From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Dec  1 09:37:47 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 01 Dec 2008 09:37:47 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Stainless
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0812010937470.12562@webm10.global.net.uk>

Hi

If anyone is waiting for Google's new Chrome browser to come to OSX, check 
out Stainless.

http://www.stainlessapp.com/

It is very slimline and very quick. It isn't fully featured yet but it 
looks promising.

Simon

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Mac.




From angieking at mac.com  Mon Dec  1 12:00:30 2008
From: angieking at mac.com (Angie King)
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 12:00:30 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Database conversion
Message-ID: <FF2BC177-5777-429B-A069-9F0738DE00C5@mac.com>

Hi

I have created a database in Appleworks and wondered if there is any  
way of exporting it into a PC database, possibly Access?

Any help gratefully received.

Thanks

Angie King 


From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk  Mon Dec  1 14:59:48 2008
From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:59:48 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Unable to Receive Mail
Message-ID: <6F66B4DD-F124-42A2-80DE-FE12C6AD042D@mendelsohn.me.uk>

Hi

I am unable to pick up mail at the moment - have to go into webmail,  
so I assume f2s is working OK. The following message comes up when I   
'Check Mail':

There may be a problem with the mail server or network. Check the  
settings for account ?f2s? or try again.

The server error encountered was: The connection to the server  
?inmail.f2s.com? on port 110 timed out.


I have checked all the settings in the account - Preferences in Mail -  
they seem to be OK. Also checked the network in System Preferences -  
seem fine. Run network Diagnostics and it appears the internet  
connection is operating correctly.
I have restarted the computer - several times. Have changed none of  
the settings and appear to have received mail up to 10.20 this morning  
(while I was out).

Any ideas?

Phyll and Ed





From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Dec  1 15:45:39 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon,  1 Dec 2008 15:45:39 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Two Drives In External Case
Message-ID: <8yghRj8Cxlzf.8FLHtxw5@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

I have two external firewire cases, one has just broken, so I am having to swap drives when I need the other one.

Is it possible to use a double IDE cable and power splitter and run two hard drives in one firewire external case.

I know they physically wont fit but will it technically work?

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71)



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Dec  1 16:05:47 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 01 Dec 2008 16:05:47 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Simpsons Take On Apple
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0812011605470.26102@webm10.global.net.uk>

Hi

Just found these on Engadget. Hilarious Apple spoofing.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/01/the-simpsons-mocks-m-apple/

Simon

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hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
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Mac.




From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Mon Dec  1 16:26:43 2008
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:26:43 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Q or not to Q that is the question
In-Reply-To: <20081201120003.532507DEB93@mail.durrant.co.uk>
References: <20081201120003.532507DEB93@mail.durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7737F4AD-A6DC-4FEB-B278-14E9EC42C355@gmail.com>

>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:31:14 +0000
> From: Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Subject: [NMUG] Q
>

VMFusion is the perfect solution.. why fugger around with anything  
else? Do you want to spend half the time you're not writing to NMUG  
trying to resolve whether you have problems with Q, or with Windoze or  
the Mac or if it's finger trouble? Isn't Windoze enough of a nightmare  
on its own??

  Running Windoze on a  Mac is a non trivial effort and the resources  
of VMWare do a great job. I used Partallels too and that works, but  
not, in my 'umble hopinion as seamlessly as Fusion.



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Dec  1 16:36:14 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 01 Dec 2008 16:36:14 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Q or not to Q that is the question
In-Reply-To: <7737F4AD-A6DC-4FEB-B278-14E9EC42C355@gmail.com>
References: <20081201120003.532507DEB93@mail.durrant.co.uk>
	<7737F4AD-A6DC-4FEB-B278-14E9EC42C355@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0812011636140.26102@webm10.global.net.uk>

Stefan

I am running on a PowerPC Mac, I thought VMWare and Paralells were Intel 
only.

Simon

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hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
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Mac.


On Dec 1 2008, stefan youngs wrote:

>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:31:14 +0000
> From: Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Subject: [NMUG] Q
>

VMFusion is the perfect solution.. why fugger around with anything  
else? Do you want to spend half the time you're not writing to NMUG  
trying to resolve whether you have problems with Q, or with Windoze or  
the Mac or if it's finger trouble? Isn't Windoze enough of a nightmare  
on its own??

  Running Windoze on a  Mac is a non trivial effort and the resources  
of VMWare do a great job. I used Partallels too and that works, but  
not, in my 'umble hopinion as seamlessly as Fusion.

_______________________________________________
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http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Mon Dec  1 18:08:52 2008
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 18:08:52 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Two Drives In External Case
In-Reply-To: <8yghRj8Cxlzf.8FLHtxw5@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <8yghRj8Cxlzf.8FLHtxw5@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <38EBC5E5-E525-4268-AD8D-C4C0EF9D4FA3@virgin.net>


On Dec 1, 2008, at 15:45, Simon Royal wrote:

> I have two external firewire cases, one has just broken, so I am  
> having to swap drives when I need the other one.
> Is it possible to use a double IDE cable and power splitter and run  
> two hard drives in one firewire external case.
> I know they physically wont fit but will it technically work?

Funnily enough I was wondering the same thing only yesterday. I have  
just gone through all my spare HDs making sure there was no important  
data left on them and I now appear to have a pile of ATAs and SATAs  
ranging from 18GB up to 240GB. I know that in the back of desktops  
there were these piggy back cables and I was wondering how to power  
and use, cheaply, a stack of drives. How many can be linked this way?  
I have some single drive cases anyway, some for SATA some for ATA,  
some Firewire, some USB and some both FW and USB but only one Firewire  
has the facility to daisychain and so they would have to all have  
their own sockets back into the Mac or a good hub.

Paul C



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Dec  1 20:26:08 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 20:26:08 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Moof!
Message-ID: <9329CA82-613A-4B8B-86A4-75ACFF56FC2B@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

Does anyone remember the little cow dog from pre-OSX days.

Moof! as most people know him was actually called Clarus, created in  
1983.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
--- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5



From paulharrowing at waitrose.com  Mon Dec  1 23:19:53 2008
From: paulharrowing at waitrose.com (Paul Harrowing)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 23:19:53 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Mac Spotting & Moof
Message-ID: <E053A16C-7084-4CE7-B3E9-E74968A01B69@waitrose.com>

I watched Nightwatch again yesterday.

It's a Russian vampire movie, not really horror (and the book is  
better, quite clever).

An anglepoise iMac played quite a prominent roll (in the film that is,  
I don't remember it being mentioned in the book).

Incidently, the subtitles were for the hearing impaired. It was a bit  
annoying being told that a dog was barking or a fly buzzing, they make  
the same sound in Russian. I couldn't find the normal subtitles on the  
menu.

I think Moof looked like a wire haired terrier.

PAH


From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk  Tue Dec  2 08:48:05 2008
From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 08:48:05 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] re: Unable to receive mail
Message-ID: <6386C7CB-021C-4D26-8EFA-366C21C7EDEB@mendelsohn.me.uk>

Thanks for your response Ernie.

We are still unable to receive mail - can only pick it up on webmail.

Is your f2s service also still off?

Phyll and Ed


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Dec  2 09:25:07 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 02 Dec 2008 09:25:07 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Anti-Virus For Mac...
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0812020925070.7693@webm10.global.net.uk>

Hi

Read this article this morning about Apple relaxing their views on 
anti-virus software.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/12/01/apple_now_encourages_antivirus_use_for_mac_os_x.html

Could this be the end of Apples superiority in security?

It has been noted that if viruses and malicious software does start to 
arise in the Mac world they would be limited to the latest OS on the latest 
architecture - mean Leopard on Intel. PowerPC Macs running Leopard and Macs 
running Tiger would be less likely targets.

Simon



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Mac.




From munkt0n at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 09:37:14 2008
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:37:14 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Anti-Virus For Mac...
In-Reply-To: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0812020925070.7693@webm10.global.net.uk>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0812020925070.7693@webm10.global.net.uk>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0812020137mde67fe9jb2d6beac19d5f714@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:

>
> Could this be the end of Apples superiority in security?
>
>
more likely to be a result of an increased market share.


From rob at atvetsystems.com  Tue Dec  2 09:48:22 2008
From: rob at atvetsystems.com (Robert Tillyard)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:48:22 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Anti-Virus For Mac...
In-Reply-To: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0812020925070.7693@webm10.global.net.uk>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0812020925070.7693@webm10.global.net.uk>
Message-ID: <82D8784D-7E5D-49E2-A80D-40E7CF742149@atvetsystems.com>

I suspect that they may have changed their stance a tad just incase  
something crops up, they can at least then say they told you to have  
AV so it's your lookout.

I seem to remember seeing something on the developer network way back  
in the PPC/Intel transition days that said that things like buffer  
overflows are much harder to do on PPC machines just because of the  
way the stack frame is laid out, on Intel the return address is stored  
after local variables so by overflowing a buffer you can change the  
return address whereas on PPC the return address is before the local  
variables. I can't find a reference to that now so don't rely on this  
being the case.

Regards, Rob.

On 2 Dec 2008, at 09:25, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> Read this article this morning about Apple relaxing their views on  
> anti-virus software.
>
> http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/12/01/apple_now_encourages_antivirus_use_for_mac_os_x.html
>
> Could this be the end of Apples superiority in security?
>
> It has been noted that if viruses and malicious software does start  
> to arise in the Mac world they would be limited to the latest OS on  
> the latest architecture - mean Leopard on Intel. PowerPC Macs  
> running Leopard and Macs running Tiger would be less likely targets.
>
> Simon


From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk  Tue Dec  2 10:40:47 2008
From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:40:47 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] unable to receive mail
Message-ID: <ECCDC72A-640D-476F-B607-DBACF2B5A0C6@mendelsohn.me.uk>

Thanks again Ernie, I guess we will just have to wait until F2s have  
sorted out their problems!! Thankfully we can pick up our mail on  
their webmail site.

Ed and Phyll




From h.tamplin at btinternet.com  Tue Dec  2 11:15:02 2008
From: h.tamplin at btinternet.com (Heather Tamplin)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 11:15:02 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] no email
Message-ID: <494C4EF5-3AAA-4A3B-BEF6-B4BA95DDE26E@btinternet.com>

Hi all,
I have a mac using friend  in Letheringsett who has been unable to  
receive any emails  on her mac since changing ISP.
So I am contacting you for her as she cant join nmug yet to e-mail  
the group herself.

Is there anyone  in the Letheringsett/Holt area who would be willing  
to visit her and help her out with this problem?

Is so could you phone her - name is Jane Rees tel 01263 713931 or mob  
- 07868747510 - she has poor signal in Letheringsett but will get  
back to anyone who contacts her - as she works from home the  
situation is a bit dire.
thanks in advance........

Heather

www.heathertamplin.co.uk

"Art is the only way to run away without leaving home."
Twyla Tharp






From david at vanedwards.co.uk  Tue Dec  2 12:11:42 2008
From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:11:42 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Database conversion
In-Reply-To: <FF2BC177-5777-429B-A069-9F0738DE00C5@mac.com>
References: <FF2BC177-5777-429B-A069-9F0738DE00C5@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06240800c55ad3c688d1@[192.168.1.101]>

Dear Angie,

Have you got AppleWorks/ClarisWorks 5? Because one of the many 
advantages of this earlier programme over 6 is that you can save the 
database as a number of MS formats. I've put up a screenshot of the 
options on http://www.vanedwards.co.uk/database.htm

So, if you can save your database first into Applworks 5, you should 
be able to open it in 5 and then save it as one of these. Or failing 
that as Tab text and then recreate the database from that. I know you 
can do this with Filemaker by just opening the tab text from the 
filemaker programme.

Best wishes,

David





At 12:00 +0000 1/12/08, Angie King wrote:
>Hi
>
>I have created a database in Appleworks and wondered if there is any 
>way of exporting it into a PC database, possibly Access?
>
>Any help gratefully received.
>
>Thanks
>
>Angie King_______________________________________________
>NMUG mailing list
>NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Dec  2 12:56:38 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 02 Dec 2008 12:56:38 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] 15" Battery
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0812021256380.13640@webm10.global.net.uk>

Hi

My new PowerBook is great, but the battery is terrible. A laptop is 
pointless if it is tied to a power supply.

Firstly, does anyone have a battery for sale, it needs so good life in it 
or do you know (other than eBay) to get one. I have found them on eBay, 
brand new replacements for ?45, but the guy is in Hong Kong.

I know battery mileage on a laptop will depend on usage, but how long will 
a new battery fully charged give.

Simon

PS. is it possible to repair the one I have - replace the cells or 
something.

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From dvg at f2s.com  Tue Dec  2 13:54:59 2008
From: dvg at f2s.com (David Gregory)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:54:59 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] No e-mail
Message-ID: <9E05D9C4-8D30-4D02-BFC5-E4D25AB78A2E@f2s.com>


I had the same message (port 110) when I checked my f2s e-mails this  
morning.
I have previously received similar messages,  port 25, port(256 I  
think).  Recycling my router usually
sorts out the problem but this morning only one of my two accounts  
cleared.
The error message now says there is a server error on the account  
that didn't clear.

David Gregory
dvg at f2s.com





From eenow at tiscali.co.uk  Tue Dec  2 14:54:10 2008
From: eenow at tiscali.co.uk (eenow at tiscali.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:54:10 +0100 (GMT+01:00)
Subject: [NMUG] Old Chestnut - PC/MAC
Message-ID: <32815439.1228229650500.JavaMail.root@ps29>


Hi
I realise this may be slightly outside the radar of NMUG but here goes .......

I use Thunderbird for email on my MAC at home - but I use a Dell laptop when working away from home. 
I have recently configured laptop to use OUTLOOK wirelessly via BT BB to view my emails. 
I can receive but cannot SEND - I get variations of 
- sender error reported (ox800CCC6F) outgoing smtp server reported: 554 sorry, you non-local IP address is not allowed to send via me 

I have called my ISP /TISCALI twice for help last week- for upwards of 40 minutes on each occasion with no success at all - costly and incredibly frustrating - 

can anyone tell me what the problem is.

Thanks and regards

Nigel


 
______________________________________________________
Forget the rest, get the best jobs - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/jobs/
________________________________________________

From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Tue Dec  2 16:04:24 2008
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:04:24 +0000
Subject: Subject: [NMUG] Unable to Receive Mail
In-Reply-To: <20081202094831.4C3FD7DF49C@mail.durrant.co.uk>
References: <20081202094831.4C3FD7DF49C@mail.durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <827E6C4D-0D2F-45FB-BD87-02B7DECE1919@gmail.com>

>
> Subject: [NMUG] Unable to Receive Mail
>
> Hi
>
> I am unable to pick up mail at the moment - have to go into webmail,
> so I assume f2s is working OK. The following message comes up when I
> 'Check Mail':
>
> There may be a problem with the mail server or network. Check the
> settings for account ?f2s? or try again.
>
> The server error encountered was: The connection to the server
> ?inmail.f2s.com? on port 110 timed out.


Mail uses a POP (Point of Presence) server at your ISP, a different  
server from the webmail server.

Just because you get to your mail via your browser is not proof there  
is no problem at your ISP. Timeouts can occur if the POP server at  
your ISP is overloaded, defective or is under attack from spammers in  
a DOS (Denial Of Service) attack.. ISPs often close down POP whilst  
they reconfigure their firewalls to deny the spammer access.

In Mail, under the Window menu is an item called Connection Doctor.  
Click that

If you are connecting OK you will get a  green light against your  
Account name, otherwise you will get red dot and an error message

POP servers are not 100% reliable and they sometimes drop connections  
for a while. It often happens to both my yahoo and gmail accounts. I  
just keep trying. It's quite annoying of course.

Check the POP settings required by your ISP.. you will find this info  
on their website, under POP Settings (or something similar). Make sure  
YOUR settings in Mail agree 100%. it is possible they have changed the  
port from where Mail is set. The default is 25, which some ISPs  
disallow because it's the port spammers always try, Mail will default  
to that.

When you get settings that work, make a note of them (I use Command  
Shift 4 to take pics of all the settings and then I save these in a  
folder called POP Settings in my Docs folder.) That way you'll always  
be able to refer to them.. sometimes if your system crashes Mail can  
rest to iits defualts which may ot be right for your ISP, so you'll  
need to change them.

From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Dec  2 16:15:01 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 02 Dec 2008 16:15:01 +0000
Subject: Subject: [NMUG] Unable to Receive Mail
In-Reply-To: <827E6C4D-0D2F-45FB-BD87-02B7DECE1919@gmail.com>
References: <20081202094831.4C3FD7DF49C@mail.durrant.co.uk>
	<827E6C4D-0D2F-45FB-BD87-02B7DECE1919@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0812021615010.23853@webm10.global.net.uk>

Stefan

I thought that POP stood for Post Office Protocol?

Simon

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hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple 
Mac.


On Dec 2 2008, stefan youngs wrote:

>
> Subject: [NMUG] Unable to Receive Mail
>
> Hi
>
> I am unable to pick up mail at the moment - have to go into webmail,
> so I assume f2s is working OK. The following message comes up when I
> 'Check Mail':
>
> There may be a problem with the mail server or network. Check the
> settings for account ?f2s? or try again.
>
> The server error encountered was: The connection to the server
> ?inmail.f2s.com? on port 110 timed out.


Mail uses a POP (Point of Presence) server at your ISP, a different  
server from the webmail server.

Just because you get to your mail via your browser is not proof there  
is no problem at your ISP. Timeouts can occur if the POP server at  
your ISP is overloaded, defective or is under attack from spammers in  
a DOS (Denial Of Service) attack.. ISPs often close down POP whilst  
they reconfigure their firewalls to deny the spammer access.

In Mail, under the Window menu is an item called Connection Doctor.  
Click that

If you are connecting OK you will get a  green light against your  
Account name, otherwise you will get red dot and an error message

POP servers are not 100% reliable and they sometimes drop connections  
for a while. It often happens to both my yahoo and gmail accounts. I  
just keep trying. It's quite annoying of course.

Check the POP settings required by your ISP.. you will find this info  
on their website, under POP Settings (or something similar). Make sure  
YOUR settings in Mail agree 100%. it is possible they have changed the  
port from where Mail is set. The default is 25, which some ISPs  
disallow because it's the port spammers always try, Mail will default  
to that.

When you get settings that work, make a note of them (I use Command  
Shift 4 to take pics of all the settings and then I save these in a  
folder called POP Settings in my Docs folder.) That way you'll always  
be able to refer to them.. sometimes if your system crashes Mail can  
rest to iits defualts which may ot be right for your ISP, so you'll  
need to change them._______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
NMUG at durrant.co.uk
http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From munkt0n at gmail.com  Tue Dec  2 16:20:06 2008
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:20:06 +0000
Subject: Subject: [NMUG] Unable to Receive Mail
In-Reply-To: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0812021615010.23853@webm10.global.net.uk>
References: <20081202094831.4C3FD7DF49C@mail.durrant.co.uk>
	<827E6C4D-0D2F-45FB-BD87-02B7DECE1919@gmail.com>
	<BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0812021615010.23853@webm10.global.net.uk>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0812020820x7db3c0b3h96aa208379e25430@mail.gmail.com>

something that weasels do isn't it?

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:

> Stefan
>
> I thought that POP stood for Post Office Protocol?
>
> Simon
>
> --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades,
> hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac
> User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an
> Apple Mac.
>
>
>
> On Dec 2 2008, stefan youngs wrote:
>
>
>> Subject: [NMUG] Unable to Receive Mail
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I am unable to pick up mail at the moment - have to go into webmail,
>> so I assume f2s is working OK. The following message comes up when I
>> 'Check Mail':
>>
>> There may be a problem with the mail server or network. Check the
>> settings for account "f2s" or try again.
>>
>> The server error encountered was: The connection to the server
>> "inmail.f2s.com" on port 110 timed out.
>>
>
>
> Mail uses a POP (Point of Presence) server at your ISP, a different  server
> from the webmail server.
>
> Just because you get to your mail via your browser is not proof there  is
> no problem at your ISP. Timeouts can occur if the POP server at  your ISP is
> overloaded, defective or is under attack from spammers in  a DOS (Denial Of
> Service) attack.. ISPs often close down POP whilst  they reconfigure their
> firewalls to deny the spammer access.
>
> In Mail, under the Window menu is an item called Connection Doctor.  Click
> that
>
> If you are connecting OK you will get a  green light against your  Account
> name, otherwise you will get red dot and an error message
>
> POP servers are not 100% reliable and they sometimes drop connections  for
> a while. It often happens to both my yahoo and gmail accounts. I  just keep
> trying. It's quite annoying of course.
>
> Check the POP settings required by your ISP.. you will find this info  on
> their website, under POP Settings (or something similar). Make sure  YOUR
> settings in Mail agree 100%. it is possible they have changed the  port from
> where Mail is set. The default is 25, which some ISPs  disallow because it's
> the port spammers always try, Mail will default  to that.
>
> When you get settings that work, make a note of them (I use Command  Shift
> 4 to take pics of all the settings and then I save these in a  folder called
> POP Settings in my Docs folder.) That way you'll always  be able to refer to
> them.. sometimes if your system crashes Mail can  rest to iits defualts
> which may ot be right for your ISP, so you'll  need to change
> them._______________________________________________
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>
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-- 
:wq


From david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk  Tue Dec  2 16:32:13 2008
From: david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk (David Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:32:13 +0000
Subject: Subject: [NMUG] Unable to Receive Mail
In-Reply-To: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0812021615010.23853@webm10.global.net.uk>
References: <20081202094831.4C3FD7DF49C@mail.durrant.co.uk>
	<827E6C4D-0D2F-45FB-BD87-02B7DECE1919@gmail.com>
	<BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0812021615010.23853@webm10.global.net.uk>
Message-ID: <1B685142-25CD-4BFE-8B4D-51F24F6CE7B3@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>


On 2 Dec 2008, at 16:15, Simon Royal wrote:

> I thought that POP stood for Post Office Protocol?

It does in the email world.

-- 
David Reynolds
david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Dec  3 18:47:55 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 03 Dec 2008 18:47:55 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Hong Kong Batteries
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0812031847550.6404@webm8.global.net.uk>

Hi

Seen this on eBay wanted a few peoples thoughts.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=120343127712

?30 shipped is pretty good, but I'm not sure as it is Hong Kong.

What sort of length should you get out of a brand new battery?

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, 
hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple 
Mac.




From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Wed Dec  3 20:14:10 2008
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:14:10 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Anti-Virus For Mac...
In-Reply-To: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0812020925070.7693@webm10.global.net.uk>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0812020925070.7693@webm10.global.net.uk>
Message-ID: <F01E4E60-43E5-421E-B172-1509D5972666@virgin.net>

Sent this message this morning but it never turned up at the list so  
try again:


On Dec 2, 2008, at 09:25, Simon Royal wrote:

> Read this article this morning about Apple relaxing their views on  
> anti-virus software.
> http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/12/01/apple_now_encourages_antivirus_use_for_mac_os_x.html
> Could this be the end of Apples superiority in security?



But now we can all breathe again:

<http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10111958-37.html>

So for the moment everything is fine in the Apple world.

Paul C

From robharrington at mac.com  Wed Dec  3 18:29:52 2008
From: robharrington at mac.com (ROB HARRINGTON)
Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:29:52 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] G5 Imac slow to boot up,
	part 2 -needs a hard drive replacement
Message-ID: <5F6D10F0-767C-4D97-906A-1BCE23FD3472@mac.com>

  I've only got one chance to screw this up
so if anyone has any helpful warnings before I start I will be very  
grateful.

I have copied the entire contents of the cleaned up internal HD  
information
(with the help of  DiskWarrior ) onto an external drive.

The replacement internal hard drive has just arrived, a  Seagate 750GB
( I thought I'd get some advantage out of the imminent failure of the  
original )
When I have installed the new drive and formatted it
what is the best way to proceed?

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob



From ghowells at f2s.com  Wed Dec  3 08:34:03 2008
From: ghowells at f2s.com (G.Howells)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:34:03 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] No e-mail
In-Reply-To: <9E05D9C4-8D30-4D02-BFC5-E4D25AB78A2E@f2s.com>
References: <9E05D9C4-8D30-4D02-BFC5-E4D25AB78A2E@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <a06240800c55bf3e41dd5@[192.168.2.3]>


David

	I have been having trouble with emails and wondering if it's 
a conflict with the latest Mac OS update, but I'm with f2s too. I am 
finding that I have to quit Eudora and then restart it (not the whole 
computer!). This sometimes results in a flood of emails coming in, as 
it just has, whereas immediately before quitting there were none 
coming through.

Gordon.

>I had the same message (port 110) when I checked my f2s e-mails this morning.
>I have previously received similar messages,  port 25, port(256 I 
>think).  Recycling my router usually
>sorts out the problem but this morning only one of my two accounts cleared.
>The error message now says there is a server error on the account 
>that didn't clear.
>
>David Gregory
>dvg at f2s.com
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>NMUG mailing list
>NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Wed Dec  3 20:42:50 2008
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:42:50 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Popping my balloon
In-Reply-To: <20081203201423.B9B467DFC37@mail.durrant.co.uk>
References: <20081203201423.B9B467DFC37@mail.durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <2565402D-1AD8-4166-82BC-349C3EA5DEDF@gmail.com>

>
>
> Message: 6
> Date: 02 Dec 2008 16:15:01 +0000
> From: Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: Subject: [NMUG] Unable to Receive Mail
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> Message-ID:
> 	<BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0812021615010.23853 at webm10.global.net.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Stefan
>
> I thought that POP stood for Post Office Protocol?

Yes you're right.. pop goes my credibility



From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Wed Dec  3 20:49:25 2008
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:49:25 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Ref: Unable to send mail from remote
In-Reply-To: <20081203201423.B9B467DFC37@mail.durrant.co.uk>
References: <20081203201423.B9B467DFC37@mail.durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5782BE4C-9B29-48E5-8FAC-F851B5BF6323@gmail.com>

>
> Subject: [NMUG] Old Chestnut - PC/MAC
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
>
>
>
> Hi
> I realise this may be slightly outside the radar of NMUG but here  
> goes .......
>
> I use Thunderbird for email on my MAC at home - but I use a Dell  
> laptop when working away from home.
> I have recently configured laptop to use OUTLOOK wirelessly via BT  
> BB to view my emails.
> I can receive but cannot SEND - I get variations of
> - sender error reported (ox800CCC6F) outgoing smtp server reported:  
> 554 sorry, you non-local IP address is not allowed to send via me
>
> I have called my ISP /TISCALI twice for help last week- for upwards  
> of 40 minutes on each occasion with no success at all - costly and  
> incredibly frustrating -
>
> can anyone tell me what the problem is.


ISPs are doing strange things to stop spamming attacks whereby a rogue  
server captures a number of remote servers and uses them to forward  
mail.. this gets around the firewall SISSPs erect blocking certain IP  
addresses because these are where the spam originates... I  suspect  
your ISP has logged an originating IP address for your account and is  
blocking you when you try to send from another IP address

the way round it is to use a yahoo account to Send the mai from your  
mobile laptopl.. just get the SMTP set up info from yahoo and put that  
in your mail client as the Send info

Bollocks to Tiscali.. they are useless... they are the worst customer  
non service outfit I have ever come across...


From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Wed Dec  3 20:52:12 2008
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:52:12 +0000
Subject: Subject: [NMUG] 15" Battery
In-Reply-To: <20081203201423.B9B467DFC37@mail.durrant.co.uk>
References: <20081203201423.B9B467DFC37@mail.durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <86C8E96C-CF01-406F-9E71-36D9D23C9368@gmail.com>

>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: 02 Dec 2008 12:56:38 +0000
> From: Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Subject: [NMUG] 15" Battery
>
>
> Simon
>
> PS. is it possible to repair the one I have - replace the cells or
> something.

I suppose the next thing you'll be wondering is if it's possible to  
replace the chemicals INSIDE the cells!

No, Simon, it isn't possible to repair cells! Take a deep breath and  
reach for the wallet old son!



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Dec  3 20:59:25 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 03 Dec 2008 20:59:25 +0000
Subject: Subject: [NMUG] 15" Battery
In-Reply-To: <86C8E96C-CF01-406F-9E71-36D9D23C9368@gmail.com>
References: <20081203201423.B9B467DFC37@mail.durrant.co.uk>
	<86C8E96C-CF01-406F-9E71-36D9D23C9368@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0812032059250.25823@webm8.global.net.uk>

Stefan

My wallet only comes out on rare occasions.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, 
hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple 
Mac.


On Dec 3 2008, stefan youngs wrote:

>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: 02 Dec 2008 12:56:38 +0000
> From: Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Subject: [NMUG] 15" Battery
>
>
> Simon
>
> PS. is it possible to repair the one I have - replace the cells or
> something.

I suppose the next thing you'll be wondering is if it's possible to  
replace the chemicals INSIDE the cells!

No, Simon, it isn't possible to repair cells! Take a deep breath and  
reach for the wallet old son!

_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
NMUG at durrant.co.uk
http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Dec  2 23:02:39 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:02:39 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Sky Player... Not For Mac
Message-ID: <ACA87B6E-20D4-47CE-9866-83F934FCE892@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

Another slam for Mac users wanting TV online. I just noticed the Sky  
SkyPlayer doesn't support on the Mac.

This is getting annoying. Channel 4's On-Demand service doesn't work  
on the Mac, BBC iPlayer is sketchy and ITV (which uses Silverlight) is  
very sketchy.

Annoying, because as a BBC license payer and a Sky subscriber I feel I  
am being short changed.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
--- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5



From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Wed Dec  3 08:41:23 2008
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:41:23 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Anti-Virus For Mac...
In-Reply-To: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0812020925070.7693@webm10.global.net.uk>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0812020925070.7693@webm10.global.net.uk>
Message-ID: <FCCCEF71-689C-49FB-B3E2-6E613A1CF540@virgin.net>


On Dec 2, 2008, at 09:25, Simon Royal wrote:

> Read this article this morning about Apple relaxing their views on  
> anti-virus software.
> http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/12/01/apple_now_encourages_antivirus_use_for_mac_os_x.html
> Could this be the end of Apples superiority in security?



But now we can all breathe again:

<http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10111958-37.html>

So for the moment everything is fine in the Apple world.

Paul C

From david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk  Wed Dec  3 21:22:30 2008
From: david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk (David Reynolds)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:22:30 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Sky Player... Not For Mac
In-Reply-To: <ACA87B6E-20D4-47CE-9866-83F934FCE892@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <ACA87B6E-20D4-47CE-9866-83F934FCE892@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C0F029F8-4028-4D81-BEE2-D667376DF8BB@reynoldsfamily.org.uk>


On 2 Dec 2008, at 23:02, Simon Royal wrote:

>
> Another slam for Mac users wanting TV online. I just noticed the Sky  
> SkyPlayer doesn't support on the Mac.
>
> This is getting annoying. Channel 4's On-Demand service doesn't work  
> on the Mac, BBC iPlayer is sketchy and ITV (which uses Silverlight)  
> is very sketchy.
>
> Annoying, because as a BBC license payer and a Sky subscriber I feel  
> I am being short changed.

iPlayer works pretty well for me on my mac and iPhone...

-- 
David Reynolds
david at reynoldsfamily.org.uk



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed Dec  3 21:30:50 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:30:50 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] G5 Imac slow to boot up,
	part 2 -needs a hard drive replacement
In-Reply-To: <5F6D10F0-767C-4D97-906A-1BCE23FD3472@mac.com>
References: <5F6D10F0-767C-4D97-906A-1BCE23FD3472@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B8EED9DC-DDD4-41B8-80B8-B11DC9BF6434@durrant.co.uk>

While you could just try copying the whole disk back, I think that in  
your position I'd boot from Mac OS X install disks, format the new  
internal hard disk, and install a completely clean copy of Macs OS X.  
When rebooting from the newly installed Mac OS X, I'd use the  
Migration Assistant to get my user data from the old copy of the disk  
onto the new disk.

This might take a little longer than just copying the whole disk back,  
but it ensures that your Mac OS X system files are complete and not  
corrupted in any way.

Paul


On 3 Dec 2008, at 18:29, ROB HARRINGTON wrote:

> I've only got one chance to screw this up
> so if anyone has any helpful warnings before I start I will be very  
> grateful.
>
> I have copied the entire contents of the cleaned up internal HD  
> information
> (with the help of  DiskWarrior ) onto an external drive.
>
> The replacement internal hard drive has just arrived, a  Seagate 750GB
> ( I thought I'd get some advantage out of the imminent failure of  
> the original )
> When I have installed the new drive and formatted it
> what is the best way to proceed?
>
> RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed Dec  3 21:35:20 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:35:20 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Popping my balloon
In-Reply-To: <2565402D-1AD8-4166-82BC-349C3EA5DEDF@gmail.com>
References: <20081203201423.B9B467DFC37@mail.durrant.co.uk>
	<2565402D-1AD8-4166-82BC-349C3EA5DEDF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <33E83473-4975-4F18-9C73-6CFFCA508954@durrant.co.uk>


On 3 Dec 2008, at 20:42, stefan youngs wrote:
>> From: Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
>>
>> I thought that POP stood for Post Office Protocol?
>
> Yes you're right.. pop goes my credibility

POP does also stand for "Points Of Presence", from the early days of  
dial-up internet (say 1991) and even earlier bulletin boards  
(Compuserve, CIX, etc). Small outposts of modems and a digital pipe  
back to the central computers, provided local call access, in the days  
when national calls were a lot more expensive than local calls.

But mostly it stands for Post Office Protocol. And SMTP is Simple Mail  
Transport Protocol.

Paul


From robbiemurray at f2s.com  Wed Dec  3 21:46:44 2008
From: robbiemurray at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:46:44 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] No e-mail
In-Reply-To: <a06240800c55bf3e41dd5@[192.168.2.3]>
References: <9E05D9C4-8D30-4D02-BFC5-E4D25AB78A2E@f2s.com>
	<a06240800c55bf3e41dd5@[192.168.2.3]>
Message-ID: <C9FC135E-C220-41FB-8023-C533BB3B8DC6@f2s.com>

Hang on chaps ...

Before rushing to change anything, it's always worth checking the  
Service Status page:

http://www.freedom2surf.net/service-status/

(or just click from the home page)

The whole saga is there - there were actually 2 separate incidents  
over Monday and yesterday, both causing the same end result.

I raised a ticket after they claimed the first one was fixed, but of  
course as I had no incoming mail, didn't receive a reply ....


"Technical Support
Freedom2Surf
www.freedom2surf.net
www.nildram.net


  Customer (Robbie Murray)
02/12/2008 01.11 AM
Despite your reporting at 19:30 that the email outage had now been  
resolved, I am still without POP access to the servers for these  
accounts.
All attempts to access return a message that the connection was  
refused - see attached
This is highest priority - over 20 accounts with no access for almost  
24 Hours

Robbie Murray"




I'm on the point of leaving them - for almost 3 weeks my usual 4.4Mb  
download speed has been dropping to sub 100kbps every afternoon, and  
as usual their TechSupport tried to string me along by blaming my  
equipment, which I knew was nonsense, but despite my submitting page  
after page of Traceroute and Ping reports clearly showing packet loss  
and hops taking over 100ms, it took an email from me to Tiscali's head  
of corporate PR threatening to pass the file to Watchdog for any  
action to take place.

I now have a direct line to the head of engineering who admits their  
backhaul network is faulty, but as yet can't trace the problem.  I  
can't work after 4pm or at weekends.

f2s was a great little ISP, but the rot set in when Pipex took them  
over, and now they're all part of Tiscali, I think it's time to move  
on. It's pretty obvious that there's been no investment for several  
years, and now Tiscali are up for sale, they're pushing the limits of  
the network by desperately signing up new subscribers at ?4.49 per  
month just to boost the value of the company, and sod the loyal  
customers who have stuck by them paying over 4 times as much.

Favourites to buy the whole mess apparently are Sky, so they'll be  
cobbling 5 different systems together (Tiscali have also bought and  
destroyed Nildram).

I've got my Mac code, so I think it's goodbye from me .....

and hello to IDNET, Zen, or KeConnect


Robbie



From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Wed Dec  3 21:58:46 2008
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 21:58:46 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Copying back
In-Reply-To: <20081203213524.F2EFB7DFF43@mail.durrant.co.uk>
References: <20081203213524.F2EFB7DFF43@mail.durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <901A216B-C745-4C48-9C2A-35C362CAAD0A@gmail.com>

>
> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 18:29:52 +0000
> From: ROB HARRINGTON <robharrington at mac.com>
> Subject: [NMUG] G5 Imac slow to boot up,	part 2 -needs a hard drive
> 	replacement
>
>
>  I've only got one chance to screw this up
> so if anyone has any helpful warnings before I start I will be very
> grateful.
>
> I have copied the entire contents of the cleaned up internal HD
> information
> (with the help of  DiskWarrior ) onto an external drive.
>
> The replacement internal hard drive has just arrived, a  Seagate 750GB
> ( I thought I'd get some advantage out of the imminent failure of the
> original )
> When I have installed the new drive and formatted it
> what is the best way to proceed?

Isn't this what Carbon Copy Cloner does?

Install the system onto the new internal then CC the folders you want

http://lifehacker.com/software/backup-utilities/download-of-the-day--carbon-copy-cloner-mac-238343.php

Download of the Day: Carbon Copy Cloner (Mac)
By Gina Trapani, 8:30 AM on Wed Feb 21 2007, 8,372 views
Mac only: Backup utility Carbon Copy Cloner makes a byte-by-byte copy  
of your Mac's entire hard drive, or backs up folders and files you  
choose on a schedule.

From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Wed Dec  3 22:13:41 2008
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:13:41 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] POP in for a cuppa
In-Reply-To: <20081203213524.F2EFB7DFF43@mail.durrant.co.uk>
References: <20081203213524.F2EFB7DFF43@mail.durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <34885FBF-CC3B-4F46-AA68-274DB1ACC776@gmail.com>

>
> From: Paul Durrant <paul at durrant.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Popping my balloon
> POP does also stand for "Points Of Presence", from the early days of
> dial-up internet (say 1991) and even earlier bulletin boards
> (Compuserve, CIX, etc). Small outposts of modems and a digital pipe
> back to the central computers, provided local call access, in the days
> when national calls were a lot more expensive than local calls.
>


Yes, this is right.. POP was always Point Of Presence when I started  
with the Internet, when it first arrived outside Universities etc.  
because mail was to be found at a designated server, which was the  
Point Of Presence so far as you the user was concerned. It still is in  
fact.. POP designates the hardware where your mail resides.. POP3 is  
the software you can use to retrieve it.. (of course you can also use  
IMAP these days in place of POP3, butyou'll still be connecting to a  
POP.. geddit?)

Ah! one can always rely on NMUG for a trip down memory lane... now,  
about my abacus...



From ed at mendelsohn.me.uk  Thu Dec  4 08:44:07 2008
From: ed at mendelsohn.me.uk (Ed & Phyll Mendelsohn)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:44:07 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] No e-mail
In-Reply-To: <9E05D9C4-8D30-4D02-BFC5-E4D25AB78A2E@f2s.com>
References: <9E05D9C4-8D30-4D02-BFC5-E4D25AB78A2E@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <71347A06-60E1-4DFE-AB3E-31A6CA170425@mendelsohn.me.uk>

Hi

We are now receiving emails and it would appear that  f2s have sorted  
out their problems for the moment.

I must say that on the odd occasion that I have needed to contact  
their Technical Support they have been very helpful, completely mac  
savvy and sorted out my problem.

Phyll



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Dec  4 09:12:12 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 04 Dec 2008 09:12:12 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Cheap PC
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0812040912120.11279@webm6.global.net.uk>

Hi

I know this isn't Mac related but I need some help urgently - and you guys 
are always helpful.

My wife is looking at doing some courses and requires a Windows machine, if 
that isn't bad enough according to the course providers the minimum spec 
needed is a 2.2Ghz machine with 512MB (1GB recommended), which I thought 
was ridiculously high for minimum specs.

Where is the cheapest place to get one - it has to be dirt cheap or does 
anyone have one for sale.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, 
hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple 
Mac.




From tape.modern at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Dec  4 12:33:18 2008
From: tape.modern at yahoo.co.uk (tape.modern at yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:33:18 +0100
Subject: [NMUG] Cheap PC
Message-ID: <20081204123447.233340@gmx.com>




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Dec  4 13:00:42 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu,  4 Dec 2008 13:00:42 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] eMac For Sale
Message-ID: <0HD1H2yy0SWZ.L2Fdg2cZ@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi. I am selling my lovely eMac.

It is a 1.25Ghz model, with upgraded 80GB hard drive, Pioneer 106 SuperDrive, 1GB of RAM and Airport Extreme. This is the model with USB 2.

I need a quick sale as my wife is starting a course and it needs a PC.

It is in good condition, a few marks and some burn in on screen but not really noticeable.

It is a lovely machine and I will hate to see it go. ?150 or offers.

Simon


--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71)



From peter.hunter1 at sky.com  Thu Dec  4 23:49:19 2008
From: peter.hunter1 at sky.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 23:49:19 -0000
Subject: [NMUG] Cheap PC
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0812040912120.11279@webm6.global.net.uk>
Message-ID: <001901c9566b$4bb089c0$0300a8c0@peter225c44749>

Hi Simon,

I'm amazed that you are even thinking of buying one. Surely the best course 
of action would be to buy the bits and build your own, to your own spec. In 
which case Anglian Internet on Roundtree Way is the best place in Norwich 
for prices.

Peter

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Simon Royal" <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
To: <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 9:12 AM
Subject: [NMUG] Cheap PC


> Hi
>
> I know this isn't Mac related but I need some help urgently - and you guys 
> are always helpful.
>
> My wife is looking at doing some courses and requires a Windows machine, 
> if that isn't bad enough according to the course providers the minimum 
> spec needed is a 2.2Ghz machine with 512MB (1GB recommended), which I 
> thought was ridiculously high for minimum specs.
>
> Where is the cheapest place to get one - it has to be dirt cheap or does 
> anyone have one for sale.
>
> Simon
>
> --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, 
> hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac 
> User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an 
> Apple Mac.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug 



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Dec  5 22:34:38 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 05 Dec 2008 22:34:38 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Mixed Network Storage
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0812052234380.21268@webm8.global.net.uk>

Hi

I know I have kind of asked this question before but the requirements have 
changed.

I currently access a 120GB hard drive with all my music and shared files 
which sits in an external firewire case attached to my eMac. When I need 
something off it from my PowerBook I simply 'apple K' and connect to it, 
which has worked fine. Networking is so easy from Mac to Mac.

However, my wife needs a PC laptop for some courses and so the eMac is 
being sold to fund it.

What's the best way to set up some kind of mass storage for both machines. 
I pressume a network drive connected to router would be the easiest, but I 
know PCs have trouble with HFS+ formatted drives and Macs have trouble with 
NTFS drives.

So what's the best option for me to be able to access my files (music, disc 
images and anything else) from both Windows XP/Vista and Mac OSX 
Tiger/Leopard?

Simon --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, 
upgrades, hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for 
Norwich Mac User Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I 
bought an Apple Mac.




From ian at igdesign.co.uk  Sat Dec  6 06:03:27 2008
From: ian at igdesign.co.uk (Ian Garrett)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 06:03:27 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Hard drive for G4 Power book
Message-ID: <2B16DC3B-51C9-40F9-BA6F-4FEB7E1525D8@igdesign.co.uk>

Hi All

I want to put a larger hard drive in my PowerBook G4 15" 1.5GHz,  
bought Sept 2005.

I think the drive in it is ATA/IDE, but many of the larger ones seem  
to be SATA. Where can I find out which drives are compatible?

I had instructions for installing a hard drive in my old G3 Powerbook  
which I downloaded from the Web. Does anyone know where I can find  
instruction for installing a new drive in a G4 Powerbook? The Users'  
Guide has nothing to say about this.

Regards,
Ian


From robbiemurray at f2s.com  Sat Dec  6 08:09:25 2008
From: robbiemurray at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 08:09:25 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Hard drive for G4 Power book
In-Reply-To: <2B16DC3B-51C9-40F9-BA6F-4FEB7E1525D8@igdesign.co.uk>
References: <2B16DC3B-51C9-40F9-BA6F-4FEB7E1525D8@igdesign.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3F607204-40EE-418C-870A-ED2C471C971B@f2s.com>

'zis the one?

http://tinyurl.com/6zhtop

Robbie

On 6 Dec 2008, at 06:03, Ian Garrett wrote:

Hi All

I want to put a larger hard drive in my PowerBook G4 15" 1.5GHz,  
bought Sept 2005.

I think the drive in it is ATA/IDE, but many of the larger ones seem  
to be SATA. Where can I find out which drives are compatible?

I had instructions for installing a hard drive in my old G3 Powerbook  
which I downloaded from the Web. Does anyone know where I can find  
instruction for installing a new drive in a G4 Powerbook? The Users'  
Guide has nothing to say about this.

Regards,
Ian
_______________________________________________
NMUG mailing list
NMUG at durrant.co.uk
http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


Robbie Murray
robbiemurray at f2s.com
01603-620749
01603-516175
07882-007667




From robbiemurray at f2s.com  Sat Dec  6 10:01:55 2008
From: robbiemurray at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:01:55 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Hard drive for G4 Power book
In-Reply-To: <46D83AA6-DC85-4808-AC8A-E07AF26EAEB1@igdesign.co.uk>
References: <2B16DC3B-51C9-40F9-BA6F-4FEB7E1525D8@igdesign.co.uk>
	<3F607204-40EE-418C-870A-ED2C471C971B@f2s.com>
	<46D83AA6-DC85-4808-AC8A-E07AF26EAEB1@igdesign.co.uk>
Message-ID: <97EDE553-23B7-4544-BA0C-63E0D9CF9975@f2s.com>

try here:

http://www.macupgrades.co.uk/store/

On 6 Dec 2008, at 08:31, Ian Garrett wrote:

'zatsit! Many zanks!

Any ideas on the ATA/SATA issue?

Regards,
Ian


On 6 Dec , at Sat 06 Dec, 08:09:25, Robbie Murray wrote:

> 'zis the one?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6zhtop
>
> Robbie
>
> On 6 Dec 2008, at 06:03, Ian Garrett wrote:
>
> Hi All
>
> I want to put a larger hard drive in my PowerBook G4 15" 1.5GHz,  
> bought Sept 2005.
>
> I think the drive in it is ATA/IDE, but many of the larger ones seem  
> to be SATA. Where can I find out which drives are compatible?
>
> I had instructions for installing a hard drive in my old G3  
> Powerbook which I downloaded from the Web. Does anyone know where I  
> can find instruction for installing a new drive in a G4 Powerbook?  
> The Users' Guide has nothing to say about this.
>
> Regards,
> Ian
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
> Robbie Murray
> robbiemurray at f2s.com
> 01603-620749
> 01603-516175
> 07882-007667
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



Robbie Murray
robbiemurray at f2s.com
01603-620749
01603-516175
07882-007667




From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sat Dec  6 10:11:31 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 10:11:31 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Mixed Network Storage
In-Reply-To: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0812052234380.21268@webm8.global.net.uk>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0812052234380.21268@webm8.global.net.uk>
Message-ID: <8528E310-6978-4CC8-BC4A-4FD2C565F2E2@durrant.co.uk>

The network storage device handles the formatting of the drive - the  
networked computers never see the raw drive, just the network  
representation of it.

I don't know what network storage options you have to hand, but the  
formatting of the disk shouldn't be an issue.

Paul

On 5 Dec 2008, at 22:34, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> I know I have kind of asked this question before but the  
> requirements have changed.
>
> I currently access a 120GB hard drive with all my music and shared  
> files which sits in an external firewire case attached to my eMac.  
> When I need something off it from my PowerBook I simply 'apple K'  
> and connect to it, which has worked fine. Networking is so easy from  
> Mac to Mac.
>
> However, my wife needs a PC laptop for some courses and so the eMac  
> is being sold to fund it.
>
> What's the best way to set up some kind of mass storage for both  
> machines. I pressume a network drive connected to router would be  
> the easiest, but I know PCs have trouble with HFS+ formatted drives  
> and Macs have trouble with NTFS drives.
>
> So what's the best option for me to be able to access my files  
> (music, disc images and anything else) from both Windows XP/Vista  
> and Mac OSX Tiger/Leopard?



From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Sat Dec  6 12:19:48 2008
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:19:48 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] ATA and SATA
In-Reply-To: <20081206120003.109437E1965@mail.durrant.co.uk>
References: <20081206120003.109437E1965@mail.durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <25A99A07-0F7C-41CE-9D26-C45EA96C2F56@gmail.com>

>
> From: Ian Garrett <ian at igdesign.co.uk>
> Subject: [NMUG] Hard drive for G4 Power book
>
>
> Hi All
>
> I want to put a larger hard drive in my PowerBook G4 15" 1.5GHz,
> bought Sept 2005.
>
> I think the drive in it is ATA/IDE, but many of the larger ones seem
> to be SATA. Where can I find out which drives are compatible?
>

These have completely different connectors and are not  
interchangeable. You must check the spec for the PowerBook you have  
(apple site should tell you this) and get the appropriate drive

PowerBook info might be found here

http://www.pbfanatic.co.uk/

fitting info
http://www.macupgrades.co.uk/store/faq-hdd.php

Other World Computer (OWC) http://www.macsales.com/  has always proven  
to be a great and definitive source of info for me.. these guys know  
their onions





From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Sat Dec  6 12:31:14 2008
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:31:14 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] ATA and SATA
In-Reply-To: <25A99A07-0F7C-41CE-9D26-C45EA96C2F56@gmail.com>
References: <20081206120003.109437E1965@mail.durrant.co.uk>
	<25A99A07-0F7C-41CE-9D26-C45EA96C2F56@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BFC74D18-0489-4812-B579-68B67C536CB0@virgin.net>


On Dec 6, 2008, at 12:19, stefan youngs wrote:
> These have completely different connectors and are not  
> interchangeable. You must check the spec for the PowerBook you have  
> (apple site should tell you this) and get the appropriate drive
> PowerBook info might be found here
> http://www.pbfanatic.co.uk/

To know exactly what the HD is in the PowerBook just go to 'About This  
Mac' (top left in the Apple menu) then click on 'More info'. It will  
list the ATA drives and the SATA drives so you will be able to see  
without doubt what the HD is in the PowerBook.

Of course this might be useless if I missed a previous message which  
said the PowerBook wasn't working at the moment!

Paul C





From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat Dec  6 13:31:21 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:31:21 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Mixed Network Storage
In-Reply-To: <8528E310-6978-4CC8-BC4A-4FD2C565F2E2@durrant.co.uk>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0812052234380.21268@webm8.global.net.uk>
	<8528E310-6978-4CC8-BC4A-4FD2C565F2E2@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <50053C77-50A2-4301-9D11-5C42C2B9366C@simonroyal.co.uk>

Paul

At present I have no network storage options. I have a hard drive in  
an external firewire case attached to me eMac.

The problem will arise because we will not have a desktop machine  
after Monday. So I will need something that doesn't need to be  
connected physically to a machine.

I have seen around external cases that have ethernet ports on them so  
I assume you plug these into your router.

Simon

On 6 Dec 2008, at 10:11, Paul Durrant wrote:

> The network storage device handles the formatting of the drive - the  
> networked computers never see the raw drive, just the network  
> representation of it.
>
> I don't know what network storage options you have to hand, but the  
> formatting of the disk shouldn't be an issue.
>
> Paul
>
> On 5 Dec 2008, at 22:34, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I know I have kind of asked this question before but the  
>> requirements have changed.
>>
>> I currently access a 120GB hard drive with all my music and shared  
>> files which sits in an external firewire case attached to my eMac.  
>> When I need something off it from my PowerBook I simply 'apple K'  
>> and connect to it, which has worked fine. Networking is so easy  
>> from Mac to Mac.
>>
>> However, my wife needs a PC laptop for some courses and so the eMac  
>> is being sold to fund it.
>>
>> What's the best way to set up some kind of mass storage for both  
>> machines. I pressume a network drive connected to router would be  
>> the easiest, but I know PCs have trouble with HFS+ formatted drives  
>> and Macs have trouble with NTFS drives.
>>
>> So what's the best option for me to be able to access my files  
>> (music, disc images and anything else) from both Windows XP/Vista  
>> and Mac OSX Tiger/Leopard?
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
--- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat Dec  6 19:56:29 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 19:56:29 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Largest Drive For PowerBook G4?
Message-ID: <396ECC5E-DA2B-4952-BB71-17BAA591CD3B@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

What's the biggest IDE/ATA drive I can put in my PowerBook G4. I don't  
think it suffers from the LBA48 problem, so I could go over the 120GB  
limit.

Is the biggest drive 750GB?

Also I remember someone directing me to a site that will convert your  
optical drive space into a second hard drive bay.

I was wondering how many GB or TB I could cram into this machine.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
--- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat Dec  6 21:02:45 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 21:02:45 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Advent On Currys
Message-ID: <D4477D6C-32DE-4167-B377-9107EC08A614@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I was looking on the Currys website. They have a small netbook on  
there from Advent.

The background image sure does look like Apples default background  
from Panther/Tiger, but it is listed with XP.

http://www.currys.co.uk/martprd/product/seo/735584

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
--- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5



From robharrington at mac.com  Sat Dec  6 21:05:54 2008
From: robharrington at mac.com (ROB HARRINGTON)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 21:05:54 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] GBs
Message-ID: <029E8431-35E2-48E2-B36F-B0D34824C33C@mac.com>

Having successfully installed my new Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 750GB  
3.5 SATA11 32MB
onto my G5 Imac
I note that it is displayed on my computer as 698GB.
If one keeps a sensible margin free as well that is a serious  
shortfall in GB.
How does this happen?

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRob


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sat Dec  6 22:58:49 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 22:58:49 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] GBs
In-Reply-To: <029E8431-35E2-48E2-B36F-B0D34824C33C@mac.com>
References: <029E8431-35E2-48E2-B36F-B0D34824C33C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <598B90A6-E659-430D-B469-5E79B32306C0@durrant.co.uk>

Disk manufacturers give disk sizes in units based on powers of ten.

750GB = 750 * 10^9 = 750,000,000,000 Bytes

The Mac OS X operating system gives disk sizes in units based on  
powers of 2

698GiB = 698 * 2^30 = 749,471,793,152 Bytes

So that 750GB disk is really 698GiB

regards,

Paul


On 6 Dec 2008, at 21:05, ROB HARRINGTON wrote:

> Having successfully installed my new Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 750GB  
> 3.5 SATA11 32MB
> onto my G5 Imac
> I note that it is displayed on my computer as 698GB.
> If one keeps a sensible margin free as well that is a serious  
> shortfall in GB.
> How does this happen?



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Dec  7 15:07:06 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:07:06 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] eMac vs PowerBook - iTunes Visualiser
Message-ID: <6D43A74E-5921-48AB-AA74-C334D2CD7DE0@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I installed Leopard on my eMac 1.25Ghz with 1GB of RAM. Whilst playing  
some music in iTunes I turned on the visualiser - my kids like it. It  
was extremely jerky. I put this down to Leopard on a lower end Mac.

I have Leopard on my PowerBook G4 867Mhz with 768MB of RAM. I ran  
iTunes and the visualiser on this and it is as smooth as anything.

So what gives with the eMac?

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
--- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5



From sc at davidviner.com  Sun Dec  7 15:38:13 2008
From: sc at davidviner.com (SC)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:38:13 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Dead LC
Message-ID: <493BEDE5.2020408@davidviner.com>

Hi

I've just joined the group as I'd posted a "wanted" on Freecycle for Mac 
LC parts. Simon Royal replied (thanks Simon!) and introduced me to the 
group as a possible source for spares or help.

I've been given a 1990 vintage LC. Unfortunately, it doesn't boot up and 
looks like it's got a dead/faulty PSU. The PSU, a TDK branded unit, just 
makes a quiet ticking ticking noise and the measured voltages on the 
pins are way too low:

Orange wire: 0.6V
Yellow wire: 0.7V
Blue wire: -1.2V

(all voltages measured off-load)

I was thinking that I could rig up a PC PSU to supply the correct 
+12/+5/-5V supplies but wasn't sure of the correct connections. I 
presume that the blue should be the -5V but which out of the 
orange/yellow is the +12V and +5V?

I recently asked the same question on the Google Vintage Mac group and 
was told that a dead PRAM battery can also affect things. Someone there 
said that the PSU won't power up unless the PRAM battery is good, 
however someone else said that this was not the case for the LC model.

Can anyone help?

Thanks

David
www.davidviner.com




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Dec  7 16:02:18 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:02:18 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Dead LC
In-Reply-To: <493BEDE5.2020408@davidviner.com>
References: <493BEDE5.2020408@davidviner.com>
Message-ID: <3BEAC7AB-4426-485F-985F-4CAC8C2A86C8@simonroyal.co.uk>

David

Welcome to our group.

Simon
On 7 Dec 2008, at 15:38, SC wrote:

> Hi
>
> I've just joined the group as I'd posted a "wanted" on Freecycle for  
> Mac LC parts. Simon Royal replied (thanks Simon!) and introduced me  
> to the group as a possible source for spares or help.
>
> I've been given a 1990 vintage LC. Unfortunately, it doesn't boot up  
> and looks like it's got a dead/faulty PSU. The PSU, a TDK branded  
> unit, just makes a quiet ticking ticking noise and the measured  
> voltages on the pins are way too low:
>
> Orange wire: 0.6V
> Yellow wire: 0.7V
> Blue wire: -1.2V
>
> (all voltages measured off-load)
>
> I was thinking that I could rig up a PC PSU to supply the correct  
> +12/+5/-5V supplies but wasn't sure of the correct connections. I  
> presume that the blue should be the -5V but which out of the orange/ 
> yellow is the +12V and +5V?
>
> I recently asked the same question on the Google Vintage Mac group  
> and was told that a dead PRAM battery can also affect things.  
> Someone there said that the PSU won't power up unless the PRAM  
> battery is good, however someone else said that this was not the  
> case for the LC model.
>
> Can anyone help?
>
> Thanks
>
> David
> www.davidviner.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

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--- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5



From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Sun Dec  7 16:46:13 2008
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:46:13 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] G4 Powerbook Cardboard Carry Box Free
Message-ID: <4A581097-7A16-44F0-B0D7-549CEF95F1DF@gmail.com>

This is the Apple shipping box for the 17 inch Powerbook G4, with  
plastic handle. Bottom styrofoam fitting included.

Ideal if you sell your G4 and need to ship it.

Free to anyone who wants it before it goes to its final resting place 


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sun Dec  7 17:09:02 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:09:02 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Dead LC
In-Reply-To: <493BEDE5.2020408@davidviner.com>
References: <493BEDE5.2020408@davidviner.com>
Message-ID: <AD3AB31C-9CFF-4B94-BFDB-F0C4670221EE@durrant.co.uk>

Hi David,

I have certainly seen apparently dead LCs come back to life with a new  
PRAM battery. But in those cases, I think it was more a logic board  
failing to start up rather than the power supply. However - it's worth  
a try.

I'm sorry - I have no info about the power supply output. It might be  
possible to check on the motherboard - perhaps the tracks from the  
power supply connector are labelled? Also, the +12V is probably only  
for the hard disk - perhaps that's a way to find out which is which.

regards,

Paul

On 7 Dec 2008, at 15:38, SC wrote:

> Hi
>
> I've just joined the group as I'd posted a "wanted" on Freecycle for  
> Mac LC parts. Simon Royal replied (thanks Simon!) and introduced me  
> to the group as a possible source for spares or help.
>
> I've been given a 1990 vintage LC. Unfortunately, it doesn't boot up  
> and looks like it's got a dead/faulty PSU. The PSU, a TDK branded  
> unit, just makes a quiet ticking ticking noise and the measured  
> voltages on the pins are way too low:
>
> Orange wire: 0.6V
> Yellow wire: 0.7V
> Blue wire: -1.2V
>
> (all voltages measured off-load)
>
> I was thinking that I could rig up a PC PSU to supply the correct  
> +12/+5/-5V supplies but wasn't sure of the correct connections. I  
> presume that the blue should be the -5V but which out of the orange/ 
> yellow is the +12V and +5V?
>
> I recently asked the same question on the Google Vintage Mac group  
> and was told that a dead PRAM battery can also affect things.  
> Someone there said that the PSU won't power up unless the PRAM  
> battery is good, however someone else said that this was not the  
> case for the LC model.
>
> Can anyone help?
>
> Thanks
>
> David
> www.davidviner.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



From sc at davidviner.com  Sun Dec  7 19:53:09 2008
From: sc at davidviner.com (SC)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:53:09 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Dead LC
In-Reply-To: <AD3AB31C-9CFF-4B94-BFDB-F0C4670221EE@durrant.co.uk>
References: <493BEDE5.2020408@davidviner.com>
	<AD3AB31C-9CFF-4B94-BFDB-F0C4670221EE@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <493C29A5.9060001@davidviner.com>

Thanks Paul

> I have certainly seen apparently dead LCs come back to life with a new 
> PRAM battery. But in those cases, I think it was more a logic board 
> failing to start up rather than the power supply. However - it's worth 
> a try.

Yes, I do intend picking up a new PRAM battery and trying that first 
(the one in my old original iMac is almost as dead so I need to get one 
anyway). Where's the best place to buy them? Apparently Maplins do them 
at ?6.49 - anyone else do them?

> I'm sorry - I have no info about the power supply output. It might be 
> possible to check on the motherboard - perhaps the tracks from the 
> power supply connector are labelled? Also, the +12V is probably only 
> for the hard disk - perhaps that's a way to find out which is which.

Ah, good point about the hard disk +12V - I will see if I can follow the 
tracks back.

Cheers

David


From robbiemurray at f2s.com  Sun Dec  7 20:14:19 2008
From: robbiemurray at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:14:19 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Dead LC
In-Reply-To: <493C29A5.9060001@davidviner.com>
References: <493BEDE5.2020408@davidviner.com>
	<AD3AB31C-9CFF-4B94-BFDB-F0C4670221EE@durrant.co.uk>
	<493C29A5.9060001@davidviner.com>
Message-ID: <2A8C9AF4-12A1-43BC-B6B5-ABFB017C25BD@f2s.com>

You'll find them on eBay for about ?3.50, but by the time you add P&P,  
it won't represent much of a saving over Maplin, and at least with  
them you know who you're dealing with!

It's a 3.6V lithium half AA size.

I remember them being ?19.00 if you bought from an Apple authorised  
reseller .....






On 7 Dec 2008, at 19:53, SC wrote:

Thanks Paul

> I have certainly seen apparently dead LCs come back to life with a  
> new PRAM battery. But in those cases, I think it was more a logic  
> board failing to start up rather than the power supply. However -  
> it's worth a try.

Yes, I do intend picking up a new PRAM battery and trying that first  
(the one in my old original iMac is almost as dead so I need to get  
one anyway). Where's the best place to buy them? Apparently Maplins do  
them at ?6.49 - anyone else do them?

> I'm sorry - I have no info about the power supply output. It might  
> be possible to check on the motherboard - perhaps the tracks from  
> the power supply connector are labelled? Also, the +12V is probably  
> only for the hard disk - perhaps that's a way to find out which is  
> which.

Ah, good point about the hard disk +12V - I will see if I can follow  
the tracks back.

Cheers

David
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07882-007667




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Dec  7 21:52:52 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:52:52 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] I Miss My Intel iMac
Message-ID: <3CEAE136-AD05-467A-A8CF-038728EBB80B@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I have been fairly happy with my eMac, it is very nippy at most  
things, but I have just realised where the Intel iMac stormed ahead.

I am converting some FLV files into 3GP to put on my mobile and oh boy  
is my eMac slow in comparison.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
--- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Dec  7 22:11:52 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:11:52 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] More RAM?
References: <3792D9A1-9E56-416F-BC25-9EC187F64D66@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5343E171-9EAB-43A3-9A38-4CAAF7D08613@simonroyal.co.uk>

> Hi
>
> I have a PowerBook G4 867Mhz and it is running Leopard. It has 768MB  
> of RAM and maxes out at 1GB of RAM.
>
> It runs Leopard very well - to which I am quite surprised at. Would  
> upping the RAM to 1GB (via removing the 256MB and replacing it with  
> a 512MB) make a noticeable difference in performance?
>
> RAM for these are quite expensive and I want to know if it is worth  
> it.
>
> Simon


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Dec  8 07:51:18 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 07:51:18 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] More RAM?
In-Reply-To: <5343E171-9EAB-43A3-9A38-4CAAF7D08613@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <3792D9A1-9E56-416F-BC25-9EC187F64D66@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<5343E171-9EAB-43A3-9A38-4CAAF7D08613@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <B745D096-FBA3-4C98-A491-41561EEF333F@durrant.co.uk>

Probably not. Unless you're running an application that is otherwise  
swapping out to disk.

Paul

On 7 Dec 2008, at 22:11, Simon Royal wrote:

>> Hi
>>
>> I have a PowerBook G4 867Mhz and it is running Leopard. It has  
>> 768MB of RAM and maxes out at 1GB of RAM.
>>
>> It runs Leopard very well - to which I am quite surprised at. Would  
>> upping the RAM to 1GB (via removing the 256MB and replacing it with  
>> a 512MB) make a noticeable difference in performance?
>>
>> RAM for these are quite expensive and I want to know if it is worth  
>> it.
>>


From munkt0n at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 08:57:37 2008
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:57:37 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] eMac vs PowerBook - iTunes Visualiser
In-Reply-To: <6D43A74E-5921-48AB-AA74-C334D2CD7DE0@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <6D43A74E-5921-48AB-AA74-C334D2CD7DE0@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0812080057r267170f4o4765acda82546e23@mail.gmail.com>

rubbish graphics card with no hardware acceleration maybe?

On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi
>
> I installed Leopard on my eMac 1.25Ghz with 1GB of RAM. Whilst playing some
> music in iTunes I turned on the visualiser - my kids like it. It was
> extremely jerky. I put this down to Leopard on a lower end Mac.
>
> I have Leopard on my PowerBook G4 867Mhz with 768MB of RAM. I ran iTunes
> and the visualiser on this and it is as smooth as anything.
>
> So what gives with the eMac?
>
> Simon
>
> --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
> --- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net  Mon Dec  8 09:35:29 2008
From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:35:29 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Re: NMUG Digest, Vol 59, Issue 10
In-Reply-To: <20081208085744.2C2AB7E2E13@mail.durrant.co.uk>
References: <20081208085744.2C2AB7E2E13@mail.durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <E5CEFF81-3FEC-429D-B0D3-BD1F782A53B1@virgin.net>

Re 'dead' LC. Check both poles of the power switch. I have an old LC  
475 and this switch failed on both poles (one 5 years ago and the  
other last week). Check with a meter and if open circuit just by-pass  
switch.

Ken Arnoldi

On 8 Dec 2008, at 08:57, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:

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>   1. eMac vs PowerBook - iTunes Visualiser (Simon Royal)
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>   3. Re: Dead LC (Simon Royal)
>   4. G4 Powerbook Cardboard Carry Box Free (stefan youngs)
>   5. Re: Dead LC (Paul Durrant)
>   6. Re: Dead LC (SC)
>   7. Re: Dead LC (Robbie Murray)
>   8. I Miss My Intel iMac (Simon Royal)
>   9. More RAM? (Simon Royal)
>  10. Re: More RAM? (Paul Durrant)
>  11. Re: eMac vs PowerBook - iTunes Visualiser (Scott Matthews)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:07:06 +0000
> From: Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Subject: [NMUG] eMac vs PowerBook - iTunes Visualiser
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> Message-ID: <6D43A74E-5921-48AB-AA74-C334D2CD7DE0 at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> Hi
>
> I installed Leopard on my eMac 1.25Ghz with 1GB of RAM. Whilst playing
> some music in iTunes I turned on the visualiser - my kids like it. It
> was extremely jerky. I put this down to Leopard on a lower end Mac.
>
> I have Leopard on my PowerBook G4 867Mhz with 768MB of RAM. I ran
> iTunes and the visualiser on this and it is as smooth as anything.
>
> So what gives with the eMac?
>
> Simon
>
> --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
> --- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:38:13 +0000
> From: SC <sc at davidviner.com>
> Subject: [NMUG] Dead LC
> To: Norwich Mac User Group <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Message-ID: <493BEDE5.2020408 at davidviner.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi
>
> I've just joined the group as I'd posted a "wanted" on Freecycle for  
> Mac
> LC parts. Simon Royal replied (thanks Simon!) and introduced me to the
> group as a possible source for spares or help.
>
> I've been given a 1990 vintage LC. Unfortunately, it doesn't boot up  
> and
> looks like it's got a dead/faulty PSU. The PSU, a TDK branded unit,  
> just
> makes a quiet ticking ticking noise and the measured voltages on the
> pins are way too low:
>
> Orange wire: 0.6V
> Yellow wire: 0.7V
> Blue wire: -1.2V
>
> (all voltages measured off-load)
>
> I was thinking that I could rig up a PC PSU to supply the correct
> +12/+5/-5V supplies but wasn't sure of the correct connections. I
> presume that the blue should be the -5V but which out of the
> orange/yellow is the +12V and +5V?
>
> I recently asked the same question on the Google Vintage Mac group and
> was told that a dead PRAM battery can also affect things. Someone  
> there
> said that the PSU won't power up unless the PRAM battery is good,
> however someone else said that this was not the case for the LC model.
>
> Can anyone help?
>
> Thanks
>
> David
> www.davidviner.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:02:18 +0000
> From: Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Dead LC
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> Message-ID: <3BEAC7AB-4426-485F-985F-4CAC8C2A86C8 at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> David
>
> Welcome to our group.
>
> Simon
> On 7 Dec 2008, at 15:38, SC wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I've just joined the group as I'd posted a "wanted" on Freecycle for
>> Mac LC parts. Simon Royal replied (thanks Simon!) and introduced me
>> to the group as a possible source for spares or help.
>>
>> I've been given a 1990 vintage LC. Unfortunately, it doesn't boot up
>> and looks like it's got a dead/faulty PSU. The PSU, a TDK branded
>> unit, just makes a quiet ticking ticking noise and the measured
>> voltages on the pins are way too low:
>>
>> Orange wire: 0.6V
>> Yellow wire: 0.7V
>> Blue wire: -1.2V
>>
>> (all voltages measured off-load)
>>
>> I was thinking that I could rig up a PC PSU to supply the correct
>> +12/+5/-5V supplies but wasn't sure of the correct connections. I
>> presume that the blue should be the -5V but which out of the orange/
>> yellow is the +12V and +5V?
>>
>> I recently asked the same question on the Google Vintage Mac group
>> and was told that a dead PRAM battery can also affect things.
>> Someone there said that the PSU won't power up unless the PRAM
>> battery is good, however someone else said that this was not the
>> case for the LC model.
>>
>> Can anyone help?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> David
>> www.davidviner.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
> --- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:46:13 +0000
> From: stefan youngs <stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com>
> Subject: [NMUG] G4 Powerbook Cardboard Carry Box Free
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> Message-ID: <4A581097-7A16-44F0-B0D7-549CEF95F1DF at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> This is the Apple shipping box for the 17 inch Powerbook G4, with
> plastic handle. Bottom styrofoam fitting included.
>
> Ideal if you sell your G4 and need to ship it.
>
> Free to anyone who wants it before it goes to its final resting place
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:09:02 +0000
> From: Paul Durrant <paul at durrant.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Dead LC
> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Message-ID: <AD3AB31C-9CFF-4B94-BFDB-F0C4670221EE at durrant.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> Hi David,
>
> I have certainly seen apparently dead LCs come back to life with a new
> PRAM battery. But in those cases, I think it was more a logic board
> failing to start up rather than the power supply. However - it's worth
> a try.
>
> I'm sorry - I have no info about the power supply output. It might be
> possible to check on the motherboard - perhaps the tracks from the
> power supply connector are labelled? Also, the +12V is probably only
> for the hard disk - perhaps that's a way to find out which is which.
>
> regards,
>
> Paul
>
> On 7 Dec 2008, at 15:38, SC wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I've just joined the group as I'd posted a "wanted" on Freecycle for
>> Mac LC parts. Simon Royal replied (thanks Simon!) and introduced me
>> to the group as a possible source for spares or help.
>>
>> I've been given a 1990 vintage LC. Unfortunately, it doesn't boot up
>> and looks like it's got a dead/faulty PSU. The PSU, a TDK branded
>> unit, just makes a quiet ticking ticking noise and the measured
>> voltages on the pins are way too low:
>>
>> Orange wire: 0.6V
>> Yellow wire: 0.7V
>> Blue wire: -1.2V
>>
>> (all voltages measured off-load)
>>
>> I was thinking that I could rig up a PC PSU to supply the correct
>> +12/+5/-5V supplies but wasn't sure of the correct connections. I
>> presume that the blue should be the -5V but which out of the orange/
>> yellow is the +12V and +5V?
>>
>> I recently asked the same question on the Google Vintage Mac group
>> and was told that a dead PRAM battery can also affect things.
>> Someone there said that the PSU won't power up unless the PRAM
>> battery is good, however someone else said that this was not the
>> case for the LC model.
>>
>> Can anyone help?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> David
>> www.davidviner.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:53:09 +0000
> From: SC <sc at davidviner.com>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Dead LC
> To: Paul Durrant <paul at durrant.co.uk>
> Cc: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Message-ID: <493C29A5.9060001 at davidviner.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Thanks Paul
>
>> I have certainly seen apparently dead LCs come back to life with a  
>> new
>> PRAM battery. But in those cases, I think it was more a logic board
>> failing to start up rather than the power supply. However - it's  
>> worth
>> a try.
>
> Yes, I do intend picking up a new PRAM battery and trying that first
> (the one in my old original iMac is almost as dead so I need to get  
> one
> anyway). Where's the best place to buy them? Apparently Maplins do  
> them
> at ?6.49 - anyone else do them?
>
>> I'm sorry - I have no info about the power supply output. It might be
>> possible to check on the motherboard - perhaps the tracks from the
>> power supply connector are labelled? Also, the +12V is probably only
>> for the hard disk - perhaps that's a way to find out which is which.
>
> Ah, good point about the hard disk +12V - I will see if I can follow  
> the
> tracks back.
>
> Cheers
>
> David
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:14:19 +0000
> From: Robbie Murray <robbiemurray at f2s.com>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Dead LC
> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Message-ID: <2A8C9AF4-12A1-43BC-B6B5-ABFB017C25BD at f2s.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> You'll find them on eBay for about ?3.50, but by the time you add P& 
> P,
> it won't represent much of a saving over Maplin, and at least with
> them you know who you're dealing with!
>
> It's a 3.6V lithium half AA size.
>
> I remember them being ?19.00 if you bought from an Apple authorised
> reseller .....
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 7 Dec 2008, at 19:53, SC wrote:
>
> Thanks Paul
>
>> I have certainly seen apparently dead LCs come back to life with a
>> new PRAM battery. But in those cases, I think it was more a logic
>> board failing to start up rather than the power supply. However -
>> it's worth a try.
>
> Yes, I do intend picking up a new PRAM battery and trying that first
> (the one in my old original iMac is almost as dead so I need to get
> one anyway). Where's the best place to buy them? Apparently Maplins do
> them at ?6.49 - anyone else do them?
>
>> I'm sorry - I have no info about the power supply output. It might
>> be possible to check on the motherboard - perhaps the tracks from
>> the power supply connector are labelled? Also, the +12V is probably
>> only for the hard disk - perhaps that's a way to find out which is
>> which.
>
> Ah, good point about the hard disk +12V - I will see if I can follow
> the tracks back.
>
> Cheers
>
> David
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> Robbie Murray
> robbiemurray at f2s.com
> 01603-620749
> 01603-516175
> 07882-007667
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:52:52 +0000
> From: Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Subject: [NMUG] I Miss My Intel iMac
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> Message-ID: <3CEAE136-AD05-467A-A8CF-038728EBB80B at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> Hi
>
> I have been fairly happy with my eMac, it is very nippy at most
> things, but I have just realised where the Intel iMac stormed ahead.
>
> I am converting some FLV files into 3GP to put on my mobile and oh boy
> is my eMac slow in comparison.
>
> Simon
>
> --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
> --- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:11:52 +0000
> From: Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Subject: [NMUG] More RAM?
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> Message-ID: <5343E171-9EAB-43A3-9A38-4CAAF7D08613 at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I have a PowerBook G4 867Mhz and it is running Leopard. It has 768MB
>> of RAM and maxes out at 1GB of RAM.
>>
>> It runs Leopard very well - to which I am quite surprised at. Would
>> upping the RAM to 1GB (via removing the 256MB and replacing it with
>> a 512MB) make a noticeable difference in performance?
>>
>> RAM for these are quite expensive and I want to know if it is worth
>> it.
>>
>> Simon
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 07:51:18 +0000
> From: Paul Durrant <paul at durrant.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] More RAM?
> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Message-ID: <B745D096-FBA3-4C98-A491-41561EEF333F at durrant.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> Probably not. Unless you're running an application that is otherwise
> swapping out to disk.
>
> Paul
>
> On 7 Dec 2008, at 22:11, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I have a PowerBook G4 867Mhz and it is running Leopard. It has
>>> 768MB of RAM and maxes out at 1GB of RAM.
>>>
>>> It runs Leopard very well - to which I am quite surprised at. Would
>>> upping the RAM to 1GB (via removing the 256MB and replacing it with
>>> a 512MB) make a noticeable difference in performance?
>>>
>>> RAM for these are quite expensive and I want to know if it is worth
>>> it.
>>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:57:37 +0000
> From: "Scott Matthews" <munkt0n at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] eMac vs PowerBook - iTunes Visualiser
> To: "Simon Royal" <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Cc: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> Message-ID:
>    <ac224bde0812080057r267170f4o4765acda82546e23 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> rubbish graphics card with no hardware acceleration maybe?
>
> On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I installed Leopard on my eMac 1.25Ghz with 1GB of RAM. Whilst  
>> playing some
>> music in iTunes I turned on the visualiser - my kids like it. It was
>> extremely jerky. I put this down to Leopard on a lower end Mac.
>>
>> I have Leopard on my PowerBook G4 867Mhz with 768MB of RAM. I ran  
>> iTunes
>> and the visualiser on this and it is as smooth as anything.
>>
>> So what gives with the eMac?
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
>> --- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> :wq
>
>
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Dec  8 09:50:35 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 09:50:35 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Mail Forgetting Password
Message-ID: <5C7E1A97-0FB1-49CD-BEA0-BDD03C4550CF@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I moved to using Apple Mail rather than webmail a few weeks ago, and  
it keep forgetting my password.

At first I thought it was just while waking from sleep, but it is  
doing it all the time.

I opened Mail this morning and it worked, picked up emails and was  
fine - I didn't have to put password it, it remembered it. I left it  
open, started browsing in Firefox and ten minutes later the password  
box popped up.

I put my password in as it said the one in keychain was incorrect, the  
box came back up two seconds later, so I put my password in again and  
it went away and got new emails.

If I tick the 'remember this in keychain' box it makes no difference,  
it still forgets it. Yesterday I had Mail open for a few hours and it  
must have popped up about 15 times.

It is so annoying. Why is it doing this?

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
--- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5



From sayerkatemarie at mac.com  Mon Dec  8 11:42:35 2008
From: sayerkatemarie at mac.com (Kate Sayer)
Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 11:42:35 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Graphite mac
In-Reply-To: <20081208085744.37D067E2E14@mail.durrant.co.uk>
References: <20081208085744.37D067E2E14@mail.durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7A21FDA4-7D10-4190-AA68-6DCF27AD19FE@mac.com>

David

I have a Graphite mac  if you are interested.  Not used for a long  
while and now considering updating my Imac.
I will be in Norwich on Wednesday if you or anyone is interested,

I also still have the Laser black and white A3 8500 printer.

If anyone is considering a present of a macbook for Christmas and is  
thinking of selling their previous macbook please let me know!!!

I could be interested.

Kate


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>   1. eMac vs PowerBook - iTunes Visualiser (Simon Royal)
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>   3. Re: Dead LC (Simon Royal)
>   4. G4 Powerbook Cardboard Carry Box Free (stefan youngs)
>   5. Re: Dead LC (Paul Durrant)
>   6. Re: Dead LC (SC)
>   7. Re: Dead LC (Robbie Murray)
>   8. I Miss My Intel iMac (Simon Royal)
>   9. More RAM? (Simon Royal)
>  10. Re: More RAM? (Paul Durrant)
>  11. Re: eMac vs PowerBook - iTunes Visualiser (Scott Matthews)
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>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 15:07:06 +0000
> From: Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Subject: [NMUG] eMac vs PowerBook - iTunes Visualiser
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> Message-ID: <6D43A74E-5921-48AB-AA74-C334D2CD7DE0 at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> Hi
>
> I installed Leopard on my eMac 1.25Ghz with 1GB of RAM. Whilst playing
> some music in iTunes I turned on the visualiser - my kids like it. It
> was extremely jerky. I put this down to Leopard on a lower end Mac.
>
> I have Leopard on my PowerBook G4 867Mhz with 768MB of RAM. I ran
> iTunes and the visualiser on this and it is as smooth as anything.
>
> So what gives with the eMac?
>
> Simon
>
> --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
> --- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 15:38:13 +0000
> From: SC <sc at davidviner.com>
> Subject: [NMUG] Dead LC
> To: Norwich Mac User Group <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Message-ID: <493BEDE5.2020408 at davidviner.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi
>
> I've just joined the group as I'd posted a "wanted" on Freecycle for  
> Mac
> LC parts. Simon Royal replied (thanks Simon!) and introduced me to the
> group as a possible source for spares or help.
>
> I've been given a 1990 vintage LC. Unfortunately, it doesn't boot up  
> and
> looks like it's got a dead/faulty PSU. The PSU, a TDK branded unit,  
> just
> makes a quiet ticking ticking noise and the measured voltages on the
> pins are way too low:
>
> Orange wire: 0.6V
> Yellow wire: 0.7V
> Blue wire: -1.2V
>
> (all voltages measured off-load)
>
> I was thinking that I could rig up a PC PSU to supply the correct
> +12/+5/-5V supplies but wasn't sure of the correct connections. I
> presume that the blue should be the -5V but which out of the
> orange/yellow is the +12V and +5V?
>
> I recently asked the same question on the Google Vintage Mac group and
> was told that a dead PRAM battery can also affect things. Someone  
> there
> said that the PSU won't power up unless the PRAM battery is good,
> however someone else said that this was not the case for the LC model.
>
> Can anyone help?
>
> Thanks
>
> David
> www.davidviner.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:02:18 +0000
> From: Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Dead LC
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> Message-ID: <3BEAC7AB-4426-485F-985F-4CAC8C2A86C8 at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> David
>
> Welcome to our group.
>
> Simon
> On 7 Dec 2008, at 15:38, SC wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I've just joined the group as I'd posted a "wanted" on Freecycle for
>> Mac LC parts. Simon Royal replied (thanks Simon!) and introduced me
>> to the group as a possible source for spares or help.
>>
>> I've been given a 1990 vintage LC. Unfortunately, it doesn't boot up
>> and looks like it's got a dead/faulty PSU. The PSU, a TDK branded
>> unit, just makes a quiet ticking ticking noise and the measured
>> voltages on the pins are way too low:
>>
>> Orange wire: 0.6V
>> Yellow wire: 0.7V
>> Blue wire: -1.2V
>>
>> (all voltages measured off-load)
>>
>> I was thinking that I could rig up a PC PSU to supply the correct
>> +12/+5/-5V supplies but wasn't sure of the correct connections. I
>> presume that the blue should be the -5V but which out of the orange/
>> yellow is the +12V and +5V?
>>
>> I recently asked the same question on the Google Vintage Mac group
>> and was told that a dead PRAM battery can also affect things.
>> Someone there said that the PSU won't power up unless the PRAM
>> battery is good, however someone else said that this was not the
>> case for the LC model.
>>
>> Can anyone help?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> David
>> www.davidviner.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
> --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
> --- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:46:13 +0000
> From: stefan youngs <stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com>
> Subject: [NMUG] G4 Powerbook Cardboard Carry Box Free
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> Message-ID: <4A581097-7A16-44F0-B0D7-549CEF95F1DF at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> This is the Apple shipping box for the 17 inch Powerbook G4, with
> plastic handle. Bottom styrofoam fitting included.
>
> Ideal if you sell your G4 and need to ship it.
>
> Free to anyone who wants it before it goes to its final resting place
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 17:09:02 +0000
> From: Paul Durrant <paul at durrant.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Dead LC
> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Message-ID: <AD3AB31C-9CFF-4B94-BFDB-F0C4670221EE at durrant.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> Hi David,
>
> I have certainly seen apparently dead LCs come back to life with a new
> PRAM battery. But in those cases, I think it was more a logic board
> failing to start up rather than the power supply. However - it's worth
> a try.
>
> I'm sorry - I have no info about the power supply output. It might be
> possible to check on the motherboard - perhaps the tracks from the
> power supply connector are labelled? Also, the +12V is probably only
> for the hard disk - perhaps that's a way to find out which is which.
>
> regards,
>
> Paul
>
> On 7 Dec 2008, at 15:38, SC wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I've just joined the group as I'd posted a "wanted" on Freecycle for
>> Mac LC parts. Simon Royal replied (thanks Simon!) and introduced me
>> to the group as a possible source for spares or help.
>>
>> I've been given a 1990 vintage LC. Unfortunately, it doesn't boot up
>> and looks like it's got a dead/faulty PSU. The PSU, a TDK branded
>> unit, just makes a quiet ticking ticking noise and the measured
>> voltages on the pins are way too low:
>>
>> Orange wire: 0.6V
>> Yellow wire: 0.7V
>> Blue wire: -1.2V
>>
>> (all voltages measured off-load)
>>
>> I was thinking that I could rig up a PC PSU to supply the correct
>> +12/+5/-5V supplies but wasn't sure of the correct connections. I
>> presume that the blue should be the -5V but which out of the orange/
>> yellow is the +12V and +5V?
>>
>> I recently asked the same question on the Google Vintage Mac group
>> and was told that a dead PRAM battery can also affect things.
>> Someone there said that the PSU won't power up unless the PRAM
>> battery is good, however someone else said that this was not the
>> case for the LC model.
>>
>> Can anyone help?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> David
>> www.davidviner.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:53:09 +0000
> From: SC <sc at davidviner.com>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Dead LC
> To: Paul Durrant <paul at durrant.co.uk>
> Cc: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Message-ID: <493C29A5.9060001 at davidviner.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Thanks Paul
>
>> I have certainly seen apparently dead LCs come back to life with a  
>> new
>> PRAM battery. But in those cases, I think it was more a logic board
>> failing to start up rather than the power supply. However - it's  
>> worth
>> a try.
>
> Yes, I do intend picking up a new PRAM battery and trying that first
> (the one in my old original iMac is almost as dead so I need to get  
> one
> anyway). Where's the best place to buy them? Apparently Maplins do  
> them
> at ?6.49 - anyone else do them?
>
>> I'm sorry - I have no info about the power supply output. It might be
>> possible to check on the motherboard - perhaps the tracks from the
>> power supply connector are labelled? Also, the +12V is probably only
>> for the hard disk - perhaps that's a way to find out which is which.
>
> Ah, good point about the hard disk +12V - I will see if I can follow  
> the
> tracks back.
>
> Cheers
>
> David
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 20:14:19 +0000
> From: Robbie Murray <robbiemurray at f2s.com>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Dead LC
> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Message-ID: <2A8C9AF4-12A1-43BC-B6B5-ABFB017C25BD at f2s.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> You'll find them on eBay for about ?3.50, but by the time you add P&P,
> it won't represent much of a saving over Maplin, and at least with
> them you know who you're dealing with!
>
> It's a 3.6V lithium half AA size.
>
> I remember them being ?19.00 if you bought from an Apple authorised
> reseller .....
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 7 Dec 2008, at 19:53, SC wrote:
>
> Thanks Paul
>
>> I have certainly seen apparently dead LCs come back to life with a
>> new PRAM battery. But in those cases, I think it was more a logic
>> board failing to start up rather than the power supply. However -
>> it's worth a try.
>
> Yes, I do intend picking up a new PRAM battery and trying that first
> (the one in my old original iMac is almost as dead so I need to get
> one anyway). Where's the best place to buy them? Apparently Maplins do
> them at ?6.49 - anyone else do them?
>
>> I'm sorry - I have no info about the power supply output. It might
>> be possible to check on the motherboard - perhaps the tracks from
>> the power supply connector are labelled? Also, the +12V is probably
>> only for the hard disk - perhaps that's a way to find out which is
>> which.
>
> Ah, good point about the hard disk +12V - I will see if I can follow
> the tracks back.
>
> Cheers
>
> David
> _______________________________________________
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>
> Robbie Murray
> robbiemurray at f2s.com
> 01603-620749
> 01603-516175
> 07882-007667
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 21:52:52 +0000
> From: Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Subject: [NMUG] I Miss My Intel iMac
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> Message-ID: <3CEAE136-AD05-467A-A8CF-038728EBB80B at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> Hi
>
> I have been fairly happy with my eMac, it is very nippy at most
> things, but I have just realised where the Intel iMac stormed ahead.
>
> I am converting some FLV files into 3GP to put on my mobile and oh boy
> is my eMac slow in comparison.
>
> Simon
>
> --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
> --- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:11:52 +0000
> From: Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Subject: [NMUG] More RAM?
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> Message-ID: <5343E171-9EAB-43A3-9A38-4CAAF7D08613 at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I have a PowerBook G4 867Mhz and it is running Leopard. It has 768MB
>> of RAM and maxes out at 1GB of RAM.
>>
>> It runs Leopard very well - to which I am quite surprised at. Would
>> upping the RAM to 1GB (via removing the 256MB and replacing it with
>> a 512MB) make a noticeable difference in performance?
>>
>> RAM for these are quite expensive and I want to know if it is worth
>> it.
>>
>> Simon
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 07:51:18 +0000
> From: Paul Durrant <paul at durrant.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] More RAM?
> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Message-ID: <B745D096-FBA3-4C98-A491-41561EEF333F at durrant.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> Probably not. Unless you're running an application that is otherwise
> swapping out to disk.
>
> Paul
>
> On 7 Dec 2008, at 22:11, Simon Royal wrote:
>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I have a PowerBook G4 867Mhz and it is running Leopard. It has
>>> 768MB of RAM and maxes out at 1GB of RAM.
>>>
>>> It runs Leopard very well - to which I am quite surprised at. Would
>>> upping the RAM to 1GB (via removing the 256MB and replacing it with
>>> a 512MB) make a noticeable difference in performance?
>>>
>>> RAM for these are quite expensive and I want to know if it is worth
>>> it.
>>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 08:57:37 +0000
> From: "Scott Matthews" <munkt0n at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] eMac vs PowerBook - iTunes Visualiser
> To: "Simon Royal" <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Cc: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> Message-ID:
> 	<ac224bde0812080057r267170f4o4765acda82546e23 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> rubbish graphics card with no hardware acceleration maybe?
>
> On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I installed Leopard on my eMac 1.25Ghz with 1GB of RAM. Whilst  
>> playing some
>> music in iTunes I turned on the visualiser - my kids like it. It was
>> extremely jerky. I put this down to Leopard on a lower end Mac.
>>
>> I have Leopard on my PowerBook G4 867Mhz with 768MB of RAM. I ran  
>> iTunes
>> and the visualiser on this and it is as smooth as anything.
>>
>> So what gives with the eMac?
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
>> --- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> :wq
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
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From: footballbutlerjoe at yahoo.co.uk (joe butler)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 12:30:19 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [NMUG] OSX 10.3 or 10.4 CDs
Message-ID: <636183.82511.qm@web26706.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hello all
Following an incident with an ex wife and a shed load of computer parts?I'm on the hunt for OSX 10.3 or 10.4 on CD, If anyone has a copy I could have or the original disks they would like to sell I would appreciate it greatly.
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Dec  8 13:34:28 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:34:28 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Hard Drive Is Toast
Message-ID: <564B743D-E05A-402C-95B7-1BC2CF9FD96A@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

As you all know my Intel iMac died completely about two months ago, a  
few weeks before that the hard drive stopped working. It just wasn't  
recognised by the machine as being present. I stripped the machine but  
kept hold of the hard drive.

I picked up a USB to IDE/SATA cable and as I suspected, my hard drive  
is toast. I hooked it up today and the damn thing started smelling  
really bad, a burning smell within seconds of being powered. I was  
kind of hoping it would work and I could retrieve the info from it,  
but afraid not.

Simon


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--- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5



From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Mon Dec  8 19:08:44 2008
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:08:44 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Hard Drive Is Toast
In-Reply-To: <564B743D-E05A-402C-95B7-1BC2CF9FD96A@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <564B743D-E05A-402C-95B7-1BC2CF9FD96A@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <A6B8BDD4-B34C-44EB-A971-A6DA3BC8687B@virgin.net>


On Dec 8, 2008, at 13:34, Simon Royal wrote:

> I picked up a USB to IDE/SATA cable and as I suspected, my hard  
> drive is toast. I hooked it up today and the damn thing started  
> smelling really bad, a burning smell within seconds of being  
> powered. I was kind of hoping it would work and I could retrieve the  
> info from it, but afraid not.

Sorry to hear that. I on the other hand seem to be having quite good  
luck with my HDs. A couple of weeks ago I bought a dead 60GB iPod on  
eBay for a small amount. Took about 5 minutes and the HD was up and  
running again allowing me to listen to a variety of strange music  
still on it as well as three movies! It will probably go again but at  
the moment it seems happy.

I have also been going through all my old spare HDs to check there was  
nothing on them that was vital. There was one that died some time ago,  
a 200GB drive, which I believed had already been erased but was not  
showing up on my computer at all so couldn't check that. Some time ago  
I had spent a happy hour or two trying to get it recognised, even down  
to the leaving it overnight in the freezer trick but to no avail. This  
latest attempt worked within a couple of minutes but I'm not sure I  
will trust it again however i did manage to confirm that the drive was  
empty.

The magic trick for getting the iPod and my 200GB drive up and running  
again? Slamming them hard down on my desk three times.

When everything else has failed give it a go although the smell of  
burning sounds a bit more serious.

Paul C




From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Dec  8 20:09:28 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 20:09:28 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Hard Drive Is Toast
In-Reply-To: <564B743D-E05A-402C-95B7-1BC2CF9FD96A@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <564B743D-E05A-402C-95B7-1BC2CF9FD96A@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <0C9D9D32-17BD-4AEC-8596-4B4EAD6A7D67@durrant.co.uk>

If it's the electronics that are toast, and the data is important, you  
might be able to get the data back by buying a disk of *exactly* the  
same model and version, and swapping the electronics over.

You end up with two ruined hard disks, but you might get the data back.

Paul


On 8 Dec 2008, at 13:34, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> As you all know my Intel iMac died completely about two months ago,  
> a few weeks before that the hard drive stopped working. It just  
> wasn't recognised by the machine as being present. I stripped the  
> machine but kept hold of the hard drive.
>
> I picked up a USB to IDE/SATA cable and as I suspected, my hard  
> drive is toast. I hooked it up today and the damn thing started  
> smelling really bad, a burning smell within seconds of being  
> powered. I was kind of hoping it would work and I could retrieve the  
> info from it, but afraid not.
>


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Dec  8 21:28:52 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 21:28:52 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] It's Happened...
Message-ID: <11E22498-0934-44D7-9F5F-93125FB8EC39@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

Well my wife has gotten her PC - yuck.

A Toshiba Satellite Pro, 2Ghz Dual Core laptop running Vista.

What an ugly, bubble ridden OS. I had the unfortunate job of setting  
up wireless and her emails and what a horrible experience it was.

Am I jealous of her powerful machine. No. I would rather keep my aging  
867Mhz PowerBook G4 any day. After jumping back on a Mac it feel so  
much less cluttered and easier to use, without annoying pop ups every  
five minutes.

Now I know why I am a Mac user.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
--- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5



From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Tue Dec  9 13:06:25 2008
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:06:25 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Simon's Vista Woes
In-Reply-To: <20081209120003.C529F7E39FD@mail.durrant.co.uk>
References: <20081209120003.C529F7E39FD@mail.durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <F4C11892-65F9-41FC-A735-9DDDB522B7E0@gmail.com>

>
> From: Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Subject: [NMUG] It's Happened...
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> A Toshiba Satellite Pro, 2Ghz Dual Core laptop running Vista.
>
> What an ugly, bubble ridden OS. I had the unfortunate job of setting
> up wireless and her emails and what a horrible experience it was.



You have to experience it to know how bad it is. From the literature  
and media coverage you might imagine this is a truly advanced OS with  
all sorts of advantages but suffering from a few annoying problems.  
The lack of USB device drivers was a favourite moan.

Well, from a Mac point of view, Vista is unimaginably bad.

First off, it looks all wrong. It had the appearance of a paint-by- 
numbers design.. it tries to be slick and sophisticated but it has the  
look of a cheap tart standing on Sloane Square among all the real  
toffs. The colours are brash... the icons look naff.. the dialogues  
are a mystery

Here's my idea of what it would be like if Vista delivered the mail to  
your door.




'Ello 'ello, 'ello... Are you entitled to receive this mail? Let's see  
your credentials... hmmm

Are you sure you live here? Let's see the deeds. Oh! you're  a renter  
are you... well, we've got an entire ID Division to deal with the  
likes of you...

How do I know this is your photograph? Looks a bit suspicious to me...

Are you over 18? You got to be over 18 to get free wine offers in the  
post you know. Let's see some ID with a birthday on it....

Wait a minute,.. did I ask you if you really live here yet?

Hang on.. there's someone coming up with a last minute piece of mail..  
let me look at  this.. did you ask to receive a letter from Virgin  
media?.. No? Well, this is suspicious, I'll need to check your ID  
again... how do I know this is really from Virgin Media and not Al  
Kiddyo?

'ow about this 'ere letter.. how do I know it doesn't contain a bomb?  
You look a bit like a terrorist to me, let's see that  photo again...

I'm not sure this letter will fit in your letterbox, what are the  
dimensions, precisely, of your particular box?

You sure about that? It looks smaller to me. 'ang on, I'll check it.  
Yes, I'm right, it IS smaller. So 'ow come you don't know the size of  
your letterbox, this is your house right? Better see those deeds again.

Some time letter, the letter has been delivered.. there is a knock on  
the door....

I was watching you through the window.. (geddit?) Are you throwing  
that Virgin Media letter away? Have you been listening to that Stefan  
Youngs ranting on about Virgin again? Are you sure you want to throw  
it away? How about we make a copy and put it somewhere on your disk  
where you'll never be able to find it, just in case?..




From karl.hortt at btinternet.com  Tue Dec  9 13:31:19 2008
From: karl.hortt at btinternet.com (Karl Hortt)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:31:19 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] sony ebook and Mac's
Message-ID: <65E23D70-0937-452C-A562-0391C657C224@btinternet.com>


Hi All,

I am going on a long trip abroad
where the only thing to do will be to read a book !!

I am thinking about the sony ereader

has anyone got one, used one ?

does it work with Mac's ?

are there other sources of books for it


can you crack or change other forms of ebook to work on it ?


hope someone can help



regards

Karl


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Dec  9 13:56:05 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:56:05 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Windows/Mac Wireless Printer
Message-ID: <C7405D9E-CDC9-4A28-9210-8D1767CB0BF6@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

With the move to portable machines I am looking at getting a wireless  
printer.

I have a Windows laptop and a Mac laptop and now no physical desktop  
machine. I used to share the printer on my eMac for my other Macs to  
connect to. In fact I no longer have a computer desk.

So I need a wireless printer that can just sit somewhere and connect  
wirelessly to my router and be used with Mac OSX Tiger (my sons  
eMacs), Mac OSX Leopard (my PowerBook) and Windows Vista (my wifes  
laptop).

Any suggestions for what model. Obviously as always with me, budget is  
the key. I don't need anything awesome as I only print out postage  
labels from eBay and the odd colour document. I've been very happy  
with my Epson Stylus Photo 1200 if that puts it into perspective.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
--- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5



From munkt0n at gmail.com  Tue Dec  9 15:38:37 2008
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:38:37 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Windows/Mac Wireless Printer
In-Reply-To: <C7405D9E-CDC9-4A28-9210-8D1767CB0BF6@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <C7405D9E-CDC9-4A28-9210-8D1767CB0BF6@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0812090738r2a0fc37cr77d1bd180cb391c5@mail.gmail.com>

No idea about wireless printers, but I'm fairly sure you can plug any old
USB printer into an airport express and share the printer that way.

On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi
>
> With the move to portable machines I am looking at getting a wireless
> printer.
>
> I have a Windows laptop and a Mac laptop and now no physical desktop
> machine. I used to share the printer on my eMac for my other Macs to connect
> to. In fact I no longer have a computer desk.
>
> So I need a wireless printer that can just sit somewhere and connect
> wirelessly to my router and be used with Mac OSX Tiger (my sons eMacs), Mac
> OSX Leopard (my PowerBook) and Windows Vista (my wifes laptop).
>
> Any suggestions for what model. Obviously as always with me, budget is the
> key. I don't need anything awesome as I only print out postage labels from
> eBay and the odd colour document. I've been very happy with my Epson Stylus
> Photo 1200 if that puts it into perspective.
>
> Simon
>
> --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
> --- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5
>
> _______________________________________________
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> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Dec  9 21:01:01 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:01:01 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Skype
Message-ID: <EB0D7020-C68B-45A8-A440-AD4B16F4ABD9@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I have been using Skype for a while but only have two contacts, it is  
great but I need some more people to talk to.

If anyone is interested my user is 'themactivist'

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
--- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5



From martinfry.photo at virgin.net  Wed Dec 10 12:45:10 2008
From: martinfry.photo at virgin.net (Martin Fry)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 12:45:10 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Illustrator
Message-ID: <c12270c96d735e78d7a49d2dbee8e100@virgin.net>

Hi all

Is there an expert at Illustrator who can tell me if there is a quicker 
way of adding a stroke line around an image.

At the moment I am dragging the stroke line from one corner to the 
opposite corner.

I am sure that by double clicking the image and doing something else 
would do the same thing.

Martin
www.martinfryphotography.com

From michelehurst at mac.com  Wed Dec 10 14:10:09 2008
From: michelehurst at mac.com (Michele Hurst)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 06:10:09 -0800
Subject: [NMUG] INCREASING INTERNAL RAM
Message-ID: <144991983073227106058423527133703302380-Webmail@me.com>

Hi
My G4 17" powerbook only has 512MB RAM and I wondered if increasing it to 1G would make a difference as it does seem a bit slow these days. If so, I believe you can place a chip internally and have seen some on EBAY for between ?16 and ?30 . Is this right and if so has anyone any recommendations as to which to use and how simple it is to do. (I don't want to break it !!)
Many thanks
Michele


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed Dec 10 15:33:34 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:33:34 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] INCREASING INTERNAL RAM
In-Reply-To: <144991983073227106058423527133703302380-Webmail@me.com>
References: <144991983073227106058423527133703302380-Webmail@me.com>
Message-ID: <AE4121F4-341E-4B71-BA48-9890F06A2B7E@durrant.co.uk>

There are several different models of the Powerbook G4 17", and they  
take different kinds of memory.

I'd recommend using the Crucial Memory Advisor tool.

http://www.crucial.com/uk/

which will help you identify your Powerbook and tell you what kind of  
memory you need - and it'll offer to seell you the memory too.  
Crucial's prices are usually pretty good.

Fitting the memory is easy, and intended to be done by users.

regards,

Paul


On 10 Dec 2008, at 14:10, Michele Hurst wrote:

> Hi
> My G4 17" powerbook only has 512MB RAM and I wondered if increasing  
> it to 1G would make a difference as it does seem a bit slow these  
> days. If so, I believe you can place a chip internally and have seen  
> some on EBAY for between ?16 and ?30 . Is this right and if so has  
> anyone any recommendations as to which to use and how simple it is  
> to do. (I don't want to break it !!)


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Dec 10 17:54:46 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:54:46 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] I Got Scammed On PayPal
Message-ID: <JwlG2VPRVZJ0.pWyHnZ5H@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

I just got scammed on PayPal.

I sold my eMac and sent a money request to the guy. I got an email saying it had been paid and funds would be cleared once shipping confirmation had been received.

That sounded fair enough to me. Turns out that was a fake email. It looked very convincing.

Luckily I got ParcelForce to stop the delivery and it will be delivered back in a couple of days.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71)



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Dec 10 18:29:47 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:29:47 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] I Got Scammed On PayPal
Message-ID: <C87PZQvltK2J.kVKkfP24@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Paul

When I checked my PayPal the money request hadn't been paid.

Simon

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-original message-
Subject: Re: [NMUG] I Got Scammed On PayPal
From: Paul Harrowing <paulharrowing at waitrose.com>
Date: 10/12/2008 17:57

How did you find out it was fake?






From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Dec 10 18:46:05 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 10 Dec 2008 18:46:05 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] I Got Scammed On PayPal
In-Reply-To: <0B8752D2-C850-4914-B00D-4EB7A64958C4@durrant.co.uk>
References: <JwlG2VPRVZJ0.pWyHnZ5H@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
	<0B8752D2-C850-4914-B00D-4EB7A64958C4@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0812101846050.7210@webm8.global.net.uk>

Paul

Yes, I reported it to PayPal. It just shows even the most experienced 
computer user can get duped.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, 
hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple 
Mac.


On Dec 10 2008, Paul Durrant wrote:

Ouch. Have you reported the guy to Paypal and eBay?

regards,

Paul

On 10 Dec 2008, at 17:54, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi.
>
> I just got scammed on PayPal.
>
> I sold my eMac and sent a money request to the guy. I got an email  
> saying it had been paid and funds would be cleared once shipping  
> confirmation had been received.
>
> That sounded fair enough to me. Turns out that was a fake email. It  
> looked very convincing.
>
> Luckily I got ParcelForce to stop the delivery and it will be  
> delivered back in a couple of days.
>
> Simon
>
> --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent  
> using Nokia E71)
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>





From sc at davidviner.com  Wed Dec 10 19:29:24 2008
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:29:24 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] I Got Scammed On PayPal
In-Reply-To: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0812101846050.7210@webm8.global.net.uk>
References: <JwlG2VPRVZJ0.pWyHnZ5H@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>	<0B8752D2-C850-4914-B00D-4EB7A64958C4@durrant.co.uk>
	<BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0812101846050.7210@webm8.global.net.uk>
Message-ID: <49401894.3040905@davidviner.com>

There's several eBay/PayPal scams going around - here's one I remember 
reading about a few days ago:

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/570/1049570/inq-encounters-paypal-reversal-scam

Some of the comments below the article are interesting, too.

David



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Dec 11 10:16:16 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 11 Dec 2008 10:16:16 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] eMac For Sale
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0812111016160.6590@webm6.global.net.uk>

Hi

Well after my brief PayPal scam the eMac should be back with me by 
tomorrow. So my eMac is still up for sale.

G4 1.25Ghz, 1GB RAM, 80GB HD (not original, newer 7200RPM drive), DVDRW 
drive (not original, came from iMac G4), Airport Extreme and has USB 2.0 
(not USB 1.1). Runs Leopard lovely (but obviously you will need your own 
OS).

Has a few cosmetic marks, looks like someone has tipped it on its front as 
there are some scratch marks on the front and there is some burn in which 
is more visible when the machine is off. It is the square 'Mac OSX' start 
up screen.

Originally had it up for ?150 but am open to offers and in Norwich over the 
weekend so could drop it off or meet somewhere.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, 
hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple 
Mac.




From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Dec 11 12:44:01 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:44:01 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] YouTube Downloaders
Message-ID: <QBVZLbQ5fRfb.Wk3dgxqz@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

I like to download things from YouTube and normally use TubeTV or SeaTubes.

YouTube recently did something to their site meaning conventional downloaders wont work.

TubeTV fails half way through downloading a file and SeaTubes cant even be downloaded at present.

There are some sites that let you download one at a time, like KissYouTube. But I need a batch downloader that work.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71)



From sc at davidviner.com  Thu Dec 11 14:00:27 2008
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:00:27 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] YouTube Downloaders
In-Reply-To: <QBVZLbQ5fRfb.Wk3dgxqz@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <QBVZLbQ5fRfb.Wk3dgxqz@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <49411CFB.6070803@davidviner.com>

I use KeepVid: http://keepvid.com/

This is an online utility so shouldn't matter if it's being accessed 
from a Mac, PC (Windows/Linux). It provides FLV adn MP4 (QuickTime) 
formats. I last used it a couple of days ago and it worked ok from 
www.youtube.com (but not uk.youtube.com - but replacing the uk with www 
in the URL you send to KeepVid fixed those problems).

David

Simon Royal wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I like to download things from YouTube and normally use TubeTV or SeaTubes.
>
> YouTube recently did something to their site meaning conventional downloaders wont work.
>
> TubeTV fails half way through downloading a file and SeaTubes cant even be downloaded at present.
>
> There are some sites that let you download one at a time, like KissYouTube. But I need a batch downloader that work.
>
> Simon
>
> --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71)
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Dec 11 22:28:42 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:28:42 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] YouTube Downloaders
In-Reply-To: <49411CFB.6070803@davidviner.com>
References: <QBVZLbQ5fRfb.Wk3dgxqz@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
	<49411CFB.6070803@davidviner.com>
Message-ID: <117459DE-CB1B-4A07-AFE5-A341F1833F53@simonroyal.co.uk>

David

Thanks for that KeepVid is a lot better than KissYouTube.

It also allows you to name the file as you save it, so while it  
doesn't do batching it you don't get loads of get_video files at the  
end of it.

Simon

On 11 Dec 2008, at 14:00, David Viner wrote:

> I use KeepVid: http://keepvid.com/
>
> This is an online utility so shouldn't matter if it's being accessed  
> from a Mac, PC (Windows/Linux). It provides FLV adn MP4 (QuickTime)  
> formats. I last used it a couple of days ago and it worked ok from www.youtube.com 
>  (but not uk.youtube.com - but replacing the uk with www in the URL  
> you send to KeepVid fixed those problems).
>
> David
>
> Simon Royal wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> I like to download things from YouTube and normally use TubeTV or  
>> SeaTubes.
>>
>> YouTube recently did something to their site meaning conventional  
>> downloaders wont work.
>>
>> TubeTV fails half way through downloading a file and SeaTubes cant  
>> even be downloaded at present.
>>
>> There are some sites that let you download one at a time, like  
>> KissYouTube. But I need a batch downloader that work.
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent  
>> using Nokia E71)
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

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--- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Dec 12 10:46:09 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:46:09 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Cruz
Message-ID: <DF313062-0BB3-4217-93B2-05599CC4E2FC@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

Mac OSX seems to be awash with browsers, but I have always had an  
interest and like to try new ones.

I am now having a look at Cruz, a WebKit/Safari spin off and it is  
mighty fast. Another one just for Leopard.

http://cruzapp.com/

Simon

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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Dec 12 12:23:40 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:23:40 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Time Capsule
Message-ID: <AB2DA9D6-2E99-4091-8FD4-E21F0CDB2425@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I have just been looking at the Time Capsule and wondered if anyone on  
the group has one.

I want to replace my 120GB external drive with something that can be  
accessed over a network and by Tiger, Leopard, XP and Vista! Time  
Capsule seems to be able to do that and at 500GB is a massive  
improvement over what I have.

I want to be able to share my Epson Printer wirelessly! Time Capsule  
seems to be able to do that and means I wouldn't have to replace my  
existing printer.

I want to get rid of my Tiscali broadband modem/router! Time Capsule  
seems to replace your existing setup and give you an Airport Extreme  
Base Station.

So it seems to solve all my problems and give me a lot more storage.  
Am I missing something? Are they any good?

Simon

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--- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5



From munkt0n at gmail.com  Fri Dec 12 12:27:47 2008
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:27:47 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Time Capsule
In-Reply-To: <AB2DA9D6-2E99-4091-8FD4-E21F0CDB2425@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <AB2DA9D6-2E99-4091-8FD4-E21F0CDB2425@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0812120427v540231a3n478f0bdf5c6fe7fc@mail.gmail.com>

timecapsule may act as a router, but  I doubt it has an ADSL modem built in.

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi
>
> I have just been looking at the Time Capsule and wondered if anyone on the
> group has one.
>
> I want to replace my 120GB external drive with something that can be
> accessed over a network and by Tiger, Leopard, XP and Vista! Time Capsule
> seems to be able to do that and at 500GB is a massive improvement over what
> I have.
>
> I want to be able to share my Epson Printer wirelessly! Time Capsule seems
> to be able to do that and means I wouldn't have to replace my existing
> printer.
>
> I want to get rid of my Tiscali broadband modem/router! Time Capsule seems
> to replace your existing setup and give you an Airport Extreme Base Station.
>
> So it seems to solve all my problems and give me a lot more storage. Am I
> missing something? Are they any good?
>
> Simon
>
> --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
> --- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5
>
> _______________________________________________
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>



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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Dec 12 13:30:35 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 13:30:35 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Network Storage
Message-ID: <F086A07A-26CD-4053-9EAE-9504136FC7E1@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I am on the hunt again for some kind of network storage. It is more  
important now that I only have laptops (one Mac, one Windows).

I just looked at the Time Capsule and it is very pricey. I know the  
cheapest option would be to have a headless G3/G4 tower, cram it with  
hard drives, I could also share my printer from it and have it wired  
to my router, but that is too big and bulky.

I just want some kind of small NAS. I looked on eBay and they have  
these 'half PC tower' size things that only appear to be PC  
compatible. What I really want is some kind of external enclosure but  
with ethernet on it.

Any suggestions?

Simon

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--- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5



From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Fri Dec 12 16:15:30 2008
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:15:30 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] YouTube Downloader keepvid
In-Reply-To: <20081212120004.127EE7E5A36@mail.durrant.co.uk>
References: <20081212120004.127EE7E5A36@mail.durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <B879EFBA-87A0-493B-A28B-715AA4A5DF04@gmail.com>

>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] YouTube Downloaders
> To: NMUG <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>
>
> I use KeepVid: http://keepvid.com/
>

Thanks for the heads-up on this very useful facility


> I last used it a couple of days ago and it worked ok from
> www.youtube.com (but not uk.youtube.com - but replacing the uk with  
> www
> in the URL you send to KeepVid fixed those problems).

How on earth did you figure out this trick?



From munkt0n at gmail.com  Fri Dec 12 16:21:13 2008
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:21:13 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] YouTube Downloader keepvid
In-Reply-To: <B879EFBA-87A0-493B-A28B-715AA4A5DF04@gmail.com>
References: <20081212120004.127EE7E5A36@mail.durrant.co.uk>
	<B879EFBA-87A0-493B-A28B-715AA4A5DF04@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0812120821k15d3a549ra16577179ec17a5d@mail.gmail.com>

here's a useful 'bookmarklet' that will let you download youtube vids as mp4
files.

http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2008/04/download-youtube-videos-as-mp4-files.html

On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 4:15 PM, stefan youngs <
stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com> wrote:

>
>> Subject: Re: [NMUG] YouTube Downloaders
>> To: NMUG <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
>>
>>
>> I use KeepVid: http://keepvid.com/
>>
>>
> Thanks for the heads-up on this very useful facility
>
>
>  I last used it a couple of days ago and it worked ok from
>> www.youtube.com (but not uk.youtube.com - but replacing the uk with www
>> in the URL you send to KeepVid fixed those problems).
>>
>
> How on earth did you figure out this trick?
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
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From robbiemurray at f2s.com  Sun Dec 14 11:58:36 2008
From: robbiemurray at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:58:36 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Can anyone help?
Message-ID: <200458AC-00E4-4BB5-91C5-27D09A9AE973@f2s.com>

My daughter was married last week, and we had the wedding recorded on  
my Sony Mini DV camcorder.

Transferring the data to my iMac via Firewire was a nightmare - the  
original iMovie just refused to see the camera, and it was only after  
a lot of juggling I eventually managed it in iMovie08.

After a lot of trial and error working out how it worked, I manage to  
produce a credible edit, but when I saved it it was in m4v format,  
which appears to be an Apple version of MP4, specially for iPod/iPhone  
platforms.

When I tried to burn it, using Disk utility, the file was greyed out,  
so I then saved another copy as a QuickTime movie, but this too was  
greyed out in Disk Utility.

I took a copy of the m4v file and renamed it mp4 - still no joy.

I then tried Toast Titanium 6, which was happy to have a go, but after  
about 2 hours of encoding, reported "Unable to complete:  error -50" .  
All very helpful.

i thought I'd give iDVD a go, but that won't even launch - quits  
immediately.  A trawl of the web identified this as a common problem,  
but after trying all the suggested fixes (removing preference files  
and mucking about with 'Themes' folder), was no further forward.

Thinking that perhaps the Sony DVD+RW discs I was using may be the  
problem, I went to Tesco at 11:00pm  Thursday and bought a batch of DVD 
+R.

Tried again - no joy.  Tried again several times more, and on Friday  
evening eventually managed to burn one successful DVD, just in time to  
pick up the bride & groom from their honeymoon.

They loved it, and want 6 more copies.  I hope I can simply copy disc  
to disc, but in the meantime have learned how to Title the movie and  
add credits for a bit of fun, so since 7:00 am today have been trying  
again, and am back at square one.

Apple support doesn't recognise the error, and is very unhelpful  
regarding DVD burning:  Roxio has a couple of suggestions, but they  
have made no difference.

The Toast I have is the latest upgrade of V6, the only oddity being  
that it shows as a PPC application in GetInfo - could it be  
incompatible with Intel, but if so, how did I manage to do it once?

My iMac is 2.4Ghz Intel core 2 duo, less than 6 months old.

Does any one have any wisdom/experience/advice to offer?

Totally frustrated ....


Robbie



Robbie Murray
robbiemurray at f2s.com
01603-620749
01603-516175
07882-007667




From robbiemurray at f2s.com  Sun Dec 14 12:00:00 2008
From: robbiemurray at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:00:00 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Can anyone help?
Message-ID: <30486C28-D8C8-48D9-98EA-6B089DF6F3E2@f2s.com>

Forgot to add .....

I also tried saving in Toast as a disk image, but after 2 hours, same  
error ......




My daughter was married last week, and we had the wedding recorded on  
my Sony Mini DV camcorder.

Transferring the data to my iMac via Firewire was a nightmare - the  
original iMovie just refused to see the camera, and it was only after  
a lot of juggling I eventually managed it in iMovie08.

After a lot of trial and error working out how it worked, I manage to  
produce a credible edit, but when I saved it it was in m4v format,  
which appears to be an Apple version of MP4, specially for iPod/iPhone  
platforms.

When I tried to burn it, using Disk utility, the file was greyed out,  
so I then saved another copy as a QuickTime movie, but this too was  
greyed out in Disk Utility.

I took a copy of the m4v file and renamed it mp4 - still no joy.

I then tried Toast Titanium 6, which was happy to have a go, but after  
about 2 hours of encoding, reported "Unable to complete:  error -50" .  
All very helpful.

i thought I'd give iDVD a go, but that won't even launch - quits  
immediately.  A trawl of the web identified this as a common problem,  
but after trying all the suggested fixes (removing preference files  
and mucking about with 'Themes' folder), was no further forward.

Thinking that perhaps the Sony DVD+RW discs I was using may be the  
problem, I went to Tesco at 11:00pm  Thursday and bought a batch of DVD 
+R.

Tried again - no joy.  Tried again several times more, and on Friday  
evening eventually managed to burn one successful DVD, just in time to  
pick up the bride & groom from their honeymoon.

They loved it, and want 6 more copies.  I hope I can simply copy disc  
to disc, but in the meantime have learned how to Title the movie and  
add credits for a bit of fun, so since 7:00 am today have been trying  
again, and am back at square one.

Apple support doesn't recognise the error, and is very unhelpful  
regarding DVD burning:  Roxio has a couple of suggestions, but they  
have made no difference.

The Toast I have is the latest upgrade of V6, the only oddity being  
that it shows as a PPC application in GetInfo - could it be  
incompatible with Intel, but if so, how did I manage to do it once?

My iMac is 2.4Ghz Intel core 2 duo, less than 6 months old.

Does any one have any wisdom/experience/advice to offer?

Totally frustrated ....


Robbie



Robbie Murray
robbiemurray at f2s.com
01603-620749
01603-516175
07882-007667




From robbiemurray at f2s.com  Sun Dec 14 13:11:39 2008
From: robbiemurray at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:11:39 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Can anyone help?
In-Reply-To: <AEA6FEE5-172B-44C1-931C-6362260AD646@dsol.co.uk>
References: <30486C28-D8C8-48D9-98EA-6B089DF6F3E2@f2s.com>
	<AEA6FEE5-172B-44C1-931C-6362260AD646@dsol.co.uk>
Message-ID: <2F10A513-98D2-4FA1-A842-6F4B55C9318D@f2s.com>

Hi Allan

It's a MV901 Mini DV Camcorder, but I've overcome that hurdle - It's  
now down simply to burning the resultant file to DVD:

I have it on the iMac as a QuickTime Movie; and mp4 file, and an  
m4v ....


Robbie


On 14 Dec 2008, at 12:43, Allan wrote:

Hi Robbie

Sorry to hear about your problem.

First of all can you tell me what Sony MIni DV camcorder you are  
using? As mucg detail as possible will help.

Allan Johns


On 14 Dec 2008, at 12:00, Robbie Murray wrote:

> Forgot to add .....
>
> I also tried saving in Toast as a disk image, but after 2 hours,  
> same error ......
>
>
>
>
> My daughter was married last week, and we had the wedding recorded  
> on my Sony Mini DV camcorder.
>
> Transferring the data to my iMac via Firewire was a nightmare - the  
> original iMovie just refused to see the camera, and it was only  
> after a lot of juggling I eventually managed it in iMovie08.
>
> After a lot of trial and error working out how it worked, I manage  
> to produce a credible edit, but when I saved it it was in m4v  
> format, which appears to be an Apple version of MP4, specially for  
> iPod/iPhone platforms.
>
> When I tried to burn it, using Disk utility, the file was greyed  
> out, so I then saved another copy as a QuickTime movie, but this too  
> was greyed out in Disk Utility.
>
> I took a copy of the m4v file and renamed it mp4 - still no joy.
>
> I then tried Toast Titanium 6, which was happy to have a go, but  
> after about 2 hours of encoding, reported "Unable to complete:   
> error -50" . All very helpful.
>
> i thought I'd give iDVD a go, but that won't even launch - quits  
> immediately.  A trawl of the web identified this as a common  
> problem, but after trying all the suggested fixes (removing  
> preference files and mucking about with 'Themes' folder), was no  
> further forward.
>
> Thinking that perhaps the Sony DVD+RW discs I was using may be the  
> problem, I went to Tesco at 11:00pm  Thursday and bought a batch of  
> DVD+R.
>
> Tried again - no joy.  Tried again several times more, and on Friday  
> evening eventually managed to burn one successful DVD, just in time  
> to pick up the bride & groom from their honeymoon.
>
> They loved it, and want 6 more copies.  I hope I can simply copy  
> disc to disc, but in the meantime have learned how to Title the  
> movie and add credits for a bit of fun, so since 7:00 am today have  
> been trying again, and am back at square one.
>
> Apple support doesn't recognise the error, and is very unhelpful  
> regarding DVD burning:  Roxio has a couple of suggestions, but they  
> have made no difference.
>
> The Toast I have is the latest upgrade of V6, the only oddity being  
> that it shows as a PPC application in GetInfo - could it be  
> incompatible with Intel, but if so, how did I manage to do it once?
>
> My iMac is 2.4Ghz Intel core 2 duo, less than 6 months old.
>
> Does any one have any wisdom/experience/advice to offer?
>
> Totally frustrated ....
>
>
> Robbie
>
>
>
> Robbie Murray
> robbiemurray at f2s.com
> 01603-620749
> 01603-516175
> 07882-007667
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>



Robbie Murray
robbiemurray at f2s.com
01603-620749
01603-516175
07882-007667




From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Sun Dec 14 13:24:26 2008
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:24:26 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Can anyone help?
In-Reply-To: <2F10A513-98D2-4FA1-A842-6F4B55C9318D@f2s.com>
References: <30486C28-D8C8-48D9-98EA-6B089DF6F3E2@f2s.com>
	<AEA6FEE5-172B-44C1-931C-6362260AD646@dsol.co.uk>
	<2F10A513-98D2-4FA1-A842-6F4B55C9318D@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <D07A1F04-0247-4608-9976-A15EC949686E@virgin.net>


On Dec 14, 2008, at 13:11, Robbie Murray wrote:

> I have it on the iMac as a QuickTime Movie; and mp4 file, and an  
> m4v ....

I don't use the latest iMovie as I found it was a definite step  
backwards but my thought is that the file formats you have mentioned  
are not what you want to use to burn a good quality DVD as they are  
all a bit lossy, I think. Somewhere you should still have a saved  
version of your edit in iMovie, it is likely to be of a very large  
size and that is what should be sent to iDVD to continue the process.

Paul C


From homeopathy.expert at googlemail.com  Sun Dec 14 13:50:04 2008
From: homeopathy.expert at googlemail.com (Simon King)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:50:04 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Can anyone help?
In-Reply-To: <200458AC-00E4-4BB5-91C5-27D09A9AE973@f2s.com>
References: <200458AC-00E4-4BB5-91C5-27D09A9AE973@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <734d07ef0812140550l58b40e1ehd4e35b768ad96547@mail.gmail.com>

Know how you feel Robbie, (you know the similar problems I had!) but I would
imagine it is the fact that you;re on an Intel machine, despite your being
able to get it to do it once .

For some reason I can't even burn Cds now - I give up with this B*^%$Y
machine:lol: - so you have my sympathy - not  lot of use I know!

Apple has by all accounts dropped firewire -presumably due to exactly these
sort of problems?

Simon

On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Robbie Murray <robbiemurray at f2s.com>wrote:

> My daughter was married last week, and we had the wedding recorded on my
> Sony Mini DV camcorder.
>
> Transferring the data to my iMac via Firewire was a nightmare - the
> original iMovie just refused to see the camera, and it was only after a lot
> of juggling I eventually managed it in iMovie08.
>
> After a lot of trial and error working out how it worked, I manage to
> produce a credible edit, but when I saved it it was in m4v format, which
> appears to be an Apple version of MP4, specially for iPod/iPhone platforms.
>
> When I tried to burn it, using Disk utility, the file was greyed out, so I
> then saved another copy as a QuickTime movie, but this too was greyed out in
> Disk Utility.
>
> I took a copy of the m4v file and renamed it mp4 - still no joy.
>
> I then tried Toast Titanium 6, which was happy to have a go, but after
> about 2 hours of encoding, reported "Unable to complete:  error -50" . All
> very helpful.
>
> i thought I'd give iDVD a go, but that won't even launch - quits
> immediately.  A trawl of the web identified this as a common problem, but
> after trying all the suggested fixes (removing preference files and mucking
> about with 'Themes' folder), was no further forward.
>
> Thinking that perhaps the Sony DVD+RW discs I was using may be the problem,
> I went to Tesco at 11:00pm  Thursday and bought a batch of DVD+R.
>
> Tried again - no joy.  Tried again several times more, and on Friday
> evening eventually managed to burn one successful DVD, just in time to pick
> up the bride & groom from their honeymoon.
>
> They loved it, and want 6 more copies.  I hope I can simply copy disc to
> disc, but in the meantime have learned how to Title the movie and add
> credits for a bit of fun, so since 7:00 am today have been trying again, and
> am back at square one.
>
> Apple support doesn't recognise the error, and is very unhelpful regarding
> DVD burning:  Roxio has a couple of suggestions, but they have made no
> difference.
>
> The Toast I have is the latest upgrade of V6, the only oddity being that it
> shows as a PPC application in GetInfo - could it be incompatible with Intel,
> but if so, how did I manage to do it once?
>
> My iMac is 2.4Ghz Intel core 2 duo, less than 6 months old.
>
> Does any one have any wisdom/experience/advice to offer?
>
> Totally frustrated ....
>
>
> Robbie
>
>
>
> Robbie Murray
> robbiemurray at f2s.com
> 01603-620749
> 01603-516175
> 07882-007667
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



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Kind Regards

Simon King

227 St Leonards Rd
Norwich
Norfolk
NR1 4JN
UK
01603 466092
07954 581 774


From ghowells at f2s.com  Sun Dec 14 13:55:25 2008
From: ghowells at f2s.com (G.Howells)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:55:25 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Eudora vanishing trick?
Message-ID: <a06240803c56abd705d7b@[192.168.2.3]>

Hi everyone.

Recently the "Check mail" button in Eudora vanished and was replaced 
by one labelled
'A  comd + "w" '
the capital A having a box drawn around it ?suggesting?
When this button is pressed (being labelled cmd+w, of course) it 
closes down the email window on the screen.
I have used Eudora for years and this has never happened before!
Does anyone know how I can change it back?
I haven't found anything in Eudora Prefs, and have tried quitting 
Eudora and re-opening, etc.
In the meantime I'm using the keyboard shortcut cmd+M (which I didn't 
know before would work!)

Gordon


From robbiemurray at f2s.com  Sun Dec 14 13:59:53 2008
From: robbiemurray at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 13:59:53 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Can anyone help?
In-Reply-To: <D07A1F04-0247-4608-9976-A15EC949686E@virgin.net>
References: <30486C28-D8C8-48D9-98EA-6B089DF6F3E2@f2s.com>
	<AEA6FEE5-172B-44C1-931C-6362260AD646@dsol.co.uk>
	<2F10A513-98D2-4FA1-A842-6F4B55C9318D@f2s.com>
	<D07A1F04-0247-4608-9976-A15EC949686E@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <2E373B78-8934-4919-997C-C8F5C4AC3CA3@f2s.com>

Thanks Paul, I'd love to, but as I said, I can't open iDVD!

Quits on launch with an error report.

It's a kosher, boxed, licenced version of iLife 08 purchased from  
Apple ....

Robbie


On 14 Dec 2008, at 13:24, Paul Chapman wrote:


On Dec 14, 2008, at 13:11, Robbie Murray wrote:

> I have it on the iMac as a QuickTime Movie; and mp4 file, and an  
> m4v ....

I don't use the latest iMovie as I found it was a definite step  
backwards but my thought is that the file formats you have mentioned  
are not what you want to use to burn a good quality DVD as they are  
all a bit lossy, I think. Somewhere you should still have a saved  
version of your edit in iMovie, it is likely to be of a very large  
size and that is what should be sent to iDVD to continue the process.

Paul C
_______________________________________________
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http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


Robbie Murray
robbiemurray at f2s.com
01603-620749
01603-516175
07882-007667




From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Sun Dec 14 14:01:55 2008
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:01:55 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Can anyone help?
In-Reply-To: <734d07ef0812140550l58b40e1ehd4e35b768ad96547@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200458AC-00E4-4BB5-91C5-27D09A9AE973@f2s.com>
	<734d07ef0812140550l58b40e1ehd4e35b768ad96547@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5E196574-161A-45BA-8BF6-A86DADC5AC0C@virgin.net>


On Dec 14, 2008, at 13:50, Simon King wrote:

> Know how you feel Robbie, (you know the similar problems I had!) but  
> I would
> imagine it is the fact that you;re on an Intel machine, despite your  
> being
> able to get it to do it once .
>
> For some reason I can't even burn Cds now - I give up with this B*^%$Y
> machine:lol: - so you have my sympathy - not  lot of use I know!


I'm on a 2.4GHz iMac running 10.5.5 and I am happily burning CDs and  
DVDs. The DVDs can be from camcorder footage imported through iMovie,  
copies of old videos imported through iMovie and occasionally some  
compilations of little video clips I have found on the Web, YouTube  
etc. Sometimes if I want a quick and simple DVD I go via Toast but to  
get the more sophisticated menus and chapters I send it via iDVD. The  
only problem I had at the beginning was that the latest iMovie had  
taken a step backwards as Apple thought it was getting too good for  
the masses. All I did was reinstall an earlier version and everything  
has been fine ever since.

Paul C


From robbiemurray at f2s.com  Sun Dec 14 14:02:31 2008
From: robbiemurray at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:02:31 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Can anyone help?
In-Reply-To: <734d07ef0812140550l58b40e1ehd4e35b768ad96547@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200458AC-00E4-4BB5-91C5-27D09A9AE973@f2s.com>
	<734d07ef0812140550l58b40e1ehd4e35b768ad96547@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6B1E0F89-9C7D-4C4F-BBC8-0BAF18DD0CFD@f2s.com>

Thanks for the comment Simon, but can't see what Firewire has to do  
with it - the problems there were with iMovie, but now it's a DVD  
burning problem using the internal optical drive!

Robbie


On 14 Dec 2008, at 13:50, Simon King wrote:

Know how you feel Robbie, (you know the similar problems I had!) but I  
would
imagine it is the fact that you;re on an Intel machine, despite your  
being
able to get it to do it once .

For some reason I can't even burn Cds now - I give up with this B*^%$Y
machine:lol: - so you have my sympathy - not  lot of use I know!

Apple has by all accounts dropped firewire -presumably due to exactly  
these
sort of problems?

Simon

On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Robbie Murray  
<robbiemurray at f2s.com>wrote:

> My daughter was married last week, and we had the wedding recorded  
> on my
> Sony Mini DV camcorder.
>
> Transferring the data to my iMac via Firewire was a nightmare - the
> original iMovie just refused to see the camera, and it was only  
> after a lot
> of juggling I eventually managed it in iMovie08.
>
> After a lot of trial and error working out how it worked, I manage to
> produce a credible edit, but when I saved it it was in m4v format,  
> which
> appears to be an Apple version of MP4, specially for iPod/iPhone  
> platforms.
>
> When I tried to burn it, using Disk utility, the file was greyed  
> out, so I
> then saved another copy as a QuickTime movie, but this too was  
> greyed out in
> Disk Utility.
>
> I took a copy of the m4v file and renamed it mp4 - still no joy.
>
> I then tried Toast Titanium 6, which was happy to have a go, but after
> about 2 hours of encoding, reported "Unable to complete:  error  
> -50" . All
> very helpful.
>
> i thought I'd give iDVD a go, but that won't even launch - quits
> immediately.  A trawl of the web identified this as a common  
> problem, but
> after trying all the suggested fixes (removing preference files and  
> mucking
> about with 'Themes' folder), was no further forward.
>
> Thinking that perhaps the Sony DVD+RW discs I was using may be the  
> problem,
> I went to Tesco at 11:00pm  Thursday and bought a batch of DVD+R.
>
> Tried again - no joy.  Tried again several times more, and on Friday
> evening eventually managed to burn one successful DVD, just in time  
> to pick
> up the bride & groom from their honeymoon.
>
> They loved it, and want 6 more copies.  I hope I can simply copy  
> disc to
> disc, but in the meantime have learned how to Title the movie and add
> credits for a bit of fun, so since 7:00 am today have been trying  
> again, and
> am back at square one.
>
> Apple support doesn't recognise the error, and is very unhelpful  
> regarding
> DVD burning:  Roxio has a couple of suggestions, but they have made no
> difference.
>
> The Toast I have is the latest upgrade of V6, the only oddity being  
> that it
> shows as a PPC application in GetInfo - could it be incompatible  
> with Intel,
> but if so, how did I manage to do it once?
>
> My iMac is 2.4Ghz Intel core 2 duo, less than 6 months old.
>
> Does any one have any wisdom/experience/advice to offer?
>
> Totally frustrated ....
>
>
> Robbie
>
>
>
> Robbie Murray
> robbiemurray at f2s.com
> 01603-620749
> 01603-516175
> 07882-007667
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



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NR1 4JN
UK
01603 466092
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07882-007667




From david at vanedwards.co.uk  Sun Dec 14 14:11:09 2008
From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:11:09 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Eudora vanishing trick?
In-Reply-To: <a06240803c56abd705d7b@[192.168.2.3]>
References: <a06240803c56abd705d7b@[192.168.2.3]>
Message-ID: <p06240803c56ac3a64a7e@[192.168.1.101]>

Dear Gordon,

I don't have the toolbar showing at all and always use Cmd-M to check 
mail. But I've just tried displaying toolbar in preferences with the 
large icons and names and it worked fine. Perhaps try changing the 
display to some other setting in the toolbar preferences, like large 
icon and names or small icon and names etc. And see if any of the 
versions work.

Best wishes,

David

At 13:55 +0000 14/12/08, G.Howells wrote:
>Hi everyone.
>
>Recently the "Check mail" button in Eudora vanished and was replaced 
>by one labelled
>'A  comd + "w" '
>the capital A having a box drawn around it ?suggesting?
>When this button is pressed (being labelled cmd+w, of course) it 
>closes down the email window on the screen.
>I have used Eudora for years and this has never happened before!
>Does anyone know how I can change it back?
>I haven't found anything in Eudora Prefs, and have tried quitting 
>Eudora and re-opening, etc.
>In the meantime I'm using the keyboard shortcut cmd+M (which I 
>didn't know before would work!)
>
>Gordon
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England.

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From robbiemurray at f2s.com  Sun Dec 14 14:25:14 2008
From: robbiemurray at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:25:14 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Can anyone help?
In-Reply-To: <3DC7DE12-06D1-431B-80C4-97BFE677E729@dsol.co.uk>
References: <30486C28-D8C8-48D9-98EA-6B089DF6F3E2@f2s.com>
	<AEA6FEE5-172B-44C1-931C-6362260AD646@dsol.co.uk>
	<2F10A513-98D2-4FA1-A842-6F4B55C9318D@f2s.com>
	<3DC7DE12-06D1-431B-80C4-97BFE677E729@dsol.co.uk>
Message-ID: <78D5B832-21D9-49E2-9A15-BA461D6AC8FB@f2s.com>

Thanks Allan:

I have used iMovie 06 in the past, and if it had been prepared to  
recognise the camera, would have stuck with it, but no matter what I  
did, it just reported 'No Camera Attached', so I tried 08 and after a  
few attempts it worked.

iDVD crashes on launch as I said below.   Codecs are way beyond my ken  
- I just thought it would be nice to video my daughters wedding and  
give them it on DVD to watch on the telly, which I thought would be  
straightforward.

I've used Apple machines since the Apple ll and found them always  
simple and intuitive:  everything else with an 'i' prefix - software  
or hardware - has worked flawlessly,  but even after reading up on  
iMovie and iDVD,can't make head nor tail of it!

I'm not alone with the iDVD problem - it's all over the internet, but  
Apple remain silent - a bit like the problem with screen garbage on  
some machines (including mine) in 10.5.5 which has been traced to a  
particular version of the video drivers: happening even on brand new  
machines.  I haven't raised it on Nmug, as I suspected if anyone else  
was experiencing it they would have shouted.

Looks like not all versions of OS are identical, as it seems to affect  
those upgrading using Software Update rather than the combo updater.

Anyway, I can live with that until they admit it and fix it, but I'd  
sure like to burn this DVD!

Robbie



On 14 Dec 2008, at 13:55, Allan wrote:

Long time since I used these apps as I always use FCP, but having  
assembled the project in iMovie 6 (Far batter than iMovie 8) go to the  
menu bar and choose Share and select iDVD, the project, plus any  
chapter markers you have made, will be sent to iDVD. In my case the  
iMovie 6 project went to iDVD 8. You can now fine tune the appearance  
of the DVD.

Under the Share option in either Imovie 6 or 8 you could also choose  
to export as a QT movie. This finished move can than be imported into  
iDVD and automatically formatted, or dropped onto the video tab of  
Toast - Not sure about version 6 but the latest version 9 does a  
pretty good job even allowing you skip the templates it provides so  
the DVD open s automatically when a used inserts the DVd into a machine.

Of course you could elect to export your project manually and choose  
the codecs you feel appropriate for your needs. But beware, the whole  
codec issue can be a nightmare and I would advise you to do some  
extensive reading to find the best settings. The default ones chosen  
by Apple in the export to iDVD are pretty good.

Incidentally, how long is the running time of the project.

Allan

On 14 Dec 2008, at 13:11, Robbie Murray wrote:

> Hi Allan
>
> It's a MV901 Mini DV Camcorder, but I've overcome that hurdle - It's  
> now down simply to burning the resultant file to DVD:
>
> I have it on the iMac as a QuickTime Movie; and mp4 file, and an  
> m4v ....
>
>
> Robbie
>
>
> On 14 Dec 2008, at 12:43, Allan wrote:
>
> Hi Robbie
>
> Sorry to hear about your problem.
>
> First of all can you tell me what Sony MIni DV camcorder you are  
> using? As mucg detail as possible will help.
>
> Allan Johns
>
>
> On 14 Dec 2008, at 12:00, Robbie Murray wrote:
>
>> Forgot to add .....
>>
>> I also tried saving in Toast as a disk image, but after 2 hours,  
>> same error ......
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> My daughter was married last week, and we had the wedding recorded  
>> on my Sony Mini DV camcorder.
>>
>> Transferring the data to my iMac via Firewire was a nightmare - the  
>> original iMovie just refused to see the camera, and it was only  
>> after a lot of juggling I eventually managed it in iMovie08.
>>
>> After a lot of trial and error working out how it worked, I manage  
>> to produce a credible edit, but when I saved it it was in m4v  
>> format, which appears to be an Apple version of MP4, specially for  
>> iPod/iPhone platforms.
>>
>> When I tried to burn it, using Disk utility, the file was greyed  
>> out, so I then saved another copy as a QuickTime movie, but this  
>> too was greyed out in Disk Utility.
>>
>> I took a copy of the m4v file and renamed it mp4 - still no joy.
>>
>> I then tried Toast Titanium 6, which was happy to have a go, but  
>> after about 2 hours of encoding, reported "Unable to complete:   
>> error -50" . All very helpful.
>>
>> i thought I'd give iDVD a go, but that won't even launch - quits  
>> immediately.  A trawl of the web identified this as a common  
>> problem, but after trying all the suggested fixes (removing  
>> preference files and mucking about with 'Themes' folder), was no  
>> further forward.
>>
>> Thinking that perhaps the Sony DVD+RW discs I was using may be the  
>> problem, I went to Tesco at 11:00pm  Thursday and bought a batch of  
>> DVD+R.
>>
>> Tried again - no joy.  Tried again several times more, and on  
>> Friday evening eventually managed to burn one successful DVD, just  
>> in time to pick up the bride & groom from their honeymoon.
>>
>> They loved it, and want 6 more copies.  I hope I can simply copy  
>> disc to disc, but in the meantime have learned how to Title the  
>> movie and add credits for a bit of fun, so since 7:00 am today have  
>> been trying again, and am back at square one.
>>
>> Apple support doesn't recognise the error, and is very unhelpful  
>> regarding DVD burning:  Roxio has a couple of suggestions, but they  
>> have made no difference.
>>
>> The Toast I have is the latest upgrade of V6, the only oddity being  
>> that it shows as a PPC application in GetInfo - could it be  
>> incompatible with Intel, but if so, how did I manage to do it once?
>>
>> My iMac is 2.4Ghz Intel core 2 duo, less than 6 months old.
>>
>> Does any one have any wisdom/experience/advice to offer?
>>
>> Totally frustrated ....
>>
>>
>> Robbie
>>
>>
>>
>> Robbie Murray
>> robbiemurray at f2s.com
>> 01603-620749
>> 01603-516175
>> 07882-007667
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Robbie Murray
> robbiemurray at f2s.com
> 01603-620749
> 01603-516175
> 07882-007667
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>



Robbie Murray
robbiemurray at f2s.com
01603-620749
01603-516175
07882-007667




From robbiemurray at f2s.com  Sun Dec 14 14:32:31 2008
From: robbiemurray at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:32:31 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Can anyone help?
In-Reply-To: <009120B4-EEA7-48DA-8C2F-BF40D8D16ED6@dsol.co.uk>
References: <30486C28-D8C8-48D9-98EA-6B089DF6F3E2@f2s.com>
	<AEA6FEE5-172B-44C1-931C-6362260AD646@dsol.co.uk>
	<2F10A513-98D2-4FA1-A842-6F4B55C9318D@f2s.com>
	<D07A1F04-0247-4608-9976-A15EC949686E@virgin.net>
	<2E373B78-8934-4919-997C-C8F5C4AC3CA3@f2s.com>
	<009120B4-EEA7-48DA-8C2F-BF40D8D16ED6@dsol.co.uk>
Message-ID: <B5A2BDC7-75B1-4F8C-80F7-DD46EA6EC994@f2s.com>

Done the deletion already - no change!

Maybe try a re-install as you suggest, but there are many others with  
the same problem, and no-one has yet said that fixed the problem.

Robbie

On 14 Dec 2008, at 14:03, Allan wrote:

Try deleting the iDVD plist. if this doesn't help, re-install from the  
iLife disc.

Allan


On 14 Dec 2008, at 13:59, Robbie Murray wrote:

> Thanks Paul, I'd love to, but as I said, I can't open iDVD!
>
> Quits on launch with an error report.
>
> It's a kosher, boxed, licenced version of iLife 08 purchased from  
> Apple ....
>
> Robbie
>
>
> On 14 Dec 2008, at 13:24, Paul Chapman wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 14, 2008, at 13:11, Robbie Murray wrote:
>
>> I have it on the iMac as a QuickTime Movie; and mp4 file, and an  
>> m4v ....
>
> I don't use the latest iMovie as I found it was a definite step  
> backwards but my thought is that the file formats you have mentioned  
> are not what you want to use to burn a good quality DVD as they are  
> all a bit lossy, I think. Somewhere you should still have a saved  
> version of your edit in iMovie, it is likely to be of a very large  
> size and that is what should be sent to iDVD to continue the process.
>
> Paul C
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
> Robbie Murray
> robbiemurray at f2s.com
> 01603-620749
> 01603-516175
> 07882-007667
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>



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01603-620749
01603-516175
07882-007667




From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Sun Dec 14 14:48:12 2008
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:48:12 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Can anyone help?
In-Reply-To: <2E373B78-8934-4919-997C-C8F5C4AC3CA3@f2s.com>
References: <30486C28-D8C8-48D9-98EA-6B089DF6F3E2@f2s.com>
	<AEA6FEE5-172B-44C1-931C-6362260AD646@dsol.co.uk>
	<2F10A513-98D2-4FA1-A842-6F4B55C9318D@f2s.com>
	<D07A1F04-0247-4608-9976-A15EC949686E@virgin.net>
	<2E373B78-8934-4919-997C-C8F5C4AC3CA3@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <A8512A47-B880-4388-BD3E-E48822653398@virgin.net>


On Dec 14, 2008, at 13:59, Robbie Murray wrote:

> Thanks Paul, I'd love to, but as I said, I can't open iDVD!

Do you open iDVD from the iDVD application icon or do you open it from  
within iMovie?

Just to clarify I do not use the iMovie in iLife 08 but iMovie HD from  
2005.

Paul C



From homeopathy.expert at googlemail.com  Sun Dec 14 15:06:45 2008
From: homeopathy.expert at googlemail.com (Simon King)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:06:45 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Can anyone help?
In-Reply-To: <2E373B78-8934-4919-997C-C8F5C4AC3CA3@f2s.com>
References: <30486C28-D8C8-48D9-98EA-6B089DF6F3E2@f2s.com>
	<AEA6FEE5-172B-44C1-931C-6362260AD646@dsol.co.uk>
	<2F10A513-98D2-4FA1-A842-6F4B55C9318D@f2s.com>
	<D07A1F04-0247-4608-9976-A15EC949686E@virgin.net>
	<2E373B78-8934-4919-997C-C8F5C4AC3CA3@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <734d07ef0812140706k58a355f0ic256d13b094ff42c@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds like theyve given you a PPC version of iLife

On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Robbie Murray <robbiemurray at f2s.com> wrote:

> Thanks Paul, I'd love to, but as I said, I can't open iDVD!
>
> Quits on launch with an error report.
>
> It's a kosher, boxed, licenced version of iLife 08 purchased from Apple
> ....
>
> Robbie
>
>
>
> On 14 Dec 2008, at 13:24, Paul Chapman wrote:
>
>
> On Dec 14, 2008, at 13:11, Robbie Murray wrote:
>
>  I have it on the iMac as a QuickTime Movie; and mp4 file, and an m4v ....
>>
>
> I don't use the latest iMovie as I found it was a definite step backwards
> but my thought is that the file formats you have mentioned are not what you
> want to use to burn a good quality DVD as they are all a bit lossy, I think.
> Somewhere you should still have a saved version of your edit in iMovie, it
> is likely to be of a very large size and that is what should be sent to iDVD
> to continue the process.
>
> Paul C
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
> Robbie Murray
> robbiemurray at f2s.com
> 01603-620749
> 01603-516175
> 07882-007667
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>



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Kind Regards

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Norfolk
NR1 4JN
UK
01603 466092
07954 581 774


From robbiemurray at f2s.com  Sun Dec 14 15:15:09 2008
From: robbiemurray at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 15:15:09 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Can anyone help?
In-Reply-To: <A8512A47-B880-4388-BD3E-E48822653398@virgin.net>
References: <30486C28-D8C8-48D9-98EA-6B089DF6F3E2@f2s.com>
	<AEA6FEE5-172B-44C1-931C-6362260AD646@dsol.co.uk>
	<2F10A513-98D2-4FA1-A842-6F4B55C9318D@f2s.com>
	<D07A1F04-0247-4608-9976-A15EC949686E@virgin.net>
	<2E373B78-8934-4919-997C-C8F5C4AC3CA3@f2s.com>
	<A8512A47-B880-4388-BD3E-E48822653398@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <C52CE59A-F1DF-45E4-8FB2-A7DF8013EEDB@f2s.com>

Thanks Paul

I'm trying to open iDVD directly from the Apps folder - didn't know  
there was another way!

I used iMovie 08 simply because the older version wouldn't recognise  
the camera.

I've moved on a little, and managed to create a .toast file of the  
movie without Toast crashing, so now need to try to burn it to a blank  
DVD.

Watch this space ....

Robbie


On 14 Dec 2008, at 14:48, Paul Chapman wrote:


On Dec 14, 2008, at 13:59, Robbie Murray wrote:

> Thanks Paul, I'd love to, but as I said, I can't open iDVD!

Do you open iDVD from the iDVD application icon or do you open it from  
within iMovie?

Just to clarify I do not use the iMovie in iLife 08 but iMovie HD from  
2005.

Paul C

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01603-620749
01603-516175
07882-007667




From robbiemurray at f2s.com  Mon Dec 15 07:49:15 2008
From: robbiemurray at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:49:15 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] DVD Burning Problems: Can anyone help?
In-Reply-To: <A8512A47-B880-4388-BD3E-E48822653398@virgin.net>
References: <30486C28-D8C8-48D9-98EA-6B089DF6F3E2@f2s.com>
	<AEA6FEE5-172B-44C1-931C-6362260AD646@dsol.co.uk>
	<2F10A513-98D2-4FA1-A842-6F4B55C9318D@f2s.com>
	<D07A1F04-0247-4608-9976-A15EC949686E@virgin.net>
	<2E373B78-8934-4919-997C-C8F5C4AC3CA3@f2s.com>
	<A8512A47-B880-4388-BD3E-E48822653398@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <824C1234-E4EE-4061-A703-D5A5E0DD21D9@f2s.com>

Well I'm not sure how I finally did it, but eventually got it to work  
in Toast by saving as an image file, then copying to blank media.

Looks like encoding and writing 52 minutes worth of video all at once  
is just too much for 2.4Ghz of processor and 2Gb of memory.

Disk Utility just hung, and I still can't launch iDVD, but I now have  
10 copies for the families.

Thanks for all the advice!

Robbie's DVD Production Company


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Dec 15 10:51:39 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 10:51:39 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Slow, Buggy & Flu Ridden
Message-ID: <864F6B6F-5FE5-42F6-A028-0BF4D96A9D82@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I was looking through the Google resources and thought the description  
of Chrome was funny.

'A browser built for speed, stability and security'.

Surely that is every browsers selling points. They are hardly going to  
tell you it is slow to load, crashes every two minutes and has slacker  
security than the Euro tunnel.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
--- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5



From hughmorgan at turrethouse.demon.co.uk  Mon Dec 15 11:20:15 2008
From: hughmorgan at turrethouse.demon.co.uk (hugh morgan)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:20:15 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] receiving jpeg attachments
Message-ID: <a06240801c56bdeb8c880@[192.168.0.2]>

Could someone please tell me why jpegs received as attachments to 
Emails are already open when I open the email, so I can't just drag a 
jpeg off onto the desk top and use it?  (I'm sure I have sometimes 
received usable jpegs by email) Although I can print an image from 
the email, I can't transfer it to my own store of jpegs.   Although 
it might say , for example, IMG 1563 jpeg at the bottom of the 
picture, I haven't found any way to transfer it.     Is it a matter 
of how it's sent or of how it's received?  Should I be adjusting my 
Eudora settings?   Under attachments in the settings window the only 
two boxes checked are :-

SENDING
ENCODING METHOD	AppleDouble ("MIME")
and
RECEIVING  		Receive MIME Digests as attachments

(I have no idea what a MIME digest is or what might be being encoded!)

Recent jpegs received don't seem to be in the attachments folder.

Hugh Morgan   (aka silly old fool)

From robbiemurray at f2s.com  Mon Dec 15 20:30:14 2008
From: robbiemurray at f2s.com (Robbie Murray)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:30:14 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] 'Blazingly Fast Broadband'
Message-ID: <ABC3ABE8-3CB7-4356-AD24-86D915BE01DD@f2s.com>

I see Virgin are launching 50Mbps.  In view of the ongoing comments to  
the group from one or two sufferers, I wonder what it'll do to  
Torrenters ....


Robbie


From michelehurst at mac.com  Mon Dec 15 20:52:22 2008
From: michelehurst at mac.com (Michele Hurst)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:52:22 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] re increasing ram on powerbook
Message-ID: <49D68BE4-930E-46EB-9CE9-82B7C5732119@mac.com>

Hi
Just to thank everyone so much for their advice re upgrading ram on my  
g4 17" powerbook. Have added 1g to existing 512mb and it has made a  
HUGE difference!!!!!!!!
Thanks again
Michele

Michele Hurst
michelehurst at mac.com





From Stuartrichards at fastmail.fm  Mon Dec 15 20:56:00 2008
From: Stuartrichards at fastmail.fm (Stuart Richards)
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:56:00 +0000
Subject: Fwd: [NMUG] 'Blazingly Fast Broadband'
References: <99D41B2D-7639-4FC0-824C-CBD98436A1B3@fastmail.fm>
Message-ID: <D9C91AA6-3D9A-40F2-BE7E-E0002147B7F4@fastmail.fm>


For more info look at this:

  http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/i/3822.html

Regards

Stuart

Stuartrichards at fastmail.fm

On 15 Dec 2008, at 20:30, Robbie Murray wrote:

I see Virgin are launching 50Mbps.  In view of the ongoing comments to  
the group from one or two sufferers, I wonder what it'll do to  
Torrenters ....





From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Dec 16 00:45:25 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 00:45:25 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] 'Blazingly Fast Broadband'
In-Reply-To: <D9C91AA6-3D9A-40F2-BE7E-E0002147B7F4@fastmail.fm>
References: <99D41B2D-7639-4FC0-824C-CBD98436A1B3@fastmail.fm>
	<D9C91AA6-3D9A-40F2-BE7E-E0002147B7F4@fastmail.fm>
Message-ID: <FA95248B-8A91-4E0F-B1DE-7184C64F444B@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

Very interesting, but come on, who needs 50MB broadband speed.

The best I get from my Tiscali service is 6MB, and it still means 4  
computers can browse, stream and download without any problems or  
delays.

Simon

On 15 Dec 2008, at 20:56, Stuart Richards wrote:

>
> For more info look at this:
>
> http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/i/3822.html
>
> Regards
>
> Stuart
>
> Stuartrichards at fastmail.fm
>
> On 15 Dec 2008, at 20:30, Robbie Murray wrote:
>
> I see Virgin are launching 50Mbps.  In view of the ongoing comments  
> to the group from one or two sufferers, I wonder what it'll do to  
> Torrenters ....
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>

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--- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5



From paulharrowing at waitrose.com  Tue Dec 16 09:55:45 2008
From: paulharrowing at waitrose.com (Paul Harrowing)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:55:45 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] DVDs & Happy Christmas
Message-ID: <9CCB7227-AB28-4288-8497-323D2825788E@waitrose.com>

I have been reading about the problems that some people have had  
writing DVDs and I thought I was lucky. But then again I have not  
needed to write one for some time.
Yesterday I had the need and stuck a TDK in the slot and after a short  
time it was spat out. Tried another then an Apple branded one with  
same results. Tried a CD and it wrote it with no problem, then tried a  
Pioneer DVD RW which wrote OK.
So it seems my writer, which has never given a problem before, has  
developed a dislike of some discs, which it was quite happy with  
previously.
For ref. I tried Toast 7 & 8 but the only time the disc stayed in long  
enough to be recognised Toast said "You cannot write to this disc"

Happy Christmas to all, and see you on here just before New Year.

I'm off to Mexico City for a couple of weeks from tomorrow.

PAH


From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Tue Dec 16 10:04:38 2008
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:04:38 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] DVDs & Happy Christmas
In-Reply-To: <9CCB7227-AB28-4288-8497-323D2825788E@waitrose.com>
References: <9CCB7227-AB28-4288-8497-323D2825788E@waitrose.com>
Message-ID: <5458CED0-6FB6-45EA-BDB9-CE2ED734721F@virgin.net>


On Dec 16, 2008, at 09:55, Paul Harrowing wrote:

> So it seems my writer, which has never given a problem before, has  
> developed a dislike of some discs, which it was quite happy with  
> previously.
> For ref. I tried Toast 7 & 8 but the only time the disc stayed in  
> long enough to be recognised Toast said "You cannot write to this  
> disc"

So it's just a matter of time before my 100% record of disc burning on  
my iMac (upwards of 100 DVD-Rs, DVD-RWs, CDs and CD-RWs) comes to a  
stop, oh well.


> I'm off to Mexico City for a couple of weeks from tomorrow.

Feliz Navidad!

Cheers

Paul C



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Dec 16 10:25:32 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:25:32 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] 10.5.6 Out & Installed
Message-ID: <644EC580-DF3B-4748-A4D2-8C49A567D4EC@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I have just installed the latest update to Leopard. Not had it running  
long enough to see any problems, but it is all working fine.

Had a bit of a scary moment while installing. On reboot, the spinning  
wheel on the grey screen came up but it didn't have an Apple logo it  
had a no-entry sign. In a panic I turned it off and on again and it  
booted fine and seems to be ok. I checked About This Mac and it says  
10.5.6.

Never seen this no-entry sign before personally.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
--- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5



From munkt0n at gmail.com  Tue Dec 16 10:44:49 2008
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:44:49 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] DVDs & Happy Christmas
In-Reply-To: <5458CED0-6FB6-45EA-BDB9-CE2ED734721F@virgin.net>
References: <9CCB7227-AB28-4288-8497-323D2825788E@waitrose.com>
	<5458CED0-6FB6-45EA-BDB9-CE2ED734721F@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0812160244h1b45e97cu8513d8bfd286fd9e@mail.gmail.com>

I won a copy of the 'disco' burning app in the macheist contest a couple of
years back, for a while I thought my DVD/CD writer had broken, as every CD
or DVD I made could only be read by the same machine that wrote it.
Then I switched back to using 'toast' and everything was fine again.

On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 10:04 AM, Paul Chapman <penguin.999 at virgin.net>wrote:

>
> On Dec 16, 2008, at 09:55, Paul Harrowing wrote:
>
>  So it seems my writer, which has never given a problem before, has
>> developed a dislike of some discs, which it was quite happy with previously.
>> For ref. I tried Toast 7 & 8 but the only time the disc stayed in long
>> enough to be recognised Toast said "You cannot write to this disc"
>>
>
> So it's just a matter of time before my 100% record of disc burning on my
> iMac (upwards of 100 DVD-Rs, DVD-RWs, CDs and CD-RWs) comes to a stop, oh
> well.
>
>
>  I'm off to Mexico City for a couple of weeks from tomorrow.
>>
>
> Feliz Navidad!
>
> Cheers
>
> Paul C
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



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:wq


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Dec 16 10:54:33 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:54:33 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] TrackPad
Message-ID: <ABCF27C9-0EF7-48E0-950C-DC47DA30202C@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

After installing the 10.5.6 update I noticed in System Preferences  
there is a new pane called TrackPad. I am sure this wasn't there under  
10.5.5.

The Keyboard & Mouse pane is still there though, although there are no  
mouse options in it, just keyboard.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
--- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Dec 16 10:57:35 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:57:35 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Broken Mac ParcelForce
Message-ID: <1DA142F2-D323-4114-9E47-5FB1F3BDFA6E@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

After my PayPal scandal last week I finally got my eMac back from  
ParcelForce and thought I had escaped with only losing the courier  
cost. However I opened the box to find the eMac in pieces.

The screen housing is broke and the back white circle of plastic  
housing has come off too. Has anyone had dealings with ParcelForce  
compensation or whatever it is called. Am I fighting a losing battle?

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
--- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Dec 16 11:01:40 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:01:40 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Mail Contact Pictures
Message-ID: <94492CB1-8D73-4369-B320-6F08E8E6AD27@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

Yet another post from me today, you know what I am like.

Anyway, I have contact pictures for everyone in my Address Book (yes  
that includes most of you on the group) and use iSync to sync them to  
my mobile phone. I noticed today that if I receive an email from  
someone in my Address Book then the picture appears in Mail.

I just wondered if that is for my benefit only or does it go with the  
email. I.E. do you all see a picture of me with my red Mac t-shirt on  
when I post? I presume it is a Mail only thing - being integrated with  
the Address Book.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
--- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5



From band1 at mac.com  Tue Dec 16 11:03:37 2008
From: band1 at mac.com (David King)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:03:37 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Mail Contact Pictures
In-Reply-To: <94492CB1-8D73-4369-B320-6F08E8E6AD27@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <94492CB1-8D73-4369-B320-6F08E8E6AD27@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7737CAB0-80DE-473A-9B35-E16457409366@mac.com>

Thankfully no.



On 16 Dec 2008, at 11:01, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> Yet another post from me today, you know what I am like.
>
> Anyway, I have contact pictures for everyone in my Address Book (yes  
> that includes most of you on the group) and use iSync to sync them  
> to my mobile phone. I noticed today that if I receive an email from  
> someone in my Address Book then the picture appears in Mail.
>
> I just wondered if that is for my benefit only or does it go with  
> the email. I.E. do you all see a picture of me with my red Mac t- 
> shirt on when I post? I presume it is a Mail only thing - being  
> integrated with the Address Book.
>
> Simon
>
> --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
> --- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Tue Dec 16 11:07:49 2008
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:07:49 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] TrackPad
In-Reply-To: <ABCF27C9-0EF7-48E0-950C-DC47DA30202C@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <ABCF27C9-0EF7-48E0-950C-DC47DA30202C@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6615FD7A-79D0-4A95-AC55-F05494133B85@virgin.net>


On Dec 16, 2008, at 10:54, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> After installing the 10.5.6 update I noticed in System Preferences  
> there is a new pane called TrackPad. I am sure this wasn't there  
> under 10.5.5.
>
> The Keyboard & Mouse pane is still there though, although there are  
> no mouse options in it, just keyboard.

The Trackpad panel is there in 10.5.5 if it's on a laptop but of  
course is missing if it's on a desktop. No mouse options on a laptop  
if no mouse is attached but the option pops up if you attach a mouse.  
Nothing new, nothing changed there as far as I can see. I have done  
the update to 10.5.6 on my iMac but was waiting for a day or two  
before doing the same to the MacBook Pro. Someone I know of had lost  
all sound after the update but mine appears to be fine.

Paul C



From sc at davidviner.com  Tue Dec 16 11:09:15 2008
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:09:15 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Broken Mac ParcelForce
In-Reply-To: <1DA142F2-D323-4114-9E47-5FB1F3BDFA6E@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <1DA142F2-D323-4114-9E47-5FB1F3BDFA6E@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <49478C5B.9000608@davidviner.com>

Can't remember if it was ParcelFarce but I have certainly seen problems 
in the past with broken deliveries. The usual thing to remember is, when 
you're signing for a parcel, to write "UNCHECKED" next to your signature 
to indicate that you haven't inspected the goods.

Once, when I was working for a programming company, I saw a van pull up 
with a delivery and watched as the spotty driver's assistant carefully 
dropped the company's new printer onto the ground. Someone else from the 
office was about to just sign for it without checking but I mentioend 
what I'd seen and made the delivery guys wait until we had fully unboxed 
and tested the printer. In that case it had survived the plummet without 
problems but it was worth doing!

David


Simon Royal wrote:
> Hi
>
> After my PayPal scandal last week I finally got my eMac back from 
> ParcelForce and thought I had escaped with only losing the courier 
> cost. However I opened the box to find the eMac in pieces.
>
> The screen housing is broke and the back white circle of plastic 
> housing has come off too. Has anyone had dealings with ParcelForce 
> compensation or whatever it is called. Am I fighting a losing battle?
>
> Simon
>
> --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
> --- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>


From fowler.j at me.com  Tue Dec 16 11:08:50 2008
From: fowler.j at me.com (Jon Fowler)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:08:50 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] TrackPad
In-Reply-To: <ABCF27C9-0EF7-48E0-950C-DC47DA30202C@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <ABCF27C9-0EF7-48E0-950C-DC47DA30202C@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1C0775C7-3570-4213-9B35-0255F9E7188B@me.com>

The trackpad pane is or was designed for the new aluminium MacBook and  
MacBook pro. It allows full control of the revolutionary new features  
only available on these models.

Jon F
Apple Solutions Consultant

Sent from my iPhone

On 16 Dec 2008, at 10:54, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi
>
> After installing the 10.5.6 update I noticed in System Preferences  
> there is a new pane called TrackPad. I am sure this wasn't there  
> under 10.5.5.
>
> The Keyboard & Mouse pane is still there though, although there are  
> no mouse options in it, just keyboard.
>
> Simon
>
> --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
> --- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug


From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Tue Dec 16 11:10:30 2008
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:10:30 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Mail Contact Pictures
In-Reply-To: <94492CB1-8D73-4369-B320-6F08E8E6AD27@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <94492CB1-8D73-4369-B320-6F08E8E6AD27@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <A5AB42E8-4671-4E70-BCED-B4DD6F6679E4@virgin.net>


On Dec 16, 2008, at 11:01, Simon Royal wrote:

> I just wondered if that is for my benefit only or does it go with  
> the email. I.E. do you all see a picture of me with my red Mac t- 
> shirt on when I post? I presume it is a Mail only thing - being  
> integrated with the Address Book.

We can link any picture we like to a particular address which will  
then display when an email from that person comes in. I wonder if you  
would really like to know what I have for you?  :)

Paul C



From dan_tombs at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 16 12:58:45 2008
From: dan_tombs at hotmail.com (Dan Tombs)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:58:45 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] TrackPad / Mac Book Pro Audio
In-Reply-To: <6615FD7A-79D0-4A95-AC55-F05494133B85@virgin.net>
References: <ABCF27C9-0EF7-48E0-950C-DC47DA30202C@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<6615FD7A-79D0-4A95-AC55-F05494133B85@virgin.net>
Message-ID: <BLU122-W324F2A16D9D3553AE8DA669CF50@phx.gbl>


Slightly unrelated but just thought i'd chime in with a bit of advice after seeing Pauls reply, the no sound on the macbook sounds like an issue with the mini jack socket on the machine, this is quite common on the macbooks, as they have a dual optical/analogue socket, sometimes if you take the jack out it can trip the switch into optical only which means the mac thinks it is permantly connected to an optical audio interface and thus cuts out all system sound. 

To cure this issue, which i've done a couple of times is to get a non metal object - match sticks work well and wiggle it gently in the jack socket, if your suffering from this issue there will probably be a red glow in the socket, wiggle the match till this dissaperas and the chances are you've cured it.

Hope this helps some folks

Dan 

> CC: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> From: penguin.999 at virgin.net
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] TrackPad
> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:07:49 +0000
> 
> 
> On Dec 16, 2008, at 10:54, Simon Royal wrote:
> 
> > Hi
> >
> > After installing the 10.5.6 update I noticed in System Preferences  
> > there is a new pane called TrackPad. I am sure this wasn't there  
> > under 10.5.5.
> >
> > The Keyboard & Mouse pane is still there though, although there are  
> > no mouse options in it, just keyboard.
> 
> The Trackpad panel is there in 10.5.5 if it's on a laptop but of  
> course is missing if it's on a desktop. No mouse options on a laptop  
> if no mouse is attached but the option pops up if you attach a mouse.  
> Nothing new, nothing changed there as far as I can see. I have done  
> the update to 10.5.6 on my iMac but was waiting for a day or two  
> before doing the same to the MacBook Pro. Someone I know of had lost  
> all sound after the update but mine appears to be fine.
> 
> Paul C
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug

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From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Tue Dec 16 12:59:04 2008
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:59:04 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] 'Blazingly Fast Broadband'
Message-ID: <71AF250A-279B-4651-B411-373E0A0B60C5@gmail.com>


 >Subject: Re: [NMUG] 'Blazingly Fast Broadband'
To: nmug at durrant.co.uk

 >Hi
 >Very interesting, but come on, who needs 50MB broadband speed. The  
best I get from my Tiscali service is 6MB, and it still means 4    
computers can browse, stream >and download without any problems or   
delays.
 >Simon

It's quite surprising really, here we have someone who will spend  
hours replacing some fiddly bit in an old computer to get 1% more  
performance asking who needs 50MB speed on broadband.... what a  
conundrum you are Simon

I suppose you have a man with a red flag walking in front of your 5  
mph car.. after all, who needs 30 mph?

Who needs 50MB? The answer to this is, anyone who has tried it. It's  
not as if you'll ever GET 50MB, you may get 10% of that, but that will  
be 5MB.. compared to 10% of your nominal 6MB (which is what you're  
probably getting) it's a very big boost especially if you're dealing  
with large chunks of code or exchanging video, or trying to work with  
large screen video conferencing

Of course, a better question is, who needs 50MB from Virgin?

From sc at davidviner.com  Tue Dec 16 13:30:38 2008
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:30:38 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] 'Blazingly Fast Broadband'
In-Reply-To: <71AF250A-279B-4651-B411-373E0A0B60C5@gmail.com>
References: <71AF250A-279B-4651-B411-373E0A0B60C5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4947AD7E.90501@davidviner.com>

Hi all

stefan youngs wrote:
> Who needs 50MB? The answer to this is, anyone who has tried it. It's 
> not as if you'll ever GET 50MB, you may get 10% of that, but that will 
> be 5MB.. compared to 10% of your nominal 6MB (which is what you're 
> probably getting) it's a very big boost especially if you're dealing 
> with large chunks of code or exchanging video, or trying to work with 
> large screen video conferencing
>
> Of course, a better question is, who needs 50MB from Virgin?

I'm also a Virgin Media customer (sufferer?). The only reason I got 
their service as opposed to anyone else is that they were the first down 
my road in 2003 with broadband. I've had a few run-ins with their 
technical support but things have usually been resolved quite quickly 
(my neighbour also uses them so, when problems arise, we compare notes 
to see if we are both affected). I'm currently using their 10MB cable 
service and regularly check the speed via www.speedtest.net. During the 
day I usually get close to or even above the specified 10M (just tried 
it and got 10038kb/s) though it often drops down in the evening (though 
I have achieved 9836kb/s around 10:20pm). (Question: does 10M = 1000k or 
1024k?) According to the bandwidth monitor software I use I've 
occasionally even hit 13000kb/s when downloading simultaneously from 
different sites!

I'm not sure if more reputable companies such as Zen can achieve those 
using the telephone system.

Currently, the two main concerns I have about Virgin is traffic shaping 
and whether or not they'll join in with this Phorm rubbish that BT are 
trialling at the moment. As a freelance web developer I'm often needing 
to upload or download large chunks of code or content though I don't 
think the traffic shaping has clobbered me as yet.

Regarding the 50MB service - I don't think I can justify that sort of 
cost at the moment even supposing it becomes available in Norwich. 
However, they tend to upgrade the speed every so often anyway - mine 
started as 512K and went up in stages - 600K, 2M, 4M and, this year, 10M 
for no price increase. No doubt most of us will feel that 50MB is way 
too slow in a few years time!

David
www.davidviner.com



From phil.charnley at ntlworld.com  Tue Dec 16 14:54:54 2008
From: phil.charnley at ntlworld.com (Phil Charnley)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:54:54 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Toast
Message-ID: <A5DA2C74-3D59-4008-94C0-72F96E00CF43@ntlworld.com>

I read with interest the difficulties being experienced by others with  
burning DVDs. I have a problem too in that Toast will not open and I  
get the alert, "The application Toast Titanium quit unexpectedly"  
whenever I try to open it. This has been going on for weeks and I have  
even "app zapped" it and re-installed but it makes no difference.

I have several gigs worth of footage waiting to be toast-ed and it is  
clogging up my HD.

I had been using toast for about a year prior to this with no  
difficulty. I did have to have a new motherboard fitted after the caps  
blew on the old one. Would this have made a difference? Apart from  
that I cannot think of any significant change that might have caused  
the problem.

I'm running 10.5.6 on a power PC G5.

Thanks peeps

Phil


  


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Dec 16 14:57:01 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:57:01 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] 'Blazingly Fast Broadband'
Message-ID: <Rt3CSZ0T0Rgg.dBk0TWVh@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Stefan.

I don't get 10% of my 6MB. I get 6MB out of a supposed 8MB connection, which considering my more rural location is pretty good.

Download speeds are phenomenal. When I say who needs it, I mean that. Who needs it rather than just wants it.

I would love 50MB but how often would you use it and of course you can have as fast a connection as you like but its no good if others dont.

I can email, browse, download, upload, stream even use Skype while every other computer is busy online and no body suffers problems.

I would consider my network above what the average user would have and my cheap internet serves it fine.

Simon

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-original message-
Subject: Re: [NMUG] 'Blazingly Fast Broadband'
From: stefan youngs <stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com>
Date: 16/12/2008 12:59


 >Subject: Re: [NMUG] 'Blazingly Fast Broadband'
To: nmug at durrant.co.uk

 >Hi
 >Very interesting, but come on, who needs 50MB broadband speed. The  
best I get from my Tiscali service is 6MB, and it still means 4    
computers can browse, stream >and download without any problems or   
delays.
 >Simon

It's quite surprising really, here we have someone who will spend  
hours replacing some fiddly bit in an old computer to get 1% more  
performance asking who needs 50MB speed on broadband.... what a  
conundrum you are Simon

I suppose you have a man with a red flag walking in front of your 5  
mph car.. after all, who needs 30 mph?

Who needs 50MB? The answer to this is, anyone who has tried it. It's  
not as if you'll ever GET 50MB, you may get 10% of that, but that will  
be 5MB.. compared to 10% of your nominal 6MB (which is what you're  
probably getting) it's a very big boost especially if you're dealing  
with large chunks of code or exchanging video, or trying to work with  
large screen video conferencing

Of course, a better question is, who needs 50MB from Virgin?
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From sc at davidviner.com  Tue Dec 16 15:03:55 2008
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:03:55 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Toast
In-Reply-To: <A5DA2C74-3D59-4008-94C0-72F96E00CF43@ntlworld.com>
References: <A5DA2C74-3D59-4008-94C0-72F96E00CF43@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <4947C35B.9020404@davidviner.com>

It might be worth downloading the trial version of Dragon Burn to see if 
that also has problems. If it does then it could indicate a hardware 
problem, if it's ok then it could mean that Toast is, um, toast...

http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Utilities/Dragon-Burn.shtml

David



Phil Charnley wrote:
> I read with interest the difficulties being experienced by others with 
> burning DVDs. I have a problem too in that Toast will not open and I 
> get the alert, "The application Toast Titanium quit unexpectedly" 
> whenever I try to open it. This has been going on for weeks and I have 
> even "app zapped" it and re-installed but it makes no difference.
>
> I have several gigs worth of footage waiting to be toast-ed and it is 
> clogging up my HD.
>
> I had been using toast for about a year prior to this with no 
> difficulty. I did have to have a new motherboard fitted after the caps 
> blew on the old one. Would this have made a difference? Apart from 
> that I cannot think of any significant change that might have caused 
> the problem.
>
> I'm running 10.5.6 on a power PC G5.
>
> Thanks peeps
>
> Phil
>
>
>  
> _______________________________________________
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From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Tue Dec 16 17:35:29 2008
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:35:29 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] TrackPad
In-Reply-To: <ABCF27C9-0EF7-48E0-950C-DC47DA30202C@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <ABCF27C9-0EF7-48E0-950C-DC47DA30202C@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <535FA33A-8545-405C-B958-F918C85209A5@zen.co.uk>

Looks like its morphed into a separate pref pane. I imagine that the  
track pad will acquire more touch capabilities....
Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk



On 16 Dec 2008, at 10:54, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> After installing the 10.5.6 update I noticed in System Preferences  
> there is a new pane called TrackPad. I am sure this wasn't there  
> under 10.5.5.
>
> The Keyboard & Mouse pane is still there though, although there are  
> no mouse options in it, just keyboard.
>
> Simon
>
> --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
> --- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5
>
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Dec 16 20:59:54 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 20:59:54 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Vista/Leopard File Sharing
Message-ID: <A387DF4D-F4DE-4F3C-BFBE-0AAE7886EF22@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

Has anyone had experience with File Sharing between Vista and Leopard.

In Leopard I have switched on AFP and SMB file sharing. In Vista I  
have switched on file sharing in home networks.

 From Vista I can see my Mac and my Public Folder & Drop Box and can  
copy from the Public Folder to the Vista desktop, however I cannot get  
into the drop box.

 From Leopard I cannot see the PC at all.

Simon

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--- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Tue Dec 16 23:00:48 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:00:48 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] One copy Default Folder X for sale
Message-ID: <FD812AE3-7ADC-4B33-A3FC-2E7446D2E0FF@durrant.co.uk>

I've just bought the MacUpdate Promo Bundle* of applications, but it  
includes Default Folder X which I already have.

Default Folder X** is a great enhancement to the standard open/save  
system dialogs. Luckily, the people behind Default Folder X will let  
me transfer the Mac Update Promo copy to someone else. So - If anyone  
would like a copy of Default Folder X, I'll pass it on for just ?8 -  
preferably by paypal. That's under 1/3 the usual retail price of ?25.95.

Please email off-list if you'd like to buy.

Paul



*  http://www.mupromo.com/winter.php
** http://www.defaultfolder.com/DefaultFolderX/index.html

From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Dec 16 23:58:30 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:58:30 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Update Update... Sound
Message-ID: <KsWkGwBFfcF9.RWTwS2gc@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

Did someone mention sound problems on portable Macs under 10.5.6?

The sound on my PowerBook G4 just stopped working after working for hours.

Simon

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From dan_tombs at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 17 00:32:01 2008
From: dan_tombs at hotmail.com (Dan Tombs)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:32:01 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Update Update... Sound
In-Reply-To: <KsWkGwBFfcF9.RWTwS2gc@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <KsWkGwBFfcF9.RWTwS2gc@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BLU122-W13946B07EDD741CDC6A1659CF20@phx.gbl>


Hi Simon,

I mentioned earlier about hardware issues on macbooks, the dual optical/analogue mini jack sockets

Don't run leopard so can't comment if it is a 10.5.6 issue, just gave my advice on my experience with several of the MacBooks Pro and non Pro

Hope you solve it! a good old FSCK might do the trick?

Best

Dan 

> From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:58:30 +0000
> Subject: [NMUG] Update Update... Sound
> 
> Hi.
> 
> Did someone mention sound problems on portable Macs under 10.5.6?
> 
> The sound on my PowerBook G4 just stopped working after working for hours.
> 
> Simon
> 
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Dec 17 10:20:28 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 10:20:28 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] 10.5.6 Summary
Message-ID: <5A800CE2-60BA-4191-A744-7386E2AD4601@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

It has been an interesting update to 10.5.6. I have never had some  
many problems updating OSX. I saw problems they are more niggles than  
anything that stops productivity.

1. After installing, when it rebooted I was faced with a no-entry sign  
on the grey screen. I switched the Mac off and on again and it booted  
fine.

2. There is a new preference pane in System Preferences for TrackPad.  
I have asked on other groups and this is a strange one. Some MacBook  
users have had this in 10.5.5 and below, some haven't. Some Aluminum  
G4 PowerBook users have had this in 10.5.5 and below and some haven't.  
I am 99% sure it wasn't there before.

All keyboard and mouse settings were controlled in the Keyboard &  
Mouse preference pane, and now although there is still a Keyboard &  
Mouse pane, there are no mouse tabs, these are contained in a separate  
pane called TrackPad, which has exactly the same options as before  
just in a separate pane.

3. I installed the update about 10 in the morning yesterday and  
everything was fine until about 10 last night when sound suddenly  
dropped. I was extracted the audio from some MP4 files into AIFF files  
and after extraction couldn't hear anything. I thought the conversion  
hadn't worked but noticed the the sound buttons on the keyboard didn't  
make any noise either. It was too late to investigate, but when I  
turned it on this morning everything was back to normal and the AIFF  
files and keyboard sounds were fine.

This is the oddest update I have ever had. And before anyone asks no  
this is not my usual trying to get something on an unsupported machine  
(or squeezing 1% extra performance Stefan). It is a bonefide Leopard  
install on a supported G4.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
--- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Dec 17 12:38:44 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:38:44 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] eMac Casing... Sale
Message-ID: <46386AED-4D5A-4C38-BDB2-71B9F437ECEC@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

Three things.

1. Does anyone have a front fascia for an eMac? Not sure whether the  
casing is any different for the different models but mine is a 1.25Ghz  
model, it is only the front housing I need, everything else is fine.

2. Has anyone replaced one? As far as I can see there are only six  
screws holding the front fascia to the body of the eMac and then there  
is the speakers which looked screwed to the front fascia.

Mine has been smashed while in the hands of ParcelForce. It looks like  
the little plastic pegs on the front housing that the screws go into,  
holding the front housing to the metal frame has split, thus not  
holding the top left hand corner together. Also there is a small chunk  
taken out of the bottom of one of the corners and the plastic has  
completely split.

3. If I could get these fixed then I would have a lovely eMac again.  
Would anyone be interested in the eMac in its current condition. It is  
a 1.25Ghz, 1GB RAM (2x512MB), 80GB HD, DVDRW, Airport Extreme, USB 2.  
It has a white Apple pro keyboard but no mouse (this also got smashed  
in the post).

Simon

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--- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5



From sc at davidviner.com  Wed Dec 17 13:03:26 2008
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 13:03:26 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] 10.5.6 Summary
In-Reply-To: <5A800CE2-60BA-4191-A744-7386E2AD4601@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <5A800CE2-60BA-4191-A744-7386E2AD4601@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4948F89E.1000203@davidviner.com>

Simon

You weren't the only one having problems:
    http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/leopard/topic4834.html
    http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20081216011538241
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/16/mac_os_10_5_6_problems/

David

> Hi
>
> It has been an interesting update to 10.5.6. I have never had some 
> many problems updating OSX. I saw problems they are more niggles than 
> anything that stops productivity.
>
> 1. After installing, when it rebooted I was faced with a no-entry sign 
> on the grey screen. I switched the Mac off and on again and it booted 
> fine.
>
> 2. There is a new preference pane in System Preferences for TrackPad. 
> I have asked on other groups and this is a strange one. Some MacBook 
> users have had this in 10.5.5 and below, some haven't. Some Aluminum 
> G4 PowerBook users have had this in 10.5.5 and below and some haven't. 
> I am 99% sure it wasn't there before.
>
> All keyboard and mouse settings were controlled in the Keyboard & 
> Mouse preference pane, and now although there is still a Keyboard & 
> Mouse pane, there are no mouse tabs, these are contained in a separate 
> pane called TrackPad, which has exactly the same options as before 
> just in a separate pane.
>
> 3. I installed the update about 10 in the morning yesterday and 
> everything was fine until about 10 last night when sound suddenly 
> dropped. I was extracted the audio from some MP4 files into AIFF files 
> and after extraction couldn't hear anything. I thought the conversion 
> hadn't worked but noticed the the sound buttons on the keyboard didn't 
> make any noise either. It was too late to investigate, but when I 
> turned it on this morning everything was back to normal and the AIFF 
> files and keyboard sounds were fine.
>
> This is the oddest update I have ever had. And before anyone asks no 
> this is not my usual trying to get something on an unsupported machine 
> (or squeezing 1% extra performance Stefan). It is a bonefide Leopard 
> install on a supported G4.
>
> Simon
>
> --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
> --- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5
>
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Dec 17 14:35:30 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:35:30 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Online Picture Hosts
Message-ID: <F084EDF4-7AFB-41A5-9A7A-E46561DF43E4@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

Which is the best online picture gallery service? I need something  
that will be available to the public, something that is free too.

I have tried Photobucket and Flickr, but not for a while.

Any ideas?

Simon

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--- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5



From munkt0n at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 14:43:51 2008
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:43:51 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Online Picture Hosts
In-Reply-To: <F084EDF4-7AFB-41A5-9A7A-E46561DF43E4@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <F084EDF4-7AFB-41A5-9A7A-E46561DF43E4@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0812170643j18c2dff2g40bf8be877694f6@mail.gmail.com>

flickr is probably your best bet, the free accounts are quite limited,
but shouldn't be a problem unless you intend to have tens of thousands
of visits.
I'm fairly sure picassa offer a free gallery service too.

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 2:35 PM, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Which is the best online picture gallery service? I need something that will
> be available to the public, something that is free too.
>
> I have tried Photobucket and Flickr, but not for a while.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Simon
>
> --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
> --- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5
>
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From rob at atvetsystems.com  Wed Dec 17 15:00:52 2008
From: rob at atvetsystems.com (Robert Tillyard)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:00:52 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Online Picture Hosts
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0812170643j18c2dff2g40bf8be877694f6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F084EDF4-7AFB-41A5-9A7A-E46561DF43E4@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0812170643j18c2dff2g40bf8be877694f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <808FEA0C-9ED6-48EC-94C5-80B1883A3367@atvetsystems.com>

I would second that. I use a (pro) flickr account and have tried zoomr  
but flickr seems to do pretty much everything I want including geo- 
tagging. I wish it was easier to geo-tag photos in iPhoto.

Regards, Rob.

On 17 Dec 2008, at 14:43, Scott Matthews wrote:

> flickr is probably your best bet, the free accounts are quite limited,
> but shouldn't be a problem unless you intend to have tens of thousands
> of visits.
> I'm fairly sure picassa offer a free gallery service too.



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Dec 17 15:07:42 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:07:42 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Online Picture Hosts
In-Reply-To: <808FEA0C-9ED6-48EC-94C5-80B1883A3367@atvetsystems.com>
References: <F084EDF4-7AFB-41A5-9A7A-E46561DF43E4@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0812170643j18c2dff2g40bf8be877694f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<808FEA0C-9ED6-48EC-94C5-80B1883A3367@atvetsystems.com>
Message-ID: <2068E5FD-01B6-48A2-AC6F-BD898312A1F8@simonroyal.co.uk>

Robert

I'm using Flickr right now but I can't seem to get my pictures to show  
up to non-Flickr members.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/simonroyal/

Simon

On 17 Dec 2008, at 15:00, Robert Tillyard wrote:

> I would second that. I use a (pro) flickr account and have tried  
> zoomr but flickr seems to do pretty much everything I want including  
> geo-tagging. I wish it was easier to geo-tag photos in iPhoto.
>
> Regards, Rob.
>
> On 17 Dec 2008, at 14:43, Scott Matthews wrote:
>
>> flickr is probably your best bet, the free accounts are quite  
>> limited,
>> but shouldn't be a problem unless you intend to have tens of  
>> thousands
>> of visits.
>> I'm fairly sure picassa offer a free gallery service too.
>
>

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--- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5



From munkt0n at gmail.com  Wed Dec 17 15:11:35 2008
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:11:35 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Online Picture Hosts
In-Reply-To: <2068E5FD-01B6-48A2-AC6F-BD898312A1F8@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <F084EDF4-7AFB-41A5-9A7A-E46561DF43E4@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0812170643j18c2dff2g40bf8be877694f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<808FEA0C-9ED6-48EC-94C5-80B1883A3367@atvetsystems.com>
	<2068E5FD-01B6-48A2-AC6F-BD898312A1F8@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0812170711p5294a57dp78647c158af7de11@mail.gmail.com>

simon, check the settings on this page -
http://www.flickr.com/account?tab=privacy

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk> wrote:
> Robert
>
> I'm using Flickr right now but I can't seem to get my pictures to show up to
> non-Flickr members.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/simonroyal/
>
> Simon
>
> On 17 Dec 2008, at 15:00, Robert Tillyard wrote:
>
>> I would second that. I use a (pro) flickr account and have tried zoomr but
>> flickr seems to do pretty much everything I want including geo-tagging. I
>> wish it was easier to geo-tag photos in iPhoto.
>>
>> Regards, Rob.
>>
>> On 17 Dec 2008, at 14:43, Scott Matthews wrote:
>>
>>> flickr is probably your best bet, the free accounts are quite limited,
>>> but shouldn't be a problem unless you intend to have tens of thousands
>>> of visits.
>>> I'm fairly sure picassa offer a free gallery service too.
>>
>>
>
> --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
> --- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5
>
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Dec 17 15:33:10 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 15:33:10 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Online Picture Hosts
In-Reply-To: <ac224bde0812170711p5294a57dp78647c158af7de11@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F084EDF4-7AFB-41A5-9A7A-E46561DF43E4@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0812170643j18c2dff2g40bf8be877694f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<808FEA0C-9ED6-48EC-94C5-80B1883A3367@atvetsystems.com>
	<2068E5FD-01B6-48A2-AC6F-BD898312A1F8@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<ac224bde0812170711p5294a57dp78647c158af7de11@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BFED71BE-6542-4B69-B350-E7671984F282@simonroyal.co.uk>

Scott

 From what I can see everything is set for public, but I still get the  
'You must be signed in to see this content from Simon Royal.
' message

Simon

On 17 Dec 2008, at 15:11, Scott Matthews wrote:

> simon, check the settings on this page -
> http://www.flickr.com/account?tab=privacy
>
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>  
> wrote:
>> Robert
>>
>> I'm using Flickr right now but I can't seem to get my pictures to  
>> show up to
>> non-Flickr members.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/simonroyal/
>>
>> Simon
>>
>> On 17 Dec 2008, at 15:00, Robert Tillyard wrote:
>>
>>> I would second that. I use a (pro) flickr account and have tried  
>>> zoomr but
>>> flickr seems to do pretty much everything I want including geo- 
>>> tagging. I
>>> wish it was easier to geo-tag photos in iPhoto.
>>>
>>> Regards, Rob.
>>>
>>> On 17 Dec 2008, at 14:43, Scott Matthews wrote:
>>>
>>>> flickr is probably your best bet, the free accounts are quite  
>>>> limited,
>>>> but shouldn't be a problem unless you intend to have tens of  
>>>> thousands
>>>> of visits.
>>>> I'm fairly sure picassa offer a free gallery service too.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
>> --- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5
>>
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>
>
>
> -- 
> :wq
>

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--- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5



From ernienmug at f2s.com  Wed Dec 17 16:14:17 2008
From: ernienmug at f2s.com (Ernie Ives)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:14:17 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Computer take-over?
Message-ID: <30D47CA2-18F7-482C-AB1C-5D4AAA39AEE3@f2s.com>


Ernie Ives Marquetarian and microscopist

Hi

I am concerned that my iMac 24 running 10.5.5 has been taken over by  
an outside computer. Each day I get spam emails purporting to come  
from me. At first it was one or two a day, now it is a 100 or more.  
I've just cleared 50 from my junk box and that is only since early  
this morning. They use my freeserve address with small variations of  
the part before the @ .

Please, how can I find out what is going on and how can I stop it?

Best wishes
Ernie







From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed Dec 17 16:22:20 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:22:20 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Computer take-over?
In-Reply-To: <30D47CA2-18F7-482C-AB1C-5D4AAA39AEE3@f2s.com>
References: <30D47CA2-18F7-482C-AB1C-5D4AAA39AEE3@f2s.com>
Message-ID: <BD623E11-19CF-41F4-BF82-D5C4D54B695B@durrant.co.uk>

These are almost certainly not coming from your computer. Instead,  
someone has sent out spam and put your email address in the From:  
field, and all the bounces are coming to your mail box.

You can check where the messages are originating by looking at the  
full headers and tracing back the "Received:" headers. They are  
probably coming from lost of different mail servers that the original  
spam was sent to.

This has happened to me a few times over the years. There's nothing  
you can do about this except just delete the emails.

Paul

On 17 Dec 2008, at 16:14, Ernie Ives wrote:
> I am concerned that my iMac 24 running 10.5.5 has been taken over by  
> an outside computer. Each day I get spam emails purporting to come  
> from me. At first it was one or two a day, now it is a 100 or more.  
> I've just cleared 50 from my junk box and that is only since early  
> this morning. They use my freeserve address with small variations of  
> the part before the @ .
>
> Please, how can I find out what is going on and how can I stop it?



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Dec 17 21:13:45 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:13:45 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Me And My Macs
Message-ID: <F605B7AB-12A4-4D39-8A15-ADCA620CF4C7@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

Thanks to everyone who helped with my online photo gallery today. In  
the end I deleted my gallery and signed up for a new one and it solved  
my problems.

So I now have a gallery called 'Me And My Macs' where you can check  
out pictures of me and pictures of my Macs.

http://flickr.com/photos/meandmymacs/

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
--- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Thu Dec 18 12:01:10 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:01:10 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] GetDropBox
Message-ID: <5D997B7B-AEDA-4BB1-8FFE-7F6E91D2F38A@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

Been looking for an online backup solution, me being me free would be  
nice.

I've been using Mozy but it is just a bit awkward. I found GetDropBox  
and am giving it a go now.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
--- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5



From homeopathy.expert at googlemail.com  Thu Dec 18 14:49:36 2008
From: homeopathy.expert at googlemail.com (Simon King)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:49:36 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] CDs wont burn
Message-ID: <734d07ef0812180649p11b5ecf6j675c7b43eadd475e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all, can't gte my G5 PPC 2.3 to burn Cds properly

Everything SEEMS to go smoothly but the Cds only have one track on no matter
how many I tell it to burn

Is my CD dead or as good as?

thanks

Simon King

227 St Leonards Rd
Norwich
Norfolk
NR1 4JN
UK
01603 466092
07954 581 774


From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Thu Dec 18 15:02:28 2008
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:02:28 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] CDs wont burn
In-Reply-To: <734d07ef0812180649p11b5ecf6j675c7b43eadd475e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <734d07ef0812180649p11b5ecf6j675c7b43eadd475e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D864F332-41F7-4F96-BFE1-9DC1A07C5D91@virgin.net>


On Dec 18, 2008, at 14:49, Simon King wrote:

> Hi all, can't gte my G5 PPC 2.3 to burn Cds properly
>
> Everything SEEMS to go smoothly but the Cds only have one track on  
> no matter
> how many I tell it to burn
>
> Is my CD dead or as good as?


What program are you using to burn CDs? Is this a new problem or  
something that has been developing? have you installed anything new  
recently or done an update?

Paul C



From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Thu Dec 18 20:24:59 2008
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:24:59 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] DSL Modem/Router Loan?
Message-ID: <9800215B-8276-4FA2-B051-5F9D5CB49654@gmail.com>

Can anyone loan me a DSL Modem/rRouter for a month? With or without  
wireless is fine.

Thanks in advance


From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Thu Dec 18 20:30:19 2008
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:30:19 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Using iCal to Call Script
Message-ID: <C3AC0288-8DB6-4D52-9543-90207B2D1DB4@gmail.com>

Has anyone successfully configured iCal to call an Applescript on a  
daily basis? I've written a script to turn an application On and Off  
on a schedule. which I want to run automatically every day.

I can get mine to call my script at a scheduled time but it only works  
for the first day. The literature on iCal is pathetically bare but so  
far as I can see I have got the Events dialog configured properly, but  
still, it doesn't work reliably.


From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Thu Dec 18 20:44:44 2008
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:44:44 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] CDs wont burn
In-Reply-To: <734d07ef0812180914w4158c2d2rccc117cca0fb5682@mail.gmail.com>
References: <734d07ef0812180649p11b5ecf6j675c7b43eadd475e@mail.gmail.com>
	<D864F332-41F7-4F96-BFE1-9DC1A07C5D91@virgin.net>
	<734d07ef0812180914w4158c2d2rccc117cca0fb5682@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <586E0BB4-78A7-4533-B07D-6BDE33D68062@virgin.net>


On Dec 18, 2008, at 17:14, Simon King wrote:

> Thinks....installed Ps CS4 and LR 2.2.. can't think of anything  
> else, just using the finder to burn , or iTunes
> It was music on both occasions, I tried from iTunes 3 times and got  
> the same result so tried just dragging files to the inserted CD but  
> got the same results again.
> Tried burning at minimum speed (8x)

OK, so this one track that you get, is it one of the music tracks and  
are you getting a music CD at the end just not all the tracks? Have  
you checked the burning preferences? Is it set for music CDs?

Paul C



From munkt0n at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 20:54:02 2008
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:54:02 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Using iCal to Call Script
In-Reply-To: <C3AC0288-8DB6-4D52-9543-90207B2D1DB4@gmail.com>
References: <C3AC0288-8DB6-4D52-9543-90207B2D1DB4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0812181254i7ca617evb742991969c6ee04@mail.gmail.com>

no idea about iCal, but you could use cron or launchd to schedule it.
for cron you'd use something like this, which would run your script
every day at 7am

0       7       *       *       *    osascript /path/to/your/applesscript

launchd does pretty much the same thing, but I've never used it.


On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 8:30 PM, stefan youngs
<stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com> wrote:
> Has anyone successfully configured iCal to call an Applescript on a daily
> basis? I've written a script to turn an application On and Off on a
> schedule. which I want to run automatically every day.
>
> I can get mine to call my script at a scheduled time but it only works for
> the first day. The literature on iCal is pathetically bare but so far as I
> can see I have got the Events dialog configured properly, but still, it
> doesn't work reliably.
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



-- 
:wq


From drivers52 at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 19 10:30:46 2008
From: drivers52 at hotmail.com (richard ivers)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:30:46 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Update 10.5.6
Message-ID: <COL109-W489C858DC11C07EC74275AA5F00@phx.gbl>


Tried to install update 10.5.6 but got the following message "The installer encountered an unknown error that failed to install. Contact the software manufacturer for assistance"Any ideas folksRegardsRichard Ivers
_________________________________________________________________
Imagine a life without walls.? See the possibilities. 
http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/122465943/direct/01/

From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Dec 19 11:04:03 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:04:03 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Silverlight
Message-ID: <AF23C177-51DC-4F10-991A-AF02ADFFF122@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

Has anyone managed to get Silverlight working, Microsofts new pile of  
junk.

I had it working on my Intel iMac under Safari, but nothing else. I  
have just tried to get it working on my PowerBook G4, but can't get  
anything.

I install the plug-in but it still says I need to install Silverlight  
when I go to a page which uses it.

I did find out that Silverlight 2.0 is Intel only, PowerPC users are  
stuck with Silverlight 1.0.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
--- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Fri Dec 19 12:09:11 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 12:09:11 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] 20% off SilverFast scanner software
Message-ID: <822CF401-E4F8-423F-9D3F-A798958060FF@durrant.co.uk>

SilverFast do software for scanners and digital cameras. Their entry- 
level product, SilverFast SE, works with a large range of scanners,  
some of which don't have native drivers anymore (e.g. my Canon  
Canoscan 9900F only has Mac OS X PPC software, not Mac OS X Intel).

I'm giving the software a go, and if it works and I like it I'll buy it.

SilverFast are currently offering NMUG members a 20% discount on their  
range of software. Here's the bumpf:

LaserSoft Imaging is offering a special time limited 20 % discount on  
any SilverFast product for the members of NMUG.
http://www.silverfast.com

SilverFast is a renowned and awarded software for scanning and image  
processing. Although SilverFast was developed for professionals to  
process images, it's very easy to handle the software, even for  
beginners. Tutorial QuickTime movies in each SilverFast dialogue help  
users to quickly master all controls. Predictable color from the  
SilverFast preview gives imaging and color reproduction a new  
dimension, ensuring the correct workflow to the final scan with the  
ScanPilot. SilverFast comes as a standalone application and also as an  
Adobe Photoshop plugin.
Furthermore the SilverFast product range provides software for the use  
with digital cameras, printers or for HDR image processing.

SilverFast 6.6 got awarded as the 'best color management software  
2008' by the EDP and is 100% Mac Leopard compatible for the  
established scanners.

For additional information you may like to read the latest three  
SilverFast newsletters:
http://www.silverfast.com/show/newsletter200806-nikon/en.html
http://www.silverfast.com/show/newsletter200810/en.html
http://www.silverfast.com/show/newsletter200812-canon/en.html

For achieving the 20 % discount you just have to enter the word  
'mugcenter' in the field 'Coupon code' during the purchase process at  
SilverFasts' online shop (http://www.silverfast.com/show/store/en.html).


From yahooist at anyisle.com  Fri Dec 19 15:28:11 2008
From: yahooist at anyisle.com (Neil S.)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:28:11 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] BBCBBC iPlayer now available on Mac
Message-ID: <D7BB4C57-AFBB-4781-A196-3E8F3FF28F5D@anyisle.com>

A standalone player is released.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7787335.stm

Regards...
Neil

Sent from my iPhone


From sc at davidviner.com  Fri Dec 19 15:45:30 2008
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:45:30 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Update 10.5.6
In-Reply-To: <COL109-W489C858DC11C07EC74275AA5F00@phx.gbl>
References: <COL109-W489C858DC11C07EC74275AA5F00@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <494BC19A.6070505@davidviner.com>

It might have something to do with this:
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/110/1050110/apple-admits-10-5-6-upgrade-problems
http://support.apple.com/kb/TS2383

David


richard ivers wrote:
> Tried to install update 10.5.6 but got the following message "The installer encountered an unknown error that failed to install. Contact the software manufacturer for assistance"Any ideas folksRegardsRichard Ivers
> _________________________________________________________________
> Imagine a life without walls.  See the possibilities. 
> http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/122465943/direct/01/_______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>   


From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Fri Dec 19 16:17:43 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:17:43 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] iPlayer Blues
Message-ID: <2907F342-C08F-4651-8220-F557974D6223@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I am having a bad time with the BBC iPlayer this afternoon.

Earlier today I watched last nights EastEnders no problem. However, I  
was just trying to watch Lead Balloon and it stopped every twenty  
seconds (with the spinny thing). I thought it was the program but I  
tried Never Mind The Buzzcocks and it did the same.

I have tried Firefox and Cruz, no difference. I tried restarting my  
Mac, no difference. I have just tried it on my wifes Vista laptop and  
it is just as bad.

Is this a network thing?

Also, the BBC just released the iPlayer Downloader yesterday but as of  
yet I cannot fathom out how to get content downloaded. Am I being  
stupid.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
--- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Fri Dec 19 16:57:15 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:57:15 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] iPlayer Blues
In-Reply-To: <2907F342-C08F-4651-8220-F557974D6223@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <2907F342-C08F-4651-8220-F557974D6223@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <B37BA546-F1EE-494B-BA44-AD94699981EE@durrant.co.uk>

The stopping/starting sounds like network problems.

I'm just trying out the iPlayer Desktop for Mac myself. Requires and  
Intel Mac. It also needs Adobe AIR.

Download AIR from
http://get.adobe.com/air/

Download iPlayer Desktop from
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/install/bbc_iplayer_desktop

I'm currently waiting for the iPlayer Desktop AIR application to  
download...

Paul


On 19 Dec 2008, at 16:17, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> I am having a bad time with the BBC iPlayer this afternoon.
>
> Earlier today I watched last nights EastEnders no problem. However,  
> I was just trying to watch Lead Balloon and it stopped every twenty  
> seconds (with the spinny thing). I thought it was the program but I  
> tried Never Mind The Buzzcocks and it did the same.
>
> I have tried Firefox and Cruz, no difference. I tried restarting my  
> Mac, no difference. I have just tried it on my wifes Vista laptop  
> and it is just as bad.
>
> Is this a network thing?
>
> Also, the BBC just released the iPlayer Downloader yesterday but as  
> of yet I cannot fathom out how to get content downloaded. Am I being  
> stupid.



From david.tillyer at googlemail.com  Fri Dec 19 17:03:08 2008
From: david.tillyer at googlemail.com (David Tillyer)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:03:08 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Factory Reset
Message-ID: <f8880ecc0812190903i5b7c270u4f385c1e6b1452e0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I am passing on my Trusty MBPro onto my younger brother for Xmas and I need
to wipe it so it is 'factory fresh'. What is the easiest way to do this?

Cheers and Merry Xmas!

-- 
David Tillyer Photography

http://www.davidthephotographer.co.uk

http://davidthephotographer.blogspot.com/


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Fri Dec 19 17:04:37 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:04:37 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] iPlayer Blues
In-Reply-To: <B37BA546-F1EE-494B-BA44-AD94699981EE@durrant.co.uk>
References: <2907F342-C08F-4651-8220-F557974D6223@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<B37BA546-F1EE-494B-BA44-AD94699981EE@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <A13129BF-C6D7-4FB8-B69A-CE4C6DBF91EA@durrant.co.uk>

Ah - it had downloaded, but not indicated that the download had  
finished. Double-clicking the downloaded file installed "BBC iPlayer  
Desktop" in my Applications folder.

And while this new application is running, the normal iPlayer web  
browser windows at www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer now shows an extra button  
when a programme has been selected "Download to Computer". I'm just  
trying out a download of Top Gear. It seems to be working - but it's  
not quick!

Paul

On 19 Dec 2008, at 16:57, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
> I'm currently waiting for the iPlayer Desktop AIR application to  
> download...



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Fri Dec 19 17:07:03 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:07:03 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] iPlayer Blues
In-Reply-To: <472E0380-141A-4CBA-A586-371B02EF41BA@mac.com>
References: <2907F342-C08F-4651-8220-F557974D6223@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<B37BA546-F1EE-494B-BA44-AD94699981EE@durrant.co.uk>
	<472E0380-141A-4CBA-A586-371B02EF41BA@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B26771DD-9497-469B-BA64-85890D3425D2@durrant.co.uk>

Presumably iPlayer Grabber saves the programme as it streams, which  
would take 60 minutes for a 60 minutes long programme. iPlayer Desktop  
should cut that to about 15 minutes or perhaps less, if you have a  
very fast connection (Hmm.... 50MB from Virgin suddenly sounds  
attractive).

Also, once downloaded, playback should be very smooth, as there'll be  
no chance of network glitches.

Paul

On 19 Dec 2008, at 16:59, David King wrote:

> Seems a lot simpler to use iPlayer Grabber which works very well and  
> downloads straight from the BBC site.
>
> David
> On 19 Dec 2008, at 16:57, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
>> The stopping/starting sounds like network problems.
>>
>> I'm just trying out the iPlayer Desktop for Mac myself. Requires  
>> and Intel Mac. It also needs Adobe AIR.
>>
>> Download AIR from
>> http://get.adobe.com/air/
>>
>> Download iPlayer Desktop from
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/install/bbc_iplayer_desktop
>>
>> I'm currently waiting for the iPlayer Desktop AIR application to  
>> download...
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> On 19 Dec 2008, at 16:17, Simon Royal wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I am having a bad time with the BBC iPlayer this afternoon.
>>>
>>> Earlier today I watched last nights EastEnders no problem.  
>>> However, I was just trying to watch Lead Balloon and it stopped  
>>> every twenty seconds (with the spinny thing). I thought it was the  
>>> program but I tried Never Mind The Buzzcocks and it did the same.
>>>
>>> I have tried Firefox and Cruz, no difference. I tried restarting  
>>> my Mac, no difference. I have just tried it on my wifes Vista  
>>> laptop and it is just as bad.
>>>
>>> Is this a network thing?
>>>
>>> Also, the BBC just released the iPlayer Downloader yesterday but  
>>> as of yet I cannot fathom out how to get content downloaded. Am I  
>>> being stupid.
>>


From band1 at mac.com  Fri Dec 19 17:22:46 2008
From: band1 at mac.com (David King)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:22:46 +0000
Subject: Fwd: [NMUG] iPlayer Blues
References: <472E0380-141A-4CBA-A586-371B02EF41BA@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F8630DF1-BF45-4C90-97EF-F1DB292EBB04@mac.com>

> Seems a lot simpler to use iPlayer Grabber which works very well and  
> downloads straight from the BBC site.
>
> David



> On 19 Dec 2008, at 16:57, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
>> The stopping/starting sounds like network problems.
>>
>> I'm just trying out the iPlayer Desktop for Mac myself. Requires  
>> and Intel Mac. It also needs Adobe AIR.
>>
>> Download AIR from
>> http://get.adobe.com/air/
>>
>> Download iPlayer Desktop from
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/install/bbc_iplayer_desktop
>>
>> I'm currently waiting for the iPlayer Desktop AIR application to  
>> download...
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> On 19 Dec 2008, at 16:17, Simon Royal wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I am having a bad time with the BBC iPlayer this afternoon.
>>>
>>> Earlier today I watched last nights EastEnders no problem.  
>>> However, I was just trying to watch Lead Balloon and it stopped  
>>> every twenty seconds (with the spinny thing). I thought it was the  
>>> program but I tried Never Mind The Buzzcocks and it did the same.
>>>
>>> I have tried Firefox and Cruz, no difference. I tried restarting  
>>> my Mac, no difference. I have just tried it on my wifes Vista  
>>> laptop and it is just as bad.
>>>
>>> Is this a network thing?
>>>
>>> Also, the BBC just released the iPlayer Downloader yesterday but  
>>> as of yet I cannot fathom out how to get content downloaded. Am I  
>>> being stupid.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>



From band1 at mac.com  Fri Dec 19 17:25:49 2008
From: band1 at mac.com (David King)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:25:49 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] iPlayer Blues
In-Reply-To: <B26771DD-9497-469B-BA64-85890D3425D2@durrant.co.uk>
References: <2907F342-C08F-4651-8220-F557974D6223@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<B37BA546-F1EE-494B-BA44-AD94699981EE@durrant.co.uk>
	<472E0380-141A-4CBA-A586-371B02EF41BA@mac.com>
	<B26771DD-9497-469B-BA64-85890D3425D2@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <86B1F644-8681-49AC-ABF3-2F8CDF9B980B@mac.com>

No it doesn't.  You click on programme you want and it downloads.   
Took just a few minutes to download an hour programme/

David


On 19 Dec 2008, at 17:07, Paul Durrant wrote:

> Presumably iPlayer Grabber saves the programme as it streams, which  
> would take 60 minutes for a 60 minutes long programme. iPlayer  
> Desktop should cut that to about 15 minutes or perhaps less, if you  
> have a very fast connection (Hmm.... 50MB from Virgin suddenly  
> sounds attractive).
>
> Also, once downloaded, playback should be very smooth, as there'll  
> be no chance of network glitches.
>
> Paul
>
> On 19 Dec 2008, at 16:59, David King wrote:
>
>> Seems a lot simpler to use iPlayer Grabber which works very well  
>> and downloads straight from the BBC site.
>>
>> David
>> On 19 Dec 2008, at 16:57, Paul Durrant wrote:
>>
>>> The stopping/starting sounds like network problems.
>>>
>>> I'm just trying out the iPlayer Desktop for Mac myself. Requires  
>>> and Intel Mac. It also needs Adobe AIR.
>>>
>>> Download AIR from
>>> http://get.adobe.com/air/
>>>
>>> Download iPlayer Desktop from
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/install/bbc_iplayer_desktop
>>>
>>> I'm currently waiting for the iPlayer Desktop AIR application to  
>>> download...
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>> On 19 Dec 2008, at 16:17, Simon Royal wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> I am having a bad time with the BBC iPlayer this afternoon.
>>>>
>>>> Earlier today I watched last nights EastEnders no problem.  
>>>> However, I was just trying to watch Lead Balloon and it stopped  
>>>> every twenty seconds (with the spinny thing). I thought it was  
>>>> the program but I tried Never Mind The Buzzcocks and it did the  
>>>> same.
>>>>
>>>> I have tried Firefox and Cruz, no difference. I tried restarting  
>>>> my Mac, no difference. I have just tried it on my wifes Vista  
>>>> laptop and it is just as bad.
>>>>
>>>> Is this a network thing?
>>>>
>>>> Also, the BBC just released the iPlayer Downloader yesterday but  
>>>> as of yet I cannot fathom out how to get content downloaded. Am I  
>>>> being stupid.
>>>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From band1 at mac.com  Fri Dec 19 17:34:57 2008
From: band1 at mac.com (David King)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:34:57 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] iPlayer Blues
In-Reply-To: <86B1F644-8681-49AC-ABF3-2F8CDF9B980B@mac.com>
References: <2907F342-C08F-4651-8220-F557974D6223@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<B37BA546-F1EE-494B-BA44-AD94699981EE@durrant.co.uk>
	<472E0380-141A-4CBA-A586-371B02EF41BA@mac.com>
	<B26771DD-9497-469B-BA64-85890D3425D2@durrant.co.uk>
	<86B1F644-8681-49AC-ABF3-2F8CDF9B980B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <2E0FB117-8503-4B25-975C-FB93026B982D@mac.com>

Just tested iPlayer Grabber and it took just under three minutes to  
download a half hour episode of Eastenders.

David


On 19 Dec 2008, at 17:25, David King wrote:

> No it doesn't.  You click on programme you want and it downloads.   
> Took just a few minutes to download an hour programme/
>
> David
>
>
> On 19 Dec 2008, at 17:07, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
>> Presumably iPlayer Grabber saves the programme as it streams, which  
>> would take 60 minutes for a 60 minutes long programme. iPlayer  
>> Desktop should cut that to about 15 minutes or perhaps less, if you  
>> have a very fast connection (Hmm.... 50MB from Virgin suddenly  
>> sounds attractive).
>>
>> Also, once downloaded, playback should be very smooth, as there'll  
>> be no chance of network glitches.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On 19 Dec 2008, at 16:59, David King wrote:
>>
>>> Seems a lot simpler to use iPlayer Grabber which works very well  
>>> and downloads straight from the BBC site.
>>>
>>> David
>>> On 19 Dec 2008, at 16:57, Paul Durrant wrote:
>>>
>>>> The stopping/starting sounds like network problems.
>>>>
>>>> I'm just trying out the iPlayer Desktop for Mac myself. Requires  
>>>> and Intel Mac. It also needs Adobe AIR.
>>>>
>>>> Download AIR from
>>>> http://get.adobe.com/air/
>>>>
>>>> Download iPlayer Desktop from
>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/install/bbc_iplayer_desktop
>>>>
>>>> I'm currently waiting for the iPlayer Desktop AIR application to  
>>>> download...
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 19 Dec 2008, at 16:17, Simon Royal wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> I am having a bad time with the BBC iPlayer this afternoon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Earlier today I watched last nights EastEnders no problem.  
>>>>> However, I was just trying to watch Lead Balloon and it stopped  
>>>>> every twenty seconds (with the spinny thing). I thought it was  
>>>>> the program but I tried Never Mind The Buzzcocks and it did the  
>>>>> same.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have tried Firefox and Cruz, no difference. I tried restarting  
>>>>> my Mac, no difference. I have just tried it on my wifes Vista  
>>>>> laptop and it is just as bad.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this a network thing?
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, the BBC just released the iPlayer Downloader yesterday but  
>>>>> as of yet I cannot fathom out how to get content downloaded. Am  
>>>>> I being stupid.
>>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Fri Dec 19 17:40:07 2008
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:40:07 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] iPlayer Blues
In-Reply-To: <2E0FB117-8503-4B25-975C-FB93026B982D@mac.com>
References: <2907F342-C08F-4651-8220-F557974D6223@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<B37BA546-F1EE-494B-BA44-AD94699981EE@durrant.co.uk>
	<472E0380-141A-4CBA-A586-371B02EF41BA@mac.com>
	<B26771DD-9497-469B-BA64-85890D3425D2@durrant.co.uk>
	<86B1F644-8681-49AC-ABF3-2F8CDF9B980B@mac.com>
	<2E0FB117-8503-4B25-975C-FB93026B982D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <343DA8DB-2B40-4040-85C3-970FD25ED55D@virgin.net>


On Dec 19, 2008, at 17:34, David King wrote:

> Just tested iPlayer Grabber and it took just under three minutes to  
> download a half hour episode of Eastenders.

The new iPlayer is about to finish d/l Top Gear and then I will  
compare that with this Grabber. I did not know of Grabber so thank you  
for that.

Top Gear took 15 minutes but we are on the edge of a village. now to  
test grabber.

Paul C



From phil.charnley at ntlworld.com  Fri Dec 19 17:55:17 2008
From: phil.charnley at ntlworld.com (Phil Charnley)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 17:55:17 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Toast
In-Reply-To: <EC766E47-2630-4C9A-A5FC-9D51352B6CBD@dsol.co.uk>
References: <A5DA2C74-3D59-4008-94C0-72F96E00CF43@ntlworld.com>
	<EC766E47-2630-4C9A-A5FC-9D51352B6CBD@dsol.co.uk>
Message-ID: <E84BAC3B-747F-43BB-98B9-EBA231477A3C@ntlworld.com>

Thanks to everyone for their help with this. I have been out of  
service for a few days but will put ideas into action shortly and  
report back.
Phil


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Fri Dec 19 22:18:38 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:18:38 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] iPlayer Blues
In-Reply-To: <2E0FB117-8503-4B25-975C-FB93026B982D@mac.com>
References: <2907F342-C08F-4651-8220-F557974D6223@simonroyal.co.uk>
	<B37BA546-F1EE-494B-BA44-AD94699981EE@durrant.co.uk>
	<472E0380-141A-4CBA-A586-371B02EF41BA@mac.com>
	<B26771DD-9497-469B-BA64-85890D3425D2@durrant.co.uk>
	<86B1F644-8681-49AC-ABF3-2F8CDF9B980B@mac.com>
	<2E0FB117-8503-4B25-975C-FB93026B982D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <FDF064EB-C1CE-482E-A382-62F24D73F7CB@durrant.co.uk>

OK, I've just downloaded and tried it out. It does seem brilliant. It  
even downloads radio programmes as MP3s, as well as TV programs as  
Quicktime Movies.

Many thanks for telling us about this really neat program.

Paul


On 19 Dec 2008, at 17:34, David King wrote:

> Just tested iPlayer Grabber and it took just under three minutes to  
> download a half hour episode of Eastenders.
>
> David
>
>
> On 19 Dec 2008, at 17:25, David King wrote:
>
>> No it doesn't.  You click on programme you want and it downloads.   
>> Took just a few minutes to download an hour programme/
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>> On 19 Dec 2008, at 17:07, Paul Durrant wrote:
>>
>>> Presumably iPlayer Grabber saves the programme as it streams,  
>>> which would take 60 minutes for a 60 minutes long programme.  
>>> iPlayer Desktop should cut that to about 15 minutes or perhaps  
>>> less, if you have a very fast connection (Hmm.... 50MB from Virgin  
>>> suddenly sounds attractive).
>>>
>>> Also, once downloaded, playback should be very smooth, as there'll  
>>> be no chance of network glitches.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> On 19 Dec 2008, at 16:59, David King wrote:
>>>
>>>> Seems a lot simpler to use iPlayer Grabber which works very well  
>>>> and downloads straight from the BBC site.
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>> On 19 Dec 2008, at 16:57, Paul Durrant wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The stopping/starting sounds like network problems.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm just trying out the iPlayer Desktop for Mac myself. Requires  
>>>>> and Intel Mac. It also needs Adobe AIR.
>>>>>
>>>>> Download AIR from
>>>>> http://get.adobe.com/air/
>>>>>
>>>>> Download iPlayer Desktop from
>>>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/install/bbc_iplayer_desktop
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm currently waiting for the iPlayer Desktop AIR application to  
>>>>> download...
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 19 Dec 2008, at 16:17, Simon Royal wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am having a bad time with the BBC iPlayer this afternoon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Earlier today I watched last nights EastEnders no problem.  
>>>>>> However, I was just trying to watch Lead Balloon and it stopped  
>>>>>> every twenty seconds (with the spinny thing). I thought it was  
>>>>>> the program but I tried Never Mind The Buzzcocks and it did the  
>>>>>> same.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have tried Firefox and Cruz, no difference. I tried  
>>>>>> restarting my Mac, no difference. I have just tried it on my  
>>>>>> wifes Vista laptop and it is just as bad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this a network thing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, the BBC just released the iPlayer Downloader yesterday  
>>>>>> but as of yet I cannot fathom out how to get content  
>>>>>> downloaded. Am I being stupid.
>>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NMUG mailing list
>>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat Dec 20 11:27:15 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:27:15 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] 1GB/2GB RAM
Message-ID: <Z2xSCGWwLnhD.RwQyGXw5@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

My wifes laptop is annoyingly sluggish under Vista with 1GB RAM.

My mum has a 1.8Ghz Toshiba with 2GB RAM and it flies under Vista, so the problem with my wifes 2Ghz must be RAM.

It takes either 667mhz or 800mhz DDR2 200pin sticks. The same as Intel Macs (except the Mac Pro).

A bit annoyed at a brand new machine being so sluggish but then even Apple supply you with the baseline amount of RAM.

I am looking for a 1GB or 2GB stick and wondered if anyone on the group had any they would like to 'donate' to a worthy cause or sell cheaply as I know a lot of you upgrade to larger memory.

I am in Norwich over the weekend so could collect.

Hope someone can help.

Simon

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From mail at edmarlodge.co.uk  Sat Dec 20 19:59:34 2008
From: mail at edmarlodge.co.uk (Raymond Paine)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:59:34 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] 10.5.6 update
Message-ID: <19ABFDDB-EFA7-4940-A177-D7BCB3C7CF63@edmarlodge.co.uk>




> If you only used Software Update, Could I recommend going
> to the Apple site and downloading the 10.5.6 Combo updater. It's not
> small to say the least - 668 MB - but running an update from the
> Combo can often clear up any hidden problems that may have arisen
> over time.

Ray
>




From rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com  Sun Dec 21 11:53:06 2008
From: rm at ruthmurray.f2s.com (Ruth Murray)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 11:53:06 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] macbook parts needed
Message-ID: <67DB10AE-40D2-4180-899E-20B241E7F0E2@ruthmurray.f2s.com>

HI

I am looking to increase the RAM (currently 1GB) and Hard Disc size  
(currently 80GB) of my white 13" macbook (2gh 2 cor intel)

It takes  2X    200 pin PC2-5300 DDR2 SO-DIMM  RAM  so I would need   
2X  1gb chips.

Anyone out there got the bits to oblige?

Ruth



From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Sun Dec 21 16:44:37 2008
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:44:37 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Connecting Remote Mac
Message-ID: <AA62D120-907C-4EB3-BB02-68086CD679FB@gmail.com>

I want to connect to my home Mac from a remote Mac and be able to do  
the equivalent of ScreenSharing as between 2 Macs on an internal  
network,

I've been very surprised to find this straightforward requirement  
isn't met by a classic Mac-like solution. I don't want to use command  
line interfaces or complex tunneling solutions, I just want to be able  
to call up my home Mac's IP address and connect (with suitable  
password of course)

Is there a clean and easy solution?


From mrmaskell at googlemail.com  Mon Dec 22 13:37:32 2008
From: mrmaskell at googlemail.com (mrmaskell at googlemail.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:37:32 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] mac sharing
Message-ID: <njw8WT0JB4dk.TM45n6GQ@smtp.gmail.com>

Hi, i find that logmein is a great utility for mac screen sharing.. It also works cross platform and uses encryption and passwords so is completely safe... The free version is good.. And if you upgrade you get sound and direct drag and drop. .. It works using a normal web browser from anywhere on the planet and will adjust itself for best performance... You just install the logmein server on the computer you wish to access.. Your logmein account will have a password plus you will also be required to put you macs password when logging in to be able to control the mac.. Www.logmein.com is where it can be found...      Thanks david maskell from his n95 8gb



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Dec 22 21:28:14 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:28:14 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Awesome Mac vs PC Video
Message-ID: <28BEADC7-26AC-4812-9F43-DF1045ADC682@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I thought this was a fantastic Mac vs PC video in terminator-style.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uLbJ8YPHwXM

Actually it is a very good robotic animation.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
--- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5



From steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk  Tue Dec 23 00:08:22 2008
From: steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk (Steven Jefferson)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 00:08:22 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] iPlayer issues
Message-ID: <FDD5B502-BA2B-4E06-86FA-574262BD5BB0@zen.co.uk>

Have downloaded both AIR, the iPlayer beta and iPlayer Grabber. I  
cannot seem to get it to d/l - just stalls - any ideas?

Steven Jefferson
steve.jefferson at zen.co.uk





From drivers52 at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 23 14:04:24 2008
From: drivers52 at hotmail.com (richard ivers)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:04:24 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Update 10.5.6
Message-ID: <COL109-W99428C25280136E9DF3DCA5EC0@phx.gbl>


The solution to my 10.5.6 update installation problem was a standalone installer from the Apple support site. My thanks to David Viner and Ray PaineRegardsRichard Ivers
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From stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com  Tue Dec 23 15:14:14 2008
From: stefanyoungs1945 at googlemail.com (stefan youngs)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:14:14 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Re: MacSharing
In-Reply-To: <20081223120004.A16FB7ED8B7@mail.durrant.co.uk>
References: <20081223120004.A16FB7ED8B7@mail.durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8214F017-31CE-4EFA-BE21-2583E04E58DD@gmail.com>

>
> From: mrmaskell at googlemail.com
> Subject: [NMUG] mac sharing
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
>
>
> Hi, i find that logmein is a great utility for mac screen sharing..  
> It also works cross platform and uses encryption and passwords so is  
> completely safe... The free version is good.. And if you upgrade you  
> get sound and direct drag and drop. .. It works using a normal web  
> browser from anywhere on the planet and will adjust itself for best  
> performance... You just install the logmein server on the computer  
> you wish to access.. Your logmein account will have a password plus  
> you will also be required to put you macs password when logging in  
> to be able to control the mac.. Www.logmein.com is where it can be  
> found...      Thanks david maskell from his n95 8gb

Thanks for this excellent suggestion. I've set it up and will try it  
out once I get to the USA. Be interesting to see how responsive the  
remote Mac is.





From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Dec 23 18:15:22 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:15:22 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Wireless Gone
Message-ID: <VRJVmxQJR21q.GCSfxrJC@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

I just rebooted my Tiscali router and now my PowerBook won't see the network, wont even show up and manually connecting gives a time out.

All the others computers and my phone are fine. I have tried rebooting it and removing the wireless card but nothing makes any difference.

When everyone else has finished I will reboot the router again, but I'd like to know what has happened.

Everything was working and has been for weeks fine. All the other machines didnt have a problem and all rejoined straight away automatically.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71)



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Dec 23 18:20:09 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:20:09 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] eMac Buzzing
Message-ID: <Mw4WCzfFLX3v.C7DcRJQb@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi.

One of my boys eMacs has a vibrating sound from the right hand speaker at high volumes.

Only at high volume and only that side. Is it the speaker or something loose inside?

Simon

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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Wed Dec 24 11:46:55 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 11:46:55 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Non YouTube Downloader
Message-ID: <FF0DF400-DF99-40FB-B2F6-A02F0BAEBAAC@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I have been using KeepVid and KissYouTube to download videos from  
YouTube and it works fine.

However, I want to pull some videos from the CBeebies site and I can't  
find anything to do it with, any ideas?

Either a website or a piece of software.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
--- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5



From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net  Wed Dec 24 15:29:31 2008
From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 15:29:31 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Re: NMUG Digest, Vol 59, Issue 32
In-Reply-To: <20081224120003.4E2797EE030@mail.durrant.co.uk>
References: <20081224120003.4E2797EE030@mail.durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <2D14E4B1-A95A-4410-A3F7-3F4651A25D4C@virgin.net>

re emac buzzing:
try swapping speakers or their connections left to right. If buzzing  
still occurs suspect speaker faulty or it's connections.  If possible  
try speaker on another device.

Ken Arnoldi


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> Subject: [NMUG] Re: MacSharing
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> Message-ID: <8214F017-31CE-4EFA-BE21-2583E04E58DD at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
>>
>> From: mrmaskell at googlemail.com
>> Subject: [NMUG] mac sharing
>> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
>>
>>
>> Hi, i find that logmein is a great utility for mac screen sharing..
>> It also works cross platform and uses encryption and passwords so is
>> completely safe... The free version is good.. And if you upgrade you
>> get sound and direct drag and drop. .. It works using a normal web
>> browser from anywhere on the planet and will adjust itself for best
>> performance... You just install the logmein server on the computer
>> you wish to access.. Your logmein account will have a password plus
>> you will also be required to put you macs password when logging in
>> to be able to control the mac.. Www.logmein.com is where it can be
>> found...      Thanks david maskell from his n95 8gb
>
> Thanks for this excellent suggestion. I've set it up and will try it
> out once I get to the USA. Be interesting to see how responsive the
> remote Mac is.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:15:22 +0000
> From: "Simon Royal" <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Subject: [NMUG] Wireless Gone
> To: NMUG <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Message-ID: <VRJVmxQJR21q.GCSfxrJC at mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Hi.
>
> I just rebooted my Tiscali router and now my PowerBook won't see the  
> network, wont even show up and manually connecting gives a time out.
>
> All the others computers and my phone are fine. I have tried  
> rebooting it and removing the wireless card but nothing makes any  
> difference.
>
> When everyone else has finished I will reboot the router again, but  
> I'd like to know what has happened.
>
> Everything was working and has been for weeks fine. All the other  
> machines didnt have a problem and all rejoined straight away  
> automatically.
>
> Simon
>
> --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent  
> using Nokia E71)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:20:09 +0000
> From: "Simon Royal" <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Subject: [NMUG] eMac Buzzing
> To: NMUG <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Message-ID: <Mw4WCzfFLX3v.C7DcRJQb at mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Hi.
>
> One of my boys eMacs has a vibrating sound from the right hand  
> speaker at high volumes.
>
> Only at high volume and only that side. Is it the speaker or  
> something loose inside?
>
> Simon
>
> --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent  
> using Nokia E71)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 11:46:55 +0000
> From: Simon Royal <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Subject: [NMUG] Non YouTube Downloader
> To: nmug at durrant.co.uk
> Message-ID: <FF0DF400-DF99-40FB-B2F6-A02F0BAEBAAC at simonroyal.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> Hi
>
> I have been using KeepVid and KissYouTube to download videos from
> YouTube and it works fine.
>
> However, I want to pull some videos from the CBeebies site and I can't
> find anything to do it with, any ideas?
>
> Either a website or a piece of software.
>
> Simon
>
> --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
> --- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5
>
>
>
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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Wed Dec 24 17:25:48 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:25:48 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] No Meeting Tonight
Message-ID: <882C3F46-A1ED-4256-9448-E08657B35A67@durrant.co.uk>

Just in case - a reminder that although this is the fourth Wednesday  
in December, there is NO meeting tonight.

See you on January 28th!

Merry Christmas,

Paul


From email.news at mac.com  Thu Dec 25 22:02:57 2008
From: email.news at mac.com (Andrew B)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 22:02:57 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] iPod Recovery Software
Message-ID: <693F06A7-2EF6-4EF3-8A64-F8B3E23C0053@mac.com>

Some time ago there was a mention about a piece of software that  
allowed you to recover music from an iPod.  Can anyone remember the  
name?

Regards,

AndrewB


From penguin.999 at virgin.net  Thu Dec 25 22:47:07 2008
From: penguin.999 at virgin.net (Paul Chapman)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 22:47:07 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] iPod Recovery Software
In-Reply-To: <693F06A7-2EF6-4EF3-8A64-F8B3E23C0053@mac.com>
References: <693F06A7-2EF6-4EF3-8A64-F8B3E23C0053@mac.com>
Message-ID: <32286570-A79B-45FC-AF64-DDBAEDE14383@virgin.net>


On Dec 25, 2008, at 22:02, Andrew B wrote:

> Some time ago there was a mention about a piece of software that  
> allowed you to recover music from an iPod.  Can anyone remember the  
> name?

If you mean being able to take the music off an iPod to any other  
computer then Senuti (iTunes backwards). You can get it at  
VersionTracker.

Paul C



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Fri Dec 26 09:05:48 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 09:05:48 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Free Music/iPod Nano competition from The Guardian
Message-ID: <E429BB5A-45E9-43D5-9A16-7B2E530A47A9@durrant.co.uk>

Go here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/12-days-of-christmas and then  
click the link in the bottom right of the page that's says "Free video  
download of That's not my name by the Ting Tings"

On the next page, enter your details and click on the Submit button.

On the next page click on the "Click here to get your free download of  
the video for the Ting Tings' That's not my name". This will launch  
iTunes, and take it to the right page in the store.

In iTunes, on the Ting Tings' page, click on the "Add Video" link, and  
then go to your shopping cart in iTunes and download the video.


There's one tune/video a day starting today for the next 12 days.

Paul


From phil.charnley at ntlworld.com  Fri Dec 26 12:00:07 2008
From: phil.charnley at ntlworld.com (Phil Charnley)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:00:07 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Toast
In-Reply-To: <EC766E47-2630-4C9A-A5FC-9D51352B6CBD@dsol.co.uk>
References: <A5DA2C74-3D59-4008-94C0-72F96E00CF43@ntlworld.com>
	<EC766E47-2630-4C9A-A5FC-9D51352B6CBD@dsol.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C7ED1B93-2297-4505-A554-92790693B8B7@ntlworld.com>

Thanks for all the suggestions. Sadly none of them worked but I was  
able to bottom this out through the roxio forums where it seems it is  
a common problem. It involved deleting a DivX component from the  
Quicktime library and now Toast is happily burning again.

If anyone else experiences similar problems let me know and I will  
give you more details.

Thanks again

Phil


On 16 Dec 2008, at 16:28:26, Allan wrote:

>
> On 16 Dec 2008, at 14:54, Phil Charnley wrote:
>
>> I read with interest the difficulties being experienced by others  
>> with burning DVDs. I have a problem too in that Toast will not open  
>> and I get the alert, "The application Toast Titanium quit  
>> unexpectedly" whenever I try to open it. This has been going on for  
>> weeks and I have even "app zapped" it and re-installed but it makes  
>> no difference.
>>
>> I have several gigs worth of footage waiting to be toast-ed and it  
>> is clogging up my HD.
>>
>> I had been using toast for about a year prior to this with no  
>> difficulty. I did have to have a new motherboard fitted after the  
>> caps blew on the old one. Would this have made a difference? Apart  
>> from that I cannot think of any significant change that might have  
>> caused the problem.
>>
>> I'm running 10.5.6 on a power PC G5.
>
>
> Did you make sure that Toast's preferences file was deleted? It's  
> called Roxio Toast Preferences in the Home Preferences folder
>
>
> Allan Johns.



From phil.charnley at ntlworld.com  Fri Dec 26 12:39:56 2008
From: phil.charnley at ntlworld.com (Phil Charnley)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:39:56 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Free Music/iPod Nano competition from The Guardian
In-Reply-To: <E429BB5A-45E9-43D5-9A16-7B2E530A47A9@durrant.co.uk>
References: <E429BB5A-45E9-43D5-9A16-7B2E530A47A9@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <9C6CC714-0265-4AC2-8F71-16F36006487B@ntlworld.com>

Looks like this is an iTunes promotion rather than a Guardian one. See http://www.itunes12daysofchristmas.co.uk/
Do it from here and you don't have to register with the Grauniad.

On 26 Dec 2008, at 09:05:48, Paul Durrant wrote:

> Go here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/12-days-of-christmas and  
> then click the link in the bottom right of the page that's says  
> "Free video download of That's not my name by the Ting Tings"
>
> On the next page, enter your details and click on the Submit button.
>
> On the next page click on the "Click here to get your free download  
> of the video for the Ting Tings' That's not my name". This will  
> launch iTunes, and take it to the right page in the store.
>
> In iTunes, on the Ting Tings' page, click on the "Add Video" link,  
> and then go to your shopping cart in iTunes and download the video.
>
>
> There's one tune/video a day starting today for the next 12 days.
>
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> NMUG mailing list
> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sat Dec 27 14:00:49 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: 27 Dec 2008 14:00:49 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Default Copy From Folder
Message-ID: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0812271400490.17834@webm10.global.net.uk>

Hi

I have a folder of photos sitting on my PowerBook. It is my master set of 
photos which are in a DropBox folder for GetDropBox, and when this folder 
is updated it automatically backs up online.

I use a lot of photos out of this and usually copy them to the desktop 
before editing them. As they are sitting on the same drive as my desktop by 
default it moves them. I know you can hold down ALT and it will copy but is 
there anyway of setting this as a default for this folder.

I want it to copy out of this folder instead of move without having to hold 
down ALT all the time.

Is this possible? If so how?

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk - Mac news, reviews, guides, upgrades, 
hacks and more... - http://www.nmug.org.uk - webmaster for Norwich Mac User 
Group - The box said requires Windows XP or better, so I bought an Apple 
Mac.




From ken.arnoldi at virgin.net  Sat Dec 27 14:27:32 2008
From: ken.arnoldi at virgin.net (Ken Arnoldi)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:27:32 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Re: NMUG Digest, Vol 59, Issue 35
In-Reply-To: <20081227120004.816B17EF6E6@mail.durrant.co.uk>
References: <20081227120004.816B17EF6E6@mail.durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20D9C52D-B868-48F8-9757-F8BC3ED1E0AF@virgin.net>

Re Toast problems

Could it be that Toast doesn't like OS10.5? I only have 10.4 and it  
runs ok.

Ken Arnoldi

On 27 Dec 2008, at 12:00 PM, nmug-request at durrant.co.uk wrote:

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>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:00:07 +0000
> From: Phil Charnley <phil.charnley at ntlworld.com>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Toast
> To: NMUG at durrant.co.uk
> Message-ID: <C7ED1B93-2297-4505-A554-92790693B8B7 at ntlworld.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> Thanks for all the suggestions. Sadly none of them worked but I was
> able to bottom this out through the roxio forums where it seems it is
> a common problem. It involved deleting a DivX component from the
> Quicktime library and now Toast is happily burning again.
>
> If anyone else experiences similar problems let me know and I will
> give you more details.
>
> Thanks again
>
> Phil
>
>
> On 16 Dec 2008, at 16:28:26, Allan wrote:
>
>>
>> On 16 Dec 2008, at 14:54, Phil Charnley wrote:
>>
>>> I read with interest the difficulties being experienced by others
>>> with burning DVDs. I have a problem too in that Toast will not open
>>> and I get the alert, "The application Toast Titanium quit
>>> unexpectedly" whenever I try to open it. This has been going on for
>>> weeks and I have even "app zapped" it and re-installed but it makes
>>> no difference.
>>>
>>> I have several gigs worth of footage waiting to be toast-ed and it
>>> is clogging up my HD.
>>>
>>> I had been using toast for about a year prior to this with no
>>> difficulty. I did have to have a new motherboard fitted after the
>>> caps blew on the old one. Would this have made a difference? Apart
>>> from that I cannot think of any significant change that might have
>>> caused the problem.
>>>
>>> I'm running 10.5.6 on a power PC G5.
>>
>>
>> Did you make sure that Toast's preferences file was deleted? It's
>> called Roxio Toast Preferences in the Home Preferences folder
>>
>>
>> Allan Johns.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 12:39:56 +0000
> From: Phil Charnley <phil.charnley at ntlworld.com>
> Subject: Re: [NMUG] Free Music/iPod Nano competition from The Guardian
> To: Norwich Mac User Group list <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
> Message-ID: <9C6CC714-0265-4AC2-8F71-16F36006487B at ntlworld.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> Looks like this is an iTunes promotion rather than a Guardian one.  
> See http://www.itunes12daysofchristmas.co.uk/
> Do it from here and you don't have to register with the Grauniad.
>
> On 26 Dec 2008, at 09:05:48, Paul Durrant wrote:
>
>> Go here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/12-days-of-christmas and
>> then click the link in the bottom right of the page that's says
>> "Free video download of That's not my name by the Ting Tings"
>>
>> On the next page, enter your details and click on the Submit button.
>>
>> On the next page click on the "Click here to get your free download
>> of the video for the Ting Tings' That's not my name". This will
>> launch iTunes, and take it to the right page in the store.
>>
>> In iTunes, on the Ting Tings' page, click on the "Add Video" link,
>> and then go to your shopping cart in iTunes and download the video.
>>
>>
>> There's one tune/video a day starting today for the next 12 days.
>>
>> Paul
>> _______________________________________________
>> NMUG mailing list
>> NMUG at durrant.co.uk
>> http://server.durrant.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/nmug
>
>
>
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From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sat Dec 27 17:39:44 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 17:39:44 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Default Copy From Folder
In-Reply-To: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0812271400490.17834@webm10.global.net.uk>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0812271400490.17834@webm10.global.net.uk>
Message-ID: <BA028D51-83F4-4B2B-86D3-88C847D9E565@durrant.co.uk>

If you lock the files in that folder, they will not move out of the  
folder when dragged, but will copy instead.

Paul

On 27 Dec 2008, at 14:00, Simon Royal wrote:

> Hi
>
> I have a folder of photos sitting on my PowerBook. It is my master  
> set of photos which are in a DropBox folder for GetDropBox, and when  
> this folder is updated it automatically backs up online.
>
> I use a lot of photos out of this and usually copy them to the  
> desktop before editing them. As they are sitting on the same drive  
> as my desktop by default it moves them. I know you can hold down ALT  
> and it will copy but is there anyway of setting this as a default  
> for this folder.
>
> I want it to copy out of this folder instead of move without having  
> to hold down ALT all the time.
>
> Is this possible? If so how?



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sun Dec 28 09:50:29 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 09:50:29 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Default Copy From Folder
In-Reply-To: <8512C231-9D3E-4333-A5EB-FFDECB5BB310@afco.demon.co.uk>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0812271400490.17834@webm10.global.net.uk>
	<BA028D51-83F4-4B2B-86D3-88C847D9E565@durrant.co.uk>
	<8512C231-9D3E-4333-A5EB-FFDECB5BB310@afco.demon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5ACCB73C-1771-42EA-9E03-8E62C7526031@durrant.co.uk>

I think Alan meant this for the list. I'll add that if the folder is  
locked it won't be simple to add files to the folder.

Paul

On 28 Dec 2008, at 09:15, Alan Fry wrote:
> I think locking the folder has the same effect. It might be easier  
> than locking a multiplicity of individual files.
>
> On 27 Dec 2008, at 17:39, Paul Durrant wrote:
>> If you lock the files in that folder, they will not move out of the  
>> folder when dragged, but will copy instead.
>>
>
>> On 27 Dec 2008, at 14:00, Simon Royal wrote:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I have a folder of photos sitting on my PowerBook. It is my master  
>>> set of photos which are in a DropBox folder for GetDropBox, and  
>>> when this folder is updated it automatically backs up online.
>>>
>>> I use a lot of photos out of this and usually copy them to the  
>>> desktop before editing them. As they are sitting on the same drive  
>>> as my desktop by default it moves them. I know you can hold down  
>>> ALT and it will copy but is there anyway of setting this as a  
>>> default for this folder.
>>>
>>> I want it to copy out of this folder instead of move without  
>>> having to hold down ALT all the time.
>>>
>>> Is this possible? If so how?



From kelvinyoungs at mac.com  Sun Dec 28 10:01:22 2008
From: kelvinyoungs at mac.com (Kelvin Youngs)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:01:22 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] My iMac
Message-ID: <0EEA0CE3-B17D-4EAE-B3E8-2CB377EF3B84@mac.com>

I have been having a few problems lately when it simply freezes for no  
reason at all then it started to simply shut down. Did repair disc  
perm and now when I switch it on the announce sound comes on ? get the  
apple sign on the normal grey background ? swirling round line as it  
starts up ? then it switches off?
It is an intel 17" imac - 2 years old?
Any ideas folks?
Off to work now - on a late so unable to check replies till 11 tonight.
Has my imac hard disc packed up?

Kelvin
Vah! Denuone Latine loquebar? Me ineptum. Interdum modo elabitur.
Oh! Was I speaking Latin again? Silly me. Sometimes it just sort of  
slips out.



From paul at durrant.co.uk  Sun Dec 28 10:33:53 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 10:33:53 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] My iMac
In-Reply-To: <0EEA0CE3-B17D-4EAE-B3E8-2CB377EF3B84@mac.com>
References: <0EEA0CE3-B17D-4EAE-B3E8-2CB377EF3B84@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B51868D1-6462-433F-A7C7-3964706B805F@durrant.co.uk>

It doesn't sound like a hard disk problem to me, but some other kind  
of hardware fault. As a wild guess, perhaps the power supply?

Paul

On 28 Dec 2008, at 10:01, Kelvin Youngs wrote:

> I have been having a few problems lately when it simply freezes for  
> no reason at all then it started to simply shut down. Did repair  
> disc perm and now when I switch it on the announce sound comes on ?  
> get the apple sign on the normal grey background ? swirling round  
> line as it starts up ? then it switches off?
> It is an intel 17" imac - 2 years old?
> Any ideas folks?
> Off to work now - on a late so unable to check replies till 11  
> tonight.
> Has my imac hard disc packed up?



From sc at davidviner.com  Sun Dec 28 11:31:17 2008
From: sc at davidviner.com (David Viner)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 11:31:17 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] My iMac
In-Reply-To: <0EEA0CE3-B17D-4EAE-B3E8-2CB377EF3B84@mac.com>
References: <0EEA0CE3-B17D-4EAE-B3E8-2CB377EF3B84@mac.com>
Message-ID: <49576385.8020600@davidviner.com>

Kelvin
> I have been having a few problems lately when it simply freezes for no 
> reason at all then it started to simply shut down. Did repair disc 
> perm and now when I switch it on the announce sound comes on ? get the 
> apple sign on the normal grey background ? swirling round line as it 
> starts up ? then it switches off?
> It is an intel 17" imac - 2 years old?
> Any ideas folks?
> Off to work now - on a late so unable to check replies till 11 tonight.
> Has my imac hard disc packed up?
Try one of these - the first sounds most like your problem:

http://www.macfixitforums.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/458169/Re_iMac_won_t_start
http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1411
http://creativetechs.com/tipsblog/my-mac-wont-start-a-tiny-guide/

Hope that helps!

David



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Dec 28 12:50:34 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:50:34 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] My iMac
Message-ID: <nxx4cNVdxljs.Nwbl4JnK@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Kelvin.

Bin it. Sounds similar to what happened to mine.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk (sent using Nokia E71)

-original message-
Subject: [NMUG] My iMac
From: Kelvin Youngs <kelvinyoungs at mac.com>
Date: 28/12/2008 10:01

I have been having a few problems lately when it simply freezes for no  
reason at all then it started to simply shut down. Did repair disc  
perm and now when I switch it on the announce sound comes on ? get the  
apple sign on the normal grey background ? swirling round line as it  
starts up ? then it switches off?
It is an intel 17" imac - 2 years old?
Any ideas folks?
Off to work now - on a late so unable to check replies till 11 tonight.
Has my imac hard disc packed up?

Kelvin
Vah! Denuone Latine loquebar? Me ineptum. Interdum modo elabitur.
Oh! Was I speaking Latin again? Silly me. Sometimes it just sort of  
slips out.

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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Dec 28 19:35:08 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 19:35:08 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Pictures To Windows User
Message-ID: <552955B8-74FF-4066-BD7B-239A24B06550@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I haven't managed to set up file sharing from Leopard to Vista yet, so  
the only way to get photos from our photo collection which are sitting  
on my PowerBook to my wife is to email them. But even that is causing  
problems.

I'm sure this has been brought up on the group before, but I cannot  
remember the outcome.

I am using Leopard and Mail on my PowerBook and she is using Vista and  
Thunderbird on her laptop. When I email pictures to her some of them  
get corrupted and do not appear properly in the email. I ticked the  
little tick box which says 'send Windows friendly attachments' but  
this has made no difference.

Any ideas on how to resolve this. I haven't had reports from other  
people about it, but then I don't email pictures to that many people.

Simon

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
--- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5



From mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk  Sun Dec 28 19:55:26 2008
From: mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk (Michael Woodhouse)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 19:55:26 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] IPhoto
Message-ID: <3E2415F3-50EC-4133-9C70-6D2BDF922701@freeflightsupplies.co.uk>

Guys

I have been using IPhoto with no problem however I have just  
encountered an issue.

I wanted to create a slide show with my own sound track. I imported  
the music I want into ITunes. I can see its there, it plays OK, and  
click onto to OK. However the slide show will not pick it up saying  
that there is nothing there.

Any thoughts please? I'm operating 10.5.6 with all the updates in place.

Thanks.

Michael Woodhouse
mike at freeflightsupplies.co.uk
http://www.freeflightsupplies.co.uk/






From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Sun Dec 28 20:42:06 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:42:06 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] To iPhone Or Not...
Message-ID: <F69AADA2-0B58-47EF-BFCA-A2E007D9F7AA@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

I am still toying with the idea of getting an iPhone or not. I'm in no  
rush my current contract doesn't run out for a few months yet.

I currently have a Nokia E71 which runs Symbian S60 3rd Edition. I  
have been using a Symbian handset for a while and like the comfort of  
it, but using the 3 network in our area is terrible so I will be  
switching carriers too so looking at the iPhone once again.

The one thing that is putting me off about the iPhone is it's  
limitations - put upon by Apple, but I wanted people to clear a few  
things up.

1. How slow is browsing on 3G and 2G? I use a WebKit based browser on  
my E71 and it is pretty nippy on HSDPA 3G network.
2. Does the iPhone have automatic network selection or access point  
groups? I.E. wifi, if no wifi then 3G, if no 3G then 2G or does it ask  
you which access point you want to use?
3. Does it really not support MMS or bluetoothing files?
4. How well does the mail client handle emails on the move?\
5. Does it require a USB 2 port or will it work on a USB 1.1 (just  
slower)?
6. What are the minimum specs needed? I can see on the O2 website that  
it needs USB2, 10.4 and Quicktime 7.7, but nothing else is mentioned.
7. How well does the menuing work? Does it lag?
8. Does it multi-task well?
9. What's the battery life like under heavy wifi and email use?
10. Does it have a GPS receiver or even A-GPS?
11. Does it really not do video recording?
12. Can it handle Office documents? My E71 has QuickOffice for  
creating, editing and saving Word and Excel documents.
13. Does it work with DRM free MP3s?
14. Can I use MP3s as ringtones?
15. Can you customise the message tones?
16. Can you set different message tones for different types of  
messages? I.E text, email etc...
17. Does it handle MP4 video files?

Sorry for the bombardment of questions, but as a heavy user of my  
Nokia E71 while on the move. I need a handset that is going to keep up  
and do what I need it to do.

It must have wifi, 3G and bluetooth. It must handle web pages and  
emails fairly well. It needs a qwerty keyboard of some sort. It has to  
have a camera. It needs an unlimited data bundle for non-wifi areas.  
It needs good signal strength.

I was looking at the ?35 tariff, which seems pretty good for inclusive  
minutes and texts. Hopefully by the time I get round to getting one  
the handset cost will have dropped or even the tariffs might be cheaper.

On a side note I was thinking about getting a non-3G one and use it on  
a different network other than O2.

Any help would be appreciative.

--- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
--- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5



From ajf at afco.demon.co.uk  Sun Dec 28 21:45:40 2008
From: ajf at afco.demon.co.uk (Alan Fry)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:45:40 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Default Copy From Folder
In-Reply-To: <5ACCB73C-1771-42EA-9E03-8E62C7526031@durrant.co.uk>
References: <BV.WM.2.0.pv.1.0.18.0812271400490.17834@webm10.global.net.uk>
	<BA028D51-83F4-4B2B-86D3-88C847D9E565@durrant.co.uk>
	<8512C231-9D3E-4333-A5EB-FFDECB5BB310@afco.demon.co.uk>
	<5ACCB73C-1771-42EA-9E03-8E62C7526031@durrant.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1375A3A2-3DDD-4F0C-8108-F9947ED325EF@afco.demon.co.uk>


On 28 Dec 2008, at 09:50, Paul Durrant wrote:

> I think Alan meant this for the list. I'll add that if the folder is  
> locked it won't be simple to add files to the folder.

True: and I suppose would get in the way of the on-line backup amongst  
other things?

A shell script would be a nice way of locking all the files in the  
'Drop Box' folder in one hit:-

#!/bin/bash
cd ~/Public/Drop\ Box/
for file in "*"; do
chflags uchg $file
done

Put this (suitably named) in ~/Library/Scripts/ and you can do the job  
merely by a single click in the MenuBar. It does not matter if the  
script is run with old (locked) and new (unlocked) files in the  
folder: it will merely ensure that all the files have the 'locked'  
flag set.

However if the files are locked can you still do the 'automatic online  
backup' ?

A second file with 'uchg' replaced by 'nouchg' would undo the locks on  
all files, again with a single click.

HTH,

Alan

> Paul
>
> On 28 Dec 2008, at 09:15, Alan Fry wrote:
>> I think locking the folder has the same effect. It might be easier  
>> than locking a multiplicity of individual files.
>>
>> On 27 Dec 2008, at 17:39, Paul Durrant wrote:
>>> If you lock the files in that folder, they will not move out of  
>>> the folder when dragged, but will copy instead.
>>>
>>
>>> On 27 Dec 2008, at 14:00, Simon Royal wrote:
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> I have a folder of photos sitting on my PowerBook. It is my  
>>>> master set of photos which are in a DropBox folder for  
>>>> GetDropBox, and when this folder is updated it automatically  
>>>> backs up online.
>>>>
>>>> I use a lot of photos out of this and usually copy them to the  
>>>> desktop before editing them. As they are sitting on the same  
>>>> drive as my desktop by default it moves them. I know you can hold  
>>>> down ALT and it will copy but is there anyway of setting this as  
>>>> a default for this folder.
>>>>
>>>> I want it to copy out of this folder instead of move without  
>>>> having to hold down ALT all the time.
>>>>
>>>> Is this possible? If so how?
>
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From peter.hunter1 at sky.com  Sun Dec 28 22:35:47 2008
From: peter.hunter1 at sky.com (Peter Hunter)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:35:47 -0000
Subject: [NMUG] Pictures To Windows User
References: <552955B8-74FF-4066-BD7B-239A24B06550@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <002001c9693c$a29ca960$0300a8c0@peter225c44749>

Hi Simon,

Why not just use a memory stick?

Peter

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Simon Royal" <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
To: <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 7:35 PM
Subject: [NMUG] Pictures To Windows User


> Hi
> 
> I haven't managed to set up file sharing from Leopard to Vista yet, so  
> the only way to get photos from our photo collection which are sitting  
> on my PowerBook to my wife is to email them. But even that is causing  
> problems.
> 
> I'm sure this has been brought up on the group before, but I cannot  
> remember the outcome.
> 
> I am using Leopard and Mail on my PowerBook and she is using Vista and  
> Thunderbird on her laptop. When I email pictures to her some of them  
> get corrupted and do not appear properly in the email. I ticked the  
> little tick box which says 'send Windows friendly attachments' but  
> this has made no difference.
> 
> Any ideas on how to resolve this. I haven't had reports from other  
> people about it, but then I don't email pictures to that many people.
> 
> Simon
> 
> --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
> --- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5
> 
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From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Mon Dec 29 08:37:28 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 08:37:28 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Pictures To Windows User
Message-ID: <FHpf3CyC2HrM.06QgX8Q5@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>

Peter.

Yes that would be an easy option, but I would like to find out where the problem is.

I don't remember her having this problem when she was using Thunderbird on the Mac.

Simon

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-original message-
Subject: Re: [NMUG] Pictures To Windows User
From: "Peter Hunter" <peter.hunter1 at sky.com>
Date: 28/12/2008 22:35

Hi Simon,

Why not just use a memory stick?

Peter

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Simon Royal" <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
To: <nmug at durrant.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 7:35 PM
Subject: [NMUG] Pictures To Windows User


> Hi
> 
> I haven't managed to set up file sharing from Leopard to Vista yet, so  
> the only way to get photos from our photo collection which are sitting  
> on my PowerBook to my wife is to email them. But even that is causing  
> problems.
> 
> I'm sure this has been brought up on the group before, but I cannot  
> remember the outcome.
> 
> I am using Leopard and Mail on my PowerBook and she is using Vista and  
> Thunderbird on her laptop. When I email pictures to her some of them  
> get corrupted and do not appear properly in the email. I ticked the  
> little tick box which says 'send Windows friendly attachments' but  
> this has made no difference.
> 
> Any ideas on how to resolve this. I haven't had reports from other  
> people about it, but then I don't email pictures to that many people.
> 
> Simon
> 
> --- http://www.simonroyal.co.uk and http://www.nmug.org.uk
> --- sent from my PowerBook G4 867Mhz, 768MB RAM, Mac OSX 10.5
> 
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From munkt0n at gmail.com  Mon Dec 29 09:54:10 2008
From: munkt0n at gmail.com (Scott Matthews)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:54:10 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] To iPhone Or Not...
In-Reply-To: <F69AADA2-0B58-47EF-BFCA-A2E007D9F7AA@simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <F69AADA2-0B58-47EF-BFCA-A2E007D9F7AA@simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ac224bde0812290154x4a366d1by78820a620418a80@mail.gmail.com>

> 1. How slow is browsing on 3G and 2G? I use a WebKit based browser on my E71
> and it is pretty nippy on HSDPA 3G network.

browsing is acceptable, there's a bit of latency when you first
request a page, but that's always been the case with 3G

> 2. Does the iPhone have automatic network selection or access point groups?
> I.E. wifi, if no wifi then 3G, if no 3G then 2G or does it ask you which
> access point you want to use?

it will use wifi, 3G, EDGE, GPRS in that order

> 3. Does it really not support MMS or bluetoothing files?

no MMS, but you can wifi files to it with an app

> 4. How well does the mail client handle emails on the move?\

fine

> 5. Does it require a USB 2 port or will it work on a USB 1.1 (just slower)?

no idea

> 6. What are the minimum specs needed? I can see on the O2 website that it
> needs USB2, 10.4 and Quicktime 7.7, but nothing else is mentioned.

latest version of iTunes is required

> 7. How well does the menuing work? Does it lag?

no, this is isn't one of those shoddy java based OS's!

> 8. Does it multi-task well?

not particularly, you can only run one app at a time, you can start
iPod mode and then go and browse etc.

> 9. What's the battery life like under heavy wifi and email use?

pretty rubbish really, about a day under heavy use, up to a week if
you just use the phone.

> 10. Does it have a GPS receiver or even A-GPS?

iPhone 3G has GPS

> 11. Does it really not do video recording?

nope, but my video camera can't make phone calls, so it all balances
out nicely ;)

> 12. Can it handle Office documents? My E71 has QuickOffice for creating,
> editing and saving Word and Excel documents.

an app named 'filemagnet' will let you view some office docs.

> 13. Does it work with DRM free MP3s?

yes

> 14. Can I use MP3s as ringtones?

no, you have to use .m4r files as ringtones, it's quite easy to
convert mp3s to this format though

> 15. Can you customise the message tones?

yes

> 16. Can you set different message tones for different types of messages? I.E
> text, email etc...

yes

> 17. Does it handle MP4 video files?

yes

> It must have wifi, 3G and bluetooth. It must handle web pages and emails
> fairly well. It needs a qwerty keyboard of some sort. It has to have a
> camera. It needs an unlimited data bundle for non-wifi areas. It needs good
> signal strength.

it does have bluetooth, but only works with bluetooth headsets

-- 
:wq


From paul at durrant.co.uk  Mon Dec 29 10:33:56 2008
From: paul at durrant.co.uk (Paul Durrant)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 10:33:56 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Pictures To Windows User
In-Reply-To: <FHpf3CyC2HrM.06QgX8Q5@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
References: <FHpf3CyC2HrM.06QgX8Q5@mail.simonroyal.co.uk>
Message-ID: <B1A0BEBE-85E8-4E7F-93BD-17F5DA9474CE@durrant.co.uk>

Then the first step is to check what's being received - there should  
be an option somewhere in Thunderbird to view the raw source of the  
message - which may be able to show you whether the problem is with  
the software receiving the message or the software sending it.

Paul

On 29 Dec 2008, at 08:37, Simon Royal wrote:

> I would like to find out where the problem is.
>
> From: "Peter Hunter" <peter.hunter1 at sky.com>
>
> Why not just use a memory stick?
>
> From: "Simon Royal" <mail at simonroyal.co.uk>
>
>> I am using Leopard and Mail on my PowerBook and she is using Vista  
>> and
>> Thunderbird on her laptop. When I email pictures to her some of them
>> get corrupted and do not appear properly in the email. I ticked the
>> little tick box which says 'send Windows friendly attachments' but
>> this has made no difference.
>>
>> Any ideas on how to resolve this. I haven't had reports from other
>> people about it, but then I don't email pictures to that many people.
>>


From alanbarber at mac.com  Tue Dec 30 11:33:53 2008
From: alanbarber at mac.com (Alan Barber)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 11:33:53 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Richer Sounds
Message-ID: <6CAB2F39-16B8-44BB-A5D3-24F50720BFC6@mac.com>

Just to pass on my experience with Richer Sounds.
I have just been refunded my extended 3 years warranty
of ?29.95 because I didn't use it.
True as their word - no hassle.
Can recommend their service and their prices look good as well.

Am expecting it to pack up any day now!!

Regards

Alan
		



From mail at simonroyal.co.uk  Tue Dec 30 17:06:11 2008
From: mail at simonroyal.co.uk (Simon Royal)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:06:11 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Wall E... Mac
Message-ID: <F4D068E0-2AD1-4E7E-99F3-A61616BD0D67@simonroyal.co.uk>

Hi

Finally got round to watching Wall E with the kids and was pleased to  
hear the Mac chime when he is booted.

Simon

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From paulharrowing at waitrose.com  Tue Dec 30 17:46:14 2008
From: paulharrowing at waitrose.com (Paul Harrowing)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:46:14 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] Wall E
Message-ID: <CD3634FD-AC60-4297-B09A-010AAB8B2901@waitrose.com>

I watched it on the way back.
I didn't notice the chime, but then again I wouldn't would I, as it is  
the normal sound of a computer booting.
Any other sound is abnormal.

Feliz a?o nuevo

PAH

From david at vanedwards.co.uk  Wed Dec 31 21:48:07 2008
From: david at vanedwards.co.uk (David Van Edwards)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:48:07 +0000
Subject: [NMUG] [ViolaDaGamba] Fwd: SR ATTENTION ALL MEMEBERS
Message-ID: <p0624080cc5819825ac00@[192.168.1.101]>

Dear All,

I've just had this from a viola-da-gamba list I belong to. I've just 
chosen to opt out and thought others might like to. I'm not 
particularly paranoid but I rather object to the system. The new Brit 
govt proposals along the same lines will probably fail because of 
incompetence but Yahoo are more likely to make it work!

Best wishes,

David

>Violists and associates,
>
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>
>Please note that you can Opt Out of being tracked by Yahoo: directions
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>have.
>
>This is not an internet/email hoax, it is real, verified, and you can
>do something about it. It does not expose you to any more privacy
>invasion to opt out than you have already suffered.
>
>Ray Brohinsky
>Co-moderator, Viola DaGamba list.
>[Message attached]
>Attention Group:
>
>As part of our continuing efforts to serve our list-members we will
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>Yahoo is Tracking Group Members
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>visit, even when you're not connected to Yahoo. Look at their updated
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>
>About half-way down the page, in the section on *cookies*, you will
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>Note that Yahoo's invasion of your privacy - and your ability to opt-
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>
>Please forward this to your other groups. You might complain, too,
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>ago.
>
>Related article:
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>
>Please pass this information to all of your groups...
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