac OSX 10.3.8
In-Reply-To: <20081126.1224854953749.JavaMail.root@ps29>
References: <20081126.1224854953749.JavaMail.root@ps29>
Message-ID: <DEB8DB51-1ABB-45EF-A827-4160E0EAA6C3@f2s.com>

In that case, sound like it's ok - nothing broke, nothing to fix!

It may be that in 10.3.8 it was a different message - I'm now on  
10.5.5, and the one time I have used it, I didn't get the exact same  
message as I used to under 10.4, but then I used Apllejack, which was  
so much simpler, as it would just repeat until everything was fixed.




On 24 Oct 2008, at 14:29, eenow at tiscali.co.uk wrote:

Thanks Robbie

yes sorry I probably wasn't very clear - I meant that aside from the
password problem

as far as disk/directory struture is  concerned , will persisting with
fsck -fy ever come up 'clean'  ie not having had to be 'repaired'



> ----Original Message----
> From: robbiemurray at f2s.com
> Date: 24/10/2008 13:47
> To: "eenow at tiscali.co.uk"<eenow at tiscali.co.uk>
> Subj: Re: [NMUG] Fw: forgotten login - password emac OSX 10.3.8
>
> I'm not sure this will have any effect, as it's basically a check
and
> repair of the disk/directory structure.
>
> To my knowledge it doesn't change data.
>
> Robbie
>
> On 24 Oct 2008, at 13:28, eenow at tiscali.co.uk wrote:
>
> Thanks to Robbie, Joe and David for replying to my problem -
>
> I still have problem and am trying to remedy using fsck/mount -
> uw/systemstarter route
>
> in going this way I've been running fsck -fy. And  I seem to remember
> previous advice from an NMUG'r to keep doing this until the file
system
> doesn't have to be repaired?
>
> I have been running fsck -fy since yesterday ie 30+ times and still
> 'HD was repaired successfully' comes up.
> Should I keep going or give up or what?
>
> thanks
> best wishes
> Nigel
>
> ----Original Message----
> From: eenow at tiscali.co.uk
> Date: 14/10/2008 13:49
> To: <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Subj: forgotten login - password
>
>
> I have just reclaimed my old eMac from the 'top of the wardrobe' - -
> old problems with disk drive and thus not being able / knowing how to
> upgrade put it there a while ago -
>
> but I would like to look at/use some old stuff I know is on it,
> trouble is I seem to have forgotten my main login - I am
> 'Administrator' - but I can get on to another of my accounts (which
> doesn't have admin rights)
>
> can anyone help please?
>
> thanks
>
> Nigel
>
>
>
>
> Free Games for all the family - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/play
>
> ________________________________________________
>
>
>
>
>
> ___________________________
>
> Seasonal Bargains - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/events/christmas/bargain-
corner/
>
> ___________________________
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
> Robbie Murray
> robbiemurray at f2s.com
> 01603-620749
> 01603-516175
> 07882-007667
>
>
>




___________________________

Seasonal Bargains - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/events/christmas/bargain-corner/

___________________________



Robbie Murray
robbiemurray at f2s.com
01603-620749
01603-516175
07882-007667




From sales at trianglecomputers.co.uk  Fri Oct 24 16:28:45 2008
From: sales at trianglecomputers.co.uk (Triangle Computer Systems)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:28:45 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] RE: The iPod Is 7 Years Old Today 
In-Reply-To: <20081024110004.F17217C630C@mail.durrant.co.uk>
References: <20081024110004.F17217C630C@mail.durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4901E9AD.8080909@trianglecomputers.co.uk>

--
    --

        <beeswaspswoodlice>

                    Simon,

                    I have a puck mouse - it's green and costs five 
british pounds.

                    All of my previous iPods all have been damaged, 
soaked, lost or deliberately incinerated.

                    I don't think I'll ever get rid of my Nano 3G, it's 
totally wine and fire resistant.

                    Triangle Computer Systems
                    t: (01603 ) 66 72 32
                    e: sales at trianglecomputers.co.uk
                    w: www.trianglecomputers.co.uk

        </beeswaspswoodlice>
     --
 --


From postmaster at bobartless.plus.com  Sat Oct 25 09:39:09 2008
From: postmaster at bobartless.plus.com (Clive R.Artless)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 09:39:09 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Thanks
Message-ID: <1ca9f7a92c35dfe4d4dea7a74c785db1@bobartless.plus.com>

Apologies for not thanking everyone for their help with my problem of 
downloading RAW images in to iPhoto as we have been away for a few 
days.
Bob



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat Oct 25 12:42:47 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 12:42:47 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Netgear Power Supply
Message-ID: <FbyT0mGhDTl6.RNzGTsHb@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

I picked up a Netgear WGR614 wireless cable router and I have no power supply. If anyone has one or a compatible one I would be grateful.

A friend is now moving to three Macs after having just a PC and I am going to set her up along with the Netgear.

Simon

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From mail at edmarlodge.co.uk  Sat Oct 25 18:49:50 2008
From: mail at edmarlodge.co.uk (Raymond Paine)
Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 17:49:50 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Video to DVD Transfer
Message-ID: <8956A6DE-1364-455E-A38A-118BA7C81ED4@edmarlodge.co.uk>


Hi All

Can anyone guide me to the best place to purchase
suitable adapter from my VHS Video to my G5 to convert
my Tapes to DVD . Items found locally are not Mac Compatible.
Or can you suggest the best way of carrying out the procedure.


Ray Paine 


From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Sun Oct 26 13:26:17 2008
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 13:26:17 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Video to DVD Transfer (Raymond Paine)
In-Reply-To: <20081026120004.7991B7CD056@mail.durrant.co.uk>
References: <20081026120004.7991B7CD056@mail.durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <2A6551B6-C9F0-429C-A5B5-342A47DFFE86@gmail.com>

>
>
> Can anyone guide me to the best place to purchase
> suitable adapter from my VHS Video to my G5 to convert
> my Tapes to DVD . Items found locally are not Mac Compatible.
> Or can you suggest the best way of carrying out the procedure.
>
>
> Ray Paine
>


Commercial VHS tapes will be protected by Macrovision Copy Protection  
and a straight feed from VHS through a simple conversion box will  
yield a signal that varies constantly in brightness and saturation and  
will, in consequence, be unwatchable.

Don't buy any converter that does not explicitly say it will remove  
Macrovision, therefore. A complication is that owing to some weird  
interpretation of the law, most retailers will not supply equipment  
that removes copy protection so you might think you're well and truly  
stuffed.

I studied how Macrovision works and it's surprisingly unsophisticated.  
I built my own device to handle it. Later on I discovered a commercial  
product that works in the same way and offers a few things I didn't  
put into my breadboard product, including S video and PAL/NTSC.

The simple and cheap device that will do the job is made by Sima and  
is called GoDVD

You can see it on Amazon and on eBay.

They don't tell you it fixes Macrovision, but it does, because it has  
a circuit in there to deal with equipment operating at inconsistent  
output levels by normalizing the output signal. Since changing output  
levels is precisely how VHS Macrovision works, the Sima fixed the  
problem.

There's no software. You don't need a computer. It's an entirely  
analogue device. Just take the output from the VHS via the GoDVD and  
input it to a DVD recorder




From band1 at mac.com  Sun Oct 26 18:30:34 2008
From: band1 at mac.com (David King)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:30:34 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Camera card
Message-ID: <7A7131B2-9E72-4FF3-9FA5-90FC533ADDD8@mac.com>

An elderly friend has managed to delete some photos that she wants  
from her camera card.  Apart from being in GCHQ, MI5 or Scotland Yard  
is there any way (cheap) of recovering them?

David


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sun Oct 26 18:57:47 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:57:47 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Camera card
In-Reply-To: <7A7131B2-9E72-4FF3-9FA5-90FC533ADDD8@mac.com>
References: <7A7131B2-9E72-4FF3-9FA5-90FC533ADDD8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F0F6DA3F-F065-44AD-83CD-88AE4FFAA31A@durrant.co.uk>

You need a data recovery program for FAT32 disk format. Provided she  
hasn't written any other data to the card, it should be possible to  
get all the pictures back.

I found one such program for Mac OS X:

http://subrosasoft.com/OSXSoftware/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1

but it's a bit expensive.

Perhaps someone else knows of a cheaper solution

Paul

On 26 Oct 2008, at 18:30, David King wrote:

> An elderly friend has managed to delete some photos that she wants  
> from her camera card.  Apart from being in GCHQ, MI5 or Scotland  
> Yard is there any way (cheap) of recovering them?



From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Sun Oct 26 20:51:16 2008
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 20:51:16 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Broadband ISPs
Message-ID: <751B3226-25EE-49A1-A716-DD8AF2A664F3@zen.co.uk>

Now looking at revamping my Broadband and having looked at the guides  
on the web I'm a little bemused. Currently paying ?45 pm for BT for  
phone and Zen for BB. Currently downloading > 5GB/month. Really need  
to cut back.

I'm looking for the highest speed for the lowest price (now there's a  
conundrum if we work on the theory you get what you pay for!). IMO I'm  
not getting best value from Zen as I'm averaging about 2 MBps.

Although I have cable outside the house I'm not keen on Virgin's M  
(10MBps) service as you need to have phone to benefit and I'm not  
happy with their Phone tariff. Looks like you can end up paying extra  
on the calls.

What's everyone's experience with other providers?

Tiscali look interesting but..... (They say I could get 4.5 MBps) Very  
cheap though. TalkTalk?

I might have another go with Zen's customer service to see if they can  
improve things as well.

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk





From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sun Oct 26 22:34:57 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 22:34:57 +0000
Subject: Fwd: [NMUG] Camera card
References: <00a801c937b2$c77f87e0$0200a8c0@peter225c44749>
Message-ID: <1E975273-7C76-4B26-B99F-30919EF6A2C4@durrant.co.uk>

> From: "Peter Hunter" <peter.hunter1 at sky.com>
> Date: 26 October 2008 21:35:31 GMT
> To: "Paul Durrant" <paul at durrant.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Camera card
>
> I have always used Photo Rescue from www.datarescue.com. It works  
> fantastic. You can recover deleted files even AFTER the card has  
> been reformatted. The demo version will allow you to see what is  
> recoverable on the card, so it's a try before you buy. I think the  
> full version is 29 dollars. In my opinion worth every penny (or  
> should that be cent?).
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Peter
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Durrant" <paul at durrant.co.uk>
> To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 6:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Camera card
>
>
>> You need a data recovery program for FAT32 disk format. Provided  
>> she hasn't written any other data to the card, it should be  
>> possible to  get all the pictures back.
>>
>> I found one such program for Mac OS X:
>>
>> http://subrosasoft.com/OSXSoftware/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1
>>
>> but it's a bit expensive.
>>
>> Perhaps someone else knows of a cheaper solution
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On 26 Oct 2008, at 18:30, David King wrote:
>>
>>> An elderly friend has managed to delete some photos that she  
>>> wants  from her camera card.  Apart from being in GCHQ, MI5 or  
>>> Scotland  Yard is there any way (cheap) of recovering them?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>



From band1 at mac.com  Sun Oct 26 23:04:18 2008
From: band1 at mac.com (David King)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 23:04:18 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Camera card
In-Reply-To: <1E975273-7C76-4B26-B99F-30919EF6A2C4@durrant.co.uk>
References: <00a801c937b2$c77f87e0$0200a8c0@peter225c44749>
	<1E975273-7C76-4B26-B99F-30919EF6A2C4@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7CB6E23B-0829-4F33-A714-0E1192342C82@mac.com>

Thanks to Peter and Paul for the suggestions which are most useful.

David
On 26 Oct 2008, at 22:34, Paul Durrant wrote:

>> From: "Peter Hunter" <peter.hunter1 at sky.com>
>> Date: 26 October 2008 21:35:31 GMT
>> To: "Paul Durrant" <paul at durrant.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Camera card
>>
>> I have always used Photo Rescue from www.datarescue.com. It works  
>> fantastic. You can recover deleted files even AFTER the card has  
>> been reformatted. The demo version will allow you to see what is  
>> recoverable on the card, so it's a try before you buy. I think the  
>> full version is 29 dollars. In my opinion worth every penny (or  
>> should that be cent?).
>>
>> Hope this helps
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Durrant"  
>> <paul at durrant.co.uk>
>> To: "Norwich Mac User Group list" <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 6:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Camera card
>>
>>
>>> You need a data recovery program for FAT32 disk format. Provided  
>>> she hasn't written any other data to the card, it should be  
>>> possible to  get all the pictures back.
>>>
>>> I found one such program for Mac OS X:
>>>
>>> http://subrosasoft.com/OSXSoftware/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1
>>>
>>> but it's a bit expensive.
>>>
>>> Perhaps someone else knows of a cheaper solution
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> On 26 Oct 2008, at 18:30, David King wrote:
>>>
>>>> An elderly friend has managed to delete some photos that she  
>>>> wants  from her camera card.  Apart from being in GCHQ, MI5 or  
>>>> Scotland  Yard is there any way (cheap) of recovering them?
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Oct 27 09:55:20 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:55:20 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Fwd: Questions Regarding The NMUG
References: <5A0F708035918446843B213B1BB2195303A49F10@jl-xcl-l01.jupiter.eu.com>
Message-ID: <0CAA23E3-43E2-4F5A-9EBB-CA62ABB2EC46@durrant.co.uk>

Mac tuition needed in North Norfolk. Will anyone who can help, or  
knows someone who might help, please get in touch with Clare directly.

cgalton at jupiter-group.co.uk

Thanks,

Paul


Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Clare Galton" <cgalton at jupiter-group.co.uk>
> Date: 27 October 2008 09:38:37 GMT
> To: <paul at durrant.co.uk>
> Subject: Questions Regarding The NMUG
>
> Dear Mr Durrant
>
> Would you happen to know of anyone who would be willing to provide  
> home tuition to my mother-in-law who lives in North Norfolk, Wiveton  
> near Holt. I arranged to buy her a macbook and she has internet  
> access, but has never used a computer, and we live a bit too far  
> away to help her to learn to use it. I would be happy to pay for her  
> to get some lessons, just to learn the basics of sending emails and  
> using the internet etc. I had hoped that, being a Mac, she would  
> adapt to it.
>
> I would be really grateful if someone could help, as the computer is  
> not being used at all at the moment and it seems a great shame.
>
> Kind regards,
> Clare


From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Mon Oct 27 12:41:40 2008
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:41:40 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Broadband ISPs
In-Reply-To: <20081027120004.DD1FB7CDC41@mail.durrant.co.uk>
References: <20081027120004.DD1FB7CDC41@mail.durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1D7EB6F6-E224-467E-A6F1-A0953A48348A@gmail.com>

 >From: Steven Jefferson <steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk>
Subject: [NMUG] Broadband ISPs


Now looking at revamping my Broadband and having looked at the guides
on the web I'm a little bemused. Currently paying ?45 pm for BT for
phone and Zen for BB. Currently downloading > 5GB/month. Really need
to cut back.



Tiscali is hopeless. Customer Service is a big fat zero. They don't  
know their ass from their elbow, nobody has a clue what is going on.  
Avoid them like the plague.

O2 has a great deal if you are an existing mobile customer AND they  
support their special service on your exchange. Otherwise they just  
wholesale the standard BT package for a few pennies less

Cheapest BT is probably your best bet

From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Mon Oct 27 17:17:05 2008
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:17:05 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] ISP ideas
Message-ID: <CC8614C2-5E2C-43AA-8C54-FD05CDC2F271@zen.co.uk>

Thanks to those of you who responded.

By complete coincidence we got a flyer from Talk Talk today quoting  
?6.49 pm for 8 Meg BB plus ?10.50pm for unlimited evening & w/e  
calls... My Dad is woth them & other than a couple of outages due to  
local line tampering its been ok.....

Anything to the contrary in norwich North?

I've also ordered an I-Plate to see if that can boost speeds....

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk





From rob at lucking.idps.co.uk  Mon Oct 27 19:55:03 2008
From: rob at lucking.idps.co.uk (Rob Lucking)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:55:03 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Wanted - G3 imac
Message-ID: <E3A8D372-1F4D-40DD-816D-93DE51C6AE6F@lucking.idps.co.uk>

A friend of mine is looking for a late slot-loading G3 iMac to buy.  
Must be 400MHz or above. Max price ?40. If anyone's got something  
suitable they'd like to offload, please let me know. I can pick up  
from Norwich.

Many thanks

Rob

From paulharrowing at waitrose.com  Mon Oct 27 19:53:30 2008
From: paulharrowing at waitrose.com (Paul Harrowing)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 19:53:30 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] BBC
Message-ID: <978F909A-4C60-412F-A5C9-C66DE16F174E@waitrose.com>

Does anyone know if there is a way to get round the fact that BBC  
iPlayer will not work if you try to log into it from abroad.

PAH


From munkt0n at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 20:07:28 2008
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:07:28 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] BBC
In-Reply-To: <978F909A-4C60-412F-A5C9-C66DE16F174E@waitrose.com>
References: <978F909A-4C60-412F-A5C9-C66DE16F174E@waitrose.com>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0810271307p11af4235hcee48d94bb4853d0@mail.gmail.com>

you might be able to get around it by using a proxy hosted in the UK, this
involves changing your network settings, and public proxies tend to be over
subscribed, so may be unusable for iPlayer
there's a list here - http://www.xroxy.com/proxy-country-GB.htm

On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 7:53 PM, Paul Harrowing
<paulharrowing at waitrose.com>wrote:

> Does anyone know if there is a way to get round the fact that BBC iPlayer
> will not work if you try to log into it from abroad.
>
> PAH
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>


From robbiemurray at f2s.com  Mon Oct 27 20:22:13 2008
From: robbiemurray at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 20:22:13 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] BBC
In-Reply-To: <978F909A-4C60-412F-A5C9-C66DE16F174E@waitrose.com>
References: <978F909A-4C60-412F-A5C9-C66DE16F174E@waitrose.com>
Message-ID: <986984DB-C160-48E3-985F-B0D6226FCBEF@f2s.com>

Use a proxy server ....

On 27 Oct 2008, at 19:53, Paul Harrowing wrote:

Does anyone know if there is a way to get round the fact that BBC  
iPlayer will not work if you try to log into it from abroad.

PAH
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01603-516175
07882-007667




From eenow at tiscali.co.uk  Tue Oct 28 07:32:41 2008
From: eenow at tiscali.co.uk (eenow at tiscali.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:32:41 +0100 (GMT+01:00)
Subject: [NMUG] Malfunctioning disc reader & forgotten keychain - password
 emac OSX 10.3.8
Message-ID: <29344943.1225179161946.JavaMail.root@ps31>


re forgotten password (NMUG Digest, Vol 57, Issue 26)

mount - uw / systemstarter route worked peerfectly and very simple, to 
reset password

now I'm in I find I can't remember keychain password - anyone know how 
I can reset this pls?

and also going back to reason I cottonwoolled MAC in first place - 
something wron with disc loader/reader
hence can't upgrade OSX - what is involved / how much will it cost to 
replace / where's best place to source?

thanks
Nigel


>----Original Message----
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>Date: 25/10/2008 12:00 
>To: <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>Subj: NMUG Digest, Vol 57, Issue 26
>
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>   1. Fw: forgotten login - password emac OSX 10.3.8
>      (eenow at tiscali.co.uk)
>   2. Re: Fw: forgotten login - password emac OSX 10.3.8 (Robbie 
Murray)
>   3. RE: The iPod Is 7 Years Old Today  (Triangle Computer Systems)
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Message: 1
>Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:28:09 +0100 (GMT+01:00)
>From: "eenow at tiscali.co.uk" <eenow at tiscali.co.uk>
>Subject: [NMUG] Fw: forgotten login - password emac OSX 10.3.8
>To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
>Message-ID: <23449702.1224851289377.JavaMail.root at ps29>
>Content-Type: text/plain;charset="UTF-8"
>
>Thanks to Robbie, Joe and David for replying to my problem -
>
>I still have problem and am trying to remedy using fsck/mount -
>uw/systemstarter route
>
>in going this way I've been running fsck -fy. And  I seem to 
remember 
>previous advice from an NMUG'r to keep doing this until the file 
system 
>doesn't have to be repaired? 
>
>I have been running fsck -fy since yesterday ie 30+ times and still 
>'HD was repaired successfully' comes up.
>Should I keep going or give up or what?
>
>thanks
>best wishes
>Nigel
>
>----Original Message----
>From: eenow at tiscali.co.uk
>Date: 14/10/2008 13:49 
>To: <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>Subj: forgotten login - password
>
>
>I have just reclaimed my old eMac from the 'top of the wardrobe' - - 
>old problems with disk drive and thus not being able / knowing how 
to 
>upgrade put it there a while ago -
>
>but I would like to look at/use some old stuff I know is on it, 
>trouble is I seem to have forgotten my main login - I am 
>'Administrator' - but I can get on to another of my accounts (which 
>doesn't have admin rights)
>
>can anyone help please?
>
>thanks
>
>Nigel
>
>
>
>
>Free Games for all the family - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/play
>
>________________________________________________
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 2
>Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:46:41 +0100
>From: Robbie Murray <robbiemurray at f2s.com>
>Subject: Re: [NMUG] Fw: forgotten login - password emac OSX 10.3.8
>To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>Message-ID: <DEB8DB51-1ABB-45EF-A827-4160E0EAA6C3 at f2s.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
>In that case, sound like it's ok - nothing broke, nothing to fix!
>
>It may be that in 10.3.8 it was a different message - I'm now on  
>10.5.5, and the one time I have used it, I didn't get the exact 
same  
>message as I used to under 10.4, but then I used Apllejack, which 
was  
>so much simpler, as it would just repeat until everything was fixed.
>
>
>
>
>On 24 Oct 2008, at 14:29, eenow at tiscali.co.uk wrote:
>
>Thanks Robbie
>
>yes sorry I probably wasn't very clear - I meant that aside from the
>password problem
>
>as far as disk/directory struture is  concerned , will persisting 
with
>fsck -fy ever come up 'clean'  ie not having had to be 'repaired'
>
>
>
>> ----Original Message----
>> From: robbiemurray at f2s.com
>> Date: 24/10/2008 13:47
>> To: "eenow at tiscali.co.uk"<eenow at tiscali.co.uk>
>> Subj: Re: [NMUG] Fw: forgotten login - password emac OSX 10.3.8
>>
>> I'm not sure this will have any effect, as it's basically a check
>and
>> repair of the disk/directory structure.
>>
>> To my knowledge it doesn't change data.
>>
>> Robbie
>>
>> On 24 Oct 2008, at 13:28, eenow at tiscali.co.uk wrote:
>>
>> Thanks to Robbie, Joe and David for replying to my problem -
>>
>> I still have problem and am trying to remedy using fsck/mount -
>> uw/systemstarter route
>>
>> in going this way I've been running fsck -fy. And  I seem to 
remember
>> previous advice from an NMUG'r to keep doing this until the file
>system
>> doesn't have to be repaired?
>>
>> I have been running fsck -fy since yesterday ie 30+ times and still
>> 'HD was repaired successfully' comes up.
>> Should I keep going or give up or what?
>>
>> thanks
>> best wishes
>> Nigel
>>
>> ----Original Message----
>> From: eenow at tiscali.co.uk
>> Date: 14/10/2008 13:49
>> To: <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>> Subj: forgotten login - password
>>
>>
>> I have just reclaimed my old eMac from the 'top of the wardrobe' - 
-
>> old problems with disk drive and thus not being able / knowing how 
to
>> upgrade put it there a while ago -
>>
>> but I would like to look at/use some old stuff I know is on it,
>> trouble is I seem to have forgotten my main login - I am
>> 'Administrator' - but I can get on to another of my accounts (which
>> doesn't have admin rights)
>>
>> can anyone help please?
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Nigel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Free Games for all the family - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/play
>>
>> ________________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ___________________________
>>
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uk/events/christmas/bargain-
>corner/
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
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>> robbiemurray at f2s.com
>> 01603-620749
>> 01603-516175
>> 07882-007667
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>___________________________
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>Seasonal Bargains - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/events/christmas/bargain-
corner/
>
>___________________________
>
>
>
>Robbie Murray
>robbiemurray at f2s.com
>01603-620749
>01603-516175
>07882-007667
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 3
>Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:28:45 +0100
>From: Triangle Computer Systems <sales at trianglecomputers.co.uk>
>Subject: [NMUG] RE: The iPod Is 7 Years Old Today 
>To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
>Message-ID: <4901E9AD.8080909 at trianglecomputers.co.uk>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>--
>    --
>
>        <beeswaspswoodlice>
>
>                    Simon,
>
>                    I have a puck mouse - it's green and costs five 
>british pounds.
>
>                    All of my previous iPods all have been damaged, 
>soaked, lost or deliberately incinerated.
>
>                    I don't think I'll ever get rid of my Nano 3G, 
it's 
>totally wine and fire resistant.
>
>                    Triangle Computer Systems
>                    t: (01603 ) 66 72 32
>                    e: sales at trianglecomputers.co.uk
>                    w: www.trianglecomputers.co.uk
>
>        </beeswaspswoodlice>
>     --
> --
>
>
>------------------------------
>
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>
>End of NMUG Digest, Vol 57, Issue 26
>************************************
>




___________________________

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___________________________



From robbiemurray at f2s.com  Tue Oct 28 09:05:06 2008
From: robbiemurray at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:05:06 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Malfunctioning disc reader & forgotten keychain - password
	emac OSX 10.3.8
In-Reply-To: <29344943.1225179161946.JavaMail.root@ps31>
References: <29344943.1225179161946.JavaMail.root@ps31>
Message-ID: <5C251F7C-37D1-4A62-AF60-A2CC50C8534E@f2s.com>

If you can borrow a Firewire CD/DVD reader you can install / upgrade  
from that: I used one to load the OS on 6 educational eMacs which come  
with only a BIOS installed - mounts happily even if no OS installed  
and works fine.

I would offer it, but it's down in the office Stowmarket and I rarely  
go there nowadays.

You should be able to find a new one around ?50 - ?60 ....

Hope this helps

Robbie







On 28 Oct 2008, at 07:32, eenow at tiscali.co.uk wrote:


re forgotten password (NMUG Digest, Vol 57, Issue 26)

mount - uw / systemstarter route worked peerfectly and very simple, to
reset password

now I'm in I find I can't remember keychain password - anyone know how
I can reset this pls?

and also going back to reason I cottonwoolled MAC in first place -
something wron with disc loader/reader
hence can't upgrade OSX - what is involved / how much will it cost to
replace / where's best place to source?

thanks
Nigel


> ----Original Message----
> From: nmug-request at durrant.co.uk
> Date: 25/10/2008 12:00
> To: <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Subj: NMUG Digest, Vol 57, Issue 26
>
> Send NMUG mailing list submissions to
> 	nmug at durrant.co.uk
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> 	http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> 	nmug-request at durrant.co.uk
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
> 	nmug-owner at durrant.co.uk
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of NMUG digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>  1. Fw: forgotten login - password emac OSX 10.3.8
>     (eenow at tiscali.co.uk)
>  2. Re: Fw: forgotten login - password emac OSX 10.3.8 (Robbie
Murray)
>  3. RE: The iPod Is 7 Years Old Today  (Triangle Computer Systems)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:28:09 +0100 (GMT+01:00)
> From: "eenow at tiscali.co.uk" <eenow at tiscali.co.uk>
> Subject: [NMUG] Fw: forgotten login - password emac OSX 10.3.8
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> Message-ID: <23449702.1224851289377.JavaMail.root at ps29>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="UTF-8"
>
> Thanks to Robbie, Joe and David for replying to my problem -
>
> I still have problem and am trying to remedy using fsck/mount -
> uw/systemstarter route
>
> in going this way I've been running fsck -fy. And  I seem to
remember
> previous advice from an NMUG'r to keep doing this until the file
system
> doesn't have to be repaired?
>
> I have been running fsck -fy since yesterday ie 30+ times and still
> 'HD was repaired successfully' comes up.
> Should I keep going or give up or what?
>
> thanks
> best wishes
> Nigel
>
> ----Original Message----
> From: eenow at tiscali.co.uk
> Date: 14/10/2008 13:49
> To: <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Subj: forgotten login - password
>
>
> I have just reclaimed my old eMac from the 'top of the wardrobe' - -
> old problems with disk drive and thus not being able / knowing how
to
> upgrade put it there a while ago -
>
> but I would like to look at/use some old stuff I know is on it,
> trouble is I seem to have forgotten my main login - I am
> 'Administrator' - but I can get on to another of my accounts (which
> doesn't have admin rights)
>
> can anyone help please?
>
> thanks
>
> Nigel
>
>
>
>
> Free Games for all the family - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/play
>
> ________________________________________________
>
>
>
>
>
> ___________________________
>
> Seasonal Bargains - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/events/christmas/bargain-
corner/
>
> ___________________________
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:46:41 +0100
> From: Robbie Murray <robbiemurray at f2s.com>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Fw: forgotten login - password emac OSX 10.3.8
> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Message-ID: <DEB8DB51-1ABB-45EF-A827-4160E0EAA6C3 at f2s.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> In that case, sound like it's ok - nothing broke, nothing to fix!
>
> It may be that in 10.3.8 it was a different message - I'm now on
> 10.5.5, and the one time I have used it, I didn't get the exact
same
> message as I used to under 10.4, but then I used Apllejack, which
was
> so much simpler, as it would just repeat until everything was fixed.
>
>
>
>
> On 24 Oct 2008, at 14:29, eenow at tiscali.co.uk wrote:
>
> Thanks Robbie
>
> yes sorry I probably wasn't very clear - I meant that aside from the
> password problem
>
> as far as disk/directory struture is  concerned , will persisting
with
> fsck -fy ever come up 'clean'  ie not having had to be 'repaired'
>
>
>
>> ----Original Message----
>> From: robbiemurray at f2s.com
>> Date: 24/10/2008 13:47
>> To: "eenow at tiscali.co.uk"<eenow at tiscali.co.uk>
>> Subj: Re: [NMUG] Fw: forgotten login - password emac OSX 10.3.8
>>
>> I'm not sure this will have any effect, as it's basically a check
> and
>> repair of the disk/directory structure.
>>
>> To my knowledge it doesn't change data.
>>
>> Robbie
>>
>> On 24 Oct 2008, at 13:28, eenow at tiscali.co.uk wrote:
>>
>> Thanks to Robbie, Joe and David for replying to my problem -
>>
>> I still have problem and am trying to remedy using fsck/mount -
>> uw/systemstarter route
>>
>> in going this way I've been running fsck -fy. And  I seem to
remember
>> previous advice from an NMUG'r to keep doing this until the file
> system
>> doesn't have to be repaired?
>>
>> I have been running fsck -fy since yesterday ie 30+ times and still
>> 'HD was repaired successfully' comes up.
>> Should I keep going or give up or what?
>>
>> thanks
>> best wishes
>> Nigel
>>
>> ----Original Message----
>> From: eenow at tiscali.co.uk
>> Date: 14/10/2008 13:49
>> To: <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>> Subj: forgotten login - password
>>
>>
>> I have just reclaimed my old eMac from the 'top of the wardrobe' -
-
>> old problems with disk drive and thus not being able / knowing how
to
>> upgrade put it there a while ago -
>>
>> but I would like to look at/use some old stuff I know is on it,
>> trouble is I seem to have forgotten my main login - I am
>> 'Administrator' - but I can get on to another of my accounts (which
>> doesn't have admin rights)
>>
>> can anyone help please?
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Nigel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Free Games for all the family - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/play
>>
>> ________________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ___________________________
>>
>> Seasonal Bargains - http://www.tiscali.co.
uk/events/christmas/bargain-
> corner/
>>
>> ___________________________
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
>> Robbie Murray
>> robbiemurray at f2s.com
>> 01603-620749
>> 01603-516175
>> 07882-007667
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> ___________________________
>
> Seasonal Bargains - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/events/christmas/bargain-
corner/
>
> ___________________________
>
>
>
> Robbie Murray
> robbiemurray at f2s.com
> 01603-620749
> 01603-516175
> 07882-007667
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:28:45 +0100
> From: Triangle Computer Systems <sales at trianglecomputers.co.uk>
> Subject: [NMUG] RE: The iPod Is 7 Years Old Today
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> Message-ID: <4901E9AD.8080909 at trianglecomputers.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> --
>   --
>
>       <beeswaspswoodlice>
>
>                   Simon,
>
>                   I have a puck mouse - it's green and costs five
> british pounds.
>
>                   All of my previous iPods all have been damaged,
> soaked, lost or deliberately incinerated.
>
>                   I don't think I'll ever get rid of my Nano 3G,
it's
> totally wine and fire resistant.
>
>                   Triangle Computer Systems
>                   t: (01603 ) 66 72 32
>                   e: sales at trianglecomputers.co.uk
>                   w: www.trianglecomputers.co.uk
>
>       </beeswaspswoodlice>
>    --
> --
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
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>
> End of NMUG Digest, Vol 57, Issue 26
> ************************************
>




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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Oct 28 13:03:17 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:03:17 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] PowerMac G4 For Sale
Message-ID: <r0VB5dYbRZPL.yRR5BqTb@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

I am selling my PowerMac G4 if anyone is interested let me know before I eBay it.

It is a 400mhz 'Sawtooth' so it has an Airport slot. It has 512MB of RAM, two internal 20GB hard drives, internal Zip drive.

It has a PCI ATI Rage graphics card at the mo, but have an AGP version coming any day and will put this in.

Tower only with power lead.

Simon

--- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71)



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue Oct 28 17:28:15 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:28:15 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] List Interruption
Message-ID: <45B9DEAE-D14A-48B2-925C-1E4C5451CCAE@durrant.co.uk>

The list server will be down for five days from Wednesday morning  
(tomorrow, 29th October) until Sunday evening (2nd November).

I'm afraid electrical work at my house means that power will be on and  
off unpredictably during that time (due to building work), so I think  
it best just to shut down for the duration.

I'll post a message when normal service resumes.

During these five days no messages will be distributed. Messages sent  
to the list will probably be queued for distribution when the lists  
server comes back up - it rather depends on various mail server  
settings, mostly not under my control.

Apologies for the interruption.

Paul Durrant
NMUG listmanager


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Oct 28 18:51:04 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:51:04 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] List Interruption
Message-ID: <90j3Zt4zsz3v.MQwGtTcw@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

Oh my. No MUG for 5 whole days. What will I do.

Simon

--- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71)

-original message-
Subject: [NMUG] List Interruption
From: Paul Durrant <paul at durrant.co.uk>
Date: 28/10/2008 17:28

The list server will be down for five days from Wednesday morning  
(tomorrow, 29th October) until Sunday evening (2nd November).

I'm afraid electrical work at my house means that power will be on and  
off unpredictably during that time (due to building work), so I think  
it best just to shut down for the duration.

I'll post a message when normal service resumes.

During these five days no messages will be distributed. Messages sent  
to the list will probably be queued for distribution when the lists  
server comes back up - it rather depends on various mail server  
settings, mostly not under my control.

Apologies for the interruption.

Paul Durrant
NMUG listmanager
_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
NMUG at durrant.co.uk
http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Tue Oct 28 18:54:33 2008
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:54:33 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] List Interruption
In-Reply-To: <90j3Zt4zsz3v.MQwGtTcw@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <90j3Zt4zsz3v.MQwGtTcw@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BD634784-EC11-4061-A71A-EBEAD1BA058C@zen.co.uk>

Something else........?

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 28 Oct 2008, at 18:51, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi.
>
> Oh my. No MUG for 5 whole days. What will I do.
>
> Simon
>
> --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71)
>
> -original message-
> Subject: [NMUG] List Interruption
> From: Paul Durrant <paul at durrant.co.uk>
> Date: 28/10/2008 17:28
>
> The list server will be down for five days from Wednesday morning
> (tomorrow, 29th October) until Sunday evening (2nd November).
>
> I'm afraid electrical work at my house means that power will be on and
> off unpredictably during that time (due to building work), so I think
> it best just to shut down for the duration.
>
> I'll post a message when normal service resumes.
>
> During these five days no messages will be distributed. Messages sent
> to the list will probably be queued for distribution when the lists
> server comes back up - it rather depends on various mail server
> settings, mostly not under my control.
>
> Apologies for the interruption.
>
> Paul Durrant
> NMUG listmanager
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From band1 at mac.com  Tue Oct 28 19:01:59 2008
From: band1 at mac.com (David King)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:01:59 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] List Interruption
In-Reply-To: <BD634784-EC11-4061-A71A-EBEAD1BA058C@zen.co.uk>
References: <90j3Zt4zsz3v.MQwGtTcw@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
	<BD634784-EC11-4061-A71A-EBEAD1BA058C@zen.co.uk>
Message-ID: <00D409E4-CCB2-4540-B293-735FF868D8CF@mac.com>

...........hopefully

D


On 28 Oct 2008, at 18:54, Steven Jefferson wrote:

> Something else........?
>
> Steven Jefferson
> steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk
>
>
>
> On 28 Oct 2008, at 18:51, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> Oh my. No MUG for 5 whole days. What will I do.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> --- www.simonroyal.co.uk and www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71)
>>
>> -original message-
>> Subject: [NMUG] List Interruption
>> From: Paul Durrant <paul at durrant.co.uk>
>> Date: 28/10/2008 17:28
>>
>> The list server will be down for five days from Wednesday morning
>> (tomorrow, 29th October) until Sunday evening (2nd November).
>>
>> I'm afraid electrical work at my house means that power will be on  
>> and
>> off unpredictably during that time (due to building work), so I think
>> it best just to shut down for the duration.
>>
>> I'll post a message when normal service resumes.
>>
>> During these five days no messages will be distributed. Messages sent
>> to the list will probably be queued for distribution when the lists
>> server comes back up - it rather depends on various mail server
>> settings, mostly not under my control.
>>
>> Apologies for the interruption.
>>
>> Paul Durrant
>> NMUG listmanager
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From munkt0n at gmail.com  Tue Oct 28 21:15:30 2008
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:15:30 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] codeweavers 'crossover' free for today only
Message-ID: <ac224bde0810281415w2d823f1bm6e6c0541e79307ee@mail.gmail.com>

codeweavers are giving away crossover mac pro and crossover games for free
today.
crossover allows you to run certain windows programs and games on your mac

http://down.codeweavers.com/


From michelehurst at mac.com  Tue Oct 28 21:48:59 2008
From: michelehurst at mac.com (michelehurst)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:48:59 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] HELP! My G4 power book won't fire up!!
Message-ID: <490788CB.9050503@mac.com>

Hi
Very rarely do I turn off my power book and today I wish I hadn't as she 
will not boot up. The screen lights up to the light grey that shows the 
apple and the grey circly thing that shows she is thinking and that is 
as far as it goes. Her "heart beat "blue light is not lighting on the 
catch either. Have tried taking off the battery for a couple hours and 
have switched on and off countless times to no avail. Is there anything 
else to try and if not where is the most reasonable priced decent place 
to take her??
Thanks
Michele
(sent from lowly pc which is still working!!)


From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Tue Oct 28 22:19:49 2008
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:19:49 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] codeweavers 'crossover' free for today only
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0810281415w2d823f1bm6e6c0541e79307ee@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ac224bde0810281415w2d823f1bm6e6c0541e79307ee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <13A4EF1C-1C21-417D-9770-2A05A8C4B73A@virgin.net>


On Oct 28, 2008, at 21:15, Scott Matthews wrote:

> codeweavers are giving away crossover mac pro and crossover games  
> for free
> today.
> crossover allows you to run certain windows programs and games on  
> your mac

I had downloaded a previous version that they gave away for free a few  
months ago. This latest offer has upgraded my version to the latest. I  
have successfully been using it to run a program called Family  
Historian, a PC only family tree program.

Highly recommended especially as it is free for today.

Paul C



From paulharrowing at waitrose.com  Tue Oct 28 23:28:52 2008
From: paulharrowing at waitrose.com (Paul Harrowing)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:28:52 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Crossover etc
Message-ID: <4C3F41F3-548D-4CBA-8A03-2C6361A128AE@waitrose.com>

I have just downloaded it and then found out it does not work on a G5.

I don't know what I was thinking, fairly obvious really.

Message "you cannot open this application as it does not work on this  
architecture"

PAH


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Oct 30 20:55:29 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 20:55:29 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] FW: poorly g4 power book
Message-ID: <dzb5TFMnD55n.j6hYBMnz@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

Can someone please help Michellle.

Simon

-original message-
Subject: poorly g4 power book
From: michelehurst <michelehurst at mac.com>
Date: 30/10/2008 20:30

Hi Simon
I did mail the nmug group but my mail does not seem to have appeared and 
I thought you might be able to help me. My g4 power book gets as far as 
the apple screen with the grey circly thing going round as though it is 
thinking but then will not actually boot up. Ithought you might know who 
the best person to take it to might be> (Clue, I am not a rich woman but 
my mac means everything to me!!)
Hope you can help
Thanks
Michele




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Oct 30 00:52:40 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:52:40 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] No More iMacs
Message-ID: <phx0vXcS0S3R.vYmxm4LJ@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Well, it is a sad day in my house.

A fellow group member is collecting my G3 iMac for a friend. I think this will be the last G3 iMac in my house after owning lots of them.

Fantastic, superb, reliable and still capable machines.

I still have my PowerBook G3. Long live the G3.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71)



From peter.hunter1 at sky.com  Fri Oct 31 12:31:02 2008
From: peter.hunter1 at sky.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 12:31:02 -0000
Subject: [NMUG] Karl - eMacs
Message-ID: <000a01c93b54$8bc73630$0200a8c0@peter225c44749>

Hi Karl, I have lost your email address. Any news on the eMacs yet?

Regards

Peter